**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 18 02:59:57 2010 Feb 18 03:05:29 hmm ##MSL# just gives me my phone number... Feb 18 03:05:33 no reset options Feb 18 03:06:38 nom nom nom Feb 18 03:07:43 ohnoes developer.palm.com is ded Feb 18 03:07:53 begin conspiracy theories NOW Feb 18 03:12:24 lol Feb 18 03:12:36 i did ##RTN# then go to reset then enter my MSL Feb 18 03:12:48 the phone rebooted and I'm still stuck in signed in palm profile Feb 18 03:12:48 S: Feb 18 03:12:50 wtf Feb 18 03:14:55 looks like webos doctor for the rescue! Feb 18 03:34:07 dbsooner: you around, again? Feb 18 04:16:33 Howdy. Feb 18 04:39:52 hola WHE's Feb 18 04:47:34 I installed the Gmaps-latitude-workaround-UPDATED.patch a few days ago via webos quick install. I noticed that it showed up in Preware today, so I removed the patch via Preware, rebooted, and then tried to install the one in Preware, but it keeps failing. Apparently it thinks the patch is still there. Is there a way I can completely remove it via Terminal? Feb 18 04:48:34 WillJitsu: when you removed it in Preware, did it ask for permission to run a script? Feb 18 04:48:43 yes and I gave it permission Feb 18 04:48:59 it would be interesting to see the contents of that script Feb 18 04:49:25 can you install the manual one again, and grab the prerm script from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info ? Feb 18 04:49:35 in fact, it still appears to be working when I load google maps. the additional entries in the menu are there, and the shortcuts it added are still there as well Feb 18 04:50:01 right, that's why I want to see the prerm script to see if will actually remove stuff Feb 18 04:50:18 sure. I'm not at home right now so I can do that in a few hours. Feb 18 04:52:15 rwhitby: I talked with JayCanuck the other day and he said that WosQI is set up to grab scripts from the internals repository Feb 18 04:52:26 that way changes to AUPT don't require changes to QI Feb 18 04:52:54 cryptk|work: right, but aupt-2 had a bug which could be coming into play here Feb 18 04:54:09 that is true Feb 18 04:54:49 but if he reinstalls it with QI it should reinstall the aupt-3 variant, and it still wouldn't be able to install it if the aupt-2 variant didn't uninstall Feb 18 04:55:14 I would think run the EFV, if it replies bak that the files are still modified then use the repair utility Feb 18 04:55:23 that 'should' fix it I would think Feb 18 04:55:41 that is what I did to fix my aupt-2 patches Feb 18 04:58:32 cryptk|work: I can reinstall the exact .patch file I downloaded from the forum post. I didn't choose it from a list of patches in webosqi. Feb 18 04:59:08 yes, but when QI installs a patch file it has to have scripts to be able to install it Feb 18 04:59:15 oh Feb 18 04:59:17 it uses the same scripts that patches in preware use Feb 18 04:59:29 that is how QI is AUPT compatible Feb 18 04:59:29 what is EFV? Feb 18 04:59:37 Emergency File Verification in preware Feb 18 04:59:44 but try whatt rwhitby said first Feb 18 05:00:15 ok so just install the .patch exactly the way I did before, right? Feb 18 05:00:29 yeah Feb 18 05:01:53 btw, rwhitby great work on finding ans squashing that bug before 1.4 Feb 18 05:02:02 s/ans/and/ Feb 18 05:02:02 cryptk|work meant: btw, rwhitby great work on finding and squashing that bug before 1.4 Feb 18 05:02:05 cryptk|work: it was all egaudet Feb 18 05:02:08 ahh Feb 18 05:02:30 well then I revoke my grats to you and instead pass it on to egaudet Feb 18 05:02:35 lol Feb 18 05:02:46 what who I plead the 5th, you have no proof! Feb 18 05:02:54 wait what are we talking about Feb 18 05:02:59 rwhitby: what's the best way to grab that file you need after I reinstall the patch? Feb 18 05:03:19 egaudet: I was saying great work on finding the aupt-2 bug and fixing