**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 02:59:56 2009 Dec 14 03:15:28 very little Dec 14 03:15:31 quiet night Dec 14 04:28:49 openssh or dropbear... Dec 14 04:41:43 I received a replacement Palm Pre in the mail a couple of days ago. I've noticed that when I use my bluetooth headset, I hear a bunch of static and crackling noises. This is the same headset I used with my previous Pre. Is it possible that this new phone has something wrong with the bluetooth module in it? Dec 14 05:51:03 * Rick-work off to bed Dec 14 05:53:17 LurkerXXX_: openssh these days Dec 14 05:54:04 rwhitby, I got a pre today. Dec 14 05:57:35 jacques: nice. Dec 14 06:00:10 rwhitby, yeah, I like it. still learning how to use it. Dec 14 06:00:25 I updated it to 1.3.1 at least. Dec 14 06:01:28 well it's midnight here. I gotta head home from a friend's house. I'll be on tomorrow from work. Dec 14 06:01:34 jacques: got the SDK, WebOS Quick Install, and Preware installed? Dec 14 06:02:45 rwhitby, I downloaded the SDK on Friday. The other two I will do tomorrow :-) Dec 14 06:03:05 what's WebOS Quick Install? Dec 14 06:05:35 well, I really gotta head out. ttyl Dec 14 07:33:34 rwhitby: I added a new file to the build.git/scripts on master. It allows you to install/remove a list of packages. It's dependent on ipkgservice already being installed, but otherwise it seems to work "good enough". take a look if you don't mind. I'm off to bed. night! Dec 14 08:29:13 joshua: working on 3d stuff for Pre? Dec 14 08:31:03 hmm not me, do you have me confused with the guy that was taking my nick maybe? heh Dec 14 08:31:41 not sure, your hostname Dec 14 08:32:33 Ahh ok. I'm one of the few on icculus.org that actually doesn't code anything Dec 14 08:35:03 hah ok Dec 14 08:35:24 heard that some 3d driver was being released for Pre Dec 14 08:35:34 no details though Dec 14 08:37:29 Would be nice to have some kind of wrapper for something like SDL on it. At least flash support will be out relatively soon. Dec 14 08:38:22 But I think with the differences in hardware Palm doesn't want app makers to have to make a different application for each device Dec 14 08:46:38 heyho Dec 14 08:57:35 I know, but the 7x27 is only a little less powerful than the tiled sgx, there couod be a way to support the same games on both I think Dec 14 08:57:50 not sure if the newer qdsp hardware is in it though Dec 14 08:57:58 for codecs Dec 14 09:17:25 anyone who already has experience with the touchpanel used in the palm pre? Dec 14 09:17:30 morphis: hi - just updated the Boot Chain wiki page Dec 14 09:17:42 rwhitby: hey Dec 14 09:17:53 morphis: other than seeing the firmware being flashed during Doctor sessions, no. Dec 14 09:18:15 rwhitby: (boot chain wiki page) great Dec 14 09:18:20 morphis: the Pixi bootloader seems to have a different structure Dec 14 09:18:34 rwhitby: I already looked a bit closer at the bootloader to find similiarties with u-boot Dec 14 09:19:04 but I think it's developed by palm (with boring some code somewhere) Dec 14 09:19:19 morphis: geist wrote it Dec 14 09:19:30 rwhitby: maybe, cause it's another processor Dec 14 09:19:40 geist is a palm developer? Dec 14 09:20:09 yes? Dec 14 09:20:20 ok Dec 14 09:20:25 morphis: yes, and sometimes hangs out in here Dec 14 09:20:38 great Dec 14 09:21:36 rwhitby: currently I investigating a little bit of my time in writing a plugin for tslib for the cy8mrln device used in the pre Dec 14 09:24:03 morphis: how is the freesmartphone.org challenge going? Dec 14 09:24:39 rwhitby: currently we are stucked with the modem protocol Dec 14 09:24:53 rwhitby: it seems to be more complex as we thought initially Dec 14 09:25:20 