**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 16 02:59:57 2009 Dec 16 03:04:27 is anyone aware of the file structure on the Pre that can help me undestand the 99% on /dev/mapper ..... Dec 16 03:05:56 du is a good tool to find out what takes the most stuff Dec 16 03:06:00 du piped to sort is helpful too Dec 16 03:33:10 du -sh Dec 16 03:44:03 if store-root is 99% full, then something is installing stuff to the wrong place Dec 16 03:45:19 oil: testing preliminary signing support now (checks for the existence of the signature, but doesn't check the validity of the signature yet. Dec 16 03:45:30 egaudet: this will be suitable for your aupt testing Dec 16 03:46:45 hmm, WebOSQuickInstall.jar keeps telling me webosdoctor is already installed when it isn't even downloaded Dec 16 03:47:38 weird - I just put them both in the same dir and it works Dec 16 03:49:08 rwhitby, awesome. Will I be able to easly generate the signatures for already installed packages? Dec 16 03:52:21 egaudet: hmm - no. that would sort of default the whole signing thing :-) Dec 16 03:52:30 s/default/defeat/ Dec 16 03:52:30 rwhitby meant: egaudet: hmm - no. that would sort of defeat the whole signing thing :-) Dec 16 03:52:54 there's gotta be a way for me to trick it :( Dec 16 03:53:32 egaudet: I'll generate the signatures for you, as long as the content of the postinst files haven't changed Dec 16 03:53:46 s/postinst/prerm/ Dec 16 03:53:47 rwhitby meant: egaudet: I'll generate the signatures for you, as long as the content of the prerm files haven't changed Dec 16 03:55:40 egaudet: see /msg Dec 16 03:55:47 dBsooner: feed rebuilt Dec 16 04:03:18 is there a patch that can make all emails plain text, or at least not blue? Dec 16 04:03:28 I see one for replies and forwards, but not new mail. Dec 16 04:19:24 one thing to note: don't try forwarding an email with a 10MB attachment on exchange .. apparently blew everything up for me :( Dec 16 04:45:05 alright I'm going to bed Dec 16 04:48:33 anyone have any ideas, or links to any posts as to why my rootfs is sitting at 99% full....any ideas on what directories to check.... Dec 16 04:49:01 i think someone said to try .. Dec 16 04:49:08 22:33 jauderho: du -sh Dec 16 04:49:21 then here as well: 22:44 rwhitby: if store-root is 99% full, then something is installing stuff to the wrong place Dec 16 04:51:09 mikepre: what does ls -l /opt say? Dec 16 04:52:40 onebin dir = 12288, and then 9 others that show 4096 Dec 16 04:53:50 du -sk /opt/* | sort -n Dec 16 04:54:43 mikepre: mount | grep /opt Dec 16 04:54:58 jacques: I'm checking it /opt is a bind mount or not Dec 16 04:55:25 rwhitby, ah, OK :-) Dec 16 04:55:54 .. /dev/mapper/store-var on /opt type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=ordered) Dec 16 04:57:49 all i have been using to install, is either the app catalog, or preware....and a few patches using WOSQI Dec 16 04:58:04 hello all Dec 16 04:59:35 looking for a bit of help. was applying a patch in WOSQI when my phone froze. now won't boot (stuck on Palm logo). I've got some pictures of my daughter in /media that I'd really like to pull off... any way to get at them? Dec 16 05:00:08 I'm able to get in via novaterm, and am getting some pretty ugly messages in /var/log/messages Dec 16 05:00:18 if you are in novaterm Dec 16 05:00:23 the pictures are in /media/internal Dec 16 05:00:24 enorumous, was it the iphone spoof patch? i tried that one today, and was stuick in the same position..... Dec 16 05:00:34 I believe it was Dec 16 05:00:46 if you have ssh installed you can use winSCP if on windows Dec 16 05:00:56 never installed ssh Dec 16 05:01:24 mikepre: ok, so optware is not to blame Dec 16 05:01:41 did you end up having to Dr it mikepre? if so, was /media/internal wiped/ Dec 16 05:01:43 You can install ssh or you can also tar up /media/intenal and use novacom get command line from your PC, whatever is easiest for you Dec 16 05:01:45 u need to get the file, libWebKitLuna.so, from the webos doctor and replace it in /usr/lib, once I did that I Was back up and runnig Dec 16 05:01:56 also the 1.3.1 doctor I BELIEVE does not wipe out /media/internal/ anymore Dec 16 05:02:10 I didnt have to doctor mine..... Dec 16 05:02:29 nice. I'll hunt down that .so Dec 16 05:02:57 yeah, once I replaced the file, the one on my pre was 0 bytes, with the 7.5MB one and restarted, it all came back Dec 16 05:03:02 enorumous Dec 16 05:03:16 can you run df on your pre and let me know what your rootfs free space is? Dec 16 05:03:39 6.9M Dec 16 05:04:00 I'm at 94% mikepre Dec 16 05:04:13 98% here Dec 16 05:04:42 hmmm, so maybe mine be at 97% is norm? and I am looking at what might not even be an issue here? Dec 16 05:04:55 /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so is 4.1M