**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 20 02:59:57 2010 Feb 20 03:02:11 Quick question, I was having errors with EFV so I decided to epr and delete the .webosinternals.patches.package file and now I have no errors with EFV and no patches installed but the patches that I had installed still show as if they are installed in preware Feb 20 03:02:43 that is because they are installed to /media/cryptofs Feb 20 03:02:51 the /media partition is not erased by the doctor Feb 20 03:03:22 I think ESE will re-apply them, else you can do a partial erase to get rid of them (or delete them one by one) Feb 20 03:03:31 be warned a partial erase will remove ALL apps Feb 20 03:03:36 you can probably do EPR also Feb 20 03:03:42 I would try EPR first Feb 20 03:03:55 I already did EPR Feb 20 03:04:00 wait... you said you did EPR... Feb 20 03:04:08 did you let it run all the way through on it's own? Feb 20 03:04:11 yeah Feb 20 03:04:21 I know some people think it is hung up and they close preware... Feb 20 03:04:22 hrm... Feb 20 03:04:33 no it ran and said package installed Feb 20 03:05:00 well, the easiest way would be a partial erase, that will remove all installed apps though Feb 20 03:05:13 what you can do is run a backup manually Feb 20 03:05:19 then turn off backup Feb 20 03:05:22 do a partial erase Feb 20 03:05:28 do a doctor Feb 20 03:05:42 then it will reinstall all the official apps you had before from the catalog Feb 20 03:05:48 then make sure backup is abck on Feb 20 03:05:56 but there has to be a better way Feb 20 03:06:04 have you tried just removing them through preware? Feb 20 03:06:10 or through WOSQI? Feb 20 03:06:19 I am pretty sure QI will get rid of them Feb 20 03:06:48 if I remove the files from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Feb 20 03:06:51 will that work? Feb 20 03:06:57 it should Feb 20 03:07:03 that is the same thing QI would do Feb 20 03:07:13 it would be easier to just use QI though Feb 20 03:07:26 okay so I'll do that Feb 20 03:07:32 give me a second and ill get back to you Feb 20 03:07:39 QI may yell about the remove script failing (since it can't remove a patch that isn't applied) Feb 20 03:07:55 but it will remove it from cryptofs after that Feb 20 03:08:53 okay ill get back to you in a second Feb 20 03:11:28 did you remove the packages file before running EPR Feb 20 03:11:32 because EPR needs that file Feb 20 03:11:47 I don't remember what order I did it in Feb 20 03:11:49 and you shouldn't generally doing things manually like that Feb 20 03:12:00 but it makes sense that thats what happened Feb 20 03:12:07 but if EFV succeeds and you have packages file just command line remove all the patches Feb 20 03:12:14 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* Feb 20 03:12:30 s/have packages/have no packages/ Feb 20 03:14:12 wth? pinging the pre is giving me Host is down like every other packet Feb 20 03:14:49 oh that's interesting. Feb 20 03:15:13 in card view (expanded to see mulitple cards) it looks like it bounces up and down Feb 20 03:15:21 once you focus on a card, it's fine Feb 20 03:16:13 jhojho: looks like what bounces up and down? Feb 20 03:20:37 that's what she said Feb 20 03:20:58 tsk tsk zsoc Feb 20 03:20:58 cryptk: pings Feb 20 03:21:17 jhojho, :( Feb 20 03:21:19 I was getting host is down like every other ping and not able to ssh into the pre Feb 20 03:24:37 anyone here have dropbear + sftpd installed? Feb 20 03:24:48 why would terminal affect ping? Feb 20 03:28:33 anyway, I gotta get some sleep... ttyl everyone... Feb 20 03:54:47 ~crickets Feb 20 03:54:48 * infobot chirps uninterestedly Feb 20 04:07:43 http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1266636989965.png Feb 20 04:14:35 does anyone else have a /media/cryptofs/app directory? looks like it's leftover