**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 02:59:57 2010 Jan 15 03:00:00 wtf? Jan 15 03:00:04 riskable, i was looking more to use the notification subsystem in webos to do it Jan 15 03:00:13 that's a long depends Jan 15 03:00:22 and random Jan 15 03:00:22 they're doing package bundles. awesome. Jan 15 03:00:28 I didn't know you could depend on topplemaze >.> Jan 15 03:00:33 lol Jan 15 03:00:43 I guess that's one way to install a package of tools Jan 15 03:00:58 bundles by who? it's about time Jan 15 03:01:14 Description: IME4WEBOS五笔输入法 1.3.5 Jan 15 03:01:27 so terminal is even popular among chinese warez groups, w00t Jan 15 03:01:39 gotta love chinese juarez groups Jan 15 03:01:58 acydlord: You just gave me an idea for a super-cool app Jan 15 03:02:10 * riskable writes it down in his app ideas list... A feasible one for once! Jan 15 03:02:12 by all means riskable blow it out Jan 15 03:02:30 haha, i usually have x-mind open incase i come up with any good ideas Jan 15 03:02:35 just don't tell us about it before you're finished Jan 15 03:02:37 keep it a total secret Jan 15 03:02:45 and tease the chat about it for hours Jan 15 03:02:46 >>> Jan 15 03:02:47 >.> Jan 15 03:02:58 lol Jan 15 03:03:03 Well, to date most Mojo apps call web services run by 3rd parties to update or display information. There haven't been many that let YOU be that 3rd party web service =D Jan 15 03:03:18 CoolMatty: Sounds like a plan! Jan 15 03:03:22 i prefer my method of brainstorming my ideas in here and then watching someone else run with it Jan 15 03:03:27 lazy and ingenius =x Jan 15 03:03:28 LOL Jan 15 03:04:33 I wish we could install apps without icons in the launcher Jan 15 03:05:04 Just things you can call from other apps to perform various mini-functions (oh say, like restarting an upstart service) Jan 15 03:05:58 like plugins/modules for applications? Jan 15 03:06:06 Yep Jan 15 03:06:18 Right now the best we can do is have different scenes for our apps Jan 15 03:06:24 depend on the add/remove pages patch, and add a junk page and drop your unnecessary icons there Jan 15 03:06:27 ...but I want to call a script :P Jan 15 03:06:48 if you can place icons on specifig pages programatically Jan 15 03:07:02 KEYofR: I don't think you can but that's not the point Jan 15 03:07:37 If I have an app that restarts dnsmasq (like in my request on Palm's forum) there's no reason for the user to see that unless they're a serious geek Jan 15 03:09:30 plugins and services work... Jan 15 03:09:37 What an enormous waste though Jan 15 03:09:59 plugin doesn't sound so bad Jan 15 03:10:02 ...to have a java service running the background ALL THE TIME just so you can execute a simple command once in a great while Jan 15 03:10:05 running arbitrary scripts from mojo would be a massive security hole Jan 15 03:10:20 egaudet-wirc: Not if it is implemented right Jan 15 03:10:21 services don't run all the time Jan 15 03:10:41 egaudet-wirc: They do if you need to access them arbitrarily Jan 15 03:10:42 they sit idle until something requested over dbus Jan 15 03:11:27 If every app ran as its own user there would be no security problems with letting them run arbitrary scripts Jan 15 03:11:42 there is no way to "implement it right" to allow arbitrary script execution unless it's non-root user type of deal which can't do everything Jan 15 03:11:49 You could even go one step further and restrict them to a chroot environment Jan 15 03:11:56 idle processes are not exactly free Jan 15 03:12:10 KEYofR: Yeah, especially when you're talking about JAVA services Jan 15 03:12:25 riskable, there is ONE java process running at all times Jan 15 03:12:26 and this is an anemic platform Jan 15 03:12:35 java services are threads in that and don't take up much of anything Jan 15 03:12:40 I can just imaging a future where every app has it's own services taking up resources Jan 15 03:12:59 egaudet: Have you even *seen* jstop? Jan 15 03:13:15 jstop is javascript... Jan 15 