**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 10 02:59:56 2009 Dec 10 03:02:33 jstop doesn't seem to work on my Pre, it displays one pid "999" and nothing else Dec 10 03:04:43 <|Jason8|> kill pid 999 Dec 10 03:05:46 |Jason8|,just did, still says 9999 (correction) Dec 10 03:05:58 <|Jason8|> lol Dec 10 03:07:09 its obviously broken, I should ask the jstop author for my money back. :P Dec 10 03:09:04 where can you cash a check for $0? Dec 10 03:14:50 oil, since you ask that question, I guess you got your money back. Dec 10 03:47:02 so update all REALLY needs to soft fail Dec 10 03:47:34 * zsoc fails hard, personally Dec 10 03:48:02 example: you ahve 50 patches installed.. we have it remove all 50, then try to isntall them again.. if it gets a fail on any of them, it will stop processing there. So if the first one failed to install, then none would install. So you wuld be left in a state of none installed. Dec 10 03:48:48 Because some don't apply successfully, because of small incompatibilities in the port. Like right now, I have a couple in the phone app taht don't apply for the new version. They applied on the emulator, but don't apply gainst the doctor. so if they were installed right now, they would fail. Dec 10 03:52:05 a package should never be in the feed that doesn't install on a stock pre Dec 10 03:52:15 grrr Dec 10 03:52:25 what do you get about "it installed on the sdk" but then I tried it on a stock pre and it failed. Dec 10 03:52:34 I had NO IDEA the emu was diff from the doctor Dec 10 03:52:38 usually they are the same Dec 10 03:52:45 that is how I found out Dec 10 03:52:50 which is why I am trying to fix it now Dec 10 03:52:56 It was just a damn example. Dec 10 03:53:21 obviously patches can fail for other reasons, but testing on a pre should be done before going to the feed Dec 10 03:53:36 anyway, how to handle update all still needs to be hashed out for sure Dec 10 03:53:39 hints why I need my device Dec 10 03:54:13 but again, it was just an example of what would need to be done. Dec 10 03:54:15 for example IF it were switched to remove all first then update all, and the second one fails (say it's now incompatible with first one for instance) then what happens, should it die, should it skip etc... Dec 10 03:54:20 a soft fail because of that issue Dec 10 03:55:10 well heck.. for that matter.. i thinks a fault of AUPT Dec 10 03:55:31 because even doing them manually "remove/install, remove/install" would cvause problems Dec 10 03:58:03 UNLESS.. ALL patches were uninstalled then had their Dummy Placeholder patches installed Dec 10 03:58:07 then they could be updated Dec 10 03:59:25 I do not think it's a fault of AUPT at all Dec 10 03:59:49 I think it is what it is really. Remove all your old patch packages after an OTA update Dec 10 04:00:04 yep Dec 10 04:00:08 you can't do it one by one Dec 10 04:00:20 you can remove one by one if you choose Dec 10 04:00:22 remove one, then reinstall it.. and the next one you try to remove doesn't work Dec 10 04:00:26 you can run EPR if you choose Dec 10 04:00:38 you can't remove/install, remove/install Dec 10 04:00:47 well again the only way around that is to record the webos version they installed on, which I'm NOT against doing Dec 10 04:00:48 which is the easiest way to do with the CURRENT setup in preware Dec 10 04:01:30 and updating all to the -0 patch would work too Dec 10 04:01:35 then let them move on from that point Dec 10 04:01:36 can add a 3rd column to backups and packages that lists webos version Dec 10 04:01:43 and prerm can check that Dec 10 04:02:19 so if we did it that way the current update all would work Dec 10 04:02:47 force updating to -0 and then updating passed -0 makes no sense in preware/ipkgservice scope Dec 10 04:04:10 i guess I need to sleep on this Dec 10 