rwhitby: I don't worked on this the last weeks Dec 14 09:25:44 rwhitby: tried first to boot my own initramfs with running some e17 gui Dec 14 09:26:29 oil: so I have some regression tests in place now - did you see the available other issue in Trac? Dec 14 09:27:18 rwhitby: but I will work on the modem in the week berfore chrismas and maybe after chrismas is over :) Dec 14 09:27:50 no, i didnt Dec 14 09:31:04 root@qemux86:/var/etc/ipkg# cat regression-testing-1.0.0.conf Dec 14 09:31:05 src/gz regression-testing-1.0.0 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/regression-testing/1.0.0 Dec 14 09:31:24 oil: use that, and a similar one for 2.0.0, to access the regression testing feed Dec 14 09:32:38 Do anyone know if the blue z program is coming out? Dec 14 09:32:55 oil: then you can install from 1.0.0 feed, disable 1.0.0 and enable 2.0.0, and test upgrades Dec 14 09:33:03 it works? Dec 14 09:33:32 oil: I've only done simple tests so far Dec 14 09:33:38 ??? Dec 14 09:34:12 gogoyubari: a little more context is needed for your question Dec 14 09:35:52 oil: but the mechanism for testing works Dec 14 09:36:25 well thats good :) Dec 14 09:36:54 btw: the only way type-to-search will work from the main scene is to include all the code from the list scene in the main scene Dec 14 09:37:02 the scene swap isn't fast enough Dec 14 09:37:11 and if you type 123456 from the main scene Dec 14 09:37:20 you get to the filter list with 15 in the search box Dec 14 09:39:04 Good night guys Dec 14 10:37:02 morphis: the pixie cpu is somewhat different, so bootie has different stuff Dec 14 10:37:09 but it's the same bootloader, just compiled differently Dec 14 10:40:37 somebody gonna put android on the pre, cause that would be fun. heh Dec 14 10:41:42 should be pretty easy to do Dec 14 10:54:36 Hey guys - I have a question about patches: I created a new patch that has an accompanying image file - how can I submit this patch? The patch submission web page only handles diff files. Dec 14 11:30:39 ping Dec 14 11:31:13 geist: ah good to know Dec 14 11:31:31 geist: are you also involved in modem stuff at Palm? Dec 14 11:44:37 Geist! Dec 14 11:44:48 whatever happened the the nvidia hostmask from palm employees? Dec 14 11:45:06 Jun 15 09:20:06 * amirf (n=amirfren@searspoint.nvidia.com) has joined #webos-internals Dec 14 11:45:12 since then, never again Dec 14 18:12:42 Anybody have jstop running? Dec 14 18:14:00 i do Dec 14 18:15:01 You made any phone calls? Dec 14 18:15:12 yes, ive made phone calls Dec 14 18:15:44 How many phone processes do you have running? Dec 14 18:16:19 hm... not sure. i have that pid:9999 bug. Dec 14 18:17:05 Mkay thanks for trying. For some reason after I make a few phone calls 5 phone processes keep running Dec 14 18:17:16 And they won't die Dec 14 18:17:37 hm, weird Dec 14 18:17:42 does that happen always? Dec 14 18:18:21 It looks like it. Imma run the doctor on it and see what's up Dec 14 19:05:42 my car stereo has an aux port in the front and I'm using a wire and I wondered if anyone here has gotten that to work over bluetooth with an aftermarket kit? Dec 14 19:06:04 I figure you have to sacrifice some sound quality to do pandora over bluetooth... Dec 14 19:06:09 but the lack of a wire seems worth it Dec 14 19:10:01 jettero: i dont think the lack of wire would be worth it Dec 14 19:11:22 you could be right... Dec 14 19:11:28 I still wanna try it Dec 14 19:11:44 I mostly listen to podcasts like the naked scientists... sound quality isn't really an issue, but the wire is damned irritating Dec 14 19:12:19 I agree. My christmas present to myself is going to be a low-end sony aftermarket car stereo with bluetooth