03:13:20 ledmanager gobbles up resources and all it does is execute a shell script! Jan 15 03:13:27 riskable it's not that bad, really its not Have we seen jstop, we helped DEBUG jstop. Please, don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs. Jan 15 03:13:29 at some point, just statting the list will cost Jan 15 03:14:00 ledmanager is not a good example of a service that webos-internals reccomends. Jan 15 03:14:05 There's a cost associated with everything especially on embedded devices Jan 15 03:14:05 he meant have you seen what it shows Jan 15 03:14:18 KEYofR I know what he ment. Jan 15 03:14:44 I also know that Palm is in the process of defining the sandbox for native apps, and that until we GET the spec for the pdk, that sandbox is not as yet defined. Jan 15 03:15:03 and that UNTIL we get the spec for the pdk, services was the best choice we had to get binary apps running MONTHS AGO Jan 15 03:15:06 One or two apps having services like ledmanager: No big deal. No one will notice. If the only mechanism app authors can use for such things is java services it will probably get a little out of control Jan 15 03:15:18 because it was in fact, the only way LUNA apps did it then. Jan 15 03:15:29 then whats the excuse for arguing with the fact that services are not free and so have to be worth what they provide? Jan 15 03:15:33 Palm is opening up new windows. When those windows open, we will jump through them. Jan 15 03:15:34 riskable: we have c services Jan 15 03:15:41 and plugins Jan 15 03:16:06 egaudet-wirc: Is there some open source code somewhere for a C service? Jan 15 03:16:09 KEYofR we're not suggesting plugins are free, we're suggesting that PROPERLY DESIGNED services are "cheap" not free, but cheap. Jan 15 03:16:18 riskable there is Jan 15 03:16:31 webos-internals git? Jan 15 03:16:35 I'm using one now Jan 15 03:16:37 Which app? Jan 15 03:16:39 wait, plugins are free, services aren't free, their cheap. Jan 15 03:16:48 wirc uses a c service Jan 15 03:16:56 Rick thats what I suggested Jan 15 03:16:56 Ahh, wirc Jan 15 03:16:59 I'll take a look at that Jan 15 03:17:16 (that plugins didn't sound so bad) Jan 15 03:17:48 but PROPERLY DESIGNED services are very cheap, and properly designed JAVA services are DIRT cheap, because there's only ONE java thread running and your java service doesn't execute or eat memory or etc until the dbus calls for it. Jan 15 03:18:03 for raraly executed things that wnat to be installed optionally like an app but don't need any icon in launcher Jan 15 03:18:06 which doesn't mean you can't do it WRONG Jan 15 03:18:47 these discussions get so dumb when people forget or were not there for the original point. Jan 15 03:19:20 for rarely used operations that don't need an icon, there has to be a way to install and uninstall them. Ideally that's going to be a "rarely used bits and pieces manager" sort of like the services manager in control panel in windows in terms of functionality Jan 15 03:20:08 * riskable wishes we could write plugins using Python Jan 15 03:20:09 but PALM has provided no such framework yet. And it's the sort of thing that _we_ are in no position to mandate. Hell, we're having enough trouble getting everyone to use our compilation environment. Jan 15 03:20:16 an example was starting upstart services of which we have upstart manager service Jan 15 03:20:27 riskable you can, you just have to load PYTHON. Jan 15 03:20:38 which is a pretty damned heavy hit on the phone. Jan 15 03:21:07 riskable: exampleservice is the example of a C service. Jan 15 03:21:08 I guess I don't understand how plugins work in WebOS Jan 15 03:21:08 back in the bad old days of quilt (what, 2 months ago?) we LOADED python on the phone. Jan 15 03:21:26 riskable do you understand how plugins work in Firefox? Jan 15 03:21:39 Yes Jan 15 03:21:48 webos uses NPAPI plugins Jan 15 03:21:50 I have Python on my phone :) Jan 15 03:21:54 egaudet: is a 'patch -p1 --dry-run -d /path/to/stockos < /path/to/test.patch' efficient enough for a 'test patch' function? Jan 15 03:22:01 wow Jan 15 03:22:08 usbmode stops charing the phone? Jan 15 03:22:12 egaudet-wirc Jan 15 03:22:14 ^^ Jan 15 03:22:20 oc80z yes Jan 15 03:22:31 it just died on me :P Jan 15 03:22:36 risk it might be a way to install a gadget optionally, remove it cleanly, and get it executed when needed, without either a service or a launcher icon Jan 15 03:22:42 after hours of stream ripping :P Jan 15 03:23:06 oc80z if you enable usbmode,it DISABLES all other USB functions. Jan 15 03:23:13 ooops. Jan 15 03:23:14 dBsooner: yea I think so Jan 15 03:23:29 oc80z: uh, no Jan 15 03:23:41 err usbmode not usbnet? what is usbmode? Jan 15 03:23:52 usb drive mode destinal Jan 15 03:23:56 ah ok Jan 15 03:24:01 I thought "just charge" WAS "usbmode" Jan 15 03:24:19 ah usb drive mode Jan 15 03:24:33 i actually sort of miss the quilt days =x Jan 15 03:24:41 no, just charge leaves the usb in an undefined state. USBNET can be enabled while in JUST CHARGE but USB DRIVE MODE kills any USBNET connection. Jan 15 03:25:09 * riskable just uses sshfs over usbnet :P Jan 15 03:25:11 it also kills other processes, like running the phone as a wifi router, or anything else. The phone becomes a dumb drive. Jan 15 03:25:30 so, usb drive mode disables charging? if so then "just charge" should be renamed to "charge" Jan 15 03:25:37 KEYofR: What just might be a way to install a gadget optionally? Jan 15 03:25:40 riskable palm has not yet spec'ed how the sandboxing will work for the npapi plugins after they release the PDK Jan 15 03:25:46 risk plugin Jan 15 03:25:56 Right Jan 15 03:26:00 I'm actually researching that now Jan 15 03:26:28 I don't do C very well and I don't do C++ at all so I'm evaluating my options Jan 15 03:26:45 limiting Jan 15 03:26:50 * riskable hasn't touch C very much since 15+ years ago Jan 15 03:27:15 sorry :p Jan 15 03:27:52 I can write a mad shell script, am an award-winning Python programmer, and I think I'm pretty good with JavaScript. Unfortunately compiled languages were never my strong point Jan 15 03:28:42 * riskable dislikes the prototype framework and wishes Palm used jQuery and/or MochiKit as their base for Mojo ;D Jan 15 03:29:43 I can always just write a plugin in Python and pseudo compile it with freeze or even cx_freeze (if it works on ARM) Jan 15 03:29:54 It'll just be 10x bigger than it needs to be Jan 15 03:30:07 Binary-wise. Not code-wise Jan 15 03:30:52 you do understand why they used prototype and not Jquery? Jan 15 03:31:32 * rwhitby bbl Jan 15 03:32:14 Rick-home: Sort of... Due to the way the prototype works in it's global scoping Jan 15 03:32:23 At least that's why I ASSUME they chose it Jan 15 03:33:23 To use jQuery Mojo would likely have to be a giant plugin to jQuery itself which just plain wouldn't work right for the type of API restrictions they're implementing Jan 15 03:33:24 that is one of three reasons. Jan 15 03:34:01 Prototype has direct support for inheritance and classes, and a LOT of the coders on the mojo project came out of java backgrounds, which shows A LOT if you read framework code.... Jan 15 03:34:31 and finally, the syntax of Prototype is consistant with the syntax of the mojo functions, jquery syntax is more compact, but less "compatible" Jan 15 03:34:39 ok, doing some JSTop fixes Jan 15 03:34:46 Oh yes, I noticed the Java-like coding *everywhere*. Drives me nuts actually. The code is 2-3x more verbose than I'd like it to be Jan 15 03:34:50 1.3.5 added a TON of info Jan 15 03:35:01 I even have heap alloc info Jan 15 03:35:17 az nice Jan 15 03:35:28 In fact, all their example code in the API docs is *very* Java-like Jan 15 03:35:32 yep, they're going through and doing a consistancy pass now, to remove that stuff. But they had to GET IT DONE and so they had to hire what they could get. At one point there were 300 people on framework. Jan 15 03:35:34 mark and sweep counters Jan 15 03:35:36 nice Jan 15 03:35:41 