**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 12 02:59:57 2009 Dec 12 03:00:12 yup Dec 12 03:00:20 WillJitsu: I might try to doctor, but that's just me Dec 12 03:00:40 destinal: ugh Dec 12 03:01:08 this thing is brand new. powered it on and immediately updated to 1.3.1. Dec 12 03:01:14 you'd still doctor it? Dec 12 03:01:18 WillJitsu: yeah, it's pretty extreme. contacting palm / sprint support is probably the right answer, but to me, more frustrating Dec 12 03:01:58 and it might not even fix it, I'm just the nuke it from orbit mindset, rebuild my PC's at least yearly, etc Dec 12 03:02:06 yeha Dec 12 03:02:07 yeah* Dec 12 03:07:28 that's two people in a row with that issue Dec 12 03:09:36 is there a contact # for Palm support? Dec 12 03:09:43 or is it all just forums? Dec 12 03:14:00 Is it still doing it? I couldn't pull up the app store earlier tonight. Might just be one of those times they are working on it. Dec 12 03:14:50 LurkerXXX_: yep. I load it up, click Recent, and it says 213 in the top right hand corner. Dec 12 03:16:53 maybe it thinks you are canadian :) Dec 12 03:17:00 maybe so Dec 12 03:17:07 is yours displaying correctly right now? Dec 12 03:17:13 719 Dec 12 03:17:20 ugh. guess I'm gonna doctor Dec 12 03:17:24 can't think of anything else to do Dec 12 03:18:37 WillJitsu: I JUST went thru that same thing. Dec 12 03:18:51 I went thru Palm's chat support Dec 12 03:19:00 Here's what they had me do... Dec 12 03:19:27 Backup your profile. Dec 12 03:19:39 Backup anything you've copied by USB. Dec 12 03:19:54 Go to Deviceinfo, do a partial erase. Dec 12 03:20:43 restore the profile. You'll have to re-enter account passwords for gmail, etc. Dec 12 03:21:04 When it comes back, you should have 716 apps in the catalog. At least, that worked for me. Dec 12 03:21:20 when I say JUST, I mean like an hour ago. Dec 12 03:22:12 I THINK the problem stems from restoring a 1.3.1 profile onto a 1.2.1 device. Dec 12 03:22:41 haeffb_: ah ok. well I've already started the doctor process so I'll arrive at the same solution eventually :) Dec 12 03:23:23 haeffb_: but yeah, that makes sense. no way to upgrade to 1.3.1 before loading the profile Dec 12 03:26:33 dummy profile Dec 12 03:26:47 i lost all my contacts getting a replacement pre :( Dec 12 03:27:02 cloud ftl Dec 12 03:27:05 egaudet: why didn't you say that BEFORE we got our replacements activated. Dec 12 03:27:26 all my contacts are googled. Dec 12 03:27:35 I forgot to use my psychic abilities :p Dec 12 03:28:03 yea i'm not trusting their cloud anymore, i'm still waiting on a "specialists" team to contact me to retrieve my lost contacts Dec 12 03:29:45 IMO that should at least be part of their refurb process or somewhere along the line before giving us replacements Dec 12 03:29:52 they should use a dummy profile to update to latest version Dec 12 03:42:49 if I want to do in a for loop basename `grep -l something *` .list in a makefile target, how do I Dec 12 03:47:50 doesn't doctoring delete all data on the usb portion? Dec 12 03:47:57 not anymore Dec 12 03:48:03 oh Dec 12 03:48:09 I was extremely confused there Dec 12 06:05:20 Added a transition to the http://preware.org/ site (even though it only has 2 pages). Dec 12 06:13:18 hi all Dec 12 06:14:23 Hello. Dec 12 06:14:24 yo Dec 12 06:16:04 anyone here know git commands well? Dec 12 06:16:39 I know.. git clone :p Dec 12 06:16:44 just like svn man Dec 12 06:16:51 man git Dec 12 06:17:06 wish there was a man life Dec 12 06:17:49 JayCanuck: Just install TortoiseGit, just like svn. Dec 12 06:20:02 * Templarian doesn't know where he would be without TortoiseGit, and TortoiseSVN, oh yea typing long dumb commands into a box like it was 1990. Dec 12 06:20:37 Hmm. Dec 12 06:24:01 get a real irc client and stick around Jason! Dec 12 06:26:02 