**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 27 02:59:57 2010 Jan 27 03:04:04 ~aupt Jan 27 03:04:08 ~apt Jan 27 03:04:09 i heard apt is apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface Jan 27 03:04:10 ~patch Jan 27 03:04:12 patch is probably just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1', or `patch -ruN old_dir new_dir > tree.diff` Jan 27 03:07:03 can anyone tell me how to add landscape mode to my app please Jan 27 03:14:56 can infobot direct things at people? Jan 27 03:15:13 ~apt egaudet Jan 27 03:15:21 annnd theres my answer Jan 27 03:16:06 ~nullface Jan 27 03:17:37 ~ipkg Jan 27 03:17:38 it has been said that ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml Jan 27 03:21:45 how do I load the patches Jan 27 04:13:11 infobot, aupt is magic Jan 27 04:13:13 okay, egaudet Jan 27 04:13:16 ~aupt Jan 27 04:13:18 i heard aupt is magic Jan 27 04:13:30 yeah right, AUTOmagic :> Jan 27 04:13:43 aupt ready yet? Jan 27 04:14:09 T-Minus 7 minutes for autobuilder Jan 27 04:20:59 Wait, when did we figure out how PDL_SetOrientation worked? Jan 27 04:21:42 mdklein_ figured it out earlier today Jan 27 04:22:07 well... HAWT Jan 27 04:22:13 mdklein_ ++; Jan 27 04:23:27 yeah he is pretty smart Jan 27 04:23:40 we gunna crack us some mo pdl 'round here Jan 27 04:26:09 hola fellow pre/pixi (plus) users! Jan 27 04:28:49 wow... quiet... Jan 27 04:30:31 very! Jan 27 05:02:01 now available: AUPT Jan 27 05:02:26 Everyone update your patches via Preware! Jan 27 05:11:11 * JMyaDaGod heads to preware Jan 27 05:12:33 aupt? Jan 27 05:12:37 authentication? Jan 27 05:13:11 no authentication Jan 27 05:13:40 just smarter patching scripts Jan 27 05:15:17 package update 32? Jan 27 05:15:37 damn all patches have to be updated? Jan 27 05:16:10 yes Jan 27 05:16:14 whats it for? Jan 27 05:16:24 can i do update all still? Jan 27 05:16:34 so you don't have to run EPR ever again Jan 27 05:17:11 patches smart enough to know wehn they are already applied/removed and allow to remove/install in preware Jan 27 05:17:18 allow you to update after OTA Jan 27 05:17:20 etc... Jan 27 05:17:28 no more getting stuck patches that won't remove Jan 27 05:18:27 is there any thing we must do before update now? Jan 27 05:18:56 remove your theme Jan 27 05:19:30 ok thats great!!!!!! Thanks a lot...was this a webos-internals thing or all you? Jan 27 05:22:13 I'm the main guy for the patch technology stuff, but nothing is all one person. Everything works together nicely. Jan 27 05:22:55 testing was by far the worst process for this aupt stuff Jan 27 05:23:26 i am trying to decide where to donate at when i get my income tax nothing outragous but i feel i need to for all this work Jan 27 05:23:38 egaudet: will all new patches be aupt compliant Jan 27 05:24:49 sslow_wirc, yes Jan 27 05:25:04 egaudet: ony patches installed through preware? Jan 27 05:25:12 all patches in feed now and future will be aupt compatible. Jan 27 05:25:19 not wosqi? Jan 27 05:25:39 blah Jan 27 05:25:43 this patch is failing to remove Jan 27 05:25:50 QI uses webos-patches feed for most of it's patching. For the drag&drop and Qi specific patches the timeline on when it's updated for aupt is a question for Jason Jan 27 05:25:52 "advanced phone menu" Jan 27 05:26:26 none of my scripts would be useful without the webos-internals servers JMyaDaGod ;) Jan 27 05:26:28 hunk 4 failed at 118, it says Jan 27 05:26:37 egaudet: k thanks...great work btw Jan 27 05:27:01 does this mean I'm gonna have to epr in order to finish up updating these patches that should NEVER need epr? :p Jan 27 05:27:14 lol Jan 27 05:27:18 :( probably Jan 27 05:28:17 is there a way to remove something from "update all?" Jan 27 05:30:07 gkatsev, remove it by itself Jan 27 05:30:27 egaudet: how's AUPT going? Jan 27 05:30:30 no, i mean, i want to update all but that one item. Jan 27 05:30:48 been having fun with dbus captures Jan 27 05:30:55 xorg_: oh? Jan 27 05:31:13 infobot, aupt is the beauty to patching's beast Jan 27 05:31:14 ...but aupt is already something else... Jan 27 05:31:22 ~aupt Jan 27 05:31:23 extra, extra, read all about it, aupt is magic Jan 27 05:31:34 infobot: aupt is also the beauty to patching's beast Jan 27 05:31:35 okay, gkatsev Jan 27 05:31:40 destinal, aupt is released Jan 27 05:31:43 destinal: going fine except for my one patch here that won't update >( Jan 27 05:31:43 found airpland mode, dialing number (not just setup)... don't know if those are know, but i added them to luna-send page Jan 27 05:31:45 ~aupt Jan 27 05:31:46 hmm... aupt is magic, or the beauty to patching's beast Jan 27 05:31:48 all hell will surely break loose Jan 27 05:31:49 egaudet: right, figured Jan 27 05:31:54 cool Jan 27 05:32:06 xorg_: cool Jan 27 05:32:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Jan 27 05:32:27 thanks for the dbus tip... figured out how to map it to luna-send Jan 27 05:32:31 we really need more of a massive service catalog Jan 27 05:32:51 i'll be watching services more closely and will add to it Jan 27 05:33:25 I think I'll come up with an nm - to brute force of method names Jan 27 05:33:36 that won't help us with parameters, but it's a start Jan 27 05:34:13 dbus shows all paramaters, methods... very nice Jan 27 05:34:37 also i think we need a dbus daemon that just sits and runs all day every day and captures all calls then can put into something that we can use to generate a list of anthing run Jan 27 05:34:51 and we can try to navigate to everything on the device Jan 27 05:35:04 egaudet: getting error on virtual keyboard..... Jan 27 05:35:09 i guess ill update all anyway Jan 27 05:35:33 i also fixed the usb mode on luna-send page, it wasn't correct Jan 27 05:35:40 egaudet: its trying to install 1.3.5.2?????? Jan 27 05:35:49 i need to as media mode as well Jan 27 05:36:16 1.3.5-2 nothing to do with 1.3.5.x webos aside from 1.3.5 part Jan 27 05:36:22 JMyaDaGod, can you check ipkg log Jan 27 05:36:28 is it error on remove or install Jan 27 05:36:40 gimme a sec Jan 27 05:36:46 destinal: good idea, i think i'll backround a dbus dump all day long in background and search through it end of day Jan 27 05:36:55 background Jan 27 05:37:12 wait, EPR won't fix a patch that fails to remove, does it Jan 27 05:37:21 xorg_: yeah you could do it with dbus-util I guess Jan 27 05:38:01 none of its red ......remove: no pacakges removed nothing to be done...... Jan 27 05:38:05 install: Jan 27 05:38:39 istall......downloading.......configuring........ all green Jan 27 05:39:12 oh!!! failed in process of post install Jan 27 05:39:29 well off to bed... later Jan 27 05:39:44 gonna remove luna restart and try to install.... Jan 27 05:40:18 u think b/c i did updat all?? Jan 27 05:41:10 VincentLaw, EPR fixes everything (almost) Jan 27 05:41:32 JMyaDaGod, it's the theme images I think Jan 27 05:42:13 there's a new method to adding files in a patch and it verifies that the files do not exist already. But old VKB remove all the files. So you should be able to remove the virtual-keyboard folder either in USB mode or via command line Jan 27 05:44:05 ok will try..gotta run for now before wife kills me pzzz thanks Jan 27 05:46:32 whoa Jan 27 05:46:52 did just about every patch get updated? Jan 27 05:47:18 Kyusaku: welcome to the world of AUPT Jan 27 05:48:05 Preware doesn't need updating for AUPT? Jan 27 05:48:22 grumble, guess I'll do an EPR tomorrow >.> Jan 27 05:48:25 all for one dumb patch Jan 27 05:48:44 did I mention patches are evil? Jan 27 05:48:48 somewhat contained evil now :P Jan 27 05:48:59 patches are beyond evil Jan 27 05:49:03 why did I get into this :P Jan 27 05:49:18 is there a forum post or wiki on the recent changes? Jan 27 05:49:45 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Jan 27 05:50:19 sweet Jan 27 05:52:01 bbl Jan 27 05:52:08 ~aupt Jan 27 05:52:09 rumour has it, aupt is magic, or the beauty to patching's beast Jan 27 05:53:04 infobot: no, aupt is the best thing for patching webos since .. well.. patching: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Jan 27 05:53:05 dBsooner: okay Jan 27 05:53:20 ~aupt Jan 27 05:53:22 well, aupt is the best thing for patching webos since .. well.. patching: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Jan 27 05:53:33 ~botsnack Jan 27 05:53:34 dBsooner: :) Jan 27 05:54:18 what's up with lsdiff dependency Jan 27 05:54:18 Now EPR can go back to it's rightful place in the world Jan 27 05:54:32 Kyusaku, more reliable than diffstat Jan 27 05:54:38 working as intended? ok Jan 27 05:54:45 Yeah, egaudet, I already used EPR 2.1 Jan 27 05:54:46 :D Jan 27 05:55:05 should I remove diffstat? Jan 27 05:56:27 Kyusakunot till all your APT patches are gone Jan 27 05:56:32 APT depends diffstat Jan 27 05:56:35 AUPT depends lsdiff Jan 27 05:56:55 ok gotcha Jan 27 06:00:44 is there an easy way to put back the default theme cause i removed one but its still there. something not right happened Jan 27 06:01:19 you can try a full erase.. but I doubt that will fix anything Jan 27 06:01:26 repair utility Jan 27 06:01:27 or doctor Jan 27 06:01:30 probably going to need to repair utility Jan 27 06:01:35 or doctor it my friend Jan 27 06:01:38 jinx egaudet Jan 27 06:01:44 heh full erase doesn't touch the OS Jan 27 06:01:59 that's right.. full erase = whipes internal Jan 27 06:02:02 might as well wait till 1.4 and doctor again Jan 27 06:02:05 * dBsooner is going on 2 hours sleep Jan 27 06:02:16 i put the BSG theme and now everything has square corners heh Jan 27 06:02:38 something didn't register right Jan 27 06:04:10 aupt update went ok. but admittedly only 16 patches on my device. Stopped going patch crazy after several Dr. appointments. Jan 27 06:04:57 49 patches all perfect woo hoo!!!! Jan 27 06:05:51 way to go dbsooner and egaudet Jan 27 06:06:09 successfull update all sslow ? Jan 27 06:06:19 yes! Jan 27 06:06:26 nice! Jan 27 06:06:29 * dBsooner highfives egaudet Jan 27 06:06:34 Announcing the long awaited Auto-Update Patch Technology (AUPT)! Patching WebOS at its best! http://bit.ly/bDAioF Jan 27 06:06:36 tweeted Jan 27 06:06:42 you guys rock Jan 27 06:06:42 wait Jan 27 06:06:42 :D Jan 27 06:06:47 need to get @webosinternals in there Jan 27 06:07:06 well the update all is all oil and rwhitby Jan 27 06:07:19 sorry ...thaanks to the entire webos-internals team Jan 27 06:07:39 thanks Jan 27 06:07:44 hopefully you'll never have to worry about your patches again when an OTA comes around Jan 27 06:07:59 tweeted Jan 27 06:08:43 that is one huge monkey off the back :P Jan 27 06:08:51 aye Jan 27 06:09:00 now fix Preware Jan 27 06:09:03 no more script warnings. Is it normal when doing upgrade to aupt patches that I got script warning for each? Jan 27 06:09:05 so whats the next monkey? Jan 27 06:09:21 Kyusaku: yes. Jan 27 06:09:33 ok, just checking Jan 27 06:09:34 Kyusaku: Script warning won't go away untill we implement signing. Jan 27 06:09:45 Welcome to my world. Jan 27 06:09:49 141 times. Jan 27 06:09:57 that sucks Jan 27 06:10:09 installing new aupt patches aren't giving me warnings Jan 27 06:10:10 times a billion Jan 27 06:10:20 x how many tests? Jan 27 06:10:29 Kyusaku: You're not using testing feeds are you? Jan 27 06:10:41 sslow is too slow Jan 27 06:10:42 ooop maybe? Jan 27 06:11:00 tisk tisk Jan 27 06:11:10 no big deal Jan 27 06:11:15 but wait Jan 27 06:11:26 these are patches Jan 27 06:11:31 right Jan 27 06:11:35 there is a patches testing feed Jan 27 06:11:48 I don't think I have that feed Jan 27 06:11:58 I have the regular testing feed Jan 27 06:12:04 ah, aupt is autoupdate patch tech Jan 27 06:12:13 gkatsev: si Jan 27 06:13:12 hey egaudet Jan 27 06:13:39 dBsooner: I have the webosinternals-testing feed not the patch one Jan 27 06:13:49 is webosquickinstall hella buggy or is it me... i think thats what messed up my theme Jan 27 06:14:13 some crazy errors popped up over and over Jan 27 06:14:16 not if you're running the latest version. Jan 27 06:14:39 updating patches gave me script warnings, but installing new ones isn't giving me script popup, I am on the regular patches feed Jan 27 06:14:40 Rick Boatright Jan 27 06:14:45 you better do some retweeting Jan 27 06:14:54 hey egaudet...i got a bunch of apps that i dont feel like downloading all over again....so is there another possible way to remove these 5 patches that dont seem to wanna update or remove even with EPR? Jan 27 06:15:03 dBsooner: i retweeted as well. :) Jan 27 06:15:18 egaudet: should i run epr still before an ota if i still have a few patches not in preware? Jan 27 06:15:20 woot! Jan 27 06:15:31 sslow: I would. Jan 27 06:15:41 or at least remove thsoe patches Jan 27 06:15:52 dBsooner: @akumu is me, if you are wondering Jan 27 06:15:57 so I'm guessing these aupt are signed after all? Jan 27 06:16:13 dBsooner done Jan 27 06:16:17 Kyusaku: no they aren't. Jan 27 06:16:25 Kyusaku: or I wouldn't have had to hit OK 141 times. Jan 27 06:16:37 haha i know what you're saying Jan 27 06:16:41 dbsooner: that will be easier i think I will only have one after the 2 i submitted are approved Jan 27 06:16:49 updating did give me script warnings Jan 27 06:16:50 * dBsooner loves my Adora. Jan 27 06:16:55 What’s happening? Jan 27 06:16:57 140 Jan 27 06:16:59 Latest: Announcing Auto-Update Patch Technology (AUPT)! Patching WebOS at its best! http://bit.ly/bDAioF @webosinternals @palm 5 minutes agoLatest: Announcing Auto-Update Patch Technology (AUPT)! Patching WebOS at its best! http://bit.ly/bDAioF @webosinternals @palm 5 minutes ago from Trillian Jan 27 06:17:01 Send a direct message. Jan 27 06:17:03 140 Jan 27 06:17:09 wtf? Jan 27 06:17:15 but installing patches that I didn't have previously, don't give me a warning Jan 27 06:17:54 night everyone, great news on AUPT Jan 27 06:17:58 I didnt have to hit ok for all of mine either Jan 27 06:18:08 most but not all Jan 27 06:18:50 maxima2k53, are you getting errors removing? Jan 27 06:18:57 yes sir Jan 27 06:18:57 could you look at the ipkg log and tell me the errors? Jan 27 06:18:58 thanks rick-home and gkatsev Jan 27 06:19:26 sure hold on a sec Jan 27 06:19:28 27 starting now. Jan 27 06:20:21 egaudet...where do u want me to tell u...wuts at the bottom? Jan 27 06:20:32 webos quick install thinks i have the default theme because it screwed up installing it. heh Jan 27 06:21:48 themes suc Jan 27 06:21:59 Amen Rick_work Jan 27 06:22:00 amen Jan 27 06:22:07 yeah, i found that out the hard way Jan 27 06:22:10 rick-home too.. tab fail Jan 27 06:22:10 it was cool for a day Jan 27 06:22:15 maxima2k53, what's in red Jan 27 06:22:32 egaudet: for one of the errors trying to remove...it says: patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app/models/TelephonyEventListener.js Jan 27 06:23:02 egaudet: theres actually nothing in red on one of them Jan 27 06:23:12 i guess nobody packaged up the default theme cause they dont want to post palm content Jan 27 06:23:35 egaudet: just says failed ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during pre- remove script excution Jan 27 06:23:47 look for something odd like "Hunk FAILED" Jan 27 06:24:09 patching file is normal, but maybe something after it. "already applied [-R]" or something Jan 27 06:24:34 unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n] Jan 27 06:24:45 Apply anyway? [n] Jan 27 06:24:50 Skipping patch. Jan 27 06:24:57 1 out of 1 hunk ignored Jan 27 06:25:12 maxima2k53, good Jan 27 06:25:12 this take like a LONG TIME. how did you avoid insanity dBsooner??? Jan 27 06:25:21 that means we are at a good recoverable place with it Jan 27 06:25:26 ok Jan 27 06:25:26 so go on command line Jan 27 06:25:40 hold on thats was one of them Jan 27 06:25:54 rick-home: "Presley! Come here honey! See that little green button? I want you to push that everytime it comes up. Just keep watching it." Jan 27 06:26:05 My 7 year old daughter got to play with daddy's toy. Jan 27 06:26:27 @dBsooner: lol, good tactic Jan 27 06:26:28 dbsooner: thats hilarious Jan 27 06:26:29 never mind they all have around the same thing i just told u Jan 27 06:26:31 you named your daughter Presley!?!?!?! Jan 27 06:26:33 maxima2k53, how many total patches do you have installe? Jan 27 06:26:34 ok im going to command line... Jan 27 06:26:42 rick-home: My wife did. Jan 27 06:26:47 rick-home: Presley Jewell Jan 27 06:26:49 ouch Jan 27 06:26:54 i had 55...ran EPR and 5 were still listed as installed Jan 27 06:26:57 Nah, I am ok with it. Jan 27 06:27:05 my other is Ashlyn Danielle. Jan 27 06:27:16 She's the one laying on the couch next to me snoring.. poor little 5 year old nose. Jan 27 06:27:24 oooh chuq RTed via webosdev Jan 27 06:27:24 maxima2k53, OK so you currently only have 5 listed as installed? Jan 27 06:27:27 she can never get one of those pre-printed keychains with her name on it, or anything else for that matter.... Jan 27 06:27:33 yes Jan 27 06:27:42 well i just checked Jan 27 06:27:47 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches* Jan 27 06:27:49 much like my son Zacory. Jan 27 06:27:50 on command line Jan 27 06:27:55 And pre101 Jan 27 06:27:57 rick-home: but unlike naming your child eric, at least you won't have 4 others in your grade school homeroom Jan 27 06:28:02 dbsooner: wait till they are teens i have 4 teen daughters Jan 27 06:28:10 is it ok to use qi for the command line? Jan 27 06:28:23 sslow: nope, the sleep locked in their bedroom with gps anklets when teens. Jan 27 06:28:24 :) Jan 27 06:28:25 maxima2k53, I assume so Jan 27 06:28:28 ok Jan 27 06:28:45 im ready... Jan 27 06:28:53 dbsooner: haha lol.....just wait Jan 27 06:28:54 rick-home: lol.. Ashlyn too Jan 27 06:29:25 you guys and your OK-tapping :P Jan 27 06:29:26 egaudet: Pre101 and Chuq (webosdev) retweeted Jan 27 06:29:34 NICE Jan 27 06:29:36 gnight all Jan 27 06:29:38 egaudet: as well as Adora Jan 27 06:29:43 awesome Jan 27 06:29:43 night ricky boy. Jan 27 06:30:21 now answer my question Jan 27 06:30:23 in pm Jan 27 06:30:50 egaudet: im ready... Jan 27 06:32:10 maxima2k53, Jan 27 06:32:22 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches* Jan 27 06:33:19 it said it removed all the ones that were listed... Jan 27 06:33:25 im guessing im good let me check... Jan 27 06:34:09 @ egaudet: just to make sure, that command will remove all installed patches, right? So if we have some that are stuck, we'll just reinstall them all through PreWare / webOSQI? Jan 27 06:35:26 check! they're gone Jan 27 06:35:26 v3ritas, that will remove all patches' ipkg data Jan 27 06:35:34 thank you egaudet Jan 27 06:35:40 egaudet: I just got a cool idea for an app... Jan 27 06:35:46 @ egaudet: okay, thank you Jan 27 06:35:46 and now with AUPT even if they are already installed to OS you can still install them back with preware Jan 27 06:36:04 @oil: where's my ps3 friends :( Jan 27 06:36:24 hah i put another theme on top of the BSG one but I still have the square corners. And webos quickinstall got stuck in an error loop again Jan 27 06:37:04 sheesh, people still not uninstalling themes Jan 27 06:37:05 *shakes head* Jan 27 06:37:06 joshua: only 1 theme at a time Jan 27 06:37:33 well when it thinks theres no theme on there but there was... Jan 27 06:37:42 thems suck they never remove correctly Jan 27 06:37:45 i couldn't even uninstall it Jan 27 06:37:57 sslow: ssshhhh.. AnOutsider does good work on themes. Jan 27 06:37:57 is it normal for a normal patch to ask me to do a luna restart each time? Jan 27 06:37:58 do the preware feeds contain contact info for the developers of the different apps? Jan 27 06:38:06 did you run repair utility Jan 27 06:38:06 I've never had a problem removing themes personally Jan 27 06:38:08 PICNIC? Jan 27 06:38:10 i just installed the video download for youtube app and it ask me for a luna restart Jan 27 06:38:13 I've never had a "stuck" theme Jan 27 06:38:21 @joshua, i haven't tried it myself, but did you attempt to use Jason's webOS Repair Tool? Jan 27 06:38:22 I've never had a THEME. Jan 27 06:38:31 So I guess that means I have never had a stuck one. Jan 27 06:38:49 v3ritas: I might as well try it next, couldn't hurt anything Jan 27 06:39:03 maxima2k53: did it ask for a luna restart or a java restart? Jan 27 06:39:14 luna Jan 27 06:39:15 @joshua Yeah, even if it doesn't work, doesn't put you in a worse place than you're in Jan 27 06:39:22 I like the idea of personalisation just not the fact that just anybody can submit a theme and be trusted Jan 27 06:39:26 hrm... did you install through preware or QI? Jan 27 06:39:33 preware Jan 27 06:40:12 I have that one installed... don't remember it asking me to do a luna restart... but then again I installed it with an older version of preware, maybe something has changed in the recent updates... Jan 27 06:40:21 maybe? Jan 27 06:40:35 i already did the luna restart...ima check if it asks me it again Jan 27 06:41:07 egaudet! Jan 27 06:41:14 I just have to point out ONE quote Jan 27 06:41:15 from teh thread Jan 27 06:41:20 OK! (41 times!) Jan 27 06:41:20 Thank you! Jan 27 06:41:20 - Craig Jan 27 06:41:24 wow Jan 27 06:41:35 Yep.. CRAIG Jan 27 06:41:40 maxima2k53: ?? Jan 27 06:41:44 its asking me for a luna restart on every patch but of course i say later but its weird Jan 27 06:42:20 egaudet: or anyone else that knows more about preware than I... is it supposed to ask for luna restart on every patch install now? Jan 27 06:43:09 all patches let you know luna restart is required now Jan 27 06:43:16 you can tap "later" to do it later if you are installing multiple patches Jan 27 06:43:22 maxima2k53: ^^^ Jan 27 06:43:23 oh ok Jan 27 06:43:35 cool...guess its new then better that way Jan 27 06:43:42 I haven't installed any patches with the new preware yet Jan 27 06:44:17 script warnings seem to be gone if installing new patches(not previously installed patches) Jan 27 06:44:21 maxima2k53: That "restart" was specifically for AM's Jan 27 06:44:23 and Craig. Jan 27 06:44:37 Kyusaku: that should be for the new "signed" patches Jan 27 06:44:53 because "Joe's mom doesn't know what or who 'Luna' is.. so she doesn't know to restart her after she isntalls patches" Jan 27 06:45:04 I think it still prompts for the script warning on "unsigned" patches... I also *think* there is a toggle for that in options... Jan 27 06:45:22 am = average moron? lol Jan 27 06:45:34 Aunt Minnie Jan 27 06:45:46 She means well. Jan 27 06:45:49 thats what i meant lol Jan 27 06:45:56 lol Jan 27 06:47:00 rwhitby: I know you are busy doing your thing up crazy style on your Business trip.. but if you could retweet when you get a chance.. :) Jan 27 06:47:05 rwhitby: ^^ Jan 27 06:47:07 well gn everyone...thanks again egaudet Jan 27 06:47:14 night maxima2k53 Jan 27 06:47:17 np, night Jan 27 06:48:18 dbsooner: 2nd best post from thread.......da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding da ding Jan 27 06:48:23 Yeah Jan 27 06:48:24 I saw that Jan 27 06:48:33 I was like.. what? Jan 27 06:48:36 Then I realized Jan 27 06:48:39 it's the alert tone Jan 27 06:48:46 haha Jan 27 06:48:50 * dBsooner has his in vibrate for that 141 "OK" pushes Jan 27 06:49:01 I'm not sure when the last time my Pre was not in vibe mode Jan 27 06:49:03 s/has/had/ Jan 27 06:49:10 good plan....i wasnt that smart Jan 27 06:49:15 speaking of vib mode Jan 27 06:49:19 I LOVe that new patch Jan 27 06:49:27 just cuz the icon is pretty Jan 27 06:49:39 Oh COME ON Pre Jan 27 06:49:52 I knwo this is like your 6th time to doctor in the past 24 hours Jan 27 06:50:02 but shoot.. you should be used to this by now and go faster. Jan 27 06:50:29 dBsooner, I have half a mind to keep my back cover off after the number of times I've had to go to recovery mode because doctor had an issue the first time around Jan 27 06:50:40 egaudet: ROFL Jan 27 06:50:49 egaudet: My Back cover _IS_ off Jan 27 06:50:52 with all the doctors in the past couple weeks I learned one thing, don't cut my thumb fingernail short! Jan 27 06:50:54 it stays off while on USB Jan 27 06:51:01 because I have to go to bootloader so many times Jan 27 06:51:09 I don't even let doctor reboot it anymore Jan 27 06:51:20 I put it str8 to bootloader BEFORE running doctor Jan 27 06:51:34 so annoying Jan 27 06:51:41 Yeah, tell me about it. Jan 27 06:52:02 I think my screen has the EEPROM chip with the arrow burned into it. Jan 27 06:52:44 lol.. Chuq, via twitter: okay, who's running the pool on when twitter will flake out during the apple announcement tomorrow? I want time plus 12 minutes Jan 27 06:53:21 dbsooner:I am so glad you guys released this today I havnt had 1 post about how they cant figure how to work 1 of my scrim patches in at least an hour Jan 27 06:53:40 egaudet: I takeback covers off with my lockpicks.. Jan 27 06:53:40 ew, I'm so tired seeing all the tweets / rss feeds with posts about the apple tablet Jan 27 06:53:49 I use them to open up Xbox 360's also, lol Jan 27 06:53:53 sslow: Make a program for your scrim patches Jan 27 06:53:54 dbsooner: ill take time plus 14 Jan 27 06:54:04 sslow: One that allows user to select the image from a selector. Jan 27 06:54:12 dbsooner: im not that smart Jan 27 06:54:16 I find if I use the lockpicks I can carefully lift the warranty stickers so nobody will ever know I have been inside it, lol Jan 27 06:54:24 patches are easy Jan 27 06:54:25 sslow: pay egaudet to do it.. He's pretty cheap. Jan 27 06:54:34 sslow: I'm sure he'll take the wages he took for AUPT.. Jan 27 06:54:51 im also poor...remember 4 teen daughters Jan 27 06:54:52 dBsooner: a case of beer? Jan 27 06:55:09 Which, in reality, egaudet had to pay to work on it. Jan 27 06:55:13 wages hehe Jan 27 06:55:21 sslow have egaudet come to San Antonio, I will beer him up, then he can make your app Jan 27 06:55:24 see these bags under my eyes Jan 27 06:55:26 :p Jan 27 06:55:36 egaudet: dude.. tell me about it Jan 27 06:55:42 egaudet, nice old woman boobs Jan 27 06:55:44 I would love for somebody to do that Jan 27 06:55:45 the app would come up quite awesome beered up :) Jan 27 06:55:45 egaudet: Last night I thought was going to get good sleep. Jan 27 06:55:47 * psykoz stares at egaudets bags Jan 27 06:55:56 egaudet: But no.. 2am.. guess who calls? Jan 27 06:56:00 haha Jan 27 06:56:12 egaudet: Dang Exchange server alarm.. It crashed violantly. Jan 27 06:56:29 egaudet: I want to do an experiment... come to San Antonio, I am gonna get you drunk and sit you in front of a computer and a Pre... see what happens, lol Jan 27 06:56:37 so there I go.. off to restore an Active directory and mailbox datastore at 2am Jan 27 06:56:48 lol Jan 27 06:56:56 oh lord Jan 27 06:57:07 only pure genius comes out of being drunk Jan 27 06:57:16 * dBsooner imagines how VKB could turn into russian dating girls. Jan 27 06:57:21 with no thoughts of failure, the sky is the limit Jan 27 06:57:37 lol Jan 27 06:57:45 dbsooner:makes me glad i work construction...if you want custom garage doors im your guy Jan 27 06:58:01 What he is NOT telling you all.. AUPT is the result of many Drunken nights. In fact, it was a rule that we couldn't review logic of the scripts without taking 4 shots of vodka. Jan 27 06:58:42 sslow: If you want cable done.. call me. Jan 27 06:58:48 hahaha Vodka makes everything better Jan 27 06:58:54 commandline wouldnt uninstall (i know its connected to the memos cmd), so I uninstalled the memos one, and now I can't update nor remove command line Jan 27 06:58:56 any help? Jan 27 06:59:53 ipkg log Jan 27 06:59:56 knickrox1313: whats the IPKG log say when you try to remove it? Jan 27 06:59:57 scroll all the way down Jan 27 06:59:58 recite Jan 27 07:00:18 Prerm Jan 27 07:00:33 so are the updates to all the patches purely to show off AUPT? or is there a real reason... Jan 27 07:00:38 I know I came in to the convo late, lol Jan 27 07:00:52 cryptk|work: AUPT to work properly NEEDS the new PRERM script Jan 27 07:00:59 do I look like a show off! Jan 27 07:01:07 and then Jan 27 07:01:12 cryptk|work: so ALL patches MUST be updated to work. Jan 27 07:01:15 ahh Jan 27 07:01:20 wtf my post just disappeared haha hold on Jan 27 07:01:40 put a space before / if that is your first character Jan 27 07:01:51 It says the .....universal-search-command-line.patch: No such file or directory Jan 27 07:01:57 haha thanks, forgot Jan 27 07:02:45 then org.webosinternals.patches.universal-search-command-line.prerm; line 35: cannot open command line: no such file Jan 27 07:03:02 dBsooner: I thought there was a way to bypass the script prompt now... Jan 27 07:03:15 cryptk|work: yeah, no clue. Jan 27 07:03:16 knickrox1313, rm it from command line Jan 27 07:03:21 cryptk|work: cuz it don't work for me Jan 27 07:03:34 i have terminal, just im not great with it Jan 27 07:03:40 can u type out the command for me? Jan 27 07:03:45 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.universal-search-command-line Jan 27 07:03:49 knickrox1313: ipkg -op.. Jan 27 07:03:51 yeah what he said Jan 27 07:03:54 hahaha Jan 27 07:03:56 thanks guys Jan 27 07:04:05 dBsooner: nevermind, guess I just had unsigned patches as my first 10 or so in the list Jan 27 07:04:08 then continue update all and then reinstall it Jan 27 07:04:17 * dBsooner thinks egaudet has a notepad up with all these responses canned in it. Jan 27 07:04:27 cryptk|work, your removals were unsigned Jan 27 07:04:35 dBsooner, i wish lol Jan 27 07:05:16 egaudet: Spike on web server is still holding steady.. not increasing or decreasing. Jan 27 07:05:27 egaudet: gotcha, so any that have been updated recently will bypass it... the rest won't... but in the future all of them should (as long as they are signed) Jan 27 07:05:28 50% increase since announce Jan 27 07:05:38 announce of what? Jan 27 07:05:44 jacques: AUPT Jan 27 07:05:45 AUPT? Jan 27 07:05:53 ah cool Jan 27 07:05:53 jacques: gawww. get with the program. Jan 27 07:05:56 ~aupt Jan 27 07:05:57 hmm... aupt is the best thing for patching webos since .. well.. patching: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Jan 27 07:06:01 sorry :-\ Jan 27 07:06:05 slacker Jan 27 07:06:31 sweet Jan 27 07:07:15 +egaudet: did my phone freeze or is it supposed to do a luna restart after removing it from cmd line Jan 27 07:08:12 Gawww. eric Jan 27 07:08:15 you got a HUGE thank you. Jan 27 07:08:18 Me? Nothing. Jan 27 07:08:52 ?? Jan 27 07:08:55 thread. Jan 27 07:09:00 dBsooner: just read the thread, all questions answered, you guys all rock... you too egaudet Jan 27 07:09:12 THANK YOU DBSOONER!!! Jan 27 07:09:15 knickrox1313, should never luna restart without asking you Jan 27 07:09:16 See! Jan 27 07:09:23 Thanks +egaudet. It worked Jan 27 07:09:24 That's what I am talkin bout Jan 27 07:09:30 thanks v3ritas for the RT. Jan 27 07:09:30 but it froze and luna restarted for some odd reason Jan 27 07:09:38 when i switched back to preware Jan 27 07:09:43 damn multitasking. haha Jan 27 07:10:25 np. i jump when i see tweets from you, egaudet, webosinternals... ;) Jan 27 07:10:50 Well now that AUPT is released, I can push through the 5 patches athat have been on hold. Jan 27 07:10:55 Probably tomorrow. Jan 27 07:11:03 I am not in any shape to read patches. Jan 27 07:11:19 yay Jan 27 07:11:22 ? Jan 27 07:12:30 night all Jan 27 07:12:48 night! Jan 27 07:13:11 * destinal-sleeep also wants to mention that the new AUPT is teh awesome Jan 27 07:13:28 destinal-sleeep needs to get my dual boot working Jan 27 07:13:31 if you MUST patch Jan 27 07:13:32 just sayin Jan 27 07:13:33 :) Jan 27 07:13:38 * destinal-sleeep is working on dual boot Jan 27 07:13:47 k.. that's all I care about now. :D Jan 27 07:13:48 shouldn't be that bad Jan 27 07:13:51 night D. Jan 27 07:13:58 wish I didn't have to sleep, too much lost hacking to sleep Jan 27 07:14:06 I know right Jan 27 07:14:48 ^ that dual booting a joke Jan 27 07:15:18 knickrox1313: no Jan 27 07:15:42 knickrox1313: we (well he moreso than me.. I am just bouncing ideas off him with him) are working on it. Jan 27 07:15:57 So let me see if I have this right... In the future, do not uninstall patches for OTA updates... After OTA update run preware, let AUPT do it's magic... if there is no update for the patch yet for the new WebOS version a dummy patch will instead be installed Jan 27 07:16:20 cryptk|work: yes Jan 27 07:16:22 the dummy patch is a kind of "placeholder" when whenever the patch is updated for new WebOS version, preware will prompt to update Jan 27 07:16:24 cryptk|work, basically yes. OTA -> update all Jan 27 07:16:34 the 'dummy' patch will have the s same name and everything ast the real one Jan 27 07:16:45 dBsooner: egaudet: You guys are awesome Jan 27 07:17:01 it will just have a -0 revision number for dummy patches right? Jan 27 07:17:05 yep Jan 27 07:17:10 I know it's a hard thing to grasp. Jan 27 07:17:16 wow... you guys never cease to amaze me Jan 27 07:17:31 We have preached and preached for 7 months now.. "REMOVE ALL PATCHES BEFORE UPDATING WEBOS" Jan 27 07:17:38 dBsooner: this is truely phenominal... you have now made patching just as user friendly as installing apps Jan 27 07:17:39 but now.. we are saying "DONT" Jan 27 07:17:47 dualbooting something like android? Jan 27 07:18:00 I am going to have to send out a mas text message to evweryone with pre's that I have set up Jan 27 07:18:02 im figuring that iphone os would have a thousand restrictions and broken things Jan 27 07:18:11 I give them all a piece of paper explaining what to do for OTA updates Jan 27 07:18:13 cryptk|work: I don't want to take credit for something I had less to do with than most think. AUPT is egaudet's brain child. Jan 27 07:18:19 cryptk|work, that has been my goal since we were using quilt :P Jan 27 07:18:41 cryptk|work: We both spent a lot of time developing the logic behind it and testing it.. but as far as the legwork is concerned, all him. Jan 27 07:18:43 so I will be blasting out a text message in a bit to about 50 people... Jan 27 07:18:59 I set up alot of pre's... probably 2-3 a week... Jan 27 07:19:13 cryptk|work: Amen brother.. this was our goal. Make this easy. Jan 27 07:19:24 you are gonna put me out of buisness, lol Jan 27 07:19:28 but as much as it may be my "brain child" (lol) it'd be pretty terrible and useless without everyone here to fight back at me and test with me and let me vent and tell lies and make bad errors and run around loops and in general be the best dev community in the universe! ;) Jan 27 07:19:31 how am I gonna get free beer now? Jan 27 07:19:53 AUPT was like a 3 month project lol Jan 27 07:20:10 I used to set up and update peoples pre's for the price of a 12 pack of beer... now I won't get free beer... you guys made it too easy... Jan 27 07:20:16 Good Job Eric. Really. I don't mean to steal any of your thunder. You did all the hard work of designing and redesigning (what, 3 times?)