**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 30 02:59:57 2009
Dec 30 03:00:48 <hckyplayer024> so basically now if you install a patch from WOSQI preware will see it and it wont be "unknown"
Dec 30 03:01:01 <oil> right
Dec 30 03:01:15 <oil> 180 is a shit ton though
Dec 30 03:01:29 <oil> i've got like 25
Dec 30 03:01:32 <hckyplayer024> Ill check again
Dec 30 03:01:42 <oil> mostly catalog apps and things i've developed that aren't in any feeds
Dec 30 03:02:18 <oil> maybe you need to manually update feeds
Dec 30 03:02:28 <hckyplayer024> i am right now
Dec 30 03:02:36 <hckyplayer024> 185
Dec 30 03:03:22 <hckyplayer024> what should I check
Dec 30 03:03:27 <oil> idk
Dec 30 03:03:31 <oil> seems high though
Dec 30 03:03:33 <oil> lol
Dec 30 03:03:45 <hckyplayer024> I guess if I disable it then go to unknown packages it will list them all right?
Dec 30 03:03:56 <oil> yeah
Dec 30 03:04:02 <hckyplayer024> ill do that in a sec
Dec 30 03:04:14 * oil brb
Dec 30 03:07:40 <meCka> how can i make my resolution in ubuntu(virtualmachine) bigger? dont see the option
Dec 30 03:11:20 <azakus> hey, is anyone else having an error where novacomd won't connect to the new sdk?
Dec 30 03:11:38 <azakus> I can use novaterm, but palm-install says "Network is unreachable"
Dec 30 03:11:42 <antianalog> i had that issue yesterday and i uninstalled novacom and the sdk and reinstalled, now it works
Dec 30 03:11:53 <azakus> I've done that a few times now and it hasn't :(
Dec 30 03:12:03 <azakus> maybe a dpkg purge is in order
Dec 30 03:12:42 <antianalog> are you getting an error msg?  like exec 5 or something similar?
Dec 30 03:13:23 <meCka> anyone?
Dec 30 03:13:44 <azakus> nope
Dec 30 03:13:50 <azakus> just "Network is unreachable"
Dec 30 03:14:04 <azakus> the commands are running, they just aren't finding the device
Dec 30 03:14:16 <azakus> novaterm working with palm-install failing is just weird
Dec 30 03:16:46 <antianalog> idk, i never use palm-install
Dec 30 03:17:02 <hemna> heh
Dec 30 03:17:08 <hemna> the Pre is on the home page of foxnews.com
Dec 30 03:35:22 <hckyplayer024> anyone else having problems installing the "enable landscape email" patch
Dec 30 03:36:45 <Robi_> weird
Dec 30 03:38:49 <Robi_> i'm getting an md5sum mismatch trying to reinstall preware
Dec 30 03:40:36 <Abyssul> hemna: question is, what are you doing on fox news.com
Dec 30 03:40:47 <hemna> :P
Dec 30 03:40:57 <hemna> I read lots of sites for news
Dec 30 03:42:11 <antianalog> hckyplayer024, yes, the patch fails
Dec 30 03:42:32 <hckyplayer024> just wanted to make sure its not just me
Dec 30 03:42:33 <hckyplayer024> thank
Dec 30 03:42:34 <hckyplayer024> s
Dec 30 03:50:25 <navinag_> oil:, egaudet: is there a way to manually fix the app download issues and manually migrating my apps so that preware sees them?  Where do they go?  Is it just simply moving the directories?
Dec 30 03:51:06 <rwhitby> navinag_: emh and the palm moves them
Dec 30 03:51:08 <destinal> navinag_: /media/cryptofs/apps  is the new ipkg offline root
Dec 30 03:51:36 <navinag_> rwhitby: where do i get emh from?
Dec 30 03:52:33 <navinag_> rwhitby: I have been a bit confised by the whole thing.  I updated preware and PMS. Now what?  Just trying to figure this out...
Dec 30 03:53:29 <destinal> navinag_: to fix app limits they moved 3rd party apps to the big partition (known as /media/internal or the "USB disk" when you use USB disk mode)
Dec 30 03:54:28 <destinal> but it's encrypted and the on-the-fly decrypted version can be found in /media/cryptofs
Dec 30 03:54:32 <navinag_> +destinal:  Ok...I understand that.  Where do I get this EMH that rwhitby speaks of?
Dec 30 03:54:46 <martymar> is EMH supposed to automatically restart luna?
Dec 30 03:54:47 <oil> webos-internals feed?
Dec 30 03:54:56 <destinal> EMH just unbreaks your migration
Dec 30 03:55:24 <destinal> It fixes directories in the old offline root that didn't have appinfo.json files with entries that the migration process is looking for
Dec 30 03:55:27 <navinag_> oit: i could not find it in preware,,,,
Dec 30 03:55:31 <martymar> its not working for me...apps are still stuck in /var/usr/palm/applications
Dec 30 03:55:56 <navinag_> oil: i could not find it in preware,,,,
Dec 30 03:56:15 <navinag_> oil: where ehould i look for it.. can I just search for emh?
Dec 30 03:56:42 <oil> ipkgservice may not be working that good if it wasn't migrated
Dec 30 03:56:42 <Shock> anyone else have issues of after updating to 1.3.5, all contacts have no data, and they cannot be edited, or erased?
Dec 30 03:56:46 <oil> use quick install to install emh
Dec 30 03:56:52 <ACap> navinag, in Preware, do List of Everything, then type Emergency
Dec 30 03:57:21 <navinag_> Acap: looking......
Dec 30 03:57:50 <martymar> how can I tell if EMH worked if the apps are still in the old folders
Dec 30 03:58:00 <navinag_> ACap:  Th eonly this i see in preware is Limited emergency Button
Dec 30 03:58:49 <ACap> navinag_: You must be filtered down to not include the webos-internals (all) feed
Dec 30 03:59:11 <navinag_> Acap: let me check
Dec 30 04:00:14 <navinag_> ACap: Webos-internals is on in my preferences
Dec 30 04:00:57 <ACap> navinag_ what version of webOS are you currently running?
Dec 30 04:01:10 <navinag_> 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:01:32 <ACap> let me look on mine.
Dec 30 04:01:33 <navinag_> ACao: 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:01:43 <Abyssul> ok this is weird. Preware was just working and now Im getting a OnFeeds error
Dec 30 04:03:20 <ACap> navinag_, go into Preware's Manage Feeds and tell me the urls beneath Webos-internals and Webos-patches
Dec 30 04:04:11 <ACap> navinag_: did you reinstall Preware after the update?
Dec 30 04:04:21 <navinag_> ACap:  yes
Dec 30 04:04:34 <navinag_> I will remove and reinstall again
Dec 30 04:04:39 <navinag_> something is hosed
Dec 30 04:04:49 <ACap> yeah, very weird.
Dec 30 04:07:20 <destinal_> virtualbox is actually serious when they say installation will take down your network interfaces.. go figure
Dec 30 04:07:20 <martymar> heh I think I fixed my own problem
Dec 30 04:07:57 <martymar> in the old dir i did a rm -r org.webos* then restarted luna then everything migrated and app catalog started working
Dec 30 04:08:37 <lingfish> So a quick one... the only way to currently access the Pre itself is via novacom?
Dec 30 04:08:49 <martymar> all the new webos stuff I installed was already moved over to the new app space
Dec 30 04:09:14 <destinal_> lingfish: well it's a linux box, once you get access any one way, you can install others.  dropbear for openssh is one I commonly use
Dec 30 04:09:39 <lingfish> I want to start playing with openvpn for Rod... and just can't remember how to get a cmdline on the beast
Dec 30 04:09:53 <destinal_> s/for openssh/and openssh's sftp daemon/
Dec 30 04:09:53 <infobot> destinal_ meant: lingfish: well it's a linux box, once you get access any one way, you can install others.  dropbear and openssh's sftp daemon is one I commonly use
Dec 30 04:09:56 <navinag_> ACap: reinstalled preware...now i see EMH
Dec 30 04:10:05 <navinag_> thanks...The feed URL was somehow bad
Dec 30 04:10:06 <ACap> navinag_: cool
Dec 30 04:10:14 <destinal_> lingfish: yeah, novaterm
Dec 30 04:10:29 <hckyplayer024> oil btw the reason I had so many unknown packages was because I had themes enabled, if I disable the themes feed it goes down to 30 something
Dec 30 04:10:34 <destinal_> lingfish: or I think you can install dropbear from preware
Dec 30 04:10:37 <lingfish> destinal_: novaterm is diff to novacom with tty right?
Dec 30 04:10:50 <cdadams1223> Quick noobie question: as Preware is loading up, it says it
Dec 30 04:10:56 <cdadams1223> oops...
Dec 30 04:11:01 <cdadams1223> didn' t finish
Dec 30 04:11:04 <navinag_> ACap: so after installing EMH then it will luna restart on its own..and I should beable to download from app catalog and preware will see my existing apps?
Dec 30 04:11:37 <ACap> navinag_: that's the idea
Dec 30 04:11:41 <destinal_> lingfish: yeah, if you're running linux or macos, it should come with novacom.   if windows, you need to download geist's windows novaterm
Dec 30 04:11:58 <navinag_> ACap: Hope this works....
Dec 30 04:12:09 <cdadams1223> When Preware is opening up, it says it's "fixing packages" or something to that extent.  It starts @ 0 and goes to 172.  What's going on with that?  Never did that before 1.3.5.
Dec 30 04:12:13 <destinal_> s/it/novaterm/
Dec 30 04:12:13 <infobot> destinal_ meant: lingfish: yeah, if you're running linux or macos, novaterm should come with novacom.   if windows, you need to download geist's windows novaterm
Dec 30 04:12:20 <navinag_> ACap:  Thanks for your help and pointing me in the right directions
Dec 30 04:12:22 <lingfish> destinal_: I'm thinking dropbear... then I can use whatever terminal client I want (ie. putty, or openssh from my unix boxen)
Dec 30 04:12:32 <destinal_> lingfish: I agree
Dec 30 04:12:37 <lingfish> k, done :
Dec 30 04:12:38 <lingfish> :)
Dec 30 04:12:39 <lingfish> ta
Dec 30 04:12:44 <ACap> navinag_ my pleasure.  my first time giving back ;)
Dec 30 04:13:28 <navinag_> Acap: so Luna restarted but all my apps are gone
Dec 30 04:13:32 <martymar> ugh...I have three apps that have two identical icons each...how can I get rid of that?
Dec 30 04:13:36 <navinag_> ACap: is that normal?
Dec 30 04:13:55 <destinal_> martymar: try a rescan or reboot -- see if it goes away
Dec 30 04:14:06 <ACap> navinag_ umm... no?
Dec 30 04:14:10 <martymar> k
Dec 30 04:14:53 <navinag_> ACap: crap
Dec 30 04:15:04 <ACap> navinag_ they might come back automatically after running the App catalog...  Or else you have a 4th page and everything moved around??
Dec 30 04:15:44 <navinag_> ACap: What about home brews.....I have to reinstall all those
Dec 30 04:15:45 <ACap> navinag_ did you lose store-bought apps, or homebrew, or both?
Dec 30 04:15:57 <navinag_> ACap: both
Dec 30 04:16:25 <ACap> navinag_: sounds like you somehow did a reset rather than just a reboot
Dec 30 04:16:46 * rwhitby-away starts fixing precorder
Dec 30 04:16:57 <navinag_> Acap: preware is still there though
Dec 30 04:17:01 <destinal_> rwhitby_: ah, precorder is broke?
Dec 30 04:17:12 <rwhitby_> destinal: postinst fix
Dec 30 04:17:16 <destinal> ah
Dec 30 04:17:28 <ACap> navinag_: small blessing
Dec 30 04:17:37 <cdadams1223> When Preware is opening up, it says it's "fixing packages" or something to that extent.  It starts @ 0 and goes to 172.  What's going on with that?  Never did that before 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:17:49 <destinal> yeah, they all needed fixed.. good of you to touch them up
Dec 30 04:18:04 <martymar> yup...reboot fixed it
Dec 30 04:18:15 <destinal> I noticed terminal plugin had been fixed a while back
Dec 30 04:18:34 <rwhitby_> destinal: yeah, I somehow forgot about precorder
Dec 30 04:19:12 <ACap> navinag_: might want to give it a little time, run the App Catalog and/or Preware, and another reboot
Dec 30 04:19:20 <cdadams1223> Thoughts on my question above?  Anyone? ;)
Dec 30 04:19:25 <antianalog> where do apps dl to now?
Dec 30 04:20:15 <destinal> antianalog: in 1.3.5 it's /media/cryptofs/apps
Dec 30 04:20:21 <destinal> by default
Dec 30 04:22:58 <lingfish> hrm, the internals wiki on installing dropbear doesn't seem to indicate that key auth is mandatory
Dec 30 04:24:16 <rwhitby_> lingfish: which page?
Dec 30 04:24:33 <pullingj> it's not?
Dec 30 04:24:42 <lingfish> Application:Dropbear seems to mention it, but Dropbear_Install doesn't
Dec 30 04:24:45 <pullingj> i was able to login to my user with passwrod auth
Dec 30 04:24:48 <rwhitby_> when installed through Preware, it is
Dec 30 04:24:55 <pullingj> ahh
Dec 30 04:25:20 <lingfish> I suppose that Dropbear_Install is a manual install, not Preware...
Dec 30 04:26:20 <lingfish> I would prefer to just dump my existing keys onto it either way
Dec 30 04:26:33 <lingfish> catch 22 though, heh
Dec 30 04:26:35 <destinal> lingfish: you can do that
Dec 30 04:26:49 <destinal> lingfish: well use novacom to copy the files up there
Dec 30 04:27:06 <lingfish> By copy you mean paste the key into vi on it?
Dec 30 04:27:09 <destinal> nah
Dec 30 04:27:12 <destinal> novacom put
Dec 30 04:27:15 <hborders> does anyone know how the nacmaps app works?  does it modify the actual google maps app, and is there standard API to do so?
Dec 30 04:27:23 <lingfish> ah ok... I'm novacom clueless.
Dec 30 04:27:24 <rwhitby_> lingfish: webosqi can put files too
Dec 30 04:27:35 <hborders> also, is there API to add other chat clients to the messaging app?
Dec 30 04:27:36 <pullingj> cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  <paste> <Ctrl-d> would work too
Dec 30 04:27:38 <lingfish> k
Dec 30 04:27:49 <destinal> novacom put file:///tmp/file < file
Dec 30 04:28:05 <pullingj> except i don't think ~ is defined by default
Dec 30 04:28:21 <destinal> let's keep it simple :)
Dec 30 04:28:26 <lingfish> ~ is a shell-dependant thing.  I never, ever use it.
Dec 30 04:28:27 <lingfish> heh
Dec 30 04:28:32 <muesli> why wasn't the com.palm.app.news rss reader with the official firmware yet? clues anyone?
Dec 30 04:28:40 <lingfish> 10+ years on Solaris will do that ;)
Dec 30 04:29:02 <destinal> lingfish: ah, solaris, with the nice mixed ucb and unix
Dec 30 04:29:08 <destinal> good times
Dec 30 04:29:24 <lingfish> destinal: yuh... I'm a Unix guy of 17+ years, so yeah.
Dec 30 04:29:41 <lingfish> Why the Pre isn't running HPUX I dunno ;)
Dec 30 04:29:44 <destinal> Clear wants me to move to Las Vegas and partake of WiMax apparently
Dec 30 04:29:50 <destinal> lots of ads on pandora
Dec 30 04:29:59 <lingfish> (said purely for a joke -- I hated HPUX)
Dec 30 04:30:16 <destinal> lingfish: I know enough HPUX to know that you were either masochistic or joking ;)
Dec 30 04:30:23 <lingfish> hahahaa
Dec 30 04:30:42 <pullingj> oh man, a ton of machines at work run hpux.  i'm glad i'm not allowed to work on those
Dec 30 04:31:22 <destinal> yeah, solaris and HPUX seem to still rule the large enterprise somehow.  no idea how..  large gifts / bribes?
Dec 30 04:31:38 <pullingj> we recently upgraded our tac-4 to a j5600
Dec 30 04:31:39 <lingfish> Hey while I think of it... anyone tried any voltage tests for the charging?  What I mean is, would any car charger to USB work?
Dec 30 04:31:43 <lingfish> Or will I blow shit up?
Dec 30 04:32:02 <destinal> lingfish: any USB-spec charger will be fine.
Dec 30 04:32:25 <destinal> I've used lots of in-spec and cheap knockoffs that may or may not have been, no adverse effects
Dec 30 04:32:34 <lingfish> nice
Dec 30 04:33:10 <destinal> your best bet is to get one that can push 1A though and make sure its data wires are shorted together
Dec 30 04:33:10 <pullingj> only thing i've noticed with chargers is computer usb is reported as 500ma, and wall and car chargers as 1000ma
Dec 30 04:33:24 <pullingj> (with or without a touchstone)
Dec 30 04:33:38 <destinal> yeah, well until very recently 500ma was max USB
Dec 30 04:33:56 <pullingj> and batterymonitor seems to support that there is no loss in charging speed using the touchstone
Dec 30 04:34:03 <destinal> the charger spec allowed more, and the new ports on some brand new gear supports the negotiation to high power
Dec 30 04:34:36 <pullingj> and 500ma charging can barely be called charging
Dec 30 04:34:42 <rwhitby_> can someone test the precorder bootstrap on 1.3.5 ?
Dec 30 04:34:48 <navinag_> ACap: turn out that I has some apps still present.  I had mvapp installed an it did not copy over the apps that were sym linked. I might have to manually copy them over
Dec 30 04:35:04 <navinag_> I am attempting that now...I am guessing that was the issue
Dec 30 04:35:12 <pullingj> just unlink them and restart luna
Dec 30 04:35:30 <pullingj> the system should migrate them then
Dec 30 04:35:30 <AraqirG-laptop> is there a seperate help channel or should I ask here?
Dec 30 04:35:35 <navinag_> pulling: there are too many for me to unlink
Dec 30 04:35:46 <AraqirG-laptop> I'm having a problem with preware patches after updating to 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:36:00 <lingfish> destinal: but it has to be micro USB not mini, as I just discovered, heh.
Dec 30 04:36:05 <ACap> navinag_: I'll bet you're right.  I stayed away from mvapp for just such a possibility
Dec 30 04:36:06 <navinag_> pullingj: there are too many for me to unlink
Dec 30 04:36:28 <pullingj> then, i'd imagine you could just delete some.. ;)
Dec 30 04:36:41 <destinal> pullingj:  I bought this one for my car, the PDA port delivers a solid 1A and it's the fastest I've ever charged the pre.  I should really check it it powers up my touchstone, I expect it will
Dec 30 04:36:42 <pullingj> navinag_: too many how
Dec 30 04:36:45 <destinal> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12928
Dec 30 04:37:02 <rwhitby_> navinag_: have you read the instructions in the mvapp thread?
Dec 30 04:37:25 <navinag_> pullingj: if I unlink.. I will fill up var and who knows that will happen
Dec 30 04:37:34 <pullingj> i use the sprint branded car charger i bought on launch day witht he touch stone in the car
Dec 30 04:37:37 <rwhitby_> navinag_: read the thread
Dec 30 04:37:46 <DiscreetControl> anyone else notice the added symbols when you hit "Sym" on the keyboard after the 1.3.5 update?
Dec 30 04:37:48 <destinal> pullingj: I've heard people who have lost touchstones and chargers with that combo
Dec 30 04:37:51 <pullingj> i had to wittle the usb connector down to get it to fit in the touchsotne
Dec 30 04:38:02 <destinal> apparently it doesn't really provide a full 1A
Dec 30 04:38:23 <pullingj> i've had it since launch day i the heat of ga in the summer and now the cold of mi in the winter. no problems yet
Dec 30 04:38:39 <lingfish> yeah... vi via novacom.... not good.
Dec 30 04:38:44 <pullingj> and two different vehicles
Dec 30 04:38:48 <destinal> lingfish: nah, sed -i
Dec 30 04:38:56 <destinal> lingfish: or novacom get and novacom put
Dec 30 04:39:14 <pullingj> or cat >>
Dec 30 04:39:16 <navinag_> ACap: my apps are starting to sho up again...with a luna rescan
Dec 30 04:39:19 <rwhitby_> or put it on via usb drive and then move it with Terminal
Dec 30 04:39:19 <lingfish> yuh
Dec 30 04:39:35 <destinal> heh, right, usb drive mode.  I keep forgetting that
Dec 30 04:39:40 <navinag_> ACap: the copy still in progress
Dec 30 04:39:51 <destinal> can't remember the last time I used it
Dec 30 04:40:05 <lingfish> heh me too
Dec 30 04:40:06 <destinal> (with usbnet and dropbear and sftp-server it's not really important to me anymore)
Dec 30 04:40:09 <rwhitby_> ok, precorder now installs, but doesn't work.
Dec 30 04:40:19 <antianalog> rwhitby_, the pre out in australlia yet?
Dec 30 04:40:24 <rwhitby_> antianalog: nope
Dec 30 04:40:33 <rwhitby_> I doubt it ever will be
Dec 30 04:40:37 <antianalog> so you still don't have one?
Dec 30 04:40:50 <rwhitby_> antianalog: I have a German unlocked GSM Pre
Dec 30 04:40:56 <antianalog> nice, congrats
Dec 30 04:41:44 <muesli> i just build a com.app.palm.news ipkg myself. works fine inside the emulator, but i can't get it running on my reallife palm. has someone tried that before?
Dec 30 04:42:13 <ACap> navinag_: good to know.  you've got rwhitby_ guiding you now.  Follow his sage advice.
Dec 30 04:42:42 <AraqirG-laptop> After updating to 1.3.5 and reinstalling preware through webos quick install it is listing patches I removed before the update as installed and won't let me remove them
Dec 30 04:42:56 <lingfish> heh, it (DB) doesn't fallback to publickey... it sees openssh try with password-auth and it boots
Dec 30 04:44:18 <rwhitby_> destinal: I'm advising openssh through Preware, since dropbear requires root to have a password even when password auth is disabled
Dec 30 04:44:36 <lingfish> user root has blank password, heh.
Dec 30 04:46:06 <destinal> rwhitby_: ah, so you'd have to set it to a long random string each setup -- awkward
Dec 30 04:46:07 <lingfish> So either I set a root pw, or I use openssh.  Meh.
Dec 30 04:46:32 <DiscreetControl> landscape email patch failed at hunk #1 at 55... normal after update 1.3.5?
Dec 30 04:47:21 <lingfish> Right?
Dec 30 04:47:25 <rwhitby_> lingfish: openssh is also better documented for people to find their own info
Dec 30 04:48:01 <lingfish> How much more RAM does it really chew up?
Dec 30 04:48:34 <pullingj> does the optware boot strap install package manager service?
Dec 30 04:49:22 <pullingj> freshly doctored phone. updated to 1.3.5. dev mode. novaterm. install optware boot strap. now preware bootstrap is prompting that preware package manager service is all ready installed
Dec 30 04:51:12 <pullingj> disregard, i must have already installed preware earlier before updating to 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:51:14 <rwhitby_> pullingj: yeah, it probably does to get arch.conf
Dec 30 04:51:22 <lingfish> Next question: does dev mode persist across restarts?  It opens up the fw apparently...
Dec 30 04:51:26 <rwhitby_> and I doubt optware bootstrap has been updated for 1.3.5
Dec 30 04:51:29 <Technobabble> rod, how long do i hold the volume up button for on boot?
Dec 30 04:51:31 <rwhitby_> cause you can just install it from preware now
Dec 30 04:51:43 <rwhitby_> Technobabble: see the Recovery wiki page
Dec 30 04:51:47 <Technobabble> k
Dec 30 04:52:01 <rwhitby_> egaudet: testing feed now has updated ipkgservice and preware for aupt testing
Dec 30 04:52:06 <pullingj> well optware is installed in /opt so it should be fine?
Dec 30 04:52:14 <pullingj> oh /var/opt...
Dec 30 04:52:56 <rwhitby_> lingfish: sshd is 0.8% of RAM
Dec 30 04:53:04 <lingfish> destinal: so you use dropbear and set a root pw?
Dec 30 04:53:11 <lingfish> rwhitby_: meh... done deal.
Dec 30 04:53:32 <destinal> grrr, virtualbox on windows is being evil, process refuses to DIE, the bug tracker says the workaround is to _reboot_ .. it's MY computer... sigh
Dec 30 04:53:49 <destinal> lingfish: yeah, I use root pw exclusively
Dec 30 04:53:49 <rwhitby_> I think 1.3.5 is time for optware-bootstrap.sh to say 'echo "Install optware using preware now"'
Dec 30 04:54:33 <pullingj> looking at the boot strap to see how much of a pain the rear it will be to undo
Dec 30 04:54:56 <destinal> lingfish: I don't allow connections on anything but USB though, so uh, if someone's brute forcing me, I deserve to lose.
Dec 30 04:54:59 <Technobabble> 3%... here we go
Dec 30 04:55:13 <lingfish> destinal: I'm going down the openssh path.
Dec 30 04:55:50 <destinal> lingfish: you could always use password safe, generate a 100+ char random maximum entropy password
Dec 30 04:55:51 <lingfish> Has anyone nmap'd a devmode Pre?  I'm going to otherwise.  There's no easy way to tell if you're in dev mode or not though, right?
Dec 30 04:55:53 <destinal> and throw it away
Dec 30 04:56:11 <Technobabble> i've got a little icon with a big white arrow pointing down at a surface mount chip
Dec 30 04:56:17 <rwhitby_> destinal: pwgen is in Preware for that purpose
Dec 30 04:56:20 <destinal> the memory overhead added by openssh doesn't thrill me
Dec 30 04:56:32 <rwhitby_> destinal: what % is dropbear?
Dec 30 04:56:41 <destinal> I think it's like 50%
Dec 30 04:56:44 <destinal> of openssh
Dec 30 04:57:00 <destinal> I don't have my pre connected at the moment but I'll check it later
Dec 30 04:57:04 <rwhitby_> so 0.4% instead of 0.8%
Dec 30 04:57:07 <lingfish> interesting... preware didn't autostart openssh... but it did dropbear
Dec 30 04:57:24 <lingfish> ah yes it did
Dec 30 04:57:27 <rwhitby_> lingfish: did you have dropbear still installed hogging port 22 ?
Dec 30 04:57:37 <lingfish> nah uninstalled first... all good
Dec 30 04:57:41 <navinag_> rwhitby:  thanks for the info... Unfortunately I hosed the whole mvapp postupd thing by installing EMH.. I did a manual copy and rescan of luna and things seem to be inorder now...I just need to make sure that /var/usr/.....applications/ is cleaned of any junk
Dec 30 04:58:01 <lingfish> blam, I'm in :D
Dec 30 04:58:23 <destinal> and yeah I use mine on 22, modified from 222 from the optware feed.  typing -p all the time is annoying
Dec 30 04:58:32 <destinal> does the preware one use 22 also?
Dec 30 04:58:46 <lingfish> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
Dec 30 04:58:49 <lingfish> root      5472  0.0  0.6   3976  1584 ?        SNs  15:56   0:00 /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 22 -o PasswordAuthentication no -o PermitRootLogin without-password
Dec 30 04:58:52 <lingfish> meh, not that bad...
Dec 30 04:58:57 <destinal> ouch
Dec 30 04:59:05 <destinal> on an embedded device, that's too much for me
Dec 30 04:59:07 <lingfish> 1.5mb
Dec 30 04:59:26 <lingfish> ... for the listener, and 2032 for the login
Dec 30 04:59:45 <destinal> rather keep the RAM around for services, plugins, etc
Dec 30 04:59:58 <lingfish> What are we talking, 256mb?
Dec 30 05:00:15 <destinal> yeah
Dec 30 05:00:23 <lingfish> heh, I can live with that footprint.
Dec 30 05:00:56 <destinal> I know, embedded devices today have more resources than PC's did 10 years ago
Dec 30 05:01:10 <lingfish> spose this proves that wifi does indeed stay up ... or is it just smart in that it realises there's an active TCP connection to it when it blanks?
Dec 30 05:01:21 <lingfish> As I otherwise see it re-DHCP when I screen-on
Dec 30 05:01:51 <destinal> brb, stupid virtualbox restart
Dec 30 05:02:22 <lingfish> rwhitby_: so, does the openvpn package drop any configs in currently?
Dec 30 05:02:25 <lingfish> Not finding any
Dec 30 05:02:28 <Technobabble> rwhitby, it said unable to reset your phoen just after 54%
Dec 30 05:02:59 <Technobabble> #  Around 54% the filesystems are being partitioned
Dec 30 05:03:06 <rwhitby_> lingfish: nope
Dec 30 05:03:21 <Technobabble> should i click "done" or telnet in and try something?
Dec 30 05:03:33 <rwhitby_> Technobabble: it shouldn't be resetting at 54%
Dec 30 05:03:43 <rwhitby_> Technobabble: what OS is your host?
Dec 30 05:03:49 <Technobabble> winxp
Dec 30 05:03:51 <lingfish> rwhitby_: weird... ipkg says it isn't installed
Dec 30 05:04:19 <Technobabble> lingfish, what about ipkg-opt?
Dec 30 05:04:22 <rwhitby_> lingfish: are you telling ipkg about cryptofs?
Dec 30 05:04:29 <lingfish> Preware says it is
Dec 30 05:04:38 <rwhitby_> ipkg -o /var is not a valid command any more
Dec 30 05:04:42 <lingfish> -sh: ipkg-opt: not found
Dec 30 05:04:59 <lingfish> Perhaps not in my path
Dec 30 05:05:09 <rwhitby_> Technobabble: you should be able to trace what the doctor is doing in the log file from Java
Dec 30 05:05:16 <rwhitby_> lingfish: you don't have ipkg-opt installed
Dec 30 05:05:17 <lingfish> hrm, PATH looks good
Dec 30 05:05:30 <rwhitby_> lingfish: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps ....
Dec 30 05:05:32 <lingfish> So how did Preware install it then?
Dec 30 05:05:41 <lingfish> Right, ok
Dec 30 05:05:41 <rwhitby_> lingfish: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps ....
Dec 30 05:06:12 <lingfish> heh, I have no cryptofs... is that a 1.3.5 thing?
Dec 30 05:06:57 <pullingj> rwhitby_: should i try to do 1.3.5 without the optware boot strap and do it all through preware?
Dec 30 05:07:42 <rwhitby_> pullingj: yes
Dec 30 05:07:47 <rwhitby_> lingfish: yes
Dec 30 05:08:08 <rwhitby_> lingfish: ipkg -o /var for 1.3.1 - you'll see mobi.optware.openvpn
Dec 30 05:08:12 <pullingj> any reason for shifting back to port 22 vs 222?
Dec 30 05:08:21 <rwhitby_> pullingj: key auth only
Dec 30 05:08:46 <lingfish> rwhitby_: k.
Dec 30 05:09:16 <pullingj> rwhitby_: btw, prbly need to update the web page
Dec 30 05:09:49 <lingfish> rwhitby_: out of interest-sake... whats the default -o path?
Dec 30 05:10:28 <pullingj> is there a way to set environment variables or command line arguments so postinst scripts will run when running ipkg at the command line?
Dec 30 05:11:33 <rwhitby_> lingfish: default if you don't give -o is /, which then stuffs up the Palm rootfs ipkg database
Dec 30 05:11:45 <rwhitby_> pullingj: yep, lots of optware pages to fix
Dec 30 05:11:50 <lingfish> I just wanted to do a files... so all should be well
Dec 30 05:12:19 <rwhitby_> lingfish: if you don't give the right -o, it won't see the package
Dec 30 05:12:36 <lingfish> yep, knew that.  All good :)
Dec 30 05:12:49 <lingfish> Need to do some stuff, then will attempt a config/run
Dec 30 05:12:51 <rwhitby_> pullingj: no there is not
Dec 30 05:13:17 <rwhitby_> pullingj: I find I hardly ever run ipkg on the command line now
Dec 30 05:13:17 <pullingj> so is it best to avoid it then or go run the postinst after?
Dec 30 05:13:30 <rwhitby_> you must run the postinst if there is one
Dec 30 05:13:48 <rwhitby_> and you must give it IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh ...
Dec 30 05:13:48 <pullingj> that seems to be working fine for me. the issue is removing packages and not being able to run the prerm because it gets removed when i find out it exists
Dec 30 05:14:12 <pullingj> well, i've been hosing that up forever then
Dec 30 05:14:33 <rwhitby_> pullingj: postinsts used to be hardcoded for /var, now they are not
Dec 30 05:14:44 <pullingj> ahh
Dec 30 05:16:39 <rwhitby_> ok, what's the next thing to fix ....
Dec 30 05:16:45 <Technobabble> rwhitby, msg me when you get the chance
Dec 30 05:16:49 <Technobabble> no hurry\
Dec 30 05:16:55 <rwhitby_> Technobabble: now is good
Dec 30 05:16:59 <Technobabble> go ahead
Dec 30 05:18:22 <destinal> wow, so apparently despite what /etc/init.d/mountall.sh says, cryptofs IS used on the emulator just the same as a device
Dec 30 05:18:36 <destinal> in 1.3.5
Dec 30 05:19:51 <rwhitby_> destinal: the directory name is
Dec 30 05:20:40 <destinal> cryptofs on /media/cryptofs type fuse.cryptofs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0)
Dec 30 05:21:14 <destinal> looks real to me
Dec 30 05:21:45 <rwhitby_> ah, cool
Dec 30 05:21:53 <destinal> may be something in the newest sdk only
Dec 30 05:22:27 <destinal> also, we have 411meg available on /  -- that's a LOT more than before, isn't it?  we may not need to add a disk any more
Dec 30 05:22:59 <pullingj> where am i supposed to install sudo from now?
Dec 30 05:22:59 <lingfish> Again, there's no easy way to tell if I'm in devmode or not, right?
Dec 30 05:23:09 <pullingj> i have no ipkg-opt
Dec 30 05:23:58 <rwhitby_> pullingj: install it from preware
Dec 30 05:24:23 <pullingj> i didn't see sudo or ipkg opt in preware?
Dec 30 05:24:32 <rwhitby_> and if you're ssh'ing in as root, why do you need sudo now?
Dec 30 05:24:41 <destinal> lingfish: you could run novacom -l    if you're plugged into USB
Dec 30 05:24:47 <destinal> it registers itself
Dec 30 05:24:58 <destinal> (on the host not device)
Dec 30 05:25:06 <lingfish> destinal: suppose I am, as novacom worked before.
Dec 30 05:25:08 <pullingj> i don't ssh in as root
Dec 30 05:25:11 <lingfish> so it does persist across reboots
Dec 30 05:25:38 <rwhitby_> pullingj: install "Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer"
Dec 30 05:25:46 <destinal> lingfish: you can also run    ps ax |grep novacomd
Dec 30 05:25:47 <pullingj> rwhitby_: ok thanks
Dec 30 05:25:54 <rwhitby_> (that's ipkg-opt)
Dec 30 05:25:57 <destinal> lingfish: on the device
Dec 30 05:26:13 <lingfish> destinal: right... but in short, dev mode needs to be on to ssh to it?
Dec 30 05:26:15 <destinal> if a novacomd is running, it's in dev mode
Dec 30 05:26:18 <lingfish> Otherwise the fw kicks in?
Dec 30 05:26:21 <destinal> no
Dec 30 05:26:26 <pullingj> i see that when i read the description this time. missed that last stime
Dec 30 05:26:33 <lingfish> Or does Preware install a fw exception?
Dec 30 05:26:35 <destinal> the firewall rules are in the iptables lines of the /etc/event.d script for starting it up
Dec 30 05:26:36 <destinal> yeah
Dec 30 05:26:40 <lingfish> ahhhh.
Dec 30 05:26:42 <lingfish> very nice :D
Dec 30 05:27:04 <lingfish> I heart my Pre :))))
Dec 30 05:27:21 <destinal> lingfish: an actual working userland out of the box?  it's awesome..
Dec 30 05:27:28 <rwhitby_> lingfish: so you ready to test openvpn now ? ;-)
Dec 30 05:27:33 <lingfish> hhhhahhaah
Dec 30 05:27:36 <lingfish> and, ahahaha
Dec 30 05:27:44 <lingfish> I want to nmap the beast first...
Dec 30 05:27:51 <lingfish> Interested to see wtf happens.
Dec 30 05:32:27 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby_: ping
Dec 30 05:32:31 <jacques> heh, apparently palm does not censor the reviews on the app store
Dec 30 05:32:39 <rwhitby_> PuffTheMagic: g;day
Dec 30 05:33:12 <lingfish> damn... no nmap built.
Dec 30 05:33:14 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby_: so i know i could just look at the code but asking is easier, how does metadoctor decide which jar to use?
Dec 30 05:33:33 <rwhitby_> hard-coded names based on carrier and version
Dec 30 05:34:05 <PuffTheMagic> so there is a prompt to pick a version?
Dec 30 05:34:17 <rwhitby_> nope
Dec 30 05:34:24 <PuffTheMagic> forces latest?
Dec 30 05:34:43 <rwhitby_> makefile has latest hard-coded by default.  override on make command line
Dec 30 05:34:50 <PuffTheMagic> ah
Dec 30 05:35:14 <PuffTheMagic> for the gui i was thinking about using a json config file that had the urls
Dec 30 05:35:20 <PuffTheMagic> and allow the user to choose them
Dec 30 05:35:30 <PuffTheMagic> and then they could edit the config manually when new versions are out
Dec 30 05:35:34 <PuffTheMagic> or just download a new file
Dec 30 05:35:34 <rwhitby_> yep
Dec 30 05:35:41 <PuffTheMagic> instead of the whole app
Dec 30 05:36:06 <PuffTheMagic> so the makefile autodetects carier?
