**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 06 02:59:57 2010 Jan 06 02:59:58 tmzt: it was 1 hour ago, did you miss it? Jan 06 03:00:10 he doesnt know dont tell him Jan 06 03:00:19 Jobs has joined Palm as marketing manager. Jan 06 03:00:36 AHAHAHHAHAAHA Jan 06 03:00:36 Rubi and Jobs did a joint presentation - it was awesome Jan 06 03:00:43 I don't freaking get it. Jan 06 03:00:44 I just have things to ask geist etc and they are gone Jan 06 03:00:50 like april fools right? Jan 06 03:01:08 the purported apple tablet is actually running webOS Jan 06 03:01:17 like missing patch stuff, only have the chuck board for pixi and no actual msm code Jan 06 03:01:19 that's what they announced Jan 06 03:01:19 now after all this is done the first time, and I crack open a new shell what's the minimum I have to do to get the sb2 environment set Jan 06 03:01:25 I don't understand why I can't modify ownership of a directory located in /media/internal to a non-root user.. Jan 06 03:01:35 it's vfat Jan 06 03:01:42 egaudet: just what's on the doom page Jan 06 03:01:46 there's no permssions fields Jan 06 03:01:58 but you can change the mount options Jan 06 03:02:09 tmzt: and break other things Jan 06 03:02:23 oh? Jan 06 03:02:26 just don't use /media/... for anything that needs users, perms or symlinks Jan 06 03:02:42 simple as that. Jan 06 03:05:07 is it easy to get it to stage more libraries, I need SDL_mixer Jan 06 03:06:25 how is sbox2 going? Jan 06 03:07:41 tmzt: AAAAAAAAh... damn it.. I'm so stupid. I look at /etc/fstab, see that's it's a fat32 partition and it still doesn't click for me lol Jan 06 03:11:28 I think I'm going to port a raytracing Jan 06 03:11:34 s/tracing/tracer/ Jan 06 03:11:35 zsoc meant: I think I'm going to port a raytracer Jan 06 03:11:40 see if I can melt my phone for realsies Jan 06 03:12:54 lol Jan 06 03:13:05 raytracing on the pre :D Jan 06 03:13:07 s/port/build ... ;P Jan 06 03:13:32 if someone knows how to convert mod files to wavs that would help me out Jan 06 03:14:49 mod files Jan 06 03:14:50 hmm Jan 06 03:15:25 PuffTheMagic: Try super video converter Jan 06 03:15:29 it does almost anything Jan 06 03:15:36 not just for videos though it does music too Jan 06 03:16:11 PuffTheMagic: http://www.modplug.com/ .. Jan 06 03:17:02 linux Jan 06 03:17:16 bpadalino: so the opengles2 sdk is only 119M and is free Jan 06 03:17:33 the one from the pvrsgx people ? Jan 06 03:17:40 i downloaded it .. and it uses their pvrshell stuff Jan 06 03:17:41 cards can't take input after being swiped right? Jan 06 03:17:45 the demos look neat i guess .. Jan 06 03:17:49 only when full screen Jan 06 03:17:56 yeah just full screen Jan 06 03:18:51 rwhitby: opengles2 has been out for something like 2 years, and yet there is no opensource community that i can find releasing any sort of code or demo or anything. people should be ashamed. Jan 06 03:19:29 egaudet: just copy the SDL_image Makefile for SDL_mixer Jan 06 03:19:55 zsoc: there hasn't been any drivers/devices worth using it on either Jan 06 03:20:04 tmzt: .. iphone 3gs? Jan 06 03:20:09 egaudet: in preware/cross-compile/packages/.... Jan 06 03:20:11 2 years Jan 06 03:20:17 right right Jan 06 03:20:21 well still, 6 months :P Jan 06 03:22:03 zsoc, screw re-building other stuff and start modifying the triangle demo and make it better Jan 06 03:22:31 bpadalino: that involves learning opengles Jan 06 03:23:03 nah ... just modifying some code .. it's easy peasy Jan 06 03:24:05 yah, i'll use my WHE skills Jan 06 03:24:14 i have faith in you .. Jan 06 03:24:17 you're a smart guy Jan 06 03:24:28 bpadalino: now that's patronizing Jan 06 03:24:41 nah, i think you're good! Jan 06 03:24:46 I'm the one in here asking questions about an always-true if statement in C :p Jan 06 03:25:09 bpadalino: Not really, I know a little about a lot, which is basically what Puff does, but I do it worse. Jan 06 03:25:44 Templarian1: did u put that icon on the wiki? Jan 06 03:25:46 :( Jan 06 03:25:49 i know a little about a little Jan 06 03:26:29 PuffTheMagic: which icon? Jan 06 03:26:34 tetris Jan 06 03:26:37 Yea. Jan 06 03:26:40 k Jan 06 03:26:42 thanks Jan 06 03:26:46 np. Jan 06 03:27:00 PLEASE RELEASE 1.3.5 FOR BELL! Jan 06 03:27:12 this page is not working for me: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doom it's as if my mapping file is wrong, but I have the latest cross-compile Jan 06 03:27:12 a theramin native app would be kind of amusing .. throw some silly openGL abstract graphics in there - it'll be nothing but a hit Jan 06 03:27:23 entity-: NEVER! Jan 06 03:27:52 FRAK!!!! Jan 06 03:28:01 jacques: uh oh, that's not good Jan 06 03:28:04 jacques: what's wrong ? Jan 06 03:28:28 bpadalino, I'll pastebin itm just a sec Jan 06 03:28:34 okie dokie Jan 06 03:28:39 PSP uses opengles I'm not sure what version though. They have a nice homebrew community and I was orginally helping out with a map editor(on the PC) for one game. Jan 06 03:29:25 This channel is larger than perl6, I find that impressive,. Jan 06 03:29:26 well the silly sb2 shell messes with the screen and overwrites text so a paste will be corrupted Jan 06 03:29:34 :( Jan 06 03:29:51 Toaster23: opengles1/1.1 is not compatible with 2.0, major core changes. Jan 06 03:30:05 http://pastebin.com/m24fb3339 Jan 06 03:30:18 argh Jan 06 03:30:24 ignore that one. Jan 06 03:30:34 ok Jan 06 03:30:35 :) Jan 06 03:30:40 that was an easy fix tho :( Jan 06 03:30:42 there is a real error, but that's not it because it cd's me into some other dir when I shell Jan 06 03:31:33 zsoc: perl6 is dead, that's why Jan 06 03:31:52 bpadalino, http://pastebin.com/m3b585e21 Jan 06 03:32:05 basically, it claims it cannot find libSDL Jan 06 03:32:28 yeah that is pretty terrible Jan 06 03:32:37 rwhitby or destinal will have to help there .. Jan 06 03:32:43 i haven't done the cross-compile.git just yet Jan 06 03:32:44 :( Jan 06 03:33:45 bpadalino, at least it still works great with this line: sb2 -t armv7 -M /home/packages/palm/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 gcc -Wl,-rpath-link=/usr/local/lib -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL -L/usr/local/lib -o doomtriangle doomtriangle.c -lSDL -lGLESv2 Jan 06 03:33:56 Hmm.. there's no gpasswd? Jan 06 03:34:12 hrm, is /usr/local/lib in the auto search path ? Jan 06 03:34:14 or just /usr/lib ? Jan 06 03:34:25 alkos333 did you get your music working? Jan 06 03:34:39 Rick-home: Yes, thank you so much buddy! Jan 06 03:35:22 maybe my mapping file is wrong Jan 06 03:35:28 Rick-home: Really appreciate it. I've cat'ed /etc/fstab out several times, but it didn't hit me once that the reason I wasn't able to change ownership because it's a fat partition. Jan 06 03:36:21 i wish i knew how anything worked Jan 06 03:36:36 no, mapping file looks OK Jan 06 03:36:51 I missed the days when you could be a webos hacker extraordinaire by just knowing linux :P Jan 06 03:37:09 I mean not obviously wrong with nonsensical paths Jan 06 03:37:10 zsoc: yeah :( Jan 06 03:37:33 Alright, so I added a suid for /bin/su, removed sudo, now I'm trying to change my non-root user's group membership to users, but there is no gpasswd. Jan 06 03:37:45 jacques: just prefix commands with sb2 instead of starting a shell Jan 06 03:37:58 Can someone tell me perhaps why I'm getting an error when following the steps for scratchbox2 installation? When I run the "make stage" command it gives me a few errors in the end. "Error 127" "[staging-armv7] Error 2" Jan 06 03:38:04 rwhitby, I'll try it - does that page in current state work for you? Jan 06 03:38:12 I modified /etc/group, but when I log out and log back in, it just shows the previous group's id (which is now removed) instead of saying users .. Jan 06 03:38:40 dangerskew: pastebin please Jan 06 03:38:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_DOOM_with_scratchbox2 now has packaging and installation Jan 06 03:38:53 Rick-home: do you mind prettying up that wiki page for me? Jan 06 03:38:57 sections and such? Jan 06 03:39:16 destinal, does current http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doomwork for you? Jan 06 03:39:28 I just don't see how that can work with the map file I have Jan 06 03:39:40 (which is latest cross-compile checkout) Jan 06 03:40:12 rwhitby: can you check build.git and see if I did stuff right Jan 06 03:40:44 jacques: no, it can't quite work Jan 06 03:41:03 destinal, ok good. we're all still in sync. Jan 06 03:41:22 PuffTheMagic: all good except for the ? in LICENSE - we need to know that before we can release anythign Jan 06 03:41:42 jacques: try what's on there now Jan 06 03:42:52 d00d i want mario kart pre Jan 06 03:42:54 Rick-home Rick_work: still around? Jan 06 03:43:28 destinal, yes, that appears to work! Jan 06 03:43:37 rwhitby: the doom build instructions now make a totally functional installable IPK !! Jan 06 03:43:43 * destinal is pleased with himself Jan 06 03:44:04 egaudet: how to hide the on-screen keyboard in emulator? Jan 06 03:44:09 destinal, now I'm going to try doom :-D Jan 06 03:44:11 rwhitby: what do you think the 1.3.5.1 has different? Jan 06 03:44:12 pshhh, whatever. destinal is just a webos hacker ordinary Jan 06 03:44:23 rwhitby: will 1.3.5.1 affect our patches feed? Jan 06 03:44:24 dBsooner: no idea - it hasn't been pushed to me Jan 06 03:44:26 W.H.O. Jan 06 03:44:30 ameng, pageup doesn't work? Jan 06 03:44:32 rwhitby: it's to Bell users only. Jan 06 03:44:44 jacques: did I mention IPK, palm-install, palm-launch? Jan 06 03:44:46 dBsooner: we symlinked the feed yesterday Jan 06 03:44:50 ahh.. ok Jan 06 03:44:53 get the SDK on your vm if you don't have it Jan 06 03:44:54 Just making sure. Jan 06 03:44:55 egaudet: yeah Jan 06 03:44:57 I haven't tested a lot on emulator with it, so it might be buggy and not close Jan 06 03:45:08 guys at work actually call me webos hacker extraordinary. they think it is hysterical. Jan 06 03:45:09 try esc to minimize card Jan 06 03:45:10 aupt works on 135 to 1351? Jan 06 03:45:28 oil: no clue as I don't hvae 1351 as an update available.. Jan 06 03:45:33 its only avail for Bell users. Jan 06 03:45:34 oil: it's unecessary, they are symlinked and therefore not new versions Jan 06 03:45:35 aupt works always everywhere, it's magic Jan 06 03:45:41 egaudet: lies Jan 06 03:45:41 dBsooner, no Jan 06 03:45:43 oil: also, you don't need to remove anything to update Jan 06 03:45:46 destinal, wow you have been busy Jan 06 03:45:50 i am sprint and i have 1.3.5.1 Jan 06 03:45:53 it keeps telling me "next time you charge imma install this" Jan 06 03:45:54 dsooner Jan 06 03:45:56 egaudet: as long as the unicorn blood doesn't run out Jan 06 03:45:57 jacques: :) Jan 06 03:46:00 1.3.5 is out for bell? Jan 06 03:46:01 LIES Jan 06 03:46:11 1.3.5.1 IS OUT for bell Jan 06 03:46:11 1351 is for sprint Jan 06 03:46:14 lol Jan 06 03:46:17 no, it's out ofr BELL Jan 06 03:46:21 * dBsooner promises. Jan 06 03:46:26 dBsooner, I HAVE 1.3.5.1 Jan 06 03:46:29 that's a fact Jan 06 03:46:32 egaudet: FINE! Jan 06 03:46:34 I got OTA'd Jan 06 03:46:34 * dBsooner updates Jan 06 03:46:47 * oil punches dbsooner in the twitter followers list Jan 06 03:46:47 shit.. I have to unpatch everything Jan 06 03:46:53 dBsooner: NO YOU DONT Jan 06 03:46:54 bah Jan 06 03:46:55 * oil knows thats where a punch would really hurt :) Jan 06 03:46:55 oil, you have aupt btw? Jan 06 03:47:01 not yet Jan 06 03:47:04 heh, mine hasn't noticed the update yet Jan 06 03:47:06 zsoc: yes I dol Jan 06 03:47:07 it keeps telling me it wants to install Jan 06 03:47:11 dBsooner: what are you updating from? Jan 06 03:47:14 zsoc: I have APT patches installed Jan 06 03:47:15 huh? Jan 06 03:47:22 1.3.5 Jan 06 03:47:29 hm. Jan 06 03:47:30 pay apps now Jan 06 03:47:33 or still no? Jan 06 03:47:37 dBsooner, 1.3.5.1 is insignificant Jan 06 03:47:49 unless you have a calendar patch you PROBABLY don't have to worry Jan 06 03:47:52 fixes the Calendar right? Jan 06 03:47:57 so insignificant, i don't even want it Jan 06 03:47:59 jacques: are you trying doom build and package now? I'm very interested to get confirmation besides myself Jan 06 03:48:02 * dBsooner is pissed about his EAS calendar Jan 06 03:48:14 egaudet: And palm forces updates. ;) Jan 06 03:48:19 destinal, yes, I'm just starting it now Jan 06 03:48:24 * dBsooner goes to run EPR Jan 06 03:48:34 Still having issues even after running the Emergency Migration Tool. I reinstalled preware, it went through it's boot screen updating, then nothing. I've tried rebooting a few times, no luck. Should I just wipe it or are there any other ideas? Jan 06 03:48:35 and install AUPT patches Jan 06 03:48:35 1.3.5.1 just fixes the 01/01/2010 EAS issue Jan 06 03:48:38 its not downlaoding' Jan 06 03:48:39 then will 1.3.5.1 update Jan 06 03:49:09 or will AUPT from 1.3.5 to 1.3.5.1 work? Jan 06 03:49:14 my last test run of AUPT passed, but I made sure I had no dependencies Jan 06 03:49:23 are packs in 1.3.5.1 known as "_1.3.5_*.ipk"? Jan 06 03:49:23 94 patches updated via update all Jan 06 03:49:36 check the feed Jan 06 03:49:38 Actually, it looks like no home-brewed apps even work now. Jan 06 03:49:50 well I install USCL and the Memo's patch Jan 06 03:49:54 Memo's patch requires USCL Jan 06 03:50:01 yea that won't work with updating Jan 06 03:51:03 holy smokes its downloading slowly Jan 06 03:51:23 yep, they are symlinked Jan 06 03:51:29 so 1.3.5 to 1.3.5.1 wouldn't show any updates Jan 06 03:51:34 destinal, doom compiled, downloading .wad now Jan 06 03:51:52 i wanna play doom and quake! Jan 06 03:52:01 I feel like I should actually _work_ on doom Jan 06 03:52:05 This is a pickle Jan 06 03:52:07 make it playable Jan 06 03:52:15 How do you guys change user group membership? Jan 06 03:52:18 on the pre that is.. Jan 06 03:52:50 PuffTheMagic: so you added an icon.. will that push to the feeds now? Jan 06 03:53:03 oh yea dBsooner btw there's a bug in patching system that causes EPR to completely ignore some files Jan 06 03:53:13 huh? Jan 06 03:53:24 well then I'll just remove all by hand Jan 06 03:53:27 zsoc: porting other stuff is probably higher priority for the moment if you feel like it Jan 06 03:53:29 egaudet: also, in case you missed palm cast, Jason wrote EPR Jan 06 03:53:31 anything we can get for rob's demo Jan 06 03:53:37 s/rob/rick/ Jan 06 03:53:38 destinal meant: anything we can get for rick's demo Jan 06 03:53:40 lol@rob Jan 06 03:53:42 no idea where that came from Jan 06 03:53:42 i love rob Jan 06 03:53:57 like rb for his initials?? err Jan 06 03:53:59 freeciv works, it just takes a few minutes to load a new game Jan 06 03:54:02 he'll need a save lol Jan 06 03:54:08 zsoc, huh what Jan 06 03:54:12 I did miss palmcast Jan 06 03:54:29 who stated Jason wrote EPR? Jan 06 03:54:39 It's ok, rod set it straight and they corrected themselves on air :) Jan 06 03:54:40 Keith Jan 06 03:54:48 Keith is a moron Jan 06 03:54:48 ;) Jan 06 03:54:51 :) Jan 06 03:54:54 Hey, I didn't say it Jan 06 03:54:57 lol Jan 06 03:54:57 xD Jan 06 03:55:03 rwhitby: I wrote a palm-game-fix script to make palm-package'd IPK's into functional game IPK's Jan 06 03:55:11 using type: game method Jan 06 03:55:18 He also said my definition of his definition of "quirky" was wrong, which is silly. Jan 06 03:55:31 destinal: bam! owned Jan 06 03:55:31 zsoc, btw changing the resolution screws it all up Jan 06 03:55:36 (supertux) Jan 06 03:55:38 egaudet: good to know lol Jan 06 03:55:47 egaudet: that's going to be an issue for optimization, howabout native bitres? Jan 06 03:56:00 alkos333: everything on the Pre runs as root Jan 06 03:56:09 quirky things happen but theres always a reason why they happen even if ur not smart enough to know what the reason is Jan 06 03:56:23 oh yeah, egaudet: I can't install VKB Jan 06 03:56:42 JMyaDaGod: heh. but the point is 99% of the time, if you troubleshoot with someone in here, we will figure it out Jan 06 03:57:16 destinal: put it in cross-compile/scripts ? Jan 06 03:57:17 yea i am on ur side ......like i said even if he isnt smart enought to know why it happened there is still a reason Jan 06 03:57:23 JMyaDaGod: therefore your phone isn't acting 'quirky', you just messed it up pebpau style. Jan 06 03:57:30 rwhitby: Well, su was erroring out until I added a suid bit Jan 06 03:57:41 * zsoc copyrights "pebpau" Jan 06 03:57:47 although maybe it should be pebwdau Jan 06 03:57:56 pebpaui was googling it lol Jan 06 03:58:10 person and UI ? Jan 06 03:58:11 rwhitby: optware-bootstrap-manual.sh created a non-root user which belongs to a group with the same name as the user, but I'd like to change it to users. Jan 06 03:58:13 JMyaDaGod: Problem Exists Between Pre (or Webos Device) and User Jan 06 03:58:15 rwhitby: only downside of it really is it makes everything in the root of the ipkg 755 since it can't know which files should be scripts or binaries or data. since it's in an app dir I think that's only a minor issue Jan 06 03:58:23 How would I do that on pre without gpasswd? Jan 06 03:58:25 oh god i did it wrong Jan 06 03:58:26 * zsoc fails Jan 06 03:58:34 * zsoc fails hard Jan 06 03:58:48 Yeah, what rod said :p Jan 06 03:58:57 32 bpp doesn't seem to effect anything vs 0 Jan 06 03:58:59 alkos333: yeah, that's why we're deprecating the optware-bootstrap-manual script Jan 06 03:59:22 alkos333: you could edit /etc/group if you really wanted to Jan 06 03:59:22 dBsooner, you need OBSOLETE VKB to remove the created files Jan 06 03:59:22 egaudet: probably ends up getting set to 32 anyway Jan 06 03:59:24 rwhitby: Good to hear :) Jan 06 03:59:26 yea Jan 06 03:59:32 egaudet: maybe we can scale down some of the images? it does preload them ALL Jan 06 03:59:48 egaudet: why not just make the postinst of VKB do what OBSOLETE does? Jan 06 03:59:54 egaudet: when do you think we can remove obsolete VKB ? Jan 06 03:59:55 destinal: I did, but now when I log in, and run "id" it shows the id of the group that I removed and doesn't say the user belongs to the "users" group Jan 06 04:00:08 rwhitby, after AUPT is released? Jan 06 04:00:21 alkos333: that doesn't make sense at all Jan 06 04:00:54 alright well supertux is ready at least for rick, we can optimize later Jan 06 04:01:05 destinal: You are telling me.. Jan 06 04:01:09 I just need an icon and then I'll push the Makefile so it will get in preware Jan 06 04:01:16 "this is a unix system! I know this!" -- Lex @ Jurassic Park Jan 06 04:01:17 me@palm-webos-device ~ $ id Jan 06 04:01:17 uid=1001(me) gid=1001 Jan 06 04:01:24 destinal: the other option is to use ipkg-build instead of palm-package Jan 06 04:01:41 rwhitby: can't see any need Jan 06 04:01:42 egaudet: latest binary for supertux? Jan 06 04:01:54 destinal: 1001 was a group created under the same name as the username ... which is stupid Jan 06 04:01:59 rwhitby, The latest commit in git has the app and everything Jan 06 04:02:05 egaudet: thx Jan 06 04:02:05 alkos333: it's the red hat, debian way of life Jan 06 04:02:08 I have the makefile building locally it just is missing an icon Jan 06 04:02:09 egaudet: do we package? Jan 06 04:02:22 but it's 'ready' aside from that Jan 06 04:02:31 omfg Jan 06 04:02:33 destinal: saves having two scripts doing the same thing Jan 06 04:02:35 haven't pushed to build.git yet until I find an icon Jan 06 04:02:39 even unpacking is taking a long time Jan 06 04:02:45 destinal: Anyway, so I removed it from /etc/group and added my user to the users line .. logged out, logged back in, and I'm getting that crap from id Jan 06 04:02:55 hey how did you guys screenshot doom? Jan 06 04:02:58 rwhitby: sure but without palm awareness we'll have to add more stuff to it Jan 06 04:03:02 rwhitby: where are the build logs again? Jan 06 04:03:05 to wrap it I mean Jan 06 04:03:07 not a big deal Jan 06 04:03:18 zsoc: logs.nslu2-linux.org Jan 06 04:03:31 destinal: I suspect the next SDK release will fix this Jan 06 04:03:37 same here Jan 06 04:03:42 I think that preware/cross-compile.git should have a target that puts all libs from doctor into /usr/local/lib scratchbox area Jan 06 04:04:03 egaudet: doing them one at a time so we can do headers too Jan 06 04:04:03 As, 'mason', that's the part i didn't get. Jan 06 04:04:16 zsoc: castle ... mason ... get it? Jan 06 04:04:17 jacques: any luck? Jan 06 04:04:28 rwhitby: yes. also looks like the last build failed ;) Jan 06 04:04:37 Running WebOSDoctor wipes your music/photos, right? Jan 06 04:04:39 rwhitby, no I agree in that, but I mean an initial step to get me all the libraries will help because for instance SDL_mixer needed like 5 other audio libs from the pre that we have no source for Jan 06 04:04:44 destinal, just other problems not related to those instructions. built and moved to pre, now to try runnin Jan 06 04:05:18 egaudet: ah, I see. see the libnapp Makefile for an example of how to do any package from the Pre Jan 06 04:05:27 gathright: not since 1.3.1 Jan 06 04:05:28 GAT: apparently not after 1.3.1 Jan 06 04:05:29 gathright: I dont think Doctor touches the /media/internal partition Jan 06 04:05:46 can't wait until Rick gets on, he'll be able to get new native stuff working like gangbusters especially if type: game is good enough for now :) Jan 06 04:05:57 ah, cool. That makes me feel better then Jan 06 04:06:13 PuffTheMagic: we can't release TetriCrisis until the licensing is resolved. At the moment, it's proprietary code without any redistribution rights. Jan 06 04:06:27 Why is there a /etc/passwd- if there isn't even a shadowconfig installed? Jan 06 04:06:43 This doesn't make any sense. Jan 06 04:06:55 passwd- is just a backup file Jan 06 04:08:20 destinal, doom runs, but all I can do is shoot - I tried pressing keys but never moved. maybe that's a different issue ? Jan 06 04:08:38 jacques: the keybindings may need work Jan 06 04:08:54 this is not the version that zsoc did Jan 06 04:08:58 just a "hello world" Jan 06 04:09:13 destinal, I'm not complaining at all. just wanted to make sure it was a known issue Jan 06 04:09:19 rwhitby: libsdl.org lists it as GPL, I'd imagine that's a reliable source? Jan 06 04:09:32 jacques: are you interested in trying the packaging part of the wiki article? Jan 06 04:09:35 I need a tester for that Jan 06 04:09:38 the game displays properly and sound works and I can shoot, so I would guess it's just a keymapping issue of some sort Jan 06 04:09:58 destinal, yeah let me look through it and try it Jan 06 04:10:28 destinal, oops I don't have the palm SDK installed :-) Jan 06 04:10:29 I'm excited because I think we've _significantly_ lowered the barrier to entry now Jan 06 04:10:38 zsoc: where? Jan 06 04:10:52 just about anyone familiar with SDL and compiling things can jump in Jan 06 04:10:54 rwhitby: http://www.libsdl.org/games.php?order=name&category=-1&completed=0&os=-1&match_name=tetris&perpage=50 Jan 06 04:11:29 jacques: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.3.5.368/sdkBinaries/palm-sdk_1.3.5-svn234138-sdk117-pho368_i386.deb Jan 06 04:11:42 that's linux sdk Jan 06 04:11:52 duh .deb should make it obvious Jan 06 04:12:09 destinal, yeah I have the file. but haven't installed it. maybe I should install it in the ubuntu vm Jan 06 04:12:16 hmm, hadn't considered that Jan 06 04:12:20 jacques: I recommend it Jan 06 04:12:34 you could just copy the ipk out and install it with palm-install on another machine Jan 06 04:12:43 zsoc: ok, we can release with that - I've shot an email to the author to confirm, since there is no license information on his website or in any of the files Jan 06 04:13:12 destinal: we're the guys teaching the people to fish .... Jan 06 04:13:18 rwhitby: we can always take it down if we have to :) it says FREE a lot tho, in giant letters. y'know, like speech ;) Jan 06 04:13:33 * zsoc gives all the newbies a fish Jan 06 04:13:41 or ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install Jan 06 04:13:45 jacques: ^^ Jan 06 04:13:48 zsoc: ah, I now see "THE Open-Source Cross-Platform Tetris(R) Video Game!" on his website. all is good. Jan 06 04:13:52 rwhitby: was that you that broke the build on purpose then? :p i want to show my wife, she loves tetris Jan 06 04:14:03 zsoc: not me Jan 06 04:14:08 hmph Jan 06 04:14:14 PuffTheMagic: go fix your build :P Jan 06 04:14:17 destinal, yeah that last one is probably what I'll do, after I get the SDK installed and the package created Jan 06 04:14:58 then you'd have to rescan and run Jan 06 04:15:04 simple enough though I guess Jan 06 04:15:51 so now I just have to port something to feel like I've contributed enough to rick's efforts :) Jan 06 04:16:15 rwhitby, should I push the supertux build.git Jan 06 04:16:18 since he wants toys to show Jan 06 04:16:20 destinal: catalysts are important Jan 06 04:16:26 egaudet: your call Jan 06 04:16:27 rwhitby: crap, just needs the data files. I can commit them if you give me access.. unless he didn't want it pushed for some reason.. Jan 06 04:16:32 omg Jan 06 04:16:37 its stuck on unpacking Jan 06 04:16:39 zsoc: they are there, under src/src Jan 06 04:16:51 rwhitby: oh. then move them? :> Jan 06 04:17:07 zsoc: PuffTheMagic just needs to fix the Makefile Jan 06 04:17:10 * zsoc pushes other peoples projects around Jan 06 04:17:19 zsoc: he must have pushed without testing Jan 06 04:18:05 rwhitby: well technically the data files are in the right place if you're building from source, but you're just packaging, right? Jan 06 04:18:21 ok supertux pushed Jan 06 04:19:55 zsoc: yeah, packaging is completely unimportant. Jan 06 04:20:27 everyone should be forced to build from source Jan 06 04:20:45 destinal, OK this is going to take a while. I need to install java and who knows what in the VM for the SDK. Jan 06 04:20:57 rwhitby: that's why i'm asking, if your autobuilder is building the makefile in /src, the data/ folder is in the correct relative position Jan 06 04:21:38 jacques: sun-java-jdk or something Jan 06 04:21:55 and virtualbox ... I don't have that kind of bandwidth here :-\ Jan 06 04:22:10 do I need all that just to use palm-package or whatever ? Jan 06 04:22:47 I just want to use palm-package, not -install nor -launch Jan 06 04:23:14 jacques: just use ipkg-build from /srv/preware/build/toolchain/ipkg-utils Jan 06 04:23:45 * rwhitby makes the autobuilder bypass broken packages Jan 06 04:24:29 lol Jan 06 04:25:06 * rwhitby also wonders why, when someone sees a directory of 15 existing packages, all using lower case and hyphens, they decide to put TetriCrisis alongside the rest. Jan 06 04:25:10 rwhitby, OK that's a good solution for getting a package, but not for verifying destinal's howto Jan 06 04:25:47 I'm going to get java in the VM anyway, starting now. might take a long time to download tho. Jan 06 04:26:11 rwhitby, unless we change the howto :-D Jan 06 04:27:13 jacques: well, in my opinion we should teach them how to do a full packaging Makefile, so we just just autobuild it as-is Jan 06 04:27:20 jacques: does everything look ok for the most part then? Jan 06 04:27:37 rwhitby: the thing is I want to teach people how to do this, not only for apps going into our feed Jan 06 04:27:51 destinal: agreed Jan 06 04:28:07 so someone should write up another one of these on putting it into webos-internals and mention its existence IN the howto Jan 06 04:28:10 and encourage it Jan 06 04:28:36 destinal, everything was perfect as far as building and running doom Jan 06 04:29:05 for anyone new to the conversation this is re: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_DOOM_with_scratchbox2 :) Jan 06 04:29:13 (plug) Jan 06 04:29:24 the build was almost too easy :-) Jan 06 04:31:53 destinal: the wiki page refers to appinfo.json type= web, is that correct? Jan 06 04:32:11 bitshifter1001: that's just to get it past the validation done by palm-package Jan 06 04:32:30 we fix it up later as shown in the script above which we execute down below Jan 06 04:32:32 (just saw the news good for you bell users and your 1.3.5.1 :) Jan 06 04:32:36 we change it to type game Jan 06 04:32:45 cool... thanks! Jan 06 04:33:29 How does anyone feel about a game that relys on python libs for physics? Jan 06 04:33:39 current projection over 20 minutes just to download java Jan 06 04:34:09 zsoc python for physics? wouldnt it be faster to use a C++ physics lib? Jan 06 04:34:12 jacques: almost as bad as my youtube uploads that I just leave running overnight Jan 06 04:34:19 Toaster23: er, sorry, maybe it's ai Jan 06 04:34:36 rwhitby, yeah this connected has seriously degraded over the past few months Jan 06 04:34:49 zsoc: AI with python is much better :) Jan 06 04:35:24 zsoc: for physics I would look at Box 2D Jan 06 04:35:46 zsoc: you talking about an existing game or one you're creating? Jan 06 04:36:26 I have successfully updated to 1.3.523 Jan 06 04:36:33 did Rick_work go to bed? what did we decide for his demo? Jan 06 04:36:39 Alright, so just updated to 1.3.5.1 Jan 06 04:36:59 Rick_work: Were you able to get the artwork to work in the music app by any chance? Jan 06 04:37:11 canucks stil have bewta app catalog Jan 06 04:37:15 LAME!!!!!!!! Jan 06 04:37:46 "Input Device Mouse Joins the Game". Jan 06 04:37:54 oh stdout comments no one ever sees.. how i love you Jan 06 04:38:11 egaudet: it's in the feeds Jan 06 04:38:18 zsoc, what do you think of acel for movement in games Jan 06 04:38:22 rwhitby: port, for your answer Jan 06 04:38:31 jack87: i think it's smooth if we figure out how to implement it properly Jan 06 04:38:37 yea just pushed an update (forgot icon for app) Jan 06 04:38:48 it's a bit "too sensitive" by default. we need a range of "center" where the game doesn't event movement Jan 06 04:39:20 zsoc, tipping forward would go more forward you tip faster run.. same for back.. tip left right for strafe... and left thumb can be virtual youstick (mouse) for looking Jan 06 04:39:21 How do you guys plan on working out the scummVM inputs? I know for monkey island 3 you need a right click Jan 06 04:39:37 zsoc, ya a pretty decent size dead zone Jan 06 04:39:46 jack87: exactly, that's the one thing i haven't looked it Jan 06 04:40:04 is the multiplayer on quake? Jan 06 04:40:16 zsoc, i think it could work really well... i keep thinking half life and counter strike and it could go a long way Jan 06 04:40:21 entity-, no Jan 06 04:41:32 jack87: I think we should do accel strafe in quake to test it out and see how it works Jan 06 04:41:43 where do i fidn the controls Jan 06 04:41:45 for quake Jan 06 04:41:45 would allow you full movement while firing... Jan 06 04:41:52 on the wiki page Jan 06 04:41:59 jack87: yeah, mousejs for movement, accel strafe Jan 06 04:42:21 Supertux works for me Jan 06 04:42:39 zsoc, i been thinking it since early quake controls (since doom when you and i were talking actually) Jan 06 04:42:41 egaudet: we need something in the description about the startup time and how to get through the initial menus to the game which plays reasonably well Jan 06 04:42:57 Toaster23: right click could be done with gesture-hold or something Jan 06 04:43:07 entity-, cryptk|work was talking to you about the wiki page Jan 06 04:43:09 destinal: ahh okay thanks :) Jan 06 04:43:20 i can;'t even figure it out Jan 06 04:43:34 entity-, did you look at the wiki? Jan 06 04:43:54 rwhitby: fix Makefile how? Jan 06 04:44:06 entity-, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake Jan 06 04:44:08 entity: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake#Controls_v1.1.0_and_up Jan 06 04:44:09 entity-: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake Jan 06 04:44:15 im there Jan 06 04:44:16 lol Jan 06 04:44:17 haha, double with jack87 Jan 06 04:44:19 haha Jan 06 04:44:29 en0x, if you cant figure it out.. i dont know what else to tell you Jan 06 04:44:30 i can't move the selector Jan 06 04:44:31 bitshifter1001: did you try out the article, and if so, is the technique working for you? Jan 06 04:44:33 scroll down to the control section Jan 06 04:44:36 it is all right there Jan 06 04:44:36 on the main menu Jan 06 04:44:48 entity-, read entire control scheme? Jan 06 04:44:49 PuffTheMagic: the location of the build/src/src/data directory Jan 06 04:44:58 App takes close to 10 seconds to initially load, please be patient. You can tilt up/down to navigate the menus and tap Gesture area to select. Alternatively you may use the keyboard controls and enter key to navigate menus. Jan 06 04:45:00 ahh Jan 06 04:45:02 rwhitby, is that good? Jan 06 04:45:05 ack have to run for a bit Jan 06 04:45:10 egaudet: yep Jan 06 04:45:32 destinal: I havent run into any issues yet Jan 06 04:45:36 PuffTheMagic: and I don't think install -m does recursive on directories Jan 06 04:45:36 i found up and down Jan 06 04:45:37 cool Jan 06 04:45:40 what is select Jan 06 04:45:50 rwhitby, should I add meta version stuff to Makefile or just re-tag Jan 06 04:46:03 entity-, sorry thats not mapped..... figured it was a given.. enter key Jan 06 04:46:18 egaudet: update and push makefile and I will force a rebuild Jan 06 04:46:24 k Jan 06 04:46:32 entity-, im not going to put it in the wiki haha like i said given ;) Jan 06 04:46:50 lol Jan 06 04:46:55 dude what is back Jan 06 04:46:59 i wednt into multiplayer Jan 06 04:47:05 pushed Jan 06 04:47:09 there is a virtual joystick Jan 06 04:47:14 it uses the touchscreen Jan 06 04:47:24 read the controls section... it really is all right there Jan 06 04:47:31 escape Jan 06 04:47:38 how i escape to previous menu Jan 06 04:47:43 .... Jan 06 04:47:51 nm Jan 06 04:47:52 q Jan 06 04:48:05 it is all on the wiki man... it really really is... Jan 06 04:48:21 rtfw?? Jan 06 04:48:32 lulzget Jan 06 04:48:45 nebula: lol Jan 06 04:48:54 entity-, anything we tell you here its already in the wiki.. no difference from hear it from us i promise Jan 06 04:50:22 is there a wiki for supertux Jan 06 04:50:23 ? Jan 06 04:50:28 infobot: seen rwhitby Jan 06 04:50:31 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 3h 24m 39s) #nslu2-linux (2d 3h 24m 39s). Has said a total of 598 messages. Is idling for 4m 14s, last said: 'egaudet: update and push makefile and I will force a rebuild'. Jan 06 04:50:50 haha that is sick Jan 06 04:51:00 you can't paly anything though Jan 06 04:51:06 its all for reg users Jan 06 04:51:12 So what needs to be done in order to be able to ssh in as a root? Jan 06 04:51:15 JMyaDaGod: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SuperTux Jan 06 04:51:31 alkos333: don't do it Jan 06 04:51:37 use sudo su - Jan 06 04:51:46 if you _really_ need root Jan 06 04:51:55 nebula: we do root with ssh keys only now, via the OpenSSH package in Preware Jan 06 04:51:58 lol i never filled on out but ill try Jan 06 04:52:25 rwhitby: you think thats ok? hrm, i have a different stance, but as long as ssh keys are used i'm more impartial Jan 06 04:52:30 JMyaDaGod, i can make controller map for wiki was it PuffTheMagic that made supertux? Jan 06 04:52:37 nebula: ssh keys only Jan 06 04:52:41 k Jan 06 04:53:00 alkos333: i take it back, check www.webos-internals.org Jan 06 04:53:20 alkos333: the Homepage link for OpenSSH package has key creation instructions Jan 06 04:53:37 rwhitby: Yes, I use a ssh key for the regular user. Jan 06 04:54:02 *an ssh Jan 06 04:54:08 my preware isnt seeing my already installed apps Jan 06 04:54:44 sheesh i