it before 1.4 Feb 18 05:03:41 WillJitsu: you have terminal on your pre? or ssh access? Feb 18 05:03:46 I have terminal Feb 18 05:04:00 cd to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info Feb 18 05:04:06 and find the script Feb 18 05:04:24 meh more like bad work introducing the bug with aupt-2 ;) Feb 18 05:04:31 then do 'cp scriptFileName /media/internal/scriptFileName Feb 18 05:04:39 egaudet: I removed ultramix, then installed and removed megamix, and now my efv is clean Feb 18 05:04:40 without the ' Feb 18 05:04:50 cryptk|work: I could do that just as easily using Internalz, right? Feb 18 05:04:55 yeah Feb 18 05:04:59 k Feb 18 05:05:03 just copy the file into /media/internal Feb 18 05:05:07 rwhitby, cool so the mini-fix is working Feb 18 05:05:10 gotcha Feb 18 05:05:14 then plug the pre up in USB mode and it will be sitting in there Feb 18 05:05:22 egaudet: now installing ultramix and checking efv Feb 18 05:05:24 ok cool Feb 18 05:05:51 then put the contents in http://webos.pastebin.com and report back with the URL it gives ou Feb 18 05:05:55 s/ou/you/ Feb 18 05:05:56 cryptk|work meant: then put the contents in http://webos.pastebin.com and report back with the URL it gives you Feb 18 05:06:38 ok Feb 18 05:09:41 egaudet: yep, efv is clean now (apart from the files I have manually modified on the device for secret purposes) Feb 18 05:10:14 so I think I almost had my phone chainbooting Feb 18 05:10:19 good good Feb 18 05:10:26 I am just having issues with getting it to accept keyboard input... Feb 18 05:10:39 which unfortunately means, for now, it is useless Feb 18 05:10:57 (the bootloader that is, my phone is working again...) Feb 18 05:11:12 done it like 4 or 5 times, haha Feb 18 05:37:35 dsevil, you around? Feb 18 05:47:27 I was wondering Feb 18 05:56:18 patches are so stupid and finicky! Feb 18 06:10:25 preware would be so awesome if it had checkboxes in the patches section... Feb 18 06:10:39 ^_^ Feb 18 06:11:05 hi Feb 18 06:14:34 r0dent, pingu Feb 18 06:14:40 sup Feb 18 06:14:55 when U @ the H0tL? Feb 18 06:36:45 I love how the freenote webchat just stops working... Feb 18 06:36:57 and doesn't let you know that it isn't communicating with the server anymore... Feb 18 06:37:15 then i finally figure it out like an hour later when I go to say something and it doesn't show up in the window Feb 18 06:48:38 cryptk|work: yes, I have to use it from work and I hate that Feb 18 06:48:45 exactly Feb 18 06:49:09 That is where I use it at since I can't isntall an IRC client here... it "de-sync's" or somethign every now and then... Feb 18 06:49:41 it's really not robust at all Feb 18 06:50:09 yep Feb 18 06:50:18 I mean, it works well... when it works... Feb 18 06:50:28 but it could use a little more developement Feb 18 06:54:48 I really wish preware would sort the patches that are already installed... Feb 18 06:55:00 just like it does the ones that are available to be installed Feb 18 07:01:34 cryptk|work: you mean sort installed packages by category? Feb 18 07:01:49 well, installed patches Feb 18 07:01:59 if you go into available patches it is sorted into categories Feb 18 07:02:09 it would be nice if the list of installed patches had similar sorting Feb 18 07:09:13 anyone know where /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/resources/de_de comes from Feb 18 07:09:51 let me check if it is a part of the 1.3.5.2 image Feb 18 07:10:30 I sure could go for a nice hot cup of WebOS 1.4 Feb 18 07:13:03 hmm nope Feb 18 07:13:50 not for a while is my guess Feb 18 07:14:25 hmm, maybe if I guarantee it won't come out this week, it will come out tonight ? Feb 18 07:47:01 bleh Feb 18 07:47:50 :-) Feb 18 07:49:13 http://twitter.com/webOSdev/status/9269645822 Feb 18 07:54:26 bleh++ Feb 18 07:54:30 ekhsellent Feb 18 07:54:37 AUPT