Dec 30 05:36:29 <rwhitby_> nope, it either builds all 3, or you say which you want via the makefile target
Dec 30 05:38:16 <PuffTheMagic> so metadr just reconstructs a new jar with custom settings that you run like normal?
Dec 30 05:38:28 <rwhitby_> yep
Dec 30 05:39:03 <PuffTheMagic> this should be fun
Dec 30 05:39:35 <rwhitby_> PuffTheMagic: are you going to just insert java screens into the doctor .jar to make it reconfigure itself on the fly ?
Dec 30 05:40:30 <PuffTheMagic> ehh that not to pratical
Dec 30 05:40:52 <jacques> now that the excitement of yesterday has died down, I'd like to return to thinking about the upstart service or whatever we're calling the general service to manage heavyweight processes
Dec 30 05:41:05 <PuffTheMagic> i havent looked at anything yet so i dont know what calls the current dr makes
Dec 30 05:41:27 <rwhitby_> jacques: upstart manager service?
Dec 30 05:41:45 <rwhitby_> PuffTheMagic: do you have ubermon source in the repo yet?
Dec 30 05:42:02 <PuffTheMagic> nope is still on pym
Dec 30 05:43:59 <jacques> rwhitby_, yeah that
Dec 30 05:44:35 <rwhitby_> jacques: should be able to start with exampleservice and flesh it out from there
Dec 30 05:44:58 <rwhitby_> I'm personally going to be doing that for an openvpn and delegate manager service
Dec 30 05:45:58 <rwhitby_> working with the gui who started the pre-openvpn gui
Dec 30 05:46:39 <destinal> cool, I envision a VPN GUI for lots of types of VPN's -- including vpnc, openvpn, freeswan or whatever the cool kids use for IPsec these days
Dec 30 05:46:49 <jacques> rwhitby_, I;m still not too clear on the use of upstart - the UMS would somehow interact with upstart? create upstart scripts ? and modify them on the fly?
Dec 30 05:47:18 <rwhitby_> jacques: no, just call initctl list, start and stop (and maybe events with subscription)
Dec 30 05:47:23 <rwhitby_> for existing upstart scripts
Dec 30 05:47:46 <destinal> ah, you could then install upstart scripts in other packages to do fun things
Dec 30 05:47:58 <rwhitby_> destinal: I guess we need a preware-like GUI design effort then
Dec 30 05:48:32 <Usuario256> does anyone have a backup of launcher.css?  trying to do the 5x4 launcher patch and its failing on that file
Dec 30 05:48:45 <rwhitby_> destinal: yeah, have scripts that don't do anything by default, but can be started using the upstart manager (or some other app using that api)
Dec 30 05:48:57 <rwhitby_> just being able to start and stop existing scripts should be fairly safe
Dec 30 05:49:18 <rwhitby_> installing the scripts will require a signed postinst or confirmation
Dec 30 05:49:22 <destinal> rwhitby_: yeah, I guess I'd better get rid of my rm -rf / upstart script though  ;)
Dec 30 05:50:33 * rwhitby_ has done an "ln -s /media/cryptofs/apps /apps" for convenience ...
Dec 30 05:51:10 <destinal> rwhitby_: great idea, I was getting tired of typing ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps   :)
Dec 30 05:51:38 <jacques> destinal, it needs a "mount -o remount,rw /" before the "rm -rf /"
Dec 30 05:52:03 <destinal> jacques: oh, yeah, but that's a given.  :)
Dec 30 05:53:14 <destinal> anyone played with ares?  maybe finally the CSS-uninitiated like me can make mojo apps without help :)
Dec 30 05:53:21 <rwhitby_> this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.logctld', { method: 'validate', parameters: { "code": codeV, "sn": this.serialNumber },
Dec 30 05:53:32 <rwhitby_> new usbpassthrough authentication
Dec 30 05:54:05 <destinal> hmm.. before there wasn't any
Dec 30 05:54:11 <destinal> interesting
Dec 30 05:54:29 <rwhitby_> starting to lock things down?
Dec 30 05:54:30 <jacques> what's usbpassthrough?
Dec 30 05:55:07 <destinal> jacques: it connects ports within the pre to the host PC over USB
Dec 30 05:55:29 <destinal> serial ports, including DUN "modem" port
Dec 30 05:56:54 <jacques> oh, hmm, that could be fun
Dec 30 05:58:16 <destinal> of course the pre can't send data on its own once you use the port on a PC, so iptables masquerading (nat)  is more useful for tethering
Dec 30 05:58:36 <MLJ> Hey all... what directory should preware/quick install place the theme.xml file on the pre?
Dec 30 06:15:35 <Robi_> ok my preware is still busted
Dec 30 06:19:38 <Robi_> rwhitby-away: thanks for putting up .13
Dec 30 06:19:43 <Robi_> that finally installed
Dec 30 06:19:59 <Robi_> but still isn't launching
Dec 30 06:20:05 <rwhitby-away> Robi_: unless you're testing aupt, you shouldn't be using .13
Dec 30 06:20:16 <Robi_> .12 failed to install
Dec 30 06:20:23 <rwhitby-away> the recommended versions are .12 and .27
Dec 30 06:20:37 <Robi_> i'm just trying to get preware going
Dec 30 06:20:47 <rwhitby-away> yep, but .13 is not going to help you do that
Dec 30 06:21:08 <rwhitby-away> preware is not the problem.  ipkgservice is the problem.  you need 0.9.27
Dec 30 06:21:13 <Robi_> how is it going to prevent it
Dec 30 06:21:52 <Robi_> org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.27 - Package Manager Service
Dec 30 06:22:12 <rwhitby-away> it's not going to prevent it. I said it's not going to help it.
Dec 30 06:22:28 <Robi_> then it'll stay as is
Dec 30 06:22:56 <rwhitby-away> ok, but realise that you're alpha testing it
Dec 30 06:23:08 <Robi_> nod
Dec 30 06:32:20 <destinal> hey, cool.   either windows 7, or the new virtualbox, or the new winscp, fixed winscp to localhost 5522 for the emulator.   that used to report connection refused trying to go through the vbox port forward
Dec 30 06:35:17 <Technobabble> any of you guys know which of these little parts controls the touch screen?
Dec 30 06:35:41 <Technobabble> i've got a tiny bit of corrosion on J2
Dec 30 06:35:54 <Usuario256> anyone feel like sending me their launcher.css from 1.3.5?
Dec 30 06:37:33 <Robi_> where the hell is this postinst file
Dec 30 06:40:14 <Robi_> ..usr/lib/info/..
Dec 30 06:40:25 <Robi_> coulda swore i looked there twice
Dec 30 06:43:42 <Robi_> probably wont need any cpu patches this time
Dec 30 06:44:03 <Robi_> wonder if they included extra modules for that in the kernel
Dec 30 06:46:02 <Robi_> preware seem to be its old slow self
Dec 30 06:46:51 <destinal> Technobabble: no, I find the hardware details very interesting.. but not willing to take my primary phone apart
Dec 30 06:47:59 <lingfish> "Your phone is up to date."  I'm getting over seeing that
Dec 30 06:55:55 <Technobabble> destinal, me either
Dec 30 06:55:59 <Technobabble> that's why i'm takin apart this other one
Dec 30 06:56:10 <Technobabble> it's goin to rwhitby when i'm done with it
Dec 30 06:56:26 <Technobabble> but the touch screen isn't working anymore, and now i took it appart and i'm cleaning the contacts, i hope that fixes it
Dec 30 07:02:46 <Robi_> interesting
Dec 30 07:03:04 <Robi_> email replies black text patch failed to install
Dec 30 07:03:26 <Robi_> post install
Dec 30 07:08:19 <Robi_> odd, screen just went black
Dec 30 07:08:25 <Robi_> but backlit
Dec 30 07:08:35 <Robi_> no gestures responding
Dec 30 07:08:38 <Robi_> sigh
Dec 30 07:10:53 <rwhitby> Robi_: any cpu stuff installed since your last webos doctor?
Dec 30 07:11:22 <Robi_> there was in 1.3.1 not in 1.3.5
Dec 30 07:11:39 <Technobabble> rwhitby, this thing's connections are about as clean as i can get them without scrapeing them
Dec 30 07:11:41 <Robi_> dunno if thay would have wiped it
Dec 30 07:11:47 <Technobabble> so it's goin back together, hopefully the screen'll work now
Dec 30 07:12:00 <Robi_> Technobabble: you use alcohol to clean them?
Dec 30 07:12:15 <Technobabble> no, just a soft pipe cleaner
Dec 30 07:12:21 <Technobabble> semi-soft
Dec 30 07:12:39 <Robi_> i gotta find some of that liquid contact metal stuff
Dec 30 07:12:47 <Technobabble> it's a pipe cleaner to an airbrush
Dec 30 07:12:51 <rwhitby> Robi_: my guess is the cpu speed patch is biting you
Dec 30 07:13:11 <Technobabble> well, there's not much left on it, but you can tell the corrosion took down some of the solder
Dec 30 07:13:12 <Robi_> rwhitby: EPRd
Dec 30 07:13:14 <Robi_> not reinstalled
Dec 30 07:13:29 <Robi_> was just in preware doing patches when boom went blank
Dec 30 07:13:35 <Robi_> had to pull battery
Dec 30 07:13:51 <Robi_> still stuck on palm screen. booting i hope
Dec 30 07:14:02 <Technobabble> rwhitby, any suggestions besides not scrapeing the contacts?
Dec 30 07:14:18 <Technobabble> i really don't wanna do any damage that you could have fixed without messing it up
Dec 30 07:14:24 <rwhitby> Robi_: I don't think the CPU patches uninstall cleanly
Dec 30 07:14:33 <Technobabble> considering it's in much better condition than i previously though
Dec 30 07:14:34 <Technobabble> t
Dec 30 07:14:38 <rwhitby> Technobabble: I'm not going to be trying to fix anything :-)
Dec 30 07:14:38 <Robi_> rwhitby: i'll make sure once it comes back
Dec 30 07:16:44 <Robi_> finally the palm logo pulsates
Dec 30 07:18:35 <Robi_> rwhitby: do you have the POM brand of juices in au?
Dec 30 07:18:57 <rwhitby> not that I know of
Dec 30 07:19:19 <Robi_> well anyhow, we do, and it's amusing listening to the commercial on the radio
Dec 30 07:20:24 <Robi_> its pomogranite juice and their motto is POM Wonderful.
Dec 30 07:20:41 <Robi_> saying it aloud and hearing it in a car sounds like PALM Wonderful.
Dec 30 07:20:55 <Robi_> gets me every time
Dec 30 07:24:55 <Robi_> would be a good slogan
Dec 30 07:25:28 <destinal> Palm could make a slogan "just palm it", but then people would think they did magic tricks or encouraged shoplifting
Dec 30 07:26:01 <Robi_> great now my pre is unbelievably slow
Dec 30 07:26:13 <Robi_> in ssh
Dec 30 07:26:18 <Robi_> ui is snappy
Dec 30 07:26:18 <destinal> odd
Dec 30 07:26:50 <destinal> let me guess, wifi?
Dec 30 07:27:11 <Robi_> yes
Dec 30 07:27:54 <destinal> try browsing something or starting up a regular outbound ping from the device to something else on the lan
Dec 30 07:28:35 <destinal> I noticed that it was pretty unresponsive over wifi unless I was doing something on it at the same time
Dec 30 07:29:06 <destinal> I strongly recommend ssh over usbnet,  btw
Dec 30 07:29:22 <rwhitby> eww - connecting a cable ...
Dec 30 07:29:46 <destinal> rwhitby: yeah well if you have a touchstone and don't have to connect anything, it can seem like a hardship I guess :)
Dec 30 07:29:47 <Robi_> dude 20% packet loss
Dec 30 07:30:02 <Robi_> wtf
Dec 30 07:30:04 <rwhitby> destinal: 4 touchstones :-)
Dec 30 07:30:10 <destinal> Robi_: from the pre, or to it?
Dec 30 07:30:20 <prepopsci> Rod, can you lend a hand?
Dec 30 07:30:22 <Robi_> from
Dec 30 07:30:36 <destinal> ugh, how's your signal strength?
Dec 30 07:30:37 <rwhitby> prepopsci: if you're quick. I'm about to drive home
Dec 30 07:31:09 <destinal> Robi_: try getting closer to the access point
Dec 30 07:31:27 <prepopsci> After update, I'm getting ipkg log errors on every patch I try to install.  The theme reinstalled perfectly, but the patches won't.
Dec 30 07:31:33 <Robi_> i'm sitting next to it
Dec 30 07:31:36 <Robi_> it's not a wifi thing
Dec 30 07:31:51 <destinal> Robi_: heh, then get _farther from_ the AP  :)
Dec 30 07:31:58 <destinal> I have actually had that help before
Dec 30 07:32:03 <Robi_> yah no
Dec 30 07:32:20 <Robi_> root      1935  0.0  1.0  13980  2520 ?        S    23:21   0:00 /usr/bin/contextupload
Dec 30 07:32:20 <rwhitby> prepopsci: dunno
Dec 30 07:32:23 <Robi_> wtf is that
Dec 30 07:32:32 <destinal> I have a hunch that usbnet would be fine and that there is something up with that wifi interface
Dec 30 07:32:45 <prepopsci> Am I the only one you have heard having this problem with Preware?
Dec 30 07:33:10 <daniel_mead> im having the same prob prepopsci
Dec 30 07:33:11 <meCka> +destinal: yo i got VirtualBox installed and running uBuntu
Dec 30 07:33:36 <rwhitby> prepopsci: nope.  I just haven't got to worrying about patch installation yet.
Dec 30 07:34:07 <prepopsci> So everyone is having this issue?
Dec 30 07:34:19 <Robi_> prepopsci: no
Dec 30 07:34:24 <rwhitby> nope, lots of people are installing patches fine
Dec 30 07:34:36 <rwhitby> but some aren't
Dec 30 07:35:08 <prepopsci> That's interesting.  I wonder if I can at least still do some tweeks with quick install.
Dec 30 07:35:18 <rwhitby> but until someone says that the did actually correctly use EPR before upgrading, and have updated feeds after upgrading, I won't be looking at isolated cases.  bigger fish to fry
Dec 30 07:36:28 <prepopsci> lol.  How does one incorrectly use EPR.  There's pretty much only one option when viewing that app.
Dec 30 07:37:09 <destinal> meCka: awesome
Dec 30 07:37:34 <rwhitby> incorrect use is hoping that it will work after an OTA update with a theme still installed or with other manual patches or wosqi tweaks still installed
Dec 30 07:38:34 <prepopsci> Gotcha.  I didn't do any of those, but I understand if you want to hold off until you resolve other issues first.  I just hope we don't get forgotten.
Dec 30 07:38:43 <meCka> +destinal i also downloaded the linux sdk and novacom but dont know how to install it lol
Dec 30 07:39:19 <meCka> +destinal: java 6 runtime is installed already
Dec 30 07:40:06 <Robi_> man, i gotta figure out how to tell the pre that pings are NOT optional
Dec 30 07:42:00 <Robi_> can't even get to the net up update feeds
Dec 30 07:42:04 <Robi_> wow.
Dec 30 07:43:57 <rwhitby> prepopsci: I just installed the Show Download Count patch
Dec 30 07:44:36 <rwhitby> and Battery Icon as Percent
Dec 30 07:44:43 <meCka> +destinal: seems like double clkcing on the .deb files it installs them lol.
Dec 30 07:45:00 <prepopsci> I just got the IPKG error on the download count patch.
Dec 30 07:45:42 <destinal> meCka: yeah that should work.   rwhitby will probably be back on later if you had questions on metadoctor  -- I have work in the morning though and have to get to bed.  good luck.
Dec 30 07:45:55 <meCka> which sdk do i install if i want to meta doctor sprint 1.3.1? sdk 1.2.0 or 1.3.5?
Dec 30 07:46:08 <Robi_> if [ -e /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed ]; then echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed echo 500000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed
Dec 30 07:46:11 <destinal> you can grab the latest sdk
Dec 30 07:46:12 <Robi_> fi
Dec 30 07:46:19 <destinal> novacom works with everything
Dec 30 07:46:37 <meCka> +destinal: k, cool thanks. have a goodnight :D
Dec 30 07:46:55 <Robi_> commented
Dec 30 07:47:13 <destinal> meCka: good night :)
Dec 30 07:48:01 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 30 07:48:06 <Robi_>  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
Dec 30 07:48:06 <Robi_> scaling_governor
Dec 30 07:48:06 <Robi_> userspace
Dec 30 07:49:19 <Technobabble> i'd love to see an AMOLED display on these things
Dec 30 07:50:01 <Technobabble> nope, pre taken all appart, cleaned, and put back together with the same result
Dec 30 07:57:24 <joshua> UT3 takes like 5 years to load a mpa
Dec 30 07:57:28 <joshua> map
Dec 30 07:57:38 <joshua> oops wrong channel
Dec 30 08:09:30 <meCka> anyone here that can help me in something real quick? 10min
Dec 30 08:31:53 <Technobabble> where's the storage on the pre located again?
Dec 30 08:32:11 <Technobabble> like where the pictures are stored n stuff
Dec 30 08:39:32 <meCka> what does it mean by "comment out any of the lines u want to skip"?
Dec 30 08:40:08 <Technobabble> # this line would be commented out
Dec 30 08:40:11 <Technobabble> this one wouldn't
Dec 30 08:41:16 <meCka> Technobabble: is just adding the "#" sign to skip that step?
Dec 30 08:41:40 <Technobabble> well..
Dec 30 08:41:45 <Technobabble> show us what you're talking about
Dec 30 08:41:58 <Technobabble> i don't exactly think skipping steps is the right way to go, usually
Dec 30 08:43:36 <meCka> Technobabble: i just want to skip the step were it makes the var size to 2gb or something
Dec 30 08:43:54 <meCka> Technobabble: Make_FirstUse-Visible, whats that ?
Dec 30 08:47:28 <joshua> makes that thing that plays the first time you start the phone show up
Dec 30 08:47:57 <meCka> joshua: oh that introduction video ? lol
Dec 30 08:48:55 <meCka> Do i need Install_SSh_Auth_Keys ?
Dec 30 08:57:03 <meCka> anyone know why i got this error at the bottom: http://bit.ly/4uIbHe
Dec 30 09:31:11 <rwhitby> meCka: still around?
Dec 30 09:31:39 <rwhitby> meCka: you ran out of space in the area where you are building the meta-doctor
Dec 30 09:35:54 <meCka> +rwhitby: yeah im still here
Dec 30 09:36:27 <meCka> +rwhitby: im re-doing everything re-installed ubuntu gonna installa java and the sdk now
Dec 30 09:36:38 <rwhitby> meCka: what exactly do you want the meta-doctor to achieve?
Dec 30 09:37:10 <meCka> i just want to skip the increase var directory
Dec 30 09:37:22 <meCka> Do i need Install_SSh_Auth_Keys ?
Dec 30 09:37:26 <rwhitby> you want BYPASS_ACTIVATION if you absolutely cannot activate your phone with a carrier by any means
Dec 30 09:37:53 <rwhitby> tell me *why* you want to use the meta-doctor
Dec 30 09:38:04 <rwhitby> not what you *don't* want to do
Dec 30 09:38:42 <meCka> +rwhitby: to bypass activation on my gsm pre that came from spain. want to use it on t-mobile here in the states
Dec 30 09:39:01 <rwhitby> meCka: do you need a Palm Profile?
Dec 30 09:39:18 <rwhitby> and do you know the bands are compatible?
Dec 30 09:39:37 <meCka> +rwhitby: what is it exactly for? 3G bands are not compatible but EDGE are.
Dec 30 09:39:50 <meCka> +rwhitby: will i need palm profile?
Dec 30 09:40:09 <rwhitby> if you want to access the app catalog, yes.
Dec 30 09:40:25 <meCka> +rwhitby: oh then yes i do want it.
Dec 30 09:41:52 <rwhitby> meCka: the meta-doctor will get you access to the device, but won't help with creating a profile.
Dec 30 09:42:01 <rwhitby> you need activation to create a profile
Dec 30 09:42:16 <rwhitby> and up until 1.3.1 at least you could only activate over 3G
Dec 30 09:43:11 <meCka> +rwhitby i cant create a profile after activation? how am i going to activate if i have to manually enter the APN settings for EDGE to work. or can i activate over Wifi?
Dec 30 09:45:56 <rwhitby> you cannot activate over wifi or edge as far as I know
Dec 30 09:46:27 <meCka> +rwhitby: thats weird i been reading the opposite on the forums.
Dec 30 09:46:54 <rwhitby> you can log into an existing profile over wifi, but you need to have a profile first
Dec 30 09:47:12 <rwhitby> activating a phone is different from logging into a profile
Dec 30 09:47:28 <rwhitby> meCka: can you show me a posting?
Dec 30 09:48:09 <rwhitby> I could easily be wrong.  I use meta-doctor to bypass activation altogether on a cdma pre in a country that has no cdma.  My GSM Pre activated perfectly on 3G.
Dec 30 09:48:44 <rwhitby> So I have no experience of needing to activate in any non-standard way on GSM, and I've never tried to activate the CDMA phone.
Dec 30 09:49:13 <meCka> +rwhitby: so theres no way to create a profile after i bypass activation?
Dec 30 09:52:03 <meCka> +rwhitby: http://bit.ly/59fndl
Dec 30 09:52:48 <meCka> +rwhitby: http://bit.ly/6Zjqgc
Dec 30 09:55:03 <rwhitby> the first is a cdma posting, just like my CDMA case
Dec 30 09:55:24 <rwhitby> the second is my posting
Dec 30 09:55:53 <rwhitby> which posting says you can activate a GSM phone without a 3G connection?
Dec 30 09:56:58 <meCka> theres plenty of post i cant remember exactly
Dec 30 09:57:07 <meCka> there are all under the GSM Pre forum
Dec 30 09:58:25 <rwhitby> ok, you may well be correct.
Dec 30 09:59:16 <rwhitby> you enable ssh auth keys if you have an authorized_keys file in your ~/.ssh directory that you want copied to root's home directory on the Pre.  If you don't need that, then don't enable it.
Dec 30 10:00:53 <meCka> +rwhitby: skipping the steps is just adding the # sign right in front ?
Dec 30 10:04:18 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 30 10:04:36 <meCka> ok, is there anything else i need to change?
Dec 30 10:04:44 <rwhitby> you may be able to get away with just ENABLE_FIRSTUSE_WIFI and nothing else
Dec 30 10:05:14 <rwhitby> if that doesn't enable you to activate, then next try BYPASS_ACTIVATION and MAKE_FIRSTUSE_VISIBLE together
Dec 30 10:05:25 <rwhitby> the last three items are all optional
Dec 30 10:05:37 <rwhitby> (for my convenience really)
Dec 30 10:06:28 <meCka> so i should comment out all exept ENABLE_FIRSTUSE_WIFI to see if that allows me to create a profile via wifi ?
Dec 30 10:07:02 <meCka> what is MAKE_FIRSTUSE_VISIBLE?
Dec 30 10:07:27 <rwhitby> it makes the FirstUse app visible in the launcher, so you can run it later
Dec 30 10:07:38 <meCka> oh k
Dec 30 10:08:11 <rwhitby> meCka: if it works, you'll be adding to the wiki page, correct?
Dec 30 10:08:39 <meCka> +rwhitby: youll have to add it i dont have access to that hehe.
Dec 30 10:09:02 <meCka> +rwhitby: isnt the firstuse app the one that allows u to setup a profile? hmm
Dec 30 10:09:18 <rwhitby> everyone has access to the wiki, and those that don't contribute by adding to it go to the end of the queue for getting help from me ....
Dec 30 10:09:26 <meCka> +rwhitby: i mean create a profile
Dec 30 10:10:24 <meCka> +rwhitby: just show me how to add it then later after i confirm it works :D
Dec 30 10:14:21 <meCka> +rwhitby:  i got this error now http://bit.ly/8n32xv
Dec 30 10:14:39 <meCka> +rwhitby: i think i have to comment out the INSTALL_SSH_KEYS
Dec 30 10:20:57 <noaXess> hi all.
Dec 30 10:21:08 <noaXess> is 1.3.5 available or not?
Dec 30 10:21:29 <meCka> noaXess: yes sprint pixi/pre
Dec 30 10:22:05 <noaXess> on O2 in germany? or switzerland orange?
Dec 30 10:23:34 <noaXess> i bought my pre in germany but i'm living in switzerland.. the first 1.3.1 update worked in orange switzerland network, will 1.3.5 also work?
Dec 30 10:24:20 <rwhitby> noaXess: I'm expecting the WR 1.3.5 update to work on a German Pre operating in Australia ...
Dec 30 10:24:39 <noaXess> ??
Dec 30 10:24:47 <noaXess> WR?
Dec 30 10:24:54 <rwhitby> world release
Dec 30 10:25:05 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 30 10:25:08 <noaXess> aha.. when is it available?
Dec 30 10:25:30 <rwhitby> no-one know
Dec 30 10:25:31 <rwhitby> s
Dec 30 10:26:00 <noaXess> so it will works over the update app on pre?
Dec 30 10:26:28 <meCka> now  i need to find a way to get that patched file on my windows desktop and out of VirtualBox
Dec 30 10:31:38 <nfoxTc> hows mytether work with 1.3.5?
Dec 30 12:23:22 <bsm> hm, how do I access IMAP folders _above_ the INBOX with the mail app? when I specify no root folder I only get the mails from Inbox and a "virtual" outgoing folder, when I specify INBOX as root folder I get the folders below inbox at least, How do I get all folders?
Dec 30 12:25:14 <bsm> ups sorry, should have asked in #webos
Dec 30 12:40:28 <Suruat> morning yall
Dec 30 14:29:37 <chris_____> Hi
Dec 30 14:29:46 <Suruat> hello
Dec 30 14:29:51 <chris_____> I already configured my openSSH and it's working with WIFI
Dec 30 14:30:13 <chris_____> how can i reconfigurate it to use EVDO
Dec 30 14:48:25 <bpadalino> for backing up text messages and other stuff in the PalmDatabase.db3 - is it really a file copy that should be done, or is it better to dump the db and then reimport the db so it isn't just replacing a newly started db after a doctor ?
Dec 30 14:50:25 <elpollodiablo1> what do you mean by better? easier would be a file copy, which is better for some people
Dec 30 14:51:18 <elpollodiablo1> I dont believe either aproach would cause any problems.
Dec 30 14:59:18 <lordbah> So the sequence to follow is: EPR, power cycle, update to 1.3.5, EMH, wait 30 minutes, reinstall 1.3.5-compatible patches?
Dec 30 15:02:24 <lordbah> I guess Europe is still asleep.
Dec 30 15:02:27 <bpadalino> elpollodiablo1: not sure if there is other data in the db that may be specific towards each reinstall of webos .. or replacing the db while the phone is running versus just reimporting things into the db
Dec 30 15:05:17 <ird> I still can't connect to git.webosinternals.org :(
Dec 30 15:07:08 <jettero> installing 1.3.5
Dec 30 15:07:11 <jettero> how exciting
Dec 30 15:10:08 <elpollodiablo1> bpadalino: reimporting things into the db would take awhile because there are ~ 100 tables, and you would have to go through and figure out what tables not to import, and from the mediadb.db3 I have deleted/replaced it while the phone is running and that had no affect, but the data was not used by the phone till after a restart, I think the same thing would happen with an import of the data
Dec 30 15:11:42 <bpadalino> so the replace PalmDatabase.db3 method then reboot seems to work reliably? there definitely are a crazy amount of tables in there
Dec 30 15:11:55 <alkos333> I reverted to 1.3.1 for now..
Dec 30 15:12:09 <alkos333> Tethering stopped working with 1.3.5
Dec 30 15:14:59 <alkos333> So basically, how do I use preware package to set up the same thing that  optware-bootstrap-manual.sh script doees?
Dec 30 15:16:02 <elpollodiablo1> bpadalino: if you were planning on dumping the whole DB then reimporting the whole thing it would be better to just copy the file over.
Dec 30 15:17:11 <bpadalino> thanks
Dec 30 15:21:07 * nt4cats yawns
Dec 30 15:21:47 <ebala> my preware is not working
Dec 30 15:22:28 <ebala> I juat did a webos update now I'm getting a error when I tryin using preware
Dec 30 15:22:31 <lordbah> Update is downloading so very slowly. Sprint must be swamped.
Dec 30 15:23:24 <elpollodiablo1> bpadalino: make sure the backed up PalmDatabase.db3  is from the same version as you are restoring it to.
Dec 30 15:24:03 <ebala> how do I check that?
Dec 30 15:29:20 <Ron001> Preware runs the "Fixing Unknown Packages" every time I start it.  Is it supposed to do that?
Dec 30 15:31:16 <en0x> Ron001, yes
Dec 30 15:31:24 <en0x> Ron001, u can disable it in preware
Dec 30 15:32:15 <Ron001> en0x: thanks. I will if there is no reason to keep it active.  I also noticed none of the patches I installed with Preware show up in WEBOSQI.
Dec 30 15:32:44 <ebala> I'm getting a feed error when I try to run pre ware after updating webos if the a solution?
Dec 30 15:33:52 <alkos333> I wish the updates weren't so distructive.
Dec 30 15:34:08 <alkos333> *destructive
Dec 30 15:34:28 <en0x> what u expect?
Dec 30 15:34:47 <en0x> palm don't support homebrew... they dont have anything against it but they dont support it
Dec 30 15:34:57 <en0x> so why should they care if something from homebrew breaks?
Dec 30 15:35:26 <Rick_work> alkos333  Palm works with us as closely as they can
Dec 30 15:35:32 <Rick_work> we get pre-release versions
Dec 30 15:35:44 <Rick_work> we get great access to upper Palm tech staff.
Dec 30 15:35:58 <Rick_work> we get pretty much as much as we could.  The updates are what they are.
Dec 30 15:36:20 <en0x> yeah that the beauty of adoptin early software
Dec 30 15:36:21 <en0x> :)
Dec 30 15:37:11 <alkos333> en0x: They shouldn't - it's called wishful thinking :)
Dec 30 15:43:35 <jettero> pfft, my accounts are all screwed up after the update... (preware doesn't seem to work either)...
Dec 30 15:45:11 <BoBoYsDaDDa> anyone ever played with slackware?
Dec 30 15:45:55 <REA> Does anyone have a touchstone that works?
Dec 30 15:45:59 <en0x> i do
Dec 30 15:46:01 <en0x> ;]
Dec 30 15:46:49 <REA> so am I right to assume that constantly playing a notifcation charge when it is 100% is not how it is inteded to operate?
Dec 30 15:47:13 <REA> notifcation sound*
Dec 30 15:47:18 <en0x> take it to sprint to exchange it
Dec 30 15:47:19 <lordbah> Wow that would be annoying
Dec 30 15:47:46 <REA> yea, espcially since doing that actually discharges the Pre, so in the morning, I have a dead phone.
Dec 30 15:47:48 <Rick_work> REA  what notification???
Dec 30 15:48:06 <en0x> charging battery sound
Dec 30 15:48:10 <REA> just the regular 'bing-bong' to indicate that it is charging
Dec 30 15:48:11 <en0x> even if its 100% charged
Dec 30 15:48:35 <REA> oddly there is a high-pitched elecrical noise that eminates from the TS base when this happens too.
Dec 30 15:48:45 <REA> electrical*
Dec 30 15:49:07 <Rick_work> that is definitely not normal.  But it shouldn't discharge.
Dec 30 15:49:17 <en0x> broken TS
Dec 30 15:49:19 <Rick_work> What that implies then is that your ts is malfunctioning
Dec 30 15:49:21 <en0x> take it to exchange
Dec 30 15:49:41 <REA> I bought it from precentral.net, do you think Sprint would swap it for me?
Dec 30 15:49:42 <Rick_work> it's connecting then shutting off then connecting then shutting off as it
Dec 30 15:49:55 <en0x> REA, i doont think so
Dec 30 15:50:12 <REA> crap...maybe I have to call Palm then
Dec 30 15:50:25 <Rick_work> email precentral
Dec 30 15:50:32 <Rick_work> they'll be stand up guys
Dec 30 15:51:27 <REA> ok, I will do that probably.  Thanks
Dec 30 15:51:50 <en0x> i think i will go see avatar today
Dec 30 15:51:56 <REA> Kind of wanted to give Palm a hard time tho...I did a partial erase yesterday and many of my contacts were not restored.
Dec 30 15:52:12 <en0x> thats why i use google contacts
Dec 30 15:52:12 <en0x> ;)
Dec 30 15:52:23 <en0x> never lost any contact yet
Dec 30 15:52:42 <en0x> i wonder if google have backups of emails/contacts etc
Dec 30 15:52:54 <REA> good idea, I need to sync these w/ my google acct.  It was only the #'s that transferred over from my old phone that were lost, they probably only existed in my palm profile.
Dec 30 15:53:42 <REA> en0x, definitely go see Avatar.  It was epic.  Unlike anything I've ever seen.
Dec 30 15:54:41 <rballa> why is my pre ware not working after getting the new web os update
Dec 30 15:56:21 <jettero> s it can't find ipkg.preware.org or something like that
Dec 30 15:56:33 <jettero> I may look into it further, but that's not really my biggest problem with the update so far
Dec 30 15:56:44 <jettero> my contacts and calendar accounts don't work, and I can't remove or add them...
Dec 30 15:56:51 <jettero> my loadavg is 58 and wifi won't work
Dec 30 15:57:10 <jettero> (not 5.8, 58 -- curiously, the OS responds acceptably well)
Dec 30 15:58:02 <rballa> mins is saying cannot read property length of undefinded
Dec 30 15:59:00 <jettero> I can't get mine to shutdown either.  It just *palm* glows forever...
Dec 30 15:59:04 <en0x> its been all over
Dec 30 15:59:08 <en0x> to reinstall the preware
Dec 30 15:59:10 <jettero> not really thrilled by this update so far
Dec 30 16:00:15 <atlanta> jettero: why not its ground work
Dec 30 16:00:23 <atlanta> jettero: shows the potential
Dec 30 16:00:36 <atlanta> im going to port that canvas 3d demo to webos app tonigh
Dec 30 16:00:49 <jettero> atlanta: I don't understand your question (or comment)
Dec 30 16:01:05 <atlanta> u said your are not thrilled
Dec 30 16:01:14 <atlanta> i said why not this update laid ground work
Dec 30 16:01:19 <atlanta> shows the potential of the phone
Dec 30 16:01:24 <jettero> I saw what you said, it makes no sense to me
Dec 30 16:01:28 <atlanta> sorry about my losey typing
Dec 30 16:01:40 <atlanta> oh then i cant help you past that  lol
Dec 30 16:01:46 <atlanta> re-read it maybe
Dec 30 16:02:06 <jettero> that won't help... "why not this update laid ground work" doesn't make sense in English
Dec 30 16:02:28 <atlanta> why not, this update laid ground work for future advances
Dec 30 16:02:32 <atlanta> did the , help ?
Dec 30 16:02:58 <jettero> oh, I can decode it now.  Not the comma, the rest of the sentence
Dec 30 16:03:07 <atlanta> oh ok
Dec 30 16:03:09 <atlanta> sorry
Dec 30 16:03:10 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 30 16:03:12 <atlanta> same page now
Dec 30 16:04:18 <jettero> k, then in answer to your question: I'm not thrilled by the update because my phone is broken
Dec 30 16:05:43 <jettero> I might even have to do the webos doctor thing...
Dec 30 16:06:00 <jettero> never had to do that before, not really thrilled by the idea either
Dec 30 16:08:06 <Rick_work> in what way is your phone broken ?
Dec 30 16:08:50 <jettero> my contacts and calendar accounts don't work.  My calendar account disappeared, my contacts account doesn't have a default (odd)
Dec 30 16:08:56 <jettero> wifi won't connect and can't be turned off
Dec 30 16:09:09 <jettero> my load average is 58 (not 5.8, 58) and ... most recently, I can't shutdown or restart my phone
Dec 30 16:09:24 <jettero> I'm willing to accept some kind of hardware failure, but it did happen right after the update so ...
Dec 30 16:09:37 <dsevil> poke a hole in the side to let the pressure out.
Dec 30 16:10:03 <dsevil> you'll hear a hissing noise; that's normal.
Dec 30 16:10:05 <jettero> I figure something is blocking (in the syscall sense) because even thought he loadavg is 58, the phone is still fairly responsive
Dec 30 16:10:18 <jettero> er... was
Dec 30 16:10:29 <jettero> I let it try shutting down for more than 40 minutes before I finally removed the battery
Dec 30 16:10:39 <jettero> now it won't finish the bootcycle either (another 40 minutes)
Dec 30 16:10:46 <jettero> I predict a full restore coming
Dec 30 16:12:17 * BoBoYsDaDDa had to doctor twice to get the update to take properly
Dec 30 16:12:39 <jettero> BoBoYsDaDDa: you mean 1.3.5?
Dec 30 16:12:44 <BoBoYsDaDDa> yes
Dec 30 16:12:49 <jettero> k, least I'm not alone on this
Dec 30 16:12:57 <jettero> does the doctor erase your media/internal?
Dec 30 16:13:19 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i dunno haven't looked to see if pictures were still ther
Dec 30 16:13:51 <egaudet_work> I believe the 1.3.1 doctor stopped erasing /media/internal
Dec 30 16:14:12 <BoBoYsDaDDa> pictures are still there after doctoring twice so i would say it doesn't delete /media/internal
Dec 30 16:14:30 <BoBoYsDaDDa> just make sure u have the latest doctor
Dec 30 16:14:35 <BoBoYsDaDDa> don't use the 1.2.1
Dec 30 16:14:59 <jettero> yeah, it's not going to boot
Dec 30 16:15:05 <BoBoYsDaDDa> did they release 1.3.5 last night
Dec 30 16:15:09 <BoBoYsDaDDa> doctor i mean
Dec 30 16:15:28 <jettero> I'm going to go ahead and pull the battery
Dec 30 16:15:36 * BoBoYsDaDDa cringes
Dec 30 16:15:37 <jettero> if I can't get past the palm logo on boot, can I still web doctor?