... We just told you ways it wouldn't work. Jan 27 07:20:16 :D Jan 27 07:20:23 can I get the old way back so I can stay as a drunk? Jan 27 07:20:36 cryptk|work: how much u charge to do pres? Jan 27 07:20:46 a 12 pack of beer, I jsut said that Jan 27 07:20:48 now im running the repair utility and its sitting there stuck on a png file Jan 27 07:20:54 oh my bad Jan 27 07:20:56 lol Jan 27 07:20:59 unless you wanna mail it to me or something... then we can work it out Jan 27 07:21:07 but it is pretty easy to do, lol Jan 27 07:21:11 na i can do everything just curious Jan 27 07:21:38 I usually jsut do it as a friend of a friend of a friend type thing, they bring over their phone on the weekend with a 12 pack, I set up their phone and we sit around and drink a bit Jan 27 07:21:44 I even share the 12 pack with them, lol Jan 27 07:21:49 yea I'm not worried about trying to pimp myself out for credit, that's dB err I mean NBJ! man I'm tired Jan 27 07:21:53 what a nice drunk u are Jan 27 07:22:02 lol Jan 27 07:22:09 Yeah, I like credit. Jan 27 07:22:10 I had one guy who was a super "alcohol i bad" kinda guy pay me 20 bucks, but that was his idea Jan 27 07:22:13 I'm a credit whore. Jan 27 07:22:21 last night it was like 3Am and I said tomorrow I'm going to bed at 10PM Jan 27 07:22:38 Kids, don't do drugs ..mmmmk.. cuz drugs are bad...mmmkkk Jan 27 07:22:52 yeah, last night I got 2 hours Jan 27 07:22:58 and all day today i was saying, I am done by 9pm Jan 27 07:23:08 wait I said the same thing the night before Jan 27 07:24:05 ok.. I can't stay awake any longer Jan 27 07:24:07 I must sleep Jan 27 07:24:16 if anything breaks... well.. Jan 27 07:24:19 tell them to wait Jan 27 07:24:25 ok, so back to my idea from earlier... do the feeds that preware uses have contact info for the developer? Jan 27 07:24:35 cryptk|work: yes Jan 27 07:24:43 dBsooner: is it an email address? Jan 27 07:24:49 cryptk|work: if they supplied it Jan 27 07:24:54 cryptk|work: and chose to have it given out Jan 27 07:24:54 hrm... Jan 27 07:25:33 Shoot! I have Watch DOG tomorrow at my Girls' school. Jan 27 07:25:40 All day at the elementary volunteering. Jan 27 07:25:45 Night ya'll Jan 27 07:26:02 goodnight dbsooner! thanks for everything you did with the AUPT! Jan 27 07:26:04 I am thinking of a "Bug Report" app... you open it and it gives you a list of patches/apps you have installed (that have contact info). Tap on the app you are having a problem with and fill out a bug report... then it fires off an email to the developer of that app/patch Jan 27 07:26:42 g'night dBsooner Jan 27 07:26:48 cryptk: it's kinda included in PreWare. If you open any app & tap the author, it opens the email app Jan 27 07:27:23 no problem guys. My part was just stress of having to fry my pre out over and over again with doctors and ota testing. Jan 27 07:27:40 yes, I know, but this would pre-fill the email with pertinant info... device (pre/pixi (plus), WebOS version, App Version etc... Jan 27 07:28:01 cryptk|work, if they supply an email (like I do for VKB) you can just tap the email from preware to send them an email/bug report Jan 27 07:28:18 so it would hopefully give all of the info required instead of people jsut submitting emails saying "your app/patch/whatever doesn't work" Jan 27 07:28:41 pre-fill is a good idea though Jan 27 07:28:41 egaudet: does it automatically put in required into in that email? Jan 27 07:28:48 it only pre-fills the subject i think Jan 27 07:29:00 @cryptk, ah, yeah, that would be more helpful instead of shooting an email back asking for the info. I only have like a patch or two that's foolproof so i don't get emails about issues Jan 27 07:29:00 egaudet: so maybe instead of making a seperate app, jsut include that into preware Jan 27 07:29:21 oh yea and AUPT now has logging to /media/internal/webos-patches.log so I can see all your crazy patch history when you have an issue and I ask for your log! :P Jan 27 07:29:32 or when I tell you to send your log to dBsooner cuz I'm tired :P Jan 27 07:29:40 egaudet : have u been blessed with 1.4 yet? Jan 27 07:29:44 cryptk|work, it is a good idea Jan 27 07:29:48 what's 1.4? Jan 27 07:29:52 1.4? Jan 27 07:29:53 lol Jan 27 07:29:56 maybe add a "bug report" link into each app that has contact info, if you tap the author it opens blank email, tap bug report and it pre-fills Jan 27 07:29:57 thats a yes Jan 27 07:30:09 * dBsooner wants 1.4 Jan 27 07:30:19 1.4 hours of sleep that is Jan 27 07:30:20 * cryptk|work thinks the cake is a lie... so is 1.4 Jan 27 07:30:54 egaudet : so if no 1.4 how are u certain aupt will work with 1.4? Jan 27 07:31:07 maybe hes god Jan 27 07:31:11 nothing is ever certain Jan 27 07:31:13 the first rule of 1.4 is that you don't talk about 1.4 Jan 27 07:31:19 JMyaDaGod: because we doctor back to 1.3.1 Jan 27 07:31:20 but the logic in the aupt is pretty sturdy Jan 27 07:31:24 JMyaDaGod: they never know, look at what happened with 1.3.5 Jan 27 07:31:24 install a crapload of patches Jan 27 07:31:27 and OTA to 1.3.5.1 Jan 27 07:31:31 lets have a nickname for 1.4 then. Jan 27 07:31:33 it's not about the version of webos, patches are about the stock files changing Jan 27 07:31:52 and unless palm drastically alters their package distributions, there won't be wide spread problems Jan 27 07:32:06 either the code to be modified is there, or it isn't, if it is there, it gets modified... if it isn't then it throws an error... pretty simple logic really Jan 27 07:32:10 yeah, we can call it, "Not_gonna_talk_about_it_in_this_channel"? Jan 27 07:32:45 ok got my VKB back now Jan 27 07:32:51 AUPT says "hmm i touched this file when the stock palm md5sum was this but now the stock palm md5sum is something else, so my patch changes were overwritten" Jan 27 07:33:14 knickrox1313: just FYI, people who are in the early-release program are not allowed to talk about the new versions of WebOS at all, to anyone... except for palm... if they get caught it is pretty much immediate removal from the program... so it is best to not even ask people Jan 27 07:33:44 my bad ...... Jan 27 07:33:55 JMyaDaGod: no biggie Jan 27 07:33:57 oh i know. im joking about it with you guys Jan 27 07:34:24 i can tell its sacred information Jan 27 07:34:35 so my phone dropped 13% battery updating all my patches, lol Jan 27 07:34:48 egaudet: I have a deal for you. Jan 27 07:34:56 but if you want to know about some of the great changes in 1.4, watch the hour long Palm CES video Jan 27 07:35:06 they talk about a coupl things in that Jan 27 07:35:24 the one downfall of AUPT is that it isn't terribly efficient, I didn't take the time to check most-use case first so update-all after OTA may take a fair amount of time Jan 27 07:35:31 like up to :30 per patch Jan 27 07:35:56 with the checks AUPT is a little slower at removing/installing but more forgiving Jan 27 07:35:58 Like there were some times where Eric and I would hit "update all" and watch a football game Jan 27 07:36:00 went pretty fast for me i thought it would take longer Jan 27 07:36:06 and at halftime check to see it was done Jan 27 07:36:10 lol Jan 27 07:36:27 egaudet: Deal is.. we BOTh need SLEEP Jan 27 07:36:33 you MUSt get off the computer too Jan 27 07:36:41 dBsooner: but you guys were doing it while testing, so you probably had damn near every patch installed right? Jan 27 07:36:50 cryptk|work: right Jan 27 07:36:56 ~140 Jan 27 07:36:56 30 seconds apatch was the normal Jan 27 07:36:59 Congrats guys on a successful launch! im outta here....night Jan 27 07:37:01 so 140 * .5 Jan 27 07:37:04 = 70 mins Jan 27 07:37:10 nice sslow Jan 27 07:37:12 btw, dBsooner I thought you were going to bed... gotta be at your daughters school tomorrow... remember... LOL Jan 27 07:37:14 night Jan 27 07:37:19 I know i know Jan 27 07:37:22 haha Jan 27 07:37:23 but I won't go untill eric goes Jan 27 07:37:27 damn pulseaudio takes a lot of CPU Jan 27 07:37:29 because he needs sleep as well Jan 27 07:37:32 dBsooner: GTFO, and go to bed... and you too egaudet Jan 27 07:37:32 lol Jan 27 07:38:01 I'm tired .. it took me like 10 seconds to decipher "GTFO" Jan 27 07:38:08 good night all Jan 27 07:38:09 * egaudet bed Jan 27 07:38:13 finally Jan 27 07:38:19 * dBsooner is out too Jan 27 07:38:25 night ya'll.. have fun with AUPT Jan 27 07:38:26 dtzWill: ping Jan 27 07:38:28 Night you guys, thanks again for all your work on the new AUPT! Jan 27 07:38:37 great work guys Jan 27 07:39:16 so... aupt removes the #1 use of EPR... Jan 27 07:39:22 cryptk|work: pong Jan 27 07:39:29 now the E in EPR actually replies... it should only be used in emergencies Jan 27 07:39:42 dtzWill: I made a nice little joystick post in the VBA thread Jan 27 07:39:51 with math and pseudocode and everything, lol Jan 27 07:39:52 cryptk|work: i'll take a look Jan 27 07:39:57 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2181057&posted=1#post2181057\ Jan 27 07:40:05 oops, take off the \ on the end Jan 27 07:40:10 damn fat fingers, lol Jan 27 07:40:22 All patches back up =] Night all! Jan 27 07:40:23 cryptk|work: i can't see the image, did you attach it? Jan 27 07:40:36 yeah, lemme check it... Jan 27 07:41:28 dtzWill: fixed Jan 27 07:41:32 refresh page Jan 27 07:42:28 I am gonna go smoke while you read that, privmsg me if you have any questions and I will answer them once you get back Jan 27 07:42:39 I thought about the issue for about an hour and came up with that Jan 27 07:43:00 I would bounced it off of Jack87 first, but he hasn't been on lately (guess he is still on that trip) Jan 27 07:43:03 bbiab Jan 27 07:44:59 cryptk|work: saw jack earlier today fwiw Jan 27 07:45:11 * dtzWill moves to pm Jan 27 07:51:42 jacques: yes pulseaudio can be a cpu whore Jan 27 07:59:55 dtzWill: I'm watching top while playing assassin's creed Jan 27 08:00:05 jacques: and? 15% or so? Jan 27 08:00:20 jacques : hows AC on the pre? Jan 27 08:00:35 while playinf the video it was like 15% yes Jan 27 08:00:46 JMyaDaGod: so far I like it Jan 27 08:01:09 how r controls? like quake? Jan 27 08:01:30 and during level loading, cryptofs takes up to 75% cpu Jan 27 08:03:24 JMyaDaGod: I haven't played quake with the touch controls :-\ Jan 27 08:03:30 jacques: do it! :P Jan 27 08:05:00 JMyaDaGod: to be honest, I like the quake joystick better, lol Jan 27 08:05:16 (perhaps that is because I helped a little with it's design...) Jan 27 08:05:27 * cryptk|work may be biased towards the quake joystick... Jan 27 08:07:35 lol i havent played since i doctor my phone when palm released hotspot on feed i gotta download it again Jan 27 08:09:18 jacques: you really should try out the quake with touch screen controls, it is pretty good Jan 27 08:13:59 cryptk|work: yep I will definitely try it soon - I gotta be able to demo it at SCALE Jan 27 08:15:47 yep, get familiar with it Jan 27 08:16:01 after about an hour of practice, you can frag like crazy, I am really good with it now Jan 27 08:16:43 of course, wifi network play would be REALLY cool ;-) Jan 27 08:16:47 jacques: scale? that some tech conference you're going to? Jan 27 08:17:37 dtzWill: yep southern california linux expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ Jan 27 08:17:47 dtzWill: webos-internals will have a booth there Jan 27 08:18:00 oh that's awesome Jan 27 08:18:18 jacques: wish i could swing by! that looks great Jan 27 08:18:56 jacques: maybe we should look at network play :P. would be a pretty sweet demo hehe Jan 27 08:19:58 dtzWill: why not swing by? we need more booth volunteers :-D Jan 27 08:20:38 jacques: oh i absolutely would, but it's rather.. geographically inconvenient for me Jan 27 08:20:46 * dtzWill is in the midwest Jan 27 08:22:10 * jacques is in southeast Texas. Jan 27 08:22:19 * cryptk|work is in San Antonio Jan 27 08:22:33 * cryptk|work thinks there si a linux expo type thing happening in Austin this year... Jan 27 08:22:43 wonder how much it would cost to get a booth there... Jan 27 08:22:58 oh screw this, im gonna doctor again. heh Jan 27 08:23:09 joshua: what's your problem? Jan 27 08:23:27 we need ppl to help man the booth Jan 27 08:23:27 cryptk|work: should be free for .orgs, as it is at SCALE Jan 27 08:23:28 cryptk|work: you mean texas linux fest? Jan 27 08:24:12 not sure what it was called, I think that may have eben it Jan 27 08:24:14 a theme got installed, but errored out so it didn't finish running whatever scripts it does, and I tried this recovery thing but every single file it tries to replace is giving me connection errors Jan 27 08:25:10 http://www.texaslinuxfest.org/ Jan 27 08:25:16 gonna start clean, who knows what else is broken from all these experimental daemons and extra cruft Jan 27 08:25:49 joshua: you are having connection errors? Jan 27 08:25:57 are you using the WebOS Recovery Tool? Jan 27 08:26:04 the one made by canuck software? Jan 27 08:26:07 yeah Jan 27 08:26:19 it got all the md5sums after running for over an hour Jan 27 08:26:35 figured i would try it out before i wiped the thing clean Jan 27 08:27:14 i should do this on my mac, i don't seem to run into half the issues Jan 27 08:27:29 what was the error it was giving? Jan 27 08:27:33 exact text please Jan 27 08:27:36 Error 5: Connect Jan 27 08:27:53 that was it? Jan 27 08:27:56 yeah Jan 27 08:28:02 have you tried reinstalling the novacom drivers? Jan 27 08:28:08 and is the pre in dev mode? Jan 27 08:28:20 its in dev mode, and i tried reinstalling novacom twice Jan 27 08:28:35 now the webosdoctor is trying and its stuck Jan 27 08:29:13 where is it stuck at? Jan 27 08:29:29 at installing novacomd Jan 27 08:29:47 have you tried uninstalling novacom? then rebooting? Jan 27 08:29:59 and what OS are you using? Jan 27 08:30:03 win 7? Jan 27 08:30:05 oh i can't reboot this is my work computer Jan 27 08:30:07 heh Jan 27 08:30:13 just gonna use my mac Jan 27 08:30:18 yeah its windows 7 Jan 27 08:30:28 there are issues with windows 7 and novacom Jan 27 08:30:38 it doesn't install properly, misses some registry entries Jan 27 08:30:40 yeah thats what I thought, it acts strange Jan 27 08:31:00 its installed though, I wish these things would use it from the SDK if it exists Jan 27 08:31:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 Jan 27 08:31:10 that explains how to fix it Jan 27 08:31:59 freetether working on preplus? Jan 27 08:32:15 sup? Jan 27 08:32:29 JMyaDaGod: I haven't heard anything either way Jan 27 08:32:29 whats up Jan 27 08:32:44 $40 for tether option on verizon Jan 27 08:32:52 hows the farm Old McDonald Jan 27 08:33:41 eh, just enforcing in-order execution of io Jan 27 08:34:17 hahaha Jan 27 08:34:42 the dev tools and the pre cooperate so much better with OSX Jan 27 08:35:10 * cryptk|work hates MAC Jan 27 08:35:13 * cryptk|work loves linux Jan 27 08:35:30 not the bastardization of linux/unix that is OSX Jan 27 08:35:40 im searching for a new laptop now i dont know where i want to place my faith in Jan 27 08:36:01 I am really loving Win 7 Jan 27 08:36:10 get something with good specs and windows 7, try it out, if you like it keep it, if not, move to linux Jan 27 08:36:11 OSX is like an evolved version of NeXTSTEP Jan 27 08:36:27 hmm, i don't think OSX is all that related to linux Jan 27 08:36:29 Windows 7 is definitely the best windows Jan 27 08:36:34 but that doesn't say much. heh Jan 27 08:36:44 they did put some bastardized BSD in there though Jan 27 08:36:48 i havent had a prob with 7 yet... Jan 27 08:37:02 eieio: OSX is related to UNIX, Linux is related to UNIX, they are like cousins... Jan 27 08:37:03 been running since RC Jan 27 08:37:11 I don't think webkit would be where it was now if it wasn't for Apple Jan 27 08:37:43 linux was written fron scratch though, it wasn't based off the BSD code Jan 27 08:37:44 cryptk|work, thats like saying win7 is like OS2 Jan 27 08:37:51 i wish the damn new hp's werent so damn expensive!!! Jan 27 08:37:52 cryptk|work: i guess that works ;-) Jan 27 08:38:38 swishy: OS2 is like a distant cousin that has been removed from the family as compared to Win 7 Jan 27 08:38:46 OSX is based on Unix Jan 27 08:38:53 Linux is an adaptation of Unix Jan 27 08:39:07 they are much closer than OS/2 and Win7 Jan 27 08:39:07 if only ostensibly :-p Jan 27 08:39:11 yep Jan 27 08:39:38 cryptk|work, the same could be said re OSX Jan 27 08:40:01 swishy: no... OSX is far closer to Linux than OS/2 and Win 7 Jan 27 08:40:02 Mach kind of confuses things though Jan 27 08:40:26 don't confuse linux and gnu. heh Jan 27 08:40:32 mach non FHS filesystem BSD bits and a micro/monlithic kernel cludge Jan 27 08:41:58 yah Jan 27 08:41:59 here is how it works, OSX is Unix based, linux is based on the ideas and functionality of Unix (Linux means Like Unix) Jan 27 08:42:22 whereas Win 7 is in no way based on OS/2 Jan 27 08:42:33 Its called Linux because it was a Minix replacement and it almost sounds like Linus Jan 27 08:43:04 the only thing that Win 7 and OS/2 have tying them together is that Microsoft worked on OS/2 at one point 20 years ago, lol Jan 27 08:43:27 I think windows has a BSD network stack in there somewhere, but its a black box so nobody knows for sure whats in there Jan 27 08:43:46 could be magic beans Jan 27 08:44:44 actually, the only person that knows for sure what Linux means is Linus Torvalds... and he has never said for sure... wether it stands for Linus Minix, Linus Unix, or something completely different, he has always skirted the question Jan 27 08:46:01 that is the great thing about Linux, it is what you want it to be... as many dictionaries and refrences that are out there... there will be the same number of definitions of what Linux is Jan 27 08:47:10 linux is a kernel that supports a unix-like operating system Jan 27 08:47:36 usually the GNU operating system Jan 27 08:47:46 BING! we have a winner Jan 27 08:48:00 Linux is linux, linux means linux... Jan 27 08:48:14 even the official linux website doesn't say what "linux" stands for Jan 27 08:48:26 * cryptk|work waits for everyone to check, lol... they won't find it Jan 27 08:48:39 it does say it is Unix like though Jan 27 08:48:57 and that they are not allowed to call it Unix without paying for a very expensive certification process Jan 27 08:49:52 cryptk|work, OSX is as much UNIX as linux is , code pulled from a bunch of OS projects + objc + propriatry GUI on top Jan 27 08:50:04 yep Jan 27 08:50:09 but they are based on it Jan 27 08:50:13 they don't necessarially share code Jan 27 08:50:17 but they are based on it Jan 27 08:50:22 so is windows Jan 27 08:50:27 in that case Jan 27 08:50:46 how so? Jan 27 08:50:52 there is a huge difference Jan 27 08:50:58 must sleep - later Jan 27 08:51:01 intially borrowed alot of BSD code (ie tcp stack) Jan 27 08:51:07 as *some* posix type support Jan 27 08:51:07 by your logic, I could say that a fish is basically the same as a person Jan 27 08:51:18 they both have brains, and live, and eat and breathe Jan 27 08:51:23 so they must be the same right? Jan 27 08:51:37 you have to be able to draw a line Jan 27 08:52:09 and I have lost interest in this conversation because you obviously just want to debate for the sake of debate... therefore you will attempt to refute anything I say... makes it pointless Jan 27 08:52:17 er ok Jan 27 08:52:34 damn its 4am Jan 27 08:52:43 3AM for me Jan 27 08:52:48 but I work graveyards Jan 27 08:53:02 graveyards on a computer? Jan 27 08:53:20 no, graveyard shift Jan 27 08:53:22 night shift Jan 27 08:53:35 I do IT support for the USAF Jan 27 08:53:40 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/4626d2d9254e6165/309025bcf4d32201#309025bcf4d32201 Jan 27 08:53:44 heh Jan 27 08:53:53 United States Air Force for the non americans in the channel Jan 27 08:54:02 looks like we have a server split... Jan 27 08:54:06 yea i understood the graveyards oh IT support i c Jan 27 08:54:32 I do web hosting graveyard shift Jan 27 08:54:41 maybe i should do some homework......... Jan 27 08:55:58 na it can wait.....today was only 1st day of classes Jan 27 08:56:29 nets be splittin Jan 27 08:56:46 cryptk|work: did u see the HTC Supersonic? Jan 27 08:56:56 one sec, on a phone call Jan 27 08:59:58 the first linux release hardware reqs were 2 megs of memory on a 386sx with a high density floppy Jan 27 09:00:46 realistically 4 megs of ram and bigger than 20 meg hard disk Jan 27 09:00:48 heh, i think i have the kernel source form back then somewhere Jan 27 09:01:28 I love digging up old stuff Jan 27 09:01:58 like one time someone stumbled upon some ancient versions of Netscape, I think for linux and they actually would run Jan 27 09:03:11 how about NCSA Mosaic? remember that? Jan 27 09:03:23 yeah thats what it was acually Jan 27 09:03:52 ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Web/Mosaic/Unix/source/old/ Jan 27 09:03:54 heh Jan 27 09:06:28 i wonder if that will still be there in 50 years Jan 27 09:06:32 probably Jan 27 09:06:37 I went on a scavanging hunt once to find really old MacOS, and turned up disk imags for version 0.95 but then the hard drive I had that stuff on died Jan 27 09:15:55 weird... i did webosdoctor. The custom theme is gone but some apps like preware are still there, and some apps have the theme icons Jan 27 09:16:39 I guess because some stuff is stored on the media partition now or something Jan 27 09:17:53 indeed Jan 27 09:17:55 joshua: after 1.3.1 usb drive is not erased Jan 27 09:18:02 joshua: cryptofs is located on the media partiton Jan 27 09:18:14 wow we all answer at once lol Jan 27 09:18:33 to get a completely clean pre, do a full erase then doctor, to remove all apps and patches and traces of them but keep pics and music and such, do aprtial erase then doctor Jan 27 09:18:47 good evening all Jan 27 09:18:59 morning here lol Jan 27 09:19:10 lol its 2am here Jan 27 09:19:21 just got my pre plus :) Jan 27 09:19:40 Its hard to sleep with such a cool new toy. heh Jan 27 09:19:46 lol for sure amigos Jan 27 09:20:01 what have u done to it ? Jan 27 09:20:10 if you have any questions feel free to ask Jan 27 09:20:28 or if you are in San Antonio, bring it by my apartment this weekend with a 12 pack and I will get ya all set up Jan 27 09:20:28 lol Jan 27 09:20:49 i "rooted" mine before i went in app catalog lol Jan 27 09:20:59 haha im in phx or else i would take you up on that offer Jan 27 09:21:08 btw just did a speed test with the mobile hotspot Jan 27 09:21:10 SO FAST Jan 27 09:21:19 2315 kbps down 552 up Jan 27 09:21:29 wow not bad Jan 27 09:21:39 hmm i should do a speed test on sprit and compare Jan 27 09:21:44 sprint* Jan 27 09:21:46 do it!! Jan 27 09:22:00 i pay alot for the mobile hotspot but well worth it imo Jan 27 09:22:20 lol that would make me go get lappy ....not tonight if i get out of this seat im going to sleep Jan 27 09:22:43 really like how everything links with eachother Jan 27 09:22:53 everyone at work is saying you should have got a droid...their all crazy Jan 27 09:23:33 i think the droid is nice but i love my pre Jan 27 09:23:42 indeed, your people at work don't know what they are talking about Jan 27 09:23:49 let me guess... they all have droids? Jan 27 09:24:01 well put my friend, and yea they rock the droid Jan 27 09:24:33 nothing against android but palm has really done a bang up job with pda functions and integrations into todays mobile society Jan 27 09:25:03 plus the camera works right unlike the droid :p Jan 27 09:25:08 heh i have this palm sales survey app on my pre that I grabbed before they took it down. Jan 27 09:25:23 ? Jan 27 09:25:28 farms: all your work buddies are just jealous that you have a phone that does everything theirs does... only in a much better and more polished fashion Jan 27 09:26:01 oh, and the fact that we get regular updates to the OS bringing a constant stream of improovements and new features... Jan 27 09:26:05 I love my pre , but i want to see what HTC has instore for there next phone Jan 27 09:26:26 My suster just got a Hero, I haven't gotten to play with it though since she is in Chicago... Jan 27 09:26:30 i have an upgrade just sitting here doing nothing Jan 27 09:27:08 s/suster/sister/ Jan 27 09:27:08 cryptk|work meant: My sister just got a Hero, I haven't gotten to play with it though since she is in Chicago... Jan 27 09:27:12 i had a droid eris, took it back Jan 27 09:27:28 na wouldnt go to hero.......did u see "supersonic"....not confirmed but looks nice..... a little big but hey nice second phone Jan 27 09:27:56 JMyaDaGod: I don't see the need for a second phone... One is enough for me... the Pre does everything I need Jan 27 09:28:23 im young and love that shock and awe look from new things i guess LOL Jan 27 09:29:05 im not gonna lie though if sprint would get pre plus i would upgrade right away Jan 27 09:29:19 I am gonna wait for the Pre2 Jan 27 09:29:29 I hope they come out with a landscape slider.... Jan 27 09:29:32 thatll be the next one i get lol Jan 27 09:29:41 nice to see so much positivity Jan 27 09:30:06 if the Pre2 is a landscape slider, I will be in heaven Jan 27 09:30:42 i get upgrade every year so if i would upgrade now probably by the time pre2 out i would have another.....sprint messed up and gave me my upgrade back after the Pre Jan 27 09:30:58 I get upgrade every year also Jan 27 09:31:19 i just upgraded in Oct. and have another one LOL Jan 27 09:32:00 Radioshack upgraded wrong line....sprint switched it for me and reset my upgrades Jan 27 09:32:06 I don't know if my wife gets an upgrade every year or not though... Jan 27 09:32:09 we are on a family plab Jan 27 09:32:46 so i have this thing connected whats the easiest way to install preware Jan 27 09:33:00 farms: is it in dev mode Jan 27 09:33:11 konami kode Jan 27 09:33:13 nope Jan 27 09:33:23 webos20090606 Jan 27 09:33:27 is easier for me Jan 27 09:34:05 http://www.precentral.net/getting-started-preware Jan 27 09:34:19 devmode enabled Jan 27 09:34:23 sdk installed Jan 27 09:34:56 follow the link I put in chat Jan 27 09:34:57 cryptk|work: http://www.bestbuymobile.com/upgradechecker?h=488 Jan 27 09:35:07 explains how to set up WebOS Quick Install and preware Jan 27 09:36:37 dont think quick install is compatible with preplus Jan 27 09:36:46 I think it is... Jan 27 09:36:58 did he update it today? Jan 27 09:37:00 where did you read that it isn't compatible? Jan 27 09:37:13 it keeps trying to download sprint webos doctor Jan 27 09:37:23 it supposed to Jan 27 09:37:30 i have vzw tho Jan 27 09:37:31 it just needs that to install novacom Jan 27 09:37:43 is there a VZW webosdoctor yet? Jan 27 09:37:47 yup yup Jan 27 09:37:58 already up on web os internals site Jan 27 09:38:03 should it matter? Jan 27 09:38:53 b/c i think the one it downloads was 1.3.1 i think.....because i doctored with it once and it took me back Jan 27 09:39:03 unless they updated it Jan 27 09:39:04 farms: what OS are you running? Jan 27 09:39:35 http://www.preware.org/#/install/ Jan 27 09:39:40 just follow those instructions Jan 27 09:39:45 use the official preware installer Jan 27 09:40:05 cryptk|work : do u know where webosqi gets it doctor file from? Jan 27 09:40:32 nope Jan 27 09:40:47 nope what? Jan 27 09:41:05 oh lol should have read who that was to Jan 27 09:41:15 wow that was an easy install... Jan 27 09:41:25 now the fun begins Jan 27 09:41:30 :) Jan 27 09:42:34 think i might pass out soon Jan 27 09:43:40 Verizon lost $653 million last quarter wow Jan 27 09:44:13 vz comm or wireless Jan 27 09:44:44 wireless i think Jan 27 09:45:00 i dunno about that... they have over 90 million customers Jan 27 09:45:05 hard to believe that they lost money Jan 27 09:45:21 a lot of settlements with lay offs i think Jan 27 09:46:35 http://wirelessweek.com/News/2010/01/Carriers-VZW-Adds-in-Q4-Verizon/ Jan 27 09:47:19 farms : http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/verizon-lost-653-million-last-quarter-in-spite-of-increasing-re/ Jan 27 09:50:28 touche! Jan 27 09:50:49 ok im out 5 am time to sleep Jan 27 09:51:01 night mang Jan 27 10:02:42 ahh yes much better on the pre Jan 27 10:04:03 but goodnight all Jan 27 10:38:15 and I'm back, had to actually do some work for a bit Jan 27 10:38:38 Does someone know where the wifi configuration is saved on webos? Jan 27 10:43:55 ~jailbreak Jan 27 10:44:00 ~rooting Jan 27 10:45:05 infobot rooting does not exist on the Palm Pre... it comes from Palm with a root account already created. Please read this post for more details http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193679-accessing-linux-rooting-your-pre.html Jan 27 10:45:55 infobot: rooting is something that does not apply to Palm WebOS devices... it comes from Palm with a root account already created. Please read this post for more details http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193679-accessing-linux-rooting-your-pre.html Jan 27 10:45:56 cryptk|work: okay Jan 27 10:45:59 ~rooting Jan 27 10:46:01 extra, extra, read all about it, rooting is something that does not apply to Palm WebOS devices... it comes from Palm with a root account already created. Please read this post for more details http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193679-accessing-linux-rooting-your-pre.html Jan 27 10:54:06 word Jan 27 11:02:24 I hate it when people say "I rooted my pre" or "How do you root WebOS" Jan 27 11:02:34 the worst though is "How can I jailbreak my Pre" Jan 27 11:02:39 lol Jan 27 11:23:12 well you see... you have to plug it into a computer. Thats the complicated part Jan 27 11:24:21 they have improved the mail client settings but it still needs a way to accept an ssl cert without having to send it as an attachment to yourself and install it manully Jan 27 11:37:17 how to i get a virtual landscape keyboard on my pre plus? Jan 27 12:41:20 hola JayCanuck Jan 27 12:42:46 hi Jan 27 12:43:11 so I read where someone posted a tweet of yours saying QI 3.0 will be AUPT compatible Jan 27 12:44:07 yepper Jan 27 12:44:18 I'm finishin 3.0 up as we speak Jan 27 12:44:29 nic Jan 27 12:44:47 are you going to add in the Doctor links for the Pre/Pixi plus? Jan 27 12:44:57 mornin Jan 27 12:45:01 and have it download the latest versions of doctor by default? Jan 27 12:45:49 yepper Jan 27 12:46:16 wosqi 3.0 will have a dynamic webosdoctor downloader that'll always fetch the current version andf support adding new devices Jan 27 12:47:21 there was some other big thing I had thought of for QI... but I forget what it was... Jan 27 12:47:27 mornin rwhitby Jan 27 12:47:36 cryptk|work: dependency support Jan 27 12:47:44 that was it Jan 27 12:47:57 rwhitby: how did you know? Jan 27 12:48:04 lol Jan 27 12:48:06 I think I had already talked to JayCanuck about that though Jan 27 12:48:10 does it download webosdoctor just for palm-install and novaterm? Cause it would be nice if it could use the one from the SDK if its installed Jan 27 12:48:16 cause it's the most important thing that has been missing since 1.x Jan 27 12:48:19 I think you said something along the lines of "it si coming" Jan 27 12:49:02 joshua, i don't believe there is a webosdoctor included with the sdk Jan 27 12:49:14 cryptk|work: not updating wosqi, and not installing both packages, adds up to over 90% of preware problems. I'm hoping 3.x will fix all that. Jan 27 12:49:17 but what does quickinstall need the webosdoctor for Jan 27 12:49:29 JayCanuck: there is not, but the SDK does install novacom/palm-install Jan 27 12:49:38 yea Jan 27 12:50:02 lol, I just went on a bit of a twitter rant about aonic Jan 27 12:50:02 if it uses other files from the jar then it makes sense but if i have the commands i dont wanna download 200MB every time. heh Jan 27 12:50:10 JayCanuck: I saw that, lol Jan 27 12:50:27 long overdue, but somehow unsatisfying with the 140char limits, lol Jan 27 12:51:01 type up your rant on pastebin and twitter the link to it, lol Jan 27 12:51:45 some people use this silly thing http://www.tweetlonger.com/ Jan 27 12:52:01 erm wrong URL: Jan 27 12:52:01 erm wrong URL: 07:49 <+rwhitby> cryptk|work: dependency support Jan 27 12:52:16 ok i need to step away from computer Jan 27 12:52:17 hah Jan 27 12:52:34 its a layer 8 issue... communication between computer and brain Jan 27 12:52:57 http://www.twitlonger.com/ Jan 27 12:53:00 I got your back Jan 27 12:53:01 lol Jan 27 12:53:14 yeah, thats what i meant to paste. thanks Jan 27 12:53:29 I noticed that there is another "app spammer" Jan 27 12:53:43 same meme as Dijit and Brighthouse Jan 27 12:54:19 I forget what his apps were for, but it was the same idea of 100 apps that are really the same thing only slightly different... and they all cost too much Jan 27 12:54:23 lol, I'm working on a variant of the Hide App Vendors patch that actually removes them from the list Jan 27 12:54:37 you mean you don't need a $3 app dedicated to Jackson 5 lyrics you could easily find on the web? Jan 27 12:54:41 same guy taht came out with the "Xbox cheat codes" "PSP Cheat Codes" "PS3 Cheat Codes" apps Jan 27 12:54:44 looks like I'll be needing such myself Jan 27 12:54:46 lol Jan 27 12:55:09 joshua: that is what it was... multiple apps, each one has lyrics of the songs by a particular band Jan 27 12:55:22 so you pay 2.99 and get all the lyrics for one artist Jan 27 12:55:34 it looks like it would be a decent app if you only had to buy it once Jan 27 12:55:51 exactly Jan 27 12:56:00 make it 3.99 and include everything Jan 27 12:56:06 maybe even 4.99 but that is pushing it Jan 27 12:56:12 there should be a way for them to sell add-on content that the app can download itself Jan 27 12:56:36 so these crapware people can still make their money by selling add-on packs outside of the store Jan 27 12:56:40 that would work 2.99 gets you the app and 2-3 artists... then you can grab another artist for 50 cents to a dollar Jan 27 12:56:57 txt TAYLORSWIFT to 45692 Jan 27 12:57:00 heh Jan 27 12:57:01 lol, meanwhile Music Remix has (probably more convenient) lyric lookup, but the non-homebrew public will never Jan 27 12:57:03 they could have their own "mini-store" for their addon crap Jan 27 12:57:04 know Jan 27 12:57:23 what are we texting that for? Jan 27 12:57:34 to send the taylorswift lyrics to the app Jan 27 12:57:34 heh Jan 27 12:57:43 ahh, something like that could work Jan 27 12:57:44 lol Jan 27 12:57:51 it could actually use the web apps feature Jan 27 12:57:58 and pay for it there after the app links to it Jan 27 12:58:12 those don't show in the main catalog Jan 27 13:02:38 The app "What's For Dinner" pretty much rules and its ad supported Jan 27 13:03:45 lol, I plat "Free Klondike Solitaire way more than a lot of other apps/game and it's adware Jan 27 13:03:51 *play Jan 27 13:04:04 surprisingly smooth too Jan 27 13:05:32 oh thats the other thing I was thinking about. Its kind of annoying how every app has a FREE or LITE version that is just a demo. It would be nice if the demo was downloaded and then unlocked to the full version instead of having 2 versions of every app Jan 27 13:05:56 and why they don't just call it Demo when it is one is beyond me Jan 27 13:06:15 true Jan 27 13:06:34 but i just love to complain and brain storm new ways to complain. heh Jan 27 13:08:10 iFart Free, iFart, and iFart Pro (for professional farters) Jan 27 13:09:49 JayCanuck: so did you see where people now think you wrote the mobile hotspot app? ;-) Jan 27 13:09:57 lol Jan 27 13:10:06 ~jasons-mobile-hotspot Jan 27 13:10:07 jasons-mobile-hotspot is, like, http://forums.precentral.net/2179768-post442.html Jan 27 13:10:09 only like 1 person has said that Jan 27 13:10:18 rofl Jan 27 13:10:48 well, at least my name's getting out there, lol Jan 27 13:50:45 JayCanuck: WOQI really needs proper dependency and conflict handling... its pretty trivial to add so there is really no reason not to implement it Jan 27 13:51:11 what do you mean conflict handling? Jan 27 13:52:58 ipkg feed spec has "conflicts" and "depends" fields that say "this package cant be installed if this package is installed" and "this package needs packageb and packagec installed first" respectively Jan 27 13:53:48 the depends field is more important Jan 27 13:53:59 but conflicts would be nice to have too Jan 27 13:57:48 JayCanuck: we are planing to migrate Preware to a C package service and if WOQI does not handle dependencies properly some scenarios could arise that will bring us lots of headaches since so many instructions on the web tell people to use WOQI to install preware and the service Jan 27 13:58:13 k Jan 27 13:58:30 JayCanuck: i think destinal even volunteered to make a patch for you if you dont want to do it your self but if that was in place soon there are a few people in here that could sleep better ;) Jan 27 13:59:11 i think rwhitby whats to make the transistion by the time 1.4 comes out Jan 27 13:59:24 well that first I'm hearing of that, lol, seems to be a growing trend with webosinternal, talk about plans that might involve/impact me, without ever telling me, lol Jan 27 14:00:22 JayCanuck: I have discussed dependencies with you many times previously, and also discussed a future transition to a C ipkgservice. Jan 27 14:00:26 JayCanuck: well i dont really impact you in a sense same sense that it does to us... we are just asking for a feature in QI, the lack of that is gonna bring us the issues not you Jan 27 14:00:38 rwhibty, I know, I'm not referring to that Jan 27 14:01:21 but yes, dependency is on my to-do list Jan 27 14:01:33 I hope it is at the top :-) Jan 27 14:01:46 well, theming is top of my webosquickinstall pile Jan 27 14:01:57 since your tools with dependencies break because of the lack of it too :-) Jan 27 14:02:51 well, not break per say, just require users to know what they want to install :p Jan 27 14:03:10 exactly. break ;-) Jan 27 14:04:23 oh, by the way Jan 27 14:04:23 "why doesn't my LED torch work?" Jan 27 14:04:30 I found bug in Preware Jan 27 14:04:44 apparently it doesn't hand the 'deinstall" flag well Jan 27 14:04:50 just one? you're not looking hard enough. I added at least three in the last release. Jan 27 14:04:54 lol Jan 27 14:05:11 yucky. I can neither update nor remove the virtual keyboard Jan 27 14:05:22 JayCanuck: what's the symptoms? Jan 27 14:05:26 I had 2 ipkg entries for FileMgr Service. One was "deinstall" Jan 27 14:05:59 however since the first in status was "deinstall", that's where the info seemed to be from Jan 27 14:06:17 JayCanuck: thanks - I'll put it in the Trac. which field in the Status file has deinstall? Jan 27 14:06:37 Status Jan 27 14:07:19 rwhitby: so i know i said i would keep my fingers out of the pot but since i already wrote most of the C service and i know the code well I will try and fit in some time, particularly this weekend to try and bring it up to data/spec Jan 27 14:07:33 oh, on just a personal not of curiosity about ipkg feeds Jan 27 14:07:58 the packages file: is the Filename field always required to be a relative URL? Jan 27 14:08:02 PuffTheMagic: thanks. what do you think about the idea for a simple old API which just returns a single dummy package with instructions on how to update? Jan 27 14:08:09 JayCanuck: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/17 Jan 27 14:08:23 JayCanuck: yes, it always must be relative to the Packages file URL Jan 27 14:08:26 k Jan 27 14:08:37 dunno why, that's just how ipkg works. Jan 27 14:10:55 rwhitby: yeah something like that could work i suppose, although think the "best" thing to do is put the backwards compat right into Preware, since preware will need modification anyway we could just add a check in Preware to see if the new service exists and if so use that else use the old service Jan 27 14:12:15 well, I personally don't see the point in create a new package id, when 20 lines of dummy old API can solve all the problems and not require any instructions to be changed in any of the hundreds of places out of our control on the web Jan 27 14:13:39 rwhitby: if Preware supported both services then a new package id isnt really needed Jan 27 14:14:01 we just need the service to have a method that returns a version Jan 27 14:14:14 whether its a package version or spec version Jan 27 14:14:17 PuffTheMagic: changing preware doesn't help in any way in getting the other clients updated Jan 27 14:15:02 no but it fixes the "install in wrong order issues" and the preware wont break issue Jan 27 14:15:28 the only way to get all clients eventually updated is to update the service with a new API while keeping enough of the old API in place in the same package to tell people using old clients that they have to update, and to tell them exactly how to do that for each of the four clients that I know about. Jan 27 14:16:31 (five if you include old preware versions from people who use wosqi to update ipkgservice but don't update preware) Jan 27 14:16:40 when you update preware, could you add a transitional feed for which preware could be used to update those other clients ? Jan 27 14:17:42 bpadalino|work: ah, so no matter what feeds people have enabled, the dummy old API returns the transitional feed. the trouble with that is you then have to still support enough of the old API to actually handle a real feed and install stuff. I agree with PuffTheMagic that is too much effort. Jan 27 14:18:07 the single dummy package plan truly is 20 lines of code and you're done. Jan 27 14:18:31 I will personally write the 20 lines of code for the C version of ipkgservice. Jan 27 14:18:52 whoa .. a commitment to write code?! yikes Jan 27 14:19:31 yeah, maybe it will have less bugs than what I put in the last 3 preware releases Jan 27 14:19:33 rwhitby: the dummy package thing is easy, it just dont see how it solves all our issues Jan 27 14:19:46 PuffTheMagic: which issues does it not solve? Jan 27 14:20:12 1) it tells anyone who gets a new ipkgservice with an old client that they have to update the client, and how to do that. Jan 27 14:20:37 how will a package tell them that they need to update? Jan 27 14:21:00 the description of the single dummy package ? Jan 27 14:21:18 it appears as an update to every package they have installed Jan 27 14:21:31 ohhh, they read the description Jan 27 14:22:16 will have to ponder this a litte more as i am in a rush to have breakfast and get to a lab meeting Jan 27 14:22:24 yeah, and you just make it keep being an update (without breaking anything, but without doing anything either) until they finally do the update Jan 27 14:23:09 eventually the message might get through to those at the bottom 1% of intelligence Jan 27 14:26:07 rwhitby: only after teaching them with flashcards for 8 hours Jan 27 14:30:30 raster: thanks for showing zsoc the light with regards to sdl_gles engine Jan 27 14:30:34 * rwhitby bbt Jan 27 14:30:41 PuffTheMagic: :) Jan 27 14:30:45 my pleasure Jan 27 14:30:47 :) Jan 27 14:30:56 dont worry too much about gl for now Jan 27 14:31:05 software engine is plenty fast Jan 27 14:31:16 depending what u do it can beat gl handily Jan 27 14:31:19 or be not too far behind Jan 27 14:31:20 oh yeah its definately fast enough for most stuff Jan 27 14:31:29 gl whips software in rotation and transforms Jan 27 14:31:30 but using hardware would free up more cpu Jan 27 14:31:36 its not that its not fast enough Jan 27 14:31:43 software does about as 2well as gl on most simpler things Jan 27 14:31:49 just want to use less resources Jan 27 14:31:54 if possible Jan 27 14:32:09 but yeah sw is working great so far Jan 27 14:38:06 http://www.precentral.net/webos-internals-releases-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology Jan 27 14:43:18 ~seen dBsooner Jan 27 14:43:20 nice Jan 27 14:43:22 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (14h 35m 54s) #webos-watercooler (14h 35m 54s). Has said a total of 198 messages. Is idling for 7h 4m 57s, last said: 'night ya'll.. have fun with AUPT'. Jan 27 14:43:25 morning Jan 27 14:43:40 good afternoon ;-) Jan 27 14:43:51 rwhitby: thanks for the link. I wondered why all my patches updated this morning ;) kudos on the release! Jan 27 14:44:30 ~seen egaudet Jan 27 14:44:31 egaudet was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7h 6m 23s ago, saying: 'good night all'. Jan 27 14:44:36 nt4cats: the kudos go to egaudet mainly - you can't imagine the number of times he has doctored his phone in the last few months testing this stuff Jan 27 14:45:06 I only did it 4 times myself, so I imagine he did it more than 20 or 30 times. Jan 27 14:45:08 and i can not imaging the time work it took him. Jan 27 14:45:28 I'm impressed every time where you find the time to do all this stuff.... Jan 27 14:56:34 I was wondering where the "update all" feature was located Jan 27 14:58:57 Hi, I'm new to patching WebOs but I wanted to get some patches work on my german pre. I used Unfied Pdiff creator and QI. Everything works great. But when I trie to patch files in somewhere/resources/de_de/ I alwas get errors. Could it be that their's a problem with underscores in filepath? Is this a known problem? Jan 27 14:59:12 update all is on the updates choice in preware. Jan 27 14:59:38 it's not a problem I've ever heard of michote. Jan 27 14:59:45 what are you wanting to patch? Jan 27 15:02:26 A simple example is patching /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.musicplayer/resources/de_de/appinfo.json to hide the standard musicplayer icon on a german pre Jan 27 15:02:47 ok, and how are you trying to patch it? Jan 27 15:03:20 my patch looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1429945/app-launcher-hide-musicplayer-app-de.patch Jan 27 15:03:57 but if I use QI to aplly it I alwasy get HUNK Failure Jan 27 15:05:32 what happens if you use gnu patch to apply it from the command line? Because that's the first test, not qi. Jan 27 15:06:19 how do I do this (sorry I'm new to this) Jan 27 15:08:44 michote from the command line on your pre (using novaterm or something) simply do patch patchfile Jan 27 15:09:02 and see what it says. Jan 27 15:09:26 use qi to transfer your patch file to a dir on the pre you can find, and run the patch. Jan 27 15:11:21 ok. I'll try Jan 27 15:16:47 I get: /bin/sh: patch: not found Jan 27 15:16:49 but gnu patch is installed on the phone Jan 27 15:18:20 need to point directly to oy Jan 27 15:18:22 *it Jan 27 15:18:39 /media/cryptofs/apps/bin/patch Jan 27 15:18:56 or /var/bin/patch is you're pre-1.3.5 Jan 27 15:20:54 or add /media/cryptofs/apps/bin to your search path Jan 27 15:22:37 There's no /media/cryptofs/apps/bin/patch or /var/bin/patch Jan 27 15:22:44 my pre is 1.3.5.2 Jan 27 15:23:19 I installed gnu patch using preware do I need something more? Jan 27 15:30:19 egaudet: so I've encountered 2 webos devices so far, 4 more to go Jan 27 15:30:36 egaudet: common patches seem to have issues (timestamps for instance) Jan 27 15:31:04 egaudet: the fix for all of them seems to be manual removal with ipkg, then upgrade or remove. Jan 27 15:31:59 egaudet: maybe on ipkg error, ipkgservice needs a 'emergency manual removal option', that only comes up in preware on error? Jan 27 15:32:21 egaudet? Jan 27 15:32:58 hi, could someone help me? im getting a strange error in preware Jan 27 15:33:08 because list_installed grepping is not so fun on term app Jan 27 15:33:21 random_: don't ask to ask, just ask :) Jan 27 15:33:25 it says: TypeError: Cannotcall method 'split' of undefined Jan 27 15:33:28 random_: what's your issue? Someone here can probably help you ... Jan 27 15:33:44 infobot ask is Don't ask to ask, just ask! Jan 27 15:33:45 ...but ask is already something else... Jan 27 15:33:58 ~ask Jan 27 15:33:59 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jan 27 15:34:07 lulz I got owned Jan 27 15:34:17 ~smack zsoc Jan 27 15:34:17 * infobot smacks zsoc upside the head. Jan 27 15:35:39 random_: what are you doing when you see that error? Lanuching it? Trying to update / remove an app? A patch? Jan 27 15:36:06 haha ok ill try to be more specific: yesterday I launched preware asn it attempted its daily feeds update, but right after it began loading the feeds, that error came up Jan 27 15:36:22 random_: Also, what version of PreWare are you running? Jan 27 15:36:41 im running the latest one (i believe) v0.0.18 Jan 27 15:36:52 i mean v0.9.18 Jan 27 15:37:29 after that error appears preware does lauch, but without any feed data (everything is empty) Jan 27 15:37:46 and if I try to manage feeds, the error appears again Jan 27 15:38:18 I already reinstalled preware and rebooted several times Jan 27 15:40:43 random_: I can honestly say I don't know what causes that. maybe a preware dev will know. but my suggestion is to reinstall ipkgservice Jan 27 15:40:46 random_: that isn't a symptom I've seen before, you've done the things I'd recommend. Jan 27 15:41:12 random_: easiest method is to run the preware-bootstrap if you have command line access Jan 27 15:41:31 I think the preware dev's are sleeping Jan 27 15:42:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap Jan 27 15:43:34 yeah its very weird, and it came out of nothing.. thanks for the link, ill try the bootstrap Jan 27 15:44:07 * zsoc makes a minor commit to preware to become a preware dev xD Jan 27 15:44:23 * nt4cats updated the preware wiki page once, does that count? Jan 27 15:44:34 egaudet: kudos on aupt ... this is a life saver. Jan 27 15:45:30 xcomp: you! where have you been? :p Jan 27 15:45:55 zsoc: been around, but work has been a little crazy this past week Jan 27 15:46:08 any help? I can't find the patch command on my phone (see above) Jan 27 15:46:35 xcomp: yeah I get that :/ I had a few efl questions.. but I think I worked most of them out Jan 27 15:47:05 xcomp: you were running expedite with just evas and eina, using the software_sdl engine, correct? Jan 27 15:47:10 yes Jan 27 15:47:27 egaudet_work: hey, look up to see my aupt patch comments :) Jan 27 15:47:34 if i'm not around just send me the question anyway, I try to check on here regularly as much as possible Jan 27 15:47:37 * egaudet_work goes to read log, bbs Jan 27 15:48:15 zsoc: expedite command line is -p hvga -e sdl (I think) Jan 27 15:48:22 xcomp: ok, glad I got something right :> I'm working on a gl_sdl engine so we can get some hardware accelleration going :) Jan 27 15:49:09 egaudet_work: ping (once you're done with your log) Jan 27 15:49:12 zsoc: oh really? I had already started working on one myself but I haven't gotten too far Jan 27 15:49:47 Is the WIDK similar to palms PDK? Jan 27 15:49:50 xcomp: I'm finding that egl does some magic that is difficult to quantify with sdl, because it's all done internally Jan 27 15:49:54 CTLAdvance: no Jan 27 15:49:55 zsoc: let me know when you have something even if it is halfway done so I can give you E SVN access Jan 27 15:50:46 zsoc: you're using the existing egl code in the gl_x11 engine right Jan 27 15:50:59 xcomp: er, I fear this isn't a project I'm going to finish easily :( BUT, have you tried just using gl_x11 with the gles_power_vr (or whatever) define, after killing Luna? Jan 27 15:51:23 haven't tried it ... but I'm pretty sure it is dependent on glx Jan 27 15:51:33 actually I know it is dependent on glx Jan 27 15:51:39 and has references to drawables all over Jan 27 15:51:56 so it wouldn't work on fb Jan 27 15:51:58 xcomp: right. yes I remember now that's why I didn't bother trying it lol Jan 27 15:52:16 xcomp: I didn't realize egl and glx were so closely tied Jan 27 15:52:36 but not that closely tied Jan 27 15:52:43 xcomp: on the brightside, all of gl_common is gles 2.0 compatible :> Jan 27 15:52:58 raster generally does a good job of compartmentalizing backend and frontend stuff Jan 27 15:53:20 so once we fix the context stuff we should be halfway there Jan 27 15:54:00 xcomp: my big issue is I'm not a programmer, and raster loves using C properly (pointers everywhere) so it takes me forever to map out in my head what's actually going on. it's a tough ride for 1500 lines lol Jan 27 15:54:50 lol yeah -- that's one of the reasons I've always loved the EFL -- very disciplined and clean program structures Jan 27 15:55:21 makes me throw up a little inside when I see engineers at work writing messy code -- I'm not used to that :) Jan 27 15:57:02 * nt4cats glances over at the messy code in his IDE (the current screenful not written by himself) and shudders Jan 27 15:59:47 zsoc: errors with patching you refered to, were those all errors upgrading from old apt patches to new aupt? Jan 27 16:00:22 and nt4cats pong Jan 27 16:03:44 hi there Jan 27 16:04:05 can anyone help with a badly installed patch? Jan 27 16:05:37 dBsooner: zsoc: what do you think of "novaginsu" as the name of a multi-boot-enabling webos device volume splitter? Jan 27 16:06:21 it has stolen my brain Jan 27 16:07:09 what's the url to dbsooner's patch browser? Jan 27 16:07:17 nm, found it Jan 27 16:08:36 egaudet_work: I'm stuck with a VK that I cannot uninstall nor update Jan 27 16:09:10 egaudet_work: I tried running the obsolete VK, too. Jan 27 16:10:02 nt4cats: yea the way to install files was added quickly so I didn't make it smart enough, just remove the virtual-keyboard folder from /media/internal/ (or via usb mode) Jan 27 16:10:27 probably a dumb question, but are the newly updated Patches ok to update, before the release of the webOS update, or should I wait Jan 27 16:10:34 egaudet_work: oh, and HUGE congrats/kudos/thanks for AUPT. Jan 27 16:11:16 FreeTim: their express pupose is to make the next webOS update easier -- so you should update them now Jan 27 16:11:27 nt4cats: Thanks ok. Jan 27 16:11:44 FreeTim: http://www.precentral.net/webos-internals-releases-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology Jan 27 16:11:47 hi there... can anyone help with a badly installed patch? Jan 27 16:12:46 rather unreversed pat8$... Jan 27 16:12:52 patch... Jan 27 16:13:09 Auto Update Patch Technology! -- hey cool Jan 27 16:14:19 hey guys. can anyone help with an unreversed patch error? Jan 27 16:14:22 egaudet_work: okay "sudo rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard" executed. I haven't touched PreWare yet. Should I try and remove it? update it? Reboot? Dunk my phone in a bucket of water for several hours? Jan 27 16:14:48 update/install it Jan 27 16:14:56 Skipping the phone across the lake is known to reboot some processes, and not recommended Jan 27 16:15:21 help? Jan 27 16:15:39 zsoc bless u for virtualboy Jan 27 16:15:42 Ohadios: give more information about your problem and someone may offer to help Jan 27 16:16:22 & dtz Jan 27 16:16:31 egaudet_work: update failed. There are billions of "the next patch, when reversed, would delete the file {blah}" messages in the ipkg log Jan 27 16:17:36 thanks. when I tried to install the 4x4 v3 patch I through webosqi I received an error (do not remember what it was). since then the patch shows as installed, but not working. cannot update or remove... get an error in ipkg log saying I have an unreversed patch Jan 27 16:21:07 I do not know what else I can do to remove the patch... Jan 27 16:22:19 Ohadios: do you have command-line access to your pre? Jan 27 16:22:28 yup Jan 27 16:22:40 nt4cats: scroll to very end the problem should be in red Jan 27 16:23:12 was wondering if it's possible to have the blackberry sms tone for texts ? Jan 27 16:23:25 hey so updating to aupt patches gave me a log full of errors regardind "no such file or directory", something to the tune of /var/lib/.webosinternals/. ......./packages . as far as i can tell things worked. point of concern? Jan 27 16:23:32 egaudet_work: that's the funny thing, no red. The very last line is ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during pre-remove script execution Jan 27 16:23:36 not to jump into the patch update frenzy :) Jan 27 16:24:00 err not to jump in and be needing support is what i meant Jan 27 16:24:40 nt4cats: scroll up and what is all in the prerm: section Jan 27 16:24:46 what patch btw? Jan 27 16:25:01 egaudet_work: VK Jan 27 16:25:23 anyone no ? Jan 27 16:25:58 egaudet_work: There are billions of "the next patch, when reversed, would delete the file {blah}" messages in the prerm section, no red however Jan 27 16:26:06 egaudet_work: so i'm basically manually using ipkg remove on "unreversed" patches, then hitting the update button on preware to reapply them Jan 27 16:26:32 DrFunk: there is an SMS sounds per contact patch, allows you to