has 70% confidence from precentral users :P Feb 18 07:54:41 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/poll-2019-a.html Feb 18 07:55:09 60% speedup isnt too bad.. for a days work Feb 18 07:56:51 hi Feb 18 07:57:54 egaudet: heh, I wouldn't trust us either. Feb 18 08:00:20 Patches are so evil, and then windows editting makes life more miserable Feb 18 08:01:38 there are files without standard newline at end of file. So when stuff is added to the end of that file, and then we generate with -b, the patch applies... but CAN'T remove. So I have to get dBsooner to stop the -b regeneration, which is my mistake. Feb 18 08:02:01 I use gvim for work, and I think it gives you the option of what line breaks to save with Feb 18 08:02:33 Yeah file format options Unix Dos Mac Feb 18 08:03:18 I think by mac, they mean CR like OS 9 and oldass stuff Feb 18 08:03:52 does pre have a copy of dos2unix on it? Feb 18 08:04:59 oh wait you said end of the file... nevermind all that crap I just said Feb 18 08:05:03 heh Feb 18 08:09:10 :p, well the dos CR's aren't fun either Feb 18 08:13:07 joshua: if it isn't already in optware, I would think you could cross compile it for arm and have it work Feb 18 08:14:08 I just placed my vote, I think it'll be fine... unless egaudet is involved... lol j/k Feb 18 08:14:50 I really wish I knew what was in that early release forum... Feb 18 08:15:08 but alas... I will have to wait and see the changelog... Feb 18 08:16:17 egaudet: I was thinking of writing a script to extract the doctor files and show a changelog of sorts... basically show all of the files where the md5sums don't match between any two given doctor files Feb 18 08:16:26 would that be useful to you? Feb 18 08:17:10 extract 2 doctors and compare? Feb 18 08:17:14 maybe even have it generate diff files for the unmatching files so you can look at the code changes (as long as it is a file type that it would be useul Feb 18 08:17:17 egaudet: yeah Feb 18 08:17:19 cryptk|work: I think i did one of those Feb 18 08:17:22 unless there is something like that Feb 18 08:17:32 rwhitby: really, is there a copy of it out there somewhere? Feb 18 08:17:45 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/diff-excludes.conf Feb 18 08:18:16 did it just show changed files or did it also generate diffs for the changed files? Feb 18 08:18:18 run unpack-doctor in the same repo dir on both, and then diff -r -X with that I think Feb 18 08:18:36 yeah, that is basically what I was looking at doing Feb 18 08:19:49 * egaudet goes to bed Feb 18 08:20:18 I am also thinking of looking at modifying meta-doctor so that it can apply .patch files to the doctor image before it is flashed Feb 18 08:20:30 unless meta-doc does that already (I couldn't find a way if it does) Feb 18 08:21:14 it doesn't Feb 18 08:21:17 so you could have a folder with a bunch of patch files in it and it would properly modify the doctor image and generate a script that you would then run on the pre to put in all of the packages for said patches Feb 18 08:21:38 so taht way the patches would be seen as installed in preware/QI Feb 18 08:21:42 just add the ipkgs to the carrier customisation tarball Feb 18 08:21:54 that would work Feb 18 08:22:04 except that would install them in the wrong ipkg database with disastrous results for OTA Feb 18 08:22:06 carrier customisation tarball is installed on / Feb 18 08:22:15 ahh Feb 18 08:22:37 so the way I thought of would be better Feb 18 08:23:06 it should result with patches being installed the same way as they are now, preware "shouldn't" be able to tell a difference Feb 18 08:23:13 that is of course... assuming I do it right, lol Feb 18 08:23:49 the idea came from noticing the file in the USB partition that lists all installed patches Feb 18 08:24:17 My end goal is to