from a bad script somewhere (instead of /apps but wanted to double check) Feb 20 04:15:46 or a typo on the command line Feb 20 04:15:49 what's in it? Feb 20 04:18:37 bunch of empty directories http://webos.pastebin.com/d2c66a132 Feb 20 04:21:53 Why is fishfillet data 107M? Feb 20 04:22:49 hmm Feb 20 04:23:19 jacques_pre, hows things going over there? Feb 20 04:26:10 did talk a few minutes ago Feb 20 04:26:49 did.. a talk? Feb 20 04:28:58 jacques_pre I know I didn't get the flyer to tom in time, Can you or he print off some tonight? Feb 20 04:29:13 a lightning talk - 20 slides in five minutes Feb 20 04:29:43 rboatright: tom has the flyer now? Feb 20 04:29:52 I emailed it Feb 20 04:29:56 it's in his in-box Feb 20 04:30:04 jacques_pre: how did it go? Feb 20 04:30:07 or I can put it in YOUR in box Feb 20 04:30:27 we should be able to print them before the expo starts tomorrow Feb 20 04:30:34 k Feb 20 04:30:41 jhojho: that list of dirs is what happens when you made a typo on the ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/app(s) command line Feb 20 04:31:08 hmm. I dont remember doing that but okay. Feb 20 04:31:20 rwhitby: went well, but time ended and I forgot to mention the giveaways Feb 20 04:31:27 ooops Feb 20 04:31:36 was there a SLIDE for the givaways? Feb 20 04:32:20 no, as when I had to submit the slides we didn't know for sure Feb 20 04:32:34 bummer Feb 20 04:32:55 submitted them wed night Feb 20 04:33:14 k Feb 20 04:33:19 well, off to bed. Feb 20 04:33:30 you want me to send you the flyer too? or is tom's email good enough? Feb 20 04:33:37 there's not a ton of ppl here at the upscale talks - most ppl are at dinner Feb 20 04:34:45 this is more of an optional late event Feb 20 04:34:56 k off to bed. Feb 20 04:34:59 have a good night all Feb 20 04:35:32 rwhitby: here's a different question. do you still have pdfviewer in your /var/usr/palm/applications? Feb 20 04:39:44 jhojho: that depends if you used the related patch or not Feb 20 04:39:54 there's theads on that on precentral Feb 20 04:40:04 rwhitby: what patch? Feb 20 04:40:14 I've never patched pdfviewer Feb 20 04:40:17 the one that depended on the pdfviewer Feb 20 04:40:43 * rwhitby bbl Feb 20 05:24:16 hey has anyone else noticed something odd with preware recently?? Feb 20 05:25:08 All of a sudden, it thinks over 30 apps have updates, yet none of them install. Feb 20 05:25:56 Additionally, there have been no new apps for the last couple days. Is it just me? Feb 20 05:26:13 newp Feb 20 05:26:17 not seen that Feb 20 05:29:23 So you've seen new apps on Preware added in the last 48 hours? Feb 20 05:32:28 Yeah, just forced it to update everything is still fine for me Feb 20 05:32:38 Me too Feb 20 05:42:08 I have it configured to update the feeds automatically on startup; updating manually right now though... Feb 20 05:43:24 THAT DID IT! THANKS SO MUCH ! Feb 20 05:44:00 Still thinks I have 34 package updates for some odd reason Feb 20 05:49:21 what kind of packages are they? Feb 20 05:56:06 http://twitpic.com/149ihj <- I reckon the banner looks great! Feb 20 05:56:32 it's nice Feb 20 05:56:36 who's the blurry guy? lol Feb 20 05:57:17 They're mostly patches (Virtual Keyboard, 15pt Font Size, etc.) Feb 20 05:57:21 That's jacques_pre - I chose the blurry photo to protect his identity, just in case :-) Feb 20 06:01:11 ruh-roh. what's me? :-) Feb 20 06:01:57 the banner does indeed look great Feb 20 06:02:09 hm, this is a mess. libsndfile doesn't build, and an efl package deps on it. who moved all this stuff to packages anyway? :p Feb 20 06:02:14 ok, i'll poke at it tommorow. later all Feb 20 06:03:34 I didn't even know he took one then. I was getting books from under the table Feb 20 06:03:55 jacques_pre: how many books went at the talk? Feb 20 06:04:07 (did anyone mention the