on my phone Dec 16 05:06:34 6.9 MB from webos doc Dec 16 05:07:24 95% on my pre Dec 16 05:07:59 what is installing stuff in / ? Dec 16 05:08:11 (it's not optware or preware stuff) Dec 16 05:10:33 mikepre: which method did you use to get the .so back on your phone? Dec 16 05:11:56 backup files for patching vsm Dec 16 05:12:25 shouldn't take up more than a few MB I'd guess Dec 16 05:12:44 Hi Dec 16 05:12:46 * PuffTheMagic had some awesome sushi for dinner tonight Dec 16 05:12:47 mmmmmmmmmmmm Dec 16 05:13:03 enourmous: i used winscp method, but you can also use the WebOSRepairUtility.to transfer the one file over Dec 16 05:14:14 WTF firefox thinks filebin.ca is an attack site Dec 16 05:15:30 there we go. had to tell FF to calm down. Dec 16 05:15:32 enormous: so does chromium Dec 16 05:16:00 enormous: you should use ompload Dec 16 05:16:04 I think webos-internals needs a FAQ page. Anyone agree? Dec 16 05:16:16 I'm trying to download the webOSrepair util! Dec 16 05:16:16 enormous: ompload max file is like a gig Dec 16 05:16:20 is that a frequently asked question ? Dec 16 05:16:26 Yup. Dec 16 05:16:30 Jason uses filebin.ca Dec 16 05:16:42 got the file though Dec 16 05:16:50 I've just spent forever trying to upgrade my OS to 1.3.1 Dec 16 05:16:51 just had to uncheck the "attack sites" option in FF Dec 16 05:17:03 The OTA upgrade didn't work Dec 16 05:17:30 I think it was because I had made the display stay on hack. Dec 16 05:17:57 I downloaded webOS doctor from Palm and took forever finding how to make it connect to the device. Dec 16 05:18:21 I finally found it on this site, but I think maybe a newbie like me can put some of the issues on a FAQ Dec 16 05:18:49 CHM: no matter how the wiki is organized its not good enough Dec 16 05:19:20 PuffTheMagic: Kind of like http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_faq_carrier_en.html#N100E0 Dec 16 05:19:33 i think the only solution is to have the wiki fully searchable by google Dec 16 05:20:05 PuffTheMagic: Yes I know. It isn't a criticism. It is just that some nuggets of info are buried in long procedures. Dec 16 05:21:14 too much documentation is too much ? Dec 16 05:21:45 CHM: no I completely agree, its just impossible to organize it in a way that is good for everyone, noobs need certain info, expterts need certain info Dec 16 05:22:12 +PuffTheMagic: Fair enough. It was just a thought. Dec 16 05:22:17 who should get priority? the devs who actually make apps? or the users that complain about the apps? Dec 16 05:22:18 ;) Dec 16 05:22:28 CHM: im not saying dont make a faq Dec 16 05:22:39 CHM: i've thought about reorganizing the wiki 100 times Dec 16 05:23:18 what would be nice is to have 1 system "store" content but be able to have multiple way to organize and display the content Dec 16 05:23:42 PuffTheMagic: OK. Cool. I guess I am just offering some insight as a new user of the site. I'll see if I can explain my experience on a page. Dec 16 05:24:30 CHM: im not disagreeing with you, I can never find what I want on the wiki Dec 16 05:25:04 PuffTheMagic: OK. Nice to chat. Dec 16 05:28:23 i found a few files all named messages.?.gz, with a differetn number, anyone know if those are ok to wipe out? Dec 16 05:28:27 who ever made the 15px font patch for the messenger app should get a cookie Dec 16 05:29:11 damn freenode has been splitting like crazy today Dec 16 05:30:01 denial of service :( Dec 16 05:30:15 DDoS since yesterday right Dec 16 05:35:26 * oil sighs Dec 16 05:37:22 we shoudl seriously move to a network that does not suck Dec 16 05:37:34 lol Dec 16 05:37:39 will a Pre respond to pings on its WWAN port? Dec 16 05:37:51 nope dont think so Dec 16 05:38:06 PuffTheMagic, OK good. because mine isn't Dec 16 05:38:14 lol Dec 16 05:39:26 is this what happens to freenode when all the kiddies are on winter break? Dec 16 05:39:53 its winter break? Dec 16 05:39:59 bout that time Dec 16 05:40:35 colleges are semesters are i believe Dec 16 05:40:38 mikepre: you still here? Dec 16 05:40:39 then HS next week Dec 16 05:40:41 idk Dec 16 05:42:45 fraggle stick car Dec 16 05:43:51 wow. the splits are insane. Dec 16 05:44:08 meh Dec 16 05:45:34 fraggle stick car Dec 16 05:46:43 hi Dec 16 05:46:50 yeah, very crazy splits Dec 16 05:48:00 I heard there was a DDOS going on against freenode, but then that's been happening ever since I've used it Dec 16 05:48:22 would doing a full erase on the Pre do the same thing as running the webOS doctor? Dec 16 05:50:18 PuffTheMagic: notice that box on the left hand side - the wiki *is* fully searchable by google Dec 16 05:51:10 jacques: you can install ez-ipupdate, and get pings to a dyndns to be responded by the Pre Dec 16 05:55:28 :/ Dec 16 05:56:01 rwhitby, is there documentation for all the things meta-doctor