**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 02:59:57 2009
Dec 31 03:01:17 <jacques3> destinal: do you know how I can run the hidden demo?
Dec 31 03:02:43 <destinal> try editing appinfo json to unhide
Dec 31 03:02:59 <destinal> in palm apps demo something dir
Dec 31 03:03:34 <jacques_pre> ok thanks
Dec 31 03:07:14 <egaudet> doctoring back to 1.2.1 joy
Dec 31 03:09:44 <jacques3> do I need to restart luna to get the app to show up?
Dec 31 03:10:24 <jacques3> I changed /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.odd/appinfo.json:"visible" to true
Dec 31 03:10:25 <jettero> hrm, the optware install pages of the webos-interlas wiki seems to indicate the way I did it last time is depricated... but I don't have an "optware" section in my preware
Dec 31 03:10:41 <jettero> do I need to reinstall preware (again)?
Dec 31 03:11:14 <egaudet> jacques3, you can rescan I think
Dec 31 03:11:25 <egaudet> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}
Dec 31 03:13:29 <destinal> egaudet: that is some dedication there
Dec 31 03:13:51 <jacques3> egaudet: it took that command, but I don't see anything new. oh well :-)
Dec 31 03:14:34 <egaudet> jacques3, it might still require a luna restart i wasn't sure
Dec 31 03:14:52 <dBsooner> dangit!
Dec 31 03:14:53 <egaudet> destinal, yea all these tiny little aupt bugs make for lots of doctoring
Dec 31 03:15:03 <jacques3> ok I don't want to lose my wIRC session, so I'll restart later
Dec 31 03:15:19 <luwangui> anyone got a second?
Dec 31 03:15:22 <dBsooner> they did too much to messaging for me to figure out how to fix ONE CHUNK in the sms-tone-per-contact patch
Dec 31 03:15:23 <dBsooner> :(
Dec 31 03:15:25 <egaudet> but there is a launch command you may be able to do
Dec 31 03:15:36 <egaudet> i just don't know what it is off the top of my head
Dec 31 03:15:56 <PreGame> i can't seem to install diffstat and patch
Dec 31 03:16:04 <egaudet> might be able to do something like applicationManager/launch {"appid":<appid>"}
Dec 31 03:16:08 <PreGame> webos QI says it can't find the packages even after i downloaded them
Dec 31 03:16:08 <zsoc> hmmm... i'm not sure this is so good
Dec 31 03:16:27 <egaudet> PreGame, what version of QI and did you try preware
Dec 31 03:17:09 <PreGame> an older one i guess. is there a new one that is just for 1.3.5?
Dec 31 03:17:17 <egaudet> 2.96 I think
Dec 31 03:17:42 <jacques3> zsoc: ??
Dec 31 03:18:40 <PreGame> does updated to 1.3.5 remove diffstat and patch?
Dec 31 03:18:50 <PreGame> i had it installed before on 1.3.2
Dec 31 03:20:35 <egaudet> they don't get migrated
Dec 31 03:20:35 <egaudet> but they are still existing in /var/usr/bin/
Dec 31 03:20:47 <egaudet> you should be able to install them again
Dec 31 03:21:17 <helpme> help me
Dec 31 03:21:32 <PreGame> i think mvapp moved it
Dec 31 03:21:41 <rwhitby> e
Dec 31 03:21:46 <zsoc> destinal: so what the hell is libpdl again?
Dec 31 03:21:55 <destinal> no clue
Dec 31 03:22:02 <zsoc> ...
Dec 31 03:22:26 <rwhitby> egaudet: rebuild underway - use gtalk for getting my attention quicker
Dec 31 03:22:38 <destinal> just that it links sdl
Dec 31 03:22:50 <egaudet> PreGame, doesn't matter if mvapp moved diffstat/patch they have nothing in app data so they wont be migrated
Dec 31 03:23:07 <PreGame> then i wonder why it said it couldn't be found
Dec 31 03:23:22 <egaudet> because you have to install it again on 1.3.5
Dec 31 03:23:24 <zsoc> destinal: why isn't it released on opensource.palm.com?
Dec 31 03:23:33 <egaudet> it won't ever be migrated for /var to media
Dec 31 03:23:44 <egaudet> at least we haven't decided on what to do with those types of packages
Dec 31 03:24:12 <destinal> zsoc: because it's not oss
Dec 31 03:24:23 <destinal> lgpl libs you can link
Dec 31 03:24:42 <destinal> and stay closed
Dec 31 03:24:44 <egaudet> rwhitby, thanks, am in the process of doctoring so wasn't urgent yet :P
Dec 31 03:24:59 <zsoc> .. oh
Dec 31 03:25:48 <zsoc> "luna://com.palm.firewall/portCtrl"
Dec 31 03:26:23 <destinal> zsoc: only if you USE the lib rather than are part of
Dec 31 03:26:27 <zsoc> it has tcp and udp port settings
Dec 31 03:27:00 <rwhitby> zsoc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management
Dec 31 03:27:16 <rwhitby> add what you find there please
Dec 31 03:27:41 <zsoc> rwhitby: .... i'll make sure to get someone to do it :>
Dec 31 03:27:41 <rwhitby> I've found enough so far to make webOS aware of openvpn routing and dns changes
Dec 31 03:27:55 <zsoc> this looks like some sort of.. content streaming library tho
Dec 31 03:28:15 <egaudet> oh jacques3 forgot you could try palm-launch from your PC if connected through USB to try and launch the hidden app
Dec 31 03:28:21 <en0x> this thing with pre is so lame
Dec 31 03:28:43 <en0x> when u have it on touchstone and u have alarm set up and it go off u have to unlock the phone and then snooze the alarm
Dec 31 03:28:49 <en0x> it should unlock by itself imho
Dec 31 03:29:03 <oil> i usually pick it up off the touchstone to turn it off
Dec 31 03:29:10 <oil> which unlocks it upon lifting it
Dec 31 03:29:12 <en0x> i;m too lazy
Dec 31 03:29:15 <oil> then tap the button
Dec 31 03:30:48 <zsoc> "NotifyMusicPlaying", "WebOsHookBannerMessagesEnable"
Dec 31 03:31:17 <en0x> musicplayer remix is borked a little it no loger resumes the song
Dec 31 03:31:28 <en0x> it starts from the begining not from where u left it off
Dec 31 03:31:35 <jacques3> egaudet: I am connected over usbnet
Dec 31 03:31:57 <zsoc> what is in /proc/nduid ?
Dec 31 03:32:21 <egaudet> palm-launch can launch apps from your pc over novacom
Dec 31 03:32:45 <jacques3> egaudet: ah so it's a PC app
Dec 31 03:32:52 <egaudet> part of the sdk from palm
Dec 31 03:32:57 <egaudet> just a command line tool
Dec 31 03:33:17 <egaudet> palm-package, palm-install, palm-launch
Dec 31 03:35:31 <zsoc> What the heck is luna://com.palm.mediaevents/notifyPlayingStatusChange
Dec 31 03:35:47 <getisboy> Has anyone noticed that if you dial a contact's number with the wrong area code, the contact still is listed as the recipient of the call?
Dec 31 03:36:19 <rwhitby> egaudet: done
Dec 31 03:36:45 <jacques3> egaudet: hmm, it says it's launching it, but nothing happens. it's not a big deal really.  :-)
Dec 31 03:36:52 <rwhitby> jacques3: there is a hash code to start the on device demo
Dec 31 03:37:08 <rwhitby> it will wipe your contacts and stuff
Dec 31 03:37:24 <rwhitby> it's basically the demo you see palm people using at trade conferences
Dec 31 03:38:52 <jacques3> rwhitby: ah ugh
Dec 31 03:38:59 <jacques3> lol I'm glad I didn't start it
Dec 31 03:41:05 <zsoc> Here's a ridiculous question. What's the best way to _close_ Luna?
Dec 31 03:41:16 <destinal1> stop LunaSysMgr
Dec 31 03:41:18 <egaudet> stop LunaSysMgr
Dec 31 03:41:26 <zsoc> Right.
Dec 31 03:41:27 <jacques3> heh
Dec 31 03:41:30 <zsoc> like a service
Dec 31 03:41:31 <zsoc> i get it now
Dec 31 03:46:05 <zsoc> aannnnddd debian image is downloading at 5kbps :<
Dec 31 03:46:21 <acydlord> zsoc, downloading it from 1997?
Dec 31 03:46:59 <zsoc> acydlord: Iowa State University has found a time warp, apparently
Dec 31 03:48:41 <acydlord> zsoc, try xmission mirror
Dec 31 03:48:51 <zsoc> locashuns?!!?!
Dec 31 03:49:20 <acydlord> http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian-cd/ replace with ftp if you prefer, usually downloads at 200k or better for me
Dec 31 03:49:47 <zsoc> ah nice
Dec 31 03:49:52 <zsoc> you are useful
Dec 31 03:50:30 <acydlord> i'm the human version of an internet spider =x
Dec 31 03:50:38 <geist> archie!
Dec 31 03:50:39 <zsoc> acydlord: er... although i was referring to a _particular_ debian image for chrooting from my pre
Dec 31 03:50:47 <acydlord> ahh
Dec 31 03:51:01 <zsoc> geist: who wrote the new fb driver? :P
Dec 31 03:51:10 <geist> beats me
Dec 31 03:51:18 <geist> i aint talkin bout nothin
Dec 31 03:51:21 <bpadalino> what a jerk of a guy for beating you :(
Dec 31 03:51:50 <acydlord> zsoc whats the file name on the particular version? i can scrape my mirrors to see if its on one
Dec 31 03:51:58 <jacques3> double negative, now you have to talk about something
Dec 31 03:52:00 <bpadalino> just finishing up watching wargames
Dec 31 03:52:00 <destinal1> bpadalino: there's someone going around beating geist?
Dec 31 03:52:07 <bpadalino> such a good movie
Dec 31 03:52:18 <bpadalino> destinal1: apparently the guy who wrote the frame buffer stuff beats geist! :(
Dec 31 03:52:49 <zsoc> acydlord: debsmall.img.bz2
Dec 31 03:53:07 <zsoc> geist: but aren't you the kernel guy?
Dec 31 03:53:24 <destinal1> zsoc: the store I went to on the way home didn't have SN kellerweis, so I grabbed some Odell Isolation ale.  very tasty.
Dec 31 03:53:27 <PreGame> I am trying to install some patches after doing the 1.3.5 update and it says they are already installed, but they are not working
Dec 31 03:53:42 <zsoc> geist: well when you see him, you tell Bennett Chan he's a pretty cool guy.
Dec 31 03:53:53 <zsoc> destinal1: ah yes, the beer. important ;)
Dec 31 03:54:42 <zsoc> acydlord: n/m, after waiting 10 minutes it spiked to 200KB/s
Dec 31 03:54:55 <zsoc> acydlord: n/m again, back down to nothing. i love this school lol
Dec 31 03:55:18 <acydlord> zsoc, i'm pulling it at 270kb
Dec 31 03:55:35 <zsoc> hmmm
Dec 31 03:55:39 <zsoc> maybe they don't like _me_
Dec 31 03:55:55 <acydlord> I'll dump it to my dropbox when it's done
Dec 31 03:56:33 <PreGame> how do i remove bad ipkg patches?  they wont work and i cant install them since updating to 1.3.5
Dec 31 03:57:35 <zsoc> PreGame: migration helper, let webos move them, uninstall with preware?
Dec 31 03:57:50 <acydlord> ipkg remove packagename --force ?
Dec 31 04:00:54 <navinag_> egaudet:  Can you explain to me what the status file in preware is for?
Dec 31 04:01:39 <navinag_> egaudet: it appears to me that it tells preware what packages are installed...
Dec 31 04:01:51 <bpadalino> geist, i had novacomd start eating up 98% cpu the other day with 1.3.5 .. not sure how it happened and i couldn't figure out wtf it was doing unfortunately .. :( reboot was the only way to fix it .. unplugging/replugging usb didn't seem to have an effect
Dec 31 04:02:10 <destinal1> acydlord: downloading it from 1980 is more like it, 97 had pretty fast modems comparatively
Dec 31 04:02:13 <PreGame> zsoc: what is migration helper?
Dec 31 04:02:19 <egaudet> status file in preware?
Dec 31 04:02:21 <PreGame> Where do i access it in preware?
Dec 31 04:02:58 <egaudet> available packages -> linux application
Dec 31 04:03:29 <navinag_> egaudet: i removed a package today and preware did not see any of my installed packages after that..  After poking around I found the status file and .status_backup...  The new one was empty and the backup had all my packages....Seem to me that pkg manager service or the post install script  hosed something..
Dec 31 04:04:13 <egaudet> PreGame, did you leave the patches installed before updating to 1.3.5?
Dec 31 04:04:20 <navinag_> egaudet: i tehn copied over the backup --> status and all was ok.......is this a known issues with the new preweare/pms combo?  I have not tried ininstalling anything else yet...
Dec 31 04:04:33 <jacques3> what is /usr/bin/d8 ?
Dec 31 04:04:59 <egaudet> the <offline_root>/usr/lib/ipkg/status file is a standard ipkg file that ipkg manages i believe
Dec 31 04:05:03 <PreGame> egaudet: yes
Dec 31 04:05:06 <egaudet> i haven't seen it ever get corrupted/erased like that
Dec 31 04:05:37 <egaudet> PreGame, in that case if you did EMH it will then migrate your patch packages but yu can't uninstall them because the files changed from OTA
Dec 31 04:05:44 <PreGame> and i don't see the emh in preware
Dec 31 04:06:03 <egaudet> list of everything type "emer"
Dec 31 04:06:19 <PreGame> so how do i install them again?
Dec 31 04:06:49 <PreGame> all i see is "limited mergency button
Dec 31 04:06:52 <egaudet> navinag, so what did you do before it got messed up like that?
Dec 31 04:07:14 <egaudet> PreGame, then it seems the webos-internals feed isn't on or not installed correctly
Dec 31 04:07:23 <egaudet> manage feeds and make sure webos-internals feed is on
Dec 31 04:07:39 <egaudet> if it is then you'll have to reinstall package manager service with QI 2.96 or CLI
Dec 31 04:07:48 <PreGame> it is
Dec 31 04:07:51 <DrFunk> is precorder working ?
Dec 31 04:08:03 <egaudet> afaik
Dec 31 04:08:04 <PreGame> i just installed 2.96
Dec 31 04:08:24 <PreGame> there now i see it
Dec 31 04:08:25 <PreGame> weird
Dec 31 04:08:57 <egaudet> by installed do you mean downloaded
Dec 31 04:09:14 <zsoc> You don't generally install java executables
Dec 31 04:09:14 <PreGame> nope, installed
Dec 31 04:09:16 <PreGame> it works now
Dec 31 04:09:24 <zsoc> I suppose you could put them... somewhere
Dec 31 04:09:41 <dBsooner> something has gone haywire with my Pre
Dec 31 04:09:47 <PreGame> i clicked install on webosQI
Dec 31 04:09:49 <DrFunk> egaudet: do you no if precorder is working
Dec 31 04:09:56 <dBsooner> I haven't been able to "reboot" in weeks
Dec 31 04:10:06 <egaudet> PreGame, how did you "install" quick install
Dec 31 04:10:22 <dBsooner> if I type "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", or even do the "restart phone" from rest options, it just freezes during shutdown animation.
Dec 31 04:10:46 <egaudet> DrFunk, as far as i know
Dec 31 04:10:51 <zsoc> dBsooner: there is a new 'shutdown' element in the kernel. probably has nothing to do with your issue tho.
Dec 31 04:10:58 <DrFunk> dBsooner: take the battery out
Dec 31 04:11:06 <dBsooner> DrFunk: that's what I have been doing
Dec 31 04:11:08 <dBsooner> but its annoying
Dec 31 04:11:11 <rick_home> has anyone tested the webkit css transform pages to see if they work better?
Dec 31 04:11:24 <dBsooner> I wonder if its wircd or mytetherd
Dec 31 04:11:25 <dBsooner> hmm
Dec 31 04:11:42 <DrFunk> well its not wircd
Dec 31 04:11:52 <DrFunk> could be the other
Dec 31 04:12:28 <navinag_> egaudet: i installed the cpu scaling patch...wasnt working to well for me...I uninstalled it and then the status file was cleared
Dec 31 04:12:29 <jacques3> dBsooner: someone else was complaining of something like that and they had also installed mytether
Dec 31 04:12:49 <dBsooner> i meant freetetherd.. sorry
Dec 31 04:12:53 <navinag_> egaudet: rebooted between then of course
Dec 31 04:13:16 <egaudet> interesting, no errors and everything went smooth installing/uninstalling as far you could tell?
Dec 31 04:14:07 <DrFunk> zsoc: precorder working ?
Dec 31 04:14:57 <zsoc> DrFunk: it never really 'worked' per se
Dec 31 04:15:31 <navinag_> DrFunk: I have .35 working....The first video everytime consistenly does not record for me...but other than that..works
Dec 31 04:15:32 <acydlord> zsoc, hows that download going?
Dec 31 04:16:01 <zsoc> acydlord: up and down, 50% done
Dec 31 04:16:12 <DrFunk> zsoc: was working fine for me now I get a error can't play file was there a new update ?
Dec 31 04:21:25 <DrFunk> am I still here
Dec 31 04:25:51 <rwhitby> DrFunk: I fixed Precorder last night.
Dec 31 04:26:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: the best way to reboot a Pre is "tellbootie"
Dec 31 04:26:16 <DrFunk> so new update than ?
Dec 31 04:26:38 <rwhitby> DrFunk: 0.3.5
Dec 31 04:26:50 <rwhitby> DrFunk: you're not folllowing @webosinternals on twitter?
Dec 31 04:27:20 <DrFunk> I don't have a twitter app
Dec 31 04:27:28 <DrFunk> won't install
Dec 31 04:27:33 <rwhitby> use an RSS feed then
Dec 31 04:27:36 <PreGame-> i ran EMH and when i try to remove the old patches it just spins and says "Removing"
Dec 31 04:27:43 <rwhitby> or a twitter to email gateway
Dec 31 04:27:57 <DrFunk> rwhitby: what app do you use
Dec 31 04:28:00 <rwhitby> EMH doesn't remove patches.  do you mean EPR?
Dec 31 04:28:15 <rwhitby> DrFunk: Adium on Mac, or Tweed or Twee or Spaz on Pre
Dec 31 04:28:35 <PreGame-> no i ran EMH and went in to each of the installed to remove them
Dec 31 04:29:07 <rwhitby> PreGame-: dunno then, sorry.
Dec 31 04:29:10 <DrFunk> ok rwhitby what would you suggest I try on the pre
Dec 31 04:29:23 <rwhitby> DrFunk: Spaz, cause it's open source.
Dec 31 04:29:50 <DrFunk> going to look now
Dec 31 04:29:54 <PreGame-> ill try epr
Dec 31 04:30:00 <rwhitby> (even though I'm personally not a fan of the dark theme)
Dec 31 04:30:03 <DrFunk> btw thanks brb
Dec 31 04:30:30 <DrFunk> preware ?
Dec 31 04:30:55 <rwhitby> spaz is in app catalog
Dec 31 04:31:20 <zsoc> rwhitby: does optware have the equivalent of 'build-essential'?
Dec 31 04:31:30 <egaudet> you should always remove patches prior to updating
Dec 31 04:31:35 <destinal1> zsoc: so you meant
Dec 31 04:31:36 <dBsooner> rwhitby: pushed Makefiles to build
Dec 31 04:31:38 <destinal1> +           if (0 && vfb->scale == 1.0f && !vfb->rotated) {
Dec 31 04:31:39 <destinal1> +               /* We can give the app direct access to the screen */
Dec 31 04:31:43 <dBsooner> updated 5 patches for 1.3.5
Dec 31 04:31:53 <zsoc> destinal: yes, particular that comment line.
Dec 31 04:31:53 <egaudet> EPR to remove all the patch packages
Dec 31 04:32:12 <zsoc> destinal: that's pretty epic
Dec 31 04:32:46 <zsoc> direct hardware accelerated fullscreen core kernel driven surface
Dec 31 04:32:53 <dBsooner> egaudet: whats patch_control_dir?
Dec 31 04:33:07 <dBsooner> . /var/lib/ipkg/.webosinternals.org?
Dec 31 04:33:24 <egaudet> /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches
Dec 31 04:33:29 <zsoc> hmm... i wonder if i can just port the gp32x sdl stuff.. that's a pretty similar environment
Dec 31 04:33:31 <egaudet> I was thinking about moving it to /media/internal/
Dec 31 04:33:36 <egaudet> but now I'm thinking about leaving it in /var
Dec 31 04:33:50 <dBsooner> i am asking where it is right now?
Dec 31 04:34:04 <egaudet> I just told you ^^
Dec 31 04:34:19 <destinal1> zsoc: woah, did you check out the ascii art for the haptic waveforms?
Dec 31 04:34:31 <zsoc> destinal: yeah that was pretty genius no? lol
Dec 31 04:34:42 <dBsooner> so what I put is where it is right now?
Dec 31 04:34:45 <zsoc> "A comment is not enough, here's 100 lines of ascii so you can get it"
Dec 31 04:35:24 * egaudet think I want to make an app/service to download the doctor, do the extracting on the pre and repair files all OTA
Dec 31 04:35:54 <egaudet> dBsooner, did you miss my comment?
Dec 31 04:35:58 <egaudet> <egaudet> /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches
Dec 31 04:36:09 <dBsooner> bioe
Dec 31 04:36:11 <dBsooner> yep
Dec 31 04:36:12 <dBsooner> k
Dec 31 04:36:21 <PreGame-> doing the EPR just shows the spinner saying downloading/installing
Dec 31 04:37:12 <zsoc> destinal: also, it appears the computer is on the user's head, and the user is a creepy stalker
Dec 31 04:39:38 <rwhitby> egaudet: will EPR work post-migration?
Dec 31 04:39:44 <zsoc> destinal: check outlines 1903 and 1904
Dec 31 04:39:55 <zsoc> destinal: 5 finger games? :D
Dec 31 04:40:27 <rwhitby> zsoc, destinal: what are you guys looking at?
Dec 31 04:40:28 <egaudet> rwhitby, it should
Dec 31 04:40:43 <rwhitby> egaudet: so anyone having patch problems should just run EPR?
Dec 31 04:40:45 <egaudet> EPR will remove packages from both /var and /media/cryptofs/apps
Dec 31 04:40:51 <egaudet> yea
Dec 31 04:40:55 <egaudet> always
Dec 31 04:40:58 <zsoc> rwhitby: don't you read backlogs?
Dec 31 04:41:02 <egaudet> (and maybe forever)
Dec 31 04:41:06 <PreGame-> EPR doesn't work
Dec 31 04:41:06 <rwhitby> egaudet: the released EPR or the alpha?
Dec 31 04:41:10 <egaudet> released
Dec 31 04:41:13 <PreGame-> it just says "Downloading/installing" non stop
Dec 31 04:41:34 <dBsooner> rwhitby: as soon as I removed all services (freetetherd, gstreamer, wircd) phone reboots fine now
Dec 31 04:41:36 <egaudet> I'll always try to keep EPR to work for it's designated purpose, which is emergency removal of stuck or weird-state patching
Dec 31 04:42:09 <zsoc> rwhitby: first comment was from the new kernel patch 'diff' in 135, new framebuffer driver to replace all directfb functionality with some native actions, and current stuff is pointed at the new sdl library 'patch' from opensource.palm.com in 135 that includes the patches palm wrote to port sdl to webos
Dec 31 04:42:23 <egaudet> PreGame-, be patient with EPR
Dec 31 04:42:29 <egaudet> it may take a while if you have many patches installed
Dec 31 04:42:31 <zsoc> Hm, I no longer make sense when I type things. Weird. sory.
Dec 31 04:42:47 <egaudet> EPR doesn't really install, it just does all it's work in the post-install script
Dec 31 04:43:20 <dBsooner> ok.. time to tweet..
Dec 31 04:43:22 <zsoc> egaudet: EPR should have a flag that makes the 'install' button turn into a 'run utility' button
Dec 31 04:45:08 <rwhitby> PreGame-: are you in contact with Jason about the flashlight?  Apparently he's updating it for 1.3.5, but I thought you were going to put the code up into the git repo and rename the service?
Dec 31 04:45:29 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/218030-wheres-myflashlight-new-post.html
Dec 31 04:46:24 <egaudet> OTA updating to 1.3.5 with 101 aupt patches installed... let's hope this is the last time
Dec 31 04:46:59 <zsoc> egaudet: gl bro
Dec 31 04:47:47 <PreGame-> I am but i am out of town until next week
Dec 31 04:47:57 * oil thought rwhitby was going to make a c service just for the led
Dec 31 04:48:27 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, i was, but then 1.3.5 arrived.
Dec 31 04:48:32 <oil> lol
Dec 31 04:48:33 <zsoc> i think puff sorta made a part of one
Dec 31 04:49:23 <rwhitby> I just hope Jason doesn't release yet another version with the same service name, thereby making it even harder to weed out the extremely old version with the open command line method.
Dec 31 04:50:49 <zsoc> rwhitby: did you get a second to field my 'build-essential' question?
Dec 31 04:51:02 <jacques3> I don't understand. this flashlight app just turns on the screen all white ?
Dec 31 04:51:11 <PreGame-> so is the flashlight not working at all for 3.5?
Dec 31 04:51:18 <PreGame-> no
Dec 31 04:51:22 <PreGame-> it uses the camera flash
Dec 31 04:51:39 <rwhitby> zsoc: do you mean for compiling on the pre, or do you mean what do you need on a Ubuntu box to compile optware?
Dec 31 04:51:57 <PreGame-> egaudet: the EPR doesn't install
Dec 31 04:51:59 <zsoc> rwhitby: sorry, yes I mean for compiling on the pre
Dec 31 04:52:03 <PreGame-> it just says "Downloading / Installing
Dec 31 04:52:35 <rwhitby> zsoc: I doubt you'll have enough space in /var for the toolchain
Dec 31 04:52:58 * zsoc scratches his head
Dec 31 04:53:14 <zsoc> rwhitby: its in a debian chroot
Dec 31 04:53:18 <zsoc> on /media/internal
Dec 31 04:53:35 <rwhitby> zsoc: then just apt-get build-essential in the debian chroot
Dec 31 04:53:44 <egaudet> PreGame-, how many patches did you have installed?
Dec 31 04:53:54 <zsoc> I need to compile against the native sdl library, and since I don't have anything else that runs in arm available to me, and I don't know how qemu works...
Dec 31 04:53:58 <egaudet> did you not get a prompt for running script for EPR?
Dec 31 04:54:04 <PreGame-> maybe like 5 or 6
Dec 31 04:54:10 <egaudet> ok/no/cancel confirmation prompt?
Dec 31 04:54:14 <zsoc> rwhitby: Oh, thank you. I actually didn't realize it was called that, i was using that as a reference point :p sorry, thanks.
Dec 31 04:54:27 <PreGame-> nope
Dec 31 04:54:34 <egaudet> what version of ipkgservice?
Dec 31 04:54:49 <PreGame-> 9.27 but it shows there is an update to the 9.27 version
Dec 31 04:55:17 <rwhitby> zsoc: sdl is in optware
Dec 31 04:55:22 <egaudet> you should be getting the confirmation prompt, don't know why you didn't
Dec 31 04:55:59 <zsoc> rwhitby: yes, but not palm's custom binary compiled opengl_es-included sdl library
Dec 31 04:56:09 <zsoc> rwhitby: and i can't rebuilt it because i'm missing about 35 headers :P
Dec 31 04:56:27 <PreGame-> it shows it is installed but never prompted me to approve it nor finished the downloading spinner
Dec 31 04:56:46 <destinal1> zsoc: we also won't be able to use some enhanced functionality potentially since we'll be missing headers
Dec 31 04:56:54 <rwhitby> zsoc: you could put that binary in the optware staging area and cross compile against it ..
Dec 31 04:57:08 * zsoc ponders
Dec 31 04:57:33 <jacques3> shouldn't the headers be in the patches?
Dec 31 04:57:37 <rwhitby> make a dummy optware package which just copies the files from the Pre into the staging area
Dec 31 04:57:54 <zsoc> rwhitby: that seems like a good idea, but for now I'd like to see if I can get a 'hello world' type sdl application to run. I'm actually curious how it will interact with Luna running and everything
Dec 31 04:57:54 <rwhitby> jacques3: do you know how to do OE with an external toolchain?
Dec 31 04:58:07 <zsoc> jacques3: it's LGPL, so palm isn't fond of releasing headers with their patches
Dec 31 04:58:17 <jacques3> rwhitby: no, I've never done that. :-\
Dec 31 04:58:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list.html
Dec 31 04:58:36 <rwhitby> zsoc: yeah, I always think in terms of doing things in publicly repeatable ways ..
Dec 31 04:59:02 <zsoc> rwhitby: this might not work at all tho without a mojo hook, it'll only take a moment to test
Dec 31 04:59:03 <jacques3> zsoc: oh I misunderstood - which headers are we missing?
Dec 31 04:59:07 <zsoc> otherwise, i agree with you
Dec 31 04:59:28 <zsoc> jacques3: what's necessary to recompile palm's derivative/port of sdl
Dec 31 05:00:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: if you're good with that post, I am going to tweet the link to it... (so you can retweet)
Dec 31 05:00:36 <destinal1> zsoc: I don't think it's specifically because it's LGPL, they just leave out headers a lot.
Dec 31 05:01:07 <zsoc> destinal: well with GPL stuff they comply with my requests pretty quickly
Dec 31 05:01:09 <destinal1> it took a long time to get cjson / mjson included in opensource.palm.com and to get the other headers from them we needed for libpurple-adapter
Dec 31 05:01:20 <rwhitby> dBsooner: already done
Dec 31 05:01:24 <dBsooner> NO
Dec 31 05:01:32 <dBsooner> you were supposed to let ME tweet it
Dec 31 05:01:33 <dBsooner> :(
Dec 31 05:01:38 <zsoc> fail
Dec 31 05:01:43 <oil> dbsooner: twitter whore
Dec 31 05:01:44 * dBsooner is the one who spent all the time on it
Dec 31 05:01:58 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I put via @dBsooner in it
Dec 31 05:01:59 <zsoc> take one for the team
Dec 31 05:02:26 <rwhitby> dBsooner: tweet about how much effort  you spent on it, with your donation link, and I'll retweet that ;-)
Dec 31 05:02:27 <Robi_> nice
Dec 31 05:02:28 <oil> s/twitter/credit/
Dec 31 05:02:28 <infobot> oil meant: dbsooner: credit whore
Dec 31 05:02:29 <zsoc> aaannnnddd my pre is stuck in usb mode, wtf
Dec 31 05:02:44 <oil> lol
Dec 31 05:02:48 <dBsooner> nah
Dec 31 05:03:04 <dBsooner> i just want more followers on twitter
Dec 31 05:03:11 <oil> ;p;
Dec 31 05:03:19 <oil> lol*
Dec 31 05:03:23 <Robi_> dBsooner: it's more influential if you're RTd
Dec 31 05:03:39 * gkatsev unfollows dBsooner on twitter
Dec 31 05:03:48 <dBsooner> Robi_: why do you think I wanted to tweet and have rwhitby retweeet?
Dec 31 05:03:53 * rwhitby doesn't yet fully comprehend the social norms of twitter
Dec 31 05:04:21 <gkatsev> dBsooner: retweet a retweet? thats rediculous.
Dec 31 05:04:23 <jacques3> nor do I
Dec 31 05:04:29 * oil creates twitter account so he can follow and then unfollow dbsooner
Dec 31 05:04:39 <oil> :D
Dec 31 05:04:54 <zsoc> xD
Dec 31 05:06:07 <Robi_> you can still do it
Dec 31 05:06:20 <Robi_> i hopped on ;]
Dec 31 05:06:41 <zsoc> 1mbs evdo is pretty nice
Dec 31 05:07:05 <Robi_> dBsooner: you on the road?
Dec 31 05:07:20 <zsoc> gkatsev: in that sentence, was rediculous a typo, or was it purposed humorful alliteration?
Dec 31 05:07:36 <dBsooner> im in El Paso
Dec 31 05:07:49 <dBsooner> got a football game to go to
Dec 31 05:07:50 <jacques3> dBsooner: sorry to hear that
Dec 31 05:07:52 <dBsooner> :)
Dec 31 05:08:03 <Robi_> what are you doing here?
Dec 31 05:08:09 <Robi_> junkie ;]
Dec 31 05:08:12 <gkatsev> zsoc: lol, lets go with the latter. :)
Dec 31 05:08:35 <jacques3> dBsooner: you are in the same state as me, and you're about 800 miles away
Dec 31 05:08:39 <zsoc> gkatsev: well, i was amused either way ;)
Dec 31 05:09:05 <Robi_> hmm i dont see the new precorder
Dec 31 05:09:19 <DrFunk> jacques3: has to be texas lol
Dec 31 05:09:34 <dBsooner> there.. PLEASE retweet it rwhitby.. PLEASE
Dec 31 05:09:36 <rwhitby> Robi_: where are you looking?
Dec 31 05:09:41 <dBsooner> (you can delete your previous tweet)..
Dec 31 05:09:43 <oil> lol
Dec 31 05:09:54 <Robi_> preware
Dec 31 05:10:06 <DrFunk> rwhitby: install didn't work for me
Dec 31 05:10:08 <Robi_> dBsooner: tisk tisk, ppl cant retweet that, it's too  long dude, gotta leave room
Dec 31 05:10:14 <jacques3> DrFunk: yep
Dec 31 05:10:15 <oil> lol
Dec 31 05:10:17 <dBsooner> k
Dec 31 05:10:18 <dBsooner> let me fix
Dec 31 05:10:35 <DrFunk> Robi_: its there just click more
Dec 31 05:10:40 <rwhitby> dBsooner: done
Dec 31 05:10:45 <DrFunk> on twitter
Dec 31 05:11:03 <Robi_> ugh i gotta remove that patch that opens the camera in landscape slider open, does it too many times unintentionally
Dec 31 05:11:33 <jjcarter> dBsooner: I just read your latest thread about the patches but felt I might as well ask it here, anyone else getting an error installing the "No Date" patch?
Dec 31 05:11:40 <zsoc> webos debian chroot is frighteningly fast for an embedded device
Dec 31 05:11:50 <DrFunk> rwhitby: I keep getting gstservice not running
Dec 31 05:12:05 <rwhitby> DrFunk: are you running 0.3.5?
Dec 31 05:12:07 <Robi_> and now the hide nascar ap is downliading/replacing forever
Dec 31 05:12:21 <dBsooner> there
Dec 31 05:12:28 <DrFunk> yes
Dec 31 05:12:30 <dBsooner> how's that tweet Robi_?
Dec 31 05:12:40 <Robi_> zsoc: did you look at your laundry hamper full of soiled underwear ?
Dec 31 05:12:48 <dBsooner> jjcarter: i get no errors installing any patches
Dec 31 05:12:57 <dBsooner> jjcarter: I just stated taht over and over in the thread
Dec 31 05:12:57 <Robi_> dBsooner: good, 1 char left on RT ;]
Dec 31 05:12:57 <zsoc> Robi_: ?
Dec 31 05:13:18 <jjcarter> dBsooner, I'm aware of that, that's why I mentioned it
Dec 31 05:13:20 <Robi_> zsoc: "frighteningly fast"
Dec 31 05:13:22 <dBsooner> well if rwhitby wouldn't make the bit.ly links so dang long
Dec 31 05:13:28 <zsoc> Robi_: is that a german thing?
Dec 31 05:13:45 <Robi_> no
Dec 31 05:13:56 <Robi_> you calling me german?
Dec 31 05:14:22 <zsoc> Robi_: sorry... dutch?
