**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010 Feb 07 03:00:03 But it still should have been ok'd, in fact, each upload should be ok'd individually unless the user specifically checks a checkbox to upload automatically from now on. Feb 07 03:01:30 All that said, I'll leave it enabled. The system needs to get a lot better so all the help the better. Feb 07 03:02:56 it's not just crash dumps Feb 07 03:03:13 dumps and context Feb 07 03:03:16 it's a log of all the apps which have run and when Feb 07 03:04:03 jacques: it's dumps and context, but only when there's a crash Feb 07 03:04:14 500 people in #jquery and no one active >.> Feb 07 03:04:50 i have a friend that has a pre+....I was going to help him out and i was wondering is it the same konami code for dev mode Feb 07 03:05:41 I think the konami is no longer necessary. the simplified it at some point "webos20090606" Feb 07 03:05:52 sslow: should be the same Feb 07 03:06:05 thanks Feb 07 03:06:34 *yawn Feb 07 03:06:42 +in 9 Feb 07 03:06:54 *burp ... sorry Feb 07 03:06:57 Enable dev mode on your Pre: Feb 07 03:06:57 In Card view or in the Launcher application, type the following: webos20090606 Feb 07 03:06:58 Tap the resulting Developer Mode Enabler icon. Feb 07 03:07:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Feb 07 03:07:38 as far as I know, the konami code also still works Feb 07 03:08:04 i got that ive been hacking mine since launch.... i was wondering if the code was the same for the Pre Plus Feb 07 03:08:55 JackieRipper: thanks Feb 07 03:09:01 sslow: I would assume so Feb 07 03:09:34 i thought I read somewhere that the + was different Feb 07 03:09:40 if not, the new code is most likely found somewhere on Palm's site. It's a documented feature, after all. Feb 07 03:09:47 i could be wrong though Feb 07 03:14:39 the konami code is universal in the cosmos Feb 07 03:19:50 heh Feb 07 03:25:51 off to watch Amadeus (on Laserdisc!) Feb 07 03:48:52 the preware installer.jar it says" web OS doctor error. it says the system cannot find the file specified" this is after it says i downloaded it Feb 07 03:50:04 what is wrong or what do i do? Feb 07 03:50:57 travisart25 is the webosdoctor jar in the same folder as the preware installer jar? Feb 07 03:51:14 I just got my Pre yesterday, and all problems I've had like that are solved by rebooting my computer, the Pre or both. Feb 07 03:51:18 i dont know.lol let me check Feb 07 03:51:20 travisart25: you need to rename the file you downloaded to whatever the doctor wants Feb 07 03:55:20 im puttin em in the same folder right now Feb 07 03:56:54 im having to download webos again Feb 07 04:00:42 travisart25: when you said "preware installer.jar" above, did you mean WebOS Quick Install ? Feb 07 04:00:56 jacques: no, stand-alone installer from get.preware.org Feb 07 04:02:33 wow, I didn't know that existed Feb 07 04:03:30 okay i have the both in the same folder....now what/ Feb 07 04:03:33 ? Feb 07 04:05:36 Anybody know how to get DNS back after restarting networking? Feb 07 04:07:20 now what do i do after they both are in the same folder?? Feb 07 04:10:15 jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary Feb 07 04:11:28 yay, an open source way of installing preware (not counting bootstrap( Feb 07 04:19:49 what does this mean: sets user mode +v: zinge may now speak if the room is moderate Feb 07 04:24:48 hey where are the memos stored on the pre Feb 07 04:24:56 i need to get the time when one was created for a police report Feb 07 04:26:35 they're stored in a sqlite database Feb 07 04:26:44 do they have a time stamp? Feb 07 04:26:59 some drunk idiot hit my car last night Feb 07 04:27:16 i had written his # down thinking he was trouble but didn't notice the scrape last night