have a utility that will take that file and the current doctor file and generate a doctor file with all of those patches pre-installed Feb 18 08:24:28 should save a bit of time if someone has to doctor for some reason Feb 18 08:24:41 such as if they have to swap out a phone for a hardware failure Feb 18 08:25:12 USB mode, grab that file, make custom doctor... swap out phone, doctor phone with new custom doctor, good to go Feb 18 08:25:33 I may be able to work in a way to have things like preware and such pre-installed Feb 18 08:25:48 after doctoring they can just run ESE Feb 18 08:25:58 true Feb 18 08:26:25 but for metadoctor I like the idea of pre-patching (less errors/failed installs) Feb 18 08:26:45 is there any way to flag something to be run once on next bootup... so then the ESE would be run on the next bootup but not on subsequent boots... Feb 18 08:26:55 just will need to keep in mind the underlying aupt/ipkg system Feb 18 08:26:57 I mean I know I could "hackaround" using cron Feb 18 08:27:24 yeah... I want it to work similar to how QI does it... you have a folder with .patch files and it will grab the current scripts from the repo Feb 18 08:27:31 so it should be AUPT compatible Feb 18 08:27:37 you could see if you could put a customization ipk in the carrier tarball that has a postinst to do what you want and then remove itself Feb 18 08:27:43 and if AUPT changes then it will upgrade automatically Feb 18 08:27:51 egaudet: good idea Feb 18 08:28:12 Meta-Doctor V2.0? Feb 18 08:28:36 sounds like a good name for me, lol, I will be basing all of it off Meta-Doc so it should have everything that meta has, just adding in pre-patching Feb 18 08:29:04 it would be great if I could feed it that file from the USB partition and have it grab the patches itself... Feb 18 08:29:18 everything in meta is user configurable (uncomment in makefile) so it could be added Feb 18 08:29:27 will that file that preware makes have patches that are installed but are not found in the repo? Feb 18 08:29:29 but I'm off to bed now Feb 18 08:29:34 egaudet: goodnight Feb 18 08:30:40 I may make a GTK gui for it also... Feb 18 08:30:59 never done GTK before so it would be a learning experience Feb 18 08:31:32 unless you have some reason for keeping it command line only Feb 18 08:34:25 btw, I used the send all contacts via email patch and then imported that data into google contacts... then I tested by doing a reset... everything worked flawlessly and no manual linking of accounts needed afterwards since everything was in one place Feb 18 08:34:41 everything linked perfectly from the get-go Feb 18 08:34:51 I would highly recommend it to everyone... Feb 18 08:36:52 WebOS Internals banner: http://i45.tinypic.com/t6pf6r.png Feb 18 08:38:24 rwhitby: I loke it Feb 18 08:38:28 s/loke/like/ Feb 18 08:38:28 cryptk|work meant: rwhitby: I like it Feb 18 08:39:31 rwhitby: how is the server space paid for? Feb 18 08:39:40 I don't see anything for donations on the wiki... Feb 18 08:39:56 cryptk|work: top right of front page ? Feb 18 08:40:07 ahh, there it is, lol Feb 18 08:40:11 and fifth line of left sidebar Feb 18 08:40:32 ok... so I am just blind... Feb 18 08:42:19 I wonder if you could get webos-internals phone skins made and offer them to people for a "donation" Feb 18 08:42:42 oh, drpodder is on git.webos-internals now Feb 18 08:42:50 nice Feb 18 08:43:11 what is the donation application? Feb 18 08:44:38 oil: something I was thinking about for the app catalog, but I haven't worked out how to do it in a non-brighthouse way Feb 18 08:45:08 oil: yeah, there's a trac for drPodder too Feb 18 08:46:29 you thinking of putting an app in the catalog to generate money for internals? Feb 18 08:46:42 why not put a donate button inside preware? Feb 18 08:46:53 i like templarians