Dec 31 05:14:50 <Robi_> if I have to explain it... nm
Dec 31 05:15:09 <zsoc> ok then
Dec 31 05:15:21 <Robi_> anyone else get that?
Dec 31 05:15:57 * rwhitby didn't
Dec 31 05:16:23 <Robi_> so frightening, load up your underwear
Dec 31 05:16:59 <zsoc> Robi_: holland?
Dec 31 05:17:23 <dBsooner> im off to bed
Dec 31 05:17:26 <Robi_> poop your pants
Dec 31 05:17:32 <DrFunk> cya dBsooner
Dec 31 05:17:34 <dBsooner> i got a Sun Bowl to go to tomorrow
Dec 31 05:17:41 <dBsooner> I got the patches working I said I would.
Dec 31 05:17:51 <zsoc> dBsooner: good job
Dec 31 05:17:55 <DrFunk> not mine
Dec 31 05:18:05 <dBsooner> Not my problem. ;)
Dec 31 05:18:11 <Robi_> rwhitby: preware dind't know i had precorder installed
Dec 31 05:18:23 <Robi_> prolly didn't migrate
Dec 31 05:18:43 <DrFunk> lol @ dBsooner
Dec 31 05:18:53 <dBsooner> nite ya'll.. Boomer Sooner!
Dec 31 05:18:58 <rwhitby> Robi_: yeah, it wouldn't have migrated
Dec 31 05:19:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: i posted a link directly to the raw-blob of the xls spreadsheet in git.webos-internals.org
Dec 31 05:19:37 <dBsooner> I couldn't think of a better way..
Dec 31 05:20:00 <dBsooner> i figure not too many people have commit access to be able to overwrite it
Dec 31 05:20:04 <rwhitby> dBsooner: that's the best way
Dec 31 05:20:19 <rwhitby> even if they do, it's an SCM
Dec 31 05:20:24 <dBsooner> true
Dec 31 05:20:36 * dBsooner loves git checkout
Dec 31 05:20:43 <dBsooner> or git reset
Dec 31 05:20:57 <dBsooner> ho well.. ou plays in 14 hours.. must sleep
Dec 31 05:21:02 <dBsooner> gotta get up early and tailgate
Dec 31 05:21:07 <dBsooner> night!
Dec 31 05:21:09 <jjcarter> can anybody confirm that the "No Date" and "Brightness in Device Menu" patches conflict and can't both be installed?
Dec 31 05:22:32 <Robi_> i have brightness but added date
Dec 31 05:23:09 <jjcarter> hmm... I had brightness installed, but got an error installing the no date
Dec 31 05:23:21 <Robi_> really dislike the beep on patch install nitofication
Dec 31 05:23:23 <jjcarter> but after removing brightness, no date installed w/ non problem
Dec 31 05:23:35 <Robi_> try again w/ brightness
Dec 31 05:24:18 <Decimate> Don't you guys all love this time where a new update has just come out, and we get to hear all the complaints of what isn't on it! :)
Dec 31 05:24:26 <PreGame-> egaudet: i get a wget ipkg.preware.org bad response trying to dl EPR
Dec 31 05:24:32 <Abyssul> decimate: Pretty much how the game goes
Dec 31 05:24:41 <Decimate> no video, no gpu, not speedy enough, battery life isn't good enough, BOOO HOOOO
Dec 31 05:25:03 <PreGame-> ok i got it
Dec 31 05:25:04 <zsoc> jjcarter: egaudet was looking for a case where a set of patches only work when installed in a certain order
Dec 31 05:25:06 <jjcarter> Robi_, same error. Failure during post-install script
Dec 31 05:25:07 <PreGame-> my wifi was messed up
Dec 31 05:25:23 <Abyssul> I'm just glad that WebOS is progressing. I'd like these people to try and go back to the 1.0 days...
Dec 31 05:25:40 <jjcarter> zsoc, well I thought I found one but Robi_ isn't having the same issue
Dec 31 05:25:43 <egaudet> PreGame-, does it work now?
Dec 31 05:25:48 <zsoc> I'm trying to figure out how they fit the update into 13mb
Dec 31 05:25:50 <PreGame-> yep :)
Dec 31 05:25:56 <egaudet> nice
Dec 31 05:26:03 <PreGame-> i completely removed preware and package manager and reinstalled them
Dec 31 05:26:19 <PreGame-> the phone is rebooting now
Dec 31 05:26:25 <Decimate> zsoc: app catalog is all mostly over the air...
Dec 31 05:26:29 <Decimate> well
Dec 31 05:26:30 <dBsooner> htt
Dec 31 05:26:31 <Decimate> not in the update
Dec 31 05:26:32 <dBsooner> grrr(
Dec 31 05:26:37 <Decimate> in the cloud is what i mean! :)
Dec 31 05:26:39 <dBsooner> Damn Elryon makin me stay up late
Dec 31 05:26:48 <dBsooner> he JUST submitted a fix for SMS Tone Per Contact
Dec 31 05:26:56 <dBsooner> I MUST get that in the feed before bed
Dec 31 05:27:17 <zsoc> Decimate: i was referring to the kernel update and the sdl/egl/opengles library
Dec 31 05:28:15 <PreGame-> dBsooner: what did you change in your version of the show download count and the one i did?
Dec 31 05:28:42 <dBsooner> PreGame: Files and line #'s
Dec 31 05:28:49 <dBsooner> otherwise it's your concept
Dec 31 05:28:59 <dBsooner> i only add my name because I touched it and made it apply clean
Dec 31 05:29:08 <Robi_> jjcarter: normally the date is not present right? only the time, so whats the no date patch?
Dec 31 05:29:33 <jjcarter> Robi_, it should take the date out of the device menu
Dec 31 05:29:47 <jjcarter> not the top bar
Dec 31 05:30:14 <Robi_> k let me find it and install it
Dec 31 05:30:19 <Abyssul> dbSooner, get that in! I need that patch
Dec 31 05:31:36 <zsoc> sometimes i wish i knew how linux worked
Dec 31 05:31:39 <zsoc> at all
Dec 31 05:32:06 <Robi_> just read ;]
Dec 31 05:32:19 <Robi_> jjcarter: I get the same error
Dec 31 05:32:22 <zsoc> let me rephrase that
Dec 31 05:32:27 <Robi_> dBsooner: another to fix
Dec 31 05:32:34 <dBsooner> nope
Dec 31 05:32:36 <zsoc> sometimes i wish i knew how gcc and ldd worked
Dec 31 05:32:41 <dBsooner> I don't make patches compatible with each other
Dec 31 05:32:50 <dBsooner> that's for the maintainers
Dec 31 05:32:51 <Robi_> jjcarter: brightness patch must modify something nodate cehcks for before applying.
Dec 31 05:33:07 <dBsooner> You have a problem with one not being compat with another, contact the maintainer.
Dec 31 05:33:07 <jjcarter> Robi_, that's what I was thinking
Dec 31 05:33:13 <Robi_> jjcarter: then there you go, email zhzyg
Dec 31 05:33:39 <Robi_> emailtodonald@gmail
Dec 31 05:33:46 <jjcarter> Robi_, thanks for confirming, I just didn't want to email him and it be user error
Dec 31 05:34:48 <Robi_> np I just sent him a note as well
Dec 31 05:36:51 <jjcarter> great, thanks
Dec 31 05:39:02 <Abyssul> dBsooner, does the new SMS contact patch work?
Dec 31 05:39:29 <Robi_> http://smsmyfile.com/8gx for a Sonar.m4a ring tone from the ipod touch
Dec 31 05:39:44 <dBsooner> Abyssul: he claims it does
Dec 31 05:39:47 <dBsooner> it applies
Dec 31 05:39:55 <dBsooner> it's been pushed
Dec 31 05:40:02 <dBsooner> should build during next autobuild run
Dec 31 05:41:11 <rwhitby> which is now ;-)
Dec 31 05:42:35 * dBsooner loves my autobuilder
Dec 31 05:42:48 <dBsooner> it goes like "rwhitby, doit! (please)"
Dec 31 05:43:00 <dBsooner> rwhitby: built?
Dec 31 05:43:27 <Abyssul> I keep getting a "network is unreachable connect" error from WebOSQI.
Dec 31 05:43:28 <Abyssul> hmmm
Dec 31 05:43:48 <egaudet> update all 101 patches might rival the time an OTA install takes :P
Dec 31 05:44:08 <dBsooner> Good News!
Dec 31 05:44:10 <Robi_> auop
Dec 31 05:44:19 <dBsooner> There is a WOSQI bash/Preware praise in my thread.. lol
Dec 31 05:44:30 <Abyssul> link
Dec 31 05:44:38 <dBsooner> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list.html#post2118212
Dec 31 05:44:56 <Robi_> ya also nano lighty openssh ...
Dec 31 05:45:42 * dBsooner likes seeing OPENVPN in the repo..
Dec 31 05:45:46 <dBsooner> who's leadin that project?
Dec 31 05:46:51 <zsoc> anyone familiar with ldd?
Dec 31 05:47:04 <Robi_> a bit
Dec 31 05:47:18 <Abyssul> Whatever happened to that WebOS Backup Utility?
Dec 31 05:47:28 <Robi_> zsoc: mainly path related issues
Dec 31 05:49:03 <egaudet> it takes like 3 hours for ONE test run of aupt/update all.  There's gotta be a better way
Dec 31 05:49:56 <zsoc> Robi_: "gcc -o test1 test.cpp -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread"
Dec 31 05:50:00 <Robi_> egaudet: can OTA be simulated?
Dec 31 05:50:43 <DrFunk> well I'm off happy new year all
Dec 31 05:50:45 <Robi_> zsoc: what is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to?
Dec 31 05:50:56 <zsoc> Robi_: "error: SDL.h: No such file or directory", SDL.h is compiled in libSDL.so, which is in /usr/lib/
Dec 31 05:51:49 <zsoc> Robi_: er, it doesn't seem set to anything
Dec 31 05:52:41 <Robi_> does -lSDL really work? ;]
Dec 31 05:52:41 <egaudet> I think I"m just going to grab a /usr from 1.3.1 doctor and 1.3.5 doctor and throw them on my pre, and switch between them to mimic OTA
Dec 31 05:53:12 <Robi_> zsoc: ya might not need be set since it's not the program running looking for it, you're compiling
Dec 31 05:53:23 <egaudet> only thing that won't keep my created files so it's nto complete test
Dec 31 05:53:33 <zsoc> Robi_: this is what everyone on the planet who uses sdl uses, so i'm not sure what parts of that command actually refer to... for instance the library i'm using is in /usr/lib but there are references to /usr/include/SDL
Dec 31 05:53:35 <Robi_> egaudet: :P
Dec 31 05:54:02 <Robi_> zsoc: then you must symlink to be sure
Dec 31 05:54:06 <rwhitby> dBsooner: you going to tweet 160 out of 160?
Dec 31 05:54:26 <zsoc> Robi_: the whole folder? like /usr/lib to /usr/include ?
Dec 31 05:54:41 <Robi_> rwhitby: gotta leave 12-15 for RT
Dec 31 05:54:45 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I ported openvpn
Dec 31 05:54:47 <dBsooner> yep
Dec 31 05:54:49 <dBsooner> tweeted
Dec 31 05:55:04 <Robi_> bah comcast dropped me
Dec 31 05:55:15 <Robi_> rwhitby: nm, out of context ;]
Dec 31 05:55:18 <dBsooner> http://twitter.com/dBsooner
Dec 31 05:55:43 <dBsooner> now I am off to bed
Dec 31 05:56:10 <Robi_> 'nite dBsooner
Dec 31 05:56:32 <dBsooner> thanks rod..
Dec 31 05:57:11 <zsoc> symlink doesn't seem to work either
Dec 31 05:58:33 <Robi_> you go from /usr/lib to /usr/include/..?
Dec 31 05:58:50 <Robi_> woop its wooting time, http://woot.com
Dec 31 05:59:23 <zsoc> Robi_: ln -s /usr/lib /usr/include
Dec 31 05:59:27 <zsoc> unless i'm missing a / or something
Dec 31 05:59:44 <Robi_> nono
Dec 31 05:59:53 <Robi_> only symlink specifics
Dec 31 05:59:54 <egaudet> wtf is a woot
Dec 31 06:00:07 <Robi_> http://wooters.us
Dec 31 06:00:14 <zsoc> oh i see what i did
Dec 31 06:00:27 <zsoc> i just linked /usr/lib to /usr/include/lib lol
Dec 31 06:00:32 <Robi_> a woot is a new daily sale item
Dec 31 06:00:44 <Robi_> o o someone is choking a puppy, hhaha
Dec 31 06:00:54 <Robi_> zsoc: ya no good :P
Dec 31 06:01:03 <Robi_> only link SDL stuff for example
Dec 31 06:01:04 <zsoc> Robi_: well now i ln -s /usr/lib/libSDL.so /usr/include/libSDL.so
Dec 31 06:01:07 <zsoc> Robi_: that's right?
Dec 31 06:01:13 <Robi_> yees
Dec 31 06:01:30 <Robi_> unless the dst src is swapped
Dec 31 06:01:51 <Robi_> i always look it up
Dec 31 06:02:20 <Robi_> 23. Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor with HDMI
Dec 31 06:02:20 <Robi_> $139.99
Dec 31 06:02:21 <jauderho_> can someone paste their .git/config for the webos-1.3.5  branch?
Dec 31 06:02:21 <Robi_> + $5 shipping
Dec 31 06:02:27 <Robi_> looks like an HP monitor
Dec 31 06:02:33 <acydlord> i need to start remembering to run EPR before updating the phone
Dec 31 06:02:33 <Robi_> good price
Dec 31 06:02:48 <egaudet> jauderho, gitorious modifications?
Dec 31 06:03:32 <gkatsev> Robi_: that looks great. but i have a 24"... meh... i guess my second monitor could be slightly smaller...
Dec 31 06:03:36 <jauderho_> egaudet: I messed up my repo and accidentally deleted the dir
Dec 31 06:03:45 <egaudet> the .git dir?
Dec 31 06:03:52 <Zorin> Robi_: Probably TN garbage... but at that price even I might overlook that :)
Dec 31 06:04:01 <jauderho_> trying to recreate my .git/config to be able to push to the webos-1.3.5 branch
Dec 31 06:04:11 * zsoc sighs
Dec 31 06:04:15 <zsoc> why can't i get this
Dec 31 06:04:26 <freakout> because you don't deserve it, zsoc
Dec 31 06:04:38 <zsoc> freakout: i am literally going to say mean things to you
Dec 31 06:04:52 <freakout> heh
Dec 31 06:05:08 <egaudet> jauderho, git checkout -b webos-1.3.5 origin/webos-1.3.5
Dec 31 06:05:09 <freakout> I am in for the most BORING New Year's Eve ever
Dec 31 06:05:18 <zsoc> freakout: spend it here
Dec 31 06:05:25 <zsoc> maybe palm's libs are bogus...
Dec 31 06:05:25 <freakout> like I said :p
Dec 31 06:05:28 <acydlord> i spent last newyears in irc
Dec 31 06:05:30 <egaudet> that will create the branch locally and set it up to track from the repo's branch (which puts it in .git/config for ya)
Dec 31 06:06:50 <jauderho_> oops
Dec 31 06:06:57 <jauderho_> I must have done something wrong
Dec 31 06:07:56 <jauderho_> does this look right?
Dec 31 06:07:56 <jauderho_> [branch "webos-1.3.5"]
Dec 31 06:07:57 <jauderho_>         remote = origin
Dec 31 06:07:57 <jauderho_>         merge = refs/remotes/origin/webos-1.3.5
Dec 31 06:09:56 <Robi_> wow
Dec 31 06:10:04 <Robi_> i just lost minutes
Dec 31 06:10:07 <egaudet> yea well mine has merge = refs/heads/webos-1.3.5
Dec 31 06:10:22 <egaudet> but yea that looks right
Dec 31 06:10:33 <Robi_> gkatsev: i dont like the aspect ratio of the 23" too squished
Dec 31 06:10:42 <Robi_> I also have a pair of 24"s
Dec 31 06:11:27 <Robi_> zsoc: lets not assume that SDL.h is compiled in the .so
Dec 31 06:11:29 <gkatsev> Robi_: i bought it... >.<
Dec 31 06:11:41 <Robi_> gkatsev: easy fork on craigslist ;]
Dec 31 06:11:50 <Robi_> $40
Dec 31 06:12:02 <zsoc> Robi_: er.. why in the world wouldn't it be. it's the only header the library really had, at least the only 100% necessary one
Dec 31 06:12:22 <Robi_> zsoc: i dunno, because it can't find it?
Dec 31 06:12:38 <Robi_> shiet, make one
Dec 31 06:12:40 <zsoc> hmm
Dec 31 06:12:43 <Robi_> touch SDL.h ;]
Dec 31 06:13:15 <zsoc> well crap on me
Dec 31 06:13:18 <Robi_> perhaps there's some header package you still need that has the .h alone
Dec 31 06:13:19 <zsoc> freakout: crap on me
Dec 31 06:13:36 <zsoc> no, palm just compiled a bogus version you can't compile against
Dec 31 06:13:44 * zsoc scratches his head
Dec 31 06:13:45 * freakout wonders if he wandered into a scheizer channel by accident...
Dec 31 06:13:58 <jauderho_> egaudet: thanks
Dec 31 06:14:00 <Robi_> see
Dec 31 06:14:11 <Robi_> freakout: yep, time to go
Dec 31 06:17:17 <Robi_> zsoc: all set now?
Dec 31 06:17:55 <zsoc> Robi_: all set is a funny way of putting it. i'm going to grab a "standard" set of the same version libs and hope this compiles ok, otherwise i'm going to complain up and down to palm till they release the headers
Dec 31 06:18:09 <Robi_> they're oss ;]
Dec 31 06:18:20 <zsoc> heh
Dec 31 06:18:22 <Robi_> just plop a .h in there and make it work
Dec 31 06:18:34 <Robi_> or include it in your src
Dec 31 06:18:37 <Robi_> dont mod system
Dec 31 06:18:59 <Robi_> anyhow i think it's time for an xbox break
Dec 31 06:19:07 <zsoc> Robi_: no no, i mean it's actually missing
Dec 31 06:19:09 <zsoc> not just in name
Dec 31 06:19:18 <Robi_> i know
Dec 31 06:19:36 <zsoc> oh i see. ok then.
Dec 31 06:19:36 <Robi_> it's an embedded os, it will have things stripped out
Dec 31 06:19:41 <zsoc> right
Dec 31 06:20:06 * Robi_ out 
Dec 31 06:21:04 <gschrein> hi
Dec 31 06:21:15 <zsoc> ih
Dec 31 06:22:23 <seigex> hmm
Dec 31 06:22:32 <seigex> guess ctrl-l doesn't refresh the screen in ircII anymore
Dec 31 06:27:43 <egaudet> rwhitby, can i get EPR 2.0.0 cleaned and re-built to test feed
Dec 31 06:31:17 <zsoc> HOLY
Dec 31 06:31:18 <zsoc> MOTHER
Dec 31 06:31:22 <zsoc> OF
Dec 31 06:31:28 <zsoc> EVERYTHING GOOD AND WONDERFUL
Dec 31 06:31:42 <zsoc> TINY MONKEYS CLIMBING GIANT BANANAS
Dec 31 06:31:50 <zsoc> SDL APPS WORK OVER LUNA
Dec 31 06:32:03 <zsoc> who wants to test this binary for me?
Dec 31 06:32:21 <zsoc> holy crap this is amazing
Dec 31 06:32:49 <oil> lol
Dec 31 06:32:50 <rick_home> sdl apps work over luna?
Dec 31 06:32:54 <rick_home> really?
Dec 31 06:32:59 <rick_home> that's so freaking cool!!!!
Dec 31 06:34:55 <oil> its in a card?
Dec 31 06:35:08 <zsoc> oil: no, just sits on top of luna
Dec 31 06:35:12 <zsoc> and luna is ok with it
Dec 31 06:35:15 <oil> ;(
Dec 31 06:35:26 <zsoc> oil: it works in cards, i just haven't cracked the mojo yet
Dec 31 06:35:45 <zsoc> oil: 135 image just came out today, give me a little while man :P
Dec 31 06:35:46 <zsoc> goodness lol
Dec 31 06:35:52 <oil> !
Dec 31 06:36:03 <zsoc> i'm going to go compile doom
Dec 31 06:36:35 * oil crosses arms, continuously taps foot, an looks impatiently at zsoc
Dec 31 06:37:05 <zsoc> oil: ok so get this
Dec 31 06:37:10 <zsoc> oil: i just compiled a version that works in a card :D
Dec 31 06:37:13 <zsoc> eat that
Dec 31 06:37:17 <oil> there we go
Dec 31 06:37:22 <zsoc> i'm not even kidding
Dec 31 06:37:28 <zsoc> you gave me an idea when you demanded that
Dec 31 06:37:30 <oil> in cards > taking over screen
Dec 31 06:40:31 <oil> so does it take inputs, etc?
Dec 31 06:41:43 <zsoc> oil: that's what i'm trying to figure out now
Dec 31 06:41:45 <zsoc> mapping might be tricky
Dec 31 06:41:54 <rick_home> sdl CLAIMS to take inputs.
Dec 31 06:42:31 <oil> and touchscreen, obviously
Dec 31 06:43:19 <zsoc> and palm's patches take care of both of those things
Dec 31 06:44:04 <egaudet> back to doctor, rwhitby can you rebuild test patches feed too when you get a chance.  I'll be sleeping
Dec 31 06:46:06 <egaudet> oil, aside from the dependencies the only other thing preware needs for update all to be perfect is when the install of the remove/install update fails, the pacakge still shows in the list as isntalled until you refresh feeds or tap remove it
Dec 31 06:47:10 <oil> and its actually not there?
Dec 31 06:47:15 <egaudet> right
Dec 31 06:47:19 <egaudet> because the remove succeeded
Dec 31 06:47:36 <oil> does the service have a specific status to tell preware its only been removed?
Dec 31 06:47:57 <egaudet> dunno, but if that's what preware needs we'll have to add it
Dec 31 06:48:00 <egaudet> rwhitby, ^^
Dec 31 06:48:01 <oil> yeah
Dec 31 06:48:10 <oil> it had no way to know if it failed on remove or reinstall
Dec 31 06:48:23 <oil> if it failed on remove, its obviously still installed
Dec 31 06:48:31 <oil> and if it fails on reinstall its actually removed
Dec 31 06:48:32 <egaudet> yea
Dec 31 06:48:41 <rwhitby> egaudet: rebuilding now
Dec 31 06:48:51 <egaudet> so 3 return codes are needed
Dec 31 06:49:12 <rick_home> tri state logic?  Run awa Run Away...
Dec 31 06:49:12 <jjcarter> egaudet, I think I may have that problem now actually. Preware says I have a patch installed but I actually dont, and getting an error trying to remove it.
Dec 31 06:49:20 <rwhitby> egaudet: which branch for EPR 2.0.0 ?
Dec 31 06:49:31 <oil> jjcarter: just update feeds
Dec 31 06:49:39 <egaudet> alright, I doubt I'll be around much tomorrow evening to test it but I think I may be really close to working aupt.  rwhitby major-upgrade branch
Dec 31 06:50:19 <egaudet> jjcarter, no completely different issue we were talking about stuff in alpha testing.
Dec 31 06:50:28 <jjcarter> oh, sry
Dec 31 06:50:51 <egaudet> in your case you need to manually remove the ipkg data
Dec 31 06:50:51 <egaudet> if you are sure the patch is really nto applied
Dec 31 06:50:55 <oil> .9.13 is released isn't it?
Dec 31 06:51:18 <oil> (it's calling the replace code)
Dec 31 06:51:34 <egaudet> oil no it's not released
Dec 31 06:51:43 <oil> oh, i thought it was
Dec 31 06:52:26 <egaudet> nope but it's in screenshots because milominder was using it for his tutorial :/
Dec 31 06:52:27 <jjcarter> oil, I'm still having the same issue, and issuing "ipkg -o /var remove [patch]" removes nothing
Dec 31 06:53:29 <jjcarter> I was trying to install the patch but it appear preware was hanging during the installation, so I closed the card
Dec 31 06:53:44 <jjcarter> after reopening preware it said the patch was installed
Dec 31 06:54:06 <egaudet> jjcarter, not var anymore
Dec 31 06:54:10 <egaudet> not for 1.3.5
Dec 31 06:54:23 <egaudet> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove it
Dec 31 06:55:09 <rwhitby> egaudet: epr 2.0.0 in testing feed
Dec 31 06:55:40 <rwhitby> now, oil, egaudet, what does ipkgservice need?
Dec 31 06:57:45 <jjcarter> egaudet, thanks that fixed it
Dec 31 06:57:51 <egaudet> on the update function for patches, it does remove/install.  it needs to return preware whether it succeeded, failed on remove or failed on install
Dec 31 06:57:56 <egaudet> rather than just succeed/fail
Dec 31 06:58:30 <egaudet> also I'm not sure who handles the dependencies
Dec 31 06:58:31 <egaudet> but
Dec 31 06:59:35 <egaudet> if i have a patch installed that depends on gdial app let's say, then OTA but gdial app doesn't come along, then I go to update all, the patch fails to install with green ipkg message about can't satisfy dependency because I had the feed off
Dec 31 06:59:54 <rwhitby> egaudet: preware knows what stages have completed successfully before ipkgservice returns failed
Dec 31 07:00:12 <egaudet> rwhitby, oil said it's one stage for the update ?
Dec 31 07:00:36 <egaudet> (and in another note I can't doctor my phone, keeps telling me can't reset device go to palm sujpport"
Dec 31 07:00:55 <zsoc> egaudet: you reached the limit
Dec 31 07:06:45 <egaudet> alright well it looks like the doctor is taking now, good night
Dec 31 07:07:14 <rwhitby> egaudet: looking to see what ipkgservice does now
Dec 31 07:08:45 <rwhitby> there is a 'remove' stage or 'failed' stage, and then there is an 'install' stage or 'failed' stage.
Dec 31 07:09:15 <rwhitby> so you see 'failed', or 'remove','failed' or 'remove', 'install', 'completed'
Dec 31 07:09:31 <rwhitby> (plus prerm and postinst and confirm stages intermingled in there too)
Dec 31 07:11:16 <zsoc> hey look doom
Dec 31 07:11:17 <zsoc> on my pre
Dec 31 07:11:19 <zsoc> in a card
Dec 31 07:12:04 <zsoc> hmm... well i can shoot, that's a start
Dec 31 07:12:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: so, are we doing to do this properly and get it in Preware before the youtube goes up?
Dec 31 07:13:10 <zsoc> and i can move to the right....
Dec 31 07:13:16 <zsoc> crap i keep forgetting this place is logged
Dec 31 07:13:20 <jacques3> doom, bah. /me wants quake.
Dec 31 07:13:39 <zsoc> rwhitby: er, the code is opensource, but the WAD (sprites and textures) i think is some odd shareware
Dec 31 07:13:46 <jacques3> and it has to be multiplayer
Dec 31 07:14:05 <jacques3> and have 3d sound
Dec 31 07:14:09 <zsoc> jacques3: webos should support that
Dec 31 07:14:10 <rwhitby> zsoc: so you install the ipkg, and then have to put a .wad file somewhere for it to work?
Dec 31 07:14:13 <zsoc> sdl-net
Dec 31 07:14:19 <zsoc> rwhitby: er, yes
Dec 31 07:14:32 <zsoc> rwhitby: well, you have to be in the same 'folder' as the wad file when you run the executable
Dec 31 07:14:38 <zsoc> i'd have to wrap that into an app
Dec 31 07:14:43 <rwhitby> there's no legit .wad files available?
Dec 31 07:14:44 <jacques3> rwhitby: yeah. the demo .wad is free to download, but I don't think it's redistributable
Dec 31 07:14:55 <rwhitby> jacques3: so the postinst could download it?
Dec 31 07:15:00 <zsoc> yeah
Dec 31 07:15:06 <zsoc> but i can still only shoot and move to the right :P
Dec 31 07:15:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: right, but we can package in parallel
Dec 31 07:15:21 <jacques3> and apparently there are truly free .wads made by fans, but I have no experience with those
Dec 31 07:15:50 <zsoc> sound works great too
Dec 31 07:15:53 <egaudet> rwhitby, before I go to bed, what do you mean by "stage"
Dec 31 07:16:07 <jacques3> zsoc: it's playing out the back speaker?
Dec 31 07:16:16 <zsoc> lol wait i can press start too now
Dec 31 07:16:21 <rwhitby> egaudet: when preware subscribes to the install or remove method, it get's back messages with 'stage':"foo" in them
Dec 31 07:16:22 <zsoc> jacques3: ya
Dec 31 07:16:34 <rwhitby> egaudet: that's what causes the sections in the IPKG Log
Dec 31 07:16:46 <jacques3> zsoc: landscape orientation? controlled by touch? or keyboard?
Dec 31 07:16:59 <jacques3> what's the FPS ?  :-D
Dec 31 07:17:00 <egaudet> rwhitby, oh, so when it calls "update" it is still subscribed to install/remove?
Dec 31 07:17:02 * rwhitby wonders if freakout is around for the scoop
Dec 31 07:17:18 * freakout notices the flashing xchat icon...
Dec 31 07:17:31 <zsoc> oh crap, all the keys actually are recognized by letter too, hmmmm
Dec 31 07:17:34 <jacques3> oh I can't believe I'm saying this, but ... oh never mind
Dec 31 07:17:44 <freakout> wad files?
Dec 31 07:17:47 <freakout> doom port? :)
Dec 31 07:17:54 <zsoc> freakout: stop being around, nothing works yet
Dec 31 07:17:59 <zsoc> freakout: as far as you know i'm lying ;)
Dec 31 07:18:12 <freakout> well, you're freaking pathological zsoc
Dec 31 07:18:22 <jacques3> what I really need to know is, can you jump?
Dec 31 07:19:13 <freakout> Jump??
Dec 31 07:19:16 <freakout> In Doom?
Dec 31 07:19:26 <zsoc> that was the joke i believe
Dec 31 07:19:36 <rwhitby> egaudet: the 'replace' method gives back subscription messages just like install and remove
Dec 31 07:19:42 <jacques3> can you use the pinch maneuver to zoom in for headshots?
Dec 31 07:19:52 <freakout> zsoc: what is this thing "joke" of which you speak....
Dec 31 07:19:55 <jacques3> yes, that was a trick question :-\
Dec 31 07:19:59 <freakout> infobot, joke?
Dec 31 07:20:01 <infobot> What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan!
Dec 31 07:20:06 <egaudet> ok, so oil ^^ there's your answer.
Dec 31 07:20:13 <egaudet> good night, update all will work early 2010!
Dec 31 07:20:30 <freakout> yay
Dec 31 07:20:40 <steveapos> nice
Dec 31 07:20:47 <jacques3> wow I can't believe it's going to be 2010 by this time tomorrow
Dec 31 07:20:53 <zsoc> crazy indeed
Dec 31 07:20:57 <zsoc> gotta dance
Dec 31 07:21:18 <egaudet> only 2 years left
Dec 31 07:21:31 <rwhitby> 6h10m here
Dec 31 07:21:42 <freakout> egaudet: lol
Dec 31 07:21:54 <freakout> 2 years left till John Cusack saves the world?
Dec 31 07:22:00 <freakout> ....oh wait, he didn't
Dec 31 07:22:11 <jacques3> I read that now they think it's 2200 not 2012
Dec 31 07:22:11 <egaudet> lol
Dec 31 07:22:31 <egaudet> mayans know everyhing
Dec 31 07:22:37 <jacques3> they could be just as wrong and it could be 2010
Dec 31 07:23:00 <zsoc> I might want to consider porting a more _functional_ game
Dec 31 07:23:03 <bhern> it's really 2011. they were 0 based
Dec 31 07:23:05 <jacques3> I guess if rwhitby goes offline in about 6 hrs we'll know
Dec 31 07:23:16 <jacques3> lol
Dec 31 07:23:33 <jacques3> as all good numbering schemes are
Dec 31 07:24:21 <jacques3> zsoc: can I pair up by wii controller and kill monsters in doom yet?
Dec 31 07:24:30 <steveapos> freaking battery percentage is driving me nuts
Dec 31 07:25:08 <steveapos> still can't figure out why it vanishes at 100%
Dec 31 07:25:13 <jacques3> I'm refreshing the feeds but I don't see doom yet
Dec 31 07:25:46 <jacques3> steveapos: how much stuff do you have in your top bar? maybe it's running out of room
Dec 31 07:26:10 <steveapos> that's what I thought too but I have stock icons up top and it still does it
Dec 31 07:26:12 <jacques3> mine's readint 100% right now
Dec 31 07:26:40 <steveapos> if it's charging and I unplug it 100% flashes for a second and just goes poof
Dec 31 07:27:59 <steveapos> shouldn't annoy me as much as it does, but it does lol
Dec 31 07:29:16 <zsoc> aaannnd crashed my phone
Dec 31 07:30:23 <jacques3> zsoc: interesting :-|
Dec 31 07:31:09 <zsoc> actually just louna
Dec 31 07:31:11 <zsoc> *luna
Dec 31 07:32:21 <jacques3> oh, not nearly as bad
Dec 31 07:32:35 <jacques3> I was afraid it had somehow locked up the GPU
Dec 31 07:32:42 <zsoc> nah, smooth as can be
Dec 31 07:33:18 <jacques3> zsoc: can you get a FPS value for doom?
Dec 31 07:33:28 <zsoc> 11tymillion
Dec 31 07:34:10 <rwhitby> is that all?
Dec 31 07:35:49 <zsoc> yeah
Dec 31 07:36:58 <jacques3> weather report says there's supposed to be dense fog here, but I looked outside and I didn't see anything
Dec 31 07:37:59 <zsoc> why do people not put licensing on _anything_
Dec 31 07:38:12 <zsoc> it's mirrored on sourceforge, don't they force including licensing?
Dec 31 07:38:33 <jacques3> I love the ones that say "Freeware"
Dec 31 07:38:45 <jacques3> what, exactly, does that mean?
Dec 31 07:40:10 <zsoc> it's free to do nothing with it
Dec 31 07:40:11 <zsoc> heh
Dec 31 07:42:21 <zsoc> ha, the readme file is like "so some people made this game... and their company doesn't exist any more..and that's it"
Dec 31 07:42:21 <rwhitby> zsoc: sourceforge projects have a licensing tag for each project
Dec 31 07:42:48 <zsoc> rwhitby: oh, public domain
Dec 31 07:46:31 <destinal> so it actually works, zsoc?
Dec 31 07:46:42 <zsoc> destinal: oh, btw it works
Dec 31 07:46:52 <zsoc> keymapping is _too_ good, which makes it suck
Dec 31 07:47:08 <destinal> wha?
Dec 31 07:47:14 <zsoc> destinal: it maps everything literally
Dec 31 07:47:22 <zsoc> and the pre is missing things... like arrows
Dec 31 07:47:55 <zsoc> i'm going to run some opengl demos
Dec 31 07:48:06 <destinal> yeah, well, sometimes porting may actually be needed :)
Dec 31 07:48:23 <zsoc> omg, you mean i need to PORT this
Dec 31 07:48:25 <zsoc> GOSH
Dec 31 07:48:30 <destinal> this is pretty awesome though it seems
Dec 31 07:48:49 <zsoc> nah, doom is cool and all, but it doesn't exactly use a _mouse_, i want to test something i can test touch screen functionality with (besides "click")
Dec 31 07:48:54 <rwhitby> it doesn't exist until it is automatically buildable from a public repository ...
Dec 31 07:49:18 <zsoc> a concept with no proof, i'm a good liar :D
Dec 31 07:49:38 <rwhitby> it would be a good new years eve joke.
