**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 29 02:59:57 2009 Dec 29 03:00:10 egaudet: the package manager Dec 29 03:00:14 deffinately looks like it Dec 29 03:00:55 does it help to uninstall the service before the update/reboot? Dec 29 03:00:57 rwhitby-away, can't we make ipkgservice check both /var and /media/cryptofs/apps for installed packages, only install to the new one? Dec 29 03:01:00 after 3 reboots installing, it booted up Dec 29 03:01:17 egaudet: that sounds like a good quick fix Dec 29 03:01:23 I'm using WOSQI 296 to re-install Preware and it look slike everything went fine, but Preware never shows up in the launcher. Dec 29 03:01:28 I think it's the correct solution Dec 29 03:01:34 So, are the tweaks in wosqi 2.9.6 compatible with WebOS 1.3.5? Dec 29 03:01:42 and based on your app cat. observations seems as though what palm is doing as well Dec 29 03:01:51 Bentfork: yea Dec 29 03:01:51 egaudet: that's a good point Dec 29 03:02:01 freakout: look who showed up Dec 29 03:02:05 Bentfork: some of them Dec 29 03:02:07 hi all! its my first time using irc to talk about pre. today I just want to know if someone have a clue of when 1.3.5FW will be available in europe. Dec 29 03:02:08 Bloody work. they blocked IRC! Dec 29 03:02:09 Thanks Robi_ Dec 29 03:02:14 freakout: uninstall/reinstall ipkgservice :P Dec 29 03:02:25 good thing I quit in two weeks :P Dec 29 03:02:33 ysoc: ha! Dec 29 03:02:41 egaudet: so what should one do pre-update? Dec 29 03:02:48 freakout-Pre: Niiiice. Got another gig lined up? Dec 29 03:02:57 glorified_g: probly not for a week or two Dec 29 03:03:02 Robi_, remove theme and run EPR as usual Dec 29 03:03:26 egaudet: no that's standard.. to avoid the after party bits ;] Dec 29 03:03:53 winscp Abyssul? Dec 29 03:03:58 ok bootup #4... Dec 29 03:04:10 is that something i can do now? or is my pre unable to do that at the moment since its in that www.palm.com/rom state? Dec 29 03:04:17 egaudet: remove webos-internals service too? Dec 29 03:04:23 Robi_, you'll want to remove and reinstall the ipkgservice after update Dec 29 03:04:45 :( thanks for thereply diov6. its a bit frustrating that we always get everything weeks before. I'll try to think that you're being tested as guinea pigs so I can get the update with no major bugs :p Dec 29 03:05:15 egaudet: so there's no preventing it before the update? Dec 29 03:05:23 preventing which part Dec 29 03:05:33 preware breakage Dec 29 03:05:45 and whatever else isn't working Dec 29 03:05:45 nothing will show as installed in preware until that is fixed in ipkgservice I believe Dec 29 03:05:46 glorified_g: hopefully there aren't too many Dec 29 03:05:48 did anyone tried to install any apps from app catalog yet? Dec 29 03:05:54 shiggi Dec 29 03:05:57 so updating from 1.3.5 RC to 1.3.5 OTA version still has preware issue. Trying to get WOSQI to see the stinking phone currently. May have to reboot my pc. fun stuff. Dec 29 03:06:10 I'll check when Luna is done restarting Dec 29 03:06:11 bah! Shiggity: yes. The Army :) Dec 29 03:06:19 egaudet: trying to avoid wosqui Dec 29 03:06:31 i tkink i will bother palm tomorrow Dec 29 03:06:32 so, rwhitby... what's this tweet I see aboot the GPU support? Dec 29 03:06:39 Robi_, if you have terminal access? novaterm for instance Dec 29 03:06:40 yeah Dec 29 03:06:50 that thing abou gpu Dec 29 03:07:05 you can move some stuff manually to get the feeds to read right, but other than that you'd have to wait for an update to ipkgservice before the OTA Dec 29 03:07:07 its a pakage with what exactly? Dec 29 03:07:24 egaudet: right, thought so.. Dec 29 03:07:45 egaudet: still not seeing installed packages after full install reinstall, i'm going to try moving stuff Dec 29 03:07:48 freakout-Pre: opengl drivers are in 1.3.5 Dec 29 03:08:09 rwhitby-away: has anyone been able to confirm EGL binaries are actually getting loaded by the kernel on boot? Dec 29 03:08:24 now i cant install from app catalog Dec 29 03:08:31 Just installed craps via preware and is working fine. Dec 29 03:08:36 zsoc, right it's an issue in ipkgservice/preware that only check the new app area Dec 29 03:08:38 ask for restart then fails Dec 29 03:08:49 the new update bootup screen is kinda cool Dec 29 03:09:01 moving stuff might be dangerous Dec 29 03:09:08 but if you are feeling froggy... leap Dec 29 03:09:16 hmm and that means developers can use the drivers to create apps that use gpu? Dec 29 03:09:23 I hate it when I have to move stuff. Can't we hire someone to do that? Dec 29 03:09:26 egaudet: Also what about the "partial app catalog fix", does that have a chance of breaking anything? Dec 29 03:09:31 crash_pr, i have same issue Dec 29 03:09:33 glorified_g: in theory yes Dec 29 03:09:47 rwhitby-away: O RLY? cool. are they usable by anything? Dec 29 03:09:47 crash_pr, http://yfrog.com/3lnafp Dec 29 03:09:56 rwhitby-away, what are you thinking with regards to the dual app area? Dec 29 03:10:26 egaudet: the trouble is duplicates Dec 29 03:10:26 zsoc, no that should be fine (and probably unnecessary going forward) Dec 29 03:10:39 My package count without the prethemer feed just went from 400 something to 607. Dec 29 03:10:41 rwhitby-away, right Dec 29 03:11:01 Now that I have the correct patches installed I am updating... Dec 29 03:11:03 egaudet / rwhitby-away : What about symlinking? Dec 29 03:11:08 I will have results within the hour I guess. Dec 29 03:11:11 this has probably been answered , but is there any way to fix the OnFeeds Error? Dec 29 03:11:22 egaudet: at the moment I'm concentrating on how to push an update to ipkgservice which will work across the transition for those who haven't updated to 1.3.5 yet Dec 29 03:11:33 sryan: follow @webosinternals on twitter Dec 29 03:11:38 please do Dec 29 03:11:42 uninstall package manager service and reinstall Dec 29 03:11:46 will fix preware Dec 29 03:11:56 onfeeds error Dec 29 03:12:02 thingy Dec 29 03:12:03 rwhitby-away, if you add /var into it it will work accross update Dec 29 03:12:51 duplicates shouldn't be a huge issue because 1.3.1 and before only install to /var and 1.3.5 and after only install to /media/cryptofs/apps/ Dec 29 03:13:07 When did google start doing twitter? Dec 29 03:13:19 special case for /var installed apps can be added to ipkgservice/preware check-for-update code Dec 29 03:13:20 haha Dec 29 03:13:23 i just noticed that too Dec 29 03:14:15 "Two of the 1.3.5 update packages are opengles.ipk and opengles-omap3.ipk - yes, the groundwork is now there for GPU support." Dec 29 03:14:24 how does one come about this information? Dec 29 03:14:28 Ok, I uninstalled then re-installed PMS using WOSQI 296, not my phone is stuck in "Phone offline" even after a restart! Dec 29 03:14:30 Early access only? Dec 29 03:14:43 Loogie, have you tried going in and out of airplane mode? Dec 29 03:15:00 ird: a lot of stracing? lol Dec 29 03:15:16 ok, that worked...wierd. Thanks Dec 29 03:15:26 oh wait. Dec 29 03:15:30 ird: mount the /var/lib/update LVM partition Dec 29 03:15:31 guys, its 3am here in Portugal so I'm going to sleep now. thanks for the info and for the extraordinary work that you're been doing since the very beginning. As the first portuguese owner of the Pre (since late october) I have to say that I'm the webosinternals portuguese fan club. lol! see you tomorrow! Dec 29 03:15:42 I just noticed the update is out heh. Dec 29 03:16:10 where is chuq :P Dec 29 03:16:13 Is there a conveient way to reinstall ipkgservice from the shell of the device? Dec 29 03:16:27 i need to complain to somebody about "can't install new apps" Dec 29 03:16:31 hmm or should i call palm Dec 29 03:16:32 hmm Dec 29 03:16:57 egaudet , rwhitby-away : er, still no "installed apps" after "mkdir -p /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/info; cp -r /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/", can one of you verify directory paths? Dec 29 03:17:05 Pre Central only took 3 days to load... Dec 29 03:17:14 IM Plug-in also got struck Dec 29 03:17:19 zsoc, you'd need status too Dec 29 03:17:22 zsoc: sorry, but I have bigger fish to fry Dec 29 03:17:49 Mercury: not a convenient way Dec 29 03:17:53 rwhitby-away: sok, thanks Dec 29 03:17:53 Well, I guess I was wrong about it not being today. Dec 29 03:17:57 rwhitby-away, let me know if you need any help with getting it out as best as possible Dec 29 03:18:09 I'll be around for at least another hour Dec 29 03:18:18 anyone knows which palm phone # should i call? i can't install any apps Dec 29 03:18:24 egaudet: at the moment, I'm just working on getting /var/etc/ipkg/*.conf moved in the upstart script Dec 29 03:18:31 zsoc, /var/usr/lib/ipkg/* not just info Dec 29 03:18:46 egaudet: er... "lists" is in there, that's what you meant by status? Dec 29 03:18:59 egaudet: oh nm, i see Dec 29 03:19:00 files Dec 29 03:19:05 pay apps in canada Dec 29 03:19:06 got it, i'm going to stop spamming now Dec 29 03:20:00 man im having so much difficulty figuring out how to get these damn msgs backed up haha Dec 29 03:20:06 i think i should just screw it and let em go Dec 29 03:20:39 Wierd stuff here: Got preware loaded, but when I tap the icon, nothing happens. It's hlighlighter for a second then the highlight goes away, but the launcher stays open and nothing launches. Works fine with any other app. Dec 29 03:20:50 rwhitby-away, don't you wany /var/etc/ipkg/* moved, not just *.conf (to carry over disabled feeds too) Dec 29 03:20:50 oh nice Dec 29 03:20:58 there's a flash library in this release Dec 29 03:21:03 /usr/lib/FlashGraphics.so Dec 29 03:21:10 also check this out Dec 29 03:21:14 http://pastebin.com/d3dd6a61e Dec 29 03:21:19 looks like it's a placeholder Dec 29 03:21:27 egaudet: sanity check on http://webos.pastebin.com/d75d630ff please Dec 29 03:21:53 sampson: yep, looks like flash is using egl/gpu acceloration Dec 29 03:21:59 When I choose "Device Management" in WOSQI, Preware doesn't show as an installed app. Wierd. Dec 29 03:22:22 use opt+tap to delete it on ur pre Dec 29 03:22:53 but the installed size of opengles is 0 bytes Dec 29 03:23:09 Done that twice. Then I reload it with WOSQI and repeat the whole thing again. Dec 29 03:23:20 same here Loogie Dec 29 03:23:22 sampson: er.. /usr/lib/libEGL.so ? Dec 29 03:24:19 rwhitby-away, can you do -f on * regex Dec 29 03:24:46 but why does it list as 0 bytes installed Dec 29 03:24:52 sampson: hopefully this mean CES will be filled with new games and flash demos Dec 29 03:25:04 well look at that and then look at the appstore Dec 29 03:25:08 the leak said nova-1.3.* Dec 29 03:25:18 and the build name of this is nova as seen in opengles's .control file Dec 29 03:25:24 app store looks similar Dec 29 03:25:32 * en0x is talking with palm rep Dec 29 03:25:40 yay got it to copy Dec 29 03:26:21 egaudet: in other news, now that all that is fixed, aupt compatible patches are updating/installing smoothly Dec 29 03:26:32 nice Dec 29 03:27:04 egaudet: and it seems rod was right about the correct path being /media/cryptofs/apps/... Dec 29 03:27:17 egaudet: it sounds funny, but i guess that's how it's gunna be :) will start getting used to it lol Dec 29 03:28:09 Do you guys need any info I can provide to troubleshoot Preware with 1.3.5? Dec 29 03:28:42 egaudet: although I can also confirm that patches that are not 135 compatible still try to update (and fail) Dec 29 03:28:54 Loogie: uninstall/reinstall service should fix things up Dec 29 03:29:00 so is it safe to install patches after updating to 1.3.5? Dec 29 03:29:03 zsoc, that should not happen Dec 29 03:29:20 "not compatible" patches should be -0 placeholder empty ipk's Dec 29 03:29:22 I've done that. PMS installs fine, but Preware will not install properly. Dec 29 03:29:50 is preware 0.9.12 OK with 1.3.5 ? Dec 29 03:30:01 i wonder how many ppl calls palm right now Dec 29 03:30:09 egaudet: I'm sorry, I spoke too soon again, the issue is _only_ the "MultiMod" patch, everything else works great Dec 29 03:30:14 egaudet: including "update all" Dec 29 03:30:20 unless it was a mistake/untested port or something. I don't think we have kept the 1.3.5 aupt testing feed fully up to date though Dec 29 03:30:46 zsoc, check your /media/internal/webos-patches.log for why it failed for me? Dec 29 03:30:53 zsoc, any indea why Preware will not install using WOSQI? Dec 29 03:31:04 egaudet: it was trying to patch files non existant, i'll paste if you like Dec 29 03:31:16 zsoc, if i was you I wouldn't start applying patches yet Dec 29 03:31:16 :) Dec 29 03:31:23 hey just wondering what is everyones prl? Dec 29 03:31:27 zsoc, yes please Dec 29 03:31:39 well that is interesting. Update finished. couldn't connect to it via webosqi. even rebooted my pc. Phone IS in developer mode. Rebooted phone, and on reboot, it flashed up the little bit at the bottom briefly that it was updating. Just like the reboot after install. Dec 29 03:31:43 I don't have novacom installed and like all 1.3.5'ers my preware is borked. I've still got the terminal app installed -- I'm thinking of using that with preware-bootstrap.sh to uninstall/reinstall. Does that sound like it will work? Dec 29 03:32:16 Mine Pre shows that little "Updating" message every time I restart it now. Dec 29 03:32:23 PRL=60657 Dec 29 03:32:56 Bentfork: i just updated mine and forgot to check what it was b4.. btw my prl is now 60658 Dec 29 03:33:02 i wonder if svn would let us check out from subversion.palm.com Dec 29 03:33:10 nt4cats: just use webosqi Dec 29 03:33:27 k, I'll update. Dec 29 03:33:56 nt4cats, it should work fine. I simply moved the feed stuff manually and mine works Dec 29 03:34:06 sampson: not unless you're on the palm internal network. :-) Dec 29 03:34:07 screw this partial erease crap Dec 29 03:34:18 argh. When I hook the pre up to usb, I don't even get the media/usbdrive/just charge option at all. Dec 29 03:34:19 every time something goes wrong with the pre Dec 29 03:34:19 boo Dec 29 03:34:32 palm tells me to do partial erase I'm sick of losing all of my text messages Dec 29 03:34:52 hmm - that's not going to work :-( Dec 29 03:34:52 any shell script experts in the house Dec 29 03:34:52 ? Dec 29 03:34:52 hey guys how do i remove preware using webos quick install Dec 29 03:34:53 Thanks rwhitby :) http://tinyurl.com/yjn2sje Dec 29 03:34:54 egaudet: I didn't see info on moving feed stuff manually Dec 29 03:34:54 egaudet: http://www.pastebin.ca/1730231 <-- just the error part of the log. Again, everything else before that worked on "update all", and in a second I'll confirm after removing that one patch, everything worked after. Dec 29 03:35:08 rwhitby-away, are you referring to the -f? Dec 29 03:35:31 egaudet: yeah, multiple files will expand and cause a syntax error Dec 29 03:35:32 rwhitby-away: I'm handy with shell scripts -- what's up? Dec 29 03:35:34 Is it likely that we'll see a patched version of preware that is OTA compatable for those of us that are without means to use wosqi right now? Dec 29 03:35:35 egaudet: all other patches work with update all, that I had installed (roughly 30 or so random) Dec 29 03:35:39 do an ls *.conf and then check $? Dec 29 03:35:43 @CorpX Open 'Device Management' in QuickInstall & remove & reinstall the Package Manager Service Dec 29 03:35:51 try ` ls -l | wc -l` or somesuch Dec 29 03:36:05 sdodson: it's the ipkg mgr service, not preware, and yes it's being worked on now, small fix :) Dec 29 03:36:17 ls will return non-zero if no *.conf exist Dec 29 03:36:20 zsoc: Thanks, I'll delay 1.3.5 update then. Dec 29 03:36:42 sdodson: alternatively, you could be brave and stick around for testing :) Dec 29 03:36:44 lemketron_: yeah, I need to be careful, cause it's in an upstart script, and any error in those will barf without any debug messages anywhere Dec 29 03:36:51 ok thanx Dec 29 03:36:57 rwhitby: tell me about it. Dec 29 03:37:01 Anyone have a screenshot of the new touchstone tiem font? Dec 29 03:37:18 lemketron_: the only way I was able to track down the last problem I had was to strace pid 1 ! Dec 29 03:37:27 rwhitby-away: any idea why preware will not load properly via WOSQI? Dec 29 03:37:30 find . -name \*.conf | wc -l Dec 29 03:37:34 if you don't want errors rwhitby-away Dec 29 03:37:42 rwhitby-away: hey on my first run of preware after the reinstall i got 159 packages that were fixed.. Is this bad? Dec 29 03:37:58 well find /var/etc/ipkg -name \*.conf | wc -l Dec 29 03:38:02 danstah: depends if you have lots of app catalog stuff installed Dec 29 03:38:18 rwhitby-away: not really only a few Dec 29 03:38:31 danstah: any disabled feeds? Dec 29 03:38:57 rwhitby-away: nope Dec 29 03:38:59 zsoc, can I get a pastebin of that file being removed? Dec 29 03:39:05 s/file/patch/ Dec 29 03:39:06 egaudet meant: zsoc, can I get a pastebin of that patch being removed? Dec 29 03:39:07 ah, I can just check for /var/etc/ipkg/arch.conf, and then just move everything Dec 29 03:39:17 rwhitby-away: not to bother you, and I'm sure you already know this, but I can confirm cp'ing locations to /media/cryptofs/apps/... fixes preware with testing versions, as well as that aupt is working on 30 some odd patches I had odd (sans a MultiMod 135 compatibility) Dec 29 03:39:20 how do i get the power menu to show up without holding the power button Dec 29 03:39:21 preware-bootstrap.sh fixed me easily Dec 29 03:39:30 rwhitby-away: i looked as well and only the package manager service and preware are recognized as installed Dec 29 03:39:40 zsoc: you always bother us Dec 29 03:39:42 rwhitby: what do you mean by "move everything" ? apps should be migrated for you, I think. Dec 29 03:39:44 rwhitby-away, yea but not for disabled Dec 29 03:39:52 zsoc: you're a natural botherer Dec 29 03:39:54 egaudet: move *everything* Dec 29 03:39:54 but it may take a while or even be deferred if /media/internal is full. Dec 29 03:39:55 oh you said move everything Dec 29 03:39:59 lol Dec 29 03:40:00 I would have used WOQI -- but when I upgraded Fedora on my laptop I didn't put novacom on there ... it is a bit of a pain to do because Fedora is not .deb basd Dec 29 03:40:00 haha Dec 29 03:40:04 freakout: stop spamming the channel, or we go +m :P Dec 29 03:40:04 err .deb based Dec 29 03:40:07 partial erase is not working in 1.3.5 Dec 29 03:40:08 lol Dec 29 03:40:13 what the hell Dec 29 03:40:25 i just did a reboot on the phone and it said updating the system for a sec Dec 29 03:40:26 zsoc, the problem with moving the stuff is that SOME stuff might break badly Dec 29 03:40:36 sampson, its because of the cryptofs Dec 29 03:40:46 for instance moving the ipkg stuff changes what IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT is going to be in the prerm script Dec 29 03:40:53 samson, mine does that every time now. I'm not sure if it's normal ornot. Dec 29 03:41:00 Hmmm ... preware says the only things I have installed are preware and the pkg_service Dec 29 03:41:04 the postinst could have installed any number of things into /var tht were not moved and that prerm won't see after the ipkg move Dec 29 03:41:43 Is the problem with Preware or WOSQI? Dec 29 03:41:44 egaudet: perhaps that sort of thing should be LEFT in /var, then, until the pkg is updated to be /media-aware Dec 29 03:41:58 interesting... i just noticed i can uninstall the pdf viewer within the list apps section... this is new correct? Dec 29 03:42:06 egaudet, lemketron_: http://webos.pastebin.com/d5b6c98ec Dec 29 03:42:14 egaudet: er... i removed multimod patch, no log tho Dec 29 03:42:20 lemketron_, I agree. IMO we should add the dual location intelligence to it Dec 29 03:42:32 lemketron_: yes, most of the packages have been updated to stay working in /var Dec 29 03:42:33 zsoc, you removed it manually? Dec 29 03:42:47 egaudet: no, it's just not in the log, unless i'm blind, i'll look again Dec 29 03:42:47 lemketron_: and the postinst of the new version checks to remove old cruft Dec 29 03:43:02 that sounds reasonable (and the script looks ok too)... I need to fetch my usb cable, back in a sec. Dec 29 03:43:30 rwhitby-away, looks fine Dec 29 03:43:57 it should be right before the installation of it zsoc Dec 29 03:44:02 looks like the update have issues Dec 29 03:44:04 ;) Dec 29 03:44:10 Hillary says: Since we haven’t resolved your issue with the steps we've tried, I would like to refer you to a specialist on our Voice Support team. I can put in the request for you and a specialist will call you back. Are you OK with someone calling you back? Dec 29 03:44:24 Well, I've gotta go. Hopefully you guys will get the Preware install deal fixed by tomorrow. It will SUCK not having any patches on my Pre. Dec 29 03:44:48 Use webosqi? Dec 29 03:44:53 Ok so Im back up and running but it seems preware thinks I have nothing installed Dec 29 03:45:16 egaudet: er, sorry, found it, no errors -> http://pastebin.ca/1730249 Dec 29 03:45:17 WOSQI won't install preware properly on 1.3.5 Dec 29 03:45:21 egaudet: nice logging btw, very readbale Dec 29 03:45:30 has it hit bell? Dec 29 03:46:15 thanks, since I expect we'll have to read such large log files to debug future user issues I wanted to make it as readable as possible, otherwise some of us could go crazy :P Dec 29 03:46:32 egaudet: looks like the ota update overwrote the patch, or something similar, to be expected :) Dec 29 03:46:33 lol yeah Dec 29 03:46:37 zsoc, nice work, that's a bug Dec 29 03:46:53 well i just tried precorder and it works!! Dec 29 03:46:53 egaudet: oh I feel special :) just a pat on the head and a biscuit please. Dec 29 03:47:00 danstah: oh god don't use that Dec 29 03:47:05 danstah: it will eat your children Dec 29 03:47:06 the logic in aupt said "oh look all the files were OTA'd so I can just remove the ipkg data" but it missed the created files for some reason Dec 29 03:47:24 zsoc: wow... i was not aware of that bug Dec 29 03:47:29 egaudet: ... can i somehow confirm files were missed? should they be somewhere? Dec 29 03:47:31 zsoc: ;) Dec 29 03:47:51 so I assume people know preware isn't working? (might be good for topic?) Dec 29 03:47:53 well on your install it says the files exist, and those are files that don't come from Palm but are patch-created Dec 29 03:47:53 danstah: lol, nah it's just unreliable ;) wait till i get out something usable unless you really like having half your videos not record and your sound be out of sync Dec 29 03:48:12 egaudet: I see, maybe it's better a help you find the bugs but don't try understanding them lol Dec 29 03:48:30 egaudet: I'm just really happy this works. AUPT saved me a ton of time. Dec 29 03:48:35 i also dont see a beta tag on the app catalog. Have we finally moved out of beta Dec 29 03:48:42 danstah: correct Dec 29 03:49:05 heh Dec 29 03:49:07 :( Dec 29 03:49:11 app limit = gone Dec 29 03:49:22 new app limit= can't install apps Dec 29 03:49:44 zsoc, but it looks like this bug was fixed already in the repo Dec 29 03:49:54 I just installed an app Dec 29 03:50:03 i can't Dec 29 03:50:16 en0x: try to restart Dec 29 03:50:20 egaudet: oh good lol Dec 29 03:50:36 danstah, did 20 times Dec 29 03:50:40 spotter, danstah http://img129.yfrog.com/i/naf.png/ Dec 29 03:50:54 let me check the ipk to make sure it is just an old script in there Dec 29 03:51:32 zsoc, did you install it on 1.3.1? Dec 29 03:51:50 en0x: ya i just got that too.. was trying to update the visual voicemail app Dec 29 03:52:10 btw Dec 29 03:52:10 * zsoc thinks Dec 29 03:52:13 does anyone have the ipk for the pdf viewer Dec 29 03:52:36 I seem ot have deleted that app :) Dec 29 03:52:55 danstah, yap so palm voice support team will call me within 24-48hrs Dec 29 03:53:06 egaudet: No, I tried uninstalling/reinstalling after update to 135 Dec 29 03:53:33 woot animated gifs in browser Dec 29 03:53:34 right but you installed originally in 1.3.1 Dec 29 03:53:56 en0x: hmmm very strange.. did you also reinstall preware? Dec 29 03:54:42 oh I see what it is Dec 29 03:54:55 it's the whole /var vs. /media/cryptofs/apps thing zsoc Dec 29 03:55:12 hence the moving of all the ipkg stuff will NOT work correctly Dec 29 03:55:21 egaudet: hm... right Dec 29 03:55:25 egaudet: but it still worked :D Dec 29 03:55:27 i mean sort of Dec 29 03:55:41 so none of this will work precisely until we add multi IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT support Dec 29 03:55:47 zsoc, only luckily Dec 29 03:55:52 lol Dec 29 03:56:02 luckily is pretty good considering the crappy environment/variables i'm working with here Dec 29 03:56:04 basically all the patches "PATCH_LIST" or list of files it touches was empty Dec 29 03:56:14 * zsoc goes to test the EGL binary Dec 29 03:56:25 egaudet: ooooh, that's not good, i see now Dec 29 03:56:31 so all the checking of that stuff just got skipped, so any patch that touched a package that was NOT updated in your OTA... well you are kinda screwed Dec 29 03:56:36 well this is no good.. anybody else with the problem that when you try to install a new app via the app catalog it says you need to do a restart? Dec 29 03:56:48 so, anyone found anything else in 1.3.5 other than whats in the changelog? Dec 29 03:56:54 egaudet: but all of the patches work, just a lucky thing? Dec 29 03:56:56 but since everything installed fine, then you didn't run into any of that Dec 29 03:57:00 yep Dec 29 03:57:09 egaudet: interesting, a lot of things touched :P Dec 29 03:57:12 danstah: me Dec 29 03:57:19 apparently Dec 29 03:58:00 danstah, nope Dec 29 03:58:10 ok, I need a guinea pig who has not updated to 1.3.5 yet, but is just about to Dec 29 03:58:38 rwhitby: sure, long as it doesn't require a usb cable Dec 29 03:58:40 don't really get the need to encrypt the apps dir on the media dir Dec 29 03:58:52 makes it a teeny tiny speedbump Dec 29 03:58:57 doesn't really prevent piracy Dec 29 03:59:08 looking at it now in terminal Dec 29 03:59:22 they just use a fuse.cryptofs Dec 29 04:00:30 spotter: I presume it's only meant to maintain the status quo, not to increase the protection Dec 29 04:01:03 I just updated preware using mvapp upw from a command line and my list of apps is missing via preware. Is this a known issue? Dec 29 04:01:15 danstah: how full is your media partition ? Dec 29 04:01:19 yes Dec 29 04:01:31 lemketron_: 6.9gb free Dec 29 04:01:55 OnFeeds error!! Dec 29 04:01:57 ok, not what I thought then. Dec 29 04:02:01 i tried doctoring but now i get a a msg with phone error Dec 29 04:02:03 Cannot read property 'length' of undefined!! Dec 29 04:02:05 bpadalino, remove/reinstall ipkgservice Dec 29 04:02:11 Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved. Dec 29 04:02:15 or just move the feeds stuff manually Dec 29 04:02:17 anything i can do? Dec 29 04:02:18 okie dokie Dec 29 04:02:26 Did you know you can type "blazer" into the universal search and the web browser will be listed Dec 29 04:02:31 so am i correct in assuming that the apps should be in the /media/cryptofs folder? Dec 29 04:02:35 egaudet: is it best to remove the ipkg service before the ota or does it matter? Dec 29 04:02:35 sdodson: can you get a command line ? Dec 29 04:03:04 lemketron_: I've got a testing version of ipkgservice which people should be able to update to before OTA Dec 29 04:03:04 rwhitby: yes, i've got the terminal app installed Dec 29 04:03:24 Will a reinstall via WebOS quick install fix the Preware "not knowing which apps are already installed issue" or is it universal? Dec 29 04:03:25 oh... I could try that for you then; I've been holding off on the ota but would be happy to give it a shot. Dec 29 04:03:26 rwhitby, assuming that test version is the upstart, can we already OTA people update to that and then reboot Dec 29 04:03:43 or simply just update to it assuming that the postinst will restart the service? Dec 29 04:03:46 sdodson: cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap Dec 29 04:04:00 sdodson: actually scratch that Dec 29 04:04:22 lemketron_: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.24.1_all.ipk Dec 29 04:04:22 nvm, chicken/egg Dec 29 04:04:29 lemketron_: don't forget the postinst Dec 29 04:04:34 rwhitby, I haven't updated yet. let me know if you want me to try something. Dec 29 04:04:40 what postinst? Dec 29 04:05:44 oh, RUN the postinst after "ipkg install" ing that package ? Dec 29 04:06:03 fyi: anyone who gets java constantly restarting problem after 135 Dec 29 04:06:13 manually removing the java services i had installed fixed it Dec 29 04:06:18 i think the problem was teh flashlight service Dec 29 04:06:23 I just wanted to stop by and say, you guys that work on preware rock. keep up the good work Dec 29 04:06:31 i am looking in the cryptofs folder but cannot find anything in their but the package manager service and preware Dec 29 04:06:46 rwhitby: would you like me to update ipkgservice as well using the link you mentioned? Dec 29 04:06:51 anyone else only have these apps in that folder? Dec 29 04:08:35 hmm interesting Dec 29 04:08:55 so after an OTA, you go to app cat and install something and it tells you need a reboot (assuming it needs to fix some cryptofs stuff) Dec 29 04:09:30 egaudet: yup pretty much... i am wondering if the package manager service for palm did not get moved over Dec 29 04:09:46 so I do the reboot and then I see preware and ipkgservice .pmanifest file there Dec 29 04:09:54 egaudet: http://img129.yfrog.com/i/naf.png/ Dec 29 04:10:39 :( Dec 29 04:10:49 heh, Palm did have to choose the day that I'm supervising a major network upgrade at the office to release 1.3.5 ;-) Dec 29 04:10:53 great Dec 29 04:11:09 so they changed their ipkg setup to use one .pmanifest file instead of a .lists, and .md5sums file? Dec 29 04:11:17 rwhitby-away: preware doesn't see anything installed. Dec 29 04:11:49 But the date is still there :\ Dec 29 04:12:57 "System adjustments must be made" ;-) Dec 29 04:13:34 so does anyone else have the "updating to WebOS 1.3.5" show up at the bottom of their screen at each reboot/ luna restart Dec 29 04:13:35 ird: same problem? Dec 29 04:14:04 not exactly. Dec 29 04:14:09 I'm probably just an idiot. Dec 29 04:14:11 Dwolf79: that's probably when it's copying apps over Dec 29 04:14:57 finally back. my laptop gentoo install chose tonight to eat itself. Dec 29 04:15:07 rwhitby-away: Thanks. I guess it was me putting the Dev Mode back in place then Dec 29 04:15:21 NomNomNom - linux yum Dec 29 04:15:43 uhhohh Dec 29 04:15:44 this whole move to cryptofs app space is not going to be smooth Dec 29 04:16:37 well it hasn't been sofar xD Dec 29 04:16:46 I've heard it deletes the cookies that apps currently have stored Dec 29 04:17:27 can i uninstall ipkgservice with preware? Dec 29 04:17:31 Hmm. Even the official app catalog in browse view doesn't show stuff I already have installed for all apps until I go into an app's description. Dec 29 04:18:02 what the heck is with this app catalog "system adjustments must be made" Dec 29 04:18:04 make them already! Dec 29 04:18:22 Dwolf79, I don't Dec 29 04:18:27 though it took forever to install this update Dec 29 04:18:34 egaudet: i've never seen it Dec 29 04:18:38 egaudet: seriously! Dec 29 04:18:46 oil, go install an app in the catlog after OTA to 1.3.5 Dec 29 04:18:48 Abyssul, I lost my settings for foursquare and wIRC so that sounds right. Dec 29 04:18:58 i did Dec 29 04:19:12 oil what do you show for ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info Dec 29 04:19:25 ipkg -o /var list_installed ipkg Dec 29 04:19:31 egaudet: Same thing on my end Dec 29 04:19:32 oops Dec 29 04:19:54 Heh.. I just noticed "Fixing unknown packages".. Dec 29 04:19:59 can i do ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 04:19:59 ? Dec 29 04:20:00 But it doesn't really fix anything. Dec 29 04:20:10 WebOS is gonna blow up!!! :p Dec 29 04:20:16 ugh Dec 29 04:20:24 webos doctor isnt working right for me Dec 29 04:21:01 is the doctor for 1.3.5 available already? Dec 29 04:21:06 no Dec 29 04:21:07 1.3.1 Dec 29 04:21:16 oo okay Dec 29 04:21:40 I saw Jason's update about 10 mins ago. Dec 29 04:21:44 anyone else can successfully install from app catalog after OTA to 1.3.5 and have terminal access? Dec 29 04:21:45 I guess I should doctor my Pre about now Dec 29 04:21:57 I have terminal access Dec 29 04:21:59 me too.. Dec 29 04:22:00 I have a failing something from homebrew is stopping the app move Dec 29 04:22:24 I have to back to 1.3.2 so I can restore my profile.. Dec 29 04:22:42 Na, Im just now messing with the update. I just got home :p Dec 29 04:22:52 I like a fresh install Dec 29 04:23:44 reinstalled iphone user agent with no hassle. Dec 29 04:24:13 oh motherfuck! I had a terminal card open and chose to install an app from the official catalog to see the size usage impacted and the thing crashed and auto rebooted on me! Dec 29 04:24:44 hmm Dec 29 04:25:03 egaudet: did you mean "feeling" (freudian slip?) Dec 29 04:25:15 hehe yea Dec 29 04:25:33 oil, Dec 29 04:25:39 ? Dec 29 04:25:46 oil what do you show for ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info Dec 29 04:25:47 hey egaudet did you use mvapp? Dec 29 04:25:53 seems preware won't load on 1.3.5... yay Dec 29 04:25:55 Dwolf79, nope Dec 29 04:25:59 hmmm Dec 29 04:26:00 ok Dec 29 04:26:11 aha Dec 29 04:26:13 stupid patches Dec 29 04:26:14 uh Dec 29 04:26:38 Sedorox: It will run fine just uninstall and re-install preware and package-manager-service in wosqi Dec 29 04:26:46 Doesn't the 1.3.x doctor leave your USB partition alone? Dec 29 04:26:57 I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but does using the preware-bootstrap.sh have any negative effects vs. using QI? My packages don't appear in webOSQI Dec 29 04:27:07 v3ritas: nope, either is fine Dec 29 04:27:09 egaudet: its filled with stuff now, i don't think it was before Dec 29 04:27:12 USB Passthrough Control now requires an "Authorization Code" and it isn't the MSL. Dec 29 04:27:17 I ipkg -o /var remove *.patches my apps were properly moved Dec 29 04:27:27 sooo the evil patches strike again Dec 29 04:27:31 omg im going to break this damn phone soon.. Dec 29 04:27:34 Dwolf79: just reinstalling package manager service is good enough Dec 29 04:27:35 Dwolf79: hmm kk, I'll reinstall via terminal Dec 29 04:27:38 doctoring keeps failing Dec 29 04:27:52 @rwhitby: Thank you! I've been lurking in the room hoping it would be said so i didn't have to bother anyone Dec 29 04:27:54 rwhitby-away, so nm on that whole dual app area support I guess Dec 29 04:28:02 Bentfork: interesting! Dec 29 04:28:12 now to find out what exactly was the problem Dec 29 04:28:41 egaudet: especially since I don't believe deleting the patches will make aupt work any better ;) Dec 29 04:29:27 rwhitby-away: I was going to see if I could implement the GPS fix by Ebag333. Dec 29 04:29:48 Bentfork: guess you'll need to doctor back to 1.3.1 to do it Dec 29 04:29:51 rwhitby-away: I was in the screen earlier today before upgrading to 1.3.5 Dec 29 04:29:59 hmm. installing tmaps after the crash and it failed and then prompted me to reboot. "system adjustments must be made" Dec 29 04:30:13 webOS uses the DSP to decode AAC files, that's an interesting fact. Dec 29 04:30:22 rwhitby-away: I think the "doctor" is going to check out for the night. Dec 29 04:30:43 jacques: any luck with 0.9.24.1 ? Dec 29 04:30:53 Good luck everyone. Thanks for all the hard work. Look forward to seeing progress tomorrow. Dec 29 04:30:57 G-night Dec 29 04:31:09 Does the DSP support vorbis? Has this codec even been hacked into musicplayer remix? Dec 29 04:31:39 ok, reinstalling preware via terminal is now working (reported the same versions) Dec 29 04:31:47 danstah, you still getting that catalog restart thing? Dec 29 04:32:05 167 unknown packages, lawl! Dec 29 04:32:08 egaudet, i do Dec 29 04:32:13 en0x, awesome Dec 29 04:32:17 command line? Dec 29 04:32:25 not only the unknown apps, but what about services? Dec 29 04:32:35 ipkg -o /var list_installed pastebin me the output please Dec 29 04:32:38 egaudet: yup i still do and have a command line open Dec 29 04:32:42 egaudet, i gave up Dec 29 04:32:43 ^^ Dec 29 04:32:49 egaudet, palm will be calling me tomorrow Dec 29 04:32:49 :P Dec 29 04:32:51 en0x, i have fixed mine Dec 29 04:33:12 egaudet, what did u do? Dec 29 04:33:21 the issue is for some reason the moving of apps to the new app area failed. Dec 29 04:33:22 rwhitby-away, sorry I didn't know you wanted me to try it yet. I am currently on 1.3.1 with preware 0.9.12 installed. what sequence should I try? Dec 29 04:33:36 I removed all of my patches ipkgs, but I had like 100+ installed so I want to figure out what part of that whole thing was the cause Dec 29 04:33:37 jacques: install the 0.9.24.1 testing version of ipkgservice Dec 29 04:33:43 also, should I remove all my downloaded app before upgrading? Dec 29 04:33:49 and since you two have the issue now I want to see if you can help debug with me Dec 29 04:33:57 jacques: no, just patches Dec 29 04:33:59 so I dont have to re-doctor and re-install and re-OTA Dec 29 04:34:08 yeah I have already EPR'd Dec 29 04:34:18 lemme get on xchat.. this wont let me pm you Dec 29 04:34:21 jacques: do you have wosqi handy? Dec 29 04:34:29 egaudet, i did epr before the update i just left the homebrew apps left Dec 29 04:34:32 rwhitby-away, yes I do. Dec 29 04:34:33 i dont wanna post the whole paste on the channel Dec 29 04:34:43 pastebin! Dec 29 04:34:44 jacques: download the testing ipkg and use wosqi to install it Dec 29 04:34:47 there is an interesting sqlite service test .. Dec 29 04:34:49 hmm. maybe i should relink my email Dec 29 04:35:04 bpadalino, better yet there is a funny module Dec 29 04:35:07 good point Dec 29 04:35:07 i wonder if the official update fixed that. i unlinked right after install Dec 29 04:35:08 jacques: then check you're running 0.9.24.1 and then OTA update Dec 29 04:35:11 en0x: funny module ? Dec 29 04:35:19 rwhitby-away, to be clear, without removing my current preware or package service first, right? Dec 29 04:35:23 en0x, could you pastebin me a ipkg -o /var list_installed output? Dec 29 04:35:24 jacques: correct Dec 29 04:35:24 bpadalino, bc_example.ko Dec 29 04:35:30 hrm .. Dec 29 04:35:31 rwhitby-away, OK here I go. Dec 29 04:35:37 will check it out after this test finished Dec 29 04:35:42 where in the fs is bc_example.ko ? Dec 29 04:35:48 jacques: this is testing the on-device migration path for someone who hasn't OTA'd yet. Dec 29 04:36:03 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e82f184 Dec 29 04:36:04 =( Dec 29 04:36:08 egaudet, http://pastebin.com/m699d579d Dec 29 04:36:21 jacques: (you're just doing the first bit via wosqi, but when it's pushed people will be able to update to it first) Dec 29 04:37:21 bpadalino, /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/tisgxgfx/bc_example.ko Dec 29 04:37:29 danstah, the top of that pastebin is that ls /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ Dec 29 04:37:32 is that entire? Dec 29 04:37:45 en0x, pastebin me output of ls /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ as well please Dec 29 04:38:06 egaudet, ls: /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/: No such file or directory Dec 29 04:38:08 :D Dec 29 04:38:13 err sorry Dec 29 04:38:19 en0x, pastebin me output of ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ as well please Dec 29 04:38:31 lsmod shows the gpu stuff loaded .. Dec 29 04:38:32 neat Dec 29 04:38:53 egaudet, http://pastebin.com/m6357015 Dec 29 04:38:58 stupid doctoring Dec 29 04:39:03 rwhitby-away, after installing the ipk, "device management" shows two package manager services installed 0.9.24 and 0.9.24.1 is that normal? Dec 29 04:39:06 bpadalino, not on mine Dec 29 04:39:08 hmm Dec 29 04:39:13 bpadalino: er... yeah what? Dec 29 04:39:20 its a good thing there is not a hammer near me..else id smash this phone to bits Dec 29 04:39:21 haha Dec 29 04:39:22 pvrsrvkm 143192 2 bc_example,omaplfb Dec 29 04:39:22 egaudet: sorry my connection quit... back now Dec 29 04:39:25 I wonder how suspectible the new GPU groundwork is Dec 29 04:39:30 linuxjacques: yeah, wosqi has a bug where it doesn't check the installed status - one of them will be not-installed in the status file Dec 29 04:39:31 PowerVR Server Kernel Module ? Dec 29 04:39:43 bpadalino: ah, why yes Dec 29 04:39:51 hmmm. Are you guys trying to figure out how to get mvapp to migrate existing homebrew apps in the same manner the official update worked? Dec 29 04:39:58 bpadalino: yeah, dunno if anything in Luna is using it yet though. Dec 29 04:40:08 probably no Dec 29 04:40:08 t Dec 29 04:40:12 rwhitby-away, OK so I installed it. now OTA upgrade? Dec 29 04:40:21 setup-tc.sh ... traffic shaping ? Dec 29 04:40:22 bpadalino: the webos environment seems to be EGL API