tweet?) Feb 20 06:04:57 jacques_pre: I was going to use the posed picture of you, but didn't know whether you would be comfortable with that in a tweet to 1800 followers ... Feb 20 06:05:06 nobody mentioned the tweet. the talks were bang bang bang, then everyone (else) went to the bar Feb 20 06:07:26 rwhitby: I can't think of a problem with it. my pic is on the nslu2 gallery many times Feb 20 06:08:32 I brought a real camera with me to take better pictures tomorrow Feb 20 06:09:10 we are working on getting the flyer printed right now Feb 20 06:09:28 awesome Feb 20 06:10:02 expo opens at 10:30 tomorrow IIRC Feb 20 06:11:37 got one demo pre upgraded (came with 1.1.0) going to do the rest later Feb 20 06:12:13 and need to install preware - what's current recommended method? Feb 20 06:12:21 jacques_pre: boostrap script Feb 20 06:12:33 got a computer with novaterm ? Feb 20 06:12:39 OK Feb 20 06:13:08 there are no alpha versions that the moment Feb 20 06:13:12 yep, my tablet Feb 20 06:13:54 make sure they've migrated everything after the upgrade Feb 20 06:14:21 (/var/usr/palm/applications should be empty) Feb 20 06:14:33 then install openssh sftp server from optware section :-) Feb 20 06:15:07 drop some keys in, and then you can remotely start quake on the demo units using upstart Feb 20 06:15:55 rwhitby: if phone was stock before upgrade, was there anything to migrate? Feb 20 06:16:07 jacques_pre: just palm apps, so should go fine Feb 20 06:16:24 * rwhitby bbl Feb 20 06:16:32 `k Feb 20 06:17:18 PEACE Feb 20 07:03:34 so has anyone looked at how the android guys are overclocking the moto droid? Feb 20 08:32:48 is there anyway to execute a process direct from mojo atm? Feb 20 10:52:14 anybody up? i tried setting up scratchbox2 like it is explained in the wiki, but it won't work, meaning i get "Cannot run C compiled programms" when trying to sb2-init Feb 20 18:25:51 How are the festivities at SCALE? Feb 20 18:27:23 this morning I woke up with my Pre not charging. Had to reboot it to get it working again. Java and Luna restarts didn't work, required full reboot. Second time it's happened to me. I wonder what's causing it. Feb 20 18:33:23 Kyusaku: I had that issue a few times... fixed after a doctor and 135 Feb 20 18:33:38 Kyusaku: does it show charging but is just draining? Feb 20 18:33:50 yep Feb 20 18:34:22 I might wait til 1.4.0 til I doctor again Feb 20 18:34:52 but my 1.3.5.1 is from a doctor, not OTA update Feb 20 18:35:33 have you had a to reset your phone a lot by pulling the battery out? Feb 20 18:35:41 nope Feb 20 18:35:53 just once Feb 20 18:36:01 using anything weird like smart reflex? Feb 20 18:36:10 Kyusaku: using a standard 1amp microusb charger? Feb 20 18:36:11 nope Feb 20 18:36:29 zsoc: stock Palm USB cable and touchstone Feb 20 18:36:42 with Palm AC charger Feb 20 18:39:28 Kyusaku: nodoze? Feb 20 18:39:40 didn't start experiencing this kind of issue til I got touchstones Feb 20 18:39:51 nope nodoze not installed or ever installed Feb 20 18:42:31 Kyusaku: you could poll dbus and see if anything is dancing around.. like repeated email check failure or data retrys Feb 20 18:42:48 Guest83555: hello scale guest :p Feb 20 18:43:25 zsoc: thanks I'll keep it in mind next time it happens Feb 20 19:08:54 fina-:1%!!5-lly Feb 20 19:09:22 scale internet connection is unusable right now Feb 20 19:09:52 I am told after the keynote streaming is over it will be better Feb 20 19:10:31 How are the festivities at SCALE? Feb 20 19:11:27 it does make it difficult to read the wiki tho Feb 20 19:12:00 Kyusaku: fine so far Feb 20 19:18:07 OK I think the keynote is over Feb 20 19:18:18 internet connection is much better now Feb 20 19:38:32 heyho Feb 20 19:38:54 geist: are you available? Feb 20 19:42:58 How's LinuxExpo going? Feb 20 19:46:12 morphis: hey radio