04:04:17 because this is a big set back Dec 10 04:04:30 it's fixed by adding webos version to AUPT Dec 10 04:04:35 and I'm doing that now Dec 10 04:04:40 how? Dec 10 04:05:17 if file x was backed up in webos version different than current installed one then that would be equivalent to md5sum matching in the logic Dec 10 04:05:28 hmmm Dec 10 04:05:32 well no Dec 10 04:05:41 I guess I'd have to log the webos version + md5sum of the file Dec 10 04:06:23 well not necessarily Dec 10 04:06:42 yea because a package/file doesn't HAVE to be touched by an OTA Dec 10 04:06:43 because patch 1 removes, then installs on new os version. changes backup file Dec 10 04:06:48 patch 2 tries to remove.. Dec 10 04:07:26 ?? Dec 10 04:07:44 it would not be able to "remove" because of unreversed patch Dec 10 04:07:58 it would also see the file it is trying to patch is NOT stock Dec 10 04:08:09 that's the CURRENT issue... Dec 10 04:08:14 but it would see the backup file IS stock for the CURRENT version Dec 10 04:08:41 so? Dec 10 04:08:46 i don't know Dec 10 04:09:06 i mean, that's the same situation as if the patch just couldn't remove for some other wierd reason.. manual editing, etc. Dec 10 04:09:16 it would "act" the same way to IPKG Dec 10 04:09:33 right Dec 10 04:09:43 so waht do you do with it? Dec 10 04:09:58 just remove it without verifying the patch really wasn't applied to that file? Dec 10 04:10:04 basically almost blindly? Dec 10 04:10:14 no you don't do anything Dec 10 04:10:38 that's why I think removing all is a requirement after an OTA Dec 10 04:10:53 yes Dec 10 04:10:56 remove all, then install all Dec 10 04:11:02 keeping track of what was installed Dec 10 04:11:28 but soft fail on install all, so you can get "most" back in the event of an error. Dec 10 04:11:35 install all is correct as is Dec 10 04:11:45 it's not a patch specific thing Dec 10 04:11:49 unless the soft fail'd package was a parent dependent Dec 10 04:12:14 or maybe not,i guess it could be fine to do remove all then install all Dec 10 04:12:37 the failing/exiting is an artifact of the current system, so i'm not taking that into account Dec 10 04:12:59 i just wish it would soft fail Dec 10 04:13:18 with "XX packages updated succesfully, X pacakes failed. See List." Dec 10 04:13:28 soft failing as is wouldn't fix anything Dec 10 04:14:10 why not? on install it shouldn't hurt? Dec 10 04:15:04 I would like update all to work as so... remove all, then install all. When an error occurs, popup a screen that gives options to stop now, continue once, continue through all etc.. Dec 10 04:16:18 yes, as a fully functional extravegant way.. But if that's not possible.. a default of "continue through all" would be sufficient. Dec 10 04:16:26 just let the user know what happened. Dec 10 04:16:33 nope Dec 10 04:16:42 the current way puts a patch into an unremovable state Dec 10 04:16:59 and EPR wipe is the only way to remove it Dec 10 04:17:12 so the current way is NOT sufficient Dec 10 04:17:17 even with soft fail Dec 10 04:17:26 I never said stay the current way.. Dec 10 04:17:36 yes, as a fully functional extravegant way.. But if that's not possible.. a default of "continue through all" would be sufficient. Dec 10 04:17:36 I said with the Update all being remove all/add all Dec 10 04:17:53 oh you mean rather than options Dec 10 04:17:57 YES Dec 10 04:18:19 yea I'm fine with that too Dec 10 04:18:30 I know the current way is not going to work Dec 10 04:18:34 I never said it would Dec 10 04:18:44 i said we need to make it do remove all, then add all Dec 10 04:18:48 s/add/install/ Dec 10 04:18:48 dBsooner meant: i said we need to make it do remove all, then install all Dec 10 04:19:00 and either popup, or default to continue through all with log Dec 10 04:45:06 good night Dec 10 04:45:15 night Dec 10 