Feb 07 04:28:12 no clue, wiki doesn't say either Feb 07 04:28:21 what's the db? Feb 07 04:29:07 I don't think it's in PalmDatabase.db3 but you could check Feb 07 04:32:01 anyone ever messed with voice recognition on a mobile? Feb 07 04:32:24 hmmmm seems that memos are in that db according to ppl on the forum Feb 07 05:03:59 evening all Feb 07 05:23:17 Memos are in a table in PalmDatabase.db3, but I don't think it stores a timestamp Feb 07 06:22:32 how the heck do those mobile pages make themselves display fully in the browser as opposed to in a much larger window? Feb 07 06:28:57 anyone have know anything about voice recognition and linux based mobiles? Feb 07 07:06:40 Just updated preware to 0.9.19 an then it does not start anymore... Even after reboot. Feb 07 07:12:58 interesting nick you have Feb 07 07:13:56 Sorry, I'm a guest Feb 07 07:14:47 I think i've found an answer, thank you Feb 07 07:19:57 anyone else running MHS notice a huge temperature jump? Feb 07 07:20:45 my pre is now up to 44C and was up to 55C earlier today. prety insane Feb 07 07:33:01 someone named themselves rwhitby_ ? Feb 07 07:33:39 did they think they'd get more attention that way? Feb 07 07:34:20 jacques: ping Feb 07 07:39:35 destinal: pong Feb 07 08:00:31 destinal: I figure they thought the nickname on the freenode web interface was who you wanted to talk to Feb 07 08:25:20 well I have good news and bad news Feb 07 08:25:38 and worse news Feb 07 08:26:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/0/04/Xsdl_debug00.png Feb 07 08:27:38 that looks fullscreen Feb 07 08:28:13 that's the good news Feb 07 08:28:50 I got that image by dumping the contents of the SDL surface to a PG Feb 07 08:29:01 s/PG/PNG/ Feb 07 08:29:01 jacques meant: I got that image by dumping the contents of the SDL surface to a PNG Feb 07 08:29:21 at the time, the screen was black :-| Feb 07 08:29:47 this looks like a bug in palm's SDL implementation to me Feb 07 08:30:38 the surface has the right bits in it, it just inexplicably goes black when fullscreened Feb 07 08:31:04 you can watch i happen - as the minimized card zooms in to fullscreen, at the last instant it turns black Feb 07 08:31:40 but the active SDL surface is still pointing to the same place in memory. AFAICT nothing has changed from the app's perspective Feb 07 08:33:07 in related news, I am getting more of a handle on the input issues. for some reason scancode in the SDL keyboard event is always 0, but the keysym value is correct, so we can just use that Feb 07 08:33:43 and the mouse events look right - they give the proper position on the screen. it's just a matter of getting the info to X Feb 07 08:34:49 jacques: hmm, do we have a place to file bugs for this sort of thing? Feb 07 08:34:54 I dont know if the palm dev site does Feb 07 08:36:03 jacques: official channel is developer.palm.com forums Feb 07 08:36:08 geist: I would be happy to file a bug, but I don't know where. I figured as SDL is not officially supported yet, I would need to wait Feb 07 08:36:38 tho if this is a real bug, palm might appreciate knowing about it sooner Feb 07 08:37:24 rwhitby: is it appropriate to discuss SDL there (as it's not yet "official") ? Feb 07 08:37:42 can't hurt. Feb 07 08:38:11 or just ping lemketron to pass it on to the right people ;-) Feb 07 08:38:21 I'm trying to find this code in Palm's SDL patches - talking about blanking and unblanking the FB - it seemed relevant as it appeared to be connected to the minimize/maximize hooks Feb 07 08:38:44 I wanted to try calling the unblank manually but it's a hidden symbol Feb 07 08:41:08 root@palm-webos-device:/usr/lib# arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objdump -t libSDL.so | grep -i blank Feb 07 08:41:12 