gotta get up to date Jan 06 04:54:52 uninstall then reinstall preware. Jan 06 04:55:26 can anyone help me with services? Specifically, I'm trying to learn how the maps app works, I've successfully pulled the sources off my pre, and I've got them in Eclipse Jan 06 04:55:49 where is the documentation for the palm://com.palm.bus/signal service? Jan 06 04:57:16 rwhitby: is there a log from the autobuilder? Jan 06 04:58:02 PuffTheMagic: logs.nslu2-linux.org - mason is the autobuilder Jan 06 04:58:51 thanks Jan 06 05:00:35 destinal-wirc, rwhitby I only needed java and the sdk (no virtualbox) for palm-package to work. now I just need to install the ipk on the pre Jan 06 05:00:59 jacques: palm-install Jan 06 05:00:59 Hey, I'm late to the party... like three days late. What is "SuperTux?" Jan 06 05:01:20 Appstache: next game release Jan 06 05:01:50 I see, and is it an original game then? Jan 06 05:02:05 rwhitby, I can't do that because I don't have the SDk on a machine which I can connect ot the pre - unless I can somehow palm-install from the VM Jan 06 05:02:14 http://supertux.lethargik.org/ Jan 06 05:02:20 http://supertux.lethargik.org/ Jan 06 05:02:22 it plays like original mario bros type of game Jan 06 05:02:24 damn, beat me to it... Jan 06 05:02:36 I see, excellent. Jan 06 05:02:37 how am I always 5 seconds too late to paste in a link, lol Jan 06 05:02:39 it's an open source platformer starring linux penguin Jan 06 05:02:40 jacques: scp and ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install ... Jan 06 05:02:40 That's what I was hoping. Jan 06 05:02:47 rwhitby, I forgot to bump version in appinfo.json Jan 06 05:02:49 and amazingly addictive Jan 06 05:02:50 should i just do a .2 Jan 06 05:02:54 egaudet: ok Jan 06 05:02:55 rwhitby, yeah that's what I'm going to try Jan 06 05:03:26 any ideas when supertux will be ready? Jan 06 05:03:36 and is there a dev copy I could snatch from somewhere? Jan 06 05:03:44 cryptk|work: it's in Preware now Jan 06 05:03:56 REALLY?!? Jan 06 05:04:09 yeah, we don't muck around here ... Jan 06 05:04:12 updating feeds now Jan 06 05:04:17 eric is a WHO Jan 06 05:04:27 haha, was it just put up recently or something? Jan 06 05:04:32 yep Jan 06 05:04:52 cause I think I just checked preware before I came into work... only been here for 45 minutes, lol Jan 06 05:05:09 otha side of tha wurld yo Jan 06 05:05:17 yea it was put in within the last 20 minutes Jan 06 05:05:39 sweet, installing now Jan 06 05:05:45 I am loving all these game ports Jan 06 05:05:52 SDL really opened the flood gates Jan 06 05:05:53 Me as well. Jan 06 05:05:54 destinal-wirc, rwhitby there was no mention of putting an icon in the package ... is that going to be a problem? Jan 06 05:06:10 you guys have been hitting about 1 game per 5 days... maybe a little uicker Jan 06 05:06:13 it will just show up as a moon Jan 06 05:06:25 1 game per 5 days? Jan 06 05:06:29 s/uicker/quicker/ Jan 06 05:06:29 cryptk|work meant: you guys have been hitting about 1 game per 5 days... maybe a little quicker Jan 06 05:06:34 like every 2 days Jan 06 05:06:40 is more like it Jan 06 05:06:44 yeah Jan 06 05:06:45 icon is really optional Jan 06 05:06:54 yeah, Jan 06 05:07:01 Are there any firm plan for the next few releases? Jan 06 05:07:03 TetriCrisis is in preware now too :D Jan 06 05:07:07 You guys rock :D Jan 06 05:07:10 I wish the sdl Xbomber port wasn't so bad. I like bomberman Jan 06 05:07:13 and would have good net play Jan 06 05:07:18 PuffTheMagic: wtg Jan 06 05:07:29 zsoc: there are a few bomerman like clones Jan 06 05:07:34 PuffTheMagic: Thanks to you a certain female I know will now steal my phone.. Jan 06 05:07:36 zsoc: new controls though Jan 06 05:07:40 She loves tetris.. Jan 06 05:07:40 so, how many WHE's do we have now? Jan 06 05:07:45 Who was working on zsnes? Jan 06 05:07:56 rwhitby: no no, I'm the WHE. We have many WHOs tho Jan 06 05:08:07 zsoc, I kind of was Jan 06 05:08:09 no way Jan 06 05:08:10 roms? Jan 06 05:08:12 damn Tcl Jan 06 05:08:15 zsoc, dtzWill, egaudet, PuffTheMagic, rwhitby, ... Jan 06 05:08:24 cryptk|work, i think its only been 5 days sine zsoc released doom Jan 06 05:08:24 egaudet: how bad would it be to fix up spiffy? Jan 06 05:08:34 destinal, jacques, jack87 Jan 06 05:08:45 jacques good caych tho Jan 06 05:08:49 jack87: i think 29th or 30th, so 7-8 Jan 06 05:08:56 L) Jan 06 05:08:58 :) Jan 06 05:09:05 I released doom slightly after midnight on 1st Jan 06 05:09:07 (here) Jan 06 05:09:15 will update Jan 06 05:09:27 it's now 3:30pm on 6th Jan 06 05:09:28 Hm, then it was early 30th when i gave it to him here Jan 06 05:09:29 so yeah Jan 06 05:09:36 6.5 days Jan 06 05:09:37 OK there is a crescent moon icon, I can click it, but DOOM never launches Jan 06 05:09:45 well, I stand corrected, a game every 2.5 days Jan 06 05:09:57 zsoc, 5 days Jan 06 05:09:59 :) Jan 06 05:10:02 4 Jan 06 05:10:14 average game a day Jan 06 05:10:20 PuffTheMagic: you need a description with control info ;) Jan 06 05:10:22 doom, quake, supertux, tetricrisis in 6.5 days. Jan 06 05:10:36 did you run fix? Jan 06 05:10:40 rwhitby: might have a break out tonight Jan 06 05:10:41 and scummvm? Jan 06 05:10:46 rwhitby: i wouldn't call these true ports really... quake and supertux had much work put into them for controls. not so much for the other 2 ;) Jan 06 05:10:47 scummvm waiting for controls, not released yet Jan 06 05:10:51 destinal-wirc, yep I ran fix and it didn't give any errors Jan 06 05:11:01 hmm Jan 06 05:11:06 zsoc: anything playable is an initial port Jan 06 05:11:08 And apparently Zsnes? Jan 06 05:11:13 sdlmame failing to build Jan 06 05:11:40 This is the best Tetris game of all time. I love this kid. I have to write him a letter. Jan 06 05:12:26 destinal-wirc, this is the output of palm-package and fix... http://pastebin.com/m65963b35 Jan 06 05:12:49 PuffTheMagic: ok, where is the quick drop button NOW? :p Jan 06 05:12:52 zsoc, I dunno, my crazy environment wasn't working out so well yesterday with zsnes Jan 06 05:13:10 ah w Jan 06 05:13:14 I'm gonna try again but just need to grab tcl static library Jan 06 05:13:18 * jack87 votes supertux game of the year Jan 06 05:13:26 er s Jan 06 05:13:29 ican't figure out supertux control at all either Jan 06 05:13:46 should have read preware decription! :P Jan 06 05:13:50 rwhitby, that various mames have always been a pain to build Jan 06 05:14:07 zsoc: qwse are the arrow keys Jan 06 05:14:10 controls for supertux are probably the easiest so far Jan 06 05:14:11 so, how does one debug a non-launching package? Jan 06 05:14:12 o and p are the rotate Jan 06 05:14:14 zsoc: ^ Jan 06 05:14:34 jacques: same way we found native launch Jan 06 05:14:37 entity-, tilt left right and tap gesture lol thats it Jan 06 05:14:54 rwhitby, painfully? Jan 06 05:14:57 PmCtlLog show then PmCllLog set LunaSysMgr debug then tail /var/log/messages Jan 06 05:15:10 (modulo typos) Jan 06 05:15:15 entity-, tap screen to shoot and tilt toward you to duck Jan 06 05:15:20 I think entity- is control challenged... Jan 06 05:15:59 cryptk|work, ya he knows how to read so maybe controls just are not his thing. entity- how old are you Jan 06 05:16:14 super tux is ftw Jan 06 05:16:38 i still cant figure it out Jan 06 05:16:49 supertux has a mouse!!! Jan 06 05:16:55 you have a mouse Jan 06 05:16:56 lol tapping full screen crashes Jan 06 05:17:11 egaudet: yeah, you should prolly nix the mouse/cursor Jan 06 05:17:30 well it's only in menus Jan 06 05:17:35 ah Jan 06 05:17:39 i think its cool Jan 06 05:17:47 but yea the mouse cursor doesn't make sense as what it is Jan 06 05:17:58 more like a marker for your last tap :p Jan 06 05:18:20 tapping fullscreen crashes? Jan 06 05:18:42 i like how you can control the length of jumps Jan 06 05:19:29 * cryptk|work loves how simple it is to play supertux Jan 06 05:19:38 * jack87 cant figure out why its all snow and ice Jan 06 05:19:39 i cant figuer it out Jan 06 05:19:54 dude seriously... hold the phone sideways Jan 06 05:19:57 entity-: is officially a troll, that is all Jan 06 05:19:59 tilt it left to move left Jan 06 05:20:03 tilt it right to move right Jan 06 05:20:05 PuffTheMagic: let me know when homepage, license and controls are added to the description and I'll tweet tetricrisis Jan 06 05:20:09 tap the gesture area to jump Jan 06 05:20:13 egaudet: is supertux ready to announce? Jan 06 05:20:25 tap the screen to shoot fireballs (if yo have the powerup) Jan 06 05:20:32 rwhitby, I'd wait for wiki. JMyaDaGod is doing it Jan 06 05:20:38 yeah well his website says OpenSource and there already was a Palm OS version of this game so i would figure its GPL or something Jan 06 05:20:39 egaudet: nod Jan 06 05:20:40 tilt the phone towards you to duck Jan 06 05:20:43 how hard is that? Jan 06 05:20:46 hopefully he will get back to use about that asap Jan 06 05:20:47 my phone is alot faster Jan 06 05:20:50 rwhitby, PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgr debug Jan 06 05:21:00 i can fix the homepage in a min Jan 06 05:21:03 PuffTheMagic: yeah, he says open source and the sdl site says GPL so I'd assume GPL now Jan 06 05:21:05 zsoc|sleep, control jump and speed Jan 06 05:21:40 PuffTheMagic: I hadn't seen the "Open Source" on his website before I sent the email. the email response is not required now Jan 06 05:21:56 how do i get into a level Jan 06 05:22:03 hmm why is my supertux icon not showing in app launcher :( Jan 06 05:22:06 hmmm what button do you hit to drop a piece in tetricrisis Jan 06 05:22:15 Kyusaku: hold S Jan 06 05:22:24 it is a touchscreen entity- have you tried touching the menu options you want Jan 06 05:22:47 YAYA Jan 06 05:22:50 I FIGURED IT OUt Jan 06 05:22:52 entity-: press gesture area Jan 06 05:23:02 rwhitby, destinal-wirc here is debug output from LunaSysMgr: http://pastebin.com/m63e4b682 Jan 06 05:23:03 that or I spelled it out, lol Jan 06 05:23:05 zsoc: thanks Jan 06 05:23:29 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/TetriCrisis Jan 06 05:23:36 fullscreen color screenshot ftw Jan 06 05:23:36 :D Jan 06 05:23:46 PuffTheMagic: we usually do Application:TetriCrisis ... Jan 06 05:24:06 i just took the doom template and modified it Jan 06 05:24:07 jacques, does that have the script? Jan 06 05:24:14 that cd's to doom dir so it can pick up wad file Jan 06 05:24:15 PuffTheMagic: why is there an up key? :D Jan 06 05:24:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:TetriCrisis Jan 06 05:24:50 zsoc|sleep: menus Jan 06 05:24:51 and Jan 06 05:24:53 look in options Jan 06 05:24:54 bah Jan 06 05:24:56 ah ok Jan 06 05:24:58 u can have up be insta drop Jan 06 05:25:03 or rotate Jan 06 05:25:05 that would be excellent :D Jan 06 05:25:08 PuffTheMagic: nice job Jan 06 05:25:08 if I cd into /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.linuxjacques.doom and run ./start-doom.sh it works Jan 06 05:25:15 PuffTheMagic: thx Jan 06 05:25:29 PuffTheMagic, where'd you get screenshot Jan 06 05:25:34 egaudet: i'm diggin tuxracer. you can be a WHE. but I'm still the OWHE Jan 06 05:25:36 egaudet: i took it Jan 06 05:25:46 egaudet: i have a special tool Jan 06 05:25:47 zsoc|sleep, please I wish it was tuxracer Jan 06 05:25:48 egaudet: PuffTheMagic has magic screenshot technology Jan 06 05:25:50 it's supertux Jan 06 05:25:55 egaudet, good catch! I didn't modify the start script to have my domain name Jan 06 05:26:09 egaudet: RIGHT! supertux! i still like it :D Jan 06 05:26:22 PuffTheMagic, can I have this tool plllllllease Jan 06 05:26:27 yeah Jan 06 05:26:39 is tuxracer like mario kart? Jan 06 05:26:44 zsoc|sleep, yea it's hard with accelerometer huh Jan 06 05:26:54 entity-, no Jan 06 05:26:59 egaudet: i like accelerometer. Jan 06 05:27:11 egaudet: if anything, maybe just a little more 'neutral zone' if you'd like to stand still. Jan 06 05:27:13 it's tux on his belly sliding downa slope, would be fun with accelerometer Jan 06 05:27:27 egaudet: :/ we can't have it all. i assume that's open gl? Jan 06 05:27:50 zsoc|sleep, well some one ported it to iphone openGLES Jan 06 05:28:05 maybe it'll work now that we got opengles sorted out? Jan 06 05:28:07 I edited the start script on the pre (zile FTW) and now I can click the icon and start doom :-D Jan 06 05:28:11 I tried for a bit to get it working, I got it building but it loads just a blue screen. So it seemingly is sort of close, but not there Jan 06 05:28:35 and since I don't really know openGL or openGLES I can't really offer much debugging until I do Jan 06 05:28:53 i see Jan 06 05:29:04 damn government computers... Jan 06 05:29:06 well i'm asleep, so i shouldnt be talking Jan 06 05:29:07 * zsoc|sleep poofs Jan 06 05:29:15 lol Jan 06 05:29:24 destinal-wirc, rwhitby did you see, it was pilot error. doom is launching from icon for me now Jan 06 05:29:56 now if only I could move Jan 06 05:30:37 egaudet: http://omploader.org/vMzY2cQ Jan 06 05:30:42 wget http://omploader.org/vMzY2cQ -O fbcat Jan 06 05:30:50 put it in /usr/bin Jan 06 05:30:53 then u can do Jan 06 05:31:02 fbcat /dev/fb1 > sc.ppm Jan 06 05:31:09 err Jan 06 05:31:09 PuffTheMagic: now owns egaudet's phone ... Jan 06 05:31:12 idk if its ppm Jan 06 05:31:29 open it in gimp and save as png Jan 06 05:31:44 i posted the google code repo for it earlier Jan 06 05:32:00 we should probably add that to the cross-compile Jan 06 05:32:05 and make an ipk for it Jan 06 05:32:05 :D Jan 06 05:32:17 and maybe a service for it Jan 06 05:32:21 ok does anyone's supertux have an icon in app launcher rather than moon? Jan 06 05:32:22 which can make delayed captures Jan 06 05:32:32 egaudet: nope Jan 06 05:32:37 I don't understand Jan 06 05:32:44 what did I do wrong Jan 06 05:32:54 egaudet: appinfo? Jan 06 05:32:58 * rwhitby looks Jan 06 05:33:02 icon: icon.png Jan 06 05:33:40 Mine does Jan 06 05:33:42 egaudet: mine doesn't have the moon Jan 06 05:33:46 egaudet, my icon worked fine Jan 06 05:33:50 hmm Jan 06 05:33:57 do the icons not update then? Jan 06 05:34:00 egaudet, i have had a few crashes Jan 06 05:34:05 has a blue diamond with Tux in it, facing to the right Jan 06 05:34:09 jack87, doing anything specific? Jan 06 05:34:10 rwhitby: does that last commit in build.git look right... i added some control info and idk if i just broke it Jan 06 05:34:16 would like to fix before next autobuild Jan 06 05:34:26 cryptk|work_, jack87, and that icon shows as the launcher icon? Jan 06 05:34:31 egaudet, first time i hit fullscreen off so that was suspected. now it crashed on launch Jan 06 05:34:34 yes Jan 06 05:34:53 jack87, it might keep crashing, I think it changed the config file for fullscreen off Jan 06 05:35:00 and without it it can't run Jan 06 05:35:05 PuffTheMagic: you'll need \ on the end of the DESCRIPTION lines to continue the line Jan 06 05:35:06 mandatory smoke break time... brb Jan 06 05:35:07 so you have to manually edit config file Jan 06 05:35:15 change the fullscreen: #f to fullscreen: #t Jan 06 05:35:16 egaudet, i have right icon for launcher. i bet people with moon will get corrected after reboot Jan 06 05:35:20 or uninstall reinstall Jan 06 05:35:32 as much as i'd love to hack on this right now... i have no energy left, ugh. Jan 06 05:35:36 yea or reinstall Jan 06 05:35:41 egaudet, after first crash it worked..not biggie just pointing out my findings is all Jan 06 05:35:42 (i hope) Jan 06 05:35:45 until tomorrow :/ cya Jan 06 05:35:50 oh ok Jan 06 05:35:54 so it worked again that's good Jan 06 05:36:31 working now Jan 06 05:36:39 egaudet, every now and then load laggs Jan 06 05:37:59 I'm really glad the gesture area is being utilized in games. One advantage the pre has over the iPhone. Jan 06 05:38:06 (Disregarding the keyboard) Jan 06 05:38:13 Appstache: agreed Jan 06 05:38:39 oh yeah Jan 06 05:38:44 * rwhitby bbiab Jan 06 05:38:52 The seperate areas would make a good A,B for a gameboy emulator.. eh eh? Jan 06 05:39:00 egaudet, are you sure keyboard controls work Jan 06 05:39:18 I dont think you can move the tux left/right with them though jack87 Jan 06 05:39:38 egaudet, copy that :) Jan 06 05:40:00 anyone know how to get a togglebutton into the palm-group-title class? Jan 06 05:40:16 b for fuck doesnt work either Jan 06 05:40:42 PuffTheMagic, fbcat didn't work Jan 06 05:40:49 i have a blank image when open with gimp Jan 06 05:40:57 ummm Jan 06 05:41:02 nm Jan 06 05:41:04 did u do fb1 or fb0 Jan 06 05:41:05 ? Jan 06 05:41:07 I'm just an idiot when tired Jan 06 05:41:10 i didn't do any fb lol Jan 06 05:41:18 fb0 is luna Jan 06 05:41:24 and fb* are the games Jan 06 05:41:28 PreGame, dtzWill would be the toggle guy... Jan 06 05:41:54 PreGame, look into the quake code? Jan 06 05:42:41 is there one in quake Jan 06 05:42:49 egaudet, anyway to boost the fos Jan 06 05:42:52 fps Jan 06 05:42:54 PreGame, yes Jan 06 05:43:10 @ toggles action keyboard and regular keyboard for typing Jan 06 05:43:39 by toggle button i mean like an ON/OFF switch Jan 06 05:44:26 PreGame, hum.. holding gesture in quake toggles strafe Jan 06 05:44:39 would that help? Jan 06 05:44:40 no i mean like the little switch Jan 06 05:44:52 the widget is called a togglebutton Jan 06 05:45:14 oh... no idea Jan 06 05:46:27 you mean like just a toggle switch for options? Jan 06 05:46:44 that _ annoys me... Jan 06 05:47:43 cryptk|work: yes Jan 06 05:48:05 i would like to put it into a group box title Jan 06 05:48:07 I have a question about tossing the quake card, and having it still show up in jstop, is that normal/expected and will it consume resources? Jan 06 05:49:08 I have noticed that as well... I was told that it does not, but I still have my concerns. Jan 06 05:49:25 on the upside, it doesn't appear to be using much, and it does not spawn a new one with every launch Jan 06 05:49:59 I'm assuming it has something to do with the Upstart Manager, or what not. Jan 06 05:50:08 Does Doom do it as well? Jan 06 05:50:13 it seems true for doom as well, Jan 06 05:50:25 Ah. Then yeah, probably that. Jan 06 05:50:39 appstache that's what I was thinking Jan 06 05:50:40 supertux does as well Jan 06 05:50:46 it has to be something with the upstart Jan 06 05:50:56 you can kill them in JStop though Jan 06 05:51:17 Right, should probably be brought to rwhitby's attention, though. Jan 06 05:51:27 Unless he already knows about it. Jan 06 05:51:28 infobot: seen rwhitby Jan 06 05:51:30 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 4h 25m 37s) #nslu2-linux (2d 4h 25m 37s). Has said a total of 639 messages. Is idling for 13m 16s, last said: 'Appstache: agreed'. Jan 06 05:52:19 cryptk|work: :thanks Jan 06 05:53:24 upstart or sdl?? Jan 06 05:53:24 by the way, where is a good place to read how to use the infobot and other features for this channel? Jan 06 05:53:40 rwhitby, I added screenshots to supertux, force a rebuild when you can please Jan 06 05:54:44 running in jstop might do with sdl? Jan 06 05:55:06 the fact that they are binary apps? Jan 06 05:55:20 i have no idea what i am talking about but those are the thingsthey all have in common Jan 06 05:56:13 I think you can whisper help to the infobot Jan 06 05:56:17 it's neither upstart nor SDL, it's the little webOS app that calls the upstart service Jan 06 05:56:55 ahh, so it is the mini app that you choose in the launcher Jan 06 05:57:24 PuffTheMagic: you need to tag v5.9-1 Jan 06 05:57:29 ehhh Jan 06 05:58:01 rwhitby, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SuperTux Jan 06 05:58:37 egaudet: application template? Jan 06 05:59:11 but good enough for release? Jan 06 05:59:18 ? I didn't do the wiki, I don't know how to add pages Jan 06 05:59:21 (rebuilding now) Jan 06 05:59:50 egaudet: it's 10 lines or so that you put at the top of the page content - see one of the other apps for an example Jan 06 06:00:05 Sorry Jan 06 06:00:13 if the mini app can be a settings app at one point it would be great :) then it can be closed like other apps? Jan 06 06:00:32 * rwhitby wonders if supertux has made it to precentral yet .... Jan 06 06:00:43 K I'll templatify t Jan 06 06:00:46 JMyaDaGod: content first, form later :-) Jan 06 06:01:00 aight gotta run my girl is about to flip on me Jan 06 06:01:16 where's that picture about that ... ;-0 Jan 06 06:02:45 * oil demands to know whats between lines 26 and 27 Jan 06 06:03:19 egaudet: keyboard controls except for space dont work on supertux for me Jan 06 06:04:30 rwhitby: so I was able to follow the tutorial and cross compile doom as an example and package it ....How do you setup key bindings? is it generic or specific for each game? Jan 06 06:04:42 navinag: hack the code Jan 06 06:05:04 rwhitby: hack which code Jan 06 06:05:55 Remind me tomorrow to make a supertux icon... that is all gnite. Jan 06 06:06:08 Supertux has an icon for me Jan 06 06:06:17 there is an icon Jan 06 06:06:29 rwhitby, I just got an email from a SCALE organizer. He needs some info. Jan 06 06:06:47 the generic icon is all I have Jan 06 06:06:47 ... Oh was thinking that was temporary... nvm. Jan 06 06:07:02 that's it: http://filebin.ca/cuvohe Jan 06 06:07:07 mine is a diamond with TUX inside it Jan 06 06:07:08 egaudet, JMyaDaGod i added known issues to wiki about keyboard controls Jan 06 06:07:43 For goodness sake.. How the heck long does it take to "Validate" this 1.3.5.1? Jan 06 06:07:46 And streached out. Jan 06 06:07:55 dBsooner: a long time Jan 06 06:07:59 windzilla, reboot pre let us know if that fixes it please Jan 06 06:08:13 brb Jan 06 06:08:18 a frickin 1mb file takes forever? when my 100+ meg ones took 5 mins? Jan 06 06:08:21 thats dumb Jan 06 06:08:49 egaudet, should i add icon issue to known issues how many reports have you had Jan 06 06:09:36 Templarian1: everyone: supertux icon: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/a/a4/Supertux_icon.png Jan 06 06:10:20 gkatsev: I know I saw it I'm downloading it atm. Jan 06 06:10:52 lol, ok Jan 06 06:11:06 rwhitby: hack which code Jan 06 06:11:13 i added two more "controls" Jan 06 06:12:56 jack87, just me and rwhitby but we installed with first version that didn't have icon Jan 06 06:13:36 Templarian1, if you want to make a nice one I'll change it. I just took what was supplied in the source code and scaled it from 32x32 to 64x64 to have something Jan 06 06:13:47 yeah, I'm reinstalling now to test Jan 06 06:14:12 egaudet, then i think it just hasnt refreshed luna Jan 06 06:14:26 rwhitby, just reinstalling will not fix it always might need reboot Jan 06 06:14:29 windzilla, whats the word Jan 06 06:14:49 egaudet, rwhitby took me a restart or two before my quake icon changed Jan 06 06:15:06 works just dandy icon and all Jan 06 06:15:14 windzilla, thats what i thought Jan 06 06:15:20 ok im not adding to known issues Jan 06 06:16:12 egaudet: yea I'll remake it during my lunch tomorrow. This game is awesome and the controls are perfect. Quake needs these controls. Jan 06 06:16:46 jack87: my icon changed once I updated. :) Jan 06 06:17:07 Templarian1, ive already talked to will about that.. (yesterday or day before) he wanted to finish with playable version first before digging into that Jan 06 06:17:17 restart luna worked for me with icon Jan 06 06:17:21 no reinstall needed Jan 06 06:17:21 Templarian1, now that egaudet started the ball rolling it should be cake Jan 06 06:17:45 egaudet, ya refresh luna doesnt always work Jan 06 06:17:59 Whoever is porting worms don't sleep. Jan 06 06:18:00 egaudet, restart luna genreally doest the trick Jan 06 06:18:19 egaudet: my son likes supertux Jan 06 06:18:32 and I have icon now Jan 06 06:18:35 supertux is great Jan 06 06:18:36 time for a tweet it seems Jan 06 06:18:47 Templarian1, i believe its going to be toggle secondary control when applied Jan 06 06:18:48 egaudet: ready for announce? Jan 06 06:18:49 egaudet: i added two Jan 06 06:19:01 egaudet: i added two "new" controls to the wiki. Jan 06 06:19:08 nice nice, supertux is a smashing success! :P Can i be WHE now? Jan 06 06:19:13 yea rwhitby Jan 06 06:19:15 I tweeted Jan 06 06:19:23 ready for real announce though Jan 06 06:19:29 as I have about 20 followers :P Jan 06 06:19:36 can someone take a minute and school me on the basics of key bindings? Jan 06 06:19:38 zsoc|sleep, whet to bed... so its all you egaudet Jan 06 06:19:44 @silentLaughter ? Jan 06 06:19:45 RT silentLaughter, rwhitby Jan 06 06:20:01 egaudet, WHE do not sleep Jan 06 06:20:26 egaudet: now you have 21, but change your icon to something less generic. :) Jan 06 06:21:17 * Templarian1 zzz for real Jan 06 06:21:22 yea Jan 06 06:21:32 gkatsev, adding back your additions, i lost them on wiki update Jan 06 06:21:43 ok Jan 06 06:21:46 cool Jan 06 06:22:19 egaudet: you adding them or you want me to? Jan 06 06:22:25 I'm guessing "WHE" is web hacker extrodinaire Jan 06 06:22:35 windzilla: webos Jan 06 06:22:41 windzilla, bingo Jan 06 06:22:58 egaudet: RT'd Jan 06 06:23:51 gkatsev, I re-added them Jan 06 06:23:55 rwhitby, thanks Jan 06 06:24:08 ok, cool Jan 06 06:24:09 right Jan 06 06:24:27 so how many porters do we have now? Jan 06 06:25:08 rwhitby: TetriCrisis is updated Jan 06 06:25:21 PuffTheMagic: ready for announce? Jan 06 06:25:27 sure i guess Jan 06 06:25:45 egaudet: did you create a PC thread? Jan 06 06:25:54 rwhitby, doing that as we speak Jan 06 06:26:58 PC thread? Jan 06 06:27:02 oh wow 2 new games on preware. awesome job guys Jan 06 06:28:38 gkatsev: pretty sure they mean precentral Jan 06 06:28:58 ah, makes sense, lol Jan 06 06:29:21 PuffTheMagic: you don't have a twitter account, right? Jan 06 06:29:24 so, does it mean that the 1 game every 2 days still stands? Jan 06 06:29:27 rwhitby: i do Jan 06 06:29:30 i've never used it Jan 06 06:29:52 PuffTheMagic, the controls for tetris would probably be better off if down and left/right were on the same line Jan 06 06:29:58 PuffTheMagic: do you want it referenced? Jan 06 06:30:13 rwhitby: no thats ok Jan 06 06:30:23 jack87: yeah prob Jan 06 06:30:41 PuffTheMagic, when you get a shot on next update throw that in :) maybe asd? Jan 06 06:30:44 but i wanted the top row so it would be easier to orientate Jan 06 06:31:37 PuffTheMagic, i am just thinking about tilting finger left and right while going down at same time Jan 06 06:32:20 jack87: you mean, making it wasd instead of qwes? Jan 06 06:32:31 PC is so sluggish right now Jan 06 06:32:42 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2131654#post2131654 Jan 06 06:32:45 gkatsev, yes Jan 06 06:32:54 gkatsev, atleast for this game Jan 06 06:33:05 OK.. it's been validating for like 30 minutes.. Jan 06 06:33:09 is this normal? Jan 06 06:33:09 yeah, kind of makes sense Jan 06 06:33:38 I closed the card last time and wasn't able to get it to start again.. so i doctored. Jan 06 06:34:09 PuffTheMagic, when you feel like it it be kind of fun to play with keyboard closed... such as gesture right/left tap for down (screen tap for orientation as is) Jan 06 06:34:31 dBsooner flip the update card off the screen and reopen the update Jan 06 06:34:45 dBsooner: took me a good long half hour or more Jan 06 06:34:48 linksocc-pre: did that last time and it just openned to a blank screen Jan 06 06:34:48 jack87: im just working to get games preware and "working" Jan 06 06:34:53 sure things could be better Jan 06 06:34:56 windzilla: to go from 1.3.5 to 1.3.5.1? Jan 06 06:34:58 the repo is there for people to commit Jan 06 06:35:01 PuffTheMagic, oh i know Jan 06 06:35:10 it'll work Jan 06 06:35:11 i dont plan on being the only maintainer Jan 06 06:35:18 PuffTheMagic, hence when i said you get time.. just shooting sugestions.. dont get me wrong its great i love it Jan 06 06:35:42 egaudet: better put the 10 second warning in that first post ... Jan 06 06:35:43 dbsooner: ohhhhhh no my fault, I'm like a child wandering into a room Jan 06 06:35:59 this is pissin me off. :D Jan 06 06:36:05 * jack87 needs to get off his ass and learn to code help maintain PuffTheMagic apps :) Jan 06 06:36:15 dBsooner: novaterm in and see what it's doing Jan 06 06:37:13 rwhitby: can't novaterm Jan 06 06:37:20 I cant get Preware onto my new Pre. It worked fine on my first one, but not anymore. Ugh. Jan 06 06:37:25 rwhitby: device not found when I connect the USB cable. Jan 06 06:37:37 PuffTheMagic: jack87: i could try and help with controls tomorrow. Jan 06 06:38:03 rwhitby: probably because I just doctored, so dev mode isn't enabled. Jan 06 06:38:04 Jessie: http://install.preware.org/ Jan 06 06:38:47 gkatsev, i seem to have a little nitch for thinking up controls lately let me know if i can help Jan 06 06:39:24 dBsooner: it did the same thing to me and as soon as I closed the card it gave me a msg to update Jan 06 06:39:29 rwhitby, good point, done Jan 06 06:39:44 linksocc-pre: closed the card a couple mins ago.. nothing. Jan 06 06:39:45 rwhitby, maybe we can turn that thread to a wiki? Jan 06 06:40:05 go back and open the update app again Jan 06 06:40:14 well, tomorrow, im gonna try and figure out how to get wifi working on my linux, then ill take a look at all this. Jan 06 06:40:28 linksocc-pre: yup.. same as last time.. just a blank screen. Jan 06 06:40:37 well.. with the Update Icon in the top left.. Jan 06 06:40:47 Frickin palm Jan 06 06:40:55 that's weird Jan 06 06:41:01 I just compilea game and I am trying to recompile it and I get the following error "sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting." any ideas on how to fix this? Jan 06 06:41:14 bialw Jan 06 06:41:43 gkatsev, keep me posted Jan 06 06:42:32 navinag: you didn't sb2-init Jan 06 06:43:18 rwhitby: where is that in the wiki? Jan 06 06:43:29 rwhitby: question about supertux Jan 06 06:44:17 navinag: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ScratchBox2_cross_compiling_with_SDL Jan 06 06:44:24 oh, I think I see... size was listed as 8.55MB but it really takes (unpacked) 39.5MB !!! (but I guess preware lists "download size" not "space required" Jan 06 06:44:26 ) Jan 06 06:44:30 but yow!! Jan 06 06:44:39 I have 12MB left on /media/internal now. :-( Jan 06 06:45:00 lemketron: better get that Palm Pre Plus out to market then ... Jan 06 06:45:31 ;-) Jan 06 06:45:34 what was that? I think there was static on the line. I couldn't read that. Jan 06 06:45:43 rwitbhy: it did that once...and it worked before....Do I have to do that on every rebbot...a bit confusing. Jan 06 06:46:13 navinag: nope, should be only once per account I think. Jan 06 06:46:31 but I haven't rebooted my laptop in ages, so no idea. Jan 06 06:46:32 rwhitby: something got hose...I reran and all seems well now Jan 06 06:47:00 with foursquare, the app keeps getting bigger since each build includes all of the previous builds (that were checked into the source dir). I'm assuming that's not the problem here... :-/ Jan 06 06:47:09 lemketron: still working on sdlmame, it's being obstreperous Jan 06 06:47:15 rwhitby: I just set up ubuntu and rebboted a few times to get video and stuff workign .....so we will se Jan 06 06:47:21 someone port this Jan 06 06:47:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_Retrieve_Capture Jan 06 06:47:35 lemketron: dunno - egaudet did the port and packaging on this one Jan 06 06:47:51 rwhitby: ooh, working on sdlmame? nice Jan 06 06:47:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_%28computer_game%29 Jan 06 06:48:17 Hmm. I need to RF some M somewhere. can't seem to get the tux guy to move. Jan 06 06:48:37 lemketron, tilt Jan 06 06:48:45 entity-: where's the source code? Jan 06 06:48:58 ah, that explains why he jumped a few times when I was banging on the screen while it was sitting on my touchstone. Jan 06 06:49:18 next game Jan 06 06:49:21 Classic Invaders Jan 06 06:49:22 http://omploader.org/vMzY3Zg Jan 06 06:49:31 with no keyboard keys Jan 06 06:49:32 :D Jan 06 06:49:35 i hope Jan 06 06:49:35 gesture = jump Jan 06 06:49:41 PuffTheMagic: yes! Jan 06 06:49:43 there a javascript invaders too... Jan 06 06:49:46 if someone tells me how to use accelerometer Jan 06 06:49:48 entity-, ive played that before.. pretty fun.. but its not sdl Jan 06 06:50:10 PuffTheMagic, I will Jan 06 06:50:15 SDL_Joystick Jan 06 06:50:17 entity-, not opensoruce either i dont believe Jan 06 06:51:15 invaders could be the easiest game for no keyboard Jan 06 06:51:22 tilt left right to move left right Jan 06 06:51:25 tap gesture to shoot Jan 06 06:51:26 :D Jan 06 06:51:54 does it have Joystick support in it already? Jan 06 06:52:04 how about a phong Jan 06 06:52:08 that be pretty easy :) Jan 06 06:52:15 idk all i did was build it Jan 06 06:52:19 hard to play im sure Jan 06 06:52:25 and run it Jan 06 06:52:43 do some grepping for Joystick Jan 06 06:53:04 i think im gonna grep for some sleep Jan 06 06:53:07 I know supertux came with joystick support, but they were disabling it when they checked the number of buttons (of which we have 0) Jan 06 06:53:19 wow didn't realize it was 2am already gah Jan 06 06:53:22 egaudet: anyway, it's very misleading that preware says the app is 8mb and then it really takes up 5x that... Jan 06 06:53:23 Repair Utility doesnt work. Jan 06 06:53:23 we have more than 0 buttons Jan 06 06:53:36 preware should specify the space required on the device. Jan 06 06:53:37 what does screen tap regester as Jan 06 06:53:42 i think that is mouse Jan 06 06:53:44 egaudet, if you want to be whe you cant leave for bed! Jan 06 06:53:48 egaudet: yeah, we should probably sleep, lol Jan 06 06:53:49 egaudet, :) Jan 06 06:53:55 cause u can tap in TetriCrisis Jan 06 06:54:12 gnight Jan 06 06:54:22 jack87: yeah, but if he doesnt sleep, he will only be WHE for several more hours and then never again Jan 06 06:54:24 lemketron, it might be the game saving Jan 06 06:54:37 gkatsev, its true lol Jan 06 06:54:45 hadn't played it yet. Jan 06 06:55:04 8MB is a compressed package size, not the uncompressed size on the device. Jan 06 06:55:06 what is WHE Jan 06 06:55:14 nope yea the data is 35M Jan 06 06:55:37 lemketron: I'll look into it. If we've got access to the data in the feeds, we can get Preware to display it. Jan 06 06:55:37 that's the nature of ipk though it's compressed Jan 06 06:55:38 entity-: webos hacker extraordinaire Jan 06 06:55:40 should leave it zipped, then unzip to ram or /tmp :-) Jan 06 06:55:52 heck, it might load faster for you if you load it compressed. :-) Jan 06 06:56:12 lemketron: patches welcome ;-) Jan 06 06:57:00 IIRC, we have to jump through some hoops to get the "size" correct in the app catalog app... it's convenient to show the package size, but that's not realistic. Jan 06 06:57:19 rwhitby: heh. Jan 06 06:58:18 lemketron: well, since all these apps no longer need postinst scripts, one day they'll just be in the app catalog anyway ... Jan 06 06:58:22 it should show both DL and installed Jan 06 06:58:49 if they no longer need postinst scripts, why does preware still warn me about it? Jan 06 06:59:20 lemketron: they no longer *need* them, but we still choose to use them, cause upstart launches faster than type:game Jan 06 07:02:07 rwhitby: how much faster are we talking about? is it a matter of a second, 5 seconds? Jan 06 07:02:27 cryptk|work: half a second, but it could easily have been due to caching or something. Jan 06 07:02:44 jack87: i think i might just start running linux in a VM inside windows Jan 06 07:02:53 if it is only a half a second, why not go ahead and drop the need