**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 02:59:56 2009 Dec 11 03:01:11 rwhitby: ping Dec 11 03:18:59 egaudet: ipkg doesn't like a 300 MB list file Dec 11 03:21:36 that's quite the list Dec 11 03:21:37 in */usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ Dec 11 03:21:58 yeah.. ipkg puked and filled up a file with a crapload of useless characters Dec 11 03:22:05 so webos-patches was 300MB Dec 11 03:24:40 * dBsooner loves his new patch testing script.. Dec 11 03:28:26 I'm surprised no one has tried to install every patch just to see what would happen. Dec 11 03:33:46 Templarian: challenge NOT accepted Dec 11 03:40:25 anyone know how to tell what currently running - ie task manager on a Pre? Dec 11 03:41:17 generally if the card is open, it's running .. Dec 11 03:41:36 only a couple things are in an init file that keeps it running in memory after the card is gone Dec 11 03:41:40 have you tried JsTOP Dec 11 03:41:53 i think web and email are always running Dec 11 03:42:18 problem is alot of stuff dosn't have a card open when running ie BU, PrePackage, PackageManager, really any of the services... Dec 11 03:42:41 services run all the time .. Dec 11 03:43:37 I been messin round with BU and USCL and recently a few other things and all of a sudden my batt is goin down like crazy. Dec 11 03:43:48 Templarian: I have installed all patches that don't conflict. Dec 11 03:43:53 ps and top should be good to check Dec 11 03:44:05 dBsooner: lol, nice. Dec 11 03:44:14 Templarian: I kind of have to.. I have to test them. Dec 11 03:45:10 kind of his job only he doesnt get paid for it. Dec 11 03:45:23 Yeah, but that's ok. Dec 11 03:45:34 kind of like my job too, the no pay thing Dec 11 03:45:41 My payment is recognition.. which rwhitby denies me of. Dec 11 03:45:41 wierdness started when package manager freaked out one day last week and just kept restartin java over and over. Dec 11 03:45:52 :D Dec 11 03:46:26 yeah, package manager eats up memory and causes OOM errors Dec 11 03:47:17 is the pmanager running at all times? Dec 11 03:48:15 there is one instance of a jvm running at all times in the background Dec 11 03:48:33 I removed and reinstalled ipkmgr and it seemed to be normal again, but then BU came out I installed that and more weirdness started Dec 11 03:51:27 Finally! Dec 11 03:51:29 Finished. 120 packages install, 5 packages fail install. Dec 11 03:51:29 See end of log (/tmp/test-patches.sh.log) for packages that failed. Dec 11 04:00:34 thx again for the help yesterday. got it working. new favorite app is terminal Dec 11 04:01:29 dBsooner: syn|ack Dec 11 04:01:59 rwhitby: I figured it out WHY ipkg was stealing all my memory.. but can't figure out what caused it.. Dec 11 04:02:12 just wanted to say thay the smartreflex 500 patch made a significant difference in battery life for me without making any other changes Dec 11 04:02:15 rwhitby: I had a 300MB */usr/lib/ipkg/info/webos-patches file Dec 11 04:02:31 dBsooner: what was in it? Dec 11 04:02:39 somehow ipkg puked and filled up that file with a ton of "go" 's over and over and over again Dec 11 04:03:12 it started off as a valid ipkg list Dec 11 04:03:29 then in the middle of a Package: line, it started printing "gogogogogogogogogo" Dec 11 04:03:35 and didn't stop for 300MB's Dec 11 04:04:10 so that might be a check you might add to IPKGService Dec 11 04:04:30 if filesize of a list file is > XXMB, delete it Dec 11 04:04:37 and ipkg update to rebuild it Dec 11 04:05:08 oh and is anyone aware of the browser app not closing properly and eventually after several uses will cause a permanent "too many cards"? the jstop app has come in handy to diagnose and workaround this issue for me. my pre also has less speed issues since I keep the browser processes killed Dec 11 04:05:16 ipkg update should rewrite it anyway Dec 11 04:06:09 I'm still using smartflex 600 works great some some freezing with additional patches... Dec 11 04:06:24 rwhitby it wasn't Dec 11 04:06:33 and