Dec 30 16:15:59 <BoBoYsDaDDa> depends on how far into booting it does go i guess
Dec 30 16:16:29 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i know u can at the very beginning but at like the 2nd cycle it disconnects from the computer for a second then reconnects on like the 3rd cycle
Dec 30 16:16:55 <BoBoYsDaDDa> btw cycle is my word and in no way technical
Dec 30 16:17:25 <Rick_work> jettero  how long have you had it at the palm logo.
Dec 30 16:17:36 <Rick_work> 1.3.5 can take a half-hour to boot the first time.
Dec 30 16:17:44 <jettero> it installed, and I had a working desktop
Dec 30 16:17:52 <jettero> but I had the loadavg of 58, so I tried to reboot it
Dec 30 16:17:52 <Rick_work> jettero  if you can get to the palm desktop you can doctor
Dec 30 16:18:00 <jettero> it never really shutdown right after waiting 40 minutes
Dec 30 16:18:13 <Rick_work> jettero  it was in the process of moving app to the /media/internal space.
Dec 30 16:18:22 <Rick_work> that can take as much as an hour-and-a-half.
Dec 30 16:18:25 <jettero> you mean after boot?
Dec 30 16:18:27 <Rick_work> after the first boot.
Dec 30 16:18:32 <jettero> after you get a working desktop?
Dec 30 16:18:34 <Rick_work> yep
Dec 30 16:18:42 <Rick_work> one app by one
Dec 30 16:18:42 <jettero> they should really give some feedback that that's what it's doing then
Dec 30 16:18:47 <Rick_work> yep
Dec 30 16:18:50 <jettero> so I pretty much screwed up my phone
Dec 30 16:18:51 <jettero> :)
Dec 30 16:18:57 <lordbah> I am 75 minutes into my update so far. It just rebooted again. Going to leave it alone until home screen finally appears, the battery goes dead, or six hours pass.
Dec 30 16:19:01 <jettero> I wonder if I can get in over the usbnet and fix it
Dec 30 16:19:09 <jettero> regardless, my accounts are all screwed up too
Dec 30 16:19:19 <jettero> I think it's going to be easier to doctor... if I can get it to work
Dec 30 16:19:32 <Rick_work> you can.  No big deal.  You know the dance?
Dec 30 16:19:39 <jettero> not at all
Dec 30 16:19:41 <jettero> but I just downlaoded it
Dec 30 16:19:44 <jettero> it's 1.3.1 though
Dec 30 16:19:48 <jettero> do you knwo where the 1.3.5 is?
Dec 30 16:20:08 <Rick_work> it's ok, you WANT 131
Dec 30 16:20:11 <Rick_work> first.
Dec 30 16:20:14 <jettero> really?
Dec 30 16:20:17 <Rick_work> well
Dec 30 16:20:18 <jettero> then run the 1.3.5 update?
Dec 30 16:20:21 <Rick_work> it's complex.
Dec 30 16:20:25 <Rick_work> here's the thing
Dec 30 16:20:32 <jettero> I don't like you right now, but I appreciate the help. :)
Dec 30 16:20:41 <jettero> "complex" sounds yucky
Dec 30 16:20:45 <BoBoYsDaDDa> what an ass
Dec 30 16:20:46 <Rick_work> do you have any contacts in your palm profile or do you use google as your primary???/
Dec 30 16:20:52 <jettero> google
Dec 30 16:20:56 <Rick_work> oh then nevermind
Dec 30 16:20:59 <jettero> good
Dec 30 16:21:02 <Rick_work> go ahead and do 135
Dec 30 16:21:22 <jettero> cool, where do you get it?
Dec 30 16:21:47 <Rick_work> if you doctor and upgrade at the same time, it's "bad"  because you may lose all the contacts in your palm profile.
Dec 30 16:22:08 <jettero> yeah, that doesn't bother me, obviously.  But I can only find 1.3.1
Dec 30 16:24:03 <Rick_work> jettero  only 131 pre or 132 pixi out so far,  unless you want the beta (you don't want the beta, trust me)
Dec 30 16:24:08 <Rick_work> we expect it later today.
Dec 30 16:24:15 <jettero> oh... it booted
Dec 30 16:24:20 <jettero> that's most unexpected
Dec 30 16:24:23 <Rick_work> yippee!!!!!!!
Dec 30 16:24:33 <jettero> only took like 8 minutes too
Dec 30 16:24:45 <jettero> it's not really yippie...
Dec 30 16:24:49 <Rick_work> As I said, we've seen it take a half-hour.
Dec 30 16:24:53 <jettero> my calendar (et al) still doesn't work
Dec 30 16:24:58 <Rick_work> oh
Dec 30 16:24:59 <Rick_work> oops
Dec 30 16:25:03 <ird> Okay, so now just my computer can't see the git. My pre can..
Dec 30 16:26:46 <jettero> and the wifi won't work and the loadavg is climbing back up to 58
Dec 30 16:27:08 <jettero> you can't turn off the wifi and never finds any of the miriad radio APs in the neighbrhood
Dec 30 16:27:29 <ird> nevermind... chrome is just a pos.
Dec 30 16:27:38 <jettero> I think I'll still webos doctor
Dec 30 16:28:36 <lordbah> Hmm. Upgrade finished but I can't ssh in. I mean "No route to host", not just that the password got erased by the upgrade as usual.
Dec 30 16:31:44 <elpollodiablo1> Do updates normally cause this many problems?
Dec 30 16:32:00 <lordbah> Turning wifi off and back on fixed the "No route to host" issue.
Dec 30 16:33:56 <oil> elpollodiablo1: never
Dec 30 16:34:11 <oil> this one was just making a lot more major changes then any of the others
Dec 30 16:35:28 <lordbah> I thought Preware had all the issues fixed. I upgraded Package Manager Service just before the update, after doing an Update Feeds, so I should have the latest. But post-update starting Preware gets the "OnFeeds Error, Type Error: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined". I guess I didn't wait long enough for all the issues to get sorted.
Dec 30 16:35:55 <elpollodiablo1> oh alright I have not upgraded yet, but my pre is almost stock, with a few minor had done patches. no homebrews. so I dont think I will have any problems
Dec 30 16:36:43 <jettero> yeah, I think all these problems are a coincidence.  I think the radio died on my wifi or something
Dec 30 16:37:14 <jettero> because that can't be started or stopped without blocking forever and if you go to the terminal and "ip addr show" it blocks forever -- also why my load goes up to 58 no doubt
Dec 30 16:37:30 <jettero> also why it can't shutdown
Dec 30 16:38:14 <navinag_> oil: egaudet_work: rwhitby:  I seem to have an issue with preware seening my existing apps.  Everything seems to be migrated and I see all my apps in the App catalog and my launcher...However, Preware will not see them unless i reinstall them....How does preware query installed apps?
Dec 30 16:38:55 <egaudet_work> navinag_: give example of app
Dec 30 16:39:10 <egaudet_work> I believe probably the app catalog still sees apps in /var, preware does not.
Dec 30 16:39:21 <egaudet_work> The migration probably hasn't succeeded for those apps
Dec 30 16:39:44 <egaudet_work> you want to run EMH and then when it restarts luna they will be migrated
Dec 30 16:39:46 <navinag_> any homebrew or app catalog app....ie friendsflow.
Dec 30 16:40:29 <navinag_> egaudet_work:  I have not apps in /var they are all in /media/apps/usr/palm/applications
Dec 30 16:40:41 <egaudet_work> so /var/usr/palm/applications is empty?
Dec 30 16:40:47 <navinag_> egaudet_work:  I think the migration ran
Dec 30 16:40:50 <egaudet_work> ipkg -o /var list_installed returns what?
Dec 30 16:40:53 <ird> How high are the chances that meta-doctor will mess up my modem?
Dec 30 16:42:16 <navinag_> egaudet_work: it has a bunch of apps....There in var is it looking ?
Dec 30 16:42:24 <atlanta> any body knows what git repo the sources to the get.preware.org apps are
Dec 30 16:42:25 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 16:42:34 <navinag_> egaudet_work: where in var is it looking
Dec 30 16:43:34 <egaudet_work> where in var is what looking?  and what has a bunch of apps?
Dec 30 16:44:17 <egaudet_work> well /var/usr/lib/ipkg/ contains all the ipkg data for the installed on /var apps.         what does ipkg -o /var list_installed have and what is in /var/usr/palm/applications?
Dec 30 16:44:25 <navinag_> egaudet_work: ipkg -o /var list_installed shows all the apps
Dec 30 16:44:26 <egaudet_work> have you already installed EMH?
Dec 30 16:44:30 <navinag_> yes
Dec 30 16:44:45 <navinag_> egaudet_work: should I rerun it
Dec 30 16:44:58 <egaudet_work> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep friendsflow
Dec 30 16:45:14 <egaudet_work> do you see friendsflow in your list of apps from the -o /var run?
Dec 30 16:46:41 <navinag_> egaudet_work: yes
Dec 30 16:46:52 <egaudet_work> then it wasn't migrated
Dec 30 16:47:05 <atlanta> found it
Dec 30 16:47:10 <navinag_> egaudet_work: yes it is in /var and /media/
Dec 30 16:47:27 <egaudet_work> you reinstalled it to media
Dec 30 16:47:30 <egaudet_work> but it wasn't migrated
Dec 30 16:47:46 <navinag_> so sshould i rerun emh
Dec 30 16:47:48 <egaudet_work> I'm assuming
Dec 30 16:47:49 <navinag_> will that fix it?
Dec 30 16:47:59 <egaudet_work> preware does NOT see friendsflow?
Dec 30 16:48:08 <navinag_> correct
Dec 30 16:48:16 <egaudet_work> even in "unknown"
Dec 30 16:48:16 <navinag_> so it will nevet get updated
Dec 30 16:48:22 <navinag_> correct
Dec 30 16:48:33 <egaudet_work> is friendsflow app cat or homebrew?
Dec 30 16:48:40 <navinag_> homebrew
Dec 30 16:48:51 <navinag_> i have similar issues with apps cat stuff as weell
Dec 30 16:48:55 <egaudet_work> so you can find it to install in prewawre?
Dec 30 16:49:01 <navinag_> it does not show up in prewareas unknown as before
Dec 30 16:49:04 <egaudet_work> so did you install it via preware in 1.3.5?
Dec 30 16:49:16 <navinag_> i reinstalled
Dec 30 16:49:17 <lordbah> That's weird. I orange tapped to delete Preware, got the confirm dialog, touched Delete .. and now seeing the glowing Palm logo on black background and it says "Updating".
Dec 30 16:49:30 <dsevil> friendsflow is in the app catalog as well, i believe
Dec 30 16:49:33 <navinag_> but existing apps have that symptom that i have not reinstalled
Dec 30 16:49:44 <navinag_> we can pick another app
Dec 30 16:49:47 <navinag_> ahhmmm
Dec 30 16:49:48 <egaudet_work> ok let's pick another
Dec 30 16:50:19 <navinag_> Here is a bit of info
Dec 30 16:50:34 <navinag_> I had mvap installed and ran the mvapp postupd
Dec 30 16:50:51 <lordbah> Now it's back up. Preware did not get deleted. Think it may have been some automated restart which hit at just the wrong time.
Dec 30 16:50:54 <navinag_> the apps that were linked to media are the one that do not show up in preware
Dec 30 16:51:06 <navinag_> the ones that were on /var ar fine and show up in preware
Dec 30 16:51:15 <egaudet_work> when did you run postupd?
Dec 30 16:51:24 <egaudet_work> before or after EMH
Dec 30 16:51:29 <navinag_> after
Dec 30 16:51:43 <egaudet_work> then none of those were probably migrated
Dec 30 16:51:59 <egaudet_work> did you restart luna since running postupd?
Dec 30 16:52:04 <navinag_> ok...so will running emh now fix that?
Dec 30 16:52:19 <egaudet_work> the migration most likely failed due to sym links (from mvapp)
Dec 30 16:52:28 <egaudet_work> you can run emh and restart luna now and see if you get everything migrated
Dec 30 16:52:36 <navinag_> ok
Dec 30 16:52:39 <navinag_> i will try  that
Dec 30 16:55:13 <flare576> o/  I'm getting ready to install 1.3.5, but have re-partitioned my phone, so I'm going to WebOS doctor it today.  Since I'm not bricked or anything, I'm trying to backup as much info as I can.  Do we have a resource for something like "what to backup to make your phone feel more like home after a visit to the Doctor"?
Dec 30 16:56:00 <Abyssul_wIRC> howdy
Dec 30 16:56:06 <flare576> 'ello
Dec 30 16:57:25 <jettero> anyone know of a way to trick the phone into going into usb-drive-mode?  it can't autosense the usb connection because it's way jacked up
Dec 30 16:58:13 <jettero> yeah, taht's a lost cause, nm
Dec 30 16:58:21 <elpollodiablo1> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send
Dec 30 16:58:24 <jettero> I'd really like to get some things off of there, but it's just not going to happen
Dec 30 16:58:58 <flare576> additionally, have you installed dropbear or openssh?
Dec 30 16:59:07 <jettero> yes I have
Dec 30 16:59:17 <jettero> but they don't work because the network devices block forever
Dec 30 16:59:24 <elpollodiablo1> jettero: there is a luna send command in the link might work for you.
Dec 30 16:59:32 <flare576> then you could also connect up to a remote server and just dump whatever you'd like
Dec 30 16:59:44 <jettero> no, network blocks forever
Dec 30 16:59:55 <jettero> if I try to use the network (even ip addr show) then the terminal locks up and I have to reboot again
Dec 30 17:00:03 <egaudet_work> jettero: why not just novacom it
Dec 30 17:00:11 <jettero> not in dev mode... I could try it
Dec 30 17:00:20 <destinal> you know, I think there's a need for an application that can, from recovery mode, dump a backup of a pre.  (so no OS required)
Dec 30 17:00:25 <egaudet_work> novaterm in, tar up your /media/internal, then novacom get the tarball
Dec 30 17:00:45 <jettero> yeah, that might do...
Dec 30 17:00:58 <jettero> ugh
Dec 30 17:01:06 <jettero> universal search isn't hearing my keystrokes
Dec 30 17:01:10 <jettero> I think I have to try another reboot
Dec 30 17:01:25 <egaudet_work> destinal: in recovery mode, does it just stop at bootie?
Dec 30 17:02:08 <destinal> egaudet_work: it's bootie, yeah
Dec 30 17:02:47 <flare576> I just finished copying /var to /media/internal/, and I'm going to copy off everythign from that dir and do the built-in "Backup" thing... is there anythign else I can grab to ensure my game scores, contacts, emails, messages, etc. all get moved after Doctor?
Dec 30 17:03:28 <destinal> egaudet_work: since slave disk mode is apparently removed from production pre's, it may be necessary to actually boot some code to dump the disk over USB
Dec 30 17:03:35 <flare576> sorry to ask the question, but I've gone my entire Pre life thus far doing everything in my power to avoid WebOS doctor...
Dec 30 17:04:58 <egaudet_work> destinal: recovery mode always works with novacom right?  no special dev mode stuff
Dec 30 17:06:00 <lordbah> Damn. After remove and WOSQI install of Preware, still getting the OnFeeds Error.
Dec 30 17:06:14 <egaudet_work> restart luna
Dec 30 17:06:26 <egaudet_work> did you reinstall the pacakge manager service?  Not just preware
Dec 30 17:06:41 <jtrucks> lordbah: I had to restart and update the package manager service
Dec 30 17:06:47 <jtrucks> but looks like egaudet_work is way ahead of me.
Dec 30 17:06:55 <lordbah> I updated it to the latest this morning before the update. I have to remove/install PMS again anyway?
Dec 30 17:07:02 <jtrucks> so, is there a way to tell the keyboard to backlight while using Messaging?
Dec 30 17:07:29 <jtrucks> oka, I switched out of Messaging and back, and NOW it's backlit.
Dec 30 17:07:32 * jtrucks shrugs
Dec 30 17:07:34 <destinal> egaudet_work: well, it's the second phase in the doctor process.  the doctor uses novacom to tellbootie to restart in recovery mode, and then continues from there.   if you have the device already in recovery mode, it skips the first step
Dec 30 17:07:50 <destinal> not sure the low level protocol used
Dec 30 17:11:39 <Abyssul_wIRC> isn't there a new keyboard command to put the pre in usb mode?
Dec 30 17:11:49 <Abyssul_wIRC> like sym orange U?
Dec 30 17:13:31 <destinal> Abyssul_wIRC: oh, is there?  I hadn't heard
Dec 30 17:13:55 <jettero> fuck, webos doctor couldn't find my phone, so I tried restarting it... it's downloading itself all over again
Dec 30 17:13:58 <jettero> I hate java
Dec 30 17:14:00 <Abyssul_wIRC> I thought it was added in 1.3.1
Dec 30 17:14:24 <Abyssul_wIRC> since putting it in usb required touchscreen, they decided to fix that
Dec 30 17:14:28 <flare576> Abyssul_wIRC: so says the forums yup
Dec 30 17:14:40 <Abyssul_wIRC> never tested it out
Dec 30 17:14:47 <jettero> well, if my phone boots again, I'll try that
Dec 30 17:15:10 <Abyssul_wIRC> Try searching "blazer" in universal search :)
Dec 30 17:15:12 <egaudet_work> downloading itself all over again?
Dec 30 17:15:15 <jettero> yeah
Dec 30 17:15:15 <flare576> nor have I, but  that question lead me to the answers I need for backup :D
Dec 30 17:15:33 <egaudet_work> i don't understand?
Dec 30 17:15:39 <jettero> I have the jnlp file on my desktop.  I clicked it and it ran through various steps, but the os was so frozen it wouldn't find it
Dec 30 17:15:56 <jettero> I tried rebooting the phone and it still wouldn't find the phone,so I closed the doctor and reclicked the jnlp file
Dec 30 17:16:01 <jettero> it's downloading the doctor again
Dec 30 17:16:04 <jettero> 10 more minutes
Dec 30 17:16:18 <egaudet_work> oh I just use the jar directly
Dec 30 17:16:23 <Abyssul_wIRC> same
Dec 30 17:16:26 <jettero> makes sense
Dec 30 17:16:29 <jettero> where do you get that?
Dec 30 17:16:37 <jettero> I just went through the palm screens...
Dec 30 17:16:45 <Abyssul_wIRC> there's a palm link
Dec 30 17:17:02 <Abyssul_wIRC> search the precentral articles for it
Dec 30 17:17:05 <jettero> Yeah, I just found a multipage form that asked for my serial number and then resulted in a jnlp file
Dec 30 17:17:08 <lordbah> I did not reinstall PMS. Luna restart did not fix OnFeeds Error problem. Full restart of phone did. So far anyway.
Dec 30 17:17:29 <egaudet_work> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 30 17:17:50 <egaudet_work> lordbah: reinstalling PMS is required
Dec 30 17:17:54 <egaudet_work> that is the fix
Dec 30 17:18:25 <egaudet_work> it needs to be installed into the new app area, it can't be migrated properly
Dec 30 17:18:36 <ird> Meta doctor was successful :D
Dec 30 17:18:44 <ird> Now to restore my backed up db...
Dec 30 17:19:06 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: ping
Dec 30 17:19:07 <jettero> what is metadoctor?
Dec 30 17:19:17 <flare576> hey ird, I think you and I are going through the same thing atm :)
Dec 30 17:19:25 <destinal> Abyssul_wIRC: yup, orange+sym+u  does work  (if done after USB plugged in)
Dec 30 17:19:28 <PuffTheMagic> MetaDoctor java gui is coming along nicely
Dec 30 17:19:34 <navinag_> egaudet_work: that did not work
Dec 30 17:19:36 <ird> jettero: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Dec 30 17:19:39 <Abyssul_wIRC> well yea
Dec 30 17:20:13 <flare576> I take that back, you and I are not working on the same thing lol
Dec 30 17:20:26 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: metadoctor java gui... explain?
Dec 30 17:20:43 <egaudet_work> navinag_: did you get the screen "system updating" or whatever after luna restart?
Dec 30 17:20:44 <destinal> Abyssul_wIRC: interestingly, eject from the PC now causes my pre to return from mass storage mode to normal UI without unplugging USB cable
Dec 30 17:20:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: yeah someone last night said the would pay money for a gui version of MetaDoctor ;)
Dec 30 17:20:53 <destinal> used to be I had to unplugged
Dec 30 17:20:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i said i would make it ;)
Dec 30 17:21:01 <navinag_> egaudet:_work: nope
Dec 30 17:21:13 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: no need for git, or linux now
Dec 30 17:21:34 <egaudet_work> nice
Dec 30 17:21:37 <Abyssul_wIRC> destinal: it's always been like that
Dec 30 17:21:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> for as long as I remember
Dec 30 17:21:54 <destinal> hmm, guess my pre had problems befoer
Dec 30 17:21:59 <destinal> s/oer/ore/
Dec 30 17:22:01 <jettero> yeah, going all the way back, I agree
Dec 30 17:22:01 <infobot> destinal meant: hmm, guess my pre had problems before
Dec 30 17:22:03 <flare576> Abyssul_wIRC: destinal : I believe it was since the last patch
Dec 30 17:22:05 <navinag_> egaudet_work: so what now?
Dec 30 17:22:06 <egaudet_work> navinag_: can you bring Luna to the forefront and see where the migration error happens
Dec 30 17:22:12 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: its gonna be uber AM friendly wizard style
Dec 30 17:22:32 <navinag_> egaudet_work: how do I do that...?
Dec 30 17:22:36 <PuffTheMagic> and u can use and existing jar or have the gui fetch the jar
Dec 30 17:22:36 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic loves AM!
Dec 30 17:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> and u can save your setup to a config file ;)
Dec 30 17:22:59 <egaudet_work> sounds awesome
Dec 30 17:23:04 <egaudet_work> navinag_: novaterm or ssh in
Dec 30 17:23:06 <egaudet_work> and then
Dec 30 17:23:14 <egaudet_work> stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr
Dec 30 17:23:25 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i am there
Dec 30 17:23:32 <egaudet_work> then pastebin the output and I'll check it out
Dec 30 17:23:35 <navinag_> egaudet_work: iwhat do you want me to look at
Dec 30 17:23:55 <navinag_> egaudet_work: a log file somwehere?
Dec 30 17:24:23 <egaudet_work> copy/paste it to webos.pastebin.com or your favorite pastebin
Dec 30 17:25:13 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i think i am getting mixed up  in a few conversations
Dec 30 17:25:25 <navinag_> egaudet_work: what do you want me to do?
Dec 30 17:25:34 <egaudet_work> are you novaterm'd in?
Dec 30 17:27:01 <egaudet_work> type:
Dec 30 17:27:07 <egaudet_work> stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr
Dec 30 17:27:25 <Abyssul_wIRC> or pkill LunaSysMgr
Dec 30 17:28:47 <egaudet_work> Abyssul_wIRC: NO
Dec 30 17:29:03 <Abyssul_wIRC> YES
Dec 30 17:29:05 <egaudet_work> NO
Dec 30 17:29:11 <egaudet_work> pkill doesn't bring it to the foreground
Dec 30 17:29:12 <Abyssul_wIRC> why not? :)
Dec 30 17:29:13 <navinag_> egaudet_work: ok i see the stdout flyinh by
Dec 30 17:29:14 <egaudet_work> we aren't trying to restart it
Dec 30 17:29:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> oh ok
Dec 30 17:29:25 <navinag_> egaudet_work: what should i be looking for
Dec 30 17:29:26 <egaudet_work> navinag_: copy paste all that to pastebin for me
Dec 30 17:29:37 <egaudet_work> there will be a big section with app migration stuff early on
Dec 30 17:30:02 <destinal> Abyssul_wIRC: he was getting upstart to stop it so he could run it in the foreground (and thus look at stdout / stderr)
Dec 30 17:30:18 <Abyssul_wIRC> when I add a url link to the app launcher, where is it saved?
Dec 30 17:30:37 <destinal> Abyssul_wIRC: notice the lack of "start" before LunaSysMgr after the stop, that's intentional;
Dec 30 17:30:58 <navinag_> egaudet_work: putty does not seem to capture the whole thing
Dec 30 17:31:58 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i will pipe it to a file and then grap from wscp and then paste...this will take a minute
Dec 30 17:32:06 <egaudet_work> ok
Dec 30 17:33:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> anyone?
Dec 30 17:35:18 <flare576> Abyssul_wIRC: I can't find it quickly, but isn't there a patch to remove that sprint link?
Dec 30 17:35:23 <flare576> perhaps there's a clue in the patch
Dec 30 17:35:34 <egaudet_work> does anyone use QI to drag+drop patch installation?
Dec 30 17:35:45 <Abyssul_wIRC> hmm maybe
Dec 30 17:36:05 <Abyssul_wIRC> I just have a google latitude link and I wanna change the icons for it
Dec 30 17:36:07 <navinag_> egaudet_work: ok in pastebin
Dec 30 17:36:11 <navinag_> user navinag
Dec 30 17:36:26 <egaudet_work> link
Dec 30 17:36:48 <egaudet_work> nm got it
Dec 30 17:37:07 <Abyssul_wIRC> egaudet_work: I do
Dec 30 17:37:49 <egaudet_work> navinag_: that's the entire output?
Dec 30 17:37:57 <egaudet_work> Abyssul_wIRC: have you used it on 1.3.5 yet?
Dec 30 17:38:00 <navinag_> yes
Dec 30 17:38:10 <navinag_> egaudet_work: yes
Dec 30 17:38:41 <egaudet_work> looks like a lot is missing
Dec 30 17:38:59 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i will try again
Dec 30 17:39:17 <egaudet_work> you probably are missing all stderr
Dec 30 17:39:26 <egaudet_work> if you piped only stdout to file
Dec 30 17:39:44 <navinag_> egaudet_work:I typed this "stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr | tee navinag.log"
Dec 30 17:40:13 <egaudet_work> LunaSysMgr 2>&1 | tee navinag.log
Dec 30 17:40:20 <egaudet_work> redirect stderr to stdout
Dec 30 17:40:24 <navinag_> ok
Dec 30 17:42:59 <flare576> Has anyone created/planned/whatever a WebOS equivelent of "Task Manager"?  it'd be nice to be able to see what's dicking up my resources (donno if the JRE would give you that level of detail, though)
Dec 30 17:43:36 <jettero> flare576: I sometimes run top from teh terminal ... it's always lunasysmgr
Dec 30 17:43:43 <flare576> alright, I've backed up /usr, /var/, and /opt
Dec 30 17:43:48 <jettero> because all your apps run in lunasysmgr, that's always where the problem is (usually gc afaik)
Dec 30 17:44:21 <navinag_> egaudet_work:NEW PASTEBIN POSTED
Dec 30 17:45:17 <navinag_> egaudet_work  sorry ...taking a bit longer than usual to get this stuff done... home with my 9 month twins today
Dec 30 17:46:16 <jettero> how do you run a jar of webosdoctor?
Dec 30 17:46:28 <egaudet_work> it's cool, can you link me to pastebin?  I'm not seeing it show up
Dec 30 17:47:09 <egaudet_work> jettero: what os
Dec 30 17:47:14 <jettero> linux
Dec 30 17:47:17 <jettero> or windows...
Dec 30 17:47:25 <egaudet_work> java -jar image.jar
Dec 30 17:47:26 <jettero> I have it on linux now and I'm copying to windows also
Dec 30 17:47:26 <egaudet_work> for linux
Dec 30 17:47:46 <egaudet_work> windows you can probably just double click, although may have to set it to use java if not automatically set dunno
Dec 30 17:48:41 <flare576> jettero: you also should probably ensure you're running an up-to-date JRE
Dec 30 17:49:23 <jettero> I just downloaded it during the last school semester, I suspect it's ok
Dec 30 17:49:39 <jettero> regardless, webos doctor can't seem to find my phone in windows or linux
Dec 30 17:49:57 <flare576> novacom'd
Dec 30 17:49:59 <jettero> it just sits at the "connect your phone" screen with the [next] grayed out
Dec 30 17:50:13 <flare576> what windows version?
Dec 30 17:50:15 <jettero> is novacom'd a verb or a noun in that sentence?
Dec 30 17:50:20 <jettero> xp
Dec 30 17:50:28 <flare576> lol, "You just got novacom'd"
Dec 30 17:50:48 <navinag_> egaudet_work  http://webos.pastebin.com/d56b43be0
Dec 30 17:50:54 <flare576> xp is usually straight-forward... do you have WebOS Quick install up and running?
Dec 30 17:51:21 <egaudet_work> jettero: go to recovery mode
Dec 30 17:51:30 <egaudet_work> battery out, in, hold volume up, plug in usb
Dec 30 17:51:33 <egaudet_work> doc should find it then
Dec 30 17:51:34 <flare576> I haven't used webos Doctor yet (about to...) but I think the process is similar; egaudet_work knows better
Dec 30 17:52:30 <egaudet_work> navinag_: if you run LunaSysMgr do you see anything more than what is in that pastebin?
Dec 30 17:52:32 <egaudet_work> on your screen
Dec 30 17:52:49 <navinag_> egaudet_work: nope
Dec 30 17:52:52 <egaudet_work> I'm especially looking for some app migration stuff after around line 98
Dec 30 17:53:57 <jettero> still can't find it. :)
Dec 30 17:54:02 <jettero> I'm goign to try in windows again
Dec 30 17:54:18 <jettero> on a positive note, this is the first time I've seen the huge questionmark battery logo ... thingy
Dec 30 17:54:40 <jettero> btw, I consider this a dpressing waste of vacation hours
Dec 30 17:55:00 * flare576 is on the clock ;)
Dec 30 17:55:34 <navinag_> egaudet_work: are you asking me to capture this output after immediately installing EMH
Dec 30 17:55:51 <egaudet_work> navinag_: no doesn't matter, the app migration stuff happens every single time luna starts
Dec 30 17:55:56 <flare576> actually... :: note to self, patent "clock integration into chair," so one is always "On the clock"::
Dec 30 17:57:41 <egaudet_work> I don't know, it seems odd that is the only output from LunaSysMgr.  I'll have to wait to see what happens with mine later this evening
Dec 30 17:57:50 <egaudet_work> all the s - <app> lines are apps that need to be migrated
Dec 30 17:58:00 <egaudet_work> s = <app>>
Dec 30 17:58:14 <flare576> egaudet_work: in 1.3.5?
Dec 30 17:58:40 <egaudet_work> and then after should be a bunch of lines about appMigration and stuff, but I have no idea why that's not in the output
Dec 30 17:58:49 <egaudet_work> flare576: yea
Dec 30 17:59:09 <flare576> if all goes well, I should be migrating to 1.3.5 soon if you need a comparison log
Dec 30 17:59:43 <Jack87> hola.. i been away from pre webos scene for a little while but no fear ihave returned
Dec 30 17:59:52 <flare576> WB Jack87
Dec 30 17:59:54 <ird> great...
Dec 30 18:00:05 <Jack87> installing update as we speak almost done if you need any testing let me know
Dec 30 18:01:32 <jettero> Jack87: hope your phone works after
Dec 30 18:01:36 <jettero> glhf
Dec 30 18:02:09 <Jack87> lol really jettero? what are some of the issues/hiccup people been having?
Dec 30 18:02:30 <jettero> Jack87: my phone won't work at all
Dec 30 18:02:42 <jettero> hrm, webos doctor still can't find it at all
Dec 30 18:02:49 <jettero> what do you do when that happens?
Dec 30 18:02:55 <Jack87> it looks like its botting now. i have palm pulse fingers crossed
Dec 30 18:03:08 <jettero> yeah
Dec 30 18:03:16 <Jack87> did you try to boot with volume up button pressed?
Dec 30 18:03:16 <jettero> no matter what doesn't work, don't reboot it for at least an hour
Dec 30 18:03:40 <jettero> Jack87: yeah... I got the question mark battery, but the doctor still won't find it in windows or linux
Dec 30 18:03:58 <egaudet_work> jettero: you need the big usb symbol
Dec 30 18:04:00 <Jack87> oh man thats scary shit.
Dec 30 18:04:13 <egaudet_work> unplug usb, put battery back in
Dec 30 18:04:19 <egaudet_work> hold volume up while plugging usb back in
Dec 30 18:04:22 <jacques> pull battery, wait, replace battery, plug into USB while holding volume up
Dec 30 18:04:30 <egaudet_work> should get big usb symbol indicating that it's in recovery mode
Dec 30 18:05:59 <Jack87> Giant usb symbol no question mark
Dec 30 18:06:06 <navinag_> egaudet_work: hmmmmm....i di dget the updating thingy when i first installed EMH yesterday..
Dec 30 18:06:14 <jettero> yeah, I'm not getting that... I wasn't putting the battery back
Dec 30 18:06:29 <jettero> ok, huge usb
Dec 30 18:06:33 <Jack87> ok niec
Dec 30 18:06:39 <Jack87> not try to doctor you should be okay
Dec 30 18:06:41 <egaudet_work> navinag_: that would indicate that they did migrate what it could, but those s= lines in your output indicate a ton of stuff still on /var not migrated
Dec 30 18:06:44 <Jack87> now*
Dec 30 18:07:05 <egaudet_work> how does your /var/usr/palm/applications/  dir look, are a lot of the apps there still with all their files?
Dec 30 18:07:13 <navinag_> egaudet_work: so what exactly happeng in this migration... can I manually do it?
Dec 30 18:07:28 <Jack87> now why do i want to migrate to media drive egaudet_work if the apps will still work in var
Dec 30 18:07:30 <Robi_> ooh i have  great patch idea
Dec 30 18:07:39 <egaudet_work> navinag_: I don't know, it's done by the luna binary, we can't see the source to know what exactly it's doing
Dec 30 18:07:51 <navinag_> egaudet_work: ahhhhhhhhh.
Dec 30 18:07:51 <egaudet_work> Jack87: Luna migrates it automatically
Dec 30 18:08:02 <egaudet_work> and Preware does not look in /var at all
Dec 30 18:08:06 <Jack87> the official apps right? but not homebrew?
Dec 30 18:08:14 <egaudet_work> all real apps, even homebrew apps
Dec 30 18:08:34 <Jack87> egaudet_work: oh ok... so i have no need to run the migration tool then?
Dec 30 18:08:36 <egaudet_work> things that get left/stuck in /var are advanced hombrew that aren't mojo apps like linux utilities, services etc...
Dec 30 18:08:39 <flare576> the only exception are those wil malformed (or non-existant) json files (to my understanding)
Dec 30 18:08:41 <egaudet_work> we haven't figured out the best course of action for those.
Dec 30 18:08:44 <flare576> *with malformed....
Dec 30 18:09:03 <egaudet_work> some of them that have things in /var/usr/palm/applications/ with no appinfo.json will completely stop the luna app migration process in it's tracks, and then you can't install from app catalog
Dec 30 18:09:34 <flare576> eek, didn't know that egaudet_work
Dec 30 18:09:35 <egaudet_work> the EMH fixes those apps that completely stop the app migration from working by putting in a dummy appinfo.json file.  but others that have NOTHING in /var/usr/palm/applications/ like filemgr service just kind of get left
Dec 30 18:10:50 <jettero> ok, finally
Dec 30 18:10:55 <jettero> the doctor is running
Dec 30 18:11:04 <jacques> :-)
Dec 30 18:11:05 <jettero> I'm not terribly hopeful about this fixing the problems I'm having
Dec 30 18:11:15 <jacques> :-|
Dec 30 18:11:18 <jettero> it seems more like a bad wifi radio than a bad 1.3.5 upgrade
Dec 30 18:11:49 <jacques> I wonder if wifi firmware was flashed as part of the upgrade
Dec 30 18:12:09 <jacques> now I wonder if there's a way to get the wifi firmware version
Dec 30 18:12:17 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i have not apps in /var/usr/palm/applications/  except  com.palm.app.pdfviewer/ but ipkh -o /var list_installed says I have a ton of stuff there...Is there another location where some sort of list is stored and perhaps that list can get moved to the newlocation?
Dec 30 18:13:19 <oil> wifi has become much more useful in 135 now that it doesn't seem to turn off when the phone goes to sleep...
Dec 30 18:13:22 <egaudet_work> do you have all the apps in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications?  Meaning all the ones that are listed in ipkg -o /var list_installed navinag_ ?
Dec 30 18:13:34 <navinag_> yep
Dec 30 18:13:43 <navinag_> egaudet_work: yep
Dec 30 18:13:45 <Jack87> oil: really?
Dec 30 18:13:45 <egaudet_work> that's kind of odd
Dec 30 18:14:10 <egaudet_work> so somehow the app data got copied over but the ipkg data got stuck
Dec 30 18:14:12 <oil> jack, seems like it to mee
Dec 30 18:14:28 <oil> i haven't seen it go off and reconnect whenever the phone wakes up
Dec 30 18:14:35 <Jack87> oil: verynice.. i wonder if that will reflect in tethering
Dec 30 18:14:41 <egaudet_work> I can think of a few workarounds we can try, but there is a decent possibility you may have to reinstall them all.  but if you accept that disclaimer... :P
Dec 30 18:14:47 <jacques> for one thing, using wirc before over wifi causes me to lose connections whenever the screen blanked
Dec 30 18:14:56 <navinag_> egaudet_work: sure
Dec 30 18:15:10 <navinag_> i have a mvapp backup of all of them
Dec 30 18:15:19 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i have a mvapp backup of all of them
Dec 30 18:15:29 <jacques> s/causes/caused/
Dec 30 18:15:29 <infobot> jacques meant: for one thing, using wirc before over wifi caused me to lose connections whenever the screen blanked
Dec 30 18:15:35 <egaudet_work> hold on does mvapp postupd move them back to /var
Dec 30 18:15:36 <egaudet_work> ???
