**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 21 02:59:57 2010 Feb 21 03:03:02 jacques_pre: who are the two guys behind the desk in the second picture? Feb 21 03:04:15 rwhitby: christefano and mousey Feb 21 03:04:30 Can anyone answer a EFV question? Feb 21 03:05:15 I have a question about the error I got with EFV. Initially the multi-mod patch was causing issues, Egaudet helped me get that worked out finally able to reinstall patch. Decided to run EFV again and got. Feb 21 03:07:13 Detected stock files backed up with prior versions of patch technology: File: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/compose-assistant.js aupt-2, File: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js aupt-2, File: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/stylesheets/launcher.css aupt-2, File: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/models/SystemManagerService. Feb 21 03:07:32 jacques_pre: christefano in the grey shirt? Feb 21 03:07:38 File: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js aupt-2, File: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/views/launcher/launcher-scene.html aupt-2 Feb 21 03:08:26 mjkjr: work out which patch modifies those files, and then reinstall it and then remove it Feb 21 03:09:02 rwhitby: I don't have the images in front of me laptop is in bag. Feb 21 03:09:46 mousey has curly hair and christefano straight Feb 21 03:09:55 jacques_pre: christefano have curly hair or a pony tail? Feb 21 03:10:13 gotcha Feb 21 03:10:27 I was wondering if anyone knew what patch touched these, before reinstalling Multi Mod patch and a couple files EFV only showed 2 errors. Feb 21 03:10:55 mjkjr: probably something to do with screen locking or pin Feb 21 03:11:15 oh, looks like messaging composition too Feb 21 03:15:00 Thanks. It's odd, every patch that has been installed since doctoring has been updated to aupt3, there aren't any patches that were installed at one point and aren't now. Maybe egaudet will chime in on my post in the EFV forum, seems like he knows almost everything. Feb 21 03:16:03 mjkjr: you could also remove all patches, then run webos repair tool on those files Feb 21 03:17:31 mjkjr, that's because he wrote almost everything involving patch handling :D Feb 21 03:17:50 xcomp, ping Feb 21 03:18:05 I've never ran webos repair, I've only doctored. I might look into that if it will keep me from having to install all of my homebrew apps again? Feb 21 03:20:08 is there a good guide on how to update preware? Feb 21 03:20:38 i can't seem to get it up update even after updating the package manager Feb 21 03:27:27 thumbtack_: usually you just use preware to update preware. what's the error you're getting? Feb 21 03:27:49 mjkjr: doctor doesn't remove homebrew apps any more Feb 21 03:30:07 rhwitby: it says "Downloading Feed Information" "This should take less than a couple of minutes even on a slow connection. If it takes longer than that, first check your network connection, then try disabling feeds one at a time until you find which of the feeds are not responding" Feb 21 03:30:20 and if i close it and open it again, i get the same thing Feb 21 03:30:36 if i let it sit for 15 minutes, i get the same error Feb 21 03:30:36 another booth shot: http://twitpic.com/14gg41 Feb 21 03:30:44 suggestions? Feb 21 03:30:59 thumbtack_: "try disabling feeds one at a time until you find which of the feeds are not responding" Feb 21 03:31:07 how do you do that? Feb 21 03:31:27 where do i see a list of feeds? Feb 21 03:31:29 thumbtack_: did you read the splash screen the very first time you ran Preware? Feb 21 03:31:44 yes, but that was ages ago Feb 21 03:31:51 check the menu .... Feb 21 03:32:00 which menu Feb 21 03:32:05 on the phone itself? Feb 21 03:32:13 the Preware menu Feb 21 03:32:22 it won't open Feb 21 03:32:30 it says: "Downloading Feed Information" "This should take less than a couple of minutes even on a slow connection. If it takes longer than that, first check your network connection, then try disabling feeds one at a time until you find which of the feeds are not responding" Feb 21 03:32:45 thumbtack_: the menu will still open - have you tried it? Feb 21 03:32:55 what menu? Feb 21 03:32:57 +rwhitby- I use a doctor that is prior to 1.3.1, I did that because I wanted to make sure it was totally fresh. So newer doctor doesn't remove homebrew apps, then what about patches? If I was to remove all of my patches right now would you recommend running the doctor or repair in my case. Feb 21 03:33:01 it just freezes there Feb 21 03:33:13 with the circle going Feb 21 03:33:18 thumbtack_: are you saying you've never opened the menu on any app on the Pre? Feb 21 03:33:22 the option is to a) close preware