hi rwhitby :) Dec 11 04:06:36 i would do "ipkg -o *cough* update" Dec 11 04:06:43 and it would just steal all my ram Dec 11 04:07:23 i was watching "top" in another terminal and just watched ipkg chew it up faster than a pack of termites in a wood forest Dec 11 04:07:32 hmm Dec 11 04:08:01 so its like 'update' is trying to 'update' the lists file Dec 11 04:08:05 not 'rewrite' it Dec 11 04:08:44 LarryFlynt: I haven't had any issues with freezing related to the patch, I just sometimes can't wake it from sleep unless I push the power button a few times. I think that is a webos issue with 1.3.1 since it will do it without the patch Dec 11 04:10:36 LarryFlynt: of course I'm not running at 600 :P Dec 11 04:11:32 Wahots: it'll freez once in a while on a restart, that's about it. Dec 11 04:12:14 weird, I wouldn't be cool with that at all Dec 11 04:12:35 diffrence is night and day. I'll never go back to stock Dec 11 04:13:00 100mhz really makes a difference? Dec 11 04:13:01 dbsooner: got that path right...was lookin for mine and can't find a webos-patches in info Dec 11 04:15:00 AMRCC: yes, its right.. * stands for something Dec 11 04:15:19 I know this sound silly but I can tell as soon as I slide the keyboard open that its significantly faster Dec 11 04:15:30 I think I'm going to remove Dropbear from Preware Dec 11 04:15:37 please Dec 11 04:15:40 Since the setup for OpenSSH is so much easier Dec 11 04:15:44 yes Dec 11 04:15:49 * dBsooner loves Openssh Dec 11 04:15:50 (no need to give root a password) Dec 11 04:15:55 nods Dec 11 04:16:03 I just use my ssh key Dec 11 04:16:03 :D Dec 11 04:19:44 meh - choice is good. the instructions will just say to use openssh Dec 11 04:21:26 * sugardave remembers when everyone was pushing dropbear. Dec 11 04:22:29 LarryFlynt: I like pushing hardware to its limits, but not when its my main phone and I need it to be relyable. I will wait on palm to increase the clock rate, if they ever do. I'm sure the gpu stuff will do more for gui snappyness Dec 11 04:25:30 sugardave: that's when we didn't have novaterm Dec 11 04:25:42 ah, I see Dec 11 04:27:39 I guess I should make a phone call with this thing ... Dec 11 04:28:16 Wahots: I hope the gpu makes a big diff. but till then 600 mhz is the next best thing Dec 11 04:29:09 rwhitby: you can call me, hehe ;) Dec 11 04:30:20 call the states.. Dec 11 04:30:24 use up that long distance Dec 11 04:31:35 got netstat/netstatd into Preware just in time ... Dec 11 04:31:40 dBsooner: I just got off the phone with a girl in taiwan that's visiting family, she has a taiwan phone over there and she will be back here next week Dec 11 04:32:03 rwhitby: why is that? Dec 11 04:32:07 international calling ftw Dec 11 04:32:23 dBsooner: no unlimited gsm plans Dec 11 04:32:23 Wahots: I get to talk to my brother in Afghanistan every now and then.. but that connection SUCKS Dec 11 04:32:52 I could see that, taiwan is a bit better Dec 11 04:32:52 my first major patch will be to make syncing happen automatically on wifi, but only on demand on 3g Dec 11 04:33:27 how do you enter a loop untill a user enters a valid input? Dec 11 04:33:49 read FILE ; if [ ! -f "$FILE" ] ; then ... Dec 11 04:34:03 how do I enter into a loop until user enters a valid path/file? Dec 11 04:34:21 omgwtfbbq(user); *grin* Dec 11 04:35:07 nm, I figured it out, I think. Dec 11 04:36:09 amd on that note I go to sleep, good(TOD) all! Dec 11 04:39:59 l8r Dec 11 04:49:37 which one of the systemui tasks is most likely ipkmgr Dec 11 04:54:13 dbsooner: did the large file you were talking about cause a constant utilization problem? Dec 11 04:54:27 no.. nothing to do with your issue Dec 11 04:55:48 i got the thing in airplane mode and it is doing something that is using so much that it won't even charge - take about an hour to go up 1% Dec 11 05:06:12 ok...so I removed package manager and it seems to be working fine again. There must be a corrupt file or something somewhere... Dec 11 05:11:04 hmm Dec 11 05:11:17 rwhitby: