**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 25 02:59:57 2009 Dec 25 03:00:02 1.3.1 just enabled the region qualifier Dec 25 03:00:38 yeah imagined something like that would exist. but what makes an app not suitable for europe then? :) Dec 25 03:01:00 and who decides on that? palm? the dev? Dec 25 03:01:02 choice of the developer Dec 25 03:01:12 ok, that sounds reasonable at least Dec 25 03:01:42 paid apps can't be released outside the US Dec 25 03:01:58 reasoning behind that? Dec 25 03:02:06 sorry for bothering you so much :) Dec 25 03:02:11 i'm just curious and new to the palm pre Dec 25 03:02:26 infrastructure is not set up yet for payment apparently Dec 25 03:02:40 taxes and laws and all that I expect Dec 25 03:03:00 gotcha. would have thought paypal makes it easy to support tha Dec 25 03:03:02 t Dec 25 03:03:54 you need a credit card Dec 25 03:04:04 a US one at the moment Dec 25 03:04:16 (I'm using a prepaid Visa) Dec 25 03:04:25 (since I'm in Australia) Dec 25 03:05:10 palm doesn't accept paypal yet. Dec 25 03:05:34 and developers need to RESUBMIT their app for multiple countries as of 131, and if they didn't then it got restricted to us only. Dec 25 03:05:51 rwhitby-pre: post to precentral and ask for someone to donate their US credit card to your cause :) Dec 25 03:06:12 and now, when you submit, your app has to be checkboxed for each country and right now, has to be free. Dec 25 03:07:28 bpadalino: already got a US prepaid visa Dec 25 03:07:53 thx to a generous benefactor Dec 25 03:08:08 so someone did donate their credit card to you! very nice of them Dec 25 03:08:26 I pay him with Paypal - prepaid so no risk Dec 25 03:08:41 but it costs $6 per month in fees Dec 25 03:09:01 (it's the best that can be done) Dec 25 03:09:59 So paypal from Palm would be welcome Dec 25 03:10:23 ok, gotta go Dec 25 05:11:12 Can i get support for preware here? Dec 25 05:12:03 Im on OS X 10.5 and whenever i open PrewareInstaller-0.9.5 it opens then closes Dec 25 05:12:15 the icon that is nothing actually ever shows up Dec 25 05:14:48 anyone awake on xmas eve Dec 25 05:17:22 no Dec 25 05:19:14 i see Dec 25 05:19:37 i can't find any posts in the forums about people having the same problem as me Dec 25 05:19:48 sorry, I'm not a mac user Dec 25 05:20:20 Well if i do the web os easy installer i just click the .js file and it will download os doctor for me right? Dec 25 05:21:28 that should be the same either on mac or windows Dec 25 05:26:45 the jar? Dec 25 05:27:26 it's a java file, not javascript Dec 25 05:28:30 yea thats what i meant Dec 25 05:28:49 and yes, when you launch it, the first thing it does is ask if you want to download webosdoctor Dec 25 05:29:14 yea then it closes and nothin Dec 25 05:30:27 after i pick sprint pre and okay the app just closes Dec 25 05:31:51 strange. You might try updating your java install on your machine. Dec 25 05:32:28 k Dec 25 05:36:25 do i need the sdk Dec 25 05:36:26 ? Dec 25 05:37:23 did you set 1.6 as the default for Java? Dec 25 05:37:47 Not sure how to do that Dec 25 05:37:55 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/203951-webos-quick-install-contd.html Dec 25 05:38:57 ahh Dec 25 05:39:09 weird i don't even see that se6 Dec 25 05:39:22 and apple says my computer is up to date Dec 25 05:40:02 sounds like you might not be running 1.6... Dec 25 05:41:01 does it matter i don't have a INTEL mac Dec 25 05:42:05 like I said, I'm not a mac user. Dec 25 