04:51:48 cpcrook: oh my goodness Dec 10 04:52:03 eh? Dec 10 04:52:16 it's you Dec 10 04:52:41 indeed - checking out the irc client in preware Dec 10 04:52:44 haven't seen you around in awhile Dec 10 04:52:47 wIRC is fancy Dec 10 04:53:01 nice work on the precorder app if I'm not mistaken, right? Dec 10 04:53:30 Yeah, it's actually a terrible hack. Dec 10 04:53:47 yeah I've been pretty out of the loop because of work Dec 10 04:53:52 but puff is making an actually gstreamer native C service, so all is well Dec 10 04:54:33 Soon we'll be swimming in video recording.. audio recording.. transcoding... tcp streaming... Dec 10 04:54:36 ahhh.. a guy can dream Dec 10 04:54:42 haha, its better than nothing. filled out palms sdk survey today requesting a bit more low level support. that's awesome with puff. can't wait to see the results. Dec 10 04:54:53 tcp streaming gives me chills. Dec 10 04:55:05 They don't need "native" support, that's what we're for ;) Dec 10 04:56:06 Anyway, it's a million'o'clock. I should be off Dec 10 04:56:26 true true. any other interesting app requests going around that I might be able to help out with? Dec 10 04:56:44 I think I need a good excuse to throw myself into something new Dec 10 04:57:01 pretty late for me too. I'll be back around here more often if possible Dec 10 04:57:03 What is your specialty? :) Dec 10 04:57:37 I'm more of a jack of all trades and master of none to be honest. whatever interests me and seems doable Dec 10 04:57:52 lol, so one of those.. uh.. geniuses :P i hate you guys Dec 10 04:58:42 haha no seriously, not a genius at all. the gstreamer bit was a little late night research. you've noticed my hands off nature since. Dec 10 04:59:03 I don't even work in the IT field IRL Dec 10 04:59:04 Eh, you know what they say. Your work sparked my work. my work sparked puffs work. Dec 10 04:59:12 I don't think any of us do Dec 10 04:59:36 howdy Dec 10 04:59:40 hahaha that's actually quite cool then Dec 10 04:59:41 Rod doesn't count, he's never here in real time anway, so he can only rebut things you say post-textually Dec 10 05:00:06 heyo abyssal Dec 10 05:00:11 Abyssul: * Dec 10 05:00:19 I can say something like "Rod likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches" Dec 10 05:00:33 And in about 4 hours, you'll see him mumbling about how he prefers "jam preserves" Dec 10 05:00:46 haha Dec 10 05:01:34 I ought to be going at this hour. hopefully I'll be around more. if I'm not, badger me on precentral Dec 10 05:01:49 I really should be more involved Dec 10 05:02:06 :> peace out bro Dec 10 05:02:17 cheers :) Dec 10 05:45:39 zsoc|away: strawberry jam Dec 10 06:04:56 If I want to login via ssh as root how do I do it? Dec 10 06:10:40 very carefully Dec 10 06:13:03 (emulator or device) Dec 10 06:18:40 device, I just enabled root login in sshd_config and rebooting see if that works Dec 10 06:19:41 nope.. Dec 10 06:24:12 * Templarian thinks oh the problem of it being 1:23 state side and having a question. Dec 10 06:24:30 or 10pm pacific... Dec 10 06:25:00 I see that dropbear is running with -g for no root password login but how do I change that? Dec 10 06:27:20 hmagoo: just to clarify those people don't count when referencing state-side. Only the EST timezone does. Dec 10 06:28:14 hmagoo: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Dropbear Dec 10 06:35:59 hmagoo: create an ssh key to log in as root. Dec 10 06:37:37 * Templarian believes the link says that also... and was far to lazy to copy and paste. Dec 10 06:40:39 found that link a while ago, still trying to figure it out Dec 10 07:05:08 infobot, Templarian is a big meanie Dec 10 07:05:08 ...but templarian is already something else... Dec 10 07:05:26 ~templarian Dec 10 07:05:27 i guess templarian is doing the work of three men: Curly, Larry and