do you know why "read -s" doesn't work in busybox? Dec 11 05:12:16 oh i know Dec 11 05:12:21 why? Dec 11 05:12:29 is there an equivelant? Dec 11 05:12:57 i'm sorry, i actually just lied Dec 11 05:13:00 i feel really bad about it Dec 11 05:13:01 oh Dec 11 05:13:09 please forgive me Dec 11 05:13:11 what is read -s do Dec 11 05:13:42 -s or --shell Use syntax highlighting, tab completions and command termination suitable for entering shellscript code Dec 11 05:14:20 in other words I want to 'read -s "File: " FILE' Dec 11 05:14:32 so you can use tab completions to find your file Dec 11 05:14:49 Is there a way to see what proggy(s) is(are) sending data? Just rebooted, nothing open, and Data is goin nuts.... Dec 11 05:14:50 those don't sound like things that would go in busybox, probably deemed not necessary Dec 11 05:15:08 darn Dec 11 05:15:10 oh well Dec 11 05:15:19 I don't know for sure but if you are saying it's not Dec 11 05:15:20 I added more to my script Dec 11 05:15:39 it now asks if you are testing AUPT or APT Dec 11 05:15:50 if AUPT, it skips all the -0 packs Dec 11 05:15:52 why Dec 11 05:16:02 you can install/remove them just fine without error Dec 11 05:16:04 it won't effect the test Dec 11 05:16:06 because I know the -0's will install/remove just fine Dec 11 05:16:10 yea so? Dec 11 05:16:14 it's just wasted time Dec 11 05:16:16 :D Dec 11 05:16:26 and it accepts a file input for packages Dec 11 05:16:29 meh it takes small amount of time to install/remove empty package Dec 11 05:16:30 so you can specify a list Dec 11 05:16:31 :p Dec 11 05:16:45 Ok, so to reduce clutter. Dec 11 05:16:51 but you have a point, I'll remove that option. Dec 11 05:17:03 novaterm is so flaky on my computer ! Dec 11 05:19:08 there.. I am done with it Dec 11 05:19:11 time to push it off Dec 11 05:23:51 egaudet, rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=scripts/test-patches.sh;h=e98fe285282b127614c982cee95645a4d6e7a990;hb=b35a7d47df974fd2a2f2b4d87682f9d31e15fa91 Dec 11 05:25:32 what u guys workin on? Dec 11 05:26:33 nothin now Dec 11 05:26:39 im about to work on the bed Dec 11 05:28:04 yea bed time Dec 11 05:28:05 night Dec 11 05:28:15 me too.. g'night ya'll Dec 11 05:28:39 * Templarian should go to bed, but instead is working on a UI mockup thingy. Dec 11 06:16:13 http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1938/buttonnv.png Designing is fun. Dec 11 06:19:47 whats it for?\ Dec 11 06:23:34 Something I'm working on. Dec 11 09:47:41 interesting, looks like muPDF isnt the only gpl violation palm has to offer Dec 11 09:47:45 http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/12/07/#20091207-palm_sued_over_gpl_violation Dec 11 11:48:01 . Dec 11 13:41:05 how do I update patches? Everytime I hit update it says to remove first. So I go to remove it and it tells me ipk long error Dec 11 13:41:57 ipk error* Dec 11 13:43:39 if anyone has an answer please email me @ amfritz0508@yahoo.com Dec 11 14:53:37 wtf Dec 11 14:53:45 i have backup suspended in backup app Dec 11 14:59:32 mine isn't disabled, but it only tries to backup at midnight... my phone is disabled at night Dec 11 14:59:48 anybody got a patch for that yet? Dec 11 15:06:05 my doesnt backup Dec 11 15:06:08 since 1.3.1 update Dec 11 15:11:17 I think I had to disable backup, clear my cloud backup, reboot, then re-enable backup to get it working again after the update Dec 11 15:11:33 it works fine now -- as long as my phone is on at midnight Dec 11 15:27:59 hmm Dec 11 15:28:02 CSP Inc. (NASDAQ:CSPI) Based in Billerica, Massachusetts and founded in 1968, CSP Inc. and its subsidiaries develop and market best-of-breed IT solutions, systems integration services, and high-performance computer systems. Dec 11 15:50:29 stalker Dec 11 16:20:09 dBsooner ping Dec 11 17:25:33 egaudet_work: Pong Dec 11 17:25:53 egaudet_work: was in a meeting. What's up?... And I saw your hostmask and wondered what cspi was. Dec 11 17:29:41 thinkign about adding to aupt Dec 11 17:31:34 adding