05:42:11 right sorry Dec 25 05:42:26 I'd just go to sun's website and grab the latest version of java for your platform Dec 25 05:45:08 not gonna happen .. apple maintains the java version for the platforms .. Dec 25 05:45:15 for osx at least Dec 25 05:45:24 1.6 is on snow leopard - not sure if it's available for leopard Dec 25 05:46:17 looks like 1.5 is the latest version for leopard Dec 25 05:47:24 Time to upgrade :) Dec 25 05:50:22 well there is a program i can use Dec 25 05:54:25 stuffed full from Christmas lunch Dec 25 05:55:04 11 hours till xmas lunch here Dec 25 06:02:24 rwhitby-pre, I just submitted a SCALE presentation abstract. Dec 25 06:02:35 sweet Dec 25 06:11:55 I finally got my password into wirc Dec 25 06:29:59 * jacques heads home. Dec 25 07:27:59 have any of you guys ever had an issue where if you're on the phone, and you switch to another call via the call waiting feature Dec 25 07:28:25 and when you hang up, the phone's mic stays on (really noticeable with headphones in) Dec 25 07:28:42 and when you try to make a call again, it fails until you reboot? Dec 25 07:29:16 no Dec 25 07:29:35 just slow response to hanging up etc Dec 25 07:34:02 Technobabble: do you still have that broken Pre? Dec 25 07:55:00 rwhitby, you didn't get it? Dec 25 08:04:08 Technobabble: No, I didn't - how did you send it? Dec 25 08:05:03 in a padded envalope from my post office Dec 25 08:05:10 i'll get my tracking number and give them a call Dec 25 08:05:19 How long ago? Dec 25 08:05:35 i paid the postage at the counter there, so i know there was enough postage Dec 25 08:05:43 it was a couple days after Dec 25 08:05:57 i'll get my tracking number out of my file and give them a call and see what happened to it Dec 25 08:06:01 i never bothered to check Dec 25 08:06:26 thanks Dec 25 08:06:32 it's christmas so it'll be a couple days Dec 25 08:06:44 did you see my touchstone surgery pictures? Dec 25 08:06:59 no, are the similar to the ifixit photos? Dec 25 08:07:13 mine are better :-) Dec 25 08:07:22 well lets see em Dec 25 08:08:01 www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/touchstone Dec 25 08:10:05 lets's have a look Dec 25 08:13:10 "All back together again, with no spare parts left over." Dec 25 08:13:12 nice touch Dec 25 08:13:47 I was hoping to put your old Pre to the same treatment ... Dec 25 08:15:21 you will, i'll get to the bottom of it Dec 25 08:18:45 thanks Dec 25 16:51:03 why would the pre need a connection to evdo and wifi when wifi is conncected... Dec 25 16:54:52 Abyssul_wIRC: mms,sms? Dec 25 16:55:33 sms doesn't require data Dec 25 16:55:41 and idk about mms Dec 25 16:55:58 but why can't it go over wifi? Dec 25 16:56:07 I dunno. Dec 25 16:56:17 I thought everything was data these days. Dec 25 16:57:29 I can turn off evdo data and wifi and still get sms off the regular signal Dec 25 16:58:13 I'll see if I can get an answer in the palm forums or precentral Dec 25 16:59:58 oh duh Dec 25 16:59:59 I forgot Dec 25 17:00:15 Messaging uses Evdo all the time if it can. Dec 25 17:00:18 or something. Dec 25 17:00:24 Because wifi goes off when the phone goes to sleep. Dec 25 17:01:13 yea. I don't understand that either lol. why not connect to wifi when asleep Dec 25 17:01:36 if you turn off data, then wifi stays on when asleep Dec 25 17:01:54 I can still get sms right? Dec 25 17:02:00 That would be nice at home. Dec 25 17:05:51 I havnt tested it, but I still get texts even if I don't have