commit comments on the preware webpage git, lol Feb 18 08:47:55 rwhitby: or set up a text message donation thing like what mGive does? Feb 18 08:48:48 cryptk|work: the problem with a donate button in an app is that once you've donated, you probably don't want to see the button any more Feb 18 08:48:55 true Feb 18 08:49:06 and if you don't want to donate, you probably don't want to see the button either. Feb 18 08:49:40 but if you set up something with mGive then you have a how to donate button inside of the preware app menu Feb 18 08:49:51 maybe add in an 'about' scene and have it in there Feb 18 08:49:55 A donation app allows people to donate by purchasing it, and then either leaving it there to show they are a supporter, or deleting it if they don't want to see it. Feb 18 08:49:59 throw a donate button there... Feb 18 08:50:21 then it is hidden from normal view during app usage but it is there if they want to donate Feb 18 08:50:25 lol @ giving palm 30% of the donations Feb 18 08:50:29 it jsut isn't plastered in the mniddle of the app Feb 18 08:50:51 not to mention the app would have a fixed price Feb 18 08:50:56 someone couldnt donate more or less Feb 18 08:51:00 oil: yes, these are the problems :-) Feb 18 08:51:04 lol Feb 18 08:51:07 I don't know the solution. Feb 18 08:51:14 true, but add a donate button inside of preware in an "about" scene Feb 18 08:51:14 hence it's not going anywhere. Feb 18 08:51:26 This is a good quote: "All I know is that the palm catalog lists 283 free apps for me. Preware lists 481 free apps. So I don't use the Palm App Catalog anymore. Preware beats that Palm App by using the much acclaimed synergy on their own stuff." Feb 18 08:51:33 then it could list the webos-internals wiki page, the IRC channel, preware.org and a donate button Feb 18 08:51:49 rwhitby: that's a nice quote Feb 18 08:51:54 or add it into the help scene that is already there Feb 18 08:53:17 as long as it isn't plastered in the middle of preware nobody shoudl care Feb 18 08:53:29 prewares searching doesn't stack up against palms though Feb 18 08:53:45 gotta make it search the description Feb 18 08:54:01 I like the convienience of having the palm catalog and such in preware though, I can check for updates for everything all in one place Feb 18 09:02:42 anyone here? Feb 18 09:04:23 no Feb 18 09:04:26 i ate them all Feb 18 09:04:29 apparently not Feb 18 09:04:29 * raster licks his lips Feb 18 09:05:13 * jacques is most definitely not here. Feb 18 09:05:26 got a quick question about roaming on sprint network Feb 18 09:05:52 not so much a homebrew question... Feb 18 09:06:02 so our answer may or may not be correct, lol Feb 18 09:06:22 erm... I mean... Feb 18 09:06:23 lol Feb 18 09:06:24 * cryptk|work not here either Feb 18 09:06:35 cryptk|work: i thnk u can say that for an answer you give :) Feb 18 09:06:44 raster: that is true Feb 18 09:06:51 thanks for pointing it out Feb 18 09:07:24 HebrewzHammer: your safest bet to get an answer as far as sprint policies and such is to call sprint Feb 18 09:07:36 err Feb 18 09:07:38 any answer Feb 18 09:07:38 :) Feb 18 09:07:42 well, i was wondering...People with a GSM Pre can turn their phone to 2G only to save battery life. I realize setting my Sprint Pre to roaming only will work, but does that mean that it won't connect to a sprint network in roaming only mode? Feb 18 09:08:07 roaming would use more battery I think Feb 18 09:08:20 HebrewzHammer: if it is in roaming only then yes, it will avoid connecting to sprint networks Feb 18 09:08:39 it is useful in situations where you have very low signal on sprint but strong signal roaming Feb 18 09:08:50 the phone would still prefer to connect to the low signal sprint network Feb 18 09:08:58 yeah, but otherwise if its the other way around its going to always