Dec 31 07:49:48 <jacques_pre> wow, downloading a 133MiB file got me pre pretty warm
Dec 31 07:50:17 <zsoc> jacques3: my pre is plugged into the usb and lost 25% battery from randomly compiling things
Dec 31 07:51:12 <jacques_pre> zsoc: so you built in a chroot on the pre? cool
Dec 31 07:51:18 <destinal> zsoc: you said you had a binary in need of testing?
Dec 31 07:51:45 <zsoc> jacques3: that's not new, search debian on webos-internals wiki
Dec 31 07:51:51 <zsoc> destinal: 1 sec
Dec 31 07:52:13 <zsoc> destinal: i can send you the non-working doom if you want to file a gun over and over and move to the right
Dec 31 07:52:18 <zsoc> s/file/fire
Dec 31 07:52:27 <destinal> lol
Dec 31 07:53:04 <destinal> it's too late anyway,I have to sleep,work tomorrow
Dec 31 07:53:06 <zsoc> what was the first fps with mouse controls?
Dec 31 07:53:10 <zsoc> destinal: k mate, i'll be around
Dec 31 07:53:16 <zsoc> hexon? quake?
Dec 31 07:53:28 <destinal> quake I think
Dec 31 07:54:03 <rwhitby> so, do we need a native feed that builds on a debian chroot on a Pre?
Dec 31 07:54:24 <rwhitby> jacques_pre: get ka6sox to wire one up into cheli?
Dec 31 07:54:33 <rwhitby> run an autobuilder on it ...
Dec 31 07:54:41 <destinal> of course there's other things besides fps's out there, zsoc :)
Dec 31 07:54:42 <jacques3> I dunno, I think with a little work, this should be x-compilable
Dec 31 07:54:51 <rwhitby> (like we used to have to do with apache for the slug)
Dec 31 07:55:26 <jacques3> yeah that was cool. and before that, in the handhelds.org project, we had ipaq handhelds setup like tht
Dec 31 07:55:47 <zsoc> bah
Dec 31 07:55:57 <zsoc> rwhitby: why? you dont need a chroot to run the stuff
Dec 31 07:56:02 <zsoc> rwhitby: in fact it doesn't work in the chroot
Dec 31 07:56:25 <zsoc> ooo descent..
Dec 31 07:56:35 <rwhitby> zsoc: the chroot is to do the autobuilding for the preware feed
Dec 31 07:56:54 <jacques3> amazingly, descent is still being actively developed
Dec 31 07:57:03 <zsoc> oh
Dec 31 07:57:04 <zsoc> hm
Dec 31 07:57:42 <jacques3> http://happypenguin.org/list?search=descent
Dec 31 07:58:51 <destinal> zsoc: how many times did you say earlier you wouldn't believe it could run over luna?  :)
Dec 31 07:59:37 <zsoc> destinal: 35 i think
Dec 31 07:59:50 <jacques3> I guess webos just isn't telling luna about it?
Dec 31 08:00:23 <jacques3> tho I don't understand how luna doesn't corrupt the display by writing to it
Dec 31 08:00:32 <jacques3> while an sdl app is running
Dec 31 08:00:33 <zsoc> jacques3: no the hooks are kind of... automated. luna stuff it in a card when it sees the new surface open
Dec 31 08:00:48 <zsoc> s/stuff/stuffs/
Dec 31 08:00:49 <infobot> zsoc meant: jacques3: no the hooks are kind of... automated. luna stuffs it in a card when it sees the new surface open
Dec 31 08:01:08 <jacques3> ok good
Dec 31 08:02:08 <destinal> so we still need to embed somehow into apps,for  one
Dec 31 08:03:32 <zsoc> someone's gotta see this stuff
Dec 31 08:04:11 <destinal> service or plugin could work even though I expect palm has a more elegant method we don't know about
Dec 31 08:04:55 <zsoc> a service could do it in a second
Dec 31 08:05:03 <zsoc> i'm sure there's a mojo api for it
Dec 31 08:19:40 <destinal> I can confirm the new card thing, so zsoc isn't making this up. :)
Dec 31 08:20:16 <oil> thats good
Dec 31 08:20:17 <zsoc> destinal: shhhh :p
Dec 31 08:20:21 <oil> i had my doubts at first xD
Dec 31 08:20:22 * zsoc is a nut job
Dec 31 08:20:36 <zsoc> pre needs arrow keys :P
Dec 31 08:21:01 <oil> gesture+numbers seems to work pretty good for terminal :)
Dec 31 08:21:51 <destinal> we also .have more incentive for wiimote hacking now
Dec 31 08:23:16 <oil> wiimote to play games on pre?
Dec 31 08:24:05 <destinal> sure
Dec 31 08:24:20 <oil> while cool and geeky
Dec 31 08:24:24 <oil> not so good for mass appeal
Dec 31 08:27:49 <destinal> it's perfect along with a touchstone as a stand, why not?
Dec 31 08:28:16 <destinal> anyway have fun all, gotta sleep
Dec 31 08:30:09 <Robi_> heh I was a Descent master back in the day
Dec 31 08:30:53 <Robi_> once the accel api works well you could use it to pivot the ship
Dec 31 08:31:18 <Robi_> then make some 2D onscreen controls
Dec 31 08:32:38 <edektor> here is a little desktop script that will give you info about the apps you have in the app catalog. Just give it the app ID's of your app(s) http://gist.github.com/266666
Dec 31 08:33:28 <freakout> so zsoc, where are my screenies?
Dec 31 08:33:44 <zsoc> freakout: bah
Dec 31 08:33:59 <freakout> where is my video?
Dec 31 08:34:05 <freakout> WHERE IS MY IPK?
Dec 31 08:34:25 <zsoc> do you even know what time it is here
Dec 31 08:35:59 <joshua> w 3
Dec 31 08:36:04 <joshua> oops
Dec 31 08:43:06 <freakout> zsoc: time to cater to freakout's whims?
Dec 31 08:43:50 * freakout goes to play video games
Dec 31 08:43:56 <oil> my clock always gets stuck right before that time
Dec 31 08:44:47 <oil> STO?
Dec 31 08:45:09 <zsoc> ok fixed key mapping
Dec 31 08:45:27 <zsoc> and by fixed i mean "hack till i broke it"
Dec 31 08:45:36 <zsoc> now i just need a good suggestion on how to map the keys
Dec 31 08:45:44 <oil> wasd?
Dec 31 08:46:19 <joshua> wasd ijkl
Dec 31 08:47:08 <zsoc> oil: keyboard is on the right side of the screen :D
Dec 31 08:47:52 <oil> landscape?
Dec 31 08:48:01 <oil> well thats no good for key controls
Dec 31 08:48:13 <zsoc> ... the screen is 320x480, it's either that or have a _tiny_ screen
Dec 31 08:48:19 <oil> you need the little touchscreen-dpad
Dec 31 08:48:22 <oil> or joystick
Dec 31 08:48:26 <oil> like lots of iphone games have
Dec 31 08:48:34 <joshua> i hate that
Dec 31 08:48:35 <zsoc> oil: yeah, i'll just code an overlay right now for a proof of concept demo
Dec 31 08:48:41 <zsoc> just give me 10 minutes at 4am
Dec 31 08:48:42 * oil waits
Dec 31 08:48:56 <joshua> i wonder if you could somehow use the touch section
Dec 31 08:49:02 <joshua> like the gesture area
Dec 31 08:49:08 <oil> how is it in the card?
Dec 31 08:49:11 <oil> <object>?
Dec 31 08:49:19 <zsoc> H and G will be forward and back, Y and B will be left and right. you can still strafe going forward just not backwards that way
Dec 31 08:49:41 <zsoc> everything is mapped to ascii right now
Dec 31 08:49:51 <zsoc> tell me what ascii number the gesture area is and i'll do it :P
Dec 31 08:50:07 <zsoc> pressing the screen is clicking the mouse, so it's like firing
Dec 31 08:54:40 <zsoc> oil: quick, make a hook in ipkgservice to start doom, and make a dummy app that calls that hook :P
Dec 31 08:54:56 <zsoc> er, 'service call' and 'json', or whatever your fancy language is
Dec 31 08:56:01 <oil> lol
Dec 31 08:56:38 <meCka_> anyone know if 1.3.5 works fine w/ meta-doctor?
Dec 31 08:56:48 <rwhitby> should do
Dec 31 08:57:19 <meCka_> rwhitby: was that answer for me? lol
Dec 31 08:57:44 * rwhitby wonders what was funny about the answer ...
Dec 31 08:57:55 <zsoc> ok there's no go back. only go forward and go back really fast
Dec 31 08:58:03 <zsoc> and there's no strafing, just turning left and right
Dec 31 08:58:08 <zsoc> but it's demoable
Dec 31 08:58:13 <zsoc> who wants this thing so i can go to sleep?
Dec 31 08:58:37 <zsoc> s/go back really fast/go forward really fast/
Dec 31 08:58:38 <rwhitby> zsoc: send me a binary and I can package it
Dec 31 08:58:49 * oil waits for package
Dec 31 08:58:59 <rwhitby> what's it called?
Dec 31 08:59:22 <zsoc> doom
Dec 31 08:59:25 <zsoc> :p
Dec 31 08:59:34 <rwhitby> package id?
Dec 31 08:59:45 <zsoc> the shareware doom is http://www.libsdl.org/projects/doom/data/doom1.wad.gz
Dec 31 08:59:49 <zsoc> er, WAD i mean
Dec 31 08:59:50 <zsoc> the one you need
Dec 31 09:00:10 <zsoc> and i don't know how you're going to globalize it whatever, your $PWD has to be the folder the wad is in
Dec 31 09:00:32 <zsoc> org.webosinternals.doom-concept ?
Dec 31 09:00:43 <zsoc> org.webosinternals.sdldoom-concept?
Dec 31 09:00:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: doom-in-a-card ?
Dec 31 09:01:26 <zsoc> heh, like i said it's not really _playable_. i mean you can move around and shoot and open doors, but it's painful
Dec 31 09:01:31 <zsoc> fps is great tho
Dec 31 09:01:36 <rwhitby> how do you start it?
Dec 31 09:01:56 <zsoc> rwhitby: uh.. you sorta... execute it
Dec 31 09:02:08 <rwhitby> and it opens it's own card automatically?
Dec 31 09:02:12 <zsoc> that's why i made the joke about the service request being added to package manager :P
Dec 31 09:02:22 <zsoc> rwhitby: i am a super awesome compiling-face man
Dec 31 09:03:05 <zsoc> There, it's out of my hands. i'm going to sleep
Dec 31 09:04:11 <rwhitby> I assume I need to gunzip the wad?
Dec 31 09:04:52 <zsoc> rwhitby: it doesn't open its _own_ card so much as it starts it's own surface, and when luna realizes it has to share the fb after the initialized virtual surface, it creates a hardware accelerated surface in a new card and shoves it in there
Dec 31 09:04:54 <zsoc> rwhitby: yes
Dec 31 09:05:31 <rwhitby> final key bindings?
Dec 31 09:06:03 <zsoc> H is forward, Y is left, B is right, G is forward really fast (for some reason), space open doors, tap screen to shoot
Dec 31 09:06:20 <zsoc> you can switch weapons with the number keys if you bother getting that far (hold orange and press key, like always)
Dec 31 09:06:34 <zsoc> and you can move around the menus by pressing the first letter that corresponds with the option you want
Dec 31 09:07:44 <rwhitby> no backwards, right?
Dec 31 09:07:51 <zsoc> no, or strafing
Dec 31 09:08:01 <zsoc> i could probably figure it out if i played with it a lot more, but it's not obvious
Dec 31 09:08:09 <zsoc> 'Sym' also shoots, for some reason
Dec 31 09:08:14 <zsoc> and the back gesture opens the menu
Dec 31 09:08:18 <zsoc> couldn't figure that one out
Dec 31 09:08:49 <oil> lol
Dec 31 09:08:52 <zsoc> actually i _can_ figure it out, back gesture gives ascii 27, it's esc
Dec 31 09:09:36 <rwhitby> ok, it's working here.  we can package this.
Dec 31 09:09:49 <rwhitby> I have just over 4 hours left in 2009
Dec 31 09:09:52 <rwhitby> should be heaps
Dec 31 09:10:16 <zsoc> i have a very long day today, that i haven't slept yet for :P maybe 4 hours of sleep for me, hopefully i'll see some fun stuff
Dec 31 09:10:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: where is the game source from?
Dec 31 09:10:37 <zsoc> rwhitby: http://www.libsdl.org/projects/doom/src/sdldoom-1.10.tar.gz
Dec 31 09:10:38 <oil> wow, you weren't kidding about g being really fast
Dec 31 09:10:39 <oil> haha
Dec 31 09:10:55 <rwhitby> zsoc: can do you a quick diff against pristine source?
Dec 31 09:11:06 <oil> oh, its got sound, too
Dec 31 09:11:08 <rwhitby> or send me a tarball of your dev directory?
Dec 31 09:11:19 <oil> does minimize pause?
Dec 31 09:11:22 <zsoc> rwhitby: i didn't change the source, i changed some libraries it compiles against
Dec 31 09:11:32 <zsoc> oil: it seems to... not
Dec 31 09:11:41 <oil> lol
Dec 31 09:11:47 <oil> it plays pretty good
Dec 31 09:11:52 <zsoc> oil: that's what i thought
Dec 31 09:11:59 <oil> but the keys for moving are hard to be navigate
Dec 31 09:12:01 <oil> maybe its just me
Dec 31 09:12:10 <rwhitby> it's workable, and a great demo
Dec 31 09:12:10 <zsoc> oil: no, it's because there's no strafe
Dec 31 09:12:17 <oil> seems like i can't change direction/move as much as i wanted
Dec 31 09:12:19 <zsoc> oil: and it's side ways :P
Dec 31 09:12:19 <oil> i mean
Dec 31 09:12:23 <oil> hitting the buttons
Dec 31 09:12:25 <zsoc> oil: strafe would fix that :P
Dec 31 09:12:32 <oil> obviously its just a thumb
Dec 31 09:12:35 <oil> hitting all 3 buttons
Dec 31 09:12:41 <zsoc> rwhitby: i wonder if palm thought it would happen the same day of the image release lol
Dec 31 09:12:49 <oil> im just making a usability point
Dec 31 09:12:55 <jauderho_> has anyone seen this? virtual keyboard for android http://echeng.com/journal/2009/12/31/swype-an-alternative-keyboard-for-droi/
Dec 31 09:12:56 <oil> not that it doesn't work
Dec 31 09:12:56 <zsoc> oil: yeah it's bad, i agree
Dec 31 09:13:21 <zsoc> oil: firing with your left hand almost balances the weight
Dec 31 09:13:34 <rwhitby> zsoc: any command line options?
Dec 31 09:13:34 <oil> yeah, shooting with a tap is good
Dec 31 09:13:38 <oil> i just killed a demon
Dec 31 09:13:40 <zsoc> rwhitby: none that work
Dec 31 09:13:48 <oil> brb
Dec 31 09:14:02 <zsoc> also emulating is going to become rampent, every major emulator is ported to sdl
Dec 31 09:14:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: so just org.webosinternals.sdldoom ("Doom") I guess, and later versions could have different technology
Dec 31 09:14:35 <zsoc> rwhitby: sure, if you want to do it that way.
Dec 31 09:14:42 <zsoc> i won't pull a dbsooner on you ;)
Dec 31 09:14:56 <zsoc> NO, I"M GOING TO TWEET IT, you retweet! lol
Dec 31 09:14:58 <rwhitby> zsoc: it's your app, I'm just the packaging monkey
Dec 31 09:15:03 * zsoc doesn't have a twitter
Dec 31 09:15:05 <zsoc> it's public domain
Dec 31 09:15:22 <zsoc> hell i didn't even _port_ it beyond some library tweaks
Dec 31 09:15:44 <rwhitby> ok, first a git repo
Dec 31 09:15:45 <zsoc> maybe derek will say my name again
Dec 31 09:15:54 <zsoc> rwhitby: seriously, i gotta jet, can you finish this?
Dec 31 09:16:02 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep, I can take it from here.
Dec 31 09:16:23 <rwhitby> zsoc: same attribution and stuff as Precorder for you?
Dec 31 09:16:33 <zsoc> rwhitby: yeah, i suppose whatever we did with that is fine
Dec 31 09:16:38 <rwhitby> done
Dec 31 09:16:43 <zsoc> ty
Dec 31 09:16:49 <rwhitby> oil: you around for a while?
Dec 31 09:17:03 <zsoc|away> tommorow, there are going to be a lot of developers realizing how dumb they are for not trying this, lol
Dec 31 09:17:32 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: destinal probably needs props too, he pointed me in the right directing with his crazy package diffing ;)
Dec 31 09:17:35 * zsoc|away poofs
Dec 31 09:17:48 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: ok, zsoc and destinal, anyone else?
Dec 31 09:17:55 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: no one else i like :D
Dec 31 09:18:20 <rwhitby> packaging monkey goes last
Dec 31 09:18:30 * zsoc|away poofs for real
Dec 31 09:19:25 <rwhitby> oil: so we need an "Emulator Manager" app, with a single button "Launch Doom".
Dec 31 09:19:41 <rwhitby> (and greyed out buttons for other emulators)
Dec 31 09:21:34 <rwhitby> or do we make them use Terminal to run it?
Dec 31 09:26:11 <jauderho_> no terminal pls =)
Dec 31 09:27:42 <rwhitby> ok, so we need an emuservice to start it
Dec 31 09:33:37 <rwhitby> doomwaddir = getenv("DOOMWADDIR");
Dec 31 09:42:18 <rwhitby> we need an icon too
Dec 31 09:43:09 <meCka_> rwhitby: do i need to create a account to edit/add something on the Wiki?
Dec 31 09:43:12 <rwhitby> oh, we have a tux with blood I think
Dec 31 09:43:14 <rwhitby> meCka_: no
Dec 31 09:43:22 <rwhitby> oh, yes, you need to create an account
Dec 31 09:43:29 <rwhitby> you choose the password
Dec 31 09:43:34 <meCka_> rwhitby: tought so, thanks
Dec 31 09:44:14 <freakout> wait, hang on
Dec 31 09:44:18 <freakout> he posted it?
Dec 31 09:44:20 <freakout> where??
Dec 31 09:44:57 <rwhitby> here's our icon for Doom: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/e/eb/Tux_as_Zombie.png
Dec 31 09:45:11 <rwhitby> freakout: I have it.  Packaging it now.
Dec 31 09:45:16 <freakout> rwhitby: i love it
Dec 31 09:45:24 <freakout> who did that?
Dec 31 09:45:41 <freakout> he could use a BFG too.... or a Doom Guy helmet....
Dec 31 09:47:21 <tlz> anyone had any instances where you try and sync the palm profile, and now all the contacts are loaded, but with no #'s?
Dec 31 10:02:33 <rwhitby> wow, you even get landscape notifications while playing doom
Dec 31 10:03:27 <freakout-Pre> rwhitby: you tease!
Dec 31 10:06:10 <freakout-Pre> will it work on 1.3.1?
Dec 31 10:07:42 <rwhitby> oh, I just had a great idea.  Make this an easter egg in Preware!
Dec 31 10:08:00 <preston> does anyone else's pre reset whenever you exit the terminal app?
Dec 31 10:08:05 <freakout-Pre> that *is* a great idea.
Dec 31 10:08:13 <freakout-Pre> everyone loves Easter eggs!
Dec 31 10:09:26 <rwhitby> yeah, this is totally doable.  No need for a new service or front-end app then.
Dec 31 10:09:49 <oil> lol
Dec 31 10:09:55 <rwhitby> oil: you in?
Dec 31 10:10:02 <rwhitby> oil: menu item?
Dec 31 10:10:13 <oil> idk
Dec 31 10:10:18 <rwhitby> service method will be playDoom()
Dec 31 10:10:28 <oil> while i think easter eggs are cool, i dont think doom is an easter egg
Dec 31 10:10:34 <oil> especially if its just a menu item
Dec 31 10:10:35 <oil> haha
Dec 31 10:10:37 <rwhitby> it will be a separately installable package.
Dec 31 10:10:50 <rwhitby> you need to install doom first, then you use Preware to launch it
Dec 31 10:11:21 <rwhitby> you can only launch it from the preware installed packages screen
Dec 31 10:11:27 <rwhitby> with the normal launch button
Dec 31 10:11:39 <rwhitby> (that's the easter egg bit)
Dec 31 10:11:54 <rwhitby> (we need to special case that package id to call the method)
Dec 31 10:12:00 <oil> i wonder if palm plans to use this for the native programming
Dec 31 10:12:12 <oil> and if they have another way to launch them
Dec 31 10:13:48 <rwhitby> if only we could do this as a 1.0.0 Preware release ...
Dec 31 10:14:39 <oil> this is going out of the scope of preware
Dec 31 10:14:41 <oil> its a package installer
Dec 31 10:14:50 <oil> not for starting games
Dec 31 10:14:57 <oil> there has to be another way
Dec 31 10:18:08 * freakout will be back in an hour!
Dec 31 10:19:00 <rwhitby> oil: a new Flag, which calls a service, which executes a shell script installed with the package instead of launching it via luna.
Dec 31 10:19:18 <rwhitby> the package has to be signed for the shell script to be executed.
Dec 31 10:19:25 <rwhitby> useful for all sorts of optware stuff too
Dec 31 10:19:42 <rwhitby> it's just an implementation of the Launch button for non-webOS apps
Dec 31 10:20:26 <rwhitby> gonna test it on 1.3.1 now - I expect it won't work.
Dec 31 10:22:25 <rwhitby> yep, no libSDL-1.2
Dec 31 10:25:48 <rwhitby> as far as I can see, the ID Software License allows us to distribute this as long as it is not commercial
Dec 31 10:25:58 <rwhitby> (including the specific doom1.wad file)
Dec 31 10:29:37 <rwhitby> ok, I have an initial ipkg
Dec 31 10:30:57 <rwhitby> 5.3MB installed
Dec 31 10:31:31 <rwhitby> 4% CPU when minimised.  You could take a call while it is paused (we'll test that later)
Dec 31 10:36:31 <oil> sending it to card doesn't pause it
Dec 31 10:36:39 <oil> it just seems to lower the fps considerably
Dec 31 10:44:12 <rwhitby> is the TITLE "Doom" or "DOOM!" ?
Dec 31 10:48:57 <JJC> Do I HAVE to download WebOs doctor for Preware to work?
Dec 31 10:49:22 <rwhitby> JJC: no
Dec 31 10:49:32 <rwhitby> but you have to install Preware for Preware to work.
Dec 31 10:49:45 <JJC> Makes sense. Lol
Dec 31 10:49:53 <rwhitby> The wiki page gives you three different ways to do that.
Dec 31 10:50:35 <JJC> best one?
Dec 31 10:50:48 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org/
Dec 31 10:54:19 <rwhitby> oil: how do I get a simple page with some text on it to show when I push the Doom icon ?
Dec 31 10:58:44 <rwhitby> hah - Ares can do this for me
Dec 31 11:02:26 * oil hits sack
Dec 31 11:08:52 <Boobie> I tried downloading and it said something about I need .Net Framework v2
Dec 31 11:08:53 <Boobie> ?
Dec 31 11:10:12 <Boobie> anyone home?
Dec 31 11:10:57 <Boobie> I tried downloading the preware installer and it said that I needed .Net Framework v2....something?
Dec 31 11:11:27 <Boobie> And the jar file said 'unable to rename it WebOs doctor?'
Dec 31 11:36:33 <freakout> rwhitby: it's DOOM. all-caps.
Dec 31 11:38:03 <freakout> also, rwhitby: gimme the damn ipk already!
Dec 31 11:38:08 <freakout> (not to be rude or anything)
Dec 31 11:38:45 <rwhitby> freakout: nope, not ready for screenshots yet
Dec 31 11:39:02 <rwhitby> I'm doing an app in Ares
Dec 31 11:39:02 <freakout> but... but...
Dec 31 11:39:12 <freakout> what if I hold my breath?
Dec 31 11:39:22 <freakout> Or, alternatively: I promise no screenshots or blogging
Dec 31 11:39:35 <freakout> (or support requests, for that matter)
Dec 31 11:43:25 <lt83850> rwhitby, do you have a good tutorial for ares?
Dec 31 11:43:43 <rwhitby> lt83850: nope, just used it for the first time tonight myself
Dec 31 11:44:16 <lt83850> thx
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 12:10:56 2009
Dec 31 12:17:34 <rwhitby> and we're back
Dec 31 12:18:37 <rwhitby> ok, for anyone watching, a dummy package suitable to make screenshots of Preware showing the Doom package is in the testing feed.  It is not a functional package, just a dummy for screenshots of Preware :-)
Dec 31 12:20:47 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 12:21:12 <JayCanuck> lol, you're as bad as the need for speed videa
Dec 31 12:21:38 <JayCanuck> I post that, at least 1 commenter will say "photoshop!" lol
Dec 31 12:21:46 <hape> zsoc|away: You are the man! I requested DOOM for fun when i got to sleep. Now i read the backlog and it's there.
Dec 31 12:21:50 <hape> morning by the way
Dec 31 12:22:04 <freakout> rwhitby: i'm guessing that's no good in 1.3.1?
Dec 31 12:22:05 <rwhitby> the real thing will be there soon.  I need these shots for the ipkg screenshots
Dec 31 12:22:08 <rwhitby> freakout: nope
Dec 31 12:22:15 * freakout sighs
Dec 31 12:22:44 <rwhitby> freakout, JayCanuck: since I know you both are waiting for something: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/56/Doom-installed.png
Dec 31 12:23:02 <freakout> rwhitby: Nice. :)
Dec 31 12:23:07 * freakout blogs madly
Dec 31 12:23:08 <freakout> :p
Dec 31 12:23:14 <rwhitby> and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/0/08/Doom-listing.png
Dec 31 12:23:37 <rwhitby> and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/f0/Doom-in-a-card.png
Dec 31 12:23:52 <rwhitby> and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/8/85/Doom-instructions.png
Dec 31 12:24:09 <rwhitby> Now you have 80% of your articles ready ...
Dec 31 12:24:20 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 12:24:28 <freakout> ha!
Dec 31 12:24:35 <freakout> I'd like a better understanding of the underlying tech
Dec 31 12:24:44 <freakout> So 1.3.5 puts SDL on the table, hmm?
Dec 31 12:25:45 <aCrazyPenguin13> doom!
Dec 31 12:26:08 <JayCanuck> freakout, same with m
Dec 31 12:26:14 <JayCanuck> *me
Dec 31 12:26:52 <freakout> rwhitby, that's your cue (since zsoc and destinal have bugged out) :P
Dec 31 12:26:56 <rwhitby> it's all in the backlog ...
Dec 31 12:27:01 <freakout> haha
Dec 31 12:27:07 * freakout has been scolling through it
Dec 31 12:27:17 <rwhitby> better read it more closely ;-)
Dec 31 12:27:20 <freakout> But thats a long backlog
Dec 31 12:28:21 <JayCanuck> yea, I've been looking throught it too, but a lot of that stuff assumes prior knowledge of sdl and such
Dec 31 12:29:55 <freakout> I think the teller is here
Dec 31 12:29:57 <freakout> <zsoc> destinal: looks like full OpenGL ES hardward support through SDL and fb drivers
Dec 31 12:30:44 <rwhitby> ok, we need someone to volunteer to write the wiki page.
Dec 31 12:31:06 <rwhitby> whoever volunteers gets the binary first.  and they document the key-bindings on the wiki page.
Dec 31 12:31:16 <freakout> heh - on that note
Dec 31 12:31:22 <freakout> QWERTZ will surely mess with that?
Dec 31 12:31:32 <freakout> if it's all ascii like zsoc says
Dec 31 12:31:52 <rwhitby> freakout: qwertz don't have 1.3.5 anyway ;-)
Dec 31 12:32:05 * freakout has tantrum
Dec 31 12:32:20 <JayCanuck> it's 1.3.5-specific?
Dec 31 12:36:22 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 31 12:36:57 <rwhitby> someone needs to flesh out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom
Dec 31 12:37:52 <rwhitby> BTW, I wonder if the exact technology should be too widely blogged, just in case it's what Palm was intending to announce at CES?
Dec 31 12:38:32 <JayCanuck> you've already got the foot in the door with the doom announcement and screenshots though, eh?
Dec 31 12:40:02 <JJC> Where do you get webos quick install?
Dec 31 12:40:19 <JayCanuck> the webos quick install thread ;)
Dec 31 12:40:29 <JJC> link?
Dec 31 12:40:56 <JayCanuck> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/showthread.php?t=206905
Dec 31 12:40:57 <rwhitby> JJC: JayCanuck is where you get webos quick install :-)
Dec 31 12:41:19 <JJC> lol ty
Dec 31 12:41:30 <rwhitby> So no volunteers to write the wiki page?
Dec 31 12:41:33 <freakout> rwhitby:
Dec 31 12:41:36 <freakout> bah
Dec 31 12:41:47 <JJC> uhm...that was a bad link
Dec 31 12:41:49 <JayCanuck> oops, wrong link http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-96-a-1.html
Dec 31 12:42:01 <freakout> rwhitby: I hope you're not looking at me, 'cause I don't understand it
Dec 31 12:42:12 <rwhitby> anyone in here with a Pixi ?
Dec 31 12:42:13 <freakout> Although from what I can see, SDL is now part-and-parcel with Luna
Dec 31 12:42:30 <freakout> rwhitby: as for pre-empting Palm
Dec 31 12:42:48 <freakout> rwhitby: is it really our concern? News is news
Dec 31 12:43:06 <freakout> rwhitby: and they're the ones who pushed 1.3.5 ahead of CES
Dec 31 12:43:37 <JayCanuck> at least from what I'm looking at, the sdl doom isn't still a full app
Dec 31 12:43:53 <rwhitby> well, I have 45 minutes to wait for a volunteer before it's midnight here.  It's being released on 1 Jan 2010
Dec 31 12:44:09 <freakout> rwhitby: you mean 15mins.
Dec 31 12:44:14 <JayCanuck> requires terminal commands, isn't integrated into launcher, etc.  So this is more of "looking into possibile futures of webOS" rather than spoiling things
Dec 31 12:44:17 <freakout> damn backwards adelaide ppl :p
Dec 31 12:44:29 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 12:44:47 <freakout> sydney is the cutting edge, JayCanuck.
Dec 31 12:44:54 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 12:45:28 <JayCanuck> I'm just envious it's summer over there, lol, freakin cold over here
Dec 31 12:45:52 <freakout> rwhitby: So, is the headline "DOOM Ported To Pre, Is Hardware Accelerated" accurate?
Dec 31 12:46:21 <rwhitby> freakout: I personally don't know if libSDL is hardware accellerated or not.
Dec 31 12:46:31 <rwhitby> did zsoc and destinal say earlier?
Dec 31 12:46:45 <freakout> looks like it
Dec 31 12:47:15 <freakout> zsoc> rwhitby: it doesn't open its _own_ card so much as it starts it's own surface, and when luna realizes it has to share the fb after the initialized virtual surface, it creates a hardware accelerated surface in a new card and shoves it in there
Dec 31 12:49:23 <rwhitby> there you go.  it's fast enough to be accellerated :-)
Dec 31 12:50:14 <rwhitby> especially the 'fast-forward' key
Dec 31 12:50:55 <rwhitby> ok you slackers, it's in the testing feed now.  let me know if it works.
Dec 31 12:51:41 <rwhitby> and if someone can get an actual screen shot from inside the game, I can use that too.
Dec 31 12:52:35 <rwhitby> then I need to work out how to make a video for the inaugural webosinternals youtube channel video
Dec 31 12:53:55 <rwhitby> ah, I can use Precorder on one Pre to take a video of the other.  better than freakout's sister
Dec 31 12:54:02 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 12:54:16 <freakout> freakout's sister would call you stupid, rwhitby
Dec 31 12:55:10 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 12:55:13 <rwhitby> BTW, you guys will be linking to that inaugural video in your blogs ...
Dec 31 12:57:17 <freakout> rwhitby: no, who would be interested in watching that? :p
Dec 31 12:57:27 <freakout> i'm just going to paint a vivid word picture
Dec 31 12:59:25 <rwhitby> so, no-one's testing it yet?
Dec 31 13:00:51 <freakout> JayCanuck: surely you have 1.3.5?
Dec 31 13:01:01 <JayCanuck> yep
Dec 31 13:01:13 <JayCanuck> haven't tried it yet as I'm writin the article
Dec 31 13:01:32 <freakout> hey crap
Dec 31 13:01:37 <freakout> it's 2010!
Dec 31 13:01:40 <JayCanuck> wanna keep my details accurate as poassible without boggin down the avhg reader/myself
Dec 31 13:01:43 <freakout> happy new year, folks
Dec 31 13:01:44 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 13:01:45 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 13:01:49 <freakout> JayCanuck: me too
Dec 31 13:01:50 <JayCanuck> have new year aussies
Dec 31 13:02:00 <JayCanuck> *happt
Dec 31 13:02:04 <JayCanuck> **happy
Dec 31 13:02:15 <JayCanuck> lol, I need sleep, 7:02am here
Dec 31 13:02:26 <rwhitby> HNY, freakout
Dec 31 13:02:55 <rwhitby> heh, this is going to be the worst youtube video every
Dec 31 13:02:56 <rwhitby> ever
Dec 31 13:05:28 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 13:08:42 <freakout> rwhitby: *clearly* you didn't see my first Precorder test vid :p
Dec 31 13:08:56 <freakout> or my audition to be the host of Good Game on ABC2, for that matter
Dec 31 13:09:36 <rwhitby> ssshhhh - I'm recording
Dec 31 13:16:52 <freakout> well, my draft is ready
Dec 31 13:17:13 <freakout> Proably won't be as intelligent as JayCanuck's
Dec 31 13:17:19 <freakout> but it'll sound nice!
Dec 31 13:17:24 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 13:17:27 <zefyx> my pixi bit the dust. waiting on a replacement from palm.
Dec 31 13:17:27 <rwhitby> take 2
Dec 31 13:17:42 <zefyx> sporadic power button for turning screen on/off :\
Dec 31 13:17:45 <freakout> bah! i'm getting a hot milo while i wait...
Dec 31 13:24:32 <rwhitby> done
Dec 31 13:24:49 <rwhitby> now to upload
Dec 31 13:25:19 <atlanta> jettero: good morning champ
Dec 31 13:27:28 <rwhitby> it's a silent movie
Dec 31 13:27:43 <rwhitby> and it'll take 3 hours to upload it seems
Dec 31 13:27:52 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 13:28:20 <rwhitby> my upload speed sucks.  3 hours for 165MB
Dec 31 13:28:46 <rwhitby> bah - you guys can update your articles tomorrow with the video
Dec 31 13:29:01 <rwhitby> so, has anyone else at all tested it?
Dec 31 13:29:45 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.sdldoom_1.1.0_armv7.ipk
Dec 31 13:30:29 <freakout> gah
Dec 31 13:30:30 <freakout> fine!
Dec 31 13:30:32 <freakout> trigger pulled
Dec 31 13:31:39 <freakout> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10012/doom-ported-to-palm-pre-is-hardwareaccelerated/
Dec 31 13:31:44 <freakout> thanks, rwhitby
Dec 31 13:31:52 <freakout> and thanks zsoc and destinal! (when you read this)
Dec 31 13:32:32 <rwhitby> freakout: that link above will go away as soon as it's in the public feeds (which will be very soon)
Dec 31 13:32:48 <freakout> rwhitby: I didn't put it in the article
Dec 31 13:32:55 <freakout> will wait till it's out of the testing feed
Dec 31 13:37:44 <rwhitby> ok, writing the tweet now.  JayCanuck do you have an article ready for me to link to as well?
Dec 31 13:38:21 <JayCanuck> will be at http://www.precentral.net/hardware-accelerated-doom-card-yes-its-true once one of the editors publish it
Dec 31 13:38:47 <JayCanuck> any eta on the video demo upload?