b) let it sit Feb 21 03:34:52 thumbtack_: what happens when you tap the word "Preware" at the top left Feb 21 03:35:29 i only have 2 apps that i use: terminal and terminal Feb 21 03:35:45 so i was going to use preware to try some new ones out and now it won't load Feb 21 03:37:28 thumbtack_: have you used a computer before, with programs that have drop-down menus? Feb 21 03:37:39 i am using v0.9.12 Feb 21 03:37:54 but precentral says the newest is .95? Feb 21 03:38:06 how do you update preware itself Feb 21 03:38:41 the first thing you could try is doing what I have already suggested ... Feb 21 03:39:54 i closed the first feed Feb 21 03:40:19 and it loaded up, but it's at 0.9.12, is there a way to update it, also no that was the first time i have ever opened the menu on any app Feb 21 03:40:48 how did this get here i am not good with computer Feb 21 03:41:14 thumbtack_: i recommend just closing the theme feeds, they are unnecessary and seem to slow it down the most IMO Feb 21 03:41:34 ok i did that, is there a way for preware to update itself? Feb 21 03:41:40 zsoc: heh Feb 21 03:42:15 It will tell you if theres an update, but you have to update feeds by using the menu Feb 21 03:43:05 well obviously there is an update if i am 0.9.12 Feb 21 03:43:18 so i need to do something before it updates Feb 21 03:43:40 thumbtack_, try clicking available updates Feb 21 03:43:50 yes, UPDATE FEEDS by using the MENU, i'm sorry. Feb 21 03:44:13 i updated the feeds Feb 21 03:44:16 using the menu Feb 21 03:44:45 there is no "available updates", just "available packages" "installed packages" "list of everything" Feb 21 03:45:13 can someone remind me how to get the sshd on the palm pre to listen for incoming connections on the cellular network? Feb 21 03:46:21 so should i remove preware and install the new preware? Feb 21 03:46:43 since it won't update itself Feb 21 03:46:58 yes Feb 21 03:47:38 what version of preware does your phone say? Feb 21 03:47:45 i am assuming that is the newest version Feb 21 03:48:27 it says on precentral it should update itself Feb 21 03:48:30 but it's not updating Feb 21 03:50:14 is there a support channel Feb 21 03:50:25 i can't get preware to update itself Feb 21 03:51:22 I edited /etc/event.d/mobi.whatever.ssh and made sure there are iptables -INPUT lines for both eth0 and ppp0 Feb 21 03:51:26 I still can't ssh into it Feb 21 03:51:51 maybe your preware isn't auto-updating Feb 21 03:52:18 oh, I see where it says to just remove "-i eth0" Feb 21 03:53:09 is there a good guide on how to update preware? Feb 21 03:54:30 thumbtack_: http://install.preware.org Feb 21 03:54:32 Manually update your feeds to get the update Feb 21 03:55:03 i clicked update feeds but the preware update didn't come Feb 21 03:55:07 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html Feb 21 03:55:14 jacques_pre: 2m30s into http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4874355 is the Pixi giveaway Feb 21 03:55:24 thumbtack_: http://install.preware.org Feb 21 03:56:09 I'm just curious, how many people are using IRC from a PC and how many from a webos phone? I'm condidering installing it on my phone. Feb 21 03:56:49 i use terminal to ssh/irc on the pre--it works like a gem Feb 21 03:58:06 rwhitby: cool, I'll have to check that out when I get to a pc (pre doesn't want to play it) Feb 21 03:59:11 which part of this guide applies to people who already have preware installed, but want to update it Feb 21 03:59:48 thumbtack_: start at the beginning, irrespective of whether you already have it installed or not Feb 21 04:01:13 jacques_pre: does mousey have a twitter handle? Feb 21 04:02:37 rwhitby: I'll be sure to ask him next time I see him. he's running "the weakest geek" right now Feb 21 04:06:56 is the dot+v in the pre chat supposed to work? or does that still not work Feb 21 04:07:17 dot + x , dot +c etc Feb 21 04:08:11 because everytime i try to paste, i have to go to the menu Feb 21 04:09:25 maybe it's not the dot on the phone? Feb 21 04:09:35 some other button + v ? Feb 21 04:11:35 well i went through the install again, set everything to yes except show other types, but it's still at v0.9.12 Feb 21 04:12:00 no package updates available Feb 21 04:12:06 i always set that to yes Feb 21 04:12:35 thumbtack_: make sure you are using WebOS Quick Install 3.01 or later Feb 21 04:12:58 version 3.01 Freeware Feb 21 04:13:17 The latest version of Preware is 0.9.26 and the Package Manager is 0.9.35 Feb 21 04:13:37 If you don't have those, then you didn't follow http://install.preware.org properly Feb 21 04:14:12 i did follow your guide Feb 21 04:14:21 how do i check the package manager version Feb 21 04:15:01 preware version 0.9.12 Feb 21 04:16:03 If you followed the guide, then