what? Dec 11 17:31:53 1) add another column to backups file that has stock md5sum of backed up file. saving a .base file which lists all the files touched by the patch and the current stock md5sum from backups file Dec 11 17:32:03 at this rate AUPT will never get fully developed and tested/released. Dec 11 17:32:21 of course it will Dec 11 17:32:38 'at this rate'. development has been pretty quick so far with regards to aupt Dec 11 17:32:42 there's a lot to it Dec 11 17:32:50 no, the rate of adding stuff. Dec 11 17:32:52 it's been less than a week Dec 11 17:32:55 Makes it hard to test it over all Dec 11 17:33:01 yea and it's been less then a week from starting Dec 11 17:33:01 it's been a week. ;) Dec 11 17:33:08 less than a week Dec 11 17:33:10 LIES Dec 11 17:34:17 look updating is currently not functional Dec 11 17:35:21 this I know Dec 11 17:35:24 now back to my idea. So if a file tries to remove and can't, if the .base file shows a different stock md5sum than the current backups stock md5sum, it will indicate an OTA changed this file since this package was installed Dec 11 17:35:25 I was just kidding anyway. Dec 11 17:35:26 :) Dec 11 17:35:27 and we can remove Dec 11 17:35:42 I'll joke after work ;P Dec 11 17:35:57 just gotta get these brainstorm ideas out of my head Dec 11 17:36:31 ok? Dec 11 17:36:43 sooo here's the issue, that is going to add tiem to the install process Dec 11 17:36:50 so I don't love this solution Dec 11 17:37:23 but wouldn't just seeing the md5sum of the stock file matches the *md5sum file in /usr/lib/ipkg/info prove it was updated by OTA? Dec 11 17:37:25 another possible solution is all -0's in an initial update feed Dec 11 17:37:44 ^^ which was my idea yesterday Dec 11 17:37:49 right Dec 11 17:37:54 now I'm thinking of the logistics of it Dec 11 17:38:01 preware can't force upgrade to -0 Dec 11 17:38:23 that solution is kind of annoying for the user having to update all twice Dec 11 17:38:36 it would have to turn off all patches feed conf's and use a special "update" conf file Dec 11 17:38:39 a third solution is inotify daemon Dec 11 17:39:11 hmm Dec 11 17:39:27 this would make aupt patches dependent on this daemon package Dec 11 17:40:00 and would break if the daemon stopped between an OTA, which I don't know how the OTA process works but it might Dec 11 17:41:21 how would it? Dec 11 17:41:27 solution 1 could be sped up if we got the stock md5sums from the doctor image and included it in the package install, thus wouldn't have to go grepping Dec 11 17:41:31 I don't see how OTA would cause it to stop working Dec 11 17:41:59 I've noticed the stock md5sums file (/md5sums) doesn't always match Dec 11 17:42:04 It's unlikely but still have to test it Dec 11 17:42:10 not that file Dec 11 17:42:14 that file is a doctor thing Dec 11 17:42:22 uhh not a doctor thing Dec 11 17:42:39 i dunno where it comes from, but the /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*md5sums are correct always Dec 11 17:43:05 but what about after a doctor? Dec 11 17:43:09 are they correct then? Dec 11 17:43:12 the build process for aupt can incorporate this by compiling a .md5sums file with the md5sums of the files the patch is touching Dec 11 17:43:22 this used to be done for the virtual keyboard way back when for instance Dec 11 17:43:32 yes they are ALWAYS correct Dec 11 17:46:21 hmm Dec 11 17:47:27 yea so I'm leaning towards that Dec 11 17:48:20 have the package know the stock md5sum that it expects, and if that has changed then it doesn't have to unapply the patch Dec 11 17:49:25 wait.. if it doesnt match, dont unapply? Dec 11 17:49:37 yea Dec 11 17:49:56 that means the files were changed by an OTA Dec 11 17:51:26 instead of checking md5sum of file with on pre stock md5sums file, it will check packages stock md5sums with on pre stock md5sums file Dec 11 17:52:27 this only breaks if a package is installed with a -bad- md5sums file. I COULD add that check to postinst, but then it brings back the additional install