Dec 31 13:39:33 <rwhitby> 3:11:23 remaining
Dec 31 13:39:40 <JayCanuck> O.o
Dec 31 13:39:41 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 13:39:49 * freakout ponders staying up till 4am
Dec 31 13:40:02 <rwhitby> Frankly, I doubt it will get through.
Dec 31 13:41:20 <freakout> 165mb? how long is that vid, anyways?
Dec 31 13:41:44 <atlanta> rwhitby: testing doom now
Dec 31 13:41:54 <JayCanuck> so, rod, any eta on when it'll transiton from testing feed to public feed?
Dec 31 13:42:44 <rwhitby> it's there now
Dec 31 13:42:48 <rwhitby> (the package)
Dec 31 13:43:41 <freakout> rwhitby: accessible through Preware?
Dec 31 13:44:01 <rwhitby> yep, should be.  someone else here should test that.
Dec 31 13:45:17 <JayCanuck> any eta on an arm6 version?
Dec 31 13:45:55 <JayCanuck> for that matter, is sdl the same on the pixi, lol
Dec 31 13:45:58 <freakout> rwhitby: typo in your preware description :p "requires webOS1.3.5" not "required" :p
Dec 31 13:46:09 <freakout> JayCanuck: i think zsoc was asking the same question...
Dec 31 13:46:35 <atlanta> rwhitby: it is there
Dec 31 13:47:01 <JayCanuck> freakout: maybe rod's from the future, then it makes sense to him
Dec 31 13:47:23 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 13:47:55 <atlanta> is there a paste option in terminal
Dec 31 13:47:55 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 13:48:21 <rwhitby> nope
Dec 31 13:48:27 <rwhitby> you gotta work for it :-)
Dec 31 13:48:35 <atlanta> lol :-)
Dec 31 13:48:47 <rwhitby> oil wouldn't let me add a launcher to preware :-(
Dec 31 13:49:09 <atlanta> boooooooo
Dec 31 13:49:09 <atlanta> lol
Dec 31 13:49:33 <rwhitby> so I made an app that horrid enough that oil will have to replace it with something spectacular tomorrow
Dec 31 13:49:41 <atlanta> is there at least auto complete for folder /file names
Dec 31 13:49:41 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 13:49:43 <freakout> there we go, appended a brief update to the article saying it's in preware - and you'll need the .wad file
Dec 31 13:50:52 <rwhitby> freakout: fixing the typo
Dec 31 13:51:01 <rwhitby> wad file is included
Dec 31 13:51:28 <rwhitby> it's a special shareware wad file from ID Software which is allowed to be distributed for non-commercial use
Dec 31 13:51:31 <Bmyers> took long enough to see a port doom port out there..
Dec 31 13:52:06 <JayCanuck> bmyers doom for the Pre was here a long while ago, this a much more refine version
Dec 31 13:52:08 <rwhitby> JayCanuck: so no-one awake at PreCentral?
Dec 31 13:52:32 <JayCanuck> Derek was like an hour ago, I've been the group a message to publish it asap
Dec 31 13:52:38 <JayCanuck> *I've sent
Dec 31 13:52:45 <Bmyers> was it? i thought it was dependent on 135
Dec 31 13:53:05 <rwhitby> so, is someone going to document the keybindings?
Dec 31 13:53:13 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom
Dec 31 13:53:22 <JayCanuck> bmyers, the old version wasn't, thought it required debian and directfb
Dec 31 13:53:31 <JayCanuck> and didn't work in a card
Dec 31 13:54:19 <atlanta> rwhitby: i was just about to ask that
Dec 31 13:54:29 <atlanta> because im on a push button spree in this game
Dec 31 13:54:58 <Bmyers> well nice work guys. i'll check it out a little late. real work prevents me :(
Dec 31 13:55:03 <rwhitby> atlanta: I've added the once I know
Dec 31 13:55:06 <rwhitby> ones I know
Dec 31 14:00:11 <rwhitby> zsoc: you're back?
Dec 31 14:00:33 <freakout> rwhitby, zsoc: does it have sound?
Dec 31 14:00:39 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 31 14:00:49 <rwhitby> and volume keys work
Dec 31 14:01:19 <zsoc> rwhitby: midi soundtrack should work too if I can get timidity to work
Dec 31 14:01:22 <freakout> JayCanuck: lol, Derek is tweeting
Dec 31 14:01:30 <freakout> you need his phone number!
Dec 31 14:01:50 <zsoc> JayCanuck: yeah that's the way I like it
Dec 31 14:01:57 <zsoc> whoops, wrong window
Dec 31 14:02:20 <zsoc> rwhitby: we should make a C sdl launching service :>
Dec 31 14:02:35 <en0x> whats derek twitter?
Dec 31 14:03:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: am I correct that I only saw it in the testing feeds?
Dec 31 14:03:16 <rwhitby> JayCanuck: so is it up now?
Dec 31 14:03:22 <rwhitby> zsoc: it's public now
Dec 31 14:04:06 <zsoc> rwhitby: k
Dec 31 14:05:01 <rwhitby> zsoc: can you make a video, with your voice-over?
Dec 31 14:05:16 <rwhitby> I did a silent video, but it will take 3 hours to upload from here.
Dec 31 14:05:17 <zsoc> wait, apple tablet? damn it, trying to steal my thunder
Dec 31 14:05:42 <zsoc> rwhitby: you want me to go 'pew pew pew!'? let tim do it he has a pleasant voice
Dec 31 14:05:50 <zsoc> can't video from work
Dec 31 14:06:46 <rwhitby> zsoc: I bet JayCanuck leaked the story to Jobs, and the pushed that just to bump you off the front page.
Dec 31 14:07:27 <zsoc> likely.
Dec 31 14:07:55 <zsoc> JayCanuck: Jobs? really? it's over between us!
Dec 31 14:07:56 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 14:08:09 <JayCanuck> lol, it's never over between us :p
Dec 31 14:08:15 <freakout> zsoc: damn straight it's pleasant
Dec 31 14:08:26 <freakout> zsoc: It's AUSTRALIAN!
Dec 31 14:08:33 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 14:08:43 <freakout> but you will have to give me 1.3.5 first :p
Dec 31 14:09:19 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 14:10:01 <zsoc> freakout: go doctor yourself silly. I'm sure you can figure out a hack
Dec 31 14:13:46 <zsoc> rwhitby: we're going to need an sdl apps feed
Dec 31 14:14:06 <zsoc> or one service/app to load and launch sdl binaries
Dec 31 14:14:07 <rwhitby> zsoc: they're just in the webos-internals feed
Dec 31 14:14:19 <rwhitby> zsoc: I have a plan, but you need to convince oil
Dec 31 14:14:33 <JayCanuck> a single service should be able to securely launch sdl apps
Dec 31 14:14:55 <rwhitby> My plan is that SDL apps have a flag in the metadata, which causes the Launch button to call a service to run a named script in a signed app.
Dec 31 14:14:57 <zsoc> rwhitby: I have had bad track record convincing him of anything
Dec 31 14:15:09 <rwhitby> (the Launch button in Preware that is)
Dec 31 14:15:31 <nfoadikt> anyone know if mythether works with 1.3.5?
Dec 31 14:15:35 <rwhitby> if the app is not signed, you get the normal Preware confirmation screen
Dec 31 14:15:36 <JayCanuck> rwhitby, if you had a single servivce, you could do launcher integration, with appinfo and everything
Dec 31 14:15:59 <JayCanuck> as you'd only need to put the service call in the app-assistant
Dec 31 14:16:20 <rwhitby> it's gotta be secure though
Dec 31 14:16:30 <JayCanuck> yea, I can think of a few ways
Dec 31 14:16:43 <rwhitby> can't have a rogue app dropping in a script and just having it executed because it has the right name
Dec 31 14:16:48 <JayCanuck> I know
Dec 31 14:17:37 <freakout> so, zsoc, here's your next project: http://d1x.warpcore.org/
Dec 31 14:17:48 <rwhitby> zsoc: are you going to do the homebrew-app entry?
Dec 31 14:18:00 <zsoc> JayCanuck: I think he's saying make preware do the launching
Dec 31 14:18:16 <JayCanuck> I have no objection to Preware integration
Dec 31 14:18:19 <rwhitby> since I suspect you can actually install this one with fileCoaster ...
Dec 31 14:18:28 <zsoc> freakout: my next project is glxgears. I gotta get opengl loaded. it's complicated to find a similar opengl es library
Dec 31 14:18:29 <JayCanuck> I'm just thinking of an addon service for launcher integration
Dec 31 14:19:03 <zsoc> rwhitby: I'm going to do the 'work for another 8 hours'. so not unless it can wait till then.
Dec 31 14:19:11 <rwhitby> zsoc: it can wait till then
Dec 31 14:19:12 <freakout> zsoc: that would be nice, then we'd have numbers to play with...
Dec 31 14:20:09 <zsoc> we should open ssh on everones device, and when someone goes to play it it should ping one of us to tunnel in and launch it
Dec 31 14:21:10 <freakout> lol
Dec 31 14:21:15 <freakout> what a wonderfully bad idea
Dec 31 14:21:20 <freakout> i love it
Dec 31 14:21:31 <hape> zsoc|away: You are the man! I requested DOOM for fun when i got to sleep. Now i read the backlog and it's there.
Dec 31 14:21:43 <nfoadikt> anyone?
Dec 31 14:22:51 <rwhitby> nfoadikt: no idea, sorry.
Dec 31 14:23:00 <zsoc> hape: I try
Dec 31 14:23:04 <nfoadikt> thanks
Dec 31 14:23:08 <en0x> yey the doom is fun ;D
Dec 31 14:23:10 <zsoc> brb
Dec 31 14:23:29 <nfoadikt> is  1.3.5  a big improvement over 1.2?
Dec 31 14:24:06 <en0x> yes
Dec 31 14:26:21 <zsoc> whoops
Dec 31 14:26:29 <atlanta> zsoc: wsup guy
Dec 31 14:26:32 <atlanta> zsoc: good work
Dec 31 14:27:20 * atlanta is hoping oil creates a better start up method for doom
Dec 31 14:28:10 <rwhitby> so the instructions in the app screen that gets launched work, right?
Dec 31 14:28:27 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2118722
Dec 31 14:28:32 <atlanta> yea
Dec 31 14:28:54 <FreeTim3> It's gloom and Doom on New Years from Rod Whitby ?  :)
Dec 31 14:29:45 <FreeTim3> whoops wrong channel... please ignore
Dec 31 14:30:07 <elpollodiablo1> did anyone notice that after the update to 1.3.5 the time was off?
Dec 31 14:32:56 <en0x> not on mine
Dec 31 14:33:54 <freakout> oh boy. it's bedtime
Dec 31 14:33:56 <freakout> night all
Dec 31 14:34:04 <freakout> HN1!
Dec 31 14:34:10 <freakout> erm. I mean HNY! :p
Dec 31 14:35:02 <destinal> zsoc rwhitby: a front page on precentral, nice
Dec 31 14:35:32 <zsoc> destinal: I'm waiting for the engadget
Dec 31 14:35:35 <rwhitby> destinal: gotta work that media :-)
Dec 31 14:36:22 <destinal> I'd say we rock but palm deserves much credit
Dec 31 14:36:38 <atlanta> lol indeed
Dec 31 14:36:45 <atlanta> so what did palm do to allow this
Dec 31 14:36:45 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 14:36:53 <atlanta> add the opengl packages
Dec 31 14:36:53 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 14:37:03 <destinal> included libsdl
Dec 31 14:37:10 <atlanta> gotcha
Dec 31 14:37:18 <destinal> with luna integration
Dec 31 14:37:41 <zsoc> palm actually did everything like a boss
Dec 31 14:37:44 <destinal> thanks, palm
Dec 31 14:37:53 <rwhitby> destinal: and I got first comment :-)
Dec 31 14:37:58 <zsoc> but until CES I'm taking the credit :D
Dec 31 14:38:21 <destinal> zsoc: lol
Dec 31 14:38:55 <rwhitby> zsoc, destinal: hats off to you guys.
Dec 31 14:39:01 <destinal> you think we may have inadvertently stolen their thunder re announcement?
Dec 31 14:39:06 <zsoc> atlanta: new fb driver in the kernel, super awesome full port of sdl, with presumed opengl es support, and nice dynamic luna interaction
Dec 31 14:39:22 <elpollodiablo1> the people in here are pretty hardcore. awesome find zsoc rwhitby destinal
Dec 31 14:39:31 <zsoc> rwhitby: you made the channel, we just poulate it with gibberish till things happen
Dec 31 14:40:11 <zsoc> destinal: I hope so. I'm going to make a press release identical to their CES presentarion. maybe they'll pay me to shut up lol
Dec 31 14:40:24 <destinal> hehe
Dec 31 14:41:32 <rwhitby> hey, it's 1:10 1/1/10 here right now
Dec 31 14:41:44 <zsoc> rwhitby: you numerologist you
Dec 31 14:41:50 <rwhitby> total binary datestampe
Dec 31 14:42:08 <zsoc> oh, ha
Dec 31 14:42:29 <rwhitby> 01:10 01/01/10 even
Dec 31 14:42:51 <atlanta> zsoc: cool
Dec 31 14:43:36 <destinal> happy new year rod
Dec 31 14:44:19 <destinal> heh I guess the sdl stuff is auspiciously timed
Dec 31 14:44:50 <rwhitby> 58MB of 165MB of my vide uploaded
Dec 31 14:45:02 <rwhitby> webosinternals has a youtube channel now
Dec 31 14:45:03 <atlanta> i know im late what is the video of
Dec 31 14:45:03 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 14:45:16 <rwhitby> doom of course
Dec 31 14:45:21 <atlanta> oh ok gotcha
Dec 31 14:45:22 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 31 14:45:30 <atlanta> oh lalal today is the day
Dec 31 14:45:37 <atlanta> Bmyers 's comment was funny
Dec 31 14:45:37 <rwhitby> although at this upload rate someone else will surely have one up before ...
Dec 31 14:45:40 <atlanta> gotta go retweet that
Dec 31 14:47:04 <destinal> heh I think jason is worried over nothing, webos isn't dropping web based and mojo being primary any time soon
Dec 31 14:47:11 <Bmyers> my left handed compliment..
Dec 31 14:47:55 <rwhitby> Bmyers: it appealed to my sense of humour
Dec 31 14:48:53 <FreeTim3> The update to  update to 1.3.5 broke my everything... several apps tried to update and are now broken... including Classic and Evernote and AP Newswire
Dec 31 14:49:51 <rwhitby> zsoc, destinal: did you like the choice of icon?
Dec 31 14:50:23 <zsoc> rwhitby: yes I think it's fair :>
Dec 31 14:51:16 <rwhitby> zsoc: let me know if you want anything changed in the wordsmithing anywhere in the packaging
Dec 31 14:51:45 <rwhitby> I can do that quickly now if there's anything
Dec 31 14:51:48 <destinal> so we need a launcher app and icons that call it.  a also does tossing away card kill the binary or just hide?
Dec 31 14:52:10 <rwhitby> destinal: cleanly exits binary as far as I can see
Dec 31 14:52:10 <zsoc> rwhitby: nah it's cool. I just can't wait to get home and try to get something working with open gl
Dec 31 14:52:43 <rwhitby> destinal: I tested that before release
Dec 31 14:52:50 <zsoc> destinal: yeah that's part of palm sdl patch. very careful about mem leaks
Dec 31 14:53:38 <destinal> very cool
Dec 31 14:54:10 <destinal> what about upstart
Dec 31 14:54:36 <rwhitby> what about it?  this doesn't use it.
Dec 31 14:54:56 <destinal> I mran for a nrw launchr
Dec 31 14:55:04 <destinal> sry
Dec 31 14:55:18 <rwhitby> destinal: I wanted to make the Launch button in Preware be able to start SDL apps, but oil wouldn't let me :-(
Dec 31 14:55:43 <rwhitby> So I created my very first webOS application using Ares :-)
Dec 31 14:56:13 <cue79> Hey all - figured I'd come here and ask about Doom - I'm having an issue running it - someone think they can give me a hand?  It's an SDL error..
Dec 31 14:57:06 <rwhitby> cue79: let me guess, you're not running 1.3.5
Dec 31 14:57:08 <cue79> no
Dec 31 14:57:11 <cue79> running 1.3.5
Dec 31 14:57:25 <rwhitby> ok, we're listening :-)
Dec 31 14:57:38 <cue79> tells me could not initalize SDL: unable to open /dev/fb1
Dec 31 14:57:57 <zsoc> oh that's bad
Dec 31 14:58:40 <rwhitby> "testing is for users" - Linus Torvalds ;-)
Dec 31 14:58:48 <cue79> hehe
Dec 31 14:58:52 <cue79> well
Dec 31 14:58:54 <ericwait> rwhitby, i am sure that you will have this question all day and have before but how do I install Doom?!  I want to impress my guests tonight at NYE party
Dec 31 14:59:05 <cue79> lets see - the termainl I have installed is an older version - but I don't think that would matter right?
Dec 31 14:59:17 <cue79> and I'm not rooted - just runnig the terminal application...
Dec 31 14:59:19 <zsoc> rwhitby: is going to ved
Dec 31 14:59:23 <cue79> again - don't think it matters tho
Dec 31 14:59:25 <zsoc> er, bed
Dec 31 14:59:47 <atlanta> noooo rwhitby u gotta wait until the engadget post
Dec 31 14:59:49 <atlanta> lol
Dec 31 14:59:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep, I've pulled the pin and thrown the grenade, now it's time for me to leave :-)
Dec 31 15:00:15 <cue79> nite zsoc - thanks for makign it workable
Dec 31 15:00:16 <zsoc> cue79: I honestly have no idea what could cause that. I want to know tho.
Dec 31 15:00:35 <zsoc> ericwait: did you... follow the instructions?
Dec 31 15:00:49 <cue79> zsoc: let me know what i need to do to run a trace for you
Dec 31 15:01:13 <ericwait> zsoc, i have only looked at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom is there a better place to look?
Dec 31 15:01:31 <atlanta> ericwait: what are u looking for
Dec 31 15:01:45 <atlanta> preware
Dec 31 15:01:52 <ericwait> atlanta, doom install instruction
Dec 31 15:02:01 <atlanta> ericwait: open preware click on everything
Dec 31 15:02:07 <atlanta> should be the first app there
Dec 31 15:02:09 <zsoc> ericwait: install it from preware. it gives you instrcutions
Dec 31 15:02:16 <atlanta> and make sure u have terminal installed as well
Dec 31 15:02:26 <ericwait> seriously!  i thought it was going to be a process
Dec 31 15:02:48 <atlanta> negative
Dec 31 15:02:52 <atlanta> thats the whole BREAKTHROUGH
Dec 31 15:02:53 <atlanta> lol
Dec 31 15:03:11 <ird> Hmmm..
Dec 31 15:03:15 <ird> I just noticed hardware accelerated doom.
Dec 31 15:03:16 <FreeTim3> I can do the step-by-step install and add that to the wiki for it
Dec 31 15:03:17 <ird> Cool!
Dec 31 15:03:24 <cue79> zsoc: is there a debug command i can run that might give us more info when I execute it?
Dec 31 15:03:35 <atlanta> FreeTim3: theres steps? lol
Dec 31 15:04:04 <rwhitby> FreeTim3: please do
Dec 31 15:04:04 <jmart> hey guys, i woke up this morning to the cool news that DOOM is on Preware! awesome! however, I can't see it when I load Preware...could someone give me the commands to check the feeds manually to see if they are working properly?
Dec 31 15:04:10 <crash_pr> good work guys!
Dec 31 15:04:24 <en0x> and now this gonna be all day
Dec 31 15:04:33 <zsoc> cue79: 1 sec
Dec 31 15:04:34 <atlanta> jmart: click the app menu and select update feeds
Dec 31 15:04:44 <ird> I wonder if it would be possible to make custom launchers for things like this.
Dec 31 15:04:46 <cue79> zsoc: k
Dec 31 15:04:53 <rwhitby> en0x: yep - I get to sleep for the next 7 hours or so :-)
Dec 31 15:04:55 <atlanta> ird: they are working on it
Dec 31 15:05:19 <jmart> atlanta: I have it set so that the feeds update every time i launch Preware
Dec 31 15:05:44 <atlanta> did u click list everything
Dec 31 15:05:46 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 15:05:58 <rwhitby> ird: I reckon Preware should be able to launch it - what do you think ?
Dec 31 15:06:20 <ird> rwhitby: I know that.. but.
Dec 31 15:06:29 <zsoc> cue79: have you tried basic stuff? device restart?
Dec 31 15:06:53 <rwhitby> ird: yeah, each needs it's own icon
Dec 31 15:07:09 <ird> rwhitby: are there any ideas of how to do it yet?
Dec 31 15:07:14 <cue79> zsoc:Yup - from the terminal window itself :)  I can try a full shut down if you want?
Dec 31 15:07:15 <jmart> atlanta: even with updating feeds through menu and going to list of everything, still not there
Dec 31 15:07:49 <zsoc> cue79: please do. there's nothing in a regular environment that an ause that error
Dec 31 15:07:52 <rwhitby> ird: yeah, a secure service which runs signed app startup scripts
Dec 31 15:07:54 <atlanta> jmart: wierd
Dec 31 15:07:57 <jmart> i had this happen beffore where i couldn't find mvapp, and someone on here gave me commands that checked one of the feeds and it showed that it wasn't loaded properly and Preware wasn't downloading the apps from it
Dec 31 15:08:08 <ird> rwhitby: I had the right idea then..
Dec 31 15:08:28 <rwhitby> jmart: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update
Dec 31 15:08:49 <cue79> zsoc: ok turning power off via power button and will let it boot back up..
Dec 31 15:08:56 <rwhitby> ird: written in C ;-)
Dec 31 15:10:10 <atlanta> did someone tip engadget already im sure someone did right
Dec 31 15:10:31 <cue79> zsoc: while rebooting - will tell you have a bunch of patches installed (can EPR if you think it might help) and did reinstall preware via webosquickinstall after 1.3.5 upgrade - no problems doing so.  MyTeather paid version also installed and have used the patch back and forth for that (don't think any of that has any bearing, but figured I'd give you a complete list of what's going on with the device)
Dec 31 15:10:36 <ird> rwhitby: preware can't launch doom btw :p
Dec 31 15:10:38 <rwhitby> surely they follow @webosinternals on twitter ...
Dec 31 15:10:43 <ird> It just gives instructions on how to.
Dec 31 15:10:47 <zsoc> atlanta: they have a guy that reads PC
Dec 31 15:10:50 <ird> Or was that the joke all along...
Dec 31 15:10:59 <atlanta> zsoc: ok :-)
Dec 31 15:11:09 <rwhitby> ird: I had a way worked out to do it, but oil wouldn't let me add it.
Dec 31 15:11:25 <jmart> rwhitby: got an error, command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-frVIEA http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/all/Packages.pz'
Dec 31 15:11:32 <ird> ~smack oil
Dec 31 15:11:32 * rwhitby is just the packaging monkey ;-)
Dec 31 15:11:33 * infobot smacks oil upside the head.
Dec 31 15:11:35 <zsoc> cue79: there should be no patches that would effect this
Dec 31 15:11:54 <cue79> zsoc: figured as much.
Dec 31 15:11:58 <rwhitby> jmart: that means your package manager service is not installed properly
Dec 31 15:12:00 <tictac_> im trying to find more keys for doom.
Dec 31 15:12:32 <jmart> rwhitby: should i try to uninstall and reinstall via QI?
Dec 31 15:12:42 * tictac_ has updated the wiki with his finding.
Dec 31 15:12:42 <zsoc> tictac: there won't be till I bind more
Dec 31 15:13:06 * zsoc gives tictac a cookie
Dec 31 15:13:12 <destinal> rwhitby: I think an upstart service is next since we dint know how palm means for us to do it officially
Dec 31 15:13:14 <zsoc> all wiki updaters get a cookie
Dec 31 15:13:17 <cue79> zsoc: no dice
Dec 31 15:13:21 <tictac_> oh, well damn. ive found about a total of maybe 10 bindings
Dec 31 15:13:25 <cue79> zsoc: full reboot and all - same issue
Dec 31 15:13:39 <aCrazyPenguin13> weapon cycle would be a good keybind
Dec 31 15:13:43 <zsoc> cue79: no, you're a liar
Dec 31 15:13:47 <cue79> zsoc: :)
Dec 31 15:13:47 <atlanta> lmfaooo
Dec 31 15:13:57 <cue79> zsoc: don't know if it should be there - but in dev there is no fbl
Dec 31 15:14:08 <zsoc> I know
Dec 31 15:14:15 <cue79> zsoc: ok.. just checking
Dec 31 15:14:15 <cue79> :)
Dec 31 15:14:40 <cue79> zsoc: do you want me to EPR it?  also I am in Dev mode
Dec 31 15:14:45 <zsoc> cue79: wait, you have no /dev/fb1?
Dec 31 15:14:55 <cue79> zsoc: correct - and I am on 1.3.5
Dec 31 15:15:03 <cue79> i have fb
Dec 31 15:15:07 <cue79> fb
Dec 31 15:15:08 <cue79> fb0
Dec 31 15:15:09 <cue79> fd
Dec 31 15:15:10 <cue79> full
Dec 31 15:15:10 <tictac_> aCrazyPenguin13: its there already. ORANGE + # to change weapons
Dec 31 15:15:10 <cue79> fuse
Dec 31 15:15:11 <zsoc> cue79: no you aren't. your kernel didn't update
Dec 31 15:15:21 <cue79> zsoc: device info shows 1.3.5
Dec 31 15:15:25 <cue79> i'm gonna need to doctor aren't i
Dec 31 15:15:39 <rwhitby> cue79: have you rebooted since 1.3.5 ?
Dec 31 15:15:48 <cue79> of course - ton's of times
Dec 31 15:15:51 <zsoc> cue79: palm might be curious about this. hey wait
Dec 31 15:15:55 <cue79> hell I had to reinstall preware as it didnt' work after i did the update
Dec 31 15:16:01 <cue79> reinstalled all my patches
Dec 31 15:16:03 <cue79> device info shows 1.3.5
Dec 31 15:16:09 <zsoc> cue79: have you done a full shutdown, not restart?
Dec 31 15:16:11 <tictac_> my pre didnt update to 1.3.5 so i had to webdoctor to get there.
Dec 31 15:16:22 <cue79> zsoc: yes - using power button shut down like i was pul;ling battery
Dec 31 15:16:35 <tictac_> i got the triangle of failure.
Dec 31 15:16:50 <zsoc> hmm.. I wonder if there's another way to test kernel version...
Dec 31 15:17:11 <zsoc> cue79: oh wait
Dec 31 15:17:15 * atlanta is wondering what other games we can port over
Dec 31 15:17:19 <zsoc> cue79: check uh... lsmod
Dec 31 15:17:24 <rwhitby> ok, I'l outta here - good night all and happy new year for when it happens to you wherever you are
Dec 31 15:17:42 <cue79> sr9xxx size 282136 - bridgedriver 187924
Dec 31 15:17:50 <cue79> both used by 1
Dec 31 15:17:58 <tictac_> atlanta: hexen :P
Dec 31 15:18:20 <cue79> zsoc: if you want to hit the sack I completely understand - i can either doctor it or can leave it in this state until you wake back up and want to work more on it
Dec 31 15:18:21 <zsoc> cue79: you're looking for pvrsrvkm
Dec 31 15:18:39 <cue79> zsoc: just tyep the lsmod command or do i have to do something else?
Dec 31 15:18:49 <cue79> zsoc: only know enough linux to be dangerous
Dec 31 15:18:56 <aCrazyPenguin13> rwhitby:  happy new year and thanks for the great work
Dec 31 15:18:59 <rwhitby> video is halfway uploaded
Dec 31 15:19:09 <rwhitby> aCrazyPenguin13: zsoc did the work, I just packaged it
Dec 31 15:19:45 <aCrazyPenguin13> rwhitby: : not just doom but all year
Dec 31 15:19:46 <cue79> zsoc: lsmod only shows me sr9xxx and bridgedriver
Dec 31 15:19:47 <rwhitby> you guys are gonna laugh or cry when you see this video I made.  my very first upload to youtube ever
Dec 31 15:20:10 <rwhitby> a silent movie, extremely amateur
Dec 31 15:20:48 <cue79> zsoc: err sd8xxx
Dec 31 15:21:35 <ericwait> alright i didn't think it was going to be that easy, got ErrorGenericMethodException when installing doom :(
Dec 31 15:21:53 <ericwait> can anyone give me a couple pointers?
Dec 31 15:22:14 <atlanta> preware gave u that error?
Dec 31 15:22:47 <ericwait> yep, do you want any more of the verbiage?
Dec 31 15:23:47 <jmart> hey guys, rwhitby told me i needed to reinstall my package manager service...can anyone tell me how to do it via terminal b/c it's not showing up in Device Management of WOSQI and Preware wouldn't let me do it
Dec 31 15:25:10 <atlanta> jmart: use wosqi just to install it agai
Dec 31 15:25:20 <ericwait> atlanta, should i go in and manually get rid of the ipkg?
Dec 31 15:25:32 * rwhitby bbt
Dec 31 15:25:54 <atlanta> was there any thing else in the log
Dec 31 15:25:54 <atlanta> ?
Dec 31 15:26:25 <ericwait> atlanta, preware says that either the ipkg or package index are corrupt. try 'ipkg update'
Dec 31 15:26:39 <atlanta> yea try that and see what happens
Dec 31 15:27:06 <atlanta> if that doesnt work reinstall the ipkg package manager
Dec 31 15:27:34 <ericwait> atlanta, will try
Dec 31 15:27:47 <jmart> atlanta: I'm a dipshit and closed the window that had the command rwhitby gave me to check the feeds...could you scroll up and find it and paste it for me? sorry....
Dec 31 15:27:57 <en0x> i wonder how many uses that backup utility thAt is in preware
Dec 31 15:28:29 <atlanta> en0x: lol
Dec 31 15:28:53 <atlanta> jmart: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update
Dec 31 15:28:58 <zsoc> cue79: still there? sorry I was caught up at work
Dec 31 15:29:01 <jmart> thanks, sorry bout that
Dec 31 15:29:34 <atlanta> no problem
Dec 31 15:29:42 <cue79> zsoc: yup
Dec 31 15:29:56 <cue79> zsoc: actually installing wirc so i can do this while I get on the road :)
Dec 31 15:29:58 <ericwait> atlanta, stupid question, can I remove the ipkg manager from preware?
Dec 31 15:30:13 <zsoc> cue79: what was the result of lsmod looking for that module
Dec 31 15:30:15 <atlanta> use woqi
Dec 31 15:30:17 <atlanta> wqi
Dec 31 15:30:53 <cue79> zsoc: I only got the two modules that cmae up listed above
Dec 31 15:31:03 <cue79> zsoc: is there something further i needed to do other then just typing lsmod?
Dec 31 15:31:46 <zsoc> cue79: you don't have 135 :p
Dec 31 15:31:57 <cue79> zsoc: hah - i def upgraded tho and device info shows it
Dec 31 15:32:02 <cue79> zsoc: I assume a doctor is in oprder
Dec 31 15:32:07 <zsoc> cue79: you could try loading that module?
Dec 31 15:32:08 <cue79> zsoc: Adn we'll call this a "bad " upgrade?
Dec 31 15:32:24 <cue79> zsoc: help on how todo that?
Dec 31 15:32:49 <zsoc> modprobe pvrsrvkm
Dec 31 15:32:51 <cue79> zsoc: because my apps do exist inside the cryprtofs
Dec 31 15:32:56 <jmart> what does fixing unknown packages do in preware?
Dec 31 15:33:15 <cue79> zsoc: module pvrsrvkm not found
Dec 31 15:33:33 <jmart> because my preware fixes like 186 packages whenever i open it
Dec 31 15:33:33 <tictac_> i wish we could screenshot doom from within the game, instead of getting the black screen.
Dec 31 15:33:36 <cue79> zsoc: so I have a half screwred up upgrade
Dec 31 15:34:05 <cue79> zsoc: well at least that's logical :)  doctor here I come I guess - unless you want any toher info from my device before I kill it to help others
Dec 31 15:34:16 <zsoc> cue79: seems like you're just plain missing your kernel module
Dec 31 15:34:24 <cue79> zsoc: wheee!
Dec 31 15:34:26 <zsoc> I hope we don't see a lot of it
Dec 31 15:34:41 <zsoc> cue79: I would docotor :D
Dec 31 15:34:43 <cue79> zsoc: well, an easy enough test is to see if you're missing the fdl in the dev directory I guess
Dec 31 15:34:44 <cue79> :)
Dec 31 15:35:06 <cue79> zsoc: ok - will do - I'll post to the precentral thread after I doctor about it working :)
Dec 31 15:35:12 <cue79> zsoc: gnite :)
Dec 31 15:35:19 <zsoc> cue79: later
Dec 31 15:35:28 <ird> zsoc: I have to say.
Dec 31 15:35:31 <ird> Cool :D
Dec 31 15:35:47 <zsoc> ird:  xD
Dec 31 15:36:32 <ird> Was getting the screen tap to shoot hard? Or is it just like any other key binding?
Dec 31 15:37:26 <zsoc> ird: it's bound to mouse click
Dec 31 15:37:51 <ird> ah
Dec 31 15:37:55 <ird> That makes sense.
Dec 31 15:38:29 <ird> I wish I had the patience to do this kind of stuff.
Dec 31 15:38:42 <zsoc> ird: palm did it all
Dec 31 15:38:59 <ird> What did you do then?
Dec 31 15:39:19 <zsoc> ird: typed make
Dec 31 15:39:24 <ird> lol
Dec 31 15:39:28 <ird> that's what I was thinking..
Dec 31 15:39:56 <zsoc> ird: I mean the whole arm compile thing and the funny irregular sdl libs
Dec 31 15:40:13 <ird> Anything exciting on the gstservice?
Dec 31 15:41:24 <bpadalino> did rwhitby ever finish uploading his first youtube video ?
Dec 31 15:41:45 <tictac_> too bad we cant use a blue tooth mouse with the pre...
Dec 31 15:43:06 * Zorin rubs his eyes, "DOOM? Seriously?? Damn, go to sleep one day, wake up the next and suddenly my phone is a decent gaming platform. You guys rock."
Dec 31 15:43:23 <tictac_> Zorin: yes. im on level 4.
Dec 31 15:44:01 <bpadalino> i am still interested in seeing what hardware palm is going to reveal that has dedicated play/pause/prev/next buttons
Dec 31 15:44:27 <ird> bpadalino: where did you hear this?
Dec 31 15:44:41 <bpadalino> ird, there is a hid test program ..
Dec 31 15:44:42 <bpadalino> run that
Dec 31 15:44:53 <bpadalino> and on one of the screens you can see all the buttons and if they are activated or not
Dec 31 15:44:55 <zsoc> aaaannnddd I crashed luna
Dec 31 15:45:13 <zsoc> we should make a terminal with the new framebuffer access instead of an npapi
Dec 31 15:45:14 <bpadalino> including the 'blob' button .. and now there is a 'Jack' button .. as well as play/pause/next/prev
Dec 31 15:45:20 <ird> bpadalino: is there something in the wiki about it?
Dec 31 15:45:23 <bpadalino> no
Dec 31 15:45:27 <bpadalino> i don't think so
Dec 31 15:45:41 <ird> do I need to go modify the json file or something then?
Dec 31 15:45:48 <tictac_> doom is hard with the limited keybindings.
Dec 31 15:45:48 <ird> like hiding or unhiding the other apps.
Dec 31 15:45:58 <Zorin> I'm wondering if SDL will allow a faster/ more responsive / more capable Terminal app, too.