magik guy Feb 20 19:47:18 hey zsoc Feb 20 19:47:30 radio magic guy ... great title :) Feb 20 19:47:50 ~morphis Feb 20 19:48:07 infobot: morphis is the radio magic guy Feb 20 19:48:08 okay, zsoc Feb 20 19:48:11 :D Feb 20 19:50:29 interesting, who sets this title for me? Feb 20 19:54:11 Radio magic? Feb 20 19:54:26 jep :) Feb 20 19:54:52 No, I was wondering why? Feb 20 19:55:08 ah ok :) Feb 20 19:55:29 I am the one who has done all the reverse engineering on the modem protocol used on the palm pre Feb 20 19:55:44 Nice. Feb 20 19:56:22 :) Feb 20 19:56:56 cool, starting to get more ppl coming by the booth Feb 20 19:57:04 lots of ppl impressed by the phones Feb 20 19:57:26 ppl? Feb 20 19:58:35 I've never RE, but I did used to write firmware for Conexant chipset DSL modems. I worked for a manufacturer. I hated that job. Feb 20 19:58:54 ppl = people Feb 20 19:59:14 ah ok Feb 20 19:59:23 :) Feb 20 20:00:02 They should be, especially since it's a sausage fest. Feb 20 20:03:28 I'm willing to wager that over 80 percent of the attendees know what Bazinga is hehhehe. Feb 20 20:04:03 hehe Feb 20 20:04:30 btw. Palm did a great job in leaving all the debug stuff in there releases Feb 20 20:05:09 I love Big Bang Theory. Feb 20 20:07:00 They must have faith in the speed of the processor to leave that stuff in. I've nevee left that stuff in for my production firmware. Then again, I was always working with small memory footprints. Feb 20 20:11:37 it's disabled as long as you enable it Feb 20 20:11:56 so it does not act as a speed stopper Feb 20 20:12:19 production code always run without the debug stuff Feb 20 20:12:36 just have to tell the kernel components to be verbose in kernel log Feb 20 20:13:39 even the debug log message in the assemblies are great Feb 20 20:14:01 without them we would be far away from talking with the modem as we can now Feb 20 20:27:17 I have doubts about the preware bootstrap script run on the pixi Feb 20 20:27:54 it worked fine on a pre but on the pixi preware complains about the package manager service not running Feb 20 20:29:15 jacques: afaik it's supposed to work Feb 20 20:29:30 unless it installs the v7 service by accident Feb 20 20:32:33 zsoc, how can I troubleshoot it? Feb 20 20:32:47 oh dud I just realized what you meant Feb 20 20:32:54 s/dud/duh/ Feb 20 20:32:54 jacques meant: oh duh I just realized what you meant Feb 20 20:33:24 that's the only thing I can guess is happening. I've never looked at the bootstrap to verify arch compatibility Feb 20 20:33:40 zsoc, OK I will take a look and update here Feb 20 20:33:48 installing preware on the second pre now Feb 20 20:34:32 zsoc, I have a log of the script output Feb 20 20:34:54 jacques: I'll take a look at it Feb 20 20:35:03 http://webos.pastebin.com/m12c1b85a Feb 20 20:35:04 jacques: I would look at it but I'm on wirc Feb 20 20:35:22 it looks somewhat different from the pre install - will paste one of those too Feb 20 20:35:30 jacques: looks good - there is a /tmp/*.log file too Feb 20 20:36:02 pre install: http://webos.pastebin.com/m4182386c Feb 20 20:36:23 rwhitby, I will have to hook the pixi back up to USB to get that - give me a few Feb 20 20:36:43 jacques: looks like it didn't make the rootfs r/w Feb 20 20:36:56 second pre install also worked fine Feb 20 20:37:40 jacques: what's uname -m on the pixi ? Feb 20 20:37:46 I think there's a bug Feb 20 20:38:41 checking Feb 20 20:39:00 armv6l Feb 20 20:39:04 jacques: download the script again and run on pixi, bug fixed. Feb 20 20:39:18 `k, doing Feb 20 20:40:20 select reinstall for ipkgservice Feb 20 20:41:42 rwhitby, that seems to have worked Feb 20 20:42:02 it was checking arm6l instead of armv6l Feb 20 20:42:24 other issues - one of the pres has now gone nonresponsive twice in about three hours Feb 20 20:42:44 a palm kernel