00066764 l F .text 00000090 .hidden FB_Blank Feb 07 08:41:15 000667f4 l F .text 00000090 .hidden FB_Unblank Feb 07 08:41:36 I feel those may be related from looking at the SDL patches Feb 07 08:46:30 i was under the impression that the underlying implementation will swizzle the buffers around on you when you go full screen Feb 07 08:46:37 to avoid an additional composite Feb 07 08:47:08 geist: yup, that's exactly what I think happens. it's backed up by the fact that anything non-full-screen slows down dramatically Feb 07 08:47:40 (if you don't pause as per the official PDK type apps) Feb 07 08:47:59 geist: I suspect some sleight og buffer going on Feb 07 08:48:12 of buffer Feb 07 08:48:33 jacques: so what's different about X as compared to the other full screen SDL apps we have that DO work? Feb 07 08:48:40 but I can't tell it from my instrumentation - SDL gives me the same pointers to the pixels in the surface Feb 07 08:48:58 destinal: I have been wracking my brain on that one Feb 07 08:50:57 jacques: so, what's most important for SCALE, do you think? the TUIO hidd stuff? (not sure I can have it done by then but I can try) or something else? Feb 07 08:51:55 obviously X, but you're closer to that than I am Feb 07 08:52:15 * rwhitby bbl Feb 07 08:52:38 to be honest I dunno if ppl will be too excited about X, but I am currently obsessed with getting this working :-) Feb 07 08:53:03 the hidd stuff would be actually useful, and useful for demoing I think Feb 07 08:54:00 I am learning a lot about SDL / opengl tho Feb 07 08:54:08 what's a good use case, you said you'll have a tablet, will you be running emulator on it or a native build? Feb 07 08:54:32 I guess emulator Feb 07 08:54:48 or if we could do remote video fast enough you could fully remote control a pre... Feb 07 08:54:53 but I doubt that'll be ready in time Feb 07 08:55:08 hmmmmmmmm Feb 07 08:55:42 is the tablet multitouch? Feb 07 08:56:30 unfortunately, no - it's an older model lenovo x61t - single touch and requires the wacom pen even Feb 07 08:56:56 I want to buy a modern multitouch laptop sometime soon Feb 07 08:57:25 ah. so what can we add beyond what the emulator can already do? let you remotely multitouch the emulator's screen with a pre or iphone? Feb 07 08:58:11 or two mice :P Feb 07 08:59:13 heh, I thought multi-pointer X had been delayed again Feb 07 08:59:37 jacques: ah, well then you may need a windows laptop to be the TUIO source, not very convenient Feb 07 09:00:19 destinal: we had come up with a cool thing to do, what was it ? my mind is blank Feb 07 09:00:32 cool thing using hidd plugin I mean Feb 07 09:00:45 jacques: there's always the logs. :) Feb 07 09:01:02 yep true Feb 07 09:01:15 we can make any kind of virtual hardware work on the emulator, in theory Feb 07 09:01:29 but the emulator already has single touch touchscreen and a keyboard Feb 07 09:01:35 so what other hardware would we want? Feb 07 09:01:54 maybe accelerometer Feb 07 09:02:42 or an external multitouch interface of some kind (you could use the pre for one, but again, why not just hand around your pre if that was the goal) Feb 07 09:04:23 handing around my pre is an anti-goal Feb 07 09:04:35 you can use a TUIO input on the laptop and send input to the pre to use laptop as a virtual touch panel for a pre, but you still people to SEE the pre Feb 07 09:04:49 it would also be single touch but that works for most things Feb 07 09:04:52 hmm, I was supposed to email rick about trying to get demo hardware Feb 07 09:06:57 anyway I have to get to bed but if you want to look back in the logs to see if we had something awesome in mind we've forgotten, or if you have any other great ideas for the use of such technology, let me know Feb 07 09:07:23 destinal: will do (after 3am for me too) Feb 07 09:07:26 I personally thing VNC would be cool Feb 07 09:07:32 to VNC into a pre, I mean Feb 07 09:07:44 yes same here - Feb 07 09:07:49 but we need to be able to return video fast if we do that, maybe from the framebuffer directly Feb 07 09:08:08 I had seen something done for early android phones which I think used the fbdev Feb 07 09:09:00 I wonder if that would work with opengles apps Feb 07 09:09:02 even if you don't do more than you would on the emulator natively on the tablet, it would still be a cool demo :) Feb 07 09:09:16 and hey, that's a good question Feb 07 09:09:38 remember when I was taking screenshots of the glues-demos and they were coming out black? Feb 07 09:10:02 yeah, it may not provide read access Feb 07 09:10:34 I found out it's tricky to get a screenshot of an OPENGL screen - you have to cal a GL_ReadPixels (?) command Feb 07 09:10:44 ah Feb 07 09:11:01 glReadPixels Feb 07 09:11:30 then swap pixels around as it uses a different coordinate system Feb 07 09:11:38 yeah, let me know what you find or think of, right now VNC would be the most awesome but I have no familiarity with the protocol or existing implementations so I don't know Feb 07 09:11:52 also, good night :) Feb 07 09:12:03 but now I have code which can take screenshots of GLES apps on the Pre Feb 07 09:12:27 any GL-ES app from out of process? Feb 07 09:12:38 I uploaded a couple to the wiki last night Feb 07 09:12:40 that's handy Feb 07 09:12:45 `night destinal-sleep Feb 07 09:12:59 VNC DOOM Feb 07 09:13:02 :P Feb 07 09:13:15 no, the function (currently) has to be built into the app Feb 07 09:13:27 ah Feb 07 09:13:32 not sure how to do it external to the app Feb 07 09:14:05 and, I'm not sure doom is using GL (is it?) Feb 07 09:14:28 we have screenshots taken the normal way (I thought) Feb 07 09:17:10 (well the current doom is not GL, but the future, who knows) Feb 07 09:32:58 So a Pixi Plus costs $375: http://cgi.ebay.com/Verizon-Palm-Pixi-Plus-3G-Smartphone_W0QQitemZ280461700726QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item414cd1ee76#ht_4999wt_1167 Feb 07 11:19:55 hello Feb 07 11:21:00 ping rwhitby Feb 07 11:21:25 swisstomcat: what's up? Feb 07 11:21:34 hey Feb 07 11:21:46 i saw that preware now has a french version Feb 07 11:22:06 i assume that a german version can be done now as well Feb 07 11:22:45 i'd volunteer Feb 07 11:56:09 * rwhitby bbt Feb 07 12:46:11 rwhitby: let me know what to do for a german translation of preware Feb 07 13:53:23 hey, does anyone know of any DIY repairable fixes for a non-responsive touch screen on a pre? Feb 07 14:14:26 Hello Feb 07 14:14:33 O.o Feb 07 14:42:35 bbiab Feb 07 15:01:10 whoops, i just made an accidental commit of gibberish, heh Feb 07 15:05:16 remind me never to install the virtual keyboard again >.> Feb 07 15:05:41 no offense to egaudet and the others who did it, but every time I've installed it my pre bombs in some manner >.> Feb 07 15:07:29 i hate git so much Feb 07 15:09:25 It would be so cool if palm implemented their own VK Feb 07 15:10:58 or bluetooth hid or usb host or voice recognition or... Feb 07 15:12:17 it's pretty clear some things aren't priorities for palm, and kind of makes sense Feb 07 15:15:01 At least it's progression. A update every month and half? That's pretty good Feb 07 15:15:56 yeah,and actually native apps and SDL was a pretty big win Feb 07 15:18:52 Yeah, webos is usable now ;) Feb 07 15:24:38 well yeah, palm removed a major "can't do this with webos" scenario. now if we can just get a Luna with native speed respo Feb 07 15:24:49 nsiveness... Feb 07 15:25:25 Do packages in /nonworking/ some how ... install differently? I have a few packages installed, and after setting them as