Dec 31 15:46:04 <bpadalino> ird, it's a commandline thing to run
Dec 31 15:46:16 <ird> ah
Dec 31 15:46:17 <ird> ok
Dec 31 15:46:17 <ird> got it
Dec 31 15:46:21 <bpadalino> connect using novaterm and type hid then tab... i forgot the name of the executable :(
Dec 31 15:46:27 <bpadalino> hidtest or something
Dec 31 15:46:31 <bpadalino> hiddemo ?
Dec 31 15:46:31 <Zorin> I've notcied a couple Luna crashes since 1.3.5. Mostly when running Terminal
Dec 31 15:47:18 <zsoc> Zorin: yep, I an almost comepletely confidently say terminal and 135 do not play nice
Dec 31 15:47:30 <zsoc> destinal: did you do the original terminal work?
Dec 31 15:48:11 <Zorin> Hmm. Well it's a relief to know it's not just me.
Dec 31 15:48:37 <Zorin> Both times in my case it's happened while swiping Terminal away.
Dec 31 15:49:42 <jmart> happened to me once just a minute ago
Dec 31 15:52:04 <destinal-wirc> zsoc: man playing doom with pre keyboard is awkward. :)
Dec 31 15:52:21 * oil pointed that out last night
Dec 31 15:52:45 <Zorin> I wish the Pre had kept the four way directional pad and more hardware buttons. I remember playing NES games really well on my Treo. Fat chance on the Pre :(
Dec 31 15:52:50 <bpadalino> mod your pre to add screen rotation to the sliding .. i think some people already have it!
Dec 31 15:53:04 <jmart> still not seeing doom....rwhitby had me run ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update, got an error the first time, reinstalled package manager service. now...when i run it again, no errors, but i'm still not seeing doom, can anyone help?
Dec 31 15:53:18 <destinal-wirc> oil: we need an upstart service and maybe a manager card
Dec 31 15:53:21 <ChrisXS> Zorin: Use a bluetooth gaming peripheral like a wiimote or sixaxis
Dec 31 15:53:52 <destinal-wirc> since we don't have docs on official way to launch things
Dec 31 15:53:55 <oil> http://forums.precentral.net/showpost.php?p=2118866&postcount=51
Dec 31 15:54:00 <oil> best post sofar
Dec 31 15:54:05 <ChrisXS> the pre needs a head mount to free your hands for gaming
Dec 31 15:54:32 <destinal-wirc> use touchstone,but then you have to sit
Dec 31 15:54:32 <ChrisXS> tape it to the bill of a baseball cap
Dec 31 15:54:32 <atlanta> oil: indeed lol
Dec 31 15:54:49 <Zorin> I wish the Pre had bluetooth keyboard support.
Dec 31 15:54:53 <destinal-wirc> lol 4 doom cards
Dec 31 15:54:58 <tictac_> heh
Dec 31 15:55:00 <Zorin> I'm not sure why that's so hard to implement.
Dec 31 15:55:05 <ChrisXS> n810 does...
Dec 31 15:55:30 <ChrisXS> old treos had external keyboard support
Dec 31 15:55:33 <oil> if the n810 jumped off a bridge would you want your pre to follow?
Dec 31 15:55:35 <Zorin> I'd love to get one of those super-slim Apple bluetooth keyboards and keep it in my bag.. if I get into a long text message conversation I can just pull it out.
Dec 31 15:55:48 <destinal-wirc> zorin: you're right, now I will be forced to try to hack on bluetooth
Dec 31 15:55:59 <tictac_> Zorin: if? thats like multiple times a day for me.
Dec 31 15:56:03 <ChrisXS> n810 was super slow. i played duken3d on it
Dec 31 15:56:05 <atlanta> doom releases and precentral comes to a craql
Dec 31 15:56:07 <atlanta> crawl
Dec 31 15:56:24 <Rick_work> jmart you're in 135, and you have the latest preware and the latest package manager and you've updated feeds?
Dec 31 15:56:27 <tictac_> Zorin: ive reverted to using google voice for sms lately. i can type texts using a keyboard.
Dec 31 15:56:33 <Zorin> And before someone says "just call them".. can't always do that.
Dec 31 15:56:38 <jmart> rick_work: yes
Dec 31 15:57:03 <tictac_> destinal-wirc: go for it.
Dec 31 15:57:21 <ChrisXS> if i'm going to whip out a keyboard from my bag, i might as well whip out a foleo
Dec 31 15:57:25 <ChrisXS> i want a foleo :-)
Dec 31 15:57:57 <ChrisXS> a foleo which runs WebOS of course
Dec 31 15:57:58 <destinal-wirc> I have the palm keyboard with stand.. stand fits pre
Dec 31 15:58:01 <Rick_work> jamrt that sucks
Dec 31 15:58:19 <ird> bpadalino: ondevicedemo?
Dec 31 15:58:24 <bpadalino> ird, no
Dec 31 15:58:28 <bpadalino> it starts with hid ..
Dec 31 15:58:35 <bpadalino> let me get my cable out and find it ..
Dec 31 15:58:37 <jmart> does anyone else have like 150 something themes that are listed under the available other category in preware? everytime i launch Preware, it has to fix 187 unknown packages and i think the themes are part of that
Dec 31 15:58:44 <Zorin> I have the old Palm keyboard that uses IR
Dec 31 15:59:07 <jmart> rick_work: hahahaha, yeah, it does...sucks b/c i've had so few problems iwth my pre
Dec 31 15:59:52 <bpadalino> hiddaig
Dec 31 15:59:52 <bpadalino> erm
Dec 31 15:59:52 <bpadalino> ird, hiddiag
Dec 31 15:59:52 <ird> ah
Dec 31 15:59:54 <ird> thanks
Dec 31 15:59:55 <tictac_> jmart: so disable the theme feeds. i do. ill never use those
Dec 31 15:59:56 <bpadalino> np
Dec 31 16:00:03 <bpadalino> there are some interesting tests there
Dec 31 16:00:19 <bpadalino> but the keyboard one shows all the sensors .. and there are some boxes i can't get to light up
Dec 31 16:00:21 <jmart> tictac_: i think it's just indicative that my preware isn't working properly
Dec 31 16:01:17 <ChrisXS> webos can easily add bluetooth hid support in the future. low priority. bigger fish to fry
Dec 31 16:01:23 <destinal-wirc> bpadalino: cool, that'll help with my hidd hacking
Dec 31 16:01:27 <ChrisXS> i wonder if obex has been hacked on
Dec 31 16:01:32 <ird> bpadalino: so it can tell how hard you're touching the screen?
Dec 31 16:01:49 <bpadalino> destinal-wirc: yeah - it's a pretty interesting diagnostic ..
Dec 31 16:01:57 <bpadalino> ird, not sure about that .. does it?
Dec 31 16:02:03 <ird> "touch level"
Dec 31 16:02:10 <ird> But it starts rising if you even get close..
Dec 31 16:02:19 <bpadalino> capacitive screens are like that
Dec 31 16:02:25 <bpadalino> don't need to touch to get it to register
Dec 31 16:02:34 <ird> that happens to me a lot.
Dec 31 16:02:49 <bpadalino> so it  may just be the level of capacitance .. nothing to do with force exerted by your finger
Dec 31 16:03:46 <tictac_> doh. hiddiag froze the pre.
Dec 31 16:04:15 <bpadalino> nah .. it kills luna, though
Dec 31 16:04:20 <bpadalino> you need to restart luna
Dec 31 16:04:28 <tlp> I take it from the news on precentral that directfb/luna project is now moot
Dec 31 16:04:35 <tlp> PuffTheMagic: you going to re-package fceu? :p
Dec 31 16:05:04 <destinal-wirc> bpadalino: yeah, a bit redundant now
Dec 31 16:05:22 <destinal-wirc> err that should have been tlp'
Dec 31 16:05:24 <tlp> ah
Dec 31 16:05:25 <bpadalino> yeah i figured :)
Dec 31 16:05:42 <tlp> glad Palm still has some surprises for us.
Dec 31 16:06:01 <tlp> SDL support is awesome.
Dec 31 16:06:17 <destinal-wirc> new year gift of sdl from palm?  :)
Dec 31 16:06:30 <tlp> haha, indeed
Dec 31 16:06:54 <destinal-wirc> thanks palm,but I didn't get you anything,oh noed
Dec 31 16:06:57 <destinal-wirc> s
Dec 31 16:06:57 <tlp> so uh, I wonder if there is an SDL terminal out there
Dec 31 16:07:01 <tlp> i.e. hardware acceleration
Dec 31 16:07:13 <ird> What's the difference between bin and sbin?
Dec 31 16:07:19 <Abyssul> zsoc never ceases to amaze
Dec 31 16:07:19 <tlp> sbin is for superuser stuff
Dec 31 16:07:20 <bpadalino> super user
Dec 31 16:07:32 <Zorin> I'd love to see a terminal app as nice as the one on Android. I was impressed by it when I saw it on my friend's Droid.
Dec 31 16:07:41 <Zorin> Not sure how hard that would be to implement.
Dec 31 16:07:47 <destinal-wirc> tlp: I have been looking at that very thing
Dec 31 16:07:52 <tlp> awesome
Dec 31 16:08:31 <destinal-wirc> terminal is partly my baby but I wouldn't mind if it were obsoleted
Dec 31 16:08:45 <tlp> yeah, it's always sad to see something go, but so is the march of progress
Dec 31 16:09:20 <Zorin> Terminal is awesome, actually. Though 99% of my usage of it is to ssh to other places
Dec 31 16:09:31 <tlp> I'm actually having some good luck with it and irssi recently
Dec 31 16:09:35 <Zorin> I have a bunch of shell scripts in ~/bin to ssh to each of my common hosts.
Dec 31 16:09:41 <tlp> wIRC doesn't work with irssi proxy, and I like having a buffer
Dec 31 16:09:52 <elpollodiablo1> Engadget has the pre and doom
Dec 31 16:10:05 <destinal-wirc> it's good enough to use, don't get me wrong,but sdldoom runs faster  :P
Dec 31 16:10:40 <Zorin> That's like saying a washing machine runs faster than a toaster oven. :)
Dec 31 16:10:41 <destinal-wirc> (than terminal)
Dec 31 16:11:10 <ericwait> atlanta, got it working, doom that is.  there is a strafe right but no strafe left :( no big deal.  thanks
Dec 31 16:11:20 <tlp> It looks like there's a library out there for creating an SDL terminal
Dec 31 16:11:30 <destinal-wirc> well the gfx performance of terminal SHOULD be as good or better than an fps
Dec 31 16:11:37 <destinal-wirc> but is not
Dec 31 16:12:57 <destinal-wirc> it's because we are rather awkwardly stuffing stuff into the browsers screen buffer rather than using a solid gfx lib
Dec 31 16:13:02 <ird> We need 4D terminal.
Dec 31 16:13:04 <Abyssul> PreCentral says Doom is in Preware, but I would beg to differ
Dec 31 16:13:11 <destinal-wirc> it is
Dec 31 16:13:14 <ird> Abyssul: it is
Dec 31 16:13:16 <Abyssul> under what?
Dec 31 16:13:25 <ird> Just list everything and type doom
Dec 31 16:13:27 <oil> under... preware
Dec 31 16:13:28 <ird> but it's under apps
Dec 31 16:13:30 <Abyssul> Ive updated feeds and searched under everything
Dec 31 16:13:39 <mdklein> omg, I just got GLES running... granted it's launched from the console, but the sdk demos compile and run.
Dec 31 16:14:54 * FreeTim3 added install and how-to-launch instructions to the DOOM page
Dec 31 16:14:57 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: nope
Dec 31 16:15:55 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: so do you know if anyone has started on an upstart service yet?  this would be a good time to have one since we haven't learned how palm intends us to start up sdl apps, but upstart would work fine for now
Dec 31 16:16:08 <perseus> anyone notice that linux apps and services installed before upgrading to 1.3.5 aren't recognized as installed by latest preware and PMS on 1.3.5?  I ran EMH to on effect
Dec 31 16:16:44 <Abyssul> Does this mean that it might be possible to put the GB emulator in a separate card instead of relying on the terminal app?
Dec 31 16:17:00 <oil> cards ftw
Dec 31 16:17:00 <FreeTim3> I am having tons of issues with the 1.3.5 more than 8 of my apps no longer work or update
Dec 31 16:17:16 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: how does an upstart service help with sdl apps.... sdl apps work in cards, there is no need to leave luna
Dec 31 16:19:55 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: no i havent started on an upstart service yet... i looked at it when I started the C services
Dec 31 16:20:07 <PuffTheMagic> it should be pretty easy
Dec 31 16:20:16 <PuffTheMagic> would be easier if upstart was newer
Dec 31 16:20:19 <Rick_work> four doom cards open at once - zsoc ftw!!
Dec 31 16:20:20 <PuffTheMagic> and included the dbus api
Dec 31 16:20:50 <Abyssul> doom still isnt showing up for me.... weird
Dec 31 16:21:32 <FreeTim3> Abyssul: Refresh your feeds. Maybe you have them set to only update once per day
Dec 31 16:21:48 <FreeTim3> It's a setting the Preware Preferences
Dec 31 16:21:54 <Abyssul> They update every time it starts
Dec 31 16:22:00 <Abyssul> and the correct feeds are turned on
Dec 31 16:24:08 <FreeTim3> Anyone else know? -for me, changing the Preware preference to update feeds is what made it show up on mine
Dec 31 16:24:50 <Abyssul> Under the WebOS-Internals feed, it only says "feed" not a link like the other feeds.
Dec 31 16:25:24 <Abyssul> Seems like that feed isnt loading right for me, I cant find terminal either
Dec 31 16:25:46 <zsoc> rick_home: lol rick. only you
Dec 31 16:25:57 <Rick_work> not only me.
Dec 31 16:26:04 <Rick_work> there's a post in precentral zsoc.
Dec 31 16:26:07 <Rick_work> You ROCK man.
Dec 31 16:26:20 <Abyssul> link?
Dec 31 16:26:52 <steveapos> lol zsoc I thought you were kidding last night before I went to sleep and I wake up and dooms all over twitter and precentral
Dec 31 16:27:14 <Rick_work> Abyssul  front page of precentral
Dec 31 16:27:18 <Rick_work> front page of engadget
Dec 31 16:27:27 <Abyssul> oh ya
Dec 31 16:27:27 <Rick_work> Zsoc RULES THE PHONE
Dec 31 16:27:36 <steveapos> getting ready to launch as we speak better have those 11tymillion frames you promised :)
Dec 31 16:27:55 <Zorin> Need to port Timidity to get music going ;)
Dec 31 16:29:03 <Zorin> The Pre runs Doom better than my 486SX/25 did back in 1993 when I first played it o.O
Dec 31 16:29:12 <steveapos> hah
Dec 31 16:31:20 <Abyssul> Is it safe to install Doom with WebOS QI?
Dec 31 16:31:42 <egaudet_work> "webOS hacker extraordinaire zsoc"
Dec 31 16:31:45 <egaudet_work> NICE!
Dec 31 16:31:49 <luwangui> hi, i'm trying to run the metadoctor under ubuntu, but i'm getting an error that says cp: cannot stat `/home/mortan/.ssh/authorized_keys': No such file or directory
Dec 31 16:31:57 * Zorin installs DOOM, but cheats and writes a shell script to launch it so he doesn't have to do so much typing.
Dec 31 16:32:09 <ird> luwangui: type ssh-keygen
Dec 31 16:32:16 <ird> then
Dec 31 16:32:43 <Abyssul> Share that script Zorin :p
Dec 31 16:32:43 <ird> Uhh..
Dec 31 16:32:54 <luwangui> it asks where to save the key
Dec 31 16:33:35 <Zorin> It's just the same lines that are in the launching instructions.
Dec 31 16:33:51 <Abyssul> Im not as skilled :p
Dec 31 16:35:01 <ird> luwangui: just hit enter
Dec 31 16:35:26 <Zorin> Abyssul: http://webos.pastebin.com/m4b24a32f
Dec 31 16:35:33 <Zorin> Not much more to it :)
Dec 31 16:35:46 <egaudet_work> 3 cd's in a row
Dec 31 16:35:53 <egaudet_work> people fear long lines :P
Dec 31 16:36:07 <Zorin> Nah, I just copypastaed because I'm lazy this morning.
Dec 31 16:36:14 <tictac_> Zorin: i did the same thing.
Dec 31 16:38:38 <Rick_work> is there any reason someone couldn't write a tiny tiny tiny doom launcher service and have a headless app call it?
Dec 31 16:39:30 <ird> Rick_work: No, go ahead :d
Dec 31 16:39:43 <Rick_work> No cross-compile chain here.
Dec 31 16:40:02 <Rick_work> need to do that.
Dec 31 16:40:05 <Abyssul> Wish we could make .sh scripts have a shortcut in the launcher, but thats a big no-no
Dec 31 16:40:25 <egaudet_work> Rick_work: wouldn't you not wanta  headless app?
Dec 31 16:40:25 <Rick_work> Abyssul, I've been thinking about that.
Dec 31 16:40:43 <Abyssul> If it was even possible, that could be a security risk, no?
Dec 31 16:40:52 <egaudet_work> oh wait nevermind I get it
Dec 31 16:41:22 <Rick_work> Abyssul  Since a db is accessable only to the app that owns it,  we could put a db in with a luna app that has a list of "preware approved binary apps"
Dec 31 16:41:52 <Abyssul> Rick_work: Now that sounds like a good idea
Dec 31 16:41:54 <Rick_work> then, have a list that says "Launch what"  and it calls the "run this script" service with the name of the script
Dec 31 16:42:02 <egaudet_work> is there any way to make a database that is not app specific?
Dec 31 16:42:11 <Rick_work> egaudet_work no
Dec 31 16:43:32 <Rick_work> so, if we had a service that would run scripts contained in a SPECIFIC directory....   and the scripts were all  xxxxxxx.preware  then we could call the file service to get *.preware, and get a list of what scripts EXISTED so we would know what binary apps had been installed...
Dec 31 16:43:41 <Rick_work> and then list those from the db.
Dec 31 16:43:54 <Rick_work> or better yet, just pull in a JSON with our "approved list"
Dec 31 16:43:58 <Rick_work> so updating is easy.
Dec 31 16:43:58 <Zorin> That sounds good.. or just a basic shell script launching app.
Dec 31 16:44:13 <Zorin> Potential security nightmare, but... then what isn't these days? :)
Dec 31 16:44:16 <Rick_work> zorin,  there's a HUGE problem with a shell script launching app.
Dec 31 16:44:20 <Rick_work> we're not going there.
Dec 31 16:44:29 <Rick_work> but we COULD make it "sort of safe."
Dec 31 16:44:36 <Rick_work> and we kind of have a reason to now.
Dec 31 16:44:57 <Abyssul> DOOM, GB emulator, and probably a few other scripts
Dec 31 16:45:02 <Rick_work> ((( By the way,  does this imply that terminal could be re-written as an sdl app easily? :-)  )))
Dec 31 16:45:16 <zsoc> egaudet: lol yes I saw that. what a joke
Dec 31 16:45:24 <Zorin> mycroft_: Are you the Mycroft I know from elsewhere?
Dec 31 16:45:28 <Zorin> It'd be a small world if you are. Heh.
Dec 31 16:45:49 <Rick_work> Abyssul  exactly, we have a list of things that would be straightforward to cross compile.   we could have a "Preware Game Pack"  out before CES.
Dec 31 16:46:08 <Rick_work> which would be nice to have on my phone there.  :-)
Dec 31 16:46:31 <mycroft_> Nope, sorry Zorin
Dec 31 16:46:55 <Zorin> Ahh, okay.
Dec 31 16:46:55 <Abyssul> I hate playing my GB games on the terminal app
Dec 31 16:46:59 <zsoc> rick_home: preware I'd going to verify signature then launch sdl apps
Dec 31 16:47:01 <Tibfib> Well done on the DOOM app guys!
Dec 31 16:47:04 <Abyssul> Cant answer phone cals and messages
Dec 31 16:47:21 <zsoc> Tibfib: palm did all the work. we're stealing their thunder ;)
Dec 31 16:47:37 <Zorin> I hope they get rolling with an official native SDK soon.
Dec 31 16:47:50 <Tibfib> It is still very impressive
Dec 31 16:47:59 <zsoc> Zorin: nah, webgl js wrapper for opengl is good enough
Dec 31 16:48:02 <Abyssul> Im pretty sure everyone knows they are presenting GPU access and flash at CES
Dec 31 16:48:08 <Zorin> This is all wonderful and fun but unless people can submit such apps into the official app catalog, it's only ever going to be for us geeks.
Dec 31 16:48:09 <Abyssul> If not, it will be disappointing
Dec 31 16:49:09 <Tibfib> Yeah, Palm has the potential to announce great stuff, or they will fall on their faces
Dec 31 16:49:10 <Rick_work> Zorin, app catalog binary is coming.
Dec 31 16:49:21 <Zorin> I wouldn't be surprised if Classic were ported to use SDL soon. It'd be a lot more responsive and capable.
Dec 31 16:49:25 <chezbi> hey guys i was wondering how to add the webos-internals irc chat room into the wIRC app on the pre
Dec 31 16:49:31 <Rick_work> the infrastructure has to be there first.
Dec 31 16:49:48 <Zorin> Even stuff like wIRC can't be in the official app catalog yet.
Dec 31 16:50:23 <Rick_work> Zorin,  patience.
Dec 31 16:50:41 <Rick_work> ok, there's an sdl of gameboy.
Dec 31 16:50:52 <Abyssul> WHERE?
Dec 31 16:51:06 <chezbi> anyone?
Dec 31 16:51:06 <Tibfib> Game Boy emulator would be Sweeeeat
Dec 31 16:51:06 <zsoc> rick_home: all emulators have sdl ports
Dec 31 16:51:21 <Abyssul> Tibfib, we have one. Its just limited
Dec 31 16:51:29 <Zorin> I'm patient. I got the Pre because I am. I love being on a platform and seeing it grow up around me. Was like that with OS X and now with the Pre :)
Dec 31 16:51:41 <Rick_work> zsoc  how much effort to cross compile each one?
Dec 31 16:51:59 <Tibfib> Abyssul: Yeah, I'm waiting for one that's a bit easier to set up...hah
Dec 31 16:52:03 <egaudet_work> Rick_work: there is a very interesting way that auto-correct edit runs pre-packed scripts from it's own jar
Dec 31 16:52:18 <zsoc> rick_home: I forsee porting with minimal effort for simple stuff like gb and nes, snes gets more complicated with audio issues
Dec 31 16:52:28 <zsoc> I want to get psx working ;)
Dec 31 16:52:40 <egaudet_work> it would be possible to pre-pack into the jar service the games, but then again that would mean updating the service for any new one
Dec 31 16:52:41 <Rick_work> zsoc, is there an sdl of stella?   I'm old.
Dec 31 16:52:44 <ird> zsoc: ff7 on the pre would own
Dec 31 16:52:49 <Tibfib> Or like that amazing guy off youtube, PS3 working!
Dec 31 16:53:11 <ird> Tibfib: the guy that looks like he lives in LA?
Dec 31 16:53:14 <Rick_work> egaudet_work  yea, but we would have to update for each new game anyway using the paradigm I was talking about.
Dec 31 16:53:32 <Abyssul> chezbi: Go to Server Information and hit the "Advanced" button. Go down to Perform on Connect and type in "/join #webos-internals"
Dec 31 16:53:48 <Rick_work> egaudet_work  that's a VERY good idea actually, it's very safe.  If the link to the game isn't in the service, you can't run it.
Dec 31 16:53:54 <Tibfib> ird: I dont remember... I didnt watch all of the vid... It was easy to tell it was fake
Dec 31 16:53:55 <Abyssul> chezbi: Also hit auto-connect on Yes
Dec 31 16:54:09 <egaudet_work> yep
Dec 31 16:54:22 <Abyssul> Chezbi: Make sure the server address is irc.freenode.net as well
Dec 31 16:54:40 <egaudet_work> the script is packed right out of the jar so it's safe that you can't overwrite the script either, unless you re-pack the jar with it
Dec 31 16:55:01 <Rick_work> this sounds like a good idea.
Dec 31 16:55:54 <chezbi> thanks Abyssul!!!!
Dec 31 16:55:56 <Rick_work> So you pack each startup script into the jar, and then the luna app shows a list of scripts (which it gets each time it's updated too with a new json)  and then just calls the right script out of the jar which calls the app.
Dec 31 16:56:47 <Rick_work> or, if the app isn't installed, returns a fail to the launcher, and the launcher says "you haven't installed doom yet."
Dec 31 16:56:52 <Abyssul> Are we just theorizing here or is this actually going to turn into a project?
Dec 31 16:57:05 <Rick_work> Design discussion.
Dec 31 16:57:17 <Rick_work> can't start writing code until you have a design that is safe and rational
Dec 31 16:59:21 <zsoc> rick_home: seriously, just let preware launch it :>
Dec 31 16:59:52 <Rick_work> zsoc:  seriously?  Add a new thing in preware to launch binary apps?
Dec 31 17:00:08 <Rick_work> So I have to set through the feed updating every time I want to run doom?
Dec 31 17:00:14 <Rick_work> zsoc,  I don't think so.
Dec 31 17:01:41 <Abyssul> Ahhh its Jay
Dec 31 17:01:49 <JayCanuck> hi Abyssul
Dec 31 17:01:56 <Rick_work> JayCanuck
Dec 31 17:01:57 <zsoc> rick_home: only sdl. rod wants it. we can verify sig
Dec 31 17:02:21 <JayCanuck> I'm browsin the web while I work through watchin the blu ray sets I got for xmas, lol
Dec 31 17:02:32 <Rick_work> zsoc -- it's a wrong-headed way to go.
Dec 31 17:02:40 <Rick_work> and aren't you up kinda late?
Dec 31 17:02:54 <Rick_work> (or early?)
Dec 31 17:02:58 <JayCanuck> Rick_work, ya talkin to me?
Dec 31 17:03:09 <Rick_work> just ment to say hi
Dec 31 17:03:12 <JayCanuck> ;)
Dec 31 17:03:14 <JayCanuck> hi
Dec 31 17:03:30 <JayCanuck> 11:03am here
Dec 31 17:03:49 <JayCanuck> I'm on to Xmen Origins Wolverine, lol, next up Bones season 4, lol, long day
Dec 31 17:04:05 <en0x> i watched couple days back
Dec 31 17:04:05 <zsoc> JayCanuck: season 4 was good
Dec 31 17:04:09 <en0x> xmen origins wolverine
Dec 31 17:04:16 <en0x> in hd of course
Dec 31 17:04:16 <en0x> ;')
Dec 31 17:04:29 <JayCanuck> Gambit ftw, though I wish they did Deadpool right
Dec 31 17:05:40 <JayCanuck> so how is everyone today?
Dec 31 17:06:32 <Abyssul> How do you change the keyboard layout of Doom?
Dec 31 17:06:37 <egaudet_work> JayCanuck: did you figure out your patch issues?
Dec 31 17:06:41 <Abyssul> Its set up funky
Dec 31 17:08:49 <en0x> probably u will have to remap them
Dec 31 17:09:15 <Abyssul> Yea, Im trying to find out how
Dec 31 17:13:53 <Abyssul> meh i give up lol
Dec 31 17:15:17 <jacques> doom made engadget. nice.
Dec 31 17:15:26 <luwangui> so.. i bricked my pre
Dec 31 17:15:35 <luwangui> metadoc didn't work :/
Dec 31 17:16:40 <El_Matarife> What version of SDL is including in 1.3.5? A few buddies and I were having a discussion and I was wondering
Dec 31 17:16:48 <Abyssul> How do you make the UI show up in Doom?
Dec 31 17:17:01 <Abyssul> I dont have hte health and crap on the bottom
Dec 31 17:17:04 <Abyssul> or the green border
Dec 31 17:17:42 <zsoc> El_Matarife: uh... 1.2.1..8..er..3 something
Dec 31 17:18:16 <zsoc> Abyssul: you somehow resized the screen. try orange+s (minus symbol)
Dec 31 17:18:17 <El_Matarife> Interesting because from my understand, multi-pointer support is only in the 1.3 development tree
Dec 31 17:18:55 <Abyssul> how do you make it bigger? lol
Dec 31 17:19:06 <Abyssul> nvm got it
Dec 31 17:21:44 <zsoc> El_Matarife: 1.2.13
Dec 31 17:22:08 <El_Matarife> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/finger/finger.pl?user=icculus&date=2007-10-07&section=sdl13 was the proposed feature list for 1.3 ~2 years ago
Dec 31 17:22:52 <El_Matarife> If Palm grafted true multipointer support on to the stable branch of 1.2 I'll be impressed and hopefully the SDL guys will take it upstream into their repos
Dec 31 17:24:06 <mdklein> so I got the demo apps from the opengl-es sdk "running"... sadly it's not like sdl, so it fights with luna... it's really pretty until you tap the screen and then the two battle for who is on top... quite the flicker... :-/
Dec 31 17:24:32 <Zorin> mdklein: How's the GL performance though?
Dec 31 17:24:36 <mdklein> great
Dec 31 17:24:39 <El_Matarife> Also you really should announce your Doom port achievement to their mailing list http://lists.libsdl.org/listinfo.cgi/sdl-libsdl.org
Dec 31 17:24:57 <mdklein> I mean, I'm just running the demo apps from the sdk, but it's smooth
Dec 31 17:25:15 <Zorin> I'd love to see someone run GLQuake on the Pre :)
Dec 31 17:25:57 <jacques> anyone done a FPS comparison between the old debian chroot/directfb doom and the new SDL one?
Dec 31 17:26:22 <Abyssul> idk why lol, this new doom runs soo smoothly lol
Dec 31 17:26:37 <Abyssul> +1 for Quake
Dec 31 17:26:39 <glorifiedg> aaarrggghhh I hate youuuu! I want doom too :( Lol
Dec 31 17:26:42 <Zorin> Abyssul: The Pre has a very fast CPU.
Dec 31 17:26:59 <Zorin> It only has seemed sluggish lately because of new, unoptimized code. Palm's been working hard to speed things up and it shows in 1.3.5
Dec 31 17:27:01 <en0x> is there some kind of prog that will run a gpu benchmarks?
Dec 31 17:27:02 <en0x> :>
Dec 31 17:27:09 <Abyssul> I know  Zorin
Dec 31 17:27:17 <Abyssul> and also the GPU is still being enabled
Dec 31 17:27:31 <El_Matarife> There's not many good open source synthetic benchmark suites
Dec 31 17:27:39 <jacques> I'm very happy with the UI speed increase in 1.3.5
Dec 31 17:27:42 <glorifiedg> I'm wondering if someone is wiling to take a look on using gnuboy and nes emu with the gpu support
Dec 31 17:27:52 <El_Matarife> the most popular ones are pretty much Windows / PC only and I don't know if any of them have an SDL backend
Dec 31 17:28:19 <jacques> glorifiedg: don't worry. I predict within a week.
Dec 31 17:28:22 <mdklein> hah, I ran a gl demo too long and luna restarted cause it thought it haung
Dec 31 17:28:29 <El_Matarife> But if you email the Phoronix guys suggesting an article I'm sure they will come up with something: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home
Dec 31 17:28:44 <jacques> mdklein: watchdog?
Dec 31 17:29:46 <mdklein> not sure what triggered it
Dec 31 17:29:56 <mdklein> OGLES2Skybox is only using like 6% cpu
Dec 31 17:30:55 <glorifiedg> jacques: :) contra with acceptable fps :) can't wait 1.3.5 being released in europe so I can stick my pre in my iphone friends eyes! eheeh
Dec 31 17:31:04 <en0x> lol
Dec 31 17:31:09 <en0x> iphone is done
Dec 31 17:31:17 <en0x> nothing interesting with it for last 3 yrs
Dec 31 17:31:21 <en0x> except new hardware
Dec 31 17:31:26 <en0x> look didnt changed
Dec 31 17:31:28 <en0x> gui too
Dec 31 17:31:35 <en0x> but as u know
Dec 31 17:31:39 <en0x> steve knows better
Dec 31 17:31:51 <en0x> and he is a thief
Dec 31 17:32:07 <en0x> did u heard about the patents war between nokia and apple?
Dec 31 17:32:07 <en0x> :>
Dec 31 17:32:11 <Zorin> I'm really glad I didn't cave and get an iPhone
Dec 31 17:32:18 <Abyssul> IM sure all they will do is add multitasking
Dec 31 17:32:19 <jacques> me too
Dec 31 17:32:29 <jacques> I seriously considered it
Dec 31 17:32:29 <Zorin> It's an okay phone, but artificially limited in what it can do, and Apple is too much of a control freak over it.
Dec 31 17:32:34 <glorifiedg> hehehe
Dec 31 17:32:43 <en0x> i was considering iphone too
Dec 31 17:32:48 <en0x> but the lack of hw keyboard
Dec 31 17:32:48 <Zorin> And I own two Macs, and run OS X full time. So I *like* some Apple products, just not the iPhone.
Dec 31 17:33:07 <egaudet_work> zsoc: where's the doom script in git
Dec 31 17:33:10 <jacques> Zorin: 24" imac here :-) love it (but it runs linux 95% time now)
Dec 31 17:33:13 <Abyssul> I just cant wait for the next hardware version of the Pre
Dec 31 17:33:24 <Abyssul> To tell the truth, the Pre was poorly built
Dec 31 17:33:26 <glorifiedg> I was too but then I was looking to acer liquid...
Dec 31 17:33:42 <glorifiedg> palm is not very known in portugal
Dec 31 17:33:43 <zsoc> egaudet: no idea. rod did it. I slept
Dec 31 17:33:46 <Zorin> I have my Linux server for anything I need Linux for. It works out well
Dec 31 17:34:23 <Zorin> The Pre is very well built I think. It's tough. My friend has dropped his multiple times and it still works fine. I think the people on their "5th and 6th Pres" are abusing their hardware.
Dec 31 17:34:29 <egaudet_work> what does the script do
Dec 31 17:34:30 <Zorin> And of course they won't admit it.
Dec 31 17:34:33 <zsoc> hmm
Dec 31 17:34:39 <zsoc> I can't scroll up
Dec 31 17:34:44 <jacques> I'm going to get a 27" core i7 imac as soon as they get the bugs worked out
Dec 31 17:34:54 <egaudet_work> I'm on my 4th or 5th pre but I don't abuse the hardware
Dec 31 17:34:55 <Zorin> I've only dropped mine once, but it was like two feet onto asphalt so it wasn't that bad. Tiny scuff.
Dec 31 17:34:57 <egaudet_work> I just got unlucky
Dec 31 17:35:16 <Zorin> Maybe when they replace defective Pres, they give you refurb Pres that might have issues?
Dec 31 17:35:20 <Abyssul> I wish it was just made of more sturdy plastic and the slider was better built
Dec 31 17:35:26 <egaudet_work> first one came with blown speaker, next 2 touchscreen mysteriously just stopped working
Dec 31 17:35:41 <jacques> slider is my only complaint, well the keyboard could be better, esp the space key
Dec 31 17:35:52 <egaudet_work> and this last one they gave me is a terrible refurb, but I'll deal with it for a while :p
Dec 31 17:35:59 <zsoc> hmm. ok I messed up my touch screen somehow.
Dec 31 17:36:03 <Abyssul> Im on my third
Dec 31 17:36:10 <Abyssul> but I broke my first two lol
Dec 31 17:36:13 <glorifiedg> I have one of the 3 pre's that exist in Portugal. here there is like an iphone fever. abyssul: agreed. the back cover is noisy and oreo effect is awfull... but I like it anyway
Dec 31 17:36:15 <Zorin> I'm on my first release day Pre
Dec 31 17:36:18 <bhern> you need to stop jumping up and down on them
Dec 31 17:36:42 <Zorin> I haven't exactly babied it either, aside from making sure the screen doesn't get scratched
Dec 31 17:36:47 <Abyssul> Its not a oreo effect, its just not stable
Dec 31 17:37:01 <glorifiedg> I love that every time I'm typing on my phone everyone is  looking and commenting: owo what is that shit? very nice!