does? I didn't see it on the wiki page. Dec 16 05:56:19 * PuffTheMagic wonders how many times oil is gonna sigh or :/ tonight Dec 16 05:57:39 jacques: nope, it's all in the makefile Dec 16 05:57:47 * oil is going to do it a bunch Dec 16 05:59:04 rwhitby, hmm I looked at the makefile, and cound't figure out that some did Dec 16 05:59:29 jacques: there's the four variables at the top Dec 16 06:00:06 unfortunately I keep changing laptops and don't have it on this one yet Dec 16 06:02:16 what does ENABLE_FIRSTUSE_WIFI do? Dec 16 06:02:32 and MAKE_FIRSTUSE_VISIBLE ? Dec 16 06:03:06 jacques: visible one is to make the icon visible so you can run the firstuse app Dec 16 06:03:18 wifi one adds a wifi config entry to the firstuse app Dec 16 06:03:39 you only need those if you don't have a legit carrier plan Dec 16 06:03:48 rwhitby, OK good to know Dec 16 06:03:51 (or don't have a carrier at all) Dec 16 06:04:14 so all I need is INCREASE_VAR_SPACE and maybe ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE Dec 16 06:04:23 yep, both of those Dec 16 06:05:34 does ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE mean it's on all the time? Dec 16 06:06:32 is that OK from a security standpoint? Dec 16 06:06:38 yep Dec 16 06:08:20 I see in /proc/cpuinfo vfp - that's hardware FPU ? Dec 16 06:09:01 if i took a guess i would say vfp == virtual floating point Dec 16 06:09:11 so "software" fp Dec 16 06:10:21 I seem to recall on the N800 it meant a real FPU Dec 16 06:11:13 "VFP (Vector Floating Point) technology is a coprocessor extension to the ARM architecture. It provides low-cost single-precision and double-precision floating-point computation fully compliant with the ANSI/IEEE Std 754-1985 Standard for Binary Floating-Point Arithmetic. " Dec 16 06:21:04 gotta head home - later Dec 16 06:25:51 can anyone else confirm that the webOSdoctor for 1.3.1 does NOT erase /media/internal? Dec 16 06:41:14 i thought all doctors deletes media internal Dec 16 06:43:29 I've heard conflicting reports Dec 16 06:43:39 especially about 1.3.1 Dec 16 06:45:31 when i run mvapp now, I am getting the following errors at the end of the execution: palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Dec 16 06:46:27 anyone else see that? Dec 16 06:46:53 mikepre: replacing the webkit .so didn't fix my issue... now my boot screen alternates between the palm logo and the "glowing" one (but not in a good way, Luna is still crashing) Dec 16 06:47:39 hmmm, that was the only file that I updated....and when i retsrated luna, it came right back alive... Dec 16 06:48:37 gahh Dec 16 06:48:57 I'm installing ssh now so I can try to pull everything off of my /media/internal at least Dec 16 06:49:18 almost 2am here. going to have to try and doctor tomorrow at work I guess. Dec 16 06:49:42 is there a way to turn on wifi from the command line? Dec 16 12:15:33 egaudet: new alpha test versions of preware and ipkgservice are in the testing feed. You should be able to use these for the aupt testing. Dec 16 12:15:37 * rwhitby bbt - night all Dec 16 13:50:37 dannato autoscatto Dec 16 13:50:43 ho i divudi per te Dec 16 13:50:48 e tu non ci sei Dec 16 15:48:59 hmm Dec 16 15:49:08 so who got voice mail forwarding to google voice? Dec 16 15:54:14 me Dec 16 16:04:01 rwhitby, u said that you keep all homebrew packages Dec 16 16:04:03 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/com.appjammers.myip_0.5.0_all.ipk Dec 16 16:04:07 which is not true Dec 16 16:04:09 :S Dec 16 16:07:04 is there an obvious way to get your index.html to have a spinner or do you have to use js to start a spinner? Dec 16 16:07:13 I'd like ot have my index show a spinner in case you see it before the first scene comes up Dec 16 16:12:25 rwhitby: the preware boot sh (for advanced linux nerds only!!!) script didn't work for me because it used the optware ipkg and the postinst was in /var/opt/blarg instead of the expected place Dec 16 16:12:36 I just ran it by hand and got preware working ... Dec 16 16:13:00 I don't know why the wiki uses so many cli scare tactics. If you're a linux nerd it's really not that big a deal, but it also says to report problems with the script, so I did. :) Dec 16 16:14:01 the new update to terminal seems snappy as all getout Dec 16 16:14:12 (dunno how old my old version was though) Dec 16 16:14:54 * oil_ preferred the cli directions over the script for preware Dec 16 16:18:18 fucking freenode Dec 16 16:59:16 anyone familiar with event.d? trying to get crond going per... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Crond Dec 16 16:59:24 but after reboot, cron isn't running Dec 16 17:00:51 cron (and crontab commands) work if i manually start it, but it won't start on reboot Dec 16 17:37:08 !list Dec 16 17:38:20 ? Dec 16 17:38:27 kokd, Yes? Dec 16 17:44:13 hey sorry ..was looking for apps for my blackberry Dec 16 17:57:31 you might wanna go to #blackberry? Dec 16 17:59:41 channels dead Dec 16 18:00:02 Last time I checked, freenode doesn't allow piracy Dec 16 18:18:38 anyone familiar with event.d? trying to get crond going per... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Crond Dec 16 18:18:52 but after reboot, cron isn't running Dec 16 18:19:03 cron (and crontab commands) work if i manually start it, but it won't start on reboot Dec 16 18:21:47 bog_: the pre runs upstart -- the event.d directory contains upstart configuration files for individual events Dec 16 18:22:25 http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Dec 16 18:22:42 right, it doesn't startup per the config on webosinternals page... i tried a 'start on runlevel 2' but cron still won't start Dec 16 18:23:30 did you try "start mod-crond" or whatever you called your event file? Dec 16 18:23:37 to test? Dec 16 18:24:22 err "sudo start mod-crond" etc Dec 16 18:25:49 initctl start mod-crond works manually Dec 16 18:25:55 ps -ef shows crond is running Dec 16 18:26:26 but on reboot, it doesn't start Dec 16 18:26:31 is there and event.log? Dec 16 18:29:21 someone posted a message on webosinternal page that cron stopped working for them after 1.31 updae Dec 16 18:29:26 http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging Dec 16 18:29:34 thx Dec 16 18:29:37 checking Dec 16 18:30:24 do you use dropbear, and if so, does it work? Dec 16 18:30:33 start automagically, etcv Dec 16 18:31:30 if so you might want to compare your event.d file for optware-dropbear to the one you use for cron and see if there are any differences in the start/stop lines that might explain a difference in functionality Dec 16 18:33:01 busybox is installed Dec 16 18:34:25 i suspect the config file is ok since the initctl start/stop works Dec 16 18:35:00 i don't need an /etc/rc2.d setup at all, right? Dec 16 18:37:20 trypt 'start on stopped finished' Dec 16 18:38:14 dbsonner: you around? Dec 16 18:44:00 think i got event.d cron working by doing 'start on stop finished'... is running after reboot... testing reboot again. Dec 16 18:46:28 yup, seems to work now after rebott... however i also made an entry in /etc/rc2.d Dec 16 18:59:49 ok cron working consistnetly now after reboot.. Dec 16 19:18:52 has anyone found a way to read geotags from pics? Dec 16 19:23:59 should be in the comments. Dec 16 19:24:11 you use gm identify or imagemagick's identify on it? Dec 16 19:26:19 Hi All... Dec 16 19:26:52 does anyone know where on the Pre bookmarks saved as new cards are stored on the file system? I need to create one/or modify one that I have.... Dec 16 19:27:51 bog_: awesome Dec 16 19:34:08 I installed my first patch (preware) ... the only one that's been really tempting so far. Default month view on the calendar Dec 16 19:34:11 I may try others Dec 16 19:34:41 congo rats Dec 16 19:35:02 I keep opening my calendar and smiling Dec 16 19:35:10 I didn't realize how much that bothered me Dec 16 19:43:09 how do you find out who wrote a particular patch? Dec 16 19:44:00 hmm Dec 16 19:44:12 so anyone moved from sprint voice mail to google voice mail? Dec 16 19:44:58 yes Dec 16 19:45:08 en0x, can you forward just the voicemails? Dec 16 19:45:35 dsevil, can you move back in case? Dec 16 19:45:41 if you don't want google voice anymore? Dec 16 19:46:07 if i remember correctly there are instructiosn. Dec 16 19:46:20 i can't check to confirm with 100% certainty because they block google voice at work. Dec 16 19:48:04 it's really just a matter of cancelling conditional call forwarding. Dec 16 19:48:56 and that's something on sprint's side for which you dial a special code. Dec 16 19:49:24 yes, its like *78 or w/e to cancel conditional forwarding Dec 16 19:49:35 *38 according to precentral Dec 16 19:50:35 yeah, i guess thats it Dec 16 19:51:17 I believe there's a button or something on Google Voice to turn it off. All it does is provide you with the instructions to do exactly that. Dec 16 19:52:34 yeah, settings->phones->"deactivate google voicemail on this phone" Dec 16 19:52:53 thanks. Dec 16 19:52:55 which says to dial *38 Dec 16 19:53:15 and if you dont hear any error messages or w/e you're done Dec 16 19:55:24 ok thanks Dec 16 19:56:17 anyone got motorola t505? Dec 16 19:56:19 en0x: why would you want to turn it off? Dec 16 19:56:22 i'm planning to get one Dec 16 19:56:26 gkatsev, in case ;) Dec 16 19:56:40 ah, you just wanted to know how to turn it off? Dec 16 19:56:52 i havent setup google voice forwarding yet Dec 16 19:56:55 and I'm about to do Dec 16 19:56:59 ah, k Dec 16 19:57:06 and before that I wanted to know if I can disable it in a case Dec 16 19:57:41 hm... perhaps *78 is unconditional call forwarding? Dec 16 20:35:56 en0x: we do keep them - it's just the redirect to PreCentral which is not allowing you to download it Dec 16 20:36:23 jettero: what's the problem with the preware-bootstrap script? Dec 16 20:36:53 rwhitby, anyway i googled it ;) Dec 16 20:37:47 egaudet: did you get the alpha versions working? Dec 16 20:37:58 preware? Dec 16 20:38:02 from testing feed? Dec 16 20:38:05 its working fine for me Dec 16 20:38:06 :P Dec 16 20:38:53 en0x: the very latest ipkgservice uploaded in the last 24 hours? Dec 16 20:39:19 yap Dec 16 20:40:02 0.9.26 Dec 16 20:40:08 does anyone know where on the Pre bookmarks saved as new cards are stored on the file system? I need to create one/or modify one that I have.... Dec 16 20:52:37 wazzup Dec 16 20:54:09 whats down?? Dec 16 20:54:34 down is the direction beneath you. Dec 16 20:54:49 unless you're upside down. Dec 16 20:55:07 ~wikipedia down Dec 16 20:55:12 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Wiktionarypar2|Down|down}} 'Down' may refer to: * Relative direction, where "down" is the direction towards the centre of gravity of a celestial object. * Railroad directions, where "down" and "up" have locally significant meanings * Down feather, a soft bird feather frequently used in manufacture of bedding. * Downland, a type of hill * Down syndrome, a genetic disorder * Down ... Dec 16 20:55:22 ~wikipedia up Dec 16 20:55:27 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up (URL), Wikipedia explains: " 'Up' or 'UP' may refer to: * A relative direction, the opposite of "down" * "Up" (2009 film), an animated film ** "Up (video game)", a video game based on the film * "Up" (1984 film), a short film * "Up!" (1976 film), an adult comedy by Russ Meyer * "Up Series", a series of documentaries following the lives of several British people since 1964 * "Up!" (album) by Shania Twain ** "Up!" ... Dec 16 21:03:43 rwhitby: yea the update succeeded for a few and I got a failure on one of the installs that I want to dig into when I get home before continuing the rest of the update all Dec 16 21:03:55 No confirmation popups :) Dec 16 21:04:22 egaudet: excellent. Dec 16 21:04:52 egaudet: I want to add some patch stuff to the regression test suite too (http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/regression-testing/) Dec 16 21:05:23 wtf is regression-testing? Dec 16 21:06:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_testing Dec 16 21:07:13 * rwhitby usually doesn't answer questions that start by swearing at him ... Dec 16 21:10:47 what's this regression test suite? Dec 16 21:12:00 egaudet_work: a set of packages which allow us to test installs, upgrades, removes, etc (including testing for error conditions by creating broken packages). there's three packages in there at the moment (just enough to test the new update all functionality) Dec 16 21:12:27 egaudet_work: I'd like to create some patch cases, like conflicting patches and patches that depend on each other. Dec 16 21:13:18 yea sounds good. I'll look for a good set of patches to use Dec 16 21:13:50 The uscl + uscl notes patches will be good for depends Dec 16 21:13:52 egaudet_work: I was thinking the regression tests wouldn't touch real files, they would touch some synthetic files Dec 16 21:13:59 oh Dec 16 21:14:18 so that there's no danger running them on a live system Dec 16 21:14:19 so want me to make up some dummy patch packages for testing purposes Dec 16 21:14:37 if you think it will make your life easier, yes. Dec 16 21:14:57 the source is in preware/build.git/regression/... Dec 16 21:15:21 otherwise, I'll get around to it some day ... Dec 16 21:15:35 I'm sure I'll have time to do it tonight Dec 16 21:15:50 having a good regression test suite will be a key input to the transition to the C ipkgservice. Dec 16 21:16:10 when you say synthetic files, you mean just create some files in the patch? Dec 16 21:16:16 egaudet_work: yeah Dec 16 21:16:35 egaudet_work: or deliver some files in the patch ipkgs Dec 16 21:16:44 and then patch them in the app dir Dec 16 21:17:16 yep I'll take a look when I get home Dec 16 21:22:56 bougyman: sorry for the delay, imagemagick's identify only tells me it's a JPEG and its resolution and class Dec 16 21:23:22 bougyman: exiftool shows no tag that sounds related to GPS, btu also says Warning : Bad IFD2 directory Dec 16 21:24:34 bougyman: gqview shows there's a tag GPSInfo but the value is cryptic ("346" of type ulong) Dec 16 21:25:00 can ya put one of these up? Dec 16 21:25:20 one sec Dec 16 21:25:35 balrog-kun: Hi! Dec 16 21:26:03 balrog-kun: escaped from moko-land? Dec 16 21:27:31 hey rwhitby Dec 16 21:27:39 i'm following whoever has a better modem Dec 16 21:28:14 balrog-kun: how's the connection to the