time problem Dec 11 17:52:57 and I guess it breaks with carrier-specific files Dec 11 17:53:29 carrier specific files should install via IPK Dec 11 17:53:32 so it shouldn't break Dec 11 17:53:35 look in the "sprint.tar" Dec 11 17:53:39 its all ipk's Dec 11 17:53:45 and same in an "update" Dec 11 17:54:12 just have to make sure to get the md5sums into the package Dec 11 17:54:37 so would have to look for files in sprint.tar as well as usr/lib/ipkg/info/*md5sums Dec 11 17:54:42 is there a bell.tar Dec 11 17:54:49 and other carrier tars? Dec 11 17:55:31 should be Dec 11 17:55:38 inside thei webosdocs there are Dec 11 17:56:12 just have it untar *.tar in the update dir Dec 11 17:56:24 and get all the *md5sums out of it Dec 11 18:00:45 so if the md5sum in the control file doesn't match the md5sum in the md5sums file, then it won't unapply. Dec 11 18:03:19 right, but that check is the last step Dec 11 18:03:30 so still tries to unapply dry run, see if it's already applied etc.. Dec 11 18:03:48 then last resort "well did the md5sum change since I was installed?" Dec 11 18:04:23 the onyl question is how to get this md5sums file Dec 11 18:04:41 building it into the package saves install time, but doesn't guarantee it's "correct" Dec 11 18:05:24 but wait Dec 11 18:05:33 where are the 2 comparison md5's coming from? Dec 11 18:06:59 ? Dec 11 18:08:38 egaudet_work: 1) add another column to backups file that has stock md5sum of backed up file. saving a .base file which lists all the files touched by the patch and the current stock md5sum from backups file Dec 11 18:08:38 ok Dec 11 18:08:52 so it md5sums the file it's backing up Dec 11 18:08:53 that goes away then Dec 11 18:08:54 and puts it int he control Dec 11 18:08:59 ? Dec 11 18:09:00 no more saving it into backups file Dec 11 18:09:21 the package now contains in its app dir the stock md5sum list of the files it touches Dec 11 18:09:29 and the prerm checks that with the on-pre known correct ones Dec 11 18:09:59 the above you referenced was the idea if we weren't going to build it into the package Dec 11 18:10:44 since I didnt' want the packages to grep the md5sum every single install, do it just on the firs ttime the file is backed up. But that's still a lot since most packages touch different files. Dec 11 18:10:44 os the package would get the STOCK md5sum out of the /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*md5sums for each file it touches Dec 11 18:10:55 and save them into a file in teh patches app dir Dec 11 18:11:06 the build process would do that Dec 11 18:11:14 yes Dec 11 18:11:28 then on removal, it would check each of those md5sums against /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*md5sums Dec 11 18:11:54 and if those don't match, then it was an OTA overwritten file Dec 11 18:12:34 yea Dec 11 18:13:00 now the two ways to generate the md5sums file is build process and isntall process Dec 11 18:13:15 so build process = we have to create the file Dec 11 18:13:34 install process is more robust to guarantee correct md5sum as on-device, while build process will not slow down the instlal process Dec 11 18:13:36 install process = postinst does the dirty ... WHICH = SLOW Dec 11 18:14:11 right, since grepping those files takes like a second and you have to do it for each file Dec 11 18:14:21 hmm Dec 11 18:14:42 well.. Dec 11 18:14:58 I'm ok with build process way. Aside from installing patches from the wrong feed, it should work fine Dec 11 18:15:05 during build process would mean we weould have to rely on an early access webosdoctor from ALL carriers. Dec 11 18:15:19 if we wanted the new patches feed to be ready on launch day of the new webos version Dec 11 18:15:31 during install process, it wouldn't. Dec 11 18:15:34 which isn't a priority to me Dec 11 18:15:44 but then again Dec 11 18:15:49 the doctor could take a while to come out you are right Dec 11 18:15:58 It has taken a week or longer for the public webosdoctor to show up Dec 11 18:16:11 ^^ in the past