for the service? Jan 06 07:03:13 cryptk|work: cause we want to put splash screens and stuff in webos before the game starts Jan 06 07:03:17 gkatsev, all i have is netbooks right now :( Jan 06 07:03:22 (e.g. for controls) Jan 06 07:03:30 gkatsev, one is running lunux and the other windows lol Jan 06 07:03:33 jack87: ouch. i have a desktop and netbook Jan 06 07:04:05 egaudet: do you know if anyone tested the multiple mice stuff? Jan 06 07:04:06 my old laptop i just now loaded with boxee and hooked up to my HDTV Jan 06 07:04:17 gkatsev, before i needed portable and powerful so i got a nice laptop 17in monster.... been great stopped working a month ago nvidia ship messed up Jan 06 07:04:27 then i got netbooks now i want a desktop no need for laptop Jan 06 07:04:35 multiple mice? Jan 06 07:05:00 gkatsev, out of warranty but amex gave me back all my money yay... *waiting for ces before i buy anything Jan 06 07:05:04 didn't zsoc say there was something in the API for reporting multiple touches on the screen? Jan 06 07:05:15 rwhitby, will said it was a pain Jan 06 07:05:17 jack87: netbook is great for me cuz im in college. take to classes browse web take notes (mine is a tcouhscreen tablet as well) and do all complicated stuff on desktop Jan 06 07:05:24 rwhitby, his been sticking with one mouse for a little while now Jan 06 07:06:13 rwhitby, I must have missed that Jan 06 07:06:29 gkatsev, thats nice... i want to hack mine to be touch screen (2 gig ram 500 gig hdd and added bt.. lol touch screen is next) boots windows xp/7/osx/linux Jan 06 07:06:40 but that would be nice if we could Jan 06 07:06:59 dual mouse "analog" controls for like quake/doom :P Jan 06 07:07:11 rwhitby, there is 5 mice from what i understand Jan 06 07:10:23 so, how many hours from now is this Thu 11am announcement at CES from Palm? Jan 06 07:12:23 just under 36, I guess. Jan 06 07:13:28 which timezone is it in ? Jan 06 07:13:48 Yeah i'm wondering what timezone too Jan 06 07:13:50 CES is in Nevada Jan 06 07:13:53 probably PST Jan 06 07:15:22 ok, we have a request from a special friend of the channel at Palm for frozen bubble ... Jan 06 07:15:42 frozen bubble? Jan 06 07:15:52 frozen bubble is awesome Jan 06 07:16:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_Bubble Jan 06 07:16:35 oh. I know it as Bust-A-Move Jan 06 07:16:41 Frozen bubble would a nice accelerometer demo. ;) Jan 06 07:16:48 someone was looking at it, perhaps, it was bpadalino, i think Jan 06 07:17:01 sarumont: supertux is a better one. Jan 06 07:17:03 that's nice but i personally would prefer an ultima port Jan 06 07:17:13 contra? Jan 06 07:17:13 gkatsev: Yeah...trying to get that working. Jan 06 07:17:29 Is the SDL stuff working on 1.3.5.1? Jan 06 07:17:35 yes Jan 06 07:17:40 1.3.5+ Jan 06 07:17:53 Sweet, then my installation is boned. :) Jan 06 07:18:31 contra should get ported, but if sdlmame is ported, then that works as well, lol Jan 06 07:19:24 frozen bubble requires perl Jan 06 07:19:51 perl is available via nslug2 no? Jan 06 07:19:52 yeah, so said bpadalino Jan 06 07:21:01 Is there anyway at all to get Preware onto my phone? I've been trying different things all day and nothing seems to work. Jan 06 07:21:21 Jessie: which step of the instructions that I pointed you to is failing? Jan 06 07:21:23 Jessie: what have you tried? Jan 06 07:21:48 perl is available, but that's gonna cause an end-user installation problem ... Jan 06 07:22:02 probably Jan 06 07:22:48 All of it, it seems. Ive tried that utility thing...it didnt run. Ive tried thr troubleshoot guide and all the reinstallation...etc. Jan 06 07:22:56 anyway, going to actually sleep now Jan 06 07:22:59 night all Jan 06 07:23:57 So, how normal is it, after a webos doctor, for Preware to still show all your patches as installed? Jan 06 07:24:21 hey everyone :D Jan 06 07:24:26 what's the haps? Jan 06 07:24:53 Jessie: you need to be able to run WebOS Quick Install, or get a command line on the Pre. Jan 06 07:26:45 The QI screen comes up, but doesnt function when I click anything. How do I get a command line? Jan 06 07:27:17 Jessie: QI or Palm SDK Jan 06 07:27:57 howdy Jan 06 07:30:35 could you package the perl runtime with a frozen bubble port? Jan 06 07:32:52 jacques: so we still need a tag-line for the banner Jan 06 07:33:37 (for others watching, we're talking about something like on the last page of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/presentation.pdf), for a banner the size of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/scale5x/IMG_3672 Jan 06 07:34:02 rwhitby: ah, hmm Jan 06 07:34:20 so, what message do we want to focus on ... Jan 06 07:35:07 Linux, Open, Hand-held, Cooperative Vendor, Homebrew, Standards, ...... Jan 06 07:35:28 communication ... Jan 06 07:35:30 (just brainstorming here) Jan 06 07:35:38 Linux is nerdy and homebrew is weird to the outsider Jan 06 07:35:40 Sweet - I suck at SuperTux. But it's working. Awesome work, guys. :) Jan 06 07:35:43 see what I did there? ;-D Jan 06 07:35:54 jacques: yeah, nice Jan 06 07:36:12 "Open Source Communication" Jan 06 07:36:26 I like it Jan 06 07:36:37 I really like it Jan 06 07:36:59 the freesmartphone.org guys would have kittens though Jan 06 07:37:03 we could go with that and I'd be perfectly happy Jan 06 07:37:13 oh Jan 06 07:37:20 I like kittens too Jan 06 07:38:09 I kept thinking of puns with palm in them but that's just trite Jan 06 07:38:11 where is this banner being used? Jan 06 07:38:29 FuMan: at a conference for linux nerds Jan 06 07:38:33 FuMan: a booth at SCALE for a start Jan 06 07:38:47 well, there goes my concerns with linux and homebrew being nerdy Jan 06 07:38:50 but we like to make them usable at a wide range of events Jan 06 07:39:02 FuMan: exactly ;-) Jan 06 07:39:35 * rwhitby imagines Rick putting the banner on the floor next to Palm's booth at CES ... Jan 06 07:39:59 (just kidding, Palm folks) Jan 06 07:40:33 FuMan: e.g. http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/meetings Jan 06 07:41:45 see, not nerdy at all Jan 06 07:42:29 at this conference (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/lwe_2005) we just found an empty booth and squatted Jan 06 07:42:43 would nerds take over an unused booth at linux world expo? I think not Jan 06 07:43:17 the booth residents didn't show up, so we borrowed it for a couple of days Jan 06 07:43:44 only on the afternoon of the last day did the conference organisers notice Jan 06 07:56:34 zsoc: what party would that be? Jan 06 07:57:18 still brainstorming... Jan 06 07:57:36 jacques, about? Jan 06 07:57:39 freedom for a connected world Jan 06 07:57:54 jack87_: a tag-line for the banner Jan 06 07:58:50 communication wants to be free (too subversive?) Jan 06 08:00:30 sb2 isn't finding libs that are required by others? Jan 06 08:01:14 'freedom for a connected world' awesome Jan 06 08:02:43 dtzWill, when did you get in Jan 06 08:04:47 tmzt: :-) Jan 06 08:05:34 egaudet: hmm? we had that problem earlier today but fixed it with the -rpath Jan 06 08:06:03 jack87_: a while ago, but was busy until now :). man it's good to be home Jan 06 08:06:26 egaudet: -Wl,-rpath-link=/usr/local/lib Jan 06 08:06:38 dtzWill, welcome :) Jan 06 08:11:57 dtzWill: wb Jan 06 08:12:27 any volunteer with a Pre to test a NES emulator Jan 06 08:12:44 photon70: howdy, was trying to catch you yesterday Jan 06 08:13:12 photon70, i can help test Jan 06 08:13:35 photon70: were can we get it from? Jan 06 08:14:06 hrm, can test as well Jan 06 08:14:52 photon70, do you have a test rom to? Jan 06 08:15:55 rwhitby: ty ty :) Jan 06 08:17:47 photon70: which build environment are you using? Jan 06 08:17:52 photon70, we lost you Jan 06 08:17:58 dtzWill: updated to scratchbox now? Jan 06 08:18:03 photon70, waiting for test info? Jan 06 08:18:59 Please PM your emails to send you the ipk Jan 06 08:19:57 rwhitby: haven't, downloading stuff now :) Jan 06 08:20:04 rwhitby: i expect some fun, since i'm on slackware+64bit haha Jan 06 08:21:31 heh Jan 06 08:23:16 .nick photon70 Jan 06 08:23:37 yeah I actually got sb2 to build on F12 today Jan 06 08:24:40 photon70: could i help testing your nes emulator? Jan 06 08:24:56 random_: pm your email Jan 06 08:26:11 how do i send a real pm here? Jan 06 08:27:51 you can just /msg Jan 06 08:27:58 I got me some macdahnalds! Jan 06 08:28:39 Thanks :) Jan 06 08:34:02 photon70: is this a commercial product? Jan 06 08:36:40 rwhitby: forgive my ignorance, but if we happened to find a game that was coded for OpenGL ES and we cross compiled it to arm, would it then use the GPU or would it require more work than that? Jan 06 08:36:58 cryptk|omnomnom: it should do Jan 06 08:37:49 hrm... I am guessing people have already looked for OpenGL ES games that run on linux and can be cross compiled though... Jan 06 08:37:51 cryptk|omnomnom: other than some control work/binding/etc Jan 06 08:38:41 makes me wanan start looking around for some OpenGL ES linux games... Jan 06 08:38:52 s/wanan/wanna Jan 06 08:39:05 cryptk|omnomnom: please do. if you find some compile it yourself or i'm sure someone will be glad to help Jan 06 08:39:35 I am looking now Jan 06 08:40:06 FYI for others, the nes emulator is a commercial product of www.kalemsoft.com, not an open source port. Jan 06 08:40:09 but I would imagine the list of open-source, linux, OpenGL ES games is pretty slim... Jan 06 08:41:34 cryptk|omnomnom, the one that I want the most (although I've thus far failed to build/port) is tuxracer Jan 06 08:41:47 there's an open source openGLES port to iphone (Tux Rider World Challenge) Jan 06 08:42:08 I just can't get more than a blue screen though when I build and run it Jan 06 08:42:27 what is the underlying OS on the iPhone? Jan 06 08:43:11 I'm assuming it's BSD based like macos? Jan 06 08:43:20 the port is all in C Jan 06 08:43:36 well almost all in C Jan 06 08:44:07 there's some iphone specific looking object C. But i've managed to build it, but when I run it i get a blue screen like it wants to load but that's it Jan 06 08:44:28 right now I need sleep though Jan 06 08:44:42 WHE's do not sleep... Jan 06 08:45:52 Jack1987: http://pdroms.de/files/supernes/Games/?page=1 Jan 06 08:45:58 lol :P this one makes an exception Jan 06 08:47:02 Jack1987: oops: http://pdroms.de/files/nes/Games/?page=1 Jan 06 08:49:06 I may need to pick up a book on OGL ES... wonder how hard it would be to convert OGL into the ES variant... Jan 06 08:49:38 rwhitby, thanks Jan 06 08:53:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisualBoyAdvance Jan 06 08:53:15 it is GNU/GPL and uses SDL Jan 06 08:53:34 VisualBoyAdvance (commonly abbreviated as VBA) is an emulator of the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance handheld game consoles sold by Nintendo. Jan 06 08:53:47 that would be a nice little port... Jan 06 08:54:04 I may have to set up sb2 and see if I can get it cross compiled... Jan 06 09:12:49 cryptk|work, that be some sweet stuff Jan 06 09:13:35 what is, sorry, was playing quake Jan 06 09:13:47 cryptk|work: that's what i like to hear Jan 06 09:14:32 cryptk|work, your port ideas Jan 06 09:14:35 hahaha Jan 06 09:14:37 ahh Jan 06 09:14:48 the VisualBoyAdvance Jan 06 09:14:55 looks like it could be very promising Jan 06 09:16:18 cryptk|work, id love to see it in action. i loved VBA on mycomputer Jan 06 09:18:02 how about a guitar hero clone http://sourceforge.net/projects/fretsonfire/ Jan 06 09:18:30 i don't know how well that would play with having to press 2 buttons at once Jan 06 09:18:44 brb Jan 06 09:23:15 rwhitby: sb2 stuff setup and works great. successfully built sdldoom, easy peasy. so someone asked about 64-bit the other day, sb2 made that entirely transparent, FYI :) Jan 06 09:24:21 dtzWill: nice Jan 06 09:31:50 dtzWill: excellent - any improvement to the workflow that you can see? Jan 06 09:32:48 dtzWill: what did you do to get the increased performance out of quake? was it a toolchain problem? Jan 06 09:33:00 and if so, do you think that sb2 would help any? Jan 06 09:33:13 cryptk|work: no sb2 would do nothing Jan 06 09:33:24 ahh Jan 06 09:33:28 cryptk|work: other than make my makefile hacking go away, and it facilitates others being able to build it Jan 06 09:33:38 cryptk|work: but underneath it's still using the exact same toolchain, etc. Jan 06 09:33:47 so what was the performance problem coming from then? Jan 06 09:33:53 just makefile tweaking? Jan 06 09:34:13 cryptk|work: well little makefile but the "makefile hacking" i mentioned before was me getting things to compile/link/etc Jan 06 09:34:24 I think I am gonna hafta set up sb2 and try and cross compile that VBA I was talking about Jan 06 09:35:01 cryptk|work: but yes things like compiling for the vfp made a small difference--the biggest was finding a bug in the quake source i was using (the sdlquake port) that allowed me to build with proper optimziations. Jan 06 09:35:17 cryptk|work: that and some things like fitting to the pre's res, but that was easy :) Jan 06 09:36:49 rwhitby: (sorry must've missed your message) well the projects i'm working on right now i already have the build env set up as proper as it needs to be--makefile hacking or no Jan 06 09:37:05 rwhitby: but of course, and i'm sure you know this, this is ridiculously super useful for getting that env setup Jan 06 09:37:21 right now in quake, doing "timedemo demo1" at the console is showing 18-20 FPS Jan 06 09:37:28 rwhitby: oh you're asking if i see a way to improve the workflow. hmm. once i use it to start a project i'll be sure to let you know Jan 06 09:37:35 not too bad considering the GPU isn't helping any Jan 06 09:37:42 cryptk|work: that's right. in my testing +timedemo demo2 was geting about 20-22fps Jan 06 09:37:53 cryptk|work: i picked demo2 b/c i was getting bored of demo1 :P Jan 06 09:39:04 yep, I just got 20.2 on demo2 Jan 06 09:40:51 during game lay i was getting 23-25 fps last night Jan 06 09:40:59 it only does it one scene at a time Jan 06 09:41:41 what was the command you were using to do it during gameplay? Jan 06 09:42:27 what makes me scratch my head is why does the pre do SDL if the SDL is not using the GPU? Jan 06 09:42:43 or is there something that is just keeping us frm having SDL use the GPU... Jan 06 09:42:51 something that we don't know yet Jan 06 09:43:29 MAME is SDL also... Jan 06 09:43:33 cryptk|work, i cant remember Jan 06 09:43:43 did we talk pm or in chat... if it was in chat should be logged Jan 06 09:44:43 I think it was in PM Jan 06 09:44:45 http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?page_id=163 Jan 06 09:44:48 there is SDLMAME Jan 06 09:44:57 cryptk|work, timerefresh Jan 06 09:45:03 lemme see if it is opensource Jan 06 09:45:31 timerefresh will give you fps of a scene Jan 06 09:45:44 play around a bit... and then do it Jan 06 09:45:57 yep, SDL mame only comes as source it looks like Jan 06 09:46:49 rwhitby: what's the significance of the new cross-compile environment? Jan 06 09:47:40 freakout: cross-compiling an app for the Pre is as easy as native compiling the app for a desktop system. Jan 06 09:47:58 cryptk|work: I've been working on sdlmame for some time Jan 06 09:48:04 hi Jan 06 09:48:08 rwhitby: Cool Jan 06 09:48:12 MetaView: hi henk! Jan 06 09:48:18 btw, does the apps then run in emulator? Jan 06 09:48:54 hi Tim :) Jan 06 09:48:55 MetaView: we need to set up a separate target for cross-compiling for the emulator, but sb2 should be able to handle that once we teach it. Jan 06 09:49:06 sounds cool Jan 06 09:49:20 awesome rwhitby, any ideas on how close it is to done? Jan 06 09:49:44 sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 make OSD=sdl TARGETOS=unix OPTIMIZE=0 NO_X11=1 NO_OPENGL=1 Jan 06 09:49:47 cryptk|work: I'm using that Jan 06 09:49:59 and it's failing in the final link Jan 06 09:50:05 hrm... Jan 06 09:50:15 I need to set up sb2 when I get home Jan 06 09:50:34 so you are really close to having SDLMAME, just one last hangup pretty much Jan 06 09:50:46 I had to stage all the requisite libs first, but they are all in preware/cross-compile.git now Jan 06 09:51:14 on a side note, I have been working on setting something up to use the pre as a system monitor for my computer Jan 06 09:51:35 Linking mame... Jan 06 09:51:36 obj/sdl/mame/libocore.a(sdlwork.o): In function `osd_work_queue_wait': Jan 06 09:51:37 sdlwork.c:(.text+0x410): undefined reference to `osd_yield_processor' Jan 06 09:51:38 I should look for the 1.3.5.1 webos doctor Jan 06 09:51:38 working on having a server program on my computer to feed data to a program on the pre to show system stats for my computer Jan 06 09:51:49 basically using the pre as a second display Jan 06 09:51:56 cryptk|work: ldcproc Jan 06 09:52:01 lcdproc I mean Jan 06 09:52:15 yeah Jan 06 09:52:36 yeah, that should be fairly straight-forward Jan 06 09:52:55 yeah, not too difficult Jan 06 09:53:45 but I am working on making something that looks pretty Jan 06 09:54:04 and I want to have some different information that lcdproc can't show Jan 06 09:54:15 I am basically trying to make it work with conky Jan 06 09:54:48 conky? Jan 06 09:54:58 lemme get you a screenshot Jan 06 09:55:07 ok, NOASM looks relevant to my sdlmame link problem Jan 06 09:55:22 heh Jan 06 09:55:26 http://www.bannister.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=56969#Post56969 Jan 06 09:55:42 what did we do before google? Jan 06 09:56:07 yahoo... and it sucked Jan 06 09:57:20 rwhitby: did you config out all the emulated hw you don't need? Jan 06 09:58:13 jacques: nope, that line above is all I've done Jan 06 09:58:28 cryptk|work, yup shitty yahoo Jan 06 09:59:25 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/img067.jpg Jan 06 09:59:38 oops, wrong pic... Jan 06 09:59:41 that is the inside of my comp Jan 06 09:59:51 lemme get the one of my desktop... it has conky on it Jan 06 10:00:09 rwhitby: I remember it taking forever to build because it emulated lots of different hardware, you could config in only the hardware needed for the gaes you were interested in Jan 06 10:00:34 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/Screenshot.jpg Jan 06 10:00:37 there it is Jan 06 10:00:53 plus, in limited resource environment, some hw won't emulate fast enough to be useful anyway Jan 06 10:00:54 jacques: see /msg Jan 06 10:01:45 rwhitby: check out the second image I posted, that is conky... I am basically trying to get that to run in a card in WebOS, but show te stats for my computer instead of the pre... although having it show the stats for the pre would be cool too... Jan 06 10:02:05 best part is, it is completely configureable as far as what it shows... Jan 06 10:02:36 cryptk|work: second link doesn't work for me Jan 06 10:02:47 you can even have it grab the output from commands at the command line, so you can write a pearl script, or shell script to get the info you need, then integrate that info into conky Jan 06 10:03:00 I am having to hand type it, lemme find my typo Jan 06 10:03:17 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/Screenshot.png Jan 06 10:03:22 had the wrong file extension Jan 06 10:03:41 cool Jan 06 10:03:44 can't get to photobucket at work so I am having to find the link on my pre and type it into here Jan 06 10:03:52 conky is all the info down the right hand side Jan 06 10:05:11 cryptk|work: conky display on my pre while i'm at my computer would be great :) Jan 06 10:05:11 that and guake are my 2 faforite programs Jan 06 10:05:25 I am working on it dtzWill, hopefully sometime soon Jan 06 10:05:47 then I want to write a service to where if it is set on the touchstone it will autorun the conky program Jan 06 10:05:59 cryptk|work: and the converting the .lay files sometimes segfaults the build, but continues if run again Jan 06 10:06:01 so when i sit at my desk and set the pre on the stone it will come up automagically Jan 06 10:06:16 weird... Jan 06 10:07:18 cryptk|work: understood, just giving you encouragement--something i would love, that's all :) Jan 06 10:07:25 the interesting thing is it's just running file2str.c, which is a simple file to string program. Must be a bug in qemu-arm I think. Jan 06 10:07:25 yep Jan 06 10:07:49 it is erroring out on what may be the simplest part, lol Jan 06 10:08:11 I'll just have to put the "make build" in a loop ;-) Jan 06 10:08:28 or pre-convert them outside of sb2 first Jan 06 10:09:12 btw conky is GPL ;) Jan 06 10:12:13 if anyone here uses conky and wants a copy of my .conkyrc file, just let me know, I will send it to ya Jan 06 10:12:35 I have another one that I am working on to integrate exaile Jan 06 10:12:45 album artwork and everything Jan 06 10:12:55 it has a couple bugs still though Jan 06 10:13:34 cryptk|work, im not sure what it does Jan 06 10:13:39 cryptk|work, what is all the info Jan 06 10:14:28 it will show you pretty much whatever you want Jan 06 10:14:58 mine has processor usage, ram usage, swap usage, HD space, etc etc etc Jan 06 10:15:32 internal and external IP's, current bandwidth utilization, HD bandwidth usage, incoming and outgoing connections... Jan 06 10:16:00 you can have it show really anything about your system... what is on my desktop is only a small percentage of what conky is capable of showing Jan 06 10:16:08 cryptk|work, it be intresting to see. how can i utilize it on my computer Jan 06 10:16:30 the only thing is that it is made for X Jan 06 10:16:45 x? Jan 06 10:16:52 some of the crunchbang users have some epic conky configs Jan 06 10:16:57 which is why I am going to be writing a server to run on my computer to get the info from conky, and then pipe that info to the pre Jan 06 10:17:02 instead of trying to port conky to the pre Jan 06 10:17:50 think of an X server as being the part of linux that lets us get a GUI instead of being command line only Jan 06 10:18:04 there are other ways of doing it, but X is probably the most common Jan 06 10:18:29 the pre does not use X though, so porting conky to the pre would take a full rewrite Jan 06 10:18:36 cryptk|work: I've always said that GUIs are just a means of running multiple shell windows on a big screen. Jan 06 10:18:42 ah yes Jan 06 10:19:35 conky is probably the most visually intensive part of my netbook, im using openbox for the window manager Jan 06 10:19:53 does the mytether wifi patch still break doom? Jan 06 10:20:17 pretty sure it does Jan 06 10:20:51 there haven't been any updates to either that I know of, so the problem should still be there Jan 06 10:20:52 nfoxTc, with patch applied you can not play any of the sdl games without patch it should be fine why Jan 06 10:21:34 you CAN play them with myteather installed, just not while it is set in tethering mode basically Jan 06 10:21:42 ahh ok Jan 06 10:21:54 even if i patch the free version of mytether Jan 06 10:22:01 so jsut having myteather won't break them... only when you go in and turn on the teathering patch Jan 06 10:22:06 yes Jan 06 10:22:21 oh ok Jan 06 10:23:13 nfoxTc, what do you mean patch the free version of mytether Jan 06 10:23:31 no whatever you are going to do to the free version will probably not effect sdl games Jan 06 10:23:37 guake is another program everyone should check out... gives you a drop down command line Jan 06 10:23:39 like in quake Jan 06 10:23:43 theres a patch to overwrite the wifi driver Jan 06 10:23:58 I press F12, I get a command line, I press F12 and it go's away Jan 06 10:23:59 cryptk|work, you can actually compile conky without x11 support Jan 06 10:23:59 because a version of web os broke adhoc wifi supposively Jan 06 10:24:06 really now... Jan 06 10:24:12 damn i can't even find the patch any more Jan 06 10:24:21 nfoxTc, it will probably f up your phone ill warn you now good luck Jan 06 10:24:25 acydlord: I may need to look into that... we may be able to port conky to the pre Jan 06 10:24:27 aye, it says compile with --disable-x11 Jan 06 10:24:33 i had it before it never messed up the phone Jan 06 10:24:42 I think I have a new project... Jan 06 10:24:45 nfoxTc, that was before 1.3.1 :) Jan 06 10:25:13 think of this... a conky program that automatically launches when it is placed on the touchstone Jan 06 10:25:22 cryptk|work, yeah, it may be possible to port it via scratchbox Jan 06 10:25:23 set a cycle time, say 5 seconds default Jan 06 10:25:46 it swaps back and forth every 5 seconds between system info for the pre and system info for your desktop Jan 06 10:26:00 it could transmit the data over a ssh connection Jan 06 10:26:27 another thing that would be nice is having it scrape the notification subsystem on the pre, and loop to the desktop Jan 06 10:26:32 maybe make it so that you set a "Home" wifi network, if it is in range of that wifi network, and is placed on a touchstone it pops it up Jan 06 10:26:53 so that phone notifications would show on your desktop? Jan 06 10:26:58 nfoxTc, aonic left free version as is for advanced users to tinker with if they like so if you can get it going awesome but the "patching" you speak of sounds likewhat worked on webos 1.2.1. highly doubt it will work on 1.3.5 and probably disable wifi on your phone completely. just make sure to make backups Jan 06 10:27:06 cryptk|work, yeah Jan 06 10:27:17 that would be cool Jan 06 10:27:20 rwhitby: so what's the issue holding up the release of scummvm for the Pre? is it just the keymaps? Jan 06 10:27:20 i have my conky do that with finch Jan 06 10:27:33 have the conky on your desktop show your notifications Jan 06 10:28:05 isn't finch for instant messaging? Jan 06 10:28:09 freakout: someone to do the key bindings Jan 06 10:28:22 funky Jan 06 10:28:28 post coming soon Jan 06 10:28:31 ok Jan 06 10:28:50 yeah, finch is a terminal based pidgin, i have it so it pushes anything from finch to conky via libnotify Jan 06 10:28:59 nfoxTc: be sure to back up your info before trying to make the out of date free myteather work Jan 06 10:29:09 it has been known to completely disable wifi Jan 06 10:29:19 and you may need to doctor to get it back Jan 06 10:29:30 brb, break time Jan 06 10:29:33 nfoxTc, keep me posted :) but if i were you i would stick to usb/bt tethering unless you get the other version Jan 06 10:30:16 i dont know why some people are so obsessed with the wifi tethering, usb tethering is more stable and doesnt eat the battery Jan 06 10:30:28 acydlord, indeed! Jan 06 10:30:53 also you dont have two radioes going burning up the phone.. it really cant be good for how people use it. Jan 06 10:31:27 wifi tethering is good for brif amount of time 5-10 maybe 20min... beyond that its worthless and dangerous Jan 06 10:31:44 i dont think people understand how solder can melt really easily :) Jan 06 10:33:27 lol wow Jan 06 10:33:29 i get uncomfortable with how high the heat gets with usb tethering sometimes Jan 06 10:33:38 i wifi tethered for 8 hours before Jan 06 10:33:47 Jack1987: i call bullshit ;-0 Jan 06 10:33:52 nfoxTc, good luck :) Jan 06 10:34:05 carry around an ice pack Jan 06 10:34:13 Jack1987: you should never ever put your pre on a touchstone then Jan 06 10:34:28 muesli, :) ok Jan 06 10:34:49 yeah jack you have any data to back that up? Jan 06 10:34:56 nope Jan 06 10:34:59 i still need to buy an extra rechargable tooth brush to make my homemade touchstone Jan 06 10:35:00 i mean lets say you catch a wifi signal at a hotspot Jan 06 10:35:05 i just no i dont like how hot it gets Jan 06 10:35:10 you can do what you wish Jan 06 10:35:24 hmm Jan 06 10:35:34 it does get hot i know that from experince Jan 06 10:35:34 using wifi for data != using evdo to push data over wifi Jan 06 10:35:35 acydlord, hehe nice but... um.. they cost morethen the touchstone Jan 06 10:35:56 acydlord, dont bother :) Jan 06 10:36:03 Jack1987, touchstone is still like 70, i can get a rechargable toothbrush for $6 Jan 06 10:36:24 acydlord, wtf... mine was 80 Jan 06 10:36:33 toothbrush that is Jan 06 10:36:45 acydlord, touchstone back you can find around 17 :) Jan 06 10:37:10 yeah, touchstone backs i can get easy, step brother gets discount at bestbuy Jan 06 10:37:33 and i have a friend who is a dental assistant, so i get crest crap on the cheap Jan 06 10:38:10 acydlord, you will have to let me know how it goes Jan 06 10:38:36 Jack1987, if it all works well i'll end up doing a write-up and instructable on it Jan 06 10:38:41 one last sdlmame build error: Jan 06 10:38:44 obj/sdl/mame/libosd.a(sdlmain.o): In function `osd_init': Jan 06 10:38:44 sdlmain.c:(.text+0x5c8): undefined reference to `sdl_num_processors' Jan 06 10:42:49 rwhitby: I know that heat is always bad for electronics, but do you really think wifi tethering could cause a problem? Jan 06 10:42:58 not trying to start an arguement just curious Jan 06 10:47:14 I wish seidio would come out with a touchstone compatible back for their extended battery Jan 06 10:47:27 if they came out with that, I would get their battery Jan 06 10:47:48 but I have a touchstone on my desk at home so I'm not gonna upgrade the battery and not eb able to use it Jan 06 10:48:05 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10024/new-webos-sdl-ports-supertux-tetricrisis-scummvm/ Jan 06 10:48:10 I had their extended battery for a Motorola Q I used to have, that battery lasted forever Jan 06 10:49:24 i need to set up my pre to do this http://twitpic.com/1b6an Jan 06 10:49:44 I miss my N810 sometimes Jan 06 10:50:56 cryptk|work, agreeded Jan 06 10:51:34 Hello all. freakout that's nice, can't wait for a bit of scummvm :) Jan 06 10:51:35 time for me to actually do some work... Jan 06 10:51:44 cryptk|work, just modify one so it works with the touchstone Jan 06 10:51:48 doohan: thank rwhitby ;) Jan 06 10:52:07 rwhitby, many thanks :) Jan 06 10:57:31 I would have to loon into it to see how the backs work... Jan 06 11:02:35 freakout: did you tweet that? Jan 06 11:03:26 ya, ya I did Jan 06 11:03:56 http://twitter.com/TimCarroll_/statuses/7437276333 Jan 06 11:04:45 rwhitby, you are a tweeting machine now arent you Jan 06 11:07:01 does rwhitby need someone to do the code for keybinding to schemes? Jan 06 11:09:14 wow Jan 06 11:09:16 sick SDL Jan 06 11:09:35 it's not official yet, or is it? Jan 06 11:11:05 rwhitby, me likie! Jan 06 11:11:14 Jack1987: first I need someone who has actually played ScummVM games before, then I need someone who can code what that first person says should be the keybindings Jan 06 11:11:41 you cant aim with your finger at all though ;) Jan 06 11:11:57 indeed Jan 06 11:12:38 I played ScummVM on PalmOS :) Jan 06 11:12:54 see if dtzWill will jump on that project with you... im sure he can come up with something Jan 06 11:13:23 * MetaView is trying to webosdoctor its GSM Pre Jan 06 11:13:43 his* Jan 06 11:13:46 to 1.3.5? Jan 06 11:13:51 right, right Jan 06 11:13:56 right, yes Jan 06 11:14:39 I knew about some which did it quite successful with 1.3.1 some month ago Jan 06 11:15:01 well, rather weeks, the Pre was introduced mid neovember Jan 06 11:18:11 MetaView: gsm was? Jan 06 11:18:33 WorldReady Jan 06 11:19:20 i wonder when 1.3.5 comes out for europe Jan 06 11:19:52 worldready? Jan 06 11:19:58 what's that? Jan 06 11:20:03 not sprint Jan 06 11:20:04 lol Jan 06 11:20:11 I mean the gsm came out in november? Jan 06 11:20:13 depends on which world Jan 06 11:20:18 Pre first came out in Une Jan 06 11:20:20 June Jan 06 11:20:33 october 13th in germany Jan 06 11:20:48 was it october? ok, then october Jan 06 11:20:55 yep Jan 06 11:21:00 MetaView: 1.3.5 doctor now has an extra check for device type in it Jan 06 11:21:13 it does? Jan 06 11:21:37 hm, it's downloading things to the phone atm Jan 06 11:21:56 oh, I see Jan 06 11:22:03 your device is not compatible... Jan 06 11:22:06 a pity Jan 06 11:22:22 ? Jan 06 11:22:41 what webosdoctor did you DL? Jan 06 11:22:49 there's 3 versions Jan 06 11:22:52 there wasn't a webosdoctor in the OS preview Dropbox this time Jan 06 11:22:59 yes there was Jan 06 11:23:01 i have it Jan 06 11:23:03 I dwl sprint pre 1.3.5 Jan 06 11:23:26 there was a webos doctor for sprint, bellmo and worldready Jan 06 11:23:26 frederic_h: really? is not there anymore, right? Jan 06 11:23:30 no Jan 06 11:23:35 but u can get it from the history Jan 06 11:23:42 check the webinterface of dropbox Jan 06 11:24:02 ok, thx Jan 06 11:26:58 hah u restored it Jan 06 11:27:05 ok, so we have sdlmame built. let's see if it runs. anyone know how to run mame? Jan 06 11:27:06 you could have just clicked preview Jan 06 11:27:09 but okay Jan 06 11:27:10 :P Jan 06 11:27:43 Unexpected option gl_lib queried Jan 06 11:27:43 sdlvideo_init: Initialization failed! Jan 06 11:28:31 frederic_h: did show hidden files, but then there was no download Jan 06 11:29:02 MetaView: Jan 06 11:29:06 did you restore it? Jan 06 11:29:12 in the webinterface Jan 06 11:29:32 well you did Jan 06 11:29:34 its updating Jan 06 11:29:35 yes Jan 06 11:29:41 So, I have a hypothetical question...for anyone who would know and feels like indulging in hypotheticals. Jan 06 11:29:59 MetaView: it is there in Buld354 folder Jan 06 11:30:19 not in my DropBox folder Jan 06 11:30:29 but it's downloading now using the webinterface Jan 06 11:30:46 it's kind a strange way to share files... Jan 06 11:30:54 has your dropbox updated it already? Jan 06 11:30:55 lol Jan 06 11:31:03 yes it is indeed Jan 06 11:32:56 by the way, once u finished downloading u should probably redelete it, cuz i dont think "webOSdev Developer Portal" deleted it without a reason Jan 06 11:33:57 and next time, don't restore it, just click preview in your browser and it'll dl it too Jan 06 11:34:36 idontwan2know: fire away already Jan 06 11:35:06 frederic_h: I assumed no one was interested! lol Jan 06 11:35:35 Anyway...how useful is SDL from the perspective of writing new games for WebOS vs. porting existing games? Jan 06 11:36:06 idontwan2know, dont have an sdk for new games yet Jan 06 11:36:22 hi,i'd like to replace the start menu button in the quick launch bar by some other icon. is there a patch for that? Jan 06 11:36:58 Jack1987: yeah, that's why it's a hypothetical. Jan 06 11:37:13 idontwan2know: you can write new games using SDL and OpenGLES Jan 06 11:37:57 dtzWill: ok, I've put my current sdlmame Makefile into preware/cross-compile.git/nonworking/sdlmame - it should "make build" from there Jan 06 11:38:12 I'm hoping someone else will get it to work while I sleep. Jan 06 11:38:20 * rwhitby bbt - night all Jan 06 11:39:32 rwhitby: night Jan 06 11:41:37 I just ask because it strikes me that including the SDL libraries seems odd unless there's something out there that already uses it that they're accomodating (the Unreal Engine is what I'm getting at here) or if SDL makes writing new games easier. Jan 06 11:42:23 frederic_h: ok, now I see what you mean with preview... sry for a bit slow today.. Jan 06 11:42:29 My impression was that the main strength and point of SDL was that it was compatible across Linux platforms, which shouldn't really be an issue for new WebOS development... Jan 06 11:43:16 Obviously they didn't put it in there so that you guys could port Doom and Quake. Jan 06 11:43:27 However cool that side effect may be. Jan 06 11:44:27 Just a thought...all will be revealed tomorrow anyway. Jan 06 11:45:18 my 10min game play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0qTfcRMLg Jan 06 11:54:31 Jack1987: nice work on the vid Jan 06 11:55:52 idontwan2know: I actually think that's precisely why they did put libSDL there. Jan 06 11:56:53 im just happy OpenGLES will be available soon, so i can remake my game Jan 06 11:57:24 really sucks having a nice game which isnt playable on the device cuz of slow javascript and stupid big garbage collection cycles Jan 06 11:57:42 rwhitby: as a viral marketing tactic? Jan 06 11:58:44 idontwan2know: sure, why not? If I was running the place I'd do it. Jan 06 11:59:53 frederic_h: which game? Jan 06 12:04:43 so I am liiking into conky and they have alot of options that can be configured during the configure Jan 06 12:04:51 idontwan2know, thanks Jan 06 12:05:00 you can pull out support for the various media players that it can grab info from Jan 06 12:05:06 as well as a whole list of other things Jan 06 12:05:14 cryptk|work, nice Jan 06 12:05:20 so I should be able to strip out alot of the stuff that wouldn't apply on the pre Jan 06 12:05:46 although I may be able to interface it with the built in music player, but I don't know if that would really be worth it... Jan 06 12:06:00 and it all depends on if I can find a way to hook in to the media player... Jan 06 12:06:20 frederic_h: what's the game? Jan 06 12:06:24 but I don't think I will bother with that since I don't think it will really be used Jan 06 12:06:42 looks like I may be setting up sb2 when I get home... Jan 06 12:07:44 MetaView, rwhitby: a breakout game i made in a canvas Jan 06 12:09:41 frederic_h: cool, thx Jan 06 12:10:03 on P|C they jus aren't getting that the volume buttons CANNOT feasabily be used for controls in quake... LOL Jan 06 12:10:10 I really spelled it out for them this time Jan 06 12:11:00 egaudet: libsdl-mixer is now staged Jan 06 12:11:14 * rwhitby bbt for real this time Jan 06 12:11:20 i'll bb in like 1 hour.. Jan 06 12:12:15 Jack1987, that's cool, do any other controls seem to lock like the firing does? Jan 06 12:12:26 It's running really smooth though Jan 06 12:13:45 doohan, what do you mean firing? Jan 06 12:13:54 When you were shooting and jumping at the start Jan 06 12:14:05 what about it Jan 06 12:14:06 it seemed to just keep swinging the axe/shooting Jan 06 12:14:56 doohan, im not sure why it did that Jan 06 12:15:17 Just checking that it wasn't me imagining it Jan 06 12:15:25 It's cool all the same. Jan 06 12:16:05 Looks playable enough Jan 06 12:16:29 have you tried it Jan 06 12:16:35 its very playable Jan 06 12:16:48 Not yet, waiting for the 1.3.5 update to show up here then installing preware Jan 06 12:17:25 There's going to be so much fun stuff to try :) Jan 06 12:17:30 gsm ? Jan 06 12:17:36 Yeah Jan 06 12:18:07 its very playable you will like it. i hope zsoc|sleep puts similar controls into doom i would be playing doom :) Jan 06 12:18:18 Yeah, doom would be perfect with those controls Jan 06 12:18:21 No jump needed Jan 06 12:18:46 jump surprisingly is not so hard Jan 06 12:18:49 does doom even have a jump? lol Jan 06 12:18:57 holding gesture toggles strafe Jan 06 12:18:59 And if doom works, hexen and heretic probably work too. Jan 06 12:19:02 cryptk|work, nope Jan 06 12:19:08 that is what I thought Jan 06 12:19:12 cryptk|work, you just sprint across gaps Jan 06 12:19:21 yeah Jan 06 12:21:11 I dont get why they moved app updates out of the updates app Jan 06 12:29:13 joshua: they did? where did they go? Jan 06 12:39:02 jettero: they're in the app cat now Jan 06 12:53:16 bbiab, a couple hours Jan 06 13:01:40 any word from palm at ces? Jan 06 13:02:40 they don't present until tomorrow Jan 06 13:02:49 i Jan 06 13:03:01 idontwan2know: later today? Jan 06 13:03:05 fuck I didn't sleep Jan 06 13:03:13 no more irc for jack Jan 06 13:04:23 I'm hoping for an announcement for support for the unreal engine to be ported to webos Jan 06 13:05:38 tomorrow needs to hurry up.. Jan 06 13:05:44 will there be a live coverage of palm's event tomorrow? Jan 06 13:05:55 that'd be huge emotionap1 Jan 06 13:06:03 there prob will be somewhere Jan 06 13:06:47 i believe they will annouce more apps from brighthouse labs... they will be like "looking for an app? brighthouse labs made it already... there is an app for everything" Jan 06 13:06:50 :) Jan 06 13:07:03 any news on the scummvm front? Jan 06 13:08:56 unreal engine, a bit much for the pre?