modem protocol going? moving forward on decoding it? Dec 16 21:28:33 balrog-kun: BTW, do you have an OE configuration which matches what Palm uses for the rootfs? Dec 16 21:29:02 rwhitby: somebody called morphis is working on it and no i don't, sorry Dec 16 21:29:20 debian is likely to get there first as for a full separate distro Dec 16 21:30:08 rwhitby: incidentally do you know if anyone has a working Xserver for the Pre? Dec 16 21:30:10 balrog-kun: is Joey working on it? Dec 16 21:30:14 or is working on one Dec 16 21:30:19 balrog-kun: have not seen any X work yet Dec 16 21:30:26 rwhitby: no idea Dec 16 21:30:59 balrog-kun: he's got a couple of Pre entries in his blog, so I've got to assume that the Debian kernel and installer will support the Pre soon Dec 16 21:32:11 balrog-kun: it should be pretty damn easy to run X on the pre Dec 16 21:32:16 just use the fb driver Dec 16 21:32:48 balrog-kun: i havent bothered though since there are no oss phone apps that work on the pre yet Dec 16 21:32:55 though making one of them should be pretty easy too Dec 16 21:33:02 rwhitby: that's good news Dec 16 21:33:44 i didn't realise it was using /dev/fb0.. surely there's something non-standard about how the wm talks to the 3d hardware though Dec 16 21:33:52 ummm Dec 16 21:33:56 bougyman: here's one: http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/CIMG0019.jpg Dec 16 21:33:59 it doesnt talk to the 3d hardware yet Dec 16 21:34:29 but you dont need 3d to run X Dec 16 21:34:49 PuffTheMagic: you don't think the smooth sliding and scrolling is hardware accelerated? Dec 16 21:35:25 balrog-kun: smooth? Dec 16 21:35:25 lol Dec 16 21:35:33 bougyman: there may be somewhere else on the filesystem that the coordinates are stored and the picutres only keep indexes or something else Dec 16 21:35:38 no, nothing "graphics" related is accelerated yet Dec 16 21:36:11 balrog-kun: maybe by 1.4.0 we will get accelerated 2d Dec 16 21:36:46 for the record i've not seen (on my phone or on google) evidence that the geotags are there at all, but the option to geotag pictures is enabled Dec 16 21:38:50 :/ Dec 16 21:38:59 lol Dec 16 21:39:16 oil is gonna explode soon Dec 16 21:39:23 * Mousey runs Dec 16 21:50:52 alpha versions of preware and ipkgservice are in the testing feed for anyone who is interested in "Update All" ... Dec 16 21:52:48 egaudet_work: I'll probably test the 1.2.1 to 1.3.1 signed aupt update all stuff today ... Dec 16 21:53:52 balrog-kun: yeah, i get that uint with all my exifviewers, too Dec 16 21:54:01 check out exiftags -da THE.jpg Dec 16 21:54:09 you'll get a good view of why it's failing. Dec 16 22:04:27 rwhitby: you are going to test with the actual signing? Dec 16 22:06:06 bougyman: shows empty GPSInfo directory? Dec 16 22:06:28 yeah, even thought it does show taht same uint346 Dec 16 22:06:39 balrog-kun: have you rebooted since enabling geotagging? Dec 16 22:07:06 bbl Dec 16 22:07:12 bougyman: yes, i think i had it enabled a couple of SIM switches before Dec 16 22:07:27 that sucks, i hope the data is encoded in a non-standard way but still there Dec 16 22:08:07 i've been taking the pics as a means of recording the trace in lack of a gps app :P Dec 16 22:08:11 apparently picasa and flickr interpret it. Dec 16 22:08:19 oh cool Dec 16 22:08:29 i'm gonna take some pics at known lat/long and see if I can figure out the conversion. Dec 16 22:09:52 * balrog-kun waits for an openstreetmap editor app to become available Dec 16 22:15:56 egaudet: once it's implemented, yes. Dec 16 22:31:55 afternoon everyone Dec 16 22:46:41 hi all Dec 16 23:12:33 howdy Dec 16 23:21:48 hi all Dec 16 23:22:16 i installed palm mojo sdk.. my system: Linux poseidon 2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 17:01:44 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Dec 16 23:22:39 i can install all what i need.. but after installing palm-novacom i get: start: Unknown job: palm-novacomd Dec 16 23:23:27 ups.. sorry for the sdk i should ask in webos.. Dec 16 23:29:30 does anyone know how I can add a listen() event to a static div element (no widget)? Dec 16 23:31:04 Mousey: ping Dec 16 23:31:33 rwhitby: pong Dec 16 23:46:25 noaXess, try sudo initctl reload-configuration; sudo start palm-novacomd Dec 16 23:46:48 egaudet: ok.. Dec 16 23:47:00 i have just /etc/iniit/palm-novacomd.conf Dec 16 23:47:02 I think Palm forgot the reload step Dec 16 23:47:11 /etc/init/palm-novacomd.conf should be right Dec 16 23:47:26 just need to get upstart to see re-read the config files to pick it up Dec 16 23:47:40 egaudet: :) palm-novacomd start/running, process 17040 Dec 16 23:47:48 :D Dec 16 23:47:52 thanks.. Dec 16 23:48:28 np Dec 16 23:48:36 so now.. whats about virtualbox.. i have latest installed 3.1, but i think it need 