data. pics? idk. I'll have to experiment later Dec 25 17:25:02 hey guys is webos programing based around C syntax? Dec 25 17:36:32 I guess you could say javascript is somewhat similar to C, but they are still very different. Dec 25 17:38:23 well if I knew a little c and wanted to get into web os dev it shouldnt be too different right? Dec 25 17:38:51 or will it be like a whole new launage Dec 25 17:38:59 language* Dec 25 17:39:25 I'm not sure. Dec 25 17:40:10 Try... Dec 25 17:40:11 http://tinyurl.com/ycv78kr Dec 25 17:47:04 ill never understand why people sit in these rooms and get mad when a question is asked lol Dec 25 19:28:59 morning Dec 25 19:50:17 good evening :-) Dec 25 20:08:18 hmm Dec 25 20:08:22 hii Dec 25 20:08:34 (@work..) Dec 25 20:45:04 i dont get this new monitor. It says it can go 75hz, but theres no option for it Dec 25 20:53:17 i dont know why, but irssi over ssh on the pre is much smoother Dec 25 20:53:31 no rapid redrawing Dec 25 20:54:14 using terminal? Dec 25 20:54:27 i have not had any luck using irssi w/ terminal Dec 25 20:57:40 yep Dec 25 20:58:03 it is actually useful to me now. no idea what changed Dec 25 20:58:42 hrm Dec 25 20:58:47 whats your TERM type? Dec 25 20:59:48 screen Dec 25 21:00:36 use bitchx Dec 25 21:01:25 using irssi Dec 25 21:01:35 works great Dec 25 21:01:58 heh i wouldnt touch bx with a ten ft pole Dec 25 21:02:08 soo many exploits have been found in panasyncs code over the yrs Dec 25 21:02:20 i avoid all clients made by anyone in #warez :P Dec 25 21:02:27 aha Dec 25 21:02:39 irssi is nicer anyway imo Dec 25 21:02:55 agreed Dec 25 21:03:03 esp for multi networks and tons of channels Dec 25 21:03:22 yes Dec 25 21:09:47 test Dec 25 21:09:55 tost Dec 25 21:09:58 nope still having redraw probs :( Dec 25 21:10:10 tlp: youre lucky dude Dec 25 21:10:42 i have insane redraw problems Dec 25 21:14:52 wow it fixed itself Dec 25 21:14:56 rotating fixed it Dec 25 21:15:48 this is awesome Dec 25 22:01:18 rwhitby: ping Dec 25 22:04:02 Well, when you get back. You mentioned that the flashlight.tar has a security hole. How do you uninstall it? Dec 25 22:55:48 Abyssul the flashlight relies on the old commander service Dec 25 22:55:54 which is NOTHING but a security hole. Dec 25 22:56:10 although, when we wrote it, it was, at the time both cool, and the best we could do. Dec 25 22:56:22 If you remove the commander service, then the hole is gone. Dec 25 23:22:43 Rick_work: how do I uninstall whatever was installed when I untared the package? Dec 25 23:22:53 just delete it Dec 25 23:23:48 just delete the .tar thats in my root? Dec 25 23:28:42 well, CERTAINLY delete that, because you shouldn't have files in your root. Dec 25 23:28:56 but you need to delete the files you extracted OUT of the tar when you untarred it Dec 25 23:31:02 hmmm i dont know what it untaed, ill have to check it out Dec 25 23:31:15 extracted* Dec 25 23:35:27 i think I got it Dec 26 00:19:33 howdy Dec 26 00:26:04 my Pre doesnt like the Messaging Plugins Dec 26 00:26:23 Get all these network errors and my phone doesnt respond until I "ok" all the errors Dec 26 01:07:51 how do i find the ip addy for my palm? Dec 26 01:09:49 wifi? Dec 26 01:10:13 yes Dec 26 01:10:22 it'll show it right there Dec 26 01:10:32 just go to the upper bar, enable the wifi Dec 26 01:10:39 then under the wifi connection, it'll show Dec 26 01:11:47 k Dec 26 01:11:50 thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 26 02:59:56 2009