compatible now, which means in theory it's OpenGL ES compatible (although I'm not sure how to go about testing that) Dec 29 04:40:56 OK so my gut is now suspecting dependent package problem Dec 29 04:41:18 danstah, could you also pastebin me the entire output of ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info Dec 29 04:41:33 http://webos.pastebin.com/d46104dbc Dec 29 04:41:48 ooh, OOM helpers to tell bootie there was an OOM reboot .. Dec 29 04:41:48 does anyone know where the epr is now? Dec 29 04:41:52 OOM = out of memory Dec 29 04:42:53 JS remote debugging should be easy now .. Dec 29 04:43:21 there is a /usr/bin/debug command Dec 29 04:43:32 looks like i get no sleep tonight till my phone works again Dec 29 04:43:33 which sends javascript flags for remote debugging Dec 29 04:44:09 "installing update do not remove battery" Dec 29 04:44:10 bpadalino - check out ares.palm.com to see remote debugging in action Dec 29 04:44:18 ah, they have it all setup in there ? Dec 29 04:44:19 nie Dec 29 04:44:20 nice Dec 29 04:44:27 with an integrated logging viewer too: app-only or all Dec 29 04:44:33 device or emulator Dec 29 04:44:36 neat Dec 29 04:44:37 linuxjacques: yes, OTA upgrade now, and look for the upstart script to move stuff from /var/etc/ipkg/* to /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/* after the upgrade is finished Dec 29 04:44:58 heh, the hiddiag seems to have been updated too .. Dec 29 04:45:14 the palm 1.3.5 sdk has a new option to enable (more than just "err") logging on the fly for apps, too Dec 29 04:45:17 does webos have javascript bindings for opengl es now? Dec 29 04:45:24 lemketron_: Is single stepping javascript available ? Dec 29 04:45:31 from ares, yes. Dec 29 04:45:45 actually, should work from "debug" too if you like gdb cmd-line. Dec 29 04:45:57 if not let me know. :-) Dec 29 04:46:24 you can of course import a js app into ares and use it for source-level js debugging Dec 29 04:46:34 Sure beats the old days of using alert statements. Dec 29 04:46:36 (even if you didn't use ares to design the ui) Dec 29 04:47:21 I'm told the 1.3.5 sdk should be available tomorrow from developer.palm.com Dec 29 04:47:27 so will optware still be in /var ? Dec 29 04:47:53 hey .. hiddiag shows some intersting stuff Dec 29 04:47:56 rwhitby-away, do you know offhand where the app moving takes place? Dec 29 04:48:06 egaudet: Luna Restart Dec 29 04:48:19 lemketron_: I'll kinda miss throwing Mojo.Log.error("here 1") all over my code though. Dec 29 04:48:21 looks like there is a Pause, Play, Next, Prev button coming on a new device Dec 29 04:48:23 so we'd have to strace LunaSysMgr? Dec 29 04:48:35 egaudet: I suspect so Dec 29 04:48:36 drnull: you can still do that -- makes the output "red" in ares. Dec 29 04:48:49 but I get freaked out every time I see "error" when it was really just a fyi Dec 29 04:48:50 as well as a sending audio jack .. as this one doesn't seem to see it Dec 29 04:49:17 ppl start praying my device gets doctored properly this time around Dec 29 04:49:21 else i have no idea what to do Dec 29 04:49:22 lol Dec 29 04:49:30 lemketron_: agreed, that was just all that I could get to show up in the past on device. ;) line level debugging will rock. Thanks for thinking of the poor devs. Dec 29 04:49:37 jacques: optware is still in /var/opt, and I put a symlink in place for installations into /media/cryptofs/apps/var/opt to get back to the real /var partition. optware needs permissions and symlinks, so can't live on /media/cryptofs/apps Dec 29 04:49:49 drnull: that's what I do all day (and most nights) Dec 29 04:49:55 heh, i've never actually run LunaSysMgr from the commandline to see what it spits out Dec 29 04:50:16 heh Dec 29 04:50:20 lemketron_: any eclipse support for javascript debug ? Dec 29 04:50:42 rwhitby-away, OK good. I'm assuming I'll still have my 2GiB /var after this update. Dec 29 04:50:50 jacques: yes, you will. Dec 29 04:50:52 rwhitby: not yet; it's still on our list, but I have to wonder if people will still want it after trying ares... Dec 29 04:51:15 lemketron_: I can't write apps in the outback using ares .... Dec 29 04:51:20 OK it says "palm" now..... hmm. now it went back to "installing update do not remove battery" Dec 29 04:51:51 rwhitby: offline support for ares is also on the (wish) list... :-) Dec 29 04:52:12 and the progress bar started back at 0 Dec 29 04:52:19 that seems ... wrong Dec 29 04:52:48 ** (LunaSysMgr:2578): WARNING **: getFsFreeSpaceInBlocks: /media/cryptofs/apps = 216230 units at 32768 bytes/unit Dec 29 04:52:48 ** (LunaSysMgr:2578): WARNING **: startAppMigration: could not extract size of app org.webosinternals.ipkgservice by any known means; not adding it for migration Dec 29 04:53:54 whoops! Dec 29 04:54:12 huh. Dec 29 04:54:27 guess "du -s" doesn't count... :-/ Dec 29 04:55:03 is ipkgservice an app or a service? or both? Dec 29 04:55:23 epic Dec 29 04:55:44 en0x, danstah, Dec 29 04:56:04 still up for some debugging? Dec 29 04:56:04 lemketron_: it's both - that's how we do secure user consent Dec 29 04:56:07 egaudet: yes Dec 29 04:56:29 yeah, that's what I thought... but you might want/need the app to be migrated, though perhaps not the service? Dec 29 04:56:29 jacques: novaterm in and see what it's doing Dec 29 04:56:37 stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr pastebin me the ouput Dec 29 04:57:04 What happens if I install an app that is already there withouut removing it first? Particularly services. Dec 29 04:57:13 rwhitby-away, unable to find device Dec 29 04:57:17 lemketron_: I pushed an update a couple of weeks ago which should make ipkgservice impervious to whether it is migrated or not. Dec 29 04:57:24 it was working before I started the update Dec 29 04:57:37 linuxjacques: I guess it took down novacomd - not surprising Dec 29 04:57:54 egaudet: what the command for that Dec 29 04:57:55 rwhitby-away, maybe the feed fix shouldn't be pushed until the app move problems are figured out? Dec 29 04:58:00 egaudet: kill? Dec 29 04:58:05 ChrisXS: webos-internals services have all been updated to clean up cruft from the old location Dec 29 04:58:19 nice Dec 29 04:58:20 danstah, command for what? Dec 29 04:58:25 jacques: are you on a 2nd "Do not remove your battery" screen? Dec 29 04:58:33 egaudet: I haven't seen a widespread app move problem yet Dec 29 04:58:35 stop LunaSysMgr Dec 29 04:58:37 Underzenith85, yes. Dec 29 04:58:47 egaudet: when i type that command i get that stop is not a command Dec 29 04:58:48 rwhitby-away, I had it, en0x has it, danstah has it Dec 29 04:58:49 that is probably normal Dec 29 04:58:53 egaudet: compared to there definitely being a widespread preware update problem Dec 29 04:59:03 Underzenith85, OK that makes me feel better Dec 29 04:59:05 egaudet: what's the synthesis? I haven't been following that. Dec 29 04:59:19 rwhitby-away, something in homebrew is stopping the app move process Dec 29 04:59:22 egaudet, http://pastebin.com/m319c3a64 Dec 29 04:59:30 thus nothing gets moved from /var and preware sees nothing installed Dec 29 04:59:48 my fear is that if the feed iss fixed, those with this issue will install duplicates, and then run into really odd issues once we figure out this issue Dec 29 04:59:55 I can confirm that preware is broken after the update. WOSQI to delete and reinstall fixes the issue Dec 29 05:00:30 egaudet: i had that problem Dec 29 05:00:34 The symptoms of it can be seen from the app catalog too when you try to install from app catalog, it says you need to restart, but it will keep saying that because each luna restart never fixes the problem Dec 29 05:00:35 i manually removed some services Dec 29 05:00:43 and oil had that problem too Dec 29 05:00:46 flashlight service, precorder service, freetetherd Dec 29 05:00:50 oil, i suspect you would have gotten app cat. error too Dec 29 05:00:51 and its working ok now Dec 29 05:01:02 i didnt even try app cat till after Dec 29 05:01:05 I had the problem adn ipkg -o /var remove *patches and it worked after Dec 29 05:01:08 after i fixed it that is Dec 29 05:01:09 this is interesting Dec 29 05:01:10 # Dec 29 05:01:10 ** (LunaSysMgr:2630): WARNING **: Turbo mode off Dec 29 05:01:14 turbo MODE!!!! Dec 29 05:01:16 i removed patches before installing Dec 29 05:01:18 rofl Dec 29 05:01:19 egaudet: i get sh: stop: not found Dec 29 05:01:32 danstah, are you root? Dec 29 05:01:37 yup Dec 29 05:01:58 which stop Dec 29 05:02:27 egaudet: stop LunaSysMgr Dec 29 05:02:35 i get that sh error Dec 29 05:02:35 on the pre? Dec 29 05:02:45 it's at 9 o'clock now Dec 29 05:02:57 egaudet: ya its a pre Dec 29 05:03:23 now it says "palm" again Dec 29 05:03:41 egaudet: services have been updated to disable /var versions, so that's not an issue. Dec 29 05:04:07 jacques, you should see a flashing palm screen soon Dec 29 05:04:19 egaudet: lemme do a restart Dec 29 05:04:21 yes, flashing palm and it brought the USB up Dec 29 05:04:28 I am movatermed in now Dec 29 05:04:33 novaterm'd Dec 29 05:04:59 oil: so is the conjecture that homebrew packages that don't have an appinfo.json are causing the migration problem? Dec 29 05:05:05 rwhitby-away, I don't understand that? disable var versions how? Dec 29 05:05:21 i didn't remove all packages Dec 29 05:05:26 ipkgservice has an appinfo.json? Dec 29 05:05:30 egaudet: by removing stuff from /var explicitly if it detects it's installing into cryptofs Dec 29 05:05:31 high percentage of iowait Dec 29 05:05:32 and strangely, installing a patch on 135 Dec 29 05:05:39 egaudet: yes Dec 29 05:05:40 asked me to install the linux apps required Dec 29 05:05:45 it remvoes ipkg stuff too ? Dec 29 05:05:45 even though i never removed them Dec 29 05:06:32 it's odd Dec 29 05:06:39 some things like diffstat and patch dont' get moved Dec 29 05:06:46 and it's up. says the update was sucessful and my sofware is ready to use Dec 29 05:06:46 but it doesn't stop the app moving Dec 29 05:07:01 jacques: before doing anything, check /var/etc/ipkg Dec 29 05:07:05 but other things seemingly stop the entire app moving Dec 29 05:07:08 jacques: and /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg Dec 29 05:07:33 rwhitby-away, OK Dec 29 05:07:44 just did that on mine and they match Dec 29 05:08:35 * oil thinks he is going to doctor 135 when its released Dec 29 05:08:51 I'm usbnet ssh'd in as root Dec 29 05:09:04 en0x, were you trying to install paratrooper from app cat? Dec 29 05:09:14 is Casper an old or new codename ? Dec 29 05:09:17 do we know of it already ? Dec 29 05:09:25 egaudet, tes Dec 29 05:09:29 yes* Dec 29 05:09:46 rwhitby-away, /var/etc/ipkg has what look like feed .conf files Dec 29 05:10:07 bpadalino: we don't know casper as far as I know Dec 29 05:10:15 rwhitby-away, /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg appears empty Dec 29 05:10:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1098 Dec 12 17:23 HidPlugins_Casper.xml Dec 29 05:10:24 from /etc/hidd Dec 29 05:10:41 linuxjacques: ok, do a Java Restart from Luna Manager if you have it Dec 29 05:10:45 there are a bunch of xml files here .. were they there before? Dec 29 05:10:53 i wonder if those can control if the button is considered back Dec 29 05:11:03 egaudet: still restarting Dec 29 05:11:11 rwhitby-away, OK doing... Dec 29 05:11:49 So much for the update... just dropped my pre and cracked screen lol Dec 29 05:12:00 d'oh! Dec 29 05:12:01 Stik: ouch Dec 29 05:12:03 en0x, try to remove the gstservice Dec 29 05:12:18 danstah, you stopped the LunaSysMgr? Dec 29 05:12:22 rwhitby-away, you did mean "restart java" and not "restart luna" right? Dec 29 05:12:33 OK it's done with the "restart java" Dec 29 05:12:40 jacques: check the dirs again Dec 29 05:13:12 /var/etc/ipkg/ is empty Dec 29 05:13:36 egaudet: still getting that the stop command cannot be found Dec 29 05:13:49 /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg appears to have the files which were in /var/etc/ipkg before Dec 29 05:13:52 type whoami Dec 29 05:14:00 linuxjacques: good, the upstart script worked Dec 29 05:14:09 i am root Dec 29 05:14:10 linuxjacques: now run preware Dec 29 05:14:15 /sbin/stop LunaSysMgr Dec 29 05:14:15 OK Dec 29 05:14:26 rwhitby-away, it's OK that I have preware 0.9.12 ? Dec 29 05:14:38 jacques: yep, that's the intended test scenario Dec 29 05:15:02 rwhitby-away, patches don't remove stuff from /var I don't think Dec 29 05:15:14 it's acting like preware first run Dec 29 05:15:19 egaudet: probably not Dec 29 05:15:29 and all apps don't either since they don't have postinst Dec 29 05:15:31 showed the help and now is downloading feeds Dec 29 05:15:33 all non-advanced apps Dec 29 05:15:38 egaudet: nod Dec 29 05:15:57 oil: that means 1.3.5 blows away cookies Dec 29 05:15:58 rwhitby-away, hey cool. it shows 5 installed packages which I think it correct Dec 29 05:15:58 egaudet: ok that worked.. pastebin in a sec Dec 29 05:15:59 so if people get this issue after you release the feed fix, there will be many people who will see nothing installed in preware Dec 29 05:16:03 bpadalino: http://icculus.org/~joshua/prefiles.txt lists that file and the metadata indicates that file was last updated june 10th Dec 29 05:16:11 and 498 avail (I had disabled prethemer feed before) Dec 29 05:16:13 i'm curious. by unlinking my email after update, is my mail currently in the wrong place or has that not been touched at all by palm? Dec 29 05:16:15 if they go reinstall their apps from preware, they will have duplicate apps installed in /var and /media/cryptofs/apps Dec 29 05:16:16 egaudet, removed and tried to reinstall paratroopers and other free apps from catalog still no go Dec 29 05:16:25 and I've no idea where the problem/fix for this is yet Dec 29 05:16:30 egaudet: people with services installed is a very small minority Dec 29 05:16:38 it's not just services Dec 29 05:16:47 and patches will have been removed Dec 29 05:16:51 and other apps will be migrated Dec 29 05:17:02 you can't assume patches will have been removed Dec 29 05:17:08 rwhitby-away, it thinks package manager service is version 0.9.24 tho - OK ? Dec 29 05:17:20 jacques: yeah, that's a preware bug Dec 29 05:17:20 and we can't assume that only a small minority of services can we Dec 29 05:17:28 good evening all Dec 29 05:17:39 egaudet: it's the lesser of two evils at the moment Dec 29 05:17:40 is it just me or is it a lot snappier now? Dec 29 05:17:50 people are going to get the problem whether or not I push this update Dec 29 05:18:02 right but Preware isn't "working" without this update Dec 29 05:18:04 it really feels faster Dec 29 05:18:10 so they wont be able to install anything without this update Dec 29 05:18:11 the pre? Dec 29 05:18:18 rwhitby-away, any outstanding tasks for me? Dec 29 05:18:21 egaudet: the word is already out to reinstall preware using wosqi Dec 29 05:18:30 egaudet: so this is no worse Dec 29 05:18:37 so i updated my phone today removed theme and patches before running the update. after the update i got an error on preware when trying to load/update feeds. so i uninstalled and am now attempting to reinstall with no luck followed tutorial on www.preware.org and still not working Dec 29 05:18:38 ah, weak Dec 29 05:18:41 ok Dec 29 05:18:47 damn I miss my patches... when can I have them back? Dec 29 05:18:54 jacques: update feeds Dec 29 05:18:58 they will appear like magic Dec 29 05:19:10 ah i see there is a preware bug with this update Dec 29 05:19:25 jacques, make sure your app move has been successful Dec 29 05:19:27 I got preware working when I did a reinstall through the command line install Dec 29 05:19:36 rwhitby-away, it downloaded the feeds when preware started - I mean can I install patches now? or should I wait? Dec 29 05:19:37 speaking of services. some are gone from feeds such as the flashlight service. i have no plans to remove it, but i'm worried i'll have lingering files in locations that aren't halal Dec 29 05:19:48 egaudet: I fully agree with your concern, but unless we have a better fix on what causes the app migration problem I think we need to push this first fix. we can push other fixes later too. Dec 29 05:19:51 egaudet, how can I check that? Dec 29 05:20:21 ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ jacques Dec 29 05:20:27 and/or try to install a free app from app catalog Dec 29 05:20:44 egaudet: given the choices, what's your considered opinion on the best way forward? Dec 29 05:21:00 rwhitby-away, yea I guess getting this out now is best Dec 29 05:21:15 I see various metafiles in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ Dec 29 05:21:20 since most will already be doing the reinstall, we can't get a nice fix for this problem in time Dec 29 05:21:25 egaudet: cause I don't want to rush this if anyone thinks it will make things worse not better Dec 29 05:21:39 hash files, manifests, control files Dec 29 05:22:06 jacques, what about in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Dec 29 05:22:22 linuxjacques: manifests are palm's, .sha1 files are our script signing stuff, rest is standard ipkg Dec 29 05:22:44 HEY GUISE Dec 29 05:23:00 I have 10MiB of stuff in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr looks like my apps Dec 29 05:23:06 egaudet, jacques, lemketron_: final thumbs up or thumbs down on pushing 0.9.24.1 ? Dec 29 05:23:26 "strings /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr | grep -i turbo" Dec 29 05:23:36 zsoc: gpu accel? Dec 29 05:23:56 rwhitby-away, AFAICT it went fine. let me try to install a new app... Dec 29 05:24:00 turbo is off Dec 29 05:24:03 ;] Dec 29 05:24:10 yeah, turbo mode is off .. i saw that in a log .. kind of weird Dec 29 05:24:13 preware sees your packages as installed jacques? then you should be fine Dec 29 05:24:15 rwhitby-away: i am willing to take a bet :) Dec 29 05:24:19 did you notice the mobilehotspotd and minidhcpd ? Dec 29 05:24:35 is turbo mode 600mhz? Dec 29 05:24:45 egaudet, yes, it does. Dec 29 05:24:50 ChrisXS: no, assumption is GPU accell of UI Dec 29 05:24:52 any idea what mmipkg maybe be ? Dec 29 05:24:57 bpadalino: Knowing Sprint I'm sure that's for other providers :) Dec 29 05:25:10 hey all, I removed/reinstalled preware and it seems to be working Dec 29 05:25:18 oh, maybe i should just vi the script file Dec 29 05:25:20 dpadalino: multimedia? Dec 29 05:25:26 but seriously, am I the on;y one who thinks the card updates are *much* faster? Dec 29 05:25:28 but it doesn't recognise any of the installed apps in /var Dec 29 05:25:29 bitshifter1001: i tried the same thing and its not working Dec 29 05:25:34 It's also apparently the "pretty function" Dec 29 05:25:41 I've heard the web browser got a decent speed update Dec 29 05:25:52 egaudet, lemketron_: final thumbs up or thumbs down on pushing 0.9.24.1 ? Dec 29 05:25:58 thumbs up Dec 29 05:26:11 I'm assuming Preware breaking app catalog has come up... I'm suspecting all the cruft Preware leaves behind in /var may be part of the issue Dec 29 05:26:26 the pre needs a hardware turbo switch next to the ringer switch :-) Dec 29 05:26:39 yes!! 0.9.24.1 :D Dec 29 05:27:01 Zorin, preware doesn't break it Dec 29 05:27:11 something with homebrew in /var does Dec 29 05:27:18 it breaks the app migration process Dec 29 05:27:23 we haven't figured out what exactly yet Dec 29 05:27:39 boboysdadda: I reinstalled via command line, you can probably do the same with woqi Dec 29 05:27:40 holly molly Dec 29 05:27:44 egaudet log would I look out to help figure that out Dec 29 05:27:45 the browser is a speed king now Dec 29 05:27:52 Ahh cool. I'm just seeing people doctoring their phones over this, when I figured it was being worked on and folks should be patient Dec 29 05:27:54 egaudet: sorry which log Dec 29 05:28:06 Dwolf79, your best bet is bringing LunaSysMgr to the forefront Dec 29 05:28:07 bitshifter1001: i used woqi to install didn't work Dec 29 05:28:16 Is the GPU accessed at all now? Like anything going on in its core? Dec 29 05:28:30 we'll have to trace through that for the app migration Dec 29 05:28:37 boboysdadda: make sure you reboot Dec 29 05:28:41 egaudet: can I do that through the term in WOSQI or should I ssh in Dec 29 05:28:41 I just installed and ran daliclock, no problem Dec 29 05:28:47 egaudet: i noticed that when i do a reboot a little screen pops up that says something to the effect of doing something in the update process. Dec 29 05:28:57 i'ver never used the term in WOSQI so I dunno Dec 29 05:29:05 egaudet: so it seems like the pre knows there is something wrong and is trying to fix it Dec 29 05:29:10 but ssh or novaterm'd in you can bring it to the foreground Dec 29 05:29:36 danstah, yea the app migration will be attempted each time and fail for some reason it seems Dec 29 05:29:48 i should remove all homebrew crap Dec 29 05:30:00 one by one and check in paraller with app catalog Dec 29 05:30:00 egaudet: this at least gives me hope that it can be fixed Dec 29 05:30:01 hmm Dec 29 05:30:05 just did LunaSysMgr in the wosqi term and got the allow in low memory messages... but a new line after Dec 29 05:30:28 you should be able to use luna restart rather than complete reboot to trigger the migration process Dec 29 05:30:36 Halfway done downloading this stupid update lol Dec 29 05:30:39 bitshifter1001: yeah that might help Dec 29 05:30:45 trying it now Dec 29 05:30:49 Its only like 16mb so it shouldnt be that had to download... Dec 29 05:30:51 Dwolf79, then yea it won't work Dec 29 05:30:53 hard* Dec 29 05:30:58 you will get a ton of output from running it Dec 29 05:31:04 but you want to stop the currently running one first Dec 29 05:31:27 egaudet: that is what I thought... Dec 29 05:32:23 smoke break bbiaf Dec 29 05:33:02 egaudet: http://pastebin.com/d5243fda Have you tried to just remove all these packages? Dec 29 05:34:16 Maybe remove only the homebrew stuff in that list? Dec 29 05:34:27 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 335419 Dec 12 17:25 libGLESv2.so Dec 29 05:34:28 fun Dec 29 05:34:39 rwhitby: just about down unpacking. Dec 29 05:34:43 s/down/done/ Dec 29 05:34:45 lemketron_ meant: rwhitby: just about done unpacking. Dec 29 05:34:52 danstah, yea that's what fixed mine I just removed all my patches packages Dec 29 05:35:02 infobot ? Dec 29 05:35:05 it "fixed" it in the sense that the apps that could be migrated were Dec 29 05:35:16 Package Manager Service 0.9.24.1 is released. Dec 29 05:35:19 but I have no idea what exactly was cuasing it, which we need to figure out Dec 29 05:35:27 Anyone know if the callblock patch will still work? Dec 29 05:35:29 egaudet: so do we have any of the same apps? Dec 29 05:35:36 nope Dec 29 05:35:43 aside from preware and ipkgservice Dec 29 05:36:07 can someone who has not yet updated to 1.3.5 please confirm that preware sees the package manager service 0.9.24.1 upgrade? Dec 29 05:36:07 egaudet: guess i could try to remove all the webos internals stuff Dec 29 05:36:30 time to sleep Dec 29 05:36:37 I'm thinking it's probably apps in /var/usr/palm/applications/ that don't have appinfo.json files Dec 29 05:36:38 gotta wake up early and go to work Dec 29 05:36:40 laterz Dec 29 05:36:59 egaudet: that'd be my first guess Dec 29 05:37:17 egaudet: do you have a pastebin of the failure log? Dec 29 05:37:22 wow. ipkg -o /var list was a mistake (in Terminal) Dec 29 05:37:27 ah, it stopped Dec 29 05:37:27 Someone want to throw TurboMode=true into luna.conf and see if their phone breaks? :P Dec 29 05:37:50 well this is a pastebin from en0x that shows all the output from running LunaSysMgr Dec 29 05:37:53 http://pastebin.com/m319c3a64 Dec 29 05:37:59 Blah. Can anyone quickly tell me what the preware package is called, so I can remove it via the command line? Dec 29 05:38:13 tlp: org.webosinternals.preware ? Dec 29 05:38:22 I removed a powerd patch I had installed in /var and now the "Updating the system" is taking longer. Good sign. Dec 29 05:39:27 zsoc: hmm. That didn't seem to do it. Maybe I'll ssh in and figure this out. thanks Dec 29 05:40:24 egaudet: are any flags necessary to keep LunaSysMgr in the forground? Dec 29 05:40:42 Dwolf79, nope Dec 29 05:40:47 cool Dec 29 05:40:49 was libogg and libvorbis included before in 1.3.1 ? Dec 29 05:40:52 ah, crap. Except I can't. Dec 29 05:40:52 stop LunaSysMgr to stop it via upstart Dec 29 05:40:55 and start to start it Dec 29 05:41:00 start LunaSysMgr Dec 29 05:41:07 zsoc: Wanna try it? Dec 29 05:41:15 the update killed ssh Dec 29 05:41:19 you want to ctrl-C the foreground and start it again after debugging Dec 29 05:41:31 ChrisXS: the turbo thing was a joke, there's no hook for any conf option Dec 29 05:41:46 heh Dec 29 05:41:50 bitshifter1001: so i rebooted and still have the same error Dec 29 05:42:03 i was about to download the image, extract it and browse Dec 29 05:42:08 glad you told me now :-) Dec 29 05:42:13 i need to hit the sack Dec 29 05:42:15 boboysdadda: what error? Dec 29 05:42:35 ChrisXS: well, there isn't one i could _find_ by hex-poking through lunasysmgr Dec 29 05:42:39 tlp: you want to reinstall ipkgservice - use http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Dec 29 05:42:48 ah, k. thanks Dec 29 05:42:51 hm.. good idea Dec 29 05:42:54 bitshifter1001: TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined Dec 29 05:43:17 rwhitby: thanks! Dec 29 05:43:22 boboysdadda: install package manager service 0.9.24.1 Dec 29 05:43:34 rwhitby: can I just wget that to the pre and run it after remounting the filesystem? Dec 29 05:44:02 rwhitby: through wosqi? Dec 29 05:44:25 "Fixing unknown packages"? When I started Preware? Dec 29 05:44:40 boboysdadda: any way you can Dec 29 05:45:04 preware if still on 1.3.1, wosqi if on 1.3.5 Dec 29 05:45:15 I installed the callblock patch, and now my phone status is "offline". Restarting to see if that solves the issue. Dec 29 05:45:21 egaudet: removed the webos internals files from the /var directory and fixed it Dec 29 05:45:32 egaudet: using ipkg Dec 29 05:45:38 Update: it did Dec 29 05:45:49 Hey guys. Preware does not see any home brew apps allready installed on my pre after updating to 1.3.5 and after reinstalling preware Dec 29 05:45:50 only the webos internals files? Dec 29 05:45:55 yes Dec 29 05:46:09 rwhitby: ok installed through wosqi and rebooting Dec 29 05:46:09 http://pastebin.com/d5243fda Dec 29 05:46:11 last time i used a hex editor was to dig into my old palmos db files to get my vision password for some hot bluetooth dun tethering action Dec 29 05:46:23 egaudet: everything on there that said webosinternals Dec 29 05:46:39 well, that was painless. let's see if it worked. Dec 29 05:46:39 danstah, ok Dec 29 05:47:09 rwhitby: Preware does not see any home brew apps allready installed on my pre after updating to 1.3.5 and after reinstalling preware and ipkg manager service Dec 29 05:47:59 where the kernel modules in /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/tisgxgfx there before? and now they are loaded, there only used to be two modules loaded I thought Dec 29 05:48:07 rwhitby:"ipkg -o /var list_installed does not show any of my newliy applied patches Dec 29 05:48:15 navinag: yep, it won't see them until the Palm automatic migration moves them to the new area. Dec 29 05:48:16 any thoughts Dec 29 05:48:29 I am restarting again because it was not connecting to my wifi network at startup by defualt. trying to fix Dec 29 05:48:31 ahhh Dec 29 05:48:47 navinag: tell me again about newly applied patches? Dec 29 05:48:49 i will look to see if now my apps show up in preware Dec 29 05:49:14 rwhitby: preware seems to be working now thanks Dec 29 05:49:20 egaudet: sorry its not the best fix and still leaves some questions Dec 29 05:49:25 rwhitby:"ipkg -o /var list_installed" from the command line does not show any of my newliy applied patches Dec 29 05:49:50 navinag: try "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed" Dec 29 05:50:17 rwhitby: the patches are applied because they work.. I have pplied two,,,"remove icon titles" and :"4X4 V3 icons" Dec 29 05:50:47 Is there a way to update package manager from the command line via terminal on the device? for the life of me I have yet to be able to get WOSQI or the preware installer to see the pre. Ugh. Dec 29 05:50:58 SirWill: use the bootstrap script Dec 29 05:51:08 SirWill: are you following @webosinternals on twitter? Dec 29 05:51:08 rwhitby: that worked....nice Dec 29 05:51:17 yeah, Dec 29 05:51:35 rwhitby: so when is the automatic migration supposed to happen? Dec 29 05:51:36 I made the mistake of going to 1.3.5 a couple hours ago. ;) Dec 29 05:51:45 mistake? Dec 29 05:51:57 navinag: on each luna restart Dec 29 05:52:01 no patches will install Dec 29 05:52:17 1.3.5 dropped patch support? Dec 29 05:52:23 rwhitby: it does one app at a time? Dec 29 05:52:29 navinag: dunno Dec 29 05:52:31 rwhitby:: or a few? Dec 29 05:53:08 rwhitby: so I should asee apps start to show up in preware that are installed? Dec 29 05:53:17 now my packages show up in preware Dec 29 05:53:33 en0x, ping Dec 29 05:53:40 after i removed all the webosinternals packages from the var directory Dec 29 05:53:58 so i heard 1.3.5 laid the groundwork for gpu supprt Dec 29 05:54:11 danstah: how did you remove them? Dec 29 05:54:25 ipkg -o /var remove Dec 29 05:54:36 cool Dec 29 05:54:45 i keep getting error when trying to install patches Dec 29 05:55:20 I suspect it was gstservice and/or mvapp danstah Dec 29 05:55:51 something that populated /var/usr/palm/applications/ but was not an app Dec 29 05:55:58 egaudet: ya thats my bad i shoulda done one at a time Dec 29 05:55:58 that is my guess at the moment Dec 29 05:55:59 egaudet: I don't have mvapp but I do have gstservice Dec 29 05:56:11 egaudet: it just woulda taken forevever Dec 29 05:56:11 bitshifter1001, are you willing to try a couple of things/ Dec 29 05:56:12 ? Dec 29 05:56:22 is there something else i need to install in order to get patches to install or a command i need to use? Dec 29 05:56:24 danstah, yea I know i had 100+ patches installed and just removed them all at once :p Dec 29 05:56:28 egaudet: I can test by removing just that package....sure I can test Dec 29 05:56:34 welll Dec 29 05:56:45 boboysdadda: you haven't given us any information yet. Dec 29 05:56:47 I wanted to see if we could add an appinfo.json file to it's app dir and see if that allowed the move Dec 29 05:57:07 but yea remove it bitshifter Dec 29 05:57:08 rwhitby: sorry but i don't know what information it is u need exactly Dec 29 05:57:22 well actually Dec 29 05:57:23 what the error you see when you try to install a patch would be a good start .... Dec 29 05:57:25 egaudet: I can add the appinfo.json Dec 29 05:57:54 ok if you create a dummy appinfo.json and put it in /var/usr/palm/applications/*gstservice/ Dec 29 05:58:09 and then restart luna to see if the app migration works Dec 29 05:59:32 2epong Dec 29 05:59:47 rwhitby: ERROR: cannot satisfy the following dependencies for org.webosinternals.patches.email-actual words-instead0of-icons: org.webosinternals.patch org.webosinternals.diffstatt Failed ErrorGenericMethodExceptioni: Failure during 'install' operation Dec 29 06:00:14 baahhh he pinged out Dec 29 06:00:20 boboysdadda: did you update feeds? Dec 29 06:00:26 egaudet, pong Dec 29 06:00:26 :D Dec 29 06:00:49 what a terrible night for this update to come out .. i really should be sleeping now :( Dec 29 06:00:51 it should have when it started but i'll try it Dec 29 06:00:58 yay for bootstrap from terminal on pre for preware update! :) so far updating feeds now Dec 29 06:01:48 en0x, can you find which dirs in /var/usr/palm/applications/ contain at least one item but no appinfo.json file? Dec 29 06:01:54 for some reason I can't update apps with the app catalog now Dec 29 06:02:31 wait Dec 29 06:02:34 rwhitby: same error after updating feeds Dec 29 06:02:38 its copying i guess Dec 29 06:02:41 egaudet, hold on Dec 29 06:03:00 egaudet: should I start work on a "remove all services without appinfo.json" postinst package? Dec 29 06:03:10 ** (LunaSysMgr:2792): WARNING **: cbMigrate_detached: Destination fs [/media/cryptofs/apps] has approx. 3707 MB left, calculated app size for on the target fs will be approx. 4 MB Dec 29 06:03:14 :) Dec 29 06:03:53 ** (LunaSysMgr:2792): WARNING **: cbMigrate_detached: Destination fs [/media/cryptofs/apps] has approx. 3637 MB left, calculated app size for on the target fs will be approx. 12 MB Dec 29 06:03:57 yap its migrating Dec 29 06:04:02 egaudet: or get ipkgservice to touch appinfo.json in all /var/usr/palm/applications/ dirs? Dec 29 06:04:17 egaudet, ;D Dec 29 06:04:18 Hmmm already hacking around? :p Dec 29 06:04:34 ok Dec 29 06:04:35 ** (LunaSysMgr:2792): WARNING **: cbMigrationDone_detached: --- --- >> RESTARTING SYSMGR, POST MIGRATION (38 apps succeeded out of 38 attempted)<< --- --- Dec 29 06:04:36 is the flash pkg new to 1.3.5 ? Dec 29 06:04:45 egaudet, ^ Dec 29 06:04:49 looks like it worked Dec 29 06:04:56 en0x, what did ya do Dec 29 06:05:31 i just did cd /var/usr/palm/applications/*gstservice/ Dec 29 06:05:31 rwhitby, I'm trying to get confirmation of whether we can just touch appinfo.json or what Dec 29 06:05:35 touch appinfo.json Dec 29 06:05:39 and restarted luna Dec 29 06:05:44 ok that's confirmation Dec 29 06:05:45 :P Dec 29 06:06:10 lemme check if i can install crap now Dec 29 06:06:16 rwhitby, I think touch appinfo.json in all /var/usr/palm/applications/* should work Dec 29 06:06:22 egaudet: empty file? Dec 29 06:06:29 rwhitby, ys Dec 29 06:06:33 egaudet: still restarting luna Dec 29 06:06:34 en0x, do you have mvapp installed? Dec 29 06:06:39 egaudet, no Dec 29 06:07:07 has it been determined if it's safe to install patches on 1.3.5 yet or do we need to wait? Dec 29 06:07:29 ok, what's a good find command to get all the dirs one level under /var/usr/palm/applications ? Dec 29 06:07:59 ** (LunaSysMgr:2915): WARNING **: scanOneApplicationFolder: [SIZE-SCAN] [MANIFESTS]: Calculating app size for [com.185vfx.paratrooper] Dec 29 06:08:02 ok Dec 29 06:08:05 ls Dec 29 06:08:13 its installing crap from app catalog now Dec 29 06:08:17 ls -1 Dec 29 06:08:24 (that's "one" not "el") Dec 29 06:08:44 lemketron_: but what if it's empty Dec 29 06:09:02 depends on what you want to do with the results Dec 29 06:09:06 howdy Dec 29 06:09:38 find /var/usr/palm/applications -type d Dec 29 06:10:02 what is this migration utility i keep seeing talk of? Dec 29 06:10:37 egaudet: that doesn't stop at one level Dec 29 06:10:43 lemketron_: ls -1 will work Dec 29 06:10:53 actually, find is probably better Dec 29 06:11:02 I've heard reports that Wifi stays on while in sleep mode. Is that true? Dec 29 06:11:09 (with 1.3.5.) Dec 29 06:11:22 Abyssul: That's what I've found. Hopefully it doesn't rape battery life. Dec 29 06:11:23 egaudet: double confirmation on the appinfo.json Dec 29 06:11:33 Wifi uses less battery Dec 29 06:11:34 so what Dec 29 06:11:38 appinfo.json holds? Dec 29 06:11:42 Abyssul: just let your pre go to sleep then check your router to see whats connected to it Dec 29 06:11:48 for i in `ls /var/usr/palm/applications`; if [ -d ... Dec 29 06:11:57 find /var/usr/palm/applications -type d -depth 1 Dec 29 06:12:06 Well you can just turn on your screen and check if the wifi icon is "connected" Dec 29 06:12:09 but that works as well Dec 29 06:12:12 egaudet: that will spew an error if the dir is empty Dec 29 06:12:38 (though so will find, it seems) Dec 29 06:13:05 lemketron_: wasn't sure if busybox find had -depth Dec 29 06:13:15 find -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d Dec 29 06:13:18 sanity check please : http://webos.pastebin.com/d659b794a Dec 29 06:13:36 hmmm. sorry, I was testing theories on os x, not device. ;-) Dec 29 06:13:37 has anyone tried to install the add date patch? Dec 29 06:13:40 egaudet: patches safe on 1.3.5 or should we hold off? Dec 29 06:13:49 i am wondering if i am the only one who is getting an error Dec 29 06:14:02 so my 1.3.5 booted, but it seems (watching syslog) that sysmgr crashed once during the process with a segfault. :-( Dec 29 06:14:33 egaudet: no mindepth in busybox find Dec 29 06:14:35 WillJitsu, it should always be fine to install right away. Patches should fail to install if any issues Dec 29 06:14:47 egaudet: gotcha. thanks! Dec 29 06:14:56 Wow that new clock font is subtle Dec 29 06:15:04 WillJitsu, but if you want to be safe with regards to functionality you could wait for others. I can't guarantee any of the ported patches actually do what they are supposed to do Dec 29 06:15:11 reinstalled ipkgservice patches are now installing. Dec 29 06:15:23 apparently there was a hickup i didn't notice on first install Dec 29 06:15:25 but the technology should prevent anything really bad from happening, and uninstalling a non-working patch should be fine Dec 29 06:16:06 now what is this about a migration utilitiy i can't find that Dec 29 06:16:16 it's part of sysmgr: app migration Dec 29 06:16:43 libglslcompiler.so heh heh Dec 29 06:16:59 man i kinda wish i had of not seen this update until tomorrow morning. Dec 29 06:17:17 hah, I guess I need to uninstall preware manually huh? Dec 29 06:17:49 so what's this about touching appinfo.json ? Dec 29 06:17:57 in the apps that didn't migrate perhaps? Dec 29 06:18:32 lemketron_: where is that??? Dec 29 06:18:33 rwhitby-away, touch /var/usr/palm/applications/$f/appinfo.json and may want to make sure $f is a dir Dec 29 06:18:40 Hmmm seems like Preware bonked lol Dec 29 06:19:21 wait, might want to see if the dirs are empty too... Dec 29 06:19:25 Damn, Palm implemented WakeOnWLAN for the Wifi. I'm checking the logs; when not on external power it sleeps, then wakes when I type into the SSH session. Sweet stuff. Dec 29 06:19:33 hahaha Dec 29 06:19:34 was all the /usr/lib/libSDL* stuff there before? Dec 29 06:19:37 I have a few empty dirs hanging around in /var/usr/palm/applications Dec 29 06:19:38 on this note, i am going to go to bed ... Dec 29 06:19:40 but this is hilarious! Dec 29 06:19:51 in /etc/palm/downloadManager.conf: BeAggressive__Bee_Eee_AGGRESSIVE=true Dec 29 06:19:56 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/d194c61d8 ? Dec 29 06:20:13 hilarious Dec 29 06:20:29 lemketron_: so far it seems that the gstservice was missing appinfo.json Dec 29 06:20:32 rwhitby: what if it's just an empty dir ? Dec 29 06:20:48 lemketron_, the moving process will fail Dec 29 06:20:50 looks good to me, now just need to make sure luna restart after that at some point Dec 29 06:21:04 I mean don't put a appinfo.json in there then. Dec 29 06:21:11 good point lemketron_ Dec 29 06:21:14 has anyone figured out if it is possible to enable OGG in the media player? (the ogg libraries are in there...) Dec 29 06:21:37 egaudet, why so? I just had *precorder directory with nothing in there and the moving process was failing Dec 29 06:21:47 and after u add appinfo.json it worked Dec 29 06:22:16 it was failing on your stdout or was it preventing you from app installing from cat still? Dec 29 06:22:41 wow, my Pre just rebooted when trying to DL an app from the catalog... Dec 29 06:22:43 egaudet, lemketron_: how about http://webos.pastebin.com/d405fb75d Dec 29 06:22:49 it was preventing from moving apps to cryptofs and installing apps from catalog egaudet Dec 29 06:22:51 so if there are still things left in /var/usr/palm/applications, does that break catalog and/or fail migration? Dec 29 06:22:58 there are frequently old and empty directories in /var/usr/palm/applications/ that aren't installed and don't get seen by app migration that I don't know if having an appinfo.json inside will effect Dec 29 06:23:17 let's try that again... Dec 29 06:23:28 Acap: When you update to 1.3.5, it moves the apps to the media parition. So the next chance it gets, it trys to restart the system Dec 29 06:23:31 rwhitby: I'll give it a shot. Dec 29 06:23:55 well en0x just said an empty dir needed the appinfo.json Dec 29 06:24:21 so I'm thinking appinfo.json in empty dirs is OK as long as the empty dirs that aren't in ipkg's status won't get picked up in app migration Dec 29 06:24:31 so we need another with the app catalog issue to test for us Dec 29 06:25:04 Abyssul: yes, and I had checked that it had at least partially completed that before installing. Dec 29 06:25:06 Anyone update to 1.3.5 and can't see anything installed in preware and can't install app from catalog (getting need to restart message) ?? Dec 29 06:25:19 I wonder if you should also delete any app dir that's empty? Dec 29 06:25:21 the retry of the same app from the catalog worked Dec 29 06:25:34 will http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap fix my preware? I upgraded before the new preware