lol. Dec 12 06:26:25 :P Ok time to sleep Dec 12 13:34:05 ok, next mobi.optware package is going to either by inadyn or ez-ipupdate Dec 12 13:35:46 inadyn is 23K installed, ez-ipupdate is 40K installed Dec 12 14:34:58 hi guys! just got my touchstone and am now thinking about writing a patch for the loading screen Dec 12 14:35:33 (so that it displays something more than the time for example an agenda Dec 12 14:37:10 any idea on where to look for the javascript of that particular part? (the loading screen) Dec 12 16:12:21 hello Dec 12 16:13:54 i've got a mojo.depot/palmdatabase.db3 question: i write a value to the db using simpleadd() method and retrieve it later using get(), this works. however, i want the fetch the value from the db using sqlite3 but i cannot find it in the database, where are such values stored? Dec 12 16:28:33 ok, got it myself: properties are stored in separate databases, /var/palm/data/file_.var.usr.palm.applications.org.daemon.de.netstat_0/000000000000001e.db in my case, and i can fetch a value using simple sql like select p.value from properties as p, toc as t where t.key = "startday" and t.id = p.frowid; Dec 12 16:30:44 cool Dec 12 16:37:03 any idea on where to find the code for the touchstone-standby-screen? like the one that displays the clock.. Dec 12 18:02:37 * debilater is away [receiving transmission.../l:on] Dec 12 18:14:13 Hi Dec 12 18:14:26 Anyone know of a good tethering app for the latest version of WebOS? Dec 12 18:21:57 * debilater is back [/bin/back/gone: 19m19s] Dec 12 18:42:16 what? Dec 12 18:42:44 * debilater is back [/bin/back] Dec 12 19:58:34 howdy Dec 12 20:44:55 can the headphone jack be used for a aux input at all? Dec 12 21:13:54 no one? Dec 12 21:15:12 yes Dec 12 21:21:46 Can anyone help me out with removing this patch http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/217494-powersave-smartreflex-550mhz.html I removed it using the proper software but my device is still clocked at 550Mhz. How can I manual remove this patch to return my Pre to normal? Tried asking in the thread but author won't response. Dec 12 21:51:06 Kyusaku: you may consider to webos doctor your pre Dec 12 21:55:47 what about removing /etc/event.d/powersave-smartreflex and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed? Dec 12 21:56:05 I rather not go to the process of webos doctoring yet. Dec 12 21:56:43 and the overclocking doesn't lock up my device at all, the reason I'm removing it is that it just consumes too much battery Dec 12 21:57:17 the patch can make me go through 50% within an hour Dec 12 22:02:49 i don't know this specific patch but it the best way to securely remove it would be the doc Dec 12 22:04:35 Is it mandatory to remove patches before updating webos? Dec 12 22:05:20 having patches or themes installed while you install an update could affect the functionality of the device Dec 12 22:05:48 not to mention trying to remove said patch after the update could also prove troublesome Dec 12 22:07:29 okay. When the next update comes, will I just remove, update, then reinstall the patches? Dec 12 22:07:39 yes Dec 12 22:08:03 it's easy to remove all of them at once using the Emergency Patch Removal patch Dec 12 22:08:57 which is a self-removing patch that removes all patches currently installed Dec 12 22:09:40 Thanks. I love preware. Awesome. Just want to make sure I don't accidentally mess up my pre. Dec 12 22:16:57 Hi Dec 12 22:19:57 any rumous about webos 1.3.5 or whatever number will be the next one? Dec 12 22:25:29 droggen: better off asking in #webos, this channel is about webos-internals projects and support. Dec 12 22:25:45 right Dec 12 22:32:29 I am wondering if there is a way to disable evdo, HSDPA and any data paths to the phone, or a way to make the phone think that it is roaming even