be looking for a carrier Feb 18 09:09:02 so you throw it in roaming only and then it avoids the sprint netwoek Feb 18 09:09:47 well is there anyway to set it to 1x mode only, so then you can connect to any network with only 1x to save battery life Feb 18 09:09:47 joshua: exactly, if you are in a low sprint signal area it woudl be constantly searching for a signal killing the battery so in some isntances roaming only can improve battery life Feb 18 09:10:00 I believe there is a patch for that Feb 18 09:11:33 It seems like 1x is the 2g equivalent. So a patch for 1x only would save battery life (except if there is very low 1x signal and good 3g signal), right? Feb 18 09:11:47 you could also turn data usage off to save battery life Feb 18 09:12:07 but I think that would stop lots of stuff from working, such as no new email notifications and such Feb 18 09:12:37 Roaming only is nice b/c it stays in 1x but it won't connect to any sprint tower even if that sprint tower has better 1x signal Feb 18 09:12:53 yes Feb 18 09:13:00 it will not connect to the sprint tower Feb 18 09:13:07 because it is set to only roam Feb 18 09:13:21 I just wanted to make sure I understood this before I posted a thread to request a ptach on the forum Feb 18 09:13:26 now some phones ahve a roaming only mode that will still connect to their native network if there is no other choice Feb 18 09:13:47 I do not know if the pre will connect to sprint though if there are no other options Feb 18 09:13:55 I have nowhere to test it Feb 18 09:14:03 I would need a place that has ONLY sprint coverage Feb 18 09:14:20 friend jsut emailed me this link... http://www.decalgirl.com/category.view/Palm-Pre-Skins/ Feb 18 09:14:29 some cool skins on there... Feb 18 09:15:45 thanx for the help! Feb 18 09:15:55 np Feb 18 09:16:47 HebrewzHammer... I totally wasn't paying attention to his nick. hah Feb 18 09:17:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0WauS9Sus Feb 18 10:03:53 i am so fucking gutted..o/t..dont care :( Feb 18 11:15:44 ... Feb 18 11:32:22 wtf my new pre is doing the same as the ld one dropping my calls! Feb 18 12:21:43 iSmite: maybe you live in a farraday cage Feb 18 12:21:55 faraday... never typed that out before Feb 18 12:22:23 hmmm Feb 18 12:22:31 my iphone never dropped one call Feb 18 12:22:39 i get full signal on it, both pres i only have 2 bars Feb 18 12:25:48 joshua are you (you must be) member of the official palm dev, if so can i pm you Feb 18 12:26:24 i have nothing to do with palm, i just love my pre Feb 18 12:26:37 hm ok i thought u were Feb 18 12:26:53 need someone whos part of the dev program Feb 18 12:27:47 egaudet are you there? Feb 18 12:28:07 I have a developer account, but that is open access. I'm not on the early access program if thats what you mean. Feb 18 12:28:33 One of these days I'll come up with an idea for an app and make it. heh Feb 18 12:28:49 lol Feb 18 12:29:39 ah crap its 430am in california Feb 18 12:39:02 seems like it would be nice if Palm had an official "homebrew community liason" Feb 18 12:39:23 someone to take the inputs from the homebrew community and relay them to the people in charge of developement Feb 18 12:39:34 something more active than just monitoring the channel Feb 18 12:40:48 I thought rhwhitby does that in secret cause hes the big mastermind Feb 18 12:45:53 is there any way i can improve the reception, i dunno why my palm pre has 2 bars only Feb 18 12:46:00 when the same sim in the iphone has full Feb 18 12:56:24 oh, you are GSM... Feb 18 12:56:33 same carrier? Feb 18 14:14:10 iSmite: either iphone has better antenna which I would be surprised by, or maybe it's lying? Feb 18 14:15:25 the pre has a crap signal. o2 i get full signal in my house not with the pre. i googled it and im not the only one Feb 18 