\n Jan 06 13:09:31 doubt it Jan 06 13:09:51 well see though Jan 06 13:09:53 they've already anounced they're bringing it to the iPhone, and they have the same hardware Jan 06 13:10:18 exactly and most androids don't have multitouch support Jan 06 13:10:29 unreal ported to iphones and pre has a comparable processor/gpu Jan 06 13:10:40 most androids don't even have a GPU at all Jan 06 13:10:45 lol Jan 06 13:10:56 s/androids/android phones/ Jan 06 13:10:56 idontwan2know meant: most android phones don't even have a GPU at all Jan 06 13:11:10 aCrazyPenguin13, not comparable it has the same processor as iphone 3gs Jan 06 13:11:11 oh wow that'd be nice Jan 06 13:11:31 wonder what kind of games they will dev Jan 06 13:12:07 gears 3 for webos only ftw! Jan 06 13:12:23 lol j/k Jan 06 13:12:54 how the fuck are they going to dev games like that for the iphone wo a keyboard Jan 06 13:13:12 emotionap1, unreal engine on pre would rock Jan 06 13:13:25 ha gears 3 Jan 06 13:13:33 But I'd settle for anything let you you fire sprites around at more than 19fps Jan 06 13:14:09 seriously tho palm needs some momentum and that would seriously steal the show from apple Jan 06 13:14:38 dont worry Jan 06 13:14:39 it will Jan 06 13:14:53 that plus getting flash first would be huge Jan 06 13:15:21 adobe said early 1Q of 2010 Jan 06 13:15:22 not to mention a bazillion flash games / apps Jan 06 13:15:31 true that's what I'm waiting on the most Jan 06 13:15:32 it will come in next update afaik Jan 06 13:15:47 the gpu is there so flash can take advantage of it now Jan 06 13:15:51 I'm sick of everyone w a hero saying they have flash... Jan 06 13:16:01 and as soon as they release I expect to see hulu app Jan 06 13:16:01 ;) Jan 06 13:16:06 the general public has no clue wat flash is Jan 06 13:16:25 No, but when they seee what it can do, it will be big. Jan 06 13:16:35 they aren't too smart that's why the iphone is so propular lol Jan 06 13:16:49 lol yeah Jan 06 13:16:50 nfoxTc, i second this Jan 06 13:17:04 they say that the first iphone is not capable of MMS because of hardwar Jan 06 13:17:05 e Jan 06 13:17:08 which is BS Jan 06 13:17:10 but u know Jan 06 13:17:16 whatever steve says it's golden Jan 06 13:17:17 :) Jan 06 13:17:28 apple is fashion not tech Jan 06 13:17:34 has been forever Jan 06 13:17:36 steve jobs is a tool Jan 06 13:17:48 they steal stuff from other companies Jan 06 13:17:54 well i have my 3gs cuz its the smoothes running smartphone out there Jan 06 13:17:59 I'm not gonna pretend the iPhone isn't a great phone. Jan 06 13:17:59 jailbroken ofcourse Jan 06 13:18:01 It is. Jan 06 13:18:03 i wonder who will win the pantents war apple or nokia ;) Jan 06 13:18:16 apple i guess Jan 06 13:18:40 pre is fashion & tech Jan 06 13:18:40 I don't like apple at all Jan 06 13:18:41 but remember that nokia have huge portfolio of patents Jan 06 13:18:43 I just can't stand the apple fans and the way Apple has become exactly like the old Microsoft that they started out fighting. Jan 06 13:18:44 same with palm Jan 06 13:18:54 itunes turned me off Jan 06 13:19:00 i like the OS Jan 06 13:19:11 if the iphone didn't have a lot of devs for it it would be worthless Jan 06 13:19:30 that's the only thing keeping it afloat Jan 06 13:19:33 i remember when apple started with iphone Jan 06 13:19:39 and they wanted everyone to write apps in html Jan 06 13:19:48 without any frameworks like mojo etc Jan 06 13:19:51 and cut them off lmao Jan 06 13:19:56 haha Jan 06 13:20:02 after a year they released a native sdk Jan 06 13:20:20 yeah I bet the early devs got pissed I would Jan 06 13:20:33 but i wonder why apple still have a contract att knowing that att is crap Jan 06 13:20:51 I just hate how people think an iphone is "magical" when a pre can do the same as long as there's software for it Jan 06 13:21:00 too much competition on other carriers Jan 06 13:21:25 they won't go heads up w palm or android really Jan 06 13:22:02 i think if apple dont do something exciting with 4g iphone they will start losing customers Jan 06 13:22:08 and android and palm will gain Jan 06 13:22:28 vender willing to help with tightly controlled phone ecosphere Jan 06 13:23:05 yeah idk how android is stealing marketshare from palm Jan 06 13:23:11 but look at how fast iphone 3gs is... pre can be as fast as 3gs too Jan 06 13:23:18 it has the same hardware Jan 06 13:23:22 yeah Jan 06 13:23:35 thing is it's all abt name to people Jan 06 13:23:39 emotionalap1: Simple, they have dozens of phones on 20+ carriers Jan 06 13:23:58 Palm has 2 phones on 1 carrier, and it's the smallest of the big 3. Jan 06 13:24:18 s/1 carrier/1 US carrier/ Jan 06 13:24:18 idontwan2know meant: Palm has 2 phones on 1 US carrier, and it's the smallest of the big 3. Jan 06 13:24:20 and a mad crazy droid media blitz Jan 06 13:24:30 u will see Jan 06 13:24:41 palm has a strategy they know what they are doing Jan 06 13:24:44 don't worry Jan 06 13:24:51 idk well see when they release w verizon Jan 06 13:25:04 apple wasn't fixed in a 6months when it almost bankrupt Jan 06 13:25:18 as long as pre is on verizon I don't think apple will put the iphone on it Jan 06 13:25:38 so I guess that's a good thing Jan 06 13:25:40 i wonder how verizon will limit pre Jan 06 13:25:48 will they block the app catalog? Jan 06 13:25:52 that's a good question Jan 06 13:26:07 doubtful they don't block androids Jan 06 13:26:47 but that's a logical fallacy to assume they wont Jan 06 13:26:48 14:26:09 en0x @> there will be no vcast for pre Jan 06 13:26:49 14:26:18 en0x @> i wonder if a lot of ppl use that vcast Jan 06 13:26:49 14:26:25 en0x @> on their verizon phones Jan 06 13:27:18 I didn't when I had them Jan 06 13:27:28 vcast is dank Jan 06 13:27:35 bbl Jan 06 13:27:37 i remember when i was switching from tmobile to verizon Jan 06 13:27:45 I had their service for 20 minutes Jan 06 13:27:47 and i cancelled it Jan 06 13:27:48 omg you had tmobile too? Jan 06 13:27:48 :P Jan 06 13:27:53 lol Jan 06 13:28:07 lol man i had a lot of stuff Jan 06 13:28:08 I hate tmobile so much Jan 06 13:28:26 att/nextel/cingular/tmobile/att/verizon(for 20 minutes)/sprint Jan 06 13:28:33 I had suncom and when tmobile took over it became absolute crap Jan 06 13:28:52 I had verizon for a few months Jan 06 13:28:55 and now i make fun of att/tmobile ppl Jan 06 13:29:05 they don't have coverage where i do Jan 06 13:29:05 ;) Jan 06 13:29:08 are any of the devs who were working on opengles around? Jan 06 13:29:20 yeah dropped calls earn a big fat f in my book Jan 06 13:29:28 is there a quick and easy way to install .ipks w/o the sdk? Jan 06 13:29:32 emotionap1, actually from alkl the carriers I had Jan 06 13:29:37 i most liked tmobile Jan 06 13:29:53 wow really? what area are you in? Jan 06 13:30:16 boston,ma Jan 06 13:30:37 well my friend had sprint for 2 years and he said that sprint is crap Jan 06 13:30:42 he lives in nyc Jan 06 13:30:46 I see well I'm in wilmington,nc and it was crap here lol Jan 06 13:30:53 i was in nyc few times and i had no issues Jan 06 13:31:02 with sprint service full bars everywhere Jan 06 13:31:21 idk why ppl bitch so much about sprint... still Jan 06 13:31:28 yeah I'm like that w my sprint service wherever I go Jan 06 13:32:03 and if I dont have coverage Jan 06 13:32:13 i'm sure I can roam on verizon and I will have few bars Jan 06 13:32:34 i switched to sprint just for the pre Jan 06 13:32:41 and so far i'm very happy with my sprint service Jan 06 13:32:42 ppl talk crap abt there customer support and I was just talking to one of the cs guys for like hours abt the pre and the verizon/att commercials before lol Jan 06 13:32:55 I originally had sprint 4-5 years ago. Got rid of it because I was constantly getting spam texts and would go into roaming sitting in front of a major mall 10 minutes from my house. Jan 06 13:33:12 emotionap1, i was talking to CS few times to just random question they are more helpful than tmobile's CS Jan 06 13:33:53 they waved my activation fees Jan 06 13:33:59 etc with no issues Jan 06 13:35:09 hm Jan 06 13:35:25 anyone answered my question while i was timing out? Jan 06 13:35:31 huh Jan 06 13:35:55 is there a quick and easy way to install .ipks without installing the sdk Jan 06 13:35:57 webosquickinstall Jan 06 13:36:07 yea thats not really "quick" nor easy Jan 06 13:36:13 why not? Jan 06 13:36:16 sureit is Jan 06 13:36:18 it seems a lot quicker and easier just to dl the sdk Jan 06 13:36:28 nahhh Jan 06 13:36:40 waiting for the sdk is a biatch Jan 06 13:36:59 its smaller than the webosdoctor images Jan 06 13:38:27 still though... quickinstall is quick enough Jan 06 13:38:37 so did anyone found out what that turbo mode does in luna? Jan 06 13:38:37 :> Jan 06 13:38:51 idk lol was wondering the same thing Jan 06 13:39:16 what turbo mode Jan 06 13:39:41 well with 1.3.5 update we discovered that there is a turbo mode in LunaSysMgr Jan 06 13:39:44 :p Jan 06 13:39:49 which is turned off by default Jan 06 13:39:50 :p Jan 06 13:41:42 why couldn't they have said supercharged or nitro or something Jan 06 13:41:53 why did they have to discriminate goddd Jan 06 13:42:10 superphone mode Jan 06 13:42:11 nvm Jan 06 13:42:11 buahaha Jan 06 13:42:14 lmao Jan 06 13:42:18 like google called their nexus one Jan 06 13:42:22 god mode Jan 06 13:42:23 it's not a smartphone Jan 06 13:42:27 is superphone Jan 06 13:42:28 buahaha Jan 06 13:42:29 lol Jan 06 13:42:40 it should be god phone Jan 06 13:43:05 hehe Jan 06 13:43:16 and everyone could have chuck norris on their commercials Jan 06 13:43:22 palm should call it god more instead of turbo mode Jan 06 13:43:30 s/more/mode/ Jan 06 13:43:31 en0x meant: palm should call it god mode instead of turbo mode Jan 06 13:44:28 lol yeah Jan 06 13:44:35 turbo is played out Jan 06 13:44:39 they have no sense of humor Jan 06 13:44:40 :( Jan 06 13:44:44 someone make a patch for that Jan 06 13:44:51 lmao Jan 06 13:45:07 or godzilla mode Jan 06 13:45:08 hehehe Jan 06 13:45:14 lol yeah Jan 06 13:45:23 then mechagodzilla Jan 06 13:45:28 buehehehe Jan 06 13:45:36 sup en0x Jan 06 13:45:39 mecha mode Jan 06 13:45:44 sup mobgod Jan 06 13:45:49 ssdd u Jan 06 13:46:29 I'm hungry now thanks to toaster Jan 06 13:46:47 en0x got a ? for you what can i use to back up texts and pics getting another pre today Jan 06 13:46:48 god I need to register for classes today too damnit Jan 06 13:47:15 cellbrite? Jan 06 13:47:30 emotionap1, me too but i dont see any interesting classes so I say fuck it Jan 06 13:47:39 whatever that machine is at sprint Jan 06 13:47:43 mobgod, hmm... pics u can just copy tru usb Jan 06 13:47:49 text are a bitch to backup Jan 06 13:48:02 darn that bad en Jan 06 13:48:21 en0x * Jan 06 13:48:25 there is some experimental backup utility in preware Jan 06 13:48:28 check it out Jan 06 13:48:28 :p Jan 06 13:48:48 I'm trying to finish my engineering degree but it's proving rather bland after having to take more boring classes Jan 06 13:49:19 cs here Jan 06 13:49:44 en0x ur taking a css class? Jan 06 13:49:54 or do u just meann cs Jan 06 13:50:00 lol they have CSS classes? Jan 06 13:50:07 cs = computer science Jan 06 13:50:26 cool Jan 06 13:50:28 emotionap1, to what university/college u r going too? Jan 06 13:50:40 uncw - nc state Jan 06 13:50:44 i see Jan 06 13:50:56 it's a 2 plus 2 program Jan 06 13:51:10 whats the difference between regular program? Jan 06 13:51:35 do u work full time too? or u just study? Jan 06 13:51:37 nothing except I have to actually attend nc state next year Jan 06 13:51:52 work full time basically and study Jan 06 13:51:56 same as me Jan 06 13:52:00 en0x u sure u seen something in preware? Jan 06 13:52:11 mobgod, yap in list everything Jan 06 13:52:15 the backup utility should be there Jan 06 13:52:43 i go to bostun univeristy and work there too... so i have classes for free I only pay registration fees Jan 06 13:52:53 the bummer is I can only take 2 classes a semester Jan 06 13:53:09 wow that sucks why? Jan 06 13:53:28 idk that's the rule... if u work full time u can't take more than 2 classes Jan 06 13:54:33 wow it's not like ur traveling far from ur work tho lol I don't get that at all maybe they should make that an exception Jan 06 13:55:05 thats stupid but well Jan 06 13:55:07 its free Jan 06 13:55:07 :p Jan 06 13:55:12 yeah Jan 06 13:55:22 and i get to see nice young bitches :0 Jan 06 13:55:51 damn right Jan 06 13:56:09 :) Jan 06 13:56:10 last semester only had one class w fine girls in it lol Jan 06 13:56:25 I was like wtf Jan 06 13:56:27 i take the non-technical classes first ;) Jan 06 13:56:38 lol yeah Jan 06 13:56:42 hehehe Jan 06 13:56:53 that's what happens when you get into technical stuff Jan 06 13:57:06 well i did my associate degree at some other college Jan 06 13:57:17 now i'm trying to get bechelor degree at bu Jan 06 13:57:17 it's like the prettier they are the stupider they are Jan 06 13:57:29 en0x u sure its in there could it have been removed? Jan 06 13:58:04 mobgod, sure it's still there Jan 06 13:58:11 emotionap1, right... Jan 06 13:58:18 i remember my Operating system class Jan 06 13:58:22 i was there like twice Jan 06 13:58:29 and i didn;'t even present my final project Jan 06 13:58:35 and i still got b+ Jan 06 13:58:49 wow lol Jan 06 13:58:53 i just gave a cd with my project to the professor and powerpoint presentation Jan 06 13:58:58 en0x do you have a name by any chance Jan 06 13:58:59 and I was liek seee ya ;D Jan 06 13:59:35 im taking classes at bu for 3 semesters already Jan 06 13:59:44 and last samesterr I bought my first book Jan 06 13:59:48 database management Jan 06 14:00:08 wow Jan 06 14:00:15 mobgod, why donb't u search for backup in list everything? Jan 06 14:00:23 emotionap1, yes I know ;) Jan 06 14:00:52 i did Jan 06 14:00:57 mobgod, just type backup in list everything Jan 06 14:01:04 mobgod, its called backup utility Jan 06 14:01:35 well i guess i dont have it than Jan 06 14:01:44 bc nothing comes up at all Jan 06 14:02:13 I swore I saw it earlier and now it's not there. Jan 06 14:02:33 i see it in preware right now Jan 06 14:02:36 u suck Jan 06 14:02:36 :P Jan 06 14:02:38 hahhaha Jan 06 14:03:08 emotionap1 u dont see it either right? Jan 06 14:03:26 en0x i think ur fucking with me Jan 06 14:03:37 nope Jan 06 14:03:40 wanna screenshot? :> Jan 06 14:03:46 sure Jan 06 14:03:50 lol Jan 06 14:04:11 I'm gonna get out of here so I can get some rest Jan 06 14:04:26 I'll catch up with you guys later Jan 06 14:04:33 emotionap1 ok have a good one Jan 06 14:04:39 the pre is gonna die soon lmao Jan 06 14:04:43 you too Jan 06 14:04:53 later Jan 06 14:04:56 l8r Jan 06 14:05:10 http://yfrog.com/36s0kp Jan 06 14:05:12 mobgod, ^ Jan 06 14:05:34 hmmm Jan 06 14:05:47 why the heck do i not see it than and im not the only one Jan 06 14:06:34 coz u lame Jan 06 14:06:35 :P Jan 06 14:06:49 haha really Jan 06 14:08:58 en0x any idea? Jan 06 14:12:36 no clue Jan 06 14:12:42 update ur feed Jan 06 14:12:52 do u have testing feed setup? Jan 06 14:13:17 i was just going to ask you for that feed Jan 06 14:13:27 thats what it must seem to be Jan 06 14:13:34 seems likely Jan 06 14:14:02 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ Jan 06 14:14:03 :P Jan 06 14:15:12 owell i guess i'm shit out of luck Jan 06 14:15:23 en0x wont let me even add a new feed Jan 06 14:15:38 [; Jan 06 14:18:53 Hi, I am trying to "get rid" of the button for the start menu in the quick launch bar / launch wave. It seems redundant to me since I always use the gesture for that instead of that button, and I'd like to replace it with something useful... Jan 06 14:20:06 well i have to get my as to work Jan 06 14:20:11 later all Jan 06 14:26:45 damada, u can't change the launcher button Jan 06 14:27:12 en0x: really? I am sure I have seen a screenshot somewhere where the launcher was gone Jan 06 14:27:22 i dont think so Jan 06 14:27:41 I only can't remember where, think it was some preview in the Preware app browser Jan 06 14:27:55 so some geek managed to remove it :9 Jan 06 14:31:59 why geek Jan 06 14:32:16 cant u just browse the launcher app src and change it so the launcher is gone? Jan 06 14:32:24 javascript isnt really that hard to read Jan 06 14:33:30 If I remember correctly, the quick launch bar is not JS. Jan 06 14:33:57 its not? Jan 06 14:34:05 heck even the phone activation is javascript lol Jan 06 14:36:11 so... did I miss anything groundbreaking in the last couple hours... like we figured out all of the quirks and now have full access to the GPU? Jan 06 14:36:29 or we figured out how to code an app to make the pre go get me a beer from the fridge? Jan 06 14:37:13 frederic_h: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/213810-patch-request-remove-launcher-icon-bottom-bar-2.html#post2123507 Jan 06 14:37:58 ok, so we figured out that the launcher icon is hardcoded? I thought we already knew that? Jan 06 14:38:06 We did. Jan 06 14:38:16 Frederic_h was asking about it. Jan 06 14:38:24 but that is the most amazing thing in the last 2 hours? Jan 06 14:38:26 ahh Jan 06 14:38:35 I came in partway through the convo... I got it now Jan 06 14:38:51 I was hoping that thread had the answers to all of lifes mysteries or soemthing, lol Jan 06 14:39:09 anyway, time to set up sb2 and work on porting VBA and conky Jan 06 14:40:31 hmmm Jan 06 14:40:39 allright then Jan 06 14:41:47 damada you CAN change the launcher button as long as you don't change the "upswipe to bring up launcher" behavior. Jan 06 14:49:37 does anybody remember a "bug" that was discovered, allowing folks in europe to see the full app catalog?? i think jason found it Jan 06 14:49:41 perhaps it was the repair utility? Jan 06 15:00:05 bug? Jan 06 15:00:42 i have a us and a european device and i just copied over the catalog apps to the other device Jan 06 15:00:43 kinda fun Jan 06 15:01:59 Rick-home: how do I do this? Jan 06 15:36:12 morning Jan 06 15:37:23 we didn't do too well on ricks request, did we? Jan 06 15:42:25 if the 3rd party updates aren't listed in updates anymore, but only in the app catalog, then where can you go for a list of software that has an update? Jan 06 15:45:23 good question Jan 06 15:46:22 did you ever get walkthrough going ipk launch? Jan 06 15:49:49 destinal-wirc: he dont need the apps till tomorrow i thought Jan 06 15:49:56 we got 3 games though Jan 06 15:50:00 anyone I mean Jan 06 15:50:11 maybe a 4th soon Jan 06 15:50:20 Oh, they apparently added what I just asked about in 1.3.5.1 Jan 06 15:50:22 ah ok, Jan 06 15:50:23 i wanted to add accelerometer support to space invaders Jan 06 15:50:36 where is the wifi profile kept on the pre? Jan 06 15:50:37 but i prob wont for first release Jan 06 15:50:44 jettero: what did u ask for Jan 06 15:51:19 I asked hwere I can go for a list of 3rd party apps with updates Jan 06 15:51:25 since they took it out of the updates app Jan 06 15:51:36 but the first thing 1.3.5.1 did on the updates page was take me to an app store page that shows that very thing Jan 06 15:51:49 cool Jan 06 15:51:52 indeed Jan 06 15:51:55 1.3.5.1 is out Jan 06 15:51:56 wtf Jan 06 15:52:21 yea wtf Jan 06 15:52:27 :) Jan 06 15:52:33 I got it from the updates app... Jan 06 15:52:46 I went in there so I could complain about not having what they just added, but now I can't complain apparently. weird Jan 06 15:52:46 sprint? Jan 06 15:52:49 sprint Jan 06 15:52:54 bah Jan 06 15:53:06 1.3.5 isnt even out in europe Jan 06 15:53:12 and sprint already has 1.3.5.1 Jan 06 15:54:16 ehhh.... Jan 06 15:54:22 1.3.5.1 is pointless Jan 06 15:54:28 ? Jan 06 15:54:29 just a calendar fix for exchange users Jan 06 15:54:31 it had at least one feature I wanted Jan 06 15:54:36 see above Jan 06 15:54:42 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/50607_en.html#1351 Jan 06 15:54:57 no mention of that in there Jan 06 15:55:45 yeah, but it's still happening Jan 06 15:56:05 based on the wiki: /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi contains wifi preferences... does this also mean all stored networks/settings/passwords? Jan 06 15:56:24 puff: did you try any more with dosbox or get stuck where I did? Jan 06 15:56:26 i dont think passwords are stored in plain text Jan 06 15:56:36 atleast i HOPE NOT Jan 06 15:56:39 frederic_h: thats OK i just want to backup before I replace my phone Jan 06 15:56:41 jettero: I believe the thing where the responsibility for updating apps was moved from the Updates app to the App Catalog app was introduced in webOS 1.3.5, not 1.3.5.1. Jan 06 15:57:13 dsevil: k Jan 06 15:57:17 scrupul0us: just do a find / | grep wifi in novaterm Jan 06 15:57:28 dsevil: the updates app awasn't asking me about updates pre 1.3.5.1, but I'll accept user error... Jan 06 15:57:50 frederic_h: phone isnt rooted... was hoping i could pull the file with quickinstall and similarly replace it get/put Jan 06 15:57:55 destinal-wirc: i never tried dosbox... idk where you got that idea Jan 06 15:58:04 lol Jan 06 15:58:09 just enable dev mode Jan 06 15:58:10 duh. Jan 06 15:58:24 yes i know... dev mode -> quickinstall Jan 06 15:58:45 but the wiki says its a folder so thats why im here asking =) Jan 06 15:58:50 uh I'll have to check the log as to what I was thinking. weird Jan 06 15:59:04 scrupul0us: i thought u had sdk installed Jan 06 15:59:36 frederic_h: nope, sorry if i mislead you Jan 06 15:59:38 destinal-wirc: i asked about that cdrom issue Jan 06 15:59:42 cause i got it on Tetris Jan 06 15:59:47 cause it was trying to init everything Jan 06 15:59:51 aha Jan 06 15:59:54 destinal-wirc: what is your issue with dosbox? Jan 06 15:59:56 it was init all Jan 06 16:00:15 crashes after splash screen Jan 06 16:00:31 well i dont really know about all the preware and webosquickinstall stuff Jan 06 16:00:56 i only have the sdk installed and always do novaterm and then cp everything ti /media/internal and then just go into usb mode Jan 06 16:01:02 to* Jan 06 16:01:56 destinal-wirc: any clues from gdb? Jan 06 16:02:22 didn't have time at work yesterday Jan 06 16:02:39 destinal-wirc: why would you want dos? Jan 06 16:02:52 eg Jan 06 16:02:53 eh Jan 06 16:03:02 games and stuff Jan 06 16:03:38 really going back in time there Jan 06 16:03:43 is there an OS/2 box? Jan 06 16:03:57 hehe Jan 06 16:04:32 c64 emu why not Jan 06 16:04:45 * dsevil used to play shit like "willy the worm" for hours on end back in the days of dos. Jan 06 16:04:46 frederic_h: would you be willing to check that file out to see if it contains wifi networks or prefs? Jan 06 16:05:06 woot Jan 06 16:05:19 got sdl_terminal library built Jan 06 16:05:30 cool Jan 06 16:05:31 destinal-wirc so, dosbox is going to be "hard"? Jan 06 16:05:47 rick: maybe maybe not Jan 06 16:06:22 the best dos game ever was round42. Jan 06 16:06:30 works pretty well in dosbox. Jan 06 16:06:34 it'll take a bit of debugging anyway Jan 06 16:06:39 dsevil: aldo Jan 06 16:07:06 chips challenge for windows was sweet too Jan 06 16:07:11 and jezzball Jan 06 16:09:17 rick: you didn't answer before as to whether quantity or quality / utility is most important Jan 06 16:09:41 ie is dosbox worth not doing 3 other ports? Jan 06 16:10:09 In timw Jan 06 16:10:14 timw Jan 06 16:10:19 sigh Jan 06 16:10:20 destinal-wirc gooooood question. I have no idea. Apps which show openGL to advantage I think is what's important. Dosbox not critical. If we had some 3d rotating thingy demo app, that would be better... Jan 06 16:10:59 ok I'll look at that, do we still want a gl dem Jan 06 16:11:06 demo in preware? Jan 06 16:12:02 ie would enough people want it? Jan 06 16:12:16 scrupul0us: im sorry i dont have a device near me atm Jan 06 16:12:21 and real or testing feed Jan 06 16:12:56 gl demo is fine, and I can download and install an IPK from anywhere. But I think an IMPRESSIVE openGL demo is important. Jan 06 16:13:13 scrupul0us: I'll take a quick look-see. Jan 06 16:13:33 if I can find my USB cable. Jan 06 16:15:14 dsevil: thanks =) Jan 06 16:15:21 destinal-wirc demo in preware would be good if it was a REALLY IMPRESSIVE demo. Jan 06 16:17:10 it would need to be something involving alot of 3d effects... Jan 06 16:17:24 I understand the importance of the triangle of doom, but the average person may not Jan 06 16:17:38 they just see a 2D triangle with some moving circles... Jan 06 16:20:38 http://www.khronos.org/developers/resources/opengles/#texamples Jan 06 16:20:46 perhaps if we could get one of those running... Jan 06 16:21:10 I don't see any that are OGL ES 2.0 though... Jan 06 16:23:43 guess I'll have to learn :) Jan 06 16:24:09 or go dogless Jan 06 16:24:13 scrupul0us: /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/prefsDB.sl might be your best bet... it's a sqlite database Jan 06 16:24:48 dsevil: thanks, how many files are in that folder? Jan 06 16:25:00 scrupul0us: that's a file Jan 06 16:25:26 right, i meant com.palm.wifi Jan 06 16:25:30 i *think* it has everything but it's encoded... see built-in apps on the device Jan 06 16:25:32 doGL-ES .. is lib Jan 06 16:25:46 scrupul0us: novaterm it Jan 06 16:26:21 * scrupul0us doesnt have rooted phone Jan 06 16:26:45 or the means to try anything fancy at the moment... im at the office Jan 06 16:26:54 ah Jan 06 16:27:09 you can at least turn dev mode on for now Jan 06 16:27:23 destinal-wirc: the ported tuxracer to iphone has a file iphonegl.m (it's really all C not Objective-C) which contains a bunch of openGL functions mapped to corresponding GLES implmentation. At least that's what I -looks- like to me Jan 06 16:27:24 prefsDB.sl is the only file in the /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi directory. Jan 06 16:27:28 at least on my device. Jan 06 16:27:29 yea i leave that on... dont think ive ever shut it off Jan 06 16:27:35 scrupul0us you do not NEED a rooted phone Jan 06 16:27:51 just use novaterm to cd to /media/internal/music and delete files. Jan 06 16:28:07 novaterm works on any phone with dev mode turned on. No rooting required. Jan 06 16:28:17 Or, use preware and install terminal. Jan 06 16:28:35 Rick_work: im not familiar with novaterm... the extent of my usage beyond stock is dev mode / webos quick install Jan 06 16:28:53 ill have to look into it so i can understand things a bit more Jan 06 16:29:02 or use preware and install Internalz -- the file manager app in preware/webos quick install that gives you a gui file manager. Jan 06 16:29:09 :-) Jan 06 16:29:15 lotsa ways to kill cats. Jan 06 16:29:15 scrupul0us: as for inspecting prefsDB.sl, it appears to be encoded... you'll probably have to look at the built-in apps on the pre to figure things out Jan 06 16:29:53 dsevil: well im hoping i can pull the file to my PC and when I get my replacement pre just push the file back to the device Jan 06 16:30:51 egaudet: ping Jan 06 16:30:56 egaudet_work: piong Jan 06 16:31:04 PuffTheMagic: pong Jan 06 16:31:23 egaudet_work: so did supertux have joystick support or did u have to add it Jan 06 16:31:40 it had it, but I understand it I think Jan 06 16:32:35 you just get SDL_JoystickMotion events Jan 06 16:32:35 well i believe invaders has no joystick support by default Jan 06 16:32:39 all i need is left/right Jan 06 16:32:48 and tap from gesture area Jan 06 16:32:59 SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_JOYSTICK) Jan 06 16:33:11 tap from gesture area comes in as keyboard key 231 Jan 06 16:33:38 PuffTheMagic: look at setup.cpp in the supertux git Jan 06 16:33:53 dsevil: do you think that would work? Jan 06 16:34:33 that has the setup of the joystick. For supertux, I also had to switch the x/y axis and invert y, since fullscreen loads it up in landscape Jan 06 16:34:47 dsevil: presumably id have to airplane mode to disable any locks on the wifi db.. replacing it and then re-enabling the phone *should* pick the stuff up Jan 06 16:35:37 scrupul0us: i guess it could work... you *may* have to stop luna services and java while doing it though. Jan 06 16:36:05 don't assume airplane mode will release any database locks Jan 06 16:36:10 dsevil: thats my only "concern"... but i guess if i install preware and/or terminal then doing that wouldnt be an issue Jan 06 16:36:51 yeah, i don't think you want to disable luna while using terminal ;) Jan 06 16:37:09 unless you have to be rooted to control luna/java and i wont pretend to know Jan 06 16:37:13 yea good point, lol Jan 06 16:45:24 ok, so I am looking into compiling conky to run on the pre... unfortunately I have zero experience cross-compiling.... Jan 06 16:45:53 building from source is easy, I do that all the time... building from source for a different architecture is something completely different... Jan 06 16:46:14 good thing I have the emulator cause I plan on breaking it several times Jan 06 16:46:19 lol Jan 06 16:49:37 cryptk: there is a cross-compile.git in the webos-internals repo Jan 06 16:49:40 it should make life a bit easier Jan 06 16:49:50 are you aware of this repo ? Jan 06 16:50:24 * Rick_work off to airport Jan 06 16:50:35 enjoy CES Jan 06 16:53:44 anyone else get errors trying to remove the "More Reminder Alarm Times 1.3.5-1" patch? Jan 06 16:55:16 says "Unreversed patch detected!" Jan 06 16:55:26 wtf do I figure out what is at issue? Jan 06 16:55:35 is there a log somewhere that would give me more data on the device? Jan 06 16:56:12 morning chuq Jan 06 16:56:20 not at CES yet ? Jan 06 17:00:18 Morning Jan 06 17:00:55 just turned noon here for me .. another minute until afternoon Jan 06 17:01:03 bpadalino|work, yep, I just set up sb2 with the cross compile repo Jan 06 17:01:14 cryptk: should make life easy peasy Jan 06 17:01:49 the real problem is that conky is made to work with X, it does have a switch for configure to remove it though... Jan 06 17:02:06 what does it rely on if it isn't for X ? Jan 06 17:02:45 not sure... I am gonna build it on my computer without X first and see how it works out Jan 06 17:03:01 what is conky anyway ? Jan 06 17:03:02 I have no clue now it will run without X... maybe it go's command line only? I have no clue Jan 06 17:03:10 lemme get a screenshot for ya Jan 06 17:03:16 oh a system monitor Jan 06 17:03:17 i see it Jan 06 17:03:34 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/Screenshot.png Jan 06 17:03:40 look at the right side of my desktop Jan 06 17:03:45 that is conky Jan 06 17:04:10 basically a very lightweight, very powerful system monitor Jan 06 17:04:26 my end goal is to have it running on the pre, showing data from my desktop Jan 06 17:04:42 and make a service that will auto start it when I set the pre on the touchstone Jan 06 17:05:01 use it as an external LCD to display system information for my desktop Jan 06 17:05:49 very nice plan Jan 06 17:05:54 I thought CES was tomorrow. Jan 06 17:05:56 * egaudet_work needs to buy a touchstone Jan 06 17:05:59 My brain is getting old Jan 06 17:06:05 egaudet_work: me too Jan 06 17:06:11 Especially when I get my new Pre. Jan 06 17:06:17 I don't want to lose the USB door on this one. Jan 06 17:07:06 ird, i think there