built in. Dec 14 19:13:50 jettero: naked scientists is awesome. Dec 14 19:22:25 gkatsev: yes Dec 14 19:22:42 Rick_work: I was thinking of that, but then I have to have it installed and soforth Dec 14 19:22:55 (my days of taking apart my dashboard like a 20yo are way past) Dec 14 19:23:20 probably worth it Dec 14 19:23:52 I also want a touchstone gadget designed for the car... Dec 14 19:24:15 there's plenty of phone holders, but no touchstone endpoints designed for use in a car, that makes no sense to me Dec 14 19:24:35 yeah, in car touchstone would be great Dec 14 19:25:05 there's plenty of DIY articles where people mounted a regular old desktop touchstone to the dash Dec 14 19:25:20 it always looks pretty DIY though Dec 14 19:25:30 is that bad? Dec 14 19:25:46 not necessarily Dec 14 19:25:57 but until I get to the bluetooth phase, it doesn't make much sense to go without one wire and not the other Dec 14 19:26:16 in the mean time, I need something to attach to my leg to hold the fckr so I can drive with two hands Dec 14 19:26:53 you should mount a touchstone in the center of the steering wheel, lol Dec 14 19:28:04 lol Dec 14 19:28:50 hahaha Dec 14 19:28:58 I'd get in accidents while trying to read it on a turn Dec 14 19:32:52 or mount it on the left/right side, so, you could control it with your thumb Dec 14 21:05:36 Wow.. What a QUIET day/weekend it's been in #webos-internals. Dec 14 21:07:37 * gkatsev yells in dBsooner's ear. "QUIET ENOUGH FOR YOU?" Dec 14 21:10:38 maybe it's the calm before the storm Dec 14 21:11:18 busy today? Dec 14 21:22:46 no Dec 14 21:55:08 morning Dec 14 21:55:12 gasp Dec 14 21:55:16 SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING! Dec 14 21:55:30 howdy rwhitby Dec 14 21:55:35 something Dec 14 21:55:39 rwhitby: you get my pm's and subsequent message to the channel last night/this morning? Dec 14 21:56:07 it was last night.. so it would have been afternoon/evening for you Dec 14 21:56:15 yep Dec 14 21:57:03 rwhitby morning to you. Did you get a chance to read over the intro piece? Dec 14 21:57:29 i was thinking about having my install-remove-packs.sh script do a search of the ipkg -o list to determine that all the packs you have in your are installable by ipkg service. Dec 14 21:57:31 Rick_work: I started, but didn't get finished. It reads very well. Dec 14 21:57:40 and cut those out that aren't compatible. Dec 14 21:57:53 but I don't know if it's worth all that trouble or not. Dec 14 22:03:36 i was also going to have it check deps Dec 14 22:03:48 But again, I don't think it would really be worth all the trouble. Dec 14 22:39:58 has anyone see this scenario where the app catalog update thinks you need an update for an app even though you have the latest version install? Dec 14 22:40:35 I was checking the app catalog for updates when it said an update for card ace is available but did not offer me an upgrade button. strange. Dec 14 22:50:53 Rick_work: ! Dec 14 22:52:08 here Dec 14 22:52:43 take your cold weather back Dec 14 22:52:54 you're making Oklahoma turn into Kansas. Dec 14 22:53:01 ha Dec 14 22:53:59 it's 17f here, you got 34. It's not even freezing yet Dec 14 22:54:03 what are you complaining about? Dec 14 22:54:21 Plus, it's snowing Dec 14 22:54:58 whatever Dec 14 22:55:01 its no 34 here Dec 14 22:55:08 tonights low is like -100F Dec 14 22:55:32 tulsa airport says 34f 1c. Dec 14 22:56:00 low tonight 18f Dec 14 22:57:45 pfft.. that's the airport Dec 14 22:57:49 it's always wrong Dec 14 22:58:00 it doesn't factor in where I am at in the boonies. Dec 14 23:00:29 you working out in the eastern boonies out towards broken arrow? Dec 14 23:01:38 mohawk to bixby, oakridge