Dec 11 18:16:11 so install could generate it if it doesn't exist Dec 11 18:16:16 I think 1.2.1 took like 2 or 3 weeks Dec 11 18:16:27 so slow installs until the doctor is released type of deal Dec 11 18:16:36 yeah Dec 11 18:16:42 i think a combination of the two Dec 11 18:40:13 is there any tutorial on writing custom java services? or shall i just look at the source of services? Dec 11 18:40:49 java service bad, c service good Dec 11 18:41:23 oilsworkn: i want to create a barcode scanner. the "best" one is in java. so, java service is best Dec 11 18:41:58 zebra? or whatever its called Dec 11 18:42:29 yeah, i was looking at zebra crossing (zxing) but i guess there is an OSS c lib Dec 11 18:43:00 nevermind, c encoder Dec 11 18:43:02 * oilsworkn would make mojo gui app for barcode scanning service Dec 11 18:43:22 never mind, there is a c lib Dec 11 18:43:24 http://www.libdmtx.org/ Dec 11 18:43:33 there is also a python port. Dec 11 18:45:11 oilsworkn: if you write the service i will write the mojo app, lol Dec 11 18:45:21 lol Dec 11 18:56:35 etwork: anything reticulated or decussated, with interstices between the intersections Dec 11 18:56:35 from the Dictionary of Samuel Johnson Dec 11 18:56:42 Network: * Dec 11 19:13:03 hi, a question about upstart again: if i stop my daemon using upstart it keeps the process running, i can kill it manually then but this is not sufficient. what would happen on an update if the old proccess still runs while it has been updated? any hints? Dec 11 19:20:49 stopping via upstart should NOT keep the process running Dec 11 19:21:15 well but it still runs Dec 11 19:21:33 if i kill it however it will not respawned Dec 11 19:21:34 what does your upstart script look like? Dec 11 19:22:08 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=daemons/netstatd.git;a=blob_plain;f=upstart/org.daemon.de.netstatd;hb=HEAD Dec 11 19:23:23 use exec Dec 11 19:23:27 ? Dec 11 19:25:15 take the netstatd out of the script/endscript Dec 11 19:25:21 and use exec with it Dec 11 19:25:25 does webos clear out /tmp on reboot? it seems to except a few folders still dated jun 3 on mine.. (tokens, run, etc?)... should I cleanup small /tmp files I create or reboot handle it? Dec 11 19:25:59 egaudet_work: yes that was the fault, thanks Dec 11 19:26:16 it's tmpfs xorg, so it's stored in volatile memory Dec 11 19:26:31 one of the lights in my office was flickering pretty bad, with no replacements anywhere Dec 11 19:26:40 so now im sitting here in the dark, because its better then flickering light Dec 11 19:26:42 has annyone had problems with the headphone jack Dec 11 19:26:44 k, thx... odd there are some folder dated jun 3 Dec 11 19:27:17 sloppyjm: everyone does Dec 11 19:27:48 i've got no problems with the jack works very well Dec 11 19:27:52 oil: is their a way to fix it ? like a patch maybe an overide Dec 11 19:28:12 cuz its pissen me off to use speakerphone all the time Dec 11 19:29:15 step 1: start playing music Dec 11 19:29:30 ok Dec 11 19:29:31 step 2: plug and unplug headphones till the music pauses on tis own Dec 11 19:29:46 step 3: press play to see if music comes out back speaker Dec 11 19:29:53 if it doesnt, see step 1 Dec 11 19:30:20 i have another problem with the wakeup function, i set it up in setup() of the mainscene to reload it every 5 minutes, in the function which does the reload (DisplayStats() i set up another call to wakeup like this: this.wakeupTaskId = this.controller.window.setTimeout(this.wakeupFunction, 300000); this works but it reloads the function twice Dec 11 19:31:54 if the alarm is waking it up as well as the timeout, then that's 2 Dec 11 19:34:55 egaudet_work: so how do i fix it? Dec 11 19:36:30 debilater, nevermind I looked at source code Dec 11 19:36:49 you are calling showStats() in setup() which will call displaystats and set up your timeout, and then also in setup you set up your timeout Dec 11 19:37:27 egaudet_work: damn :) Dec 11 19:37:51 looks to me you can just call ShowStats() after