was available, and I dont have webos quick install. Dec 29 06:25:35 en0x, are you sure re: *precorder with nothing in it? Dec 29 06:25:59 i cant install anything from app catalog...let me check preware Dec 29 06:26:12 I think any app that was removed with "ipkg remove -o /var" probably has a tree of directories left behind Dec 29 06:26:15 I have pdf-viewer-extract-app/ with nothing in it and app migration went through Dec 29 06:26:24 yeah...installed packages is greyed out Dec 29 06:26:37 egaudet, lemketron_: how about http://webos.pastebin.com/d6671f480 Dec 29 06:26:49 egaudet, hmmm Dec 29 06:26:50 warren: yes Dec 29 06:26:54 egaudet, lemme recall Dec 29 06:27:30 rwhitby... I did an "ipkg -o /var remove some.app.dir" and so that dir no longer has an app, but still has subdirs in it. Dec 29 06:27:32 egaudet, oh it wasnt empty it had bin folder but nothing was in the bin folder though Dec 29 06:27:35 so not "empty" but not a real app either Dec 29 06:27:58 so how to tell that a dir only has dirs in it... Dec 29 06:28:24 lemketron_: find $f -type f Dec 29 06:28:36 right Dec 29 06:28:44 then a rm -rf Dec 29 06:29:00 so do that instead of ls -1 and checking for -n :-) Dec 29 06:29:19 What is the "partial app limit fix" in Preware options for? Is that outdated now? Dec 29 06:29:26 Abyssul: yes Dec 29 06:29:39 Abyssul: it should be automatically turned off Dec 29 06:29:53 Thoughts so, I just noticed it lol Dec 29 06:30:26 ugh... now to install all these patches Dec 29 06:31:12 not all dirs-only are removed ipkgs Dec 29 06:31:25 for instance the pdf-viwer-extract-app has an empty dir in /var/usr/palm/applications/ when it is installed I think Dec 29 06:31:47 egaudet, lemketron_: http://webos.pastebin.com/d1227e360 Dec 29 06:32:37 that looks like what I tried Dec 29 06:32:53 I can run it, but I haven't actually confirmed that anything is "wrong" with my device... what's the problem exactly? Dec 29 06:33:08 broken app catalog ? Dec 29 06:34:23 Hmm the Web Browser is indeed faster :) Dec 29 06:35:00 Abyssul: Like a bat out of hell Dec 29 06:35:28 Actually wondering what they did. Dec 29 06:35:30 acid3 test got a 73 rating Dec 29 06:35:37 :-) Dec 29 06:35:55 what was the 1.3.1 rating? Dec 29 06:36:01 ok, need a guinea pig for ipkgservice 0.9.24.2 who has a broken app catalog Dec 29 06:36:07 funny, if people don't see cool new stuff, they wonder what we were doing; if they see way cool new stuff, they wonder what we did. :-) Dec 29 06:36:25 i do Dec 29 06:36:33 rwhitby: my catalog seems to be working, but I like the var apps dir cleanup stuff in any case. Dec 29 06:36:48 and I suppose adding the appinfo might help those apps migrate? Dec 29 06:36:52 lemketron_, ppl like to wonder Dec 29 06:36:53 It is officially impossible to get on the original facebook site... Dec 29 06:37:16 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.24.2_all.ipk Dec 29 06:37:56 Abyssul: ? I don't see any difference Dec 29 06:38:23 oil: will Preware handle an empty appinfo.json file? Dec 29 06:38:34 egaudet: want to try that one out? Dec 29 06:38:54 my app cat isn't broken anymore Dec 29 06:39:04 well break it! ;-) Dec 29 06:39:14 * warren wonders if any app catalog apps are worthwhile. Dec 29 06:39:35 warren: I still haven't been able to spend my full $25 on app catalog apps yet ... Dec 29 06:40:02 rwhitby-away, partial app limit fix was now on by default in my preware Dec 29 06:41:01 @webosinternals just hit the 1000 followers mark Dec 29 06:41:07 I'm now seeing package manager service 0.9.24.1 available as an update Dec 29 06:41:22 doh, I liked the tagline about Cowbell Dec 29 06:42:07 ooh I think I break it again Dec 29 06:42:35 Sorry to ask a dumb question, but is there already a preware fix for 1.3.5? Dec 29 06:43:45 how well tested are the patches? Dec 29 06:43:51 should I hold off... Dec 29 06:44:20 rbredow: http://twitter.com/webosinternals Dec 29 06:44:36 warren: they should be fine Dec 29 06:44:40 rwhitby-away, is it in the feed? Dec 29 06:44:45 warren: and are always safe if installed via Preware Dec 29 06:44:48 rwhitby-away, does this new ipkgservice fixes the appinfo.json issue? Dec 29 06:44:50 I have to remember which of the patches I had installed before. Dec 29 06:44:50 egaudet: testing feed Dec 29 06:44:56 en0x: yes Dec 29 06:44:56 warren: thanks! Dec 29 06:44:58 not showing up as update Dec 29 06:45:10 can someone add the twitter URL to /topic? Dec 29 06:45:12 egaudet: testing feed? Dec 29 06:45:54 after 135 i cant install ipkg. "system adjustments" must be made it says before installation can continue? Dec 29 06:46:08 What was the acid rating of 1.3.1? Dec 29 06:46:14 oh I have .26 installed Dec 29 06:46:20 got to downgrade Dec 29 06:46:28 bah, had to turn off my ps3 so i'd stop being tempted to play games Dec 29 06:47:11 Abyssul: I believe it was 73 Dec 29 06:47:12 Bmyers, the fix is being worked on Dec 29 06:47:32 en0x: can you test the fix in 0.9.24.2 Dec 29 06:47:34 bitshifter1001: your right Dec 29 06:47:49 So the browser hasn't gained any ground in that field, but 73 is still pretty high Dec 29 06:47:51 rwhitby, i was about to go to sleep :P its almost 2am :P Dec 29 06:48:13 come on man.. the updates been out for HOURS now.. :p Dec 29 06:48:14 yea, not too shabby Dec 29 06:48:37 Bmyers, u can fix it urself :p Dec 29 06:48:44 Interesting. Wifi interface in sleep mode doesn't respond to ARP packets but will respond to packets directly addressed to it. Clever way to power save. 8) Dec 29 06:49:05 Zorin, very sweet Dec 29 06:49:13 that is nice Dec 29 06:49:32 rwhitby, should "partial app limit fix" be on or off or doesn't matter? Dec 29 06:49:37 off Dec 29 06:49:52 OK, it was on by default and I installed one app that way :-\ Dec 29 06:50:26 * warren installs random patches... Dec 29 06:50:28 Hide Useless App Dec 29 06:50:30 Zorin - how did you happen to discover that? Dec 29 06:51:06 lemketron_: Just experimentation. I noticed that I could ping the sleeping Pre, unless I waited long enough for its arp entry to expire. Then I could no longer ping it unless I woke it up. Dec 29 06:51:21 interesting. Dec 29 06:51:29 rwhitby, do you have to use x.y.z-n Dec 29 06:52:25 hmmm, I'm trying to install a patch and it's taking forever on the spinning circle Dec 29 06:52:39 rwhitby, preware does not see that i need to update from 0.9.24.1 to 0.9.24.2 Dec 29 06:52:52 here is a quick question... if I have a .patch file saved on my phone (it is in the USB partition) is there a way that I can install it from there? without using WOSQI? Dec 29 06:52:56 fun, had to remove the previous ipkgservice via terminal Dec 29 06:53:05 egaudet: that's probably the testing feed bug Dec 29 06:53:18 sweet, whoever wrote the "Slider Blocks Orientation Change". That's one of my biggest annoyances on Pre. Dec 29 06:53:19 should I kill it ? Dec 29 06:53:21 it is not in the patch feed for preware so that is not an option, and I am not allowed to connect my phone to the computers here... Dec 29 06:53:29 Note: No improvements in the boot-up time Dec 29 06:53:36 cryptk, you can using the old quilt method Dec 29 06:53:56 but you'll need ssh or terminal access to the phone Dec 29 06:54:06 I have the terminal app on the phone Dec 29 06:54:17 lemme search the wiki for a howto on the quilt method... Dec 29 06:54:37 NOTE that any patch installed manually will have unknown effects with other patches and outside of patch technology may cause unforeseen issues Dec 29 06:54:49 it's still spinning... Dec 29 06:54:49 6that disclaimer Dec 29 06:55:21 anything I can look at to debug what's going on? Dec 29 06:55:37 ahh... would it be possible to add functionality into preware to allow someone to 'safely' install .patch files located on the device? Dec 29 06:56:01 Why waste the time implementing that? Just install it with WebOS quick install or Preware Dec 29 06:56:08 cryptk, not really "safely" as it would be hard to verify if the patch is safe Dec 29 06:56:11 Has anyone else found that in 1.3.5 URLs in texts are no longer links? Dec 29 06:56:39 Nrbelex, it was that way in 1.3.1, since they implemented the text forwarding feature Dec 29 06:56:43 ahh, the only reason I asked for it is because sometimes I am away from my home computer for days on end and cannot connect my phone to any of the computers here Dec 29 06:57:10 acydlord, didn't realize that, thanks Dec 29 06:57:50 Nrbelex, i'm probably gonna look into disabling text forwarding on my phone cause i'd rather have urls than forwarding Dec 29 06:58:06 Man that new clock font is going to get some getting used to Dec 29 06:58:17 acydlord, ideally the two could coexist... Dec 29 06:58:34 I hope things makes things more stable. Things were rock solid with 1.2.1, not quite stable with 1.3.1 Dec 29 06:58:38 cryptk, like i said above, you can use the quilt method from the device using terminal, it just wouldnt be as clean/sane as using preware/webosqi Dec 29 06:58:56 rwhitby: so how do we get preware to see -2 from testing? remove -1 ? Dec 29 06:59:13 Nrbelex, Abyssul, URL's seem to work for me in texts Dec 29 06:59:13 Nrbelex, in a perfect world the features could coexsist, palm has some goofy functions in the messenger app Dec 29 06:59:18 rwhitby, 0.9.24.2 has .1 I think in appinfo.json, restarting luna to test if it fixes app cat Dec 29 06:59:37 ooh egaudet++ Dec 29 06:59:39 bitshifter1001: why did you throw my name in there? lol Dec 29 07:00:11 Abyssul: opps! Dec 29 07:00:27 bitshifter1001,acydlord, hmmmm - I have a timestamp patch installed. You? Dec 29 07:00:35 its getting late :) Dec 29 07:00:41 egaudet: it definitely has 0.9.24.2 in it Dec 29 07:00:47 Nrbelex, I had my timestamp patch and another installed Dec 29 07:00:50 Nrbelex: I don't have any patches installed yet Dec 29 07:01:07 bitshifter1001, acydlord - could that be it? Dec 29 07:01:35 Nrbelex, that is a possibility Dec 29 07:01:42 Nrbelex: possibly Dec 29 07:01:45 rwhitby, touching appinfo.json didn't fix app cat Dec 29 07:02:12 acydlord: is a patch installed via the quilt method able to be removed via preware or WOSQI? I trust the patch since it is one of jasons... Dec 29 07:02:37 egaudet: I thought someone confirmed that for us? Dec 29 07:02:46 cryptk: no it cannot Dec 29 07:02:58 darn... Dec 29 07:03:00 cryptk, quilt patches have to be removed via quilt Dec 29 07:03:31 so if it later is added to preware, or you want to add it via webosqi you can just quilt pop it Dec 29 07:04:14 en0x, said it worked for him but it didn't work for me (at least not the 0.9.24.2 i just installed) Dec 29 07:04:21 16:41 bitshifter1001: egaudet: double confirmation on the appinfo.json Dec 29 07:04:28 i'm on .1 Dec 29 07:04:30 of preware Dec 29 07:04:36 egaudet: did you really get .2 ? Dec 29 07:04:54 egaudet: check /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice for the code Dec 29 07:05:05 dBsooner: the SMS tone per contact patch has a single hunk failure which is keeping it from installing for everyone. (I dont know who else to contact about that) Dec 29 07:05:07 i saw appinfo.json in the gstservice app i installed in var Dec 29 07:05:15 and I didn't touch it so I assume i had .2 Dec 29 07:06:01 bitshifter1001,What URL is working as a link for you? I removed acydlord 's patch but still have no links in messages. Dec 29 07:06:14 I installed a patch and it spun for a long time and then seemed to give up, but then showed the patch installed but after luna restart the patch is not working, now I am trying to remove the patch and it's spinning forever again Dec 29 07:06:32 are patches working for anybody ? Dec 29 07:06:52 Nrbelex: all links are working for me Dec 29 07:07:11 bitshifter1001, starting with http:// or just www, or what? Dec 29 07:07:50 Nrbelex: I think they all have http:// Dec 29 07:07:59 hmmmmm Dec 29 07:08:27 Abyssul: the patch should have a maintainer listed in Preware Dec 29 07:08:43 dbSooner is a maintainer :) Dec 29 07:08:53 ah, cool. Dec 29 07:09:12 Remember in that NFS video how the game didnt have rounded edges in landscape? Dec 29 07:09:19 how can I debug my patch issue? Dec 29 07:09:33 re Dec 29 07:09:43 Well, look at this update and how the edges arn't rounded anymore in landscape. Pretty funky :p Dec 29 07:09:49 Nrbelex: I just tested with both http:// and www. Dec 29 07:09:56 both worked for me Dec 29 07:10:15 anybody noticing 1.3.5 is nice and fast? Dec 29 07:10:19 no Dec 29 07:10:22 o Dec 29 07:10:22 bitshifter10001, argh - neither work for me Dec 29 07:10:25 have not updated yet Dec 29 07:10:46 yokken: Same speed to me except that the browser renders pages faster Dec 29 07:10:47 Abyssul: just noticed that.... Dec 29 07:10:58 that should be nice Dec 29 07:11:05 Im pretty sure that Palm is going to have flash/gpu access at CES Dec 29 07:11:05 do i have to reload preware via WOSQI? Dec 29 07:11:12 All the hints point towards that Dec 29 07:11:21 yap the browser is the king of speed now Dec 29 07:11:37 Not king of speed, it just doesn't checkerboard as much. Dec 29 07:11:53 Abyssul: yeah but even that is a good improvement Dec 29 07:12:07 Abyssul, its much faster than 1.3.1 Dec 29 07:12:16 that "hoax" was "Need For Speed", right Dec 29 07:12:17 ? Dec 29 07:12:28 yap Dec 29 07:12:43 we now have OpenGL ES drivers .... Dec 29 07:12:55 yea! Dec 29 07:12:56 GPU soon please? :) Dec 29 07:13:09 rwhitby, can you point me in the right direction to debug a non-functional, non-removable patch? Dec 29 07:13:11 is there a way to force the photos app to reparse pictures? Dec 29 07:13:28 i.e. I removed some pix and now they are showing up on the app as missing. Dec 29 07:13:35 en0x, bitshifter1001, how did you get touch appinfo.json to work? Dec 29 07:13:38 reparse? Do you mean recollect what pictures it has stored? Dec 29 07:13:48 linuxjacques: try quilt ? Dec 29 07:13:53 I have gstservice installed as the only thing in /var and every luna restart I fail the app migration Dec 29 07:13:57 even with touch appinfo.json Dec 29 07:14:06 but if I make a legit appinfo.json it worked Dec 29 07:14:13 egaudet, touch path didnt work for me so I had to: cd path; touch appinfo.json Dec 29 07:14:17 and t worked Dec 29 07:14:19 :P Dec 29 07:14:24 egaudet: novaterm ... cd to dir ... touch appinfo.json Dec 29 07:14:34 Abyssul: the pre scans what pictures are available in /media/internal/ Dec 29 07:14:46 linuxjacques: they should always be removable Dec 29 07:14:52 i've done that Dec 29 07:14:55 linuxjacques: just run the prerm by hand Dec 29 07:14:56 I have the appinfo.json, weird Dec 29 07:14:58 jauderho_: yea Dec 29 07:15:29 rwhitby, where can I find the prerm ? Dec 29 07:15:43 I moved things to a different dir so I want the photos app to remove references to it Dec 29 07:15:44 jacques: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/.... Dec 29 07:15:55 thanks Dec 29 07:16:30 jauderho_: Do you have internalz installed? If you do a command (like copy, paste, etc) in the app, it forces a recollection of the database. Dec 29 07:16:50 rwhitby, ERROR: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT must be supplied to the prerm Dec 29 07:16:50 ? Dec 29 07:16:58 Would people with timestamp patches mind checking to see if they have working links in texts? Dec 29 07:16:58 I do not have internalz installed. Dec 29 07:17:06 I moved the pix via command line Dec 29 07:17:09 jacques: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps .... Dec 29 07:18:35 Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n] Dec 29 07:19:17 jacques: that means it's gone already Dec 29 07:19:34 (I think - egaudet is the expert) Dec 29 07:19:46 and it I ignore it, that "patch" will be "uninstalled" ? Dec 29 07:20:40 jacques: if the files are back to pristine, then it's just a matter of ipkg -o /media/..... remove Dec 29 07:21:01 I just got a couple of screenfulls of errors Dec 29 07:21:31 damn a shell with no history is almost useless Dec 29 07:21:57 I wanted to thank everybody for their hard work with webOS-internals and making my phone even better Dec 29 07:22:04 rwhitby, do: echo "{\"main\":\"\"} > appinfo.json rather than touch Dec 29 07:22:29 the app migration needs main from appinfo.json otherwise fails with "can't find starting point of app" or something Dec 29 07:22:44 jacques, what patch Dec 29 07:22:58 what file is the -R message on? Dec 29 07:23:42 egaudet, org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-advanced-phone-menu Dec 29 07:23:56 jauderho_: You would have to force a rescan of the "/var/luna/data/mediadb.db3" file Dec 29 07:23:58 egaudet: that's confirmed? Dec 29 07:24:03 I'm having a problem with Preware, ever since the 1.3.5 update it lost its feeds and now has no feeds. What are the feed urls? Dec 29 07:24:10 is there any way to tell why a patch is failing to install? it is the hide quick launch patch... Dec 29 07:24:22 EdLin: reinstall package manager service Dec 29 07:24:34 Abyssul: any other way other than installing internalz? reboot maybe? Dec 29 07:24:39 jauderho_: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/212921-wifi-usb-pix-your-pre.html#post2029888 Dec 29 07:24:46 egaudet, /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Dec 29 07:25:06 rwhitby: how should I do that? Do I need to reinstall preware? Dec 29 07:25:27 EdLin: http://install.preware.org Dec 29 07:25:52 rwhitby, also I think it's safe to put appinfo.json into even empty dirs in /var/usr/palm/applications/ Dec 29 07:26:03 rwhitby, confirmed by me regarding the appinfo needing main yes Dec 29 07:26:43 Abyssul: thx. will try deleting that file Dec 29 07:26:49 EdLin: you can also install preware and it's service using the bootstrap if you are not at your computer (that is what I had to do) but is is much much easier to do it with WOSQI Dec 29 07:26:59 jauderho_: No problem Dec 29 07:27:06 jacques, so it's already unapplied then. I believe that is the only file the patch touched Dec 29 07:27:29 so if the ipkg is still there you can simply do an ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-advanced-phone-menu Dec 29 07:27:48 egaudet: won't appinfo in empty dirs cause migration to keep trying to copy it? Dec 29 07:27:55 help Dec 29 07:28:00 egaudet, yep, I did that and the associated files seem to havebeen removed Dec 29 07:28:04 elwood: whatcha need? Dec 29 07:28:26 egaudet, but I believe the patch was never actually applied in the first place Dec 29 07:28:48 guys having trouble with preware Dec 29 07:29:00 it keeps saying my package manager is not installed Dec 29 07:29:10 but I have the latest ver Dec 29 07:29:18 any ideas Dec 29 07:29:34 trim-pre: did you install the update to the service before installing 1.3.5 and have you tried reinstalling preware and the service after the upgrade? Dec 29 07:30:11 rwhitby, i don't think it tries to copy everything in /var/usr/palm/applications/ Dec 29 07:30:22 only things that ipkg data says is there Dec 29 07:30:34 i had a bunch of leftover patches empty dirs there and none of them were attempted to being migrated Dec 29 07:30:46 did not install PMS prior to update Dec 29 07:31:03 jacques, that's possible Dec 29 07:31:04 but after update, ran quickinstall and reloaded then it worked fine Dec 29 07:31:09 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e540432 Dec 29 07:31:23 how do I fix preware if I installed update while still having patches Dec 29 07:31:24 the postinst could have failed, got hung up, something wrong in remounting etc... Dec 29 07:31:24 then Rod posted a PMS update so I updated via preware and now it won't load Dec 29 07:31:57 it says cannot find PMS..but I deleted and reinstalled in quickinstall 5 times now Dec 29 07:32:01 and same error Dec 29 07:32:10 trim-pre: quick install 2.96 ? Dec 29 07:32:16 yes rod Dec 29 07:32:27 trim-pre: reboot? Dec 29 07:32:36 I have a STRONG feeling PMS latest is funky and not working Dec 29 07:32:37 trim-pre: you removed it, then reinstalled it? Dec 29 07:32:43 yes full rebboooted 5-10 times Dec 29 07:32:59 yes, but the one prior to this latest PMS worked well Dec 29 07:33:00 trim-pre: can you get a command line? Dec 29 07:33:04 yes Dec 29 07:33:15 I just thougt I updated bc you posted an update Dec 29 07:33:17 trim-pre: please use version numbers Dec 29 07:33:23 and now it jacked up Dec 29 07:33:26 don't say "latest" Dec 29 07:33:38 sorry it's too many charracters to remberr Dec 29 07:33:41 let me get it Dec 29 07:34:04 it's the one you posted 2 hrs ago Dec 29 07:34:55 how do I fix preware? Dec 29 07:35:00 trim-pre: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep ipkgservice Dec 29 07:35:23 Guest77874: install package manager service 0.9.24.1 Dec 29 07:35:34 0.9.24.1 Rod Dec 29 07:35:53 that's what I installed via quickinstall Dec 29 07:35:56 trim-pre: what's the output of that command I just gave you? Dec 29 07:36:07 rwhitby, what about homebrew that has NO /var/usr/palm/applications/ directory Dec 29 07:36:13 1 sec, I am mobile Dec 29 07:36:33 they will be ignored by the migration, and remain installed in /var Dec 29 07:36:47 egaudet: is there such? Dec 29 07:36:58 Abyssul, I just noticed URLs in outgoing texts properly link. Is that true for you? Dec 29 07:36:59 patch, diffstat, some services like filemgr service Dec 29 07:37:17 and the next thing is say a service or patch is installed with no appinfo.json file Dec 29 07:37:19 egaudet: we'll have to push updates Dec 29 07:37:23 then we add one, and it gets migrated Dec 29 07:37:37 Ros - org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.24.1 -Package Manager Service Dec 29 07:37:39 egaudet: did you check http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e540432 ? Dec 29 07:37:41 Rod I mean Dec 29 07:37:45 bitshifter1001, were the links which worked for you incoming or outgoing? Dec 29 07:37:52 nothing outside of IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/usr/palm/applications gets migrated Dec 29 07:37:54 so we could have odd issues Dec 29 07:37:59 Nrbelex: both Dec 29 07:38:25 bitshifter10001, hmmm, my outgoing ones appear to work, but not incoming... Dec 29 07:38:27 rwhitby, yea I think you can remove the -n line, I'm verifying now Dec 29 07:39:04 yea, i created a dir with appinfo.json and it's not touched by migration, never cared about, only things with ipkg data are looked for Dec 29 07:39:24 Rod- any ideas for me??? Dec 29 07:39:30 so the -n check can be removed and just add appinfo.json to all dirs that don't have it. Dec 29 07:39:43 Nrbelex: did you try testing a new incoming text since you removed the patches? Dec 29 07:39:46 how do I fix preware if I installed update with the patches still installed Dec 29 07:40:02 egaudet: why clutter when we can just remove? Dec 29 07:40:51 Guest86032: install package manager service 0.9.24.1 Dec 29 07:40:55 bitshifter1001, no, I'll try that now. But I did try looking at old incoming texts with URLs with the patch removed. Dec 29 07:40:58 hmm, now I'm trying to install the package manager service "update" and it's spinning endlessly again Dec 29 07:41:08 well that pdf-viewer-extract-app has an empty dir there Dec 29 07:41:12 where do I get that? Dec 29 07:41:16 but it's installed Dec 29 07:41:28 but it can't really be migrated Dec 29 07:41:35 actually yes it can Dec 29 07:42:08 egaudet: so shall I create a new .2 to test? Dec 29 07:42:17 Rod- any help for me with PMS?? Dec 29 07:42:18 I'm just worried about postinst/prerm scripts relying on IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT to be /var and then when migrated things get thrown off and prerm's act funky Dec 29 07:42:25 tried uninstalling and reinstalling Dec 29 07:42:40 egaudet: I've updated all the webos-internals ones, and jason has fixed filemgr Dec 29 07:42:46 egaudet: I don't think there are others Dec 29 07:42:58 bitshifter1001, no dice Dec 29 07:43:19 so prerm's that use IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT only use it for stuff in usr/palm/applications/ Dec 29 07:43:19 trim-pre: nope, sorry, no help. it seems to be working for others, and I can only concentrate on widespread problems now, not isolated issues. Dec 29 07:43:46 Nrbelex: do you have any other SMS patches installed? Dec 29 07:43:48 egaudet: don't get what you mean? Dec 29 07:44:37 bitshifter1001, nope Dec 29 07:45:08 egaudet: we've got a broken app catalog which we need to push a fix for - I can't worry about possibilities for funky stuff in the future unless we know this fix will make it worse Dec 29 07:45:11 bitshifter1001, were the URLs the only thing in the texts, or was there a message around them? Dec 29 07:45:38 just saying that IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT variable should only be used to reference IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/usr/palm/applications/ stuff in postinst/prerm scripts Dec 29 07:46:03 add the appinfo.json to all dirs, and I'll test Dec 29 07:46:05 Nrbelex: only URL's Dec 29 07:46:14 trim-pre: jps | grep ipkgservice Dec 29 07:46:32 egaudet: all dirs means we can't identify empty dirs later Dec 29 07:46:39 rwhitby, the last question before though is for things like patch and diffstat do we want them migrated Dec 29 07:46:40 bitshifter1001, would you mind checking to see if URLs link when they are in the middle of a sentence? Dec 29 07:46:41 egaudet: why not just dirs that have files? Dec 29 07:46:42 and filemgr service Dec 29 07:46:57 Nrbelex: yep Dec 29 07:47:25 rwhitby, only because I found one package (pdf-viewer-extract-app) that has an empty dir but needs to be migrated. It doesn't break the app catalog but it doesn't get migrated Dec 29 07:47:32 egaudet: if there's something in /var that is not automatically migrated, then we just push an update to it and have the postinst clean up /var Dec 29 07:47:38 but if that's the only one, it's not a big deal I dont think anyone uses it anyway Dec 29 07:47:55 Is Enable Landscape Email working in 1.3.5 for anyone? Dec 29 07:47:57 egaudet: at the moment, non-migrating apps can wait till later Dec 29 07:48:26 You can do for each package in ipkg -o /var list_installed and make the appinfo.json's for each package that doesn't have one Dec 29 07:48:34 how do I fix preware? Dec 29 07:48:41 is http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/all the correct path to be listed in /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf ? Dec 29 07:48:52 but I'm fine if you just want to get the current one out there now Dec 29 07:48:54 because that gets me a 404 Dec 29 07:49:07 pullingj: you need a version number in there Dec 29 07:49:21 and it needs to not be in /var if you are on 1.3.5 Dec 29 07:49:23 egaudet: I don't want to call ipkg in the upstart script - too much chance for an error status Dec 29 07:49:33 Rod I ran that Dec 29 07:49:39 nothing happens Dec 29 07:49:39 rwhitby: that's what ipkgservice made Dec 29 07:50:05 assistance Dec 29 07:50:15 rwhitby: 0.9.24.2 Dec 29 07:50:30 how do I get it? Dec 29 07:50:40 Nrbelex: it works every which way, beginning middle and end of a sentence Dec 29 07:51:01 bitshifter1001, thanks for that Dec 29 07:51:05 trim-pre: that means ipkgservice is not being started Dec 29 07:51:10 rwhitby, let's get what you have into the test feed and I'll test so it can be pushed Dec 29 07:51:23 egaudet: it's there now .3 Dec 29 07:51:27 how do I get 0.9.24.2? Dec 29 07:51:33 Rod-- how do I start it ? I rebooted many times Dec 29 07:52:36 Nrbelex: not sure what else it could be Dec 29 07:52:58 pullingj: what webos version are you running? Dec 29 07:53:14 bitshifter1001, it's odd... I'll have to test with a totally clean Pre tomorrow... thanks Dec 29 07:53:27 yep Dec 29 07:53:37 rwhitby: 1.3.5 Dec 29 07:54:49 pullingj: if 1.3.5, then look in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg Dec 29 07:55:03 ahhh Dec 29 07:56:21 restarting java brings up palm logo or something? Dec 29 07:56:27 rwhitby: i just reran the preware bootstrap and it updated me to ipkgservice .3 and the feeds moved from /var to cryptofs and -patches has 1.3.5 in it now Dec 29 07:56:56 or does ipkgservice restart luna now? Dec 29 07:58:32 i thought my apps were supposed to move to the new cryptofs from /var/usr/palm/applications Dec 29 07:59:05 pullingj: yes, they should, on each luna restart. Dec 29 07:59:19 oh, luna hasn't restarted yet... Dec 29 07:59:32 just rescanned. i'll give that a shot Dec 29 07:59:54 curious... Dec 29 07:59:56 another thing, preware no longer sees all my installed packages Dec 29 08:00:12 ever since upgrading to 1.3.5, plugged into USB my charge % went from 90% to 84% and now 81% Dec 29 08:00:19 is charging working for anyone? Dec 29 08:00:32 the yellow lightning bolt is over the white battery Dec 29 08:00:33 pullingj: it will once they are auto-migrated by Palm Dec 29 08:00:44 egaudet: any joy on .3 ? Dec 29 08:00:47 rwhitby: got it. that just dawned on me Dec 29 08:01:10 killall LunaSysMgr Dec 29 08:01:16 err, another window Dec 29 08:01:23 rwhitby, yea seems to work Dec 29 08:01:32 oh interesting new fix Dec 29 08:01:54 egaudet: so push that one? Dec 29 08:02:07 yea sure Dec 29 08:02:19 1.3.1: If you accidentally hold down the Power button while the screen is off (like if the phone is in your pocket) it chimes and shows the power menu. Dec 29 08:02:25 1.3.5: If screen is off it wont. Dec 29 08:02:26 I'm going to bed, I think that will be good workaround for the current issues Dec 29 08:02:38 are you guys pushing a new ipkg service? Dec 29 08:03:21 I only see 0.9.24.1 Dec 29 08:03:58 rwhitby: does it happen immediately on luna restart? Dec 29 08:04:02 rwhitby, although now I'm stuck on "downloading feed information" Dec 29 08:04:07 feeds are pretty messed up for me now, nothing at all in webos-internals for example Dec 29 08:04:29 update feeds ok nvm it's fine Dec 29 08:04:42 I just updated abou a minute ago Dec 29 08:05:09 I only see contents for precentral and webos patches, and 1 unknown Dec 29 08:05:15 * egaudet goes back to doctor to try this again tomorrow with new ipkgservice Dec 29 08:05:22 jacques: try turning off themes Dec 29 08:05:23 is there a reason why the various patch directories in /var/usr/palm/applications are left around after running EPR? Dec 29 08:05:29 one day I'll have a phone again Dec 29 08:05:35 rwhitby, they are off Dec 29 08:05:42 jacques: dunno then Dec 29 08:05:43 but I see nothing in optware Dec 29 08:05:49 trim-pre: you still there? Dec 29 08:05:56 nor webos-internals Dec 29 08:06:08 jauderho, only because EPR doesn't remove them Dec 29 08:06:18 jacques: try "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update" on command line and watch Dec 29 08:06:25 egaudet: ah. Dec 29 08:06:30 ipkg -o /var remove doesn't remove them Dec 29 08:06:33 fine. I'll remove by hand then. Dec 29 08:07:10 Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/all/Packages.gz Dec 29 08:07:10 wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Dec 29 08:07:25 ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-5dMZRx http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/all/Packages.gz' Dec 29 08:07:46 i'm guessing everyone is asking how to get their preware to work again? Dec 29 08:07:47 and it stops there Dec 29 08:08:02 jacques: that means the upstart script hasn't fixed the version Dec 29 08:08:07 egaudet: safe to remove org.webosinternals.emergency-patch-recovery/ too? Dec 29 08:08:19 cause i reinstalled preware via webos quick install and it's just downloading feed info continuously Dec 29 08:08:59 jacques: which means my fear of upstart script error has been realised Dec 29 08:09:12 rwhitby, it worked for me once, I installed daliclock, then I started having those problems with patches, then I tried to update package manager service to 0.9.24.1 which didn't complete ... Dec 29 08:09:47 jacques: are you ready to strace upstart to debug this? Dec 29 08:09:50 how do i get a working preware? Dec 29 08:09:57 tho ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep ipkgservice shows 0.9.24.1 Dec 29 08:10:07 rwhitby: well several luna restarts later and my app still haven't migrated to cryptofs. i'll give it a reboot, and see how it's going in the morning Dec 29 08:10:42 rwhitby, where do I start? Dec 29 08:11:04 jauderho, yep Dec 29 08:11:13 anyone wanna let me know how to install a working preware? Dec 29 08:11:22 rerunning the preware bootstrap fixed me up.. Dec 29 08:11:49 yokken: follow @webosinternals on twitter Dec 29 08:11:56 mmkay Dec 29 08:12:01 it's all there Dec 29 08:12:01 where do i find the preware bootstrap Dec 29 08:12:18 it's all there Dec 29 08:12:25 no 1.3.5 webos doctor on the site yet... meh Dec 29 08:12:37 i upgraded the package manager service before i updated Dec 29 08:13:09 if after reading the twitter, you still want it, it is at the bottom of this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Dec 29 08:13:12 nvm i'm working on it Dec 29 08:13:22 egaudet, jacques: ok, so we have app catalog broken without the fix, and ipkgservice not running with the fix Dec 29 08:13:47 not running? Dec 29 08:13:57 yep - jacques and trim-pre have it Dec 29 08:13:58 hmm Dec 29 08:14:02 I suspect error in upstart Dec 29 08:14:09 yo rwhitby Dec 29 08:14:11 I think I will move the fixes to postinst Dec 29 08:14:29 hooray bootstrap Dec 29 08:14:32 i read something about palm developers getting a $100 gift card to amazon on precentral.. did any of you get one? Dec 29 08:14:56 installing terminal on my phone was such a smart idea Dec 29 08:14:58 start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice should tell you if there's an error in upstart Dec 29 08:15:26 should I try stopping it first? Dec 29 08:15:27 yayyyyy it's working Dec 29 08:15:34 thanks #webos-internals Dec 29 08:15:39 thanks rwhitby :) Dec 29 08:15:46 off to bed i go Dec 29 08:15:47 yokken: what version did it install? Dec 29 08:15:50 uhh Dec 29 08:15:56 .13 Dec 29 08:15:59 instead of .12 Dec 29 08:16:01 stop org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 08:16:01 stop: (11553/64248046) Job not changed: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 08:16:11 preware is 0.9.13 Dec 29 08:16:20 my app catalog doesn't work either btw Dec 29 08:16:23 and packman got moved from the weird x.x.x.x to just x.x.3 Dec 29 08:16:28 instead of x.x.x.1 Dec 29 08:16:42 i think Dec 29 08:16:44 i don't even know. Dec 29 08:16:45 lol Dec 29 08:16:56 i'm off Dec 29 08:17:05 yokken: oh, that's going to be a problem for you Dec 29 08:17:13 jacques, so it's not running, what about start Dec 29 08:17:15 whyyy Dec 29 08:17:22 it's running just finr Dec 29 08:17:25 start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice starts it, then stops it .. strange Dec 29 08:17:27 org.webosinternal.ipkgservice v0.9.24.2: Dec 29 08:17:30 yokken: what version of ipkgservice? Dec 29 08:17:37 0.9.24.3 Dec 29 08:17:39 jacques: error in upstart script Dec 29 08:17:54 yokken: 0.9.13 has bugs Dec 29 08:17:59 it doesn't show any of my other packages as installed :( Dec 29 08:18:02 start: (00965/577492665) org.webosinternals.ipkgservice main process terminated with status 1 Dec 29 08:18:06 http://pastebin.ca/1730422 Dec 29 08:18:10 so what do i do rwhitby Dec 29 08:18:20 uninstall via webos quick install Dec 29 08:18:26 and reinstall preware, but not packman? Dec 29 08:18:29 rwhitby, ah OK then the patebin probably isn't very useful Dec 29 08:18:37 jacques: you need to strace pid 1 to debug that Dec 29 08:18:40 strange, what's the error in the upstart script ? Dec 29 08:18:47 yokken: yep Dec 29 08:18:51 okay Dec 29 08:19:31 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# strace -p 1 Dec 29 08:19:31 attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted Dec 29 08:19:36 0.9.13, bugs? Dec 29 08:19:41 blasphemy Dec 29 08:20:00 rwhitby, problem: wosqi doesn't see preware 0.9.13 Dec 29 08:20:15 yokken: wosqi 2.96 ? Dec 29 08:20:27 lol Dec 29 08:20:28 2.53 Dec 29 08:20:30 i'm old Dec 29 08:20:40 i never use it Dec 29 08:20:59 curious, I had to reboot for "Charging" to actually charge Dec 29 08:21:05 hrmm, weird after rebooting, cryptofs isn't mounted in /media Dec 29 08:21:08 rwhitby: so are homebrew apps without appinfo.json the only ones broken right now? I just checked and all of the apps I have installed have appinfo.json Dec 29 08:21:19 jauderho_: dunno Dec 29 08:21:20 but preware still works Dec 29 08:21:28 heh Dec 29 08:22:08 so if I have updated to 0.9.24.3 *before* installing 1.3.5, i could be okay? =) Dec 29 08:22:17 jacques: are you running .1 or .2 ? Dec 29 08:22:42 jauderho_: if ipkgservice starts, yes. if not, no. Dec 29 08:22:52 rwhitby, was running .1 from wosqi and then tried to update to .1 from preware, that might be where my problems started Dec 29 08:23:03 well, that was afte rthe patch problems , but still Dec 29 08:23:03 nope Dec 29 08:23:08 rwhitby: what's the way to check for it running again? Dec 29 08:23:11 umm Dec 29 08:23:19 jps | grep ipkgservice Dec 29 08:23:25 wosqi 2.96 doesn't show terminal or any of the other stuff i have installed Dec 29 08:23:38 rwhitby, what if I try manually ipkg installing the .2 ipk ? Dec 29 08:23:49 yokken: rerun the preware bootstrap and pick n for alpha Dec 29 08:23:54 jacques: .3 and I suspect you'll still have the error Dec 29 08:23:59 and it will ask you if you want to install preware .12 Dec 29 08:24:03 i didn't have any error Dec 29 08:24:20 im just doing it in wosqi Dec 29 08:24:23 so I bit the bullet and just installed that patch using quilt, next time I am at home I will remove it with quilt and reinstall it with WOSQI in order to have it all done proper like... Dec 29 08:24:23 rwhitby: alrighty. I guess I'll try updating to 1.3.5 now... Dec 29 08:24:36 rwhitby, the error persists on .3 Dec 29 08:24:45 rwhitby, is it worth a shot ? or should I try something different? Dec 29 08:25:42 rwhitby: is there something else besides a luna restart that is supposed to trigger app migration? Dec 29 08:25:48 i'm using 0.9.12 now Dec 29 08:26:10 ok, someone needs to spot the error in http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e540432 Dec 29 08:26:17 pullingj: dunno Dec 29 08:26:28 1.3.5 seems really fast Dec 29 08:27:12 rwhitby: immediately after reboot cryptofs was not mounted in /media Dec 29 08:27:16 rwhitby, what if /var/etc/ipkg/ contains a subdir, the mv will skip it but does that count as "error" Dec 29 08:27:23 apps installed in it worked though Dec 29 08:27:25 or wait no it won't Dec 29 08:27:27 nvm Dec 29 08:27:46 pullingj: no idea Dec 29 08:27:50 wow, powerd goes crazy now when the screen shuts off Dec 29 08:28:00 holy shit rwhitby that code owns Dec 29 08:28:06 just saying to becareful testing for the presence of that directory Dec 29 08:28:16 yokken: no it doesn't, cause it has an error somewhere Dec 29 08:28:26 whats the error Dec 29 08:28:28 can jacques copy that pastebin make a .sh file and run it Dec 29 08:28:43 that would help Dec 29 08:28:45 and see the error Dec 29 08:28:45 jacques: please run that script with -x Dec 29 08:28:50 and -e Dec 29 08:29:37 like this: http://webos.pastebin.com/d62c26be1 Dec 29 08:30:02 OK Dec 29 08:30:03 okay seriously my phone seems like 10x faster Dec 29 08:30:27 nice Dec 29 08:30:30 indeed Dec 29 08:30:36 like buttons are immediately responsive Dec 29 08:30:44 this is how fast the pre should've been from day 1 Dec 29 08:30:51 rwhitby: you could do a " ls -d" instead. save from having to do an additional if Dec 29 08:31:26 http://pastebin.com/m3f41f4f3 Dec 29 08:31:46 jauderho_: nope, that would show the top dir, not the children Dec 29 08:32:01 ls -d /* =) Dec 29 08:32:31 jauderho_: too many dirs and that fails Dec 29 08:32:34 jacques: with -e ? Dec 29 08:33:16 true... but I doubt we will run into that here due to the app limit. Dec 29 08:33:16 looks like it worked Dec 29 08:33:46 rwhitby: so are you intending this script to be run before updating Dec 29 08:33:55 to 1.3.5 that is Dec 29 08:34:06 jauderho_: should be able to be run at any time Dec 29 08:34:26 but that's not the upstart script, right? just the postinst ? Dec 29 08:34:29 jacques: what's the output with sh -e -x Dec 29 08:34:34 lemketron_: upstart Dec 29 08:34:35 if the service isn't starting for him, then the problem is in the upstart script Dec 29 08:34:48 hmmm. that's not in my upstart. Dec 29 08:34:55 lemketron_: for .3 ? Dec 29 08:35:16 trim-pre: what version are you running? Dec 29 08:35:19 ah, I think I still have .2 plus some fractional amount Dec 29 08:35:22 :-) Dec 29 08:35:25 rwhitby, http://pastebin.com/m371c89b8 Dec 29 08:35:40 rwhitby: well, afaik /media/cryptofs is a mount point. wouldn't this mean that things get mounted over if run before 1.3.5 is installed? Dec 29 08:36:00 no, because it won't run if that dir doesn't exist Dec 29 08:36:10 doh Dec 29 08:36:17 late night script reading Dec 29 08:36:30 np; I know the feeling. :-) Dec 29 08:36:37 plus i'm sick. that's my excuse and I'm STICKING WITH IT Dec 29 08:36:40 =) Dec 29 08:36:43 jacques: and echo $? after? Dec 29 08:36:59 rwhitby, huh? Dec 29 08:37:11 jacques: echo return status of the scripts Dec 29 08:37:19 root@palm-webos-device:/tmp# echo $? Dec 29 08:37:19 0 Dec 29 08:37:30 that's immediately after Dec 29 08:37:42 so much for trying to update to 1.3.5 Dec 29 08:37:47 jacques: so you only have one dir, and upstart is not starting Dec 29 08:37:51 downloading is stuck Dec 29 08:37:58 at 10% Dec 29 08:38:09 rwhitby, is having one dir good or bad ? Dec 29 08:38:19 jacques: it's a repeatable test case :-) Dec 29 08:38:27 heh Dec 29 08:38:56 jacques: can you comment out that whole stanza from the upstart script, and then start commenting in things until it breaks? Dec 29 08:40:21 rwhitby, would uncommenting #console output help? Dec 29 08:40:23 so is it the case that our status now is that 0.9.24.3 fixes the app catalog but breaks preware? Dec 29 08:41:12 0.9.24.3 shows the app catalog fine, just doesnt show the stuff that was installed to /var Dec 29 08:41:15 good evenin Dec 29 08:41:45 jacques: so does migration complete for you? Dec 29 08:41:52 i should say mornin but i haven't been to bed. . .yet Dec 29 08:42:08 rwhitby, I'm pretty sure migration worked fine for me with .1 Dec 29 08:42:18 that would be a one time thing right? Dec 29 08:42:21 jacques: but not for egaudet Dec 29 08:42:23 hrm i ran the preware bootstrap, and am getting 0.9.12 and not 0.9.13? Dec 29 08:42:30 jacques: .1 didn't do migration Dec 29 08:42:38 someone said 0.9.13 preware was out, is this true? Dec 29 08:42:43 keith: correct. there is no .13 Dec 29 08:42:51 migration is an every-luna-start thing Dec 29 08:42:54 not one-time Dec 29 08:42:55 rwhitby: ok cool, just making sure, thanks Dec 29 08:43:11 was the 500mhz powercycle patch removed from the patch feeds after 1.3.5 was released? Dec 29 08:43:22 so I can repeatably break migration by installing these packages without appinfo.json to /var Dec 29 08:43:26 jacques: so can you get ipkgservice to start by commenting stuff out? Dec 29 08:43:56 awesome, preware works again Dec 29 08:44:17 artitumis: powercycle? Dec 29 08:44:22 rwhitby, I need to figure out what to comment out, can't do whole stanza because then APPS would not be set Dec 29 08:44:33 jacques: everything after APPS Dec 29 08:44:51 egaudet: how can I reproduce migration failure? Dec 29 08:45:07 is preware safe to patch 1.3.5 up? or is it ill advised? Dec 29 08:45:08 the 500mhz patch that would cycle the cpu down to 250mhz when the load was load was low to help with battery power. Dec 29 08:45:35 rwhitby, install gstservice is what I've been doing Dec 29 08:45:46 to /var Dec 29 08:46:02 then restart luna and you get migration failure Dec 29 08:46:07 so gstservice needs an appinfo.json file ? Dec 29 08:46:11 rwhitby, you mean everything in the if block after APPS ? Dec 29 08:46:19 jacques: yep Dec 29 08:46:28 artitumis: it should still be there. unless someone removed it. Dec 29 08:46:43 @jauderho i'm not seeing it. Dec 29 08:47:18 maybe dBsooner has not packaged it up Dec 29 08:47:23 it's in the git repo Dec 29 08:47:28 rwhitby, it still doesn't start Dec 29 08:47:40 jacques: pastebin upstart script please Dec 29 08:47:54 reason i ask is i think it bricked me earlier this evenin. had to run webos doctor after reinstalling it after upgrading pre to 1.3.5. Dec 29 08:48:03 egaudet: where do I see the failure log? Dec 29 08:48:12 lemketron_: it's a service, no has no appinfo.json file Dec 29 08:48:12 rwhitby, http://pastebin.com/m5c3a7267 Dec 29 08:48:29 rwhitby, I just bring LunaSysMgr to the foreground Dec 29 08:48:44 early on you see the migration stuff Dec 29 08:48:48 whoa, all my patches are showing as installed after running webos doctor. Dec 29 08:48:52 strange. Dec 29 08:49:07 um. it shouldn't do that, should it? Dec 29 08:49:20 jacques: what's in webos-patches.conf? Dec 29 08:49:32 my gsservice has an appinfo.json Dec 29 08:50:03 cat /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf Dec 29 08:50:03 src/gz webos-patches http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.3.5 Dec 29 08:50:13 artitumis: no. but there's a reason why it is marked dangerous. my suggestion is that you hold off until 1.3.5 settles down Dec 29 08:50:53 @jauderho_ just realized that all the patches i installed after upgrading to 1.3.5 are still showing as installed even after running webos doctor. Dec 29 08:51:01 cat /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Dec 29 08:51:02 # This feed is not configured - please make sure the postinst script is executed to create this feed. Dec 29 08:51:13 that is why i didn't see it listed in the dangerous category. Dec 29 08:51:42 artitumis: odd. Dec 29 08:51:46 oh rwhitby earlier I saw a sed error when I had webos-patches feed disabled it still tried to sed webos-patches.conf which doesn't exist Dec 29 08:52:06 egaudet: how to bring lunasysmgr to foreground? Dec 29 08:52:16 stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr Dec 29 08:53:01 the failure that causes app cat stuff will be something like (0 installed out of 1 attmpted) Dec 29 08:53:28 whee. blazing download speed of 1.3.5. almost hit 50%! Dec 29 08:55:33 egaudet: ok, can reproduce it now Dec 29 08:55:47 hrm. if a patch is showing as installed in preware but really isn't, how do you get it to reset to show as not installed? Dec 29 08:55:48 forumers have had success with new ipkgservice Dec 29 08:55:50 btw Dec 29 08:56:13 egaudet: the sed is bounded by a -f test Dec 29 08:56:14 which version, egaudet? Dec 29 08:56:16 im starting fresh... 