dependencies for a 4th package, it built the first 3 again D: Feb 07 15:27:42 Gpu UI would kill Feb 07 15:27:54 Luna Luna Luna ... heh,cool, my spelling dictionary knows either the name of its UI/framework or more likely, the name of the moon or goddess it was named after. Feb 07 15:43:56 ~seen cdm Feb 07 15:43:59 cdm was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 17d 6h 38m 40s ago, saying: 'lots-o-people'. Feb 07 15:44:57 ~seen geist Feb 07 15:44:58 geist is currently on #webos-internals (17h 48m 57s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 6h 58m 21s, last said: 'to avoid an additional composite'. Feb 07 15:46:19 ~seen mrvc Feb 07 15:46:20 mrvc was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 101d 9h 36m 40s ago, saying: 'later everyone'. Feb 07 15:48:16 destinal-wirc: have a question? lol Feb 07 15:49:26 zsoc: not really, just thinking Feb 07 15:50:16 hehe ok Feb 07 16:00:17 greetings..quick question Feb 07 16:01:26 successfully installed webos quick install and can install successfully using it Feb 07 16:01:41 using quick install i downloaded preware an package manger Feb 07 16:02:12 now n first use i get Fixing Unknown Pckages 1 of 22...ben running about 5 minutes...normal? what is it doing? Feb 07 16:07:30 floridarandy: make sure you're running webOS 1.3.5.x Feb 07 16:08:20 yes...current on new verizon pre plus. i closed card and restarted...seems to be working ok now... Feb 07 16:08:39 downloading packes Feb 07 16:08:41 ah ok, cool Feb 07 16:09:07 * destinal-wirc wants a pre plus :) Feb 07 16:09:32 thanks...ya...best phone / palm i've owned...and that goes back a long time Feb 07 16:10:16 quick general question Feb 07 16:10:41 it seems webos install i simply the desktop version of what preware does on the device unconnected, correct? Feb 07 16:11:56 kind of but not wosqi is as fully featured in some ways as preware. it doesn't automatically handle dependencies for instance Feb 07 16:12:15 err wosqi is not as.. Feb 07 16:12:38 so opt for preware as main tool for patches, tweeks, apps, etc? Feb 07 16:13:10 I recommend using preware as primary, yes Feb 07 16:14:06 and finally...with v1.4 webos coming what do i do to uninstall patches...i believe this mustbe done before updating? Feb 07 16:14:38 floridarandy: just doctor it Feb 07 16:14:40 :D Feb 07 16:14:46 If you updated your patches with the new AUP or whatever it is, it shouldn't be necessary Feb 07 16:15:16 floridarandy: actually the patches in preware will use the new auto update patch thing so it shouldn't be needed Feb 07 16:15:41 doctor simply wipes and reintalls. re AUP how do i confirm it present? Feb 07 16:15:41 tweaks in wosqi, I don't know if they'll be an issue or not Feb 07 16:16:06 this doesn't mean the patches will /work/, but they won't break your system and will update correctly when they are updated to support whatever new version of WebOS comes out Feb 07 16:16:19 floridarandy: yeah and doctor is clean and quick Feb 07 16:16:30 anyone fit with git? I get: Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 2 commits. what shall I do now? Feb 07 16:16:43 completein puff's suggestion how do you reinstall then after webos update? Feb 07 16:17:04 debilater: that means u made changes Feb 07 16:17:07 and havent pushed Feb 07 16:17:31 PuffTheMagic_: omg yes, I forgot :) thanks! Feb 07 16:17:47 floridarandy: im saying to doctor it instead of doing the OTA update Feb 07 16:17:57 when the OTA is out the new doctor is out Feb 07 16:18:16 Hi ! I installed preware yesterday .. Evryting was ok but I cant start the preware apps.. somebody can help me ? Feb 07 16:18:19 i find it easier to just start clean each update Feb 07 16:18:19 floridarandy: heh, puff would have you just wipe phone to factory