not sure what to do with that right now Jan 15 03:35:42 flail, my headphones died Jan 15 03:35:49 Yowza! Jan 15 03:36:00 but it explains why the bar doesn't work anymore Jan 15 03:36:09 rwhitby: you still bbl? Jan 15 03:36:13 azakus: I was going to ask about the bar-thing Jan 15 03:36:44 At least there's nothing stopping us from including our own JS frameworks in our apps Jan 15 03:36:51 event.counters.jsHeapSize -> event.counters.jsHeap.used Jan 15 03:36:56 ...but they're a lot less useful Jan 15 03:36:59 true except that they make your app hugiferous Jan 15 03:37:04 Not really Jan 15 03:37:16 Not only that but the Pre has 8GB of storage Jan 15 03:37:40 An extra 23k for jQuery isn't going to make a difference Jan 15 03:38:09 ...but as I was saying before, jQuery isn't all that useful in Mojo apps except for maybe the Ajax interface (slightly superior to Prototype's) Jan 15 03:38:27 If I was going to include a JS framework in a Mojo app I'd choose MochiKit Jan 15 03:39:22 never used it Jan 15 03:39:45 Mostly to get MochiKit.Base (for partials), MochiKit.Async (for Deferreds), MochiKit.Date (because I had having to call .minutes, .seconds, .moth, etc), and MochiKit.Signal for more interesting event-based stuff Jan 15 03:39:55 s/had/hate/g Jan 15 03:39:55 riskable meant: Mostly to get MochiKit.Base (for partials), MochiKit.Async (for Deferreds), MochiKit.Date (because I hate having to call .minutes, .seconds, .moth, etc), and MochiKit.Signal for more interesting event-based stuff Jan 15 03:40:04 ahh partials and deffereds are nice. Jan 15 03:40:10 I'm going to keep backwards compatiblity where i can Jan 15 03:40:18 PACKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jan 15 03:40:25 and you dont need to call .minutes and etc, there's a date function in mojo Jan 15 03:40:49 Rick-home: I couldn't get it to output the way I wanted in my app... Maybe I'm missing something Jan 15 03:41:37 There's no Mojo.Date... It is just Prototype's Date method Jan 15 03:42:01 ...which is useless IMHO Jan 15 03:42:29 All it adds is a .toJSON() method to Date objects Jan 15 03:43:27 With MochiKit.DateTime I can call "stringDate = toISOTimestamp(new Date());" and have a nice human-readable date in a single line Jan 15 03:43:43 ok, JSTop 0.0.5 will be out shortly Jan 15 03:43:57 stringDate would be output in YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss format Jan 15 03:44:08 See: http://www.mochikit.com/doc/html/MochiKit/DateTime.html Jan 15 03:44:22 Just about *all* of MochiKit is little helper functions like that Jan 15 03:44:55 It only gets complicated when you start dealing with Deferreds and events (which work just like QT events if you've ever dealt with that) Jan 15 03:45:02 ...but it is SO worth it Jan 15 03:45:43 On the web I use jQuery for effects and popular widgets but for anything "serious" (where dependencies can be an issue or I need to do lots and lots of AJAX) I use MochiKit Jan 15 03:46:09 ...and by "dependencies" I mean chaining of events Jan 15 03:47:14 Like, "only make this AJAX call if this other one was successful and returned a specific result and at the same time as that kick off these other three AJAX calls asynchronously with their own dependency chains then repeat" :D Jan 15 03:47:47 Stuff like that is HELL with just jQuery or straight up JavaScript Jan 15 03:48:00 It is cake with MochiKit.Async (using Deferreds and the related functions) Jan 15 03:48:25 Anyway, I need to get some sleep. I have a plane to catch tomorrow Jan 15 03:48:56 I'll probably be back in the channel again next week to announce my MYSTERY APP as publicly available Jan 15 03:49:11 Until next time... Jan 15 03:49:13 I know, it;s Myetery! Jan 15 03:49:25 the terribly misspelled game Jan 15 03:49:29 LOL Jan 15 03:51:39 I dunno how to use pound Jan 15 03:52:25 I thonk the small change in /etc is add a line in crontab to include crontab files or scripts from /media/internal where a regular app can create them easy. or