Dec 31 17:37:03 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: we have to START the programs somehow
Dec 31 17:37:12 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: thus upstart
Dec 31 17:37:26 <PuffTheMagic> that does not need upstart
Dec 31 17:37:28 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: right now people have to shell out and run them by hand
Dec 31 17:37:28 <zsoc> I have found a wonderful bug
Dec 31 17:37:53 <Abyssul> IS that good or bad zsoc?
Dec 31 17:37:56 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: I want to be able to start them from mojo and that needs a service or plugin.
Dec 31 17:38:03 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: upstart is not the answer for that
Dec 31 17:38:05 <zsoc> Abyssul: well it's not a feature
Dec 31 17:38:10 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: upstart would provide a nice standard mechanism for distributing start scripts
Dec 31 17:38:12 <PuffTheMagic> not saying an upstart service wouldnt be use ful
Dec 31 17:38:21 <PuffTheMagic> but its not the right mechanism for starting sdl apps
Dec 31 17:38:23 <JayCanuck> destinal,  I'm workin on a service as we speak
Dec 31 17:38:25 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: why not?
Dec 31 17:38:38 <zsoc> brb
Dec 31 17:38:39 <Abyssul> JayCanuck: whats it do?
Dec 31 17:38:41 <PuffTheMagic> its overkill
Dec 31 17:38:45 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: you distribute a mojo app that calls the service to start your script
Dec 31 17:38:59 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: and upstart comes with built in security
Dec 31 17:39:03 <JayCanuck> can be used by mojo service request to launch sdl appds
Dec 31 17:39:07 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: you can only start jobs the system already trusts
Dec 31 17:39:07 <PuffTheMagic> there is no security in upstart
Dec 31 17:39:30 <JayCanuck> idealy put into app-assistant.js in a sort of stub app so it'll appear in the launcher
Dec 31 17:39:49 <destinal-work> JayCanuck: exactly
Dec 31 17:39:49 <PuffTheMagic> just run them in cards and call it a day
Dec 31 17:40:04 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: how do you run the binary?
Dec 31 17:40:56 <navinag_> Hey guys i get the following error while trying to run doom.  I had SDL from puff installed before..wonding if that hosed me....http://webos.pastebin.com/m2e7bdaeb
Dec 31 17:41:01 <navinag_> any thoughts
Dec 31 17:41:53 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: idk, havent thought about it... buf there is no security involved with starting a binary via upstart
Dec 31 17:42:01 <Abyssul> I wouldnt know, but have you tryed restarting navinag_?
Dec 31 17:42:06 <glorifiedg> JayCanuck: do you ever sleep?! you're the best
Dec 31 17:42:08 <El_Matarife> zsoc, a guy in #sdl is going to announce the SDL port to WebOS on their mailing list unless you would like the honors
Dec 31 17:42:14 <en0x> navinag_, looks like ther is no /dev/fb1
Dec 31 17:42:55 <navinag_> en0x: how do i fix it?
Dec 31 17:43:03 <oilsworkn> JayCanuck doesn't sleep?
Dec 31 17:43:10 <glorifiedg> no
Dec 31 17:43:12 <glorifiedg> lol
Dec 31 17:43:20 <oilsworkn> that could be problematic
Dec 31 17:43:25 <JayCanuck> oilsworkn! hi
Dec 31 17:43:28 <oilsworkn> unless he's a robot and someone mucked with the power settings
Dec 31 17:43:43 <oilsworkn> set it to "Always On"
Dec 31 17:43:47 <glorifiedg> It seems so sometimes
Dec 31 17:43:55 <en0x> navinag_, idk... some other guy is webos doctoring
Dec 31 17:43:58 <glorifiedg> :)
Dec 31 17:44:02 <en0x> navinag_, looks like ur kernel wasn't updated
Dec 31 17:44:05 <oilsworkn> JayCanuck: yeah, i saw your im this morning, but was late for work
Dec 31 17:44:09 <oilsworkn> so i didn't respond
Dec 31 17:44:14 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 31 17:44:22 <JayCanuck> and now you're workin ;)
Dec 31 17:44:27 <oilsworkn> well
Dec 31 17:44:27 <oilsworkn> no boss
Dec 31 17:44:39 <oilsworkn> so, not a whole ton of workin
Dec 31 17:44:42 <navinag_> en0x: i was able to run the web 3d demo
Dec 31 17:45:15 <oilsworkn> hell, no boss for the next two weeks
Dec 31 17:45:17 <navinag_> anyway to for a 1.3.5 re-update?
Dec 31 17:45:25 <navinag_> force 1.3.5 re-update?
Dec 31 17:45:56 <en0x> u cant force  :S
Dec 31 17:46:00 <bpadalino> webos doctor ?
Dec 31 17:46:04 <navinag_> en0x: can i look for the Sdl command?
Dec 31 17:46:05 <en0x> navinag_, web 3d demo is different
Dec 31 17:46:06 <en0x> :P
Dec 31 17:46:10 <navinag_> ahhhh
Dec 31 17:46:10 <Zorin> Repair utility with the doctor?
Dec 31 17:46:17 <navinag_> ahhh
Dec 31 17:46:21 <Zorin> Has anyone tried the repair utility with the 1.3.5 doctor yet?
Dec 31 17:46:22 <navinag_> is the repai out
Dec 31 17:46:23 <navinag_> ?
Dec 31 17:46:50 <en0x> ye
Dec 31 17:46:55 <en0x> no
Dec 31 17:47:00 <navinag_> JayCanuk: is the repair utility out with 1.3.5 yet
Dec 31 17:47:02 <en0x> shit
Dec 31 17:47:55 <oilsworkn> doesn't jasons repair utility work as soon as the new doctor is released?
Dec 31 17:50:48 <Zorin> I wonder how well the Pre would run DOSbox.
Dec 31 17:50:59 <en0x> iu want nfs!
Dec 31 17:51:03 <Zorin> Instant huge game library
Dec 31 17:51:50 <oilsworkn> scorched earth!
Dec 31 17:52:29 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: destinal-work, see above idea about packing the script inside a service for security
Dec 31 17:52:49 <PuffTheMagic> im not getting involved with this
Dec 31 17:52:53 <PuffTheMagic> i have too much shit to do
Dec 31 17:52:58 <jacques> sigh, I confused firefox - biab
Dec 31 17:53:00 <PuffTheMagic> but u can def come up with a better way to do this
Dec 31 17:53:18 <PuffTheMagic> i have an idea actually
Dec 31 17:53:34 <PuffTheMagic> since the sdl app has to be rebuild to use the mojo card
Dec 31 17:53:40 <destinal-work> glorifiedg: you can probably run 1.3.5 in europe on GSM NOW with a modified doctor.
Dec 31 17:53:47 <PuffTheMagic> it could be built as a .so
Dec 31 17:54:03 <PuffTheMagic> and a "sdl app" service could use dlopen
Dec 31 17:54:12 <PuffTheMagic> to load apps from a directory
Dec 31 17:54:12 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: ugh
Dec 31 17:54:14 <PuffTheMagic> sorta like a rom
Dec 31 17:54:28 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: I see where you're going, it's just pretty complex
Dec 31 17:54:40 <PuffTheMagic> use inotify to monitor a folder
Dec 31 17:54:45 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: and palm has their own way to do this already planned that will supercede ours
Dec 31 17:54:47 <PuffTheMagic> so u can tell when new games are added
Dec 31 17:55:04 <PuffTheMagic> they are planning on sdl games?
Dec 31 17:55:10 <egaudet_work> so what is the process of running an sdl game right now?
Dec 31 17:55:10 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: need for speed
Dec 31 17:55:19 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: they made this SDL library for pre and luna, not us
Dec 31 17:55:46 <destinal-work> they just gave us the library a little earlier than the games are ready
Dec 31 17:55:47 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work: running the command from terminal
Dec 31 17:55:59 <zsoc> ok this is very bad
Dec 31 17:56:02 <glorifiedg> destinal-work: yeahhh! but I think I'll wait 'cause I have pharmacology exam on monday and I need to study badlyyy :(
Dec 31 17:56:05 <zsoc> my phone super crashed
Dec 31 17:56:14 <oilsworkn> cause of doom?
Dec 31 17:56:14 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 31 17:56:16 <zsoc> and the icon for wirc is gone D:
Dec 31 17:56:31 <oilsworkn> sadness
Dec 31 17:56:34 <Abyssul> where are the key maps for Doom?
Dec 31 17:56:36 <zsoc> why just wirc? big square box
Dec 31 17:56:41 <oilsworkn> oh
Dec 31 17:56:45 <oilsworkn> that means it can't load the icon
Dec 31 17:56:48 <zsoc> Abyssul: somewhere in the source
Dec 31 17:56:54 <oilsworkn> the box is the "broken image" of webos
Dec 31 17:56:57 <zsoc> oilsworkn: I think part of my ssd is bad
Dec 31 17:56:57 <jacques> Abyssul: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/221888-doom-7.html#post2119194
Dec 31 17:57:00 <Abyssul> I figured that lol, I cant find it in the source lol
Dec 31 17:57:20 <Abyssul> jacques: I mean like, to change the keys in-game
Dec 31 17:57:39 <oilsworkn> lolol
Dec 31 17:57:43 <jacques> Abyssul: sorry, I read too fast
Dec 31 17:57:43 <oilsworkn> what do you think this is, a finished product?
Dec 31 17:57:57 <Abyssul> jacques: No problem
Dec 31 17:58:13 <egaudet_work> is the doom that I run a binary or a script?
Dec 31 17:58:26 <zsoc> egaudet_work: binary
Dec 31 17:58:31 <Rick_work> binary
Dec 31 17:58:41 <zsoc> it has a super hack in it
Dec 31 17:58:47 <Zorin> So when a binary opens up the SDL library, it kicks Luna into generating a new card for it automatically? No further hackage required?
Dec 31 17:59:02 <Rick_work> Zorin - sort of yeah.
Dec 31 17:59:05 <zsoc> Zorin: sort of backwards, but basically
Dec 31 17:59:21 <zsoc> terminal in 135 has serious issues
Dec 31 17:59:31 <Zorin> This has a lot of interesting possibilities
Dec 31 18:00:07 <egaudet_work> so this sdl running service can just have a service request that says "run sdl appid", makes sure it's signed, and runs appid/appid
Dec 31 18:00:16 <Rick_work> so, anyone know of an SDL terminal app?  :-)
Dec 31 18:00:21 <El_Matarife> http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2009-December/074153.html
Dec 31 18:00:56 <zsoc> egaudet_work: sortof a hack still, but sure. better tho is to actually run a C sdl hook. see the sdl application developer guide
Dec 31 18:01:09 <egaudet_work> yea C service
Dec 31 18:02:01 <mdklein> I just brain dumped to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL
Dec 31 18:02:10 <mdklein> time for lunch
Dec 31 18:02:28 <egaudet_work> I'm tired of patches, I want to work on fun stuff! :P
Dec 31 18:02:35 <zsoc> El_Matarife: is that the sdl mailing list?
Dec 31 18:02:41 <El_Matarife> Yeah
Dec 31 18:02:43 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work: wirc awaits
Dec 31 18:02:46 <oilsworkn> XD
Dec 31 18:02:58 <El_Matarife> Sorry for stealing your thunder but that guy wanted it up ASAP
Dec 31 18:03:10 <oilsworkn> what guy?
Dec 31 18:03:33 <El_Matarife> Bill Kendrick
Dec 31 18:03:55 <zsoc> I was in #sdl yesterday, seemed dead :)
Dec 31 18:04:16 <El_Matarife> Ah well, its somewhat alive today
Dec 31 18:04:26 <oilsworkn> his hack woke the beast?
Dec 31 18:04:50 <El_Matarife> Results have a tendency to do that
Dec 31 18:05:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 31 18:05:13 <El_Matarife> I'm sure the guys that see that are probably thinking "App goldrush for the Pre"
Dec 31 18:05:33 <El_Matarife> If SDL turns out to be the Palm official way of doing things
Dec 31 18:06:02 <egaudet_work> it has to
Dec 31 18:06:10 <El_Matarife> I certainly am thinking it, but playing OpenTTD or FreeCiv on my phone is going to be badass
Dec 31 18:06:16 <egaudet_work> they didn't waste all that effort putting in for us to mess with
Dec 31 18:06:49 <El_Matarife> Well, WebGL or LuaGL still seems possible to me
Dec 31 18:07:26 <Rick_work> this kinda proves that the need for speed app video was real.  :-)
Dec 31 18:07:40 <Zorin> Well they do have the browser plugin architecture but it's *slow*
Dec 31 18:07:41 <zsoc> I don't see native sdl being used for anything past homebrew
Dec 31 18:08:10 <egaudet_work> how much does need for speed go for on iphone?
Dec 31 18:08:15 <Zorin> zsoc: Why not? This opens the way for good quality gaming on the Pre. Why wouldn't Palm take advantage of that?
Dec 31 18:08:58 <zsoc> Zorin: an opengl js wrapper opens uip the way for good quality gaming, and current devs can use it without knowing that sdl or egl is
Dec 31 18:09:40 <oilsworkn> i love how the comments to the pc post include "so zsoc, how about that viewfinder now?"
Dec 31 18:09:42 <Zorin> True, but there is no planet on which javascript is as fast as natively compiled code.
Dec 31 18:09:56 <jmart> howdy everyone, i am having some trouble with preware...it looks like optware and webos-internals are not loading properly...can anyone tell me the code to get them to load in preware?
Dec 31 18:10:02 <zsoc> oilsworkn: viewfinder should work now
Dec 31 18:10:06 <jmart> loading package manager service again didn't seem to fix
Dec 31 18:10:11 <Abyssul> jmart: reinstall Preware and package manager
Dec 31 18:10:24 <oilsworkn> zsoc: oh?
Dec 31 18:10:46 <zsoc> oilsworkn: audio still doesn't work. the dsp encoder is crap
Dec 31 18:11:29 <Zorin> Pre gaming will never be as good as iPhone gaming if devs can't write native code. It's just the way things are...
Dec 31 18:11:39 <egaudet_work> viewfinder works?
Dec 31 18:11:49 <egaudet_work> stops to record though?
Dec 31 18:11:55 <Abyssul> Im pretty sure we will get native code
Dec 31 18:12:15 <jmart> abyssul: i tried to do that before, but i couldn't remove them previously via WOSQI, but now i can for some reason...i'll try it
Dec 31 18:12:15 <egaudet_work> there's no doubt about it in my mind
Dec 31 18:12:24 <oilsworkn> im pretty sure once we get native sdk from palm, people will find something else to bitch about :)
Dec 31 18:13:01 <Zorin> Well that's always a given oilsworkn
Dec 31 18:21:18 <jacques> indeed.
Dec 31 18:23:16 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 31 18:23:19 <jtee> is there any need for terminal service plugin any more?
Dec 31 18:23:31 <Rick_work> yes jtee
Dec 31 18:23:38 <Rick_work> it's the binary for terminal
Dec 31 18:23:45 <jtee> it seems that terminal works without it
Dec 31 18:23:50 <Abyssul> if you want terminal to work, then I would suggest installing it :p
Dec 31 18:24:06 <jtee> when terminal is installed via preware, is it installed automatically?
Dec 31 18:24:30 <oilsworkn> yes
Dec 31 18:24:33 <oilsworkn> rather
Dec 31 18:24:35 <oilsworkn> should be*
Dec 31 18:24:38 * jtee must have had it somehow
Dec 31 18:24:56 <egaudet_work> terminal -can't- work without it
Dec 31 18:25:12 <jtee> why are they both listed in preware as available downloads then?
Dec 31 18:25:26 <egaudet_work> when did you install them?
Dec 31 18:25:47 <jtee> at various times... that's likely why
Dec 31 18:26:15 <jtee> does the current terminal download include the binary component?
Dec 31 18:26:26 <oilsworkn> they're two seperate packages
Dec 31 18:26:31 <jtee> (of course i could just try it and see)
Dec 31 18:26:40 <oilsworkn> but preware will see that the app is dependent on the plugin and install the plugin first
Dec 31 18:27:14 <jtee> nice ipkg ....
Dec 31 18:34:42 <Guest4390> hello is anyone here?
Dec 31 18:35:44 <bpadalino> yes
Dec 31 18:36:07 <Guest4390> hi, I'm having trouble loading preware
Dec 31 18:36:26 <Guest4390> the bar gets stuck at loading prethemer
Dec 31 18:36:31 <Smubeht> when i try to cd to cryptofs it gives me an error
Dec 31 18:36:48 <Smubeht> any ideas?
Dec 31 18:37:34 <jtee> Smubeht, whats the error?
Dec 31 18:37:46 <Smubeht> cant cd to /cryptofs
Dec 31 18:37:48 <Guest4390> sorry I can't see what you said because I'm using irc on the pre and there is blue txt overlappoinf lol
Dec 31 18:38:21 <jtee> Smubeht, try cd /media/cryptofs
Dec 31 18:38:32 <Smubeht> i already cd to media
Dec 31 18:38:43 <egaudet_work> you can't cd to /cryptofs because it doesn't exist
Dec 31 18:38:48 <jtee> pwd responds with /media?
Dec 31 18:38:52 <egaudet_work> the / = root directory
Dec 31 18:38:54 <oilsworkn> its cd /media
Dec 31 18:38:57 <oilsworkn> cd cryptofs
Dec 31 18:39:20 <Smubeht> gotcha
Dec 31 18:39:20 <Smubeht> thanks
Dec 31 18:39:20 <Smubeht> that worked
Dec 31 18:39:23 <Smubeht> the whole path one didnt owrk
Dec 31 18:39:23 <jtee> Smubeht, what does 'pwd' respond with?
Dec 31 18:39:25 <jtee> ok
Dec 31 18:39:27 <Smubeht> pwd?
Dec 31 18:39:28 <DiscreetControl> ummm... top shows 2 users... who shows 2 root users... cat /etc/passwd shows nobody /noneexistant : /bin/sh... normal?
Dec 31 18:39:30 <egaudet_work> cd /media/cryptofs
Dec 31 18:39:33 <egaudet_work> would work
Dec 31 18:39:38 <jtee> that's the whole path
Dec 31 18:39:42 <jtee> and it should work
Dec 31 18:39:54 <egaudet_work> paths can be relative without a preceding / or absolute with the preceding /
Dec 31 18:40:02 <Guest4390> sry, did anyone reply regarding my issue? Can see chat now
Dec 31 18:40:29 <egaudet_work> did you try to appmenu->manage feeds and disable prethemer feed
Dec 31 18:40:49 <Guest4390> yes I did
Dec 31 18:41:10 <egaudet_work> then update feeds
Dec 31 18:41:35 <Guest4390> yes I did try that after
Dec 31 18:41:58 <jtee> prethemer taking about 10 seconds here...
Dec 31 18:42:47 <Guest4390> my phone has always occasionally loaded and not loaded but not for this long
Dec 31 18:42:52 <jtee> ah haa... removing and reinstalling terminal and terminal plugin does indeed pick up the dependancy (must have missed that)
Dec 31 18:43:52 <DiscreetControl> what are you guys getting for user count in top command in terminal?
Dec 31 18:43:58 <oilsworkn> 7
Dec 31 18:43:59 <jtee> sometimes i just kill off the preware card and reload it and thing are fine... other times a restart helps
Dec 31 18:44:21 <egaudet_work> if the prethemer feed is off you shouldn't see it loading it at all
Dec 31 18:44:49 * jtee thinks he might as well turn it off as he doesn't even use themes
Dec 31 18:44:57 <Zorin> Since turning off the theme feeds, Preware starts up right quick.
Dec 31 18:45:02 <Guest4390> anhm perhaps I didn't turn it off properly
Dec 31 18:45:20 <DiscreetControl> oilsworkn, and what are you getting with who command
Dec 31 18:45:31 <egaudet_work> alright i'll bbl, they're letting us out early
Dec 31 18:45:38 <egaudet_work> happy new year if I don't come back!
Dec 31 18:46:11 <Abyssul> Yea, I turn off the Theme feeds and it loads 2x faster
Dec 31 18:46:19 <Abyssul> Crapload of themes out there to load
Dec 31 18:46:26 <DiscreetControl> I've got 2 root users with who
Dec 31 18:46:44 <Guest4390> sorry, how do I turn off the feed then?
Dec 31 18:47:01 <Rick_work> in the preferences menu
Dec 31 18:47:06 <Guest4390> I must have mistaken it for the auto update
Dec 31 18:47:23 <DiscreetControl> goto menu-manage feeds
Dec 31 18:47:33 <PuffTheMagic> MetaDoctor gui preview -> http://omploader.org/vMzRrbA
Dec 31 18:47:37 <oilsworkn> DiscreetControl: i was joking
Dec 31 18:48:05 <oilsworkn> that penguin doesn't seem to be wearing a lab coat riding a unicorn?
Dec 31 18:48:14 <zsoc> aren't they all
Dec 31 18:48:38 <DiscreetControl> O.o
Dec 31 18:49:10 <Guest4390> I only see an option for udate feeds and setting it to manually, am I in the wrong menu?
Dec 31 18:49:12 <jmart> Abyssul, thanks i finally got it to work
Dec 31 18:49:26 <oilsworkn> Guest4390: in the top right of that scene, click "FEEDS"
Dec 31 18:50:09 <Guest4390> ok got to feeds menu, thanks
Dec 31 18:50:42 <oilsworkn> oh its newyears tomorrow
Dec 31 18:50:47 <oilsworkn> thats why people are leaving early
Dec 31 18:51:32 <jtee> is there an 'escape' key sequence in terminal?
Dec 31 18:51:47 <PuffTheMagic> :( no one cares about the metadoctor :(
Dec 31 18:51:50 <jettero> orange space
Dec 31 18:51:56 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: u get anywhere with that icon
Dec 31 18:52:02 <jettero> it's listed in non-obvious keys (upper left menu)
Dec 31 18:52:08 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: i've never doctored my phone in the first place
Dec 31 18:52:26 <oilsworkn> with no need for the meta doctor, cause i don't need to bypass activation
Dec 31 18:52:26 <jettero> where is backslash in terminal... that one's beyond my skill level. :)
Dec 31 18:52:50 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: if u doctor you can start off with preware installed and usbnet enabled :D
Dec 31 18:52:51 <oilsworkn> backslash?
Dec 31 18:53:05 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: but my phone works fine
Dec 31 18:53:13 <jacques> PuffTheMagic: cool
Dec 31 18:53:52 <oilsworkn> i wonder, has zsoc done anything yet that hasn't been wildly popular right out of the gate?
Dec 31 18:53:59 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i find it hard to believe you have never doctored your pre.... i think everyone has
Dec 31 18:54:14 <oilsworkn> i blink and the doom thread is up to 8 pages
Dec 31 18:54:23 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: never have
Dec 31 18:54:27 <oilsworkn> ever
Dec 31 18:54:34 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: is that doom in card?
Dec 31 18:54:38 <zsoc> oilsworkn: I am a media whore
Dec 31 18:54:41 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 31 18:54:45 <oilsworkn> (to both)
Dec 31 18:54:50 <Smubeht> heh
Dec 31 18:54:50 <jtee> jettero, cool... thanks
Dec 31 18:54:50 <Smubeht> is it possible to paste multiple lines into terminal
Dec 31 18:54:50 <Smubeht> btw awesome work u guys
Dec 31 18:54:52 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: oh by the way I made doom in a card
Dec 31 18:54:58 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: lol
Dec 31 18:55:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 31 18:55:12 <Smubeht> i got it up..didnt really play much but just checked it out..awesome is all i have to say
Dec 31 18:55:13 * oilsworkn wouldn't have installed it unless it was in a card
Dec 31 18:55:22 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: so i have to make a sdl game launcher service now huh
Dec 31 18:55:24 <oilsworkn> you got it up?
Dec 31 18:55:28 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: you will quickly discover I didn't do much, but keep it a sekret
Dec 31 18:55:31 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: and we need a spec for sdl game .so's
Dec 31 18:55:31 <oilsworkn> was a little blue pill involved?
Dec 31 18:55:32 <Smubeht> oilsworkn were u talking to me? about the yeah?
Dec 31 18:55:45 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: well considering ameng had it working months ago.....
Dec 31 18:55:53 <oilsworkn> Smubeht: no?
Dec 31 18:55:57 <Smubeht> oh ok
Dec 31 18:55:59 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 31 18:56:09 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: no it's hardware accelerated
Dec 31 18:56:33 <oilsworkn> it is?
Dec 31 18:56:34 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: which is only now possible since 1.3.5
Dec 31 18:57:04 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: we don't need .so's
Dec 31 18:57:06 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: new fb driver in new kernel. sdl luna integration, open gl es libs
Dec 31 18:57:11 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: standalone binaries are fine
Dec 31 18:57:21 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: that was all palm. I had to type 'make' tho.
Dec 31 18:57:31 <oilsworkn> zsoc is pro
Dec 31 18:57:35 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 31 18:57:39 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: standalone binaries ftl!
Dec 31 18:57:56 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: you would love the sdl developers guide. it's like 10 pages.
Dec 31 18:57:56 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: why?
Dec 31 18:58:03 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i've done sdl before
Dec 31 18:58:03 <zsoc> oilsworkn: I'm pro at webosing
Dec 31 18:58:21 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: ENGADGET CALLED ME AN ELITE WEBOS HACKER!!!
Dec 31 18:58:22 <destinal-work> I just don't get what you want to do in .so's
Dec 31 18:58:26 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i can make windows sdl apps with my mingw toolchain
Dec 31 18:58:38 <oilsworkn> well, then it must be true, engadet is never wrong...?
Dec 31 18:58:39 <bpadalino> 1337
Dec 31 18:58:51 <destinal-work> zsoc: you are eleet hax0r for compiling doom!
Dec 31 18:58:56 <oilsworkn> and i almost typed egaudet there
Dec 31 18:58:57 <zsoc> 31337
Dec 31 18:59:08 <zsoc> supa31337
Dec 31 18:59:14 <oilsworkn> "so zsoc, how did you do it?"
Dec 31 18:59:15 <zsoc> ah... I'm under a desk.
Dec 31 18:59:19 <oilsworkn> "well first i downloaded it"
Dec 31 18:59:21 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: i dont want to make anything that allows running random binaries, which is essentially the case if you use upstart to start the games
Dec 31 18:59:23 <oilsworkn> "then i typed..."
Dec 31 18:59:25 <oilsworkn> "... make"
Dec 31 18:59:34 <dsevil> hi all
Dec 31 18:59:37 <oilsworkn> "amazing!"
Dec 31 18:59:51 * dsevil did some troubleshooting on why app catalog friendsbook fails to install for some... http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2119443&posted=1#post2119443
Dec 31 18:59:55 <zsoc> oilsworkn: hey now I has to set environmental variables.
Dec 31 19:00:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 31 19:00:05 <zsoc> no actually sdl-config does that
Dec 31 19:00:20 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: what?  how can you not run random binaries, this is designed to support random binaries
Dec 31 19:00:33 <PuffTheMagic> huh?
Dec 31 19:00:43 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: you were the one that brought up security
Dec 31 19:00:52 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: yeah, but upstart provides that
Dec 31 19:00:57 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: no... it doesnt
Dec 31 19:01:00 <destinal-work> if you can write new upstart scripts, you already won
Dec 31 19:01:05 <oilsworkn> security schemurity
Dec 31 19:01:09 <oilsworkn> look how well windows has done
Dec 31 19:01:15 <Mousey> uh
Dec 31 19:01:16 <oilsworkn> :)
Dec 31 19:01:23 <destinal-work> you don't need pretty graphics if you already have root
Dec 31 19:01:27 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: using upstart in this way is no different that having the arbitrary command service back
Dec 31 19:01:37 <PuffTheMagic> s/that/than/
Dec 31 19:01:37 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: destinal-work: using upstart in this way is no different than having the arbitrary command service back
Dec 31 19:01:47 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: no, because the upstart script only works out of event.d
Dec 31 19:02:06 <destinal-work> and sure any program can start anything in there but not with arguments and they have to have already been prepared
Dec 31 19:02:08 <destinal-work> to be run
Dec 31 19:02:23 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: all they have to do is dump a file in event.d and run it
Dec 31 19:02:28 <PuffTheMagic> that is not secure at all!
Dec 31 19:02:38 <destinal-work> if you can dump a file in event.d you already own the box
Dec 31 19:02:39 <destinal-work> game over
Dec 31 19:02:39 <zsoc> I am on a very high shelf
Dec 31 19:02:55 <zsoc> I am batman
Dec 31 19:02:57 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: a postinst can do it easily
Dec 31 19:03:09 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: yes, a postinst can do anything
Dec 31 19:03:21 <destinal-work> make your pre tap dance, reprogram it to be a bomb detonator
Dec 31 19:03:28 <destinal-work> make it call the president
Dec 31 19:04:03 <zsoc> I am all the bar maker
Dec 31 19:04:23 <oilsworkn> the bar maker?
Dec 31 19:04:45 <oilsworkn> setter?
Dec 31 19:04:45 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: so why not wrap the game in a .so that contains some metadata... then new game ipks can just install games to a special directory, then have 1 gui mojo app that acts as a manager/launcher which calls dlopen on it then executes the code
Dec 31 19:05:16 * oilsworkn thinks AM would like puffs method
Dec 31 19:05:33 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: I was thinking let doom's mojo app call a service to call doom's upstart
Dec 31 19:05:34 <zsoc> lets do it both ways an see who throws more strawberrys
Dec 31 19:05:42 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: what feed is this doom shit in?
Dec 31 19:05:54 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: webos-internals 135
Dec 31 19:06:05 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 31 19:06:13 <oilsworkn> though, manually installing it seems easier
Dec 31 19:06:24 <PuffTheMagic> plus maybe we can sign the so
Dec 31 19:06:27 <oilsworkn> most of the posts in the doom thread are "now what is my cd doing toi the what?
Dec 31 19:06:45 <oilsworkn> not being able to figure out how to change directories consistantly
Dec 31 19:07:11 <destinal-work> sigh, what's more secure about .so's?  and we're going to be signing all apps on the feed
Dec 31 19:07:38 <destinal-work> I prefer not to make a new launcher also
Dec 31 19:07:44 <destinal-work> just let the icon do it
Dec 31 19:07:49 <oilsworkn> destinal-work: btw: at some point in the past, im pretty sure i pushed more code to the terminal app
Dec 31 19:08:00 <oilsworkn> to spawn the keyhelper scene in a new card
Dec 31 19:08:07 <oilsworkn> as to not destroy the current session
Dec 31 19:08:17 <destinal-work> oilsworkn: that sounds familiar
Dec 31 19:08:26 <oilsworkn> but i dont think anyone has tested it or anything
Dec 31 19:09:11 <zsoc> destinal-work: go make sdl friendly term gogogogogogo
Dec 31 19:09:29 <oilsworkn> hm
Dec 31 19:09:29 <jtee> tiny script to launch doom is easy too
Dec 31 19:09:32 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: i still dont get the point of upstart
Dec 31 19:09:45 <oilsworkn> but sdl is not as good as plugin IMO
Dec 31 19:09:50 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: in general there are tons of SDL apps already in existence
Dec 31 19:09:51 <oilsworkn> you don't get any mojo-stuff
Dec 31 19:09:54 <Mousey> upstart, the new init
Dec 31 19:10:00 <oilsworkn> like, being able to be launched from, you know, the launcher
Dec 31 19:10:03 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: and they all need to be rebuilt to run in a card
Dec 31 19:10:06 <oilsworkn> acess to the app menu
Dec 31 19:10:11 <PuffTheMagic> its not like we can just drop the binary on the box and run
Dec 31 19:10:12 <oilsworkn> all that good mojo stuff
Dec 31 19:10:14 <PuffTheMagic> i beleive
Dec 31 19:10:20 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: I think that's exactly what we can do
Dec 31 19:10:26 <destinal-work> zsoc: isn't that right?
Dec 31 19:10:44 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: not if they are hardcoded to use a X11 surface
Dec 31 19:10:48 <PuffTheMagic> or a DirectFB surface
Dec 31 19:10:51 <Rick_work> oilsworkn  i expect to see all the good mojo stuff when we get the first EA game from palm.  Then we can duplicate it, and package doom that way.
Dec 31 19:10:56 <Rick_work> and all the other sdl games.
Dec 31 19:11:01 <oilsworkn> right
Dec 31 19:11:05 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: neither
Dec 31 19:11:13 <oilsworkn> right now, its really hackish geekery
Dec 31 19:11:21 <PuffTheMagic> geekery
Dec 31 19:11:23 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Dec 31 19:11:41 <destinal-work> oilsworkn: well, we can make tons of SDL apps work without mojo in the meantime
Dec 31 19:11:42 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: sdl calls a virtual surface on window I'd NULL. framebufer driver + luna hook does the rest
Dec 31 19:11:47 <Rick_work> oilsworkn  and I honestly expect to see some of that next week  -- I think there are some further hidden hooks inside framework we haven't found yet.
Dec 31 19:11:52 <zsoc> i'd=ID
Dec 31 19:11:54 <destinal-work> Rick_work: no sense waiting for EA
Dec 31 19:12:03 <destinal-work> Rick_work: we'll change it when Need for speed et al come out
Dec 31 19:12:07 <Rick_work> destinal-work  I know I know,  I need to diff framework.
Dec 31 19:12:10 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i dont believe all games are setup that way
Dec 31 19:12:26 <oilsworkn> we need to see how palm would launch it/etc
Dec 31 19:12:32 <oilsworkn> so we can do that same thing
Dec 31 19:12:39 <destinal-work> oilsworkn: I just think we should do our own thing for now
Dec 31 19:12:41 <Rick_work> and that's inside luna.
Dec 31 19:12:51 <destinal-work> oilsworkn: and then switch it to the official API later
Dec 31 19:12:53 <Rick_work> and I think there's hidden calls in luna we aren't yet knowing about.  '
Dec 31 19:12:54 <oilsworkn> destinal-work: i don't disagree
Dec 31 19:13:02 <Rick_work> me either destinal-work
Dec 31 19:13:06 <Rick_work> just speculating
Dec 31 19:13:13 <destinal-work> and my upstart idea follows the KISS principle
Dec 31 19:13:19 <destinal-work> and really doesn't sacrifice security IMO
Dec 31 19:13:21 <Rick_work> but for NOW,  I think we need an sdl launcher app.
Dec 31 19:13:30 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: not yet.
Dec 31 19:13:31 <oilsworkn> i would be nice if zsoc could hurry up and figure it all out, being an elite webos hacker and all
Dec 31 19:13:31 <destinal-work> oh no, I downloaded a malicious app that started a defined service in upstart
Dec 31 19:13:38 <oilsworkn> before we make our own way to launch them
Dec 31 19:13:55 <oilsworkn> though im thinking its more difficult then "make"
Dec 31 19:13:56 <oilsworkn> :)
Dec 31 19:13:59 <destinal-work> since this is a short term solution
Dec 31 19:14:01 <PuffTheMagic> did I miss something, did Palm officially say we are gonna get EA games in the next year?
Dec 31 19:14:04 <destinal-work> upstart makes a lot of sense
Dec 31 19:14:09 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  no
Dec 31 19:14:13 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: we've all seen the need for speed video
Dec 31 19:14:16 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: it's not that far off
Dec 31 19:14:23 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  but we know the need-for-speed video was real.
Dec 31 19:14:24 <oilsworkn> oh, someone sprayed some smelly shit in the office
Dec 31 19:14:26 <oilsworkn> and its in my mouth
Dec 31 19:14:31 <Rick_work> that's a firm official leak.
Dec 31 19:14:49 <destinal-work> Rick_work: it looked to real not to be, in the first place.