may be an exhibition period as well ? Jan 06 17:07:48 is there anyone that is willing to help me out with this? Jan 06 17:08:03 CES started tuesday and goes all week, I think Jan 06 17:08:05 egaudet_work, you seem a little interested, lol Jan 06 17:08:11 Palm's presentation is tomorrow Jan 06 17:08:27 ah Jan 06 17:08:31 I misunderstood then. Jan 06 17:08:31 Thanks idontwan2know Jan 06 17:08:36 np Jan 06 17:08:59 I can try to look at some things when you need, does it have any SDL support in it? Jan 06 17:09:39 that is what I am trying to figure out Jan 06 17:09:53 I can disable the X11 support with ./configure --disable-x11 Jan 06 17:10:11 lunch time .. Jan 06 17:10:12 not sure what it will render with though, so I am building it now on my ubuntu box without x11 to see what happens Jan 06 17:11:31 grep -r SDL * Jan 06 17:11:45 without SDL it won't be very useful for WebOS Jan 06 17:14:53 rwhitby: multiple mice just work Jan 06 17:14:59 tested that days ago Jan 06 17:15:27 if you click multitouch / more than one spot, you have more than one mouse clicking, up to 5 at once Jan 06 17:19:54 do i have to back out all my patches for the 1.3.5->1.3.5.1 update? (I have no email app patches) or is it safe to just let it go? Jan 06 17:21:18 egaudet_work, it doesn't do SDL, but it does command line Jan 06 17:22:14 it can output with plain text Jan 06 17:22:20 so mojo+service Jan 06 17:22:28 yeah Jan 06 17:22:59 is there any way other than SDL to do graphics on the pre? Jan 06 17:23:12 or would I be limited to basically showing plain text Jan 06 17:23:21 unless I felt like porting it to SDL, lol Jan 06 17:23:39 I think SDL and Mojo are the only ways to do it within Luna/cards Jan 06 17:23:45 * nt4cats can confirm that you can get the MojoSDK running on 64-bit Fedora 12 with VirtualBox 3.1 Jan 06 17:23:59 It is a pain in the ass, but it can be done. Jan 06 17:25:01 it doesn't need to be in a card... but in a card is probably the only option isn't it Jan 06 17:25:25 (at least I have the emulator and novacom running -- I haven't tried to use it yet -- I should do that before I delcare success) Jan 06 17:27:32 Good afternoon all. Quick question. Is there any concern if I accidently forget to put the "/" at the end of "mount -o remount,rw"? A lot of stuff I didn't understand came up when I did that. Jan 06 17:27:53 Ron001: no harm done Jan 06 17:28:10 thanks Jan 06 17:28:13 oh, wait Jan 06 17:28:19 Ron: let me reconsider that Jan 06 17:28:24 ok Jan 06 17:28:29 Ron: you may have just remounted all of your mounts in rw mode Jan 06 17:28:40 a reboot should fix it though right? Jan 06 17:28:44 Ron: no, you would have needed to provide -a to do that Jan 06 17:29:01 mount -a remount,ro ? Jan 06 17:29:03 if there was anything bad done, a reboot should fix the mounts though right? Jan 06 17:29:07 ron: no matter what a reboot will 'fix' it (although I don't think you actually harmed anything) Jan 06 17:29:43 reboot it is then. Thank you. Jan 06 17:29:56 if you want to be on the safe side Jan 06 17:30:04 mikewx: 1.3.5.1 patches the calendar app, so you should be good. Jan 06 17:30:22 I agree with nt4cats, I don't think it actually did anything except for maybe spit out a whole bunch of errors, lol Jan 06 17:30:46 cook thanks. i have to go through a rebuildwhen i get my new pre anyway, not looking to do 2 in 1 week Jan 06 17:30:52 I'm firing up a VM and trying it Jan 06 17:30:59 * mikewx 's pre now gets random static when talkign to people Jan 06 17:31:17 doesn't dev mode put the system in read/write mode? Jan 06 17:31:24 egaudet_work: what event in sdl is the gesture area tap Jan 06 17:31:30 Isn't palm supposed to release new firmware at CES or sometihng? Jan 06 17:31:32 mouse button is main screen area Jan 06 17:31:32 *something Jan 06 17:31:35 but what is gesture area Jan 06 17:32:08 cryptk: you might be able to do to like directfb but I think you'll need to shutdown luna for that, so that wouldn't be ideal Jan 06 17:32:19 PuffTheMagic: keyboard tap code 231 Jan 06 17:32:25 PuffTheMagic, keyboard key 231 I think Jan 06 17:32:28 err keyboard key event Jan 06 17:32:31 nt4cats: I'll hold on to see what you find. Jan 06 17:32:38 ginx... knock on wood, lol Jan 06 17:32:43 :p Jan 06 17:32:49 so like... Jan 06 17:32:51 doing "mount -o remount,ro" (no quotes) as root on a linux box spits out an error message from mount that includes a 'usage' dump (much like I expected) Jan 06 17:32:54 keys[231] Jan 06 17:32:55 ? Jan 06 17:33:01 what is "keys"? Jan 06 17:33:01 PuffTheMagic: Can someone give me a bit of information on how to get started with key bindings...We can use doom as a example... Jan 06 17:33:27 keys = SDL_GetKeyState(NULL); Jan 06 17:33:30 keys = SDL_GetKeyState(NULL); Jan 06 17:33:44 nt4cats, so it did nothing then Jan 06 17:34:01 Ron001: it appears so, yes. Jan 06 17:34:09 PuffTheMagic: where do I add those bindings...? Jan 06 17:34:12 egaudet_work, direct framebuffer could work, except for the fact that the phone would be left purely as an LCD display at that point... no phone... so wouldn't really work Jan 06 17:34:14 nt4cats, good, thankss again Jan 06 17:34:29 navinag-work: huh? Jan 06 17:35:04 welp, guess conky is out the window Jan 06 17:35:10 time for my other port idea Jan 06 17:35:12 navinag-work: in your event loop is where you usually process key events Jan 06 17:35:30 PuffTheMagic: how do I get started with key bindings....where do I edit/add them? ie for doom///I am just trying to understand the flow Jan 06 17:35:31 cryptk: you still have access to all html Jan 06 17:35:54 egaudet_work, what are you getting at? Jan 06 17:35:57 PuffTheMagic: so that would be in the source code... be fore compiling right? Jan 06 17:35:58 you don't need to stick to mojo widgets, do a fullscreen mojo app with custom html and make it look however you like it. You could "mimic" conky rather than port conky Jan 06 17:36:11 navinag-work: yeah Jan 06 17:36:18 Rick-home: I think I'm going to try to port a few apps or make that OpenGL demo, but generally speaking I want to avoid the upstart launchers. Not only does it require the upstart service but it looks like the headless app may be continuing to consume resources, and basically, if we ever want to do a splash screen etc we can always switch. As I show in the porting doom example, the type=game appinfo is really simple Jan 06 17:36:28 part of the point of it though is how conky does configurations Jan 06 17:36:32 makes it customizable Jan 06 17:36:43 PuffTheMagic: where is that located for doom...is it usually embedded somewhere or is it a specific type of file....? Jan 06 17:36:54 navinag-work: i havent worked on doom Jan 06 17:36:55 idk Jan 06 17:36:59 wow Jan 06 17:37:09 navinag-work: if you dont know C i wouldnt bother messing Jan 06 17:37:30 PuffTheMagic: I don't know how long does keystate stay? Jan 06 17:37:38 You can get the events fro SDL_Event if you are polling Jan 06 17:37:41 egaudet_work, wheck out this pastebin http://webos.pastebin.com/m6c797748 Jan 06 17:37:48 PuffTheMagic: I have had some classes but have not used it in a while as my current job brought me away from programming in the last 10 years Jan 06 17:37:52 that is a conky configuration file, that is the real power of conky Jan 06 17:38:12 an HTML look-alike would not be configurable like that... it would be... basically static Jan 06 17:38:25 the data in the page can change yes, but everyone would get the same data Jan 06 17:38:44 unless I wrote some serious javascript to parse a configuration file Jan 06 17:38:45 PuffTheMagic: i dont think the "bicycle" is that different these days....I just need to learn how to balance again... Jan 06 17:39:04 cryptk: if you had the conky command-line as backend service, that config stuff would work? Then the html dynamically displaying whatever it needs to based on what it got from service Jan 06 17:39:25 egaudet_work: i got gesture area shooting now :D Jan 06 17:39:30 nice Jan 06 17:39:32 just need to get accel working Jan 06 17:39:32 PuffTheMagic: who did doom....perhaps he can point me in the right direction....One I see how its done I will have an idea what to look for Jan 06 17:40:32 lemme try something real fast Jan 06 17:40:47 PuffTheMagic: init the joystick and then in your SDL poll you'll get the joystick events Jan 06 17:41:07 i did that and it didnt work but i will try again Jan 06 17:43:05 PuffTheMagic: oh yea open the joystick Jan 06 17:43:11 i did Jan 06 17:43:34 Hey there is a game missing from the SDL games list on wikipedia.. its called OpenJazz and its an open source version of Jazz Jack Rabbit.. just mentioning in case anyone is interested Jan 06 17:44:01 egaudet_work: invaders takes a few secs to start like supertux Jan 06 17:45:51 yea we'll have to optimize these things down the line Jan 06 17:46:21 but the joystick should just be init it, open it (joystick num 0), and then just work I believe Jan 06 17:52:12 lol Jan 06 17:52:19 i might have been adding the joystick shit to the wrong game Jan 06 17:52:20 :D Jan 06 17:52:23 too many files open Jan 06 17:52:49 Bah...leave it in. Jan 06 17:52:56 Who says tetris doesn't need a joystick? Jan 06 17:55:07 haha Jan 06 17:55:42 so is there a service call to change the accel frequency now? Jan 06 17:56:59 oh, cool supertuxes save files and stuff are in scheme Jan 06 17:57:02 didnt know that Jan 06 17:57:31 egaudet_work: do u know how to do get gestures in sdl? Jan 06 17:57:45 gesture back and forward come in as key events too Jan 06 17:58:29 i mean screen area gestures Jan 06 17:58:30 gesture back comes in as esc key Jan 06 17:58:45 oh does SDL have that? Jan 06 17:58:48 idk Jan 06 17:58:49 im asking Jan 06 17:58:58 or do we have to use it as a mouse location change Jan 06 17:59:00 I don't know either, I assume not Jan 06 17:59:10 I think you just get mouse data, mouse down, mouse motion, mouseup Jan 06 18:00:40 if we could only build SDL maybe we could patch it to calculate/send gestures :p But yea I think we probably have to do that in the app ourselves Jan 06 18:03:19 ok im gettng joy events now Jan 06 18:03:23 now to put them to use properly Jan 06 18:05:33 lol Jan 06 18:05:37 pre just crashed Jan 06 18:05:40 so... VBA says that it is GNU... but I can't find the source anywhere... Jan 06 18:06:25 nope just luna did Jan 06 18:06:50 ooh crashing luna Jan 06 18:07:17 cryptk: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vba/ Jan 06 18:07:51 there's also vba-M as a new fork in another sourceforge page but I don't know how stable it is Jan 06 18:07:52 you posted it right as I saw the tiny little font on his downloads page, lol Jan 06 18:12:26 wow... I can't even get VBA to build right on my desktop... not even gonna try cross-compiling... Jan 06 18:13:54 I've uncommented "PermitRootLogin yes" in /opt/etc/openssh/sshd_config, yet I still can't log in as a root. Jan 06 18:15:14 alkos333: do you have a root password? Jan 06 18:15:39 gkatsev: Yes, I do Jan 06 18:15:51 alkos333: did you restart sshd ? Jan 06 18:16:06 why do you want root login Jan 06 18:16:36 invaders is about ready Jan 06 18:16:42 in Preware within the hour Jan 06 18:16:43 :D Jan 06 18:17:15 PuffTheMagic: joystick smooth? Jan 06 18:17:36 egaudet_work: you cant see /media/cryptofs with non root user, but then you have sudo su... Jan 06 18:17:44 you sure you're not on dropbear Jan 06 18:17:45 jacques: Well, I've rebooted Palm, so that should have done it. Jan 06 18:17:46 egaudet_work: yeah for the most part Jan 06 18:17:47 ssh as root with key Jan 06 18:17:51 no root login Jan 06 18:18:06 egaudet_work: i am playing with some tranforms for the raw value into a velocity for the thing that you control Jan 06 18:18:12 egaudet_work: is it possible to edit keybindings for the SDL apps once installed? Jan 06 18:18:16 egaudet: Eventually I'll use the ssh keys, but it's to rsync the music to /media/internal easily Jan 06 18:18:36 egaudet_work: ^ Jan 06 18:18:41 How is password login easier than ssh key? Jan 06 18:18:46 doom conrtols suck cock Jan 06 18:19:00 gkatsev: I don't know Jan 06 18:19:19 I think it's app specific Jan 06 18:19:31 egaudet_work: It's not - just want to get it to work now since it didn't right away Jan 06 18:19:36 egaudet_work: where are these stored in supertux, for example? Jan 06 18:19:56 gkatsev: in the /.supertux/config file Jan 06 18:20:39 novacom put file:///home/root/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jan 06 18:20:43 done and done alkos333 ^^ Jan 06 18:20:44 alkos333: if in /etc/fstab you change the premisions for /media/internal to be accessible via regular use, you wont need root to copy stuff there either Jan 06 18:20:49 err sorry Jan 06 18:20:55 novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jan 06 18:21:36 egaudet_work: where the saves and level files are? Jan 06 18:21:36 gkatsev: Good point.. that's the way I had my ipod partition set up on my system not so long ago.. I should do that instead. Jan 06 18:21:47 gkatsev: Thanks! Jan 06 18:21:51 but keys are safer anyway Jan 06 18:22:04 so, you should do both :) Jan 06 18:22:14 egaudet_work: Yes, I know how to set that stuff up - I have my pub key on the university's server .. Jan 06 18:22:15 gkatsev: yea all game saves are in .supertux/ Jan 06 18:22:19 gkatsev: True Jan 06 18:22:35 gkatsev: That's the plan. Initially I was gonna do a root + ssh key, now I won't have to. Jan 06 18:22:46 I already use a key for the reg use login. Jan 06 18:22:47 egaudet_work: for some reason im not seeing a config file there Jan 06 18:22:54 gkatsev: launch the game once Jan 06 18:23:03 i have, let me try again Jan 06 18:23:05 PuffTheMagic: so I am looking at events.h for doom...how do you know what the keys numbers map to? Jan 06 18:23:21 navinag-work: dude you need to look at the SDL docs Jan 06 18:24:13 PuffTheMagic: ok...i will start there Jan 06 18:24:44 hmm gkatsev intereseting I don't see config either Jan 06 18:24:58 egaudet_work: weird, i started it up now and there it is, the config file Jan 06 18:25:11 i must say, i love that the config files are written in scheme Jan 06 18:26:14 egaudet_work: are the keycodes standard? Jan 06 18:26:57 what do you mean? Jan 06 18:27:25 I think they should be, you can see what they are in SDL_keymap.h Jan 06 18:27:44 sorry SDL_keysym.h Jan 06 18:27:56 ok Jan 06 18:30:55 hey fellas Jan 06 18:30:55 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/atandt-launching-webos-device/ (??) Jan 06 18:30:58 everyone saw this right? Jan 06 18:31:00 http://recombu.com/news/parrot-ardrone-iphone-controlled-helicopter-leaves-us-speechless_M11288.html Jan 06 18:31:06 can we have a palm pre version pls? Jan 06 18:31:08 ^_^ Jan 06 18:31:32 sweet, editing the save file is fun Jan 06 18:33:50 morning Jan 06 18:34:02 morning destinal-pre Jan 06 18:34:19 morning Jan 06 18:34:30 not gonna lie Mousey that is pretty awesome Jan 06 18:34:35 shall i port tuxpaint? Jan 06 18:34:47 egaudet: i KNOW RITE? Jan 06 18:34:56 s/egaudet/egaudet_work/ Jan 06 18:34:56 Mousey meant: egaudet_work: i KNOW RITE? Jan 06 18:34:57 jacques: I probably should have added the "edit the cd" bit Jan 06 18:35:09 destinal-pre: morning. got anything working for dosbox? lol Jan 06 18:35:10 in the wiki article Jan 06 18:35:15 is there no way to view the download count in the new 1.3.5 app catalog now? last i tried the patch didn't seem to do anything Jan 06 18:35:34 gkatsev: sure, I tried a quickport and got ability to paint on the screen, but none of the buttons were visible Jan 06 18:35:58 gkatsev: not yet,life is busy. haven't gotten to debug crashes yet Jan 06 18:36:25 egaudet_work: for tuxpaint? Jan 06 18:36:33 yea Jan 06 18:36:42 cool Jan 06 18:37:04 all the buttons on the sides came out as black strips so I couldn't see what i was slecting, but the painting on the main canvas was working Jan 06 18:38:51 destinal-pre: well it would help packaging newbies like me :-) Jan 06 18:39:12 I have seen black artifacts in the sdl test apps Jan 06 18:39:30 think is bug in implementation Jan 06 18:39:42 of lib Jan 06 18:40:20 ouch Jan 06 18:42:39 check sprite test app in sdl Jan 06 18:42:44 we need piranha headers :( Jan 06 18:43:23 not so much Jan 06 18:43:32 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/live-from-atandts-developer-summit/ Jan 06 18:43:34 would be nice for npapi tho Jan 06 18:43:38 webos on AT&T now Jan 06 18:43:47 well if we got them we could build sdl Jan 06 18:44:04 and then we could also patch any potential bugs, like the SDL_GL_GetAttribute bug Jan 06 18:44:19 10:34am Jan 06 18:45:16 are there any on going projects for a zsnes port to webOS? I'd like to contribute. Jan 06 18:51:10 has anyone gotten ares to work with git? Jan 06 18:52:31 Youknowutimean: I think someone was.. Jan 06 18:56:01 Palm Eos Jan 06 18:58:03 Robi_: ? Jan 06 18:58:51 CES going on now trying to catch which two new WebOS devices ATT will be using Jan 06 18:59:12 according to engadget, AT&T isn't saying Jan 06 18:59:59 Robi_: i'm gonna guess pre and pixi Jan 06 19:01:15 yeah I guess its going to be the pre and pixi too Jan 06 19:01:23 those aren't new Jan 06 19:01:34 new to AT&T Jan 06 19:01:34 since verizon has pre and pixi plus, I bet at&t is getting pre and pixi doubleplusgood Jan 06 19:01:41 sure thay are, why the pixi is >4 months old! Jan 06 19:02:37 This is just great news for Palm. Jan 06 19:03:08 AT&T will get the palm and pixi per usual minus the service to actually use them Jan 06 19:03:19 great news for palm would be a WebOS version of that AR.Drone flyer thing Jan 06 19:03:20 You can't gain traction on Sprint unless you have HUGE money to throw at marketing...you're invisible to the vast majority of potential customers. Jan 06 19:03:39 which is too bad, cuz sprint's data network is great win Jan 06 19:03:48 Yes. Jan 06 19:04:27 Given a choice between the Pre with Sprint, AT&T and Verizon, it's a no brainer unless you simply can't get Sprint in your area. Jan 06 19:04:46 Less expensive + better network = win. Jan 06 19:08:08 At any rate...WebOS doesn't really shine until you've got the phone in your hands and can play with it. Jan 06 19:08:59 Wow if you changed four letters that would be a really funny statement. Jan 06 19:09:31 lol Jan 06 19:09:35 I'm afraid to ask. Jan 06 19:09:59 It's better if you don't. Jan 06 19:13:10 with ird, its always better not to ask. Jan 06 19:16:25 so I am working on VBA and I am getting some weird errors when trying to 'make' Jan 06 19:16:35 it mainly just seems like errors from out of date code... Jan 06 19:16:58 such as "gbDis.cpp:133: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’" about 30-40 times Jan 06 19:20:57 time to do some updating... Jan 06 19:23:49 warning is not error Jan 06 19:24:31 unless -Werror is on, in which case you can shut it off to see where it goes Jan 06 19:24:36 egaudet_work: I hate warnings. :) Jan 06 19:24:36 egaudet_work: got your pre handy? Jan 06 19:24:41 PuffTheMagic: yea Jan 06 19:24:58 xcomp: me too, I like -Wall -Werror, but for quick SDL porting we can forget about it :P Jan 06 19:25:03 egaudet_work: they often point to a bug lurking somewhere Jan 06 19:25:09 until one of the warnings is really something to pay attention to and we get burned by it Jan 06 19:25:21 but yeah, in this case it's pretty unavoidable Jan 06 19:25:37 cross-platform porting can be nasty with type conversions Jan 06 19:25:40 indeed, but there are some other errors that are keeping it from building... I am trying to get it to build on my desktop before I play with cross compilation Jan 06 19:25:59 forget your desktop :P, jump right in! Jan 06 19:25:59 this isn't even cross-compiling... just trying to get it to build on my desktop, lol Jan 06 19:26:12 I want to start with something that I at least know builds Jan 06 19:26:19 btw, what was the fix for the segfaults on quake? Jan 06 19:27:13 btw: the Pre has an ARM CPU? Jan 06 19:27:35 MetaView: TI OMAP 3430 which has an ARM Cortex A8 core Jan 06 19:27:39 MetaView, yes, it has an ARM Jan 06 19:27:59 * xcomp works at TI :D Jan 06 19:28:04 I remember that I found sometimes unaligned memory access in x86 code which lead to crashs on ARM (at least in the old Palm OS) Jan 06 19:28:16 like dword read from uneven byte address Jan 06 19:28:53 MetaView: unaligned memory access is always a bad thing to do imo Jan 06 19:28:58 looks like ((u32*)ptr)[0] where ptr was a char* before and uneven after some increases Jan 06 19:29:00 whether you can get away with it or not Jan 06 19:29:02 that's just bad form Jan 06 19:29:20 yes, but x86 has only speed penalties, no crash Jan 06 19:29:24 ARM does crash Jan 06 19:29:39 yeah, arm code will definitely throw an exception if you try that ish Jan 06 19:29:45 I know that from experience Jan 06 19:29:50 it is, but when doing a port you don't want to rewrite everything :) Jan 06 19:30:17 error: invalid conversion from ‘const char*’ to ‘char*’ Jan 06 19:30:39 cryptk: yeah, that's illegal Jan 06 19:30:47 yep Jan 06 19:30:53 here is the line that is throwing it Jan 06 19:30:54 p = addStr(p, registers[(opcode >> shift) & 7]); Jan 06 19:31:19 cryptk: cast it Jan 06 19:31:21 (const char *) Jan 06 19:31:42 rather (char *) Jan 06 19:31:50 but it will probably not help much Jan 06 19:32:01 remove the const if possible Jan 06 19:32:30 thing is, this isn't my code, so I am having to look all around to find problems... Jan 06 19:32:50 where is addStr defined? could you just make the function argument const? Jan 06 19:33:08 cryptk: yes, it's the problem always Jan 06 19:33:08 other part is I am not that great with code, lol Jan 06 19:33:18 I am doing this as kind of a learning experience Jan 06 19:33:21 good thing to learn :) Jan 06 19:33:44 there are 4 seperate lines throwing that same error, lol Jan 06 19:34:58 arm kernel can be runtime configured as to how it handles alignment errors Jan 06 19:35:31 hi guys Jan 06 19:35:40 jacques: you mean the linux kernel? Jan 06 19:35:46 great news.... Jan 06 19:35:58 xcomp: yes Jan 06 19:35:59 great news ? Jan 06 19:36:01 you just saved a bunch of money by switching to geico? Jan 06 19:36:13 better Jan 06 19:36:14 howdy rboatright Jan 06 19:36:30 found addStr Jan 06 19:36:39 static char *addStr(char *p, char *s) Jan 06 19:36:43 did you make it to Las Vegas safely ? Jan 06 19:36:55 which argument was const char *? Jan 06 19:36:56 correct me if I am wrong, shouldn't that be "static const char *addStr(char *p, char *s)" Jan 06 19:37:04 sprint is coughing up for a new server for wbos_internals! Jan 06 19:37:13 rboatright: whoa - are you serious ? Jan 06 19:37:15 wait... what??? Jan 06 19:37:23 made it to kci airport safely Jan 06 19:37:25 well, that is amazing Jan 06 19:37:27 I mean, it would be a smart move kinda Jan 06 19:37:29 one argument might be cont char* Jan 06 19:37:32 serious. Jan 06 19:37:35 but I wanna see it in black and white Jan 06 19:37:35 cryptk: no, i don't think so .. i think one of the parameters you have passing in is const char * .. Jan 06 19:37:36 has to be declared as... Jan 06 19:37:39 cryptk try "static char* addStr(char *p, const char* s);" Jan 06 19:38:01 a cell provider donating a server for phone hackers to play with Jan 06 19:38:10 looking at the function, that actually kinda makes sense coles Jan 06 19:38:12 lemme try it Jan 06 19:38:16 hell freezes over Jan 06 19:38:18 just got confirmation. Jan 06 19:38:34 then show the confirmation Jan 06 19:38:36 rboatright: impressive! Jan 06 19:38:36 * jacques faints dead away. Jan 06 19:38:44 christ on a bike Jan 06 19:38:46 talk walks but paper sticks Jan 06 19:38:49 xcomp yep. take THAT att apple fanboys! Jan 06 19:38:53 when do they paypal the money to rwhitby? :P Jan 06 19:39:18 Thank you Sprint! Jan 06 19:39:48 cryptk will go up on sprints corp charity sight end of month. Jan 06 19:39:55 awesome sprint :D they arent all bad. Jan 06 19:40:18 sending money to osuosl foundation..... our hosting co. Jan 06 19:40:24 coles, that got rid of the one error, but now I have an error in a different file... Jan 06 19:40:25 nice Jan 06 19:40:28 lemme look at that code Jan 06 19:41:41 prof.cpp:269: error: cast from ‘char*’ to ‘u32’ loses precision Jan 06 19:41:50 profWrite32(fd, (u32)tos[toindex].selfpc) || Jan 06 19:42:15 cryptic, what program? Jan 06 19:42:18 VBA Jan 06 19:42:33 cryptk: are you compiling with the -Werror flag? Jan 06 19:42:48 sounds like that should be a warning rather than an error Jan 06 19:43:02 cryptk: should be only a warning or you are in 64bit mode Jan 06 19:43:14 ok I need to get my build environment in order so I can get around to porting evas-sdl to the pre Jan 06 19:43:14 I am 64 bit... DUH! Jan 06 19:43:15 lol Jan 06 19:43:18 char * to u32 is not loosing anything Jan 06 19:43:24 well, then... Jan 06 19:43:24 yep Jan 06 19:43:27 you guys are right Jan 06 19:43:31 I am 64 bit Jan 06 19:43:45 you better try it with 32bit Jan 06 19:44:26 or forget sdl ... evas on the fb straight up would be even better Jan 06 19:45:11 i don't know what the mechanism is that allows for SDL apps to run inside of a card ... Jan 06 19:45:19 and that is what we should try to maintain Jan 06 19:45:37 rick: awesome re sprint Jan 06 19:45:39 is it a lower level driver that allows that ? Jan 06 19:45:41 MetaView, is there somewhere in the makefile I can specify that? Jan 06 19:46:08 bpadalino|work: i thought it was a fb-card mechanism, and sdl actually wrote to the framebuffer? Jan 06 19:46:24 something like CC="gcc m32" Jan 06 19:46:29 would that work? Jan 06 19:46:29 xcomp, i have no idea .. Jan 06 19:46:56 back Jan 06 19:46:57 cryptk: -m32 Jan 06 19:47:01 laptop out Jan 06 19:47:01 cryptk: yes Jan 06 19:47:08 cross compile for 32 bit Jan 06 19:47:23 did you all see the news that att announced 2 webos devices in first 1/2 of 2010? Jan 06 19:47:35 Rick_work: no i didn't .. they did ? Jan 06 19:47:50 precentral homebpage via engadeget at attdevcon Jan 06 19:47:51 ah, just got there in my reader Jan 06 19:47:58 1 hour ago posted Jan 06 19:48:09 very nice Jan 06 19:48:20 first half sounds like june 6th again Jan 06 19:48:22 heh Jan 06 19:48:28 anyone have issues with the "answer circle" freaking out when trying to answer a call? Jan 06 19:49:18 and laggy number pad Jan 06 19:51:06 oh arg. Hate it when wifi drops. Jan 06 19:53:07 Whats up guys? A friend of mine forgot to remove his theme before running EPR what are his options to fix his phone? Jan 06 19:53:36 HUH Jan 06 19:53:46 i hate themes. Jan 06 19:53:54 palm needs an official theming api. Jan 06 19:54:13 buuf is very nice. Jan 06 19:54:20 yea themes are like evil :p Jan 06 19:54:24 has webos repair utility been updated to 135 yet? Jan 06 19:54:29 there are very few themes that are actually worth using Jan 06 19:54:50 you know how is says in big letter remove theme before EPR well i guess he didnt see that LOL........any thing to do besides doctor? Jan 06 19:54:54 I was surprised that the webosdoctor 1.3.5 didn't clean my internal drive Jan 06 19:54:59 it's new or? Jan 06 19:55:08 it's new metaview Jan 06 19:55:10 AFAIK most current themes should be patch compatible but I don't know, you can TRY to remove it via preware Jan 06 19:55:17 MetaView: since 1.3.1 Jan 06 19:55:36 webos REPAIR UTILITY and he can do a file-by-file ok on only the files that the theme modified. Jan 06 19:55:37 something to put a backup on Jan 06 19:55:40 ok, wtf.... "./configure CC="gcc -m32" returns an error... "configure: error: *** Cannot compile without zlib" Jan 06 19:55:44 I have zlib though Jan 06 19:55:49 destinal-away: i got dosbox to work but runs like shit Jan 06 19:55:55 do I need a 32 bit zlib or something? Jan 06 19:56:01 check config.log Jan 06 19:56:14 fyi all best dos game ever was miniwar Jan 06 19:56:19 cryptk: your not at work? Jan 06 19:56:23 :) Jan 06 19:56:31 Jack87|Work: is it slow? Jan 06 19:56:42 or should I just try and build it in sb2 already Jan 06 19:56:45 not at work, no Jan 06 19:56:47 lol Jan 06 19:56:54 MetaView: slow and laggy when quake is running normal dos windows is fine Jan 06 19:57:07 cryptk: for a change i am at work haha Jan 06 19:57:10 hahaha Jan 06 19:57:14 btw, how to get sb2? Jan 06 19:57:18 that is ebcause you have a normal schedule Jan 06 19:57:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ScratchBox2_cross_compiling_with_SDL Jan 06 19:57:32 xcomp: there is a cross-compile.git on the webos-internals git repo Jan 06 19:57:38 cryptk: haha considering i was up all night with you i wouldnt quit call it normal ;) Jan 06 19:57:43 hahaha Jan 06 19:57:47 bpadalino|work: thanks Jan 06 19:57:49 that sounded sooooo wrong..... Jan 06 19:58:03 just a little Jan 06 19:58:04 you really shoulda thought that one out, lol Jan 06 19:58:30 Jack87|Work: sure, quake is not the right for dosbox Jan 06 19:58:37 cryptk: how is that project coming. Jan 06 19:58:42 cryptk: you need 32-bit version of all the dependencies Jan 06 19:58:48 try warcraft Jan 06 19:59:02 yeah, that is why I think I am just gonna try compiling it in sb2... Jan 06 19:59:17 who has ever played mini war Jan 06 19:59:20 cryptk: it'sworth a shot Jan 06 19:59:33 if we can do network mini war it will be the best webos port ever! Jan 06 20:00:17 nope, so compule in sb2 either... time to fins a 32 bit zlib I guess Jan 06 20:01:18 s/so compule/no compile/ Jan 06 20:01:18 cryptk meant: nope, no compile in sb2 either... time to fins a 32 bit zlib I guess Jan 06 20:01:18 http://cyberaxe.co.uk/mini-war/ its actually 4 player Jan 06 20:01:22 brb Jan 06 20:01:29 2-4 Jan 06 20:03:05 PuffTheMagic: what's the status Jan 06 20:03:43 back Jan 06 20:03:52 having issues with the main scene Jan 06 20:04:02 where u choose play/quit/help/etc Jan 06 20:04:05 jack87|Work: If you get dosbox working so I can play Tie Fighter on my pre, I will officially declare you the coolest person ever. Jan 06 20:04:14 i wanted to tap screen to toggle Jan 06 20:04:20 but its going crazy Jan 06 20:04:39 PuffTheMagic: is it scrolling crazy because of joystick? Jan 06 20:04:48 idontwan2know: ya not going to happen with me... i am not a coder well yet at-least lol Jan 06 20:05:21 PuffTheMagic: what are you working on? Jan 06 20:05:38 egaudet_work: no its a mouse press Jan 06 20:05:48 but something in the game is wonky Jan 06 20:06:01 it's not accepting the mouse press or Jan 06 20:07:37 im getting way pre presses that i would expect Jan 06 20:07:44 or its reacting to the pre in a weird way Jan 06 20:08:50 ok, so I have it so it isn't complaining about zlib anymore when I configure in the desktop... through sb2 it still yells at me though... Jan 06 20:09:03 debug printout of how much time has elapsed between button down and button up ? Jan 06 20:11:30 and even with "./configure CC="gcc -m32"" I am still getting yells at about the cast from char* to u32 losing precision Jan 06 20:13:12 http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/BuildingDOSBox#3._Compiling_environment Jan 06 20:13:21 bpadalino|work: im getting stuck in a loop and repeating the event Jan 06 20:13:24 or something like that Jan 06 20:13:26 ah Jan 06 20:13:30 yay i got it now Jan 06 20:13:31 all good Jan 06 20:13:32 :D Jan 06 20:13:35 congrats Jan 06 20:13:53 tagging Jan 06 20:13:54 :D Jan 06 20:15:20 shit Jan 06 20:15:24 read error on the repo Jan 06 20:16:10 i didnt push to gitosis admin Jan 06 20:16:13 :D Jan 06 20:16:25 * jack87|Work apointment is here Jan 06 20:16:42 invaders will be in preware next autobuild Jan 06 20:17:39 oops Jan 06 20:17:40 oh shit Jan 06 20:19:19 * Rick-work doesn't like it when PuffTheMagic says oh shit. Scares me Jan 06 20:20:07 forgot the binary Jan 06 20:20:10 and missed the build Jan 06 20:20:15 cause i had to retag shit Jan 06 20:22:03 ok... I have tried every flag I can think of... every option, and I can't get rid of this prof.cpp:269: error: cast from ‘char*’ to ‘u32’ loses precision error Jan 06 20:22:52 I have manually specified gcc -m32, I have specified my 32bit library directory, I have even set an environment variable and did make -e Jan 06 20:22:58 it doesn't go away, lol Jan 06 20:23:19 why are u casting it? Jan 06 20:23:32 cryptk: pastebin the line Jan 06 20:23:35 it's writing a pointer as 32 bit value Jan 06 20:23:45 the line is a bit up here Jan 06 20:23:53 putValue32 or something Jan 06 20:24:08 pastebin the output of the build Jan 06 20:24:18 [20:41] cryptk: profWrite32(fd, (u32)tos[toindex].selfpc) || Jan 06 20:24:18 including the context around it that shows the command Jan 06 20:24:51 of the make? Jan 06 20:24:56 yea Jan 06 20:24:58 ok, one sec Jan 06 20:25:29 you might create a profWrite64 function... Jan 06 20:25:34 what is tos? Jan 06 20:25:50 what type Jan 06 20:25:51 "prof.cpp: In function ‘void profCleanup()’:" "prof.cpp:269: error: cast from ‘char*’ to ‘u32’ loses precision" Jan 06 20:25:56 those are both at the end Jan 06 20:25:57 this is quite a funny exercise Jan 06 20:26:13 that is the only error in the make Jan 06 20:26:23 lemme pastebin some lines around 269 from prof.cpp Jan 06 20:26:32 paste the whole file Jan 06 20:26:36 ok Jan 06 20:26:52 egaudet_work: u ready? Jan 06 20:26:57 for Classic Invaders Jan 06 20:27:12 http://webos.pastebin.com/m546a6baf Jan 06 20:30:11 yeah make a profWrite64 Jan 06 20:30:34 PuffTheMagic: is it in preware? I can't play till after work Jan 06 20:30:53 egaudet_work: should be next build Jan 06 20:30:57 last one was 12 min ago Jan 06 20:31:11 cryptk: paste your make output Jan 06 20:31:27 We need to see the typedef for u32 too Jan 06 20:32:04 u32 has less bits than char*, which could indicate a 64-bit build casting to a 32-bit u32. Jan 06 20:32:15 * MetaView is going from 8.04 to 9.10 Jan 06 20:33:21 make output http://webos.pastebin.com/m1e6d9eed Jan 06 20:34:05 I know the problem is because it is written for 32 bit and I am 64 bit... but no matter what arguments I specify I can't get it to compile in 32 bit mode Jan 06 20:34:08 i bet invaders dont build on rwhitby's setup Jan 06 20:34:11 i bet its missing boost Jan 06 20:34:37 ahh it built Jan 06 20:34:37 is there an ssh client for the pre yet? Jan 06 20:34:39 its in preware Jan 06 20:34:46 sync your feeds! Jan 06 20:35:59 oil: just in time to install space invaders Jan 06 20:37:17 damn i must have messed up the event.d file Jan 06 20:37:20 cup0spam: install terminal and optware Jan 06 20:38:10 yup sure did Jan 06 20:38:25 installing Classic Invaders now Jan 06 20:38:49 Puff .tos "the operating system" atari operatring system files. Jan 06 20:39:18 PuffTheMagic generally it's a disk image file. Jan 06 20:39:26 * Rick-work 's google foo is mighty. Jan 06 20:39:44 cryptk: you need to use -m32 Jan 06 20:39:58 cup0spam there's been a ssh client for the pre since oh, July. Jan 06 20:40:24 one with a gui or at least a menu system? Jan 06 20:40:29 where i can save hosts Jan 06 20:40:36 cup0spam if you mean a MOJO ssh client, with a gui and a menu system, no. Jan 06 20:40:43 but you can save hosts in terminal. Jan 06 20:40:44 egaudet_work, that is the thing... I AM using -m32 Jan 06 20:40:46 * oil waits for space invaders in preware Jan 06 20:40:50 cryptk: no you aren't Jan 06 20:40:51 oil: it is Jan 06 20:40:54 but it dont launch Jan 06 20:41:01 wait for 1.0.0-1 Jan 06 20:41:02 you see line 172 is your g++ command and there is NO -m32 