with the new doctor when it comes out and relogin to your palm profile and reinstall preware and then install any homebrew packages Feb 07 16:18:32 esp since internals nt touched Feb 07 16:19:03 I did that with 1.3.5 and it was pretty painless but I keep my contacts in the cloud anyway Feb 07 16:19:09 destinal-wirc: but with metadoctor u could get preware/ip[kservice usbnet and dev mode enabled Feb 07 16:19:25 I really, really wish Palm would fix synergy to remember contact associations Feb 07 16:20:00 we "webos-internals" should create a Trac for webOS bugs Feb 07 16:20:07 our own bug tracker for Palm Feb 07 16:20:18 rwhitby: ping!!! Feb 07 16:20:54 PuffTheMagic_: I agree 100%! Feb 07 16:20:56 floridarandy: it'll probably all just work with the ota update and aup, but check first here before you do it Feb 07 16:21:14 PuffTheMagic_: and for our apps+services Feb 07 16:21:30 debilater: some projects do already Feb 07 16:21:36 nobody can help me ? Feb 07 16:21:38 those with devs who are interested Feb 07 16:22:43 so i talked a friend of mine in getting a pre plus since his contract was up Feb 07 16:23:00 got it at noon yesterday and went out to the bars at 11 that night and the power button was already broken Feb 07 16:23:05 gg palm way to step up the build quality Feb 07 16:23:10 lol Feb 07 16:23:36 sampson: they didnt do anything for build qualit Feb 07 16:23:53 that's pretty sad Feb 07 16:23:55 PuffTheMagic_: on webos-internal.org? Feb 07 16:24:03 they just made it easier to make by removing the center button Feb 07 16:24:20 they added one of those water strips behind the battery too Feb 07 16:24:24 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac Feb 07 16:24:25 the slider is def nicer Feb 07 16:24:56 sampson: the slider is different or did u just forget what a fresh one is like? Feb 07 16:25:07 puff: I heard they're building them differently Feb 07 16:25:26 keyboard and slider are both different Feb 07 16:25:29 PuffTheMagic_: how do i add? Feb 07 16:25:44 debilater: ummmmm... you cant yet Feb 07 16:25:57 i need to talk to rwhitby about adding a plugin by default Feb 07 16:26:05 that allows new users to make accounts Feb 07 16:26:12 i "could" make the plugin Feb 07 16:26:18 if my python2.5 was working Feb 07 16:26:34 i can only use python2.6 right now Feb 07 16:26:39 and the server needs 2.5 Feb 07 16:26:53 i'd really lovi it Feb 07 16:27:09 debilater: yeah i like the idea too Feb 07 16:27:19 we could get precentral people to use it too :D Feb 07 16:28:50 PuffTheMagic_: I'm totally coddled with rt.cpan.org :) Feb 07 16:29:19 PuffTheMagic_: and the best would be: just add to changelog: "- fixed bg#1833" :) Feb 07 16:29:29 s/bg/bug/ Feb 07 16:29:29 debilater meant: PuffTheMagic_: and the best would be: just add to changelog: "- fixed bug#1833" :) Feb 07 16:30:18 preware question Feb 07 16:30:26 how do i translate it to german? Feb 07 16:30:44 swisstomcat: ask a german? :) (e.g. me) Feb 07 16:31:16 i mean technically .. i'd volunteer for a translation Feb 07 16:31:26 swisstomcat: no serioulsly: latest branch already has german translation (since yesterday) Feb 07 16:31:34 oh well Feb 07 16:31:39 :) Feb 07 16:32:05 volunteers where knocking down the door i guess :) Feb 07 16:33:14 prewares multilingual yay Feb 07 16:33:17 swisstomcat: well check out the latest commits Feb 07 16:33:32 cool stuff Feb 07 16:33:33 swisstomcat: and use the French translation as a template Feb 07 16:33:48 and send us the new file Feb 07 16:33:51 guess i could still translate it to swiss-german Feb 07 16:34:10 since the german is done already Feb 07 16:34:27 destinal-wirc: we shoudl probably match these with real LOCALES Feb 07 16:34:40 if not already Feb 07 16:34:47 swisstomcat: in fact I fixed