to broken arrow, the range of on-line reporrting stations runs from 31 to 33. :-) Dec 14 23:02:01 5 to 10 mph winds. Dec 14 23:02:36 little freezing drizzle over towards harvy young airport and points east.... Dec 14 23:04:54 really? that thing is way out dated then Dec 14 23:04:58 cuz it sure looks sunny.. Dec 14 23:05:04 weird. Dec 14 23:05:06 but C-O-L-D Dec 14 23:05:09 that's current noaa radar Dec 14 23:05:28 i live about 5 miles east of Harvy young Dec 14 23:05:43 harvy young is a tiny little airport Dec 14 23:06:13 actually, 1.5 miles south and 3.6 miles east Dec 14 23:06:16 http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=39.01564026&lon=-95.69744110&zoom=10&pin=Topeka,%20KS Dec 14 23:07:58 show off Dec 14 23:08:09 * zsoc suggests people read the webos-internals log to find out where dBsooner lives Dec 14 23:08:16 Take your Mark Mangino quittin team and go home. :D Dec 14 23:08:47 zsoc: if you can't google me by now and find out everything you ever wanted to know about me, then you are unaware of the powers of the internet. Dec 14 23:08:54 all you need is someones name these days. Dec 14 23:09:15 My name won't get you far, but maybe because i'm rather anti-social-networking Dec 14 23:09:59 has nothing to do with social-networking Dec 14 23:10:08 public records, court dockets, birth-death records Dec 14 23:10:11 all available online Dec 14 23:10:12 census records Dec 14 23:10:34 phone books, skip-trace records, etc. Dec 14 23:11:11 even contacting the major reporting credit beureau can get you the last known address. :D Dec 14 23:11:18 Eh, requires effort. Dec 14 23:11:29 not for stalkers. Dec 14 23:11:47 Clearly you've proven yourself. Dec 14 23:12:05 nope. I have just had to track people down before. Dec 14 23:12:22 It was a job requirement at a previous employment. I will never be in that business again. Dec 14 23:13:33 right right, ok ;) Dec 14 23:13:35 Collections? Dec 14 23:13:43 yeah.. that and Repo's. Dec 14 23:14:02 pay's good.. but you can'gt have a heart. Dec 14 23:14:27 dBsooner: heart's ok, it's the soul that you gotta hang at the door ;) Dec 14 23:14:30 i learned a lot though. was fun in college.. but I could never do it as a living. Dec 14 23:15:04 i had to do a mobile home repo one time.. with the family still inside. Dec 14 23:15:47 had to call the police to have the family basicallyt thrown out onto the street so we could pull it away. Dec 14 23:15:55 talk about hard pills to swallow. Dec 14 23:16:00 That's pretty much the worst thing I've ever heard. Dec 14 23:16:02 You are a bad person. Dec 14 23:16:08 :> Dec 14 23:16:13 Just kidding, sorry, I couldn't resist. Dec 14 23:17:18 I felt that way.. Dec 14 23:17:22 Cars and junk are cake. Dec 14 23:17:29 most of those you get without confrontation. Dec 14 23:18:00 but man.. home siezures, mobile home's, rv's, etc.. not as easy. Dec 14 23:18:18 and then collections.. Wow.. the stories you hear on why they can't pay. Dec 14 23:38:37 * rwhitby is wondering whether novacom can be transmitted over TCP-IP, to allow for sdk scripts to operate over WiFi when the Pre is on the touchstone ... Dec 14 23:40:48 i think its time to reflash Dec 14 23:41:57 en0x: like at the park? Dec 14 23:42:37 rwhitby: novacom can _probably_ work over TCP-IP, if you either hack it or confuse it to death Dec 14 23:43:02 zsoc: novacom -a ftw Dec 14 23:43:14 does the develmode app unhide work on 1.3.1 ? Dec 14 23:43:16 now, to get the port 6968 packets flowing Dec 14 23:43:24 linuxjacques: meta-doctor Dec 14 23:43:31 rwhitby: well will you look at that Dec 14 23:43:45 rwhitby: OK I already have that page open, haven't read it all yet :-) Dec 14 23:44:26 linuxjacques: you will want to git clone the meta-doctor, and modify the variables at the top. Increase your /var space for email and optware packages, and set dev mode on by default. Dec 14 23:44:32 (and leave it on) Dec 14 23:45:00 linuxjacques: if you've got real sprint service, comment out the activation bypass stuff Dec 14 23:45:14 rwhitby: yeah, I was going to say, novacom already works over IP, the emulator uses it Dec 14 23:46:41 rwhitby: I assume devel mode is locked down so arbitrary people cannot access my pre ? Dec 14 23:47:05 linuxjacques: yeah, all instructions on webos-internals.org leave a secure Pre by default Dec 14 23:47:52 howdy Dec 14 23:47:52 linuxjacques: I'd like you to try out the Preware OpenSSH flow, don't follow the wiki NextSteps or Optware pages. Dec 14 23:48:12 linuxjacques: my recommendation for you is: Dec 14 23:48:22 1) Meta-Doctor with 2GB /var and dev mode on Dec 14 23:48:32 2) http://install.preware.org Dec 14 23:48:50 3) Install OpenSSH SFTP Service (it will pull in all the deps you need) Dec 14 23:48:52 4) Profit Dec 14 23:49:12 you forgot the ??? Dec 14 23:49:26 5) for extra profit, use Preware to install ipkg-opt, and then revel in optware packages Dec 14 23:49:40 6) send me your ssh key for git.webos-internals.org Dec 14 23:49:57 apparently here at work I have no data service. it's a sprint service hole. Dec 14 23:50:36 my pre is going between zero to full bars in one swoops every 5 seconds... Dec 14 23:50:46 I'm roaming now. and no wifi either. they don't allow that here. Dec 14 23:51:34 rwhitby: OK I'll have to get my ssh key from my personal laptop at some point. Dec 14 23:52:15 (copying down those steps now) Dec 14 23:53:38 hmm, hadn't realized it's so late. I get to go home in about 45 minutes. Dec 14 23:53:58 where I have full bars of EVDO Dec 14 23:55:21 I sit like a quarter a mile from a tower and I get 1-2 bars from my room lol yet if I go outside its 5. cmda ftl Dec 14 23:56:16 Abyssul: :-( yeah Dec 14 23:56:26 * linuxjacques goes to try outside **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 23:56:40 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 23:57:06 2009 Dec 14 23:57:20 I sit like a quarter a mile from a tower and I get 1-2 bars from my room lol yet if I go outside its 5. cmda ftl Dec 14 23:58:14 Abyssul: :-( yeah Dec 14 23:58:39 * linuxjacques goes to try outside Dec 14 23:58:56 linuxjacques: if it's the same key from nslu2-linux.org days, I can copy it across from there Dec 14 23:59:29 is linuxjacques a new developer for webos-internals? Dec 15 00:01:49 nice\n Dec 15 00:01:51 Abyssul: linuxjacques is a colleague of mine from nslu2-linux.org for almost 5 years. Dec 15 00:01:51 he's an experienced linux userspace, toolchain and kernel developer. Dec 15 00:01:52 I love him already :p Dec 15 00:02:19 so he's another aussy? Dec 15 00:02:20 nope Dec 15 00:03:28 rwhitby: I loved the thread about prewares plans Dec 15 00:03:36 back. I found which side of the building to stand on to get good EVDO. unfortunately, inside is not good - big metal warehouse type building. Dec 15 00:04:37 haha. I have to turn off data when I go to school because my pre loses 30 percent a hour because it can't find a connection. Dec 15 00:04:53 rwhitby: heh, thanks for the compliments. while we're at it, I will say that rwhitby is probably the best open source project leader I've ever worked with. Dec 15 00:05:10 * rwhitby blushes Dec 15 00:05:13 Constantly running the radios in low reception is a battery killer Dec 15 00:05:32 Abyssul: yeah I noticed the battery life was going down fast when I got here. Dec 15 00:06:14 chrisa: good news - the GSM Pre GPS works fine in the