Jan 06 20:41:04 i fixed the upstart Jan 06 20:41:05 Hello, do you guys notice the pre does not go to sleep for long periods of time, it actually wakes up every 3 seconds or so Jan 06 20:41:11 ./configure CC="gcc -m32" Jan 06 20:41:21 make CC="gcc -m32" Jan 06 20:41:31 cant do that Jan 06 20:41:32 schulman yes, that's so that alarms and notifications can be checked. Jan 06 20:41:35 it's not using CC first of all Jan 06 20:41:35 cryptk: that is wrong Jan 06 20:41:47 well damn... enlighten me then, lol Jan 06 20:41:52 it's using CXX probably, whatever the one for g++ is (the c++ compiler) Jan 06 20:41:54 CFLAGS="-m32" ./configure Jan 06 20:41:57 I asked if that was the right way and you guys said yes, lol Jan 06 20:42:01 or Jan 06 20:42:03 and you want CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS I think Jan 06 20:42:03 CXXFLAGS="-m32" ./configure Jan 06 20:43:19 well, that got it through the configure without yelling... Jan 06 20:43:24 the CXXFLAGS one Jan 06 20:44:13 lets try that one more time Jan 06 20:44:39 Rick-work: Yes, that makes sense I am about to check, but I wonder how much energy this wake up every 3 seconds requires Jan 06 20:45:06 Rick-work: I assume it is not so much Jan 06 20:45:25 puffthemagic, I'm not getting a black "loading screen" for Classic Invaders Jan 06 20:45:45 schulman not so much. is your SCREEN coming on every 3 seconds schulman ??? because it shouldn't Jan 06 20:45:52 did u miss where i said i mssed up the upstart script Jan 06 20:45:56 wait a few min Jan 06 20:46:00 1.0.0-1 will be out Jan 06 20:46:12 Rick-work: No screen stays off, and actually if you go into airplane mode the 3 second checks also do not happen anymore Jan 06 20:46:36 schulman correct, again because there -are- no checks for email or messages or etc. Jan 06 20:46:44 I saw the event.d error you mentioned, I had already launched. Jan 06 20:46:45 alarm checks still happen on 1 minute intervals. Jan 06 20:46:48 Rick-work: but it should still need to check for alarams Jan 06 20:46:54 or should Jan 06 20:47:16 schulman and that -might- be 5 minute intervals. -- I don't remember Jan 06 20:48:04 Rick-work: It just seems like it may be stupid, unless the notifications include something like the phone ringing Jan 06 20:48:20 where it needs to wake up and see if the cell tower is trying to signal it Jan 06 20:48:42 schulman: what are you using to tell you that its waking up that fast? Jan 06 20:49:01 Rick-work: right now just looking at the wall messages from powerd Jan 06 20:49:17 but I am about to connect to a power measurement tool Jan 06 20:49:52 interesting .. you're really that interested in power measurement for the pre ? Jan 06 20:50:14 yes, actually I have power measurements from it Jan 06 20:50:23 ok -1 is in the feed Jan 06 20:50:25 Youknowutimsayin: update Jan 06 20:51:30 ok... I am gonna cheat and just fire up a 32 bit VM and compile it in that, lol Jan 06 20:51:35 we've got one of these: http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-35558.656338.00&cc=US&lc=eng Jan 06 20:51:40 oil: install invaders now Jan 06 20:51:41 but i haven't had the ambition to connect my phone up to it Jan 06 20:51:42 yeah I see something like 4 power spikes every 10 seconds Jan 06 20:52:04 even with the CXXFLAGS set, it was still giving errors on make Jan 06 20:52:15 this time about const char* casting again... Jan 06 20:52:40 cryptk: you should pick up a good book on C for a reference .. Jan 06 20:52:50 cryptk: remove or add a const then Jan 06 20:52:55 but the spikes are really short < 1 second Jan 06 20:53:03 I plan on reading alot about C tonight at work Jan 06 20:53:08 and 140 or 250 mW Jan 06 20:53:21 which does not seem like much to me Jan 06 20:53:33 I guess it does not wake up for too long when it wakes up Jan 06 20:53:35 error: invalid conversion from ‘const char*’ to ‘char*’ Jan 06 20:53:39 that is what it gives now Jan 06 20:53:58 what is the const char * array it is trying to pass ? Jan 06 20:54:05 Rick-work: Does that sound reasonable? Jan 06 20:54:25 sounds reasonable schulman Jan 06 20:55:07 Puffthemagic launched and plays fine. nice work Jan 06 20:55:08 cryptk: (const char *) cast it Jan 06 20:55:22 I should see what the maximum idle time is when it wakes up in this way every 3 seconds Jan 06 20:55:27 err sorry Jan 06 20:55:30 (char *) cast it Jan 06 20:56:57 morning Jan 06 20:57:03 morning rwhitby Jan 06 20:57:16 Rick-work has some exciting news for you Jan 06 20:57:27 morning rwhitby Jan 06 20:57:34 did you check email already..?????? Jan 06 20:57:58 Rick-work: yep - I need to know the publicity/confidentiality factor Jan 06 20:58:26 I asked. Don't post to blogs yet. But free to share. Jan 06 20:58:31 I forgot to ask about tweeting it. Jan 06 20:58:36 I'll go do that. Jan 06 20:58:41 I can call her. Jan 06 21:00:06 rwhitby: my friend forgot to remove his theme before running EPR and i cant get it to remove using webosqi are there any other options besides doctor right now? Jan 06 21:00:22 JMyaDaGod: webos repair utility Jan 06 21:00:26 morning rwhitby Jan 06 21:00:43 is there one for 1.3.5 yet? Jan 06 21:00:54 ATT and Palm Pre? Oh my... lol Jan 06 21:02:01 rwhitby:is there one for 1.3.5 yet? Jan 06 21:02:23 abyssul their network can't support the iPhone alone I guess they figure adding webOS phone can't make it worse. ;-) Jan 06 21:03:11 lol Jan 06 21:06:04 I need a new Pre but Sprint doesn't think my sticky aaaaaa button is an issue. Jan 06 21:06:37 or by white center button Jan 06 21:10:20 egaudet_work, I have gotta go to bed, but I will be reading up alot on C while I am at w*rk tonight... hopefully I will be able to get this thing working... Jan 06 21:10:31 thanks for all the help... you too PuffTheMagic Jan 06 21:10:44 btw, great work on invaders Jan 06 21:12:03 rwhitby: is the webos repair for 1.3.5 coming anytime soon? Jan 06 21:13:13 Anyone think Palm will release a new phone? Jan 06 21:13:43 Just weird that AT&T only said two devices, and not specifically Pre nad Pixi Jan 06 21:14:16 JMyaDaGod we don't do that. Contact Jason R Jan 06 21:14:44 * Rick-work flight delayed to 1900. Moving from gate to a comfy chair somewhere. BBIAB. Jan 06 21:14:46 It's probably just the Pre/Pixi Plus, which won't be officially announced until tomorrow. Jan 06 21:15:10 Which is why AT&T was not specific. Jan 06 21:15:15 Yea Jan 06 21:15:23 I wonder what "plus" will mean... Jan 06 21:15:35 micro-sd slot hopefully Jan 06 21:15:36 ^_^ Jan 06 21:15:44 oh I couldnt care about that Jan 06 21:15:47 * Mousey could Jan 06 21:15:50 More memory and no center button are the most solid rumors. Jan 06 21:15:55 As long if it isnt like a cpu upgrade Jan 06 21:15:59 Rick-work: so your title is not Chief Evangelist and Fund-Raiser? Jan 06 21:16:01 me too Jan 06 21:16:03 s/not/now/ Jan 06 21:16:03 rwhitby meant: Rick-work: so your title is now Chief Evangelist and Fund-Raiser? Jan 06 21:16:20 maybe dtv receiver Jan 06 21:16:22 Meh, the center button is ok. Id rather have it there just because we will be able to make it useful in the future Jan 06 21:16:26 PuffTheMagic: Classic Invaders? :D Jan 06 21:16:45 mame? Jan 06 21:17:15 XD I expect a demo of some highend game tomorrow Jan 06 21:17:45 * MetaView wanna have a 5-way controller Jan 06 21:17:53 rwhitby not unless we get the SECOND contrib we're working on, no. Jan 06 21:19:17 suruat2 need-for-speed Jan 06 21:19:39 with an ea rep. Jan 06 21:20:10 suruat2 ? Jan 06 21:20:29 oh, that's a persons nick! Jan 06 21:20:30 ha Jan 06 21:20:36 man i am out of it today Jan 06 21:21:45 me too, was up way too late Jan 06 21:21:57 I keep forgetting what I was doing Jan 06 21:22:45 what do you guys think: I am almost done with this stopwatch I am working on, its my first app, and I started on it just as practice but now i like how its coming, should I even bother subitmitting it to the catelog, it seems we have a couple of stopwatch already, what do yall think? Jan 06 21:23:31 suru Jan 06 21:23:31 go for it .. it's a simple app so support should be easy enough - but good enough to get you understanding what you are in for Jan 06 21:23:45 ditto Jan 06 21:23:45 Im interested Jan 06 21:23:58 The current stopwatches arn't visually appealing Jan 06 21:24:25 * zsoc calls his voicemail as a count-up timer Jan 06 21:24:47 zsoc: you use the timer on your phone? Jan 06 21:24:50 Abyssul: : that's exactly why I wanna send mines in it looks a little nicer than the others Jan 06 21:24:58 My biggest problem is complete lack of artistic ability. I have apps, but no icons for them. Jan 06 21:24:59 SS? Jan 06 21:25:22 Yea, app icons are very important Jan 06 21:25:35 I hate when I have awesome icons like Preware then some stupid box crap for others Jan 06 21:25:54 ya I aree Jan 06 21:26:18 is the phone app a compiled binary? I'd like to patch in the ability to either change the voicemail number or remove the voicemail button. Jan 06 21:26:48 the one I am making it has a stopwatch, a timer, with countdown capability, and you can email results. Jan 06 21:27:03 Does anyone know what the device is that "modemuart" is connected to Jan 06 21:27:22 basically, I am looking for a document that describes the binary API Jan 06 21:27:25 suruat2: Screenshot? Jan 06 21:28:04 to talk to the modem Jan 06 21:29:39 suruat2: if you want to do a really useful app, make a timezone meeting planner app. Just a list of cities and times, where you can select which cities are displayed. Then you change the time in one of the cities and all the others are updated to match. Make sure you support the GMT+13:45 timezone, and make sure you cover the date line correctly. Jan 06 21:30:12 I would love a world clock Jan 06 21:30:24 which could be a subset of the above Jan 06 21:30:26 what is the shorrtcut for screen shot again? Jan 06 21:30:35 schulman: there is no such document. the freesmartphone.org guys are working on reverse engineering that protocol. Jan 06 21:30:43 jacques: exactly Jan 06 21:30:44 orange smy orange Jan 06 21:30:45 sym* Jan 06 21:31:08 zsoc: yeah classic invaders Jan 06 21:31:20 rwhitby: can i get the classic invaders repo visible when u get a chance Jan 06 21:31:22 PuffTheMagic: classic invaders ready for announce? Jan 06 21:31:31 no need to make the wiki page for it first Jan 06 21:31:38 ok Jan 06 21:32:04 repo done Jan 06 21:35:02 yippee!!!! Jan 06 21:35:10 * Rick-work loves classic invaders. Jan 06 21:35:27 played it on an apple ][ till I killed my first joystick Jan 06 21:35:39 * Mousey is sad he lost the link in the wiki to the testing feeds Jan 06 21:35:52 google search mousey. Jan 06 21:35:59 on the wiki, the custom google search Jan 06 21:36:08 :-) Jan 06 21:36:17 totally did Jan 06 21:36:17 ok, really really bbiab. Jan 06 21:36:20 my googlefingers suck Jan 06 21:36:38 Palm stock is flucuating quite a bit lol Jan 06 21:38:50 frederic_h: are you here? Jan 06 21:38:53 my new touch monitor is BEASTT :) Jan 06 21:42:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:ClassicInvaders Jan 06 21:43:00 rwhitby: ready for announcement Jan 06 21:43:46 cute Jan 06 21:44:19 no keyboard needed :D Jan 06 21:44:25 unless typing in name for high score Jan 06 21:44:36 we gonna figure out how to add persistent scores Jan 06 21:44:41 it hink they only last for the session Jan 06 21:45:10 5 games now :) Jan 06 21:45:31 PuffTheMagic: can you change screen orientation using the accelerometer ? Jan 06 21:45:39 no Jan 06 21:45:55 How many times can the gesture area recognize a connection? It seems like somethings it doesnt recognize it when I hit it Jan 06 21:45:55 classic invaders looks great, though, firing is still being weird Jan 06 21:46:38 rapid fire in the gesture area may not be easy to do Jan 06 21:46:50 hardware issue or software? Jan 06 21:46:52 seriously Jan 06 21:47:04 there's no reference to the testing repos in the wiki that's searchable Jan 06 21:47:05 gesture area is definitely finicky Jan 06 21:47:21 ipkg.preware.org Jan 06 21:47:27 does it wait till led goes out before registering new hit? Jan 06 21:47:32 Abyssul: software i am pretty sure .. hidd i beleive Jan 06 21:47:44 gkatsev na Jan 06 21:47:59 I think it just lags because it doesnt know if its a tap or a drag? Jan 06 21:48:10 but yea, the functionality is probably embedded deeply Jan 06 21:48:21 get.preware.org is empty Jan 06 21:48:24 Abyssul: the keydown is always sent Jan 06 21:48:33 perhaps moving it from gesture to a corner of the screen will be better? Jan 06 21:48:35 and keyup i believe too Jan 06 21:48:47 keyup ftw Jan 06 21:48:54 Abyssul: make sure you tap near the button and you will be fine Jan 06 21:48:54 you guys are pro at sdl now lol Jan 06 21:49:06 it starts to loose sensitivity near the edge Jan 06 21:49:13 I do Jan 06 21:49:25 It just feels like it, I dont have any tests to prove it :) Jan 06 21:49:40 well the code is there for people to play with Jan 06 21:49:50 if you find a better solution let me know Jan 06 21:49:56 we're definitely not SDL pros .. Jan 06 21:50:07 ...YET Jan 06 21:50:49 PuffTheMagic: Just grabbed Invaders...NICE! Works great. Jan 06 21:50:57 thanks Jan 06 21:51:03 does anyone have a url to PrewareInstaller.jar? Jan 06 21:51:16 hmmm...apparently does not like to be minimized though Jan 06 21:51:18 :) Jan 06 21:51:29 wow, /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg, that's new Jan 06 21:52:09 offline root went from /var to /media/cryptofs/apps in 1.3.5 where ya been... Jan 06 21:52:34 egaudet_work: he might be Bell Jan 06 21:52:45 oh they just get 1.3.5? Jan 06 21:53:05 is 1.3.5.1 meant to fix the calendar speed? Jan 06 21:53:16 Yeah, Invaders is great. The controls work really well. The framerate isn't perfect, but its more playable than any of the games off the App Catalog. Jan 06 21:53:24 gordian: no, calendar EAS sync problem Jan 06 21:53:27 i keep hearing talk on the forums about "fixing the calendar" Jan 06 21:53:45 ahhh :( Jan 06 21:53:46 Y! calendar? Jan 06 21:53:49 Webos Internals - 5 games so far :) Jan 06 21:54:25 doom, quake, supertux, tetricrisis and classic invaders, nice! Jan 06 21:54:34 fix the calendar before you can run games Jan 06 21:54:37 where are the Preware feeds stored? Jan 06 21:54:41 the list of them Jan 06 21:54:43 seriously, the slow calendar speed is why i returned my pre Jan 06 21:54:48 schulman: ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ Jan 06 21:54:53 Yahoo was continually requesting password entry claiming I was getting it wrong. Jan 06 21:54:56 I mean on the pre Jan 06 21:55:03 Switching to new beta calendar did not resolve issue. Jan 06 21:55:05 gordian, Pre's calender is a lot faster with 1.3.5 Jan 06 21:55:10 Logging in from web did not resolve issue. Jan 06 21:55:10 schulman: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ Jan 06 21:55:24 really? Jan 06 21:55:33 maybe i'll wait until it comes to my carrier Jan 06 21:55:33 As far as I've heard Jan 06 21:55:40 Deleting all Y! accounts from Pre then deleting all Linked accounts from Y! Account info then readding it worked. Jan 06 21:55:40 It precaches now Jan 06 21:55:43 but either way i'd stop into a b&m to check it out Jan 06 21:56:18 Is Preware OK for webOS 1.3.5.1? I see it's been pulled from get.preware.org Jan 06 21:56:48 mw: yeah, should work just fine. in fact, updating for 1.3.5 to 1.3.5.1 you dont need to remove patches Jan 06 21:56:59 Thx. Jan 06 21:57:33 i did the 1.3.5 -> 1.3.5.1 without changing patches (after someone here said it was ok) and can verify in fact I haven't destroyd anything :) Jan 06 21:57:56 the installers on get.preware.org were installing old 1.3.5 incompatible package manager service which is why they were pulled I believe Jan 06 21:58:07 mw: we're working on new installers. use http://install.preware.org for the moment Jan 06 21:58:20 mikewx: u mite have heard it from me i posted that when 1.3.5.1 first came out Jan 06 21:59:18 or me, as i reported the same, lol Jan 06 21:59:33 brb Jan 06 21:59:55 i have to get my pre replaced, maybe this weekend. i didnt' want to have to rebuild it twice :) Jan 06 22:06:06 * rwhitby bbl Jan 06 22:06:32 mikewx: why do you need to replace it? Jan 06 22:07:01 having audio problems with phone calls, I get little static bursts when people are talking to me Jan 06 22:13:17 rwhitby: gotta min? Jan 06 22:13:21 heh - http://forums.precentral.net/2133188-post434.html Jan 06 22:13:39 what language did your gsm pre come with? Jan 06 22:13:41 german? Jan 06 22:13:41 so now that SDL is an adventure, does this mean i can try building freeciv-client-sdl for pre? Jan 06 22:14:28 rwhitby: and if someone has a spanish pre... what would you recommend them to do to get it working on a local gsm provider? Jan 06 22:14:43 grndslm: german Pre, multi-language Jan 06 22:14:54 Mousey: yep Jan 06 22:14:57 yea, i realized that one after i asked it Jan 06 22:15:09 grndslm: it should just work with a 3G sim Jan 06 22:15:14 rwhitby: this guy's having problems with tmobile Jan 06 22:15:17 (mine did) Jan 06 22:15:26 rwhitby: cool!! Jan 06 22:15:30 .eu bands and .us bands are different for umts Jan 06 22:15:47 and previously you couldn't activate over gsm only Jan 06 22:16:07 if the US didn't do everything differently to the rest of the world, it would "just work" ;-) Jan 06 22:16:16 well damn... Jan 06 22:16:20 so he can't even use it here? Jan 06 22:16:38 gsm sux!! :P Jan 06 22:16:54 at least "seppo" gsm Jan 06 22:22:21 grndslm Jan 06 22:22:30 thanks for help, but nothing helped since.. Jan 06 22:22:39 leaving it for the night will see how it works Jan 06 22:23:18 shrooster: yea, i really think if you leave it off for a good while it will work right Jan 06 22:23:30 not sure why it has the occasional problem :-? Jan 06 22:23:51 shall i remove the battery or leave it with? Jan 06 22:24:07 i'd take it out for good measure.... Jan 06 22:24:28 I installed that "diable auto-off while charging" patch Jan 06 22:24:39 and now my pre never seems to auto-off ever Jan 06 22:24:49 another thing i noticed, when battery is in and i plug usb nothin happens, when i remove it it starts searching for drivers Jan 06 22:24:53 has anybody else experienced this? Jan 06 22:25:03 Shrooster: and then when you put it back in a few hours or when you wake up... make sure you HOLD vol up before actually putting it in. if you see the palm logo, start over with opt+sym+r. just don't let off of vol up Jan 06 22:25:09 (I uninstalled the patch even) Jan 06 22:25:18 shrooster: try it 100 times. and if it still doesn't work. give up :( Jan 06 22:25:35 ok :] Jan 06 22:25:48 thanks ;] Jan 06 22:25:48 grndslm: he can use GSM, but not UMTS, and he'll need to get it activated somehow first Jan 06 22:26:09 ill let ya know how it goes ;] Jan 06 22:26:17 rwhitby: yea... he's gonna have to use 1.2.1 sprint rom, right? Jan 06 22:26:18 misterikkit: check your Screen application to reset the timeout Jan 06 22:26:34 grndslm: dunno. it just worked for me, so I haven't looked into it. Jan 06 22:26:49 rwhitby: know why my meta'd roms are causing my screen to always stay on after i update to a newer version of webos? Jan 06 22:27:02 wow, I feel silly Jan 06 22:27:11 grndslm: nope. meta-doctor only touches first-use app, so no idea. Jan 06 22:27:12 but apparently the patch set the timeout to one day Jan 06 22:27:14 thanks Jan 06 22:27:19 why is it aonic never comes in here? :p Jan 06 22:27:41 zsoc: he has his own forums for his paying customers only Jan 06 22:27:57 rwhitby: that's extremely odd if you don't experience this... because i've used 3 different roms and no matter which one i start with, any webos upgrade kills my ability to turn the screen off Jan 06 22:28:07 extra lame... works totally fine before the upgrade Jan 06 22:28:36 grndslm: my dev Pre is always in such a weird state that I wouldn't notice if it did this Jan 06 22:28:52 and my real Pre is never meta-doctored Jan 06 22:29:49 rwhitby: what "weird state" is this? Jan 06 22:30:23 i haven't even really played with it for that long... just been testing general shit, and it seems to work fine Jan 06 22:30:48 ... other than the screen always being on, of course :o Jan 06 22:31:07 grndslm: my dev pre gets doctored very often, so I don't tend to notice long-term things on it. Jan 06 22:31:20 true Jan 06 22:31:48 soo.. which script disables the update checker?? Jan 06 22:37:03 Guys, my dad convinced me to try and install preware by myself on my pixi but it keeps sayin pacage manager servic is not running Jan 06 22:37:10 I have tried to reboot a bunch Jan 06 22:37:40 did you install the package manager service Jan 06 22:38:01 install.preware.org Jan 06 22:38:04 Sara_: rebooting generally doesn't fix things on webos, for future reference. Jan 06 22:38:15 i had to run the command line install with wget and did the install Jan 06 22:38:53 Sara_: preware-bootsrap.sh? Jan 06 22:39:00 were there any errors Jan 06 22:39:27 yes, and no erros I hit y for the two questions Jan 06 22:39:43 Tired doing it twice.. it is a pixi with all updates Jan 06 22:40:40 the instuction told me to reboot if i get this error iin preware Jan 06 22:40:49 what webos version? Jan 06 22:40:54 Sara_: what link did you use for the wget? I think the correct shortened url is http://bit.ly/dDEMO Jan 06 22:40:57 what error? Jan 06 22:41:07 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed |grep webosinternals Jan 06 22:41:13 1.3.5 Jan 06 22:41:14 Sara_: ^^ type taht and tell us output Jan 06 22:42:56 on the command line or on the phone Jan 06 22:43:00 ^^ Jan 06 22:43:08 command line Jan 06 22:43:21 ^^ not found Jan 06 22:44:06 http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap this is the link Jan 06 22:44:30 YES!! my netbook has been updated to be here tomorrow!!! weeee!!! Jan 06 22:46:33 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.29 - Package Manager Service org.webosinternals.preware - 0.9.13 - Preware Jan 06 22:46:40 when grep for intsalled Jan 06 22:47:21 why is it that ever time I quit I can't join WIRC with my username it saids it taken. Jan 06 22:47:41 I keeping making new ones. Jan 06 22:48:04 cause your username is taken? Jan 06 22:48:32 The error is The Package Manager Service is not running then later try restarting preware, then reboot. Jan 06 22:48:53 hm Jan 06 22:49:04 rwhitby: FYI, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/223053-you-able-install-themes-1-3-5-a.html Jan 06 22:50:25 Sara_: what does the following command output: Jan 06 22:50:27 stinking themes Jan 06 22:50:41 initctl list | grep ipkgservice Jan 06 22:50:41 what I mean is. My nick is Suruat, but when I tried to sigh in it saids Suruat is signed in, than I used Suruat2 earlier today, now it saids Suruat2 is sighed in. hance I am now on Suruat3. Jan 06 22:51:01 Suruat3: just do /ghost Jan 06 22:51:05 egaudet_work: I'll take a look at it Jan 06 22:51:25 just returns a commad line Jan 06 22:54:03 * rwhitby bbl Jan 06 22:54:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing.2FUpdating_via_Automated_Script_.28Bootstrap.29 Jan 06 22:55:27 that script was updated for cryptofs? Jan 06 22:56:48 yes oilsworkn Jan 06 22:58:26 . Jan 06 22:59:30 * Mousey follows cross-compilation for webos instructions Jan 06 23:00:04 could it be a pixi problem... Jan 06 23:00:16 * oilsworkn wonders what Mousey is compiling... Jan 06 23:01:05 ack Jan 06 23:01:14 oilsworkn: gonna try to get freeciv's SDL client to build Jan 06 23:01:26 wasn't zsoc|sleep already working on freeciv? Jan 06 23:01:29 at one point he asked be to test Jan 06 23:01:30 i had one on Maemo Jan 06 23:01:31 oh Jan 06 23:01:34 BOO! Jan 06 23:01:34 but never followed up with anything Jan 06 23:01:45 * Mousey ping's zsoc Jan 06 23:01:58 how the hell is he still sleeping is what I want to know Jan 06 23:02:10 Mousey: vhy ahre you pinging zee sock? Jan 06 23:02:12 Sara_: your best bet is probably to wait for rwhitby to return, he is the ipkgservice master Jan 06 23:02:35 zsoc: oilsworkn tells me you are/were already tryna do freeciv SDL and i am wasting my time!? Jan 06 23:02:39 ok, thank you! off to dinner and I will check back! :) Jan 06 23:02:41 The only repeatable problem with ipkgservice was fixed Jan 06 23:02:53 Mousey: it's done, actually Jan 06 23:02:55 !!! Jan 06 23:03:05 see Jan 06 23:03:12 * oilsworkn just saved mousey some time Jan 06 23:03:12 * Mousey continues installing the cross-compilation environment Jan 06 23:03:19 and gave me a boner Jan 06 23:03:19 Mousey: well I didn't really do anything. you just have to remove the uid=0 issue Jan 06 23:03:24 oh Jan 06 23:03:38 * oilsworkn never saves mousey time ever again Jan 06 23:03:41 so, uh.. need a tester? Jan 06 23:03:49 oilsworkn: don't worry, my boner isn't for you =P Jan 06 23:03:56 * oilsworkn weeps Jan 06 23:05:12 you must really like freeciv Jan 06 23:05:23 so next is wesnoth! Jan 06 23:05:27 ^_^ Jan 06 23:05:36 then i'm outta space in my phone Jan 06 23:05:47 Mousey: well there's work to do on it Jan 06 23:05:53 why does it say (Suruat: nickname is already in use when its clearly not) Jan 06 23:06:12 suruat2: ghost it Jan 06 23:06:17 suruat2 ghost it Jan 06 23:06:20 zsoc: i was hoping to do the port, then beg for help with the other stuff. as i am not a coder at ALL Jan 06 23:06:29 =( Jan 06 23:06:40 but i'm open minded ^_^ Jan 06 23:06:41 suruat2 do /msg nickserv ghost name pass Jan 06 23:06:51 Mousey: neither am I. you just need to be a hacker extraordinaire Jan 06 23:07:08 way to screw up your own tagline... Jan 06 23:07:30 hey zsoc did u take precorder out of preware? Jan 06 23:07:41 hacker mediocaire, here Jan 06 23:07:59 * oilsworkn will install precorder when it gets viewfinder Jan 06 23:08:05 Mousey: basically I need to figure out if it's playable. it all seems to work. but I'm not sure about zoom functionality and scrolling around the screen Jan 06 23:08:15 which is easy, just copy/paste it from the camera app xD Jan 06 23:08:17 tilt scroll would be ideal Jan 06 23:08:24 pinch zoom, too Jan 06 23:08:27 pinch to zoom Jan 06 23:08:28 srsly Jan 06 23:08:29 Mousey: well tell this and I'll upgrade you to a webos hacker ordinary Jan 06 23:08:40 tell which Jan 06 23:08:43 PINCH TO ZOOM IS IMPOSSIBLE. :p Jan 06 23:08:56 that can't be true! Jan 06 23:08:57 zsoc: loll Jan 06 23:09:02 mobgod: it was never in preware. it never worked Jan 06 23:09:14 and you thought you were elite webos hacker Jan 06 23:09:24 Mousey: it requires multitouch, you need to recode the SDL client input stuff Jan 06 23:09:27 * oilsworkn slaps zsoc Jan 06 23:09:31 really Jan 06 23:09:33 it's SDL's fault? Jan 06 23:09:34 oilsworkn: shut your face ugly Jan 06 23:09:39 ;( Jan 06 23:09:41 zsoc what never worked Jan 06 23:09:44 precorder? Jan 06 23:09:45 zsoc there is multitouch Jan 06 23:09:46 Mousey: it's no ones fault, this is called 'porting' Jan 06 23:09:57 in sdl Jan 06 23:10:00 dont port Jan 06 23:10:18 zsoc: i mean it's SDL's fault that pinch-to-zoom doesn't work, not the OS or the hardware, or even the game Jan 06 23:10:25 i dont want crappy apps on my phone just to show it can be done Jan 06 23:10:26 yay, we have a culprit. now for a little reformation action Jan 06 23:10:26 portersss.. learn to code zsoc! Jan 06 23:10:27 thats already been done Jan 06 23:10:36 no Jan 06 23:10:40 now we need games created or changed for the platform Jan 06 23:10:48 precorder viewfinder is easy as pie now that we have sdl Jan 06 23:10:51 mousey: games can implement pinch zoom, Jan 06 23:10:57 Mousey: it's no ones fault? Jan 06 23:11:03 there are 5 mice Jan 06 23:11:04 oilsworkn: what we need is a Pre version of THIS: http://recombu.com/news/parrot-ardrone-iphone-controlled-helicopter-leaves-us-speechless_M11288.html Jan 06 23:11:11 zsoc: any news on the audio sync front? Jan 06 23:11:16 5 simultaeous touches Jan 06 23:11:24 we CAN pinc Jan 06 23:11:24 h Jan 06 23:11:27 PuffTheMagic: nada. maybe sdl_ffmpeg? :p Jan 06 23:11:35 zsoc: nope Jan 06 23:11:40 the answer is in fixing SDL, that's what i'm getting out of this Jan 06 23:11:44 "fixing" Jan 06 23:11:47 zsoc will get one of those helicopters, set it next to his pre, type "make" and itl work Jan 06 23:11:52 Mousey: SDL IS NOT BROKEN Jan 06 23:11:55 Mousey: sdl is not broken Jan 06 23:11:56 lol Jan 06 23:11:56 hence the quotes Jan 06 23:12:00 hence the quotes! Jan 06 23:12:05 mousey you're wrong Jan 06 23:12:07 clearly Jan 06 23:12:12 it's not sdl Jan 06 23:12:15 oh Jan 06 23:12:20 5 mice Jan 06 23:12:20 zsoc: we must use hw for audio or else we wont be able to record in realtime Jan 06 23:12:28 oilsworkn: why are you such a peneface? Jan 06 23:12:29 5 touches Jan 06 23:12:49 sooo freeciv needs fixing Jan 06 23:12:52 =D Jan 06 23:12:53 we DO have multitouch in palm sdl Jan 06 23:12:57 * oilsworkn googles "peneface" Jan 06 23:13:12 pastaface? Jan 06 23:13:20 peniface Jan 06 23:13:22 Mousey: here's what you do. add a 2nd mouse button that is only pressed when the first button is already down. poll the distance between them Jan 06 23:13:30 k Jan 06 23:13:32 voila Jan 06 23:13:42 i need help by "mytether", are im right here? Jan 06 23:13:45 ummm Jan 06 23:13:50 the only result on urban dictionary is "look in a mirror and you'll find out" Jan 06 23:13:54 zsoc: u sure about that? Jan 06 23:14:05 so "peneface" = "incredibly handsome man" Jan 06 23:14:08 oilsworkn: silly question, does freeciv have a zoom button at all? :p Jan 06 23:14:17 a binding Jan 06 23:14:18 puff: there are 5 Jan 06 23:14:21 idk, i've never played it Jan 06 23:14:24 PuffTheMagic: no that probably won't work. he's not going to do it anyway Jan 06 23:14:31 its a keybinding Jan 06 23:14:39 it would work Jan 06 23:15:14 zsoc: sdl mouse only has 1 button i beleive Jan 06 23:15:19 that is the first issue Jan 06 23:15:27 five mice Jan 06 23:15:42 and even if it had more than 1 button Jan 06 23:15:49 all buttons have same x/y coords Jan 06 23:15:53 five Jan 06 23:15:58 PuffTheMagic: well then you add a second mouse :p Jan 06 23:16:02 five? Jan 06 23:16:05 five MICE, Jan 06 23:16:07 yeah five? Jan 06 23:16:10 not buttons Jan 06 23:16:15 ... Jan 06 23:16:17 just poll the difference between the mice cursors Jan 06 23:16:19 they all work at once Jan 06 23:16:25 wait Jan 06 23:16:26 and make a deadzone Jan 06 23:16:26 really? Jan 06 23:16:28 zsoc: yes! Jan 06 23:16:30 and then you win Jan 06 23:16:54 hmmmm Jan 06 23:16:59 me has new idea for controls Jan 06 23:17:06 partition screen into left and right Jan 06 23:17:09 and compare x coord Jan 06 23:17:13 :D Jan 06 23:17:36 PuffTheMagic: or just map the top left portion for zooming, since it's not used for anything. Jan 06 23:17:45 i dont care about zooming Jan 06 23:17:46 omg Jan 06 23:17:46 :/ Jan 06 23:17:52 not for any of the games im working on Jan 06 23:18:04 oilsworkn: what? Jan 06 23:18:06 PuffTheMagic: whatcha workin on? :D Jan 06 23:18:09 well right clicking is important in freeciv, and tilt scrolling would be nice Jan 06 23:18:11 PuffTheMagic: port tennix plz Jan 06 23:18:26 my next game is asteroids like game or 3d air hockey Jan 06 23:18:28 Mousey: Wait do you play freeciv? Jan 06 23:18:33 tilt scrolling? Jan 06 23:18:33 yah Jan 06 23:18:37 PuffTheMagic: vectoroids is cool Jan 06 23:18:41 zsoc: 6 hour turns Jan 06 23:18:43 * oilsworkn doesn't play freeciv on pre Jan 06 23:18:45 Mousey: crap why didn't you say so? Jan 06 23:18:51 >_> Jan 06 23:19:03 or i might get Descent working Jan 06 23:19:16 Mousey: the game is so effin complicated. It took me longer to get through a turn than to get it to work Jan 06 23:19:22 oilsworkn: freeciv is a client. take your turn on a PC with lots of pixels. then periodically connect to the server from yor phone client to check on the games progess Jan 06 23:19:22 PuffTheMagic: opengles descent? Jan 06 23:19:26 yup Jan 06 23:19:41 but air hockey would be bad ass Jan 06 23:19:50 Mousey: right but you can play freeciv on a 'local' server with ai chars Jan 06 23:19:55 ala 1 player Jan 06 23:20:03 yah, but i wouldn't want to do that on my poor phone Jan 06 23:20:14 i routinely run internet facing servers Jan 06 23:20:16 5 min of gameplay on full battery Jan 06 23:20:16 it works fine Jan 06 23:20:25 lol Jan 06 23:20:34 PuffTheMagic: make an opengles 3d demo Jan 06 23:20:45 make AR applications Jan 06 23:20:45 who did the triangle demo? Jan 06 23:20:51 zsoc: why a demo Jan 06 23:20:54 i can build that, but other stuff i try just has a black screen :( Jan 06 23:20:58 zsoc: if i do anything it will be a working game Jan 06 23:21:14 zsoc: and air hockey controls are all the mouse pointer :D Jan 06 23:21:16 freeciv could be a working game =) Jan 06 23:21:18 should be easy Jan 06 23:21:19 and fun Jan 06 23:21:28 freeciv is garbage Jan 06 23:21:31 ;_; Jan 06 23:21:46 the real Civ 4 is awesome Jan 06 23:21:47 * Mousey runs away crying Jan 06 23:21:55 PuffTheMagic: what open source game supports opengles2? I can't even find a gears demo Jan 06 23:22:09 Civ 4 is only for computers, mainly windows computers Jan 06 23:22:14 zsoc: anything that supports opengl should work i think Jan 06 23:22:17 I have a preware question, hoping for some help... Jan 06 23:22:21 freeciv can be played on basically anything Jan 06 23:22:41 Preware has been working fine, and all of a sudden, when I open it up, it has lost track of what I have installed. Jan 06 23:22:45 PuffTheMagic: not with out massive porting. opengl is so different from es2.0, even in concept Jan 06 23:22:56 ummm Jan 06 23:23:01 So it isn't finding updates, but more importantly, it no longer knows what patches I have installed. Jan 06 23:23:02 why did u start off with 2.0 Jan 06 23:23:08 of course 1.1 is different that 2.0 Jan 06 23:23:16 which means when the next webos update comes up, I have no way to uninstall patches. Jan 06 23:23:22 Anyone have any idea what's up? Jan 06 23:23:23 GLES 1.0 == GL 1.3 Jan 06 23:23:24 PuffTheMagic: webos only supports 2.0? Jan 06 23:23:33 zsoc: is that a question or statement? Jan 06 23:23:44 PuffTheMagic: I was hoping a statement Jan 06 23:23:50 well either way Jan 06 23:23:53 back. sort of Jan 06 23:24:01 only really low level shit needs to care about GL vs GLES Jan 06 23:24:08 the sdl calls dont change Jan 06 23:24:17 or what ever graphics lib u are using Jan 06 23:24:28 u only need to have support for gles in the graphics lib Jan 06 23:24:32 which sdl on pre does Jan 06 23:24:37 PuffTheMagic: YOU USE OPENGLES APIS. sdl is just a wrapper at that point Jan 06 23:24:42 Sorry to interrupt an ongoing thread, but I'd really appreciate some sage advice... Jan 06 23:24:52 destinal-pre: ping Jan 06 23:24:56 zsoc: yeah sdl is a wrapper Jan 06 23:25:06 danmoran77: run the emergency migration tool Jan 06 23:25:07 zsoc: which is why u dont need to worry about GLES Jan 06 23:25:16 zsoc: what is that? Jan 06 23:25:19 zsoc: if it works for GL it will work for GLES on SDL Jan 06 23:25:33 PuffTheMagic: yes you do. GL 1.3 still uses things like glbegin and glend, ES does not Jan 06 23:25:50 rwhitby hey Jan 06 23:25:53 zsoc: those are sdl calls? Jan 06 23:26:01 or are those functions that sdl calls? Jan 06 23:26:03 danmoran77: in preware. list of everything. search 'emer'. install migration helper, restart, problem fixed Jan 06 23:26:20 PuffTheMagic: those are gl apis Jan 06 23:26:24 omg Jan 06 23:26:39 destinal-pre: I've heard from