guy came by the booth and wants me to email hom the logs Feb 20 20:42:59 jacques: check /var/log/messages for respawn storms Feb 20 20:43:09 on the non-responsive pre ? Feb 20 20:43:13 yep Feb 20 20:43:25 did it still have ssh access? Feb 20 20:45:14 jacques: any photos of the booth with a crowd? Feb 20 20:48:46 if someone had been here in the last 1.5 hours they would have seen many ppl at the booth, but I cannot take the pics myself when I'm talking to the people Feb 20 20:49:50 given away many books? Feb 20 20:50:14 a few to really interested developer types Feb 20 20:52:33 OK Ron now has my camera, maybe some more crowds will show up Feb 20 20:53:22 I am having hardware-type issues Feb 20 20:53:51 on pre keeps going non-responsive, one pixi seems to have really weak evdo reception, and the other pixi refuses to activate Feb 20 20:54:30 for example, the pixi I installed preware on is still trying to download the palm catalog feed Feb 20 20:54:38 but the EV isn't white Feb 20 20:55:44 I think many are experiencing feed download issues Feb 20 20:56:42 zsoc: where does that evidence come from? Feb 20 20:56:48 this same pixi took about three hours to download the OS update because it kept erroring out Feb 20 20:57:33 jacques: I'd expect that's network related at the conference Feb 20 20:57:51 jacques: you'll want to get a good feed load, and then set it to manual update Feb 20 20:58:25 jacques: just set preware to manual update, and then go in on the command line and ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update so you can see what's happening Feb 20 20:58:40 then don't update again for the conference duration Feb 20 21:02:02 rwhitby: maybe it was too broad of a statement. I've heard many reports of issues hanging on feed update, evdo and wifi, around this area Feb 20 21:02:35 zsoc: oh, yeah, people with bad network connections will always get hangs Feb 20 21:06:48 rwhitby: well it's odd because in these situations command line update works. but I'll try to dig into the compliaints. I'm sure it's user error Feb 20 21:21:01 unfortunately I am by myself again - otherwise I would walk to a better coverage area and try it Feb 20 21:21:34 OK I am novaterm'd into the problem pre - it's just showing palm (not pulsing) on the screen, but novaterm workd Feb 20 21:23:16 trying pixi again - this time it's hanging on palm-catalog-updates feed (th oI have seen it hang on several) Feb 20 21:23:47 rwhitby, what should I look at on the pre (stuck on palm) Feb 20 21:32:10 jacques: /var/log/messages for a start Feb 20 22:00:14 sorry, lots of ppl coming by the booth Feb 20 22:00:50 lots of genuine interest Feb 20 22:01:23 lots of "wow!" responses to hearing how cool palm is with our development work Feb 20 22:01:44 most know the iphone and android devel communities Feb 20 22:03:59 finally getting a minute to look at /var/log/messages on the pre Feb 20 22:23:26 jacques: yeah, I expect the response to Palm's acceptance and support of homebrew would be the most pronounced reponse there. Feb 20 22:29:38 hmm, where are you? Feb 20 22:29:53 geist: SCALE 8x Feb 20 22:30:00 ah Feb 20 22:30:20 aww shoulda gone. i've been there a few times for my haiku buddies Feb 20 22:30:24 dont think they have a booth this time though Feb 20 22:30:30 http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ - booth #59 - http://twitpic.com/149ihj Feb 20 22:31:07 (trying to get a better shot of the booth today now that it has been set up) Feb 20 22:36:12 sorry, ppl kep coming up to the booth and expecting me to talk to them :-) Feb 20 22:36:59 hmm. I wonder if I will ever get relieved Feb 20 22:37:14 2:37pm, haven't eaten Feb 20 22:37:20 nor had my coffee Feb 20 22:37:29 jacques, with i could be there to help mate :( i feel your pain Feb 20 22:37:40 just put the