Southern Hemisphere. Dec 15 00:06:18 get the data connection patch :p Dec 15 00:06:34 so much to learn :-) I love it. Dec 15 00:06:40 cmda still screwy? Dec 15 00:06:42 rwhitby: Isn't gps supposed to work everywhere? :) Dec 15 00:07:27 I tried it once on the dark side of the moon and it didn't work. Dec 15 00:07:38 chrisa: the GPS on a Sprint CDMA Pre doesn't work for me in the Southern Hemisphere Dec 15 00:08:39 it says my lattitude is 394 degrees. Dec 15 00:08:49 interesting number of degrees Dec 15 00:09:03 does it have to do with connection to the towers? Dec 15 00:09:03 Have you checked to make sure you were in fact not at 394 degrees? Maybe the whole system is wrong Dec 15 00:09:17 yes, especially since lattitude only goes -90 to +90 ... Dec 15 00:09:26 I said the "whole system" Dec 15 00:09:40 Abyssul: not many Sprint towers in the southern hemisphere ;-) Dec 15 00:09:46 * zsoc wonders what dimension rod is in... Dec 15 00:10:18 * rwhitby still has to work out how to get the ##GPS# screen on the GSM Pre ... Dec 15 00:11:07 rwhitby: minus one 360 and you are at 394! :) Dec 15 00:11:08 only one dimension ? Dec 15 00:11:52 * rwhitby just got emacs's dired-mode on the Mac to connect to the Pre over wifi :-) Dec 15 00:11:54 well 394 mod 360 I mean Dec 15 00:11:55 34 Dec 15 00:13:04 are we allowed to discuss tethering here? Dec 15 00:13:53 * linuxjacques doesn't know if the Sprint ToS forbids it. Dec 15 00:14:17 rwhitby: do we know that the GPS chip doesn't report South latitudes as ° + 360 ? Dec 15 00:14:33 linuxjacques: you're tethering with your O2 webos device Dec 15 00:14:49 maybe it's only capable of positive numbers Dec 15 00:15:51 zsoc: is that a question? I'm not currently doing it but it would be useful to me. Dec 15 00:16:41 linuxjacques: no it's a statement, Sprint doesn't care because we're discussing tethering on your O2 Pre, in Germany Dec 15 00:17:25 zsoc: pre newbie here - what does the "O2" mean? Dec 15 00:17:56 oh, I think I begin to understand... :-) Dec 15 00:18:13 * linuxjacques can be slow sometimes. Dec 15 00:18:22 * zsoc takes back the facepalm he was about to do Dec 15 00:18:27 lol Dec 15 00:18:43 what is this "Sprint" of which you speak? Dec 15 00:18:50 It's ok, a lot of us forget the name of our cellphone provider. I can say that for a fact. Dec 15 00:18:54 regardless, now that there are legal unlocked devices, we can talk about doing NAT routing access points and other fun things. Dec 15 00:19:11 the answer is apparently freetether, though I've never used it. Dec 15 00:19:26 freetether is a secret evil myth, it doesn't exist. Dec 15 00:20:09 hm.. my linksys router is only 200mhz. Dec 15 00:21:00 I see meta-doctor has dirs for 1.3.5 - is that out? only for beta testers right now? Dec 15 00:21:32 linuxjacques: that's an evil myth also Dec 15 00:21:46 :-P Dec 15 00:21:55 sounds like a conspiracy to me Dec 15 00:21:58 evil myths are the best Dec 15 00:23:45 haha Dec 15 00:31:27 well, time for me to head home. where I have very bad internet. but good EVDO. hmm. Dec 15 00:32:13 linuxjacques: if you have approved early access to new webOS versions from palm, you can use the meta-doctor with what you get from Palm under NDA. I can't say more than that :-) Dec 15 00:32:17 linuxjacques: life is all about sacrifices Dec 15 00:33:06 and food. I have food at home. Dec 15 00:33:55 needs more trees Dec 15 00:36:19 everytime i try to download an app in the catalog - it says "download canceled" at the bottom and goes to app catalog not avaliable Dec 15 00:36:23 why does this happen? Dec 15 00:37:03 liberals Dec 15 00:37:21 LOL Dec 15 00:37:22 rwhitby: so, what's still on your list of stuff that your