a non-palm contact, that browser plugins work under /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/.... Jan 06 23:26:41 zsoc: you dont program GL or GLES directly in sdl Jan 06 23:26:47 zsoc: trying that now. thanks a million. Jan 06 23:26:54 y Jan 06 23:26:57 PuffTheMagic: yes you do Jan 06 23:27:00 destinal-pre: are you able to test that conjecture? if it's true, then Terminal no longer needs a postinst Jan 06 23:27:07 not exactly Jan 06 23:27:07 PuffTheMagic: or glgears would work, for starters Jan 06 23:27:08 hello guys thanks for all those games Jan 06 23:27:21 zsoc: wrong Jan 06 23:27:24 destinal-pre: *without* linking or copying it into /usr Jan 06 23:27:26 zsoc: glgears is not SDL Jan 06 23:27:27 browser srrver plugins will load there Jan 06 23:27:37 PuffTheMagic: SDL GLGEARS IS Jan 06 23:27:43 not browser plugins Jan 06 23:27:57 zsoc, sdl gears would be a great test.... Jan 06 23:28:08 check browser.conf Jan 06 23:28:11 PuffTheMagic, zsoc: http://www.libsdl.org/opengl/index.php Jan 06 23:28:34 dtzWill: ? Jan 06 23:28:41 dtzWill: what are u trying to say Jan 06 23:28:51 or did u think we dont know how to get to that page? Jan 06 23:28:54 zsoc: I just did that, and it doesn't seem to have any impact. Do I just need a luna restart, or a full restart? Jan 06 23:28:58 PuffTheMagic: download the example and tell me how the official sdl website suggests you use opengl with SDL Jan 06 23:29:14 PuffTheMagic: what, you think SDL has a full set of apis that wrap all of GL? Jan 06 23:29:27 that would be ridiculous and redundant Jan 06 23:29:29 * oilsworkn gets popcorn Jan 06 23:29:31 PuffTheMagic: hey now, I'm not suggesting any such thing :). but if you had and looked at the docs/etc, that makes it a bit clearer Jan 06 23:29:40 AND we would have tons of working gles2 stuff already Jan 06 23:29:44 I'll test it rwhitby but I noticed that conf and differences in dearch paths Jan 06 23:29:51 search Jan 06 23:30:15 zsoc: SDL is an abstraction layer over lots of rendering apis Jan 06 23:30:16 already Jan 06 23:30:31 * rwhitby shares oilsworkn's popcorn Jan 06 23:30:43 danmoran77: did you run the the migration tool, or patch removal? Jan 06 23:31:03 PuffTheMagic: it's possible that some parts of SDL will automaticlaly use opengl for you? or some such. but all the games/examples i can find that use sdl+opengl.. use sdl to init,sound, and some basic video stuff, and then raw opengl calls Jan 06 23:31:11 zsoc: migration tool, as you suggested. Jan 06 23:31:13 five mice Jan 06 23:31:17 doing a full restart now. Jan 06 23:31:19 just sayin Jan 06 23:31:35 :) Jan 06 23:31:36 danmoran77: and preware shows no installed packages? Jan 06 23:31:43 PuffTheMagic: just take a look and tell me what you think, you have the evidence i'm making my assumptions on so have at it. Jan 06 23:31:56 * dtzWill steals a bit of the popcorn because he's hungry (thanks! :)) Jan 06 23:31:59 It only shows packages that I have installed today - since discovering the problem. Jan 06 23:32:40 danmoran77: are you having a problem installing patches? Jan 06 23:33:10 zsoc: I haven't tried installing new patches since discovering the problem, but patches I already had installed still work. Jan 06 23:33:14 EMH Jan 06 23:33:22 now there is quake3 code for pandora, which I think is opengles2 Jan 06 23:33:30 zsoc: I just completed a full restart, no change. Jan 06 23:33:34 danmoran77: that's very odd. Jan 06 23:33:46 zsoc: I agree. It has me a little nervous... Jan 06 23:34:25 zsoc: it shows patches I already have installed as available again. Jan 06 23:35:05 danmoran77: that's not cool. this was during an upgrade from what version to what version? Jan 06 23:35:49 zsoc: as far as I know, not during an upgrade. My phone installed 1.3.5.1 while I was sleeping (I may have rolled over and hit OK without waking up and realizing what I was doing), but I *think* preware still worked after that. Jan 06 23:35:54 can't swear to it though. Jan 06 23:36:37 danmoran77: you should have no issues from 135 to 1351 Jan 06 23:36:59 assuming it worked fine in 135 Jan 06 23:37:02 zsoc: I agree - can't see why it would matter. and preware definitely worked perfectly after 1.3.5 Jan 06 23:37:15 danmoran77: only other thing I an suggest is the emergency patch tool, otherwise take someone elses suggestions here Jan 06 23:37:22 I only installed it after 1.3.5, and it worked. Jan 06 23:37:30 what will the emergency patch tool do? Jan 06 23:37:31 (and subsequently reinstalling patches) Jan 06 23:37:42 danmoran77: remove all your patches (hopefully) Jan 06 23:37:50 OK, I'll try that. Jan 06 23:38:24 I assume you mean emergency patch recovery? Jan 06 23:38:27 hm.. and the iphone uses opengles1.1, which is pixel pipe, so we can't use any of that Jan 06 23:38:36 and 'open'pandora is actually closed source Jan 06 23:38:46 maemo would seem to be our only resource Jan 06 23:39:53 oh never find, es2.0 is backwards compatile with fixed function pipelines Jan 06 23:39:57 does anyone here have any experience with opengl, etc? i'm trying to debug something and an expert would be rather useful Jan 06 23:40:25 oh NO it's specifically not, nevermind I was right the first time Jan 06 23:41:08 dtzWill: no experts here. lots in #opengl - RTFM_WTF is particularly knowledgable Jan 06 23:41:14 albeit reminds me of puff Jan 06 23:41:45 dtzWill: just make sure you specify gles2.0 Jan 06 23:42:15 what are you working on anyway? Jan 06 23:42:27 zsoc: what did u say about me? Jan 06 23:42:55 PuffTheMagic: I said you remind me of a guru that hangs out in #opengl Jan 06 23:43:06 lol Jan 06 23:43:14 zsoc: specify? Jan 06 23:43:31 zsoc: i'll let you know when i find that my project isn't too ambitious to be ashamed of even trying :P ;) Jan 06 23:43:34 zsoc: i am hardly a guru... im wrong often Jan 06 23:43:42 (yet i dont often admit it) Jan 06 23:43:43 :D Jan 06 23:43:47 * oilsworkn saves that quote for later Jan 06 23:43:49 dtzWill: they handle all opengl there. if you ask a question make sure you say gles2 Jan 06 23:44:16 oilsworkn: i have the best quotes dont I Jan 06 23:44:17 zsoc: oh, kk Jan 06 23:44:17 :D Jan 06 23:44:37 * oilsworkn adds it as random tagline to wirc Jan 06 23:44:42 lol Jan 06 23:44:54 :) Jan 06 23:45:04 along with Jan 06 23:45:07 "destanial: FIVE!" Jan 06 23:45:54 oilsworkn: you could have to commit something to wirc to do that though Jan 06 23:46:06 * PuffTheMagic marks his calendar for march 12 Jan 06 23:46:07 dtzWill: pm :p Jan 06 23:46:10 hey, last thing i committed was awesome Jan 06 23:46:16 multi-page prefs Jan 06 23:46:22 the next thing i commit Jan 06 23:46:23 :) Jan 06 23:46:38 is a page for list of words Jan 06 23:46:41 for highlighting Jan 06 23:46:47 f' that Jan 06 23:46:56 we have serious other things to deal with Jan 06 23:47:00 my next commit, is to remove the pinging :) Jan 06 23:47:04 like ass loads of cruft Jan 06 23:47:07 that needs to be removed Jan 06 23:47:09 cruft? Jan 06 23:47:09 and code cleanups Jan 06 23:47:15 yeah like all the Message shit Jan 06 23:47:22 message shit? Jan 06 23:47:28 message.js Jan 06 23:47:41 whats wrong with it? Jan 06 23:47:50 there are like 20 styles that we dont use Jan 06 23:47:51 or use 1 Jan 06 23:47:54 lol Jan 06 23:47:57 s/1/once/ Jan 06 23:47:57 PuffTheMagic meant: or use once Jan 06 23:48:11 i thought you already cleaned all that up Jan 06 23:48:33 there was that list of what everything is for / how it looks Jan 06 23:48:36 oilsworkn: no i added new shit, but never removed the old stuff nor moved everything to the new stufgf Jan 06 23:48:40 zsoc: that seems to have worked. reinstalling patches now. Thanks! Jan 06 23:48:43 ah Jan 06 23:48:46 and there is still stuff using the old stuff Jan 06 23:48:51 ah Jan 06 23:48:55 and unicode shit still dont work Jan 06 23:49:03 * oilsworkn looks at service Jan 06 23:49:10 and the lag meter power drain needs to get fixed Jan 06 23:49:19 * oilsworkn looks at puff Jan 06 23:49:23 rick: what's your demo deadline? Jan 06 23:49:25 :)_ Jan 06 23:49:34 danmoran77: thank egaudet for being the silent hacker extraordinaire Jan 06 23:50:11 eguadet: it seems I owe you one! Thanks! Jan 06 23:50:22 destinal-away I don't know. I'm sitting in the Kansas City airport, with a now 4 hour delay, and am not SURE I will get to LV tonight. :-( Jan 06 23:50:28 dont forget preferences to change the message prefixes Jan 06 23:50:31 ? Jan 06 23:50:37 Rick_work: damn weather Jan 06 23:50:41 so me and egaudet can have * for /me, and you can have -*- or whatever it is you wanted Jan 06 23:50:43 never-the-less destinal-pre I suspect the answer is 0900 pacific time tommorow Jan 06 23:50:45 Rick_work: play some space invaders Jan 06 23:50:46 :D Jan 06 23:50:56 space invaders was actually pretty playable Jan 06 23:50:56 PuffTheMagic good idea. Jan 06 23:51:11 oilsworkn: yeah the controlls could be improved a ltitle Jan 06 23:51:14 though i don't feel like i could ever do very well Jan 06 23:51:14 so..anything new lately? Jan 06 23:51:15 oilsworkn: but that was a first cut Jan 06 23:51:18 yeah Jan 06 23:51:20 meaning the past 24 hrs lol Jan 06 23:51:20 long load for what it is tho Jan 06 23:51:23 fast as you guys move Jan 06 23:51:24 * Jack87|Work-Wait wonders how the nexus hardware differs from pre Jan 06 23:51:28 the tilt-controlls are not very precise Jan 06 23:51:29 like Jan 06 23:51:32 "stop under this cover" Jan 06 23:51:37 "you mean, go right past it and die?" Jan 06 23:51:44 "no, thats not what i wanted" Jan 06 23:51:45 heh Jan 06 23:51:54 oilsworkn: well i did some funky stuff to get that to work as good as it does Jan 06 23:52:01 yeah Jan 06 23:52:02 I am -very- concerned that the direct-load sdl apps that take > 10 seconds to come up past a black screen will sour peoplle on them. Jan 06 23:52:03 cause unlike the accelerometer service Jan 06 23:52:10 its like a constant stream of events Jan 06 23:52:14 no 4hz Jan 06 23:52:16 it seems like touch drag might be better for accuracy of where your guy is Jan 06 23:52:18 its like 4000hz Jan 06 23:52:35 oilsworkn: i was thinking about that Jan 06 23:52:42 accel events are 30 hz when using sdl joystick Jan 06 23:52:44 btw Jan 06 23:52:47 puff I thought they sped it up Jan 06 23:52:56 for games Jan 06 23:52:58 according to the accelerometer service, it's tunable Jan 06 23:53:01 for mojo, there is a special variable you can set Jan 06 23:53:03 that ramps it up Jan 06 23:53:14 in 135 Jan 06 23:53:29 oilsworkn: the key is finding good tolerances for "what is considered" level Jan 06 23:53:30 ok so we call the service :) Jan 06 23:53:31 to make it stop Jan 06 23:53:33 sdl joystick auto tunes it to period 33 ms Jan 06 23:53:38 about 30 hz Jan 06 23:53:51 then u have to find a function to convert the tilt into a resonable velocity Jan 06 23:53:55 i played with lots of shit Jan 06 23:54:00 what i have is not how i want it Jan 06 23:54:03 i had better ideas Jan 06 23:54:04 check /sys while running Jan 06 23:54:08 but that was more playable for the time being Jan 06 23:54:13 egaudet: naaa Jan 06 23:54:15 its not changed there Jan 06 23:54:21 yes it is Jan 06 23:54:24 i dont think they are using the /sys interface for sdl Jan 06 23:54:54 the /sys is just a hook into kernel Jan 06 23:55:05 I like the tilt only because it means my finger isn't coveringg up part of the screen Jan 06 23:55:14 the driver handles freq of events to userspace Jan 06 23:55:15 Rick_work: thats why i went with that Jan 06 23:55:25 Hmm, trying to follow the compiling DOOM tutorial on WebOS Internals, but I keep getting an error on the "./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local" line. It keeps saying that it couldn't run the SDL test program. I checked and the sdl-config file doesn't exist, but even after installing SDL it doesn't get created. Jan 06 23:55:28 invaders works good PuffTheMagic Jan 06 23:55:36 sdl joystick tunes it and you can verify by looking at /sys Jan 06 23:55:54 egaudet_wirc: well i think that is stupid of them Jan 06 23:56:09 egaudet_wirc: i would have talked directly to the hardware for sdl joystick Jan 06 23:56:22 TIWizard did the run correctly to setup the sb2 environment? Jan 06 23:56:22 that way it dont mess with other shit using the /sys interface Jan 06 23:56:41 huh Jan 06 23:56:53 you can't direct hw from userspace Jan 06 23:57:00 egaudet_wirc: lol yes you can Jan 06 23:57:06 I think it uses hidd Jan 06 23:57:22 Rick_work: it installed sb2 correctly-- I didn't see any errors. Copied and pasted each line Jan 06 23:57:27 not sure tho Jan 06 23:57:33 egaudet_wirc: the same C code that is in ther kernel could be included in a any application and executed directly Jan 06 23:57:42 pre plus = 16gig and pixi = wifi? Jan 06 23:57:46 TIWizard: did it stage libsdl ? Jan 06 23:57:49 no Jan 06 23:58:01 isnt palms thing tomrorow? Jan 06 23:58:06 http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Derek%20Kessler/2010/01/pre-plus-pixi-plus-specs.jpg Jan 06 23:58:10 oilsworkn: yep Jan 06 23:58:15 so read their patch :) Jan 06 23:58:32 rwhitby: Stage libsdl? Jan 06 23:58:38 oh god...another reason people will think the iphone is magical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2Av74pjTY&feature=related Jan 06 23:58:49 egaudet_wirc: some modifications would be needed but for the most part any C app can talk to any hardware with out using the kernel Jan 06 23:59:00 so Jack87|Work-Wait: you asked a question Jan 06 23:59:05 the posted what appears to be proof? Jan 06 23:59:30 oilsworkn: him.. just not sure Jan 06 23:59:36 oilsworkn: about what i dunno Jan 06 23:59:41 TIWizard: the "make stage" step - did it copy sdl-config ? Jan 06 23:59:42 i don't put much stuff on my pre Jan 06 23:59:48 * oilsworkn won't be upgrading for more memory Jan 07 00:00:00 I'll get a CDMA wifi Pixi for dev work Jan 07 00:00:18 puff some devices only talk to one program at once sanely tho Jan 07 00:00:22 (assuming someone can get me one cheap) Jan 07 00:00:35 oilsworkn: with emulators possibly hitting (likely) it be nice to have more then 8 gigs... and ability to do video to the fullest is around the corner... right zsoc Jan 07 00:00:38 * Rick_work will NOT be upgrading for more flash. Jan 07 00:01:02 i dont mean to offend anyone with my next statement.... Jan 07 00:01:08 * oilsworkn is already offended Jan 07 00:01:09 * Mousey puts on seatbelt Jan 07 00:01:10 my 2 cats are sooooo gay Jan 07 00:01:15 Rick-home: we just need a loading bar Jan 07 00:01:16 lol Jan 07 00:01:17 oh thats all Jan 07 00:01:37 zsoc -- yes. Jan 07 00:01:39 rwhitby: i called it about pixi and wifi no one would listen and all called me crazy Jan 07 00:01:45 they spoon and cuddle and simultaneously lick each other Jan 07 00:01:45 rwhitby: Checks for gcc, bsd compatible install, etc, then checks for sdl-config and says not found Jan 07 00:01:50 its pretty funny Jan 07 00:01:56 lol Jan 07 00:01:58 chrisa kept implying that its not the case when i would mention it Jan 07 00:01:58 Jack87|Work-Wait: I bet it's different hardware inside, not just a software patch to the existing pixi Jan 07 00:02:17 rwhitby i concurr Jan 07 00:02:20 rwhitby: probably.. Jan 07 00:02:37 TIWizard: please pastebin the log of "make clobber ; make stage" Jan 07 00:02:59 sprint pixi skips wifi radio on assembly line? Jan 07 00:03:15 Sprint pixis do not have any wifi chips in them. Putting them in but not using them is a waste of money / profit / time / validation Jan 07 00:03:20 So, do we know why quake and doom start quickly, but the other three take so long to start? Jan 07 00:03:21 missing chip. -- no antenna, no amp for 802.11 radio Jan 07 00:03:41 chrisa: exactly Jan 07 00:03:51 rwhitby: i propose a motion to change the sdl games from the type "Application" to "Native Application" or something to make it stand apart from mojo apps Jan 07 00:04:01 lol Jan 07 00:04:18 rwhitby: pretty sure they preload all images Jan 07 00:04:22 rwhitby could the fact that the others are a) huge and b) don't use external "wad" type files Jan 07 00:04:23 PuffTheMagic: why? - they look the same to AM. Jan 07 00:04:35 * Mousey grumbles about missing kqemu stuff in debian repos Jan 07 00:04:37 Puff: for it. Jan 07 00:04:39 has anyone ever seen a Pixi tear-down ? Jan 07 00:04:40 I suspect that they're busy loading graphics and stuff. Doom and quake get splash screans up right now. Jan 07 00:04:46 rwhitby: easier filtering in preware to get to the good stuff Jan 07 00:04:55 PuffTheMagic: Feed: WebOS Internals Jan 07 00:04:59 done Jan 07 00:05:01 Ah, one sec. says curl isn't found Jan 07 00:05:02 :) Jan 07 00:05:04 * Jack87|Work-Wait thinks sprint pixi sales would be up more making money if wifi was included... lame sprint Jan 07 00:05:22 rwhitby: that only works while we have the only native apps Jan 07 00:05:35 rwhitby: i wonder if modding pixi is possible to add wifi Jan 07 00:05:48 PuffTheMagic: that assumes anyone else's native apps are going to be good ... Jan 07 00:05:52 rwhitby: why is there Linux application and optware.... Jan 07 00:05:56 rwhitby google doesn't find a teardown for the pixi. Jan 07 00:05:59 chrisa: do you know if it will be on the board? Jan 07 00:06:00 what it is. Jan 07 00:06:02 rick I think they were never designed with less than modeen pcs Jan 07 00:06:06 that is split up for no aparent reason Jan 07 00:06:13 User interface is different Jan 07 00:06:34 so they rely on bad assumptions Jan 07 00:06:40 Jack87|Work-Wait: if he did he can't tell you Jan 07 00:06:50 zsoc: you are not helping here Jan 07 00:07:00 :) Jan 07 00:07:02 Jack87|Work-Wait: what is 'it', and what board? Jan 07 00:07:14 PuffTheMagic, yea with like mmap? You shouldn't make a habbit of those things Jan 07 00:07:27 egaudet: ? Jan 07 00:07:39 chrisa: i dont want you to tell me if you cant but if you can would it be possible to add wifi radio to a sprint pixi Jan 07 00:07:47 no WebOS book @ The MIT COOP Jan 07 00:07:50 why. Jan 07 00:07:53 and why would you want that when the driver is polling the accelerometer for you, it's not like reading it from userspace is delaying anything or effecting anything really Jan 07 00:08:00 I've seen pretty amazing hacks on all sorts of things Jan 07 00:08:08 Jack87|Work-Wait: wait less than 24 hours and you'll probably know Jan 07 00:08:08 wee! Jan 07 00:08:09 gcc configured. Jan 07 00:08:09 sb2-init: Target architecture is 'arm' Jan 07 00:08:09 sb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86' Jan 07 00:08:09 So it may be possible, but I have no idea if it's feasible Jan 07 00:08:11 chrisa: roger that thanks Jan 07 00:08:30 refer to that guy who keeps making handheld game consoles as an example Jan 07 00:08:47 ben heck? Jan 07 00:08:54 you could do usb wifi Jan 07 00:09:01 if room Jan 07 00:09:08 but power... Jan 07 00:09:25 I don't even know what we're announcing tomorrow, truth be told Jan 07 00:09:31 lol Jan 07 00:09:37 so, we're still looking for a tag-line for our banner for SCALE. Jan 07 00:09:38 not that you would tell us if you did :) Jan 07 00:09:38 egaudet: well i didnt look at the kernel code, but i am not sure if "changing the polling freq" is changing the rate at which the hw is polling or if the hw is polling at a constant rate and what is changing how often values are returned Jan 07 00:09:43 destinal-pre: i almost imagine that the wifi radio is serperate so if you can get your hands onit be simple as plugging it into the board some how. Jan 07 00:09:48 I mean, I know what we're working on for the most part but who knows what is being announced Jan 07 00:09:52 wow busy in here hi all. Jan 07 00:10:02 jacques: u good with that? Jan 07 00:10:02 Jack87|Work-Wait: that's assuming the board layout has a place for it Jan 07 00:10:09 You can't just slap chips on pcbs willy nilly Jan 07 00:10:11 chrisa: right Jan 07 00:10:31 not willy nilly, ductape obviously needs to be involved Jan 07 00:10:32 PuffTheMagic, it's changing the kernel polling frequency Jan 07 00:10:45 I looked at the driver code a while back Jan 07 00:11:30 rwhitby: "webos hackers extraordinaire" :D Jan 07 00:11:42 egaudet: so the hw is always polling at max frequency then and the kernel is just changing how often it reports what the hw knows Jan 07 00:11:46 * zsoc is a 1 trick pony Jan 07 00:11:55 chrisa: thats why i said i would imagine. who knows... it only makes sense to have the same assembly line for the same/similar product to save time and money have a little port who knows though haha maybe a brave sole will take apart their pixi for us one day sprint/verizon either or Jan 07 00:11:57 egaudet: and in that case i would interface with the hw directly... if i was making a sdl driver Jan 07 00:12:07 * Mousey makes stage Jan 07 00:12:16 chrisa: you guys are donig great work i am super excited Jan 07 00:12:23 doesn't make sense to me you gain nothing from reading directly from the hw Jan 07 00:12:37 there are two leading contenders for tag-lines so far: Jan 07 00:12:50 "WebOS-Internals: The Future of Open Communication" Jan 07 00:12:53 egaudet: what you gain in the ability to control the frequency for your app with out it affecting other apps Jan 07 00:13:04 "WebOS-Internals: Super. Open. Phones." Jan 07 00:13:10 s/gain in/gain is/ Jan 07 00:13:11 PuffTheMagic meant: egaudet: what you gain is the ability to control the frequency for your app with out it affecting other apps Jan 07 00:14:01 oh oh option 2 I vote for option 2 Jan 07 00:14:02 "WebOS-Internals: That Was Easy!" Jan 07 00:14:16 "there's a patch for that"? Jan 07 00:14:20 awesome Jan 07 00:14:22 Mousey good one! but too much insider info Jan 07 00:14:23 I suppose, but I don't know of any app that would be negatively impacted by a higher frequency change Jan 07 00:14:28 Rick-home: doh Jan 07 00:15:08 firefox on my ubuntu box is so terrible Jan 07 00:15:20 firefox? on MY ubuntu? Jan 07 00:15:27 Rick_work: Lisa liked #2 as well Jan 07 00:16:04 Lisa as in Brewster? Jan 07 00:16:04 brb Jan 07 00:16:05 Well, got it working. Was missing curl Jan 07 00:16:26 TIWizard should have errored while running the cross-compile make Jan 07 00:16:31 Rick_work: yep, she's my marketing consultant ;-) Jan 07 00:16:33 oilsworkn: i already made that comparison Jan 07 00:16:45 rwhitby good choice. Hot Young Geek Woman. Jan 07 00:17:17 Apple="There's an app for that", Verizon="There's a map for that", webOS="There's a patch for that" Jan 07 00:17:23 rwhitby: in that case, howabout "Webos-Internals: That's Hot." :p Jan 07 00:17:45 * rwhitby notes PuffTheMagic's new stance on patches ... Jan 07 00:17:54 webos-internals: what are you doing with your palm Jan 07 00:18:42 "WebOS-Internals: What's in YOUR Palm?" Jan 07 00:18:56 Mousey: i like! Jan 07 00:18:58 ^_^ Jan 07 00:19:13 rwhitby: consider Mousey's Jan 07 00:19:23 rwhitby: i never said they wouldnt be useful or that stuff didnt need to be changed, just that the maintence involved with them is not worth my time nor is making them AM friendly Jan 07 00:19:34 Rick_work: Must have missed the error. Not a big Linux person ;) Jan 07 00:19:44 no no, it's a total rip, besides destinal-pre was my inspiration Jan 07 00:19:45 my muse! Jan 07 00:19:53 rwhitby: i do use ~18 patches though Jan 07 00:20:01 :) Jan 07 00:20:05 i like it Jan 07 00:20:10 i really wonder what is taking palm so long to incorporate some of them Jan 07 00:20:22 like 15px font in messenger app Jan 07 00:20:26 ^^ great patch Jan 07 00:20:29 PuffTheMagic: some of them do cause the phone to bog down Jan 07 00:20:42 Jack87|Work-Wait: i dont use wonky patches Jan 07 00:20:51 Mousey: note that we want the tag-line to be useable in a professional environment, like SCALE or LWE Jan 07 00:20:51 Jack87|Work-Wait: i dont use any of the patches tha mess with the battery meter Jan 07 00:20:56 PuffTheMagic: ya 15px should be a messaging options like it was on palm os Jan 07 00:21:03 * oilsworkn only has 5 patches Jan 07 00:21:19 * Jack87|Work-Wait has no patches installed misses unthrotle Jan 07 00:21:29 well, there just isn't enough bandwidth at the airport to install sb2. I'll do it when I get to the hotel (I hope) Jan 07 00:21:29 I can type because i-25 denver northbound is 0-4 mph. apparently there's bad weather or something Jan 07 00:21:30 oilsworkn: a handful of the patches are sorta pointless and i never really use Jan 07 00:21:32 hey, anyone working on scummvm keybindings? Jan 07 00:21:35 I would like to try http://sourceforge.net/projects/zbar/ Jan 07 00:21:35 app downloads, 4x4v3, lower brightness, and two more i cant remember right now Jan 07 00:21:37 rwhitby: didn't know you were really tagline hunting Jan 07 00:21:50 las weeks pod cast i almost had the most patches.. was ashmed have none now Jan 07 00:21:50 Mousey: this is for the banner at scale Jan 07 00:21:54 ooh! Jan 07 00:21:59 well i like the 2nd one better Jan 07 00:22:01 oilsworkn: v3 is poop Jan 07 00:22:01 rick: tether! Jan 07 00:22:11 oh Jan 07 00:22:12 oilsworkn: 4x4 looks so much better with 48px icons Jan 07 00:22:14 open to alarm list Jan 07 00:22:15 64 is too big Jan 07 00:22:18 and unhide devmode Jan 07 00:22:18 v2 rules Jan 07 00:22:24 * oilsworkn likes v3 Jan 07 00:22:25 "WebOS-Internals: Bigger Than Palm Realizes" Jan 07 00:22:29 its personal preference Jan 07 00:22:30 ^_^ Jan 07 00:22:37 Rick_work: zbar seems doable Jan 07 00:22:47 * Jack87|Work-Wait looks for 4x4 and unthrotle Jan 07 00:22:51 Rick_work: isnt there already a company that does bar code reading Jan 07 00:22:58 oilsworkn app downloads, 5x4 icons, date in topbar, battery as % and graphic, add launcher pages. and unhide devmode. that's 6 Jan 07 00:23:03 does unthrottle do anything Jan 07 00:23:08 grow your palm Jan 07 00:23:10 PuffTheMagic not on the pre that I know of Jan 07 00:23:11 * oilsworkn only has 5 Jan 07 00:23:11 seems to do nothing for speeds for me Jan 07 00:23:28 srsly, consider open to alarms list Jan 07 00:23:33 after adding the launcher pages removing the patch still keeps pages :) so have had no need to reapply it Jan 07 00:23:34 the clock is retarded, and i use alarms all the time Jan 07 00:23:50 same for notification led Jan 07 00:24:03 so verizon will be including the inductive back on the pre? Jan 07 00:24:08 * oilsworkn doesn't have a need for notification led Jan 07 00:24:08 Wow Jan 07 00:24:14 the point is that zbar returns a barcode, which could then talk to a mojo object to look up upc codes on tubes, and do the whole price comparison search thiny that the iphone and android pholks like so much Jan 07 00:24:16 So the plus, is a bigger user storage? Jan 07 00:24:20 Thats nothing really Jan 07 00:24:23 oilsworkn: i dont either, but i still have the patch applied Jan 07 00:24:39 "WebOS-Internals: Blurring the Line between phone and computer" Jan 07 00:24:40 i have the roam only patch for dev purposes Jan 07 00:24:42 and allowing BT tethering (extra cost) ? Jan 07 00:24:54 jacques: i know how to get around that Jan 07 00:25:02 gregroll already figured it out Jan 07 00:25:06 Mousey: too long Jan 07 00:25:10 PuffTheMagic freetether coming some day? Not that I want you to stop porting sdl and openGL stuff, just wondering Jan 07 00:25:12 >_> Jan 07 00:25:15 PuffTheMagic: get around what? Jan 07 00:25:25 bnep is disabled on some gsm phones Jan 07 00:25:34 ah Jan 07 00:25:34 and prob on new devices to come Jan 07 00:25:38 but its easy to turn on Jan 07 00:25:48 Abyssul: if they changed too much they couldnt call it a pre Jan 07 00:25:56 Rick_work: well freetether is still work for usb and bt Jan 07 00:26:09 Rick_work: i doubt i will get around to getting wifi working Jan 07 00:26:16 ooo i need to quiet power messages Jan 07 00:26:22 "WebOS-Internals: JWZ's never heard of us" Jan 07 00:26:24 Rick_work: unless palm decides to make their kernel module public Jan 07 00:26:26 oh wait Jan 07 00:26:33 damn it my patch addiction is coming back i was doing so good to Jan 07 00:26:47 Mousey: Preware is jwz's preferred distribution channel. Jan 07 00:27:03 rwhitby: You sure it's not Installer? Jan 07 00:27:06 PuffTheMagic so is it released? Jan 07 00:27:26 testing feed Jan 07 00:27:32 bye all Jan 07 00:27:33 Rick_work: i dont know enough about GPIO and SDIO to safely hack on the kernel to get any of the open source wifi drivers that "should work" with our phone to actually work Jan 07 00:27:33 oilsworkn thanks. Jan 07 00:27:42 Rick_work: if i had a dev only device that would be a different story Jan 07 00:27:49 PuffTheMagic thanks, that's what I wondered. Jan 07 00:27:50 rwhitby: Super. Open. Phones. is cool with me Jan 07 00:27:51 JWZ loves preware, cause we approached him to include his apps, and he didn't need to sign anything or do anything. Jan 07 00:28:02 and I'm -working- on dev phones. Jan 07 00:28:03 Rick_work: a "working version" for bt and usb has been in Preware for months Jan 07 00:28:12 iFart Pro $5?!? Jan 07 00:28:16 LOL Jan 07 00:28:27 is testing feed turned off by default in preware? Jan 07 00:28:33 Rick_work: no Jan 07 00:28:37 PuffTheMagic: freetether has never been released to public feed. Jan 07 00:28:39 Rick_work: oh yeah... it might still be in the testing feed Jan 07 00:28:58 PuffTheMagic any reason not to? Jan 07 00:29:01 Morning all. Jan 07 00:29:05 freetether is probably my fav program in the testing feed. :) Jan 07 00:29:08 Morning lingfish Jan 07 00:29:09 g'day lingfish Jan 07 00:29:31 I won't do my daily whinge that 1.3.{5,5.1} isn't out for O2 ;) Jan 07 00:29:33 Rick_work: initially yes, now not really, but i would like to do some cleanups before it changes feeds Jan 07 00:29:39 I just want to be able to use BT input devices Jan 07 00:29:45 PuffTheMagic ok. Jan 07 00:29:51 just wondered. Jan 07 00:30:11 Rick_work: hopefully after i move to troy (which will be in ~2 weeks) i will start hacking on it again Jan 07 00:30:12 I've been playing a bit with disabling more stuff for batt life... I found that disabling GPS really didn't make jack diff Jan 07 00:30:24 Rick_work: idk what internet service i am going to go with and will be using the Pre for internet Jan 07 00:30:25 A lot of the articles seem to talk about pre 1.3.1 for that setting too Jan 07 00:30:30 PuffTheMagic: ever considered using com.palm.netroute to do the dnsmasq and iptables stuff ?http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management Jan 07 00:30:31 so that will be some motivation Jan 07 00:30:41 jacques: i agree Jan 07 00:30:51 i can't think of anything serious Jan 07 00:31:29 "WebOS-Internals: Not Just Astroturfing" Jan 07 00:31:32 ^_^ Jan 07 00:31:49 haha Jan 07 00:31:55 rwhitby: i was trying to use as much existing palm stuff as i could before Jan 07 00:32:09 "WebOS-Internals: Teaching Palm New Tricks" Jan 07 00:32:10 i knew there was undocumented stuff i just didnt spend that much time discovering it all Jan 07 00:32:24 if/when i get back to it i could see what is new Jan 07 00:32:58 PuffTheMagic: I've been looking at it for OpenVPN Jan 07 00:33:08 that wiki page has what I've found so far Jan 07 00:33:28 Hmm personally Im glad that I have the center button on Pre. Gives a LED notification and (in the future) a useful button Jan 07 00:33:38 rwhitby: but then again.... relying on palm stuff leaves us bent over backwards for them to f us in the a later when they dont like what we are doing Jan 07 00:34:00 s/palm/palm\/sprint/ Jan 07 00:34:02 PuffTheMagic: not if their stuff depend on the same calls. as we do for homebrew. Jan 07 00:34:22 i can haz link to add the testing feed to preware? :D Jan 07 00:34:37 "WebOS-Internals: Way More Awesome Than Android" Jan 07 00:34:42 lol Jan 07 00:34:47 Abyssul: the bar on the Pixi doesn't light up for LED notifications? Jan 07 00:34:52 MiX-MaN: that's the test. if you can't work out how, then you're likely to not be an awesome alpha tester Jan 07 00:35:11 Mousey: I'm thinking no direct comparisons to any other vendors Jan 07 00:35:11 rwhitby: :( im just too lazy to google Jan 07 00:35:28 MiX-MaN: the usually correlates with too lazy to help fix bugs ... Jan 07 00:35:49 for the most part.. but i just sub'ed a bug report to the fuel app :D Jan 07 00:36:02 rwhitby: hmm Jan 07 00:36:04 cant fix.. but im willing to bitch and whine about something not working Jan 07 00:36:05 heh Jan 07 00:36:23 MiX-MaN: that's beta testing, not alpha testing. Jan 07 00:36:38 "WebOS-Internals: If Palm was Popeye, We're the Spinach" Jan 07 00:36:41 hmmm... point made Jan 07 00:36:43 :) Jan 07 00:37:10 Mousey: next... Jan 07 00:37:13 super open pones Jan 07 00:37:15 Kyusaku: It does, but the light on the center button is brighter and more noticeable. Jan 07 00:37:16 Abyssul: I don't like the center button in fact the coating on mine has chipped off making it look kinda bleh. Jan 07 00:37:16 phone Jan 07 00:37:18 phones Jan 07 00:37:24 "WebOS-Internals: Super. Open. Pwns." Jan 07 00:37:32 "WebOS-Internals: Open Communication Works" Jan 07 00:37:46 or just "open... works! " Jan 07 00:37:53 but super open phones is more informative Jan 07 00:37:53 "WebOS-Internals: Open Software Opening Networks" Jan 07 00:37:54 Just Works! Jan 07 00:38:04 Are you looking for a motto or something? lol Jan 07 00:38:27 I like "Open Just Works" Jan 07 00:38:29 tag line for banner at SCALE Jan 07 00:38:31 Why Jailbreak? Jan 07 00:38:36 lol Jan 07 00:38:44 no references to other platforms Jan 07 00:38:47 ok :P Jan 07 00:38:51 I dunno, "it just works" is apple, no? Jan 07 00:39:02 i've heard just works somewhere.. cant remember where Jan 07 00:39:10 "WebOS Internals: Taking you to the limit" Jan 07 00:39:16 "WebOS-Internals: Contributing is not a crime" Jan 07 00:39:38 webos-internals: open your palm Jan 07 00:39:47 Internally Grateful Jan 07 00:39:49 destinal-pre: again witht eh awesome Jan 07 00:39:53 destinal-pre: trying to reduce the innuendo Jan 07 00:40:00 LOL Jan 07 00:40:15 "WebOS-Internals: Palms up!" Jan 07 00:40:21 sounds kinky Jan 07 00:40:22 with the open palm of friendship. Jan 07 00:40:26 naaaaaaa Jan 07 00:40:39 two thumbs up :D Jan 07 00:40:42 "WebOS-Internals: Don't Leave Palm Without It" Jan 07 00:40:43 no, three. Jan 07 00:41:11 * rwhitby notices Sargun_Screen lurking ;-) Jan 07 00:41:30 gotta head home. BIALW Jan 07 00:42:30 Super. Open. Phones. Jan 07 00:42:30 "WebOS-Internals: Yes, Palm's Still A Contender" Jan 07 00:42:32 webosinternals: more opener is more better Jan 07 00:42:41 :) Jan 07 00:42:46 destinal-pre: more opener is more betterer ? Jan 07 00:42:56 ya Jan 07 00:43:03 "WebOS-Internals: mo' Bettah" Jan 07 00:43:15 free your phone Jan 07 00:43:21 heh Jan 07 00:43:25 lol Jan 07 00:43:26 i kinda liked the Teaching Palm New Tricks one.. Jan 07 00:43:26 no Jan 07 00:43:27 destinal-pre: heh - been there, done that. Jan 07 00:43:48 "WebOS-Internals: OpenMoko, but cooler" Jan 07 00:43:58 * Mousey ducks! Jan 07 00:44:00 nah Jan 07 00:44:03 Mousey: OpenMoko. Working. Jan 07 00:44:07 rwhitby, did you say libsdl_mixer was added to cross-compile.git? Jan 07 00:44:12 egaudet: yep Jan 07 00:44:18 "No need for more cowbell..." Jan 07 00:44:29 egaudet: just for you :-) Jan 07 00:44:33 "Has more cowbell" Jan 07 00:44:34 But I need for cowbell! Jan 07 00:44:34 heh Jan 07 00:44:36 heh but they did so much more work Jan 07 00:44:42 thanks :P but I can't find it ? Jan 07 00:44:49 "WebOS-Internals: Time To Port All Your iPhone Apps" Jan 