Moe, or an avid pr0n watcher, or a com dumpster, or none of these things, or everything seen here today, or a crazy zombie killing gangsta, or known as a wigger Dec 10 07:05:38 lol Dec 10 07:07:44 jesus that's getting pretty thorough. Dec 10 07:09:48 infobot, Templarian is also a big meanie Dec 10 07:09:49 oil: okay Dec 10 07:09:54 lol Dec 10 07:10:37 theres a thin add for pixi on amazon.com about how thin it is Dec 10 07:10:41 ad Dec 10 07:11:07 http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/erm/gw/palm/collapsed_v2._V208509234_.png Dec 10 07:11:10 a thin ad? Dec 10 07:11:25 ah Dec 10 07:12:36 i think it needs an "actual size" sticker xD Dec 10 07:14:41 (if viewed at blah dpi) Dec 10 07:14:58 no, it should have it anyways Dec 10 07:14:59 lol Dec 10 07:15:04 whens 1.3.5 comin out already Dec 10 07:15:15 tomorrow Dec 10 07:15:24 it better... or else Dec 10 07:15:28 lol Dec 10 07:15:34 where is Eguy to back me up Dec 10 07:15:41 the app limit thing is saying i have to delete apps no matter how many I delete Dec 10 07:15:49 He's in watercooler like usual. Dec 10 07:16:28 he's in here, too Dec 10 07:17:25 Oh I know, he's just lest receptive since he is afraid of on-topic discussion. Dec 10 07:18:26 lol Dec 10 07:18:27 ~eguy Dec 10 07:18:28 eguy is probably first rule of Eguy is never talk about Eguy, or like a master at infobot schooling, or someone who likes to spend time at the watercooler telling infobot what to do just like everyone else in the watercooler Dec 10 07:18:54 ~oil Dec 10 07:18:55 ~botsnack Dec 10 07:18:55 you are, like, the guy that wrote a lot of Preware and other webOS stuff Dec 10 07:18:56 Templarian: :) Dec 10 07:19:00 lol Dec 10 07:19:15 infobot, forget oil Dec 10 07:19:15 oil: i forgot oil Dec 10 07:19:18 good Dec 10 07:19:38 infobot: oil and water do not mix Dec 10 10:29:10 hello Dec 10 10:29:49 anyone? Dec 10 10:31:44 who me? Dec 10 10:32:19 i came for help with preware?.. not sure if i came to the rigth place? i hope i did Dec 10 10:38:07 This should be the right place. Have you gone through the tutorials here yet? http://preware.org/#/install/ Dec 10 10:46:41 yes i have but i cant fix the problem still Dec 10 10:54:52 the problem is that after i click install a theme lets say and then click okay to execute script is goes to and error Dec 10 10:58:37 Sorry, I am not too familiar with it. I have only done it once. Is the error from your computer or the pre? Dec 10 10:58:49 the pre Dec 10 10:59:20 what kind of error is it? Somebody will usually come along here eventually that knows more than me. Dec 10 11:02:54 well the error is in the postinst and it has somethin to do with like cannot create directory, no such file in directory, and unknown perand Dec 10 11:09:46 precentral: have you used webos quick install to install a theme previously? Dec 10 11:10:05 (btw, precentral is a bad nickname to use in this channel, unless you're Dieter Bohn) Dec 10 11:10:06 yes i have Dec 10 11:10:26 oh can i change my nickname? Dec 10 11:10:38 did you remove that theme before trying to install another one? Dec 10 11:10:56 oh no i didnt. how do i do that? Dec 10 11:11:14 use webos quick install - ask in that thread. Dec 10 11:11:39 (webos quick install is not created by webos-internals, it's created by canuck software) Dec 10 11:12:04 I expect it's got a button to remove the theme in the same screen you used to install the theme Dec 10 11:12:15 oh i see Dec 10 11:13:03 if that doesn't work, ask in the webos quick install thread, giving them the error messages from the ipkg log (take a screenshot to save typing) Dec 10 11:14:03 okay i reverted the theme back to normal default Dec 10 11:14:09 my palm is reseting Dec 10 11:14:33 goodnight all Dec 10 11:14:36 * rwhitby bbt Dec 10 11:15:02 should i try to install the internals theme