though it is not (so that I can use the disable data on roaming feature) Dec 12 22:34:22 I wonder if anybody is planning a 'theme manager' - i.e. a standalone application allowing to change between themes, rather than to rely on preware... Dec 12 22:36:44 AktiveX: install Quick System Tasks Dec 12 22:37:30 Thanks I will look into it Dec 12 22:41:59 what's the bourne again shell lol Dec 12 23:17:23 going back to removing the the smartreflex patch manually, can I just remove the smartreflex script in etc/event.d and use the command "echo 500000 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed" to bring it back to normal? Dec 12 23:20:35 Kyusaku: i would first stop it: stop $name-of-script-in-etc-eventd, then remove it, then set the sysctl value and then maybe reboot Dec 12 23:25:18 Abyssul_wIRC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash Dec 12 23:31:04 morning Dec 12 23:35:01 rwhitby: moin moin Dec 12 23:35:39 Removed the script in /etc/event.d rebooted, seems like it's running ok, did a cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state and stats are looking more normal now. Dec 12 23:35:56 debilater: I added ez-ipupdate to Preware Dec 12 23:36:15 Kyusaku: good Dec 12 23:36:27 rwhitby: what does it do? Dec 12 23:36:39 dynamic dns Dec 12 23:36:57 rwhitby: ah great Dec 12 23:38:00 rwhitby: i'm still fiddling with this weird mojo.depot stuff around, it keeps track of database names and renames them from time to time, very amusing if you want to access such a database from the outside... Dec 12 23:38:14 is it possible to use the headphone jack as an aux input somehow or is it a hardware limit? Dec 12 23:38:47 debilater: yeah, I noticed that in the netstatd script where it keeps incrementing the name Dec 12 23:39:13 rwhitby: oh and i found a webos bug: directly after boot the system time (at least on my phone) is set to some past date, it was set to 10.sep 2009 here, after a few seconds it adjusted to real time Dec 12 23:40:01 very cool if you depend on the date on boot time :) Dec 12 23:40:18 doesn't sound like a bug to me Dec 12 23:40:41 well it may use ntp later i did' dig into it Dec 12 23:40:51 didn't Dec 12 23:40:59 debilater: you need to choose a later event to base your upstart script Dec 12 23:41:13 (after the date has settled) Dec 12 23:41:54 rwhitby: the "start on stopped finish"? instead of finish you mean? Dec 12 23:43:59 debilater: yeah, I don't know if there is a better one than finish though, but that's how you sequence the jobs. Dec 12 23:44:16 I can't actually see where ntp is called Dec 12 23:44:55 rwhitby: haha with ez-ipupdate i could run a webserver on the phone :) Dec 12 23:45:37 I've already run a web server from the pre :p Dec 12 23:46:06 Abyssul: yes, me too, but with dyndns it's reachable by hostname Dec 12 23:46:08 debilater: yep, that's the sort of thing it's designed for Dec 12 23:46:25 I used dyndns Dec 12 23:46:55 Abyssul: ah there's an optware pkg for it? Dec 12 23:48:04 there was a guide that came out like a month after the pre came out that gave instructions how to create a web server on your pre, but I can't remember what it involvrd Dec 13 00:10:15 rwhitby: if i want to update, i have to edit the build makefiles and still have to push a version tag? Dec 13 00:11:22 debilater: yes, push the tag, update the makefile to match, push the makefile Dec 13 00:11:30 then it will be in the feed within 30 mins Dec 13 00:13:37 rwhitby: ok fine Dec 13 00:25:57 wtf - i shut down the phone and it didn't came up, until i opened it, removed the battery, put it in and pushed the button Dec 13 00:31:09 * rwhitby bbl Dec 13 00:40:46 ok, i'll leave now good night everyone (and a nice day, rwhitby overthere in downunder :) ) Dec 13 01:25:26 oil: ping Dec 13 01:44:53 What do people do while they