1.3.1 webosdoctor and updating to 1.3.5 before logging into my real profile Dec 29 08:56:43 none of my apps would update, kept telling me i had to reboot my phone each time Dec 29 08:57:13 rwhitby, I just did "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update" again and this time it got Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.3.5/Packages.gz Dec 29 08:57:20 had issues before 1.3.5 anyway, app store wouldn't install anything no matter how many apps i moved or deleted Dec 29 08:57:36 jacques: did you not run the postinst or something? Dec 29 08:57:40 .3 I believe Dec 29 08:58:02 egaudet: oh, so it's not a widespread error with .3 ? Dec 29 08:58:06 rwhitby, like I said, I tried updating to 0.9.24.1 under preware and it spun forever Dec 29 08:58:27 jacques: can you do a real .3 install ? Dec 29 08:58:28 joshua, that is a known issue being worked around in neweset ipkgservice Dec 29 08:58:49 rwhitby, I haven't seen any failures for .3, people have posted that the new service fixes their app cat issue Dec 29 08:58:52 rwhitby, define "real" Dec 29 08:59:12 jacques: one that runs the postinst correctly Dec 29 08:59:27 egaudet: so it's just jacques ? Dec 29 08:59:38 rwhitby, where do I get .3 ? Dec 29 08:59:38 like the preware-bootstrap method worked for me Dec 29 08:59:50 rwhitby, so far Dec 29 08:59:57 jacques: it's in public feed Dec 29 09:00:19 it's 3am here. what does that mean? Dec 29 09:00:30 for someone with a non-working preware Dec 29 09:00:48 you are up late? =) Dec 29 09:00:57 whats sup guys? Dec 29 09:01:03 if a patch is showing as installed in preware but really isn't, how do you get it to reset to show as not installed? Dec 29 09:01:25 hows everyone doing? Dec 29 09:01:53 jacques: use http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap script Dec 29 09:03:15 anyone be kind enough to help me out here? =) Dec 29 09:03:50 ~ask Dec 29 09:03:51 so I just run the script ? Dec 29 09:03:52 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Dec 29 09:04:30 Would you like to include any alpha Preware/IPKGService releases for this install/update? [Y/N] hell if I know Dec 29 09:04:39 N Dec 29 09:05:27 artitumis, you can manually remove the ipkg stuff if you know it wasn't actually applied Dec 29 09:05:27 Setup Complete! now I have to run a postinst script ? Dec 29 09:05:45 I think it ran it all for you Dec 29 09:05:46 jacques: nope, it's done now Dec 29 09:05:52 jacques: jps | grep ipkgservice Dec 29 09:06:13 egaudet: i know it wasn't applied. how do i remove the ipkg stuff? Dec 29 09:06:20 artitumis, 1.3.5? Dec 29 09:06:25 yes Dec 29 09:06:38 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove Dec 29 09:06:52 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed if you want to see the packages installed Dec 29 09:06:56 jacques: preware working now? Dec 29 09:07:03 rwhitby, nothing with ipkgservice in it's name is running Dec 29 09:07:17 not rooted. can i do that from terminal app? Dec 29 09:07:19 shit I'm so tired I'm misusing ' now Dec 29 09:07:20 jacques: has cellular service resumed yet? Dec 29 09:07:32 or from quick install? Dec 29 09:07:37 jacques: cause ipkgservice takes a while to start Dec 29 09:08:30 "ps -efwww|grep -i ipkgservice" returns a long line starting with "/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin/java" Dec 29 09:08:31 artitumis, yes and yes Dec 29 09:08:37 does that mean it's running? Dec 29 09:08:40 jacques: nope Dec 29 09:08:44 awesome. will try now. thank you so much Dec 29 09:08:52 then it's not running Dec 29 09:08:59 initctl list | grep ipkgservice Dec 29 09:09:08 is it possible to bypass activation on brand new Movistar GSM Pre? Dec 29 09:09:47 "start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" still fails Dec 29 09:10:03 define "fails" Dec 29 09:10:29 jacques: ok, at this point I'm going to assume it's your Pre and not a widespread problem, and drive home. I'll be on later to see if that was true or not. Dec 29 09:10:50 jacques: if you've migrated, reinstall 0.9.24 and that should work. Dec 29 09:11:05 maybe we just need a separate app to do the migration Dec 29 09:11:14 rather than put it in preware upstart Dec 29 09:11:31 i don't think that's the issue Dec 29 09:11:35 or do it in the postinst Dec 29 09:11:37 but I'm going to bed now Dec 29 09:11:44 there's no need to do it on every boot, actually Dec 29 09:11:54 (but no urgency in changing that tonight, it seems) Dec 29 09:11:57 lemketron_, http://pastebin.com/m6de2b4a0 Dec 29 09:12:01 should be no reason to do it more than once right Dec 29 09:12:12 even though Palm does the migration every single luna start Dec 29 09:12:42 egaudet: have to assume that people will run an old version of wosqi against 1.3.5 and end up with stuff in /var Dec 29 09:12:42 sysmgr has to be more sure that everything gets migrated Dec 29 09:12:50 ah Dec 29 09:12:58 anyone can tell me what is the kernel version of 1.3.5 rom ? Dec 29 09:13:11 good point rwhitby Dec 29 09:13:42 anyone? Dec 29 09:13:42 alright well off to bed, I'm updating to 1.3.5 with all aupt patches installed using .3 ipkgservice Dec 29 09:13:47 see how that goes tomorrow Dec 29 09:13:50 rwhitby, so 0.9.24 will work with 1.3.5 ? Dec 29 09:14:08 yep Dec 29 09:14:22 'nite Dec 29 09:14:22 ameng, Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (na@na) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 276 Dec 29 09:14:34 meCka: meta-doctor Dec 29 09:15:02 jacques: thanks Dec 29 09:16:17 hi, I have Preware on my GSM 1.3.1 Pre and try to find the Virutal Keyboard. Unfortunately, all I can find is the OBSOLETE vk... Dec 29 09:17:43 rwhitby: last weekend I write the phone info got from China Telecom to my pre , now it is a real phone;-) Dec 29 09:18:05 ameng: nice Dec 29 09:18:36 ameng: although the lack of input method is pretty annoying? Dec 29 09:18:54 damada: it's in the Patches section Dec 29 09:18:59 ameng: I'd love to be able to type Japanese on my Pre, but it seems they didn't even begin to design a framework for input methods. Dec 29 09:20:26 rwhitby: but i can only use CDMA 1x, the evdo is not steady in Beijing which could be used in other city in china Dec 29 09:20:58 rwhitby: thanks, found it, finally :) Dec 29 09:22:34 warren: there is a im patch for mojo.js to use chinese input , but it is not perfect, maybe I'll write one based on virtual keyboard Dec 29 09:23:33 ameng: if a bridge to ibus can be written, then it would be trivial to port any IM to it. Dec 29 09:23:50 ameng: hangul, pinyin, wubi, anthy, etc. Dec 29 09:23:54 rwhitby, I force-downgraded to 0.9.24, now I manually run org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst ? Dec 29 09:24:50 jacques: yep Dec 29 09:25:03 well, it looks like one of the cpu patches bricks the pre Dec 29 09:25:09 second time it bricked me. Dec 29 09:25:14 jesus. Dec 29 09:25:30 artitumis: they're not in the dangerous category for laughs ... Dec 29 09:25:31 rwhitby, do I manually need to make root writable first? Dec 29 09:25:35 jacques: yes Dec 29 09:25:50 Rod is preware corrctly installing GNU patch and DIFF? Dec 29 09:26:02 trim-pre: do you have preware working now? Dec 29 09:26:03 rwhitby: i know. i'm not too angry about it at all. Dec 29 09:26:14 Rod no Dec 29 09:26:21 trim-pre: what version are you running? Dec 29 09:26:26 and how did you install it? Dec 29 09:26:27 .3 Dec 29 09:26:35 webosquick install Dec 29 09:26:37 deleted Dec 29 09:26:40 and reinstalled Dec 29 09:26:43 trim-pre: can you run the preware bootstrap ? Dec 29 09:26:54 can you show me how Dec 29 09:27:05 rwhitby, is this output correct? http://pastebin.com/m66e58c4d Dec 29 09:27:13 I must say: it was working perfectly fineafter 1.3.5 Dec 29 09:27:22 then you mentuoned a .2 release Dec 29 09:27:24 trim-pre: cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap Dec 29 09:27:30 so I opened up quickinstall and updated Dec 29 09:27:41 then quickinstall asked to download and install a GNU Dec 29 09:27:57 jacques: you missed the IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps ... Dec 29 09:28:09 then after that quick install AND Luna Manager says 'Package Manager Not Running' Dec 29 09:28:19 warren: do you think ibus applicable to webos? Dec 29 09:28:21 rwhitby, where did I miss it ? Dec 29 09:28:30 jacques: when running the postinst Dec 29 09:28:45 ameng: ibus is mainly a daemon with language engine plugins. the only part that would need to be written new is ibus client interface Dec 29 09:28:52 ameng: that way you can reuse a large amount of existing code Dec 29 09:28:55 the postinst has to be given the same value as what ipkg got Dec 29 09:29:06 rwhitby, OK that time it just said: No packages removed. Dec 29 09:29:07 Nothing to be done Dec 29 09:29:16 ok, it worked Dec 29 09:29:16 warren: i know a online japanese im Dec 29 09:29:18 now I restart luna ? Dec 29 09:29:25 jacques: it should just work now Dec 29 09:29:28 Rod can you paste that bootsrap command again Dec 29 09:29:35 i am on a pc here Dec 29 09:29:37 trim81: cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap Dec 29 09:29:50 trim81: you need to run that on the pre Dec 29 09:30:02 rwhitby, ipkgservice should now be running even though I didn't restart luna ? Dec 29 09:30:21 jacques: oh, you need to restart java Dec 29 09:30:30 OK give me a sec Dec 29 09:31:08 rwhitby, I just restarted it with lunamgr, what's the cmd line way ? Dec 29 09:32:03 warren: http://zawakei.web.fc2.com/mojimoca/ , do you try this? Dec 29 09:32:04 Rod how do I copy/paste putty log ihere? Dec 29 09:32:12 i want to show u what it outputted Dec 29 09:32:35 can i flash my GSM pre with the sprint 1.3.5 update? Dec 29 09:32:43 rwhitby, I restarted java twice and "ps -efwww|grep ipkg" still only shows that long line with "/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin/java" Dec 29 09:32:52 ameng: interesting Dec 29 09:33:40 Rod it asks me if I want to install .3 FROM .1, i click yes...everything installed correctly, luna restarted.,...and still getting "Package Manager not Running" error Dec 29 09:33:42 great. one of my parents just woke up my 9 month old. Dec 29 09:33:47 time to take him to his mother. Dec 29 09:34:18 jacques: so 0.9.24 won't start for you? Dec 29 09:34:34 rwhitby, no Dec 29 09:34:53 jacques: cause 0.9.24.3 just worked for me, doing the gstservice migration correctly :-( Dec 29 09:35:04 jacques: so I can't reproduce your problem Dec 29 09:35:17 ok Dec 29 09:35:20 um, somewhere I read about a patch or app which removes all homebrew apps prior to a system upgrade? Anyone any idea where I could find this? Dec 29 09:35:29 well I have to go home Dec 29 09:35:49 damanda, Emergency Patch Repair (aka EPR) Dec 29 09:36:03 trim81: in webos-internals patches? Dec 29 09:36:07 Rod........do you see my error? Dec 29 09:36:33 damanda, open up webosquickinstall and choose webosinternals-all then check Emergency Patch Repair Dec 29 09:36:53 I hope webosdoctor 1.3.5 comes out soon Dec 29 09:37:13 trim81: any chance I can find this on the pre with Preware? Dec 29 09:37:15 jacques: lemketron said tomorrow/today supposedly Dec 29 09:37:19 rwhitby good morning Dec 29 09:37:31 jauderho, thanks Dec 29 09:37:36 mobgod: g'day Dec 29 09:37:50 rwhitby did u get my msg lastnight Dec 29 09:38:05 mobgod: maybe not Dec 29 09:38:12 the pre was sent Dec 29 09:38:18 trim81: yep, but can't reproduce it Dec 29 09:38:29 i should have a tracking number for you a little later on today Dec 29 09:38:36 mobgod: awesome Dec 29 09:38:38 does any one use WIRC for pre? Dec 29 09:38:48 suruat i do Dec 29 09:38:55 i have a strong feeling mvapp is the culprit of many things Dec 29 09:38:57 i need to know how to enter this chennel from pre Dec 29 09:39:09 i DID do a mvapp restoreall prior to 1.3.5 Dec 29 09:39:12 suruat are you joking Dec 29 09:39:24 no lol Dec 29 09:39:24 everything seems to load slow as hell now Dec 29 09:39:34 i am new to irc Dec 29 09:39:49 suruat /j #webos-internals Dec 29 09:40:38 wow i'm awake way too early Dec 29 09:40:46 brb need coffee Dec 29 09:41:11 mobgod: wow, i'm awake way too late. Dec 29 09:41:13 rod: others are reporting this too Dec 29 09:41:15 http://discussion.treocentral.com/general-webos-chat/221391-package-manager-service-not-running-error.html Dec 29 09:41:20 mobgod Dec 29 09:41:49 when i go to wirc in new server i select free node right? Dec 29 09:42:49 yes Dec 29 09:43:49 ok after i select freenode i get couple channels. i click irc.freenode.net Dec 29 09:44:12 it asks me for alias Dec 29 09:44:20 n address Dec 29 09:44:26 what do i put? Dec 29 09:44:30 woohoo! Dec 29 09:44:41 updated to 1.3.5 and ipkgservice is running Dec 29 09:44:52 suruat alias put whatever you like Dec 29 09:45:59 and address? Dec 29 09:46:23 jauderho_ nice! i have to run webos doctor again. heh Dec 29 09:46:30 umm Dec 29 09:46:43 suruat: see Dec 29 09:46:48 is there a reason why pdfviewer is still in /var/usr/palm/applications? Dec 29 09:46:49 very easy Dec 29 09:47:11 address = #webos-internals? Dec 29 09:47:24 jauderho: wow you broke ur pre Dec 29 09:47:45 suruat where do you see address? Dec 29 09:48:05 first i click + to add new channel Dec 29 09:48:20 in new server i click freenodw Dec 29 09:48:35 you dont need to add new channel Dec 29 09:48:48 just connect to the server and use the command i gave you Dec 29 09:49:27 rwhitby what time do you have Dec 29 09:49:39 rwhitby: looks like preware is borked for me. I dont see any feeds Dec 29 09:49:40 8:20pm Dec 29 09:49:50 now i can't even get webos doctor to run. phone keeps disconnecting. Dec 29 09:49:50 getting an onlength error or something Dec 29 09:50:32 Adelaide Dec 29 09:50:34 mobgod, dude i must be really annoying u but i can't seem to figure it out Dec 29 09:51:00 jauerho you need to update the package management service using webos quick install version 2.96. Dec 29 09:51:18 trim81: I love how that thread you pasted mentions absolutely no version numbers of anything. Dec 29 09:51:31 i had that exact problem before i bricked my pre with the cpu patch. heh Dec 29 09:51:39 suruat did you connect Dec 29 09:52:04 im just going to doctor this Dec 29 09:52:11 annoying but probably faster Dec 29 09:54:07 rwhitby do you see anything Dec 29 09:54:11 ack Dec 29 09:54:13 rwhitby: can you repost the pastebin url for that fixup script again? seems to have scrolled off my chat log Dec 29 09:55:36 jauderho wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap Dec 29 09:56:25 not that script. i'm referring to the script that creates an additional directory in /media/cryptofs Dec 29 09:57:26 oh sorry Dec 29 10:03:12 found it! Dec 29 10:03:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e540432 Dec 29 10:08:09 ok, I need to drive home - will be back on later. Dec 29 10:08:41 jauderho what are you trying to do Dec 29 10:08:42 ? Dec 29 10:10:31 mobgod: fix things so that preware sees the feeds in the new location Dec 29 10:10:43 seems to work now although the patches feed seems to be broken Dec 29 10:11:50 jauderho could be in startup Dec 29 10:12:19 "script error" Dec 29 10:16:57 argh... damn browser crashed Dec 29 10:17:06 you forget how many accounts you have this phone synced with till it asks you to reenter every single password Dec 29 10:17:18 so I have no clue if anyone answered me... is there a way to remove preware and package manager from the command line? Dec 29 10:17:44 mobgod: nah. Dec 29 10:17:47 doubt it Dec 29 10:18:19 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update pulls down the feed fine so probably is a preware issue somewhere. Dec 29 10:20:37 jauderho thats what i mean sorry Dec 29 10:20:41 its too early Dec 29 10:39:27 Hi Dec 29 10:39:36 hows everytone doing? Dec 29 10:41:08 is anyone on? Dec 29 10:43:56 =D? Dec 29 10:45:09 hi Dec 29 10:52:33 maxius191: hi Dec 29 10:54:20 hi Dec 29 10:54:23 I was wondering Dec 29 10:54:27 I got my pre to work Dec 29 10:54:35 but I can not seem to be able to root it Dec 29 10:54:43 it's in Diag mode Dec 29 10:54:51 its on 1.3.1 Dec 29 10:55:28 any tips? Dec 29 10:55:44 maxius191: install the Palm SDK, and use novaterm. Or install Preware and use Terminal. Or install WebOS Quick Install and use the Linux command line window. Dec 29 10:56:13 im on nova term Dec 29 10:56:18 its asking me to join Dec 29 10:56:35 asking for a host name to connect to Dec 29 10:56:44 that's not novaterm Dec 29 10:57:19 i have installed the mojo SDK Dec 29 10:57:33 novaterm doesn't ask for a host name Dec 29 10:57:52 in which folder of the palm SDK should it be?> Dec 29 10:58:03 i see bin and share Dec 29 10:59:01 have you searched on the Palm forums or on PreCentral.net yet? Dec 29 10:59:17 I have Dec 29 10:59:29 The instruction does not seem to work Dec 29 10:59:45 I have programmed it to work on MetroPCS to work for talk/text Dec 29 11:00:11 when I connect to it, it does not give me an option to select which mode I want to put it in anymore Dec 29 11:00:51 maxius..pmed you.. maybe you can help Dec 29 11:03:58 any hints? Dec 29 11:09:48 if anyone can help, that'd be great Dec 29 11:09:51 Hoping someone can tell me how to recover my photos before I run the doctor -- the only way I can get in is through the Linux commandline in WebOS quick install :( Dec 29 11:10:20 Something messed up trying to update preware. Dec 29 11:11:46 photos will not be deleted with webosdoctor 1.3.1 and up Dec 29 11:11:59 doctor 1.3.1 and up does not touch the media folder Dec 29 11:12:16 sweet Dec 29 11:12:21 that's relieving to hear. Dec 29 11:12:28 i just had to doctor mine too Dec 29 11:12:46 I was updating preware with webos quick install and something killed it Dec 29 11:13:04 only way in now is with its commandline -- can't even ssh into it Dec 29 11:14:00 dam, sounds harsh Dec 29 11:14:08 use the bo0otloader method to doctor Dec 29 11:14:30 I might just go to bed and hope a 1.3.5 doc is out tomorrow Dec 29 11:15:08 dont count on it Dec 29 11:15:12 3-5 days Dec 29 11:15:16 meh Dec 29 11:15:20 from past experiences Dec 29 11:37:25 * rwhitby starts creating the Emergency Migration Helper tool Dec 29 11:40:42 You should just call it EMH to confuse trekkies Dec 29 11:42:29 what's EMH in trekkie-speak? Dec 29 11:43:03 ah, emergency medical hologram Dec 29 11:44:34 moin Dec 29 11:45:20 g'day Dec 29 11:45:39 * rwhitby likes his time of day, when things are quiet and I can get things done Dec 29 11:45:45 s/his/this/ Dec 29 11:58:26 ok, anyone online who can alpha test a new ipkgservice version? Dec 29 12:12:29 i will be able in an hour Dec 29 12:12:32 bbs Dec 29 12:31:54 redcipher: No chance. I'm frome germy. O2 dose not have relaesed 1.3.5 here :-( Dec 29 12:32:20 and by the way quiet? It is 1:30PM here ^^ Dec 29 13:18:04 hape: 11:45pm here ;-) Dec 29 13:19:53 hape: yeah, in 2-3 weeks maybe Dec 29 13:20:34 ok i'm back Dec 29 13:20:35 :) Dec 29 13:25:26 rwhitby, can i remove crap from /var/usr/palm/applications? Dec 29 13:25:46 en0x: what's there? Dec 29 13:26:05 root@palm-webos-device:/var/usr/palm/applications# ls Dec 29 13:26:05 com.palm.app.pdfviewer org.webosinternals.gstservice Dec 29 13:26:14 there is nothing in gstservice Dec 29 13:27:05 en0x: try running the EMH Dec 29 13:27:38 ok Dec 29 13:29:02 nope id didnt move the pdfiewer Dec 29 13:29:14 screw it Dec 29 13:29:17 let it be Dec 29 13:29:29 ok updated ipkgservice from the testing feed Dec 29 13:30:02 time to install some paches now ;) Dec 29 13:31:04 i wonder why preware don;t see wircd service as installed Dec 29 13:31:07 or filemgr Dec 29 13:37:44 rwhitby: using EMH worked for me Dec 29 13:38:03 @en0x I removed pdf viewer manually, dont know if that matters Dec 29 13:38:17 it doesnt bother me Dec 29 13:38:23 let it be there Dec 29 13:38:29 heh Dec 29 13:38:51 :P Dec 29 13:39:22 * en0x is installing patches Dec 29 13:40:21 paratroopers is a pretty fun little game, so go redownload :) Dec 29 13:42:07 AnOutsider, i had fun with it yesterday while at ER Dec 29 13:43:09 glad to see more good games popping up, and with that Need 4 Speed video getting some slight credence, I'm eager to see what's in store :) Dec 29 13:43:12 hehe i wonder what i will tell palm when they call me today Dec 29 13:46:24 I wonder if flash apps (since that's likely what N4S is) will be actual apps, or if you'll just embed swfs in your app's HTML liek a webpage. Either way, bad ass Dec 29 13:49:54 AnOutsider: I expect N4S will be a native browser plugin using OpenGL ... Dec 29 13:50:21 or maybe something that takes over Luna altogether through some new API Dec 29 13:50:40 are they likely to grant access to something like that though? Dec 29 13:51:05 AnOutsider: to a big games company, I would expect so Dec 29 13:51:06 would make more sense to allow flash to run within an app (since it's just HTML) or using opengl from the app using the CANVAS tag or something Dec 29 13:51:30 alright, granted, but fi they start selectively allowing some devs to do something and not others, I can't see that being good Dec 29 13:51:40 people get jealous and defensive pretty quick Dec 29 13:51:47 AnOutsider: what, like Motion Apps and Classic? Dec 29 13:52:39 (where most of the app is already delivered in the OTA updates) Dec 29 13:52:42 well played Dec 29 13:52:53 isnt classic an official palm app though? Dec 29 13:52:58 nope Dec 29 13:53:10 well then, plausible Dec 29 13:53:30 I could argue Classic is core functionality and was simply outsourced and charged for though, I can't see that arguement with a game Dec 29 13:53:35 though I'd still think they'd want to opt for a solution that more people could use if they really want things to taake off Dec 29 13:53:43 well but that nfs looks nice tho Dec 29 13:53:44 :) Dec 29 13:53:53 mikewx: you install Classic from the app catalog, just like any other 3rd party app Dec 29 13:54:10 I think what he means though is that palm sanctioned the app, just didn't develop it Dec 29 13:54:45 and you don't think that would happen with a game that could be demoed at CES? Dec 29 13:56:10 rwhitby: yes, but as i said, outsourced and charged for Dec 29 13:56:28 Quick question...followed a lof of the chat last night and have read through most of the discussion this morning...when I restart Luna and see the "Updating the system" message, does that mean apps are moving to the cryptofs? Dec 29 13:56:51 Wiz1999: I expect so Dec 29 13:57:28 well classic aside, I'd imagine Palm would want as many developers as possible to make games like these Dec 29 13:57:38 Installed the first patch on 1.3.5 and Preware said it needed to install diffstat again...does that mean I have an old version floating around in the old location? Dec 29 13:57:51 Flash CS5 has accelerometer support for devices (Pre, iPhone), so porting great games should be trivial Dec 29 13:58:06 AnOutsider, yes but its flash... Dec 29 13:58:19 Wiz1999: yes, and the new version will remove the old version on installation Dec 29 13:58:31 rwhitby: Excellent. Dec 29 13:58:51 @en0x so? Dec 29 13:59:00 flash is a memory hog Dec 29 13:59:01 :p Dec 29 13:59:22 well I'd imagine that would be taken care of, i.e. a build tailored for the Pre's hardware Dec 29 13:59:57 and in CS5 when you export it exports for mobile, so maybe it's more forgiving. I'm hoping for CS5 and OpenGL announcements at CES Dec 29 14:01:48 Reading back I don't see any concensus on the pdfviewer that isn't moving...does it eventually move? or are thoughts are palm is leaving that in /var? Dec 29 14:02:26 Wiz1999, just forget it ;P Dec 29 14:02:42 en0x: No luck getting it to move? Dec 29 14:03:17 nope Dec 29 14:03:50 Thanks guys...back to work. :) Dec 29 14:04:03 Wiz1999: if necessary, we'll make a future ipkgservice version remove it Dec 29 14:04:08 what happened to dBsooner? Dec 29 14:04:19 dunno, he's missing all the fun Dec 29 14:04:28 rwhitby: It is still a live program or a dup? Dec 29 14:04:36 Wiz1999: dunno Dec 29 14:04:38 yap coz there is a patch that I have to bug him to fix ;D Dec 29 14:08:35 ok, I'm done for the day. night all. Dec 29 14:08:44 night rw Dec 29 14:08:45 bye rwhitby Dec 29 14:09:45 night rwhitby! Dec 29 14:09:48 you were up late. heh Dec 29 14:09:52 update season gets us all, huh? Dec 29 14:10:49 freakout: Emergency Migration Helper - there's a scoop waiting ... Dec 29 14:10:53 i think fixing stuff keep us up Dec 29 14:10:53 :) Dec 29 14:11:25 * rwhitby bbt Dec 29 14:11:46 hm, jabber plugin does not work on my pre :( Dec 29 14:11:54 with the homebrew messaging plugins Dec 29 14:13:44 hmm, I'd like to have an English language interface for my German GSM Pre, but then the default umlauts are not very comfortable for German SMS or Emails and the like. Is there a patch/app in order to change the input language independently from the interface language? Dec 29 14:14:13 not yet Dec 29 14:14:15 don't think so Dec 29 14:14:22 rwhitby :) Dec 29 14:15:09 that's a pity. but there is one in the pipeline? Or is this not possible at all? Dec 29 14:15:15 is it normal for Preware to say Fixing Unknown package and there are 171 of them? Dec 29 14:15:51 (problem is: the Enable LED Notification patch seems to work only with the English GUI...) Dec 29 14:16:07 WillJitsu: not _normal_ per se, but it's expected right now I believe. Dec 29 14:16:20 zsoc: ok thanks Dec 29 14:18:09 ok i got poor coverage Dec 29 14:18:16 will see how is the battery life improvement Dec 29 14:18:17 ;) Dec 29 14:23:26 ok gotta hit precentral forum Dec 29 14:23:35 to check how many complainers we have;D Dec 29 14:24:49 rwhitby: are the feeds down? (webos-internals and optware) Dec 29 14:26:45 nope Dec 29 14:26:50 it must be u Dec 29 14:26:51 :P Dec 29 14:33:01 oooo.. I missed the emergency migration tool :) Dec 29 14:33:50 u suck ;p Dec 29 14:33:56 well i missed it too Dec 29 14:33:56 :P Dec 29 14:34:08 coz my crap got fixed before the emt showed up Dec 29 14:34:08 :p Dec 29 14:36:34 not a terrible fix. just move your crap :p lol Dec 29 14:39:53 hi Dec 29 14:45:33 any definitive fix to downloading apps from the app catalog? Dec 29 14:46:44 REA, yap in preware Dec 29 14:47:04 it's called emergency migration tool or something like thart Dec 29 14:47:26 is it in applications? Dec 29 14:47:57 tap list everything Dec 29 14:48:01 and so a search Dec 29 14:48:58 ok, crap, I just did my first partial erase...probably didnt have to do that Dec 29 14:49:04 looks to be a PITA too Dec 29 14:49:14 anyone here that can answer a general question about how background services work? Dec 29 14:49:24 more of a curiosity of mine Dec 29 14:49:30 REA, the partial erase didn't help in my case Dec 29 14:49:43 By the way thank you everyone for all your work last night resolving this issue. You guys are awesome. Dec 29 14:49:49 are they running all of the time potentially slowing down the phone some or are they more of an 'on demand' type thing Dec 29 14:50:15 running all the time afaik Dec 29 14:50:26 but it's sleeping Dec 29 14:50:37 en0x, it is grabbing my apps automatically after finishing the erase, so maybe that is a good sign Dec 29 14:50:39 They run all the time but are almost always in iowait so aren't using any CPU or slowing anything down. Dec 29 14:50:51 I was able to fix my app store with a partial erase but due to a bad patch install (the 5x4 icon) I am doctoring my phone back to 1.3.1 and then re-upgrading anyway... :( Dec 29 14:51:01 cryptk, lol Dec 29 14:51:02 en0x: I am assuming then that they are pretty light weight so as to have minimal impact Dec 29 14:51:11 cryptk, yes Dec 29 14:51:38 Apps will also happily swap out to "disk" if there's memory pressure and they haven't been touched in a while, too. Dec 29 14:51:52 yeah tell me about it en0x, I had it all good to go then one of the patches didn't install right (I think it was kinda my fault though) Dec 29 14:51:53 worst part about this partial erase is that I had a bunch of bookmarks that I swapped in custom launcher icons for, and they are all gone now. That will take a while to redo. Dec 29 14:52:18 and my launcher was all screwed up, partial and full erase didn't fix it, the 1.3.5 doctor isn't out yet so no repair utility either... Dec 29 14:52:31 i hate doctoring my pre Dec 29 14:52:36 same here Dec 29 14:52:37 i hate losing my text messages Dec 29 14:52:38 :( Dec 29 14:52:43 that;s the real deal for me Dec 29 14:52:47 the doctor on it jsut finished actually, LUNA is starting up now Dec 29 14:53:15 I am thinking about making an "ultimate top bar menu patch" Dec 29 14:53:32 Has anyone learned anything about the hotspot daemon? That sounds incredibly useful if we can get it working. Dec 29 14:53:35 basically a combination of Jasons all in one menu patch but with the advanced phone menu added in Dec 29 14:53:54 for some reason I can't get them both applied at the same time, probably because both of them touch the same code Dec 29 14:53:58 Zorin, probably u won't see it on sprint anyway Dec 29 14:53:58 :p Dec 29 14:54:08 so someone if gonna hafta go in and do some manual deconfliction... Dec 29 14:54:22 is there a patch to make the top bar transparent? I saw it in a screenshot, but I didnt see such a patch in preware. Dec 29 14:54:58 there are tons of patches that aren't in preware including one of my favorites from jason... the one that hides the quick launcher when you have the full launcher open Dec 29 14:55:18 oh this one sucks Dec 29 14:55:43 where are they, webos quick install? Dec 29 14:56:00 they are all over the precentral forums, you can install them with WOSQI though Dec 29 14:56:22 they are attached to posts, made by different users... just save the patch file to your comp and drag it into WOSQI Dec 29 14:56:44 that Jason is such a genies Dec 29 14:56:52 webos superstar Dec 29 14:57:05 here is the link to Jason Dec 29 14:57:16 link to Jasons master patch list http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/213855-jasons-patches-master-list.html Dec 29 14:57:39 there are some patches that he made that are in preware, some are only in the forums... I don't know why he hasn't put all of them in the patch feed... Dec 29 14:57:59 nice thx!!! Dec 29 14:58:06 his ultra topbar menu patch isn't on preware, neither is the hide quick launcher while int he full launcher patch Dec 29 14:58:17 I really wish those 2 were in there Dec 29 14:58:37 what ultra topbar do? Dec 29 14:58:58 oh great, now WebOSQI doesnt recognize my pre after the partial erase. Dec 29 14:59:06 just remember, patches installed from .patch files through WOSQI should show up in preware in order to be able to remove them for an OTA update, but I would check in WOSQI just to be safge whenever the next update comes out Dec 29 14:59:11 lemme find that patch Dec 29 14:59:28 This patch will: - removed the date - un-dim the battery label - added brightness label (which expands to show a slider) - added GPS toggle - removed airplane mode toggle Dec 29 15:00:02 if we can add the advanced phone menu patch into it then it would be a one stop shop for many peoples device menus Dec 29 15:00:50 would be sweet if you could add the unlinked brightness sliders into it Dec 29 15:02:21 yey finally the download youtube videos patch is working for me on 1.3.5 Dec 29 15:02:24 ;D Dec 29 15:02:28 yeah, I think Jason said in a post somewhere that he is working on it but that it didn't work quite right, that sometimes it would reset the keyboard to the same as the screen and visa versa... but he is working on it (when he has free time) Dec 29 15:03:30 now i can download crap from yt Dec 29 15:03:30 :D Dec 29 15:03:43 has anyone messed around with populating mediadb.db3, I am trying to populate it after making changes for some of the images in it. Dec 29 15:05:23 Hi all. So do you have to use webOSQI to install the Emergency Migration Helper? I'm not finding it on Preware. Dec 29 15:05:39 did u updated the feeds? Dec 29 15:05:44 it's in list everything Dec 29 15:06:12 I could have sworn I had preware set to update on launch, but I'm updating now. Dec 29 15:07:53 ok, time to make breakfast... pancakes... if anyone wants some, come on over, you just gotta find my apartment! Dec 29 15:08:19 en0x: yes, I updated and still don't see it under List of Everything. Dec 29 15:08:52 did u try to search for it? Dec 29 15:09:21 its called "emergency migration helper" Dec 29 15:09:24 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.emergency-migration-helper_1.3.5_all.ipk Dec 29 15:09:27 and here it is Dec 29 15:09:40 what will that do? Dec 29 15:09:58 it fixes the issue with not able to install apps from app catalog Dec 29 15:10:10 o Dec 29 15:10:10 the error that tells you "reset required" Dec 29 15:10:34 has anybody worked with changing carrier settings in the webos doctor? Dec 29 15:11:24 also can you add patches using the Meta-doctor? Dec 29 15:11:36 I turned every feed other than webos-internals off, did an update, and still don't see EMH. Dec 29 15:11:39 *grumble* Dec 29 15:11:58 (and yes, I *did* uninstall and resinstall Preware.) Dec 29 15:12:51 bbs Dec 29 15:13:03 ? Dec 29 15:13:47 would the EMH run automatically? B/C I reinstalled Preware and the PkgMngr service and did a reboot, but I diddnt specifically run EMH, but upon rebooting it did pause at an updating screen for a few seconds. Dec 29 15:15:24 i just ran it about 15 min ago from preware for what it's worth Dec 29 15:16:51 * dsevil does some linux neckbeard detective work Dec 29 15:17:21 precorder working on 1.3.5 ? Dec 29 15:17:51 morning Dec 29 15:18:05 morning all Dec 29 15:18:27 great job on the overnight fixes Dec 29 15:18:57 none of the files in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists are dated later than Dec 28 21:50, which is before i updated my pre. Dec 29 15:19:17 dsevil: that's expected Dec 29 15:19:49 the /var is no longer used for package installations in 1.3.5 Dec 29 15:20:09 all apps should migrate to /media/cryptofs/apps Dec 29 15:21:09 right Dec 29 15:21:10 :P Dec 29 15:22:24 hmm Dec 29 15:22:45 egaudet_work: doesn't solve my problem but I do see updated feeds there; thanks. Dec 29 15:22:54 s/there/in that directory/ Dec 29 15:22:54 dsevil meant: egaudet_work: doesn't solve my problem but I do see updated feeds in that directory; thanks. Dec 29 15:23:47 I *do* have the updated package manager service package installed too. /me restarts java just for good measure... Dec 29 15:24:47 dsevil: what's your problem? Dec 29 15:25:00 My problem is that EMH is not showing up in Preware. Dec 29 15:25:08 Latest Preware is still 0.9.12, right? Dec 29 15:25:36 I believe so Dec 29 15:25:42 Latest package manager service is 0.9.25, right? Dec 29 15:25:45 yea Dec 29 15:25:54 Java restart doesn't fix. /me tries restart luna... Dec 29 15:25:56 when you hit manage feeds do you see webos-internals feed on? Dec 29 15:26:09 none of that should matter, if it's not in preware it's a feed thing Dec 29 15:26:10 egaudet_work: Yes. Dec 29 15:26:21 do you see other apps? Dec 29 15:26:29 available pacakges contain any linux applications? Dec 29 15:26:32 I see other stuff. Dec 