cusomize sounds per contact and overall--- Jan 27 16:26:42 Ohadios: note that it looks like xcomp is having a similar symptom as you Jan 27 16:26:56 DrFunk: but you'd have to provide / find the .wav file yourself from google. That shoudl do it Jan 27 16:26:58 nt4cats: I see it's quite busy here... but do you have any idea what I should do? Jan 27 16:27:13 yes, I see... xcomp: any luck so far? Jan 27 16:27:36 so FreeTim it's possible to have the blackberry tone or no ? Jan 27 16:27:42 Ohadios: it looks like xcomp is having some luck removing them with ipkg remove Jan 27 16:28:16 nt4cats: I tried that... but no success. I an try again and see what error I get. Jan 27 16:28:30 i'm skeptical about my approach, so don't quote me :) Jan 27 16:28:41 xcomp: can you please write the exact command you typed to manually remove the patch? Jan 27 16:29:09 nt4cats: oh you installed OVK with VKB installed... naughty! Jan 27 16:29:21 I am currently having that issue with the 'Add Roam Control to Prefs' Jan 27 16:29:21 egaudet_work: preware told me to Jan 27 16:29:32 oh that was my fault Jan 27 16:29:34 sorry Jan 27 16:29:35 egaudet_work: it told me to install OVK twice in the last week :) Jan 27 16:29:47 if it breaks your phone and send porn to your grandma, i assume no responsibility Jan 27 16:29:49 the old OVK version had a leftover remove /var instead of new area so it stayed installed, sorry Jan 27 16:30:11 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.patch-name Jan 27 16:30:20 hmmm Jan 27 16:30:34 you have to be sure the patch isn't partially applied Jan 27 16:30:47 the patch IS partially applied Jan 27 16:31:02 the "new files" the patch creates were removed and the files that it modifes aren't unapplied Jan 27 16:31:13 nt4cats: so it depends on what you want to do Jan 27 16:31:27 EPR will work Jan 27 16:31:32 we can do some command line fun Jan 27 16:32:06 egaudet_work: I'm happy to do command-line fun (I'll even give you ssh access into my pre if you want it -- I'm running your software so you already own my pre) Jan 27 16:33:10 hehe well it's all up to you. I think my strategy will be to forcibly use the backups to recover the 2 patched files Jan 27 16:33:55 cp the 2 backup files back to original file Jan 27 16:34:21 * xcomp extracts the patch ipk and manually replaces missing files Jan 27 16:34:22 then remove the ipk (ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard) Jan 27 16:34:25 and then install Jan 27 16:34:31 xcomp: thanks! that seemed to work! Jan 27 16:35:16 okay, where are the 2 backup files Jan 27 16:36:14 one is at /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework_.js (and then .js.webosinternals.orig is the backup sitting next to it) Jan 27 16:36:43 the other /usr/palm/frameworks/submissions//stylesheets/global.css Jan 27 16:37:39 okay palmInitFramework200_72.js.webosinternals.orig found Jan 27 16:38:32 no 'submissions' under '/usr/palm/frameworks' Jan 27 16:38:56 I have media,mojo,mojocore,mojoloader.js,private, and triton Jan 27 16:39:04 (under /usr/palm/frameworks) Jan 27 16:39:46 Questions about AUPT Jan 27 16:40:08 I have global.css files under mojo/submissions and mojocore/resource. Jan 27 16:40:14 s/resource/resources/. Jan 27 16:40:48 SO..Upon webos update...do the dummay patch just uninstall the incompatibale patches but still lets preware think its installed via the status file? Jan 27 16:40:50 I'm going to guess you meant /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.72/stylesheets/global.css Jan 27 16:41:32 global.css.webosinternals.orig found in /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.72/stylesheets/ Jan 27 16:41:43 egaudet: SO..Upon webos update...do the dummay patch just uninstall the incompatibale patches but still lets preware think its installed via the status file? Jan 27 16:42:21 nt4cats: yea sorry forgot "mojo" in the path Jan 27 16:43:05 egaudet_work: I'm saving a copy of the current (patched) file [I'm paranoid] and copying the '.orig' over the base file Jan 27 16:43:05 navinag: the dummy package is higher version of last webos-version patch so it will show as update, and when you hit update in preware it will remove old and install new Jan 27 16:43:23 nt4cats: sounds good Jan 27 16:45:21 egaudet_work: okay, copied the two .orig files over the base files. I assume from the above the next step is "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard" Jan 27 16:45:28 yea Jan 27 16:45:53 Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard from root... Jan 27 16:45:53 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard.prerm) Jan 27 16:45:53 root@palm-webos-device:/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins# Jan 27 16:46:32 egaudet: what happens to patces that span multiple apps...for instance ...sms ringtone...It spans contacts, and messaging....What happens if the update changes the contacts app and not the messaging app and the patch is still partially there since the contacts app was over written? Is the methodology such that all the patches will get a dummy regardless and then go through the next update to for the latest webos update? Jan 27 16:47:06 egaudet_work: I'm guessing restart luna and then install the VK? Jan 27 16:47:13 navinag: that is the single failure point left for AUPT Jan 27 16:47:43 there are very few patches that span multiple packages, and if palm updated soem but not all of the packages that patch would not be able to remove with anything except EPR Jan 27 16:48:20 it's not something I want to ignore but was too rare of an event to get into the first iteration of AUPT I thought Jan 27 16:48:24 egaudet_work: so If we have patches that span multiple apps....it is just recommended to run EPR? Jan 27 16:48:28 nt4cats: no restart luna Jan 27 16:48:30 that's not needed Jan 27 16:48:46 navinag: if you run into issues after OTA then you can run EPR Jan 27 16:49:04 you don't have to take precautionary measures ahead of time Jan 27 16:49:06 egaudet_work: I assume AUPT will flag an error and then we will have to run EPR and then reinstall all patches ...Rhigt? Jan 27 16:49:35 you'll be able to see the error from ipkg log Jan 27 16:50:01 egaudet_work: thanks...Just want to make sure I understand the process to I know what to do... Jan 27 16:50:06 basically though there should -never- (read: rarely) be a case where an AUPT patch can't uninstall, unless you are doing manual modifications Jan 27 16:50:26 in the rare event (like the multi-package thing just discussed) that an AUPT patch can't remove, EPR is the fallback Jan 27 16:50:42 Anyone recognize "Ar'Kritz the Intruder"? Jan 27 16:50:59 egaudet_work: thanks for the info Jan 27 16:51:00 In the future I can look into a "smarter" EPR that only removes "problem" patches Jan 27 16:55:04 mornin gents Jan 27 16:57:34 egaudet_work: That seems to have worked, thanks. If you'd like me to add a page to the wiki with those steps I will Jan 27 17:00:06 was there a TON of patch updates today?? Jan 27 17:01:40 Enox: yes Jan 27 17:02:12 Enox: http://www.precentral.net/webos-internals-releases-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology Jan 27 17:02:20 issues with installing too? Jan 27 17:02:23 is there actually any difference in the patches, or are they just changing the utilities uses to do the patching? Jan 27 17:02:35 oh, ^ ok Jan 27 17:04:00 JustinHoMi the patches being updated contain "auto patch update tech" in the patch files themselves. Jan 27 17:04:24 Enox what issues? Jan 27 17:05:24 my installs are failing :/ but I'm reading and it says something about there being a few bugs. might have to remove patches and reinstall Jan 27 17:05:48 what's the message at the bottom of the IPKG log? and what patch is failing? Jan 27 17:07:48 hang on I'm waiting for preware to reload Jan 27 17:09:25 error: failure during Pre remove script execution Jan 27 17:11:24 this is happening for multiple patches Jan 27 17:12:37 assuming maybe they're all relying on the same dependency? Jan 27 17:15:10 On mine they all updated about 9 of them, no issue, a Luna restart near the end as expected. Jan 27 17:21:59 yeah I can't update or remove landscape messaging patch Jan 27 17:23:19 egaudet if there is a dependency, does the one that they're dependent on get patched on the first-pass and if they re-update then the dependent ones are ok on the second pass? Or does that not work? Jan 27 17:23:52 dependencies for updates that are replaces (i.e. remove/install, read: patches) aren't working in Preware Jan 27 17:24:01 you have to remove the depending package first then do update all Jan 27 17:24:52 ugh ... vk Jan 27 17:24:56 How does the (l)user know? Jan 27 17:25:20 missing .webosinternals.orig files it seems Jan 27 17:25:27 about six of them Jan 27 17:25:31 ipkg log (but it appears in black stdout talking about can't remove package because of dependency), which stinks Jan 27 17:25:34 and there were no errors in the patch process Jan 27 17:26:01 xcomp: remove /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Jan 27 17:26:24 Rick_work: dependency issues might require EPR or command line to fix Jan 27 17:26:59 A depends on B, both need update. Preware goes to remove B first, the prerm runs and unpatches, then the ipkg remove fails because A is depending on it. So patch is unapplied by ipkg data stays... I THINK Jan 27 17:28:18 yo all, been having some dbus capturing fun.. found some dbus services and converted to luna-send... airplane mode, send text message, dial number (actually calls)... Jan 27 17:28:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Jan 27 17:28:24 dbus is fun :) Jan 27 17:29:14 bbiab, lunch time Jan 27 17:30:04 is this the right place to seek help with a broken Pre? #webos is pretty quiet Jan 27 17:31:53 what do you mean broken Jan 27 17:33:23 like you physically broke it, or it's having issues Jan 27 17:35:25 I dropped it the other day, and it seemed to be working normally until this morning Jan 27 17:35:43 the slider was a bit rough, but this morning the screen stopped working Jan 27 17:35:55 I have the slide open to answer patch, so I was able to answer the phone Jan 27 17:36:32 now I'm trying to back up /media/internal Jan 27 17:37:00 the screen is working after pulling the battery, putting it back in, and connecting a usb cable Jan 27 17:37:14 but it's stuck at the boot screen with the work "palm" (it's not glowing) Jan 27 17:37:26 press the power button again Jan 27 17:37:50 press+hold? Jan 27 17:38:01 yeah only for a few seconds Jan 27 17:38:21 nothing changed Jan 27 17:39:00 pull battery again, then hold power button for a while longer. I've had this problem before Jan 27 17:39:17 so have the battery out but the usb connected? Jan 27 17:39:34 I would unplug it it Jan 27 17:39:46 thanks, trying... Jan 27 17:40:17 unplug, pull battery, put battery back in, hold power for about 5 to 10 seconds or until the logo pulses Jan 27 17:41:55 "palm" appears almost as soon as I press power, but holding doesn't make it pulse Jan 27 17:42:12 on a normal boot it's usually on this screen for a minute before pulsing the logo Jan 27 17:42:47 when weird things start happening after a device is dropped it's usually not a good thing. so it could be hardware Jan 27 17:43:18 you could try putting it in bootie mode and then taking it back out Jan 27 17:43:27 I expect I'll need a replacement. I was hoping to back up my pictures Jan 27 17:43:34 I guess my chat history is lost too Jan 27 17:43:37 let it sit for a bit and try pressing the power button again. if it never leaves this screen then maybe web os doctor:/ Jan 27 17:43:43 every time ive had it hang on the palm logo i just pull the battery out for about 30 secs and when i put it back in it starts back up fine Jan 27 17:44:03 can webos doctor operate when the phone isn't booted all the way/ Jan 27 17:44:12 yeah I've seen this hanging at the logo thing before Jan 27 17:44:21 I don't know. never had to use it before Jan 27 17:45:03 thanks for the tips Jan 27 17:46:57 I have Jan 27 17:47:06 at the Palm logo, or at the USB logo? that's bootie mode Jan 27 18:01:52 haha, leo laporte is live streaming the apple event Jan 27 18:04:17 FreeTim: at the Palm logo. Jan 27 18:05:56 ~testing Jan 27 18:05:58 i heard testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere Jan 27 18:06:03 ~testing feed Jan 27 18:06:04 nothing Jan 27 18:06:45 Enox: Phone is booting (pulsing) now. Thanks again Jan 27 18:09:06 * jacques is watching coverage of apple's event Jan 27 18:09:15 or trying to :-\ Jan 27 18:10:16 engadget works Jan 27 18:10:20 engadget is not handling the load well Jan 27 18:10:32 I bet Jan 27 18:11:51 oooh, jobs just burned the netbook category Jan 27 18:12:09 well ... what's the correct way to add the testing feed? Jan 27 18:12:15 since I can't seem to find out by myself Jan 27 18:12:37 "We think we've got something that is better. And we call it the iPad." Jan 27 18:13:03 I'm still hoping for new mbps Jan 27 18:13:10 they couldn't think of any better name? Jan 27 18:13:30 and it still uses an onscreen keyboard. smh Jan 27 18:14:08 want. Jan 27 18:14:49 what resolution is that? it looks funky Jan 27 18:15:11 beautiful :) Jan 27 18:15:35 mdklein_: I too am wondering about res Jan 27 18:15:37 it looks like someone ran over an ipod touch Jan 27 18:15:51 and what display hardware is used Jan 27 18:16:14 I'm underwhelmed as of now Jan 27 18:16:24 we'll see what they wow with at the end Jan 27 18:17:19 haha, it doesn't support flash! Jan 27 18:18:17 lol, of course it doesn Jan 27 18:18:25 s/doesn/doesn't/ Jan 27 18:18:25 xcomp meant: lol, of course it doesn't Jan 27 18:18:37 morning all Jan 27 18:18:56 nice design though Jan 27 18:19:10 does the iphone support flash yet? Jan 27 18:19:15 nope Jan 27 18:19:20 bear in mind, I wish flash would die Jan 27 18:19:28 haha Jan 27 18:19:39 i just want to be able to watch hulu on my phone Jan 27 18:19:51 question for you guys, how do i install the iphone spoof patch Jan 27 18:19:56 it's not too much to ask Jan 27 18:20:15 i have preware already installed Jan 27 18:20:27 iphone will not be supporting flash in the forseeable future, unless Apple made Adobe lie outright Jan 27 18:20:30 lets be realistic. everyone buys netbooks. there's tons. this is much better then any netbook Jan 27 18:20:46 let's be realistic, this thing costs 2x the price of a netbook Jan 27 18:20:55 and probably much more expensive than a netbook Jan 27 18:20:59 for that price, I'll take my fullpower, flash supporting, better keyboard laptop Jan 27 18:21:09 I paid under $300 for my netbook Jan 27 18:21:13 but steve jobs says it's better than a laptop Jan 27 18:21:25 well if steve jobs says so I must be wrong! :p Jan 27 18:21:37 yeah but 300 dollar netbooks are still slow as hell Jan 27 18:22:03 yeah their slow cpus are why i haven't bothered to even look at buying a netbook Jan 27 18:22:06 hmmm, I can web browse, check email without any slowdown Jan 27 18:22:20 I'm not disagreeing. prices on netbooks can't be beat. but if I need something fast... Jan 27 18:22:21 everything Jobs is showing off I can do just fine on my netbook Jan 27 18:22:24 en0x: they're faster than this thing, most likely Jan 27 18:22:32 there are some speedier netbooks out now for $300 Jan 27 18:22:42 keep in mind, this is running mobile safari, and doesn't even support flash, enox. that's not the sign of a fast machine Jan 27 18:22:44 Kyusaku: your netbook has a touchscreen? Jan 27 18:22:50 VincentLaw, ? Jan 27 18:22:52 lol cept that Jan 27 18:22:52 agreed Jan 27 18:23:05 there's too many enoxs >.> Jan 27 18:23:17 there's only one. me lol Jan 27 18:23:20 lol somebody is trying to be like me ;D Jan 27 18:23:23 if I bought a netbook it would be running E17 Jan 27 18:23:56 if I bought a netbook it'd be running chromeos Jan 27 18:24:12 lol except I've used this handle for 7+ years Jan 27 18:24:15 but then, my desktop runs e17 anyway Jan 27 18:27:18 hmm. but yeah VincentLaw, ur right. if this ends up being 700...800 bux. totally not worth it Jan 27 18:28:06 I'm expecting more than that personally Jan 27 18:28:45 knowing apple ur probably right. Jan 27 18:28:45 really depends on the display tech I think Jan 27 18:28:55 god it looks really good though. Jan 27 18:29:35 IPS display Jan 27 18:29:41 Enox: if it's 700 I would be shocked. numbers are being thrown around as high as 1200 Jan 27 18:30:36 I'm thinking 500-600 but who knows Jan 27 18:30:45 I'm thinking $1000 at least Jan 27 18:31:05 they made their own proc? weird Jan 27 18:31:28 they bought a chip company awhile back Jan 27 18:31:36 amazing battery life. month of standby time! Jan 27 18:31:37 !#$%! i just had to hit OK 30 times Jan 27 18:32:42 apple getting back in the CPU game? Jan 27 18:32:43 screen res is double the iphone Jan 27 18:32:54 hey, they're demoing asphalt! Jan 27 18:32:58 we have that game! =D Jan 27 18:33:13 640 x 960 res Jan 27 18:33:35 or at least close to it Jan 27 18:33:52 definitely a nice device Jan 27 18:33:53 playing asphalt, I wonder how hard it is to reach the nitro with your thumb Jan 27 18:34:01 but I ain't shelling out $1k for that Jan 27 18:34:10 same Jan 27 18:34:20 Kyusaku: that's what I'm thinking Jan 27 18:34:22 not worth a grip Jan 27 18:34:39 but it's really light, so that helps Jan 27 18:34:43 Kyusaku: they bought PA semi in 2008... probably pretty standard ARM Jan 27 18:34:43 1.5 lbs Jan 27 18:34:50 crap I have a meeting in 25 mins Jan 27 18:34:55 bbl Jan 27 18:35:13 Adora: I can image the tip of my thumb almost barely touching it Jan 27 18:35:29 *imagine Jan 27 18:35:46 so much of the screen is that black bezel Jan 27 18:36:58 Adora: useless bezel, that can't do stuff like...read gestures. :P Jan 27 18:37:38 or maybe it will...show ain't over yet Jan 27 18:38:25 thank god Jan 27 18:38:45 Adora: haha that would be patent jockey field day Jan 27 18:39:15 ugh. who cares about gameloft Jan 27 18:40:22 I wonder if you have to pay for a new version of the game to make it work for the iPad Jan 27 18:40:38 I agree the bezel is much wider than I would like Jan 27 18:40:53 Kyusaku: engadget liveblog says that you can just download all your existing apps to it Jan 27 18:41:13 Adora: yeah but iPhone apps have ingame purchasing Jan 27 18:41:47 hmm, good point Jan 27 18:42:00 who is to say you can download intiially and have a popup that says "to run this game on the iPad you will have to pay $5.99" Jan 27 18:42:36 one of of the biggest evils of iPhone/iTunes app system Jan 27 18:43:10 IPS FTW Jan 27 18:43:45 1GHz cool Jan 27 18:43:47 jacques: all the AMOLED people are like "WHYYYYYY" Jan 27 18:44:08 I always worry about gorilla arm with touchscreens this large... hopefully they figured it out when designing the interface Jan 27 18:44:40 shouldve been oled Jan 27 18:44:48 but i guess ips makes it cheaper Jan 27 18:44:54 Kyusaku: AMOLED is still very $$$ and has issues such as sunlight viewability and longevity Jan 27 18:45:20 damn, no mention of GPS Jan 27 18:45:22 nor 3G Jan 27 18:45:39 jaques: oh I know, and kinda don't care. I'm just saying those AMOLED hype-train riders are tearing their hair out Jan 27 18:45:47 who needs gps, it has a compass and maps! lol Jan 27 18:46:01 it probably has gps too, but they did announce it has a compass Jan 27 18:46:21 with the work they put into google maps, surely it's got gps Jan 27 18:46:30 it appears you can fingerpaint Jan 27 18:46:49 palm should make a webos tablet, that would be cool Jan 27 18:46:57 I can't imagine long term usage with a touchscreen keyboard Jan 27 18:47:10 does anyone know how I can remove the "enable landscape text messaging" patch with Preware? Jan 27 18:47:16 not that size, it doesnt seem like you could type with both hands Jan 27 18:47:26 I can't remove it either itrayne Jan 27 18:47:28 gkatsev: I was just thinking same thing about palm making a tablet Jan 27 18:47:30 I doubt this is positioned as a product you spend a lot of time entering text into Jan 27 18:47:32 not to mention it'd get tiring holding it Jan 27 18:47:48 hell, I wish palm had released the folio - I woulda bought two Jan 27 18:48:03 It's weird...after the AUPT updates, it's the only one jamming me up Jan 27 18:48:05 have to use EPR to remove the patch Jan 27 18:48:07 well I spend a lot of time entering text into my netbook, Jan 27 18:48:19 yeah same here. I can't update or remove it Jan 27 18:48:49 Enox, did you try EPR? I haven't yet...rather wait until 1.4 drops Jan 27 18:48:53 foleo was just ahead of its time... it would be called a netbook today :-p Jan 27 18:49:30 or smartbook - whatever they are calling the ARm based netbooks this week Jan 27 18:50:02 Itravne: haven't tried yet. Jan 27 18:50:50 maybe palm will bring back the foleo with webos - I would buy it Jan 27 18:51:00 Oh well, I guess it could be worse, right? Jan 27 18:51:29 true Jan 27 18:53:05 i think they scrapped the foleo because the netbooks came about Jan 27 18:53:17 and it was a pretty retarded idea at the time Jan 27 18:54:38 showcase devs only had two weeks to get their apps ready Jan 27 18:54:46 omg, that's going to be horrible... reading a book on a backlit display Jan 27 18:55:12 mdklein_: yeah I wouldn't get this to read books on Jan 27 18:57:54 prices seem high, I wonder it they'll start blocking the kindle iphone app :-p Jan 27 18:59:30 ugh how do i get rid of the aim contacts in my contacts :( Jan 27 19:01:29 did you remove AIM? Jan 27 19:02:01 i would like to continue to use aim, but to answer your question no Jan 27 19:02:09 lol Jan 27 19:02:27 not much you can do Jan 27 19:02:39 i modified people i dont talk to on my aim buddy list and on my pre it still shows ones i deleted Jan 27 19:03:08 I wish AIM contacts didn't stay as their own profile when you link it to a contact Jan 27 19:03:40 you might have to resync, delete account, re-add Jan 27 19:04:33 pfff dude. e-ink is a joke. everyone should get over it and just read paper Jan 27 19:05:02 I dunno, I <3 my kindle.. Jan 27 19:05:35 I love my PRS300 (Sony pocket) Jan 27 19:06:04 backlit or not. reading on a screen is still reading on a screen. there's a plus and minus to reading on eink or backlit Jan 27 19:06:30 Enox: I can read on an eink display comfortably for about 10x as long as backlit Jan 27 19:06:35 ^ Jan 27 19:06:49 and actually 1.5x as long as I can read paper Jan 27 19:06:51 I read ebooks on my laptop all the time before ebooks. all of a sudden everyone hates reading on a backlit display lol Jan 27 19:07:15 Enox: I read on backlit for a long time too... that might be why my eyesight is so freaking bad Jan 27 19:07:24 I have always hated reading large amounts of text on a backlit display Jan 27 19:07:48 this tablet crap is getting boring. I'm actually more interested in iPhone OS 4.0 announcement. Jan 27 19:08:02 I hope they announce that too Jan 27 19:08:24 tho I won't be able to tease iphone owners about multitasking anymore :-( Jan 27 19:08:26 it's almost looking like they might not if they keep on going on about the tablet Jan 27 19:08:44 this is looking like a two hour event - if so they have plenty of time Jan 27 19:09:33 the ceo/chairman of disney is there, wondering why Jan 27 19:09:51 they still havent announced a phone just there itampon???? Jan 27 19:11:01 they won't announce a phone Jan 27 19:11:06 just new OS rev Jan 27 19:11:17 new phone will be June Jan 27 19:11:35 oo Jan 27 19:11:40 sooner i thought? Jan 27 19:11:42 everyone just scoff that they are gonna have ebooks on it..like they wouldn't do that? even amazon who has the kindle still has an app for the iphone. these companies will try to get money anyway they can Jan 27 19:12:03 i heard the iphone 4g dual core announcement before april Jan 27 19:12:31 4g? what network woul it go on? Jan 27 19:12:31 I scoff at their prices, they're expecting people to pay a premium vs. amazon to read on a backlit display Jan 27 19:12:43 JMyaDaGod: no not 4g network... 4th gen Jan 27 19:12:49 with 4.0 OS Jan 27 19:12:58 o my bad Jan 27 19:12:58 "easily connect to projectors" how? Jan 27 19:13:29 jacques: they're making mini LED projectors now for iphones and such Jan 27 19:13:39 rumored that the 4g would include a built in projector Jan 27 19:13:42 but i doubt it Jan 27 19:13:43 They should of had it sync over wifi Jan 27 19:14:06 usb 2.0 is faster than wifi Jan 27 19:14:16 "but we're also going to have models with 3G" yes Jan 27 19:14:52 but usb is not as convinient as wifi. Jan 27 19:15:26 what's new Jan 27 19:15:36 I wonder if there's room on the bezel to mount an earpiece and speaker... walk around with a giant voip handset Jan 27 19:15:45 mdklein_: I'd pay a premium for it over kindle Jan 27 19:15:59 Adora: for the same book? Jan 27 19:16:00 haha, $15/m for 250MB data Jan 27 19:16:00 the reason why I don't have a kindle is that it sucks to enter notes Jan 27 19:16:03 I'm not talking device Jan 27 19:16:04 $30/m for unlimited Jan 27 19:16:07 and it's still on at&t! Jan 27 19:16:09 I'm talking the book content Jan 27 19:16:12 LOL AT&T, YAY! So a tablet that can't do anything Jan 27 19:16:16 mdklein_: oh, paying more for content is balls Jan 27 19:16:24 well, it does have wifi Jan 27 19:16:29 so you dont actually *need* it Jan 27 19:16:54 I've lost the temptation to refresh the liveblog every 5 seconds Jan 27 19:17:18 : Jan 27 19:17:34 for $30/mo it needs to have a more compelling app than just being able to download apps from anywhere Jan 27 19:17:34 well, it's finally out Jan 27 19:17:40 was wondering when apple would finish up that fucker Jan 27 19:18:18 the no contract feature is nice tho Jan 27 19:18:22 the no contract/cancel anytime is kind of sweet... could activate it when you travel... keep it off for months you're near wifi Jan 27 19:18:22 I still rather have that Lenovo U1 hybrid notebook Jan 27 19:18:45 mdklein_: my thoughts exactly Jan 27 19:18:54 they probably squeezed at&t pretty hard for that... I don't know why else they'd offer such a thing :-p Jan 27 19:19:17 i see no front mount camera Jan 27 19:19:18 I hope they didn't have to promise an extension on iphone exclusivity :-\ Jan 27 19:19:42 I called it! Jan 27 19:19:46 $500 Jan 27 19:19:48 "iPad pricing starts at $499" Jan 27 19:19:58 not bad Jan 27 19:19:58 ipad, first bluetooth enabled feminine hygiene product Jan 27 19:20:06 lol, raeb Jan 27 19:20:25 "However, all of the iPad 3G models are unlocked, and they use the new GSM microSIMs." Jan 27 19:20:33 the 250MB plan is probably good enough for me, I doubt I could pull more than that off an AT&T network in a month Jan 27 19:20:47 microSIM? Jan 27 19:20:51 wow that's actually kind of a shock, then again I still wouldn't buy it Jan 27 19:20:58 I'd pay $499 for the base model Jan 27 19:21:04 it meets my needs for a kitchen computer Jan 27 19:21:07 base model does not have 3G Jan 27 19:21:10 I wonder how much for 64GiB + 3G Jan 27 19:21:17 I don't need another breakfast plate Jan 27 19:21:18 total for highest end model is $830 Jan 27 19:21:19 probably $800 + Jan 27 19:21:19 699 at least Jan 27 19:21:21 total for highest end model is $830 Jan 27 19:21:25 "heavy flow day? There's an app for that!!!" Jan 27 19:21:26 829 Jan 27 19:21:36 ooh ouch, 3g adds a good $130 Jan 27 19:21:38 $700 for 64gb + $130 for 3G Jan 27 19:21:44 Adora wants a $499 chopping block Jan 27 19:21:51 geist: considering no contracts $130 isn't bad for a 3g modem Jan 27 19:22:05 well, considering the carriers like to bend you over, sure Jan 27 19:22:14 yeah a bit much Jan 27 19:22:15 but in general I am happy with the pricing Jan 27 19:22:17 i'm sure att gets a cut of that $130 so they can justify the lower cost Jan 27 19:22:30 ok, keyboard dock's pretty slick Jan 27 19:23:09 ugh, 90 days for 3g models Jan 27 19:23:28 $130 is kinda rough for a 3g cellular modem Jan 27 19:23:53 there's johnny! Jan 27 19:24:02 hey geist Jan 27 19:24:07 sup man Jan 27 19:24:12 eh, workin kinda .. Jan 27 19:24:23 keyboard dock, lol Jan 27 19:24:27 hah, im just sittin here in my jammies drinkin coffee and watching this Jan 27 19:24:49 geist, nice - i had a tough time waking up this morning Jan 27 19:24:57 i'm pretty torn usually. i still love apple stuff, know a lot of the folks behind this and wish them the best Jan 27 19:24:58 this is apple you're talking about Jan 27 19:25:06 if apple sold a ball point pen it would be $100 easy Jan 27 19:25:07 and then i go and try to fight the behemoth at work Jan 27 19:25:15 it's a weird world Jan 27 19:25:18 geist, eh - apple's success doesn't mean palm's failure per se Jan 27 19:25:24 why need keyboard dock when have BT ? Jan 27 19:25:25 nah, not for this anyway Jan 27 19:25:35 if anything they'll just open up the tablet market Jan 27 19:25:39 so that others can go play Jan 27 19:25:51 lol @ using apple and "open" in the same sentance Jan 27 19:26:06 maybe it will force other companies to start using IPS / better displays in their mobile products Jan 27 19:26:10 well, they did it for smartphones Jan 27 19:26:19 the ips stuff sounds interesting for sure Jan 27 19:26:29 hold the internet in your hand?? come on every phone does that Jan 27 19:26:30 they did raise the bar on the smartphone market Jan 27 19:26:42 and they exposed a lot more people to it Jan 27 19:26:46 the market expanded a ton Jan 27 19:26:46 and there are a shitton of iZombies Jan 27 19:27:07 nokia already had the internet in your hand, 5 years ago, with the 770 Jan 27 19:27:18 * jacques still uses a thinkpad with IPS display because nothing newer looks as good Jan 27 19:27:21 meh, we had it 8 years ago with the sidekick Jan 27 19:27:28 point is it doesn't exist until the mass market sees it Jan 27 19:27:50 the software experience of the iphone (barring multitasking) is pretty damne smooth Jan 27 19:27:53 yep Jan 27 19:28:08 all apple does is takes something geeks are into, makes it shiny, and sells it to their zombies Jan 27 19:28:14 and bam, market saturation Jan 27 19:28:26 indeed Jan 27 19:28:32 and really there's a lot of thought put into a lot of stuff Jan 27 19:28:36 battery life of this new device sounds good to me personally .. but i think that would appeal to a lot of people Jan 27 19:28:40 working at there really opened my eyes to how you should do things Jan 27 19:28:45 i wish other companies had the marketing genius that apple does Jan 27 19:28:48 we're trying to take some of that mojo at