14:16:28 I have no issues but I'm on the CDMA modem on sprint Feb 18 14:20:37 destinal can i pm u a min Feb 18 14:33:19 ugh, just typed up a paragraph explaining preware/app catalog problem I'm having and was disconnected before it sent... Feb 18 14:34:25 apps won't delete or install, preware won't show full app list and shows gibberish for installed apps, device info software list has odd gaps like app list json is corrupted or something. any ideas? Feb 18 14:35:01 restarting doesn't help; issue cropped up since most recent "update all" for new patch structure Feb 18 14:36:10 might be time for a webos doctor Feb 18 14:37:22 doesn't make sense that it would suddenly break though... I'd like to figure out what happened before I do that, since it will probably just happen again if I dont Feb 18 14:38:01 likely something you had installed. I had no issues with the updates myself, except for a conflicting patch Feb 18 14:40:13 yeah, I guess. oh well. time to go wipe things. I just hope it doesn't immediately happen again after I reinstall everything. Feb 18 15:07:04 that's odd Feb 18 15:07:22 I wonder what changed that caused the Advanced Phone Menu and Flashlight Menu patches to conflict Feb 18 15:16:24 That banner is so ugly... :( Feb 18 15:43:39 can anyone confirm or deny that webos-sdl supports SDL_CreateYUVOverlay()? Feb 18 15:44:33 because in theory we can use it to mimic mojo elements. Feb 18 15:56:06 could someone please point out why it is that I am an idiot and can't get an SSH connection to my pre to work... Feb 18 15:56:14 getting connection refused... Feb 18 15:56:26 using OpenSSH from preware Feb 18 16:07:18 nevermind, got it Feb 18 16:07:44 seems that ESE didn't work right with the OpenSSH package... I uninstalled and reinstalled OpenSSH and it works great again Feb 18 16:07:53 this was after a doctor + ESE btw... Feb 18 16:22:46 Hello guys, I have a quick question. Where is preware.conf so I can add a custom feed? Feb 18 16:23:28 Things have change lately with the file conventions Feb 18 16:26:27 you can look at the testing feed info for how to add custom feeds Feb 18 16:26:30 ~testing-feed Feb 18 16:26:33 hmm... testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 18 16:26:53 there is the link, it show how to add the testing feed, but you can easily adapt it to any custom feed Feb 18 16:27:30 Thanks cryptk Feb 18 16:27:36 np man Feb 18 16:32:10 thatdude: don't edit the existing .conf, make a copy with a different name. Feb 18 16:32:33 thatdude: I believe ipkgservice checks the default feed for corruption and resets it Feb 18 16:32:51 thatdude: and while you're there, test my gsmwav plugin Feb 18 16:33:31 zsoc: Long time no see, thanks for your concern. That was my plan to begin with :) Feb 18 16:33:51 thatdude: :) Feb 18 16:39:32 zsoc: as far as I know that is how the testing feed says to do it Feb 18 16:39:48 yep, just looked Feb 18 16:43:20 cryptk: Worked the way it was documented. Feb 18 16:56:31 rwhitby: re: donate... what about something like vuze does. first use popup a thing that asks if they want to donate. have ability to put in amount etc... then with options of remind in 1 month... or no never ask again. save answer somewhere Feb 18 17:04:53 egaudet-wirc: ++ Feb 18 17:11:56 wow... talk about connection problems... Feb 18 18:03:48 so for the first time, I am going to attempt to make a Palm Pre app... Feb 18 18:04:05 my goal is a GUI frontend for Upstart Feb 18 18:04:25 show all services, their current status, and the ability to stop/start and restart Feb 18 18:08:56 perfect it's something I think we need Feb 18 18:09:31 egaudet-wirc: I got the idea here http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/220326-lighty-web-server-lighttpd-your-pre.html#post2169273 Feb 18 18:09:39 from rwhitby Feb 18 