pre needs or wants? I didn't think we quite finished it up (though obviously enough that you can use it as your primary device now) Dec 15 00:37:46 rwhitby: still working on your voice recorder :P Dec 15 00:38:23 What we really need is an easy bake oven app. Dec 15 00:39:30 ird: nah, a beer app. but making the beer actually work is the tricky part Dec 15 00:39:47 destinal: I'm getting pretty close to good. I do need a bus timetable app to replace NxT from PalmOS. Dec 15 00:40:37 eeewwww public transportation Dec 15 00:41:06 man, I'm loving being able to use emacs on the mac to access the Pre filesystem directly. Dec 15 00:41:30 eeewwww emacs Dec 15 00:41:33 :P Dec 15 00:41:35 ewwwww macs Dec 15 00:43:04 rwhitby: does it use ssh? and if so, sshfs or some internal feature among legion? :) Dec 15 00:44:05 destinal: http://www.gnu.org/software/tramp/ - uses ssh Dec 15 00:44:12 aha Dec 15 00:44:48 destinal: install preware, install openssh sftp server from Preware, add your authorized_keys file, and bingo - you're done. Dec 15 00:45:18 I love how the wifi stays connected when on the touchstone. Dec 15 00:46:36 ah, bummer. M-x grep doesn't work over tramp :-( Dec 15 00:47:43 somehow anything with grepping and tramps sounds wrong Dec 15 00:47:51 ahaha Dec 15 00:48:01 yeah, I was just about to say that Dec 15 00:48:06 try finger Dec 15 00:48:12 nooo Dec 15 00:48:19 finger tramps for a grep is bad Dec 15 00:48:45 no use a pipe for grepping Dec 15 00:49:57 Looking in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/models/DialStringParser.js, it seems that the PoundGPSAssistant is only available for CDMA. Let's see if we can make a patch for that using Emacs ... Dec 15 00:50:02 Last time I grepped anything I got slapped. Dec 15 00:53:22 interesting host mask Dec 15 00:53:51 mainya: they hack a cdma pre in Japan? Dec 15 00:54:07 zsoc: yeah, there's lots of that Dec 15 00:54:09 china too Dec 15 00:54:25 rwhitby: seriously? wow Dec 15 00:54:55 irc supports utf8 right? Dec 15 00:56:22 mainya: 日本語ですか Dec 15 00:56:52 oh man, that is the easiest way to test a patch. Just enabled the #*GPS# code in GSM Pre (for some reason, it was only enabled for CDMA). Dec 15 00:57:00 ? Dec 15 00:57:22 edited the file directly in emacs on the laptop via wifi to the Pre, then did a luna restart to test it. Dec 15 00:57:23 mainya: lol, I'm sorry. I'm curious about webos device progress in Japan. Dec 15 00:57:41 rwhitby: works? Dec 15 00:57:46 destinal: yep Dec 15 00:57:49 rwhitby: stop being smart. we all know you're just using this channel as a whiteboard because it's auto-logged :P Dec 15 00:57:51 rwhitby: nice Dec 15 00:58:19 heh - I just know I'm going to have ~ files all over my Pre now ... Dec 15 00:59:08 need to cut out some of the decimal places in the readout - it's a bit messy at the moment Dec 15 00:59:17 any answers to my previous question? Dec 15 00:59:17 everytime i try to download an app in the catalog - it says "download canceled" at the bottom and goes to app catalog not avaliable Dec 15 00:59:34 Decimate: sounds like a #webos question Dec 15 00:59:42 * rwhitby wonders what " '387': DialAction.FTP " does ... Dec 15 01:00:08 Decimate: you can patch that screen to show you the actual error I think Dec 15 01:00:10 rwhitby: did you ever swap your keyboard out ? Dec 15 01:00:20 zsoc: i think you're right - over to #webos! Dec 15 01:00:40 bpadalino: not yet, waiting to get a broken pre so I can practice on that first before hacking on the two working Pres Dec 15 01:00:56 * rwhitby wonders what the correct plural for Pre really is ... Dec 15 01:01:18 i tend to think it's like deer .. Dec 15 01:01:27 a plethora of pre Dec 15 01:01:37 