now? Dec 10 11:21:09 the problem is fixed Dec 10 11:21:13 thank you Dec 10 11:21:29 i just dont know how to instal the keyboard Dec 10 12:47:30 Hmm, wIRC is such a better client than colloquy or other iPhone solutions. Dec 10 12:48:04 Just one more notch on the webos belt. Dec 10 12:50:49 I cannot for the life of me seem to load the channel list on this client. And I Dec 10 12:51:24 ...and I apparently was done with that sentence already. Thank you iPhone for deciding that for me. Dec 10 12:51:59 Oi, wife must return with Dec 10 12:52:15 ... Oh fuckit, I'm done. Dec 10 12:54:10 ok... Dec 10 13:04:39 Ellipsis to you too... Dec 10 13:05:15 Morning rwhitby. Don't mind me, coffee Dec 10 13:12:30 hello everyone Dec 10 14:07:53 can someone tell me if you ssh through usb??? Dec 10 14:17:02 can someone tell me if you ssh through usb??? Dec 10 14:59:39 morning Dec 10 15:00:57 dBsooner: good morning, sir Dec 10 15:01:15 No need to call me sir, I work for a living. ;) Dec 10 15:01:52 I had an old military guy tell me that a lot.. It stuck with me. Dec 10 15:04:00 All these women I work with that are older than me call me sir. Dec 10 15:07:57 * ird needs a new capo Dec 10 15:08:29 actually Dec 10 15:08:34 a new guitar, then a new capo. Dec 10 15:08:38 and a fiddle. Dec 10 15:08:42 and harmonica Dec 10 15:08:50 Then I'll be well on my way to folk singer. Dec 10 18:42:03 egaudet_work: ping Dec 10 18:44:28 is preware.org supposed to be viewable from a Pre ? Dec 10 18:45:21 yes. it is Dec 10 18:45:52 morning chuqui! Dec 10 18:45:59 morning! Dec 10 18:48:53 morning all Dec 10 18:49:35 mornin Dec 10 18:50:11 can anyone tell me how to get in contact with the maintainer of the Advanced Phone Menu patch (asedeno)? I'm having some issues I'd like to bring up. Dec 10 18:50:50 search pc.net for that username? Dec 10 18:50:56 or the wiki.. Dec 10 18:51:25 I have not, but will...thats why I asked ;) thanks! Dec 10 18:53:13 nothing helpful on the wiki, whats pc.net? Dec 10 18:55:58 precentral.net Dec 10 18:56:12 yes, just found it - thanks Dec 10 19:14:19 dBsooner pong Dec 10 19:14:34 egaudet_work_: nm..i am writing it. Dec 10 19:14:52 egaudet_work_: writing a shell script to install/remove all patches in feed one by one Dec 10 19:15:03 so I can just run the script Dec 10 19:15:10 and it will tell me which ones fail Dec 10 19:15:18 so I know they aren't ready for primetime Dec 10 19:15:19 :D Dec 10 19:16:22 k Dec 10 19:16:22 sounds good Dec 10 19:18:40 could probably get a script to do it for local build rather than in feed if we want to make sure no bad packages get in feed Dec 10 19:19:40 ...as well. (verifying all in feed is a good procedure as well afterwards) Dec 10 19:20:41 nm I guess just verifying before pushing by manual install and then verify entire feed is a good idea Dec 10 19:56:36 hello? is anyone there. Dec 10 19:56:51 yes Dec 10 19:57:04 hi was just wondering if i can get some help Dec 10 19:57:15 it's usually more useful in an IRC channel to just start talking. ask your question and if someone knows thye will answer. Dec 10 19:57:34 Note that since we're mostly at work, answers can take a while (minutes, sometimes many minutes.) Dec 10 19:58:08 oh sorry, should i ask here still or go to the "irc "channel Dec 10 19:58:21 this is an irc channel. :-) Dec 10 19:58:24 it's ok Dec 10 19:58:26 just ask Dec 10 19:58:34 lol im so newb Dec 10 19:58:47 sokay we all were not that long ago Dec 10 20:00:04 wel i downloaded preware last night and i have been having crazy aamounts of problems , but one of which i cant seem to find the virtual keabord everyone is talking about Dec 10 20:00:21 when ever i run a filter, it only brings up the "obsolete version" Dec 10 20:01:29 what version of webos are you running Dec 10 20:01:49 lol im nto to sure but im on my pre i thin