the german translation today, because the palm can't display umlauts and - worse - command buttons and list widgets don't even understand html entities Feb 07 16:35:15 not good Feb 07 16:35:29 yes Feb 07 16:35:53 a shame for palm Feb 07 16:37:38 apparently palm is too US centric Feb 07 16:37:55 I'm rather surprised at that seeing as they're released in Germany Feb 07 16:38:08 You sure there's no locale settings? Feb 07 16:39:51 VincentLaw: maybe but I hate german translated errormessages of usual unix commands :) Feb 07 16:41:46 VincentLaw: I didn't found anything like that in /etc or in my shell env Feb 07 16:47:01 sorry...called away but thanks to all for the input Feb 07 16:49:11 puff: we should use palms already selected location/language Feb 07 16:49:40 but I guess delectable sub-regions would be good Feb 07 16:49:53 select able Feb 07 16:50:03 spellcheck grr Feb 07 16:59:11 my slider is grinding a bit and my power button doesn't work without 10 lbs of force,and I have several dead pixels. I should really get this thing replaced Feb 07 16:59:32 I would say so Feb 07 16:59:39 lol Feb 07 17:00:50 Imorchard: you here? Feb 07 17:13:47 destinal-wirc: build quality of newer units is much better Feb 07 17:33:13 Feb 07 17:33:49 is there someone here with SDL knowledge? Feb 07 17:35:25 debilater: just ask the ? maybe someone can help Feb 07 17:35:58 people are always busy so someone might take a peek and answer :) Feb 07 17:37:03 PuffTheMagic_: I think since webos already has proper language selection we should base on that by default. maybe if there were sub localizations that palm didn't support we could make that selectable but I don't see a big need Feb 07 17:37:41 well, my stella port runs so far on the palm, I managed to turn off it's joystick support (it found the accelerometer as joystick!) and re-mapped the keys. however, moving just doesnt work. so, up,down,left,right using w,s,a,d - nope. I can fire/jump, enter the game menu, settings menu and stuff but not move Feb 07 17:38:12 debilater: probably you just need to map the keys Feb 07 17:38:21 or you said you did already? Feb 07 17:38:47 destinal: I did and it shows the mapped keys in INput Settings correctly Feb 07 17:39:35 Hey Feb 07 17:40:12 hey hey hey Feb 07 17:40:37 Anything interesting? Feb 07 17:41:17 yea saints lose by 10 Feb 07 17:42:07 DrFunk: what did I tell you about time travel and spoilers? stop that.. Feb 07 17:42:31 lmao Feb 07 17:42:44 have fun all bbl Feb 07 17:42:50 DrFunk: later Feb 07 17:43:27 destinal oh right i forgot it had support for that already Feb 07 17:44:04 PuffTheMagic_: yeah it's kind of annoying that there's not one universal image Feb 07 17:44:58 so only if you're on a system image from a carrier that serves a native language speaking population do you even see languages like german Feb 07 17:46:17 it would be cool to make a metadoctor type support for generation of a universal image. unfortunately it would take like five doctor downloads to have all the right source files Feb 07 17:48:36 maybe a program to build you a doctor by fetching the right things from the right ones that you select -- say, I want customizations for X carrier with Y and Z language, go out and get me the right doctors and mix it together Feb 07 17:50:17 also it would be nice to be able to do that even if your customizations package is for an earlier version (ie your carrier doesn't have 1.4 yet but sprint doctor is out) Feb 07 17:53:12 debilater: dtzWill is probably the best to ask, he's done tons of these ports Feb 07 18:00:01 the superbowl has broken my digital tv Feb 07 18:04:11 bleh I need some artwork :/ Feb 07 18:05:24 VincentLaw what do you need? Feb 07 18:09:21 a slot machine face. I'm not nearly good enough