29 15:26:45 can you tell me the contents of /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Dec 29 15:26:48 I'll tell you what I *do* see soon as luna restart finishes and I can launch preware. Dec 29 15:27:24 egaudet_work: # This feed is not configured - please make sure the postinst script is executed to create this feed. Dec 29 15:27:54 dated Dec 6 20:20 Dec 29 15:28:08 reinstall package manager service Dec 29 15:28:59 Removing... Dec 29 15:29:14 *argh* Dec 29 15:29:15 failed Dec 29 15:29:26 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Dec 29 15:29:46 * dsevil gets out of novaterm and tries again... Dec 29 15:30:37 no, still the same error. Dec 29 15:30:42 dookie. Dec 29 15:31:53 any ideas other than do a complete restart? Dec 29 15:32:05 * dsevil googles up that error Dec 29 15:33:21 after updating to new firmware I get the following error when trying to update feeds in preware: On feeds error TypeError: cannot read property 'length' of undefined. Any Help? Dec 29 15:33:55 remove preware and install the newest version of the package manager service with WOQI 2.96 Dec 29 15:33:55 uzhans, reinstall the ipkservice Dec 29 15:34:13 * dsevil reboots his pre Dec 29 15:34:57 thanks, i'll have to wait until I'm back at home so I can use my comp. Dec 29 15:37:10 So it seems I now have 2 ipkg services in /media/cryptofs/apps.... interseting (24.3 and 25) Dec 29 15:38:21 i feel naked. my pre has been "installing update" for like 15 min Dec 29 15:38:22 oh great. now i get a "Package Manager Service is not running" error when launching Preware. Dec 29 15:38:43 :D Dec 29 15:38:57 dsevil: I don't think we ever traced down what causes those rare device busy errors on mount Dec 29 15:39:02 restart does fix it Dec 29 15:39:21 dsevil: didn't you just remove it? Dec 29 15:39:57 I got that "device or resource busy" error when uninstalling from Preware. Dec 29 15:40:08 Assumed that meant the package wasn't removed. Dec 29 15:41:53 back... pancakes were nom nom nom Dec 29 15:42:11 haha Dec 29 15:42:19 hey guys Dec 29 15:42:38 so I am guessing that my best bet to avoid any update issues is to update to 1.3.5 THEN install preware? Dec 29 15:42:49 cryptk: correct Dec 29 15:43:14 atlanta: thanks man, I am sitting on a fresh doctor so I wanna make sure I do as much as i can to avoid any troubles Dec 29 15:43:25 1.3.5 installing now Dec 29 15:43:29 is doctor 1.3.5 out as well? that would be impressive Dec 29 15:43:31 yup its nice Dec 29 15:44:37 anybody know what the blue circle over the apps icon is Dec 29 15:45:02 what blue icon? Dec 29 15:45:08 show me Dec 29 15:45:15 ok let me screen shoot Dec 29 15:45:19 one sec Dec 29 15:45:30 i just updated a few apps and it got the icon also Dec 29 15:45:30 when I go to palm.com to download the webOS Doctor, I see this on the screen that asks for my serial number: "webOS™ Doctor for Palm® Pre™ (p100eww) for Sprint - Build Sprint.148.194, webOS 1.3.1 " Dec 29 15:45:31 hold no Dec 29 15:45:34 Not reassuring. Dec 29 15:45:58 Can anyone confirm that this can be ignored? Dec 29 15:46:17 dsevil: what do u mean Dec 29 15:46:35 en0x: have u played around with the new app catalog Dec 29 15:46:35 ? Dec 29 15:46:49 atlanta, i installed few apps and update Dec 29 15:46:50 d Dec 29 15:47:07 dsevil: the new doctor is not out yet, not as far as I know Dec 29 15:47:21 I think atlanta was saying yes to something else Dec 29 15:47:55 yea the new doctor isnt out yet Dec 29 15:48:03 hey guys my .25 ipkg service just dies when I attempt to run it with start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 15:48:08 any insights Dec 29 15:49:48 the insight is that there is something wrong Dec 29 15:49:57 en0x: http://i45.tinypic.com/a3zcds.png Dec 29 15:50:03 direwolf790: uninstall Dec 29 15:50:07 reinstall Dec 29 15:50:20 atlanta, lol never seen that Dec 29 15:50:27 even if i installed some apps Dec 29 15:50:27 en0x: lol its a pain in the ass Dec 29 15:50:30 from new app catalog Dec 29 15:50:35 i have to restart luna to make the app work Dec 29 15:50:45 en0x: ok, I will try that again, however this would be the 3rd or 4th try at that.... Dec 29 15:50:50 atlanta, looks like you need the emergency migration helper Dec 29 15:50:50 ;D Dec 29 15:51:03 already used it Dec 29 15:51:04 lol Dec 29 15:51:07 maybe let me try it again Dec 29 15:51:07 lol Dec 29 15:51:24 did it moved all of the apps from /var/usr/palm/applications? Dec 29 15:51:33 didnt really check lol Dec 29 15:51:48 just prayed that it did lol Dec 29 15:52:00 i wonder what the download manager's Be_Aggressive_Bee_Eee_AGGRESSIVE flag really does .. Dec 29 15:52:14 hehe Dec 29 15:52:22 bpadalino, it keeps hunting u since yesterday? Dec 29 15:52:22 :> Dec 29 15:52:29 it does! Dec 29 15:52:40 bpadalino: ever seen http://i45.tinypic.com/a3zcds.png Dec 29 15:52:42 that blue icon Dec 29 15:52:54 no, but it's interesting .. any idea what it is ? Dec 29 15:53:10 its a progress bar Dec 29 15:53:14 could be things updating/installing in the background Dec 29 15:53:18 i know it means that luna needs to rescan but im not to sure of why it dose it Dec 29 15:53:30 oil: but it never goes away until i rescan Dec 29 15:53:33 with luna manager Dec 29 15:53:36 maybe it tries to move the app from /var to cryptfs Dec 29 15:53:45 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/webos135updates02.jpg Dec 29 15:53:48 oh yeah look at that Dec 29 15:54:02 i just had a failed app installation ... and it puts the little triangle ! on top of the apps .. Dec 29 15:54:09 i wonder if you can have overlays now with the icons!! Dec 29 15:54:15 bpadalino, did it tell you to reset device? Dec 29 15:54:16 ;D Dec 29 15:54:21 yes! Dec 29 15:54:21 it did Dec 29 15:54:24 hahaha Dec 29 15:54:28 keeps failing apparently Dec 29 15:54:35 and it will fail for ages Dec 29 15:54:43 until u fix that appinfo.json crap Dec 29 15:54:46 seems like this has been diagnosed and is problematic ? Dec 29 15:54:47 atlanta: one of the changes in 1.3.5 is that you can now navigate away from an application in the catalog while it downloads and isntalls in the background... my guess is that is a progress bar so that you can see the current progress of your app install even if you go to a different app int he catalog, or close the catalog Dec 29 15:54:48 oil: mines stay at the full bar i never see the progress Dec 29 15:54:49 for homebrew apps Dec 29 15:54:57 en0x: what's the fix ? Dec 29 15:55:10 bpadalino, there is emergency migration helper in preware Dec 29 15:55:30 my preware is currently fubar too .. i should take the time to fix that as well Dec 29 15:55:32 bpadalino: the migration thing fix that issue for me Dec 29 15:55:39 hey, if I wanted to get ahold of a copt of one of the patches in preware, where would I go to find the file? Dec 29 15:56:01 I am wanting to combime 2 great patches together (since they won't install side by side, they both modify the same chunk of code) Dec 29 15:56:16 so i am looking for a copy of the 'Advanced Phone Menu' patch Dec 29 15:56:34 so i assume the preware, package manager service, and EMH can all be done now without the use of a computer now? Dec 29 15:57:22 we really need a super top-bar patch Dec 29 15:57:25 cronos-: gotta install it first Dec 29 15:57:31 using a computer Dec 29 15:57:36 grr this is making me mad Dec 29 15:57:44 looks like the phone is getting the doctor when i get home Dec 29 15:57:45 one that adds a "preferences app" type thing that allows you to customize what is in your device menu, top bar (date etc..) Dec 29 15:57:54 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/webos135updates01.jpg i like this info Dec 29 15:57:58 ;D Dec 29 15:57:58 atlanta: right. assuming that preware is already installed, all the updates can be done OTA before doing the 1.3.5 update? Dec 29 15:58:21 nope preware breaks after 1.3.5 install Dec 29 15:58:28 u have to install preware again after 1.3.5. update Dec 29 15:58:29 egaudet_work: I am working on a super topbar patch Dec 29 15:58:50 egaudet_work: I am combining jasons device menu remix with the advanced phone menu Dec 29 15:59:06 but I need to get ahold of the actual file for the advanced phone menu so i can combine them Dec 29 15:59:09 cool Dec 29 15:59:12 they are all in gitorious Dec 29 15:59:19 oh great, now I need to figure out how to use webOSQI behind an enterprisey corporate firewall Dec 29 15:59:24 gitoriouhttp://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Dec 29 15:59:31 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Dec 29 15:59:36 yup its official the phone is getting the doctor Dec 29 15:59:51 since doctor doesnt touch the usb parition Dec 29 15:59:58 why you doctoring Dec 29 16:00:11 egaudet_work: because after i install apps it doesnt refresh Dec 29 16:00:19 and leaves me with the blue progress icon Dec 29 16:00:30 until i use luna manager and rescan Dec 29 16:00:33 ohh fun Dec 29 16:00:37 yup Dec 29 16:00:44 ok i'm having an issue with installing and removing patches. when i install a patch i just get the spinny thing saying downloading/installing forever won't go away waited 45min. so i close preware. then i restart phone and check if it installed and its not working but preware lists it as installed so i try to remove through preware and i get the same problem any ideas? worked fine before running emergency migration utility Dec 29 16:00:49 maybe ill try running EMH again Dec 29 16:01:06 atlanta: you have you reinstall preware after the 1.3.5 update even with EMH "helping" wth the transition? Dec 29 16:01:23 egaudet_work: found it, thanks! Dec 29 16:01:40 cronos-: yea i installed it then ran EMH Dec 29 16:02:23 anyone know if the SDK has been updated with 1.3.5? or where I can download it from, need to update a patch I had working for 1.3.1 which is not working on 1.3.5 now, and would rather use EMulator to test it first Dec 29 16:02:59 any ideas where i screwed up? i reinstalled preware and updated packagemanagerservice yesterday then updated to the latest of it again this morning Dec 29 16:03:48 BoBoYsDaDDa: did you update feeds? Dec 29 16:04:07 egaudet_work: how can I save that .patch file off gitorious? Dec 29 16:04:16 I don't see a download link or anything... Dec 29 16:04:22 yes i update feeds every time open preware Dec 29 16:04:27 mikePre: negative Dec 29 16:04:54 atlanta: thanksm, will just keep an eye out for it then Dec 29 16:04:58 do i need to be logged in? Dec 29 16:05:08 click rae Dec 29 16:05:09 raw Dec 29 16:05:12 egaudet_work at least it says i'm downloading feed information every time i open it Dec 29 16:05:17 you can wget the raw blob Dec 29 16:05:26 BoBoYsDaDDa: that's not updating Dec 29 16:05:33 different things Dec 29 16:05:47 ok i'll try the other way brb Dec 29 16:05:51 downloading the feed information that's cached from the last update Dec 29 16:05:56 manually update feeds to see if it helps Dec 29 16:06:04 cryptk: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.3.5 Dec 29 16:06:12 Ok I got most everything sorted out and working how I want it, after applying 1.3.5 before updating Preware or packagemangerservice reloaded afterwards, my question is anything left I should clean up that is not needed in the file system anymore? Dec 29 16:07:28 i will have to say things are a little snappier Dec 29 16:07:40 and when i scroll my contacts list it is least glitcher Dec 29 16:07:50 atlanta: I don't see any raw link on there... I found the patch file, but no raw link... Dec 29 16:08:04 for me things are average, not a hwole lot worse, not a whole lot better on the speed end Dec 29 16:08:09 do I need to be registered and authenticated with gitorious to see that link? Dec 29 16:08:16 there's still times when I tap an app and it takes a few seconds to open Dec 29 16:08:52 cryptk: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/commits/webos-1.3.5 Dec 29 16:08:56 right side Dec 29 16:08:59 just download the whole Dec 29 16:09:00 .gz Dec 29 16:09:23 or cryptk if you are on the page for the patch on the bottom right click raw blob data Dec 29 16:09:26 then wget that url Dec 29 16:09:52 does webos have a full shell with all the standard bash tools? Dec 29 16:09:52 there u go Dec 29 16:09:57 egaudet_work: found it... tinly little link down there Dec 29 16:10:10 cronos-: most of them Dec 29 16:10:11 yea Dec 29 16:10:15 cronos-: the linux shell is pretty complete Dec 29 16:10:18 sorry - i got sidetracked .. Dec 29 16:10:18 it uses umm busybox or something like that Dec 29 16:10:20 it uses busybox Dec 29 16:10:27 en0x: so how do you have to fix the appinfo.json stuff ? Dec 29 16:10:30 i was on the money :-) Dec 29 16:10:35 you can install bash though through preware though Dec 29 16:10:39 awesome.. my pre is out for delivery today.. my wife has a pixi, but she hasn't let me play with it much.. heh Dec 29 16:10:40 so they are lighter versions of most of the tools Dec 29 16:11:03 Hey all, when installing my theme via Preware I receive no errors and the files appear to be replaced as a backup png is created however the images do not change. Is there anything I need to change as the theme creator to make it work? Dec 29 16:11:06 atlanta: how did you end up fixing the failed apps stuff ? Dec 29 16:11:15 bpadalino: you can install EMH to do it for ya Dec 29 16:11:24 bpadalino: EMH Dec 29 16:11:27 using preware Dec 29 16:11:38 but then that created my nonrefresh issue Dec 29 16:11:57 ok .. so install emh Dec 29 16:11:59 so since the doctor doesnt touch my side files im about to doctor it now Dec 29 16:12:21 imma try EMH one more time Dec 29 16:12:47 egaudet_work: when wilil the virtual keyboard be updated Dec 29 16:12:49 for 1.3.5 Dec 29 16:12:49 ? Dec 29 16:13:03 why are you pressuring me :runs: Dec 29 16:13:14 LMFAO Dec 29 16:13:15 hopefully tonight atlanta Dec 29 16:13:27 ok cool cool Dec 29 16:13:32 eek, installed 4x4 launcher patch and now have no icons..heh Dec 29 16:13:33 user asked in #webos Dec 29 16:13:39 mikewx: ut OHHH Dec 29 16:14:02 yea aupt, and then sickness and then christmas took away all my time Dec 29 16:14:19 universal search found preware, time to uninstall Dec 29 16:14:35 egaudet_work: its all good brother Dec 29 16:14:51 dBsooner: anything i should check before i uninstall it? Dec 29 16:15:13 yay, i see EMH now :D Dec 29 16:17:07 Every time I start Preware I get "Fixing unknown packages" and it counts up to 17. If it has to do it over and over I assume they weren't really fixed. Ideas on what might be going on? Dec 29 16:19:02 I think that's normal Dec 29 16:19:11 woo i have icons again Dec 29 16:19:14 if you have it set to update feeds on every load Dec 29 16:19:16 lets try 4x4v3 :) Dec 29 16:19:44 bpadalino, with the EMH tool Dec 29 16:19:58 bpadalino, or if you have ssh access to ur pre Dec 29 16:20:33 i'd prefer to just use the terminal to fix it .. Dec 29 16:21:03 bpadalino, http://webos.pastebin.com/d6e540432 use this script Dec 29 16:21:14 thanks Dec 29 16:21:15 Thanks everyone; all is well! :) Dec 29 16:21:31 en0x is there a fix for the preware issue yet or is the fix WQI ? Dec 29 16:21:43 mobgod, only reinstall of preware works Dec 29 16:21:59 I coulda sworn I had the emulator installed on here... Dec 29 16:22:02 WQI no good than for that issue? Dec 29 16:22:20 mobgod, like i said reinstall preware i dont care with what Dec 29 16:22:23 Has anyone got any theme to work with 1.3.5? Dec 29 16:22:57 i dont use themes Dec 29 16:23:09 anything left I should clean up that is not needed in the file system anymore? Dec 29 16:24:46 whee. got the update late last night. Dec 29 16:26:54 we need a way to bulk install/uninstall in preware Dec 29 16:27:03 selecting 15 patches 1 by 1 is slow Dec 29 16:27:08 PuffTheMagic: checkboxes Dec 29 16:27:15 go code it Dec 29 16:27:39 i would Dec 29 16:27:42 bleh. wirc settings got lost Dec 29 16:27:54 but i feel like im not allowed to touch preware/ipkgservice Dec 29 16:28:05 why Dec 29 16:28:42 don't push a release, but I dont' see why you shouldn't be able to add to the projects if you can/want Dec 29 16:29:22 our commits can always be reverted if they are hated :P Dec 29 16:29:38 I think better than a checkbox system (which would be nice) would be a way to save/restore your list of installed items Dec 29 16:29:52 do I have to reinstall preware after the update? Dec 29 16:30:30 direwolf790: what if u save your list and then apps disappear Dec 29 16:30:34 direwolf790: they arent' exlusive Dec 29 16:30:36 importing it would fail Dec 29 16:30:43 some sorta of checkbox thing would be needed Dec 29 16:30:46 checkboxes and profile are both good ideas Dec 29 16:30:50 or hold orange and tap Dec 29 16:30:52 yes Dec 29 16:30:52 fair, but you could have it check the feeds pre-running Dec 29 16:30:56 and it add it to a queue Dec 29 16:31:05 If I want to install 30 NEW patches, then a profile of saved installed items won't do me any good Dec 29 16:31:06 for install or remove Dec 29 16:31:21 good points Dec 29 16:31:45 its the reason's I leave the coding to you guys... However, I do need to get off my butt and actually write something for this awesome phone Dec 29 16:31:52 i think if I do anything its gonna be orange+tap adds the package to the install queue (if not installed) and to a remove queue (if installed) Dec 29 16:32:02 although a way to store the list might be good so someone doesn't have to figure out which ones they had installed before. Dec 29 16:32:07 then display a special batch list of shit to install/remove Dec 29 16:32:45 hm, anyone applied the binary patch to enable "real" jabber? Dec 29 16:32:53 jtrucks: how about.... instead of a saved list, preware uses a cookie to store the frequency that an app is installed or something Dec 29 16:32:56 PuffTheMagic: that would be fine for power users Dec 29 16:33:10 then preware can have a new sort option Dec 29 16:33:10 PuffTheMagic: hmmm... interesting thought. Dec 29 16:33:44 sort by times installed Dec 29 16:33:45 idk Dec 29 16:34:12 I like the profile idea allowing you to just save your currently installed list of apps and then restore them Dec 29 16:34:17 or most recently installed. Dec 29 16:34:19 what is the new directory that apps are stored in? Dec 29 16:34:34 rea: /media/cryptofs/apps Dec 29 16:34:50 i wonder if the audio encoder was fixed in the official 1.3.5 Dec 29 16:34:50 I wish Palm had a website where you can access contacts and other info stored in the Palm Profile. It's like a black box you can only open with the phone. Dec 29 16:34:56 thanks Dec 29 16:34:59 It's why I moved all my contacts to Google. Dec 29 16:35:15 most recently installed or most installed won't help when A) I have an old package i installed a while ago I want to keep or B) I have a new package just installed for the first time I want to keep Dec 29 16:35:23 saved profile/backup I like Dec 29 16:35:39 Zorin: use exchange myself, however it would be nice, even if its just a way to get a csv or ics of the data Dec 29 16:35:54 egaudet_work: well saved profile is a magnitude more work Dec 29 16:36:01 not really Dec 29 16:36:09 list_installed > file Dec 29 16:36:30 how do u restore them Dec 29 16:36:43 u auto skip missing packages when u try to restore them Dec 29 16:36:46 restore button Dec 29 16:36:53 are u gonna tell the user they dont exist or just silently skip them Dec 29 16:36:54 egaudet_work: that is my thought... Dec 29 16:37:06 but theres the whole missing or not updated packages issue. Dec 29 16:37:10 where is the restore button gonna be.... menu? Dec 29 16:37:26 wherever is bet Dec 29 16:37:27 best* Dec 29 16:37:33 lol Dec 29 16:39:44 we could get really funky and wrap the ipkg binary to sync a list of installed apps, so if apps were removed some way other than via ipkg it would autorestore them Dec 29 16:40:02 hi there i have a question , getting ready to install latest webos and i did epr and there is one patch that won't remove called wrap pages Dec 29 16:40:14 its gone as it doesn't work but in preware it still recognizes it Dec 29 16:40:31 any ideas on how to fully remove it so preware doesn't recognize it? Dec 29 16:40:43 egaudet_work so i tried updating feeds and running epr and ended up with the same problem so restart phone and update feeds again and still same problem Dec 29 16:40:52 I really wish I could add attendees in the damn calendar Dec 29 16:41:56 yanks4life: I would help you but I'm a red sox fan Dec 29 16:42:10 oh come on you can't hold it against me hahaha Dec 29 16:42:20 lol :P do you have terminal access? Dec 29 16:42:31 yes Dec 29 16:43:05 ls /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-wrap-pages/ Dec 29 16:43:39 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-wrap-pages to remove it if you are sure the patch is already unapplied but the ipkg just isn't removed Dec 29 16:44:28 OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG Dec 29 16:44:33 Palm came though!!!!!!! Dec 29 16:44:38 awesome Dec 29 16:44:47 oh shit Dec 29 16:44:49 well spill it PuffTheMagic.... Dec 29 16:44:50 i forgot something Dec 29 16:44:52 maybenot Dec 29 16:45:10 nope Dec 29 16:45:15 spoke to soon Dec 29 16:46:33 has anyone seen an issue where you have 30+ patches installed using preware, but when you go to Device Management in WOSQI 2.96, there are no patches listed....? Dec 29 16:46:58 poor WOSQI Dec 29 16:48:27 PuffTheMagic: what did you speak to soon about Dec 29 16:48:43 i thought they fixed the audioencoder Dec 29 16:48:51 but they didnt Dec 29 16:48:59 working on the uber device menu now... give me a bit... Dec 29 16:53:52 im back Dec 29 16:54:45 had a preware error I posted about an hour ago...didn't need to reinstall, a full reset took care of the error Dec 29 16:54:46 thanks for the help Dec 29 16:56:51 ok so new problem can't access device in wosqi Dec 29 16:57:01 uzhans: did full reset keep ur usb parition in tack Dec 29 16:57:01 ? Dec 29 16:57:07 BoBoYsDaDDa: same here Dec 29 16:57:12 says its not connected when its plugged in developer mode is enabled and it is set to just charge Dec 29 16:58:26 didnt have that problem Dec 29 16:58:42 won't know til I go home in a couple hours, sorry Dec 29 16:59:03 BoBoYsDaDDa: I'd try restarting novacom service Dec 29 16:59:12 PuffTheMagic: I take it your update came? Dec 29 16:59:16 kk i'll try to figure that out Dec 29 16:59:36 grrr i gotta turn off reticle again Dec 29 16:59:36 in Windows: start, run, services.msc, look for Palm Novacom, stop it and then start it Dec 29 17:00:17 i can do it though task manager right? right click novacomd-select stop-select start? Dec 29 17:00:56 use the services.msc Dec 29 17:01:02 mikePre: I've not seen WOSQI and Preware display the same informati8on at all. Dec 29 17:01:48 http://forums.precentral.net/2112331-post1.html o_X Dec 29 17:01:51 destinal did it the way u asked same problem Dec 29 17:02:08 hmmm, must be something else going on then, don't know Dec 29 17:02:23 uzhans: was your preware error "OnFeeds Error TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined"? Dec 29 17:03:13 damn netsplits Dec 29 17:05:25 any idea on when webos doctor 1.3.5 comes out? Dec 29 17:05:38 when it comes out Dec 29 17:06:33 it may be out already and just needs found :P Dec 29 17:06:44 no telling until we look Dec 29 17:07:03 its not on the webos site Dec 29 17:07:17 Yeah, I figured that Dec 29 17:10:34 Since I upgraded to 1.3.5, I can't open the App Catalog...anyone else have an issue like this? Dec 29 17:14:03 Wiz1999: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2112009 Dec 29 17:14:57 glancing at that, it covers not being able to install from the app catalog...I can't open the app catalog. Dec 29 17:15:20 The entire app will not open. Dec 29 17:21:51 Wiz1999: have you rebooted Dec 29 17:21:56 woot emulator reinstalled... almost time to test the new UBER DEVICE MENU patch Dec 29 17:22:13 anybody wanna look at the error code i get when i try to install precorder? Dec 29 17:22:46 egaudet_work: so did the migration utiltity fix everything? Dec 29 17:23:31 * BoBoYsDaDDa has said fuck it and is attempting to run doctor Dec 29 17:24:24 egaudet_work: yep Dec 29 17:24:45 I might just doctor when the 1.3.5 doctor comes out. Dec 29 17:25:03 Wait...I take that back...it just opened. Dec 29 17:25:14 wierd Dec 29 17:25:29 another reboot did it...I've rebooted multiple times. Dec 29 17:25:34 oh well Dec 29 17:25:35 * jtrucks is trying a reset to see if preware starts working again Dec 29 17:28:02 danstah: yea EMH fixes the appinfo's that are needed Dec 29 17:28:11 what is EMH again? Dec 29 17:28:44 jfgi Dec 29 17:28:52 Emergency MIgration Helper Dec 29 17:29:12 egaudet_work: have you noticed that after a reboot your wifi does not auto connect Dec 29 17:29:24 danstah: haven't been able to get anywhere with wifi yet Dec 29 17:30:03 hmmm. Dec 29 17:31:06 so preware is complaining with: OnFeeds Error TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined Dec 29 17:31:11 anyone have an idea? Dec 29 17:31:13 * jtrucks googles Dec 29 17:31:34 reinstall latest preware and pkg mngr then run the EMH Dec 29 17:31:48 k Dec 29 17:32:30 and then reboot Dec 29 17:32:53 So what do I do if EPR didn't remove one of the patches I had installed and now I get an error trying to remove it? Dec 29 17:34:11 yell at me first Dec 29 17:34:42 you can remove the ipkg stuff manually Dec 29 17:34:51 are you on 1.3.5 Ron001 ? Dec 29 17:34:57 yes I am Dec 29 17:35:56 removed theme, ran epr, updated, reinstalled package manager service then ran EMH, then rebooted and ran preware. and now it says I have a patch installed Dec 29 17:35:58 Ron001: what patch is stuck Dec 29 17:36:15 change number of bookmarks on startpage Dec 29 17:37:28 Ron001: terminal access? Dec 29 17:37:37 yes I do Dec 29 17:37:43 reinstalling preware seems to get me past the error. downloading feeds now. Dec 29 17:38:12 md5sum /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/startpage-assistant.js Dec 29 17:38:15 Ron001: ^^ Dec 29 17:38:30 grep startpage-assistant.js /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums Dec 29 17:38:33 Ron001: ^^ Dec 29 17:38:35 egaudet_work: have you heard any word about the reason why you get 166 packages that need fixing on preware bootup? Dec 29 17:38:37 tell me the outpout of those 2 Dec 29 17:38:53 sounds like a feed issue to me danstah Dec 29 17:38:56 egaudet_work: cc93fa21a09e90767b51134f3021784e /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/startpage-assistant.js Dec 29 17:39:18 ok so i think i know where my problem is on getting stuff to install or remove. patches and such that requrie the confirm script ok click won't work because i can't get the confirm script bar to pop up on the bottom Dec 29 17:39:34 egaudet_work and : usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.app.browser.md5sums:cc93fa21a09e90767b51134f3021784e *./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/startpage-assistant.js Dec 29 17:39:43 egaudet_work: are you getting the same issue? Dec 29 17:39:43 BoBoYsDaDDa: while it is spinning hit top left app menu and then ipkg log Dec 29 17:40:00 Ron001: ok looks good now we can just remove the ipkg data Dec 29 17:40:11 kk Dec 29 17:40:19 Ron001: it shows up as installed in preware? Dec 29 17:40:28 yes id does Dec 29 17:40:54 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.browser-change-number-of-bookmarks-on-startpage Dec 29 17:41:09 danstah: no I haven't seen that Dec 29 17:41:50 egaudet_work says Confirm user consent requested for pre-remove script execution Dec 29 17:42:20 that's all? Dec 29 17:42:36 yes that is the only thing listed Dec 29 17:42:45 egaudet_work: reloaded preware - its gone now. Thanks. Dec 29 17:42:51 np Dec 29 17:43:38 does anyone know how to populate mediadb.db3 or how to get the applications to update so it reads newly added files to the pre? as in if I want to move a photo through the terminal and have the photo app recognize it without having to restart. Dec 29 17:44:00 BoBoYsDaDDa: maybe your confirmation app wasn't installed correctly Dec 29 17:44:04 egaudet_work: what's the official pre-135 upgrade readyness method? Dec 29 17:44:07 have you tried reinstalling package manager service Dec 29 17:44:13 egaudet_work: do you have any feeds disabled? Dec 29 17:44:19 i'll give it a shot Dec 29 17:44:29 zsoc, the minimal needed? Dec 29 17:44:50 danstah: just webos-patches Dec 29 17:45:00 elpollodiablo1: don't quote me on this, but you might be able to delete mediadb and restart fileindexer. jason does it for internalz in the service Dec 29 17:45:16 egaudet_work: you have only that one disabled? Dec 29 17:45:17 egaudet_work: yes, minimal Dec 29 17:45:39 package manager service 0.9.25 Dec 29 17:45:53 and then install EMH after OTA Dec 29 17:46:07 kk Dec 29 17:46:11 thanks zsoc I will look into that Dec 29 17:46:56 egaudet_work: i just disabled the prethemer feed and got rid of all my unknown packages that needed fixing Dec 29 17:47:47 egaudet_work won't allow me to remove the package manager service because 2 other apps rely on it. preware and luna manager Dec 29 17:48:03 and i can't reinstall through wosqi because that doesn't recognize my phone Dec 29 17:48:17 BoBoYsDaDDa: remove those first Dec 29 17:48:45 if i remove those how am i going to install anything if my phone isn't recognized in wosqi Dec 29 17:49:18 BoBoYsDaDDa: do you have the terminal app? Dec 29 17:49:45 i don't think so but i can install it i believe. haven't had issues installing apps Dec 29 17:49:48 one sec Dec 29 17:50:40 nope its getting hung on the script confirmation Dec 29 17:51:38 hmmm Dec 29 17:51:52 do you have ssh access Dec 29 17:52:11 no clue Dec 29 17:52:42 brb Dec 29 17:53:15 i'll go reformat a computer to linux to get this to work if i have to and someone will walk me through everything Dec 29 17:53:28 Reverse tethering for the win (although the main reason I used it, huge OTA updates, is no longer really an issue) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering Dec 29 17:54:13 zsoc: that did the trick. now I just need to figure out away to do is easily with in an app Dec 29 17:55:14 elpollodiablo1: again, I deflect to Jason. but as far as I know you can't do it in an app without at minimal a java service Dec 29 17:55:40 hey, is there a tutorial somewhere on how to create a .patch file? I have 3 files that are changed as part of a patch I am creating and I jsut need to know how to create the final .patch file Dec 29 17:56:47 cryptk_: on linux, gnu diff should do the strick Dec 29 17:57:05 brb then... gotta reboot into *nix Dec 29 17:57:39 hi folks. reading on the 1.3.5 changelog that apps now live on the usb drive. Does that mean that users can just copy apps directly off the device without rooting? Dec 29 17:57:58 BoBoYsDaDDa: is it in developer mode? Dec 29 17:58:02 have you restarted novacom services Dec 29 17:58:09 have you unplugged/replugged usb cable Dec 29 17:58:14 egaudet_work yes and yes and yes Dec 29 17:58:23 tried different usb ports even Dec 29 17:58:51 odd, install the terminal app Dec 29 17:58:58 then you can use the preware-boostrap script Dec 29 17:59:24 egaudet_work won't allow me too because it needs the terminal service whatever wich requires script confirmation which i can't do Dec 29 17:59:27 hmm but you can't get script conf. so you can't get terminal plugin Dec 29 17:59:29 ok, back... and in a good OS this time... Dec 29 17:59:37 well you need to somehow get novacom working Dec 29 17:59:56 the computer shows the driver and service as working Dec 29 18:00:08 brb Dec 29 18:01:15 sorry wife called Dec 29 18:02:38 ok my lappy has never had any of the webos stuff installed on it. i'm going to try setting that up for it from scratch and see if that works. but its running W7 which i know had some problems in the past so i may need some help getting it running Dec 29 18:04:11 Hi, can someone help me with an error during an install of optware? Dec 29 18:06:39 dear gods, if this slowness in applying the update is a result of the new binary diffing, I want to go back to the old way. Dec 29 18:07:02 this is horrible Dec 29 18:07:09 is webosdoctor sprint 1.3.5 available yet? Dec 29 18:08:09 I just doctored a pre to 1.3.1 and then installed the update to 1.3.5 -- I think the DOCTOR was significantly faster, and that's just wrong Dec 29 18:09:33 jacques: not officially, and if there's something up on the CDN that hasn't been linked to, we haven't found it yet Dec 29 18:09:48 destinal: thanks Dec 29 18:10:07 destinal: it's slow but I think everyone was so excited yesterday they forgotto complain lol Dec 29 18:10:21 I guess it won't hurt me to spend a few hours trying to figure out why my ipkgservice won't start Dec 29 18:10:44 jacques: shouldn't take nearly that long Dec 29 18:11:05 zsoc: well, we spent about three hours on it last night and got essentially nowhere :-\ Dec 29 18:11:33 I probably did something really special to my install Dec 29 18:12:27 tried lots of things, manually editing upstart script, removing and re-installing package manager with .1 .2 and .3 and 0.9.24 manually Dec 29 18:12:39 doctored it :-( Dec 29 18:13:02 but the service simply will not start, and I dunno how to find out why not Dec 29 18:13:12 is the 1.3.5 update this slow for everyone else? Dec 29 18:13:17 no Dec 29 18:13:24 destinal: slow as in Dec 29 18:13:25 ? Dec 29 18:13:35 like, slower than running a doctor Dec 29 18:13:37 mine took forever to update and my phone has been a bitch ever since Dec 29 18:13:49 destinal: which part is slow? downloading or installing? Dec 29 18:13:49 jacques: you try preware bootstrap? Dec 29 18:13:49 destinal: it ran pretty fast for me just had to do the moving of apps and stuff Dec 29 18:14:05 zsoc: yep tried the bootstrap Dec 29 18:14:10 just doctored pre, nothing special on it Dec 29 18:14:13 anyone? when I try to install optware it says Dropbear SSH daemon fails to start Dec 29 18:14:30 jacques: sounds like a java service issue Dec 29 18:14:35 smoke break bbiaf Dec 29 18:14:56 tarirene: did you use the bootstrap script? Dec 29 18:14:58 zsoc: could very well be. any tips for me to try to debug it? Dec 29 18:15:02 yes Dec 29 18:15:15 right after doctoring back to 1.3.1 Dec 29 18:15:20 tarirene: what's your command prompt say? (before the #) Dec 29 18:15:25 I've done that a lot of times and it's always worked before Dec 29 18:15:32 initctl: (31165/899727782) Unknown job: optware-dropbear ERROR: Failed to start the Dropbear SSH daemon: Dec 29 18:15:41 destinal: my phone downloaded the update pretty quickly over wifi in the background last night, but the install took ... a while Dec 29 18:16:01 jacques: the download was faster but the installation much much slower Dec 29 18:16:12 destinal: OK yeah same for me Dec 29 18:16:12 I'd prefer the other way around Dec 29 18:16:34 since I can always reverse tether and download at awesome speeds :) Dec 29 18:16:57 or use wifi, etc Dec 29 18:17:21 well binary patching has to create the new binaries Dec 29 18:17:23 right Dec 29 18:17:46 ok, so I know how to use diff to compare 2 files, but how do I use it when my patch involves 3 separate files? Dec 29 18:17:48 it's a trade-off, network bandwith for our time :-) Dec 29 18:17:49 I guess their thinking is it's better to take longer locally than to take longer over a potentially slow network Dec 29 18:17:54 yeah, just saying, I think I liked the reinstall entire package method better Dec 29 18:17:56 bandwidth Dec 29 18:18:30 Ok...dumb question...How do I see the /media/cryptofs directory? When I ssh in, I can't seem to get there. Dec 29 18:18:56 Wiz1999: this is on 1.3.5 ? Dec 29 18:19:02 yep Dec 29 18:19:12 then that's really strange Dec 29 18:19:37 Wiz1999: ls /media/ doesn't show cryptofs? Dec 29 18:19:42 Wiz1999: can you novater in ? Dec 29 18:19:43 nope Dec 29 18:19:46 novaterm Dec 29 18:19:54 sure... Dec 29 18:20:07 still don't see it? Dec 29 18:20:18 how do i run services on windows 7? Dec 29 18:20:52 No ideas? Do I just need to delete the packages and start over? Dec 29 18:22:01 better question how do i get novacom working on windows 7 Dec 29 18:22:11 jacques: wierd...I can see it through novaterm Dec 29 18:22:55 BoBoYsDaDDa: net start [service] Dec 29 18:23:05 BoBoYsDaDDa, the easiest way to get novacom on win7 is to install the sdk Dec 29 18:23:20 Wiz1999: you are positive you ssh'd into the correct machine? ;-) Dec 29 18:23:26 yes :) Dec 29 18:23:28 only have 1 pre Dec 29 18:23:32 ok got it through wosqi Dec 29 18:23:38 maybe its a root thing Dec 29 18:23:44 I'm not sshed in as root... Dec 29 18:23:53 but even with sudo, I couldn't cd there Dec 29 18:23:58 HmS72876 Dec 29 18:24:16 sorry, wromg window Dec 29 18:25:00 egaudet_work ok got my pre to connect properly to lappy and got wosqi to work and reinstalled package manager service gonna restart luna to see if it fixed the problem Dec 29 18:25:39 my shit is still broken...preware complaining that package manager service is not installed, when in fact I've re-installed the whole damn setup about 5 times today Dec 29 18:26:06 sugardave: welcome to my club :-) Dec 29 18:26:10 whee Dec 29 18:26:10 install more times Dec 29 18:26:12 ok...I can see it with ls using sudo in my ssh session. Dec 29 18:26:18 so only root can see it Dec 29 18:26:23 arg...what a pain Dec 29 18:26:40 Wiz1999: yeah I just ssh'd into mine as root over usbnet and I can see it just fine Dec 29 18:26:42 I had to do a partial reset to get it going sugardave Dec 29 18:27:04 yeah, I won't be resetting my phone Dec 29 18:27:21 Wiz1999: yep: fontenot@palm-webos-device:/media$ ls -la ls: ./cryptofs: Permission denied Dec 29 18:27:32 exactly Dec 29 18:29:16 egaudet_work script confirm now working in preware Dec 29 18:32:16 where does upstart output from the "logger" command go? Dec 29 18:32:43 egaudet_work ok i've ran epr now what do i need to do to get everything working right without screwing it all up again Dec 29 18:33:56 nm I found it in /var/log/messages Dec 29 18:34:29 sugardave, did you reboot Dec 29 18:34:34 egaudet_work: many times Dec 29 18:34:49 BoBoYsDaDDa: you should be good Dec 29 18:35:07 sugardave: maybe you are in the same boat as jacques Dec 29 18:35:14 looking in messages...I see one error about not being able to call method 'setTimeout' coming from ipkgservice Dec 29 18:35:31 er no Dec 29 18:35:31 2 patches won't remove with epr or trying to remove them through preware Dec 29 18:35:32 preware Dec 29 18:35:35 not ipkgservice Dec 29 18:36:15 it would appear that there are no files on the CDN for 1.3.5 doctors unless the names have changed significantly Dec 29 18:36:25 so it's probably just not been posted yet Dec 29 18:36:35 So, I was one of those early birds who updated last night, and then used webos quick install to reinstall the package management service. And now I have apps that I installed with preware that preware doesn't seem to know anything about. Is there a solution for this? Dec 29 18:37:15 argh... sooo close... so I have a diff file for all 3 files, everything looks right to me but I get an error from WOSQI when I try and install it on the emulator... other patches isntall fine through it though so it is something with my patch file, but I have no clue what... Dec 29 18:37:17 Mercury: you wanted to uninstall everything, unfortunately the update changed where apps are stored Dec 29 18:37:31 and the update only migrates app store apps Dec 29 18:37:43 anyone here know anything about .patch files wanna take a quick look at it if I pastebin it? Dec 29 18:37:50 jacques: sounds like we have the same issue....for whatever reason package manager isn't really running, even though logs indicate it is Dec 29 18:37:53 destinal: Manual move of the apps via ssh and then hand merging of the ipkg files? Dec 29 18:37:54 Mercury: run the migration tool Dec 29 18:38:07 zomg: Ah, how do I go about that? :) Dec 29 18:39:05 Mercury: search for 'emer' in List of Everything Dec 29 18:39:07 ? Dec 29 18:39:09 personally I just did a doctor and update and will go from there Dec 29 18:39:26 wee! Dec 29 18:39:27 zsoc: Ah, thank you. Dec 29 18:39:29 * Mousey EPR's Dec 29 18:40:20 sugardave: I'm currently going through every file installed by the ipkgservice package looking for something wrong Dec 29 18:40:45 * Mercury runs the EMH, feels dirty in a voyager sort of way. Dec 29 18:40:53 * BoBoYsDaDDa can't get patches to remove so he's doctoring. Dec 29 18:40:59 * BoBoYsDaDDa cries Dec 29 18:41:13 * Mousey pats BoBoYsDaDDa's back Dec 29 18:41:14 there hrere Dec 29 18:41:20 I don't want to doctor my phone dammit Dec 29 18:41:24 too many pictures there Dec 29 18:41:27 s/hrer/ther/ Dec 29 18:41:27 Mousey meant: there there Dec 29 18:41:55 don't the pictures go into /media/internal? doesn't