the nupalm Jan 27 19:28:57 geist, is that what you guys call it at work ? Jan 27 19:29:05 heh, no i just coined it right there Jan 27 19:29:19 wassssap! Jan 27 19:29:24 an old meme we used at Be. every time you did something again or redesigned it we called it nu* Jan 27 19:29:24 steve jobs may not be the smartest when it comes to technology, but damn that guy can sell you a turd painted white for the GDP of france and you'll think you got a deal Jan 27 19:29:30 nukernel, nufs, etc Jan 27 19:29:39 they're still on the tablet, is iPhone OS 4.0 not coming? Jan 27 19:29:47 nu-metal Jan 27 19:29:58 geist, nice Jan 27 19:29:59 \m/ Jan 27 19:30:09 Kyusaku, you forgot the jobs penchant for "oh, and one more thing" Jan 27 19:30:09 maybe there will be a "one more thing" Jan 27 19:30:29 free puppies to everyone that buys one Jan 27 19:30:39 balmer has his tourettes, jobs has his "one more thing" Jan 27 19:30:54 speaking of which, i havent looked for a BING BING BING remix after CES yet Jan 27 19:32:09 "there's already 75m people who know how to use this because of how many iPhones and iPod touches we've shipped." Jan 27 19:32:24 maybe that's why they're not making any big ui changes Jan 27 19:32:36 so did apple announce the new devices today? Jan 27 19:32:40 well I called the price right, but I was hoping there'd be more to it :-/ going to pass for now Jan 27 19:32:47 everyone in my lab is waiting for the news Jan 27 19:33:13 tampoon with wifi Jan 27 19:33:16 lol Jan 27 19:33:23 PuffTheMagic, iPad - tablet Jan 27 19:33:58 to call it magical is a bit much IMHO Jan 27 19:34:14 JMyaDaGod: i like that :D Jan 27 19:34:32 wow, no "one more thing" ? :-\ Jan 27 19:34:48 I get to tease iphone owners for a while longer I guess :-D Jan 27 19:35:21 it has iphone os, meaning proprietary as hell.. should've gone macosx Jan 27 19:36:22 Yeah this is no big deal Jan 27 19:36:51 would have been better if they just turned the macbook air into a tablet Jan 27 19:36:53 60 - 90 days from now I may no longer want one Jan 27 19:37:16 gotta spend my $$$ on a dev pre plus anyway :-) Jan 27 19:37:53 i'm sure a lot of knockoffs will be coming with linux/win7 tablet... meaning they will also be open Jan 27 19:38:29 all I ask is IPS screen, ARM proc with 3d accel, and linux Jan 27 19:38:41 Its the type of device I think that unless your really into reading stuff on the tablet, wont get used as much. I have had a tablet PC since 2008. I still use the laptop, but rarely ever do I go in and use the tablet part. Swivel the screen etc. I think for many this will get pushed aside for a full blown mac and their iphone Jan 27 19:38:47 knockoffs? there have already been linux/windows tablets Jan 27 19:38:52 i wonder if you have both iphone/ipad if you have to buy an app twice Jan 27 19:39:28 well i meant one that is close to the ipad form factor, with similar dock, etc Jan 27 19:39:32 JMyaDaGod: It's not a tampon, it's a maxiPad Jan 27 19:39:41 xorg I am typing to you from a windows 7 tablet Jan 27 19:39:49 and it aint no nock off Jan 27 19:39:54 xorg: developers can adapt their app for the iPad, but who is to say they won't set up an "in-app" purchase when trying to load it on iPad Jan 27 19:40:03 :) Jan 27 19:40:16 since you can do that with iPhone/iTunes apps Jan 27 19:40:19 i used to always be in irc from my n810, previous NITs when i had them Jan 27 19:40:40 sorrty CTLAdvance, i shouldn't give apple that much credit... just saying, lookalikes will be marketed Jan 27 19:41:08 wow. already leaked photos of the ipad mini: http://blog.bradgessler.com/leaked-photos-of-the-ipad-mini Jan 27 19:41:09 Kyusaka to profit off of this, I would have both, an iPhone and iPad app so you could buy one or the other Jan 27 19:41:11 i'm sure we'll see a jPad out of HK here soon to go with the jPhone Jan 27 19:41:21 ipad = x86 ? Jan 27 19:41:32 doubtful Jan 27 19:41:42 xorg its safe to say that apple has made the lookalike here ;) Jan 27 19:41:52 gr Jan 27 19:42:00 the big thing is that apple has the good multi-touch, and no one else does; /personally/ I prefer pen tablets (you can draw and write, it is already a mode of walking/working that most people are used to, etc.) Jan 27 19:42:14 but that's what is going to keep the random competitors from being major competition Jan 27 19:42:27 Actually HP has good multitouch since pre 2008 Jan 27 19:42:41 the tx2 has excellent multitouch for a tablet Jan 27 19:42:53 wacom has good multitouch Jan 27 19:43:02 as does synaptic Jan 27 19:43:07 Sorry HP multitouch = Wacom I believe Jan 27 19:43:10 says my gf: "oo, i want a ipad!", says me: most sheeple do Jan 27 19:43:27 CTLAdvance, HP slate? Jan 27 19:43:45 it is when you twist the monitor around and fold it flat Jan 27 19:43:52 HP TX2 Jan 27 19:43:59 some of the higher end HPs have wacom hardware Jan 27 19:44:01 so should palm have an webos pad? I'd at least like to see another phone form factor with larger screen... i might use a webos pad, if it maintains openness to linux Jan 27 19:44:09 acydlord: afaik the synaptics stuff is limted to a few fingers Jan 27 19:44:27 acydlord: the stuff apple bought from fingerworks scales to full 10-finger multitouch, and was designed for keyboards Jan 27 19:44:40 i thought i saw synaptics devices which had 10 finger support with lots of different gestures Jan 27 19:44:49 synaptics does 10fingers Jan 27 19:44:58 the newer wacom panels support more Jan 27 19:45:01 the pre can support up to 10 points too Jan 27 19:45:09 xorg: no, because tablets are lame Jan 27 19:45:09 well, then I'm just even more disappointed that we don't see major awesome competitors to apple's products :( (I hate apple) Jan 27 19:45:10 xorg if they get webos big enough I would expect it to be. WebOS is designed to work on many screen sizes Jan 27 19:45:14 xorg: yes, because people like lame things Jan 27 19:45:34 i like tablets Jan 27 19:45:35 especially if apple introduces em first Jan 27 19:45:45 one of my friend's is getting an n900, i'm tempted to port webos to it Jan 27 19:45:51 i haven't really worked with a tablet, but i'm interested in trying it out Jan 27 19:45:52 the iPad is a dumb tablet, but i thoroughly approve of the form factor Jan 27 19:45:57 my first tablet was a compaq concerto Jan 27 19:46:13 my first tablet that i really liked was the nokia 770 Jan 27 19:46:14 raeb: same here! ;P Jan 27 19:46:18 ipad doesnt even multitask Jan 27 19:46:21 i had that stupid toshiba one before it Jan 27 19:46:23 the nokia n810 is the best tablet i've ever used Jan 27 19:46:34 ditto Mousey Jan 27 19:46:57 seems apple is comparing ipad to advanced kindle rather than x86 tablets Jan 27 19:47:07 its a stupid tablet Jan 27 19:47:11 the other NITs were good too, but the addition of the slide out keyboard was a good move Jan 27 19:47:19 apple is into sponsored content these days, not open products Jan 27 19:47:21 acydlord: yes, made it immently usable Jan 27 19:47:23 oh, so the ipad is an ereader, not a tablet pc Jan 27 19:47:27 if the pre didn't have a keyboard, i wouldn't own one Jan 27 19:47:45 raeb: its a giant iphone you can't make calls on Jan 27 19:47:52 the iPad was just the next logical step for a device that fails as hard as the newton Jan 27 19:48:03 or carry in your pocket Jan 27 19:48:30 iPhail Jan 27 19:48:33 if I had tried to put together a parody of this device launch a month ago, I would have come up with /this very device/ Jan 27 19:48:36 i don't think ipad will fail, too many iJobs followers these days Jan 27 19:48:39 this post i made on twitter wraps the iPad up perfectly http://twitter.com/acydlord/status/8289498333 Jan 27 19:48:56 a ludicrously, comically large iphone, with apps scalled up to fit the screen, the same little home button at the bottom ;P Jan 27 19:49:03 the ipad is what the crunchpad was supposed to be, right ? Jan 27 19:49:07 except a little more expensive ? Jan 27 19:49:29 Adora, tell the hardware guys at palm to make a giant oversized Pre without the cellular radio stat. Jan 27 19:50:07 except the crunchpad actually ran a big boy OS Jan 27 19:50:39 the OS on the iphone is fine .. it's the UI that most people have issues with, is it not ? Jan 27 19:50:51 whats' the next step after the iPad, the iTampon? Jan 27 19:51:14 iPill Jan 27 19:51:27 nice viewing angle on that screen Jan 27 19:51:35 but will it blend? Jan 27 19:51:40 MAxiPad Jan 27 19:52:11 does it have USB at all?? Jan 27 19:52:11 acydlord: blendtech will need to build a blender just for the pad Jan 27 19:52:12 I just don't get why they didn't make a multi touch osx... Jan 27 19:52:21 why use the same os as the iphone? Jan 27 19:52:29 and how does one connect to a projector? mini displayport? Jan 27 19:52:37 Enox, it's probably too hard for their developers Jan 27 19:53:02 jacques: it probably has that iPod/iPhone port Jan 27 19:53:18 "1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch" Jan 27 19:53:33 i am sure the guys who work at apple are very capable engineers Jan 27 19:53:52 "Assisted GPS" Jan 27 19:54:15 i'd like to see them come out with an OS where half of the technical advancements werent ganked from gnome Jan 27 19:54:57 "Support for 1024 x 768 with Dock Connector to VGA adapter" Jan 27 19:55:03 this device would be so worth it if I could run every os x app on it Jan 27 19:55:41 too bad there's no Classic-esque app Jan 27 19:56:17 so the iPad is still not app multi-tasking? Jan 27 19:56:34 Robi__: it doesn't appear to be Jan 27 19:56:44 it's iphone. you only need to do one thing at a time. you'll love it. steve says so Jan 27 19:56:57 No, the ipad isnt multitasking Jan 27 19:56:58 on better news ***FREE DEMOS**** in app catalog Jan 27 19:58:09 JMyaDaGod: sweet Jan 27 19:58:52 how do you have non multi-tasking devices still coming out in this day and age! Jan 27 19:59:08 ipod touch iphone still does Jan 27 19:59:26 hacking needed Jan 27 19:59:42 egaudet_work: I guess for ppl with one track minds Jan 27 19:59:49 I wish app catalog wouldn't have like 5 versions of one app Jan 27 20:00:03 s/5/500/ Jan 27 20:00:09 raeb, exactly Jan 27 20:00:09 raeb: only for fart apps Jan 27 20:00:21 "Nintendo DS Cheat Codes, $6.99, by EmJa Interactive" yeah... :-| Jan 27 20:00:27 hah Jan 27 20:00:32 all the useless apps are in there one time for each dollar of the national deficit Jan 27 20:00:35 I swear... the fart app is like the "Hello, World" Jan 27 20:00:35 6.99 damn Jan 27 20:00:56 acydlord: there aren't that many apps in existance in the world for every OS ever created Jan 27 20:00:56 i wish we could hide apps by developer Jan 27 20:01:02 "Playstation 2 Cheat Codes, $6.99, by EmJa Interactive" Jan 27 20:01:15 EmJa and Brighthouse would be hidden immediately on my phone Jan 27 20:01:17 "PSP Cheat Codes, $6.99, by EmJa Interactive" Jan 27 20:01:21 someone add that to preware! Jan 27 20:01:26 this is depressing Jan 27 20:01:32 jacques: yes Jan 27 20:01:34 i struggle paying that for the NFL let alnoe an app that connects to interne tand pulls cheats that if i wanted i could find my self Jan 27 20:01:51 jfgi PLEASE? Jan 27 20:01:54 Has anyone bought A+ student? Jan 27 20:02:22 heck assassin's creed cost $6.99 Jan 27 20:02:24 I wonder the algorithm of my brain's scheduler :P It definitely has a lot of preemption Jan 27 20:02:51 i can see 6.99 for Assassins creed not for cheats Jan 27 20:03:50 did patches get moved to the new patch framework this week? Jan 27 20:03:51 those cheat apps are probably just a frontend for one of the free cheats sites Jan 27 20:04:08 yep Jan 27 20:04:09 lol Jan 27 20:05:00 Lumiere: yes as of last night Jan 27 20:05:07 aupt v1 Jan 27 20:05:15 egaudet_work: is there a way to remove the virtual keyboard folder in terminal so i dont have to bring everyones phone to my crib that i did Jan 27 20:05:27 rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Jan 27 20:06:06 ok thanks.....did u get any reports of that folder not being removed by anyone else on update all? Jan 27 20:06:45 it will cause issues for everyone yeah Jan 27 20:07:30 well, I guess I should do some work now Jan 27 20:07:45 egaudet_work :ok no prob just gotta make sure i tell them before they call me like my VKB isnt working!!!!!!!!!.....seriously that is the most used patch from my friends that i put preware on there phone Jan 27 20:07:47 I think it's probably mainly just the kb_config.json file that is left over but I just suggest removing the entire folder to be sure Jan 27 20:08:25 really? nice, I plan to get back to development on the vkb at some point just keep getting sidetracked :p Jan 27 20:10:09 egaudet_work : do i need the / at the end of that or not ie. /virtual-keyboard or /virtual-keyboard/ Jan 27 20:11:03 sup guys Jan 27 20:11:06 not here long Jan 27 20:11:12 doesn't matter JMyaDaGod Jan 27 20:11:20 on my weely conference call while I am at my girls' school Jan 27 20:11:26 ok thanks Jan 27 20:12:55 so I figured out PDL_GetDeviceName I think... basically takes a char* buffer as argument, and stores the device name in it... the trick is you have to call something like PDL_SetOrientation(0); first or it doesn't appear to do anything. I haven't fully traced this function as right now I have no apps that make use of it, so flying a little blind. so "int PDL_GetDeviceName(char * buffer)" Jan 27 20:13:43 ewwww I hate that strategy Jan 27 20:13:56 egaudet_work: any idea how much in donations to internals? Jan 27 20:14:03 $1.5M Jan 27 20:14:20 - $1.5M ? I dunno Jan 27 20:15:30 mdklein_: nice job Jan 27 20:15:35 egaudet_work: I just saw a lot of tweets about people donating Jan 27 20:15:43 where? Jan 27 20:16:12 Asphalt alright but not better than Need for speed Jan 27 20:16:32 egaudet_work: duh.. twitter Jan 27 20:16:46 JMyaDaGod: but Asphalt is cheaper than NFS Jan 27 20:16:50 duh I'm not a twitterer Jan 27 20:16:52 :) Jan 27 20:16:56 I dunno what goes on in that birdy land Jan 27 20:17:07 Kyusaku : yea i bought Need for speed first day LMAO Jan 27 20:17:47 hah I bought Glyder2 first day Jan 27 20:17:58 good? worht the change? Jan 27 20:18:12 well it was $2.99 Jan 27 20:18:59 o Jan 27 20:19:12 it's a different experience than those racing games. You fly around a big world and do some obstacles. Jan 27 20:19:51 yea i have a feeling once my grant check comes back and income tax imma buy a lot more apps Jan 27 20:20:23 just need to keep those games coming Jan 27 20:20:56 we still need tetrinet Jan 27 20:21:08 tetrinet is probably the only game i'd keep installed on my pre Jan 27 20:21:18 yea...... damn i would've thought that with plus out someone would've dropped sprint pre to like 50 $ for upgrade somewhere Jan 27 20:21:26 mdklein_: are you working on putting together a header/documentation of libpdl? Jan 27 20:23:31 egaudet_work: first, pm.. and then.. Is there anything interesting in these 7 pages of the thread that I missed between 3am and now? Jan 27 20:23:39 dtzWill: I suppose I could... Jan 27 20:25:25 dBsooner: not really interesting just more fodder for me to work on aupt-2 Jan 27 20:26:06 mdklein_: haha. just satisfying your curiosity then? I was already putting together a lidpdl.h which is why i'm asking--i just hadn't sat down to take pdl apart, sounds like you're well on your way Jan 27 20:26:56 egaudet_work: I thought aupt-2 was like.. long away Jan 27 20:27:31 i hope(d) it was, we'll see where things go Jan 27 20:27:40 it's not in the immediate future though Jan 27 20:36:16 egaudet_work: geez Jan 27 20:36:47 did you answer these people and their "guessing" on how AUPT works .. they are soo wrong. Jan 27 20:36:53 Like how it works after an OTA. Jan 27 20:37:15 They are like, "What if an OTA overwrite this file and then a patch isn't compatible with that patch. . blah blah blah.": Jan 27 20:37:46 dBsooner: i'm curious as to how it _does_ work. is that on a wiki somewhere? Jan 27 20:38:15 dtzWill: it's actually fairly uncomplex when it's all said and done Jan 27 20:38:16 no Jan 27 20:38:23 its very simple Jan 27 20:38:28 Heres the point to remember: Jan 27 20:38:39 But i "explained" it in a post, let me get it Jan 27 20:38:46 If a patch IS NOT COMPATIBLE (read, tested by someone) it WILL NOT be available as an update in the newer version of webos. Jan 27 20:38:54 it will be a -0 ("not ported") patch Jan 27 20:38:59 people are completely missing it Jan 27 20:39:22 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology-9.html#post2181828 Jan 27 20:39:23 dBsooner, technology is still magic to most people Jan 27 20:39:26 dBsooner: yeah, i liked that. it's a nice clean way to keep your patches 'installed' (so you can easily 'upgrade' when they are ported, etc) Jan 27 20:39:44 "but are u sure because i dont want to brick my phone!!!!!!!!!!!" i repeat just a joke^^ Jan 27 20:40:01 but yes people second guessing things sure is annoying :) Jan 27 20:40:38 todo for aupt-2: multi-package touching patches, order-specific installation/removal dependencies, more robust file/image replacement/creation + themes Jan 27 20:40:41 you all are going to like my reply to the therad Jan 27 20:40:50 I ahve already tagged like 6 multi-quotes Jan 27 20:40:54 all about the same thing Jan 27 20:41:12 egaudet_work : dont forget to give AUPT-2 the abilty to make ice cream!!!!!!!! Jan 27 20:41:16 Todo for aupt related tool: emergency tool to hunt down and remove only stubborn patches that can't remove via preware Jan 27 20:41:51 JMyaDaGod: vanilla, chocolate and strawberry :p Jan 27 20:42:20 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology-9.html#post2181828 Jan 27 20:42:24 theres your post egaudet_work Jan 27 20:42:26 on how it works Jan 27 20:42:29 oh .. lol Jan 27 20:42:30 heh i was thinkin ben and jerrys but ok Jan 27 20:42:31 I just looked up Jan 27 20:42:34 my bad Jan 27 20:42:47 egaudet_work: ty for the link, good explaination. and simple doesn't mean easy, and simpe does usually mean it'll work effectively. Jan 27 20:42:54 is the launch coming along well enough? Jan 27 20:43:27 anyone know why some of the patches are having issues being updated/removed? Jan 27 20:43:58 Enox: poor patch creations Jan 27 20:44:04 and failure in patch program itself Jan 27 20:44:10 they aren't able to unapply Jan 27 20:44:18 so epr? Jan 27 20:44:21 and APT (pre-AUPT) was not smart enough to deal with that situation. Jan 27 20:44:22 * dtzWill adds a new captcha to the vba thread: "did you read the wiki?" followed by a short, one-time quiz Jan 27 20:44:24 EPR can usually fix it. Jan 27 20:44:25 lol Jan 27 20:44:30 * Lumiere makes some awesome chocolate cherry sorbet for dBsooner Jan 27 20:44:36 dtzwill thank you Jan 27 20:44:38 seriously Jan 27 20:44:49 starting to lose it with some of these people Jan 27 20:45:31 GBA IS SLOW. how can they say they read it if they ask about slowness with gba Jan 27 20:45:45 Enox: me too, i mostly just don't answer stupid posts, although occasionally i'll reply with a link to the wiki. luckily there are people with thicker skins who are being particularly kind and helping with that thread Jan 27 20:46:11 welcome to the world of mass-market support Jan 27 20:46:28 Lumiere: yep, i understand that's how it goes. doesn't mean i like it :) Jan 27 20:46:32 i love the ones i get in the patch threads saying my patch doesnt work, and then going on to say "well i cant install any patches" Jan 27 20:46:36 * Lumiere notes that OTA install of preware was probably the last thing you wanted to do XD Jan 27 20:46:45 Enox: : hints why VKB is one of the main ones having issues uninstalled... Poor patch creation by the dev. Jan 27 20:47:25 shit man can you Change ur nick Enox ? Jan 27 20:47:37 um no. why would I? Jan 27 20:47:41 btw in an upcoming version of preware Jan 27 20:47:43 o_O that _is_ confusing Jan 27 20:47:45 coz i get fucking highlited! Jan 27 20:47:48 because en0x gets dinged Jan 27 20:47:56 can someone please add an OK ALL Jan 27 20:48:02 for the update all packages Jan 27 20:48:08 Lumiere: post APT patches will auto "OK" Jan 27 20:48:10 because they are signed Jan 27 20:48:14 yay! Jan 27 20:48:16 lol @ VKB comment! Jan 27 20:48:18 :P Jan 27 20:48:19 you are "OK'ing the "prerm Jan 27 20:48:24 sorry? I've used this handle forever. Jan 27 20:48:30 I'll change it Jan 27 20:48:30 prerm of the old APT patch Jan 27 20:48:33 yeah right Jan 27 20:48:34 cool Jan 27 20:48:39 postINST of the new AUPT patch auto confirms Jan 27 20:48:45 at least for now Jan 27 20:48:51 until we remove the signing Jan 27 20:48:51 but it was actually the quick-and-dirty dont-sleep-on-it addition of the new file replacement groundwork stuff Jan 27 20:48:58 Enox, Registered : Jan 23 22:49:22 2010 thats ur nick Jan 27 20:48:58 why are you going to remove signings Jan 27 20:49:10 and my nick: Registered : Jan 09 00:52:59 2006 Jan 27 20:49:21 4 yrs ago! Jan 27 20:49:22 I know. I've used this nick outside of webos community for years Jan 27 20:49:26 Lumiere: because it was just put it to keep Eric and I from going dman bonkers with "OK" 400+ times per terst. Jan 27 20:49:28 sooo sorry Jan 27 20:49:29 OK the PRERM Jan 27 20:49:33 egaudet_work: based upon shoddy results I'm just not running any of that "Virtual Keyboard" guy's software anymore. Jan 27 20:49:33 OK the POSTINST Jan 27 20:49:35 during an Update All Jan 27 20:49:36 dBsooner: lol Jan 27 20:49:38 when we were testing Jan 27 20:49:43 egaudet_work: he's a menace! Jan 27 20:49:46 dBsooner: if you remove it Jan 27 20:49:59 Lumiere: not my call Jan 27 20:50:02 Lumiere: that's rwhitby Jan 27 20:50:06 hehe he certainly is! I wish he would show his face around here too Jan 27 20:50:37 dBsooner: my issue is mostly that every time we do an update all we're gonna hit the same thing Jan 27 20:51:09 signing will be implemented fully not removed Jan 27 20:51:11 don't worry Jan 27 20:51:25 egaudet_work: works for me Jan 27 20:51:51 so when are patches going to show up in app catalog :) Jan 27 20:52:14 (before someone blasts me... I'm kidding) Jan 27 20:52:18 hehe Jan 27 20:53:57 * PuffTheMagic feels a poop brewing Jan 27 20:54:16 one asked me to include a patch into the preware/webosinternal feed Jan 27 20:54:17 PuffTheMagic: thanks for sharing... Jan 27 20:54:20 so will diffstat become obsolete Jan 27 20:54:24 how is it done nowadays? Jan 27 20:54:45 Kyusaku: yeah unless I find a future use for it Jan 27 20:55:46 gkatsev: my pleasure Jan 27 20:56:12 wow first glance at PDL_SetFirewallPortStatus is surprisingly straightforward... I'm not sure if there's more to it yet, but basically PDL_SetFirewallStatus(int portnumber, int enabled) enabled being 1 for enabled, and 0 for disabled... Jan 27 20:56:30 cool Jan 27 20:56:44 so we got set orientation and set firewall working now? Jan 27 20:56:53 and getdevicename Jan 27 20:57:18 mdklein_: i started on a stubbed out libpdl.... i can push the repo in a few hours Jan 27 20:57:49 it basically sends a luna signal to palm://com.palm.firewall/portCtrl with the payload {'label': '%s', 'protocol': 'TCP', 'port': %d, 'isDestinationPort': true, 'isEnabled': %s} if you want a webos app to control firewall, there's your syntax Jan 27 20:58:17 weird, yesterday virtual keyboard failed to update, and now after a reboot it is not installed... Jan 27 20:58:26 now im getting an error Jan 27 20:58:53 says failure during postinst script Jan 27 20:58:56 gkatsev: rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Jan 27 20:58:59 install Jan 27 20:59:06 ok Jan 27 21:02:10 egaudet: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2182616&posted=1#post2182616 Jan 27 21:02:45 be back in an hour or so Jan 27 21:02:48 back to daughters class Jan 27 21:04:39 thanks, that worked Jan 27 21:05:44 I wonder if the feeds can have a note field that displays (like the first time display when preware updates) Jan 27 21:05:57 for stuff like virtual kb failing Jan 27 21:06:32 so you could have a message along the lines of "To fix Virtual Keyboard... rm -rf blah blah" Jan 27 21:07:51 new update in the midst? Jan 27 21:07:57 eh? Jan 27 21:08:35 i just opened preware, 37 new updates?! Jan 27 21:08:43 how many patches Jan 27 21:08:46 do you have installed? Jan 27 21:08:46 i have lots Jan 27 21:08:50 LOTS Jan 27 21:08:58 yea they released AUPT last night Jan 27 21:09:11 so every patch has a new version Jan 27 21:09:14 * rwong launches preware Jan 27 21:09:19 wonderfull Jan 27 21:09:31 of course i can't update all. cuz something has to decide it's gonna fail Jan 27 21:09:33 it should help with OTA upgrades not sucking so much Jan 27 21:11:28 jacques: ugh "Lyrics: Jackson 5" by (you guessed it) EmJa Jan 27 21:13:56 ok, PDL_GetUniqueID() confuses me, I'm not sure _what_ the arguments control for sure, but it takes 2 arguments... a buffer and an integer... if the integer is below or equal to 63, it does nothing, otherwise it copies the nduid of the device into the buffer... int PDL_GetUniqueID(char * buffer, int somethingmightaswellbe64) Jan 27 21:14:07 returns 0 if successful Jan 27 21:15:13 I bet anything they rip lyrics from random websites and release them Jan 27 21:15:44 let's hope someone is around Jan 27 21:15:54 hello..just been redirected here from 2 other palm rooms, i really need help with my ssh...lol yes thx Jan 27 21:16:53 did you check the wiki of webos-internals? Jan 27 21:17:00 yes Jan 27 21:17:06 for 2 hours i have read everything Jan 27 21:17:24 iSmite -- what are you wanting to accomplish? Jan 27 21:17:32 i cant find where it says to get my username and pass it all seems to be when you install that stuff manually and not through preware app Jan 27 21:17:35 well i installed all the optware stuff, ssh, the lot from preware, i have novacom, cyberduck but i dont know how to get a username and password. im not new to ssh i do it on my iphone all the time, been googling for 2 hours and very frustrated Jan 27 21:17:47 mdklein_: is the 2nd argument a bit mask Jan 27 21:18:10 iSmite you are trying to create a new username on the phone? Or you want to ssh into the phone as root? Jan 27 21:18:13 ismite: what it is what you want to do at the end? Jan 27 21:18:21 what he asked.... Jan 27 21:18:21 i.e. 64 and 128 yield different results? Jan 27 21:18:36 yes i want to use it with cyberduck like i do with my iphone not just through terminal thats too complicated for me lol Jan 27 21:18:43 so i can browse it Jan 27 21:18:46 cyberduck? Jan 27 21:18:48 what is cyberduck? Jan 27 21:19:02 its an ssh client that i use with the iphone Jan 27 21:19:09 mac equiv of winscp Jan 27 21:19:14 ah Jan 27 21:19:26 so not an ssh client, but sftp or scp client... Jan 27 21:19:31 sorry yes Jan 27 21:20:02 ok, now, do you want it to have to log in, or do you want to use a set of secure keys to just attach and be ready to go? Jan 27 21:20:25 in other words, do you want it to attach as root? Jan 27 21:20:29 egaudet_work: doesn't appear to be, but I'll dig around a bit more later... Jan 27 21:21:04 sorry im not very good with this terminology. all i know is, when i put username root and pass alpine with my iphone i can browse everything in it, i presume that is root Jan 27 21:21:09 yes it is im sure it is Jan 27 21:21:20 right. Jan 27 21:21:43 in general, on the pre the open source community has avoided allowing ssh logins as root, since it's a huge security vulnerability. Jan 27 21:21:58 doesn't the pre ssh server use public key authentication? Jan 27 21:22:17 In general then, what we've done is require that the user instead of logging in to the pre with a username and password, use a secure public and private key pair Jan 27 21:22:34 and when the ssh client sees that they match, you are magically logged in as root with no username and no password. Jan 27 21:22:43 does that part make sense iSmite??? Jan 27 21:22:45 yes Jan 27 21:23:03 ok, do you have a public/private key pair already created on your mac? Jan 27 21:23:14 no i dont think so Jan 27 21:23:43 can you open a terminal on your mac? A console session? Jan 27 21:24:54 iSmite Can you open a terminal session on the mac please? Jan 27 21:26:32 iSmite Can you open a terminal session on the mac please? Jan 27 21:26:46 yep Jan 27 21:26:54 done Jan 27 21:27:05 ok iSmite ssk-keygen -t dsa Jan 27 21:27:08 oooops Jan 27 21:27:18 ssh-keygen -t dsa Jan 27 21:27:19 sorry Jan 27 21:27:31 just hit enter for the filename Jan 27 21:27:49 type anything for the passphrase that you CAN REMEMBER AND TYPE Jan 27 21:28:15 ok Jan 27 21:28:31 iSmite now cd .ssh Jan 27 21:28:36 thankyou very much for this by the way its been driving me mad Jan 27 21:28:48 it says enter passphrase Jan 27 21:29:03 enter the passphrase you want to use every time you use this key Jan 27 21:29:12 something that you can always remember and type Jan 27 21:29:29 ok Jan 27 21:29:52 says this ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ Jan 27 21:30:02 cool Jan 27 21:30:05 now cd .ssh Jan 27 21:30:07 and ls Jan 27 21:30:11 and you should see two files. Jan 27 21:30:24 one should be id_dsa.pub and the other is_dsa Jan 27 21:30:29 sorry can you tell me exactly what to type at a time Jan 27 21:30:33 im crap at terminal Jan 27 21:30:39 cd .ssh Jan 27 21:30:41 ls Jan 27 21:30:54 ismite-ismites-MacBook:~ iSmite$ cd .ssh Jan 27 21:30:54 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ ls Jan 27 21:30:55 known_hosts Jan 27 21:30:55 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ Jan 27 21:31:38 no files, did i do it wrong Jan 27 21:31:45 cd .. Jan 27 21:31:46 ls Jan 27 21:32:15 look for a file called id_dsa Jan 27 21:32:25 now its giving me a list of things like desktop, documents etc Jan 27 21:32:33 nodnod Jan 27 21:32:42 but did it make an id_dsa? Jan 27 21:32:47 no Jan 27 21:32:50 ok Jan 27 21:32:53 weird. Jan 27 21:33:14 i think im typing it in wrong i dont know if im suposed to type the cd ls ting on one line or seperate Jan 27 21:33:31 gave me this Downloads Music Sites Jan 27 21:33:32 ismite-ismites-MacBook:~ iSmite$ Jan 27 21:33:39 ok Jan 27 21:33:45 you're in your home directory. Jan 27 21:33:48 ok Jan 27 21:33:51 that's what the ~ means Jan 27 21:34:07 if you tell me what to type on one line at a time Jan 27 21:34:11 lol Jan 27 21:34:12 sorry Jan 27 21:34:24 now type "ls -all .ssh" on one line and hit enter. Jan 27 21:34:30 hey adora Jan 27 21:34:47 will this A4 processor on the iPad deter jailbreaking? Jan 27 21:34:47 swisstomcat: heya Jan 27 21:34:53 adora, wouldn't an iPad running webOS be cool? Jan 27 