Dec 30 18:16:03 <egaudet_work> is there a thread on precentral I can get linked to regarding the mvapp postupd stuff that is recommended to people?
Dec 30 18:16:35 <Jack87> so i need to remove preware and pkg mngr?
Dec 30 18:16:50 <Jack87> jettero: my update went smoothly
Dec 30 18:16:59 <jettero> I hate you, no offense
Dec 30 18:17:00 <jettero> :)
Dec 30 18:17:24 <jettero> my install has been a little squirrly since a crash I had back in august...
Dec 30 18:17:44 <jettero> and the mythether guy reported all kinds of problems with his wifi ... I had an older version of that installed
Dec 30 18:17:51 <Jack87> egaudet_work: do i need to reinstall preware or just package manager?
Dec 30 18:17:56 <jettero> could be anything really.  I figure there's a good chance this'll work
Dec 30 18:18:01 <egaudet_work> Jack87: just package manager
Dec 30 18:18:37 <Jack87> egaudet_work: thanks... ya that made more sense although they said some junk about reinsatlling preware on palm cast
Dec 30 18:19:00 <flare576> ugh... I think I have everything backed up i could possibly use.... (/var, /opt, /usr, and of course /media/internal), I pulled down an explicit copy of /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3, and I ran Palm's backup.. can anyone recommend more?  I fear WebOS Doc....
Dec 30 18:19:08 <egaudet_work> preware is like the other mojo apps, they will be seamlessly migrated
Dec 30 18:19:39 <Jack87> egaudet_work: figured when you mentioned it before
Dec 30 18:19:41 <navinag_> egaudet_work: no... i dont think so
Dec 30 18:20:01 <jacques> Warren Buffet Quotes, $1.99, by Brighthouse Labs ... sigh.
Dec 30 18:20:01 <navinag_> egaudet_work: let me find it
Dec 30 18:20:24 <Jack87> jacques: is that real time stock info?
Dec 30 18:20:25 <egaudet_work> navinag_: so if you can get all your mvapp backup apps back to /var then the migration should succeed
Dec 30 18:20:30 <egaudet_work> (no symlinks though)
Dec 30 18:20:40 <jacques> Jack87: no, just a collection of things he has said
Dec 30 18:21:01 <Jack87> jacques: oh... haha thanks:)
Dec 30 18:21:14 <navinag_> egaudet_work: yes...however...most of my apps were symlinked to media/internal/.apps
Dec 30 18:21:34 <navinag_> egaudet_work: putting them all back in var will probably be too big
Dec 30 18:21:37 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: yo i need your opinion
Dec 30 18:21:56 <navinag_> egaudet_work: /var storage that is....i also have optware currently still  there
Dec 30 18:22:54 <flare576> navinag_: you might need to do incremental
Dec 30 18:23:05 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: shoot
Dec 30 18:23:13 <Jack87> so now the ipkg installer built into the pre puts everything into /media drive and both preware and webos quick install use that installer to beggin with?
Dec 30 18:23:40 <egaudet_work> navinag_: i doubt it will be too big
Dec 30 18:23:41 <navinag_> egaudet_work: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/212349-solution-app-catalog-limit-symbolic-link-method-6.html#post2074465
Dec 30 18:23:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: ok the first page of the wizard i am making right now has 2 radio button options "Download new jar" and "Use existing jar"
Dec 30 18:23:53 <egaudet_work> navinag_: but how big are the apps combined do you know?
Dec 30 18:24:09 <PuffTheMagic> if the "DOwnload new jar is selected i want the user to choose a carier and version
Dec 30 18:24:09 <navinag_> egaudet_work: checking now ...doin du on .apps
Dec 30 18:24:13 <PuffTheMagic> here is the question
Dec 30 18:24:21 <PuffTheMagic> do you think i should use 2 combo boxes
Dec 30 18:24:26 <PuffTheMagic> 1 for carier and 1 for version
Dec 30 18:24:31 <PuffTheMagic> or a split pane thing
Dec 30 18:24:43 <PuffTheMagic> so all the cariers on the left and the appropriate versions on the right
Dec 30 18:25:26 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: what are you making?
Dec 30 18:25:29 <navinag_> egaudet_work: 357.9M  .
Dec 30 18:25:31 <egaudet_work> 2 drop down boxes.  version greyed out until carrier is split and then populated with valid versions
Dec 30 18:25:39 <PuffTheMagic> really?
Dec 30 18:25:40 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Dec 30 18:25:42 <egaudet_work> navinag_: good grief
Dec 30 18:25:50 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i know
Dec 30 18:26:04 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: im turning meta-doctor into a java gui
Dec 30 18:26:34 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: aka making it dummy proof?
Dec 30 18:26:45 <egaudet_work> or the split pane thing can just grey out the invalid versions after a carrier is selected
Dec 30 18:27:15 <PuffTheMagic> yeah that part is obvious
Dec 30 18:27:21 <PuffTheMagic> it was more which widgetto use
Dec 30 18:27:31 <egaudet_work> navinag_: so we can make dummies for all the apps then if you want
Dec 30 18:27:32 <navinag_> egaudet_work: I think var is only capable of 240M
Dec 30 18:27:46 <navinag_> ok
Dec 30 18:27:51 <egaudet_work> or you can do maybe 100M at a time worth of apps
Dec 30 18:27:54 <egaudet_work> up to you
Dec 30 18:27:56 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: more like making it crossplatform friendly
Dec 30 18:28:07 <navinag_> egaudet_work: what is the dummy method
Dec 30 18:28:19 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i was sorta thinking the split pane would be nice because all the possible options are visible with out clicking
Dec 30 18:28:28 <egaudet_work> bottom line is that you want to end up with at LEAST an appinfo.json for each app in /var/usr/palm/applications/<app>/
Dec 30 18:28:34 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: yay for Jars!
Dec 30 18:28:40 <atlanta> anyone a webhoster here or uses whmcs
Dec 30 18:28:40 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 18:28:47 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: yea that's probably better now that I think of it
Dec 30 18:28:52 <egaudet_work> forget the dropdwon box
Dec 30 18:29:09 <navinag_> egaudet_work: is there a clever copy command to do that ...or am i gonna have to script it up
Dec 30 18:29:21 <jettero> k, doctor finished.  Anyone wanna take bets on whether I'm cashing in on that sprint insurance I've been paying?
Dec 30 18:29:38 <egaudet_work> navinag_: probably script it up
Dec 30 18:29:38 <jettero> (still booting)
Dec 30 18:29:50 <atlanta> jettero: what was wrong with your phone
Dec 30 18:29:50 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 18:29:57 <navinag_> egaudet_work: okk..here goes
Dec 30 18:30:07 <jettero> atlanta: if you're not going to read what I put before and all day, then you're not going to read it now
Dec 30 18:30:09 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i will let you know what happens
Dec 30 18:30:13 <jettero> atlanta: you actually asked me directly 4 hours ago
Dec 30 18:30:23 <navinag_> egaudet_work: no other app data is required right?
Dec 30 18:30:24 <atlanta> dont recall
Dec 30 18:30:25 <egaudet_work> navinag_: note that if you do the dummy way you'll have to run mvapp postupd afterwards
Dec 30 18:30:30 <atlanta> i remember u not understanding but ok
Dec 30 18:30:34 <atlanta> who cares lmfao
Dec 30 18:30:40 <egaudet_work> afterwards meanin after the palm app migration
Dec 30 18:30:50 <navinag_> egaudet_work: to actually copy over the data?
Dec 30 18:30:57 <navinag_> egaudet_work: app data that is?
Dec 30 18:31:06 <egaudet_work> yea, because if you use the dummy then the palm migration will copy over the dummy blank data
Dec 30 18:31:20 <navinag_> egaudet_work: gotcha
Dec 30 18:31:28 <navinag_> egaudet_work: i will let you know how it goes
Dec 30 18:31:31 <egaudet_work> k
Dec 30 18:32:13 <Jack87> jettero: i recomend you dont cash in on sprint insurance they make you pay 100 deductable
Dec 30 18:32:44 <jettero> yeah
Dec 30 18:32:51 <jettero> worth it if my phone won't work after the doctor restore
Dec 30 18:33:07 <jettero> I really think it's more likely to be a bad wifi radio than a bad 1.3.5 update
Dec 30 18:33:12 <jettero> we'll see.   It's just a guess
Dec 30 18:33:16 <Jack87> jettero: i am sure you can get some sort of warenty replacement for free by saying update screwed up your phone
Dec 30 18:33:29 <jettero> that's the route I'll take iff necessary
Dec 30 18:33:37 <jettero> that was kinda my thinking too actually
Dec 30 18:33:40 <Jack87> whats the issue its been having with wifi and when did it start
Dec 30 18:34:03 <jettero> it started right after the update
Dec 30 18:34:23 <jettero> basically, the network blocks so the phone couldn't startup or shutdown
Dec 30 18:34:23 <Jack87> did you have my tether wifi patch installed when you installed your update
Dec 30 18:34:46 <jettero> evdo seems to work, but wifi just blocks, so if I went to the terminal and did "ip addr show" or "ip route show" ... I'd have to restart cuz lunasysmgr wold block on the syscall
Dec 30 18:35:06 <jettero> I had an old (unused) version of my tether installed from this summer
Dec 30 18:35:18 <jettero> I do think that could be the culprit, he had problems with that (I saw on twitter).
Dec 30 18:35:31 <Jack87> jettero: oh so that cant be it then... well i hope it works now
Dec 30 18:35:39 <jettero> that cant' be it?
Dec 30 18:35:51 <Jack87> not if it was the old version of mytether
Dec 30 18:36:02 <jettero> well, it was the paid one
Dec 30 18:36:12 <jettero> at the time, I paid the $10 cuz I thought that was the only way to get usb net working
Dec 30 18:36:15 <jettero> (false)
Dec 30 18:36:15 <jettero> but whatever
Dec 30 18:36:25 <jettero> never did actually tether
Dec 30 18:36:36 <Jack87> ya thats not the cause then
Dec 30 18:37:04 <jacques> jettero: how long before you can test the wifi?
Dec 30 18:37:15 <jettero> dunno dunno
Dec 30 18:37:23 <jettero> It's still doing the palm profile restore
Dec 30 18:37:26 <Jack87> jacques: well doctor has to restore phone then he needs to update
Dec 30 18:37:46 <jacques> ah OK it will be a little while then
Dec 30 18:37:49 <Jack87> jacques: after doctor i should say
Dec 30 18:37:52 <jettero> I'm going to test the wifi in 1.3.1 too though
Dec 30 18:38:02 <jettero> rebooting after profile restore
Dec 30 18:38:03 <destinal> jacques: yeah, somehow I think the race to the bottom in both price and quality, never got solved
Dec 30 18:38:32 <destinal> tons and tons of junk apps, tweaked to 50 versions of the same one with one setting different
Dec 30 18:38:54 * Jack87 is testing tethering now
Dec 30 18:39:00 <jacques> destinal: yeah. I'm kinda hoping the $50 app fee comes soon
Dec 30 18:40:50 * oil has a feeling that will solve some problems
Dec 30 18:41:35 <oil> $2500 a year just to be able to sell your 50 apps in the catalog
Dec 30 18:42:00 <jettero> wireless works great in 1.3.1
Dec 30 18:42:09 <jacques> jettero: :-D
Dec 30 18:42:19 <oil> they would have to sell 3607 downloads of their apps to break even
Dec 30 18:42:44 <oil> (of a 99 cent app that is)
Dec 30 18:43:10 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 18:43:16 <atlanta>  yea those sports apps are killing me
Dec 30 18:43:37 * oil really only looks in the catalog to see reviews of his own apps
Dec 30 18:43:42 <flare576> hrm... I'm about to pull the trigger on WebOS Doc 1.3.1, and it says that it will remember what apps I have installed; can anyone confirm if that includes homebrew?
Dec 30 18:43:49 <oil> and to download something specific if someone tells me about it
Dec 30 18:44:42 <elpollodiablo1> flare576: it does not include homebrew
Dec 30 18:45:08 <flare576> and would I be correct in assuming it doesn't actually install the apps, just remembers that I own the ones I purchased?
Dec 30 18:46:03 <flare576> because that would suck if I restored my phone only to have it try to put 300MB worth of apps into 250MB
Dec 30 18:46:15 <elpollodiablo1> I beleive it will reinstall the apps after
Dec 30 18:46:24 <elpollodiablo1> but dont quote me on that
Dec 30 18:46:26 <jettero> huh
Dec 30 18:46:38 <jettero> the shhhh noise for flicking an app off the top is WAY too quiet
Dec 30 18:46:44 <jettero> wifi works, though, so double plus good
Dec 30 18:46:53 <flare576> hey! grats jettero
Dec 30 18:47:05 <jettero> yeah
Dec 30 18:47:08 <jettero> thanks
Dec 30 18:47:11 <flare576> ugh, this feels like I'm doing something wrong....
Dec 30 18:47:39 <elpollodiablo1> jettero: so it seems like the update was the problem not the wifi
Dec 30 18:48:33 <jacques> maybe the update interacting badly with some mod
Dec 30 18:49:22 <atlanta> jettero: or maybet the user :-p
Dec 30 18:49:25 <atlanta> maybe**
Dec 30 18:49:41 <jettero> atlanta: you can eat a dick you illiterate fuck
Dec 30 18:49:45 <jettero> or maybe I misunderstood
Dec 30 18:49:55 <atlanta> i dont understand what you mean ?
Dec 30 18:49:56 <atlanta> lmfao
Dec 30 18:50:09 <atlanta> you dont know how to use context clues :-p
Dec 30 18:50:22 <atlanta> so im not the illiterate fuck
Dec 30 18:50:32 <atlanta> dont get so angry over the internet
Dec 30 18:50:43 <jettero> I'm not overly angry, I just hate you
Dec 30 18:51:05 <jacques> that's a little harsh. :-\
Dec 30 18:51:09 <atlanta> cool thats what i was shooting for
Dec 30 18:51:41 <jettero> jacques: I'm not so sure.  Next time your phone is totally jacked, lemme know if "user error" comments piss you off
Dec 30 18:51:45 <atlanta> jacques: its fine i dont get emotional over the internet :-)
Dec 30 18:52:24 <jettero> also, if you spend like 30 screens describing a problem in detail and a retardo like atlanta goes: hey, what doesn't work... see if that sets you off
Dec 30 18:52:40 <jettero> those two combined did it for me
Dec 30 18:52:45 <jettero> I hate him, and I don't think it's harsh
Dec 30 18:53:10 <atlanta> well if i was away from the pc maybe i didnt have time to read your shit ass problem :-)
Dec 30 18:53:24 <jettero> well, then don't ask about it either
Dec 30 18:53:27 <jacques> after over two decades on the internet, it takes a bit more than that for me now :-)
Dec 30 18:53:40 <atlanta> jacques: nice to know u can take humor
Dec 30 18:53:41 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 18:53:45 <atlanta> unlike jettero
Dec 30 18:53:47 <flare576> jettero: could be worse, you could be asking for advice for an hour and not getting shit :)
Dec 30 18:53:54 <flare576> like someone else that's still here
Dec 30 18:53:57 <atlanta> flare576: still need help?
Dec 30 18:53:57 <jettero> I can take humor, I only hate atlanta, not funny people
Dec 30 18:54:07 <atlanta> jettero: relax champ
Dec 30 18:54:14 <jettero> atlanta: quit talking to me you dickhead
Dec 30 18:54:20 <flare576> atlanta: nah, I'm about to do webos doc for the first time and I'm scared.  I think I got everything I could need, but it still bugs me
Dec 30 18:54:35 * atlanta knows jettero just wants to be as helpful as him :-)
Dec 30 18:54:37 <jettero> flare576: it went flawlessly for me... I didn't even lose my pictures and things
Dec 30 18:54:44 <jettero> atlanta: fuck you
Dec 30 18:54:53 <knowyou> you mad?
Dec 30 18:54:57 <jettero> not really
Dec 30 18:54:57 <flare576> I backed up /opt, /var, /usr, and /media/internal/
Dec 30 18:55:00 <atlanta> flare576: cool if u need help just let me know
Dec 30 18:55:19 <flare576> atlanta: Well... I'm doing it because I resized my partitions :/
Dec 30 18:55:29 <atlanta> flare576: the doc doesnt delete /media/internals :-)
Dec 30 18:55:46 <atlanta> it was pretty nice everything stayed in take
Dec 30 18:55:59 <jettero> atlanta: it says it does on the download page and during the click through
Dec 30 18:56:00 <atlanta> knowyou: yea he is im getting to him he HATES me
Dec 30 18:56:05 <atlanta> jettero: it lied
Dec 30 18:56:08 <jettero> I can see that it doesn't, but it says ti does
Dec 30 18:56:10 <knowyou> I just take for granted that everyone on the internet is trying to troll me, then go from there :p
Dec 30 18:56:15 <atlanta> jettero: indeed
Dec 30 18:56:59 <flare576> atlanta: doesn't delete it, but it partitions the disk I thought....
Dec 30 18:57:06 <atlanta> flare576: negative
Dec 30 18:57:11 <flare576> well shit.
Dec 30 18:57:13 <jacques> knowyou: yeah that's a good plan.
Dec 30 18:57:24 <flare576> I need it to lol
Dec 30 18:57:32 <jettero> oddly it also seems to remove homebrew and preware, but not stuff installed from the app store
Dec 30 18:57:36 <flare576> ./var is 2GB
Dec 30 18:57:41 <atlanta> flare576: lol maybe if it finds the partition is different it will correct
Dec 30 18:57:43 <atlanta> cross ur fingers
Dec 30 18:57:49 <flare576> I guess lol
Dec 30 18:57:54 * jacques starts to think jettero and atlanta are the same person.
Dec 30 18:58:09 <atlanta> jacques: negative im not a sensitive fuck
Dec 30 18:58:13 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 18:58:14 <flare576> I think I've been as careful as I can be, so.... leap of faith time
Dec 30 18:58:22 <flare576> thanks for looking, atlanta
Dec 30 18:58:23 <Jack87> jettero: was this your first doctor?
Dec 30 18:58:24 <atlanta> flare576: if not just test out meta  doctor
Dec 30 18:58:27 <jettero> definitely not atlanta I hate that fucker
Dec 30 18:58:30 <jettero> Jack87: yeah
Dec 30 18:58:34 * atlanta reached his hater quote for 2009, YES!!!
Dec 30 18:58:44 <Jack87> :) hehe welcome to the club you lasted awhile congrats
Dec 30 18:58:45 <atlanta> s/quote/quota
Dec 30 18:58:57 <jettero> Jack87: indeed.  I'd hoped to never have to do it
Dec 30 18:59:04 <atlanta> any body in here like katt williams
Dec 30 18:59:09 <Jack87> jettero: the doctor removes all apps and catalog apps are reinstalled automatically
Dec 30 18:59:20 <jettero> oic
Dec 30 18:59:30 <jettero> yeah, most problems so far I've been able to fix using linux commands
Dec 30 18:59:43 <jettero> but the dead wifi and the blocking syscalls wasn't something I could fix
Dec 30 18:59:46 <flare576> Jack87: I hope to god it's smart enough to go "you don't have room for all this crap"
Dec 30 19:00:17 <Jack87> flare576: i always wonder about that i tried testing it but i had so much crap i couldnt ell if it left stuff ouit
Dec 30 19:01:09 <atlanta> flare576: dont hold your breathe
Dec 30 19:01:13 <atlanta> but let us know how it goes
Dec 30 19:01:28 <flare576> here... we... go
Dec 30 19:02:32 <jettero> drpodder (something like that) must not be in the app store
Dec 30 19:02:32 <atlanta> time to go submit another app :-)
Dec 30 19:02:36 <jettero> I'm surprised about that, ti's great
Dec 30 19:03:07 * atlanta is using his pre as a space shit 
Dec 30 19:03:09 <xorg> rwighby: ping
Dec 30 19:03:13 <atlanta> damn i had to much sweet tea
Dec 30 19:03:15 <xorg> rwightby: ping
Dec 30 19:03:19 <jacques> lol
Dec 30 19:03:22 <xorg> rwhitby: ping
Dec 30 19:03:24 <xorg> ugh
Dec 30 19:03:26 <jacques> :-)
Dec 30 19:04:30 <xorg> oil: you there?
Dec 30 19:04:36 <jacques> xorg: it might be another couple of hours before rwhitby shows up. it's pretty early there.
Dec 30 19:04:51 <xorg> yeah, just realized
Dec 30 19:05:38 <Rick_work> it's 05:30 in adelaide.
Dec 30 19:05:42 <xorg> have q's on emergency migration tool
Dec 30 19:05:46 <jettero> what podcast software do you guys use, if any?
Dec 30 19:05:51 <Rick_work> he's not the one to ask anyway.
Dec 30 19:05:55 <xorg> looking for source in git
Dec 30 19:05:56 <jettero> I guess I'd prefer something from the app store, but drpodder so good
Dec 30 19:06:06 <flare576> jettero: Dr. Podder
Dec 30 19:06:12 <Rick_work> egaudet  is the developer
Dec 30 19:06:13 <atlanta> xorg: gitourious
Dec 30 19:06:25 <xorg> yup
Dec 30 19:06:39 <oil> prefer something form the app store?
Dec 30 19:06:41 <flare576> as soon as teh appstore has a higher awesome:crap ratio than the homebrew repository, I'll care.
Dec 30 19:07:05 <flare576> until then, it's just a place where jerks charge idiots for crap.
Dec 30 19:07:12 <flare576> (no offense to the devs in here)
Dec 30 19:07:23 <jettero> hah
Dec 30 19:07:32 <jettero> there is a lotta crap there selling for more than $5
Dec 30 19:07:46 <flare576> but, you want to take 40 surveys!
Dec 30 19:07:52 <flare576> and watch 25 sports teams!
Dec 30 19:08:47 <flare576> atlanta: from the "Recover" page of wiki: Around 54% the filesystems are being partitioned
Dec 30 19:08:53 <flare576> so.. here's hoping
Dec 30 19:12:46 <atlanta> xorg: did u get it
Dec 30 19:12:52 <atlanta> my bad it wasnt in gitorious
Dec 30 19:13:04 <atlanta> xorg: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.emergency-migration-helper_1.3.5_all.ipk
Dec 30 19:13:04 <flare576> you're a meanie atlanta
Dec 30 19:13:11 <atlanta> there the link
Dec 30 19:13:13 <xorg> i found the package, will just decipher from there... didn't see on gitorous
Dec 30 19:13:27 <flare576> misleading xorg like that
Dec 30 19:13:28 <xorg> thanks, yeah found it
Dec 30 19:13:40 <atlanta> no problem yea i couldnt find it either seen the source the other day
Dec 30 19:13:46 <atlanta> forgot which repo tho
Dec 30 19:13:47 <atlanta> to many
Dec 30 19:14:10 <atlanta> flare576: how we looking
Dec 30 19:14:21 <flare576> just finished the reset, restarting atm
Dec 30 19:14:24 <atlanta> hahahah gsm cracked
Dec 30 19:14:29 <atlanta> i read about that earlier this week
Dec 30 19:14:40 <flare576> I know, right.  You know what else uses 64-bit encryption?  My grandma's wireless
Dec 30 19:14:57 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:15:08 <atlanta> so shes just about crackable as gsm i guess
Dec 30 19:15:20 <flare576> you ass, that woman is a saint.
Dec 30 19:15:25 <atlanta> i've had some fun with aircrack back  in my hacking days
Dec 30 19:15:25 <flare576> oh, wait, you meant her wifi.
Dec 30 19:15:40 <atlanta> flare576: yea  lol wow that did come out wrong
Dec 30 19:15:41 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:15:48 <flare576> ;)
Dec 30 19:15:48 <atlanta> lmfao that was funny
Dec 30 19:16:05 <atlanta>  see jettero wouldnt have found the humor in that flare576 good fellow u
Dec 30 19:16:14 <flare576> life is too short.
Dec 30 19:16:24 <atlanta> exactly
Dec 30 19:16:50 <jacques> someone's grandma is on crack? huh?!?
Dec 30 19:17:05 <flare576> jacques: I will god damn stab you in the kidney through your nose.
Dec 30 19:17:12 <flare576> with a spork
Dec 30 19:17:18 <flare576> or a phoon.  I'll let you choose.
Dec 30 19:17:23 <atlanta> lmfaooo
Dec 30 19:17:44 <jacques> well, I choose the spork. at least I know what that is ...
Dec 30 19:18:08 <atlanta> i like how palm implemented the account lookup from the profile
Dec 30 19:18:10 <atlanta> after u doctor
Dec 30 19:18:18 <atlanta> all u have to do is enter your passwords to verify
Dec 30 19:18:23 <flare576> yeah, so far it's going ok... I think
Dec 30 19:18:38 <flare576> I don't know exactly what it's restoring, though
Dec 30 19:18:49 <jettero> the os and stuff. :)
Dec 30 19:18:53 <flare576> oh damnit, I have to novaterm again, don't I
Dec 30 19:18:53 <atlanta> using 1.3.1 doc?
Dec 30 19:18:58 <flare576> yeah
Dec 30 19:19:17 <flare576> jettero: the doc is done
Dec 30 19:19:22 <flare576> now it's doing the profile recovery
Dec 30 19:19:23 <jettero> yeah
Dec 30 19:19:32 <jettero> wow, yours went a lot faster than mine
Dec 30 19:19:46 <flare576> so, if it crashes in a bit, it's because it's trying to load 300MB of app into 240MB space
Dec 30 19:20:09 <jettero> I'm guessing it will simply fail to install some of the apps and then boot normally
Dec 30 19:20:14 <flare576> "Go in the circle hole you damn square peg"
Dec 30 19:20:24 <elpollodiablo1> 20lbs of crap in a 10lb bag
Dec 30 19:20:28 <flare576> that's what I hope too
Dec 30 19:20:42 <flare576> evil chicken, you just feed the extra to the pigs
Dec 30 19:21:07 <elpollodiablo1> lol ah, I never knew what to do with the left over crap
Dec 30 19:21:24 <flare576> :: looks at the app store:: some people do.
Dec 30 19:21:29 <elpollodiablo1> and it is devil chicken to you
Dec 30 19:21:56 * flare576 begs devil chicken for forgivness, swearing that it shan't happen again.
Dec 30 19:22:20 * atlanta loves the way the new catalog works 
Dec 30 19:22:29 <atlanta> along with the launcher menu
Dec 30 19:22:33 <flare576> heh, every update I remember that palm thought 3 icons on a row was a good idea.
Dec 30 19:22:44 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:22:54 <atlanta> the new one added a page for me
Dec 30 19:23:02 <atlanta> wierd
Dec 30 19:23:06 <atlanta> anybody else with that
Dec 30 19:23:06 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 19:23:14 <oil> yeah, 4x4 is what palm should make default
Dec 30 19:23:16 <flare576> I added a 4th page on my own
Dec 30 19:23:29 <jacques> the 4x4 v3 is really nice
Dec 30 19:23:30 <atlanta> flare576: after i doctored it still had my extra page it was wierd
Dec 30 19:23:34 <jettero> I'm goign to look for a 4x4 patch after 1.3.5 is working I guess
Dec 30 19:23:39 <flare576> ... that is odd atlanta
Dec 30 19:23:43 <atlanta> yea it is
Dec 30 19:23:46 <jacques> I am trying the 5x4 v2 right now, but I think the icons might be too small for me
Dec 30 19:23:47 <atlanta> but i was like oh well
Dec 30 19:23:49 <atlanta> phone back working
Dec 30 19:23:49 <flare576> I let my 5x4 patch die :/
Dec 30 19:23:51 <oil> jettero: all the patches are 135 ready
Dec 30 19:23:58 <atlanta> jacques: yea i didnt like it
Dec 30 19:23:59 <flare576> jacques:  I wrote that :)
Dec 30 19:24:15 <jacques> flare576: which one?
Dec 30 19:24:15 <flare576> sorta.
Dec 30 19:24:20 <flare576> v2
Dec 30 19:24:26 <flare576> I fixed v1
Dec 30 19:24:46 <jacques> I frequently hit the wrong icon with 5x4 :-(
Dec 30 19:24:50 <flare576> and I stopped using it, 'cause yeah, 5x4 is just a bit too small
Dec 30 19:24:56 <jacques> but it might just be because I am a spaz
Dec 30 19:25:01 <flare576> and 4x4 with not titles is just damn sexy
Dec 30 19:25:02 <atlanta> i would help out with more patches but git confuses me
Dec 30 19:25:36 <flare576> I was an idiot and used my phone as the dev platform instead of the emulator, so I had an extra tier of confusion in git/ssh/etc.
Dec 30 19:25:45 <atlanta> flare576: ouch
Dec 30 19:25:49 <atlanta> i used ubuntu
Dec 30 19:26:14 <flare576> atlanta: yeah, my real contribution was fixing up the page explaining how to get going as a patch dev.
Dec 30 19:26:21 <flare576> ohhh, almost done!
Dec 30 19:26:26 <flare576> with... something!
Dec 30 19:26:26 <atlanta> flare576: oh lalala
Dec 30 19:26:30 <atlanta> maybe i need to read it
Dec 30 19:26:30 <atlanta> linky
Dec 30 19:26:32 <zsoc> lalala
Dec 30 19:26:36 <atlanta> zsoc: wsup
Dec 30 19:26:51 <zsoc> atlanta: zmg, ohisashiburi neeeeee
Dec 30 19:27:06 <flare576> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches
Dec 30 19:27:07 <atlanta> zsoc: zshy boela riwled
Dec 30 19:27:34 <flare576> scroll down to atlanta Gettign authenticated wit git
Dec 30 19:27:42 <knowyou> my favorite patch, hands down, is the close slider to end calls patch. all the rest I can live without..
Dec 30 19:27:49 <flare576> ... no idea how your name ended up in there.
Dec 30 19:28:04 <zsoc> lulz
Dec 30 19:28:15 <flare576> knowyou: I open/close the keyboard during calls way too frequently to use that lol
Dec 30 19:28:28 <atlanta> flare576: #cosign
Dec 30 19:28:35 <atlanta> flare576: cool
Dec 30 19:28:37 <zsoc> I really shouldn't test things on my production device.
Dec 30 19:28:56 <atlanta> they did away with quilt rigt
Dec 30 19:29:27 <atlanta> zsoc: tahw did uoy tset?
Dec 30 19:29:54 <flare576> I honestly don't know, I wrote all that a few months ago, might be outdated if no one kept it up to date.
Dec 30 19:30:04 <atlanta> goythca
Dec 30 19:31:21 <zsoc> atlanta: long time no see :)
Dec 30 19:31:53 <atlanta> zsoc:  i know been out and about not to much sitting around the house
Dec 30 19:32:16 <elpollodiablo1> so is there any need to root a pre anymore? it seems like everything can be taked care of through preware or other apps.
Dec 30 19:32:16 <atlanta> zsoc: how you been
Dec 30 19:32:17 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 19:32:23 <Mortan> Hi, i have an unlocked gsm pre from germany, that won't complete the webOS doctor process, is anyone here able to help?
Dec 30 19:32:27 <atlanta> elpollodiablo1: some benefits
Dec 30 19:32:56 <elpollodiablo1> atlanta: like? other then the joys of linux root power?
Dec 30 19:33:02 <atlanta> exactly
Dec 30 19:33:03 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:33:05 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:33:05 <zsoc> atlanta: I'm cool mang
Dec 30 19:33:10 <atlanta>  i was trying to think of an answer but couldnt lol
Dec 30 19:33:17 <zsoc> Mortan: what problems are you having?
Dec 30 19:33:27 <elpollodiablo1> I root mine for the fun of it
Dec 30 19:33:36 <Mortan> the updater stops at around 52%
Dec 30 19:33:36 <zsoc> elpollodiablo1: what does 'root a pre' mean?
Dec 30 19:33:41 <atlanta> elpollodiablo1: indeed but i rooted to allow me to transfer files using sftp
Dec 30 19:33:45 <SteveApos> i still use mine randomly for changing images isntead of installing themes but thats about it
Dec 30 19:33:47 <atlanta> so i dont have to connect my phone
Dec 30 19:33:56 <Mortan> then it just says "cannot restore" on the pc
Dec 30 19:34:03 <atlanta> i made /media/internal writeable and love it
Dec 30 19:34:04 <elpollodiablo1> basically set up dev mode and novaterm into it to install stuff
Dec 30 19:34:25 <atlanta> novaterm is ok for doing it but putty FTW
Dec 30 19:34:32 <atlanta> Mortan: at what point
Dec 30 19:34:32 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 19:34:38 <elpollodiablo1> yeah I normally ssh in
Dec 30 19:34:45 <jacques> Mortan: how many times have you tried?
Dec 30 19:34:48 <Mortan> i just spent like 2 hours chatting with palm support, and all they could help me with was pressing sym+orange+r :S
Dec 30 19:34:53 <Mortan> many times
Dec 30 19:34:55 <flare576> man... webos doc really makes you realize how awesome Synergy is... I didn't even realize I had 6 profiles on that thing.
Dec 30 19:35:06 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:35:12 <elpollodiablo1> but it does not seem like anything needs to be installed through ssh or terminal much anymore due to preware
Dec 30 19:35:18 <SteveApos> i think im going to have to redoctor mine again
Dec 30 19:35:21 <SteveApos> for the second time in 2 days
Dec 30 19:35:21 <zsoc> Mortan: I'm sorry I'm not familiar with that error. did you try holding volume up while inserting the battery, then doctoring?
Dec 30 19:35:25 <jacques> Mortan: you could try this: pull battery, wait, replace battery, plug into USB while holding volume up
Dec 30 19:35:32 <Mortan> yeah i did that
Dec 30 19:35:49 <atlanta> Mortan: screen shoot your error
Dec 30 19:35:52 <Mortan> it seems the full image isn't loading over completely, which is causing it to stop midways
Dec 30 19:36:13 <atlanta> Mortan: maybe the image is corupt try resetting your connection
Dec 30 19:36:15 <Mortan> nothing special about the error
Dec 30 19:36:16 <atlanta> and deleting temp
Dec 30 19:36:19 <atlanta> and try again
Dec 30 19:36:34 <atlanta> hey jettero i almost told him its user error then lol
Dec 30 19:36:55 <Mortan> i tried downloading it from 2 different sources, first the webos internals wiki, and then the german pre site
Dec 30 19:37:24 <atlanta> ouch
Dec 30 19:37:24 <Mortan> which connection atlanta?
Dec 30 19:37:31 <atlanta> network connection
Dec 30 19:37:41 <atlanta>  i had an issue once i reset my ip stack and it fixed it
Dec 30 19:37:46 <atlanta> its like
Dec 30 19:37:50 <SteveApos> is anyone having a problem deleting/installing with preware after their update?
Dec 30 19:37:57 <atlanta> netsh int ip reset
Dec 30 19:38:03 <atlanta> SteveApos: yes
Dec 30 19:38:08 <atlanta>  u have to use WQI to redo it
Dec 30 19:38:09 <SteveApos> find a fix?
Dec 30 19:38:16 <atlanta> reinstall prewatre
Dec 30 19:38:21 <SteveApos> ah
Dec 30 19:38:23 <SteveApos> alright
Dec 30 19:38:23 <flare576> atlanta: finally into the OS: I also have 4 pages
Dec 30 19:38:29 <Mortan> i'm not familliar with wqi
Dec 30 19:38:31 <SteveApos> thanks i'll give it a shot
Dec 30 19:38:34 <atlanta> flare576: see lol
Dec 30 19:38:48 <atlanta> Mortan: try meta doctor
Dec 30 19:38:51 <atlanta> its in the wiki
Dec 30 19:38:53 <Mortan> the pre doesn't boot into an OS at all, it is in some kind of recovery mode
Dec 30 19:39:01 <flare576> once all the account syncing is done, I'll see about getting to CLI to check partition table
Dec 30 19:39:27 <Mortan> blue background..
Dec 30 19:39:32 <atlanta>  wqi can use the cli in there for a quicky
Dec 30 19:40:05 <Mortan> cli?
Dec 30 19:40:14 <Mortan> i'm not sure i understand
Dec 30 19:40:21 <atlanta> Mortan: sorry wasnt talking to you
Dec 30 19:40:29 <atlanta> Mortan: but try meta doctor
Dec 30 19:40:33 <atlanta> let me give u the link
Dec 30 19:40:41 <Mortan> oh ok
Dec 30 19:40:52 <atlanta> Mortan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Dec 30 19:41:16 <Mortan> looks like i need linux then
Dec 30 19:41:20 <atlanta> Mortan: if that doesnt work i would have to say your the first person to actually BRICK your phone
Dec 30 19:41:31 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:41:33 <Mortan> hehe
Dec 30 19:41:39 <Mortan> well aint i special
Dec 30 19:41:44 <SteveApos> you'll make the front page
Dec 30 19:41:52 <Mortan> wow i'm honored lol
Dec 30 19:41:52 <atlanta> HELL YEA
Dec 30 19:41:54 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:42:11 <SteveApos> lol this is about to suck i really hope i dont have to doctor again
Dec 30 19:42:11 <atlanta> at the sprint dev shit they said its near impossible
Dec 30 19:42:17 <atlanta> i guess u proved them wrong Mortan
Dec 30 19:42:33 <atlanta> SteveApos: i did had the same problem it worked out better in the long run
Dec 30 19:42:34 <Mortan> hehe well i'll give the metadoctor a try
Dec 30 19:42:41 <atlanta> SteveApos: somehow the catalog got fucked up
Dec 30 19:42:45 <Mortan> i'm just afraid there may be a hardware issue as well
Dec 30 19:42:52 <atlanta> Mortan: indeed that too
Dec 30 19:42:56 <atlanta> why were u doctoring in the firstplace
Dec 30 19:42:56 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 19:43:04 <Mortan> do you know if touchscreen issues can be caused by sofware problems?