doctoring not touch /media/internal? Dec 29 18:41:59 destinal: luna migrates all apps with an appinfo.json file containing a main Dec 29 18:42:02 sugardave move your pirctures off real qucik Dec 29 18:42:07 sugardave: I don't think doctor touches /media/internal Dec 29 18:42:17 what bitshifter1001 said Dec 29 18:42:22 egaudet_work: so is it just apps that had bad json's that didn't get moved then? Dec 29 18:42:24 i lost my pics last time i doctored Dec 29 18:42:29 maybe it's change, then? I think I lost a butt-load of pics when I doctored 1.1.0 Dec 29 18:42:30 it will migrate all homebrew, but fail on the services/patches that have stuff in /var/usr/palm/applications/ withoout an appinfor.json Dec 29 18:42:33 sugardave: doctor saves /media/internal Dec 29 18:42:41 ah Dec 29 18:42:45 destinal: yea, so apps that have NOTHING in /var/usr/palm/applications are "ignored" and not moved Dec 29 18:42:48 sugardave: I think that changed in 1.3.1 Dec 29 18:42:51 * Mousey uninstalls his Grinch Stole Christmas theme Dec 29 18:43:11 packages that have SOMETHING there but not an appinfo.json break the whole migration Dec 29 18:43:11 hmmm, that's a thought, then....going to try a couple more cartwheels with what I have Dec 29 18:43:15 thanks Dec 29 18:43:17 so it would have been better for us to have json's with hidden icons Dec 29 18:43:56 * BoBoYsDaDDa watns a theme that looks like the pre is bricked showing an unable to boot error and an autohide of the launcher Dec 29 18:44:10 BoBoYsDaDDa: you are evil. :P Dec 29 18:44:16 well the EMH fix just adds an appinfo.json with {"main":""} Dec 29 18:44:34 that allows those apps that break the entire migration to migrate Dec 29 18:44:46 but we have'n't done anything for those that have nothing in /var/usr/palm/applications yet Dec 29 18:45:00 destinal that way when u help one of your friends with their pre u can give it back to them and say oops i accidently bricked your shit Dec 29 18:45:22 yeah, I thought you were evil Dec 29 18:45:50 it would have been nice if there had been any way for us to test the equivalent of OTA before they pushed instead of just doctoring. Dec 29 18:46:04 This sucks and makes us look like noobs. :-( Dec 29 18:46:16 * Mousey EPR's 38 patches, crosses fingers Dec 29 18:46:19 Rick_work: you're barking to the dogpack Dec 29 18:46:27 I know. Dec 29 18:46:29 new question - I did a reset options, full erase. Then I also did a webosdoctor with 1.3.1. Super clean. Preware wants to 'fix' 158 apps when it launches. Is that normal now? Csn this be fixed? Dec 29 18:46:31 Rick_work: but we patched it up pretty fast :) Dec 29 18:46:32 I just needed to vent Dec 29 18:46:35 mousey it wouldn't clear all my patches. hence i'm now doctoring Dec 29 18:46:45 hence fingers Dec 29 18:46:57 Guest81309: turn off prethemer feed Dec 29 18:47:21 how bout OMADM Dec 29 18:47:33 OMASMDODAPMODAM Dec 29 18:47:40 sorry Dec 29 18:47:48 * BoBoYsDaDDa is confused Dec 29 18:48:05 Rick_work: we could and probably should have manually installed things to /var after doctoring to mimic the migration process Dec 29 18:48:07 so is EMR supposed to be run -before- or -after- the 1.3.5 update? Dec 29 18:48:18 ...the Migration Helper Dec 29 18:48:23 hmm...anyone else's 1.3.5 stopped auto-connecting to known/configure wifi networks? Dec 29 18:48:32 I keep having to pick mine Dec 29 18:48:55 Mousey: doesn't matter Dec 29 18:49:04 before is better Id say Dec 29 18:49:05 Mousey: ipkgservice to xx25 first. Dec 29 18:49:12 ah Dec 29 18:49:18 * Mousey checks his service ver Dec 29 18:49:40 Mousey: then it doesn't matter. otherwise you'll have to do it before Dec 29 18:50:15 sugardave: I had to reselect mine the first time after OTA, but since then it automatically connects Dec 29 18:50:30 whats OTA? Dec 29 18:50:32 bitshifter1001: mine keeps not connecting after reboot Dec 29 18:50:35 PITA Dec 29 18:50:47 BoBoYsDaDDa: over the air Dec 29 18:50:48 much better. Thank you. Is this a temp issue? I'd did still want to 'fix' preware and package manager service. Is that normal now? Dec 29 18:51:13 WTF, why is OTA such a PITA, IMHO we should just BBIAB Dec 29 18:51:19 k, nm Dec 29 18:51:24 * Mousey stfu's Dec 29 18:53:34 !bomb mousey Dec 29 18:54:00 error in upstart daemon for ipkgservice: unable to read: Invalid argument Dec 29 18:54:03 normal? Dec 29 18:54:23 sugardave: where do you see that message? Dec 29 18:54:29 /var/log/messages Dec 29 18:54:45 ok just doctored to 1.3.1 what do i need to do before updating Dec 29 18:55:28 sugardave: ah, I don't have that message Dec 29 18:55:33 bummer for me Dec 29 18:55:57 sugardave: did you get that message on reboot ? Dec 29 18:56:13 or jave restart ? Dec 29 18:56:24 reboot Dec 29 18:56:25 sugardave: I rebooted and my WIFI did NOT reconnect Dec 29 18:56:57 bitshifter1001: nifty :S Dec 29 18:57:27 jacques: that was a reboot after a fresh install of JUST the package manager Dec 29 18:57:50 morning peeps Dec 29 18:58:02 ok, I finally got this patch to install and work on the emulator but for some reason it will not install on my actual pre... Dec 29 18:58:19 whoa...and now package manager is showing up as an application Dec 29 18:58:20 that's new Dec 29 18:58:35 sugardave that wasn't supposed to happen Dec 29 18:58:44 it will show in the launcher when it is first installed, restart luna and it will go away Dec 29 18:58:48 survey says... Dec 29 18:58:48 argh. I really need roam-only control back. :-( Dec 29 18:58:59 you need to restart luna anyway to get the package manager service running Dec 29 18:58:59 does anyone else have a problem with patches not showing up in preware? Dec 29 18:59:03 * sugardave reboots again....just to be sure Dec 29 18:59:11 38 patches removed success1 Dec 29 18:59:22 I can see installed apps as an option but just not the patches feed. Dec 29 18:59:24 * BoBoYsDaDDa slaps mousey with a bricked pre Dec 29 18:59:25 very strange Dec 29 18:59:28 ^_^ Dec 29 18:59:38 sugardave: rebooting might be your problem Dec 29 18:59:56 * Mousey runs emr Dec 29 19:00:04 zsoc: why would that be a problem? Dec 29 19:00:06 my friends computer just turned off while he was docotring lol Dec 29 19:00:12 ouch Dec 29 19:00:15 wow Dec 29 19:00:29 * BoBoYsDaDDa points and laughs at zsoc's friend Dec 29 19:00:36 good thing there is the bootloader recovery method Dec 29 19:00:43 (vol up + insert battery) Dec 29 19:00:51 sugardave: because it's not tested/recommended imo Dec 29 19:01:13 zsoc: that seems....odd.... Dec 29 19:01:24 I have now looked at every file installed by the ipkgservice package, and nothing looks obviously wrong Dec 29 19:01:29 * Mousey checks for updates Dec 29 19:01:31 sugardave: &21 Dec 29 19:01:46 * BoBoYsDaDDa awaits webos update 1.35.1 to fix everything Dec 29 19:01:53 sugardave: are you a windows user? Dec 29 19:02:04 zsoc: on this laptop I am Dec 29 19:02:22 DOH, I think I figured out why my patch wasn't installing on my pre... darn spaces in the filename Dec 29 19:02:34 zsoc makes me feel like a dirty whore because i use windows Dec 29 19:02:37 zsoc: I figured maybe something was not starting the package manager properly after install...so I thought I'd let the OS handle it on a reboot Dec 29 19:02:44 ha ha, windows users Dec 29 19:02:56 i laugh at you ALL Dec 29 19:03:14 * Mousey laughs Dec 29 19:03:19 i've tried linux many times but then i get confused cause i can't get it to do one damn thing so i tell it to fuck off and reformat it back to windows Dec 29 19:03:35 so.. ignorance is your excuse?! Dec 29 19:04:18 no linux irc channells where the only form of help is "did u google it" is my excuse. fuck everyone who only gives that an answer Dec 29 19:04:41 soooo, you didn't google it? Dec 29 19:04:45 * Mousey ^_^ Dec 29 19:05:19 i spent 2 weeks trying to get it to do what i wanted and kept coming in with the same damn question posting links to everything i read because they kept saying "did u google it?" and still couldn't get an answer out of them Dec 29 19:05:24 now I can't seem to hit my device over wifi...wtf? Dec 29 19:05:32 BoBoYsDaDDa: shoulda asked me ^_^ Dec 29 19:05:46 this was before i had a pre and before i knew about this channel Dec 29 19:05:52 BoBoYsDaDDa: I don't remember ever directly talking to you about.. anything? Dec 29 19:06:09 wasn't this channel zsoc Dec 29 19:06:20 now we're all dying to ask if you google'd it ^_^ Dec 29 19:06:37 lets see i was in #ubuntu #linux #xbmc #mythtv #opengl Dec 29 19:06:45 aah, #mythtv Dec 29 19:06:51 that's always an adventure Dec 29 19:06:55 and several others all had the same few assholes in there asking the same damn question Dec 29 19:06:59 surprisingly no #boxee Dec 29 19:07:10 i was only fucking with mythtv because i couldn't get xbmc to do what i wanted. Dec 29 19:07:18 i didn't even like mythtv i wanted xbmc Dec 29 19:07:20 BoBoYsDaDDa: I generally don't regular any of those channels. Dec 29 19:07:36 nor do I know much about mythtv Dec 29 19:07:37 BoBoYsDaDDa: well check out boxee, when it finally reaches an ubuntu/debian repo Dec 29 19:07:53 who knows if it'll be what you want either tho Dec 29 19:07:54 mythtv can be a beast Dec 29 19:07:58 yes it can Dec 29 19:07:59 but now my ps3 does exactly what i wanted out of an htpc well almost everything but close enough for me to be happy Dec 29 19:08:21 and you get netflix Dec 29 19:08:23 lucky bastard Dec 29 19:08:39 and all i was trying to do was get xbmc to run in the proper aspect ratio for my tv when playing fullscreen video Dec 29 19:09:04 and yes my graphics card supported it. its just linux and nvidia is a bitch Dec 29 19:10:00 damn webos doctor i'm going to have to redo my launch bar again i hate rearranging that thing Dec 29 19:10:56 your ps3 connects to myth? Dec 29 19:11:06 no Bmyers Dec 29 19:11:20 maybe if i linuxed it Dec 29 19:11:20 sugardave: anyway, rebooting isn't a terrible idea. it's just generally unnecessary in my opinion and makes it difficult to troubleshoot. does it work now? Dec 29 19:11:31 wait, let me come back to my desk, i was about to run out and buy one if it did Dec 29 19:11:37 still waiting on it to load my palm profile Dec 29 19:11:45 zsoc: no...still telling me that package manager isn't running, when in fact it is Dec 29 19:12:28 Bmyers it is possible to install linux on a ps3 and after which you may be able to get mythtv up and running but i haven't looked into it. nor do i want to toy with my ps3 i'm happy the way it is. prolly the one thing in my house that won't get modded or hacked Dec 29 19:12:30 it must not like your version of package mgr Dec 29 19:12:41 Bmyers: it's brand spanking new Dec 29 19:13:02 sugardave i had an issue with package manager had to reinstall it through wosqi and then it worked properly Dec 29 19:13:07 right but are not the two version different? Dec 29 19:13:20 the one that comes with and the preware one? Dec 29 19:13:29 BoBoYsDaDDa: yep, I've re-installed it multiple times....about to have to give up and doctor it....dammit Dec 29 19:13:33 so when is a new ver of preware coming that will update to the fixed package manager service Dec 29 19:13:48 sugardave just do it. its the in thing to do after this update Dec 29 19:13:55 awesome Dec 29 19:14:04 * sugardave looks for HDD space. Dec 29 19:14:08 * BoBoYsDaDDa gives sugardave peer pressure Dec 29 19:14:12 you need it working asap so u can test my app Dec 29 19:14:17 but there's no 1.3.5 doctor yet, is there? Dec 29 19:14:21 so why do I see some ppl complaining about getting a message saying "package manager service is not running" yet I never get this message? (and my package manager service is not running) Dec 29 19:14:22 Bmyers: hehe Dec 29 19:14:25 no sugardave Dec 29 19:14:40 lol jacques Dec 29 19:14:48 that is funning Dec 29 19:14:53 that is funny Dec 29 19:14:54 jacques: well, I'm guessing it's running Dec 29 19:15:01 according to messages it is Dec 29 19:15:08 sugardave: ps says it's not Dec 29 19:15:14 cool, just for grins, I manually installed terminal (the service and app) including creating the ipkg files by hand Dec 29 19:15:16 sugardave has experience with this one. Dec 29 19:16:04 anyone else having issues with the phone radio turning off and on a few times after luna starts up? Dec 29 19:16:09 hmmm..actually...what would the process/daemon name be? Dec 29 19:16:10 basically the same except /media/cryptofs/apps instead of /var and you can't make symlinks in the vfat-based cryptofs Dec 29 19:16:12 destinal-->>showoff Dec 29 19:16:13 sugardave: did egaudet_work give you any suggestions? Dec 29 19:16:22 zsoc: nothing beyond what I've done already Dec 29 19:16:37 sugardave: I am told it would be: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 19:17:23 jacques: is that a 'permanent' process or one that only gets launched when it's needed? Dec 29 19:18:06 holy ball sack how long does it take to restore my palm profile Dec 29 19:18:11 sugardave: my understanding is "permanent" Dec 29 19:18:25 ah, yeah, mine is there in the giant java process Dec 29 19:18:32 hey remember when 121 installed itself over and over? wouldnt THAT be fun again with 135.. Dec 29 19:18:51 sugardave: rwhitby told me that java one doesn't count Dec 29 19:18:55 sugardave: what is the output of 'start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice' Dec 29 19:19:04 jacques: okay then...mine is NOT running after all Dec 29 19:19:09 sugardave: I expect ipkgservice would be like this irc service: root 1079 1 0 Dec28 ? 00:00:00 /var/usr/bin/us.ryanhope.wircd Dec 29 19:19:44 zsoc: final line is 'main process terminated with status 1' Dec 29 19:20:16 stupid phone is about to start cutting into my gym time Dec 29 19:20:50 zsoc: my output is http://pastebin.com/m5e2fd6a0 Dec 29 19:21:29 that looks right Dec 29 19:21:46 I really don't know the answer to this, and rod is sleeping :p Dec 29 19:22:17 jacques: the service not running error is given to you in preware? Dec 29 19:22:20 zsoc: my full one is this: http://pastebin.com/d35081b3c Dec 29 19:22:24 zsoc: yep Dec 29 19:22:27 zsoc: looks right in that the service should be running after that? what about the "stopping" parts? Dec 29 19:22:36 what does dmesg says when it kills the ipkservice? Dec 29 19:22:39 or /var/log/messages Dec 29 19:22:40 ? Dec 29 19:22:41 zsoc: no, I get no error in preware Dec 29 19:23:23 sugardave: yes that output has an anomoly, jacqs output is what is expected Dec 29 19:23:34 en0x: how would I check dmesg output when trying to start the service? Dec 29 19:23:52 open a second terminal window Dec 29 19:23:54 gee Dec 29 19:23:56 sugardave: you can tail it after Dec 29 19:24:12 in one terminal do start ...ipkgservice... Dec 29 19:24:16 in second do Dec 29 19:24:22 tail -f /var/log/messages Dec 29 19:24:29 oh, yeah, been doing that Dec 29 19:24:42 and what did it say there? Dec 29 19:24:51 did u tried to run ipkservice by hand? Dec 29 19:24:55 en0x: here is relevant from my /var/log/messages: http://pastebin.com/m3ea2bf5 Dec 29 19:25:01 error in upstart daemon for ipkgservice: unable to read: Invalid argument Dec 29 19:25:35 are we in agreement that I should see an ipkgservice process in a ps list? Dec 29 19:26:09 * sugardave was unaware that dmesg just uses /var/log/messages. Dec 29 19:26:29 can someone with working ipkgservice do a "ps -efwww | grep -i ipkg" ? Dec 29 19:26:34 sugardave, dmesg and messages is a little different Dec 29 19:26:35 :) Dec 29 19:26:43 welcome to linux SD: Dec 29 19:26:49 they are different enough to trip one up Dec 29 19:26:57 en0x: okay, so how do you do an interactive dmesg? like I tail -f messages Dec 29 19:27:11 there is no interactive dmesg Dec 29 19:27:11 ;P Dec 29 19:27:14 suck Dec 29 19:27:21 dmesg is a rung buffer Dec 29 19:27:28 ring buffer Dec 29 19:27:33 it keeps all the info in ram Dec 29 19:27:43 maintained by the kernel Dec 29 19:28:16 Yeah, dmesg is in RAM. I wish it were like on old Sun systems where it's nonvolatile. So when a system goes to hell, you can see what happened on the next boot Dec 29 19:28:20 I would really appreciate the output of "ps" command above Dec 29 19:28:33 i think its time to do laundry Dec 29 19:28:38 okay, then when I start ipkgservice by hand NOTHING gets put in dmesg Dec 29 19:28:54 sugardave: but in /var/log/messages ? Dec 29 19:28:58 but it works? Dec 29 19:29:01 jacques: the output is large because of java Dec 29 19:29:06 sugardave, if u start it by hand does it work Dec 29 19:29:07 hey all, question for yah: I repartioned my phone for improved app storage a few months ago, and need to change it back: is there a better way than just backing up all my data and WebOS doctoring? Dec 29 19:29:09 ? Dec 29 19:29:12 My ipkgservice is working as far as I know Dec 29 19:29:18 sugardave: can you try prodding ipkgservice with luna send Dec 29 19:29:20 This is the output: http://pastebin.ca/1731002 Dec 29 19:29:22 flare576, no Dec 29 19:29:25 Robi_: can you pastebin.com it please? Dec 29 19:29:34 Zorin: thanks Dec 29 19:29:38 en0x thanks dude :) Dec 29 19:29:51 jacques: Zorin did it here http://pastebin.ca/1731002 Dec 29 19:30:21 This is on a fresh reboot; I restarted to turn off dev mode for the moment. Dec 29 19:30:30 zsoc: I can, if I knew how :D Dec 29 19:30:31 OK that's strange. rwhitby told me there should be a process listed other than the java one. Dec 29 19:30:43 right Dec 29 19:30:45 sugardave: one sec, I can't paste Dec 29 19:30:46 but there isn't in that output nor mine Dec 29 19:30:55 * Robi_ thinks some of these bits java loads could be trimmed Dec 29 19:30:55 These java command lines are getting long enough that it's going to start making sense to put them in files. Dec 29 19:31:28 :/usr/lib/luna/java/org.webosinternals.gstservice.jar:/usr/lib/luna/java/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.jar: Dec 29 19:31:55 sugardave: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' Dec 29 19:32:05 no wonder some of the java stuff is slow, it's all limited to 10M Dec 29 19:32:35 phone is finally done restoring backup now rebooting Dec 29 19:32:39 zsoc: I get "** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true}" Dec 29 19:32:54 whats the url for the updated ipkgservice in testing repo so I can wget it Dec 29 19:32:55 now what should i do before updating to 1.3.5 so it doesn't get all fuckerd up again Dec 29 19:32:59 jacques: what's wrong with your preware again? Dec 29 19:33:05 zsoc: I got the same output as jacques Dec 29 19:33:37 sugardave: try opening preware now Dec 29 19:34:12 oaky, wtf? it's working now? Dec 29 19:34:22 zsoc: last night it was not installing packages. and then the feeds got all messed up, and rwhitby and I started debugging it and I'm 99.9% sure he told me there needed to be a ipkgservice process running, so I assumed that was the problem Dec 29 19:34:51 zsoc: my error has gone away...have I just not been waiting long enough for the service to finish starting? Dec 29 19:34:56 its getting started by java Dec 29 19:34:58 it's possible that I don't have a problem... but difficult to say because I am in a bad sprint coverage area... Dec 29 19:35:05 ipkgservice is a java service not c Dec 29 19:35:23 sugardave: yep. rod knows why that happens. it's a 1 in 1000 thing but I'm not sure why Dec 29 19:35:28 so u won't see standalone process of ipkgservice Dec 29 19:35:29 dead air Dec 29 19:35:38 sugardave: no, that luna send status check actually _fixes_ it Dec 29 19:35:38 zsoc: alright, I feel a LITTLE better now Dec 29 19:35:52 sup zsoc Dec 29 19:35:52 maybe I should go outside and try to install something ... but it's cold and about to rain ... Dec 29 19:36:10 zsoc: thanks for that, then :D Dec 29 19:36:22 jacques: do you see all the feeds? Dec 29 19:36:28 or just some. Dec 29 19:36:46 jacques: wifi? Dec 29 19:36:49 jauderho_: I need to walk outside to get data coverage. I will let you know Dec 29 19:36:49 I have a ? on preware Dec 29 19:36:52 sugardave: that luna-send shouldn't be needed if you rebooted and it ran the event.d script for ipkgservice Dec 29 19:36:54 no wiki here at work Dec 29 19:37:00 s/wiki/wifi/ Dec 29 19:37:02 jacques meant: no wifi here at work Dec 29 19:37:05 if you reboot and it stops working again it could be that that startup script isn't working Dec 29 19:37:10 destinal: for my next trick I'm going to see if a reboot works Dec 29 19:37:20 biab Dec 29 19:37:31 why does it say fixing 171 errors ? Dec 29 19:37:39 DrFunk: ? hi? Dec 29 19:38:03 basically java doesn't start it automatically, and a normal service call won't start it either, but luna-send will Dec 29 19:38:14 sugardave: reboot will break it again Dec 29 19:38:15 the workaround we currently have is that event.d script for startup Dec 29 19:38:18 DrFunk: thats the prethemer feed Dec 29 19:38:30 DrFunk: turn off prethemer feed Dec 29 19:38:36 zsoc: oh, bummer....any idea what needs to be fixed in the startup script? Dec 29 19:38:47 brb one sec Dec 29 19:38:56 I shut off the theme feeds; I don't theme the phone and Preware starts up LOADS faster without them. Dec 29 19:39:09 destinal: ah, well I think it doesn't work with event.d...that's where I get my invalid argument, I think Dec 29 19:39:14 sugardave: destinal is the guy in the know. try to debug the location/function of your event.d script Dec 29 19:39:28 ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep ipkg Dec 29 19:39:30 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.26 - Package Manager Service Dec 29 19:39:33 sugardave: what doesn't work with event.d? Dec 29 19:39:41 destinal: ipkgservice Dec 29 19:40:02 Zorin: nod, same here Dec 29 19:40:14 it does for me -- I installed the latest from the command line just a few minutes ago Dec 29 19:40:26 on a fresh 1.3.5 Dec 29 19:40:31 okay, maybe I'm missing something...let's see what this reboot does Dec 29 19:40:37 Zorin: 0.9.26? I only see 0.9.25 Dec 29 19:40:41 destinal: it gives him an 'invalid argument' error Dec 29 19:40:50 is chaning to event.d a manual process I need to perform or did it get rolled in a newer version? Dec 29 19:40:58 * Mousey pushes the Install Now button Dec 29 19:40:58 there is a rare case where the ipkgservice is being started and then immediately mysteriously stopped Dec 29 19:41:00 wee!! ^_^ Dec 29 19:41:12 jacques has it, someone else had it yesterday and sugardave has it Dec 29 19:41:36 sugardave: it shouldn't have changed Dec 29 19:42:10 I wish I could reproduce it Dec 29 19:42:19 ah Dec 29 19:42:26 maybe your event.d script didn't get updated Dec 29 19:42:27 ok bitshifter1001 now I get 15 errors is that normal ? Dec 29 19:42:28 destinal: yeah, reboot broke me Dec 29 19:42:35 destinal: that's a possibility Dec 29 19:42:49 sugardave: open /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Dec 29 19:43:03 in less or pull it down and view it Dec 29 19:43:07 I'm on 0.9.25, that's the latest and no updates showing avail Dec 29 19:43:32 Zorin: that's fine from the main feed Dec 29 19:43:34 destinal: k, in vi looking at it Dec 29 19:43:39 do you have a: APPS=/media/cryptofs/apps Dec 29 19:43:44 OK, so I guess I'm an idiot Dec 29 19:43:50 DrFunk: sounds about right... as long as preware fixes them all Dec 29 19:43:50 OH I BET HE DOESNT Dec 29 19:43:51 sugardave: near the top? Dec 29 19:43:51 ok i have a question. did everyoen who is having packagemanagerservice problems update through preware??? Dec 29 19:43:55 Zorin: sorry, that was intended for Robi_ Dec 29 19:44:03 destinal: yep, it's there Dec 29 19:44:06 nothing to see here, move along Dec 29 19:44:13 ? Dec 29 19:44:33 jauderho_: that's fine from the main feed Dec 29 19:44:39 preware seems to be working fine for me now Dec 29 19:44:49 you see the patches feed too? Dec 29 19:44:51 it's in an if block Dec 29 19:44:58 * Robi_ is not sure he wants to upgrade just yet Dec 29 19:44:59 let me see if that filesystem exists Dec 29 19:45:21 it's there, too Dec 29 19:45:29 the upgrade itself is fine, it's just that preware is wonky Dec 29 19:45:33 sugardave: it does or preware wouldn't work Dec 29 19:45:48 I love how nice and empty /var is now. No more worries; it was starting to get over 95% full before. Dec 29 19:45:54 sugardave: try copying the contents of the script block to a new script and run it Dec 29 19:46:16 yay 50%! Dec 29 19:46:19 anyone else have pdfviewer left in /var/usr/palm/applications? it's the only app left behind for me. Dec 29 19:46:49 jauderho_: I have a ton of stuff in there still. Dec 29 19:47:00 jauderho_: do ipkg -o /var list_installed Dec 29 19:47:10 did you ever have pdf-viewer-extract-app installed? Dec 29 19:47:27 But I think they are just directories left behind because they contain very little data, and ipkg -o /var list_installed shows nothing. Dec 29 19:47:28 egaudet_work: no did not have it installed Dec 29 19:47:37 destinal: it hates that: first error is operation not permitted on symlink create /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/arch.conf Dec 29 19:47:38 wasn't there a copyright issue with the pdf viewer... Dec 29 19:47:40 I am reoot Dec 29 19:47:40 root Dec 29 19:47:55 sugardave: run it with sh -x Dec 29 19:48:02 and pastebin the output Dec 29 19:48:12 egaudet_work: looks like 3 things listed. diffstat, ipkgservice and patch Dec 29 19:48:29 from running ipkg -o /var list_installed Dec 29 19:48:54 destinal: http://webos.pastebin.com/d537926ed Dec 29 19:49:35 jauderho_: you can probably ipkg -o /var remove them all if you want. I thought ipkgservice was supposed to remove itself when installed into new app dir, but don't remember Dec 29 19:49:59 the pdf view is probably left over emptyiness Dec 29 19:50:06 it's not empty Dec 29 19:50:10 that's the strange thing Dec 29 19:50:32 alright running emh and in 1 hour updating phone Dec 29 19:50:44 sugardave: who's trying to symlink? Dec 29 19:50:51 sugardve. filesystem rw? Dec 29 19:50:51 jauderho_: I also have the pdfviewer left in /var...only thing left there. Dec 29 19:51:02 ohhhhh Dec 29 19:51:05 egaudet_work: the startup script for ipkservice Dec 29 19:51:06 it's moving a symlink Dec 29 19:51:06 sugardave: ls -al /var/etc/ipkg/arch.conf Dec 29 19:51:07 aha Dec 29 19:51:07 By the way, I was just reminded of an issue. Is Terminal still maintained? It would be nice if curved corners could be turned off for this app. It hasn't been touched in ages so I'm not sure it's still an active project. Dec 29 19:51:09 we've cracked it Dec 29 19:51:19 yeah, vfat can't hold symlinks Dec 29 19:51:27 I was just confirming that was what the file was Dec 29 19:51:27 Wiz1999: thanks. glad I'm not crazy and the only one Dec 29 19:51:37 zorin the remove curves patch should work for that Dec 29 19:51:45 destinal: it's there Dec 29 19:51:47 egaudet_work: it looks like there is no pdfviewer in /media/cryptofs/app Dec 29 19:51:51 not sure i like the curves and don't use terminal Dec 29 19:51:53 sugardave: is it definitely a symlink? Dec 29 19:51:55 so I doubt removing that is a good idea Dec 29 19:51:59 sugardave: if so, what is it linking to? Dec 29 19:52:03 jauderho_: yea I don't know what it is with the pdf viewer, it's always been special Dec 29 19:52:14 destinal: ah, yeah...links to /etc/ipkg/arch.conf Dec 29 19:52:15 as an aside, I have ipkgservice in both /var/ and /media Dec 29 19:52:21 the app runs fine when it only existed as a .tar.gz in /var/usr/palm/appliactions Dec 29 19:52:41 but you could also extract it and patch it Dec 29 19:52:46 sugardave: try rm /var/etc/ipkg/arch.conf; cp /etc/ipkg/arch.conf /var/etc/ipkg/arch.conf Dec 29 19:52:54 0.9.24.3 in /var/usr/palm/applications and 0.9.25 in /media/cryptofs/app Dec 29 19:53:13 egaudet_work do you have an ETA on virtual keyboard for 1.3.5? I'm holding off on updating :P Dec 29 19:53:38 destinal: okay, full file in place...want me to run the test script again? Dec 29 19:54:01 sugardave: yeah but fix your line 47 error, something must have happened in your copy Dec 29 19:54:11 destinal: okay, will re-do Dec 29 19:54:20 hmmm...I thought Rod said that the re-installation of diff stat and gnu patch as part of the first patch install on 1.3.5 would remove the old copies... Dec 29 19:54:26 so the upstart needs to be changed to cp -L and then rm the /var stuff Dec 29 19:54:27 I just cp'd the original upstart script to the test script and deleted a few lines Dec 29 19:54:28 ipkg still shows them installed in /var Dec 29 19:54:45 Wiz1999: ipkg -o /var list_installed does? Dec 29 19:54:49 yup Dec 29 19:54:54 hckyplayer024: hopefully tonight Dec 29 19:55:03 egaudet_work: my question is why is that symlink there 1 in 1000 times? Dec 29 19:55:12 I haven't looked at the framework yet so I can't say if it will be seamless or hard Dec 29 19:55:29 egaudet_work Do you think it will include autocorrect or is that for later Dec 29 19:55:29 also shows the flashlight and file services Dec 29 19:55:32 zsoc: no idea but might be an artifact of older installs Dec 29 19:55:40 zsoc: there were manual instructions that had you make a symlink Dec 29 19:55:40 rod will remember the path of implementation Dec 29 19:56:08 destinal: ah. damn those people using fancy cli instructions ;) Dec 29 19:56:16 well rod will be happy to read this Dec 29 19:56:25 hckyplayer024: well first I'll simply get it working, then I gotta get AUPT out, then I'm going back to do a lot more dev on the vkb including autocorrect etc... Dec 29 19:56:49 awesome, thanks! Dec 29 19:57:35 geist: ping Dec 29 19:57:41 wth? Dec 29 19:57:51 egaudet_work: Should I not see diff statt and gnu patch still installed according to ipkg in /var? Dec 29 19:57:56 there is a /media/crypto/app and a /media/crytofs/apps Dec 29 19:57:58 I don't see any directories for them... Dec 29 19:58:06 did someone fat finger a script Dec 29 19:58:24 Wiz1999: let me take a look hold on Dec 29 19:58:29 Thanks. Dec 29 19:58:32 destinal: script appears to have completed this time Dec 29 19:58:58 Wiz1999: yea it's expected Dec 29 19:59:03 try a reboot and see if preware works? Dec 29 19:59:17 OK I am back inside. preware seems to be working perfectly for me now. Dec 29 19:59:19 hmmm. Dec 29 19:59:22 Zorin: I suppose I'm the maintainer for terminal, but mostly slacking ;) do you know what has to be done for square corners? Dec 29 19:59:23 egaudet_work: expected that I do see them? Dec 29 19:59:25 Wiz1999: I removed diffstat and patch from /var and installed to /crytofs Dec 29 19:59:33 preware now runs, but lots of installs are failing :( Dec 29 19:59:35 I want to change ipkgservice/preware to handle all app migrations so that we can move everything but I gotta talk to Rod about it Dec 29 19:59:40 jacques: u suck =) Dec 29 19:59:42 ok Dec 29 19:59:42 sugardave: yup try reboot Dec 29 19:59:45 geist: you got some informations about the license issue with the wifi and bridgedriver for the Palm Pre? Dec 29 19:59:55 I still cant see feeds Dec 29 19:59:59 I need to find some way of blaming this on rwhitby. Dec 29 20:00:04 okay Dec 29 20:00:04 the patch feed that is Dec 29 20:00:09 * sugardave crosses fingers. Dec 29 20:00:19 * jtrucks tests with app not patch Dec 29 20:00:22 jauderho_: did you update feeds? Dec 29 20:00:32 yupe Dec 29 20:00:35 multiple times Dec 29 20:00:38 whats in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf Dec 29 20:00:41 I see about 400 apps Dec 29 20:01:02 okay, app works, patch doesnt Dec 29 20:01:09 egaudet_work: src/gz webos-patches http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.3.5 Dec 29 20:01:18 jauderho sounds like u have the same problem i had. are u getting stuck at the install and it won't load the confirm script window? Dec 29 20:01:41 BoBoYsDaDDa: nope Dec 29 20:01:52 I don't see the patches feed available. Dec 29 20:01:55 at all Dec 29 20:01:58 * BoBoYsDaDDa walks away Dec 29 20:02:12 * BoBoYsDaDDa hands it back off to the guru's Dec 29 20:02:21 jauderho_: manage feeds Dec 29 20:02:26 OH. requirement/dependencies issues... Dec 29 20:02:27 yes? Dec 29 20:02:34 egaudet_work: it's turned on Dec 29 20:02:34 do you see it set to yes? Dec 29 20:02:36 hmmm...interesting...seems my wifi is auto-connecting now Dec 29 20:02:38 err on Dec 29 20:02:39 yea Dec 29 20:02:39 that's very strange Dec 29 20:02:44 i even tried setting it to off Dec 29 20:02:51 and back to on again Dec 29 20:02:53 jauderho_: try manually doing ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update Dec 29 20:02:58 I did Dec 29 20:03:06 do you see it being read? Dec 29 20:03:06 destinal: genius! it's working after reboot now Dec 29 20:03:10 yes Dec 29 20:03:16 I see the feed being pulled down Dec 29 20:03:26 thanks everyone, no doctoring, yay! Dec 29 20:03:26 but for whatever reason, preware is not showing it Dec 29 20:03:48 where are you looking for it in preware? Dec 29 20:03:56 I only see "available apps" and "installed apps" Dec 29 20:04:10 I updated to ipkgservice 0.9.25 and even got the advanced phone menu patch installed (roam-only mode FTW) Dec 29 20:04:12 there is usually a patches link in the landing page Dec 29 20:04:31 I do not have that anymore Dec 29 20:04:49 all I have now are the two apps links and "list of everything" Dec 29 20:04:53 jauderho_: available pacakges and installed packages you mean Dec 29 20:04:58 yes Dec 29 20:04:59 not apps Dec 29 20:05:03 click available packages Dec 29 20:05:06 and then you see all your types Dec 29 20:05:08 including patch Dec 29 20:05:18 jauderho click show available themes in preferences and make sure patches is selected Dec 29 20:05:26 sorry feeds not themes Dec 29 20:05:30 doh Dec 29 20:05:35 *facepalm* Dec 29 20:05:39 jauderho_: the default main scene was changed, but you never saw it until now because your database was always maintained Dec 29 20:05:41 main scene show available types ? Dec 29 20:05:48 egaudet_work: when did that change? Dec 29 20:05:51 yeah Dec 29 20:06:06 a little bit ago jauderho_ but the database always saved your old preferences of having the otehr main scene Dec 29 20:06:09 egaudet_work: what do you mean by it was always maintained. Dec 29 20:06:15 ah Dec 29 20:06:32 but yes, I like this new main scene best because it doens't hide anything Dec 29 20:06:37 update feeds again and should be all good Dec 29 20:06:42 yay Dec 29 20:07:01 now I can try applying patches. thanks egaudet_work. I thought I was going crazy Dec 29 20:07:16 np, patch away :P Dec 29 20:07:39 once I warm up, I'm going outside to apply a few more patches Dec 29 20:07:51 zsoc: does Jason come in here? Dec 29 20:07:57 *phew* long time no see! Dec 29 20:08:07 elpollodiablo: rarely Dec 29 20:08:20 awesome. Dec 29 20:08:29 ok so precentral is probably the best way to get ahold of him? Dec 29 20:08:32 just tried a patch and it showed up in the expected location Dec 29 20:09:00 so sugardave jauderho_ and I are all good now ? Dec 29 20:09:12 BoBoYsDaDDa: so what problem are you having again? Dec 29 20:09:24 jacques: I am Dec 29 20:09:25 sugardave: awesome Dec 29 20:09:28 elpollodiablo: yes or gmail Dec 29 20:09:32 i am. so far Dec 29 20:09:48 sugardave said he's back up and running Dec 29 20:09:58 nice work guys Dec 29 20:10:10 zsoc: I dont have he gmail so I will try precentral thanks Dec 29 20:10:27 Bmyers: he helped us find a nice bug actually Dec 29 20:10:50 sugardave and jauderho_ me too! Dec 29 20:10:51 i think i'm done with problems i had an issue with confirm script not loading when trying to install or remove patches then i fixed that. then i had an issue of epr not removing everything so i doctored and now i installed packagemanager service preware lunamanager and terminal then ran the emh and now waiting on phone to dl the update to 1.3.5 and then start patching the phone all over again Dec 29 20:11:39 BoBoYsDaDDa: oh. well that seems like you should be fixed at least :) Dec 29 20:11:52 hopefully Dec 29 20:12:02 don't worry i'll be crying later if it screws up again Dec 29 20:12:16 every update is a learning experience Dec 29 20:12:23 zsoc: i did? Dec 29 20:12:46 Bmyers: dave Dec 29 20:12:51 o HE did.. Dec 29 20:12:57 nodnod Dec 29 20:12:58 yes... nice bug it was.. Dec 29 20:13:20 the sym link on a vfat? Dec 29 20:15:03 okay, so I should remove diffstat and install it again, right? (If I'm skimming/reading scrollback correctly) Dec 29 20:15:46 jtrucks: remove it from /var and reinstall to /media/cryptofs Dec 29 20:15:57 okay thanks. Dec 29 20:16:09 so do ipkg -o /var remove Dec 29 20:16:12 there was a lot that happened in here while I was in a meeting :P Dec 29 20:16:22 and I just installed again via preware Dec 29 20:16:26 so with them pulling apps out onto the thumbdrive where users can axx them does that mean this is the start of people hacking the apps out and releaseing them all over the internet? Dec 29 20:16:31 just got my patches installed and rebooting now. Dec 29 20:16:38 lesse if they work nice Dec 29 20:16:53 jauderho_: rebooting or restarting luna? Dec 29 20:17:24 BTW if anyone uses 1Password and sticks a copy on /media/internal, be sure to stick it on a hidden . dir or the photos app will pick up strange pix Dec 29 20:17:37 BoBoYsDaDDa: The visible data on the USB drive part is encrypted. Dec 29 20:17:37 jacques: I like to reboot after installing patches Dec 29 20:17:44 Poking around in what's left in /var...seems like a cleanup script of some time is needed. There seems to be a lot of stuff from preware still left over in here. Dec 29 20:17:47 makes sure everything went through nicely Dec 29 20:17:55 Wiz1999: try EMH Dec 29 20:18:14 but its visible someone will probobly try Dec 29 20:18:19 No apps...just other stuff...does EMH move other things? Dec 29 20:18:47 Lots of stuff still left in places like /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists Dec 29 20:18:57 Yes, you can still get to the data if you know how, but it seems Palm is taking a very "keeping the honest people honest" stance on security. They understand that all security *will* be hacked, and that by not being paranoid f**ks (*cough*Apple*cough*) they will create goodwill in the dev community. So far it's working I think. Dec 29 20:19:10 I know if anyone asks how to pirate apps here they will be kicked to the moon. Dec 29 20:19:42 That's my theory anyway; feel free to disagree. :) Dec 29 20:19:54 putting the apps in /media/internal or in /var doesn't change the ease of getting the app to "hack and release all over the internet" Dec 29 20:20:54 Wiz1999: EMH doesn't move anything Dec 29 20:21:09 It just places the empty app json, right? Dec 29 20:21:16 yea Dec 29 20:21:24 to avoid breaking palm's app migration Dec 29 20:21:36 hmm Dec 29 20:21:40 PREWARE BOKEN!! Dec 29 20:22:05 * Mousey cries Dec 29 20:22:13 Yay!!! I get a "no longer signed into Palm Profile" error and I have to doctor again.... Dec 29 20:22:58 :( Dec 29 20:23:04 Community has been good about getting things fixed quickly to avoid having to doctor. I'm impressed. Dec 29 20:23:12 all of the packages like patch and diffstat will have leftover stuff in /var until we address these Dec 29 20:23:32 Though some people on precentral were so impatient to wait for a fix they doctored right away. *eyeroll* Dec 29 20:23:57 some of us had other things go wrong too... Dec 29 20:24:14 I just realized I might need to update WOSQI Dec 29 20:24:23 and for some, doctoring isn't a big deal. not that much to reconfigure afterwords Dec 29 20:24:42 jtrucks latest is 2.96 as far as i know Dec 29 20:24:49 jtrucks: Are you the WOSQI maintainer? Dec 29 20:24:50 Yeah I guess if someone just got their phone last week :) Dec 29 20:25:09 I wish people would stop rebooting their phone all the time. Dec 29 20:25:09 Shiggity: no. I meant I might need to update my copy I'm using. Dec 29 20:25:10 is the 1.3.5 doctor released? Dec 29 20:25:18 no Abyssul Dec 29 20:25:46 zsoc: why? Dec 29 20:26:03 I hate to say the i-word, but my Pre actually scrolls as smooth as an iPhone now in most views. Me happy. Dec 29 20:26:30 Zorin: I've noticed a massive change with how things "flow". I'm loving it. Dec 29 20:26:35 having hardly every touched an iPhad, I wouldn't know the difference Dec 29 20:28:15 So, does anyone know why I'm getting an error about the Dropbear SSH deamon failing when trying to install optware? Dec 29 20:28:31 I thought we moved to using openssh Dec 29 20:28:41 Luna needs turbo. Dec 29 20:28:50 I'm still on the initial dropbear install I did in June :) Dec 29 20:28:51 umm? Dec 29 20:28:52 zsoc: what would you have them do instead? Dec 29 20:29:57 bitshifter1001: there are very few situations one ever needs to restart their phone. java services are restartable. C services are restartable (albeit manually), and luna is restartable, each individually, and take much less time. Dec 29 20:31:08 I prefer with any computer system to not reboot unless really neccessary Dec 29 