3.0.10... where can i found the vbox image? Dec 16 23:49:29 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_3_0 Dec 16 23:49:50 egaudet: can't i run it with 3.1? Dec 16 23:50:14 the vbox image is here, right? /opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/emulator/images/ Dec 16 23:50:35 you can try I dunno Dec 16 23:50:52 I know they recommend 3.0.10 so I'm not sure what is incompatible with 3.1 Dec 16 23:52:42 Hi all...does anyone know the specific location where browser bookmarks are stored? The wiki mentions they're in palmdatabase.db3 but I can't seem to find them in there Dec 16 23:54:16 noaXess: are you reading the forums on developer.palm.com regarding installing the SDK? Dec 16 23:54:44 cause all your questions so far are in sticky posts there ... Dec 16 23:55:20 rwhitby: so.. yes. i know.. but there are different help channels :) irs, forum,... Dec 16 23:56:22 noaXess: right, but there are people at Palm who are paid to solve and document in those forums the solutions to your questions. Dec 16 23:57:06 I wouldn't point you to phone support, but I will point you to online forums where the answers are already there. Dec 16 23:57:15 rwhitby: your right.. will search forums first.. but it's late night.. and i should get to sleep.. Dec 16 23:57:43 noaXess: no worries. 3.1 is reported to have problems - best to stick to 3.0.x Dec 16 23:58:20 rwhitby: my problem is, that i have allready running vm's in 3.1.. so.. need to wait until the fix it for 3.1 Dec 16 23:58:21 I run 3.0.12 on MacOSX myself. Dec 17 00:01:47 so 3.0.12 works? cool Dec 17 00:02:20 so.. i have to go to bed.. i'm down.. bye and good night/day.. :) Dec 17 00:04:59 hello Dec 17 00:13:17 linuxjacques: 3.0.12 works on MacOSX at least, dunno about other platforms. Dec 17 00:32:46 hmm I'm getting that 0000644 thing again Dec 17 00:33:02 I can't install this patch because the .patch file gets suffix'd with 0000644 Dec 17 00:33:19 rwhitby: do you still have to manually create /opt when installing the preware stuff? Dec 17 00:36:58 a short question: how can I make an item in a list untappable (other items are tappable and show a new scene)? Dec 17 00:37:04 geist: no, the optware bootstrap package does that Dec 17 00:37:48 ah, was just fooling around in the OE stuff here at work, was thinking of trying to get /opt added to the build by default Dec 17 00:37:50 geist: either the optware-bootstrap.sh script, or the Bootstrap package in the Optware section in Preware. Dec 17 00:38:12 geist: if it exists already, nothing will break. we use mkdir -p Dec 17 00:38:25 well, would you otherwise need to not remount root as rw? Dec 17 00:39:11 geist: yeah, if /opt was there then we could just bind mount without creating the dir. Dec 17 00:39:33 and no rw root. it'd be worth it then Dec 17 00:39:42 no idea when it'd make its way into an OTA, just thinkin since i'm in here Dec 17 00:40:03 geist: oh, we ro the root immediately after the dir is created, we don't leave it rw Dec 17 00:40:14 yeah figured. just trying to make it nice Dec 17 00:40:21 (since we need to drop a profile into /etc/profile.d/ too) Dec 17 00:40:33 ah.. that's what i was wondring Dec 17 00:40:56 well, i'll do it anyway Dec 17 00:40:58 and an upstart script in /etc/event.d/ to do the bind mount on each boot (we don't touch /etc/fstab for obvious reasons) Dec 17 00:42:28 geist: thanks for the heads up Dec 17 00:42:48 (whether or not it happens) Dec 17 00:42:59 it's just an inode and about 16 bytes of dir data Dec 17 00:43:05 and the inode is already reserved Dec 17 00:43:57 geist: one thing I did find intriguing was the addition of binary patching tools into the rootfs in 1.3.1 ... Dec 17 00:44:00 anyone? Dec 17 00:44:14 rwhitby: why so? Dec 17 00:44:20 debilater: more likely to get an answer to that one in #webos Dec 17 00:44:41 geist: just wondering what Palm was planning to use them for. I'm assuming they weren't put there for Preware to use for binary patches ;-) Dec 17 00:45:04 hrm. thought we already started pushing stuff down as binary diffs Dec 17 00:45:12 it's just to reduce the load of OTAs Dec 17 00:45:30 i dont know the details but i think it'll try to push down a delta diff unless it can't in which case it grabs the whole thing Dec 17 00:45:36 nothing nefarious Dec 17 00:45:39 ok, that's what we were guessing Dec 17 00:45:58 rwhitby: ok Dec 17 00:45:59 well, it's your executables, so binary patching them can't really be nefarious :-) Dec 17 00:46:22 heh, yeah. and it has the backup of doing the full download in case someone mucked around with an existing binary Dec 17 00:46:27 so it's pretty safe Dec 17 00:47:05 I must say that it's pretty nice that you guys considered the case where things can be modified by outside influences, and handle it