21:34:58 ok now its saying stuff about ismites staff and known hosts Jan 27 21:35:04 Rick_work: indeed it would =] Jan 27 21:35:05 * swisstomcat agrees Jan 27 21:35:06 Rick_work: no, I want usb Jan 27 21:35:17 you never know what palm skunkworks is working on Jan 27 21:35:32 they call them skunkworks for a reason Jan 27 21:35:47 those hard working skunks Jan 27 21:35:52 smelly too Jan 27 21:35:57 ok iSmite let's try it again. Jan 27 21:36:11 ssh-keygen -t dsa Jan 27 21:36:18 it will ask you for a filename -- hit enter Jan 27 21:36:31 it will ask you for a passphrase -- type something simple Jan 27 21:36:41 then, tell me what it says. Jan 27 21:36:56 my identification has been saved in.. Jan 27 21:37:03 key randomart image Jan 27 21:37:18 and a big long thing for key fingerprint Jan 27 21:37:43 type in the first line of the identification saved in thing. exactly. Jan 27 21:38:11 ./Users/iSmite/.ssh/id_dsa. Jan 27 21:38:21 kk Jan 27 21:38:38 ls ./Users/iSmite/.ssh Jan 27 21:39:12 no such file or directory Jan 27 21:39:14 bezel is just too wide Jan 27 21:39:19 looks like a digital photo frame Jan 27 21:39:23 ls /Users/iSmite/.ssh Jan 27 21:39:53 Hello Jan 27 21:39:54 id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts Jan 27 21:40:00 YIPPE Jan 27 21:40:14 cd /Users/iSmite/.ssh Jan 27 21:40:24 ls Jan 27 21:40:38 you see the file called id_dsa.pub ????? iSmite ??? Jan 27 21:40:44 yep Jan 27 21:40:47 ismite-ismites-MacBook:~ iSmite$ cd /Users/iSmite/.ssh Jan 27 21:40:47 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ ls Jan 27 21:40:48 id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts Jan 27 21:40:48 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ Jan 27 21:41:00 kk, now, we need to get that file over to the pre. Jan 27 21:41:18 id never have been able to do that if you hadnt helped me, none of the guides say this Jan 27 21:41:21 do you have a copy of webosQuickInstall? Jan 27 21:41:26 What do we have going on here? Jan 27 21:41:28 yes Jan 27 21:41:36 im just a big n00b ignore me Jan 27 21:41:42 Abyssul I'm helping iSmite get ssh key built and onto his pre. Jan 27 21:41:45 80% done. Jan 27 21:41:46 her Jan 27 21:41:47 lol Jan 27 21:42:06 We all start somewhere Jan 27 21:42:10 What? Another GIRL ???? Jan 27 21:42:19 Adora isn't enough????? :) Jan 27 21:42:24 im an admin on an iphone site..if they could see me here theyd piss themselves laughing Jan 27 21:42:29 kk Jan 27 21:42:31 That makes 2! Jan 27 21:42:34 no problem really.... Jan 27 21:42:47 here's what you're going to do.... Jan 27 21:42:58 * Adora sliiiiiiiiides up next to iSmite Jan 27 21:43:00 did someone take down our Boys Only sign again? Jan 27 21:43:00 only had pre for one day thats my excuse :P Jan 27 21:43:03 hey bebbeh Jan 27 21:43:17 Can you believe the rumors they are spreading about the Pre cpu clocking now? Jan 27 21:43:20 lol im the only woman in our forums irc too Jan 27 21:43:21 is your pre on sprint or big red iSmite ? Jan 27 21:43:33 its on 02 im in uk Jan 27 21:43:36 what rumors? Jan 27 21:43:39 Rofl Jan 27 21:43:40 ahh, the uk Jan 27 21:43:54 i should remember to whois people before making assumptions Jan 27 21:44:16 i wonder why we can't get the asphalt 5 demo outside of the US .. would be a good demo what to expect Jan 27 21:44:17 ismite you're going to use webosQuickInstall to copy that id_dsa.pub file from your mac onto the pre Jan 27 21:44:22 ok Jan 27 21:44:25 that i can do Jan 27 21:44:26 lol Jan 27 21:44:27 Trying to justify clocking the cpu to 600 again and also discussion about clocking it to 700... Jan 27 21:44:40 You're going to put it into the root users home directory in the .ssh folder. Jan 27 21:44:41 i'm going to clock my pre to over9000 Jan 27 21:44:43 Mac?? Jan 27 21:44:50 * Mousey runs EPR Jan 27 21:45:00 acydlord: already did Jan 27 21:45:25 fun Jan 27 21:45:42 Tibfib: did it blow up like a firework? Jan 27 21:45:44 my pre runs at 1001 just to spite snapdragon Jan 27 21:45:48 so iSmite copy it to /home/root/.ssh Jan 27 21:45:51 I made toast. Jan 27 21:45:55 you will probably have to CREATE that directory. Jan 27 21:46:04 hang on Jan 27 21:46:09 i got those 2 file Jan 27 21:46:10 s Jan 27 21:46:12 Once you have done this, your scp client should just connect without needing any passwords or anything. Jan 27 21:46:20 dBsooner: ping Jan 27 21:46:25 i'm probably one of the few people in the world who has IRC as the #1 priority in QoS settings Jan 27 21:46:32 so put both files in home/root/ssh? Jan 27 21:46:53 acydlord: so sad... Jan 27 21:47:04 NO NO .. .ssh not ssh and not both files, just the .pub file. Jan 27 21:47:10 ok Jan 27 21:47:13 well, I suppose you could move both. Jan 27 21:47:17 it wouldn't HURT... Jan 27 21:47:19 ok, move both Jan 27 21:47:20 fine Jan 27 21:47:29 Abyssul, why sad? gotta be able to irc while i torrent stuff Jan 27 21:47:37 i cant get them into webos it wont let me Jan 27 21:48:18 hi guys Jan 27 21:48:33 rick_work how do i get it in Jan 27 21:48:38 does anybody know how to install files i downloaded on my pc? Jan 27 21:48:43 a buddy sent me some apps Jan 27 21:48:54 but they came as rar files Jan 27 21:48:57 webosquickinstall Jan 27 21:49:03 rar? Jan 27 21:49:06 and webos quick install can't handle them Jan 27 21:49:08 not pirated apps i hope Jan 27 21:49:08 yeah Jan 27 21:49:12 rar files Jan 27 21:49:14 naw Jan 27 21:49:15 use 7zip or extractnow to extract the app Jan 27 21:49:20 what inside the rar? Jan 27 21:49:21 some stuff he supposedly progged Jan 27 21:49:25 a folder Jan 27 21:49:31 and inside that? Jan 27 21:49:35 Has to be .ipk Jan 27 21:49:38 they start com.bla Jan 27 21:49:42 yeah, no ipks Jan 27 21:49:45 ... you need an .ipk Jan 27 21:49:49 maybe he did something wrong then Jan 27 21:49:52 why wouldn't he send you the ipk? Jan 27 21:49:56 might be the best to ask hem Jan 27 21:49:59 or you can download the Palm SDK and make it into an IPK yourself Jan 27 21:49:59 what's inside that folder? Jan 27 21:49:59 No luck then, tell him to compile it right Jan 27 21:50:04 i dunno, he sent me those rars Jan 27 21:50:14 that's inside the com.bla folder? Jan 27 21:50:16 the apps resources and stuff Jan 27 21:50:18 whtat's Jan 27 21:50:21 ahh Jan 27 21:50:22 lol stuffs so much easier with deb files :S Jan 27 21:50:30 you can compile it yourself if you have the SDK Jan 27 21:50:41 make an ipk that you can install Jan 27 21:50:56 nah, it's ok Jan 27 21:51:02 it's not like i need this stuff Jan 27 21:51:05 rick_work don't leave me now lol im almost there Jan 27 21:51:13 he just asked me to try it out Jan 27 21:51:18 it's just sample programs Jan 27 21:51:24 iSmite I had to answer a customer call Jan 27 21:51:25 gonna tell him to compile again Jan 27 21:51:29 sorry Jan 27 21:51:30 and I have another. I _am_ at work. Jan 27 21:51:50 Or are you... Jan 27 21:52:10 ill bugger off in a minute, its just i cant get that file into webos, it doesnt recognise it Jan 27 21:53:21 Nonsense,stay for a while :p Jan 27 21:53:53 hmm you lot are a lot more patient than our irc is Jan 27 21:53:56 lol Jan 27 21:53:57 ~seen dbsooner Jan 27 21:54:00 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (21h 46m 32s) #webos-watercooler (21h 46m 32s). Has said a total of 249 messages. Is idling for 51m 12s, last said: 'back to daughters class'. Jan 27 21:54:21 ismite: what do you mean by "can't get that file into webos" Jan 27 21:54:33 i thought he told me to put it in weob quick install Jan 27 21:54:57 yes Jan 27 21:55:02 it wont go in Jan 27 21:55:08 its greyed out when i try and select it Jan 27 21:55:18 let me start webosquickinstall Jan 27 21:56:03 you have to go to the tools menu Jan 27 21:56:04 send file Jan 27 21:56:13 ok Jan 27 21:56:39 what was the destination folder again Jan 27 21:57:04 scroll up, can't remember :) Jan 27 21:57:07 ok i did it its worked Jan 27 21:57:31 (10:45:48 PM) Rick_work: so iSmite copy it to /home/root/.ssh Jan 27 21:58:06 Quake time! Jan 27 21:59:28 ismite: i think you can try again to connect Jan 27 21:59:42 do i need to put username and passphrase in Jan 27 21:59:51 no username Jan 27 21:59:56 i think Jan 27 22:00:06 it's all done via the keys you set up Jan 27 22:00:13 its not connecting:( Jan 27 22:00:23 only your mac and your phone can talk to each other because only they have the right keys Jan 27 22:00:41 can you try the mac terminal? Jan 27 22:00:52 hmm? i just did all that terminal stuff Jan 27 22:00:57 to connect Jan 27 22:01:06 I think you need to tell Cyberduck precisely where your key file is on your mac, iSmite Jan 27 22:01:13 noooo Jan 27 22:01:15 lol Jan 27 22:01:28 should be in the settings Jan 27 22:01:44 ah, that could be Jan 27 22:01:54 connect mode, public key authentication.. Jan 27 22:01:58 yeah Jan 27 22:02:00 and once we're into running MAC software I am so out of here.... Jan 27 22:02:01 key file? Jan 27 22:02:18 rick: ismite send the keyfile to the pre Jan 27 22:02:25 good. Jan 27 22:02:32 yep i just cant connect Jan 27 22:02:35 it times out Jan 27 22:02:38 now she has to tell her scp client where the key file is. Jan 27 22:02:43 yeah Jan 27 22:02:54 or move her key file to wherever the hell the scp program is looking for it. Jan 27 22:02:55 can you tell cyberduck which keyfile to use when conneting? Jan 27 22:03:09 ill paste you a screenshot its quicker Jan 27 22:03:40 In the Connection Dialog or the Bookmark editor in Cyberduck select Use Public Key Authentication and select the private key in your .ssh directory. Jan 27 22:03:56 oo Jan 27 22:04:01 http://trac.cyberduck.ch/wiki/help/en/howto/ssh Jan 27 22:04:26 cyberduck is swiss? :) Jan 27 22:04:31 ok did that Jan 27 22:04:45 not connecting still Jan 27 22:04:47 damnittt Jan 27 22:04:56 any messages/errors? Jan 27 22:04:59 no Jan 27 22:05:04 just tried for ages then times out Jan 27 22:05:13 where do you connect to? Jan 27 22:05:22 ? Jan 27 22:05:24 to an ip-adress .. the one of the pre? Jan 27 22:05:31 im running both off wifi Jan 27 22:05:35 same as i do wih iphone Jan 27 22:05:37 ok Jan 27 22:05:41 wifi is right i checked Jan 27 22:05:57 so i dont put a username or password in? Jan 27 22:06:03 you have to choose where to connect to ..hostname or ip, right? Jan 27 22:06:08 yes Jan 27 22:06:09 your pre Jan 27 22:06:13 what did you put in? Jan 27 22:06:21 do you know your pre's ip-address? Jan 27 22:06:27 the ip of the pres wifi Jan 27 22:06:29 yes Jan 27 22:06:30 lol Jan 27 22:06:44 can you ping that ip-address from the mac (command line)? Jan 27 22:06:54 can you ssh to it from the mac command-line? Jan 27 22:06:55 hang on a min Jan 27 22:07:01 when it asks where is the key Jan 27 22:07:05 I don't think the Pre responds to ping Jan 27 22:07:11 is it the dsa, dsa pub or known hosts Jan 27 22:07:12 ah Jan 27 22:07:27 dsa pub i think Jan 27 22:07:37 let me check Jan 27 22:07:48 it wont connect still Jan 27 22:08:22 you copied the dsa pub to the pre, right? Jan 27 22:09:09 you have to choose the dsa when connecting with cyberduck Jan 27 22:09:17 yes and yes Jan 27 22:09:24 still nada? Jan 27 22:10:49 hang on users/ismite/ssh does not exist, in users there is a .pub file that is called the password i just set up for it in terminal thats the one isnt it? Jan 27 22:11:16 no, the other one Jan 27 22:11:21 you copied the pub file over to the pre Jan 27 22:11:23 what are we trying to accomplish here? Jan 27 22:11:25 end goal Jan 27 22:11:32 ssh to work Jan 27 22:11:36 connect to the pre with cyberduck with ssh Jan 27 22:12:01 i copied the pub file that has the name of my password.pub into my pre was that right Jan 27 22:12:24 when you ran ssh-keygen it made two files: id_rsa.pub and id_rsa Jan 27 22:12:29 correct? Jan 27 22:12:36 ssh as root or no Jan 27 22:12:42 no, public key auth Jan 27 22:12:52 root with public key auth Jan 27 22:13:00 ok Jan 27 22:13:05 I ssh root@mypre with key Jan 27 22:13:09 yes it did but the only 2 files i have are called password.pub and password.rsa Jan 27 22:13:14 ok Jan 27 22:13:19 i wanna do what egaudets doing! Jan 27 22:13:22 and you copied password.pub over to the pre Jan 27 22:13:28 yes i did Jan 27 22:13:29 go onti pre Jan 27 22:13:38 novaterm into pre, mkdir /home/root/.ssh Jan 27 22:13:52 now you use cyberduck and use password.rsa as the key Jan 27 22:14:11 then from desktop do: novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jan 27 22:14:12 how do i 'novaterm onto pre' Jan 27 22:14:15 wait wait wait Jan 27 22:14:17 hold on Jan 27 22:14:18 and then all set Jan 27 22:14:19 too many ppl :( Jan 27 22:14:23 just do one thing at a time Jan 27 22:14:39 public key ident is giving me 2 options Jan 27 22:14:49 use cyberduck with public key authentication and the password.rsa file Jan 27 22:14:57 I'll be silent if you want my method ping me Jan 27 22:15:00 password.pub and id_dsa.pub which one is it Jan 27 22:15:18 thanks egaudet .. we didn't do the authorized_keys yet Jan 27 22:15:36 you said you have password.pub and password.rsa? Jan 27 22:15:41 yes Jan 27 22:15:52 where is id_dsa.pub coming from suddenly? Jan 27 22:16:00 cyberduck found it somewhere Jan 27 22:16:06 on mac/linux it should be really easy. ssh-keygen, copy pub key to pre, done Jan 27 22:16:24 what about authorized_keys on the pre, egaudet? Jan 27 22:16:32 ismite: i'd use password.rsa Jan 27 22:16:39 not pub, the rsa one? Jan 27 22:16:45 rsa Jan 27 22:16:47 ok Jan 27 22:16:48 "copy pub key to pre" meant to be copied to auth keys Jan 27 22:16:59 since you put the pub on the pre Jan 27 22:17:15 you put password.pub on the pre, right? Jan 27 22:17:18 ALL you need is the id_rsa.pub in root's authorized_keys Jan 27 22:17:19 that is all Jan 27 22:17:20 yes i did Jan 27 22:18:12 im completely confused. password.pub and id one are they different when i open users all i see is the password ones but cyberduck has found the id_ ones and the one i put in my pre was password.pub Jan 27 22:18:25 egaudet: use the webosquickinstall to update the authorized_keys? Jan 27 22:18:53 Damnit.... There's a same function on quake? I've been playing level after level thinking I had to make the end without dieing Jan 27 22:19:01 ismite: i assume that password.pub and password.rsa belong together as pairs .. ignore the rest for now Jan 27 22:19:35 the 2 files i can see in users, are password, and password.pub that is all Jan 27 22:19:41 no rsa Jan 27 22:19:44 just those 2 Jan 27 22:20:17 swisstomcat: you can just use novacom command line Jan 27 22:20:21 i presume those are these id_dsa id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:20:25 yes? Jan 27 22:20:51 i copied password.pub to the pre and it installed Jan 27 22:21:01 so now i just need to know what to fill in in cyber Jan 27 22:21:19 novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jan 27 22:21:20 (10:39:54 PM) iSmite: id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts Jan 27 22:21:37 those are the options cyberduck gives me Jan 27 22:21:44 but i can manually select password.pub Jan 27 22:21:49 i'm confused too Jan 27 22:22:08 sorry if I confused things, runs Jan 27 22:22:10 do you have password.pub and password or id_dsa and id_dsa.pub? Jan 27 22:22:18 they are the same Jan 27 22:22:26 have to be Jan 27 22:22:30 i see them as password Jan 27 22:22:35 what do you man they're the same? Jan 27 22:22:36 but cyber sees them as the others Jan 27 22:23:17 back to the terminal Jan 27 22:23:20 if you do Jan 27 22:23:21 ls Jan 27 22:23:25 what do you get? Jan 27 22:23:39 id_dsa id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:23:46 that's it? Jan 27 22:23:52 my mac is naming them as the password i called them though Jan 27 22:24:05 i don't understand? Jan 27 22:24:18 terminal says those 2 files are in user. the only 2 files i have in there apart from folders are the password ones Jan 27 22:24:25 ls shows them as id_dsa, id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:24:37 Abyssul: what do you mean "trying to justify clocking the cpu to 600 again"? Palm already does that Jan 27 22:24:42 yes terminal shpws them as that but my mac shows them as password! Jan 27 22:24:46 .pub Jan 27 22:24:54 what of you mac shows them as password? Jan 27 22:25:03 finder Jan 27 22:25:11 leave finder alone Jan 27 22:25:14 just use the terminal Jan 27 22:25:18 for now Jan 27 22:25:26 two files in the terminal, right? Jan 27 22:25:30 yes Jan 27 22:25:36 which one of those did you transfer to the pre? Jan 27 22:26:04 to get to those files, which it says are in User, i have to open finder to pull them out Jan 27 22:26:09 otherwise Jan 27 22:26:16 howcan i put them in quickinstall Jan 27 22:26:24 ok Jan 27 22:26:36 but when i open User Jan 27 22:26:38 in finder Jan 27 22:26:43 in the finder, do you look at the same directory that the terminal is looking at? Jan 27 22:26:46 they are called password.pub and the other one Jan 27 22:26:51 terminal says Jan 27 22:26:55 user/.ssh Jan 27 22:27:00 .shh does not exist Jan 27 22:27:00 ok Jan 27 22:27:04 in user Jan 27 22:27:08 what? Jan 27 22:27:08 i have the 2 password ones only Jan 27 22:27:15 * swisstomcat is confused Jan 27 22:27:34 .ssh probably wont show up in finder because it is a hidden folder Jan 27 22:27:34 ./Users/iSmite/.ssh Jan 27 22:27:38 ahhhh Jan 27 22:27:44 ahhh Jan 27 22:27:46 rofl Jan 27 22:27:51 so what are those other 2 files then Jan 27 22:27:58 ending in pub with the password i set up Jan 27 22:28:00 maybe you created them? Jan 27 22:28:02 in terminal Jan 27 22:28:12 they went there after i did those terminal things Jan 27 22:28:25 transfering files is an EASY novacom command Jan 27 22:28:25 let's start again then Jan 27 22:28:27 you do not need QI Jan 27 22:28:33 if you have novacom Jan 27 22:28:38 dunno, macs are weird and do silly things Jan 27 22:28:41 i have novacom ye Jan 27 22:28:43 you need to have novacom if you are using QI... Jan 27 22:28:54 allright Jan 27 22:28:56 well I guess QI gets novacom out of the 200+ MB doctor Jan 27 22:29:02 i see Jan 27 22:29:02 but just install the SDK Jan 27 22:29:10 i have sdk Jan 27 22:29:12 use novacom command line, be done in 10 seconds Jan 27 22:29:31 seems fair Jan 27 22:29:44 ok, let's tranfer that id_rsa.pub file over to the pre Jan 27 22:30:17 yeah just tell me how i can when its hidden lol Jan 27 22:30:35 its id_dsa not rsa Jan 27 22:30:36 novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jan 27 22:30:39 its on fuckin espn. what is this world coming to Jan 27 22:30:43 up where it lets you navigate in finder, type the address Jan 27 22:30:55 or do as egaudet_work suggests Jan 27 22:30:59 hang on though Jan 27 22:31:05 you are all saying its rsa Jan 27 22:31:11 its dsa Jan 27 22:31:17 novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:31:21 ok Jan 27 22:31:25 i use rsa, dsa should befine Jan 27 22:31:30 knickrox1313 : whats on ESPN? Jan 27 22:31:37 theyre talking about the ipad Jan 27 22:31:50 o Jan 27 22:31:54 novacom logs itself off as soon as i open it wtf Jan 27 22:31:55 dsa is fine too, ismite Jan 27 22:32:33 Last login: Wed Jan 27 21:26:51 on ttys000 Jan 27 22:32:34 ismite-ismites-MacBook:~ iSmite$ /opt/nova/bin/novacom ; exit; Jan 27 22:32:34 version: novacom-13 Jan 27 22:32:34 usage: /opt/nova/bin/novacom [-a address] [-p port] [-t] [-q] [-l] [-d device] Jan 27 22:32:40 then it logs out Jan 27 22:32:43 i cant type anything Jan 27 22:32:48 novaterm Jan 27 22:32:58 knickrox1313, ESPN is owned by the same parent company as disney, which owns a large chunk of apple, what do you expect? Jan 27 22:33:05 novaterm will give you a shell Jan 27 22:33:25 running the command exactly as I typed it Jan 27 22:33:28 don't type novacom Jan 27 22:33:35 by itself Jan 27 22:33:45 root@palm-webos-device:/# Jan 27 22:33:49 wtf Jan 27 22:33:51 oh Jan 27 22:33:54 ./bin/sh: cannot open ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub: no such file Jan 27 22:33:54 root@palm-webos-device:/# Jan 27 22:34:09 :sigh: Jan 27 22:34:19 run it the way he typed it Jan 27 22:34:24 not from pre Jan 27 22:34:24 i thought i did Jan 27 22:34:31 the way I gave it was from mac, now you novaterm'd into pre Jan 27 22:34:37 oh Jan 27 22:34:41 exit Jan 27 22:34:42 to get out Jan 27 22:34:48 then try again Jan 27 22:34:52 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/150051/facepalm.gif Jan 27 22:35:27 what's this? Jan 27 22:35:42 i only did that cos mdklein said to open novaterm, novacom closes itself instantly what am i supposed to be typing it in!? Jan 27 22:35:47 something to cheer egaudet_work up lol Jan 27 22:35:54 hehe Jan 27 22:36:03 yeah yeah v funny lol Jan 27 22:36:08 (11:31:17 PM) egaudet_work: novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:36:09 i told u im not used to doing commands Jan 27 22:36:21 copy paste Jan 27 22:36:31 I was confused as to what you were trying to do Jan 27 22:36:42 novaterm is how I talk to my pre most of the time Jan 27 22:36:52 mdklein_: same here Jan 27 22:36:54 i usually just yell at my pre Jan 27 22:37:03 i said before that novacom opens then logs itself out so how can i paste into it Jan 27 22:37:11 although it does get really flaky at times requiring unplug/replug usb Jan 27 22:37:13 no Jan 27 22:37:19 iSmite, you're pasting that entire line to the terminal on the mac Jan 27 22:37:23 paste into the mac terminal Jan 27 22:37:26 not into novacom Jan 27 22:37:30 exactly Jan 27 22:39:09 ok i literally followed what you said i typed it into terminal and got this Jan 27 22:39:14 i pasted it sorry Jan 27 22:39:15 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:39:16 -bash: file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys: No such file or directory Jan 27 22:39:16 ismite-ismites-MacBook:.ssh iSmite$ Jan 27 22:39:41 weird, I get a "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for org.webosinternals.messagingjabber: org.webosinternals.messaging" when trying to install the messaging plugins Jan 27 22:39:57 the systemfiles and patch installed fine though Jan 27 22:39:59 from what I can see Jan 27 22:40:08 iSmite: "novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub" Jan 27 22:40:38 ok i think it worked Jan 27 22:40:47 thanks for putting the quotes in Jan 27 22:40:49 navigating the nvidia website makes me want to smash things sometimes.... Jan 27 22:40:51 lol Jan 27 22:41:01 well you were only supposed to type/paste what was *inside* the quotes Jan 27 22:41:07 no lol Jan 27 22:41:10 i only placed the quotes there so that you knew what you were supposed to type Jan 27 22:41:12 yours was fine Jan 27 22:41:16 strange..... Jan 27 22:41:17 no thats what im saying Jan 27 22:41:20 im agreeing Jan 27 22:41:29 before i thought they meant type it INTO novacom Jan 27 22:41:31 ssh root@ now Jan 27 22:41:45 mdklein_, owning an nvidia card makes me want to smash things sometimes Jan 27 22:41:57 "ssh root@" substitute with the pre's ip address Jan 27 22:42:03 I'm assuming you installed openssh via preware Jan 27 22:42:08 ismite: in the mac terminal again Jan 27 22:43:05 ok its worked Jan 27 22:43:12 it asked me for pass Jan 27 22:43:27 Identity added: /Users/iSmite/.ssh/id_dsa (/Users/iSmite/.ssh/id_dsa) Jan 27 22:43:27 Agent pid 15464 Jan 27 22:43:27 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# Jan 27 22:43:29 ugh, if this creditor doesnt stop calling me i'm gonna wardial their 800 number Jan 27 22:43:45 iSmite success Jan 27 22:43:50 you are now ssh'd into your pre Jan 27 22:43:54 wohoo Jan 27 22:43:55 so..what do i have to put into cyberduck then Jan 27 22:43:58 lol Jan 27 22:44:00 ;D Jan 27 22:44:26 I don't know cyberduck but I assume nothing more than setting username as root and ip as pre's ip Jan 27 22:44:46 put in 'root' for the username or the name i set up in terminal before Jan 27 22:44:50 and the keyfile? Jan 27 22:44:58 acydlord: it seems like they send me to 20 different pages just to get the Cuda toolkit and various drivers needed, sigh Jan 27 22:45:41 I would assume cyberduck doesn't need you to specify the key file as it's part of standard ssh protocol Jan 27 22:45:57 but I don't have a mac so I don't know Jan 27 22:46:01 mdklein_, i got in an endless loop with dell/nvidia before, needed the drivers for the card on an xps, dells site sent me to nvidia, nvidia's site sent me back to dell Jan 27 22:46:50 as far as i saw in the cyberduck docu, you have/can speficy a keyfile Jan 27 22:46:52 ok i have username. i set up a usename in terminal do i put that or root. and do i put in the password i set up in terminal. and do i leave the keyfile blank. Jan 27 22:47:06 3 things i have to fill in. Jan 27 22:47:16 probably username and keyfile .. i'd say Jan 27 22:47:29 is there a way to start/stop a service via gui? Jan 27 22:47:31 anyone install youview? Jan 27 22:47:37 keyfile is the pub one or the dsa one Jan 27 22:47:44 i.e. /etc/init.d/$service start Jan 27 22:47:47 it would be the dsa one Jan 27 22:47:58 port 222? Jan 27 22:48:04 22 Jan 27 22:48:44 omg i was almost there Jan 27 22:48:50 it asked me for my password then it failed Jan 27 22:48:56 swisstomcat u try youview? Jan 27 22:48:57 should not ask for pw Jan 27 22:49:08 mobgod: what's youview? Jan 27 22:49:13 ssh protocol asks for pw only if key authentication fails. Jan 27 22:49:29 egaudet: she said that ssh on the terminal also asked for the password Jan 27 22:49:39 i wish my ibook wasnt halfway across town so i could fire up cyduck and do this mess Jan 27 22:49:45 (11:43:12 PM) iSmite: it asked me for pass Jan 27 22:49:47 ''enter the passphrase for the private key file id_dsa' Jan 27 22:49:59 ah, that's something different Jan 27 22:50:00 so i do and it fails Jan 27 22:50:25 that's the passphrase you used when you created the two files id_dsa and id_dsa.pub Jan 27 22:50:32 yep and thats what i am putting in. Jan 27 22:50:35 (via ssh-keygen) Jan 27 22:50:41 yes Jan 27 22:50:45 its rejecting it Jan 27 22:50:52 saying? Jan 27 22:51:07 login failed Jan 27 22:51:21 screenshot of this screen? I got no idea what cyberduck looks like :p Jan 27 22:51:34 2 secs Jan 27 22:52:25 pm cos all my infos on it Jan 27 22:52:41 iSmite: wrong file permissions? Jan 27 22:52:47 so reading cyberduck I get this: Jan 27 22:52:50 Contrary to OpenSSH, we do not use the keys named ~/.ssh/identity, ~/.ssh/id_rsa or ~/.ssh/id_dsa by default. Jan 27 22:53:51 why do they have to do everything retarded just because its on a mac? Jan 27 22:54:15 but i thought you can specifiy which key to use when connecting, right? Jan 27 22:54:25 IM IN Jan 27 22:54:28 ;D Jan 27 22:54:39 f'kin hell that was complicated Jan 27 22:54:42 what did you change? Jan 27 22:54:46 how am i ever gonna remember that if i need to do it again Jan 27 22:54:54 username needed to be root Jan 27 22:54:54 iSmite: it's so simple Jan 27 22:55:02 all of this could have been condensed to 3 commands Jan 27 22:55:03 ah Jan 27 22:55:09 its nothing like the iphone and im used to the iphone Jan 27 22:55:14 asd Jan 27 22:55:15 you dont need terminal for iphone Jan 27 22:55:16 :) Jan 27 22:55:17 we just ran a mile to get by a small fence that's all :P Jan 27 22:55:36 did you install openssh via preware? Jan 27 22:55:39 yeah Jan 27 22:55:42 k Jan 27 22:55:53 whem does the service start? Jan 27 22:56:01 whenever wifi is if.up-ed? Jan 27 22:56:29 egaudet...what if the pre ip changes that wont f it all up will it i can just type the new one in Jan 27 22:56:49 right Jan 27 22:56:56 ta Jan 27 22:57:02 yah Jan 27 22:57:16 ill never be able to do this again Jan 27 22:57:21 i cant remember it Jan 27 22:57:22 lol Jan 27 22:57:28 i miss root-alpine!!! Jan 27 22:57:51 shutdown and reboot and then try again Jan 27 22:57:56 it should be easy Jan 27 22:58:06 no i mean if i have to reinstall snow leo or osmething Jan 27 22:58:29 is there somewhere i can get those terminal commands in a text file Jan 27 22:58:38 cos with those 2 methods im just totally confused Jan 27 22:59:24 brb if one of you have the time maybe at some point to put it in a .txt for me so i wont have to come in here and bug you then next time i reformat Jan 27 22:59:29 night everyone Jan 27 22:59:29 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Jan 27 23:00:05 you know what Jan 27 23:00:19 i read that countless times and i didnt understand a word of it but now you explained it i do Jan 27 23:00:25 ive never really used terminal Jan 27 23:00:34 and it made no sense to me it was like swahili that was Jan 27 23:01:02 welcome to the wonderful world of terminal Jan 27 23:01:02 ~seen abyssul Jan 27 23:01:07 abyssul was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 42m 14s ago, saying: 'Damnit.... There's a same function on quake? I've been playing level after level thinking I had to make the end without dieing'. Jan 27 23:01:25 us oldtimers that still rememer DOS 2.11 have no problems with terminal :) Jan 27 23:01:28 i might be a noob at this but ask me to do some photoshop work for you, or explain about iphones file system :P Jan 27 23:01:35 im not a kid im 29... Jan 27 23:01:37 but Jan 27 23:01:47 i do graphic design not any sort of coding Jan 27 23:01:58 i could use some graphic design help Jan 27 23:02:05 for my app Jan 27 23:02:13 what app is it? Jan 27 23:02:19 moo Jan 27 23:02:21 hang on gimme a min despertae for toilet Jan 27 23:02:25 lol @ apple advertising a "breakthrough deal with AT&T" - $14.99 for 250MB Jan 27 23:03:43 iSmite yea we could probably explain things a bit better on that wiki for those who aren't familiar with terminal/command-line Jan 27 23:03:59 weirdsauce, my D: drive just spooled up Jan 27 23:04:03 egaudet_work: i am about to start auto-banning people for saying: Jan 27 23:04:08 ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure duuring post-install script exe Jan 27 23:05:04 dBsooner, change it to ErrorGenericMethodException: PEBKAC Jan 27 23:07:28 egaudet yes you need to, like i said if someone asked me anything like that to do with iphone i could tell them instantly how to jailbreak, ssh, tweak everything Jan 27 23:07:40 but the pre stuff seems a lot different Jan 27 23:08:26 it is a different OS Jan 27 23:08:27 regarding the app, i presume its for pre and i have had my pre 1 day if it was for iphone i have done app uis before many times i could do that for you within a day or two but i need to learn all the .png dimensions and names first Jan 27 23:08:35 i know it is lol i have to learn it Jan 27 23:08:40 like i did with iphone Jan 27 