20:31:15 so you want normal folks to start and stop services manually rather than just hitting a button and waiting a few more seconds? Dec 29 20:31:19 +zsoc: thanks Dec 29 20:31:56 the pre isn't a server, and you don't really get geek points for uptime. Dec 29 20:31:57 LurkerXXX___: It's a few *minutes* to restart my phone. Dec 29 20:32:26 there are buttons for restarting java and luna :P Dec 29 20:32:31 When the Pre starts getting slow (usually after a few days) I reboot it before going to sleep. Hopefully 1.3.5 fixed whatever causes it to go slow after a few days Dec 29 20:32:34 LurkerXXX___: hah. I could care less about uptime. in fact, longer uptimes on servers usually means they aren't patched correctly :P) Dec 29 20:32:43 true Dec 29 20:32:55 LurkerXXX___: it's more than a few seconds. and 2/3s of those things are doable through Luna Manager Dec 29 20:32:57 egaudet_work: where are those buttons? Dec 29 20:33:03 luna manager app Dec 29 20:33:08 hahaha Dec 29 20:33:10 ok Dec 29 20:33:40 I don't have that installed, I guess its time to get that one Dec 29 20:33:48 with a new WOSQI should I reinstall novacom? Dec 29 20:33:59 but I love the command line :) Dec 29 20:34:11 bitshifter1001: I don't on a thumb keyboard :) Dec 29 20:34:38 jtrucks: yea, I see your point Dec 29 20:35:28 every time I trim my nails I have to relearn how to type on it :) Dec 29 20:35:35 haha Dec 29 20:35:42 novacom should't need to be reinstalled Dec 29 20:35:44 don't trim them :) Dec 29 20:36:14 I swear everytime I reboot something else is messed up. My launcher has no icons! Dec 29 20:36:23 * Zorin types on his Palm Pre from across the room after not trimming fingernails for a while. Dec 29 20:36:59 lol Wiz1999 Dec 29 20:37:04 what patch did that? Dec 29 20:37:24 hmmm. Dec 29 20:37:40 Zorin: hahaha Dec 29 20:37:43 hmmm. Dec 29 20:37:59 egaudet_work; Was cleaning up everything installed in /var. Had just the flashlight service left. So I removing it with ipkg and reinstalled with WOSQI. After doing that the flashlight was not working, so I rebooted. Dec 29 20:38:01 WOSQI sure is taking a LOT longer than usual to obtain the repo lists. Dec 29 20:38:06 Now the launcher is empty. Dec 29 20:38:16 Wiz1999: 'oops' Dec 29 20:38:40 don't suppose any has tried the old flashlight service with 1.3.5 installed in /media/cryptofs? Dec 29 20:38:45 did you run the flaslight services' prerm? Dec 29 20:38:57 I would volunteer to fix up that thing if I knew anything about the services. Dec 29 20:39:10 Guess I get to restart luna again. Dec 29 20:39:26 can someone remind me how to do that from the CL? Dec 29 20:39:43 do what/ Dec 29 20:39:48 restart luna Dec 29 20:39:49 restart luna Dec 29 20:39:49 Wiz, my flashlight worked after my update to 1.3.5 Dec 29 20:39:51 Am I the only one who didn't have preware break? Dec 29 20:39:59 LarrySteeze: yes. :) Dec 29 20:40:01 stop LunaSysMgr; start LunaSysMgr Dec 29 20:40:08 LarrySteeze: mine did too until I removed the service and reinstalled it. Dec 29 20:40:27 egaudet_work: Thanks. WOSQI told me it was running the prerm... Dec 29 20:40:34 not sure what it did. Dec 29 20:41:00 I didn't remove anything Dec 29 20:41:19 after I installed 1.3.5, it allowed me to update the service...but it never stopped working Dec 29 20:41:39 I didn't use the EPR either Dec 29 20:41:46 nice Dec 29 20:41:48 Mine never stopped working...I was trying to move it from /var to /media/cryptofs to clean up /var. Dec 29 20:41:49 i just manually removed each patch individually Dec 29 20:42:04 Now it stopped working I guess ;) Dec 29 20:42:07 that's what I did. Dec 29 20:42:15 I just had to restart for preware to work. Dec 29 20:42:15 OMFG this update takes forever to install Dec 29 20:42:17 I trust that more than I trust yet another app to remove things Dec 29 20:42:23 except patches Dec 29 20:42:24 it appears LunaSysMgr is using less RAM now, cool. Dec 29 20:42:39 I started the update install and went to sleep./ Dec 29 20:43:09 overall it is much more responsive with 1.3.5 Dec 29 20:43:35 but after all this talk of people bricking their devices, I'm tempted to just write a program like Jason's that takes an image of the device and makes a iso-like file Dec 29 20:43:42 BoBoYsDaDDa: yeah, it's incredibly slow Dec 29 20:43:57 that way you could just back up your device every once in a while Dec 29 20:44:10 wow Dec 29 20:44:11 no doctor necessary Dec 29 20:44:17 Maybe rsync the partitions on the pre to a directory on your linux box :) Dec 29 20:44:17 google maps sure loads a lot faster now Dec 29 20:44:21 LarrySteeze: that would be great Dec 29 20:44:34 Zorin: that'd be easy enough to do as a scheduled service. Dec 29 20:44:40 *shrug* to be honest, I don't know why nobody has done it yet Dec 29 20:44:42 I just tarball everything up regularly and back it up to my pc Dec 29 20:44:43 I didn't have anything break, but that's because I doctored 1.3.1 and updated Dec 29 20:45:26 destinal thats what i'm doing now Dec 29 20:45:27 destinal! Dec 29 20:45:29 and i hat it Dec 29 20:45:34 hate even Dec 29 20:45:36 it's been what...5 months? lol Dec 29 20:46:03 anyways, I'm at work, so I should really log off Dec 29 20:46:12 Well...my launcher has the icons back, but the flashlight still does not work. bummer. Dec 29 20:46:22 have a good one everyone...see you in another 5 or on the forums :-P Dec 29 20:46:41 LarrySteeze: heh, yeah, it's been a while Dec 29 20:46:43 LarrySteeze: cya Dec 29 20:46:48 www.palm.com/ROM first screen Dec 29 20:46:53 WTF i just doctored god dammit Dec 29 20:47:24 you have got to be shitting me Dec 29 20:48:05 rofl Dec 29 20:48:49 fucking piece of shit goddamn mother fucker Dec 29 20:49:13 Not cool Dec 29 20:49:19 is there a page that consolidates all the things that can be done to fix preware? The forums are not exactly easy to navigate, especially with all the traffic on there now Dec 29 20:49:59 dBsooner: is it possible to have both the current version of the Wrap Pages patch and the old one that scrolled in PreWare? I think the old one may scroll better now, and I liked the effect. Dec 29 20:50:02 Uninstall with webOSQI and then reinstall Dec 29 20:50:02 ok so doctor and then installing packagemanager service preware lunamanager and then running EMH is bad before update Dec 29 20:50:16 this time i'm not touching shit i'm just going to update the damn thing Dec 29 20:50:19 zoe uninstall and reinstall Dec 29 20:50:38 BoBoYsDaDDa throw it out the window Dec 29 20:50:43 be a lot easier Dec 29 20:50:48 mobgod: thats it? It seemed like there was a lot more panic than that :/ Dec 29 20:50:57 no i don't have the money to go get the hero Dec 29 20:51:02 morning Dec 29 20:51:03 zoe there was but thats all u need to do Dec 29 20:51:10 rwhitby g'day Dec 29 20:51:14 bw rwhitby Dec 29 20:51:18 morning Dec 29 20:51:21 s/bw/wb/ Dec 29 20:51:22 jacques meant: wb rwhitby Dec 29 20:51:26 jacques: anything need fixing? Dec 29 20:51:30 fuckin A i'm going to go smoke Dec 29 20:51:35 rwhitby: yea the upstart script Dec 29 20:51:35 rwhitby: I'm all good now. Dec 29 20:51:38 rwhitby can i have a new phone Dec 29 20:51:39 rwhitby yea BoBoYsDaDDa phone Dec 29 20:51:43 lol Dec 29 20:51:46 change the mv to cp -L Dec 29 20:51:49 gonna smoke bbiaf Dec 29 20:52:07 egaudet_work: ah, mvapp? Dec 29 20:52:18 because the service not starting problem seems to be from trying to move a sym link from /var/etc/ipkg/* Dec 29 20:52:19 rwhitby: why are you awake. Dec 29 20:52:25 rwhitby: I was chasing a snipe thinking ther should be a ipkgservice process not counting the java one. my ipkgservice is working fine. Dec 29 20:52:32 at least there was one such case (sugardave). I assume mvapp will also cause issues with app migration Dec 29 20:52:43 egaudet_work: why would there be a symlink in there? Dec 29 20:52:51 old instructions? Dec 29 20:52:59 he had arch.conf as a symlink Dec 29 20:53:10 egaudet_work: ok, so very isolated cases. Dec 29 20:53:11 * jtrucks is happily reinstalling patches now. Dec 29 20:53:32 egaudet_work: anyone who updated preware in the last two months would have lost that symlink Dec 29 20:53:34 rwhitby: yea i haven't heard of any mass ipkgservice failures Dec 29 20:53:44 this was a good exercise for me Dec 29 20:53:51 not sure how jacques fixed his Dec 29 20:54:13 I think the preware bootstrap probably fixedd it, I just didn't know it Dec 29 20:54:43 ok, so nothing that need fixing asap then? Dec 29 20:54:51 rwhitby: not that I know of :-D Dec 29 20:55:11 rwhitby: have a nice leisurely breakfast Dec 29 20:55:29 infobot: spell leisurely Dec 29 20:55:31 'leisurely' may be spelled correctly Dec 29 20:55:40 may? Dec 29 20:55:53 lol Dec 29 20:56:02 i have to get something done today Dec 29 20:56:05 bbl all Dec 29 20:56:06 nice posting on precentral Dec 29 20:56:08 ~slap infobot Dec 29 20:56:09 * infobot slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Dec 29 20:56:16 Trying to figure out why my reinstalled flashlight service is not working...can anyone provide some insight? http://webos.pastebin.com/d234e20df Dec 29 20:56:41 Wiz1999: it won't have been updated for 1.3.5 - all services needed to be Dec 29 20:56:51 hmmm...it worked before I resintalled it. Dec 29 20:57:14 so if its already installed, it just comes along for the ride, but newly installed don't work? Dec 29 20:57:35 that reminds me, I have wirc service 0.4 installed but preware shows me a newer version 0.6 but as a new package, not an update Dec 29 20:58:17 do I need to uninstall wirc before upgrading it ? should I ? Dec 29 20:58:53 back Dec 29 20:59:05 can't get preware working after upgrade =( Dec 29 20:59:15 jacques: in preware installed pacakges you see wircD? Dec 29 20:59:32 Mousey: an error is fine too Dec 29 20:59:38 ? Dec 29 20:59:55 Mousey: maybe if you gave us an error we can help Dec 29 21:00:13 TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined Dec 29 21:00:33 Mousey: did you reinstall the ipkg service? Dec 29 21:00:33 reinstall package manager service Dec 29 21:00:36 this is after uninstall and reinstall (before it was a different property, 'getconfig" or something Dec 29 21:00:37 ok Dec 29 21:01:00 egaudet_work: yes, I see wIRC 0.4 in preware installed packages Dec 29 21:01:13 Not very familiar with services, but I'm poking around in the ipkg for the prelease service...does anyone know what Rod was saying would need to be updated for 1.3.5? Dec 29 21:01:28 zsoc: no, didn't uninstall the ipkg service yet Dec 29 21:01:38 jacques: there's 2 things wIRC and wIRCd Dec 29 21:02:11 wIRCd (service) was probably not migrated Dec 29 21:02:14 wIRC (app) was Dec 29 21:02:18 wIRC (app) latest is 0.4 Dec 29 21:02:24 wIRCd (service) latest is 0.6 Dec 29 21:02:45 egaudet_work: ah. what do I need to do to get my wIRCd service migrated? Dec 29 21:02:52 Mousey: well that will fix it :) Dec 29 21:03:07 * Mousey tries Dec 29 21:03:33 migration is a fancy word for 'move somewhere' :) Dec 29 21:03:41 * cryptk has done everything he can think of to make his phone stop going ohhline every 30 seconds... Dec 29 21:03:50 jacques: you can probably just install it Dec 29 21:04:05 I currently have: root 1079 1 0 Dec28 ? 00:00:00 /var/usr/bin/us.ryanhope.wircd Dec 29 21:04:14 (you'll have an old ipkg data for it probably in /var but shouldn't effect it, you can ipkg -o /var remove it if you would like ) Dec 29 21:04:39 that is the binary service, so it's running, but the ipkg data doesn't see the package as installed Dec 29 21:04:40 oooh, developer mode Dec 29 21:04:41 duh Dec 29 21:04:45 installing it via preware will remove and recopy that binary Dec 29 21:05:01 and you'll have the correct ipkg data in /media/cryptofs/apps for future updates Dec 29 21:05:11 egaudet_work: OK I shall try installing it via preware later today Dec 29 21:05:20 this time so far so good... made it through the first use app and the phone never went offline Dec 29 21:05:26 lets all cross our fingers Dec 29 21:05:31 hmm, it IS on Dec 29 21:05:38 woqi is acting flakey Dec 29 21:05:56 I also have diffstat and patch left in /var/usr/bin/ (in addition to us.ryanhope.wircd) Dec 29 21:06:01 is there a backup procedure that will preserve the links on the contacts? Dec 29 21:08:02 jacques: yep, eventually I hope we'll get preware/ipkgservice to dummy appinfo everything so we can migrate everything, but for now that won't hurt to be reinstalled when you install your first patch it will install them as dependencies to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin Dec 29 21:08:59 fixed! Dec 29 21:09:04 * Mousey thanks zsoc for handholding Dec 29 21:09:36 egaudet_work: diffstat and patch are also in /media/cryptofs/apps//usr/bin/ Dec 29 21:09:38 Mousey: just trying to keep the weight off the guys whose time is actually valuable :> Dec 29 21:09:56 zsoc: yah, know the feeling Dec 29 21:10:29 jacques: so you've already reinstalled them to the new package area, just have old ones laying around in /var which is OK and you can ipkg -o /var remove them if you want Dec 29 21:11:01 egaudet_work: cool. Dec 29 21:11:39 egaudet_work: I'm testing aupt from 131 to 135 on a buddies device. any particular patches or steps you'd like me to try? Dec 29 21:12:03 everything possible :P Dec 29 21:12:26 * zsoc imagines hitting update all with 100 patches Dec 29 21:12:26 zsoc: you get the 0.9.26 service back? Dec 29 21:12:36 egaudet_work: yeah? Dec 29 21:13:15 i will be hitting update all with 101 patches :P Dec 29 21:13:28 lol Dec 29 21:13:51 egaudet_work: is there a faster way to INSTALL them all? Dec 29 21:14:23 like an anti epr Dec 29 21:14:30 epi. Dec 29 21:14:42 something like quilt uses with it's whole series thing Dec 29 21:14:48 I need an emergenct patch installer. QUICK. I NEED ALL THE PATCHES Dec 29 21:15:07 store your series of patches, then one click and install them all in the order you have set Dec 29 21:15:25 ugh this is not working!! lol Dec 29 21:15:27 zsoc: i have a mass patch install script yea Dec 29 21:15:28 (since sometimes the order of installation makes a diff) especially with those device menu patches Dec 29 21:16:21 it just does install for everything in ipkg -o /var list |grep patches Dec 29 21:16:33 i use -force-depends Dec 29 21:16:49 and then i run postinst, and if postinst returns non-zero I ipkg -o /var remove it Dec 29 21:17:12 order of installation should not make a difference Dec 29 21:17:20 cryptk: is there a known example of order making a difference? Dec 29 21:17:23 I have seen where it can Dec 29 21:17:24 yes Dec 29 21:17:33 try installing some patches for the device menu Dec 29 21:17:41 namely install the battery level remove Dec 29 21:17:44 then the brightness Dec 29 21:17:48 then the advanced phone menu Dec 29 21:17:56 everytime I have tried that it fails for me Dec 29 21:18:43 I believe it is because the prior patches shift the line numbers too much (from the extra inserted code) that the numbers refrenced int he .patch file for the adv phone menu no longer line up close enough for the patch to be installed Dec 29 21:18:59 I always have to install my device menu patches from the "bottom up" so to speak Dec 29 21:19:35 SDK is updated to 1.3.5 Dec 29 21:19:39 I would love to get a repeatable case Dec 29 21:19:40 it fails on 1.3.1 to Dec 29 21:19:52 so you can install advanced phone menu then brightness then battery level but not vice versa Dec 29 21:19:58 I think its not compatible Dec 29 21:20:02 yay! Can't get WebOS to doctor... Dec 29 21:20:03 at least on 1.3.1 that was the case Dec 29 21:20:13 havn't tried it on 1.3.5 yet Dec 29 21:20:19 you can mix all off tham Dec 29 21:20:24 *them Dec 29 21:20:40 *cant Dec 29 21:20:44 sorry Dec 29 21:20:54 you can if you install them in the right order Dec 29 21:21:17 but I am working on a new patch to avert that problem... I am calling it my 'Uber Device Menu patch' Dec 29 21:21:23 what's the order? Dec 29 21:21:32 install them from the bottom up Dec 29 21:21:41 hmm Dec 29 21:21:43 advanced phone menu is the one at the bottom of the menu, install it Dec 29 21:21:45 then GPS Dec 29 21:21:51 then keep working your way up Dec 29 21:22:09 but I found that with the no aeroplane mode Dec 29 21:22:12 but I haven't been able to get the date remove and battery level remove in at the same time ever... Dec 29 21:22:25 doesn't worked after that patches Dec 29 21:22:27 I have enver tried the no airplane mode patch Dec 29 21:22:28 :s Dec 29 21:22:28 I just got preware into an interesting state ... Dec 29 21:22:47 I just need to find a repeatable case where I can definitely see patch X -> Y -> Z fail but Z -> Y -> X succeed. I'll try later Dec 29 21:23:01 nt4cats: like nirvana? Dec 29 21:23:08 I was in the middle of installing the "hide Nascar app" patch and I got a phone call. Dec 29 21:23:20 well, I am almost done with my all inclusive patch... Dec 29 21:23:31 brb Dec 29 21:23:33 Now the call is over and preware is telling me "downloading / installing" and it has a spinny, and it has been like this for 4-5 minutes Dec 29 21:23:38 someone needs to just create a preferences pane for the device menu ... Dec 29 21:23:41 I've read in precentral forum that the two are incompatible, don't know why Dec 29 21:24:07 a back-gesture does nothing Dec 29 21:24:19 yay got it to doctor :) Dec 29 21:24:22 About damn time Dec 29 21:24:33 If anyone here is interested I'll be glad to retrieve logs/messages etc. before i kill it Dec 29 21:24:49 I guess its a bad idea to restore a old palmdatabase.db3? Dec 29 21:24:50 nt4cats: have you got conf app yet Dec 29 21:24:54 check what ipkg log says Dec 29 21:24:57 app menu -> ipkg log Dec 29 21:25:01 while it's still spinning Dec 29 21:25:36 ipkg log says ... postinst has two "Hunk #1" messages and then ends in SUCCESS Dec 29 21:25:44 Lock says "nothing interesting" Dec 29 21:26:40 everything above "postinst" looks happy (install, confirm, approve have happy-looking messages), unlock has 'nothing interesting' Dec 29 21:26:59 I am not sure what a "conf app" is Dec 29 21:28:10 nt4cats: so you already tapped ok on confirmation app? Dec 29 21:28:27 restarting luna now to test my "all in one menu" patch Dec 29 21:28:28 confirmation app that asks you about running the script (ok/view/cancel) Dec 29 21:28:30 Oh, sorry -- I am pretty sure I pressed okay Dec 29 21:28:50 ..,. or maybe that app was up when the call came in Dec 29 21:28:54 after I use it for a few days and make sure there are no bugs in it I will work with you guys on getting it in the feed Dec 29 21:28:55 well it seems like it succeeded, don't know why preware still is spinning Dec 29 21:28:55 ... and now it is gone Dec 29 21:29:26 cryptk: what's included? Dec 29 21:29:27 it says "user approced post-install script execution" under "approve" Dec 29 21:29:49 everything from jasons all in one plus the advanced phone menu Dec 29 21:29:50 so... Dec 29 21:29:59 ... and postinst section of log has 2 pairs of "patching file {foo} ... Hunk #1 succeeded Dec 29 21:30:22 ... and postinst ends with an all-caps SUCCESS Dec 29 21:30:23 removes the date, un-dims the battery level, normal wifi and bluetooth stuff, advanced phone menu, adds in GPS, removes airplane mode Dec 29 21:30:28 but it is definitely still spinning Dec 29 21:30:29 cryptk: so... GREAT :) Dec 29 21:30:48 nt4cats: well everything else seems to run fine Dec 29 21:30:52 cryptk: is there any way you can upload it, I would like to test it too Dec 29 21:30:59 SUCCESS is printed at the very last thing of postinst script befure returning Dec 29 21:31:09 so everything should be good if you swipe back Dec 29 21:31:18 egaudet_work: yep -- I am not screaming here for someone to 'fix' this ... I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to collect info while my Pre was in this wacky state Dec 29 21:31:29 It ignores a swipe-back, too Dec 29 21:31:33 I don't think I told you that Dec 29 21:31:35 nice hehe Dec 29 21:31:44 linksocc, glorifiedg, I will attach it to a post on precentral, but realize that it is at your own risk Dec 29 21:31:53 I have not tested it AT ALL, I jsut now installed it Dec 29 21:32:07 its ok i like to test Dec 29 21:32:20 egaudet_work: I would be willing to let you (or certain other trusted people) to ssh into my pre if that'd be a help Dec 29 21:32:57 i don't think there's anything I'd be able to tell. rwhitby or oil may have a better idea of how the spinner could get stuck like that Dec 29 21:33:18 hrm Dec 29 21:33:24 again -- I'm not begging for help here, I just want to give the developers an opportunity to look at a pre that is in a strange state. I am sure an up-swipe or reboot will 'fix' my problem Dec 29 21:33:40 212,454,218 Palm_Mojo_SDK-Win-1.3.5-368-x64.exe Dec 29 21:33:40 34,284,524 Palm_Mojo_SDK-Win-1.3.5-368-x86.exe Dec 29 21:33:45 something there doesn't look right Dec 29 21:34:03 mikewx: the 64-bit one has more bits, duh. Dec 29 21:34:06 lol Dec 29 21:34:07 lol Dec 29 21:34:15 * rwhitby loves this picture: http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Dieter%20Bohn/2009/12/EMH.png Dec 29 21:34:36 wow good job trekkie Dec 29 21:34:55 ... but they felt it necessary to point out that the picture was photoshopped in the article Dec 29 21:35:06 linksocc, glorifiedg, http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2113876#post2113876 Dec 29 21:35:20 just download the .patch file then drag and drop it into WOSQI Dec 29 21:35:22 next big mess we get to use emh2.0? Dec 29 21:35:31 oil / rwhitby: do you want to look at my hung preware before I kill it? Dec 29 21:35:39 make sure to remove all other device menu patches first or it is pretty much guaranteed to fail Dec 29 21:36:09 thanks :) I will test it to on my gsm pre Dec 29 21:36:23 nt4cats: no thanks, the description you gave is good enough. Unless you had dbus-util --capture running beforehand, there's not much we can use for forensics. Dec 29 21:36:38 nt4cats: and thanks for the offer Dec 29 21:36:42 okay, I'll kill it then. Dec 29 21:36:49 rwhitby: d'oh Dec 29 21:36:53 I'm getting rusty. Dec 29 21:36:54 lol relax Dec 29 21:37:50 there is at least one bug in it that I found already... but nothing major... not gonna brick your pre or cause any damage Dec 29 21:38:07 but for some reason I was able to turn the phone off and on once, but now I can't get it to toggle off again... Dec 29 21:39:10 nt4cats: really photoshopped, you mean they didn't wear that badge and hold a palm pre all that time ago when filming voyager? lol Dec 29 21:40:02 if funkatron around? Dec 29 21:40:32 This is an excellent post: http://funkatron.com/site/comments/an-open-source-milestone-spaz-webos-1-0/ Dec 29 21:43:05 bed time Dec 29 21:43:09 later Dec 29 21:43:12 Looks like palm has blocked access to application source on the device Dec 29 21:43:19 finally Dec 29 21:43:37 ? Dec 29 21:43:40 no Dec 29 21:43:51 AM I missing something? Dec 29 21:44:07 maybe you need to use a terminal Dec 29 21:44:49 lol Dec 29 21:44:56 hmmm. Dec 29 21:44:58 disregard Dec 29 21:45:07 its mounted in a dif directory Dec 29 21:45:10 so most patches work quickly and w/o error... Dec 29 21:45:25 -- /etc/init.d/mountall.sh, line 33: Dec 29 21:45:28 # No, I don't want to hardcode this but I am so tired :( Dec 29 21:45:28 # Fix later. Dec 29 21:45:33 lmao Dec 29 21:45:41 however, sometimes it's sitting i the downloading/installing screen forever... and I get impatient, quit preware, rerun preware, and it shows installed. Dec 29 21:45:59 when I try to run prewareinstaller.jar I get an error about not being able to rename to WebOSDoctor,jar Dec 29 21:46:00 ghost packages :( Dec 29 21:46:01 ahHA! Dec 29 21:46:16 jtrucks: well don't do that :P Dec 29 21:46:33 lol Dec 29 21:46:34 it's waiting for me to say it's ok to run the postinstall script.. but I don't have those buttons. Dec 29 21:46:37 any ideas? Dec 29 21:46:47 rwhitby, one thinks dion is watching this chan Dec 29 21:46:50 CTLAdvance: access to app source is status quo - can't get it via USB, but can get it via Linux access. Dec 29 21:46:57 he just retweeted that same link. Dec 29 21:46:58 does anyone know why this is happening or how to fix it so I can install preware Dec 29 21:47:06 freakout: Why? Dec 29 21:47:18 jtrucks: for all your patches? Dec 29 21:47:19 this is an install to the emulator Dec 29 21:47:29 egaudet_work: looking that way, yeah Dec 29 21:47:49 I can use WOSQI to do it, and it asks me, and then it installs it... but via preware I get no prompt Dec 29 21:47:57 jtrucks: I'd try to reinstall ipkgservice, maybe the confirmation app got messed up somehow Dec 29 21:48:03 k. thanks. Dec 29 21:48:45 restarting luna, then I'll reinstall ipkgservice Dec 29 21:49:13 are temp profiles neeeded when doctoring your phone still? backups not working across different webos versions question? Dec 29 21:49:53 anyone have WebOS Doctor 1.3.1 for my GSM Pre? I need to update it plz plz Dec 29 21:50:11 rwhitby: why would preware not show me ipkgservice needs to be updated when I put the testing feed in and disabled the regular feed Dec 29 21:50:46 meCka: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Dec 29 21:50:55 egaudet_work: dunno Dec 29 21:52:02 +destinal i only see 1.2.5 for Telcel GSM Pre. I have a Movistar Pre from spain Dec 29 21:52:11 egaudet_work: hmmm. looks like I have .9.24, and need .9.25.... Dec 29 21:52:12 rwhitby - yeah same, was wondering how they were storing it on dsk, but its just as easy as before Dec 29 21:52:35 Does preware need to be installed/rebuilt for 1.3.5? Dec 29 21:53:01 meCka: check your version in device info , are you running "World Ready"? Dec 29 21:53:17 rwhitby: testing feed packages file says ipkgservice 0.9.26 is 0.9.25 Dec 29 21:53:19 that's probably why Dec 29 21:53:29 +destinal: what does that mean? Dec 29 21:53:46 meCka: there's an app, called "device info" Dec 29 21:53:52 comes on the pre Dec 29 21:54:17 +destinal: yes it says World Ready Dec 29 21:54:25 hmmm Dec 29 21:54:31 what does a partial erase actually erase? Dec 29 21:54:32 ok, then your phone uses the one that says O2 Germany, UK and Ireland Dec 29 21:54:39 is there something I need to do for making WOSQI DL the new lists? Dec 29 21:54:43 note the -wr.jar on the end? Dec 29 21:54:49 that's world ready release Dec 29 21:54:55 jacques: ping Dec 29 21:55:13 I'm going to be dialing into the PalmCast today. Dec 29 21:55:17 +destinal: what happens if its not world ready? Dec 29 21:55:21 alkos333: hi Dec 29 21:55:21 (audio only) Dec 29 21:55:40 meCka: your device info app says it is, so it is. Dec 29 21:55:57 +destinal: yeah but my second pre doesnt say that. Dec 29 21:55:58 palmcast? Dec 29 21:56:06 hmm, I wonder why there isn't a 64-bit linux SDK Dec 29 21:56:07 meCka: what does your second pre say? Dec 29 21:56:16 jtrucks: http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live Dec 29 21:56:23 +destinal: can i use sprints 1.3.1 since im in the US? Dec 29 21:56:33 ooooh Dec 29 21:56:47 meCka: Actually I'm told that GSM people can use the Sprint one just fine Dec 29 21:56:51 It starts 3 hours from now Dec 29 21:57:04 basically any of those images work on all devices, sometimes with minor issues Dec 29 21:57:19 +destinal: ok, great. Ill be able to manually enter the APN settings ? Dec 29 21:57:21 like I used the world ready on my Sprint pre and the only thing odd was it didn't sync time with sprint Dec 29 21:58:23 meCka: well, if you use the world ready it should already have your APN info I would think. not sure about the Sprint one, then you may have to edit things, but I don't know how you would do that -- I don't think there's an app for that yet, is there? Dec 29 21:58:52 rwhitby: when get a chance can you fix test feed ipkgservice to be 26 Dec 29 21:58:56 +destinal: nope theres no app yet. Dec 29 21:58:59 Once upon a time people posted on the forums about editing the database to change APN info Dec 29 21:59:09 I've never done it personally Dec 29 21:59:09 +destinal: how about bypassing the activating screen? Dec 29 21:59:27 egaudet_work: had to remove that, cause people using the preware bootstrap were saying yes to test feed and getting that by mistake Dec 29 21:59:28 egaudet_work: isnt it already? Dec 29 21:59:51 grrr Dec 29 21:59:53 meCka: if you don't have one of the supported providers, use meta-doctor to bypass activation long enough to turn on wifi and log into a profile Dec 29 22:00:27 hmmm. so how do I update the ipkgservice if WOSQI never gets a list of apps by the feed? Dec 29 22:00:31 +destinal: is it hard to mmeta-doctor? im on a windows pc Dec 29 22:00:38 rwhitby: weirdly my ipkgservice thinks its at 26 but i havent done it myself Dec 29 22:00:51 egaudet_work: I'll do a .27 later today which combines both Dec 29 22:01:13 k i'll wait for .27 to update all patches Dec 29 22:01:15 meCka: a little tricky, but you can use WUBI or cygwin, see this wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Dec 29 22:01:31 really hope aupt gives mea successful run with no errors today Dec 29 22:01:47 meCka: or vmware and ubuntu] Dec 29 22:01:47 hmmm Dec 29 22:02:03 why would preware be in my WOSQI Device management installed apps twice? Dec 29 22:02:29 jtrucks: does WOSQI check both /var and /media/cryptofs/apps ? Dec 29 22:02:40 because 99% chance it is installed in both places Dec 29 22:02:45 ahhh. good question Dec 29 22:03:11 +destinal: under "using cygwin" i click on "fter you have installed these packages, you can follow the Linux instructions" link and it gives me an error Dec 29 22:03:28 now if only I could get WOSQI to get the feeds to load Dec 29 22:03:28 rwhitby: any problems with me upgrading EMH to include all these other packages that don't have app dirs? Dec 29 22:03:52 meCka: odd, that link is a mistake Dec 29 22:04:01 meCka: what it means is the stuff at the top of the page under step 1 Dec 29 22:04:02 Step 1: Setting up Meta-Doctor Dec 29 22:04:09 does git.webos-internals.org not work anymore? Dec 29 22:04:22 I can't get to it. Dec 29 22:04:43 egaudet_work: go for it Dec 29 22:04:55 When I try to install "Unthrottle download manager" patch, I get the pop-up about Package Manager Service (which I OK), but Preware just hangs up saying Download / Installing Dec 29 22:05:08 ird: working here Dec 29 22:05:19 Seems odd to get that pop-up at all Dec 29 22:06:30 +destinal: so i have to go to step one after i install cygwin? so everytime i doctor my phone i have to use meta-doctor to bypass it? Dec 29 22:06:32 Stuff never works when I need to use it. Dec 29 22:06:37 rwhitby: Just sent you $10 via Paypal! Dec 29 22:06:38 afternoon folks Dec 29 22:07:27 meCka: well, when you metadoctor you can keep the doctor image it makes and use it as many times as you want, but to do another for a new version later, yeah. hopefully you don't need to doctor THAT often Dec 29 22:08:12 anyone know how to get the palm db to sync phone numbers back to google contacts? Dec 29 22:08:32 +destinal: were is the image it makes stored? Dec 29 22:08:39 Robi_: from an old palmos device? Dec 29 22:09:04 no in webos Dec 29 22:09:05 +destinal: by new version u mean webOS right? Dec 29 22:09:07 hmmm Dec 29 22:09:24 it should just sync if you have that phone number set as part of the google profile. Dec 29 22:09:26 meCka: yeah, and again, if you doctor to an older version, it'll just update OTA to a newer Dec 29 22:09:43 meCka: yes, webOS versions Dec 29 22:09:48 egaudet_work: sanity check please http://webos.pastebin.com/d22427e7b Dec 29 22:09:56 jtrucks: well its not part of the goog profile Dec 29 22:10:07 it's part of the palm one but the contacts are linked Dec 29 22:10:12 +destinal: ok. great. Dec 29 22:10:25 * jtrucks is trying filecoaster to get ipkgservice and preware working correctly. Dec 29 22:10:31 jtrucks: it won't work Dec 29 22:10:40 fileCoaster is not able to install advanced homebrew. Dec 29 22:10:45 rwhitby: you should cp -L /var/etc/ipkg/* $APPS/etc/ipkg/ && rm -rf /var/etc/ipkg so that you don't remove it regardless of a failure to copy Dec 29 22:10:51 +destinal: can i use meta-doctor to flash to sprints 1.2.1 if my device already has 1.2.1 but not from sprint? Dec 29 22:11:24 destinal: actually I want to remove it regardless Dec 29 22:11:28 Robi_: AFAIK you have to copy/paste to a new number under the google profile Dec 29 22:11:51 rwhitby: ah, better to lose a feed or something than hang up the whole migration? Dec 29 22:11:56 destinal: yep Dec 29 22:12:25 rwhitby: looks good (assuming no dirs in there) Dec 29 22:12:43 you could cp -Lr Dec 29 22:12:47 or rL Dec 29 22:12:59 yea, and I like the && because if the cp fails, the upstart will fail and the ipkgservice not started anyway Dec 29 22:13:12 rwhitby: hmm... bummer. I can't figure out why WOSQI can't load the feed lists, and ipkgservice was hosed up. Dec 29 22:13:14 but then again, nm i get it Dec 29 22:13:22 this way max of 1 fail Dec 29 22:13:28 egaudet_work: rwhitby makes a good point, /var/etc/ipkg is somewhat expendable, Dec 29 22:13:46 yea Dec 29 22:13:47 destinal: should be no subdirs, and if there is we don't want to copy them Dec 29 22:14:30 two restarts later the patch installed Dec 29 22:16:38 I think I'm going to write up both removing cryptofs and adding it to the emulator which apparently doesn't have it (could be handy for testing things) Dec 29 22:17:18 ok, 0.9.27 is now in testing. Dec 29 22:18:00 destinal: your emu doesn't have that folder? Dec 29 22:18:31 AnOutsider: I haven't grabbed the new SDK yet but the scripts state the emu doesn't have it Dec 29 22:18:49 hmm, the one I've got does Dec 29 22:18:53 i need help installing preware Dec 29 22:18:57 that's how I got themes ready Dec 29 22:19:08 rdh2007: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Dec 29 22:19:39 bah Dec 29 22:19:43 can't find testing feeds Dec 29 22:19:46 halp Dec 29 22:20:10 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.27_all.ipk Dec 29 22:20:18 rwhitby: i'll see if preware picks it up Dec 29 22:20:39 i supose I can do the 1.3.5 upgrade too Dec 29 22:21:39 eek Dec 29 22:21:45 just spinning loading pkg info Dec 29 22:22:25 0.9.27 just worked for me updating from testing feed. pushing to public Dec 29 22:22:52 restart di it Dec 29 22:23:22 er preware restart. Dec 29 22:24:33 man I want a list of all my 130 patches/pkgs installed before I EPR it Dec 29 22:24:55 Robi_: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Dec 29 22:25:05 (for 1.3.1 that is) Dec 29 22:25:11 nod Dec 29 22:25:12 installed org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.27_all.ipk and manually installed preware 0.9.12 from ipk file. Dec 29 22:25:20 now running preware to see if things are working Dec 29 22:25:26 is this or is there a Preware help chan Dec 29 22:25:50 jtrucks: did you run the postinst correctly, using IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT? Dec 29 22:25:58 Smoken: try in here Dec 29 22:26:13 hm that's only 29 patches Dec 29 22:26:27 rwhitby: WOSQI asked if I want to run the postinst script, and I said yes. Dec 29 22:26:29 rest are all apps? wow Dec 29 22:26:36 jtrucks: good Dec 29 22:27:07 when downloading preware can i go to tools and connect to emulator only? Dec 29 22:27:33 rdh2007: if you want to install it on the emulator, yes. Dec 29 22:28:05 rwhitby: so what happens to all the apps we moved to the data partition to make room? Dec 29 22:28:23 hmmm Dec 29 22:28:24 Robi_: see the mvapp thread for instructions Dec 29 22:28:26 we making a tool to move that to the new cryptfs ? Dec 29 22:28:33 my daughter updated her pre without uninstalling patches or themes . I uninstalled and reinstalled Preware so that works again but the theme she had will not show up when it is reinstalled Dec 29 22:28:45 rwhitby: i tried downloading by just clicking install preware but it says that it has stopped working Dec 29 22:28:53 so I now get the popup asking if I want to run scripts, but I've noticed that some supposedly installed patches aren't, so I tried to remove, and it err'd out. Dec 29 22:29:07 now it's rebooting itself Dec 29 22:29:17 * jtrucks waits Dec 29 22:30:07 i may have to use WOSQI to remove the patches, eh? Dec 29 22:30:10 then try again. Dec 29 22:30:29 EPR Dec 29 22:30:35 good idea Dec 29 22:30:42 when it finishes booting :P Dec 29 22:30:48 in a couple years Dec 29 22:30:49 :) Dec 29 22:30:55 lol Dec 29 22:30:59 alright bbl Dec 29 22:32:01 So were LED notifications uncommented in 1.3.5? Dec 29 22:32:22 Flashpass: no Dec 29 22:32:43 Flashpass: they will be forever commented :P Dec 29 22:32:44 Oh, guess that patch stuck around after the update :/ Dec 29 22:33:22 yo Dec 29 22:33:31 uhoh Dec 29 22:33:38 seems to be taking longer than normal to reboot Dec 29 22:33:41 any ideas Dec 29 22:34:22 besides doctoring? Dec 29 22:34:30 dBsooner: ping Dec 29 22:34:33 jtrucks www.palm.com/ROM is your next screen Dec 29 22:34:41 welcome to my hell Dec 29 22:35:07 hmm, is novacomd something that can be run on a macintosh? Dec 29 22:35:19 well i'm off to the gym l8r all Dec 29 22:35:20 I doctored and then OTA udpated and there wasn't anything wrong with my device, it was just easy and somewhat failproof Dec 29 22:35:23 Mousey: yes Dec 29 22:35:50 en0x_wirc: thanks Dec 29 22:37:16 well, it was hung, so I yanked the battery and it's now booting, I hope Dec 29 22:37:27 palm screen, so far so good Dec 29 22:38:23 BoBoYsDaDDa: I already updated last night, so I'm hoping this wasn't a total failure like that Dec 29 22:39:54 ooooh it just beeped at me. Dec 29 22:39:58 that's good. Dec 29 22:40:02 * rwhitby bbl Dec 29 22:40:09 * jtrucks waves to rwhitby Dec 29 22:40:28 * jtrucks does a happydance Dec 29 22:40:30 it booted! Dec 29 22:47:01 okay, I think I have it back to nominal functionality. Dec 29 22:47:08 later folks and thanks everyone for help all day! Dec 29 22:47:10 * tyler_wylie wants a WebOS Doctor for Linux :( Dec 29 22:48:09 mvapp b done, now EMH Dec 29 22:48:32 saved list of all insalled patches to /media/internal Dec 29 22:48:46 Anyone have an idea why my Contacts app is showing both in the launcher and launcher bar? Is that new in 1.3.5? Dec 29 22:48:47 when you run EMH, it should saw "Please state the nature of the emergency" Dec 29 22:49:01 hehe Dec 29 22:49:14 yeah should be the motto Dec 29 22:49:15 "Twenty borg about to blast through that door!" "This isn't part of my programming! I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" Dec 29 22:51:00 time for a diversion Dec 29 22:52:28 ok time to do the upgrade Dec 29 22:53:39 oh no, forgot to EPR Dec 29 22:53:47 whats the CLI for EPR? Dec 29 22:55:09 Oooo, high-frequency accelerometer events in the 1.3.5 SDK Dec 29 22:55:38 more freq! Dec 29 22:55:44 From 4 to 30 Dec 29 22:56:04 nicew Dec 29 22:56:07 finally Dec 29 22:57:33 they will need that for NFS Dec 29 22:57:49 (the game, not the filesystem) Dec 29 22:58:08 Good thinking Dec 29 22:58:35 any responsive gaming Dec 29 22:58:46 but yeah Need For Speed series is pretty good Dec 29 22:58:54 Not Shift Dec 29 22:59:02 NFS shift sucked Dec 29 22:59:14 and for the mod which allows us to switch cards by shaking the pre Dec 29 22:59:16 was that the nissan only one? Dec 29 22:59:26 No Dec 29 22:59:36 NFS shift was a hell of a lot better than undercover/pro street/carbon Dec 29 23:00:02 It was more traditional, but I hate playing that game. Dec 29 23:00:07 I like Hot Pursuit 2 Dec 29 23:00:14 I still play it lol Dec 29 23:00:18 Oh yeah, well that is a classic Dec 29 23:00:38 Shift is poorly setup on the PC too. Dec 29 23:00:42 Never tried console Dec 29 23:00:54 NFS demo for [i think undecover] on the 360 made me mad Dec 29 23:01:00 works fine with my wheel Dec 29 23:01:32 the tree/wall around the shortcut would always catch the car Dec 29 23:03:34 Hi... any goss on when 1.3.5 arrives for non Sprint? Dec 29 23:04:02 WIthin the next week usually Dec 29 23:04:19 cool. Dec 29 23:04:30 Hrm, my traffic view in Maps doesn't seem to work anymore either :/ Dec 29 23:05:02 Is that just me, or a known issue? Dec 29 23:07:32 sup Dec 29 23:07:39 anyone know how I can find out what /usr/sbin/powerd is thinking? I am seeing this in messages: "POWERD-SUSPEND: IdleCheck can't sleep because because an activity is active:" and I want to know what it means (which activity? what's an activity?) Dec 29 23:12:10 Traffic display is working here (Miami, FL) as it should Dec 29 23:13:36 hmm, maybe charging is an "activity" as far as powerd is concerned Dec 29 23:14:01 It is; the Pre doesn't sleep when charging. Dec 29 23:14:18 ok Dec 29 23:14:25 I've been looking at logs and noticing that there's a lot more verbosity in nearly everything, too. Dec 29 23:14:26 I got the boot Dec 29 23:15:20 just want to no since the update seems like the facebook client always ask for the pass now or is it just me ? Dec 