wait for code to compile? The only reference I have is that one xkcd comic where he's standing/riding on a rolling chair with a fake sword Dec 13 01:47:07 zsoc: tweet? facebook? kongregate.com? Dec 13 01:47:27 start an open source project? Dec 13 01:47:40 crap Dec 13 01:47:43 well i don't do the first 2 Dec 13 01:47:49 but the second 2 sound awesome Dec 13 01:48:14 the awesome thing about kongregate is that you get points for playing which makes you play even more Dec 13 01:48:22 I smoke cigs while code compiles Dec 13 01:48:40 prototypic: thats not healthy. you should stop Dec 13 01:48:46 cigarettes kill you. i don't particularly _enjoy_ my life but I'm not interested in dying :P Dec 13 01:48:55 gkatsev: my argument is less direct ;) Dec 13 01:49:10 ya think Dec 13 01:49:15 rwhitby: preware shows oudated screenshots, could u take a look at it? Dec 13 01:49:15 gkatsev: the not awesome thing about kongregate is you're generally the only person over 12 playing any given game Dec 13 01:49:40 debilater: good work btw, your app came together really quick for a 1 man show :) Dec 13 01:50:48 zsoc: thx, but it's hard to figure out the details... Dec 13 01:51:05 debilater: it seems you have them figured out! :> Dec 13 01:52:15 well there are too much workarounds in it yet :-) Dec 13 01:53:12 damn cool being on irc with the phone in bed *g* Dec 13 01:56:20 debilater: very cool, also a little weird for us ;) Dec 13 01:56:27 at least you're not in the bathroom, lol Dec 13 01:57:27 i ve seen a vid of someone putting the pre into water and it survived, so ... ;-) Dec 13 01:57:41 zsoc: i compile more stuff while i wait for stuff to compile Dec 13 01:58:10 PuffTheMagic: that's silly. while you're here, where is that little tar'd package that the sandbox makes when you compile something? Dec 13 01:58:16 lol Dec 13 01:58:30 zsoc: huh what Dec 13 01:58:54 PuffTheMagic: when you cross emerge a package, it installs it, but it also keeps a compressed package of the build Dec 13 01:59:12 oh.. it's in /packages Dec 13 01:59:13 ahaha Dec 13 01:59:14 yeah Dec 13 01:59:15 lol Dec 13 01:59:54 PuffTheMagic: so I don't really have the know-how to compile things outside of emerge.. it's annoying when i want to compile a single plugin :P do i just need a target system and a path to the libs? Dec 13 02:00:10 ah gentoo users... Dec 13 02:00:20 zsoc: make a ebuild for it Dec 13 02:00:33 by modifying one of the existing gst-plugins-* packages Dec 13 02:00:39 debilater: hey, you can hate all you want, for very simple cross compiling tasks it got me set up very quickly :) Dec 13 02:00:47 PuffTheMagic: that's a very good idea Dec 13 02:02:09 zsoc: ack, i'm on freebsd and thats harder sometimes Dec 13 02:02:33 PuffTheMagic: what is the plugin name of the faac element? Dec 13 02:04:12 faac Dec 13 02:04:17 crap Dec 13 02:04:33 odd, the config said it was going to compile faac under 'plugins with external dependencies' Dec 13 02:04:42 i def have it set up right, and no compiling errors. Dec 13 02:05:09 howdy Dec 13 02:05:16 er, well no errors that i saw... where is the log kept? Dec 13 02:05:38 it says at the end of the emerge Dec 13 02:06:22 it only says if it fails lol Dec 13 02:06:43 what areu trying to figure out? Dec 13 02:08:28 why it didn't compile what the config output claimed to want to compile :P Dec 13 02:13:53 maybe try it with an extra_econf Dec 13 02:19:36 oil: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/regression-testing/ Dec 13 02:24:58 that's the start of a regression testing feed for preware Dec 13 02:42:03 good evening Dec 13 02:43:35 PuffTheMagic: how did you build media-libs/faac in sandbox? Or did you emerge it and then build the gst plugin faac against the external dependency? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 13 02:59:57 2009