the same idea but for event.d scripts Jan 15 03:53:41 the mention of /tmp is a hint too. app creates something transient in /tmp , some system service picks it up Jan 15 03:54:26 I think I don't care :p Jan 15 03:54:34 but it's a small one-time change to the system facility tha lets you do your own thing many times after that Jan 15 03:54:42 egaudet indeed Jan 15 03:55:23 but it's amazing, everyone will download it! Jan 15 03:55:40 lol Jan 15 03:55:51 100,000 Jan 15 03:56:37 what's the web freenode url? Jan 15 03:56:50 I'm trying out pound but I duunno Jan 15 03:57:40 What's the addy to input in to pound to make it work? Jan 15 03:58:31 I'm asking the same Jan 15 03:58:46 freenode webchat url? Jan 15 04:01:33 anyone know how to display the results of an Ajax.Request for debugging? Jan 15 04:01:52 ok JSTop 0.0.5 pushed Jan 15 04:02:00 transport.responseText is null so i want to see w/e there is Jan 15 04:03:08 bah Jan 15 04:03:25 pound needs a lotttttt of work Jan 15 04:03:59 lol, i remember using irssi on my pre before wirc came about Jan 15 04:04:28 wirc is cool :p Jan 15 04:05:05 indeed it is, it reminds me of xchat or colloloqy Jan 15 04:05:13 acyd: I still have to use bitchx for undernet Jan 15 04:05:41 my aspire one only has irssi on it, in a tilda droor Jan 15 04:08:17 PreGame: did you check transport.responseJSON? Jan 15 04:09:07 if transport was evaluated as json, responseText will be null Jan 15 04:09:15 for, what I can gather, no particular reason Jan 15 04:10:31 chat.freenode.net Jan 15 04:11:24 Rick-home: ping @ /msg Jan 15 04:14:06 rwhitby: you had time to consider my email yet? Jan 15 04:16:20 You know what's better than webos? Jan 15 04:16:25 Nachos. Jan 15 04:16:38 do you like nachos .. at a great price ? Jan 15 04:16:53 bacon Jan 15 04:17:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRiMpKbGFNE Jan 15 04:17:18 damn acyd makes a compelling point Jan 15 04:17:19 parry gripp is great Jan 15 04:18:06 doesn't work on pre Jan 15 04:18:11 booo Jan 15 04:18:16 booooo Jan 15 04:18:34 boo(int)+2 Jan 15 04:19:42 http://xkcd.com/654/ Jan 15 04:20:54 xkcd links? this isnt #reddit Jan 15 04:32:22 it's too quiet... Jan 15 04:32:28 where is everyone? Jan 15 04:32:37 working Jan 15 04:32:47 that is where I am at... Jan 15 04:33:06 Rick-home: I heard you went to CES? Jan 15 04:34:39 about to head out to the diner and have not so great nachos, or not so great eggs benedict, or not so great burger, or not so great veal marsala.... Jan 15 04:35:11 have a not so great time... I guess... Jan 15 04:35:20 heh Jan 15 04:35:42 the company is great Jan 15 04:37:01 I did go to ces cryptk|werk Jan 15 04:37:02 guess it will be a better tha not so great time then Jan 15 04:37:17 Rick-home: I also heard you had a run in with a certain CEO? Jan 15 04:37:48 I had a very pleasent chat with Ruby. I had chats with some other CEO's also, although of smaller companies. I assume it's Ruby you are refering to Jan 15 04:38:20 yeah, cool guy? Jan 15 04:38:45 nice enough guy. High praise of hombrew community. Also knew about some other things I'm working on Jan 15 04:38:46 did he mention anything of particular interest to webos-internals? Jan 15 04:38:51 nope Jan 15 04:38:58 not a thing. Jan 15 04:39:16 haha, did he even mention homebrew at all? Jan 15 04:39:37 (and did you get to see if he has preware on his phone, lol) Jan 15 04:40:50 cryptk|werk: I'd expect Rick-home may not want to disclose such things in a logged channel with freakout listening :-) Jan 15 04:41:05 * freakout 's ears burn Jan 15 04:41:21 rwhitby: who is freakout? Jan 15 04:41:33 freakout, you associated with palm? Jan 15 04:41:37 cryptk|werk: I'd say ask the infobot, but Eguy reprogrammed it Jan 15 04:41:37 lol Jan 15 04:41:39 no Jan 15 04:41:47 I'm a blogger @ Palminfocenter Jan 15 04:41:52 infobot who is freakout Jan 15 04:41:53 i heard freakout is the keeper of the meat, or public enemy #1 Jan 15 04:41:53 ahh Jan 15 04:41:58 LOL Jan 15 04:42:01 that is