29 23:15:51 thanks Zorin Dec 29 23:17:52 anyone have info on this ? Dec 29 23:18:49 drfunk facebook or friendsbook? Dec 29 23:19:04 friendsbook Dec 29 23:19:07 sorry Dec 29 23:19:39 yeah im having the issue on that too Dec 29 23:19:45 facebook works fine..but its pretty featureless Dec 29 23:19:54 ok so its not me Dec 29 23:21:05 Smubeht: so its something that needs to be fixed ? Dec 29 23:21:08 so what does the step 1 mean by "Open terminal from the applications, accessories menu" ? Is that command prompt in Windows? Dec 29 23:21:40 meCka: on the phone terminal app Dec 29 23:22:20 DrFunk: probably. i dunno i didnt make the app lol. Dec 29 23:22:32 meCka: no, it means in X window system on ubuntu. if you're running cygwin you should load the cygwin command prompt instead Dec 29 23:22:48 DrFunk: it is annoying though to login each time, but my battery was dying fast today at work so i didnt use my phone too much Dec 29 23:22:49 or open the WUBI program if you did WUBI Dec 29 23:22:54 anyone else experiencing bad battery life? Dec 29 23:22:59 see all ppl saying battery improved Dec 29 23:23:03 but im seeing the opposite Dec 29 23:23:06 re Dec 29 23:23:09 Smubeht: mine seems to be better Dec 29 23:23:24 Smubeht: battery improves in shittastic coverage areas, some areas in Atlanta my battery just drains Dec 29 23:23:38 Smubeht: here in Champaign though where I have good coverage I haven't noticed a difference Dec 29 23:23:41 +destinal: im gon use cygwin but im confuse on whats next lol Dec 29 23:23:41 Haven't been away from my desk enough since I updated to really no. But overnight (8 hours sitting on a desk unused) it went from 100% to 93% Dec 29 23:23:49 i went from 90% at 7:45 am to 14% by like 3 pm Dec 29 23:24:02 normally by 5 i have 40% left Dec 29 23:24:21 Smubeht: Have you been playing with it? Lots of people complain about battery life on new updates when the reason is because you tend to goof around with it more discovering changes Dec 29 23:24:26 meCka: well, install cygwin, run cygwin, and skip steps 1 and 2 Dec 29 23:24:27 Smubeht: when I had issues like that I just turned on airplane mode, then turn on wifi for data connectivity :( Dec 29 23:24:49 i just turned on data mode from 3-5 lol Dec 29 23:24:53 meCka: and skip step 4 Dec 29 23:25:02 airplane mode* Dec 29 23:25:14 Zorin: not particularly. Pretty much normal usage here Dec 29 23:25:31 only thing though is that i had to doctor my phone yesterday to 1.3.1 after 1.3.5 screwed up my phone first time around Dec 29 23:25:33 Smubeht: the downsides of CDMA, but still beats the pants off GSM Dec 29 23:25:36 Smubeht: using any homebrew services like wIRCd? Dec 29 23:25:38 argh, failure during get configs operation startinf preware Dec 29 23:25:42 +destinal: so i go to step 5 which is intalling java on my windows pc right? Dec 29 23:25:48 PuffTheMagic: nope Dec 29 23:26:01 only thing i had open for extended periods was messaging and email Dec 29 23:26:02 meCka: step 3 first to get the code Dec 29 23:26:19 didnt use browser( i work in front of a computer so no need really while at work) Dec 29 23:26:31 meCka: then yeah, install sun java 6 on windows system and Dec 29 23:26:37 but outside normal usage i downloaded some apps i guess Dec 29 23:26:42 then the rest Dec 29 23:26:45 will see tomorrow Dec 29 23:26:49 if it was a fluke Dec 29 23:27:03 because yeah i probably downloaded like 10-12 apps today Dec 29 23:27:14 lol Dec 29 23:27:20 wonder if the downloading took extra battery away.. Dec 29 23:27:33 if thats the case then tomorrow should have less battery lossage Dec 29 23:27:39 Smubeht: if u did that over evdo then yes Dec 29 23:27:41 Smubeht: in bad coverage conditions it will eat the battery alive, use wifi if possible Dec 29 23:27:45 yeah did it over evdo Dec 29 23:27:53 no wifi at work Dec 29 23:28:04 Smubeht: but I can get in good coverage evdo can be great too Dec 29 23:28:07 meCka: someone should probably make a windows package for metadoctor -- it could even include cygwin and git, make, etc Dec 29 23:28:14 i get good coverage at work signal wise Dec 29 23:28:19 im not fighting for service at work Dec 29 23:28:30 Smubeht: evdo will suck your battery dry Dec 29 23:28:31 +destinal: yeah im so confused i still dont get it lol Dec 29 23:28:45 PuffTheMagic: regardless of coverage? Dec 29 23:28:52 i get good 3g service at work Dec 29 23:28:58 meCka: for now you'll probably have an easier time getting a virtual machine of ubuntu to be honest Dec 29 23:29:05 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 276 armv7l unknown Dec 29 23:29:14 meCka: the going back and forth will be confusing for you doing it the first time Dec 29 23:29:17 Smubeht: just cause u have full bars does not mean there are not a lot of dropped packets and/or transmission errors Dec 29 23:29:43 yup. bars are not signal quality Dec 29 23:29:44 Smubeht: and i really dont know how efficient evdo is compared to wifi Dec 29 23:29:46 only strength Dec 29 23:30:02 +destinal: so what do u recommend? virtual machine? isnt cygwin easier tho? Dec 29 23:30:05 i dont mean service like bars, i usually go by the speed i can browse at..and when i have used the browser at work and such, it goes fast, not as fast as wifi at home, but pretty close, so i figured its pretty good coverage Dec 29 23:30:14 meCka: linux!!! Dec 29 23:30:14 ive seen areas where i get evdo but like it goes slow Dec 29 23:30:20 not the case while at work Dec 29 23:30:38 so i figured it was a strong connection, which ought to use up less battery, but probably just by using it, it eats up battery Dec 29 23:30:41 Smubeht: idk... all i know is evdo will drain your battery Dec 29 23:30:45 its not as efficient as wifi Dec 29 23:30:45 Bars typically tell you RF signal strength, for the most part. You can have five bars and the tower right outside your window and stil have crappy service because it's overloaded. Dec 29 23:30:49 at least the hw Dec 29 23:30:50 +destinal: i wish there was a video itll be way easier lol Dec 29 23:31:06 PuffTheMagic: meCka's running Windows but needs a metadoctor, so has to get some kind of Linux / linux-workalike environment Dec 29 23:31:19 isnt metadoctor java? Dec 29 23:31:39 PuffTheMagic: metadoctor is makefile Dec 29 23:31:50 PuffTheMagic: among other things Dec 29 23:31:52 destinal: guess someone should java-ify it Dec 29 23:32:01 or python-ify it Dec 29 23:32:02 :D Dec 29 23:32:10 yeah Dec 29 23:32:13 or exe it Dec 29 23:32:17 w/ mingw Dec 29 23:32:17 :D Dec 29 23:32:31 back later tonight. Dec 29 23:32:36 so when im doing all this steps the phone has to be connected and on "Just Charde" mode? Dec 29 23:32:54 i think i might make it a python app Dec 29 23:33:03 meCka: actually not really, not until you run the app Dec 29 23:33:04 that would be a good little project to continue learning python with Dec 29 23:33:18 meCka: err not until you run the Doctor you build Dec 29 23:33:27 meCka: install virtualbox, install ubuntu, run metadoctor Dec 29 23:33:30 pretty easy Dec 29 23:33:31 or Dec 29 23:33:35 boot a gentoo live cd Dec 29 23:33:42 run metadoctor Dec 29 23:33:47 reboot back to windows Dec 29 23:33:47 :D Dec 29 23:34:04 or a sysrescucd live cd Dec 29 23:34:36 +PuffTheMagic: yea thats sound good let me see if i can find a gentoo live cd on the net Dec 29 23:35:14 meCka: ubuntu has a liveCD too, and since the instructions use apt, I'd recommend ubuntu Dec 29 23:35:23 actually the ubuntu desktop cd IS a livecd Dec 29 23:35:56 +destinal: can u link me to were i can get the ubuntu live cd? Dec 29 23:36:20 meCka www.ubuntu.org i believe Dec 29 23:36:46 meCka: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Dec 29 23:36:50 meCka sorry .com Dec 29 23:38:01 +destinal: i create my own installation cd? theres 2 diff downloads Dec 29 23:40:45 wtf even after i restorebk preware errors out Dec 29 23:42:04 rwhitby... Dec 29 23:42:09 Technobabble: hi Dec 29 23:42:30 i have good news and strange news Dec 29 23:42:38 +destinal: 6min remaining Dec 29 23:42:39 good news is i got the device back Dec 29 23:42:53 meCka: as far as getting and installing ubuntu you probably will have best luck with #ubuntu Dec 29 23:43:04 my hand writing made it undeliverable, so it sat at my local post office waiting for me to either pick it up, or to be dumped Dec 29 23:43:10 meCka: I develop the meta-doctor in a Ubuntu 9.10 server virtual machine. Dec 29 23:43:28 i forget does the pre by default have 4 or 5 icons in the launcher bar ? Dec 29 23:43:30 the even more interesting news is that now it kinda works Dec 29 23:43:51 Technobabble: interesting Dec 29 23:43:56 touch screen doesn't work, but it boots and the keyboard works Dec 29 23:44:20 you can still have it, but i wanna webdoctor the little F'er Dec 29 23:44:27 Technobabble: go for it Dec 29 23:44:38 but i can't until i get the touch screen workin Dec 29 23:44:42 if at all Dec 29 23:44:58 Technobabble: you can doctor it from recovery mode without a touchscreen, right? Dec 29 23:45:09 not sure, how would i do that Dec 29 23:45:20 Technobabble: use the vol up to get into bootie recovery mode, then webosdoctor with 1.3.1 if you want to keep /media/internal or earlier if you want to blow /media/internal away Dec 29 23:45:41 WebOS doctor 1.3.1+ preserves /media/internal? Dec 29 23:45:46 yep Dec 29 23:45:49 That's good to know, and very useful. Dec 29 23:45:50 you guys should make a meta-doctor .jar file like WOSQI UI. it make things way easier. ill gladly donate $50 Dec 29 23:46:46 meCka: it's open source - anyone can do so. Dec 29 23:46:54 is it 1.3.1+ or 1.3.1-? Dec 29 23:47:19 Technobabble: if you want to wipe it, get earlier than 1.3.1 (1.3.1 and later will preserve it) Dec 29 23:47:19 I've just set up ad blocking on my pre using a transparent squid proxy and an ad blocklist - would it be reasonable add a paragraph on ad blocking to the end of the squid wiki article? Dec 29 23:47:28 k Dec 29 23:47:29 ++++++++++++++++++++++ Dec 29 23:47:33 coles: absolutely Dec 29 23:47:39 any tips on getting precorder to work with the new update? Dec 29 23:47:46 rwhitby: great, thanks Dec 29 23:47:49 +rwhitby yea but u know people these days. would u do it for me if i paypal u $50? Dec 29 23:48:04 meCka: nope, I don't know Java well enough to do that Dec 29 23:48:17 +rwhitby oh ok got it. Dec 29 23:48:21 meCka: get Jason to do one. Dec 29 23:48:24 meCka: you can offer it as a bounty for anyone who wants to do it though Dec 29 23:48:48 +rwhitby: whos Jason? Dec 29 23:49:05 Anyone have an idea why my Contacts app is showing both in the launcher and launcher/dock bar, is that new in 1.3.5? Dec 29 23:49:05 rwhitby: whats 'failure during 'getConfigs' operation' mean ? Dec 29 23:49:13 meCka: http://forums.precentral.net/members/jason-robitaille.html Dec 29 23:49:32 +destinal: ill pay for someone to do it and then put it up on precentral and give credit.. Dec 29 23:49:55 Robi_: it means you didn't reinstall the Package Manager Service? Dec 29 23:50:25 rwhitby: reinstall? i installed .27 Dec 29 23:51:44 i guess it needs a reinstall Dec 29 23:51:54 +destinal: i just sent him a PM, lets seee what he says. Dec 29 23:53:25 Hi Dec 29 23:54:02 anyone there? Dec 29 23:54:16 chris_: no Dec 29 23:54:19 chris_ whats sup Dec 29 23:54:42 pm me if you know how to rip pay apps and make ipk Dec 29 23:54:50 I have a little question concerning the Linux on the palm pre Dec 29 23:55:04 entity-: lol Dec 29 23:55:18 ok... Dec 29 23:55:39 I want to make a folder with mkdir into the /etc file Dec 29 23:55:59 Iam using the novacom tool from SDK Dec 29 23:56:15 it alway says that there are only read permission Dec 29 23:56:35 so.... anyone knows how i can write to this folder? Dec 29 23:56:43 hey man canadians need access somehow Dec 29 23:57:12 So... Dec 29 23:57:22 chris_: you need to remount the root filesystem read-write Dec 29 23:57:30 Robi_: how did you install it? Dec 29 23:57:33 ...why does PreWare tell me that there's an update to PackageManager 0.9.27 to...0.9.27? Dec 29 23:57:35 chris_: it's mounted read-only by default Dec 29 23:57:45 okey thx Dec 29 23:57:53 Is my Pre forked? Dec 29 23:58:10 rwhitby: preware Dec 29 23:58:30 rwhitby: just reinstalled from ssh and it's the same prob Dec 29 23:58:47 Robi_: are you setting IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT correctly? Dec 29 23:58:47 altho it's in offline root more Dec 29 23:58:56 (when you run the postinst) Dec 29 23:59:03 haven't done that yet Dec 29 23:59:13 what should it be? Dec 29 23:59:32 I installed PreWare/PM via WOQI first. They seem to have installed just fine, but PreWare insists that there's an update to PM 0.9.27 Dec 29 23:59:43 Unless WOQI doesn't actually install 0.9.27 Dec 30 00:00:04 rwhitby_: know ur busy but.. just removed preware and PMS 0.9.24 because preware was acting funny on feeds. upgraded to webos 1.3.5 last night. used EMH this morning, all was god. but after remove of Preware and PMS, now phone stuck on palm startup screen after restart. Dec 30 00:00:13 Robi_: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Dec 30 00:00:40 jghacker: any cpu speed hacks installed before or after 1.3.5 ? Dec 30 00:00:41 onetime need only? no need to export then Dec 30 00:00:49 Robi_: one time only Dec 30 00:01:23 rwhitby: no - and no patches. removed patches last night. kept them off until all settled. odd. Dec 30 00:01:58 * rwhitby shamelessly plugs that he is appearing on the PalmCast Live in one hour's time at http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live (I'll be audio only) Dec 30 00:02:05 meCka: mmmm... 50$ to make metadr a jar Dec 30 00:02:11 i could do that in my sleep tonight Dec 30 00:02:20 rwhitby: wait - did have powerscale hack but removed that a few days ago Dec 30 00:02:37 jghacker: probably didn't remove properly - I don't think those ones do Dec 30 00:02:42 +PuffTheMagic yea $50 via paypal w/ options to bypass activation ect ect Dec 30 00:02:56 i think it can already do that Dec 30 00:03:06 its just not cross-platform friendly Dec 30 00:03:23 +PuffTheMagic: u willing to do it? Dec 30 00:03:24 rwhitby: Is webOS QuickInstall reading the webos-internals feed correctly? Dec 30 00:03:28 meCka: you would have to give 1/2 of that to rwhitby for writing the origional metadr in the first place Dec 30 00:03:42 meCka: yeah it should be a piece of cake to write that Dec 30 00:03:48 PuffTheMagic: as long as it's open source in our git repo, you can keep the lot. Dec 30 00:03:49 or else, why would PreWare be telling me I need to update PM? Dec 30 00:03:56 rwhitby: suggestion? all started when I couldn't see PMS 0.9.27.. no matter what. Dec 30 00:04:05 +PuffTheMagic: thats fine $25 to rwhitby and the rest to whoever makes it. Dec 30 00:04:18 meCka: I'll redonate the $25 to whoever does it Dec 30 00:04:27 rwhitby: that did it, gracias Dec 30 00:04:33 (as long as it's open source) Dec 30 00:04:46 man the screen is super bright now, can't turn it down any lower either.. must be a patch Dec 30 00:04:52 lol Dec 30 00:05:10 rwhitby: got a preference of java over python? Dec 30 00:05:17 meCka: ^^ Dec 30 00:05:18 whoever is wiling to do it pm me so i can give u my info Dec 30 00:05:23 finally my damn phone is finally working Dec 30 00:05:28 I probably know enough Java to make changes to a cross-platform, but not enough to write one from scratch without doing a lot of homework first. Dec 30 00:05:37 meCka: just find me tomorrow... i will try and do it tonight Dec 30 00:05:42 PuffTheMagic: whatever works for aunt minnie ;-) Dec 30 00:05:46 if not first thing in the morning Dec 30 00:05:54 rwhitby: java it is Dec 30 00:06:00 +PuffTheMagic k ill be on here all the time so just shoot me a pm Dec 30 00:08:03 rwhitby: any suggestions? Dec 30 00:08:17 rwhitby: im thinking of a "wizard style" for AM, and for expert mode or more global view of the options Dec 30 00:08:20 jghacker: nope, I have no idea what the cpu hacking patches do Dec 30 00:08:22 and a way to save your options Dec 30 00:08:27 and load them up Dec 30 00:08:27 :D Dec 30 00:08:35 PuffTheMagic: sweet Dec 30 00:08:53 rwhitby: thanks. Dec 30 00:09:26 rwhitby: i take it all of the possible "customization options" are in the Makefile... Dec 30 00:10:03 PuffTheMagic: yep. the only additional one is the permanent keyboard type change Dec 30 00:10:05 this will be much easier for all the other peeps on the forums lol Dec 30 00:10:30 but there are two different non-doctor ways of doing that now (they're not permanent, but good enough for between doctors) Dec 30 00:10:32 just like it is with WOQI is with patches, apps, themes hehe Dec 30 00:10:33 rwhitby: we should probably have a spec of some sort for options, incase the are modified in the future and/or new ones added Dec 30 00:10:56 meCka: i've never seen/used WOQI Dec 30 00:11:18 +PuffTheMagic: webOS Quick Install? Dec 30 00:11:35 yeah... i know of it... just never used it, nor do i know what it looks like Dec 30 00:12:14 +PuffTheMagic: need some screenhots? lol Dec 30 00:12:20 nope Dec 30 00:12:38 i know what widgets i have at my disposal if im using java :D Dec 30 00:12:57 java guis couldnt be any easier Dec 30 00:13:13 ... Dec 30 00:13:15 Okay then. Dec 30 00:13:30 AtomicPlayboy: are you using wosqi 2.96 ? Dec 30 00:13:32 A Luna restart fixed the PM update thing. Dec 30 00:14:04 rwhitby: And no I was not, but it doesn't appear to be an issue now. Dec 30 00:14:12 QI 2.6 Dec 30 00:14:58 hey everyone, is there someone who can help me with a fairly noob issue with webos quick install? Dec 30 00:15:24 AtomicPlayboy: WOSQI earlier than 2.96 will install stuff in the wrong place for 1.3.5 Dec 30 00:16:33 ...durr. Dec 30 00:16:45 Got it, problem solved. Dec 30 00:16:55 I really need to read the forums more. Dec 30 00:18:18 i'm actually trying to find out how to uninstall using it. i'm still having issues with preware after updating PM and i want to do a full uninstall/reinstall on it and preware Dec 30 00:18:19 VKB pushed Dec 30 00:18:24 should be in feed within 15 minutes Dec 30 00:20:39 i've never like vkb but that was because of the lag on the pre. with the updates is it working smoother? Dec 30 00:21:40 the vkb doesn't lag much while using it, but still has a good 3 second delay to render the first time Dec 30 00:21:40 I'll be putting a lot more effort back into the vkb soon as I'm finished with aupt Dec 30 00:23:17 +egaudet: whats vkb? Dec 30 00:23:23 that was my only gripe was when u opened it also if u flipped the phone it would not be rendered properly and u would have to close it and open it again Dec 30 00:23:24 Virtual Keyboard Dec 30 00:23:31 meCka: Virtual keyboard Dec 30 00:24:26 whats aupt Dec 30 00:24:58 if the rendering was fixed i would apsolutly love it i could live with remembering not to turn my phone while using it Dec 30 00:28:13 Has anyone noticed the new widgets? Take a peek in the RefCode folder Dec 30 00:29:24 * BoBoYsDaDDa wants multiple desktops on my phone slide to switch like a cube Dec 30 00:29:32 widgets ? Dec 30 00:29:32 jfelectron, what they do Dec 30 00:29:35 BoBoYsDaDDa, aupt = auto update patch technology, the successor to the current autopatch technology that is much more OTA friendly, and will along with changes in the preware/ipkgservice roadmap allow future OTA updates to one-tap update all all your patches Dec 30 00:30:20 is that what that background update in preware preferences that i can't enable is? Dec 30 00:30:29 +PuffTheMagic: so u going to do it right? Dec 30 00:30:32 Correct. Dec 30 00:30:45 That and the "Update All" button which doesn't function yet, I'm guessing? Dec 30 00:31:30 en0x: we've got...datadiv, form, grid,pager,peoplepickr,pickerpopup Dec 30 00:31:58 The comments suggest they are experimental Dec 30 00:31:58 BoBoYsDaDDa, no Dec 30 00:32:03 Not finalized yet Dec 30 00:32:15 wonder what they will do Dec 30 00:32:16 :P Dec 30 00:32:19 pickerpopup Dec 30 00:32:19 :D Dec 30 00:32:23 the background update you can't enable is for updating feeds in the background I believe Dec 30 00:33:31 en0x: indeed....looking at code, it looks something like the PhotoDialer app but systemwide Dec 30 00:33:45 Guess they thought that was nifty Dec 30 00:33:53 maybe ground work for video :P Dec 30 00:34:04 video? Dec 30 00:34:26 there is also a wrap-around widget Dec 30 00:35:23 zsoc|away, did anything changed video record wise? Dec 30 00:35:58 PuffTheMagic, it looks like u r taking a break from precorderD :P Dec 30 00:37:49 anyone want to verify installing vkb in 1.3.5? Dec 30 00:37:56 no Dec 30 00:37:57 :P Dec 30 00:38:01 I will in about 5 minutes. Dec 30 00:38:05 egaudet i'll get it now Dec 30 00:39:59 egaudet waiting on luna restart Dec 30 00:41:26 NOTE: Don't use it in memos app Dec 30 00:41:26 it's currently broken and will erase your memo Dec 30 00:41:28 anyone how to login to a different palm profile with 1.3.5 neither parital or full erase did it for me Dec 30 00:41:47 pullingj: WebOS Doctor. Dec 30 00:42:04 That's the only method I found. That or ##RTN# Dec 30 00:42:05 i don't want to go back down to 1.3.1 Dec 30 00:42:24 Who's the carrier? Dec 30 00:42:32 sprint Dec 30 00:42:35 and i don't have my msl Dec 30 00:42:36 egaudet it is working great in sms Dec 30 00:42:47 ##RTN#, but you'll need the MSL for your device. Dec 30 00:43:04 And you'll need to reprogram it with the phone number and MSID when it's wiped. Dec 30 00:43:33 how does a full erase not erase your profile anymore is what i'm curious about Dec 30 00:43:41 No idea. Dec 30 00:43:48 cool thanks Dec 30 00:44:05 ...and now Preware isn't pulling feed info. Dec 30 00:44:22 i just doctored and then installed the update.. what a pain in the rear Dec 30 00:44:24 I have a data connection. Dec 30 00:44:46 egaudet no issues in email either Dec 30 00:45:28 the only thing i found in it at all is if i mash buttons fast it can't keep up so one of those geeks that can type 70wpm with their thumbs would be screwed Dec 30 00:46:03 typing rate allowed i would guess is about 2-3 per second. leaning more towords the 2 Dec 30 00:46:45 so is the backup getting clobbered with different software versions problem not an issue anymore? Dec 30 00:46:47 There it goes. That was weird. Dec 30 00:46:47 there is supposed to be an update soon for the gpu right Dec 30 00:47:01 yea there's a lot of stuff I want to work on with it just haven't had the time recently. Dec 30 00:47:06 pullingj: no issues with recovery here. Dec 30 00:47:19 egaudet: so time to tweet that VK is ready? Dec 30 00:47:26 yea Dec 30 00:47:37 the scroll for sym button is really nice. would be cleaner if it auto dropped down to the symbols when u hit the button Dec 30 00:47:40 Woo 1.3.5 Virtual Keyboard. Dec 30 00:47:51 egaudet: Works for me here too. Dec 30 00:47:54 Same tests. Dec 30 00:48:24 anyone know how the unlocking process for the gsm pre works via IMEI? do u just put in the SIM u want to use and itl ask u for the subcity code? Dec 30 00:49:01 egaudet: what's you twitter name? Dec 30 00:49:07 well i gotta go jump in the shower. got back from the gym an hour ago and i reek to high hell Dec 30 00:49:11 silentLaughter Dec 30 00:49:19 lol Dec 30 00:49:21 * BoBoYsDaDDa hates twitter Dec 30 00:50:01 meCka: there appear to be some unlock functions in the java services that require the MSL (master subsidy lock) to unlock the phone. Not sure how and where they get called in the UI Dec 30 00:50:26 i made my twitter account a while ago and then was pretty much like hmm why? Dec 30 00:50:37 meCka: mainly because everyone here on GSM so far has been careful to stick with vendors that sell the pre in an unlocked state Dec 30 00:50:42 but I guess it's getting a tiny bit of use now with the monthyl vkb port tweet :p Dec 30 00:52:01 +destinal: so its not like other phones that it asks u for the code for perminanet unlock? Dec 30 00:52:40 +destinal: after putting a SIM card thats not branded to the phone Dec 30 00:52:43 meCka: it probably is, but nobody knows how or what it looks like since we haven't tried Dec 30 00:52:53 Dear Palm: pls give me teh_1.3.5's. kthx. Dec 30 00:53:15 +destinal: oh k Dec 30 00:53:19 meCka: you get to be the guinea pig I guess :) Dec 30 00:53:41 +destinal: yeah hehe ill see whats sup when i get the other pre Dec 30 00:54:01 is there someway to rerun firstuse or something to put new profile info in 1.3.5? Dec 30 00:54:20 I can't believe i'm going to have to doctor to change my palm profile Dec 30 00:54:40 There's a re-run firstuse app in preware afaik. Dec 30 00:55:33 hmm that's odd. I see no patches in preware now Dec 30 00:58:25 So, Emergency Patch Recovery is the magic bullet now to just uninstall all patches prior to an upgrade? Dec 30 01:00:26 OK, PalmCast is starting. I'll be focusing over there for the next hour or so Dec 30 01:00:35 http://chatroll.com/palmcast-live/embed Dec 30 01:05:03 +rwhitby: why cant i hear nothing on the palmcast Dec 30 01:08:53 meCka: you hear clicks from people posting messages? Dec 30 01:10:10 Robi_: yea thats it Dec 30 01:11:05 i dont get other audio either Dec 30 01:13:18 i take it patches will be making it into preware for 1.3.5 sd the devs approve them Dec 30 01:13:23 Robi_: I had to load a seperate window with http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live Dec 30 01:13:33 and start dieter's video at least Dec 30 01:14:18 bah i thought it was all thru the chat bit Dec 30 01:14:22 ugh the ad popups are fucking annoying Dec 30 01:21:26 thanks destinal :P Dec 30 01:21:57 I'm seeing tons of lag on all vids bar Dieter... anyone else? Dec 30 01:24:20 lingfish: its normal Dec 30 01:24:30 a tad lame. Dec 30 01:24:34 wow, signed packages coming? slick. Dec 30 01:24:46 other videos audio is first going to dieter and then to you, so lag is expected Dec 30 01:25:10 ah. Dec 30 01:25:34 how do Dec 30 01:25:34 ? Dec 30 01:25:35 lemketron_: yeah, we've been a bit worried about the man in the middle prospects for the current mode of operation. Dec 30 01:25:55 thus the prompt for confirmation currently Dec 30 01:25:57 How do I get out of the terminal app on the enulator? Dec 30 01:26:20 Such awesome innovation from webos-internals... why is Palm lagging so much on the basics like GPU accel :/ Dec 30 01:26:37 egaudet: aupt is in testing right? Dec 30 01:28:20 anyone know how to exit the terminal app on the emulator? Dec 30 01:28:27 throw it away Dec 30 01:28:39 hit esc and throw it away Dec 30 01:28:40 hit escape or end to minimize then toss the card up Dec 30 01:28:45 I cant get it to card view Dec 30 01:28:58 hit "end" on your keypad Dec 30 01:28:58 I tried esv' Dec 30 01:29:01 esc* Dec 30 01:29:04 reboot your emu Dec 30 01:29:15 shouldn't have to reboot Dec 30 01:29:20 Speaking of... how does one ssh from the Pre from insite Terminal? Dec 30 01:29:32 I need to check something on the emulator before I reboot Dec 30 01:29:47 exit, ctrl-d Dec 30 01:29:48 lingfish: install openssh from preware Dec 30 01:30:02 rwhitby: ah nice, duh. Dec 30 01:30:46 when I try "exit" it seems to lock up Dec 30 01:30:52 is that right? Dec 30 01:31:39 Robi_, yea ot Dec 30 01:31:55 yea it's in testing* Dec 30 01:32:01 still cant exit terminal Dec 30 01:32:15 egaudet: whats it called Dec 30 01:32:40 aupt is used by all the patches in the webos-patches testing feed Dec 30 01:32:54 it's just the underlying hidden technology that patch packages use Dec 30 01:32:58 I tried esc, exit, ctrl+d, alt+space Dec 30 01:33:34 egaudet: ah so can't test much then Dec 30 01:33:55 testing consists of doctoring to prior webos version Dec 30 01:33:59 heh, it's a bit quieter in here tonight compared to yesterday Dec 30 01:34:12 then installing testing preware and ipkgservice's from test feed Dec 30 01:34:26 then disabling regular patches feed and enabling test patches feed for that webos version Dec 30 01:34:30 well i was on 1.3.1 Dec 30 01:34:30 jacques: listening to the palmcast? Dec 30 01:34:47 rwhitby, nope. is it good? Dec 30 01:34:48 then install a bunch of patches, then OTA, then change the test patches feed to new webos version then testing update patches and update all Dec 30 01:35:01 jacques: I'm the guest :-) Dec 30 01:35:04 pretty long test process :p Dec 30 01:35:11 thanks for the shoutout :P Dec 30 01:35:14 rwhitby, oh damn I didn't know that! Dec 30 01:35:30 rwhitby, will it be available as a recording? Dec 30 01:35:36 egaudet: hope I pronounced your surname correctly Dec 30 01:35:40 jacques: yeah, it's recorded Dec 30 01:35:40 someone please help, I cant get out of the terminal on the emulator, is there a special key sequence to get to card view? Dec 30 01:35:51 rwhitby, yea you did Dec 30 01:35:52 yeah its escape Dec 30 01:35:55 try the home or end key Dec 30 01:35:59 if escape doesn't work Dec 30 01:35:59 rwhitby egaudet: would it help the testing you discussed if we developed our own OTA updater? Dec 30 01:36:03 egaudet: yeah no worries Dec 30 01:36:12 server Dec 30 01:36:19 how would we do that Dec 30 01:36:29 * jacques prepares to update to ipkgservice 0.9.27 Dec 30 01:36:37 tried an installation of precorder, it failed and I have a log file. Any interest? or bigger fish to fry tonight? Dec 30 01:36:40 lemketron: thank you the home key worked Dec 30 01:36:44 add a host file entry, a certificate, and a web service Dec 30 01:37:09 is that normal that the terminal app would not go to card view with esc? Dec 30 01:37:35 egaudet: is palm still using the dependencies within ipkg? Dec 30 01:37:55 I was thinking before we could use dependencies on packages rather than version numbers Dec 30 01:38:03 not sure if that's true any more with bindiffing Dec 30 01:38:43 i don't know if it will speed anything up though. Well since we use offline root mode, and their ipkgs don't we can't really use them as dependencies i thought Dec 30 01:38:57 and really they depend on specific versions of those Dec 30 01:39:17 egaudet: well, we can't out of the BOX Dec 30 01:39:22 egaudet: but the data is there Dec 30 01:39:53 egaudet: and further it means we don't have to check every single app and add it to a new webos version number feed Dec 30 01:39:58 s/app/patch/ Dec 30 01:39:58 looks like precorder is broken Dec 30 01:39:59 destinal meant: egaudet: and further it means we don't have to check every single patch and add it to a new webos version number feed Dec 30 01:40:22 Has anyone tried that "turbo mode" option peole are talking about? Dec 30 01:40:25 if the thing it's patching hasn't changed, it'll still work Dec 30 01:40:37 destinal, if you didn't have separate feeds then would you see 4 of the same patch each with a different palm ipkg dependency Dec 30 01:40:48 but that would be hard for a user to parse via preware or know what they need Dec 30 01:41:39 is there away to setup aliases in the terminal app similar to setting them in .bash_alias in a normal linux terminal? Dec 30 01:42:00 egaudet: well you would put it in a package management service not preware Dec 30 01:42:18 Well... 1.3.5 screwed up the usbnet tethering it seems Dec 30 01:42:30 alkos333_2: usbnet still works Dec 30 01:42:43 destinal, I mean the actual patch package has to be in a feed, and if not in different feeds, then they would all be in the same feed right? Dec 30 01:42:59 egaudet: yeah you would do one feed Dec 30 01:43:04 egaudet: not one per webos version Dec 30 01:43:10 and just depend on what the patch patches Dec 30 01:43:29 even if not with native ipkg since palm wouldn't check our deps Dec 30 01:43:55 right so then when you go searching for available packages you'd see all of them, unless the service or preware jumped in between and checked palm ipkg versions vs. any dependencies within the package, then it gets less generic Dec 30 01:44:43 destinal: the tethering doesn't Dec 30 01:45:08 egaudet: ah, package searching is a bit harder, true Dec 30 01:45:28 for installing new patches Dec 30 01:45:35 right Dec 30 01:45:57 destinal: Is tethering still working for ya via usbnet? Dec 30 01:46:17 alkos333_2: haven't tried at this point. Dec 30 01:46:30 is anyone else with launcher patches noticing that they make the launcher hang for a long time whenever the phone wakes up? Dec 30 01:46:53 so the webosdoctor will restore the device to the factory defaults? Dec 30 01:46:55 Dumb question.. how do I set my name in the cast chat?!? Dec 30 01:47:28 rwhitby: the only issue is -- what happens when someone competes with you and packages up a nice free distribution .. of course with the app catalog there is pressure to prevent the alternate version from widespread acceptance (you have a gatekeeper) Dec 30 01:52:28 destinal: the package with the best support and update rate (e.g. best developer group behind it) wins Dec 30 01:59:31 any ideas about setting up alias in the terminal app? Dec 30 02:00:54 competition is not bad Dec 30 02:01:59 I have 0.9.27 and my patches back. all is well with the world. Dec 30 02:06:08 elpollodiablo1: ideas? Dec 30 02:06:16 elpollodiablo1: alias? Dec 30 02:06:37 rwhitby: hahaah Dec 30 02:06:42 inverse gravity Dec 30 02:06:52 yeah like for a bash shell there is a file .bash_aliases Dec 30 02:07:38 that allows you to make alias for commands and so on, so like instead of typing ssh ipaddress -l bob you can just type sshhome Dec 30 02:07:52 ~/.alias file Dec 30 02:07:53 so, hows this 135 business been going? Dec 30 02:07:59 is that there? Dec 30 02:08:26 I guess I will have to make that Dec 30 02:08:32 oil: we're all good with 0.9.27, which doesn't have the 0.9.26 stuff in it (it's from a branch) Dec 30 02:08:52 i don't know, it probably won't work Dec 30 02:09:39 I will have to try and see Dec 30 02:11:50 elpollodiablo1: you can install bash if you get optware Dec 30 02:12:21 but the default ash shell may support aliases as well Dec 30 02:12:44 it's not really a function of the terminal, the terminal app just connections you to the pty, which talks to your shell, etc Dec 30 02:13:01 I am not a fan of installing more and more things no the phone I like making a minimal changes as possible Dec 30 02:13:29 yup, there's an alias command Dec 30 02:13:34 hmm I will do some more poking around and see what I can find Dec 30 02:13:54 so editing your .profile and adding alias x='some random thing' should do what you want Dec 30 02:16:40 is there a way to build your own 1.3.5 firmware for european / gsm phones? Dec 30 02:18:59 where there is a will Dec 30 02:19:02 there is a way Dec 30 02:19:28 someone teach me how to tether Dec 30 02:19:45 destinal: creating a .profile file and adding the alise works. it loads the aliases everytime I load the terminal app Dec 30 02:23:34 ha! so preware IS still broken for me Dec 30 02:24:35 Robi_: how? Dec 30 02:24:45 no patches show up Dec 30 02:24:53 0 Dec 30 02:25:33 dbsooner: ping Dec 30 02:25:50 Put a file in /etc/profile.d for profile stuff Dec 30 02:25:56 Robi: I haven't seen what you have tried, but ....have you checked your feeds and made sure that they uypdate? Dec 30 02:26:32 that is the problem i think since pewware just flies thru the feeds starting up Dec 30 02:26:54 you really ACTUALLY updated the package manager service before 135??? Dec 30 02:26:59 no Dec 30 02:27:00 so you cjecked your preferences? Dec 30 02:27:08 no??? Ahhhhh Dec 30 02:27:14 rwhitby: so you say instead of creating a .profile file in the user directoy I should add it to profile.d? Dec 30 02:27:21 well the only thing i forgot was EPR before 135 Dec 30 02:27:21 and checked to make sure that they are updateing with every start? Dec 30 02:27:25 then you're going to have to webos-quick-install and update the package manager service.... Dec 30 02:27:35 after 135 i did reinstall the package manager service Dec 30 02:27:36 elpollodiablo1: depends whether you want it for everyone or just the user Dec 30 02:27:47 rwhitby, can I get preware .13 for update all? Dec 30 02:28:20 rwhitby -- good job on the palm cast. Dec 30 02:28:32 rick_home: thx Dec 30 02:29:05 ditto Dec 30 02:29:16 you were on the palmcast?\ Dec 30 02:29:25 Robi: feeds turned on for patches? Preferences set to update with every launch? Dec 30 02:29:29 yep, audio only Dec 30 02:29:34 dbmix: yep Dec 30 02:29:46 what did you talk about? Dec 30 02:29:58 1.3.5, GPU, other stuff Dec 30 02:31:02 Is there anything worthy in the new GPU groundwork? Like something we can use? Dec 30 02:31:34 here's what happens when starting preware Dec 30 02:32:38 it runs through all the feeds in 1 sec, then fixed 60 or so unknown packages, everytime, then gives me the installed screen. no patches and no updates Dec 30 02:33:04 perhaps i'll reinstall 0.9.13 Dec 30 02:35:08 egaudet: I'll put alpha 0.9.28 and 0.9.13 back up this arvo Dec 30 02:35:40 did anything change with a command line install with 1.3.5? i.e. is it still ipkg -o /var install... Dec 30 02:35:48 heh no wonder i cant find it :P rwhitby took it Dec 30 02:36:24 ron001, not /var anymore Dec 30 02:36:33 1.3.5 is -o /media/cryptofs/apps Dec 30 02:36:54 k, thank you. Dec 30 02:37:11 alright i'm going to bed Dec 30 02:37:19 bbt Dec 30 02:37:31 l8r Dec 30 02:37:53 so should we uninstall all the stuff in /var Dec 30 02:38:09 it gets moved Dec 30 02:38:23 ya but ipkg still lists it in /var Dec 30 02:38:38 How do i select the ubuntu.iso file i download in VirtualBox to install it? Dec 30 02:38:38 did you apply emh? Dec 30 02:38:49 yes before the upgrade Dec 30 02:38:55 most of it gets moved, some of the non-app stuff gets left behind Dec 30 02:39:14 Robi_: well then idk Dec 30 02:39:23 perhaps i didn't wait long enough before doing the update and running emh Dec 30 02:39:32 There don't files in the opengles or opengles-omap3 ipkgs. But they end up depending on tisgxgfx, was that package installed prior to 1.3.5? Dec 30 02:39:36 we haven't figured out the best way of handlnig it, although it should not hurt to reinstall via preware onto the new /media and manually remove those packages via ipkg -o /var remove Dec 30 02:41:10 nvm, i got it. Dec 30 02:41:11 my phone says I have updates available, so I click the "show updates" button and it takes me to the app catalog where I get a blank screen Dec 30 02:41:18 i'm thinking somehow i'm runnig preware from var yet using /media for config, hence its all blank Dec 30 02:41:35 i also had a dark theme set up which wasn't set after upgarde Dec 30 02:42:01 hckyplayer024: i got that too, try again after closing the app cat Dec 30 02:42:12 hckyplayer024: not all apps will download either Dec 30 02:42:44 robi_ okay I got it and now I have a list of a bunch of apps (some homebew apps as well) what do I do not to update Dec 30 02:43:35 either update all or close it Dec 30 02:44:03 I dont have an update all button? Dec 30 02:44:36 ya i got that too, close it and try again, sigh Dec 30 02:44:45 lol Dec 30 02:44:59 are the palmcasts recorded/ Dec 30 02:45:02 ? Dec 30 02:45:11 if I click on the applications it takes me to the listing in the app catalo Dec 30 02:45:12 g Dec 30 02:45:20 funkatron wants his glory saved ;] Dec 30 02:45:28 and none of the apps I downloaded from the app catalog are updated Dec 30 02:45:43 yep its assenine Dec 30 02:45:58 you either have to clock on your little briefcase so all your installed apps show then go thru all and update Dec 30 02:46:30 huh? Dec 30 02:46:34 or run the updates icon from the launcher that gives you a button that starts the ap catalog in a special screen which gives you an update all button Dec 30 02:46:43 s/clock/click Dec 30 02:46:57 your update failed to validate, try number 13. I am cursed. Dec 30 02:47:01 or Cox Cable sucks. Dec 30 02:47:08 what briefcase? Dec 30 02:47:31 ahhhh nvm I got it Dec 30 02:47:31 thanks Dec 30 02:47:58 also some free apps back in the day are now paid and they fail to update since you havent paid for it Dec 30 02:48:02 i tihnk Dec 30 02:48:52 got it Dec 30 02:48:53 works now Dec 30 02:53:16 why cant i use my mouse on virtualbox? Dec 30 02:54:21 meCka: restart it - sometimes it fails if you mess with the window while booting Dec 30 02:56:05 anyone else get fixing unknown packages everytime they open preware? Dec 30 02:56:21 Its a option in the preferences Dec 30 02:56:26 Its fine hckyplayer024 Dec 30 02:56:42 is it supposed to do it everytime? Dec 30 02:56:46 Yea Dec 30 02:56:57 k Dec 30 02:56:58 You can disable it in the preference screen though Dec 30 02:57:23 whats it doing exactly? when would it be needed Dec 30 02:57:41 to fix unknown packages Dec 30 02:58:17 but how did I get unknown packages? Dec 30 02:58:25 there are like 180 something Dec 30 02:58:40 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/220758-fixing-unknown-packages.html Dec 30 02:59:17 I get it thanks Dec 30 02:59:23 np **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 30 02:59:57 2009