Dec 31 19:14:51 <destinal-work> s/to/too/
Dec 31 19:14:53 <infobot> destinal-work meant: Rick_work: it looked too real not to be, in the first place.
Dec 31 19:15:17 <oilsworkn> destinal-work: then the 135 catalog matching exactly what was in that screenshot
Dec 31 19:15:36 <destinal-work> sure, and all along it referencing Nova version 1.3.x
Dec 31 19:15:40 <yetdog> the catalog match was a slam dunk
Dec 31 19:15:55 <destinal-work> nobody would reference nova except internal folks I figured since it's not well known in the webos uberhaxor community
Dec 31 19:16:10 * oilsworkn wonders is zsoc knew about it
Dec 31 19:16:39 <oilsworkn> XD
Dec 31 19:17:28 <destinal-work> In the future all cool apps should have nova in front of their names since nova is a cooler way of saying the webos platform.  so, novadoom and novaquake and novavnc etc :)
Dec 31 19:18:02 <oilsworkn> nIRC?
Dec 31 19:18:13 <Rick_work> Mitch should have been more consistant with his codenames
Dec 31 19:18:20 <Rick_work> Mojo, Luna, Nova.  No theme.
Dec 31 19:18:45 <oilsworkn> luna and nova are both in space?
Dec 31 19:19:02 <ird> Should have been MOJO JO JO
Dec 31 19:19:12 <destinal-work> lol
Dec 31 19:19:16 <oilsworkn> mojo is what austin powers lost?
Dec 31 19:19:25 <oilsworkn> and austin powers went to space in one of the movies, right?
Dec 31 19:19:30 <oilsworkn> so, there is the connection
Dec 31 19:19:36 <oilsworkn> :)
Dec 31 19:19:42 <destinal-work> oilsworkn: *highfive*
Dec 31 19:20:21 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: SDL ones are
Dec 31 19:22:55 <Rick_work> Moona, Luna, Tuna ...
Dec 31 19:28:50 <oilsworkn> pre articles on engadet always spark such flames
Dec 31 19:29:11 <Abyssul_> I love to read theme oilsworkn
Dec 31 19:29:13 <Abyssul_> them*
Dec 31 19:29:39 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 31 19:30:02 <oilsworkn> there used to be that one guy who would post that massive list of things he thought was wrong with the pre
Dec 31 19:30:05 <oilsworkn> on every pre article
Dec 31 19:30:08 <oilsworkn> it was really funny
Dec 31 19:30:29 <oilsworkn> it was like 60 items long
Dec 31 19:36:13 <Rick_work> I could come up with WAY more than 60.
Dec 31 19:36:20 <Rick_work> the phone is too large
Dec 31 19:36:24 <Rick_work> the phone is too small
Dec 31 19:36:28 <Rick_work> they keys are too stiff
Dec 31 19:36:32 <Rick_work> the keys are soft.
Dec 31 19:38:16 <Abyssul_> The phone turns on
Dec 31 19:45:00 <oilsworkn> most of it was things he thought was a con that is really a pro for everyone else
Dec 31 19:45:04 <oilsworkn> like, a physical keyboard
Dec 31 19:45:16 <oilsworkn> and not being locked into itunes
Dec 31 19:46:23 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i dont see it in preware
Dec 31 19:46:28 <FreeTim3> He was employed by Blackberry then?
Dec 31 19:46:46 <FreeTim3> I'd be highly suspicious :)
Dec 31 19:49:24 <oilsworkn> he always got "lowest ranked" whenever he would posty
Dec 31 19:49:26 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: then you're doing it wrong. turn on regular feed? not testing
Dec 31 19:49:27 <oilsworkn> i just thought it was funny
Dec 31 19:50:25 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i have all webos feeds enabled
Dec 31 19:50:32 <zsoc> 1 sec
Dec 31 19:55:22 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: does it require the latest ipkgservice?
Dec 31 19:55:47 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: it's at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.sdldoom_1.1.0_armv7.ipk
Dec 31 19:56:01 <destinal-work> ditto armv6 for pixi
Dec 31 19:56:01 <Zorin> People just need to accept that not everything is perfect and to focus on the good things
Dec 31 19:56:04 <PuffTheMagic> wow, preware is messed up
Dec 31 19:56:09 <PuffTheMagic> after 1.3.5 came out
Dec 31 19:56:09 <Zorin> It's a Linux box in my pocket. WIN. Next!
Dec 31 19:56:12 <PuffTheMagic> i removed all my patches
Dec 31 19:56:18 <PuffTheMagic> then installed like 19 of them after the update
Dec 31 19:56:26 <PuffTheMagic> and it has no record of anything being installed
Dec 31 19:56:26 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: I doctored 1.3.2 and OTA'd 1.3.5
Dec 31 19:56:40 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: lol you need to run the migration helper and restart luna
Dec 31 19:56:40 <destinal-work> I figured breakages would happen and wanted to avoid
Dec 31 19:56:48 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: that fixes all
Dec 31 19:57:04 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: it was all working fine
Dec 31 19:57:15 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: everything moved from /var to /media/cryptofs/apps
Dec 31 19:57:31 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: yeah i know
Dec 31 19:57:34 <PuffTheMagic> i had 1.3.5 beta
Dec 31 19:57:38 <zsoc> oh
Dec 31 19:57:39 <PuffTheMagic> everything was working
Dec 31 19:57:40 <zsoc> right
Dec 31 19:57:52 <zsoc> yeah the final release was pretty problemsome
Dec 31 19:58:03 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Dec 31 19:58:38 <PuffTheMagic> i need to buy cases of beer for tonight
Dec 31 19:58:39 <PuffTheMagic> bbs
Dec 31 19:59:05 <mikewx> cases? awesome
Dec 31 19:59:15 <Rick_work> why is tonight different than any other night?
Dec 31 19:59:49 <PuffTheMagic> mikewx: yeah cases, me and my buddy can kill a case of sam adams winter lagger pretty quick
Dec 31 19:59:51 <PuffTheMagic> no a normal night
Dec 31 20:00:10 <mikewx> impressive
Dec 31 20:00:40 <Rick_work> hmmm    I had beer once.   I didn't like it.
Dec 31 20:00:59 <Zorin> It's 12/31, tonight you're supposed to get drunk out of your mind until you pass out, then wake up and not remember what you did last night. :)
Dec 31 20:02:48 <chron__> (Y) ditto
Dec 31 20:04:23 <zsoc> bah.
Dec 31 20:05:51 <egaudet_> Start each year with a hangover and the year can only get better from there :P
Dec 31 20:06:44 <Zorin> If you were under 18 when you first tried beer and "didn't like it" you need to try it again. Beer tastes better as you get older. It makes no sense but it's true.
Dec 31 20:07:37 <yetdog> zorin speaks the truth
Dec 31 20:08:11 <destinal-work> Zorin: actually I think it's the taste for sweets we acquire somewhere in the middle of our childhood that ruins most peoples taste on it
Dec 31 20:09:08 <destinal-work> Zorin: the other possibility if you don't like beer is that you're drinking bad beer.  you can't judge all pizza based on domino's.
Dec 31 20:09:22 <Smubeht> dominos is good
Dec 31 20:09:23 <Smubeht> =P
Dec 31 20:09:36 <Zorin> Yeah Domino's isn't bad anymore. I was surprised.
Dec 31 20:09:39 <destinal-work> Smubeht: ok, then you can't judge all cheeseburgers based on mcdonalds
Dec 31 20:10:00 <Smubeht> and beer is nasty..but ppl(including myself) drink it to get hammered..then many of those who drink it to get hammered end up not minding it on occasion without being hammered..then they start to like it
Dec 31 20:10:05 <destinal-work> dominos sucked when I was a kid, I haven't gone back
Dec 31 20:10:12 <Rick_work> there's also the problem that I have had that response to every alcoholic drink I've ever tasted.  Beer tastes like soda with bitters and laquer thinner.
Dec 31 20:10:16 <Smubeht> mcdonalds is awesome as well
Dec 31 20:10:44 <Smubeht> im more a liquor person..will be enjoying some nice scotch tonight
Dec 31 20:10:51 <destinal-work> Rick_work: drink much laquer thinner?
Dec 31 20:10:58 <Smubeht> but in the same token i enjoyed the taste when i first drank it when i was younger
Dec 31 20:11:11 <Rick_work> I get similar responses to wines.  Dry grape juice plus laquer thinner.  Blech.
Dec 31 20:11:21 <Smubeht> the only reason i do occasionally drink beer is when im looking to get hammered(at least when i was in college) its a helluva lot cheaper
Dec 31 20:11:49 <Smubeht> and when black label costs like 60$ in nyc for a 750 ml and u can get like 3 24 packs for that..well cost effectiveness
Dec 31 20:11:49 <Zorin> A few martinis are much more pleasant if you just want to get hammered. Beer is too filling
Dec 31 20:12:00 <destinal-work> Rick_work: some people have actually differently wired brains and have different senses, I know someone for whom pepperoni has no taste and a lot of tastes come across differently to her
Dec 31 20:12:15 <Smubeht> was never a gin person
Dec 31 20:12:15 <Smubeht> find it worse than beer
Dec 31 20:12:15 <Smubeht> haha
Dec 31 20:12:43 <jacques> interesting
Dec 31 20:13:12 <Rick_work> nodnod.  And as for being drunk, I've had a lot of experiance with various narcotics saddly, and I can say that the moment that I start to lose an edge, and get a little mentally fuzzy, I panic.   I hate  that feeling.  So drunk never had an appeal either.
Dec 31 20:13:20 <Rick_work> so, put it together an I'm a cheap date.
Dec 31 20:13:59 <Smubeht> lol
Dec 31 20:18:13 <zsoc> rick_home: wanna go out?
Dec 31 20:18:36 <Rick_work> not really.  :-)
Dec 31 20:18:41 <FreeTim3> I get drunk on Palm Pre apps... I download them until I'm dizzy and happy
Dec 31 20:18:45 <zsoc> :p
Dec 31 20:19:48 <Rick_work> my wife and I are going to to the range tommorow,  a friend is bringing "a big bag of guns"  and we're going to try a bunch of different ways to make little pieces of metal go thataway very very fast.   The local IDPA club is having a pot-luck.
Dec 31 20:21:08 <Zorin> Might be hitting the range with friends myself tomorrow
Dec 31 20:21:40 <Rick_work> my wife is trying to decide on a new pistol.  He hands are arthritic and she can't handle recoil like she used to, but she still wants something small enough to conceal easily.   -- pretty much settled on Walther's new pk380, but she's going to try shooting one tommorow.
Dec 31 20:21:40 <Zorin> One of them wants to sell me a .357 mag. I'm interested but want to give it a try before I say yes
Dec 31 20:21:43 * jacques downloads the precentral palmcast.
Dec 31 20:22:22 <Zorin> Call me old fashioned, but I like revolvers
Dec 31 20:22:40 <egaudet_> Smubeht: you buy cheap beer to get hammered and wonder why you don't like it :P
Dec 31 20:22:41 <jacques> .45ACP FTW
Dec 31 20:22:46 <egaudet_> shoulda just got some cheap vodka
Dec 31 20:23:31 <Rick_work> 45's are just too expensive to shoot, even if you reload.
Dec 31 20:23:49 <Zorin> If I get a semiauto it'd probably be the Glock 19
Dec 31 20:23:53 * jacques reloads.
Dec 31 20:24:01 <Rick_work> plus, small frame 45's hurt your hands, and full size 1911's are hard to conceal.
Dec 31 20:24:18 <Rick_work> I -love- shooting 1911's,  but I sure as hell won't carry one.
Dec 31 20:24:20 <jacques> I love my lightweight officer's ACP
Dec 31 20:24:26 <Rick_work> hmmmm
Dec 31 20:24:30 <FreeTim3> I load my Pre with apps.  I fire SMS text messages.  I geo-cache.  Watch OUT !
Dec 31 20:25:01 <Zorin> I sent text messages without long-ass delays switching between people like before. 1.3.5 wins
Dec 31 20:25:25 <Rick_work> we reload 9mm,  and if sherry gets the 380, then that's a new set of dies.
Dec 31 20:25:39 <jacques> when I'm feeling thrifty, I shoot .22
Dec 31 20:25:46 <jacques> almost as much fun
Dec 31 20:26:18 <Rick_work> it is fun.  We went out yesterday and let a friend's daughter have her first time with a .22 revolver.
Dec 31 20:26:50 <Rick_work> had a box of "primer only" rounds for her to start with, then went to 22longs.  She had fun.
Dec 31 20:27:28 <Zorin> Well that was strange.
Dec 31 20:27:50 <Zorin> My Pre fell off the Wifi network even though it kept showing the icon as being connected. I had to turn wifi off and back on to get it back on.
Dec 31 20:29:16 <Rick_work> when the SDK will not install because it says that it can't find the applicaton in the database and rolls back when it's almost done.  What is the solution?   I know I've read this.
Dec 31 20:31:44 <Zorin> Bingo.. the DHCP lease expired. I wonder why the Pre didn't just renew it though.
Dec 31 20:33:57 <Mousey> i wonder why pre won't use my internal DNS
Dec 31 20:33:58 * Mousey cries
Dec 31 20:38:13 <jettero> resolv.conf uses 127.0.0.1 ...
Dec 31 20:38:21 <jettero> you could set that to 8.8.8.8 or whatever, in rw mode
Dec 31 20:38:27 <jettero> it'd screw up your roaming though
Dec 31 20:38:45 <jettero> the dhclient3 from isc doesn't seem to know about palm's internal caching...
Dec 31 20:40:20 <destinal-work> Rick_work: can you buy them primer only or do you have to reload to make them?
Dec 31 20:42:14 <jettero> wow, the 4x4 patch is neato
Dec 31 20:42:21 <jettero> so now I have two patches installed
Dec 31 20:43:36 <ird> I have like...
Dec 31 20:43:38 <ird> 20
Dec 31 20:43:40 <ird> or less
Dec 31 20:45:06 <Flashpass> nice job on getting Doom to work guys :)
Dec 31 20:47:31 <destinal-work> thanks.  still kind of a demo program IMO, I can't play it well with the tiny keys on the pre's keyboard at a 90 degree angle anyway (though some may be way better than I am)
Dec 31 20:51:42 <PuffTheMagic> awww i had to call an audible on the beer cases
Dec 31 20:51:55 <PuffTheMagic> i saw Seirra Nevada Anniversary IPA
Dec 31 20:51:59 <PuffTheMagic> had to get it
Dec 31 20:54:14 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: yeah I hear you, SN anniversary is quite tasty and a must for new year.  think I'll grab some also
Dec 31 20:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: their celebration ale sucked this year
Dec 31 20:55:30 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: they came out with kellerweis recently, which is very nice hefeweizen.
Dec 31 20:56:01 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: im not a huge wheat beer fan
Dec 31 20:56:02 <destinal-work> I convinced the liquor store by my house to stock it
Dec 31 20:56:06 <Flashpass> +destinal-work: Yeah I know what you mean, but I care more that it just works than actually playing the game haha - i've played doom enough in my life
Dec 31 20:56:08 <PuffTheMagic> there are only a few that i like
Dec 31 20:56:18 <PuffTheMagic> winter lagger being one
Dec 31 20:56:25 <PuffTheMagic> souther tier 422 ale
Dec 31 20:56:32 <PuffTheMagic> blue moon
Dec 31 20:56:53 <PuffTheMagic> i cant do those tripple's and hefeweizen's
Dec 31 20:57:04 <destinal-work> Flashpass: yeah, doom is kind of a rite of passage for a platform these days
Dec 31 20:57:19 <oil> so zsoc|away, where is my sdl snes emu?
Dec 31 20:57:39 <destinal-work> oil: I was looking at it, it looks like snes9x exists in SDL form somewhere
Dec 31 20:57:41 <PuffTheMagic> did zsoc get controlls working properly?
Dec 31 20:57:49 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work: fecux
Dec 31 20:57:53 <PuffTheMagic> is the nes emu
Dec 31 20:58:13 <destinal-work> ok, I guess we could start NES and move up to SNES  :)
Dec 31 20:58:15 <sampson> man you guys make me want to get preware fixed on my phone
Dec 31 20:58:23 <sampson> how about onscreen joystick first? :D
Dec 31 20:58:26 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Dec 31 20:58:29 <Flashpass> haha
Dec 31 20:58:34 <oil> snes then move down to nes
Dec 31 20:58:36 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: how about ps3 controller support
Dec 31 20:58:37 <PuffTheMagic> over bt
Dec 31 20:58:38 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 31 20:58:40 <PuffTheMagic> and wii mote
Dec 31 20:58:42 <PuffTheMagic> support
Dec 31 20:58:43 <destinal-work> sampson: you're gonna want to break out your wiimote
Dec 31 20:58:50 <destinal-work> and yes, I'm looking at that too
Dec 31 20:58:51 <sampson> haha
Dec 31 20:59:02 <PuffTheMagic> ps3 controller ftw!
Dec 31 20:59:17 <oil> it needs onscreen controls
Dec 31 20:59:19 <Flashpass> its too bad, so many options and things you can do, but everyone is just always too busy haha
Dec 31 20:59:22 <destinal-work> http://code.google.com/p/btstack/
Dec 31 20:59:46 <destinal-work> that needs ported I guess
Dec 31 21:01:59 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: the way I did key mapping was bogus, I patched the library I compiled against
Dec 31 21:02:03 <zsoc> gotta fix that
Dec 31 21:02:30 <rwhitby> zsoc, destinal-work: did you laugh or cry at the video ?
Dec 31 21:02:53 <zsoc> rwhitby: an old guy playing doom? I refused to watch it
Dec 31 21:03:02 * zsoc or I've been busy at work
Dec 31 21:03:08 <oil> what video?
Dec 31 21:03:34 <zsoc> oil: rod playing doom
Dec 31 21:03:42 <oil> link?
Dec 31 21:04:09 <destinal-work> rwhitby: lol, it was awesome -- you play way better than I do, that keyboard makes it rather tricky
Dec 31 21:04:53 <zsoc> I am leet at doom
Dec 31 21:04:57 <sampson> FUCK YOU SQL
Dec 31 21:04:58 <sampson> I WIN
Dec 31 21:04:59 <Flashpass> so how good can the graphics on the Pre get you think? like what could it's console equivelant be?
Dec 31 21:05:01 * sampson fist pump
Dec 31 21:05:19 <zsoc> Flashpass: n64
Dec 31 21:05:36 <destinal-work> Flashpass: this good
Dec 31 21:05:37 <destinal-work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCVnxXvEAPo&feature=player_embedded
Dec 31 21:05:42 <zsoc> psx should be easy
Dec 31 21:05:46 <jacques> hmm, I wonder how many hoops I'd have to jump through to watch the video
Dec 31 21:06:20 <jacques> oh I forgot, I still need to listen to the palmcast I downloaded
Dec 31 21:06:25 <Frozenbinary> Hey guys
Dec 31 21:06:25 <Flashpass> interesting
Dec 31 21:06:37 <rwhitby> jacques: I'm listening to that now.
Dec 31 21:06:43 <Flashpass> how would that compare to something like the psp? similar?
Dec 31 21:07:02 <Frozenbinary> This page doesn't quite format right on my pre
Dec 31 21:07:47 * jacques tries to remember what app he uses to play mp3s
Dec 31 21:07:54 <Flashpass> NFS looks pretty good, from what i could tell with the fuzzy video hehe
Dec 31 21:08:10 <Frozenbinary> .
Dec 31 21:08:45 <jacques> Flashpass: I think the PSP and Pre have very similar processors
Dec 31 21:09:02 <Frozenbinary> Who knows what files I need to chmod x so my phone doesn't reprovision when I upgrade software?
Dec 31 21:09:27 <jacques> Flashpass: oops never mind looks like I was remembering something completely different
Dec 31 21:10:15 <destinal-work> rwhitby: you didn't need to break out ares, you could have just made an app with an index.html if text was all you wanted :)
Dec 31 21:11:08 <destinal-work> of course ares was probably really fast to whip that off
Dec 31 21:11:29 <Flashpass> jacques: the psp has a 333mhz processor doesn't it?
Dec 31 21:12:40 <MiX-MaN_> i should run the EPR thing in WOSQI before I update to 1.3.5 right? i think i remember reading that somewhere
Dec 31 21:13:03 <Frozenbinary> anywhats epr
Dec 31 21:13:05 <rwhitby> destinal-work: I tried that, but couldn't get it to work in 10 minutes, so I did an app in Ares in the next 15 minutes.
Dec 31 21:13:27 <jacques> Flashpass: yeah but the PSP is MIPS architecture
Dec 31 21:13:27 <Frozenbinary> Mixman what's epr
Dec 31 21:13:32 <rwhitby> it was getting close to when I had to release :-)
Dec 31 21:13:38 <destinal-work> rwhitby: I think if you'd used the palm-generate and edit the text it would have been fast
Dec 31 21:13:43 <MiX-MaN_> Frozenbinary: emergency patch recovery i think...
Dec 31 21:13:56 <MiX-MaN_> resets to defaults or something not sure :P
Dec 31 21:14:04 <Frozenbinary> Oh. I am about to upgrade too but I'm running a modded meid
Dec 31 21:14:24 <Frozenbinary> And tryin to disable execution of the provisioning files
Dec 31 21:14:39 <MiX-MaN> taking forever to download a 15~ meg update
Dec 31 21:15:14 <Frozenbinary> I'm still on 1.03
Dec 31 21:16:57 <Flashpass> jacques: what architecture does the pre use?
Dec 31 21:17:22 <Wahots> doom on webos = very kick ass
Dec 31 21:18:05 <jacques> OK so that's four police cars and three fire vehicles that I've seen going into the mall with lights and sirens :-\
Dec 31 21:18:20 <zsoc> Flashpass: arm
Dec 31 21:18:45 <Wahots> nice work zsoc :)
Dec 31 21:19:37 <Frozenbinary> I wanna play doom
Dec 31 21:19:46 <Frozenbinary> But I gotta upgrade lol
Dec 31 21:20:21 <Smubeht> lol jacques where u from?
Dec 31 21:20:23 <Wahots> it plays flawless, just wish strafe keys were bound :)
Dec 31 21:20:49 <destinal-work> zsoc: where are keybindings handled?
Dec 31 21:21:01 <jacques> Smubeht: I'm in Texas
Dec 31 21:21:17 <Smubeht> haha bush probably fired some guns
Dec 31 21:21:18 <jacques> Smubeht: near Houston
Dec 31 21:22:00 <jacques> police are planning some big things for tonight here
Dec 31 21:22:13 <jacques> on the way home I saw a neat trap they'd set up
Dec 31 21:22:21 <Smubeht> haha im from nj..not venturing to the city today..since its just going to be crazy..
Dec 31 21:22:35 <Smubeht> doing a little local shindig
Dec 31 21:22:42 <Smubeht> will be fun..without the hassle
Dec 31 21:23:34 <zsoc> destinal-work: I bound the keys in the library I compiled against, not the source
Dec 31 21:23:41 <jacques> hmm, some ppl just flagged down the fire marshall right outside my window
Dec 31 21:23:42 <jacques> not sure what's going on
Dec 31 21:24:10 <destinal-work> zsoc: eh?
Dec 31 21:24:27 <tlp> I wish Palm would just uncomment their LED notification toggle already... seems to work just fine.
Dec 31 21:25:00 <tlp> I expect it every release
Dec 31 21:25:04 <Smubeht> lol
Dec 31 21:25:08 <Smubeht> dont expect it and it will come
Dec 31 21:25:11 <tlp> :p
Dec 31 21:25:16 <MiX-MaN> :D
Dec 31 21:25:35 <MiX-MaN> oh hell.. then gpu will never come then :/
Dec 31 21:25:37 <Smubeht> its the way stuff works..80% of the forums were like omg sprint has it wrong update isnt coming today..and voila..
Dec 31 21:25:40 <jacques> I never expected 1.3.5 would have opengl and sdl
Dec 31 21:25:44 <Smubeht> it came when it did
Dec 31 21:25:52 <Smubeht> so u just gotta be like omg its never coming..and poof
Dec 31 21:25:58 <MiX-MaN> i read the update on the site they found some files that are the groundworkings for the gpu stuff :P
Dec 31 21:25:59 <tlp> they should start committing patches (with good licenses/functionality) too.
Dec 31 21:26:01 <jacques> I figured that would be at 1.4.0
Dec 31 21:26:09 <MiX-MaN> now im expecting it soon.. great :\
Dec 31 21:26:18 <tlp> like the character counter, etc.
Dec 31 21:26:33 <MiX-MaN> i'll be lucky if i can even get the update going
Dec 31 21:26:34 <BoBoYsDaDDa> with gpu will they do the video recorder?
Dec 31 21:26:39 <MiX-MaN> seems like its stuck on unpacking now
Dec 31 21:26:41 <tlp> GPU isn't necessary for that
Dec 31 21:26:52 <tlp> I'm not sure what their hold up is. The Pre is already capable of it.
Dec 31 21:27:04 <Frozenbinary> It doesn't seem like video would be too hard
Dec 31 21:27:13 <Smubeht> i had a video recorder on my treo 755p..i think i used it like 1x..
Dec 31 21:27:16 <tlp> It isn't. Gstreamer can do it, which is included on the Pre.
Dec 31 21:27:17 <Frozenbinary> It better be awesome when they add it
Dec 31 21:27:19 <rwhitby> Templarian: did you like the use of the icon you made a long time ago?
Dec 31 21:27:32 <Smubeht> for most its probably a  feature they just whine about not having, but once its there like only 1/3 of the ppl who craved it will actually use it
Dec 31 21:27:45 <tlp> yeah... I wouldn't use it much
Dec 31 21:27:53 <tlp> rwhitby: the Doom one?
Dec 31 21:27:55 <Smubeht> people want to have it just for the sake of saying that its not behind the iphone
Dec 31 21:27:56 <mdklein> all the bits for gpu are on, I got the opengl-es demos running on the unit, the issue right now is the only device I seem to be able to get working is the framebuffer, which luna will fight with... it's really nice and really fast, but flickers a ton if you tap the screen heh
Dec 31 21:28:02 <Frozenbinary> I see lots of drunk people at parties and I miss  having the feature
Dec 31 21:28:12 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i only use the video recorder app on phone like once every couple months. but sometimes u wish you could record something and u can't
Dec 31 21:28:13 <Smubeht> my phone can take video can urs..uhh no not yet..but maybe in an update
Dec 31 21:28:32 <MiX-MaN> oh ... who was talking about the doom stuff awhile ago? heh i host doom servers :P
Dec 31 21:28:33 <Smubeht> heh Frozenbinary..yeah there are definitely times..but likely at parties there are people with digital cameras
Dec 31 21:28:46 <MiX-MaN> well.. skulltag
Dec 31 21:29:13 <BoBoYsDaDDa> the doom app is bad ass if it just launched regular without running script to do it
Dec 31 21:29:29 <jacques> mdklein: I read your wiki page. I have a my TI account, but I was unable to find the opengl bin file you mentioned. where on TI's site is it?
Dec 31 21:29:39 <Frozenbinary> Soooo who can help me with what exe I need to disable to update my software without reprovisioning???
Dec 31 21:29:41 <mdklein> sec
Dec 31 21:29:55 <zsoc> destinal-work: SDL_keysym
Dec 31 21:29:57 <jacques> mdklein: did you download one of the x86 emulation packages and cross-compile the source?
Dec 31 21:30:35 <jacques> most of the links I found were mailto:'s
Dec 31 21:30:38 <mdklein> I had a toolchain set up for cross compiling pre kernels from awhile back, there's a wiki page on that, I just used that toolchain
Dec 31 21:30:41 <Smubeht> my response to ppl who ask me why my phone doesnt have such and such feature is a simple..does ur phone multitask? haha
Dec 31 21:30:44 <Smubeht> works every time..
Dec 31 21:30:58 <MiX-MaN> heh
Dec 31 21:31:14 <MiX-MaN> i always use, "theres a patch for that"
Dec 31 21:31:16 <Templarian> rwhitby: yea, I loled when I saw it.
Dec 31 21:31:22 <MiX-MaN> wether there is or not :P
Dec 31 21:31:28 <MiX-MaN> usally shuts em up
Dec 31 21:31:34 <rwhitby> Templarian: I thought it was the perfect icon
Dec 31 21:31:54 <Smubeht> but 'theres a patch for that' leaves the person thinking ok..well i can jailbreak my phone and do stuff(even though patching is easier than jailbreaking) and also leaves them with the well its not straight out of the box
Dec 31 21:32:09 <mdklein> the toolchain instructions were from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels though make sure you grab the 2007q3-51 release, the 2009 is too new for the palm stdc++ libs
Dec 31 21:32:10 <jacques> mdklein: but you started with one of the x86 SDK packages from TI's site?
Dec 31 21:32:11 <Smubeht> ud be surprised how many ppl dont know about precentral and preware and the likes
Dec 31 21:32:27 <Frozenbinary> +$%8: v5% of people are too dumb to even try to root the phone lol
Dec 31 21:32:28 <Smubeht> ive already taught like 4 ppl who i found have pres how to do stuff like this
Dec 31 21:32:39 <mdklein> jacques: I just unpacked that file I linked you, set up my pre-compiler environment and typed "make"
Dec 31 21:32:40 <jacques> mdklein: ah goo d to know about the toolchain, I would have used 2009q1
Dec 31 21:32:46 <mdklein> copied the files over
Dec 31 21:32:50 <mdklein> set up powervr.ini
Dec 31 21:32:57 <mdklein> and watched the OpenGL apps
Dec 31 21:33:13 <jacques> mdklein: duh sorry, wasn't watching my weechat well enough :-)
Dec 31 21:33:29 <rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals
Dec 31 21:33:40 <mdklein> anyway, I need to run for a bit, be back
Dec 31 21:34:17 <Smubeht> is that u rod?
Dec 31 21:34:49 <Frozenbinary> So noone can tell me which files in usr bin are for provisioning?
Dec 31 21:34:58 <Smubeht> i have no clue Frozenbinary
Dec 31 21:34:59 <Smubeht> lol
Dec 31 21:35:27 <MiX-MaN> Sweet! "This update improves battery life in areas of poor wireless network coverage."
Dec 31 21:35:32 <rwhitby> Smubeht: yep
Dec 31 21:35:36 <MiX-MaN> i hope so... my phone only last about 2 hours at my parents house
Dec 31 21:35:50 <Smubeht> pretty good at doom =P
Dec 31 21:35:51 <Smubeht> haha
Dec 31 21:36:13 <rwhitby> Smubeht: that was the second take.
Dec 31 21:36:46 <Smubeht> which hand are u using to hold the camera lol
Dec 31 21:36:48 <Smubeht> =P
Dec 31 21:37:19 <jacques> MiX-MaN: what has really saved me is the roam-only patch
Dec 31 21:37:20 <PreGame> anyone know why my application cannot access my service?  i get permission denied however it is in both public and private bus
Dec 31 21:37:34 <jacques> because at work I have terrible sprint coverage
Dec 31 21:37:53 <MiX-MaN> jacques: i almost never used wifi, i forgot to turn it off at my parents one day and the batt life improved alot
Dec 31 21:38:01 <MiX-MaN> so i've been leaving wifi on when i go there
Dec 31 21:38:09 <rwhitby> Smubeht: I filmed it sitting on the macbook, with the camera on a box on the trackpad
Dec 31 21:39:12 <Smubeht> anyways kudos..to u zsoc and destinal-work and whoever else worked on it..it is fantastic
Dec 31 21:39:29 <Smubeht> u guys never fail to impress
Dec 31 21:39:30 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 31 21:40:53 <MiX-MaN> ohhh wtf... it says unpacking then it said error downloading :/
Dec 31 21:41:05 <rwhitby> so anyone know how I can get the webosinternals youtube channel to show a video that someone else uploaded?
Dec 31 21:46:36 <PreGame> anyone?
Dec 31 21:47:27 <jacques> PreGame: does dbus-monitor show anything interesting?
Dec 31 21:48:06 <PreGame> dbus-util --capture?
Dec 31 21:49:40 <jacques> PreGame: I guess that does about the same things as dbus-monitor
Dec 31 21:54:38 <Templarian> nice video rwhitby :)
Dec 31 21:55:04 <Templarian> Should of edited in some doom music though.
Dec 31 21:55:23 <rwhitby> Templarian: now you're way above my production capabilities ;-)
Dec 31 21:56:01 <Templarian> It's better than the other guys video trying to open the solid steel door.
Dec 31 21:56:14 <gkatsev> w00t, cheatcodes still work on doom. :)
Dec 31 21:56:15 <PreGame> no nothing
Dec 31 21:56:29 <PreGame> i still get permission denied but it works if i run the commands via command line
Dec 31 21:56:50 <gkatsev> rwhitby: well, soon, videolan will release their video editor and it should be easy.
Dec 31 21:56:58 <gkatsev> rwhitby: whats your main OS btw?
Dec 31 21:57:13 <rwhitby> gkatsev: all three
Dec 31 21:57:22 <jacques> rwhitby has a mac. he should be able to effortlessly edit video ;-)
Dec 31 21:57:38 <gkatsev> rwhitby: your main? you use all three equally?
Dec 31 21:57:40 <destinal-work> gkatsev: VideoLAN Movie Creator, eh?  should be cool
Dec 31 21:57:45 <MiX-MaN> ohhh wtf... said downloading... went to unpacking.. now its downloading again
Dec 31 21:58:06 <gkatsev> destinal-work: yeah, it should. :)
Dec 31 21:58:18 <gkatsev> the screen shots ive seen of it are pretty cool
Dec 31 22:02:05 * geist yawns and checks in on the channel
Dec 31 22:03:12 <gkatsev> so, would it be possible to add tilt controls for movement in doom?
Dec 31 22:03:37 <DrFunk> .
Dec 31 22:04:03 <gkatsev> cuz that would be awesome
Dec 31 22:04:10 <Rick_work> geist geist geist --  welcome sir.
Dec 31 22:04:28 <Rick_work> Nice gift from the kernal folks in 135 mr geist sir...
Dec 31 22:05:25 <Templarian> How do I press Y in doom
Dec 31 22:06:06 <Templarian> "Are you sure this skill level isn't even remotely fair, Press Y or N"
Dec 31 22:06:32 <Rick_work> use the keyboard
Dec 31 22:07:02 <Templarian> He has Y binded to something else
Dec 31 22:07:09 <Templarian> I'll try and shift it
Dec 31 22:07:14 <Rick_work> oh
Dec 31 22:07:19 <gkatsev> Templarian: use y or b to select y or n and then hit the screen
Dec 31 22:08:02 <Templarian> It's not working
Dec 31 22:08:14 <gkatsev> did you die?
Dec 31 22:08:45 <Templarian> no I can't get past the yes no screen
Dec 31 22:08:51 <rwhitby> gkatsev: macosx UI (8GB RAM laptop), emacs editor, ubuntu in a VM for Linux work, Windows in a VM for Windows stuff.  SSH into the VM's and run emacs there too.
Dec 31 22:08:55 <gkatsev> which yes no screen?
Dec 31 22:09:16 <Templarian> I want to play nightmare mode
Dec 31 22:09:58 <freakout> geist, you're always yawning.
Dec 31 22:10:03 <freakout> narcolepsy?
Dec 31 22:10:44 <freakout> do we have a video of doom yet?
Dec 31 22:11:00 <gkatsev> freakout: there are two. one from webosinternals and one from precentral
Dec 31 22:11:45 <gkatsev> lol "suggested retail price $9.0"
Dec 31 22:11:51 <freakout> gkatsev: cool. I should have stayed up a bit later ;)
Dec 31 22:14:44 <freakout> where is the webosinternals vid?
Dec 31 22:15:27 <Smubeht> [16:33] <+rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals
Dec 31 22:15:34 <gkatsev> http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals
Dec 31 22:16:12 <Smubeht> well im off to party on the new year..happy new year to all..