Dec 30 19:43:07 <SteveApos> Atlanta: well i doctored yesterday because i wanted a fresh start then i completely redid my phone only to realize when i plugged my phone in to go to sleep i forgot to reinstall 1.3.5 after doctoring lol
Dec 30 19:43:27 <Mortan> touchscreen was unresponsive
Dec 30 19:43:28 <atlanta> LMFAOOO
Dec 30 19:43:30 <SteveApos> it should have been a clear hint that all of my patches reinstalled without a single problem
Dec 30 19:43:33 <atlanta> SteveApos:  i almost did the same
Dec 30 19:43:39 <SteveApos> lol dude i was so mad
Dec 30 19:43:47 <flare576> and yes, i see my appstore apps.
Dec 30 19:43:49 <atlanta> Mortan: its a hardware
Dec 30 19:43:56 <Mortan> then i took the phone entirely apart.. and put it back together again
Dec 30 19:44:03 <Mortan> and the screen worked again
Dec 30 19:44:04 <atlanta> flare576: try installing one with the new version
Dec 30 19:44:20 <flare576> atlanta: still on 1.3.1
Dec 30 19:44:30 <ChaosHat> Alright, I have a weird patch problem
Dec 30 19:44:36 <atlanta> flare576: update update update
Dec 30 19:44:37 <ChaosHat> If anyone has a moment to help
Dec 30 19:44:39 <atlanta> ChaosHat: what is it
Dec 30 19:44:54 <Mortan> ok i'll just try metadoc.. i'll get back to you asap :p thanks for the help!
Dec 30 19:44:56 <flare576> heh, I doctored to 1.3.1 so that I can finalize the restore before plunging ahead.
Dec 30 19:45:11 <ChaosHat> Okay, so I had a couple patches that were acting weird after the 1.3.5 update, so I tried to remove and reinstall them
Dec 30 19:45:17 <atlanta> Mortan: no problem
Dec 30 19:45:22 <ChaosHat> But they wouldn't remove, so I tried emergency patch remover, which still didn't work
Dec 30 19:45:33 <atlanta> ChaosHat: yea
Dec 30 19:45:56 <atlanta> u was suppose to uinstall those before hand
Dec 30 19:46:00 <ChaosHat> So then I used webosdoctor to just try to start over, but after installing preware I can look under "Installed Packages" and see they're still there
Dec 30 19:46:05 <atlanta> ALWAYS UNINSTALL PATCHES AND THEMES BEFORE UPDATING
Dec 30 19:46:24 <flare576> ... how... still there after doctor?
Dec 30 19:46:29 <ChaosHat> No idea.
Dec 30 19:46:29 <atlanta> ChaosHat: i guess the doctor wasnt in lol
Dec 30 19:46:46 <ChaosHat> I figured this out after I reupdated to 1.3.5
Dec 30 19:46:49 <flare576> did you get the doctor from a chinese sweatshop?
Dec 30 19:46:49 <atlanta> have u messed with the parition internally
Dec 30 19:46:52 <ChaosHat> no
Dec 30 19:46:56 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:47:05 <ChaosHat> doctor was from the palm site
Dec 30 19:47:06 <atlanta> flare576: lmfao that could be offensive ahhh but who cares lol
Dec 30 19:47:14 <SteveApos> gave me a laugh
Dec 30 19:47:30 <flare576> only to those in chinese sweatshops, and if they're sitting in this chat at work, they are sooo screwed
Dec 30 19:47:37 <atlanta> lmfaooo
Dec 30 19:48:13 <atlanta> ChaosHat: try 1.3.1 doctor again
Dec 30 19:48:25 <ChaosHat> The patches also don't actually do anything.
Dec 30 19:48:26 <atlanta> and always REMEMBER USE EPR BEFORE AN UPDATE
Dec 30 19:48:31 <flare576> jesus, mary, and joseph, Facebook sync is taking a decade.
Dec 30 19:48:41 <atlanta> i dunno how many times we say taht
Dec 30 19:48:45 <flare576> it must think I have friends.
Dec 30 19:49:06 <atlanta> flare576:  next update needs to allow to select not to get contacts
Dec 30 19:49:14 <flare576> oh, I want the contacts
Dec 30 19:49:19 <flare576> i just want them right meow.
Dec 30 19:49:25 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:49:33 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:49:34 <SteveApos> they need to make it so you can pick and choose contacts already
Dec 30 19:49:43 <SteveApos> i have too many random people in my accounts to just sync everything
Dec 30 19:49:43 <atlanta> i remember my first time doing it it had people first and lastn ame
Dec 30 19:49:48 <atlanta> im like wtf where these come from
Dec 30 19:49:54 <atlanta> SteveApos: exactly
Dec 30 19:50:01 <flare576> that is true.  I don't think I need to sync my MobWars friends....
Dec 30 19:50:10 <SteveApos> lol yeah
Dec 30 19:50:19 <SteveApos> besides tons of people dont list their numbers anyways
Dec 30 19:50:22 <SteveApos> i just want the pictures
Dec 30 19:50:40 <atlanta> i just want the females
Dec 30 19:50:47 <atlanta> they should let u chose gosh
Dec 30 19:50:55 <atlanta> would make my booty calls so much easier
Dec 30 19:51:06 <zsoc> ...
Dec 30 19:51:06 <flare576> and their "hot or not" scores.
Dec 30 19:51:12 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:51:18 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:51:40 <flare576> oh!  and filter on relationships  "it's complicated" = "rawr"
Dec 30 19:51:56 <SteveApos> alright lets see if this fixed preware or if im going to have to wait through another doctoring
Dec 30 19:52:22 <zsoc> SteveApos: what problem are you having?
Dec 30 19:52:23 <SteveApos> i just dont want to have to put my apps in nice little categories again lol takes so long to move everything around
Dec 30 19:52:24 <atlanta> i love the new cryptofs
Dec 30 19:52:24 <atlanta> lol
Dec 30 19:52:30 <atlanta> makes the apps oh so hidden
Dec 30 19:52:42 <SteveApos> Zsoc: it wouldnt let me delete or install anything through preware
Dec 30 19:53:00 <zsoc> oh 135 doctor is available
Dec 30 19:53:04 <atlanta> really
Dec 30 19:53:06 <SteveApos> snap
Dec 30 19:53:07 <SteveApos> where
Dec 30 19:53:07 <SteveApos> lol
Dec 30 19:53:08 <zsoc> SteveApos: what error?
Dec 30 19:53:17 <SteveApos> i'll let you know if it does it again
Dec 30 19:54:07 <SteveApos> gives me the generic error removing right after accepting the script
Dec 30 19:54:41 <zsoc> ok
Dec 30 19:55:01 <atlanta> wheres that 1.3.5 doctor
Dec 30 19:55:03 <atlanta> i dont see it
Dec 30 19:55:12 <SteveApos> me either
Dec 30 19:55:20 <atlanta> zsoc: tricked us all
Dec 30 19:55:32 <zsoc> atlanta: no it's on palm site. refresh
Dec 30 19:55:57 <Mortan> only for CDMA right?
Dec 30 19:56:08 <SteveApos> Does the ares not work for anyone else? I kept trying to jump on the beta and it just loads after i log in and goes to a grey screen
Dec 30 19:56:13 <zsoc> Mortan: yeah, and only sprint
Dec 30 19:56:16 <SteveApos> ares site* my bad
Dec 30 19:56:36 <zsoc> SteveApos: Ares is #webos territory
Dec 30 19:56:48 <SteveApos> kk
Dec 30 19:57:29 <atlanta> heehehehhe sprint always gets the lastest and the greatest
Dec 30 19:57:29 <Mortan> americans get all the fun
Dec 30 19:57:32 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 30 19:57:57 <Mortan> they don't even sell the pre in denmark where i live! it's like Palm doesn't even want my money!
Dec 30 19:58:03 <atlanta> we did create the internet you know lmfao
Dec 30 19:58:28 <zsoc> Mortan: they are trying to expand. it is their #1 priority
Dec 30 19:58:29 <Mortan> and subsidized phone plans :S
Dec 30 19:58:30 <destinal> Mortan: you can import a GSM one from Germany
Dec 30 19:58:35 <Mortan> i did
Dec 30 19:58:38 <Mortan> and now its borked
Dec 30 19:58:40 <Mortan> :S
Dec 30 19:58:41 <zsoc> america is pretty much trash, I won't argue
Dec 30 19:58:54 <atlanta> zsoc: #COSIGN THAT
Dec 30 19:59:03 <atlanta> everyone hates the western lifestylre
Dec 30 19:59:04 <zsoc> Mortan: what's wrong with the phone?
Dec 30 19:59:05 <atlanta> its funny
Dec 30 19:59:06 <destinal> Mortan: borked?  how?
Dec 30 19:59:13 <atlanta> destinal: its BROKE
Dec 30 19:59:15 <atlanta> not even borked
Dec 30 19:59:18 <atlanta> brinked to the bone
Dec 30 19:59:21 <Mortan> borked to hell
Dec 30 19:59:24 <Mortan> :p
Dec 30 19:59:32 <atlanta> doctor errors out
Dec 30 19:59:38 <Mortan> downloading ubuntu image atm to get the metadoctor a try...
Dec 30 19:59:53 <atlanta> doctor should work though
Dec 30 19:59:58 <Mortan> but basically the normal doctor stops at just over 50%...
Dec 30 20:00:07 <destinal> Mortan: you could try the 1.3.5 doctor
Dec 30 20:00:26 <atlanta> how do yu guys get the direct link to the doctor
Dec 30 20:00:26 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 20:00:44 <destinal> I've used the world release on sprint phones, many people have used sprint release on GSM world phones
Dec 30 20:00:45 <jacques> I am here but see no download link ? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1665
Dec 30 20:01:08 <Mortan> i tried 1.1.3 and the newest
Dec 30 20:01:17 <atlanta> jacques: palm.com/ROM
Dec 30 20:01:20 <destinal> Mortan: did you try 1.3.5 sprint?  just saying
Dec 30 20:01:25 <Mortan> no i haven't
Dec 30 20:01:38 <Mortan> but it's not the same modem inside? won't that screw up?
Dec 30 20:01:45 <atlanta> Mortan: yea it will
Dec 30 20:01:50 <destinal> Mortan: no it won't screw up
Dec 30 20:01:53 <Jack87> man i missed some excitment
Dec 30 20:01:59 <Jack87> jacques: are you all up to par yet
Dec 30 20:02:11 <destinal> Mortan: many people on german GSM phones have run sprint image
Dec 30 20:02:12 <elpollodiablo1> atlanta: thanks for thel ink
Dec 30 20:02:18 <jacques> atlanta: thanks!
Dec 30 20:02:19 <Mortan> but i can't download the 1.3.5 image with my german serial number
Dec 30 20:02:36 <destinal> Mortan: grab it from the links here:  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 30 20:02:39 <atlanta> no problem home skillet
Dec 30 20:02:41 <Mortan> at this point i will basically give anything a shot :)
Dec 30 20:02:46 <atlanta> jacques: no problem
Dec 30 20:02:48 <jacques> but I don't want to take my battery out right now to get serial #
Dec 30 20:02:51 <Jack87> jettero: i ment are you up to par yet
Dec 30 20:02:56 <destinal> oh, 1.3.2 is latest there.  wonder if 1.3.5 is posted yet
Dec 30 20:03:05 <Jack87> jacques: you can get serial without taking battery out
Dec 30 20:03:05 <flare576> atlanta: it did repartition back to normal, and....
Dec 30 20:03:15 <zsoc> destinal: 135 was just posted 15 minutes ago
Dec 30 20:03:18 <atlanta> jacques: device info
Dec 30 20:03:18 <atlanta> ?
Dec 30 20:03:20 <Jack87> jacques: device info app
Dec 30 20:03:21 <jacques> Jack87: in device info?
Dec 30 20:03:26 <flare576> Jack87: when it re-installed the app store apps, I don't think I had enough to overflow (32% free)
Dec 30 20:03:31 <jacques> thanks guys.
Dec 30 20:03:33 <atlanta> yurp
Dec 30 20:03:42 <atlanta> almost forgot about my sprint bill
Dec 30 20:03:45 <atlanta> OUCH :-(
Dec 30 20:03:54 <Jack87> flare576: i thought it only wanted 20% pre?
Dec 30 20:04:04 <Mortan> funnies thing is
Dec 30 20:04:11 <Mortan> the pre corrupted my SIM card
Dec 30 20:04:18 <atlanta> wtf
Dec 30 20:04:20 <Mortan> i'm really starting to love this phone
Dec 30 20:04:22 <Mortan> :p
Dec 30 20:04:22 <atlanta> maybe thats why
Dec 30 20:04:25 <Mortan> don't ask
Dec 30 20:04:27 <egaudet_work> hi
Dec 30 20:04:29 <egaudet_work> what did I miss
Dec 30 20:04:36 <Jack87> jacques:  its the last thing before more info button
Dec 30 20:04:40 <flare576> Jack87: right, so the other 140MB of apps was either settings/cache or homebrew.
Dec 30 20:04:43 <egaudet_work> is xorg around?
Dec 30 20:04:49 <destinal> ah, it's  http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p135r0d12302009/sr1ntp135rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Dec 30 20:04:53 <flare576> so, not a valid test of "what happens when it tries to auto-install too much"
Dec 30 20:05:02 <Jack87> jacques: when i talked to palm they told me it was in more info which it is not and wouldnt believe me when i told them
Dec 30 20:05:27 <atlanta> Jack87: it is there
Dec 30 20:05:29 <jacques> what is this webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp thing? I just want the .jar
Dec 30 20:05:30 <Mortan> sweet destinal :) thanks!
Dec 30 20:05:39 <Mortan> i will give it a shot
Dec 30 20:05:41 <Jack87> flare576: ya its an annoying test to try and do
Dec 30 20:05:42 <atlanta> jacques: use the link destinal posted
Dec 30 20:05:55 <jacques> duh sorry didn't look up
Dec 30 20:06:05 <Jack87> atlanta: its not in more info its just in device info :)
Dec 30 20:06:10 <atlanta> yea oopps
Dec 30 20:06:13 <atlanta> just looked at the phone
Dec 30 20:06:31 <atlanta> destinal: thanks for the link i was off by 2 days on the link
Dec 30 20:06:40 <atlanta> thougth it was the 12282009
Dec 30 20:06:42 <Jack87> atlanta: if it makes you feel better palm thinks its in more info ;)
Dec 30 20:06:52 <jacques> thanks a lot destinal
Dec 30 20:07:41 <Mortan> you guys are so much more helpful than mr. Andy Garcia i talked to from palm chat support
Dec 30 20:07:41 <atlanta> destinal: gonna update the page nw
Dec 30 20:07:44 <jacques> heh, this work connection is really fast when nobody is here
Dec 30 20:07:46 <Jack87> looks like i cant get bluetooth tethering going on 1.3.5 yet... PuffTheMagic did you have any luck with that?
Dec 30 20:08:05 <jacques> Jack87: how about usbnet tethering?
Dec 30 20:08:07 <Jack87> nevermind just did it
Dec 30 20:08:17 <Jack87> usb and bluetooth work like a charm
Dec 30 20:08:23 <jacques> Jack87: excellent.
Dec 30 20:08:26 <flare576> oh jesus... I just realized I need to reconfigure git/quilt/dropbear/openssh/... :'(
Dec 30 20:08:45 <atlanta> TIME TO GET WIFI TETHERING WORKING
Dec 30 20:08:53 <atlanta> wiki updated with 1.3.5 link
Dec 30 20:09:05 <atlanta> didnt feel like md5 suming the file so will leave that to someone else
Dec 30 20:09:16 <destinal> pixi is http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pixi/px135r0d12302009/sr1ntp135rod/webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar
Dec 30 20:09:18 <destinal> also
Dec 30 20:09:22 <jacques> 4daef882c96461dc1c60cc907c4dfbf0  webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Dec 30 20:09:26 <atlanta> destinal: thanks will wupdate that
Dec 30 20:09:42 <zsoc> So I think WebGL works now
Dec 30 20:09:46 <Jack87> bluetooth pre ip is 10.1.1.11 now
Dec 30 20:09:51 <Jack87> before it was 10.1.1.10
Dec 30 20:10:01 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: yeah it works
Dec 30 20:10:03 <zsoc> like no joke
Dec 30 20:10:24 <atlanta> zsoc: it does
Dec 30 20:10:26 <destinal> zsoc: awesome
Dec 30 20:10:31 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: did you notice the ip change?
Dec 30 20:10:33 <flare576> so.. dumb question.  I followed http://www.precentral.net/how-back-your-palm-profile-information?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net
Dec 30 20:10:37 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: its called dhcp
Dec 30 20:10:49 <atlanta> http://www.benjoffe.com/code/demos/canvascape/
Dec 30 20:10:57 <atlanta> for anyway that wants to test out webgl in action
Dec 30 20:11:05 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: ya they changed the dhcp rules?
Dec 30 20:11:08 <flare576> and got my PalmDatabase.db3 file, but I can't overwrite it while it's in use...
Dec 30 20:11:10 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: no
Dec 30 20:11:20 <flare576> how the hell do I restore that file
Dec 30 20:11:27 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: haha enlighten me i am not too bright
Dec 30 20:11:32 <atlanta> flare576: dont use that method
Dec 30 20:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: what are u not understanding?
Dec 30 20:11:48 <atlanta> just let the phone restore the profile
Dec 30 20:11:54 <flare576> I really don't want to go back through and re-link 50 accounts
Dec 30 20:12:10 <flare576> and from what I saw, it didn't do it automagically.
Dec 30 20:12:14 <Jack87> why is it 10.1.1.10 now... where as before it was always 10.1.1.10 on bluetooth
Dec 30 20:12:44 <atlanta> flare576:  u will run into problems down the road doing it
Dec 30 20:13:04 <flare576> hmm, you're probably right.  Is there another way of recovering those links?
Dec 30 20:13:20 <atlanta> noep
Dec 30 20:13:24 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: dhcp uses a "range" of IP's
Dec 30 20:13:31 <PuffTheMagic> which starts at .10
Dec 30 20:13:36 <PuffTheMagic> and goes to some number i dont remember
Dec 30 20:13:42 <flare576> frak.  Oh, well.  I guess that's the price I accepted when I started dicking with partition tables ;)
Dec 30 20:13:42 <PuffTheMagic> so if it gave you 11
Dec 30 20:13:46 <PuffTheMagic> 10 is probably in use
Dec 30 20:13:54 <PuffTheMagic> or has a lease that hasnt expired
Dec 30 20:13:55 <zsoc> atlanta: technically that demo isn't in the webGL spec
Dec 30 20:14:03 <atlanta> zsoc: oops
Dec 30 20:14:10 <flare576> in that case... 1.3.5 time.
Dec 30 20:14:17 <atlanta> brb
Dec 30 20:14:41 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: what would be using 10? anyway when you bluetooth tether again double check see if yours is 10 or 11 or get a chance peak at the dhcp rules see if the changed it from starting at 10 to 11
Dec 30 20:15:10 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: wow... you really dont get dhcp do you
Dec 30 20:16:07 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: dhcp assighns IP that is available for use. but the thing is there is no reason why it wouldnt asssign 10 to the phone unless the rules are changed.. considering i have not paired phone with a computer in over a month or paired it with anything for that matter
Dec 30 20:16:08 <destinal> Jack87: you can be assigned any IP address in a range
Dec 30 20:16:37 <Jack87> destinal: but it starts from the first ip? in this case being 10?
Dec 30 20:17:09 <Mortan> <--- running US pre doctor on german gsm pre
Dec 30 20:17:12 <Mortan> wish me luck lol
Dec 30 20:17:12 <jtrucks> so the browser cna't run java, yet, right?
Dec 30 20:17:41 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: wrong
Dec 30 20:17:52 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: :) ok thanks
Dec 30 20:17:55 <dBsooner> wow!
Dec 30 20:18:00 <dBsooner> I ahven't been on in days!
Dec 30 20:18:08 <dBsooner> my backlog took like 10 minutes to scroll
Dec 30 20:18:08 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: there are other reasons, why your ip would not be .10
Dec 30 20:18:15 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: besides a rule change
Dec 30 20:18:17 <dBsooner> Sorry I have been gone guys.. I have been sick sick sick
Dec 30 20:18:23 <dBsooner> as well as it being Christmas..
Dec 30 20:18:31 <destinal> jtrucks: I think there's still no java plugin
Dec 30 20:18:32 <jacques> wb dBsooner
Dec 30 20:18:33 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: like .10 having a active lease
Dec 30 20:18:34 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: ping
Dec 30 20:18:40 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Dec 30 20:18:42 <jtrucks> dBsooner: we've been busy :)
Dec 30 20:18:43 <egaudet_work> pong
Dec 30 20:18:45 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: hi
Dec 30 20:19:00 <dBsooner> hey eric.. how did APT do during the 1.3.5 upgrade?
Dec 30 20:19:12 * dBsooner caught some stomach virus that knocked me out for 2 days
Dec 30 20:19:19 <jtrucks> dBsooner: bummer
Dec 30 20:19:21 <dBsooner> and before that was Christmas
Dec 30 20:19:22 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: thanks. so the pre only uses 10 subnet for bluetooth use?
Dec 30 20:19:28 <dBsooner> I am now in El Paso, TX
Dec 30 20:19:37 <dBsooner> laying in a hotel (Travelodge) bed.
Dec 30 20:19:44 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: I don't know, nothing is going really smoothly because of the app migration
Dec 30 20:20:06 * dBsooner 's went smoothly.
Dec 30 20:20:10 <egaudet_work> patches among other things break app migration process and require an EMH fix
Dec 30 20:20:17 * dBsooner already had 1.3.5 installed for hte last moght
Dec 30 20:20:21 <dBsooner> and just did "Update" to 1.3.5
Dec 30 20:20:39 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: did you have any patcehs or services installed
Dec 30 20:20:41 <dBsooner> how is AUPT testing?
Dec 30 20:20:51 <dBsooner> egaudet_work negative.. I uninstalled them all
Dec 30 20:21:00 <dBsooner> and my services were already migrated to 1.3.5
Dec 30 20:21:03 <dBsooner> I have NOTHING isntalled to /var
Dec 30 20:21:14 <egaudet_work> aupt testing is stalled for me right now, my preware stays spinning on downloading/installing when i hit update
Dec 30 20:21:19 <egaudet_work> and im at work so can't do much debugging
Dec 30 20:21:21 <dBsooner> everything i have has been installed to /media/cryptofs/apps for at least 2 weeks now
Dec 30 20:21:47 <egaudet_work> yea well not everyone has been so fortunate dBsooner :p
Dec 30 20:22:00 <Jack87> dBsooner: thanks for not sharing!
Dec 30 20:22:20 <jtrucks> mine is now working after I stripped out Preware and the package manager service and used WOSQI to reinstall them.
Dec 30 20:22:38 <dBsooner> Hmm
Dec 30 20:22:56 <dBsooner> is the doctor available?
Dec 30 20:23:06 <dBsooner> and what build is the SDk avail for public download?
Dec 30 20:23:13 <dBsooner> 314 was the build I have I think
Dec 30 20:23:33 <dBsooner> 1.3.5.345
Dec 30 20:23:35 <dBsooner> is what I have
Dec 30 20:23:36 <dBsooner> 354*
Dec 30 20:24:13 <Abyssul> You guys read about the Pre Plus?
Dec 30 20:24:18 <Abyssul> Wtf much?^
Dec 30 20:24:27 <dBsooner> ?
Dec 30 20:24:38 <Abyssul> on Engadget
Dec 30 20:24:40 <flare576> device evolution?  surprise
Dec 30 20:24:44 <destinal> dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 30 20:24:48 <zsoc> also I take all that back. opengl es doesn't seem to function asi originally thought
Dec 30 20:25:05 <dBsooner> wht must destinal link me to our wiki?
Dec 30 20:25:05 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 30 20:25:35 <dBsooner> can someone MD5SUM the doctor?
Dec 30 20:25:43 <dBsooner> its not listed in the md5sums
Dec 30 20:25:44 <destinal>  dBsooner: heh, you asked :)
Dec 30 20:25:59 * dBsooner is soo excited..
Dec 30 20:26:00 <destinal> dBsooner: yes that's because we just put up that link a few minutes ago
Dec 30 20:26:15 * dBsooner is about to get his paid versions of Tweed and Topple Ball back!
Dec 30 20:26:16 <destinal> dBsooner: someone has to download it to sum it
Dec 30 20:26:25 <dBsooner> destinal: download it
Dec 30 20:26:34 <destinal> dBsooner: sir! yes sir!
Dec 30 20:26:39 * destinal goes to download it
Dec 30 20:26:39 <dBsooner> destinal: I am on a SHITTY Travelodge wifi
Dec 30 20:26:41 <dBsooner> or I would
Dec 30 20:26:44 <Mortan> ok so i just tried the american doc
Dec 30 20:26:49 <dBsooner> I mean S-H-I-T-T-Y
Dec 30 20:27:00 <dBsooner> I think my speedtest earlier was 350Kbps
Dec 30 20:27:04 <dBsooner> yes.. BITS
Dec 30 20:27:20 <Mortan> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/802998/Untitled.png
Dec 30 20:27:22 <destinal> dBsooner: it'll take a few minutes
Dec 30 20:27:32 <dBsooner> k.. I just want to know if its the same as my version
Dec 30 20:27:42 <dBsooner> (the one from the early-release beta)
Dec 30 20:27:56 <destinal> dBsooner: probably is not, but we will see
Dec 30 20:27:59 <Mortan> So whoever said you could flash a GSM pre with the sprint doctor
Dec 30 20:28:00 <Mortan> no dic
Dec 30 20:28:01 <Mortan> e
Dec 30 20:28:04 <dBsooner> if its not, then I must dl'd it
Dec 30 20:28:14 <zsoc> Abyssul: the 'Plus' is the larger bill you'll be getting with verizon
Dec 30 20:28:22 <destinal> Mortan: many people have up to 1.3.1.
Dec 30 20:28:28 <destinal> Mortan: what problem?
Dec 30 20:28:50 <Abyssul> zsoc: Yea, I just read that lol
Dec 30 20:29:00 <Mortan> couldn't flash with 1.3.5
Dec 30 20:29:11 <destinal> Mortan: was there some kind of error?
Dec 30 20:29:15 <destinal> if so, what was it?
Dec 30 20:29:26 <Mortan> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/802998/Untitled.png
Dec 30 20:29:35 <destinal> oooh
Dec 30 20:29:37 <destinal> that's new
Dec 30 20:29:49 <Mortan> i like to keep things fresh
Dec 30 20:30:00 <jacques> 4daef882c96461dc1c60cc907c4dfbf0  webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Dec 30 20:30:05 <destinal> that screen must have been added in 1.3.5.
Dec 30 20:30:20 <Mortan> <-- back to installing ubuntu for me i guess
Dec 30 20:30:46 <zsoc> Mortan: meta doctor is your best bet
Dec 30 20:30:57 <Mortan> yup i'm on it
Dec 30 20:31:04 <Mortan> via VirtualBox
Dec 30 20:31:11 <jacques> dBsooner and destinal I md5summed the 1.3.5 pre doctor as seen above
Dec 30 20:31:20 <dBsooner> ahh.. thanks Jack87
Dec 30 20:31:22 <destinal> probably Metadoctor will need an enhancement to make that screen go away too
Dec 30 20:31:22 <dBsooner> err
Dec 30 20:31:27 <dBsooner> jacques (tab fail)
Dec 30 20:31:29 <jacques> heh
Dec 30 20:31:36 <Mortan> btw really nice piece of software, MS virtual machine didn't work on this machine
Dec 30 20:31:37 <Jack87> dBsooner: :) good times!
Dec 30 20:32:52 * jacques wonders if it would be possible to remove certain sprint apps with meta-doctor
Dec 30 20:33:22 <destinal> jacques: confirmed your md5sum
Dec 30 20:33:38 <dBsooner> fail
Dec 30 20:33:40 <dBsooner> it's newer
Dec 30 20:33:48 <dBsooner> or different.. I must download it. :(
Dec 30 20:33:52 <jacques> destinal: cool
Dec 30 20:34:10 <dBsooner> wtf! Why is this thing still "Unpacking"?!?!
Dec 30 20:34:54 <Abyssul> It takes quite a while
Dec 30 20:35:15 <egaudet_work> does metadoctor pack preware into it?
Dec 30 20:35:43 <Abyssul> Rofl, at first I thought you were talking about WebOS Doctor egaudet_work.
Dec 30 20:35:55 <Abyssul> Be nice to have Preware by default on WebOS devices :p
Dec 30 20:36:08 <egaudet_work> yea it'd be awesome
Dec 30 20:36:58 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: no.. meta doctor just modifies the stock doctor
Dec 30 20:37:01 <dBsooner> doesn't add any programs
Dec 30 20:37:06 <dBsooner> just bypasses activation
Dec 30 20:37:12 <egaudet_work> could it
Dec 30 20:37:15 <dBsooner> and extended /var partition
Dec 30 20:37:27 <dBsooner> I suppose it "could"
Dec 30 20:37:39 <egaudet_work> I would like to metadoctor a doctor version that puts my Pre in dev mode with Preware preinstalled.  would help speed things up for me
Dec 30 20:37:52 <dBsooner> 28.2KB/s
Dec 30 20:37:56 <dBsooner> this is going to take FOREVER
Dec 30 20:40:03 <destinal> egaudet_work: meta can put you in devmode by default
Dec 30 20:40:13 <destinal> doesn't do the rest of that yet
Dec 30 20:40:23 <Abyssul> Pre Plus is rumored to include voice dialing?
Dec 30 20:40:27 <dBsooner> devmode is easy
Dec 30 20:40:30 <dBsooner> just requires a reboot
Dec 30 20:40:34 <dBsooner> "webos20090606"
Dec 30 20:40:37 <egaudet_work> maybe it -should- preinstall preware :)
Dec 30 20:40:53 <dBsooner> Why even use meta doctor?
Dec 30 20:41:19 <egaudet_work> because it gives a better doctor than the stock one
Dec 30 20:41:44 <dBsooner> how so?
Dec 30 20:41:54 <egaudet_work> if i can create a doctor to do the things I want ahead of time it's better than doctoring, then performing all the steps to get preware and other stuff I need etc...
Dec 30 20:42:01 <jacques> I used it to increase my /var to 2GiB
Dec 30 20:42:04 <Mousey> nurse!
Dec 30 20:42:21 <dBsooner> jacques: so did I.. before 1.3.5 early-access came along
Dec 30 20:42:47 <jacques> I'm planning on having lots of optware stuff in /var
Dec 30 20:43:04 <Mousey> well,
Dec 30 20:43:07 <Mousey> still no jabber client
Dec 30 20:43:19 <Mousey> and still https websites on non-standard ports DON'T WORK
Dec 30 20:43:23 * Mousey is disappointed
Dec 30 20:43:38 <elpollodiablo1> question if it uses purple lib why arnt there more IM clients supported?
Dec 30 20:43:49 <Mousey> elpollodiablo1: great question
Dec 30 20:44:03 <Mousey> even if not just more XMPP server options
Dec 30 20:44:09 <destinal> elpollodiablo1: because people haven't built the plugins and enhanced the messenger programs, and probably most important, synergyu
Dec 30 20:44:14 <destinal> s/yu/y/
Dec 30 20:44:14 <infobot> destinal meant: elpollodiablo1: because people haven't built the plugins and enhanced the messenger programs, and probably most important, synergy
Dec 30 20:44:33 <Abyssul> Why are people saying that smartreflex doesnt work in 1.3.5?
Dec 30 20:44:37 <destinal> well most important as to why it's tricky, not most important for users
Dec 30 20:44:38 <Abyssul> I have it enabled right now...
Dec 30 20:44:51 <dBsooner> Abyssul: because people are dumb
Dec 30 20:44:58 * Mousey is dumb
Dec 30 20:45:19 <elpollodiablo1> ok that is what I was thinking, it was more of an integration to their programs. good answer
Dec 30 20:46:04 <elpollodiablo1> I am probably just going to install finch in the terminal and use that as my IM client
Dec 30 20:46:07 <destinal> elpollodiablo1: originally it was because we didn't have working source code for palm's libpurple-adapter service
Dec 30 20:46:17 <destinal> but that was solved a long time ago
Dec 30 20:47:09 <flare576> stupid network proxy
Dec 30 20:47:18 <jacques> so the media player supports ogg-vorbis audio now?
Dec 30 20:47:20 <flare576> I like the 1.3.5 install screen
Dec 30 20:50:10 <Abyssul> jacques: I dont think so. I think I heard something about how the libraries are there , but not implemented?
Dec 30 20:50:31 <jacques> Abyssul: ok, I was just assuming because the libs are there
Dec 30 20:52:49 <Mousey> so does anyone know a workaround for https sites on non-standard ports?
Dec 30 20:52:54 <Mousey> it doesn't work
Dec 30 20:53:03 <Abyssul> dBsooner: Wifi stays on always now when connected :p
Dec 30 20:53:33 <destinal> Mousey: umm.. hmm..  it would probably require loading a proxy server on the pre, at this point
Dec 30 20:53:36 <coles> Mousey: iptables?
Dec 30 20:53:44 <Mousey> there's a thought
Dec 30 20:53:45 <destinal> oh, that would work too
Dec 30 20:53:47 * Mousey checks iptables
Dec 30 20:53:57 <coles> redirect all traffic to foo:1234 to foo:80
Dec 30 20:53:58 <destinal> of course you lose 443 on that host
Dec 30 20:54:08 <Mousey> wait
Dec 30 20:54:08 <Mousey> no
Dec 30 20:54:19 <Mousey> i have a host with 3 or 4 different SSL'ized virtual domains
Dec 30 20:54:25 <Mousey> none of which are reachable from a pre
Dec 30 20:54:31 <jacques> Mousey: ask rwhitby if delagate can do it
Dec 30 20:54:43 <Mousey> i'd like my regular -browser- to do it
Dec 30 20:54:44 <jacques> s/delagate/delegate/
Dec 30 20:54:45 <infobot> jacques meant: Mousey: ask rwhitby if delegate can do it
Dec 30 20:54:46 <Jack87> yay no vcast on verizon pre
Dec 30 20:54:50 <bhern> mousey, are you seeing a general failure (browser, mojo)?
Dec 30 20:54:52 <coles> Mousey: do they have a world-visible IP:port combination?
Dec 30 20:54:52 <Mousey> it worked find before 1.3.1
Dec 30 20:54:58 <dBsooner> Abyssul: i thought that was a bug
Dec 30 20:55:08 <dBsooner> Abyssul: chuq, Adora and I all agreed that was a bug
Dec 30 20:55:10 <destinal> Mousey: well, you could always downgrade your browser  :)
Dec 30 20:55:15 <Mousey> bhern: Unable To Load Page
Dec 30 20:55:24 <Mousey> folowed by the url, and Error loading page [2051[
Dec 30 20:55:31 <Mortan> So.. metadoctor is basically just a patched version of the original doctor?
Dec 30 20:55:32 <bhern> can you send me the url?
Dec 30 20:55:34 <jacques> dBsooner: the wifi thing? I don't think so. I think it's using wifi powersaving mode
Dec 30 20:55:35 <Mousey> [2051]
Dec 30 20:55:43 <bhern> i dont think it's the firewall rules
Dec 30 20:55:50 <bhern> (on the device anyways)
Dec 30 20:55:51 <dBsooner> so it only stays on IF its already connecfted
Dec 30 20:55:53 <destinal> Mousey: have you reported this bug with Palm?
Dec 30 20:56:00 <destinal> in email etc
Dec 30 20:56:03 <jacques> dBsooner: yeah
Dec 30 20:56:05 <Mousey> destinal: many people have
Dec 30 20:56:05 <meCka> hey guys whats sup
Dec 30 20:56:06 <dBsooner> in other words, it won't sit and hunt for a network while dormant.
Dec 30 20:56:29 <destinal> Mousey: so I'm really serious, you could pull the browser app and browser plugin from a previous version of webos and try it
Dec 30 20:56:36 <Mortan> @destinal so the metadoc is just a patched version of the doc?
Dec 30 20:56:38 <dBsooner> Mortan: yes
Dec 30 20:56:44 <Mousey> destinal: it'd almost be worth it
Dec 30 20:57:00 <Mousey> bhern: try https://jukebox.ross154.net:8004
Dec 30 20:57:04 <destinal> Mortan: metadoctor is a tool for making yourself a patched version of the doctor, patched according to your own parameters
Dec 30 20:57:17 <Mousey> s/metadoctor/nurse/
Dec 30 20:57:18 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 30 20:57:29 <Mortan> so why isn't this just hosted somewhere inconspicuous, instead of everyone having to install ubuntu and sftuff? :p
Dec 30 20:57:47 <Mousey> whats wrong with everyone installing ubuntu? =)
Dec 30 20:57:54 <meCka> destinal: hey i finally pacthed it and did it threw linux it was peace of cake
Dec 30 20:58:04 <egaudet_work> Mortan: we can't redistribute a modified doctor
Dec 30 20:58:06 <egaudet_work> you have to modify it yourself
Dec 30 20:58:10 <destinal> Mortan: uh, that would eliminate the ability for you to make your own changes also
Dec 30 20:58:25 <Mortan> yeah i reckoned.. but aint that what torrents are for? ;p
Dec 30 20:58:25 <meCka> Mortan: Ill help u PM me
Dec 30 20:58:35 <destinal> the tool can make different modified doctors for different changes
Dec 30 20:58:59 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: since you are working on it... get me preware as an option in metadoctor ;)
Dec 30 20:59:00 <Mortan> one sec, i'll rejoin this channel using a real irc client, i'm using a webbased one atm
Dec 30 20:59:10 <bhern> mousey: it opened for me in browser
Dec 30 20:59:22 <destinal> Mortan: PuffTheMagic is working on making a simple gui cross platform thing so you won't need ubuntu eventually
Dec 30 20:59:51 <Mousey> bhern: i see that. it works for some and not for others
Dec 30 20:59:53 <destinal> meCka: awesome
Dec 30 20:59:53 <Mousey> BUT WHY?