laptop there in this channel, i'll talk to people lol Feb 20 22:37:58 i'll find a webcam, skype me in lol Feb 20 22:38:12 I'm just glad I don't need to go to the restroom Feb 20 22:38:23 well that's because you haven't had your coffee lol Feb 20 22:38:30 lol yes Feb 20 22:38:33 who else is there? call mousey and tell him to bring you something :P Feb 20 22:38:49 mousey is running around talking to ppl as usual Feb 20 22:38:56 he is major extrovert Feb 20 22:39:17 really? I couldn't tell by all his ^_^ ^_- u.u o.O etc etc etc Feb 20 22:39:27 as if it wasn't obvious from just chatting with him Feb 20 22:39:29 does he actually make anime character faces? or just in ascii? lol Feb 20 22:42:35 ok, time to fix up the widk Feb 20 22:44:08 cool, mousey is here now Feb 20 22:44:13 he must have heard me Feb 20 22:44:29 going to eat Feb 20 22:45:08 lol have fun Feb 20 22:48:03 rwhitby-pre: hi, have you received the ipkgservice patch? Feb 20 22:48:05 rwhitby, make stage works again in the widk :p Feb 20 22:48:41 debilater: yep, it's in git. Feb 20 22:51:18 rwhitby-pre: ok, so can we do another try with fishfillet (i shortened tha data dirs in the app)? Feb 20 22:52:50 debilater, whatever your widk makefile was doing was full of break, trying to make APP_DIR folders in the host fs, i moved to nonworking Feb 20 22:53:46 debilater: I don't see an update to the build makefile version - did you retag? Feb 20 22:54:53 zsoc: aha so I didn't understand it yet :( Feb 20 22:55:32 debilater, no problems :) i just didn't want to mess with your makefiles without your consent. That, and I really didn't understand what it was trying to do lol. Feb 20 22:56:56 great I'm clueless Feb 20 22:57:52 yay, I get to eat now Feb 20 22:58:01 zsoc: it's still in unreleased Feb 20 22:58:52 debilater, we may be talking about two different things Feb 20 22:59:21 zsoc: lol, I'm talking about the Makefile in build/unreleased/fishfillet/ Feb 20 22:59:40 debilater, and i was talking about cross-compile :) Feb 20 23:00:01 debilater, i don't really mess with the autobuilder except my own stuff (since honestly i still don't understand it well) Feb 20 23:00:02 zsoc: ah ok Feb 20 23:01:09 zsoc: but which target do I have to use when doing a "make install" in the crosscompile makefile? I must make install because this is just oo much stuff to copy manually Feb 20 23:03:26 debilater, line's 53 to 57 is the issue Feb 20 23:03:54 rwhitby: I didn't do anything to the build makefile, I modified the app repository (in fact moved shared/games/fillets-ng/ to data/) Feb 20 23:04:52 debilater, i'm unsure why you have both a build/%.built: and a build/.built: Feb 20 23:06:21 zsoc: because the game data is about 100megs, I wanted to separate it Feb 20 23:06:28 debilater, i see Feb 20 23:07:16 zsoc: what I don't understand: the ${SB2} make install command installs to the host fs too (in line 50) Feb 20 23:07:31 debilater, cross-compile.git doesn't actually link to anything else at the moment.. so nothing needs to be there that isn't necessary to compile for arm Feb 20 23:07:50 debilater, no line 50 works fine, line 54 breaks Feb 20 23:08:24 zsoc: so I could just pull out the gamedata stuff and place it in the app repository then? Feb 20 23:08:51 debilater, correct (assuming the game data is all just pictures and stuff, nothing necessary to compile against) Feb 20 23:09:04 debilater, also that would save first time cross-compile builders from the 100mb download lol Feb 20 23:09:23 "APP_DIR" in general shouldn't be necessary Feb 20 23:09:58 but i'm not 100% sure how this game builds, so i can't say for sure. but pretty much you'll just building binaries with the widk makefile Feb 20 23:10:28 zsoc: yes I see, thanks :) Feb 20 23:12:44 debilater: you need to add a new tag version to the source repo and the