23:09:00 iSmite: to be fair jailbreaking the iphone leaves it VERY insecure, using the same dictionary-word password for root login Jan 27 23:09:07 hence the big iphone hack last month Jan 27 23:09:15 yep it does you get that stupid rickroll virus so you have to change them Jan 27 23:09:25 we had a lot of users come in and panic about that Jan 27 23:09:39 and most of the hacks available on webos can be applied without having to evr see a command line Jan 27 23:10:02 yep one of the reasons we don't suggest setting a root password and support the key method instead (which makes getting the public key onto the pre a requirement) Jan 27 23:10:03 night everyone Jan 27 23:10:19 security is very important to us Jan 27 23:10:26 but, having never had to do that it was complicated for me to understand Jan 27 23:10:29 but ill learn Jan 27 23:10:40 understandable, we can work to make the instructions cleaner. Jan 27 23:10:54 egaudet_work: we just overlapped each other on tha tanswer to that jeremy guy Jan 27 23:10:59 he rubbed me the wrong way Jan 27 23:11:00 Also if you would like you can add to the wiki page since you know what others are coming in with regarding being new to terminal/command-line Jan 27 23:11:01 but I still replied. Jan 27 23:11:17 hmm thats an idea Jan 27 23:11:30 i did a similar thing on how to install .deb files on iphone people find that really hard Jan 27 23:11:42 the dkpg command Jan 27 23:11:59 then when you know it its easy Jan 27 23:12:16 egaudet_work: we doubled preware.org's traffic. :) Jan 27 23:12:37 anyway if any of you ever need any graphics doing for iphone, and pre once i familiarise myself with it just ask Jan 27 23:13:05 my last theme had over 10, 000 downloads from cydia Jan 27 23:13:33 nice, so you plan on hanging out here in the wonderful world of webos for a while? Jan 27 23:13:36 iSmite: hmm, I might perhaps engage you in designing a UI for an app Jan 27 23:14:00 yeah i want to learn it same as i did with iphone when it first came out now i admin a forum of 350, 000 people Jan 27 23:14:16 i asked the same n00b questions then lol Jan 27 23:14:21 has anyone installed youview? Jan 27 23:14:51 xcomp: how u been? Jan 27 23:14:54 iSmite congrats on pulling it off. Jan 27 23:14:56 if im not in here, i admin on irc.moofspeak.net #xsellize im there pretty much 24/7 as i have colloquy going on a bouncer on iphone Jan 27 23:15:00 very nice Jan 27 23:15:08 iSmite pay it forward by editing the wiki please pretty please? Jan 27 23:15:23 iSmite: now you just need wIRC ;) Jan 27 23:15:23 PuffTheMagic: pretty good, been rather busy lately Jan 27 23:15:27 i have wirc Jan 27 23:15:32 but its very basic Jan 27 23:15:32 :D Jan 27 23:15:44 i wish they would bring something like flowchat out for palm Jan 27 23:15:51 i cant even ident on wirc Jan 27 23:16:01 and no photo link upload Jan 27 23:16:05 :( Jan 27 23:16:14 iSmite: it does have tab complete Jan 27 23:16:19 lol Jan 27 23:16:24 iSmite: i coudlnt live with out that Jan 27 23:16:34 but i cant ident on it... Jan 27 23:16:50 iSmite: you cant indent in any irc client i've ever used Jan 27 23:16:57 lol? Jan 27 23:17:09 PuffTheMagic: he means ident(ify) Jan 27 23:17:16 ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Jan 27 23:17:28 iSmite: ident port is blocked over sprints network Jan 27 23:17:34 im not on sprint Jan 27 23:17:36 so not much point in implementing Jan 27 23:17:43 xcomp: so how far did you get piddling with the engine? Was it kind of at the point you realized there is a lot of xgl? :p Jan 27 23:17:46 ident is useless why do you need it? Jan 27 23:17:50 im on o2 uk and i can ident fine with colloquy and flowchat on iphone Jan 27 23:18:06 again why do you need ident Jan 27 23:18:07 because im an admin and i need to kick and ban people out of the room Jan 27 23:18:10 lol Jan 27 23:18:15 or it goes chaotic Jan 27 23:18:26 what server is that? Jan 27 23:18:31 moofspeak Jan 27 23:18:48 iSmite: well i did have code for a small fake ident response Jan 27 23:19:03 zsoc: yeah i've been past that point :) Jan 27 23:19:05 but ther eis no way i am implementing ident to spec Jan 27 23:19:22 xcomp: er, passed as in you fixed it? or passed as in that's when you said the hell with it? :> Jan 27 23:19:27 zsoc: i took a step back to familiarize myself a bit more with OGL and SDL Jan 27 23:19:28 ident is silly Jan 27 23:19:36 but if you want to install xinitd and identd go ahead Jan 27 23:19:40 thats one thing i really cant live without a full irc client. have you seen flowchat for iphone? Jan 27 23:19:55 zsoc: once I feel a bit more comfortable I don't think it will take long to get the engine completed Jan 27 23:20:01 iSmite: i've never touched an iphone Jan 27 23:20:02 wIRC is _really_ close to a full irc client... and it's something like 4 weeks of development. Jan 27 23:20:05 it made sense back when everyone was on multiuser systems maintained by conscientious admins. Jan 27 23:20:17 zsoc: I spoke to raster and he says it should be pretty simple (but then, EVERYTHING is pretty simple to raster) Jan 27 23:20:23 iSmite: i plan on doing a big rewrite for the next version of wIRC Jan 27 23:20:25 but now ident is a convenient lie on single user system most of the time Jan 27 23:20:26 puffthemagic can you at least look at the features though http://flowchat.me/ Jan 27 23:20:31 i used to know one of the devs Jan 27 23:20:35 its such a great app Jan 27 23:20:41 iSmite: i know what is required for a full blown irc client Jan 27 23:20:46 iSmite: i just have too many projects Jan 27 23:20:54 im not saying wIRC is complete either Jan 27 23:21:13 xcomp: hmm.. so i'm wondering if i should give up my efforts? I'm ok with it conceptually (and honestly an sdl implementation is much easier than an egl one), but the xgl stuff is giving me a headache Jan 27 23:21:29 im not knocking it, its just i wish i could do the same stuff on pre as on iphone and irc i use 24/7 Jan 27 23:21:32 iSmite: like zsoc said, we got that working to the state its in fairly quickly and i just have too many projects and not enough time Jan 27 23:21:39 PuffTheMagic: we probably should at least go back and get out 0.0.5 release, we have a lot of stuff in git since 0.0.4 Jan 27 23:21:51 egaudet_work: none of that stuff is usefull Jan 27 23:21:54 egaudet_work: i didn't even know you worked on it :p Jan 27 23:22:07 didn't we fix a lot of small stuff? aside from the lag timer stuff Jan 27 23:22:09 egaudet_work: all i did was change to lots of subscriptions and added the lag stuff Jan 27 23:22:18 egaudet_work: so was there something conceptually wrong with the idea of a manual ipkg removal for patch issues (as opposed to forcing everyone to EPR everytime something goes wrong) Jan 27 23:22:19 and oil added multipage prefs Jan 27 23:22:22 nothing special Jan 27 23:22:46 egaudet_work: my next release of wIRC will be a SDL version with no service Jan 27 23:22:59 PuffTheMagic: elite Jan 27 23:23:03 zsoc: with AUPT's smarts now manual ipkg removal is probably fine, you just have to ENSURE you install ALL the patches again Jan 27 23:23:06 PuffTheMagic: and evas after that? :> Jan 27 23:23:08 EPR is suggested because it fixes the OS files too Jan 27 23:23:19 zsoc: thats what i means SDL/Elementary Jan 27 23:23:28 zsoc: perhaps you could help me out once I've dissected out the glx stuff enough to be able to commit a stub into SVN Jan 27 23:23:36 PuffTheMagic: I thought there was a lot more than just that, but I don't remember Jan 27 23:24:01 egaudet_work: naaa not really Jan 27 23:24:12 "my next release" Jan 27 23:24:22 well at least i got everyone talking about it lol Jan 27 23:24:25 egaudet: Ok, so howabout this, during an ipkg error on any patch (installing or removing), there's a third button, an option to "force install/remove" which runs a manual removal and reinstallation (and removes again if that was the original action) Jan 27 23:24:37 egaudet_work: that would fix 95% of the patch issues people have Jan 27 23:24:49 egaudet_work: i didnt really think you cared too much about working on wIRC Jan 27 23:24:59 egaudet_work: not that i dont want/welcome your help Jan 27 23:25:06 cause i still hope you do work on it Jan 27 23:25:25 PuffTheMagic: I care about working on everything, only thing is time/priorities :P Jan 27 23:25:28 but wIRC and terminus is all i probabl will have time for Jan 27 23:25:54 thats what i really meant Jan 27 23:25:57 PuffTheMagic: also what benefits will we get from evas vs. what we have Jan 27 23:25:59 you had other priorities Jan 27 23:26:09 there aren't many performance issues or troubles with what we have Jan 27 23:26:30 egaudet_work: evas/ecore will make programming a lot easier/simpler Jan 27 23:26:35 it would simplify the the service code Jan 27 23:26:41 and it wouldnt even have to be a service any more Jan 27 23:26:46 although I still pretty much know nothing about evas Jan 27 23:26:48 which would make a lot of things cleaner Jan 27 23:27:04 plus the ui could be sharper not being constrained to webos widgets Jan 27 23:27:05 ecore handles all your events/communication fo ryou Jan 27 23:27:25 egaudet_work: i've never written in it either Jan 27 23:27:32 and evas state and rendering Jan 27 23:27:32 egaudet_work: but its C Jan 27 23:27:34 why are there so few apps for palm os, compared to iphone there's hardly anything Jan 27 23:27:35 and i can follow docs Jan 27 23:27:45 and we in uk dont even have paid app store yet Jan 27 23:27:47 iSmite: cause its 6 months old Jan 27 23:27:49 barely Jan 27 23:27:57 thngs like edje - complex state files saved to disk (designed) and able to be loaded - and replaced any time Jan 27 23:28:06 elementary - full on finger-friendly toolkit Jan 27 23:28:16 edje is slick Jan 27 23:28:44 me and zsoc are gonna rewrite webOS in efl libs :D Jan 27 23:28:47 PuffTheMagic: you had me at "C" :P Jan 27 23:28:55 egaudet_work: :D Jan 27 23:28:57 hehehehe Jan 27 23:29:08 yeah a C graphics lib is baller Jan 27 23:29:14 native apps - with the same facilities u'd expect of a full sdk - Jan 27 23:29:18 but palm doesnt provide it Jan 27 23:29:20 lol ... I was actually thinking the other day that palm would be smart to just rewrite Luna using evas/ecore/edje Jan 27 23:29:24 also your apps will be portable Jan 27 23:29:49 as such... expect more devices to appear that are.... ecore/evas/edje/elementary etc. based Jan 27 23:29:53 (out of the box) Jan 27 23:30:16 what is webos using now? sdl? direct framebuffer? Jan 27 23:30:27 piso: /dev/fb Jan 27 23:30:27 luna uses fb direct Jan 27 23:30:35 i see Jan 27 23:30:48 piso: and... dun dun DUNN, software rendering D: Jan 27 23:30:58 the only thing that piss me off about my pre Jan 27 23:31:02 is that is swapping Jan 27 23:31:03 nuffinf wrong with software rendering! Jan 27 23:31:03 :) Jan 27 23:31:10 evas's core is software Jan 27 23:31:16 u can flip into gl as your rendering engine Jan 27 23:31:25 but software is what has been used ever since - is fasta nd stable Jan 27 23:31:46 i'm not a gfx guru Jan 27 23:31:59 isn't direct fb exploiting any gpu hw? Jan 27 23:32:10 no no its not suing directfb Jan 27 23:32:13 its using plain fb Jan 27 23:32:16 not dfb Jan 27 23:32:20 ah ok Jan 27 23:32:21 ah Jan 27 23:32:31 poor cpu then Jan 27 23:32:32 :) Jan 27 23:32:54 infobot: seen rwhitby Jan 27 23:32:56 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (9h 53m 36s) #oe (9h 53m 36s) #nslu2-linux (9h 53m 36s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 8h 47m 49s, last said: 'I only did it 4 times myself, so I imagine he did it more than 20 or 30 times.'. Jan 27 23:33:03 hey jacques Jan 27 23:33:24 but that is what evas fixes ... with evas, gfx on the cpu doesn't have to eat up cycles Jan 27 23:33:25 howdy rwhitby sorry to wake you. I just hadn't seen you around in a while Jan 27 23:33:31 raster: if the issue isn't software rendering.... why can something like... compiz for instance, not run without DRI? Jan 27 23:33:51 didn't wake me, just having breakfast at the hotel in Nagoya before jumping back on the Shinkansen back to Tokyo Jan 27 23:34:16 rwhitby: ah I didn't know / forgot you were on a trip - how is it? Jan 27 23:34:22 xcomp: correc. u can start with software - and swiitch to "something else" - the rest is abstracted far enough from you\ Jan 27 23:34:31 * jacques looooves tokyo Jan 27 23:34:41 zsoc: well ... tbh there are many things that compiz does that could be done efficiently in software Jan 27 23:34:44 * jacques wants to go back Jan 27 23:34:50 same as any other business trip - a random collection of hotels, trains and meeting rooms. Jan 27 23:34:52 zsoc: eh? compiz is ONLY opengl based firstly. Jan 27 23:34:59 secondly - it uses texture-frompixmap extension Jan 27 23:35:13 a specific extension to opengl to allow a texture and pixmap to be the same primitive Jan 27 23:35:17 zsoc: but then compiz also overcomes inherent xlib limitations (compositing) Jan 27 23:35:39 and for that - dri is needed so gl and x can actually share this data that is not normally shared Jan 27 23:35:49 alright heading home, bbl Jan 27 23:36:03 rwhitby: I am going to submit a proposal for a lightning talk at SCALE - any guidance as to subject matter ? Jan 27 23:36:04 jacques: ã»ã‚“ã¨ã ï¼ Jan 27 23:36:35 jacques: mobile on-the-fly operating system patching technology? Jan 27 23:36:39 raster: well I was only there for a few days :-D Jan 27 23:36:48 jacques: æ±äº¬ã¯ã™ãŽãƒ¼ãƒ¼ã§ã™ã­ï¼ Jan 27 23:37:14 raster: 今ã®ã‚’ç†è§£ã™ã‚‹ ^_^ Jan 27 23:37:17 rwhitby: sounds good to me. I guess I will have to learn the intricacies, including AUPT Jan 27 23:37:44 raster: and why evas is faster if it's still sw rendering? Jan 27 23:38:00 rwhitby: enjoying your time? Jan 27 23:38:11 I gotta do the proposal by Monday Jan 27 23:38:14 i just wanna say thanks to everyone in here for having the patience to help me, i am tellling my staff now in our room they need to treat people like you lot do Jan 27 23:38:33 xcomp: compositing can be done in software. e17's default compositor mode (new comp module) is software Jan 27 23:38:36 and its amazingly useful Jan 27 23:38:53 raster: maybe you are a better architect then you give yourself credit for? Jan 27 23:39:08 (mostly because drivers like to keep pixmaps in system ram and not in video ram - and this is crating big problems for the gl compositing path) Jan 27 23:39:26 piso: faster than what? Jan 27 23:39:27 raster: yeah I was actually referring to the whole texture/pixmap thing done in OGL Jan 27 23:39:50 raster: faster than blitting into /dev/fb Jan 27 23:39:56 my point was that the actual graphics effects that it does, many of them could be done efficiently in software Jan 27 23:40:03 raster: i guess evas is still using /dev/fb as the backend, right? Jan 27 23:40:15 zsoc: 新本語ã§ã—ã‚ï¼ Jan 27 23:41:01 zsoc: dunno. i've never rated myself on architecting. i just do what i think should be done. :) Jan 27 23:41:20 xcomp: oh yeah. that is - good.. in theory.. actually getting it to work is a bitch. Jan 27 23:41:49 piso: wait - software rendering faster than blitting into /dev.fb?how do u blit to /dev/fb? memcpy? :) Jan 27 23:42:11 memcpy is... software Jan 27 23:42:16 yep Jan 27 23:42:20 as such blitting to /dev./fb is delivery Jan 27 23:42:22 its not the rendering Jan 27 23:42:33 evas uses whatever the output engine is built to use Jan 27 23:42:34 true Jan 27 23:42:37 xshmputimage for x Jan 27 23:42:46 ç§ã¯ã‚ãªãŸã®æ—¥æœ¬èªžã‚’ç†è§£ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ o.O lol Jan 27 23:42:56 sdl surfaces for sdl, memcpyu (well more complex than that as it also rotates and converts colorspace) Jan 27 23:43:13 wiith opengl it doesnt copy to fb - every primitive is a set of triangles + textures Jan 27 23:43:19 and is drawn via opengl Jan 27 23:43:50 zsoc: ãªãœï¼Ÿ Jan 27 23:43:54 raster: are u rasterman? Jan 27 23:43:59 LOL Jan 27 23:44:12 piso: you owe me a new keyboard Jan 27 23:44:16 piso: it seems my nick hides the obvious :) Jan 27 23:44:19 ha! Jan 27 23:44:24 guys Jan 27 23:44:29 now i feel really stupid Jan 27 23:44:32 :) Jan 27 23:44:35 hehehehehe Jan 27 23:45:07 i had the feeling when you started talking about the internals of E Jan 27 23:45:18 and then i said "no... can't be..." Jan 27 23:45:28 "i didn't ask that kind of question to rasterman?!?!?!" Jan 27 23:45:29 :) Jan 27 23:45:39 hehehehehe Jan 27 23:45:41 careful what u ask Jan 27 23:45:45 yep Jan 27 23:45:48 raster: ãªãœãªã‚‰....ãˆ...ç§ã®æ—¥æœ¬èªžã®ç†è§£ã¯éžå¸¸ã«æ‚ªã„ ^_^ Jan 27 23:45:56 chances are i'll turn your simple question into a treatise on computer gfx Jan 27 23:45:56 raster: what's your business in webos land? Jan 27 23:45:58 :) Jan 27 23:46:16 piso: hanging out. chewing my cud. Jan 27 23:46:20 k Jan 27 23:46:34 xcomp fixed evas's sdl engine to work with webos's new sdl Jan 27 23:46:40 that emans evas worked Jan 27 23:46:45 and the rest is not far off as its linux Jan 27 23:46:46 ha, i hope i used that word right :< Jan 27 23:46:53 i see Jan 27 23:47:02 as such my business/world revolves around embedded + linux Jan 27 23:47:06 its what i do. Jan 27 23:47:12 so... pre is of interest Jan 27 23:47:28 tho i totally think their luna windowing system thing was a bad move and they should have just used x Jan 27 23:47:28 how the heck do you all read chinese? Jan 27 23:47:37 done a good compositor and used windows like everyong else Jan 27 23:47:42 then u'd have instant compatibility Jan 27 23:47:47 agreed Jan 27 23:47:49 dBsooner: japanese Jan 27 23:47:52 xcomp: curious, was the "fixing the software_sdl engine" more than just the standard sdl webos stuff? (swsurface only, resolution and bit depth, etc) Jan 27 23:47:53 whatever it is Jan 27 23:47:55 dBsooner: I don't think that's chinese :-) Jan 27 23:47:59 raster: don't mind him, he's from texas lol Jan 27 23:48:00 lol Jan 27 23:48:01 it just looks like a dang bunch of symbols to me Jan 27 23:48:05 OKklahoma Jan 27 23:48:08 but close enough Jan 27 23:48:09 dBsooner: same thing ;) Jan 27 23:48:13 zsoc: yeah, it wasn't much work ... more of tweaking Jan 27 23:48:19 zsoc: aaaah! ok ok. i lived in japan for 4 years, so my japanese may be more "street" japanese Jan 27 23:48:19 uh. no. Jan 27 23:48:20 * zsoc wonders if anyone see's what he did there... Jan 27 23:48:24 including some of PuffTheMagic's stuff with the key events Jan 27 23:48:25 u know how they go Jan 27 23:48:33 OK != TX Jan 27 23:48:33 "sugooooooooi! kawaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!" Jan 27 23:48:38 raster: yes, i learned japanese from books and anime :( so basically i'm the biggest loser of all time lol Jan 27 23:48:46 ahahahahhaha Jan 27 23:48:48 raster: that's not _entirely_ true, but unfortunately it's most of it lol Jan 27 23:48:52 my reading/writing sucks Jan 27 23:48:55 as i never used it Jan 27 23:48:57 ah Jan 27 23:49:00 so i'm slow Jan 27 23:49:11 that's ok, everything i say sounds like a little girl Jan 27 23:49:12 but i can have a good banter at a bar over a beer Jan 27 23:49:19 same here Jan 27 23:49:21 i learned from girls Jan 27 23:49:24 better safe than sorry lol Jan 27 23:49:26 i can mimic them pretty well Jan 27 23:49:26 zsoc: I think there is still some debugging to be done ... I've seen some artifacting Jan 27 23:49:27 :) Jan 27 23:49:37 emotion_test consistently artifacts on the pre Jan 27 23:49:42 raster: you made my facebook status! LOL :) Jan 27 23:49:44 need to figure out why Jan 27 23:49:46 It's funny, I can understand japanese children speaking with no problem. any more complicated and my head starts to spin lol Jan 27 23:49:59 xcomp: have there been more sdl evas chances in svn cause i havent been checking the logs Jan 27 23:50:16 PuffTheMagic: what svn? Jan 27 23:50:24 dBsooner: japanese/chinese etc. are symbols. just like ABCDE...Z are also symbols Jan 27 23:50:25 e svn repo Jan 27 23:50:29 juts 26 of them ( in 2 forms) Jan 27 23:50:35 same for japanese Jan 27 23:50:44 PuffTheMagic: I think my last commit was the big change to sdl_keys Jan 27 23:50:51 u have 47 katakana, 47 hiragana then a few thousand kanjii (chinese characters) Jan 27 23:51:41 zsoc: japanese kids si where i'm at too, though seedy bar jappanese i can do as well... like Jan 27 23:52:08 ãã¿ã®ãŠã±ã„ã¯ã™ã”ã„ãƒ¼ãƒ¼ãƒ¼ï¼ Jan 27 23:52:21 ã§ã‹ã±ã„ãŒã™ãã§ã™ï¼ Jan 27 23:52:34 ã™ã‘ã¹ã ï¼ Jan 27 23:52:48 raster: heh ... I was wondering why you were spitting out question marks Jan 27 23:52:53 silly irssi :) Jan 27 23:52:59 hahaha Jan 27 23:53:53 raster: ok, all i caught in that was "im a horny dude" Jan 27 23:54:16 uh oh, pants off? Jan 27 23:54:39 but informal japanese language is so far out of the books, you could have just said anything lol Jan 27 23:54:46 * zsoc remembers not to go to a japanese bar... Jan 27 23:54:49 never a serial cable around when I need one Jan 27 23:56:22 hmm ... i wonder if there is a pants module for e17 Jan 27 23:59:10 zsoc: sukebe isnt really horny Jan 27 23:59:15 its much more than that Jan 27 23:59:16 :) Jan 27 23:59:27 it has no translation into english thats a single word Jan 27 23:59:36 its more.. a concept u need to write half a page to describe Jan 27 23:59:37 :) Jan 28 00:00:29 good things good things :D Jan 28 00:00:31 raster: I asked a girl once "nani shitai", thinking i was just asking what she wanted to do today... BOY did I not understand the intricacies there! Jan 28 00:01:31 i think japanese is the only language where ambiguous means sex, which is ridiculous because the language is so subject-ambiguous to begin with lol Jan 28 00:02:10 Have other people have been having problems uninstalling/installing certain packages, like landscape messaging? Jan 28 00:03:03 zsoc: come on. english is the same Jan 28 00:03:08 "did you do it?" Jan 28 00:03:16 "i have things to see and people to do" Jan 28 00:03:37 u can come up with lots of ambuguous phrases referring to sex or genitals or other bits of the body... Jan 28 00:03:57 raster: ok, ok, you're right. But you HAVE to admit using the same word for "what?" and "sex" is a little ridiculous ;) Jan 28 00:04:11 I guess it's more like how we use 'it', you're right Jan 28 00:04:39 in fact i remember there being a word for "using 'nani' to replace a bad word in your speech", but i don't recall it Jan 28 00:04:50 * zsoc changes room name to #nihongo Jan 28 00:06:08 as in nani-suru? Jan 28 00:09:58 anyone had a problem losing their pdf viewer? Jan 28 00:10:40 i haven't seen that thing in months Jan 28 00:10:45 i am going to make the first decent from scratch palm pre theme Jan 28 00:10:53 all the ones on prethemer use hued icons Jan 28 00:10:59 PuffTheMagic: ping Jan 28 00:11:09 hued? and any specific color theme? Jan 28 00:11:31 hued- a method in photoshop where you take an icon and just change the colour of it Jan 28 00:11:32 iSmite: please by all means do. so far I've only found two themes that are worth installing Jan 28 00:11:44 shall i show you some of my iphone themes Jan 28 00:11:54 i make everything from scratch (photoshop 12 years) Jan 28 00:12:00 dBsooner: ? Jan 28 00:12:15 ill check em out. Jan 28 00:12:20 PuffTheMagic: OK.. so I have this git repo.. Jan 28 00:12:25 im using PreRED. its not too bad Jan 28 00:12:34 PuffTheMagic: it was made from a tarball of files Jan 28 00:12:44 PuffTheMagic: I got a new release of this tarball of files Jan 28 00:13:00 http://BlueMondayPumpa.deviantart.com/art/Satine-iPhone-theme-117080543 Jan 28 00:13:00 PuffTheMagic: so I "rm -rf *" in the git dir Jan 28 00:13:01 iSmite: i should have made that reference too...hued = hue. color. got it a little late haha Jan 28 00:13:02 thats an old one Jan 28 00:13:08 PuffTheMagic: the I extracted the new tarball. Jan 28 00:13:15 PuffTheMagic: then I did "git add ." Jan 28 00:13:23 http://BlueMondayPumpa.deviantart.com/art/X3v2-iPhone-theme-117146066 Jan 28 00:13:34 PuffTheMagic: so that got all my mods and news in there.. but all the files that are now deleted didn't get added to cmmit. Jan 28 00:13:42 http://BlueMondayPumpa.deviantart.com/art/X3V3-Unfinished-143891943 Jan 28 00:13:44 PuffTheMagic: How do I get those in there? without doing them one by frickin one Jan 28 00:14:06 wth ... work is blocking deviantart now? Jan 28 00:14:06 and this is one of the wallpapers i made http://BlueMondayPumpa.deviantart.com/art/XWalls-Shelves-117147562 Jan 28 00:14:20 dBsooner: why rm * Jan 28 00:14:28 last theme is latest one, im working on another one now a more default glossy one Jan 28 00:14:32 iSmite: i agree there are 1000 themes and they are all bad, sans the 5 that are really "ok", most of which are ripoffs of buuf lol Jan 28 00:14:40 PuffTheMagic: because I wanted to have the fiels no longer there to be removed Jan 28 00:14:57 basically v1.5 of this package was the first setup, now there is v1.6 Jan 28 00:15:02 hmmm Jan 28 00:15:07 so I don't want the files from v1.5 if they were deleted in v1.6 Jan 28 00:15:24 make sense/ Jan 28 00:15:26 the shelves wall a lot of people use it Jan 28 00:15:27 quick q: restarting luna via commandline? Jan 28 00:15:27 why does your tar not contain all the files u want Jan 28 00:15:32 i like the first one a lot. Jan 28 00:15:32 why do u only have changed files Jan 28 00:15:41 pkill LunaSysMgr Jan 28 00:15:52 most of that DA stuff is old now though from when i had the 2g iphone Jan 28 00:18:52 dBsooner, git commit -a Jan 28 00:18:53 -a Jan 28 00:18:58 This is the one I am working on @present, only just started it, camera and text icons http://img.skitch.com/20100128-pweca3cgwbfsj63gm2peb2npx8.png Jan 28 00:19:07 egaudet: even after I did a git add .? Jan 28 00:19:08 its much more default Jan 28 00:19:13 dBsooner, yes Jan 28 00:19:18 git commit -a picks up deleted fiels Jan 28 00:19:20 git commit -a -m "blah"? Jan 28 00:19:20 files* Jan 28 00:19:25 git add . picks up existing files Jan 28 00:19:57 sure Jan 28 00:20:37 mmm 30 updates Jan 28 00:23:44 i think i am gonna make a bad ass tuna melt Jan 28 00:27:02 PuffTheMagic: recipe pl0x? Jan 28 00:29:17 tuna + enough mayo to make it sticky + shitload of chopped onion + chopped celery + little salt + little pepper + little thyme + rye bread + provalone + toaster oven Jan 28 00:29:42 open face in the toaster oven? Jan 28 00:29:55 yeah Jan 28 00:29:58 should put a little dijon Jan 28 00:30:13 maybe worcestershire Jan 28 00:30:24 PuffTheMagic: i'll be there in 2 hours with beer. you better have those all over the place Jan 28 00:30:40 :D Jan 28 00:30:49 zsoc: i only accept IPA's Jan 28 00:31:01 stone arrogant bastard Jan 28 00:31:02 PuffTheMagic: well that's all i got :p Jan 28 00:31:10 hmagoo: mmmmm Jan 28 00:31:21 hmagoo: or double bastard Jan 28 00:31:26 'bout to crack one open (one big one) Jan 28 00:31:30 or runination Jan 28 00:31:34 all their beers are good Jan 28 00:31:39 same with Southern Tier Jan 28 00:31:43 and Flying Dog Jan 28 00:31:48 and Dog Figh Head Jan 28 00:31:50 like em because they have a high alcohol Jan 28 00:31:54 Victory Jan 28 00:32:08 hmagoo: yeah that is win too Jan 28 00:32:13 but they also taste amazing Jan 28 00:32:18 si Jan 28 00:32:26 hmagoo: flying dog double dog is 11.5 Jan 28 00:32:30 and its awesome Jan 28 00:32:41 and the 4 packs are cheaper than the Stone 4packs Jan 28 00:32:50 yeah some of the pricier ones are very high sometimes Jan 28 00:33:12 hmagoo: the dollar ber % alcohol is still the same Jan 28 00:33:19 but u get better taste Jan 28 00:33:22 indeed Jan 28 00:33:24 more taste less filling :D Jan 28 00:33:29 i am so photoshoppin dom joly wit the ipad, it'll get viral in 2 secs (you'll Jan 28 00:33:29 know what i mean if you're british) Jan 28 00:33:31 loll Jan 28 00:33:38 ha, gdm just _literally_ logged me out, haha Jan 28 00:33:54 i want to barf when i see those budwiser commercials talk about "drinkability" Jan 28 00:34:08 dog fish head with some thai curry, good stuff Jan 28 00:34:43 2006 Seria Nevada Celebration Ale Jan 28 00:34:51 2009 Seria nevada Anniversary ale Jan 28 00:34:52 :D Jan 28 00:34:59 * jacques is getting very hungty. Jan 28 00:34:59 I can honestly say, budwiser is the best beer you can buy... ... ... ... ... in 40 ounce bottles. Jan 28 00:35:13 * zsoc is very well hungty also Jan 28 00:35:20 Sam Adams Imperial Pilsner <--- any of you get the joy of trying that? Jan 28 00:35:39 zsoc: budwiser is so discusting Jan 28 00:35:47 zsoc: labatts comes in 40s Jan 28 00:35:50 and is WAY better Jan 28 00:35:53 PuffTheMagic: yes it is, have you ever tried to buy a 40 of something _good_? Jan 28 00:35:58 PuffTheMagic: labatts? hmm.. can't get that around here.. Jan 28 00:36:03 yeah Labatt Blue Jan 28 00:36:07 Ole English :> Jan 28 00:36:08 from canada Jan 28 00:36:35 although technically, olde english 800 _isn't_ beer, heh Jan 28 00:37:01 zsoc: Ithica Ten (this awsome imperial red) comes in something like a 750ml win bottle Jan 28 00:37:07 dont remember its exact vol Jan 28 00:37:19 haha Jan 28 00:37:48 * zsoc changes the channel to name to #beer Jan 28 00:37:58 any one try any of the Lagunitas brews Jan 28 00:38:06 they havent disapointed me yet Jan 28 00:38:15 IPA Maximus Jan 28 00:38:37 their Censored Ale Jan 28 00:38:50 Sirrus Jan 28 00:50:07 budweiser > Jan 28 00:54:33 puff, it's a liter bottle Jan 28 00:58:38 #2 trending topic on twitter: iTampon Jan 28 01:01:06 its #1 now Jan 28 01:01:24 this reminds me of the 90s, with apple being a joke Jan 28 01:04:27 2 of 3 tunamelts are in the toaster oven Jan 28 01:04:59 lol its not meant to be good but i had to do it http://img.skitch.com/20100128-eacij88axu3uberpxju4c31yjy.png Jan 28 01:05:27 lol Jan 28 01:06:26 thats effing weird Jan 28 01:06:36 fedex turned a package over to usps for delivery Jan 28 01:07:39 http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/auw6b/the_ipad_sucks_there_i_said_it/ epic bread Jan 28 01:08:00 why are there so many btards here :( Jan 28 01:08:37 it's the internet, it happens Jan 28 01:08:50 and just cause i said epic bread doesnt mean im a btard Jan 28 01:11:19 acydlord: sorry, i keep forgetting, every meme starts in the bowels of the internet :( Jan 28 01:11:32 I remember the first time I heard a newscaster say "epic", i almost fell over in shame. Jan 28 01:11:34 it's the colon of the internet Jan 28 01:11:45 * zsoc toasts in an epic bread Jan 28 01:11:58 to be fair, gamers were using epic before 4chan came about Jan 28 01:12:43 i remember the late ninties, early aughts when all the kids were using leet speak, which we used to use in irc in the early 90s Jan 28 01:13:13 acydlord: ircers used 1337speak as a legit means of communication? I didn't use irc before... hmm... probably 96 Jan 28 01:13:36 zsoc, it was a way to differentiant from the plebs since irc was the only form of chat back then Jan 28 01:14:10 sadly i remember the day pwn was born, and not from "power own" like the kids these days think it was, it was from a friend making a typo in counterstrike Jan 28 01:14:24 zsoc: hmagoo: http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr23/rmh3093/CIMG0055.jpg Jan 28 01:14:38 acydlord: yes, THOSE days I was around for ;) like... 1.1? or was it 0.9? Jan 28 01:14:47 pwned! Jan 28 01:15:03 PuffTheMagic: i could have gone my whole life without seeing you in seemingly tight denim Jan 28 01:15:09 PuffTheMagic: also, needs pepper Jan 28 01:15:11 yeah, it was basically "dude you got pwned... shit i mean owned" Jan 28 01:15:22 it has pepper Jan 28 01:15:41 acydlord: i remember when it was necessary to refer to violent sexual acts when winning by many points in counter-strike Jan 28 01:15:43 PuffTheMagic: oh, good :> Jan 28 01:15:43 i didnt even notice there was a person in that picture Jan 28 01:16:00 zsoc, i think that still appliess Jan 28 01:16:02 acydlord: i'm the guy who observes the odd thing in the picture of the naked lady Jan 28 01:16:09 acydlord: my legs were Jan 28 01:16:18 zsoc, me too, oh look futurama is on Jan 28 01:16:26 lulz Jan 28 01:16:38 webos attracts awesome people Jan 28 01:17:10 the best Jan 28 01:17:26 http://i.imgur.com/Nj3iE.png Jan 28 01:18:13 acydlord: nice :) Jan 28 01:18:13 i swear apple works backwards in computer trending Jan 28 01:18:49 acydlord: remember how people reacted when nintendo announced the name "WII" for the revolution? Jan 28 01:18:53 Now, a Palm Pad would be pretty cool I think. webos is way better suited to it than the iPhoneos. Jan 28 01:19:08 SilverChaos, slide the pre shut, you have a palm pad Jan 28 01:19:09 cause flash and multitasking. Jan 28 01:19:15 lulz Jan 28 01:19:16 just sayin Jan 28 01:19:43 SilverChaos: itouch/phone os is RIDICULOUSLY powerful, it's just 95% unused. super geeks with 1337 jailbroken devices can do some nifty things Jan 28 01:19:47 destinal: ping Jan 28 01:19:48 or get an hp slate, open the webos emulator, fullscreen Jan 28 01:20:17 it would be awesome if now all the top smartphone makers go "Shit, people want bigass versions of our phones. GIANT PRE, GIANT DROID, GOOOOO" Jan 28 01:20:27 lol Jan 28 01:20:35 i want a giant sidekick Jan 28 01:20:45 acydlord: you could hurt someone with that Jan 28 01:20:49 oh wait, a giant nokia 2100 Jan 28 01:21:06 acydlord: or a giant nokia 200? (redundant?) :> Jan 28 01:21:07 even better would be a giant motorolla startac 1 Jan 28 01:21:23 startac was the best phone of all time, don't even Jan 28 01:21:42 I was really hoping flash would release today, it'd have been hilarious. Jan 28 01:21:45 i'm just gonna cart around a microsoft surface Jan 28 01:22:01 "hmm, i need to check my email... Jan 28 01:22:08 manually programming a startac was literally the coolest thing i did before i was 18 Jan 28 01:22:08 * acydlord whips out surface Jan 28 01:22:19 zsoc, you didnt live man Jan 28 01:22:29 acydlord: You can keep it in your mom's pocket, her pants are definitely big enough. Jan 28 01:22:33 acydlord: no, you've just never manually programmed a startac :> Jan 28 01:22:43 zsoc, oh i did Jan 28 01:22:44 wow... a yo mom joke.. Jan 28 01:22:57 what was the code.. hmm.... Jan 28 01:23:10 i think absconding with the user db for prodigy net was the coolest thing i ever did before 18 =/ Jan 28 01:23:13 motorola was always the best with the "menu+#" gives you your own phone number.. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE Jan 28 01:23:18 I'm sorry. Jan 28 01:23:35 http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1264637180235.jpg Jan 28 01:23:40 * zsoc wardials Jan 28 01:23:55 PuffTheMagic: i am literally laughing Jan 28 01:23:56 still Jan 28 01:24:02 it has become difficult to type Jan 28 01:24:05 everyone in the room is confused at me Jan 28 01:24:10 i have repeated the joke Jan 28 01:24:15 one other individual is now laughing also Jan 28 01:24:17 i am 12 and what is this? Jan 28 01:24:46 zsoc: u laughing cause its /b Jan 28 01:24:47 ? Jan 28 01:25:13 seriously though, is the iPad an apple version of the rickroll? Jan 28 01:25:15 PuffTheMagic: I was there for the beginning of I Am Disappoint :( Jan 28 01:25:27 then who was phone? Jan 28 01:25:42 * zsoc also says memes Jan 28 01:26:05 i've been around for the birth of too many memes Jan 28 01:26:35 :D Jan 28 01:27:17 sadly i'm in the get off my lawn stage with the internet Jan 28 01:28:00 acydlord: nah i think that's appropriate Jan 28 01:28:22 the channel seems to be in the "when the cat's away the mice will play" stage :P Jan 28 01:28:25 damn kids and their acronyms for everything Jan 28 01:28:30 * acydlord shakes his fist Jan 28 01:28:42 destinal-wirc: that thing you mentioned earlier... dual boot... is that coming? openmoko making progress? Jan 28 01:29:45 heh right now I just want multiple webos vers Jan 28 01:30:00 destinal: oh lawdy that would be hot :) Jan 28 01:30:06 oh man, open moko *tear* Jan 28 01:30:16 i had such great hopes for openmoko Jan 28 01:30:21 destinal: is a standard lilo-like bootloader not an option here? i should shut up and not ask ignorant questions Jan 28 01:30:38 Also, I had fun playing with a Hero today, although in the end i was glad i do not own one.. Jan 28 01:31:35 s/lilo/grub/ Jan 28 01:31:43 don't know where that came from, i'm stuck in 1999 Jan 28 01:31:53 * zsoc found mandrake 7 cd's in his closet yesterday Jan 28 01:31:54 zsoc: that was to dual boot webos eversions i thought Jan 28 01:32:24 yes i see Jan 28 01:32:32 dual-boot webos-versions would be so damn kick-ass Jan 28 01:32:45 lol @ lilo, gonna dual boot redhat 2.1? Jan 28 01:32:51 ha, there is a channel "#", go figure Jan 28 01:33:14 acydlord: i've booted gentoo :D Jan 28 01:33:26 eww Jan 28 01:33:34 redhat ewww Jan 28 01:33:42 gentoo just reminds me of elitest nerds who dont actually know linux Jan 28 01:34:04 acydlord: and/or elitest geeks who _do_ acttualy "know linux" Jan 28 01:34:12 acydlord: yeah so ignore gentoo users, and just use gentoo ;) Jan 28 01:34:25 s/acttualy "know linux"/actually know how to spell/ Jan 28 01:34:26 zsoc meant: acydlord: and/or elitest geeks who _do_ actually know how to spell Jan 28 01:34:26 yeah, but the sway is like 3/300000000000 zsoc Jan 28 01:34:50 am I still on Jan 28 01:34:57 no Jan 28 01:35:00 you are off Jan 28 01:35:07 i used gentoo for awhile, and then remembered that i like debian better Jan 28 01:35:07 * zsoc is wayyy off Jan 28 01:35:09 wow Jan 28 01:35:21 destinal-wirc: hell yeah :D Jan 28 01:35:26 wirc survives call Jan 28 01:35:34 destinal-wirc: short calls :> Jan 28 01:35:50 once I was 360 seconds lagged due to a call Jan 28 01:35:51 destinal-wirc, wirc has just one-upped the iPhone, congrats Jan 28 01:36:10 jacques: freenode dont ping you Jan 28 01:36:13 err Jan 28 01:36:14 they do Jan 28 01:36:22 but they dont auto kick if no response Jan 28 01:36:33 freenode timeout is almost 10 min Jan 28 01:36:43 yeah wirc survived Jan 28 01:36:45 acydlord: iphone has 3g tho Jan 28 01:36:49 cdma is dumb Jan 28 01:36:55 evdo etc Jan 28 01:37:09 voice quality is superior Jan 28 01:37:12 destinal-wirc: evdo is amazing here Jan 28 01:37:22 yeah cmda is really nice actually Jan 28 01:37:24 but I can't talk and stay online Jan 28 01:37:26 and pcs voice quality is 1000 times better Jan 28 01:37:42 Don't worry, it'll all be LTE in <5 years Jan 28 01:38:17 att is actually running ads about cdma voice and data not having that Jan 28 01:38:34 a verizon guy having to juggle two phones Jan 28 01:38:39 destinal-wirc: Actually, they are running ads about _verizon_ not having that, and everyone thinks they are silly ads Jan 28 01:38:43 because <1% of the users need that Jan 28 01:38:46 att is also saying they are the better 3g network out of att/verizon in their commercials Jan 28 01:38:50 destinal-wirc: yeah cause they have to make up for carrying a phone that destroys their network Jan 28 01:39:00 destinal-wirc: besides, technically cdma+wifi is possible Jan 28 01:39:13 the best part about the iphone ads is they say that you can make a call and surf the web at the same time Jan 28 01:39:19 acydlord: you wouldnt know it since the iphone brings their network to a halt Jan 28 01:39:25 they seem to forget that the iphone doesnt multitask Jan 28 01:39:43 hehe Jan 28 01:40:02 droid does (not multitask) Jan 28 01:40:38 the new droid UIs are confusings and not easy to use Jan 28 01:40:49 i know some real idiots that have picked up my phone and use it like i do Jan 28 01:41:05 having never used it before Jan 28 01:41:17 cards are sweet Jan 28 01:41:54 acydlord: But you can. it has very limited multitasking. phone and web, web and music, only specific combinations of apple made apps Jan 28 01:41:58 luna seems to be the only UI designed for actual humans Jan 28 01:42:03 puff: that could just mean you use it horribly badly :P Jan 28 01:42:11 mostly agree, but having to manage them is unsweet. "you have too many cards open" is annoying. Jan 28 01:42:33 i rarely run into the too many cards issue, even on the pixi Jan 28 01:42:39 neither do i Jan 28 01:42:45 dug1: especially when you have one card open. Jan 28 01:42:46 i dont really keep much open Jan 28 01:42:55 i have this thing called a computer for when i need a ton of windows open Jan 28 01:43:03 i dont really multitask that much Jan 28 01:43:06 well, i must just be doing it wrong then Jan 28 01:43:10 excapt when pandora is going Jan 28 01:43:20 I get it sometimes, have to reset. I suspect a memory leak but I dunno where it could be. Jan 28 01:44:03 NFL app gets bad memory leaks, and sprint Nav has sent java on a rampage several times for me Jan 28 01:44:19 I sometimes wonder if ATT just doesn't have ECN enabled on its routers Jan 28 01:44:35 Neither of which I use. Jan 28 01:46:47 maybe you have memory goblins Jan 28 01:46:58 we need to figure out how to set bootie env from in linux Jan 28 01:47:09 webos is funny, people seem to own it in groups Jan 28 01:47:29 first everyone who worked for me got a pre, then their family members and friends started getting them, it was quite bizarre. Jan 28 01:47:59 zsoc: due to bad advertising few seeds but due to high coolness,lots of spreading Jan 28 01:48:04 We told them not to get the Pre wet... Jan 28 01:48:05 like an infection Jan 28 01:48:25 as long as they don't feed it after midnight we're ok. Jan 28 01:48:34 lol Jan 28 01:49:36 i fed mine after midnight =/ Jan 28 01:49:38 I personally know of 5 or so gotten because I got mine because of linux and no locks Jan 28 01:49:44 and this channel Jan 28 01:49:53 destinal-wirc: it's funny, i find webos mostly unusable without uberpatching/extra apps, but that's just me as a tech head. 3x3 is enough to turn me off Jan 28 01:49:56 acydlord: OH SHI- Jan 28 01:50:19 haha, after everyone sees my pre they like it Jan 28 01:50:20 I'm not dividing by zero again, I think we all remember what happened last time Jan 28 01:50:34 after i ran EPR the last time i almost threw up on it though Jan 28 01:51:01 zsoc: if we can surpass a critical mass in here we can get a nice native distro stock one of these days Jan 28 01:51:02 i dont know how i survived the 6 hours at work before i got to go home and patch my pre for the first time Jan 28 01:51:03 I have the brightness setting in the top bar assistant there just so i can quickly toss it to 100% to show it to people Jan 28 01:51:07 that is oss Jan 28 01:51:10 hmm my ssh failed. it logs in but wont let me erase or put in a file, only take them out Jan 28 01:51:18 That reminds me, I need to finish updating my patches. update all won't work cause this one jerk patch won't update or remove. Jan 28 01:51:31 just flash and off and running Jan 28 01:51:56 SilverChaos: 1.) remove that patch manually, 2.) problem solved Jan 28 01:52:05 I've been meaning to Jan 28 01:52:06 SilverChaos: if you like, i would walk you through it Jan 28 01:52:06 SilverChaos, use a ball peen hammer Jan 28 01:52:14 even running webos apps would be possible with an oss stack with enough work Jan 28 01:52:15 but I'm not always at the computer Jan 28 01:52:22 and when I am I'm usually busy Jan 28 01:52:34 which is why a smartphone is so handy for me. Jan 28 01:52:59 destinal-wirc, i had maemo apps running native in lxde before Jan 28 01:53:06 SilverChaos: install terminal app :> Jan 28 01:53:20 SilverChaos: and/or terminus Jan 28 01:53:25 Oh could terminal remove it? I didn't think of that Jan 28 01:53:36 SilverChaos: of course, which patch? Jan 28 01:53:38 what's the command? (already have terminal) Jan 28 01:53:47 Data in top menu Jan 28 01:53:59 SilverChaos: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep data Jan 28 01:54:05 SilverChaos: that should find you the _exact_ patch name Jan 28 01:54:07 I sometimes wonder how many people have terminal installed Jan 28 01:54:20 SilverChaos: then ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove Jan 28 01:54:30 There is a distinct lack of copypaste in wirc. Jan 28 01:54:31 SilverChaos: then make sure you reinstall it again, because manually removing doesn't _actually_ remove it Jan 28 01:54:35 SilverChaos: yes Jan 28 01:54:57 destinal-wirc: everyone i know has it installed, down to the most unintelligent, because they know i can use it to fix their phone instantly ;) Jan 28 01:55:11 hehe Jan 28 01:56:05 SilverChaos: the patch name should be something like org.webosinternals.patch.- Jan 28 01:56:07 it would be cool to have some way of tracking it but not worth the privacy concerns Jan 28 01:56:09 lol, there is a linux pun thread on reddit Jan 28 01:56:39 acydlord: i prefer reddit's linux porn thread Jan 28 01:56:39 destinal, you should be able to track the number of downloads from the repo Jan 28 01:56:50 dinrar time, bbl Jan 28 01:56:54 that's no indication really Jan 28 01:57:03 it kind of is Jan 28 01:57:21 you could do a poll to see how many people have installed it and how many have uninstalled Jan 28 01:57:24 maybe on update day Jan 28 01:57:26 get a dataset Jan 28 01:57:37 anywho be back in awhile Jan 28 02:02:24 I guess I could have every copy send in a hash of it's nduid on first use or update, would that be an issue / concern? Jan 28 02:02:56 hmmm Jan 28 02:03:01 actually Jan 28 02:03:10 have any of you heard of KLive? Jan 28 02:03:47 its a website/java app that sends this server info about the kernel that you are running Jan 28 02:03:51 and some other system info Jan 28 02:03:56 int alcohol, i want an alcohol sour. someone give value to my variable? :p Jan 28 02:04:05 it would be cool to have something like that for ipkg installed Jan 28 02:04:32 i could write a service than runs in the bg Jan 28 02:04:39 and uses inotify to monitor the ipkg database Jan 28 02:04:49 and send the server changes Jan 28 02:04:53 so for people running it Jan 28 02:05:01 we could get "live" view of what people use Jan 28 02:05:16 s/use/have installed/ Jan 28 02:05:16 PuffTheMagic meant: we could get "live" view of what people have installed Jan 28 02:05:25 PuffTheMagic: useful, if all opensource an anonymous, with no identifiable information logged Jan 28 02:05:50 zsoc: yes of course annon Jan 28 02:05:55 and opensource Jan 28 02:06:23 then i'm for it Jan 28 02:06:37 * zsoc puts it on the list of ridiculous projects that will never happen without a drunk weekend Jan 28 02:07:00 or other substance Jan 28 02:07:10 abuse will be required Jan 28 02:07:14 of something Jan 28 02:07:19 or someone Jan 28 02:07:20 we need a wiki for those Jan 28 02:07:27 destinal-wirc: ? Jan 28 02:07:32 wiki for the output? Jan 28 02:07:45 of my ipkgLive service? Jan 28 02:08:23 heh for a list of drunk needed proj Jan 28 02:08:32 ahh Jan 28 02:08:51 the service for this would be easy Jan 28 02:08:57 the website a littler harder Jan 28 02:11:56 well we don't need svc Jan 28 02:12:14 if there's a web service Jan 28 02:12:49 Tilly: ... and the wall? Jan 28 02:12:52 huh? Jan 28 02:13:21 why local svc? Jan 28 02:13:53 just preware and websvc Jan 28 02:13:55 runs in the background, light wight C service, use of inotify to detect changes Jan 28 02:14:16 destinal-wirc: well sure it could get merged into preware Jan 28 02:14:22 but i think people would feel better Jan 28 02:14:29 if it were a pacakge they could choose to install Jan 28 02:14:43 i think it deserves its own project Jan 28 02:14:52 cause id imagine is will log more than ipkg Jan 28 02:14:56 webos version maybe Jan 28 02:14:56 idk Jan 28 02:15:04 hmmm Jan 28 02:15:06 im sure we could think of some useful stuff Jan 28 02:15:16 could track carriers Jan 28 02:15:26 and hw specs (pre vs pre=) Jan 28 02:15:33 pre+ i mean Jan 28 02:15:34 pixi Jan 28 02:15:57 not very useful to detirmine installed app base if opt in Jan 28 02:16:26 destinal-wirc: klive people get lots of volunteers Jan 28 02:16:39 i generally dont like to find out im being auto spied on Jan 28 02:16:44 selection bias tho Jan 28 02:17:07 destinal-wirc: plus the a seperate app would be able to monitor installs from other installers Jan 28 02:17:18 i just dont see it part of preware Jan 28 02:17:25 maybe preware could depend on it thought ;) Jan 28 02:17:30 already can Jan 28 02:17:44 ipkgservice Jan 28 02:18:20 well knowing rwhitby and "the ecology" i dont want to bring extra stuff into preware/ipkgservice Jan 28 02:18:36 don't need inotify just snapshot Jan 28 02:18:40 does epr remove all patches? or can you select individual dependencies? Jan 28 02:18:50 destinal-wirc: snapshot is polling why do that Jan 28 02:20:11 because simple and service there Jan 28 02:20:36 i have a misbehaving patch "more standby times" that won't install (or now remove) where is the ipkg stuff located? Is there a command line ipkg command to remove the cruft? Jan 28 02:21:38 same here jtee. only mine is an issue with landscape messaging Jan 28 02:22:28 destinal-wirc: so if not using inotify how often to do take snapshots? Jan 28 02:23:23 egaudet: i TOLD you this was happening :P Jan 28 02:23:40 who what where why when Jan 28 02:23:45 jtee: PrfndHatrd: you can remove a patch manually with command line access Jan 28 02:23:59 eh, dunno. think this doesn't solve Jan 28 02:24:06 egaudet: these two gentlemen have an issue with a patch that will not remove :p Jan 28 02:24:15 fight it Jan 28 02:24:17 egaudet: a manual remove preware option would fix these issues Jan 28 02:24:24 egaudet: or "EPR for 1 patch" Jan 28 02:24:42 EPR for 1 patch is the ugliest most difficult thing to accomplish Jan 28 02:24:42 egaudet: instead of me/you having to explain how to grep the package name and remove it manually :p Jan 28 02:25:03 egaudet: fine, but you said it yourself, everything works well enough. Just a button to -o remove it, and force reinstall Jan 28 02:25:30 oh yea I forgot the little hackaround ! Jan 28 02:25:34 rm the prerm file! Jan 28 02:25:53 egaudet: that's no different than forcing uninstall and reinstall Jan 28 02:25:56 so what Jan 28 02:26:02 lol Jan 28 02:26:15 landscape messaging seems to have an order dependency Jan 28 02:26:23 remove other messaging patches and then try to install it Jan 28 02:26:35 egaudet, i found the dir it's in Jan 28 02:26:36 ugh patches Jan 28 02:26:48 egaudet: fine, then if a patch fails to remove, give a third button option to "strip patch and remove" to remove the prerm, this isn't complicated Jan 28 02:26:48 patches are the evil Jan 28 02:27:13 zsoc, not my decision Jan 28 02:27:29 more standby times thinks theres already an unreversed patch Jan 28 02:27:29 egaudet: this is your baby, whose decision is it? Jan 28 02:27:30 I would now like an advanced (screw the prerm) force ipkg removal option Jan 28 02:27:32 for power use Jan 28 02:27:40 but the AUPT scripts can't do that Jan 28 02:27:48 that would be just wrong, bad, wrong and bad Jan 28 02:27:55 we need force remove from ipkg lib Jan 28 02:28:19 does filecoaster have removal options? Jan 28 02:28:29 egaudet: for _any_ user. and a force script is as easy as an ipkg command, and forced reinstall/remove Jan 28 02:28:43 i think Quick Install removes package data even if prerm fails Jan 28 02:28:54 egaudet: and you can get around the "average user clicking the wrong button" by only presenting the option during a ipkg error screen Jan 28 02:29:20 zsoc, I'm not sure what you are asking for anymore Jan 28 02:29:23 the ONLY risk of forced removal (patches only) is that it isn't reinstalled and removed again, and that problem is fixed by _forcing reinstalling it and removing it again_ Jan 28 02:29:54 that's not the only risk at all Jan 28 02:30:07 egaudet: then please explain me. Jan 28 02:30:18 for instance the landscape messaging patch IS installed and can't remove because of some weird order dependencies Jan 28 02:30:26 so.... egaudet ... do I need to run patch manually in terminal or just remove a file? Jan 28 02:30:32 no one ever expects the spanish inquisition! Jan 28 02:30:33 so if you force remove the ipkg data then install it again it will fail Jan 28 02:30:42 jtee, depends Jan 28 02:30:47 egaudet: that is only the case of dependency issues Jan 28 02:30:51 this is not a universal "oh patch doesn't remove force the ipkg data out" Jan 28 02:31:03 zsoc, yeah and it's pretty hard/impossible to determine that Jan 28 02:31:12 programatically Jan 28 02:31:12 egaudet: well, it worked on the 6 devices i did it on today:P Jan 28 02:31:16 zsoc: no explanation for you, you're unexplainable. Jan 28 02:31:22 egaudet: although as you say, none of them had dependency issues Jan 28 02:31:25 :P Jan 28 02:31:26 WHEs are exempt from laws lol Jan 28 02:31:32 egaudet, it never installed... just got partway through and had a hunk failed Jan 28 02:31:43 egaudet: we need a C ipkgservice :P would fix this Jan 28 02:31:55 jtee, then it conflicts with something already installed Jan 28 02:32:03 and is NOT partially installed Jan 28 02:32:23 nothing fixes the hideous world of patching Jan 28 02:33:06 egaudet: EVERY PATCH SHOULD BE PACKAGED WITH AN ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE FILE IT'S PATCHING.. no.. no that's definitely illegal Jan 28 02:33:15 well... it shows up in preware... which thinks it is... how do I fix that? Jan 28 02:33:16 lol Jan 28 02:33:26 jtee, that's not making sense to me Jan 28 02:33:34 if it failed to install (hunk fail) then it can't show up in preware Jan 28 02:33:35 EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A WEBOS DOCTOR IMAGE ON THEIR PRE TO EXTRACT ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF FILES OUT OF AUTOMAGICALLY :D Jan 28 02:33:37 preware wants to update it Jan 28 02:33:42 c'mon, we can spare the 200mb, that's a good idea Jan 28 02:33:50 download it in the background on preware first run Jan 28 02:34:04 wtf? Jan 28 02:34:06 zsoc, that's uhh my on-device emergency repair app idea Jan 28 02:34:18 egaudet: see, you are a genius :D Jan 28 02:34:36 jtee: do you have command line access? and what is the patch name? Jan 28 02:34:37 app/service downloads doctor, extracts, etc... on "first use" Jan 28 02:34:53 egaudet: we _NEED_ a C ipkgservice for that Jan 28 02:34:55 then an awesome gui listing non-stock files, repair options etc... Jan 28 02:34:59 PuffTheMagic: isn't it done?:p Jan 28 02:35:03 well... hmm.... it all started a few days ago Jan 28 02:35:06 zsoc, that has 100% nothing to do with ipkgservice Jan 28 02:35:13 just get packages from palm Jan 28 02:35:18 maybe i should just make a small zigbee thumbdrive with webosdoctor loaded to it Jan 28 02:35:25 just plug it in and doctor away Jan 28 02:35:25 egaudet: sure it does. i just trust C 100 times more for file i/o and subscription Jan 28 02:35:40 zsoc, what does ipkgservice have to do with that? Jan 28 02:35:43 it will be it's own C service Jan 28 02:35:48 jtee: dont' really need a story... what's the patch name and do you have command line access?:> Jan 28 02:35:50 anybody know if the verizon pre needs to type something different to unlock developer mode?? Jan 28 02:35:51 it doesn't need any ipkg stuff Jan 28 02:35:57 egaudet: OH i see, you're not going to work this into preware? Jan 28 02:36:02 no Jan 28 02:36:06 it's a repair app Jan 28 02:36:06 egaudet: do it separate then :) you need some "eric" out there Jan 28 02:36:11 we still use subscription in c Jan 28 02:36:12 lol Jan 28 02:36:12 "Eric's webos repair app" ;) Jan 28 02:36:15 zsoc i have cli (terminal) Jan 28 02:36:16 destinal is eric too Jan 28 02:36:26 jtee: what patch is it? Jan 28 02:36:45 (i think) Jan 28 02:36:50 and i know it's name 'screen-lock-more-standby-times-patch' Jan 28 02:36:54 destinal is destinal :p Jan 28 02:37:09 ~destinal Jan 28 02:37:10 hmm... destinal is a hoopy frood who always knows where his towel is. also maintainer of terminal and suspected of sed abuse in several jurisdictions. Jan 28 02:37:13 jtee: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep standby Jan 28 02:37:34 lol Jan 28 02:37:44 erics rule Jan 28 02:38:00 true Jan 28 02:38:14 egaudet: look up eric on urbandictionary Jan 28 02:38:46 we have evil conspiracy Jan 28 02:38:52 where the hell is | on the pre keyboard? Jan 28 02:39:02 so, this dude just asked... and i'm kinda curious myself... http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2183433#post2183433 Jan 28 02:39:13 don't tell anyone Jan 28 02:39:16 jtee: orange+. Jan 28 02:39:24 lol urbandictionary Jan 28 02:39:26 1. and then 2. Jan 28 02:39:44 grndslm: shh... secret Jan 28 02:40:06 for real? Jan 28 02:40:24 grndslm: verizon has all of us under nda, and the second you find the answer, someone rings your doorbell Jan 28 02:40:40 can't cd to wepkg? Jan 28 02:40:58 hmm... for really, realz? Jan 28 02:41:06 jtee: ... wha? Jan 28 02:41:35 grndslm: i don't know the answer, but i _do_ know verizon will not sell a device they can not control Jan 28 02:41:36 so we're just gonna have to wait 3 months for someone to release the verizon dev mode code? Jan 28 02:41:41 "-sh: cd: can't cd to wepkg" Jan 28 02:41:46 doesn't make sense Jan 28 02:41:48 and aliens Jan 28 02:41:51 grndslm: er.. we can probably use novacom and grep for it Jan 28 02:41:51 let me try again Jan 28 02:42:04 jtee: clearly you mistyped something Jan 28 02:42:09 right Jan 28 02:42:15 cool beans Jan 28 02:42:33 aliens have really strict nda Jan 28 02:42:59 eric-too: yep, can't even admit the nda exists Jan 28 02:43:09 shh Jan 28 02:43:19 yepsters Jan 28 02:43:28 it greps Jan 28 02:43:43 ~nda Jan 28 02:43:44 I'm not allowed to tell you Jan 28 02:43:46 can i just edit it out of that file? Jan 28 02:44:05 jtee: oh god no lol Jan 28 02:44:15 jtee: egaudet might disagree, but removing it is something like: Jan 28 02:44:27 what are you guys doing Jan 28 02:44:34 hah... thanks infobot! Jan 28 02:44:38 VERIFY first Jan 28 02:44:40 thanks infobot Jan 28 02:44:42 removing an ill behaved patch Jan 28 02:44:46 run EPR Jan 28 02:44:47 egaudet: verify.. _what_ Jan 28 02:44:48 just do it Jan 28 02:44:56 egaudet: PEOPLE DONT WANT TO DO IT Jan 28 02:44:56 verify that you aren't going to leave some odd OS files modified Jan 28 02:44:58 ~thanks infobot Jan 28 02:44:58 grndslm: pas de quoi Jan 28 02:45:07 c'est la vie Jan 28 02:45:08 egaudet: ... reinstalling the patch fixes that Jan 28 02:45:24 zsoc: see landscape messaging patch order dependency... no it doesn't necessarily Jan 28 02:45:26 if you CAN Jan 28 02:45:26 penalties for breaking alien nda really awful Jan 28 02:45:28 but then again Jan 28 02:45:31 you might not be able to Jan 28 02:45:32 egaudet: only in that case :P Jan 28 02:45:37 I'm on the run from them for it Jan 28 02:45:49 step 1) remove all patches in the same category, step 2) continue on zsoc Jan 28 02:45:54 egaudet: i've never run into that situation Jan 28 02:46:01 jtee: what catagory is it in? Jan 28 02:46:14 jtee: org.webosinternals.patch- Jan 28 02:47:07 all by itself Jan 28 02:47:41 jtee: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove fullpatchname Jan 28 02:47:52 org.webosinternals.patches.screen-lock-more-standby-times Jan 28 02:48:23 jtee: i'm not sure what else could affect those same files. removing it is not 100% fool proof from breakage Jan 28 02:48:28 but i'm comfortable suggesting it. Jan 28 02:48:36 unlike rod, who will tell you 100% to epr :P Jan 28 02:54:28 seems to be removed Jan 28 02:54:41 jtee: now try to reinstall it. if it fails, you're borked ;) Jan 28 02:54:59 I don't want it Jan 28 02:55:05 jtee: no no no Jan 28 02:55:09 jtee: you never removed it Jan 28 02:55:13 it didn't install well the first time anyway Jan 28 02:55:16 jtee: it's just not _installed_ Jan 28 02:55:16 don't you guys just love maintaining everyones patches? Jan 28 02:55:23 hehe Jan 28 02:55:34 destinal: honestly, I try to give people credit that their patches are well done :P Jan 28 02:55:51 jtee: you can't really be sure it was never installed, but i suppose if nothing is broken, it's ok Jan 28 02:56:02 i mean, that patch doesn't do much Jan 28 02:56:07 it's just awful situation Jan 28 02:56:16 destinal: it's not so bad really Jan 28 02:56:24 well... it never did what it was supposed to do... add in more times Jan 28 02:56:28 destinal: and with egaudet's genius, it works 99% of the time Jan 28 02:56:35 * oil wouldn't want the job of maintaining/supporting patches Jan 28 02:56:37 jtee: then you're probably fine Jan 28 02:56:45 it getts incrementally worse Jan 28 02:56:49 patches really could be a nightmare, it's not so bad Jan 28 02:57:29 at least it's not a kernel patch Jan 28 02:58:12 kernel modules are easily managed Jan 28 02:58:13 patches are a little less nightmarish in our world only because we can say "not 100% compatible with what's currently in the files then tough you get nothing" Jan 28 02:59:10 would be interesting to figure out what went wrong in this case though Jan 28 02:59:21 I can try reinstalling it and see what happens Jan 28 02:59:43 jtee: the thing is, we don't /really/ care because whatever the issue is, 99% chance it has nothing to do with preware. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 28 02:59:56 2010