Dec 30 20:59:55 <Mortan> ok that is awesome
Dec 30 21:00:05 <coles> Mousey: the following will allow you to go to the address 10.20.30.40 (port 80) in the browser, but have the traffic to be redirected to where it should actually go: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 10.20.30.40 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to real.ip.address:port
Dec 30 21:00:06 <bhern> wifi network issue?
Dec 30 21:00:20 <Mousey> bhern: i'm NOT ON WIFI
Dec 30 21:00:21 <luwangui> <-- Mortan
Dec 30 21:00:22 <luwangui> :)
Dec 30 21:00:37 <bhern> you could check the messages log and take a look at the iptables config (in case something has messed with it)
Dec 30 21:00:38 <meCka> destinal: yep, i learned quick hehe.. Now i need to find a way of taking out that patched file out of virtualbox and trasnfer it to my windows desktop.
Dec 30 21:01:08 <destinal> meCka: I'd just install openssh-server on the ubuntu box and use winscp to log in to it
Dec 30 21:01:11 <luwangui> yeah i was wondering about that step
Dec 30 21:01:26 <Mousey> none of the existing iptables rules would restrict my connections
Dec 30 21:01:28 <bhern> but the system should allow outbound tcp connects and response traffic to arbitrary ports
Dec 30 21:01:33 <meCka> destinal: let me try that.
Dec 30 21:01:46 <luwangui> my poor lappy is getting hammered running 2 OS's :/
Dec 30 21:01:47 <bhern> the browser should also allow connection to https urls on non-standard ports
Dec 30 21:01:59 <Mousey> it doesn't
Dec 30 21:02:04 <Mousey> the request never even reaches the server
Dec 30 21:02:13 <Mousey> and i CANNOT get an answer on what Error 2051 means
Dec 30 21:02:21 <bhern> 1.3.5?
Dec 30 21:02:25 <Mousey> yes, and 1.3.1
Dec 30 21:02:33 <Mousey> i'm not the only one experiencing this problem
Dec 30 21:02:37 <Mousey> it works for a while, then stops
Dec 30 21:02:42 <Mousey> and it never works again
Dec 30 21:02:44 <Mousey> even after doctoring
Dec 30 21:02:57 <Mousey> and no log on the phone is recording anything
Dec 30 21:03:35 <luwangui> <-- Mortan is still here :p
Dec 30 21:03:39 <Mousey> same with https://merlin.ross154.net:8079 and https://nwn.ross154.net:8888
Dec 30 21:03:54 <Abyssul> YES!
Dec 30 21:04:07 <Abyssul> animated gifs work for messaging emoticons
Dec 30 21:04:16 <Mousey> uh oh
Dec 30 21:04:55 <coles> Mousey: error 2051 is only triggered when the browser refuses to use https to a non-standard port, in the interests of 'security'
Dec 30 21:05:01 <meCka> Abyssul: is that in the new 1.3.5 update?
Dec 30 21:05:09 <Mousey> coles: bug
Dec 30 21:05:12 <coles> totally
Dec 30 21:05:20 <coles> is the wrong way to fix the problem
Dec 30 21:05:33 <Abyssul> meCka: yea. The change log mentioned only Browser support, but it works for email and messaging too. I havn't checked photos app, but it should.
Dec 30 21:05:51 <Mousey> strongly irritating bug
Dec 30 21:05:51 <coles> the iptables line I pasted above will at least let the browser think it's going to port 80, thus circumenting the problem
Dec 30 21:05:53 <jacques> I hope animated gifs are disableable
Dec 30 21:06:10 <meCka> Abyssul: awesome.
Dec 30 21:06:29 * luwangui is not looking forward to getting meatspinned on my pre
Dec 30 21:06:47 <Abyssul> but animated radars work now
Dec 30 21:06:52 <Abyssul> and Im sure there are other uses
Dec 30 21:07:20 <meCka> were can i get openssh-server for ubuntu?
Dec 30 21:07:36 <bhern> it's not blocking non-standard ports 'in the name of security'. if it's failing to connect it's a bug (assuming there's no cert issue, TLS MITM problems, etc)
Dec 30 21:07:43 <meCka> its not under the ubuntu software center
Dec 30 21:08:29 <bhern> 2051 i believe inidicates a TLS level problem verifying the peer
Dec 30 21:08:38 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: look for sshd that should be it
Dec 30 21:09:05 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: 0 matching items when i type sshd
Dec 30 21:09:34 <dBsooner> how long does this update take to install?
Dec 30 21:10:14 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: are you looking in Synaptic Package Manager?
Dec 30 21:10:17 <dBsooner> i had the screen with "installing update, do not remove battery" with the white circle that slowly filled its way around the circle.
Dec 30 21:10:33 <dBsooner> then it got to about 7 o'clock (66%?) and it rebooted?
Dec 30 21:10:34 <flare576> dBsooner: took around 30 min here
Dec 30 21:10:43 <flare576> dBsooner: and yeah, it did a reboot once
Dec 30 21:10:49 <flare576> dBsooner: then started the circle again
Dec 30 21:10:52 <dBsooner> then it came to a second "installing update, do not remove battery"
Dec 30 21:10:56 <flare576> dBsooner: yup
Dec 30 21:11:00 <dBsooner> christ sakes
Dec 30 21:11:11 <Mousey> bhern: the certs i'm using are self signed
Dec 30 21:11:19 <flare576> dBsooner: god has no place in updates.
Dec 30 21:11:22 * dBsooner has rethought the idea of re-compiling his kernel ON the pre.
Dec 30 21:11:24 <Mousey> but i have the root cert installed on the phone, had to for my email server
Dec 30 21:11:35 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: i searched for it on the ubuntu software center
Dec 30 21:11:46 <Mousey> bhern: so why can't it just check the root cert i have installed instead of outright failure?
Dec 30 21:11:47 <bhern> the browser should allow you to add unknonw certs to the trust list
Dec 30 21:11:47 <Mousey> BUG!
Dec 30 21:12:07 <Mousey> bhern: it should check the existing cert store for the cert
Dec 30 21:12:39 * dBsooner can't believe Mike Leach was fired.
Dec 30 21:12:59 <bhern> if you have previously (in the browser) added the cert it should trust it
Dec 30 21:13:19 <bhern> there are some known issues with these from Mojo code but the browser should behave fine
Dec 30 21:13:45 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: you are running 9.10 arnt you, for some reason it is dumb and does not have it there
Dec 30 21:14:06 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: yea 9.10
Dec 30 21:14:25 <navinag_> egaudet_work: finally got this all squared away...my pre is happy now...thanks for your help
Dec 30 21:14:25 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=1165
Dec 30 21:14:26 <bhern> this also assumes you added the cert through the browser, not by hand via novaterm or anything
Dec 30 21:14:32 <egaudet_work> navinag_: nice.  so ipkg -o /var list_installed empty now?
Dec 30 21:14:54 <navinag_> egaudet_work...still has a few like diffstat and gnupatch
Dec 30 21:15:07 <egaudet_work> yea
Dec 30 21:15:09 <navinag_> egaudet_work: but not apps
Dec 30 21:15:14 <egaudet_work> good
Dec 30 21:15:21 <bhern> theres also the certificate mgr available in the pref menu of the device info app
Dec 30 21:15:29 <egaudet_work> I believe xorg is aware of the issue now and is working on a mvapp solution
Dec 30 21:15:43 <navinag_> egaudet_work: thanks
Dec 30 21:16:47 <bhern> but if youre not seeing any connect (tcp traffic) at the server and no warning about certs from the browser app it's likely a different problem
Dec 30 21:18:18 <bhern> no browser UI, and no http logs on server but tcp/ssl traffic at the server would likely indicate some lower level TLS problem
Dec 30 21:19:18 <bhern> i believe there are some malformed cert cases that can trigger that
Dec 30 21:19:33 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: got it. whats the best port to use to set it up?
Dec 30 21:19:56 <elpollodiablo1> meCKA: I use 22 that is the default port
Dec 30 21:20:08 <dBsooner> so is PMS 0.9.28 current? or is it alpha?
Dec 30 21:21:03 <meCka> elpollodiablo1 k, got it setup now. whats the IP address?
Dec 30 21:21:10 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: to log in from winscp
Dec 30 21:21:53 <destinal> meCka: use  "ifconfig"   to check your IP addresses
Dec 30 21:22:38 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: yeah that would work, or just click the network manager icon and view details should show it
Dec 30 21:24:00 <meCka> is password left blank? I already put in the username
Dec 30 21:25:29 <elpollodiablo1> password should be the password for the username, but it will not populate with ***** like windows does, even though it still recognizes it
Dec 30 21:26:50 <meCka> says connection refused
Dec 30 21:27:19 <elpollodiablo1> are you trying to log in as root?
Dec 30 21:28:00 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: i put PermitRootLogin no so i guess not
Dec 30 21:28:51 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: 27/12 are current ipkgservice/preware
Dec 30 21:28:55 <egaudet_work> 28/13 are test
Dec 30 21:28:57 <dBsooner> ahh
Dec 30 21:28:59 <dBsooner> I am using 28
Dec 30 21:29:03 <dBsooner> works fine
Dec 30 21:29:04 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 30 21:29:20 <elpollodiablo1> meCka did you set AllowUsers correctly
Dec 30 21:29:21 <elpollodiablo1> ?
Dec 30 21:29:30 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 30 21:29:34 <egaudet_work> 28 has the signing stuff I think
Dec 30 21:29:46 <destinal> elpollodiablo1: he shouldn't need to have modified root login or allow users, default should just work out of the box
Dec 30 21:29:56 <egaudet_work> morning rwhitby, what do you think of ipkgservice having its own package migration code?
Dec 30 21:29:58 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: i put AllowUsers meCka
Dec 30 21:30:06 <Guest36123> back
Dec 30 21:30:48 <elpollodiablo1> I know he shouldnt have to was part of the walkthrough I sent him.
Dec 30 21:31:05 <destinal> the only thing he ever needed to do was:   sudo apt-get install openssh-server
Dec 30 21:31:22 <dBsooner> mroning rwhitby
Dec 30 21:31:33 <dBsooner> rwhitby: read above where I pinged you as to where I have bene
Dec 30 21:31:41 <elpollodiablo1> meCka: that looks correct to me
Dec 30 21:31:42 <meCka> +destinal should i re-edit it then and remove that stuff i added ?
Dec 30 21:33:34 <destinal> meCka: I would  do  this
Dec 30 21:33:36 <destinal> sudo dpkg -r openssh-server; sudo rm /etc/ssh/sshd_config; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
Dec 30 21:33:48 <destinal> that will put it back to defaults
Dec 30 21:34:39 <elpollodiablo1> if the info was in right it should not matter if it was added or not
Dec 30 21:34:55 <destinal> elpollodiablo1: KISS principle
Dec 30 21:35:08 <destinal> let's keep it simple
Dec 30 21:35:11 <elpollodiablo1> true truee
Dec 30 21:36:51 <elpollodiablo1> I am more of a want to get my hands dirty, learn new things even if they are not needed
Dec 30 21:37:28 <meCka> destinal: i just did it now username/pass is blank right?
Dec 30 21:38:12 <elpollodiablo1> the user and password should be the user and pass to log into linux
Dec 30 21:38:14 <flare576> awwww, I just got the 4x4 patch installed after webos doctor and 1.3.5.... my phone looks so empty w/o homebrew apps :(
Dec 30 21:38:40 <meCka> elpollodiablo1: is not working same error. connection refused
Dec 30 21:38:49 <flare576> ... why does Preware want to fix 177 packages every time it starts?  I know how to turn it off, but why?
Dec 30 21:39:17 <luwangui> What is the command to run a .run file in ubuntu?
Dec 30 21:39:24 <oil> flare576: it hates you
Dec 30 21:39:29 <elpollodiablo1> destinal: any input?
Dec 30 21:39:55 <flare576> oil: that much is obvious, and from your answer, I'm guessing it's actually spelled out all over the place and my lazy butt just asked here instead of lookin?
Dec 30 21:41:09 <luwangui> nm
Dec 30 21:42:32 <Jack87> rwhitby: its the afternoon silly!
Dec 30 21:42:44 <Jack87> ;)
Dec 30 21:44:03 <egaudet_work> flare576: which packages is it fixing is the question
Dec 30 21:44:09 <egaudet_work> you have 177 installed apps?
Dec 30 21:44:13 <flare576> from the count, all of them?
Dec 30 21:44:24 <flare576> including patches, likely
Dec 30 21:44:25 <meCka> destinal: u still here?
Dec 30 21:44:43 <egaudet_work> shut off the "fix" and check in unknown, see which ones it's fixing
Dec 30 21:44:46 <egaudet_work> did you shut your feeds off?
Dec 30 21:44:54 <egaudet_work> it's probably a feed issue
Dec 30 21:44:59 <flare576> feeds are all on
Dec 30 21:45:19 <flare576> turned off fix, restarting
Dec 30 21:46:25 * luwangui will be right back
Dec 30 21:46:52 <jacques> morning rwhitby
Dec 30 21:46:58 <kasjhdfkjafh> i am having probs with installing my patches back.. i finally got preware all back together and working, but when i go to install a patch it wont install any of them..
Dec 30 21:46:59 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: yo
Dec 30 21:47:08 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: u got linky to big tux logo?
Dec 30 21:47:08 <kasjhdfkjafh> gives an ipkg error having to do with diffstat
Dec 30 21:47:10 <PuffTheMagic> the one from wiki?
Dec 30 21:47:42 <flare576> egaudet_work: it looks like the 177 packages are actually not downloaded
Dec 30 21:47:54 <flare576> 156 are themes
Dec 30 21:47:58 <egaudet_work> what big tux logo?
Dec 30 21:48:04 <jacques> kasjhdfkjafh: what's the error?
Dec 30 21:48:11 <PuffTheMagic> <body style="margin: 0px;"><img style="-webkit-user-select: none" src="http://www.webos-internals.org//images/webos-internals-logo.png"></body>
Dec 30 21:48:13 <kasjhdfkjafh> gives an ipkg error having to do with diffstat
Dec 30 21:48:13 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Dec 30 21:48:14 <PuffTheMagic> that one
Dec 30 21:48:15 <egaudet_work> flare576: say what now
Dec 30 21:48:47 <kasjhdfkjafh> i think there was an error during download.. says error 1
Dec 30 21:48:50 <egaudet_work> flare576: so 156 unknown are themes?
Dec 30 21:49:11 <flare576> egaudet_work: well, total of 208 items in "Unknown Other"
Dec 30 21:49:24 <egaudet_work> prethemer themes?
Dec 30 21:49:32 <flare576> most of 'em
Dec 30 21:49:57 <egaudet_work> rwhitby: is there supposed to be a packages file here: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/prethemer/
Dec 30 21:50:02 <flare576> restarting again with fix on to see count
Dec 30 21:51:05 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: you want me to find you a bigger one, is that what you are asking?
Dec 30 21:51:17 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: actually
Dec 30 21:51:29 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i want Templarian to make a large Dorctor Tux
Dec 30 21:51:41 <egaudet_work> desktop large
Dec 30 21:51:56 <Joely> why is there a code now for usbpassthrough in 1.3.5?
Dec 30 21:52:01 * rwhitby sighs at the disrepect for others that was shown in this channel by some participants about 3 hours ago.  Some folks need to re-read the channel charter.
Dec 30 21:52:11 <egaudet_work> We should add preinstalled pacakges ability to metadoctor ;)
Dec 30 21:52:13 <egaudet_work> one day
Dec 30 21:52:36 <flare576> "Fixing unknown packages x/177" .... "Available Other: 192"-> "Linux App 7","Optware 19","Plugin 1", "Service 4","Unknown 161"->"Finance 1","Luna 1","System Utilities 1","Themes 156","Unsorted 2"
Dec 30 21:52:48 <Jack87> rwhitby: it was sad stuff i feel you!
Dec 30 21:53:33 <kasjhdfkjafh> hello? :)
Dec 30 21:53:50 <egaudet_work> flare, update feeds?
Dec 30 21:53:52 <Jack87> rwhitby: luckily it didnt last and it was not antagonised.
Dec 30 21:53:54 <flare576> I don't know what, exactly, that "Fixing Unknown Packages" is supposed to do (I thought it was only supposed to fix stuff I had installed already), but it seems a little odd to fix stuff I don't even have on my phone yet.
Dec 30 21:54:01 <bhern> anyways, regarding certs. i'll go off and test some of the scenarios with 1.3.5 but theres no intent to block connections to to non-standard ports or to disallow self-signed (or other CA signed) certs post user approval. if you see behavior to the contrary, please report a bug
Dec 30 21:54:03 <egaudet_work> so the "unknown" ones aren't installed
Dec 30 21:54:13 <egaudet_work> but are mostly prethemer themes?
Dec 30 21:54:37 <flare576> no, it doesn't appear so, and yes, prethemer appears to dominate the list.
Dec 30 21:54:39 <egaudet_work> flare576: "fixing unknown" is basically saying "I couldn't find a type for this package in the feed, let me check locally"
Dec 30 21:54:48 <bhern> we're already aware of the limitations in Mojo with respect to this but the browser should work correctly
Dec 30 21:55:30 <flare576> egaudet_work: what would I have locally to check against?
Dec 30 21:55:33 <entity-> ii still can't get onto eduroam
Dec 30 21:56:07 <flare576> kasjhdfkjafh: if you would like to make it easier on us answering you, I might suggest /nick <somethingelse>
Dec 30 21:56:14 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: pre-installing preware is on my list of things to add to meta-doctor
Dec 30 21:56:16 <egaudet_work> flare576: well because normally no type means not in feed, and not in feed packages being checked should only be isntalled ones
Dec 30 21:56:39 <lingfish> Morning
Dec 30 21:56:46 <lingfish> Why is there no world clocks in Preware! :P
Dec 30 21:56:49 <kasjhdfkjafh> what is /nick
Dec 30 21:56:56 * rwhitby predicts that there is no "Pre Plus" hardware - it's just the same hardware with a Verizon etching on the mirror on the back.
Dec 30 21:57:00 * oil should make awesome world clock
Dec 30 21:57:05 <flare576> egaudet_work: Ohhh, gotcha.  That makes sense then, so prethemer probably has some work to do on their end to fix their feed?
Dec 30 21:57:10 <flare576> kasjhdfkjafh: it changes your nickname
Dec 30 21:57:20 <lingfish> SUch a simple app, and it ain't there, heh.
Dec 30 21:57:32 <egaudet_work> what's the prethemer feed?
Dec 30 21:57:35 <egaudet_work> i want to check the packages file
Dec 30 21:57:41 <flare576> berniestone: you the man.
Dec 30 21:57:52 <berniestone> ok.. now will you answer me? :)
Dec 30 21:57:53 <Joely> I'm stuck on this screen... where do i get the passcode????  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4224511692_4e1b51d516.jpg
Dec 30 21:58:05 <entity-> paypal me 50$
Dec 30 21:58:13 <flare576> egaudet_work: prethemer.com/feeds/preware/themes
Dec 30 21:58:25 <flare576> berniestone: I would have answered you before if I had seen your question :D
Dec 30 21:58:42 <berniestone> oh.. ok.. so i am having probs with installing my patches back.. i finally got preware all back together and working, but when i go to install a patch it wont install any of them..
Dec 30 21:58:51 <berniestone> gives an ipkg error having to do with diffstat
Dec 30 21:58:58 <berniestone> i think there was an error during download.. says error 1
Dec 30 21:59:10 <lingfish> hrm, "Too many cards" and I have like, 3 open
Dec 30 21:59:11 <lingfish> wtf
Dec 30 21:59:24 <flare576> berniestone: had you done the EPR before 1.3.5?
Dec 30 21:59:29 <berniestone> yup
Dec 30 21:59:44 <zsoc> lingfish: too many cards should actually say 'ran out of memory'
Dec 30 21:59:45 <meCka> can someone help me with this: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6794/error1g.jpg
Dec 30 21:59:45 <flare576> and removed any theme before that?
Dec 30 21:59:48 <berniestone> and now it seems to have disappeared when i search for it under list everything
Dec 30 22:00:00 <lingfish>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Dec 30 22:00:03 <flare576> ah, you may have mis-installed Preware
Dec 30 22:00:04 <lingfish> Mem:        244828     236608       8220          0      12148      41304
Dec 30 22:00:14 <lingfish> zsoc: still some swap free too
Dec 30 22:00:17 <jacques> berniestone: is your pre downloading patches over wifi  or data connection ?
Dec 30 22:00:25 <lingfish> hah, and now it launches.
Dec 30 22:00:26 <flare576> you might want to start at WebOS QI, tear out preware and PMS, restart, reinstall, and try again.
Dec 30 22:00:26 <berniestone> wifi probs
Dec 30 22:00:27 <lingfish> bizarre.
Dec 30 22:00:49 <zsoc> lingfish: you can edit how much in luna.conf
Dec 30 22:00:59 <berniestone> ya.. cause i tried to with preload and it would remove it
Dec 30 22:01:09 <egaudet_work> rwhitby: so I think we can get ipkgservice to do a ipkg -o /var list_installed and then for each package try to install it to the new app area, and then remove from /var...?
Dec 30 22:01:11 <rwhitby> dBsooner: 0.9.28 is the aupt alpha testing version - irrelevant to 1.3.5 problems - 0.9.27 is the public release for 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:01:19 <flare576> you probbaly want to stick with Preware and WebOS Quick Install.
Dec 30 22:01:22 <lingfish> zsoc: k
Dec 30 22:01:26 <dBsooner> I have no problems.
Dec 30 22:01:37 <dBsooner> but updated to .28 because Preware told me to
Dec 30 22:01:48 <lingfish> nothing in app catalog either
Dec 30 22:01:50 <lingfish> how strange.
Dec 30 22:01:52 <zsoc> berniestone: preload breaks everything it touches
Dec 30 22:02:17 <berniestone> ok.. i will try that.. thanks
Dec 30 22:02:25 <zsoc> egaudet_work: I am assuming I should stick with xx26 for 'update all' functionality?
Dec 30 22:02:47 <flare576> Off topic: who writes/maintains the "Luna Manager" app?  I have a request for it to start regardless of memory state ;)
Dec 30 22:02:48 <meCka> anyone?
Dec 30 22:02:48 <egaudet_work> zsoc: 28
Dec 30 22:02:48 <zsoc> oh. 28.
Dec 30 22:03:00 <zsoc> sorry, rod said that 1 second ago. I'm dense today
Dec 30 22:03:04 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: prethemer hosts their own feeds
Dec 30 22:03:40 <zsoc> flare576: you can set what applications you want to start regardless of memory state
Dec 30 22:03:41 <dBsooner> Initial 1.3.5 Public test of ALL patches in feed:
Dec 30 22:03:43 <dBsooner> Succeed: 154
Dec 30 22:03:43 <dBsooner> Skipped: 0
Dec 30 22:03:43 <dBsooner> Failed: 6
Dec 30 22:03:49 <zsoc> flare576: it's in luna.conf
Dec 30 22:04:17 <elpollodiablo1> alright everyone I am out, I should be on later with more input/questions.
Dec 30 22:04:25 <flare576> I will be finding that file zsoc.  do you think it would be possible to write a patch to append to that file?
Dec 30 22:04:35 <destinal> meCka: you need to have a username and password
Dec 30 22:04:36 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: was there a beta test done?
Dec 30 22:04:41 <dBsooner> huh?
Dec 30 22:04:42 <egaudet_work> or is this the first 135 test?
Dec 30 22:05:01 <dBsooner> That was a test of the official 1.3.5 patches I have in the public feed
Dec 30 22:05:07 <zsoc> flare576: sure, but it wouldbe irresponsible in my opinion. that's 'doctoring-only option' territory if you mess something up
Dec 30 22:05:10 <meCka> destinal: i do have when to log into ubuntu
Dec 30 22:05:10 <dBsooner> test installing them on an official 1.3.5 pre
Dec 30 22:05:20 <destinal> meCka: that's the one you should use for winscp also
Dec 30 22:05:35 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: right I'm asking if you tested the 1.3.5 feed with beta 1.3.5 webos early release?
Dec 30 22:05:45 <flare576> zsoc: ah, alright.  Then the answer would be "No, don't make a patch for that" lol
Dec 30 22:05:49 <egaudet_work> wondering if those 6 worked but then changed between beta and official
Dec 30 22:05:59 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: yes
Dec 30 22:06:04 <meCka> destinal: it doesnt work either. im trying to share a folder and i get ths error: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6794/error1g.jpg
Dec 30 22:06:09 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: all 160 worked prior to official
Dec 30 22:06:20 <egaudet_work> so they only broke 6 cool
Dec 30 22:06:30 <dBsooner> and looking at the log, its easy fixes
Dec 30 22:06:31 <jacques> dBsooner: what are the 6?
Dec 30 22:06:34 <dBsooner> mainly in the email app
Dec 30 22:06:49 <jacques> ah, the landscape email everyone is complaining about
Dec 30 22:06:56 <dBsooner> yeah, thats one
Dec 30 22:07:06 <dBsooner> i'll fix it when I get back from lunch/dinner
Dec 30 22:07:11 <dBsooner> we are heading out.. it will be an easy fix
Dec 30 22:07:19 <rwhitby> bhern: any plans for supporting openssl client certs in the browser?  at the moment I'm having to run delegate and hack /etc/hosts to be able to log into such sites ...
Dec 30 22:07:21 * dBsooner is still downloading the doctor anyway
Dec 30 22:08:17 <dBsooner> here are the failed:
Dec 30 22:08:18 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-hide-nascar-app
Dec 30 22:08:20 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.browser-allow-browser-in-low-mem
Dec 30 22:08:22 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.email-enable-landscape-email
Dec 30 22:08:24 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.email-replies-forwards-black-font
Dec 30 22:08:26 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-sms-tone-per-contact
Dec 30 22:08:28 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.patches.phone-enable-gps-dial-action-on-gsm
Dec 30 22:08:39 <zsoc> flare576: well there's already a patch that edits the swap
Dec 30 22:08:51 <dBsooner> ok.. bbiab
Dec 30 22:08:54 <flare576> for the browser, I saw
Dec 30 22:09:15 <jacques> I wish meta-doctor could remove the nascar app before it's even installed :-)
Dec 30 22:09:21 <SteveApos> anyone doctor their phone recently and somehow still have preware tell you there are patches installed, but wont let you remove them?
Dec 30 22:09:42 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: 1.3.5 doctor?
Dec 30 22:09:45 <SteveApos> yeah
Dec 30 22:09:52 <flare576> SteveApos: no, I doctored this morn and everythign went smooth.  I used 1.3.1
Dec 30 22:10:01 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: run EPR
Dec 30 22:10:10 <SteveApos> wont let me
Dec 30 22:10:17 <egaudet_work> oh yea you doctor'd nevermind
Dec 30 22:10:22 <egaudet_work> interesting conundrum
Dec 30 22:10:25 <SteveApos> quite
Dec 30 22:10:46 <egaudet_work> the issue is that now ipkg data is on the media partition, so all the patch stuff was wiped out and files fixed but all the ipkg data left lying around saying they are installed
Dec 30 22:11:09 <egaudet_work> AUPT will handle it fine and allow removal, but the current stuff needs manual intervention
Dec 30 22:11:37 <flare576> egaudet_work: it works when you've dicked with your /var partition and it has to be deleted by teh doctor anyway ;)
Dec 30 22:11:42 <destinal> meCka: you don't need to share a folder, just log in via winscp
Dec 30 22:11:43 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: got a lot of patches installed?
Dec 30 22:11:48 <egaudet_work> do you have terminal access?
Dec 30 22:11:59 <SteveApos> yeah i have terminal and quite a few
Dec 30 22:12:06 <SteveApos> think it said 30 something i'll have to look after i get off the phone lol
Dec 30 22:12:09 <meCka> destinal: log in is not work gives me a connection refuse error
Dec 30 22:12:43 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: well you can either A) manually ipkg remove all 30 of them or B) write a script to remove all 30
Dec 30 22:13:17 <SteveApos> hmm
Dec 30 22:13:21 <egaudet_work> or C) [possibly] run all 30 postinsts to reinstall them manually
Dec 30 22:13:40 <destinal> meCka: run "ifconfig | grep -B1 inet.addr"  -- which of those interfaces IP addresses are you trying to connect to?
Dec 30 22:14:34 <meCka> destinal: im trying to connect to the one that says: Ethernet adapter VistualBox host-only network
Dec 30 22:15:00 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: I think QuickInstall actually might remove the ipkg stuff even when prerm fails, which I think is wrong but could be used in this situation if so
Dec 30 22:16:04 <SteveApos> i'll see if i can make anything with quickinstall because theres 36 of them lol
Dec 30 22:16:41 <egaudet_work> I haven't used QI but it's been reported that it removes the packages even when prerm fails, which worries me but at the same time is good workaround here
Dec 30 22:16:50 <destinal> meCka: ?
Dec 30 22:16:56 <destinal> meCka: in the ifconfig?
Dec 30 22:17:29 <meCka> destinal: ifconfig or ipconfig?
Dec 30 22:17:38 <destinal> meCka: ifconfig, on ubuntu
Dec 30 22:17:52 <destinal> (03:13:41 PM) destinal: meCka: run "ifconfig | grep -B1 inet.addr"  -- which of those interfaces IP addresses are you trying to connect to?
Dec 30 22:19:23 <meCka> destinal: ifconfig gives me local loopback and ethernet ip addeses
Dec 30 22:19:32 <bhern> rwhitby: you mean client cert auth?
Dec 30 22:19:54 <destinal> meCka: the eth0 IP then.   is that the one you've been trying to connect to with winscp?
Dec 30 22:20:30 <bhern> i'm aware of the need for client cert auth both for browser and mojo
Dec 30 22:20:55 <destinal> meCka: the one after "inet addr:"
Dec 30 22:20:59 <bhern> per the usual i cant talk about the when but I do get how important it is
Dec 30 22:21:13 <bhern> per the usual i cant talk about the when but I do get how important it is
Dec 30 22:21:30 <bhern> (so important apparently I said it twice)
Dec 30 22:21:36 <jacques> :-)
Dec 30 22:21:37 <SteveApos> egaudet_work: just got an error while attempting to run /tmp/ipkgScript.sh says that /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-4x4-icons-v3.perm: line4: /var/usr/bin/diffstat: not found as well as line 17 could not be opened and the .patch came up with no such file when using QuickInstall
Dec 30 22:22:02 <rwhitby> bhern: yes, client cert auth.  just knowing that you guys get how important it is is enough for me :-)
Dec 30 22:22:35 <meCka> destinal: yeah
Dec 30 22:25:08 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: does the current public EPR handle removing from 1.3.5 with a migrated diffstat?
Dec 30 22:25:20 <alkos333> Hello folks :)
Dec 30 22:25:32 <alkos333> jacques: Hey there
Dec 30 22:27:23 <acydlord> oh yay, palm has the 1.3.5 webosdoctor up for sprint now
Dec 30 22:27:59 <meCka> acydlord: link plz
Dec 30 22:27:59 <jettero> haha, couple hours after I did 1.3.1 and then 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:28:27 <acydlord> meCka, one sec and i'll get the direct link to the download
Dec 30 22:28:33 <acydlord> i just grabbed the jnlp file
Dec 30 22:28:45 <meCka> i have to meta-doctor 1.3.5 now to bypass activation  *sigh*
Dec 30 22:28:46 <destinal>  acydlord: it's already on the wiki
Dec 30 22:28:51 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 30 22:29:13 <acydlord> ahh, havent checked there yet thismorning =x
Dec 30 22:29:26 <rwhitby> acydlord: put it in your RSS reader ...
Dec 30 22:29:40 <acydlord> rwhitby, good idea
Dec 30 22:30:57 <meCka> rwhitby: thx
Dec 30 22:31:33 <meCka> so can i meta-doctor 1.3.5 also?
Dec 30 22:33:00 <alkos333> Have any of you guys tried usbnet tethering after updating to 1.3.5?
Dec 30 22:33:31 <destinal> alkos333: usbnet, yes.  ip_forwarding + masquerading, I have not
Dec 30 22:33:54 <meCka> destinal: i can meta-doctor 1.3.5 right?
Dec 30 22:34:03 <alkos333> Yes, that's the part that seems to be broken here...
Dec 30 22:34:52 <destinal> meCka: I don't think anyone's tested it yet
Dec 30 22:35:01 <PreGame> is there a new preware for 1.3.5?
Dec 30 22:35:23 <destinal> PreGame: a new ipkgservice version
Dec 30 22:35:29 <meCka> destinal: k. i still cant login withwinscp
Dec 30 22:36:23 <SteveApos> egaudet_work: lol just deleted 112 .control, .list, .postinst, and .prerm files and now its letting me delete them in preware
Dec 30 22:36:41 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: yea you could have just dleted the prerm's
Dec 30 22:36:46 <egaudet_work> great idea
Dec 30 22:36:49 <egaudet_work> completely didn't think of that
Dec 30 22:37:03 <destinal> meCka: don't know what to tell you.  you might want to try using a USB disk to transfer it
Dec 30 22:37:18 <egaudet_work> rwhitby: what do you mean re: EPR?
Dec 30 22:37:22 <egaudet_work> it should work fine in 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:37:30 <meCka> destinal: how can i mount my usb flash disk on ubuntu?
Dec 30 22:37:42 <egaudet_work> it ipkg removes from both var and media
Dec 30 22:38:38 <destinal> shutdown the ubuntu vm,  plug in the USB flash disk, right click on the VM in virtualbox, go to settings, click USB, under USB device filters, click the green plus (add filter from device) and select the flash disk, hit OK, and start up the VM again
Dec 30 22:40:22 <egaudet_work> rwhitby: note that EPR doesn't use patch or diffstat
Dec 30 22:40:39 <Jack87> alkos333: usbnet tethering works you need to assighn the IP yourself i cant get DHCP server to work for usbnet at the momment
Dec 30 22:40:47 <egaudet_work> I should probably remove them as dependencies
Dec 30 22:40:58 <Jack87> i lied it worked one time. but i think it was a fluke
Dec 30 22:42:14 <PreGame> what is the service that needed to be installed to exceed the app install limit?
Dec 30 22:42:16 <alkos333> Jack87:  So you do manually assign an ip to usb0 and the do ssh tunneling or add your own routing rules on your pc as well?
Dec 30 22:42:24 <PreGame> i didn't uninstall it before updating to 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:42:30 <flare576> PreGame: originally, it was fairdinkum
Dec 30 22:42:30 <egaudet_work> app install limit?
Dec 30 22:42:36 <flare576> PreGame: but it was included in PMS
Dec 30 22:42:41 <PreGame> flare576: there was anotherone
Dec 30 22:42:41 <meCka> destinal: i did it but when i logged into ubuntu i don t see the flash dick mounted
Dec 30 22:42:42 <flare576> PreGame: and now is unnecessary.
Dec 30 22:42:46 <PreGame> a linux app i believe
Dec 30 22:42:52 <flare576> mvapp?
Dec 30 22:42:54 <PreGame> yea
Dec 30 22:43:00 <destinal> meCka: you might try unplugging and replugging the flash disk
Dec 30 22:43:11 <egaudet_work> oh yea if you used mvapp you gotta do a little more than others to fix your 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:43:14 <Jack87> alkos333: i been doing it through mytether which does all the ipforwarding for you. but i have to assighn an ip to the network adapter on the pc side
Dec 30 22:43:15 <flare576> just a script that moved stuff to /media/internal/.app for you automagically.
Dec 30 22:43:34 <PreGame> egaudet: is there a tutorial?
Dec 30 22:43:34 <meCka> destinal: do i have to close ubuntu vm ?
Dec 30 22:43:41 <flare576> you don't need to "Uninstall" it, but you DO need to move the apps back
Dec 30 22:43:42 <destinal> nah I mean with it running
Dec 30 22:43:42 <egaudet_work> xorg is working on the solution
Dec 30 22:43:58 <egaudet_work> a workaround is the following:
Dec 30 22:44:08 <flare576> egaudet_work: oh, is it more than just moving the apps back to where they are supposed to be and restarting?
Dec 30 22:44:10 <Jack87> alkos333: i am messing with it as we speak. it retrived ip via dhcp once i cant get it to anymore. dhcp works fine for bluetooth and wifi
Dec 30 22:44:32 <alkos333> I haven't tried wifi and bluetooth
Dec 30 22:44:49 <alkos333> I'm not using mytether here - just strictly doing things manually at the moment.
Dec 30 22:44:52 <egaudet_work> copy all the appinfo.json's from /media/internal/app/<app> to /var/usr/palm/applications/<app>, install EMH to be safe, and then let luna restart.  Once luna restarts it will migrate the apps to media partition
Dec 30 22:45:15 <Jack87> alkos333: have you tethered before manually?
Dec 30 22:45:18 <flare576> oh, that is much slicker
Dec 30 22:45:18 <egaudet_work> then run mvapp postupd to copy the app data to the media partition's app area
Dec 30 22:45:30 <Jack87> alkos333: what operating system are you running
Dec 30 22:45:40 <alkos333> Jack87: yes, I'm at 1.3.1 at the moment and I'm connected via the phone.
Dec 30 22:45:50 <PreGame> i will wait for xorg to post a script or something
Dec 30 22:45:50 <alkos333> Jack87: usbnet + manual tethering ..
Dec 30 22:45:54 <egaudet_work> flare576: the only reason I don't suggest moving apps wehre they should be (i.e. back to var) is because var has a size limit and many people could have more app data than can fit on var
Dec 30 22:46:03 <alkos333> Jack87: I'm running Slackware64 13.0 here
Dec 30 22:46:58 <flare576> egaudet_work: yeah, and the only way it would work is if you knew which apps were looked at first (and if the migration tool actually did work on one package before moving to the next and potentially crashing)
Dec 30 22:47:01 <destinal> alkos333: hmm, PmConnectionManager (which used to change the ip_forward status to 0) is gone or changed names
Dec 30 22:47:51 <destinal> alkos333: looks like it's probably PmNetConfigManager now
Dec 30 22:48:23 <alkos333> destinal: Yes, that's exactly what it is now.