update the build makefile to refer to that new version. Feb 20 23:13:58 zsoc: ok, I pulled the gamedata stuff out now Feb 20 23:14:41 rwhitby-pre: ok, is there support for such version numbers: 0.9.2-1 ? Feb 20 23:15:09 yes Feb 20 23:15:14 ok Feb 20 23:15:38 or 0.9.2.1, either works with Preware Feb 20 23:17:49 rwhitby-pre: ok, done Feb 20 23:22:43 rwhitby-pre: so, how is it at scale? are there webos talks too? Feb 20 23:22:57 there was one Feb 20 23:23:17 I am not there myself. Feb 20 23:24:23 too far away? Feb 20 23:25:24 debilater, can't wait to play with fishfillet btw :) let me know when it's packaged up Feb 20 23:25:28 debilater: I'm in .au Feb 20 23:25:34 quite far away Feb 20 23:26:57 zsoc: actually you can, I build a package manually: http://www.daemon.de/idisk/palmpre/org.webosinternals.fishfillets-0.9.2-arm7.ipk Feb 20 23:27:15 rwhitby: yes I know Feb 20 23:28:04 i'll check it out :) Feb 20 23:31:15 rwhitby: I've got more luck, the next ccc event will be right here where I live :) Feb 20 23:33:22 oh and the next sigint will be some 500 km away :) Feb 21 00:16:11 with all the crap that ubuntu ships with... no vim. really? Feb 21 00:16:18 lol Feb 21 00:20:13 zsoc: some joke of an emacs user @ubuntu :) Feb 21 00:20:41 debilater, prolly lol Feb 21 00:26:09 zsoc: damn, no emacs on palm pre ;) Feb 21 00:28:57 ok going to bed... Feb 21 00:30:45 emacs is in optware ... Feb 21 00:31:56 jacques: the thing to do would have been to set up an access point and a web server with feed mirrors Feb 21 00:32:15 (on your tablet) Feb 21 00:40:30 rwhitby, on the pre I prefer zile Feb 21 00:41:00 destinal, unfortunately they have a rule about not setting up wireless access points here during the conference Feb 21 00:41:37 OK I got some great pics of lots of ppl at the booth, while mousey and christefano (sp?) were here Feb 21 00:43:18 excellent, can you send me one? Feb 21 00:44:49 only problem is damn white balance under these strange lights Feb 21 00:44:57 sorry was talking Feb 21 00:46:33 let me download them from my camera Feb 21 00:48:20 oh crap Feb 21 00:48:30 this laptop SD slot down't do SDHC Feb 21 00:48:57 my SDHC reader is in my room, and I am alone at booth again Feb 21 00:52:00 epic fail, i was using quick install to install some games, it was in the middle of transfering, my highass got a txt and pulled the pre from the usb cable, now, its stuck on the boot logo, wont load completly, any ideas besides webos doctor? Feb 21 00:52:20 JamesBaud, pull the battery Feb 21 00:52:45 yea, did all that, it really really is stuck on boot screen Feb 21 00:53:03 rebooted about 5 times Feb 21 00:53:51 oh well then, ill stop being lazy and do a doctor Feb 21 01:34:40 it's da rasta mon Feb 21 01:36:08 Real Tennis looks reall sweet Feb 21 01:42:50 trying to send image by POS network here keeps disconnecting me Feb 21 01:48:51 ~~~~ Feb 21 01:48:52 ARGH!!! STOP IT jacques!!! Feb 21 02:01:02 Hi all does anyone that has the Flightview app please private chat me. I am in a big mess right now. Please Feb 21 02:05:19 Anybody?... Feb 21 02:16:01 can anyone help me with a problem: in this thread http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5336 Feb 21 02:23:05 what have I learned from this SCALE so far? the Pixi is actually a pretty cool phone and has some advantages over the Pre Feb 21 02:30:22 jacques: what advantages? Feb 21 02:36:06 good q Feb 21 02:36:13 wasnt the pixi a more strippe-down pre? Feb 21 02:36:21 less pixels... less .. of most things? Feb 21 02:36:31 another soc (pxa?) Feb 21 02:37:15 better keyboard, better sound Feb 21 02:37:52 it feels tiny and light and rigid Feb 21 02:38:25 aah sorry msm for pixi Feb 21 02:38:29 i thnik same as g1 Feb 21 02:38:32 one data point of each - the pixi had a mich better camera for macro Feb 21 02:38:34