a good one Jan 15 04:42:09 oh it gets worse Jan 15 04:42:14 infobot, tim carroll? Jan 15 04:42:15 well, tim carroll is a speedo wearing looser Jan 15 04:42:15 are there more than on? Jan 15 04:42:20 LOL!!! Jan 15 04:42:22 brb Jan 15 04:42:22 cryptk|werk he did mention hombrew in the keynote and to me, I didn't (and wouldn't) ask if he has preware on his fone. Jan 15 04:42:24 meeting time Jan 15 04:42:41 eguy is just jealous of my rippling muscles ;) Jan 15 04:43:43 infobot forget freakout Jan 15 04:43:43 i forgot freakout, Rick-home Jan 15 04:43:48 freakout: you have SDL games? Jan 15 04:43:50 lol Jan 15 04:43:55 freakout who? Jan 15 04:43:57 destinal: yes indeedy Jan 15 04:44:02 Very pleased with them :) Jan 15 04:44:21 freakout: got the latest Preware with app catalog feeds? Jan 15 04:44:32 infobot freakout is a blogger who focuses on the dark side of the webOS world, probably because he lives so far away he thinks he's in the outer darkness. Jan 15 04:44:34 Rick-home: okay Jan 15 04:44:35 rwhitby: doubly yes indeedy - noticed prices are in there now, too. Nice! Jan 15 04:44:43 Rick-home: I like it! Jan 15 04:44:59 The dark side is where the most interesting news comes from, anyways Jan 15 04:45:07 freakout: there's this com.palm.mobilehotspot service... it's interesting (if not exactly helpful yet without the right incantations) Jan 15 04:45:27 but the right incantations should be available sometime on our around Jan 25 Jan 15 04:45:39 cryptk|werk: freakout is our channel which we use to leak anything we want to leak to the media Jan 15 04:45:54 back Jan 15 04:45:56 i saw you guys talking about that the other day - so it's just waiting for Palm to put the app out that will use the service? Jan 15 04:45:57 ~Rick-home is a stick in the mud. Jan 15 04:45:58 okay, destinal Jan 15 04:46:03 unless we want to talk to someone nice. In which case we call Dieter. Jan 15 04:46:08 :O Jan 15 04:46:22 heh Jan 15 04:46:27 Dieter wants me to defect to PreCentral Jan 15 04:46:36 this is a suprize? Jan 15 04:46:36 ~Dieter Jan 15 04:46:41 although he's keen to stress he's not a "poacher" Jan 15 04:46:50 of COURSE not. Jan 15 04:46:57 haha. exactly Jan 15 04:47:15 in four days I retire from blogging anyways... at least until Apri Jan 15 04:47:20 s/Apri/April/ Jan 15 04:47:22 freakout meant: in four days I retire from blogging anyways... at least until April Jan 15 04:47:27 * Rick-home queues up a recording of "Sheep may safely graze" Jan 15 04:47:37 why freakout Jan 15 04:47:41 ??? Jan 15 04:47:44 Boot camp! Jan 15 04:47:53 ~Dieter needs a good description in infobot. Jan 15 04:48:08 freakout is learning to be a cobbler? Jan 15 04:48:10 80 days of getting yelled at, learning to iron uniforms and make beds and shoot guns and salute and march etc... Jan 15 04:48:23 lol Jan 15 04:48:25 ~Dieter is lacking a good description in infobot. Jan 15 04:48:26 I mean Jan 15 04:48:27 okay, destinal Jan 15 04:48:49 * rwhitby bbl Jan 15 04:49:01 freakout does au have mandatory service, or was this a choice? Jan 15 04:49:05 ~freakout Jan 15 04:49:06 it has been said that freakout is a blogger who focuses on the dark side of the webOS world, probably because he lives so far away he thinks he's in the outer darkness. Jan 15 04:49:11 I'm hoping to post something about a Preware-distributed SDL emulator before I go, hint-hint ;) Jan 15 04:49:25 infobot: no, Dieter is a blogger who has a great talent for always choosing the least gramatically correct way of ending a paragraph. Jan 15 04:49:26 Rick-home: choice. wanted to take my life in a new direction before I was too old to do so... Jan 15 04:49:27 okay, cryptk|werk Jan 15 04:49:30 hows that for a description Jan 15 04:49:34 LOL Jan 15 04:49:52 Poor Dieter Jan 15 04:49:55 haha Jan 15 04:49:57 freakout good luck with that. Jan 15 04:50:12 Send Rod a post-card from time to time so we know you're ok. Jan 15 04:50:12 well, there is always at least one comment per post correcting his grammar, lol