the wakeupFunction bind Dec 11 19:37:53 and then it should all work Dec 11 19:38:11 moving ShowStats() to replace the setTimeout() in setup() Dec 11 19:38:19 yes thats right Dec 11 19:52:27 dBsooner, ping Dec 11 20:26:37 Can you point me in the direction of simplified instructions for installation and use....I especially want to know what not to do (or what to do) so that I don't mess up my phone. I have read about people having problems when they do the web os updates from palm...some kind of conflict Dec 11 20:27:36 sudulce for installing preware? Dec 11 20:27:53 yes please Dec 11 20:28:20 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/215339-getting-started-preware-post2040315.html Dec 11 20:28:28 those are the very best instructions we have as of right now Dec 11 20:29:20 is it possible to write apps which use the GPU yet? as in 3d accelerated ? Dec 11 20:29:39 Rick Thanks! Dec 11 20:30:01 linuxjacques not yet Dec 11 20:30:07 perhaps VERY soon but not yet. Dec 11 20:30:24 zsoc has been working with various individuals to get to that. Dec 11 20:30:27 Rick_work: so it is planned? that's great! Dec 11 20:30:37 way more than planned. Dec 11 20:30:43 It's just that it's actually hard. Dec 11 20:31:44 tow biggest problems: Battery life and heat. Dec 11 20:32:00 will an opengl API be exposed? or something else? opengl ES ? Dec 11 20:32:42 Rick_work: yeah, it's easy to forget we're dealing with a tiny device with limited battery power Dec 11 20:33:09 heat asn in uncomfortable to hold, or as in getting too hot for the phone to function ? Dec 11 20:34:19 hello from Milano Dec 11 20:37:46 hello gine Dec 11 20:37:51 oops, hello gino Dec 11 20:41:32 nice to meet you all Dec 11 20:42:03 I am very curious about smartphones Dec 11 20:42:28 and the Preo is not yet officially available in Italy Dec 11 20:43:10 as a complete novice about WebOS, I wonder if there's a sort of jailbreak community, iphone like, for the Pre Dec 11 20:44:32 gino: have you looked at http://www.webos-internals.org/ ? Dec 11 20:45:09 actually, not :S Dec 11 20:45:21 gino: you might also install the SDK from palm, it contains an emulator, you can use it to try it out Dec 11 20:45:34 oh, this is very good Dec 11 20:45:42 i did that before bying Dec 11 20:45:57 debilater, this is very interesting, thank you very much Dec 11 20:45:59 so i knew how to root it and stuff before even owning one :) Dec 11 20:46:19 lol "root" Dec 11 20:46:29 ahah Dec 11 20:46:29 there's no "rooting" a pre, only logging in Dec 11 20:46:46 Mousey: enabling developer mode, yeah Dec 11 20:47:12 do you even have to do that? i mean novacomd+usb cable+novaterm=root prompt Dec 11 20:47:50 if you want to use ssh to login you have to yes Dec 11 20:47:55 egaudet_work: pong Dec 11 20:48:00 oil: ping Dec 11 20:49:00 * debil_away is away [receiving transmission.../l:on] Dec 11 20:58:53 whee. :-| Dec 11 21:00:13 ridin the netsplit roller coaster! Dec 11 21:01:10 urk. :-S Dec 11 21:05:02 yea you can't novaterm without dev mode on Dec 11 21:05:07 dBsooner, I figured what I'm going to do Dec 11 21:05:30 are there multiple know hardware revisions of the Pre? and what was changed? and how to identify them? Dec 11 21:06:06 build into the packages a package_list in the app dir which lists the packages that the patch touches. Then use those names to search those specific .md5sums Dec 11 21:06:47 then install will compile a md5sums file into the app directory Dec 11 21:06:59 so we get speed, correctness and robust Dec 11 21:09:04 gl would be awesome Dec 11 21:24:07 oil: just listened to the palmcast, apparently shopsavvy isnt doing an app because the camera service only returns a pic every 5 seconds? or something else slow like that. Dec 11 21:38:38 hi all Dec 11 21:58:47 * linuxjacques begins to feel motion-sick. Dec 11 21:59:15 this is almost as bad as the great freenode-quake of 2004. Dec 11 22:05:40 lol Dec 11 22:07:48 oilsworkn: did you make the download count in app catalog patch? Dec 11 22:07:59