of an artist to crank one out. lawl Feb 07 18:09:24 http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeOSArchitecture Feb 07 18:09:33 i wonder if that would run on my pre :) Feb 07 18:12:51 VincentLaw do you want a drawing, or a photo, or what? You need the reels too? see pm for email Feb 07 18:14:20 okay Feb 07 18:14:27 I only need the face, I have the reels done Feb 07 18:16:10 you could find a pd photo or drawing. Feb 07 18:16:20 I've tried, actually Feb 07 18:16:28 there really aren't any Feb 07 18:16:33 at least, ones of it front-facing Feb 07 18:19:05 ahhhh Feb 07 18:19:29 I'm making a slot machine app, so :p Feb 07 18:19:36 well, if you have photos of it at an oblique angle you could skew them to square and crop, but at that point, getting josh in is a good idea. Feb 07 18:19:39 he's VERY good. Feb 07 18:19:49 alright. hopefully it won't cost too much :D Feb 07 18:19:55 should I say you referred me? Feb 07 18:20:25 yes, and mention that you've talked to JenP and discuss a royalty arrangement. He's already got apps (wallpaper apps) in the app catalog Feb 07 18:21:11 (I don't know who JenP is lol) Feb 07 18:22:56 oh, you don't hang in #webos at all huh Feb 07 18:23:17 JenP did debtfree, and is my partner on the vocshopgames apps. Feb 07 18:24:56 Rubin: the squeezebox operating system? well, it could be ported, but there's not a lot of phone related support in the architecture I imagine Feb 07 18:25:29 rick-home: ah, ok. yeah I don't visit webos much :p Feb 07 18:26:57 Rubin: but this looks kind of cool (both the stack and the supporting hardware) Feb 07 18:29:37 destinal, im thinking more like the lua/jive bit, so that the pre becomes the remote half of the duet Feb 07 18:29:57 but could also be useful to have it be the player side too. on 2nd thought. Feb 07 18:30:08 morning all Feb 07 18:30:19 the jive thing is LUA -> SDL Feb 07 18:30:43 Rubin: absolutely, you could just layer it into webos Feb 07 18:31:04 run all the applets that are out there for squeezebox Feb 07 18:31:36 is it getting easier to integrate that stuff so it runs in a card? Feb 07 18:32:12 SDL apps will naturally run in cards with no extra work (see the DOOM port example) Feb 07 18:32:29 wow so maybe its easier than i was even thinking Feb 07 18:44:17 basically Rubin, if you download the WIPK package, you can take any sdl app, and simply make and compile it. Feb 07 18:44:39 You then get to do fun stuff like keymaps and such, but joystick support is AUTOMATICALLY built into using the accelerometer. Feb 07 18:44:54 thats awesome Feb 07 18:45:52 now, we STRONGLY suggest that you use the WIPK in an ubuntu 9.1 installation, and frankly, we suggest just installing a virtual machine just for that purpose... but since you're going to have a VM anyway to run the SDK emulator, no big deal. Feb 07 18:47:05 see the wipk page on the webos-internals wiki Feb 07 19:04:18 Preware and WOSQI are saying that i have Command Line installed on my phone, but I don't. I've to uninstall it with both programs but they give me the error that there is no such file or directory. So what should I do? Feb 07 19:09:44 gollyzila you have the old commander service running. Feb 07 19:10:01 you don't have command line, but the service is still there. Feb 07 19:10:17 how do i remove it? Feb 07 19:11:21 did you ever have the flashlight app (the old one) installed? Feb 07 19:11:42 uhhh I don't think Feb 07 19:12:10 hmmm Feb 07 19:14:05 what is the exact message that you're getting? Feb 07 19:17:12 Is there a way to copy the message that WOSQI gives? Feb 07 19:17:51 no Feb 07 19:18:18 How about in Preware? Feb 07 19:21:04 no Feb 07 19:21:11 other than typing of course.... Feb 07 19:23:03 I'm going to take a screenshot of it Feb 07 19:24:33