i have 1.2.0 Dec 10 20:02:43 tap launcher -> device info to find out Dec 10 20:02:56 in preware do you see other patches available under available packages -> Patch Dec 10 20:05:06 hi Dec 10 20:05:37 does anyone know how to get the respawn feature of upstart to work? Dec 10 20:09:29 hello? yes sorry i am using webos 1.2.0 Dec 10 20:10:38 and there are no atches or a patching heading under the available pacages Dec 10 20:13:41 I suggest updating webos Dec 10 20:14:22 how do i do that?, because i went to updates, and it just keeps spinning and spinning and never shows the updates Dec 10 20:14:30 hrm Dec 10 20:14:42 that's funny. what kind of network are you on? Dec 10 20:14:55 bell Dec 10 20:15:08 bell what Dec 10 20:15:30 uhm bell mobility for my pre? Dec 10 20:15:46 not sure if tht answers the question.. lol Dec 10 20:15:46 what is bell mobility? what country is that? Dec 10 20:15:49 oh canada Dec 10 20:16:00 ah. so it's GSM Dec 10 20:16:03 no Dec 10 20:16:15 they're cdma based? Dec 10 20:16:16 * mikeDOTd sings ./~ oooooh, Canada... ./~ Dec 10 20:16:22 geist, yap Dec 10 20:16:37 so.. what do i do? lol Dec 10 20:16:57 wow. jay__ when you're on the network what kind of connection does it say? 3g? 1x? Dec 10 20:17:08 i think there's a restriction to not download updates if you're on 1x Dec 10 20:17:19 since itd essentially take forever and use up tons of battery Dec 10 20:18:13 how do i check that, i thought it was 3g but im nto sure Dec 10 20:18:45 well either way you can probaby grab a webos dr from palm's or bells site and update it via your computer Dec 10 20:20:47 or get it on a wifi network, should be able to fetch through that Dec 10 20:22:08 well im looking, im not sure HOW to get it really tho Dec 10 20:22:30 have you tried updating while connected to wifi? Dec 10 20:25:50 im connected to my wifi network on my phone but it still seems to be just "checkign for updates...." Dec 10 20:26:10 =O it found it! Dec 10 20:26:15 :) Dec 10 20:26:20 oh Dec 10 20:26:22 wait Dec 10 20:26:42 it says is downloading already... but i think i clicked down load a very long time ago Dec 10 20:26:51 its just suck on "downloading" Dec 10 20:26:53 stuck* Dec 10 20:26:55 how far as it made it? Dec 10 20:27:01 nowhere:| Dec 10 20:27:10 no progess on the progressbar Dec 10 20:27:20 hrm. maybe try *not* wifi then Dec 10 20:27:25 could be it's firewalled out or something Dec 10 20:27:39 and when in doubt, reboot Dec 10 20:27:57 lolokay Dec 10 20:28:06 if i do get the 1.3.1 webos Dec 10 20:28:16 i dunno if that'll solve it, just figured if it stalled out somehow it'll at least reset the download Dec 10 20:28:18 will that solve y problem WAY above? Dec 10 20:28:27 why i cant find the virutal kyabord in preware Dec 10 20:28:28 which was? Dec 10 20:28:35 no idea Dec 10 20:28:54 i should actually futz with preware some Dec 10 20:29:39 pardon? Dec 10 20:31:03 because ive been having problems with it ever sinc ei got the preware .. i really like the preware but its caused me trouble Dec 10 20:31:29 before it would open up and say downloading the info and then my phoen would freeze=\ Dec 10 20:32:35 yeah, i dunno. i haven't used any preware stuff at all Dec 10 20:33:31 i see thanks for the other help it was use ful =) Dec 10 20:33:44 i hope someone can help me with my preware problems later if anything=\ Dec 10 20:34:29 would you recommen uninstalling all of the preware themes and stuff before updating? or do you think it wont matter Dec 10 20:34:59 it's safest to remove all themes and patches before updating Dec 10 20:35:14 you can tap app manager in preware and tap manage feeds Dec 10 20:35:24 tell me if you see a webos-patches feed Dec 10 20:35:30 what version of preware do you ahve installed Dec 10 20:35:43 and what version of package manager service Dec 10 20:36:02 