sensibly. Dec 17 00:47:23 tryin not to make little bricks for folks Dec 17 00:47:39 a goal we share Dec 17 00:47:49 as well as they make paperweights, i think most folks didn't spend the money for that Dec 17 00:48:25 just takes a little doctoring to get it back one would think Dec 17 00:48:28 as of today, I own 4 touchstones ... Dec 17 00:48:57 and 3 pre's ? Dec 17 00:49:02 bpadalino: only 2. Dec 17 00:49:07 aw :( Dec 17 00:50:44 can anyone install the close-on-hangup patch via preware in 1.3.1? Dec 17 00:52:36 rwhitby, ping Dec 17 00:53:14 egaudet: syn|ack Dec 17 00:53:35 so do we have a 100 char filename limit in ipk's? Dec 17 00:53:52 egaudet: that may depend on what is packaging it Dec 17 00:54:07 or maybe what is unpacking it Dec 17 00:54:19 well I'm getting another one of those 000644 being appended to my .patch file upon an ipkg -o /var install Dec 17 00:54:23 e.g. gnu tar packaging and busybox tar unpacking Dec 17 00:54:29 egaudet: from which feed? Dec 17 00:54:33 test feed Dec 17 00:54:38 patch test feed? Dec 17 00:54:41 yea Dec 17 00:54:43 1.3.1 Dec 17 00:54:54 org.webosinternals.patches.phone-close-on-hangup Dec 17 00:55:20 egaudet: let me rebuild that on linux and push Dec 17 01:02:30 rwitby, thanks for the whitsundays tip the other week. Dec 17 01:12:54 preston: no worries Dec 17 01:17:19 Is there code for ipkg? Dec 17 01:17:58 ahh yes opensource.palm.com Dec 17 01:25:01 egaudet: I'm rebuilding webos-patches-testing on the autobuilder Dec 17 01:25:39 OK Dec 17 01:27:41 egaudet: we're going to need to move the doctor out of downloads Dec 17 01:27:49 (since we can't redistribute it) Dec 17 01:28:12 it's not being redistributed...? Dec 17 01:28:25 downloads/ isn't pushed to repo Dec 17 01:43:01 egaudet: moved Dec 17 01:51:53 hmm this is odd Dec 17 02:10:11 time to watch King of Kong: A Fist of Quarters Dec 17 02:13:20 it's interesting Dec 17 02:13:37 rwhitby, that seems to have fix it Dec 17 02:14:00 egaudet: ok, I will build there in future Dec 17 02:17:52 are they missing signatures? Dec 17 02:20:19 oil, rwhitby, when update fails on the install, the package still shows as installed until I update feeds Dec 17 02:20:55 egaudet: they should have signatures, let me check Dec 17 02:21:49 egaudet: sorry, forgot to push that commit. rebuilding no Dec 17 02:21:50 w Dec 17 02:22:14 k Dec 17 02:23:43 (should be quick, it's just a repackage) Dec 17 02:28:52 egaudet: scrub that, it's a rebuild Dec 17 02:30:02 egaudet: we need to change the build process to not build all patch versions in build/all Dec 17 02:30:43 what do you mean Dec 17 02:31:04 build/all-$VERSION type of thing? Dec 17 02:31:45 yeah, something like that - probably build/$VERSION/all ... Dec 17 02:32:00 what will this help? Dec 17 02:32:32 well, I just removed all the ipkg files, expecting them to be rebuilt, but then realised they would all be rebuilt from the same contents of whatever last went into build/all Dec 17 02:33:22 that violates one of the tenants of using Makefiles Dec 17 02:33:31 that should not be the case Dec 17 02:33:49 oh I see what you are saying now Dec 17 02:35:32 We'll have to make sure we change it in all the different makefiles Dec 17 02:37:17 rwhitby, we should probably restructure it all to use build/${VERSION} Dec 17 02:37:34 for instance all the build/.built-${VERSION} go to build/${VERSION}/.built Dec 17 02:37:36 etc.. Dec 17 02:40:35 egaudet: agreed Dec 17 02:41:26 egaudet: feed updated Dec 17 02:42:11 egaudet: just in time for me to start installing the test aupt patches on 1.2.1 on my dev pre .. Dec 17 02:42:34 i found some bugs Dec 17 02:42:46 excellent Dec 17 02:42:46 you may want to let me push fixes and rebuild first Dec 17 02:42:50 ok Dec 17 02:42:58 I will wait Dec 17 02:46:48 rwhitby, mind me pushing *.swp and *.swo to .gitignoree? Dec 17 02:47:27 egaudet: not at all Dec 17 02:48:37 OK pushed fix for prerm bug Dec 17 02:48:42 should be good to rebuild and test now Dec 17 02:49:11 ok Dec 17 02:51:57 building Dec 17 02:53:06 rwhitby: book? Dec 17 02:53:18 tell me the wonderful us of a didn't lose it Dec 17 02:54:39 nebula: it's a bit early yet Dec 17 02:54:58 i'd be expecting 2 weeks minimum Dec 17 02:55:09 ah ok Dec 17 02:55:35 it was usps right, not courier Dec 17 02:55:53 rwhitby, oil, while running update all I ran into a failed removal of a package that others were dependent on Dec 17 02:56:20 egaudet: are you set up for Trac access? Dec 17 02:57:04 yes :p, going Dec 17 02:57:49 egaudet: can we condense the failure into a regression test case? Dec 17 02:58:47 yep, to mimic the exact issue I'll just make sure to make the dependent package first in alphabetic order Dec 17 02:59:20 egaudet: feed updated **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 17 02:59:58 2009