Dec 31 22:16:32 <gkatsev> Smubeht: have fun.
Dec 31 22:18:45 <jacques> biab
Dec 31 22:23:36 <rwhitby> freakout: did you laugh?
Dec 31 22:23:52 * Rick_work going home now.
Dec 31 22:23:55 <freakout> lol - i only just realised there had been answers
Dec 31 22:24:08 <Rick_work> freakout needs more coffee
Dec 31 22:24:31 <freakout> Rick_work: haven't even had my first yet... :)
Dec 31 22:24:39 <Rick_work> that would explain it
Dec 31 22:25:39 * rwhitby hasn't had breakfast yet.
Dec 31 22:27:54 <freakout> rwhitby: rly? i used to be a chronic breakfast-skipper
Dec 31 22:28:10 <freakout> now it's the first thing i do when i roll out of bed... need to get in the habit man
Dec 31 22:28:11 <rwhitby> freakout: I'm not going to skip it - I only just got through the emails
Dec 31 22:28:18 <freakout> breakfast first!
Dec 31 22:28:26 <freakout> THEN emails! you can eat it while you scroll
Dec 31 22:28:38 <rwhitby> I usually eat it while looking at the new precentral posts
Dec 31 22:28:42 <freakout>  /scold
Dec 31 22:29:04 <freakout> That's dangerous. some of the material in there could have you spitting it over your monitor
Dec 31 22:29:38 <rwhitby> email and twitter is usually done before getting out of bed
Dec 31 22:29:51 <rwhitby> but this morning I made an exception
Dec 31 22:39:25 <freakout> well, your vid has now been appended to the PIC article as well
Dec 31 22:40:39 <FreeTim31> Doom and Gloom?
Dec 31 22:43:36 <rwhitby> webos-internals needs a professional youtube uploader to step forward ....
Dec 31 22:51:02 <Shiggity> rwhitby: To upload from precorder or just in general?
Dec 31 22:52:09 <rwhitby> Shiggity: I mean someone that's much better than I am at recording instructional and demo videos about the stuff we do, and uploading it to youtube in a timely manner.
Dec 31 22:52:32 <rwhitby> someone to take on that role in the project
Dec 31 22:52:59 <bpadalino> someone with a decent tripod and camera should be a prereq
Dec 31 22:53:25 <Shiggity> bpadalino: I figured it would have been a good voice and a screen capture utility.
Dec 31 22:53:43 <bpadalino> nah, nerdy voices are fine for this
Dec 31 22:53:53 <Shiggity> Maybe I'm thinking along the wrong lines, but are you talking about something like the Ares video done in a usable format for WebosInternals?
Dec 31 22:54:23 <Abyssul_> how do you install novacom for vista 64 bit?
Dec 31 22:57:08 <Shiggity> bpadalino: Let me recommend Adora ;)
Dec 31 23:00:03 <Shiggity> Oh, nevermind. You're talking about things like the doom video earlier!
Dec 31 23:00:16 <Shiggity> Btw, epic job on that guys.
Dec 31 23:02:34 <MiX-MaN> :\ cant get preware to install
Dec 31 23:02:42 <MiX-MaN> or reinstall
Dec 31 23:02:47 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org/
Dec 31 23:03:25 <MiX-MaN> cant remove it after updateing
Dec 31 23:06:56 <alkos333> I got bored:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/20133549@N02/sets/72157623109965388/
Dec 31 23:06:56 <freakout> rhwitby: buy me a video camera and I'll do it ;)
Dec 31 23:08:34 <alkos333> jacques: Tethering works great on 1.3.5 - no problem
Dec 31 23:08:45 <MiX-MaN> i cant get wifi to work :\
Dec 31 23:08:54 <MiX-MaN> well.. couldent before the update either
Dec 31 23:08:59 <alkos333> I just added an echo line to /etc/event.d/ipforward script so that it sets it to 1 at boot-up
Dec 31 23:09:17 <jacques> alkos333, yeah I know. uh, I mean, cool :-)
Dec 31 23:09:36 <alkos333> lool
Dec 31 23:10:08 <MiX-MaN> uhhhhh this is'nt good :\
Dec 31 23:10:10 <alkos333> There's a thread on precentral's forum, claiming that the value keeps going back to 0, but I'm not getting that behavior
Dec 31 23:10:19 <MiX-MaN> turned dev mode off and all my icons vanished
Dec 31 23:11:45 <MiX-MaN> alkos333: is that for the wifi issue?
Dec 31 23:12:31 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: I'm using usbnet to tether
Dec 31 23:12:36 <MiX-MaN> ah
Dec 31 23:12:43 <alkos333> I haven't messed around with iwconfig in order to turn it into an ad-hoc AP
Dec 31 23:12:49 <alkos333> Just don't really have a need for it.
Dec 31 23:13:08 <alkos333> I need a stable connection and I'd like the Pre to charge while at it and usbnet accomplishes both
Dec 31 23:13:19 <jacques> yeah, usbnet is great
Dec 31 23:13:34 <MiX-MaN> i wanna get it going to the touch and the laptop
Dec 31 23:13:49 <MiX-MaN> btw has anyone been chraged for tethering yet though sprint?
Dec 31 23:13:56 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: You can either use mytether, which I don't like much because I'm always in favor of getting things done manually for the sake of learning at least. However, check out the following thread: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around.html#post1669830
Dec 31 23:14:32 <jacques> does sprint even have a plan that includes tethering?
Dec 31 23:14:36 <MiX-MaN> ahh nice.. i was gonna digg around for exactly that
Dec 31 23:14:42 <MiX-MaN> yes and no
Dec 31 23:14:47 <MiX-MaN> depends on the rep you talk to
Dec 31 23:15:01 <MiX-MaN> took 3 trys to get the tether plan w/ my old wm6 phone
Dec 31 23:15:14 <MiX-MaN> i think its like 35$ more
Dec 31 23:15:25 <alkos333> jacques: Yes, who knows..
Dec 31 23:15:35 <MiX-MaN> wierd.. ok.. so if i turn off dev mode all my icons vansih
Dec 31 23:15:36 <alkos333> Sometimes the reps don't even know.
Dec 31 23:15:38 <MiX-MaN> turn it on.. they come back
Dec 31 23:16:00 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: Are you using Preware?
Dec 31 23:16:16 <MiX-MaN> alkos333: trying to get it working.. im getting the nofeeds error after the update
Dec 31 23:16:23 <MiX-MaN> cant get it to remove itself and reinstall
Dec 31 23:16:59 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: I've never really used Preware
Dec 31 23:17:10 <MiX-MaN> alkos333: also.. thanks for the link.. im gonna take a look at that one :)
Dec 31 23:17:15 <alkos333> I just reserve to shell scripts and quilt if necessary.
Dec 31 23:17:21 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: np
Dec 31 23:17:41 <MiX-MaN> if that works well.. ill leave it up 24x7
Dec 31 23:17:47 <alkos333> I just set up bash with vi editing mode and a colored prompt earlier today
Dec 31 23:17:49 <MiX-MaN> cause i never use the wifi otherwise..
Dec 31 23:17:52 <alkos333> Feels like home again :)
Dec 31 23:17:56 <MiX-MaN> heh
Dec 31 23:18:13 <MiX-MaN> im so used to freebsd .. anytime i go into a linux env .. im lost
Dec 31 23:18:24 <alkos333> hehe
Dec 31 23:18:36 <alkos333> I'm a Slackware user, so get the best of both worlds ;)
Dec 31 23:18:40 <alkos333> *so I get
Dec 31 23:18:42 <MiX-MaN> nice
Dec 31 23:18:46 <MiX-MaN> i used to run it
Dec 31 23:18:54 <MiX-MaN> ions ago
Dec 31 23:18:56 <alkos333> Slackware64 13.0 is a candy
Dec 31 23:19:02 <MiX-MaN> ohhh preware is working again
Dec 31 23:19:13 <MiX-MaN> guess i needed to install the package manger also
Dec 31 23:19:23 <MiX-MaN> anyways.. off to the parents.. laters yall
Dec 31 23:19:28 <MiX-MaN> thanks :)
Dec 31 23:20:08 <alkos333> I'm going to set up a virtual machine for Slackware64 13.0 in qemu tomorrow and try to convert it into a multilib  in order to run some 32-bit apps.  Want to make sure everything runs smoothly before I do it on my primary system.
Dec 31 23:20:21 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: Later, Happy New Year.
Dec 31 23:20:29 <MiX-MaN> you too..
Dec 31 23:20:32 <jacques> I would consider paying for tethering if it was truly unlimited
Dec 31 23:20:33 <MiX-MaN> oh hey.. question :)
Dec 31 23:20:51 <jacques> $30 extra seems to be pretty standard
Dec 31 23:20:51 <MiX-MaN> anyone know how to access the gps via the shell?
Dec 31 23:20:59 <alkos333> jacques: I would, too.  I'm getting very different speeds at three different Starbucks locations so far :P
Dec 31 23:21:13 <MiX-MaN> i want to make a lil tcl program to send the data to a server
Dec 31 23:21:15 <alkos333> MiX-MaN: What are you trying to do?
Dec 31 23:21:43 <MiX-MaN> i have the server wrote already running on of my boxes.. im basicly going to make a sort-of like gpsgate
Dec 31 23:21:58 <MiX-MaN> but i only know tcl .. so :\
Dec 31 23:22:00 <MiX-MaN> heh
Dec 31 23:23:05 <MiX-MaN> basicly what i would use it for is 1) real-time updates to gmaps api 2) APRS interface 3) uhhhh 4) profit
Dec 31 23:23:22 <jacques> at home it looks like my pre maxes out at 160kiB/s
Dec 31 23:23:23 <oil> lol, truly unlimited
Dec 31 23:23:34 <oil> like any carrier is going to ever give that to any customer
Dec 31 23:23:41 <MiX-MaN> even there broadband plans are not "unlimited"
Dec 31 23:23:44 <MiX-MaN> their
Dec 31 23:23:54 <MiX-MaN> i was capped at 5gb w/ the old card i used to have
Dec 31 23:23:58 <MiX-MaN> 60$ /mo
Dec 31 23:23:58 <oil> they're limited unlimited
Dec 31 23:23:59 <MiX-MaN> f that
Dec 31 23:24:12 <MiX-MaN> unlimitly limited
Dec 31 23:24:30 <jacques> well, 50GiB/month would be OK I guess
Dec 31 23:24:52 <MiX-MaN> ok.. gotta run.. laterz :)
Dec 31 23:25:01 <oil> if its got a limit, its definitely not unlimited...
Dec 31 23:26:13 <alkos333> jacques: Check out these speeds:  http://bit.ly/8K7eRL
Dec 31 23:26:35 <alkos333> jacques: What's your data usage on average?
Dec 31 23:26:49 <alkos333> I mean what does your sprint account report for data usage?
Dec 31 23:27:41 <jacques> alkos333, I've only had my Pre for under two weeks
Dec 31 23:27:48 <rwhitby> the doom thread on PreCentral is hilarious
Dec 31 23:27:57 <jacques> alkos333, and before that I wasn't using data
Dec 31 23:28:50 <Shiggity> Actually, they are supposed to have 4g here.
Dec 31 23:28:56 <oil> yeah, people really don't know how to change directories
Dec 31 23:29:05 <PreGame> cd
Dec 31 23:29:11 <PreGame> cd = compact disc
Dec 31 23:30:52 <oil> lol
Dec 31 23:30:59 <alkos333> loool
Dec 31 23:31:16 <oil> so rwhitby: still need me to whip up an app?
Dec 31 23:31:24 <alkos333> Shiggity: I think it's more of a marking term at best.  4G is a bit of a hype - I don't think it's very pratical yet.
Dec 31 23:31:27 <alkos333> *practical
Dec 31 23:31:42 <Shiggity> alkos333: I've seen mixed results here. If you're by the tower, it's epic.
Dec 31 23:32:03 <Shiggity> If you're not, RFC 1147 might be your better bet.
Dec 31 23:34:05 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, one that calls a new method on ipkgservice :-)
Dec 31 23:34:17 <meCka_> whos running a pre on sprint?
Dec 31 23:34:21 <meCka_> in the US?
Dec 31 23:34:28 <Shiggity> Here
Dec 31 23:35:21 <PreGame> wouldn't everyone be running it on sprint in the US?
Dec 31 23:35:57 <Shiggity> That's what they want you to think...
Dec 31 23:36:28 <meCka_> PreGame: Nope. I know people that  have a GSM Pre here in the states.
Dec 31 23:36:56 <alkos333> Shiggity: hehe ..
Dec 31 23:38:28 <rwhitby> oil: I'm on board with Destinal's plans for an upstart control service, which the app stub then just calls.  no additional signature checking required, it's a generally useful service, and it allows us to have dependencies between the scripts and other good upstart stuff.
Dec 31 23:42:31 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: yes, upstart service, nay for using upstart to start them
Dec 31 23:48:59 <rposa> G'evening.
Dec 31 23:49:24 <rposa> Has anyone seen a Pre get "bricked" by installation of Precorder?
Dec 31 23:49:37 <bpadalino> never seen a pre get bricked ever :(
Dec 31 23:49:45 * oil looks disapprovingly at zsoc
Dec 31 23:49:46 <destinal-work> rposa: nobody has seen a pre get bricked so that it can't be doctored anywhere
Dec 31 23:49:54 <destinal-work> rposa: unless hardware damage
Dec 31 23:49:57 <rposa> Ok, on second battery pull, now it seems like it might be booting...
Dec 31 23:50:18 <rposa> Ok, I said Bricked .. didn't really mean bricked.  I meant .. locked up.  Battery pull gets stuck on first Palm screen.
Dec 31 23:50:24 <rposa> but ... now it seems to be booting
Dec 31 23:50:30 <bpadalino> ah
Dec 31 23:50:32 <destinal-work> rposa: ah, yeah, freezes happen
Dec 31 23:50:45 <rposa> never saw that happen :)
Dec 31 23:50:46 <bpadalino> definitely had freezes occur
Dec 31 23:55:38 <rposa> Weird, after the freeze/lockup, the PreCorder app has disappeared.  Maybe the phone was in the process of moving it to the cryptofs
Dec 31 23:58:48 <rposa> ok, somone say something please
Dec 31 23:58:49 <rposa> :)
Dec 31 23:59:25 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2120236
Jan 01 00:00:59 <rposa> nice
Jan 01 00:06:28 <rposa> VLC player won't play the precorder taken videos?
Jan 01 00:07:10 <acydlord> it should, given that the correct codecs are there
Jan 01 00:07:17 <rposa> It'
Jan 01 00:07:25 <rposa> It's VLC .. it supports like ... almost everything.
Jan 01 00:07:46 <rposa> Heck my Windows Media Player in Win 7 plays them .. VLC plays the audio, shows that it has a video track but won't play the video.
Jan 01 00:14:16 <rposa> chnged the video format now vlc likes it :)
Jan 01 00:15:59 <jacques> anyone else finding themselves yelling at the screen while watching the doom video?
Jan 01 00:16:23 <rposa> i wet myself  a little watching the doom video
Jan 01 00:16:26 <rposa> then i installed terminal
Jan 01 00:16:28 <rposa> then doom
Jan 01 00:16:41 <rposa> made a little script so i only have to open the terminal and type doom
Jan 01 00:16:47 <rwhitby> jacques: which one?  mine or dieters?
Jan 01 00:17:17 <rwhitby> rposa: I intentionally made it a little hard, so that we'd get users helping each other out in the forums
Jan 01 00:17:17 <jacques> rwhitby, yours :-)
Jan 01 00:17:36 <rwhitby> jacques: what were you yelling?
Jan 01 00:17:45 <jacques> elevator! elevator!
Jan 01 00:17:47 <rwhitby> "whitby, you're an idiot!" ?
Jan 01 00:18:08 <jacques> oh and maybe, "charge your Pre" :-)
Jan 01 00:18:19 <rwhitby> yeah, I was getting worried about that :-)
Jan 01 00:19:12 <rwhitby> rposa: and also so that when the launcher comes out we can get another round of donations for the new server ;-)
Jan 01 00:19:17 <jacques> rwhitby, is there sound on your video? I don't have audio modules loaded so I didn't hear any
Jan 01 00:19:32 <rwhitby> jacques: yeah, it's quiet though.  I didn't want to wake the kids.
Jan 01 00:19:49 <rposa> I sent $20 just about an hour ago, and I offered web space if you want it on the PreCentral forums :)
Jan 01 00:19:53 <rwhitby> no voice-over.
Jan 01 00:20:12 <jacques> also first thing I thought was, "wow, that's really fast, I bet they sped up the video" like they do in the apple commercials
Jan 01 00:20:13 <rwhitby> rposa: ah, that's you.  cool.  I reckon we'll make use of that for a mirror.
Jan 01 00:20:40 <jacques> but then I realized, "no, this is real speed"
Jan 01 00:20:51 <rposa> The $20 doesn't even come close to the fun and enjoyment I've gotten from PreWare
Jan 01 00:20:59 <rposa> So I'll be sending more soon :)
Jan 01 00:21:15 <jacques> rwhitby, if I donate a decent amount of $$$, do I get any free gifts?
Jan 01 00:21:29 <rwhitby> jacques: you get as many free copies of Preware as you can eat
Jan 01 00:21:35 <rposa> Jaques - I'll bet you can have as many copies of Preware as you can download..
Jan 01 00:21:41 <rposa> awww .. he typed it quicker than I did
Jan 01 00:22:03 <jacques> rposa, he does that.
Jan 01 00:22:17 <rposa> Well, in my defense, I'm on a laptop at my kitchen table...
Jan 01 00:22:36 <rposa> It's a pain in the butt getting to my office .. the wheelchair doesn't quite fit through the door
Jan 01 00:22:46 <jacques> I dunno, after watching that video, I wouldn't want to get into a typing contest with rwhitby
Jan 01 00:23:12 <rwhitby> jacques: I cheated with a novaterm in the background ready for just an enter key
Jan 01 00:24:42 <rposa> Has anyone tried the Doom on a pixi?
Jan 01 00:24:48 <rposa> would it even work, do you think?
Jan 01 00:24:52 <rwhitby> yeah, I want to know that too
Jan 01 00:25:01 <rwhitby> I packaged it for the pixi, so just waiting for a report
Jan 01 00:25:09 <rposa> Ok .. lemme get my kid's pixi then :)
Jan 01 00:25:11 <rposa> sec
Jan 01 00:25:14 <oil> lol
Jan 01 00:25:20 <oil> "daddy needs to borrow your phone"
Jan 01 00:25:21 <rposa> he's 15 h
Jan 01 00:25:32 <rposa> and hates it when i get his phone
Jan 01 00:25:40 <rposa> hehehe
Jan 01 00:25:47 <rposa> hes bringing it to me
Jan 01 00:25:49 <rposa> lol
Jan 01 00:26:58 <rposa> updating feeds in Preware
Jan 01 00:27:32 <rposa> So, if they do release a Pre "Plus" for Vzw .. you think it could be ported to Sprint?
Jan 01 00:32:12 <rposa> rwhitby - Error ocurred return value 4.  Cannot find package org.webosinternals.sdldoom   Check the spelling or perhaps run ipkg update.   Failed "ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during install operation
Jan 01 00:33:34 <rposa> aah
Jan 01 00:33:37 <rposa> it's not just a doom error
Jan 01 00:37:30 <rposa> im thinking .. because i udpated the package mgr service ..
Jan 01 00:37:35 <rposa> might needed to reboot
Jan 01 00:38:04 <rposa> Yup ..
Jan 01 00:39:33 <rwhitby> phew
Jan 01 00:41:20 <rposa> So, totally off subject.  I ordered two Dell Latitude D610 52w batteries.  Got 2 35w batteries instead .. Not sure they're not counterfeit either...
Jan 01 00:43:56 <rposa> rwhitby: could not initialize SDL: Unable to open /dev/fb1
Jan 01 00:44:08 <oil> pixi != 135?
Jan 01 00:44:19 <rposa> 1.3.5
Jan 01 00:44:29 <oil> huh
Jan 01 00:44:32 <seigex> hi
Jan 01 00:47:47 <rposa> oil: or were you saying that the Pixi 1.3.5 is not the same as the pre 1.3.5 ?
Jan 01 00:49:16 <rposa> there's only a /dev/fb and a /dev/fb0 in   in /deb
Jan 01 00:49:18 <rposa> err /dev
Jan 01 00:51:14 <rposa> and if I do the export SDL_FBDEV=/dev/fb0  -- it then gives output of   "could not initialize SDL: unable to open a console terminal
Jan 01 00:51:22 <rwhitby> there's a work-around for that in the DOOM thread
Jan 01 00:53:43 <zsoc> hi 2 u
Jan 01 00:56:00 <rposa> rwhitby: I don't seen a workaround for the second error.  This is on the Pixi
Jan 01 00:58:07 <rposa> Wow my grammar sucked there
Jan 01 00:59:05 <tmzt> </dev/null ?
Jan 01 00:59:36 <tmzt> still no kernel source?
Jan 01 00:59:54 <tmzt> the sdl patch will have to changed for mdp
Jan 01 01:00:23 <tmzt> since we don't have kernel source it's not likely to be able to compile a new driver that supports overlay
Jan 01 01:00:40 <tmzt> and they might (hopefully) be using drm anyway with fbdev as a client
Jan 01 01:01:09 <tlp> so, I get "No available video device" when I try to launch Doom. Maybe I have another version of SDL installed or something
Jan 01 01:03:13 <tlp> hmm, nope
Jan 01 01:03:35 <tmzt> on Pixi?
Jan 01 01:03:39 <tlp> Pre
Jan 01 01:03:43 <tmzt> it just won't work yet
Jan 01 01:03:44 <tmzt> oh
Jan 01 01:04:16 <zsoc> tlp: lsdmod | grep -i pvr
Jan 01 01:04:35 <tlp> haha, lsdmod ;)
Jan 01 01:04:39 <bpadalino> lsd!!
Jan 01 01:04:42 <zsoc> LOL sorry i'm toasted
Jan 01 01:04:45 <zsoc> tlp: -d :)
Jan 01 01:04:52 <tlp> nope, no pvr
Jan 01 01:05:10 <tlp> oh, I lied
Jan 01 01:05:11 <tlp> I see it
Jan 01 01:05:24 <zsoc> pvrsrvkm ?
Jan 01 01:05:29 <tlp> pvrsrvkm
Jan 01 01:05:30 <tlp> yep
Jan 01 01:05:34 <zsoc> if you have pvrsrvkm loaded, you have /dev/fb1
Jan 01 01:05:56 <tlp> which is what is necessary for doom? or should it be /dev/fb0?
Jan 01 01:06:14 <tlp> I certainly do have /dev/fb1.
Jan 01 01:06:56 <rposa> zsoc - I'm on a Pixi .. i don't see a /dev/fb1
Jan 01 01:07:03 <tmzt> rposa: try mplayer if vlc doesn't work
Jan 01 01:07:09 <tmzt> you won't
Jan 01 01:07:31 <tlp> I'll restart my phone for the hell of it...
Jan 01 01:08:02 <destinal-work> tmzt: what do you mean no kernel source?
Jan 01 01:08:02 <rposa> tmzt - the pixi doesn't have /dev/fb1 ?
Jan 01 01:08:27 <tmzt> right, pixi uses an msm chip
Jan 01 01:08:27 <destinal-work> tmzt: did they not post source for the pixi?
Jan 01 01:08:30 <tmzt> not omap3
Jan 01 01:08:33 <tlp> other than having a conflicting version of SDL, I can't think of what could cause this
Jan 01 01:08:37 <tmzt> so no omap2fb
Jan 01 01:08:39 <tlp> and I don't have any other SDL versions listed in PreWare
Jan 01 01:08:44 <rposa> So Doom isn't going to even run on it then ...
Jan 01 01:08:46 <tmzt> destinal-work: haven't checked recently
Jan 01 01:08:56 <tmzt> not without some work
Jan 01 01:09:09 <tmzt> assuming it draws directly to fboverlay
Jan 01 01:09:34 <tmzt> are they converting to yuv first?
Jan 01 01:09:42 <tmzt> yv1212
Jan 01 01:11:03 <rwhitby> zsoc: so should I pull the Pixi version of DOOM?
Jan 01 01:11:46 <zsoc> rwhitby: i have no way to test it
Jan 01 01:12:05 <acydlord> i've got a pixi, what do we need tested?
Jan 01 01:12:22 <rwhitby> acydlord: doom
Jan 01 01:13:08 <rposa> zsoc - That's what I was talking about ..
Jan 01 01:13:14 <acydlord> is it in the standard preware feeds now?
Jan 01 01:13:18 <tlp> zsoc: any ideas?
Jan 01 01:13:30 <tlp> do I need to export SDL_VIDEODRIVER or something?
Jan 01 01:14:03 <rwhitby> acydlord: yep
Jan 01 01:14:45 <acydlord> aight, i'll give it a shot as soon as the feeds update. sometimes i hate the airave
Jan 01 01:17:30 <tlp> weird
Jan 01 01:17:34 <tlp> Now Preware won't start
Jan 01 01:20:57 <tmzt> a dmesg would be useful, but please don't make me type cryptic irls
Jan 01 01:21:00 <tmzt> urls
Jan 01 01:21:45 <tlp> is that directed at me or acydlord?
Jan 01 01:22:12 <tmzt> anyone with pixi
Jan 01 01:22:20 <acydlord> doh, forgot to reinstall terminal after doctoring the pixi
Jan 01 01:22:46 <tlp> I think I'm just going to doctor my Pre. It pisses me off that they don't save the linked contacts though.
Jan 01 01:23:15 <tlp> it takes a while to set all of those up
Jan 01 01:23:25 <acydlord> tlp, thats why i ported all my contacts to my google voice account and linked them there
Jan 01 01:30:38 <oil> what
Jan 01 01:30:47 <oil> i just noticed amazon does subscriptions to products
Jan 01 01:31:00 <oil> i could have toilet paper delivered monthly automatically
Jan 01 01:31:12 <oil> we really are in the future aren't we?
Jan 01 01:32:45 <acydlord> gotta install ssh to the pixi so i can get the dmesg output
Jan 01 01:39:51 <Robi_> argh
Jan 01 01:40:07 <Robi_> preware doens't know i have a patch installed, yet it wont install/upgrade it either
Jan 01 01:43:43 <zsoc> opengl es is proving difficult
Jan 01 01:48:17 <tmzt> well, phh is looking at the sources
Jan 01 01:48:31 <tmzt> for pixi
Jan 01 01:50:57 <acydlord> oh fail, cant use the preware packages for ssh on the pixi since they are wifi only
Jan 01 01:51:55 <Robi_> hm whats the root for quilt patches now?
Jan 01 01:53:05 <rwhitby> acydlord: just edit the upstart script
Jan 01 01:53:11 <rwhitby> Robi_: same as always: /
Jan 01 01:53:50 <Robi_> what I see in / does not match to what's installed
Jan 01 01:56:40 <Robi_> series and applied only show 7
Jan 01 01:56:50 <Robi_> yet I installed 30
Jan 01 01:57:06 <Robi_> it does report one unapplied hmm
Jan 01 01:57:25 <rwhitby> dunno, I don't use quilt any more :-)
Jan 01 01:57:49 <Robi_> what does preware use ?
Jan 01 01:58:07 <rwhitby> diffstat and patch
Jan 01 01:58:26 <Robi_> hm so how can I manually remove a patch that preware doesn't know about
Jan 01 01:58:52 * rwhitby notices https://twitter.com/chuq/status/7241687524
Jan 01 01:59:45 <Robi_> ya doom on us
Jan 01 02:01:07 <Robi_> rwhitby: ides?
Jan 01 02:01:09 <Robi_> rwhitby: ideas?
Jan 01 02:01:18 <bpadalino> i didn't realize you were so active on twitter, rwhitby
Jan 01 02:01:32 <rwhitby> bpadalino: it's a recent phenomenon
Jan 01 02:02:28 <bpadalino> also, happy new year
Jan 01 02:02:42 <rwhitby> and to you (and everyone else)
Jan 01 02:03:30 <bpadalino> thanks!
Jan 01 02:03:42 <oil> its been snowing a lot here today
Jan 01 02:03:58 <bpadalino> the past couple of days have been snowy here too
Jan 01 02:04:02 <oil> im going to go outside and watch natural selection in action
Jan 01 02:04:07 <oil> as all the drunks try to drive home from the bar
Jan 01 02:04:21 <oil> xD
Jan 01 02:04:30 <bpadalino> "Remember, everybody on the road tonight is either a drunk or a cop!"
Jan 01 02:04:42 <oil> lol
Jan 01 02:05:31 <destinal-nirc> or both
Jan 01 02:05:40 <oil> lol
Jan 01 02:06:41 <meCka> anyone know if meta-doctor is compatible with 1.3.5?
Jan 01 02:09:06 <PreGame> i believe PuffTheMagic is working on a fix
Jan 01 02:10:33 <rwhitby> meCka: you asked that yesterday, and I said yes.
Jan 01 02:11:10 <meCka> rwhitby: oh i must of missed it, sorry. Im not on here 24/7
Jan 01 02:11:57 <acydlord> tmzt, anything in particular you're looking for in dmesg?
Jan 01 02:13:10 <tmzt> graphics
Jan 01 02:13:21 <tmzt> pmem gpu etc.
Jan 01 02:13:58 <acydlord> i'm emailing /var/log/messages to my desktop now, will upload it to pastebin in a sec
Jan 01 02:14:31 <Jack87-wIRC> could not initialize sdl: unable to open /dev/fb1 is error I get when trying to run doom
Jan 01 02:15:01 <Robi_> rwhitby: how can I manually remove a patch that preware doesn't know about?
Jan 01 02:15:20 <tmzt> Jack87-wIRC: on pixi?
Jan 01 02:15:43 <Jack87-wIRC> tmzt: on pre 1.3.5
Jan 01 02:17:00 <tmzt> hmm
Jan 01 02:17:28 <rwhitby> Jack87-wIRC: we need to find the pattern for all these non /dev/fb1 devices.  probably a mytether thing again ;-)
Jan 01 02:18:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: its people without the pvr module loaded
Jan 01 02:18:28 <rwhitby> zsoc: right, and I expect that's the mytether wifi work-around patch thing interfering
Jan 01 02:18:36 <rwhitby> at least that's my first guess
Jan 01 02:18:39 <Jack87-wIRC> rwhitby: lol I think it was confirmed whatever the continuing update was it wasn't mytether :)... in this case... who knows
Jan 01 02:19:10 <zsoc> rwhitby: last 2 people had it installed
Jan 01 02:19:22 <rwhitby> Jack87-wIRC: actually, it was confirmed to me by Palm engineers that it was mytether that caused that.  specifically running ipkg without the -o /var switch
Jan 01 02:19:41 <Jack87-wIRC> I doubt it. although with mytether patch installed I bet that would cause issue... but I don't have patch I wonder if it might be another patch
Jan 01 02:21:00 <rwhitby> it may or may not be mytether, but that's the only homebrew app I know of that mucks around with kernel modules ...
Jan 01 02:21:17 <rwhitby> so that's where I would look first, personally.
Jan 01 02:21:26 <Jack87-wIRC> rwhitby: only when in use...
Jan 01 02:21:35 <zsoc> ...
Jan 01 02:21:48 <rwhitby> Jack87-wIRC: exactly.  the only app that mucks with kernel modules
Jan 01 02:22:10 <Jack87-wIRC> I'll have to doctor and try when I get time
Jan 01 02:22:23 <Jack87-wIRC> and then try again after tether instalation
Jan 01 02:24:30 <Jack87-wIRC> is that a common error?
Jan 01 02:27:22 <acydlord> tmzt, here ya go http://bit.ly/6p4bCX
Jan 01 02:27:38 <acydlord> would have gotten a better short url for it but tr.im is being retarded
Jan 01 02:31:06 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Jan 01 02:32:14 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: ping
Jan 01 02:32:17 <rposa> Did you guys see the comments thread on PreCentral where the guy who's phone is on the Bell system Doctored his Pre with the Sprint 1.2.x image and updated to 1.3.5 sprint and it still makes the calls on the GSM network?
Jan 01 02:34:40 <Jack87-WebIRC> rposa: bell is cdma not gsm
Jan 01 02:35:20 <rposa> Jack87-WebIRC: Well, whomever it was then :)  Lemme find it so I can be more correct... (im an old fart .. forgive the short memory)
Jan 01 02:35:38 <Jack87-WebIRC> rwhitby: i have a feeling that the error has to do with antoher patch on the phone
Jan 01 02:36:16 <rposa> Jack87-WebIRC: hohoho... gsm pre (german o2) + 1.2.1 sprint doctored + upgraded (via Update-app) to 1.3.5... doom's working :-D
Jan 01 02:36:29 <rposa> So it wasn't Bell.  :)
Jan 01 02:36:51 <Jack87-WebIRC> rposa: coolness! :)
Jan 01 02:37:13 <Jack87-WebIRC> dBsooner: is there a way to run the epr via wget or something in terminal
Jan 01 02:37:30 <rposa> Jack87-WebIRC:  It's in the comments of the Doom thread on the front page of PreCentral ...
Jan 01 02:39:50 <rposa> rwhitby: Did you port the engine over?
Jan 01 02:40:57 <rwhitby> rposa: zsoc
Jan 01 02:41:16 <dBsooner> rwhitby: did you do the freetetherd 1.3.5 port?
Jan 01 02:41:16 <dBsooner> or was that PuffTheMagic?
Jan 01 02:41:23 <rwhitby> dBsooner: g'day - did I pronounce your name right on the PalmCast?
Jan 01 02:41:23 <dBsooner> because it's still not right
Jan 01 02:41:34 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I did the postinst change.  what's up?
Jan 01 02:41:39 <dBsooner> I haven't had time to listen.. was busy losing my voice at the Sun Bowl.
Jan 01 02:42:17 <rwhitby> rposa: yeah, I'd expect that to work
Jan 01 02:42:17 <dBsooner> you're trying to copy the startup script from /var/etc/event.d/${PID} to /etc/event.d/${PID}..
Jan 01 02:42:33 <dBsooner> you need to add another line under the if [ ... != "/var"
Jan 01 02:42:58 <dBsooner> to do "cp $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/etc/event.d/${PID} /etc/event.d/${PID}"
Jan 01 02:44:15 <dBsooner> brb
Jan 01 02:45:53 <dBsooner> k.. back
Jan 01 02:45:56 <dBsooner> you copy that rwhitby?
Jan 01 02:46:58 <rwhitby> dBsooner: fixed, reinstall 0.0.3 from testing feed
Jan 01 02:47:03 <dBsooner> mmk
Jan 01 02:49:17 <Jack87-WebIRC> rwhitby: if the mytether wifi patch is active that error does indeed occure and resolved when patch is removed for some.. patch is not applied for me yet i recive error. atleast that might help trouble shoot for some people
Jan 01 02:50:26 <rwhitby> Jack87-WebIRC: my guess is if you use the patch since the last reboot it causes it
Jan 01 02:50:48 <dBsooner> installing now.. be back later
Jan 01 02:51:10 <Jack87-WebIRC> rwhitby: tried a few reboots already (i dont wifi tether either) i will keep messing with it
Jan 01 02:54:54 <Jack87-WebIRC> perhaps because mine is a upgrde to 1.3.5 and during migration it was not 100% where is some might be doing it with a doctored 1.3.5? or installation of 1.3.5 first then mytether. who knows
Jan 01 02:57:17 <dBsooner> rwhitby: feel free to retweet my last tweet. ;)
Jan 01 02:59:13 <Jack87-WebIRC> rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/221888-doom-10.html#post2119711
Jan 01 02:59:22 * rwhitby starts a rumour: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2120461
Jan 01 02:59:53 <rwhitby> Jack87-WebIRC: yeah, that's the work-around I was telling rposa about earlier.
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