07 00:44:56 there we go :) Jan 07 00:44:57 i know, i know, another brand reference Jan 07 00:45:36 rwhitby: Openmoko and working are an oxymoron Jan 07 00:45:50 Sargun_Screen: exactly Jan 07 00:46:29 "WebOS-Internals: When Free Software Attacks" Jan 07 00:46:31 but they weere way more open Jan 07 00:46:39 rwhitby: Have you used the n900. Jan 07 00:46:43 yeah they were Jan 07 00:46:50 Sargun_Screen: bah maemo. the n810 was better Jan 07 00:47:01 the n900 is a step backwards from the n810 Jan 07 00:47:10 is it really ? Jan 07 00:47:30 Mousey: you from uk? Jan 07 00:47:31 Rick_work: so Dieter gets a press pass, but not webos-internals! Jan 07 00:47:32 keyboard and screen are smaller, GSM radio raises the price 200, and takes it from being an internet tablet to a phone Jan 07 00:47:45 zsoc: no Jan 07 00:47:52 in soviet russia,your phone opens you Jan 07 00:47:52 rwhitby: Doesn't Dieter work for Samsung now? Jan 07 00:48:17 * rwhitby doesn't get the connection Jan 07 00:48:22 i thought precentral = blogging = journalism .. webos internals doesn't blog ? Jan 07 00:48:42 bpadalino: twitter is the new blogging Jan 07 00:48:42 "WebOS-Internals: Know Everything" Jan 07 00:48:45 bpadalino they mean big name press Jan 07 00:48:54 woo Jan 07 00:48:55 for ces anyway Jan 07 00:48:57 didn't see that coming Jan 07 00:49:10 zsoc: that's the best contender so far Jan 07 00:49:15 understandable .. Jan 07 00:49:24 poor zelazny Jan 07 00:49:34 "WebOS-Internals: Access Your Device" Jan 07 00:49:46 "WebOS-Internals: It's YOUR Phone" Jan 07 00:49:59 we're choosing a new slogan ? Jan 07 00:50:14 bpadalino: what's the old one? Jan 07 00:50:17 "WebOS-Internals: More Eyes, Less Bugs" Jan 07 00:50:40 WebOS-Internals: Jan 07 00:50:41 bpadalino: we're making a banner for SCALE Jan 07 00:50:47 ah gotcha Jan 07 00:51:02 lul Jan 07 00:51:06 "WebOS-Internals: Linux In Your Pocket" Jan 07 00:51:06 but creating a tag-line at the same time Jan 07 00:51:25 bpadalino: current leader is "Super. Open. Phones.", current contender is "Know Everything" Jan 07 00:51:27 "WebOS-Internals: Linux In Your Palm" Jan 07 00:51:46 ooh Jan 07 00:51:51 "WebOS-Internals: Putting Linux In Your Palm" Jan 07 00:51:53 webos-internals: because phone is just the beginning Jan 07 00:52:13 there. i think that's the best i'll be able to do Jan 07 00:52:19 three words is really the max for a tag-line Jan 07 00:52:20 * Mousey knows his limits Jan 07 00:52:53 "Webos-internals: Doesn't know its limits" Jan 07 00:53:07 "Don't forget to tip your guide" is a good tagline for when you post to precentral so they remember to donate Jan 07 00:53:07 "WebOS-Internals: Shoving Linux In A Palm" Jan 07 00:53:10 * bhuey eager to hear what comes out at CES Jan 07 00:53:29 Mousey: linux is already there Jan 07 00:53:30 "WebOS-Internals: Foisting Linux Off On Palm" Jan 07 00:53:32 oh Jan 07 00:53:33 or "why settle for phone?" Jan 07 00:53:44 "WebOS-Internals: Don't Settle" Jan 07 00:54:06 your phone, smarter Jan 07 00:54:17 bhu Palm CFiles Chapter 11? Jan 07 00:54:20 i see webos-internals as a guide to help you not only get more from your phone, but to document how palm did something and let you do things too .. Jan 07 00:54:23 "WebOS-Internals: Putting the SMART in SmartPhone" Jan 07 00:54:40 Smartphone is so 2009 ... Jan 07 00:54:42 "WebOS-Internals: Saving Palm's Ass" Jan 07 00:54:50 it's superphone now guys, just ask Google. Jan 07 00:54:58 ugh Jan 07 00:54:59 lame Jan 07 00:55:06 "WebOS-Internals: Hardware Keyboards, FTW" Jan 07 00:55:17 that won't catch on Jan 07 00:55:31 destinal-pre: bet you it does Jan 07 00:55:34 "WebOS-Internals: Doesn't Void Warranties" Jan 07 00:55:46 hey guys my friend just got the new Google super phone Jan 07 00:55:49 wait, maybe that's a bad idea Jan 07 00:56:01 "WebOS-Internals: Even More Super" Jan 07 00:56:06 "Super. Open. Phones.", "Know Everything", "Your Phone, Smarter" Jan 07 00:56:17 webosinternals: get some Jan 07 00:56:19 lol Jan 07 00:56:20 i like the first one Jan 07 00:56:47 "WebOS-Internals: Palm, Opened Wide" Jan 07 00:56:56 WebOS-Internals: The chicks digg it... Jan 07 00:56:56 lol Jan 07 00:56:57 lol Jan 07 00:57:13 now in pink Jan 07 00:57:20 "WebOS-Internals: The New Pink" Jan 07 00:57:20 heh Jan 07 00:57:34 hahah Jan 07 00:57:39 They do not dig it. Jan 07 00:57:48 1 or 3 imo Jan 07 00:57:59 "WebOS-Internals: Go On, Hack It" Jan 07 00:58:10 "WebOS-Internals: It Blends" Jan 07 00:58:14 portable penguin power Jan 07 00:58:16 hehe Jan 07 00:58:47 "WebOS-Internals: Extending Your Palm" Jan 07 00:59:00 Extending Your Unit Jan 07 00:59:02 Oh precentral commenters, you keep being classy Jan 07 00:59:04 nice Jan 07 00:59:06 Rudementry: does he have root yet? Jan 07 00:59:08 ooh. Jan 07 00:59:15 "WebOS-Internals: Can Has Root" Jan 07 00:59:16 "Hey Palm, might want to give your loyal customers the 16 GB first instead of letting the folks over at Verizon have it." Jan 07 00:59:27 What does that even mean? Give upgrades to all customers forever? Jan 07 00:59:28 heh Jan 07 00:59:42 * Mousey considers it the Early Adopters Tax Jan 07 00:59:42 Mousey: hehe Jan 07 00:59:49 "WebOS-Interals: Shiny" Jan 07 00:59:56 chrisa: please don't read pc forums, they are worse than youtube comments Jan 07 01:00:07 I read precentral comments sometimes Jan 07 01:00:09 and they are amazing Jan 07 01:00:12 whitby I was jokin, just wanted to use the word super phone in a sentence. Jan 07 01:00:14 Engadget trumps them usually though Jan 07 01:00:22 "WebOS-Internals: Root Your Palm" Jan 07 01:00:24 zsoc: no, these are front-page comments - they are even worse than the forums, cause you don't need to work out how to register first. Jan 07 01:00:49 ouch Jan 07 01:01:24 rwhitby, make stage supposed to give me /usr/local/include ? Jan 07 01:02:16 egaudet it's virtual Jan 07 01:02:21 egaudet: nope, preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/include (which gets mapped to that by sb2) Jan 07 01:02:39 yea I only have lib hmm Jan 07 01:02:55 egaudet: only some packages stage includes Jan 07 01:03:06 (since it's extra work for me to do so) Jan 07 01:03:13 staging the libs is trivial Jan 07 01:03:14 do you run sb2 -M mapping file na,e Jan 07 01:03:19 yea Jan 07 01:03:29 I have the lib/ but no include for SDL Jan 07 01:04:42 check the folder it maps to Jan 07 01:04:59 err directory Jan 07 01:05:12 "WebOS-Internals: Lending Palm A Hand" Jan 07 01:05:16 ^_^ Jan 07 01:05:34 does the Palm SDK allow sending SMS? Jan 07 01:06:55 #webos is more likely to know Jan 07 01:08:44 rehowdy Jan 07 01:08:55 hey Jan 07 01:09:20 can you run an arm binary in the sb2 setup? Jan 07 01:09:31 yeah Jan 07 01:09:33 it uses qemu Jan 07 01:09:47 it uses qemu-user-arm so yeah Jan 07 01:09:55 is there an environment var I need to set up for it to find the shared library it just built with? Jan 07 01:10:12 egaudet: LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jan 07 01:10:20 egaudet: or build with -Wl,-rpath=path/to/shared/lib Jan 07 01:10:47 egaudet: whatcha up to? Jan 07 01:10:53 see triangle of doom on wiki Jan 07 01:10:59 for example Jan 07 01:11:11 that terrible code?! Jan 07 01:11:24 hehe Jan 07 01:12:06 CFLAGS=-Wl,-rpath=/usr/local/lib ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local/lib Jan 07 01:12:12 is that the preferred setup Jan 07 01:13:00 do you need that -rpath with configure ? Jan 07 01:13:09 you don't Jan 07 01:13:30 see building doom on wiku Jan 07 01:13:33 wiki Jan 07 01:14:03 just ./configure sdl prefix Jan 07 01:14:13 well what I'm building doesn't work for that Jan 07 01:14:23 dtzWill: how much longer you here for? Jan 07 01:14:25 it can't find zlib when it tries to run conftest that it built with zlib Jan 07 01:14:32 but it works if I use the rpath Jan 07 01:14:34 egaudet what are you building Jan 07 01:14:38 zsnes Jan 07 01:14:41 ug Jan 07 01:14:44 "trying" Jan 07 01:14:46 it should work Jan 07 01:15:01 maybe the configure script is sub-optimal Jan 07 01:15:15 [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] egaudet@egaudet-ubuntu src $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jan 07 01:15:15 /usr/lib/libsb2:/usr/lib64/libsb2:/usr/lib32/libsb2:/emul/lib64/libsb2:/emul/lib32/libsb2:/usr/lib/libfakeroot:/usr/lib64/libfakeroot:/usr/lib32/libfakeroot Jan 07 01:15:25 configure scripts are only as good as the tools that created them Jan 07 01:15:39 so far they all suck! Jan 07 01:15:48 zsoc: i should be here for some time, why? Jan 07 01:16:00 * Mousey downloads freeciv source Jan 07 01:16:04 zsoc: other than i'll probably get some food soon :) Jan 07 01:16:22 dtzWill: just making sure. I want to try to implement that thing you were using when I get home in an hour or so Jan 07 01:16:40 hey folks. I'm looking for a little help troubleshooting something really weird with my ez-ipupdate config. any takers? I teach Red Hat classes for a living, so it's not a newb linux problem. Jan 07 01:18:41 egaudet all? Jan 07 01:18:53 all I have tried work easily Jan 07 01:19:15 ryran: don't ask to ask, just ask :) Jan 07 01:19:33 I've tried a few and they all hated me, but many of my problems may have been solved by rpath Jan 07 01:19:44 lol zsoc ... well if anyone who's slightly familiar with ez-ipupdate or with the pre's network configuration has a min, I've already posted an overview of my problem to the forum: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/223080-etc-ppp-ip-up-apparently-not-running-ez-ipupdate.html Jan 07 01:19:49 but I've tried random sdl games all over the net Jan 07 01:20:17 egaudet: thats what i've been doing Jan 07 01:20:41 egaudet: there a LOT of pygame's that we could use Jan 07 01:20:48 and this stupid zsnes configure sets march=i386 Jan 07 01:20:50 egaudet: but we need to get python in preware first Jan 07 01:21:17 ryran: personally I use a cron script, so not sure. Jan 07 01:21:38 you use cron to kick of ez-ipupdate? Jan 07 01:22:02 PuffTheMagic: python in preware should be one step. it's in optware. 2.5 I think Jan 07 01:22:02 egaudet: I've need to use LDFLAGS --rpath and --rpath-link for some stuff Jan 07 01:22:07 Are we still accepting patches for 1.3.1? Jan 07 01:22:19 zsoc: yeah so how do we get that into preware? Jan 07 01:22:24 1.2.1 is definitely off the list now, right? Jan 07 01:22:40 ryran: which wiki page? Jan 07 01:22:58 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_ez-ipupdate Jan 07 01:22:59 dBsooner: yeah, all carriers are on 1.3.x Jan 07 01:23:14 right, but should I continue to add to 1.3.1? Jan 07 01:23:18 or just maintain? Jan 07 01:23:52 add if it's latest on some carrier Jan 07 01:24:00 dBsooner: 1.3.1 is the current release for many carriers Jan 07 01:24:07 ryran: nevermind. I just realized I don't use cron for that. just the script on that wiki page Jan 07 01:24:12 rwhitby: ok. Jan 07 01:24:39 ryran: the optware package and the wiki page were done at widely different times, so may be incompatible Jan 07 01:24:59 rwhitby: hey Rod. The only discrepancy between your Preware-packaged version of ez-ipupdate and the instructions on that wiki page were that you don't include -f (--foreground) in your 50mobi-optware-ez-ipupdate script. Jan 07 01:25:03 I wonder what triggers a webos device to check for updates. my phone still hasn't noticed 1.3.5.1 (not that I mind) Jan 07 01:25:17 just lets try to port for 1351 if they don't include Jan 07 01:25:34 so we don't get old ver only patches Jan 07 01:25:44 ryran: that's true. I don't use the optware package. Jan 07 01:25:46 jacques: I don't actually know, but I'd guess it's a cron job based on a random number.. pretty easy to find out I suppose Jan 07 01:25:47 bah zsnes has x86 asm Jan 07 01:25:57 lol Jan 07 01:25:59 ryran: the optware package is meant to be self-contained, no other scripts required, but it could easily be incomplete. Jan 07 01:26:00 asm yay :P Jan 07 01:26:31 ryran: tell me what should be in the optware package to make it all work automatically out of the box, and it shall be so. Jan 07 01:26:42 egaudet: so did quake :) Jan 07 01:27:02 rwhitby: I would tell you, but I CAN'T get it to work automatically. have you not tried it on your own phone? I assumed.. since you packaged it.. ;) Jan 07 01:27:08 the asm is frequensly optional Jan 07 01:27:25 egaudet: I got snes9x working but it uses oss sound alas Jan 07 01:27:26 ryran: assuming that packaging means it's working perfectly is not a safe assumption ;-) Jan 07 01:27:38 rwhitby: it works if I run your script. or if I call ez-ipupdate manually myself. otherwise, I never update my ddns Jan 07 01:27:46 lol Jan 07 01:28:00 boo Jan 07 01:28:03 destinal-pre: what was the performance like? what did you get to run in it? Jan 07 01:28:08 working without sound is better than not working at all though Jan 07 01:28:15 zelda link to past Jan 07 01:28:19 ran fast Jan 07 01:28:21 ryran: I found out that my cellular provider blocks incoming connections, so there was no way I could really test it well. Jan 07 01:28:33 but no launcher to choose roms Jan 07 01:28:40 rwhitby: PS: one other thing I think is missing in your preware packaging of ez-ipupdate -- you don't do a mkdir on /opt/var/run Jan 07 01:28:47 (but that's not my problem) Jan 07 01:28:56 rwhitby: how far did you get aon sdlmame? Jan 07 01:28:57 rwhitby: OH. I see. Jan 07 01:29:16 jacques: it's in cross-compile.git - problem in linking Jan 07 01:29:38 rwhitby are you natted? Jan 07 01:29:45 on pre Jan 07 01:30:03 destinal-pre: Vodaphone is the only .au provider that NATs Jan 07 01:30:28 anyone planning to port mplayer now we have SDL? Jan 07 01:31:50 freakout do you have 135 now? Jan 07 01:32:13 destinal-pre: god, I wish Jan 07 01:32:56 rwhitby: i ran into problems last night with ubuntu so im trying to fix those now Jan 07 01:33:08 atlanta: any luxk on keymap Jan 07 01:34:14 destinal-pre: ubuntu freaked out on me in the VM Jan 07 01:34:21 with some space issues im redoing it now Jan 07 01:36:05 atalnta. you porting mame? Jan 07 01:36:36 zsoc: time to play with fceux Jan 07 01:36:42 Bmyers: keymaps for succumVM Jan 07 01:37:17 PuffTheMagic: I still say it's a keyboard issue Jan 07 01:37:24 what version u using? Jan 07 01:38:07 zsoc: im making a fceux repo Jan 07 01:38:10 git repo Jan 07 01:38:12 fyi Jan 07 01:38:24 u got commit access right? Jan 07 01:38:41 PuffTheMagic: ya Jan 07 01:39:28 PuffTheMagic: can you get fceux to do anything but display the first frame? Jan 07 01:39:48 i will let you know Jan 07 01:40:01 what version were you using? Jan 07 01:40:04 and what rom? Jan 07 01:40:35 PuffTheMagic: I tried the latest package and also the git (or svn), and I tried smb1 and zelda1 Jan 07 01:41:56 zsoc: does same work on pc compiled same way? Jan 07 01:42:18 Sooooo, that's a negatory on mplayer... Jan 07 01:42:29 for now Jan 07 01:42:33 destinal-pre: english plz Jan 07 01:42:54 zsoc build native and test Jan 07 01:43:02 hey peeps Jan 07 01:43:11 hey Jan 07 01:43:13 WHATS THIS I HEAR ABOUT scumm ??? Jan 07 01:43:18 so sweet! Jan 07 01:43:23 is it out now? :D Jan 07 01:43:30 destinal-pre: yes I tried both Jan 07 01:43:34 frozen it builds Jan 07 01:43:41 no keymap yet Jan 07 01:43:44 GRRR VM isnt partitioning this ubuntu right Jan 07 01:43:54 well thats pretty much working then Jan 07 01:43:55 it builds but i haven't been able to get it to add a game correctly either Jan 07 01:44:00 atlanta: for rwal? Jan 07 01:44:04 real Jan 07 01:44:25 destinal-pre: yea when i select to auto parition it leaves / with 0% free space Jan 07 01:44:52 i am pumped about tomorrows CES what do you think they will whip out? Jan 07 01:45:03 need for speee Jan 07 01:45:05 d Jan 07 01:45:08 FrozenBinary: lots of fairys and magic Jan 07 01:45:11 lol Jan 07 01:45:17 i wish i was going Jan 07 01:45:35 couldnt make it this year Jan 07 01:45:39 "on catalog today" Jan 07 01:45:47 paperwork for chapter 11 and rubinstein will rip it up on stage Jan 07 01:45:48 shoot specs on the pre plus announced it looks nice :D Jan 07 01:45:51 i want to go next year, hopefully the new job after i graduate will sendm e Jan 07 01:46:20 Toaster89: only more space Jan 07 01:46:21 bleh Jan 07 01:46:34 yeah more space == sux Jan 07 01:46:39 8GB is enough Jan 07 01:46:40 yea im happy with a 8gb Pre Jan 07 01:46:45 Whats up everyone? Jan 07 01:46:57 id be happier with a bigger screen or something Jan 07 01:47:04 we need fix usb host Jan 07 01:47:07 According to that sheet, the Verizon Pre comes with the Touchstone back in the box. Jan 07 01:47:10 Which is nice. Jan 07 01:47:14 thats cool Jan 07 01:47:17 i already have one though Jan 07 01:47:17 haha Jan 07 01:47:24 then can has usb flash Jan 07 01:47:42 1 touchstone that i had to put a piece of tape on (but got for free) , and one that is actually manufactured right Jan 07 01:48:09 have any of you had a pre with the touchscreen problem ? Jan 07 01:48:24 mine has it, but i push on the usb port every once in a while and it starts working again haha Jan 07 01:48:36 like, once a day probably Jan 07 01:49:23 my pre has been very well behaved Jan 07 01:50:28 good Jan 07 01:50:52 i can deal with mine until i am sure i can clone the MEID on a refurb one from palm Jan 07 01:51:03 SERO! wooo Jan 07 01:52:04 how big of discount is SERO Jan 07 01:52:07 ? Jan 07 01:52:15 i had a sero plan, but gave it up when the pre came out Jan 07 01:52:35 i get 20% off my family plan Jan 07 01:53:06 so it brings my plan from 169 to about 139 i think Jan 07 01:58:00 What about the voice controls on the pre plus? Jan 07 01:58:24 I haven't had a single hardware issue with my pre surprisingly Jan 07 02:01:13 costco disscount is 23% odd Jan 07 02:01:19 off* Jan 07 02:01:36 I think wellsfargo gives slightly better.. 25%? Jan 07 02:02:43 bpadalino: I hadto give up free incoming :( but got 5 numbers to call free and nights at 6 for free to compensate. Jan 07 02:03:08 same price in the end. maybe 2 bucks more now a month for me. Jan 07 02:03:48 @jacques: you asked "I wonder what triggers a webos device to check for updates." .. there's an old (but resurrected thread in the forum that points to it apparently being via sms! fascinating. I'd never heard about this before. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/195925-swupdate.html Jan 07 02:04:06 I gave up SERO for Pre, I have like a 28% discount though so I pay roughly $20 more Jan 07 02:05:54 but at least I don't have to struggle with WinMo anymore Jan 07 02:06:01 i only have one phone, 500 minutes + unlimited txt and data for 30 a month + taxes and fees Jan 07 02:06:06 so 36 a month i think Jan 07 02:06:06 nah it's not sms Jan 07 02:06:08 Kyusaku: what gives the 28% Jan 07 02:06:18 with SERO Jan 07 02:06:26 CitiGroup discount Jan 07 02:06:28 but, it was a pain in the ass to figure everything out the first time Jan 07 02:06:39 destinal-pre oh? Jan 07 02:06:57 did they make you email them? Jan 07 02:07:07 FrozenBinary: So you managed to get a Pre on SERO? Jan 07 02:07:12 not easily Jan 07 02:07:21 not *completely legally* haha Jan 07 02:07:37 ryan it makes https requets I believe Jan 07 02:07:47 it is running the MEID of a different phone Jan 07 02:07:59 jack87: make who email me? Jan 07 02:08:01 but whatever, its not really worth it unless you want to spend all that time learning how to do it Jan 07 02:08:13 but my major is telecommunications engineering, sooooo Jan 07 02:08:13 rwhitby: I cannot dl sdlmame src. get 403, did it through browser and it wont unzip Jan 07 02:08:13 ah Jan 07 02:08:14 cant you just put an old phone back on change ur plan and then do a swap on the internet yourself?????? Jan 07 02:08:20 ID swap Jan 07 02:08:34 Kyusaku: sprint make you email them with citigroup addy? or proof? Jan 07 02:08:55 Jack87-wirc do u have any discount on your plan? Jan 07 02:08:59 Jack87-wIRC: nope Jan 07 02:09:32 Jack87-wIRC: did it through Echat, gave them the discount code Jan 07 02:09:56 do you guys notice a big difference in battery perf. with 1.3.5 ??? i went straight from 1.0.3 to 1.3.5 and it seemed to make a HUUUGE difference Jan 07 02:10:08 Kyusaku: I think they ask for proof now.. guys sorry for hijacking channel I'm done with the subject.. JMyaDaGod ya I have 23% off costco Jan 07 02:10:12 yeah, my battery lasts a lot longer on 1.3.5 Jan 07 02:10:19 FrozenBinary: 1.3.1 -> 1.3.5 was a good update Jan 07 02:10:26 a little offtopic but..anyone here try the new clear 3g/4g service? Jan 07 02:10:35 cotsco check anything? Jan 07 02:11:08 "Super. Open. Phones.", "Know Everything", "Your Phone, Smarter" <- anyone thought of anything better? Jan 07 02:11:11 sprint doesn't ask for proof of costco no.. (at least didn't 2 years ago) Jan 07 02:11:19 Jack87-wIRC: oh really? I did give them a story about being an intern too I think to try and cover not being asked for an email address Jan 07 02:11:25 * Jack87-wIRC goes to bed.... Jan 07 02:11:36 @ +rwhitby what is that for ? Jan 07 02:11:56 tag-line for WebOS Internals. top three contenders Jan 07 02:12:13 rwhitby: 3 sound better Jan 07 02:12:15 i like option 2 , or option 3 Jan 07 02:12:52 know everything is to general Jan 07 02:12:57 I really liked 'whats in your palm' what's that from anyway? Jan 07 02:12:59 s/to/too/ Jan 07 02:12:59 jacques meant: know everything is too general Jan 07 02:13:09 i like #3 out of those Jan 07 02:13:14 walley Jan 07 02:13:17 rwhitby: how did you get interested in dev for the pre? what did you come from before the pre? Jan 07 02:13:24 mastercard.. I het it now.. Jan 07 02:13:29 FrozenBinary: Treo650 Jan 07 02:13:37 thanks to google i now want to stab anyone using the words super/phone in any connotation Jan 07 02:13:45 lol Jan 07 02:13:54 lol Jan 07 02:13:54 i am not a fan of super either .. Jan 07 02:13:56 oh boy, palm all the way then huh Jan 07 02:13:58 and i like the 3rd most of the 3 Jan 07 02:14:04 i am a convert from WM Jan 07 02:14:36 my brother did a palm 755wm for about 3 days Jan 07 02:14:36 FrozenBinary: but I've worked on wrt54g stuff, nslu2-linux.org, nas-central.org, openmoko.org, openwrt.org, ... Jan 07 02:14:51 before returning it to get the 755p Jan 07 02:14:56 cool , i use ddwrt Jan 07 02:15:03 best thing ever Jan 07 02:15:15 I used to use ddwrt to do wireless bridging Jan 07 02:15:28 Lumiere: they don't make 755wm never did Jan 07 02:15:46 people would flip when I would bring 2 wireless routers out and they would link hehe Jan 07 02:15:47 I use tomato firmware on my wrt54gl Jan 07 02:15:49 yeah Jan 07 02:15:58 755 was palm os only. I liked it bet flew out of my pocket on the freeway Jan 07 02:16:06 ohhhhhhh rough Jan 07 02:16:27 I had a Treo 700wx, and that thing took a beating Jan 07 02:16:40 hmm quake controls changed? Jan 07 02:17:00 anyone have a list of the new ones Jan 07 02:17:28 Kyusaku: could it survive a leap on the freeway. I even looked for it like a crazy person... found back cover lol Jan 07 02:18:59 does the "LED TORCH:" app work for you guys Jan 07 02:19:01 Jack87-wIRC: haha I wonder, it did fall plenty of times and the paint job is pretty worn, I still have it. Jan 07 02:19:07 rwhitby: i'm not sure we ever had the wrt argument. i use dd-wrt specifically for repeater bridging, can open wrt do this as well now? Jan 07 02:19:22 FrozenBinary: are you using Jason's service? Jan 07 02:19:46 zsoc: I second that Jan 07 02:19:47 does it auto install in preware Jan 07 02:20:13 zsoc: argument? Jan 07 02:20:31 Frozenbinary: It doesnt work for me anymore either i havent tried to figure out why yet though Jan 07 02:20:32 rwhitby: well i assume since you worked on the openwrt project you are not a fan of ddwrt :) Jan 07 02:20:34 rwhitby: maybe he ment conversation Jan 07 02:20:50 rwhitby: when we get to binary patching, then we'll have an argument ;) Jan 07 02:21:09 rwhitby: I hate to be a negative nancy but I don't particularly love any of those three tagline options... Jan 07 02:21:09 works for me Jan 07 02:21:31 freakout-Pre: lay your suggestions on me ... Jan 07 02:21:33 FrozenBinary: do you have SysToolsMgr installed Jan 07 02:22:09 i wonder how many of us actually came here with previous embedded hardware experience Jan 07 02:22:32 computer engineering ROCKS Jan 07 02:22:33 woo Jan 07 02:22:48 btw LED Torch needs an ipkg requirement added Jan 07 02:22:56 i am installing it now Jan 07 02:23:06 Lumiere: Jason is aware it's missing a Depends Jan 07 02:23:18 ah Jan 07 02:23:49 freakout-Pre: ok nancy Jan 07 02:24:14 i installed the LED service is that what i need ? Jan 07 02:24:15 pcs gallery doesn't have deps Jan 07 02:24:18 acydlord: I know I came here with zero embedded hardware experience. I'm having a blast. Jan 07 02:24:28 LED service is for My Flashlight Jan 07 02:24:34 then what do i need Jan 07 02:24:36 is it in preware? Jan 07 02:24:39 LED Torch needs SysToolsMgr Jan 07 02:25:11 I think so Jan 07 02:25:13 haha zsoc I came here with about 4 years of maemo experience, and a bit of other arm and embedded experience Jan 07 02:25:45 how do you guys ever find the time for WOW ? Jan 07 02:26:01 unfortunately i end up getting myself wrapped up in epicly huge projects so i dont release much Jan 07 02:26:06 jk hahahaha Jan 07 02:26:23 FrozenBinary, I always manage to squeeze in some PS3 time Jan 07 02:26:36 soo, i tried removing LED manager service Jan 07 02:26:46 IPKG removal error Jan 07 02:27:09 FrozenBinary: what's in the IPKG Log ? Jan 07 02:27:17 failure during "remount" operation Jan 07 02:27:44 FrozenBinary: ah, that old one. Reboot phone and try again. Jan 07 02:27:56 bpadalino: HEY YOU ARE IN ROCHESTER WHATS UPP Jan 07 02:27:57 FrozenBinary: are you running MyTether? Jan 07 02:28:00 nope Jan 07 02:28:17 i am indeed in rochester Jan 07 02:28:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZyigv_aRc <-- off topic, but OpenGL in windows virtual box has apparently been working since last year. Where have I been? Also the narrator sounds like rod Jan 07 02:28:38 bpadalino: what awesome company do you work for Jan 07 02:28:49 bpadalino: rochester? bah, westchester is the best chester. Jan 07 02:29:00 FrozenBinary: Harris Jan 07 02:29:06 I like how rochester is pronounced. People would never guess. Jan 07 02:29:36 QUESTION: how do you take down networking on the pre from the command line? Jan 07 02:29:43 bpadalino: cool i know a few people who work / used to work at harris RF ... did you ever meet a Tim Duffy ? Jan 07 02:30:01 doesn't ring a bell :( Jan 07 02:30:15 i know a brian duffy who is a recent RIT grad who works there Jan 07 02:30:16 I just got a couple of touchstones and I'm kinda bothered with how they designed the microUSB port Jan 07 02:30:21 ryran: "tellbootie" ;-) Jan 07 02:30:48 Kyusaku: yeah but the silver dots line up. totally worth it for that alone. Jan 07 02:30:49 oh yeah haha , everyone i know that worked there did a co-op or is on co-op Jan 07 02:30:50 from RIT Jan 07 02:31:24 zsoc: thats my favorite part Jan 07 02:31:26 gee thanks rwhitby.... never seen that one before. it didn't have a --help. *sigh* Jan 07 02:31:39 I gotta dremel some microUSB cables =/ Jan 07 02:31:50 * atlanta is fixing his ubuntu Jan 07 02:32:38 FrozenBinary: do you go to RIT ? Jan 07 02:32:55 i think PuffTheMagic also went to RIT Jan 07 02:33:02 yup Jan 07 02:33:04 bpadalino: yeah:telecommunications engineering tech , i work at onecommunications at the moment Jan 07 02:33:09 ryran: I bet it stopped your networking though. there's a com.palm.netroute service documented on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management Jan 07 02:33:10 rwhitby: I am getting random segfaults building sdlmame Jan 07 02:33:15 oh, Prof Johsnon .. Jan 07 02:33:20 i had him for DC Circuits Jan 07 02:33:24 jacques: yeah, in the file2str execution Jan 07 02:33:30 bpadalino: haha i had prof. cliver for circuits Jan 07 02:33:35 hey guys, whats sup? I got a small prob with my pre. any help? Jan 07 02:33:35 ah, he's a good guy Jan 07 02:33:40 real smart Jan 07 02:33:51 rwhitby: OK you saw them too? makes me feel better Jan 07 02:33:58 Senk: Don't ask to ask, just ask. Jan 07 02:33:59 Senk: whats the issue Jan 07 02:34:10 FrozenBinary: i was a CET myself Jan 07 02:34:18 jacques: yeah, I just put the make build in a loop. I'm assuming it's a qemu-arm bug Jan 07 02:34:20 rwhitby: what does telbootie do? I assumed it was just rebooting my phone. It still hasn't come up.... Jan 07 02:34:29 ryran: yeah, just reboots Jan 07 02:34:41 I hate CES, makes me want to spend all my money Jan 07 02:34:50 bpadalino: yeah he knows pretty much everything. oh cool, CET is something i wish i got into more, i didnt take DSP or advanced circuit theory. i really want to get into programming more Jan 07 02:34:55 ryran: "tellbootie recover" puts it in recovery mode Jan 07 02:35:06 Hey rod played a joke on someone. Awesome. Jan 07 02:35:19 zsoc: atlanta: everytime while on a call, if i remove the phone of my ear the screen flashes alot and i cant see the call in progress. I cant even end a call Jan 07 02:35:46 Senk: swing over to #webos Jan 07 02:35:48 Senk: sounds like a hardware issue to me Jan 07 02:35:51 ill help u there Jan 07 02:35:58 ohh screen cover ??? Jan 07 02:36:03 rwhitby: and I figured you were joking.. but I still figured it would have a --help Jan 07 02:37:24 so who here wants to get into a VoIP app for the pre Jan 07 02:37:42 that is first on my list Jan 07 02:37:50 bah, voip is too easy Jan 07 02:37:58 but useful Jan 07 02:38:23 atlanta: ok just join #webos Jan 07 02:39:05 wow its getting busy Jan 07 02:39:15 up to 180 users Jan 07 02:39:50 does anyone have VoIP on their list? maybe a VoIP app will be how i learn how to code haha Jan 07 02:40:46 are there any hardware limitations preventing it do you think ? Jan 07 02:41:16 no access to mic might be one Jan 07 02:41:24 oh that sucks Jan 07 02:41:41 well, that does it i guess Jan 07 02:42:09 FrozenBinary: access is a funny word, there are ways to get a streaming input from the mic Jan 07 02:42:13 FrozenBinary: my friend graduated from Telecom Engineering at RIT Jan 07 02:42:15 FrozenBinary: just no _good_ ways Jan 07 02:42:21 gotcha Jan 07 02:42:29 PuffTheMagic: what does he do now Jan 07 02:42:42 he COOP'd for Monroe County doing some shit and now he is at ECC Tech in fairport Jan 07 02:42:46 doing fiber shit Jan 07 02:43:16 cool Jan 07 02:43:52 PuffTheMagic: getting anywhere with fceu? Jan 07 02:44:00 speaking of mic access, is precorder project at a standstill until Palm adds more backend stuff? Jan 07 02:44:00 rwhitby, what am I missing here? where's SDL_mixer Jan 07 02:44:17 zsoc: yeah i get something on my screen now Jan 07 02:45:19 PuffTheMagic: care to share? :) i'm just curious if nothing else Jan 07 02:46:22 PuffTheMagic: by share I mean, tell me how you fixed it :P Jan 07 02:46:31 egaudet: packages/libsdl-mixer Jan 07 02:46:32 i didnt say its fixed Jan 07 02:46:37 andf all my code will be in a git repo Jan 07 02:46:40 not for me Jan 07 02:47:00 did you not push? Jan 07 02:47:03 ok guys Jan 07 02:47:06 Also, I just realized gles 2.0 is the official standard for webGL. convenient.. Jan 07 02:47:09 PuffTheMagic: ok then Jan 07 02:47:23 xcomp: i'm not you guy, pal Jan 07 02:47:35 please PLEASE ensure that your sdl apps respect the volume switch Jan 07 02:47:51 xcomp|mobile: patches welcome Jan 07 02:48:19 xcomp: that's not really possible right now Jan 07 02:48:32 I just had to scramble to close a card after tetricrisis went off in church... Jan 07 02:48:48 zsoc, xcomp|mobile : quake respects my volume key? Jan 07 02:48:48 i dont mean to laugh, but LOL Jan 07 02:48:50 zsoc: Not? Jan 07 02:48:51 what denomination? Jan 07 02:48:55 lol Jan 07 02:48:56 not through any work that i did though :) Jan 07 02:48:58 Church of the Pre Jan 07 02:49:46 sorry ... pastor's holding a really long business seminar and I can't leave yet, so... Jan 07 02:49:59 Ok I should rephrase, apps that access alsa directly do not respect the mute toggle Jan 07 02:50:02 You have to wait for program to load then use volume down button it doesnt use same volume as other programs i am guessing Jan 07 02:50:29 I see Jan 07 02:50:29 haha thats great Jan 07 02:50:39 we have all been there before Jan 07 02:50:47 atleast you have someone to complain to about it Jan 07 02:50:51 LOL Jan 07 02:50:56 FrozenBinary: i believe many of us have not been to his church actually Jan 07 02:51:03 rofl. ballmer's ces keynote lost power just before it started Jan 07 02:51:10 and the switch doesnt turn it off either i realized then when my mother in law was talking to me and i was like fuck it imma turn quake on lol Jan 07 02:51:15 jacques: where you seeing this? Jan 07 02:51:23 http://www.freewebs.com/mariodoom/downloads.htm is what I might look at next ... Jan 07 02:51:36 rwhitby: engadget live blog Jan 07 02:51:40 FrozenBinary: I havent been to churh since i was 6 Jan 07 02:51:50 LOL i didnt mean church Jan 07 02:51:57 i meant phone making noise when you start a game Jan 07 02:51:58 rwhitby: opengl is being elusive Jan 07 02:52:02 is ces being broadcasted on tv somewhere? Jan 07 02:52:11 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=fd7065b6459064133f9a1cb6ec5059288a2b6bbb;hb=HEAD Jan 07 02:52:11 JMyaDaGod: Actually if you lower the music audio profile it remains the same level in other programs Jan 07 02:52:45 keynote was supposed to start 23 minutes ago Jan 07 02:53:02 I think luna uses pulseaudio, so the answer probably lies somewhere in that direction Jan 07 02:53:02 whose keynote? Jan 07 02:53:07 mcirosoft Jan 07 02:53:14 i think Jan 07 02:53:25 xcomp: pulseaudio is an alsa proxy Jan 07 02:53:34 I know Jan 07 02:54:31 I'm thinking there might be a way to figure out the mute status through the pulseaudio library Jan 07 02:54:48 mmmmmmmm 4k tvs.. Jan 07 02:55:11 xcomp: honestly i think the mute button is a mojo thing Jan 07 02:55:13 i could be wrong Jan 07 02:55:27 egaudet: forgot to push, there now. apologies Jan 07 02:55:28 is there a good irc app? or should i just use freenode Jan 07 02:55:30 yeah might be Jan 07 02:55:47 thanks Jan 07 02:56:11 all the audio dependencies too, awesomeness Jan 07 02:56:27 very nice Jan 07 02:56:31 in which case the only alternative is to poke around /dev for low level access...much more difficult proposition Jan 07 02:57:30 LOL the PR for balmers speech got posted early Jan 07 02:57:49 FrozenBinary: your question does not parse Jan 07 02:57:51 zsoc: link? Jan 07 02:58:00 rwhitby: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/microsoft-ces-keynote-pr-leaks-early-hp-slate-device-is-just-a/ Jan 07 02:58:09 zsoc: webchat i meant Jan 07 02:58:16 egaudet: ping Jan 07 02:58:18 FrozenBinary: what OS? Jan 07 02:58:22 webos Jan 07 02:58:28 lol Jan 07 02:58:32 FrozenBinary: Are you serious? You don't know what wIRC is? Jan 07 02:58:37 PuffTheMagic, pong Jan 07 02:58:50 whoa , sorry hahaha , no but now i do Jan 07 02:58:53 Who doesn't know what wIRC is? Half the people IN here are on wIRC. Jan 07 02:58:54 jacques: live stream at http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/default.aspx Jan 07 02:58:59 where did you get the idea SDL_OPENGLES was 0x40 Jan 07 02:59:10 i never had that idea Jan 07 02:59:13 what's wirc? Jan 07 02:59:26 lol Jan 07 02:59:29 freakout: sack a dainty's dapple **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 07 02:59:56 2010