Jan 15 04:50:18 ~Dieter Jan 15 04:50:19 dieter is, like, a blogger who has a great talent for always choosing the least gramatically correct way of ending a paragraph. Jan 15 04:50:28 infobot freakout is learning to be a cobbler Jan 15 04:50:29 ...but freakout is already something else... Jan 15 04:50:30 nice california accent infobot Jan 15 04:50:36 Rick-home: thankyou! i'm gonna be a Telco Tech, so will hopefully become more of a computer braniac and can pitch in a bit more on the hackery that goes on around here - UNIX training is a part of it.... Jan 15 04:50:49 ~UNIX Jan 15 04:50:50 well, unix is A lot like DOS, but a MUCH more powerful operating system. It was developed at Bell Labs and is now being developed by many other corporations. It is mainly used as a multi-user server for mainframes, although companies like Novell offer it for the desktop market as well. not at all like dos beyond the superficial similarities in the command line interfaces Jan 15 04:50:53 infobot no, freakout is learning to be a cobbler Jan 15 04:50:54 okay, cryptk|werk Jan 15 04:51:06 destinal: add in the no, to change a definition Jan 15 04:51:18 or tell it to forget Jan 15 04:51:19 cryptk|werk: yes but how to add to them Jan 15 04:51:30 to add just use is Jan 15 04:51:32 you add them by just saying what they are Jan 15 04:51:33 cryptk|werk: if we had him listening to EVERYTHING he would pick up random things we say Jan 15 04:51:34 with is Jan 15 04:51:36 yep Jan 15 04:51:45 which would be much better Jan 15 04:51:49 infobot never ceases to amaze Jan 15 04:51:50 yes, it would Jan 15 04:52:03 can he be configured like that? Jan 15 04:52:05 because then we could say that the pre is fabulous WITHOUT saying infobot Jan 15 04:52:13 infobot, palm pre? Jan 15 04:52:14 palm pre is probably a multimedia smartphone designed and marketed by Palm with a multi-touch screen and a sliding keyboard. Jan 15 04:52:17 and why are we calling infobot him? lol... personification Jan 15 04:52:17 yes, he can be configured that way. Jan 15 04:52:20 Rick-home: sure, he would learn from us talking to each other Jan 15 04:52:30 infobot, skynet? Jan 15 04:52:31 there is no skynet move on... nothing to see here.... Jan 15 04:52:33 freakout: I setup palm pre earlier today Jan 15 04:52:45 infobot beer Jan 15 04:52:46 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) Jan 15 04:52:53 lol Jan 15 04:52:53 infobot left to go get a beer, lol Jan 15 04:52:59 that's a good one Jan 15 04:53:05 beer is good at resetting connections Jan 15 04:53:15 indeed, that is my favorite one Jan 15 04:53:25 ~pixi Jan 15 04:53:40 palm pre used to be a complaint about oreo and a 3rd grade your mom joke... Jan 15 04:53:46 so I changed it, lol Jan 15 04:54:08 ~pixi is a little woman in green tights with wings, sometimes referred to as 'Tink' Jan 15 04:54:09 Rick-home: okay Jan 15 04:54:14 lol Jan 15 04:54:34 ~infobot Jan 15 04:54:35 it has been said that infobot is The coolest Jan 15 04:54:37 you guys know you can set multiple definitions for the same word right? Jan 15 04:54:43 cryptk|werk: how? Jan 15 04:54:47 I was hoping that when we got pixi that it would be root@tink -- but they chickened out Jan 15 04:54:54 infobot forget destinal Jan 15 04:54:54 cryptk|werk: i forgot destinal Jan 15 04:55:09 infobot help Jan 15 04:55:12 infobot destinal is a little girl|a pink panther|a green frog Jan 15 04:55:21 hrm... Jan 15 04:55:33 it shouldn't have done that... Jan 15 04:55:44 your supposed to be able to pipe multiple definitions... Jan 15 04:55:49 ~~~~ Jan 15 04:55:51 what version are you guys using? Jan 15 04:55:53 could we kill the stupid sed response? Jan 15 04:56:03 I think infobot went off into the aether Jan 15 04:56:09 ~infobot Jan 15 04:56:14 it did... the piped responses killed it... Jan 15 04:56:23 ~corrections Jan 15 04:56:29 can not run preware Jan 15 04:56:30 it should reconnect after a minute or 2 Jan 15 04:57:26 ~rwhitby Jan 15 04:57:36 nope Jan 15 04:57:41