Dec 30 22:48:31 <rwhitby> destinal: that changed in 1.3.1
Dec 30 22:48:57 <Jack87> alkos333: should work the same for you
Dec 30 22:49:33 <Jack87> the new pmnetconfigmanager is slightly different on 1.3.5 then 1.3.1 i dunno what it is.. but it works
Dec 30 22:49:38 <egaudet_work> oil ping
Dec 30 22:50:25 <alkos333> Jack87: So the same procedures apply for getting ip forwarding and dnsmasq to work in 1.3.5?
Dec 30 22:50:38 <Jack87> alkos333: the new pmnetconfig manager will auto change the status to 0 after a reboot so that can get annoying
Dec 30 22:50:47 <alkos333> Because I followed the exact same steps in 1.3.5 and everything worked.
Dec 30 22:51:05 <Jack87> alkos333: yes. it should work fine
Dec 30 22:51:14 <alkos333> Jack87: Well, I modified the binary though
Dec 30 22:51:27 <PreGame> wtf i have preware 9.12 and cannot see ANY installed packages
Dec 30 22:51:32 <PreGame> nor can i find the new 9.13
Dec 30 22:51:38 <alkos333> echo > 1 /proc/sys/net/ip4v/ip_forward should read 1 even after the reboot
Dec 30 22:51:43 <rwhitby> PreGame: 0.912 is the latest
Dec 30 22:51:45 <Jack87> alkos333: i think after reboot it will still change it back to 0... atleast that was some of the reports i read dunno whats doing it
Dec 30 22:51:57 <rwhitby> PreGame: you need to run Emergency Migration Helper to allow Palm to migrate the homebrew apps
Dec 30 22:51:59 <Jack87> alkos333: that should work.
Dec 30 22:52:12 <destinal> alkos333: even with the manager turned off or altered it always says 0 no matter what I put in it
Dec 30 22:52:26 <PreGame> rwhitby: precentral shows 9.13 on their site
Dec 30 22:52:31 <alkos333> I have a question about Preware.  I've never really used it.  How do you get the same set up as you would with optware-bootstrap-manual.sh
Dec 30 22:52:32 <alkos333> ?
Dec 30 22:52:40 <meCka> destinal: this us drive frrooze VM and my whole pc
Dec 30 22:52:53 <Jack87> alkos333: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191082-tethered-pre-without-any-apps-ssh-scripts-6.html#post2114991
Dec 30 22:52:54 <SteveApos> anybody notice that when you run 1.3.5 doctor the app catalog restores your homebrew apps too?
Dec 30 22:52:55 <destinal> meCka: ouch
Dec 30 22:52:57 <egaudet_work> I thought that article on precentral also noted that the latest version is actually 12
Dec 30 22:52:58 <alkos333> I guess it ties all of the 3rd party packages, patches, etc together
Dec 30 22:52:58 <rwhitby> PreGame: yeah, 0.9.13 is an early alpha testing version which I told them not to use.
Dec 30 22:53:22 <destinal> SteveApos: no, it's just that your apps probably survive the doctor now since they are on /media/internal
Dec 30 22:53:24 <egaudet_work> SteveApos: the apps are on media partition now
Dec 30 22:53:28 <meCka> destinal: what does that mean?
Dec 30 22:53:33 <egaudet_work> yea what destinal said
Dec 30 22:54:06 <PreGame> where is the migration helper?
Dec 30 22:54:06 <SteveApos> hmm that would make more sense actually haha
Dec 30 22:54:12 <rwhitby> PreGame: in preware :-)
Dec 30 22:54:17 <SteveApos> forgot i ran the migration helper earlier
Dec 30 22:54:20 <alkos333> Jack87: Nice, good thread to start
Dec 30 22:54:43 <egaudet_work> maybe there needs to be a different term than "fixing unknown"
Dec 30 22:54:50 <egaudet_work> it seems to worry a lot of users
Dec 30 22:54:59 <Jack87> alkos333: figgured that should help. last page reflects on some of the changes to get it working on 1.3.5
Dec 30 22:55:12 <PreGame> fixing unknown doesn't do much of anything.
Dec 30 22:55:19 <egaudet_work> PreGame: note that your mvapp apps won't be correctly migrated
Dec 30 22:55:21 <PreGame> it still shows NO package updates and NO installed packages
Dec 30 22:55:35 <rwhitby> PreGame: correct
Dec 30 22:55:36 <SteveApos> sure it does pregame it annoys me for 15 seconds while it fixes 200 unkowns
Dec 30 22:55:45 <meCka> destinal: how about uploading it to megaupload or something?
Dec 30 22:56:01 <rwhitby> fixing unknown packages is orthogonal to migration
Dec 30 22:56:06 <egaudet_work> I think the issue is prethemer feed has a bunch of packages with illegal characters in the source:
Dec 30 22:56:22 <rwhitby> meCka: uploading what?
Dec 30 22:56:29 <PreGame> so xorg is working on a script to migrate to 1.3.5?
Dec 30 22:56:39 <egaudet_work> although I guess it should only try to "fix uknown" on installed packages
Dec 30 22:56:40 <PreGame> moving all the appinfo files is TOO bothersome
Dec 30 22:56:54 <meCka> rwhitby: the patched .jar i made i cant get it out of VB and to my windows desktop
Dec 30 22:57:10 <rwhitby> PreGame: if you think your apps will fit in /var, the best thing is to move them back there, then run EMH, then wait for Palm to migrate them
Dec 30 22:57:12 <egaudet_work> PreGame: yea he's working on fixing mvapp to do it, but it would be a very minor script to do it as well
Dec 30 22:57:14 <jacques> I think an iptables -t nat rule went missing in the 1.3.1 -> 1.3.5 transition
Dec 30 22:57:27 <egaudet_work> and yea what rwhitby said
Dec 30 22:57:33 <jacques> alkos333: what does "iptables -t nat -L" on 1.3.1 say ?
Dec 30 22:57:35 <PreGame> rwhitby: will it hurt if i just leave it the way it is?
Dec 30 22:57:39 <jettero> the terminal application doesnt seem to be showing up in preware for me
Dec 30 22:57:42 <rwhitby> meCka: uploading a Palm proprietary file to megaupload is not something that you want to do
Dec 30 22:57:44 <jettero> is it called "terminal?"
Dec 30 22:57:50 <PreGame> and is EMH the "fixing unknown"?
Dec 30 22:57:59 <rwhitby> PreGame: preware will never see the packages if you do
Dec 30 22:58:01 <egaudet_work> PreGame: all your apps from mvapp will not show as installed or be usable if you leave it as is
Dec 30 22:58:02 <Jack87> would i need to reinstall all my services
Dec 30 22:58:06 <Jack87> like terminal service and such
Dec 30 22:58:08 <rwhitby> fixing unknown packages is orthogonal to migration
Dec 30 22:58:13 <meCka> rwhitby: then wat else can i do?
Dec 30 22:58:22 <rwhitby> meCka: VirtualBox shared folders
Dec 30 22:58:27 <destinal> alkos333: are you able to get ip_forward to 1?  it's staying 0 on my device
Dec 30 22:58:32 <rwhitby> meCka: did you update that wiki page?
Dec 30 22:59:02 <meCka> rwhitby: i havent been able to test it. before i update it i want to make sure it works.
Dec 30 22:59:16 <meCka> rwhitby: i need to trasnfer that file to my windows desktop in order to do that
Dec 30 22:59:45 <rwhitby> meCka: VirtualBox shared folders
Dec 30 23:00:13 <rwhitby> or add a host-only additional network adapter to the VM and use scp
Dec 30 23:00:14 <meCka> rwhitby: it doesnt let me. i get this error http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2873/error1vz.jpg
Dec 30 23:00:33 <Jack87> destinal: did you reffer to that link i sent him
Dec 30 23:00:34 <meCka> rwhitby: i tried winscp and doesnt let me either
Dec 30 23:01:11 <rwhitby> meCka: have you tried shared folders?
Dec 30 23:01:40 <Jack87> destinal: read that post and the next page http://tinyurl.com/ykj52rw
Dec 30 23:01:47 <alkos333> jacques: This is what I get:  http://pastebin.com/m701ce0bc
Dec 30 23:02:07 <alkos333> destinal: I've reverted to 1.3.1, but yes - was able to get set it to 1
Dec 30 23:02:12 <jettero> seriously, I have no idea what to do now.  I installed preware specifically for the terminal application, but it really doesn't seem to be in there
Dec 30 23:02:52 <meCka> rwhitby: this is what i get when trying share folders http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2873/error1vz.jpg
Dec 30 23:02:57 <alkos333> I just like to do everything via the command line really..
Dec 30 23:03:16 <jacques> alkos333: I think one of those rules is there by default in 1.3.1, and the other is added by the event.d script in the howto. on 1.3.5, there is no rule by default IIRC
Dec 30 23:03:41 <rwhitby> meCka: so have you done what it says?
Dec 30 23:03:48 <alkos333> jacques: Which rule are you referring to exactly?
Dec 30 23:04:02 <meCka> rwhitby: i dont know how to lol
Dec 30 23:04:16 <rwhitby> meCka: you're out of luck then.
Dec 30 23:04:17 <destinal> alkos333: mine never gets set to 1  on 1.3.5.  odd
Dec 30 23:04:26 <egaudet_work> bbl
Dec 30 23:04:36 <meCka> rwhitby: u cant help me?
Dec 30 23:04:48 <flare576> jettero: what is the URL of the webos internals feed in PreWare?
Dec 30 23:04:59 <jacques> destinal: how many network interfaces do you have active? I think I noticed that if there is only one, I could not set the value to 1
Dec 30 23:05:01 <jettero> flare576: will check in a sec
Dec 30 23:05:02 <alkos333> destinal: See that's why I've reverted to 1.3.1 for now because I do tether quite a bit.
Dec 30 23:05:50 <destinal> jacques: 4
Dec 30 23:06:22 <destinal> I have to wonder if the kernel changed to prevent it from being altered
Dec 30 23:06:23 <Jack87> destinal: alkos333: according to that thread it reverts back to 0 after reboot?
Dec 30 23:06:27 <meCka> rwhitby: k i got it now. but i cant find the folder on my windows pc
Dec 30 23:06:32 <destinal> it never gets set to 0 for me, period
Dec 30 23:06:49 <destinal> stopping the service, echoing to it, editing the service to 0, starting it
Dec 30 23:06:56 <destinal> err it never gets set to anything but 0
Dec 30 23:07:14 <destinal> I echo 1 out to it, still 0, service stopped or started, nothing
Dec 30 23:07:28 <jacques> destinal: hmm, then I dunno :-\ I am not in data nor wifi range right now so I can't test too much
Dec 30 23:07:29 <Jack87> meCka: it should be in your network section
Dec 30 23:07:40 <jettero> flare576: there isn't a preware one... precentral?
Dec 30 23:07:54 <jacques> destinal: I do know I was able to set mine to 1 in 1.3.5 tho. just not the exact conditions.
Dec 30 23:08:17 <rwhitby> flare576: ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
Dec 30 23:08:24 <flare576> jettero: are you in the "manage feeds" section?
Dec 30 23:08:33 <jettero> yeah, there's a precentral one, there's no preware one
Dec 30 23:08:38 <meCka> Jack87: its not there
Dec 30 23:08:50 <flare576> jettero: you're not looking for preware, you're looking for Webos-internals
Dec 30 23:09:12 <jettero> ahh, that just says "feed"
Dec 30 23:09:15 <jettero> that can't be right
Dec 30 23:09:16 <jettero> brb...
Dec 30 23:09:21 <flare576> you need to uninstall with WebOS QI
Dec 30 23:09:24 <flare576> and reinstall
Dec 30 23:09:39 <flare576> and then you shall see your Terminal
Dec 30 23:09:55 <Jack87> didnt you just install freshwebos jettero?
Dec 30 23:10:01 <flare576> thanks, rwhitby, but for once I wasn't the one who was hosed :D
Dec 30 23:10:08 <Jack87> i dont think he has it installed to uninstall flare576
Dec 30 23:10:10 <Smubeht> ok so battery usage is back to normal..it must b e the unusual amount of evdo used yesterday with downloading apps and such
Dec 30 23:10:29 <Smubeht> seems more or less same as before and after update but more time will tell better estimate
Dec 30 23:10:48 <flare576> Jack87: it sounds like he most certainly has Preware installed, but something fluked his install
Dec 30 23:11:07 <rwhitby> most likely using fileCoaster or command line to try and install it
Dec 30 23:11:07 <jacques> I read after an update the battery has to be re-calibrated, so results will be wrong until it does
Dec 30 23:11:31 <Jack87> flare576: maybe he installed it before he updated because he doctored to 1.3.1 before 1.3.5 was out earlier today (i think)
Dec 30 23:12:02 <rwhitby> Jack87: a correctly installed preware with ipkgservice 0.9.27 will transition to 1.3.5 with no problems
Dec 30 23:12:42 <alkos333> Jack87: I haven't tried rebooting.  I tried manually assigning the ip and doing the ssh tunneling and getting the dnsmasq
Dec 30 23:13:22 <Jack87> rwhitby: yes but the service wont?
Dec 30 23:13:51 <navinag_> rwhitby: So i finally got the migration to go smoothly and applied my patches...preware even saw my existing apps.  I just rebooted my phone and now preware doews not think any apps or patches are installed on my phone.....Everything was forking fine
Dec 30 23:14:27 <Jack87> rwhitby: i had 0.9.27 ipkgservice on 1.3.1 and it did not transition when update was done. reinstalling the service fixed everything
Dec 30 23:16:15 <flare576> drnull: ping?
Dec 30 23:17:02 * Jack87 needs to turn off prethemer feed ahhh!
Dec 30 23:17:12 <drnull> flare576: pong, what's up?
Dec 30 23:17:20 <zsoc> oh the banana
Dec 30 23:17:40 <navinag_> egaudet_work: So i finally got the migration to go smoothly and applied my patches...preware even saw my existing apps.  I just rebooted my phone and now preware doews not think any apps or patches are installed on my phone.....Everything was forking fine
Dec 30 23:17:50 <flare576> is the config file for DrPodder easy to find?  I had to Doctor my phone, but made a full backup before hand.  I don't remember which podcasts I subscribed to
Dec 30 23:18:30 <navinag_> oil: So i finally got the migration to go smoothly and applied my patches...preware even saw my existing apps.  I just rebooted my phone and now preware doews not think any apps or patches are installed on my phone.....Everything was forking fine
Dec 30 23:18:50 <jettero> yeah, I installed preware with the standalone 0.9.5 installer after I upgraded to 1.3.5
Dec 30 23:18:56 <jettero> I can reinstall...
Dec 30 23:18:57 <Jack87> rwhitby: i guess my preware isnt working right after all it doesnt detect that any packages are installed
Dec 30 23:19:33 <zsoc> I feel like im in the land of deja vu
Dec 30 23:19:43 <flare576> drnull: is the config file for DrPodder easy to find?  I had to Doctor my phone, but made a full backup before hand.  I don't remember which podcasts I subscribed to (sorry if you saw it the first tim)
Dec 30 23:19:53 <zsoc> Did everyone run the migration helper and then restart luna and wait for webos to do it's job?
Dec 30 23:20:48 <drnull> flare576: sure, it's a .db file.  You should be able to find it in /media/internal/.app-storage/file_.var.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.drnull.prepod_0/00000[SOME_NUMBER].db  After you reinstall in 1.3.5, and start drPodder, you'll see it now creates the db in /media/internal/.app-storage/file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.drnull.prepod_0/00000[SOME_NUMBER].db.  Shutdown drPodder and copy the old .db file over the new .db fil
Dec 30 23:20:54 <navinag_> zsoc: yep all was fine until 5 minutes ago...everything migrated and preware saw all my packages....all of a sudden after a reboot....poof....preware does not think I have anything installed
Dec 30 23:21:29 <flare576> drnull: awesome, found it in the backup.  Will this also recover my listened and progress?
Dec 30 23:21:47 <Jack87> no all the feeds are showing
Dec 30 23:21:59 <destinal> interesting.. yeah, there's a lot of stuff in the new kernel about OMAP video
Dec 30 23:22:32 <drnull> flare576: yes, should remember listened and progress, but of course if things were downloaded, they're not there anymore, so drPodder might get confused  :)
Dec 30 23:22:41 <zsoc> destinal: elaborate please
Dec 30 23:23:17 <flare576> drnull: where might the program store said partial/completed downloads?
Dec 30 23:23:31 <destinal> zsoc: I was reading http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.3.5/linuxkernel-2.6.24-patch.gz
Dec 30 23:23:41 <jettero> so, do I have to reinstall preware? or is there some way to edit the feed?
Dec 30 23:23:43 <drnull> flare576: ahh, right, you had a complete backup.  /media/internal/PrePod/...
Dec 30 23:23:50 <Jack87> I cant get webosinternals feed to show
Dec 30 23:23:51 <flare576> hee hee, epic
Dec 30 23:24:07 <destinal> zsoc: there's a lot of omap_fbv related functions added that weren't in 1.3.1's kernel patch
Dec 30 23:24:08 <zsoc> destinal: ah, that's the one place i didn't check. I'll make heads and tails of it now :)
Dec 30 23:24:21 <flare576> hmm, I don't see /media/internal/PrePod ...
Dec 30 23:24:57 <drnull> hmm... did I make it /media/internal/drPodder already (can't keep versions straight)
Dec 30 23:24:57 <zsoc> destinal: too bad palm doesn't give us a diff ;)
Dec 30 23:25:22 <destinal> zsoc: heh, diff the diffs  and you have a diffdiff?
Dec 30 23:25:25 <flare576> drnull: I don't see that either, so I guess I'm solid
Dec 30 23:25:38 <zsoc> destinal: yes yes, i know. i'm just so lazy
Dec 30 23:25:50 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 30 23:25:56 <zsoc> destinal: it's a 10mb patch? No wonder i never looked at it before. good lordy
Dec 30 23:27:49 <zsoc> destinal: if you have it handy, could you get me a diff of those two patches? i'm not at a location with the tools and now you've made be reaaallly curious
Dec 30 23:27:59 <zsoc> 1.3.1 vs 1.3.5 that is
Dec 30 23:28:17 <jacques> lol I'm looking at same thing
Dec 30 23:28:30 <jacques> great minds...
Dec 30 23:28:51 <jacques> did you see they changed the default io scheduler to cfq? not as interesting as the omap video I admint
Dec 30 23:28:57 <navinag_> egaudet_work: So i finally got the migration to go smoothly and applied my patches...preware even saw my existing apps.  I just rebooted my phone and now preware doews not think any apps or patches are installed on my phone.....Everything was forking fine
Dec 30 23:29:15 <Jack87> whats that patch supposed to do?
Dec 30 23:29:17 <destinal> zsoc: 11klines  325kbytes  .. too much to pastebin, I thinkl
Dec 30 23:29:28 <jacques> also, I knew the SDL stuff wasn't in 1.3.1. I wonder how that fits into things...
Dec 30 23:29:28 <Jack87> does that mod the kernel to older one?
Dec 30 23:29:38 <zsoc> destinal: filebin? :D
Dec 30 23:30:18 <zsoc> Jack87: what patch?
Dec 30 23:30:20 <meCka> anyone help here? i cant get that damn .jar file out of VB :(
Dec 30 23:31:31 <Jack87> the one destinal linked you to
Dec 30 23:31:44 <jettero> is 0.9.5 the wrong version of preware?
Dec 30 23:31:47 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: what was that pastebin-like thing for files you use?  filebin hates me
Dec 30 23:32:18 <Jack87> zsoc: the one destinal linked you to
Dec 30 23:32:33 <destinal> Jack87: it's palm'
Dec 30 23:32:45 <destinal> Jack87: it's palms modifications to the linux kernel for webos
Dec 30 23:32:57 <Jack87> destinal: oh! thanks
Dec 30 23:33:02 <jacques> it's so cool that they have the paches up already
Dec 30 23:33:06 <jacques> patches
Dec 30 23:33:17 <zsoc> destinal: also, palm has this bad habit of keeping old versioning, but patching it with fixes from new versions. which is just silly.
Dec 30 23:33:31 <zsoc> jacques: why is it cool? they have to supply them legally
Dec 30 23:33:41 <destinal> zsoc: well, they are backporting critical things, I imagine
Dec 30 23:34:03 <zsoc> destinal: critical is a funny word.
Dec 30 23:34:04 <destinal> zsoc: mainly, the patches TI supplied to get them started are nothing like the modern OMAP tree
Dec 30 23:34:15 <zsoc> now _that_ is very true
Dec 30 23:34:37 <jacques> zsoc: I know, but many companies have a delay
Dec 30 23:35:07 <destinal> yeah, they've gotten the time delay on posting new ones down a lot
Dec 30 23:36:07 <Jack87> jacques: they took their sweet time to release info from 1.2.1 to 1.3.1
Dec 30 23:36:32 <jacques> Jack87: ah :-\ well, maybe they are improving  :-)
Dec 30 23:36:47 <Jack87> jacques:  ya :)
Dec 30 23:37:08 <Jack87> 13mb update vs 80mb update? think that might have something to do with it? probably not
Dec 30 23:37:49 <destinal> Jack87: well, the update size on this one has to do with a change in technology more than anything
Dec 30 23:37:50 <jacques> I think the binary deltas have more to do with the 1.3.5 update size...
Dec 30 23:38:00 <destinal> jacques: exactly
Dec 30 23:38:20 <destinal> before, they would cause the pre to redownload any package that updated in entirety
Dec 30 23:38:21 <Jack87> ya
Dec 30 23:38:21 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i use wgetpaste for text files and ompload for binaries
Dec 30 23:38:51 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: wgetpaste allows you to pick between lots of pastebin like sites
Dec 30 23:39:23 <destinal> zsoc: http://omploader.org/vMzRkOA
Dec 30 23:39:39 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: is libpalmaudioencoder a different md5 from 1.3.1?
Dec 30 23:39:47 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: or from the 135 beta?
Dec 30 23:41:14 <zsoc> # Kernel hacking <-- lol
Dec 30 23:41:18 <jacques> heading home, biaw
Dec 30 23:41:33 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: idk. i said i didnt crc it (which really meant i ddint md5 it either)
Dec 30 23:41:45 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: right, sorry, forgot
Dec 30 23:41:51 <Butter> good evening ! :-)
Dec 30 23:43:11 <Butter> not to be rude to interrupt...
Dec 30 23:43:14 <destinal> zsoc: wow, lots of printk's I see
Dec 30 23:43:17 <Butter> got a ques.
Dec 30 23:43:23 <navinag_> whoever is incharge of the preware scripts/ patches... i belive that there are som patches out there that does not write the status file correctly....gladly preware creates a backup.  I was messing with cpu scaling and ended up removing it....However, preware did not see any of my installeed packages after that.  I saw that there was a .status_backup that had all my packages.  I copied that over back to status and now a
Dec 30 23:43:40 <Butter> have pack manager update.
Dec 30 23:43:46 <zsoc> destinal: looks to me like some additional fb surface(s) support
Dec 30 23:43:47 <Butter> forgot to reboot
Dec 30 23:44:12 <zsoc> Butter: Please do not use the enter key as puncuation
Dec 30 23:44:14 <Butter> no when I open preware it says that the serv pack is not running
Dec 30 23:44:20 <Butter> and to reboot.
Dec 30 23:44:30 <Butter> I did. No help
Dec 30 23:44:45 <acydlord> have you tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the service Butter?
Dec 30 23:44:47 * Mousey huggles bhern 
Dec 30 23:45:00 <Butter> then I noticed that there is a 1.3.5 %'
Dec 30 23:45:39 <Butter> I didnlt update yet...but is the causing a prob for my serv package in preware?
Dec 30 23:45:40 <bhern> for reference, adding CA certs via certificate mgr seems to cause bad things to happen. if you need to trust additional certs and are seeing errors, try adding the *server* certs directly (via CM or the browser)
Dec 30 23:46:08 <zsoc> They reduced HS_BUTTON_PRESS_TIMEOUT and HS_BUTTON_PRESS_SLEEP by quite a bit
Dec 30 23:46:09 <bhern> if you have gotten into a bad state with certs you may be able to repair things in /var/ssl/certs if CM cannot
Dec 30 23:46:23 <bhern> though flashing back to a good state would safely reset too
Dec 30 23:46:51 <destinal> bhern: sure, or pull the /var/ssl/certs directory from a doctor image
Dec 30 23:47:00 <Butter> +zsoc+zsoc: ok :-)
Dec 30 23:48:01 <destinal> that's interesting, I remember trying to install my own CA cert for some man in the middle stuff I was doing and not having any issues but I may have done it directly against the certs directory rather than using the Cert manager.
Dec 30 23:48:03 <zsoc> destinal: ok there's at least 1,000 lines of code, very well commented, that i don't understand at all, lol
Dec 30 23:48:42 <bhern> it works in some cases but seems to cause collateral problems. i need to track down why still
Dec 30 23:49:07 <bhern> i'm not sure it was even intended to work with CA certs
Dec 30 23:49:08 <flare576> Everyone: thanks for helping me through my first WebOS doctoring :)  I'm back up and running at about 80%, and any coder knows that last 20% never hits 100% ;)
Dec 30 23:49:15 <Technobabble> is there a way to bypass the "select language" when you first webdr your pre?  my touch screen no longer works and i'd like to get into it to get the files off of it
Dec 30 23:49:23 <zsoc> destinal: looks like a lot of changes in handling i/o and writing/searching on the ssd
Dec 30 23:49:25 <Butter> acydlord: should I uninstall the package from my  from my pc intaller?
Dec 30 23:50:26 <destinal> zsoc: so I wonder if surface layering allows Luna to share the display with outside code accessing it directly...
Dec 30 23:50:30 <acydlord> Butter, yeah, try uninstalling and reinstalling the package through webosquickinstall
Dec 30 23:51:06 <destinal> zsoc: like, need for speed, for instance  :)
Dec 30 23:51:15 <zsoc> destinal: the basic answer is yes. fb sharing is generally handled at the kernel level as i understand it.
Dec 30 23:51:37 <zsoc> destinal: er, at least sharing in the sense that there's multiple available surfaces simultaniously
Dec 30 23:51:41 <destinal> sure
Dec 30 23:52:06 <destinal> and there would be some way of deciding which surface was active or "top" I suppose
Dec 30 23:52:07 <zsoc> I mean, to an extent, luna "shares" the fb now through NPAPI's, like video playback
Dec 30 23:52:16 <Butter> Acydlord: thanks. I will work on it asap. Have a great evening. <3 smooches
Dec 30 23:52:31 <zsoc> no smooches in here :3
Dec 30 23:52:41 <destinal> zsoc: lol
Dec 30 23:52:57 <destinal> zsoc: well, yeah, terminal does that too, albeit poorly  :)
Dec 30 23:53:09 <destinal> but 3d graphics wouldn't work that way
Dec 30 23:53:17 <destinal> not opengl hardware 3d
Dec 30 23:53:22 <zsoc> destinal: er....
Dec 30 23:53:28 <zsoc> destinal: but why not use webgl?
Dec 30 23:53:50 <zsoc> i mean, besides the fact that technically webgl doesn't exist yet ;)
Dec 30 23:53:58 <destinal> I had assumed that native code would be required to come up with the effects we saw in the NFS video
Dec 30 23:54:11 <zsoc> Either way, EGL is up and running (er, well i mean sort of, there's no way to test it)
Dec 30 23:54:13 <Butter> yeah?? Well I'm a pc girl. Don't know any other way but Ciao :-D
Dec 30 23:54:44 <destinal> Butter: don't take him wrong, anything to lighten up the room is sometimes desperately needed
Dec 30 23:54:53 <Mousey> yay linux!
Dec 30 23:55:01 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 30 23:55:05 <destinal> :)
Dec 30 23:55:43 <Butter> no worries. I thought the comment was quite funny LOL
Dec 30 23:55:51 <Jack87> time to go home.. bye everyone
Dec 30 23:56:19 <zsoc> I think meaning is generally lost in my smilies.
Dec 30 23:57:23 <zsoc> destinal: What did you mean by "native" code?
Dec 30 23:57:24 <Butter> we pc gurlz are a bit rougher around the edges than the frilly type. But a smooches any day works
Dec 30 23:57:34 <zsoc> (what's a pc girl?)
Dec 30 23:57:52 <Jack87> i remember Butter on thanks giving she paid this chat a visit
Dec 30 23:57:57 <destinal> zsoc: in this case, ARM instructions, compiled from C / C++  or similar
Dec 30 23:58:25 <Butter> personal computer or
Dec 30 23:58:28 <Mousey> zsoc: like a regular girl, but usually smarter
Dec 30 23:58:35 <zsoc> destinal: technically i'd imagine everything visible in webos (at least in luna) is rather... non-native, I mean afaik NPAPIs are the only way to access any of it
Dec 30 23:58:38 <Butter> lt laptop
Dec 30 23:58:49 <zsoc> Odd. Clearly I've missed years of lingo.
Dec 30 23:59:04 <Mousey> zsoc: they're only rumored to exist. everybody knows there's no girls on the internet
Dec 30 23:59:07 <destinal> zsoc: well, the theory is that that may be changing in the current version and soon upcoming versions
Dec 30 23:59:08 <Butter> jack87: hey hey :-)
Dec 30 23:59:22 <Jack87> Butter: welcome back
Dec 30 23:59:29 <Jack87> happy new year to all
Dec 30 23:59:37 <Jack87> goodbye
Dec 30 23:59:40 * Mousey wvaes
Dec 30 23:59:45 <zsoc> destinal: But yeah, the kernel module is there in 135, and EGL headers/binaries are there. So OpenGL ES should be usable through something. I was just _assuming_ webGL, but maybe now I was wrong?
Dec 30 23:59:47 <destinal> zsoc: I agree with you that NPAPI etc is all that's available traditionally
Dec 30 23:59:48 <Mousey> s/wva/wav
Dec 30 23:59:55 <zsoc> I mean what are the other options. OpenVG?
Dec 31 00:00:09 <Smubeht> i noticed youtube videos volume has increased
Dec 31 00:00:09 <destinal> if 6 months of our access to code can be traditional
Dec 31 00:00:10 <Smubeht> anyone else seeing that?
Dec 31 00:00:14 <Butter> jack87: hey hey :-) Smooches LOL
Dec 31 00:00:21 <Smubeht> i can actually hear the sound
Dec 31 00:00:23 <Smubeht> lol
Dec 31 00:01:16 <zsoc> destinal: oh. EGL supports binding to native windowing systems. Maybe those kernel changes are the beginning of direct fb access 'through' Luna in an alternative to NPAPIs
Dec 31 00:01:23 <zsoc> destinal: which I think is exactly what you said :P
Dec 31 00:01:33 <Mousey> yay vncserver via fb!
Dec 31 00:02:04 <destinal> zsoc: awesome.. yes, but you just explained it much better
Dec 31 00:02:20 <zsoc> a more 'standard' way of creating/removing display surfaces would be very very welcome
Dec 31 00:02:30 <Butter> thanks and everyone be safe! Ciao and smooches LOL
Dec 31 00:02:39 <destinal> zsoc: someone, somewhere, has this need for speed ipk.  I really wish it were me.  :)
Dec 31 00:03:19 <destinal> or better yet someone who could reverse it properly
Dec 31 00:03:39 <zsoc> destinal: I don't want to play it, I want the docs. Its mucked up in binaries right now. I mean we can assume the OpenGL ES stuff is standard, but the driver/EGL relationship could be all proprietary
Dec 31 00:03:56 <destinal> right
Dec 31 00:04:03 <zsoc> unless...
Dec 31 00:04:23 <destinal> hopefully docs will be released.  if not, it'll take a significant RE effort
Dec 31 00:05:18 <destinal> and considering I haven't even found the time to teach myself enough reverse engineering to document hidd, I doubt that I'll do so well, really
Dec 31 00:05:43 <zsoc> destinal: no docs i'm sure. We'd need the conformance kits. EGL just manages client APIs, so we need those. Or a conformance kit for those for testing/reverse engeineering api compliance
Dec 31 00:06:16 <zsoc> destinal: I mean it pretty much has to be OpenGL ES/OpenVG/OpenKODE
Dec 31 00:06:26 <zsoc> aren't many options in the embedded 3d graphics sector :D
Dec 31 00:07:04 <destinal> zsoc: at any rate, I think this all fits in with that leaked video rather well
Dec 31 00:07:20 <destinal> and we should be seeing some very interesting apps soon
Dec 31 00:07:25 <zsoc> Oh yeah, I think the 'leaked video' is pretty much been proven at this point imo
Dec 31 00:07:42 <zsoc> destinal: I don't want to wait for that :D homebrew docs ftw ;)
Dec 31 00:08:18 <zsoc> Someone somewhere must have an opengl es conformance kit.
Dec 31 00:08:21 <destinal> zsoc: well, I suppose the interfaces from Luna outward probably already exist, but digging for them will be very nontrivial
Dec 31 00:09:12 <zsoc> destinal: The other thing is the whole canvas tag thing. Did you see the website with the test js/canvas that shows 3d rendering and textures?
Dec 31 00:09:20 <destinal> ah, yes.
Dec 31 00:09:27 <zsoc> destinal: it's not webgl compliant, but it might as well be, it's the same idea
Dec 31 00:09:37 <zsoc> webgl just extends it all the way to opengl compatibility
Dec 31 00:09:56 <zsoc> to my understanding, none of these are really 'my fields' per se
Dec 31 00:10:22 <destinal> I expect that we'll see 3d mojo apps as well as 3d native apps.  I only include the native stuff because I can't see what was on that video working in pure mojo.  then again, I suppose I could be wrong?
Dec 31 00:10:26 <zsoc> I mean, hell, for all intent and purpose, I was rendering a 3d environment on my pre
Dec 31 00:11:10 <zsoc> destinal: What's the true difference if it's "native" vs. inside of a mojo wrapper? If it's going to be supported by the SDK, it'll need a js wrapper ANYWAY, what better one than webGL, since it's already written?
Dec 31 00:11:42 <luwangui> argh
Dec 31 00:11:43 <destinal> would make sense
Dec 31 00:11:48 <zsoc> destinal: I have an idea
Dec 31 00:11:58 <luwangui> i'm about to go crazy.... how much space does the metadoctor need to make the dang image!
Dec 31 00:11:58 <zsoc> I want to try it, but my js/mojo knowledge isn't up to snuff
Dec 31 00:12:00 <luwangui> '?
Dec 31 00:12:25 <destinal> luwangui: a lot
Dec 31 00:13:33 <luwangui> fffuuu
Dec 31 00:13:47 <luwangui> more than 1 gb?
Dec 31 00:14:09 <destinal> luwangui: it has to decompress the jar, which is probably at least 2:1 compressed
Dec 31 00:14:22 <luwangui> anyone know of some useless stuff to delete from the ubuntu default install? lol
Dec 31 00:14:24 <destinal> and then create a second.
Dec 31 00:14:34 <psi_> hi
Dec 31 00:14:42 <luwangui> i removed openoffice and gimp
Dec 31 00:14:44 <zsoc> psi_: try turning of prethemer feed (preware menu -> manage feeds)
Dec 31 00:15:00 <destinal> luwangui: are you running on an ubuntu workstation or in a VM?
Dec 31 00:15:20 <luwangui> vm
Dec 31 00:15:30 <destinal> luwangui: you could always add a virtual disk
Dec 31 00:15:44 <destinal> mkfs it, mount it, copy stuff over there, run metadoctor
Dec 31 00:15:50 <luwangui> good idea
Dec 31 00:15:51 <luwangui> thanks
Dec 31 00:16:01 <psi_> zsoc: i have no manage feeds there
Dec 31 00:16:06 <destinal> luwangui: no problem
Dec 31 00:16:48 <zsoc> psi_: if you have an older version, you'll have to go into Preferences and click 'feeds' on the top right
Dec 31 00:18:02 <psi_> zsoc: smooth. thanks
Dec 31 00:18:36 <zsoc> destinal: "Say Y here if you want to use an Omap Video layer as a frame buffer" <-- :D
Dec 31 00:19:23 <destinal> zsoc: eh?
Dec 31 00:19:28 <zsoc> destinal: hm... and the _entire_ palm coded video driver for the framebuffer. I wonder how thrilled TI is about this.
Dec 31 00:19:47 <destinal> zsoc: TI has become a lot more open lately
Dec 31 00:19:53 <destinal> zsoc: they may have blessed it
Dec 31 00:20:20 <zsoc> destinal: that is true, actually, I have recently seen a lot of TI docs floating around.. especially on OMAP35 and DM boards for hardware bridge stuff
Dec 31 00:21:09 <psi_> nice thing, this preware
Dec 31 00:22:27 <zsoc> destinal: lol, gotta love a variable named "jiffies" :D
Dec 31 00:22:29 <destinal> in the opensource.palm.com trees, between 131 and 135, we lost    gst-ffmpeg  and gained   gst-plugins-bad libsdl libsdl-image libsdl-mixer libsdl-net libsdl-ttf
Dec 31 00:22:36 <destinal> note the SDL stuff?
Dec 31 00:23:06 <zsoc> destinal: oh now THAT is interesting. gst guys would love that, ffmpeg is nice, but ffmpeg ported gst stuff is _terrible_
Dec 31 00:23:14 <zsoc> explains the changes in video playback flows i've notcied
Dec 31 00:23:15 <psi_> jobs would say: you'll love it. *ducknrun*
Dec 31 00:23:20 <psi_> :)
Dec 31 00:23:24 <zsoc> xD
Dec 31 00:24:07 <zsoc> destinal: wait
Dec 31 00:24:41 <zsoc> destinal: that means ffmpeg isn't being used for... anything. it was doing most of the audio/video decoding before for certain formats iirc, and the demuxing possibly?