18:09:55 only thing is I have never written a mojo app before Feb 18 18:10:09 I know html/css/javascript but working with mojo is compeltely new to me Feb 18 18:11:14 I am also thining if there should be certain 'protected' services... perhaps only show them if you choose a preference or something Feb 18 18:11:26 thinks like the luna service and such Feb 18 18:11:49 cryptk: make one for kernel modules too :D Feb 18 18:11:52 I've been wanting one ever since wirc development I need to flush the wircd service at times it would get stuck. mojo isn't bad read some dev.palm api stuff for a high level overview. Feb 18 18:12:08 I am on developer.palm.com now Feb 18 18:12:25 zsoc: I would think it would be fairly easy to adapt to kernel modules Feb 18 18:12:39 zsoc: perhaps even have it be the same app with two scenes Feb 18 18:12:52 but that would throw out my working title, lol 'Service Manager' Feb 18 18:12:56 cryptk: yra a big huge warning if stopping lunasysmgr :p cuz then you need terminal or reboot Feb 18 18:14:00 egaudet: exactly, I was thinking hide certain ones by default, then a preference to show them... and even then a giant warning if you choose to stop it Feb 18 18:17:37 actually I'd say don't allow stopping thegui from the gui at all. restart fine but not stop Feb 18 18:18:09 egaudet: good idea Feb 18 18:18:23 and even then maybe a warning Feb 18 18:18:57 always bugged me that the Luna Manager app doesn't have a confirmation for anything... I have accidentally tapped restart luna when all I wanted was to restart Java Feb 18 18:21:41 When I run EFV I get an error saying that two of the patches I installed via WOSQI are AUPT-2 and I think this is a sort of residue that wasn't properly cleaned off because even if I run EFV after I uninstall the patches and restart the phone I still get those errors. Any help? Feb 18 18:22:27 hckyplayer024: that is the bug in AUPT2 that was fixed in AUPT3, they don't uninstall properly Feb 18 18:22:43 try reinstalling the patches, they will be isntalled with the aupt-3 scripts Feb 18 18:22:48 then re-run EFV Feb 18 18:22:56 that is what I did and it fixed them Feb 18 18:23:16 well I mean for one of them says AUPT-1 and AUPT-2 Feb 18 18:23:25 as if there are two versions of the patch installed Feb 18 18:23:40 hrm... Feb 18 18:23:45 egaudet-wirc: you there? Feb 18 18:24:00 I don't know much at all about AUPT, but lets see if we can get someone that does Feb 18 18:24:36 driving. hold Feb 18 18:24:41 ok Feb 18 18:24:58 is WOSQI capable of AUPT-3 at version 3.0.1 Feb 18 18:25:03 yes Feb 18 18:25:23 it pulls the scripts from webosinternals to install patches, so when there is a change QI uses it automagically Feb 18 18:25:31 at least that is how Jason explained it to me Feb 18 18:25:35 okay Feb 18 18:25:56 so I am currently uninstalling the two patches I am having problems with via WOSQI Feb 18 18:25:58 that is why there was no update needed to QI for the change from AUPT 1 to 2, or again from 2 to 3 Feb 18 18:26:14 yeah, uninstall them via QI, then try reinstalling them Feb 18 18:26:20 then re-run EFV and see what it says Feb 18 18:27:02 okay they uninstalled fine and doing a Luna Restart now Feb 18 18:27:19 cool Feb 18 18:30:05 yeah Feb 18 18:30:13 yeah??? Feb 18 18:30:21 even after uninstalling them they still show up Feb 18 18:30:35 yeah, but I meant to uninstall them, then re-install them Feb 18 18:30:42 that should upgrade them to AUPT-3 Feb 18 18:30:49 then if you remove them they will actually remove Feb 18 18:31:00 but I've already reinstalled them Feb 18 18:31:06 but if you re-install them and re-run EFV they should hopefully show as being good Feb 18 18:31:09 ahh Feb 18 18:31:11 hrm... Feb 18 18:31:12 so technically they should be AUPT-3 and removed them Feb 18 18:31:20 odd... Feb 18 18:31:28