two working pre? Dec 15 01:01:38 Preii (ok, no, but it's funny) Dec 15 01:01:47 doesnt feel right. Dec 15 01:02:15 The plural of Pre is "webOS devices" Dec 15 01:02:42 zsoc: no, because they're not necessarily limited to webos, and they're a subset even if they were Dec 15 01:02:53 that's like saying the plural of apple is fruit Dec 15 01:03:17 No, it would be "Fruit Devices" Dec 15 01:03:18 (I know, smartass) Dec 15 01:03:18 :> Dec 15 01:03:25 <-- Dec 15 01:03:34 * rwhitby will ask @palm .... Dec 15 01:03:55 zsoc: lol Dec 15 01:04:29 I think it would be Pre's Dec 15 01:04:38 rwhitby: ask about pixi too. are they pixi's, pixies, pixi?: Dec 15 01:04:46 pixii? Dec 15 01:04:47 in this case 's wouldn't be possessive because of the vowel ending Dec 15 01:05:11 case DialAction.FTP: TelephonyCommands.launchExternalProgram('ftp'); Dec 15 01:05:42 rwhitby: I think you just blew my mind. Dec 15 01:05:57 an ftp dial action? Dec 15 01:06:02 destinal: yep Dec 15 01:06:06 what is the command-line command to move a folder from one directory to another Dec 15 01:06:31 like.. say i want to move com.palm.app.findapps from /media/internal to the proper directory Dec 15 01:06:44 Decimate: mv Dec 15 01:07:06 rwhitby: also, is that restricted to com.palm programs or does it mean that any mojo app can run any command line as root? Dec 15 01:07:07 destinal: usbpassthrough and collectlogs too. but none of the programs that they call exist. Dec 15 01:07:32 destinal: that's where I'm going right now ... Dec 15 01:07:43 rwhitby: usbpassthrough is real Dec 15 01:08:12 mv /media/internal/com.palm.app.findapps /usr/palm/applications/ seem right? Dec 15 01:08:13 destinal: yes, but it doesn't seem to be on 1.3.1 any more Dec 15 01:08:56 rwhitby: hmm, are we sure it really wants shell programs? there's a com.palm.app.usbpassthrough Dec 15 01:09:33 destinal: ah, yeah - it's an applicationManager open method Dec 15 01:09:57 bummer - I was thinking we could use that for a Preware installer through the app catalog ;-) Dec 15 01:10:11 so that implies that there was a com.palm.app.ftp ?? if so, that's very interesting. Dec 15 01:10:23 yep, it does imply such **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 01:17:43 2009 Dec 15 01:17:48 i just posted something in a dpad thread..wondering if this is possible with relative ease. Dec 15 01:17:48 ah interesting Dec 15 01:17:50 Similar to the virtual keyboard,if there was a virtual dpad that opened by double clicking the left side of the gesture area Dec 15 01:17:57 and yeah that does make it c011ect, I wasn't reading the qwerty pad on the pre hard enough Dec 15 01:18:17 the dpad would have up down left right which can be pressed or held, and it would work in text areas along with the browser Dec 15 01:18:17 possible? Dec 15 01:19:08 oh the qwerty spells it out .. weird! Dec 15 01:19:46 bpadalino: super secret :-) Dec 15 01:19:46 ;) Dec 15 01:21:27 rwhitby: cool, I think that's a one-stop for the privacy paranoid and potentially very useful otherwise Dec 15 01:21:55 destinal: the email logs option is ssl protected in transit. Dec 15 01:22:09 I just read a 30 page thread on japanese 2ch discussing what english words they need to type into youtube to get a certain type of content. I have never been so amused in my life. Dec 15 01:23:00 zsoc: heh, if I spoke a foreign language natively the first thing I would do is learn english. it's like part of the protocol Dec 15 01:23:12 for use of the internet Dec 15 01:24:51 destinal: but that's the best part, these people don't know english, they are just trying to figure out what slang english words get what results, it's just _really_ funny Dec 15 01:25:13