I dont know the status of the patches feed for webos 1.2.0 Dec 10 20:36:29 Updating webos is a good idea though IMO, unless you have specific reason to stay on a certain version Dec 10 20:37:15 Even if you get the VKB for 1.2.0, it wouldn't be updated as development continues on the current version of webos only Dec 10 20:37:20 how do i remove the themes? Dec 10 20:37:25 however you installed it Dec 10 20:37:43 if you isntalled theme with preware remove it with preware Dec 10 20:37:50 should be listed in installed pacakges if installed Dec 10 20:39:23 Hey guys I'm going to start expanding the project I'm working on. http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4355/buttone.png How does this look for a UI style? Dec 10 20:41:11 i clicked remove them and it said that luna is restarting so im just waiting then i will update to 1.3.1 form 1.2.0 webos Dec 10 20:42:18 if only i asked here first because i went and restarted my phone settings and lost ALL of my contacts=( and email which was tookforever to set up because its my univeristy email Dec 10 20:45:06 anyone here with upstart knowledge? i can't get respawn working Dec 10 20:48:07 jay__: virtual keyboard is not available for 1.2.0, so you need to update webOS first. Dec 10 20:48:46 debilater: heh - mytether doesn't seem to be able to stop respawning according to some reports :-) Dec 10 20:49:52 rwhitby : thank you i am actually updating as we speak =) is there a way to get back all my contacts? after i reset my settins =( Dec 10 20:50:22 jay__: you'll need to talk to Palm about that one Dec 10 20:51:02 where would i be able to do that? :) Dec 10 20:51:08 lol and if i add "console output" it keeps starting instances endlessly Dec 10 20:51:12 sorry im a newbie Dec 10 20:51:14 such a crab Dec 10 20:51:18 egaudet_work_, rwhitby: http://www.dbsooner.com/test-patches.sh Dec 10 20:51:25 can you just look over that logic? Dec 10 21:02:54 grep patches is repetitive if you are going to awk it anyway Dec 10 21:05:08 line 38, use export Dec 10 21:05:29 export IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT Dec 10 21:06:38 good points Dec 10 21:07:10 -ne should be used on numbers not string Dec 10 21:07:20 $var -ne 1, not "$var" -ne "1" Dec 10 21:07:39 != for string Dec 10 21:07:42 ok Dec 10 21:08:58 so line 44 would need export at the beginning as well? Dec 10 21:09:14 line 50 you still want to remove ipkg if prerm fails? Dec 10 21:10:05 nope, rather than setting IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=$IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT Dec 10 21:10:06 can i ask? how d you use the onscreen keyboard? i just downloaded it and restarted luna and i tried to doubletap on my texting screen and it didnt work? Dec 10 21:10:13 just export IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT after you set it initially at the beginning Dec 10 21:10:21 then it gets exported to any other script you run Dec 10 21:10:29 and then you can just run the postinst or prerm and it's in the env Dec 10 21:10:46 and don't think you need to /bin/sh it Dec 10 21:11:23 I just added /bin/sh's to be sure Dec 10 21:11:31 jay__, from a text field with blinking cursor Dec 10 21:11:37 double tap gesture area Dec 10 21:11:40 you should see cursor stop blinking Dec 10 21:11:45 takes about 3 seconds for kb to render Dec 10 21:12:18 dBsooner, the #!/bin/sh in the script takes care of that Dec 10 21:13:38 yeah Dec 10 21:13:40 that's what I was thinking Dec 10 21:13:47 since you're in a script already Dec 10 21:14:02 even from out of the script Dec 10 21:14:26 updated script at same URL Dec 10 21:14:32 is it possible to view the keyboard in a width of my screen as in my phone sideways, as opposed to my phone by verticle in regular position? Dec 10 21:14:33 pastebin it Dec 10 21:14:36