Dec 31 00:24:51 <zsoc> destinal: sdl means that it's hardware accelerated now.
Dec 31 00:25:11 <luwangui> my day is reminding me of this http://xkcd.com/456/
Dec 31 00:25:55 <zsoc> luwangui: that's a good thing xD
Dec 31 00:26:33 <psi_> ok, so if maptool says the maps are stored in the internal drive. how do i access this drive? USB?
Dec 31 00:26:33 <zsoc> destinal: wait no, i'm not so sure that sdl stuff is being used for anything involving video
Dec 31 00:27:38 <zsoc> destinal: and i'm no expert, but i don't know of any embedded use of sdl
Dec 31 00:28:05 <luwangui> btw how do i reference people in that cool way you guys do? :p its been way too long since i've used IRC
Dec 31 00:28:40 <destinal> zsoc: I think the loss of ffmpeg from sources may be an oversight.
Dec 31 00:29:21 <zsoc> destinal: yes it must be. also gst bad wasn't in 1.3.1? i thought it always was.. i don't see any additional binaries of interest
Dec 31 00:29:30 <zsoc> luwangui: type their name?
Dec 31 00:29:40 <luwangui> zsoc bla
Dec 31 00:29:50 <luwangui> its not making that cool effect
Dec 31 00:29:51 <destinal> zsoc: well that's just from the source package list palm gives us
Dec 31 00:30:00 <destinal> zsoc: I haven't made a doctor comparison yet
Dec 31 00:30:01 <luwangui> zsoc: bla again
Dec 31 00:30:04 <psi_> :/ updated preware before the packet manager
Dec 31 00:30:19 <zsoc> luwangui: no, you don't see the cool effect, the people you are referencing see it. that's the point. it pings them.
Dec 31 00:30:39 <luwangui> zsoc: aha lol, ok sorry for spam :)
Dec 31 00:31:47 <zsoc> destinal: wait a second...
Dec 31 00:33:32 <destinal> it's really libSDL..  what if we just.. tried to use it?  :)
Dec 31 00:33:41 <zsoc> destinal: you're right, how did i miss that. what in the world. they released a patch for something that isn't in the final release.
Dec 31 00:34:19 <zsoc> destinal: not libsdl, i mean gst bad. it should have dfbvideosink. In other words, sinking video from a media pipeline without using their hacked NPAPI
Dec 31 00:35:14 <zsoc> destinal: you might be on to something. video playback and camera preview might no longer be using an NPAPI. Did the camera app code change or the media framwork files change? we need a full doctor diff
Dec 31 00:36:10 <psi_> where can i get the latest package manager? preware says the package manager is too old
Dec 31 00:36:24 <destinal> zsoc: Package gst-plugins-bad (0.10.9-r23) is installed on root and has the following files: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaiffparse.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstamrwb.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmetadata.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstrtpmanager.so /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0 /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0.0.0
Dec 31 00:37:14 <destinal> didn't the camera stuff used to live in /usr/lib/BrowserServerPlugins?
Dec 31 00:37:20 <zsoc> destinal: amrwb? isn't that like voice recognition stuff?
Dec 31 00:37:41 <zsoc> destinal: the camera stuff is (or at least was) a mess. it was in the app and a bunch of framework files
Dec 31 00:37:50 <zsoc> and a browser plugin also, yes
Dec 31 00:38:37 <zsoc> what is libgstapp... i need to start looking into this D:
Dec 31 00:39:11 <zsoc> destinal: the gst-bad patch includes dfbvideosink, but there is no dfbvideosink binary. That is very fishy.
Dec 31 00:41:01 <zsoc> destinal: libgstapp allows use of appsrc (external api to inject buffers into a pipeline) and libgstamrwb is voice recognition stuff. This HAS to be for voicedialing
Dec 31 00:41:34 <destinal> zsoc: very interesting indeed
Dec 31 00:42:33 <psi_> where do i get the latest ipkgservice?
Dec 31 00:42:55 <zsoc> psi_: i always say run the preware bootstrap, but i'm a bad person who gives bad advice
Dec 31 00:43:05 <destinal> psi_: preware or its feeds?
Dec 31 00:43:09 <zsoc> psi_: webos quick install should have a decently new version?
Dec 31 00:43:54 <psi_> i updated preware before ipkgservice, not it says ipkgservice is too old for preware
Dec 31 00:43:58 <destinal> zsoc: would that I had ARM compiled SDL test binaries handy -- have a cross compiler chain running?
Dec 31 00:44:15 <psi_> ok, eventually i misunderstoos something
Dec 31 00:44:21 <zsoc> destinal: I didn't understand that sentence, 1 more time please?
Dec 31 00:44:38 <zsoc> psi_: how did you originally install preware/ipkgservice?
Dec 31 00:44:38 <destinal> zsoc: so, libSDL is installed.  not sure yet what links to it, but why can't we?
Dec 31 00:45:11 <psi_> zsoc: i used webos quick install
Dec 31 00:45:25 <psi_> zsoc: and downloaded the preware package version 0.9.5
Dec 31 00:45:39 <zsoc> destinal: like I said, I have no knowledge of sdl being used on anything embedded, i think it would be quite a compatibility leap
Dec 31 00:45:44 <destinal> zsoc: who's to say you wouldn't fire up one of the SDL test programs and get graphics immediately?
Dec 31 00:45:46 <zsoc> psi_: no no no, use the feeds
Dec 31 00:45:53 <zsoc> destinal: i would fall off my chair
Dec 31 00:46:27 <zsoc> destinal: is there a standard "sdl test" program/library? if it's in repos i could cross compile it
Dec 31 00:46:30 <destinal> zsoc: so I say again, do you have a handy ARM cross compiler built?
Dec 31 00:46:37 <destinal> zsoc: yeah in the SDL stuff
Dec 31 00:46:37 <psi_> zsoc: how do i do that in webos quick install?
Dec 31 00:47:31 <zsoc> psi_: this isn't really webos-internals territory, there are tons of tutorials out there. but as i remember, you click the button below the plus and minus signs, change the dropdown menu to webos-internals (all) and check preware and package manager service
Dec 31 00:47:59 <zsoc> destinal: i'm compiling an sdl doom port right now
Dec 31 00:48:34 <zsoc> psi_: or as rod would say, follow the instructions at install.preware.org
Dec 31 00:48:41 <psi_> zsoc: ah ok. thank you very much
Dec 31 00:48:42 <destinal> zsoc: that's a little larger a program than I would have done, but knock yourself out
Dec 31 00:49:27 <zsoc> destinal: lol, nevermind, there are all these prebuilt sdl crap... none of it supports arm tho (at least claims not to)
Dec 31 00:49:51 <zsoc> destinal: give me a second, i'm still stuck on this. how would we test it? kill luna and launch it?
Dec 31 00:50:04 <destinal> try launching it without killing luna
Dec 31 00:50:32 <psi_> zsoc: i
Dec 31 00:50:46 <psi_> zsoc: i'm beginning to understand now ;)
Dec 31 00:50:50 <zsoc> destinal: i'm SURE there's no magic in mojo to handle that scenerio
Dec 31 00:51:20 <zsoc> destinal: although there's so much to look into (apparently). we need that diff. I'll go make random SDL stuff arm compilable :P
Dec 31 00:53:14 <zsoc> destinal: i'm no SDL expert, but for the audio/video/media hooks to all work, palm would have had to standardize all the various low level drivers and other components in the hardware bridging, i really doubt all of that
Dec 31 00:53:17 <destinal> zsoc:  http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/48772-sdl-simplest-example/
Dec 31 00:54:19 <zsoc> ugh my head hurts. i'm going to have to patch resolution
Dec 31 00:55:15 <destinal> looking to see if anything links to it out of the box
Dec 31 00:55:31 <zsoc> destinal: sdlgears maybe?
Dec 31 00:55:58 <destinal> zsoc: sounds good
Dec 31 00:58:10 <zsoc> destinal: i'm just saying, i see no other changes that lead me to believe Palm has made their environment api compatible with sdl. They might be using it for a _specific_ api, whether that be audio/video/media/etc it's tough to say. lemme look at the patch?
Dec 31 00:59:01 <zsoc> although looks like they ported the whole library
Dec 31 00:59:28 <destinal> libpdl seems to link to it.. nothing else I've found
Dec 31 00:59:40 <luwangui> when i'm using metadoctor, and i want to make an image from the gsm o2 firmware, i use make CARRIER=bellmo unpack patch pack ?
Dec 31 01:00:26 <zsoc> destinal: that would be like... voip... or video conf... and would match up with the sdl-net port
Dec 31 01:00:32 <zsoc> sdl network protocol library, that is
Dec 31 01:00:49 <destinal> luwangui: bellmo is CDMA canadian provider
Dec 31 01:01:26 <destinal> use  "wr" in place of "bellmo"
Dec 31 01:01:34 <destinal> wr = world ready
Dec 31 01:02:01 <luwangui> roger
Dec 31 01:02:04 <luwangui> ty
Dec 31 01:02:16 <luwangui> was wondering what that stood for
Dec 31 01:02:39 <zsoc> destinal: i take everything else i said back. looks like Palm's sdl patches make it entirely webos compatible, down to hardware access and haptic feedback
Dec 31 01:02:56 <destinal> nice
Dec 31 01:03:28 <hsapley> hello
Dec 31 01:03:37 <destinal> zsoc: working on building gears still?  :)
Dec 31 01:04:19 <zsoc> destinal: BAH. SO MANY HEADERS THEY DIDN"T INCLUDE. I'm going to go send an email :p
Dec 31 01:04:41 <destinal> zsoc: oh gods, we have been through this SO many times
Dec 31 01:04:52 <zsoc> destinal: totally on purpose. they want to keep us busy
Dec 31 01:05:00 <hsapley> I'm trying to figure out how to get a theme off my pre.  I got rid of the theme but it is still active
Dec 31 01:05:09 <destinal> zsoc: In emails months ago I asked palm to build on a box without anything they're not going to distribute on it
Dec 31 01:05:26 <destinal> it's not that hard, right?
Dec 31 01:06:00 <destinal> it would be a very easy smoke test for compliance to build everything that goes out in opensource.palm.com
Dec 31 01:06:04 <zsoc> destinal: sorry i'm not a "jump into it" kind of guy. i need to look at a few more things before i try to compile/run anything. if you give http://www.libsdl.org/opengl/SDLgears-1.0.2.tar.gz to PuffTheMagic, he might compile it for you quick
Dec 31 01:06:08 <destinal> on a box without anything but what we can get
Dec 31 01:07:34 <zsoc> there's food next to me
Dec 31 01:07:35 <zsoc> i want to eat it
Dec 31 01:07:39 <destinal> zsoc: :)
Dec 31 01:07:42 <zsoc> but i need to read more
Dec 31 01:07:45 <zsoc> oh my god what do i do
Dec 31 01:07:49 <zsoc> and now there's a beer too
Dec 31 01:07:57 <destinal> zsoc: tough decisions.  well, the beer is obvious
Dec 31 01:08:15 <destinal> assuming it's not budweiser that is
Dec 31 01:08:28 <zsoc> destinal: looks like full OpenGL ES hardward support through SDL and fb drivers
Dec 31 01:08:35 <zsoc> destinal: sierra nevada kellerweis
Dec 31 01:08:44 <destinal> zsoc: WANT
Dec 31 01:09:19 <destinal> both really but the beer sounds better at the moment.  I've tried it, and it's a very good hefeweisen
Dec 31 01:09:36 <zsoc> destinal: did you look through palm's sdl patch?
Dec 31 01:09:42 <zsoc> destinal: it's a full arm/webos port
Dec 31 01:09:47 <destinal> zsoc: no, but I'm about to.  I think we have serious win here
Dec 31 01:09:48 <zsoc> destinal: they have been busy bees
Dec 31 01:10:12 <zsoc> destinal: i mean this is no joke. they said "Screw every other embedded graphics solution right now, lets just do this"
Dec 31 01:11:08 <destinal> zsoc: there's SDL for the iphone too, as a third party project, so it's not entirely unheard of, still pretty impressive choice
Dec 31 01:12:23 <zsoc> destinal: well it will make sdl inclusion VERY easyt
Dec 31 01:12:32 <zsoc> or rather, there could be a separate GDK
Dec 31 01:13:36 <zsoc> wait
Dec 31 01:13:45 <zsoc> destinal: this is important: are you under NDA of any sort?
Dec 31 01:15:16 <zsoc> destinal: we need to figure out the mojo involved in all this
Dec 31 01:15:26 <zsoc> I think there's a conspiricy going on
Dec 31 01:15:33 <zsoc> everyone knows about this and they can't talk about it
Dec 31 01:15:40 * zsoc takes his medication
Dec 31 01:15:40 <zsoc> sorry
Dec 31 01:16:20 <luwangui> lol
Dec 31 01:17:07 <destinal> zsoc:  :)  if there's a conspiracy, I'm not in it
Dec 31 01:18:27 <zsoc> hm
Dec 31 01:18:27 <zsoc> lol
Dec 31 01:19:24 <destinal> zsoc: I feel so left out
Dec 31 01:19:38 <zsoc> destinal: seriously, if i tried to recompile palm's sdl stuff, i would be short about 30 headers lol
Dec 31 01:20:26 <destinal> zsoc: it's LGPL, do you have any idea how hard it's going to be to convince them that it needs to be complete / corresponding?   I mean, it does, but I had this conversation with them before months ago about webkit and piranha
Dec 31 01:20:46 <zsoc> hm
Dec 31 01:20:49 <zsoc> well i mean we don't _need_ it
Dec 31 01:21:01 <destinal> yeah, but we do have the right to it
Dec 31 01:21:04 <zsoc> destinal: the stuff we _need_ is the mojo hooks, which are all 'super sekret'
Dec 31 01:21:42 <destinal> zsoc: you're assuming there are any mojo hooks and it's not just NPAPI overlaid under surfacve
Dec 31 01:21:44 <destinal> surface
Dec 31 01:22:07 <zsoc> destinal: that would be the smallest npapi of all time
Dec 31 01:22:15 <zsoc> and if i know how palm does things, there won't be one
Dec 31 01:22:25 <zsoc> i'm with you on your 'native' idea
Dec 31 01:22:30 <MLJ> Can any of the webos internals team help me identify why the themes I created are not working via preware and WebOS 1.3.5?  The image directories are correct, backups are created, yet the images don't get replaced.
Dec 31 01:22:42 <destinal> or maybe just enough of a "plugin" required to launch the native code
Dec 31 01:22:59 <destinal> you're right, there could be a special plugin / embed directive
Dec 31 01:23:03 <destinal> but I wonder if we even need it
Dec 31 01:23:22 <zsoc> destinal: we might be able to "overlay" luna, like in the background
Dec 31 01:23:32 <destinal> exactly what I was thinking
Dec 31 01:23:43 <zsoc> hmm... you know, an external display might be possible also with the fb driver
Dec 31 01:25:25 <destinal> ~botsnack
Dec 31 01:25:26 <infobot> destinal: :)
Dec 31 01:25:30 <destinal> ~seen ameng
Dec 31 01:25:33 <infobot> ameng is currently on #webos-internals (1d 7h 57m 53s), last said: 'warren: http://zawakei.web.fc2.com/mojimoca/ , do you try this?'.
Dec 31 01:26:17 <zsoc> destinal: this isn't dfb anymore
Dec 31 01:26:46 <destinal> zsoc: yeah, I was thinking about people here who might also know SDL :)
Dec 31 01:26:57 <zsoc> Palm has actually stepped up. A ground-up TI fb driver for OMAP34 and a full SDL port.
Dec 31 01:27:08 * luwangui is finally making the friggin metadoc image
Dec 31 01:27:09 <zsoc> I mean, we only know about it because they _had_ to release it. I'm glad personally.
Dec 31 01:27:11 <destinal> zsoc: we were always thinking of doing directfb and layering SDL on top of it
Dec 31 01:27:32 <destinal> zsoc: looks like palm beat us to it but bigger
Dec 31 01:27:34 <bpadalino> maybe palm stole the idea from you
Dec 31 01:27:49 <luwangui> i swear i have spent more than 24 hours trying to fix this pre lol
Dec 31 01:27:55 <destinal> bpadalino: heh :)
Dec 31 01:28:03 <zsoc> destinal: well it's even better. skip directfb, write the friggin driver, and then layer sdl ;)
Dec 31 01:28:35 <destinal> zsoc: yeah, what kind of apps *couldn't* we write with SDL and ES?
Dec 31 01:28:42 <destinal> this is exciting
Dec 31 01:29:14 <zsoc> destinal: so it seems like all of the OpenGL ES access is _through_ sdl, or maybe compiled into it? Not sure what the correct wording is, but it's not in separate libraries
Dec 31 01:29:28 <hape> when i listen to you. When we will so without virtual root
Dec 31 01:29:29 <hape> ?
Dec 31 01:29:41 <zsoc> hape: i'm sorry?
Dec 31 01:30:28 <zsoc> I think that's a google translate job there. Do we have any native german speakers?
Dec 31 01:30:49 <hape> olny fun. As you are talking about sdl and I see nfs getting read. Then I hope for a doom port on precentral.
Dec 31 01:30:58 * hape dreaming ...
Dec 31 01:31:11 <hape> ja
Dec 31 01:31:16 <zsoc> hape: I will port Doom for you tonight :)
Dec 31 01:31:18 <zsoc> xD
Dec 31 01:31:38 <destinal> zsoc: mickey|tv is a native German speaker I believe
Dec 31 01:31:46 <zsoc> now I need to learn sdl :P
Dec 31 01:31:48 * DarkSpecter too
Dec 31 01:32:04 <DarkSpecter> native german that is
Dec 31 01:32:27 <zsoc> I mean #webos guys will only need to know opengl es :P
Dec 31 01:32:28 <hape> sorry. It is 2:30am here. so my english is not the best at the moment :-)
Dec 31 01:33:04 <zsoc> hape: oh lol! You're ok mate, just your first sentence confused me. Your english is good otherwise :)
Dec 31 01:33:06 <hape> I saw the exisitng doom port, that used a fake root. That was what I'm mean
Dec 31 01:33:17 <zsoc> ah, i understand
Dec 31 01:33:29 <hape> so I hope for one without fakeroot now
Dec 31 01:33:41 <zsoc> palm did all the hard work already
Dec 31 01:34:00 <hape> I'm a programmer too, but not on embadded devices and linux. So only reading and learning for now
Dec 31 01:34:13 <zsoc> someone should convince puff not to go to school and just do awesome webos stuff ;)
Dec 31 01:34:21 <destinal> hopefully someone here knows more SDL than I do..  I am hoping that once we initialize a surface and start drawing to it, it'll be drawn instead of or on top of Luna, but that may be hoping for too much
Dec 31 01:35:08 <DarkSpecter> now that sdl is working what next ... wine ? :P
Dec 31 01:35:31 <zsoc> DarkSpecter: X on embedded devices is pretty useless without external display or 800x600 native displays, imho
Dec 31 01:35:36 <hape> Did I got you right. You what to tell luna that you have the screen directly draw to it without webkit control?
Dec 31 01:35:36 <destinal> DarkSpecter: well, we haven't exactly made it work yet (though I am sure it does probably work)
Dec 31 01:35:41 <meCka_> guys, to run webOS doctor do i need to still the SDK on my windows pc?
Dec 31 01:36:06 <zsoc> destinal: I don't think that's SDL knowledge, I can just read the docs for that. I think we need a low-level graphics guy to make breasts and rear of the fb driver in the kernel
Dec 31 01:36:25 <DarkSpecter> zsoc: that was meant as a joke actualy, i dont realy see the need for a virus runtime on webos ;)
Dec 31 01:36:44 <destinal> zsoc: now that metaphor might confuse those non-native english speakers :)
Dec 31 01:36:52 <destinal> it almost confused me
Dec 31 01:36:57 <zsoc> hape: yes we're trying to figure out if that's possible. it looks its possible with the new framebuffer driver built into the kernel.
Dec 31 01:36:57 <destinal> ;)
Dec 31 01:37:11 <zsoc> DarkSpecter: virus on webos before macos? i welcome it ;)
Dec 31 01:37:32 <zsoc> destinal: now they will learn 'zsoc english' ;)
Dec 31 01:37:51 <hape> zsoc: Thanks
Dec 31 01:39:00 <DarkSpecter> zsoc: well ignoring wine as a possible webos virus runtime, there's still flash once it actualy becomes available
Dec 31 01:39:20 <destinal> zsoc: I'm thinking an SDL terminal may be in our futures :)
Dec 31 01:39:37 <zsoc> destinal: also, looks like the sdl patches automatically set 320x480 res
Dec 31 01:40:47 <zsoc> destinal: and key mapping, it's all in the port
Dec 31 01:41:04 * DarkSpecter wonders if EFL can work with a sdl backend
Dec 31 01:41:15 <destinal> basically this could open native development to a LOT of people who probably struggle with the NPAPI stuff we're using now (I've been shocked that we still don't have any other homebrew plugins besides terminal for webos NPAPI)
Dec 31 01:41:59 <destinal> and also we wouldn't need piranha so I can stop being annoyed about not having it :)
Dec 31 01:42:24 <zsoc> ah, the strategy could be turn SDL into an SDK ;)
Dec 31 01:42:33 <zsoc> s/SDK/NDK/
Dec 31 01:42:34 <infobot> zsoc meant: ah, the strategy could be turn SDL into an NDK ;)
Dec 31 01:43:00 <destinal> ack, look at the time.  must commute home
Dec 31 01:43:01 <destinal> bbl
Dec 31 01:43:39 <zsoc> this is interesting... it may be able to run any standard sdl stuff webos compatible with no patches to the actually sdl application..
Dec 31 01:44:36 <bpadalino> there's a webos 1.3.3 ?
Dec 31 01:44:50 <zsoc> bpadalino: prolly gsm stuff
Dec 31 01:44:56 <bpadalino> ah
Dec 31 01:46:24 <acydlord> wow fail
Dec 31 01:46:34 <acydlord> i just got an incomming call and my phone froze and then rebooted
Dec 31 01:47:08 <zsoc> acydlord: what do you mean a call? like a subroutine?
Dec 31 01:47:24 <acydlord> incoming phonecall
Dec 31 01:47:37 <zsoc> phonecall? is that a function ()?
Dec 31 01:47:43 <bpadalino> heh
Dec 31 01:48:06 <acydlord> it's supposed to be a function since this isnt an iphone
Dec 31 01:48:10 <dBsooner> so what does the existence of these mean?
Dec 31 01:48:20 <dBsooner> usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideocrop.so and usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoscale.so
Dec 31 01:48:27 <zsoc> acydlord: lol good one
Dec 31 01:48:35 <zsoc> dBsooner: quiet you, there's too many things to do first
Dec 31 01:48:44 <dBsooner> i'm just sayin
Dec 31 01:48:58 <dBsooner> just pointin out the bluntly obvious new files in the "new" build of 1.3.5
Dec 31 01:49:28 * DarkSpecter considers tinkering with evas on webos
Dec 31 01:49:32 <zsoc> holy crap
Dec 31 01:49:39 <zsoc> uh... /usr/bin/sdl-config
Dec 31 01:49:51 <zsoc> they want to compile stuff on-device/on-install?
Dec 31 01:49:51 <dBsooner> yeah, that too
Dec 31 01:50:28 <zsoc> dBsooner: videoscale is just an auto 'make the video the size it should be' gst element, and videocrop is similar but more direct
Dec 31 01:50:49 <zsoc> dBsooner: but in theory videocrop could be used for trans/conversion more than just sizing
Dec 31 01:51:14 <yokken> I didn't really check this out since I didn't really care
Dec 31 01:51:23 <yokken> but is there a fix for app catalog?
Dec 31 01:51:34 <dBsooner> fix?
Dec 31 01:51:40 <yokken> mine is broken
Dec 31 01:51:45 <dBsooner> how?
Dec 31 01:51:51 <yokken> won't load... it just sits there
Dec 31 01:51:52 <navinag_> yokken: what do you mean fix
Dec 31 01:51:55 <yokken> no apps load or anything
Dec 31 01:52:02 <yokken> also wirc owns
Dec 31 01:52:05 <dBsooner> what is nappmgr?
Dec 31 01:52:48 <navinag_> yokken: I have not seen the app catalog not load.....There are some issues installing apps...but there is the EMH fix for that
Dec 31 01:52:51 <yokken> lol nvm guys, it works now. just didn't right away.
Dec 31 01:53:14 <yokken> I let it sit for like 30 seconds before didn't load, now it does
Dec 31 01:53:39 <zsoc> yokken: slow data connection mebe
Dec 31 01:53:46 <yokken> I was on wifi
Dec 31 01:53:52 <yokken> and I have a good connection
Dec 31 01:54:55 <zsoc> odd
Dec 31 01:56:32 <yokken> indeed
Dec 31 01:56:38 <yokken> but whatever, a hiccup.
Dec 31 01:56:49 <yokken> props to whoever made wIRC
Dec 31 02:01:29 <jacques3> has anyone noticed the colors are different in wIRC since the 1.3.5 upgrade?
Dec 31 02:02:09 <jacques3> the text colors, that is
Dec 31 02:02:30 <zsoc> jacques3: you prolly lost your config file in the move
Dec 31 02:03:25 <jacques3> zsoc: hmm, I bet you are right
Dec 31 02:03:49 <jacques3> I just don't remember configuring the colors, tho it's the sort of thing I would do
Dec 31 02:04:55 <luwangui> hmm running the "make clobber" to clean up the metadoctor.. how long is it supposed to take?
Dec 31 02:04:58 <jacques3> so, I wonder if someone compiled a 320x480 SDL app, and ran it on the Pre, what would happen ?
Dec 31 02:05:27 <yokken> I wish my nick would be colored
Dec 31 02:05:37 <zsoc> jacques3: doing it now
Dec 31 02:05:51 <jacques3> zsoc: you rock!
Dec 31 02:06:23 <zsoc> jacques3: my guess is it will complain about the video surface not being available
Dec 31 02:06:46 <rwhitby> Technobabble: you can use meta-doctor to get straight to launcher on a pre with bad touchscreen
Dec 31 02:06:47 <jacques3> ah, because luna is using it?
Dec 31 02:08:33 <jacques3> maybe palm also snuck in some clever way of switching access to the fb device
Dec 31 02:09:00 <zsoc> jacques3: it would be difficult, they released the whole fb driver. unless i just cant read
Dec 31 02:09:03 <zsoc> which is possible
Dec 31 02:14:03 <SteveApos> Anyone experiencing an issue with the battery percent and icon patch? Everytime my phone reaches 100% the percentage disappears, as soon as it hits 99% it'll come back.
Dec 31 02:14:43 <jacques3> SteveApos: I have one of those patches, and I haven't see that behavior
Dec 31 02:15:07 <SteveApos> can't figure out what would cause it considering I've doctored like 3 times in the past few days its a few install.
Dec 31 02:15:18 <SteveApos> new* install
Dec 31 02:16:27 <jacques3> rwhitby: it may be possible to communicate directly with upstart init over dbus on webos, have you encountered that?
Dec 31 02:16:29 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 31 02:16:38 <rwhitby> jacques3: nope
Dec 31 02:16:52 <jacques3> rwhitby: OK I'll keep looking at it
Dec 31 02:17:08 <rwhitby> jacques3: but I expect it might be possible - there are some dbus ports open in developer mode over usb
Dec 31 02:17:21 <rwhitby> (see the related upstart scripts)
Dec 31 02:17:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you still here?
Dec 31 02:19:19 <destinal> quiet...
Dec 31 02:19:43 <jacques3> too quiet
Dec 31 02:20:18 <zsoc> destinal: oh this is cool. when the surface is 'flipped' (presumably from accelerometer actions) it saves the last buffer, destroys the old surface, makes the new surface in the new orientation, and displays that saved buffer
Dec 31 02:20:50 <destinal> cool
Dec 31 02:20:51 <jacques3> I was wondering how they could handle that
Dec 31 02:21:39 <zsoc> rwhitby: do you know any SDL guys? I need someone to confirm compiling _against_ a standard sdl library wouldn't completely disfigure sdl applications. Otherwise the only way I can compile sdl applications is _on_ the pre D:
Dec 31 02:21:42 <jacques3> heck, maybe that's part of stock SDL
Dec 31 02:22:31 <jacques3> what's wrong with compiling on the pre?   :-D  I guess it's not been done much so far
Dec 31 02:23:22 <jacques3> couldn't you copy the libs into the staging dir of your cross-toolchain?
Dec 31 02:23:32 <destinal> I've done it
Dec 31 02:23:48 <jacques3> hmm, what about header files?
Dec 31 02:24:07 <jacques3> destinal: you've built things native on the pre? cool
Dec 31 02:24:10 <destinal> build on pre that is.  not sdl tho
Dec 31 02:24:27 <jacques3> using the toolchain in optware?
Dec 31 02:24:51 <destinal> using a debian chroot
Dec 31 02:25:06 <acydlord> zsoc, you should be able to compile using qemu
Dec 31 02:25:27 <jacques3> ah. anyone done NFS to pre over wifi?
Dec 31 02:25:40 <zsoc> I built glib on the pre. it's painful
Dec 31 02:25:51 <zsoc> acydlord: i am not familiar :/
Dec 31 02:26:04 <zsoc> destinal: seems there is a "virtual framebuffer" involved here.
Dec 31 02:26:07 <acydlord> when i'd do sdl porting for the N810 i used qemu, it's a processor emulator for linux
Dec 31 02:26:18 <jacques3> hmm, nfs over usbnet would be better
Dec 31 02:26:19 <zsoc> acydlord: why didn't you tell me you had sdl knowledge?
Dec 31 02:26:37 <destinal> surely someone has nfs but sshfs is simple enough
Dec 31 02:26:45 <acydlord> zsoc, i dont really have sdl knowlege, just did some porting from exsisting packages
Dec 31 02:26:53 <acydlord> x86 to armel stuff
Dec 31 02:27:36 <jacques3> destinal: hmm I didn't even think about sshfs, but it sounds CPU-intensive due to the encryption
Dec 31 02:28:03 <jettero> ssh encryption isn't really that cpu intensive
Dec 31 02:28:09 <jettero> it's symmetric after some initial negotiations
Dec 31 02:28:19 <zsoc> acydlord: what sdl library did you use? a standard one?
Dec 31 02:28:50 <zsoc> destinal: this is interesting, palm's patch forces resolution, but emulates/scales bitdepth
Dec 31 02:29:27 <jacques3> incidentally, if you want an extra megabyte-per-second xfer rate over scp over usbnet to the pre, use the blowfish cypher - goes from 2.7MiB/s to 3.7MiB/s
Dec 31 02:29:47 <jacques3> well from the pre, I don't think it can write to flash that fast...
Dec 31 02:30:15 <zsoc> destinal: ZOMG. look at line 13333 of palm's libsdl patch.. gogogogogo
Dec 31 02:30:39 <acydlord> zsoc, i believe it was a standard lib, someone ported the libs for the omap procs in the NITs
Dec 31 02:30:42 <jacques3> what depth does luna run? 16-bit?
Dec 31 02:30:50 <acydlord> someone in #maemo might have more info
Dec 31 02:31:01 <zsoc> jacques3: 32bit
Dec 31 02:31:06 <zsoc> acydlord: thank you
Dec 31 02:31:07 <egaudet> more aupt bugs, grr
Dec 31 02:31:20 <jacques3> zsoc: oh cool
Dec 31 02:31:31 <destinal> zsoc you will have to tell me
Dec 31 02:31:31 <zsoc> destinal: GOGOGOGOGO
Dec 31 02:31:40 <zsoc> destinal: but it's cooler if you see it for yourself :(
Dec 31 02:31:43 <destinal> I am on wirc
Dec 31 02:31:47 <zsoc> bah
Dec 31 02:31:51 <zsoc> how long till you get home? :P
Dec 31 02:32:07 <destinal> half hr
Dec 31 02:32:12 <egaudet> tell me
Dec 31 02:32:22 <destinal> pastebin
Dec 31 02:32:37 <destinal> ok will tellya
Dec 31 02:33:03 <zsoc> hmm... oh this is troublesome
Dec 31 02:33:07 <zsoc> awesome, but troublesome
Dec 31 02:34:40 <jacques3> but still awesome
Dec 31 02:35:00 <egaudet> rwhitby, can I get a clean and rebuild of test patches feed when you get a chance.  Fixed another bug
Dec 31 02:36:01 <jacques3> SDL_FBCON_VFB ... hmm VFB ... V
Dec 31 02:36:40 <jacques3> oh I guess the V is for video and not virtual ... ?
Dec 31 02:37:37 <jacques3> so AFAWK there are no binaries included in 1.3.5 which are linked to the SDL libs?
Dec 31 02:38:21 <zsoc> jacques3: i'm not so sure, the sdl patches include support for full migration of the video playback elements to be directly linked to the framebuffer through sdl
Dec 31 02:38:23 <ird> :*
Dec 31 02:38:36 <destinal> only a pdl lib
Dec 31 02:39:22 <destinal> and not sure what links that if any
Dec 31 02:39:39 <jacques3> #include "../src/events/webos/tslib.h"
Dec 31 02:39:41 <zsoc> jacques3: why would we need any binaries linked to sdl libs? we make our own
Dec 31 02:39:48 <zsoc> :D
Dec 31 02:39:57 <jacques3> wasn't someone asking for pre support in tslib ?
Dec 31 02:40:18 <jacques3> zsoc: oh just to see how they behave
Dec 31 02:40:22 <aioniosfilos> help. Just got palm pres new patch .5  preware won't work
Dec 31 02:40:28 <zsoc> I'm just confused what to set the surface as in this test program. The patch seems to make the surface dynamic based on environmental variables and other various states of Luna
Dec 31 02:40:45 <zsoc> aioniosfilos: uninstall and reinstall package manager service, then run the migration helper
Dec 31 02:41:27 <hape> night, see you later
Dec 31 02:41:27 <jacques3> heh, too bad we can't look at luna patches to see if it has sdl cooperation
Dec 31 02:41:52 <zsoc> lets turn turbo on :D
Dec 31 02:41:53 <zsoc> lol
Dec 31 02:42:13 <aioniosfilos> bah so I need to get back to my computer then.
Dec 31 02:42:36 <zsoc> aioniosfilos: unless you have the terminal app installed
Dec 31 02:42:50 <PreGame> since i updated to 1.3.5 i cannot install anything via preware
Dec 31 02:42:53 <PreGame> i get an ipkg error
Dec 31 02:43:03 <zsoc> PreGame: care to elaborate the error? :P
Dec 31 02:43:28 <PreGame> ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during "install" operation
Dec 31 02:43:33 <ird> lol
Dec 31 02:44:08 <aioniosfilos> the linux terminal app? Bah. Na I've been using something else webos installer.
Dec 31 02:44:17 <ird> PreGame: reinstall preware and the ipkg service with Webos Quick Install.
Dec 31 02:44:53 <PreGame> i did
Dec 31 02:44:56 <PreGame> ahh i see
Dec 31 02:45:01 <aioniosfilos> wheres the newest v? I think mines rather old anyways homebrew links an older one.
Dec 31 02:45:11 <PreGame> it looks like it cant find the depends for diffstat and patch
Dec 31 02:45:16 <PreGame> thats weird
Dec 31 02:46:40 <elpollodiablo1> so I am going to be updating to 1.3.5 tonight anything I need to do before that happens? I know I should remove patches, but the only patchs I have are done by hand(manually edited files on pre) and they are only like turning on the led alert and and hiding an app through editing .json file
Dec 31 02:47:06 <elpollodiablo1> I dont have any homebrew apps installed
Dec 31 02:47:12 <PreGame> oh crap
Dec 31 02:47:16 <PreGame> i moved them with mvapp
Dec 31 02:47:20 <PreGame> how do i move them back?
Dec 31 02:47:59 <PreGame> elpollodiablo1: move your apps back to the /var if you used mvapp if you can
Dec 31 02:48:23 <aioniosfilos> 1.3.5 broke my preware so I guess just reinstall
Dec 31 02:48:39 <destinal> update mvapp it has a new thinh
Dec 31 02:48:52 <destinal> for help fix
Dec 31 02:49:39 <elpollodiablo1> PreGame: I didnt move any of my apps out of /var. any other things I should check?
Dec 31 02:49:45 <destinal> yay for one handed wirc usage
Dec 31 02:51:02 <ird> This is why I didn't use mvapp :D
Dec 31 02:51:51 <destinal> my battery keeps charge so much longer on 135
Dec 31 02:52:31 <elpollodiablo1> also after the update I plan on install preware and installing the terminal. I have the old optware installed through the bootstrap script outlined in the "next step" section on webos-internals
Dec 31 02:53:25 <elpollodiablo1> I know there is an optware install through preware, with having it set up the old way casue problems in the future?
Dec 31 02:55:22 <jacques3> how do I run the demo in /usr/palm/ondevicedemo ? it's taking up 21.5MiB, I should at least see it
Dec 31 02:55:27 <destinal> elpollodiablo1: not sure, I still use the older method
Dec 31 02:56:08 <ird> jacques3: might be the thing you get after you activate..
Dec 31 02:56:16 <ird> Where it shows you the back gesture and the photo app..
Dec 31 02:56:23 <jacques3> ird: it looks like a lot more
Dec 31 02:56:31 <elpollodiablo1> destinal: ok I guess I will find out, if I find anything weird I will let you know
Dec 31 02:56:33 <ird> I dunno.
Dec 31 02:59:31 <destinal> yeah  I think it's what they use for store floor models
Dec 31 02:59:44 <destinal> there's a hidden demo app
Dec 31 02:59:53 <destinal> maybe related
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