Preware 0.9.26 would be installed Feb 21 04:16:22 i followed it to a t Feb 21 04:16:30 Use the Device Management page in WebOS Quick Install to remove Preware and the Package Manager Service, and start again. Feb 21 04:16:46 knowing very well your response would be that i didn't follow the guide Feb 21 04:17:01 thumbtack_: since you weren't able to find the menu in Preware, I have my doubts. Feb 21 04:17:35 didn't he say he had terminal installed? just use the bootstrap Feb 21 04:17:39 it's not something i use very often Feb 21 04:17:42 i am right here Feb 21 04:17:54 and no i want to install new apps but first i want preware updated Feb 21 04:17:57 trying again. Feb 21 04:18:09 i was able to get ssh working Feb 21 04:18:11 this should be easy Feb 21 04:18:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware <- last three lines Feb 21 04:19:49 thumbtack_: here's the thing - you came here asking for help. I'm the Preware developer. I asked you some questions. You ignored them. Your behaviour is not conducive to getting help ... Feb 21 04:21:22 what? Feb 21 04:21:25 ok that worked Feb 21 04:21:40 what is my behavior? Feb 21 04:22:17 i also never ignored your questions Feb 21 04:23:05 i wish i could get gstreamer to build again Feb 21 04:23:19 i'm not sure how i did it the first time, or what changes i lost that i didn't push. i don't get it Feb 21 04:23:32 don't ask for help Feb 21 04:24:13 thumbtack_: ok, let's start over, is Preware working now? Feb 21 04:24:35 and are you able to access the menu at the top left now? Feb 21 04:24:38 yes, thank you. Feb 21 04:24:41 all updated Feb 21 04:25:01 except now can you answer the question you ignored earlier Feb 21 04:25:14 about pasting inside a 'chat' Feb 21 04:25:25 it says dot+v but that doesn't work Feb 21 04:25:39 what application are you referring to? Feb 21 04:26:05 (and why do you think that I'm obliged to answer every single one of your questions?) Feb 21 04:26:09 just the text messaging client the phone comes with Feb 21 04:26:21 thumbtack_, gesture+v Feb 21 04:26:30 you might want to try #webos for questions about the stock functionality of the device Feb 21 04:26:44 yeah is gesture the dot on the front? Feb 21 04:26:55 press dot on front + v Feb 21 04:26:57 +rwhitby- thanks for the recommendation earlier, i uninstalled my patches and am running repair now, hope all goes well Feb 21 04:28:17 also preware doesn't have an icon now, but it is updated, so i guess aesthetics are secondary in this case Feb 21 04:28:48 does anyone know of a good solution to use my pre as a mouse control for my pc? is "media remote" any good for this or is there another option? Feb 21 04:29:11 the vlc remote i found awhile back worked well Feb 21 04:29:15 i have a carPc and want to control the mouse on screen with the Pre Feb 21 04:30:08 wpc7, synergy is the only solution i know of for actual mouse control, and to my knowledge it hasn't been ported Feb 21 04:30:49 mjkjr: the way to get a full wipe these days is a full erase followed by the doctor Feb 21 04:33:17 thanks, that's what I normaly would do. I uninstalled all patches and ran repair utility, it said scan complete. I'm going to run EFV without my patches now and see what I come up with. Feb 21 04:34:29 I just confirmed again on my device that when the feeds are downloading you can still access the Preware menu. Is that not the case on your device? Feb 21 04:34:35 thumbtack_: ^^ Feb 21 04:34:45 yeah i am here what's up Feb 21 04:34:54 thumbtack_: I just confirmed again on my device that when the feeds are downloading you can still access the Preware menu. Is that not the case on your device? Feb 21 04:35:01 i am updating my friend's preware now Feb 21 04:35:16 no yes, it works fine Feb 21 04:35:46 Actually, I didn't change the override compatability initially when i ran repair utility so nothing was changed, lol. I'm running repair again with that option changed. Feb 21 04:36:08 thank you again Feb 21 04:36:13 thumbtack_: that was the question that you seemed to ignore before. If the feeds are not downloading, you can use the Manage Feeds menu item to disable stuck feeds. Feb 21 04:36:26 right, i get that now Feb 21 04:36:58 thumbtack_: ok, no worries. Feb 21 04:37:24 i could go for some fish a chips right about now Feb 21 04:37:34 s/a/'n/ Feb 21 04:37:34 zsoc meant: i could go for some fish 'n chips right about now Feb 21 04:38:50 glib-genmarshal --header --prefix=gst_marshal ./gstmarshal.list > gstmarshal.h.tmp Feb 21 04:38:50 glib-genmarshal: error while loading shared libraries: libglib-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Feb 21 04:39:40 lrwxrwxrwx 1 z z 23 2010-02-20 22:15 /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 -> libglib-2.0.so.0.1400.4 Feb 21 04:39:43 What am i missing. Feb 21 04:40:58 zsoc: -rpath-link ? Feb 21 04:41:31 hmm.. that would be an issue in the glib build correct? Feb 21 04:42:03 zsoc: staging/armv7/usr/lib appears as /usr/local/lib in sb2 Feb 21 04:42:14 right, so LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib" Feb 21 04:42:23 so when glib-genmarshal is built, it needs -rpath to find it Feb 21 04:42:38 right. that must be it, thank you Feb 21 04:42:44 and if there are .so's loading other .so's, you need -rpath-link too Feb 21 04:45:11 just for clarification ---everyone here can use the paste function (gesture+v) in the messaging client that comes with the pre? Feb 21 04:45:36 because i can go to the menu and select paste and it works Feb 21 04:48:16 thumbtack_, what firmware are you on? Feb 21 04:49:18 where do i check version? Feb 21 04:49:33 device info Feb 21 04:49:41 palm web02 1.3.5.1 Feb 21 04:50:55 hm Feb 21 04:50:58 yeah that should work Feb 21 04:52:56 i found some literature on the world wide web, it seems quite a few people have this issue Feb 21 04:56:45 yeah i guess no one knows how to use the short cut Feb 21 04:56:57 can you get it to paste with gesture+v? Feb 21 04:59:42 hi all Feb 21 05:00:11 so you're only having a problem pasting in messenger app but not any other app? Feb 21 05:00:49 well it's counter intuitive, you have to hold either side of the button, not the button itself Feb 21 05:01:08 thumbtack_, the button is not a gesture area, it's a button Feb 21 05:01:13 how is that counter intuitive Feb 21 05:01:22 because in the menu it says: BUTTON+V Feb 21 05:01:26 that is how. Feb 21 05:01:34 well the menu is silly Feb 21 05:02:11 the menu doesn't say button+v, it says (())+v Feb 21 05:02:30 which is the wave/ripple effect Feb 21 05:02:31 no it says (.) Feb 21 05:02:35 with the button in the center Feb 21 05:02:44 nah, that's the meta symbol Feb 21 05:02:55 that ((o)) is meta as zsoc stated Feb 21 05:02:56 it's the little circle that lights up when you make a gesture Feb 21 05:03:28 but if you see this just pot down on the menu bar, the first thing you're going to try is button+v Feb 21 05:03:48 thumbtack_, no, the first thing _you're_ going to try is button+v Feb 21 05:03:58 ho ho Feb 21 05:04:00 thumbtack_, if you have a problem with palm documentation, try their forums Feb 21 05:04:22 i assure you no one in here has the access, want, or care to fix that Feb 21 05:04:52 excellent Feb 21 05:05:09 rwhitby, thanks, -rpath for the glib binaries fixed it Feb 21 05:05:17 i have to remember to push that fix this time D: Feb 21 05:05:39 thumbtack_: http://learning.palm.com/splg/webos/ Feb 21 05:06:37 on the new palm with out the button, it wouldn't be an issue Feb 21 05:11:50 thumbtack_, i have already said yes, and it is not in the scope of the discussion of this channel Feb 21 05:12:11 thumbtack_, ha, that's odd, i had that on my clipboard apparently, lol, sorry about that Feb 21 05:12:35 when i don't remember typing things, it's probably time for bed Feb 21 05:12:42 right after i rebuild libxml2.. again Feb 21 05:15:52 hola Feb 21 05:15:56 I need help with an issue I believe may go beyond the javascript. Would this be the correct place for that? Feb 21 05:16:10 xanthinealkaloid, give it a shot Feb 21 05:16:11 well, what is the problem Feb 21 05:16:37 When I use the "close on hangup" patch, my phone app automatically reloads itself after ending the first outgoing call from within the app following a restart. Feb 21 05:17:03 It doesn't do this ever when the first call is initiated from an external source. Any ideas what could be causing this odd behavior? Feb 21 05:17:36 so only if you place a call, then end it, it reboots? Feb 21 05:17:37 xanthinealkaloid, sounds like a telephony java service thing to me Feb 21 05:18:25 System: Host cryptk-l Kernel 2.6.31-19-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - x64 Edition Feb 21 05:18:26 System: Host cryptk-l Kernel 2.6.31-19-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - x64 Edition Feb 21 05:18:31 Graphics: Card nVidia G80 [GeForce 8800 GTX] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1680x1050@50.0hz Feb 21 05:18:31 GLX Renderer GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.0.0 NVIDIA 185.18.36 Direct Rendering Yes Feb 21 05:18:34 oops... Feb 21 05:18:40 wrong buttons, lol Feb 21 05:19:06 * zsoc hax ur systmes Feb 21 05:19:16 you would need a little more info than that Feb 21 05:19:18 Yes...It only happens after I end the first outgoing call. Feb 21 05:19:27 a standard whois would be much more productive Feb 21 05:19:50 no clue TBH... I don't know how that particular patch does it's magic Feb 21 05:20:06 xanthinealkaloid: sounds like a bug in that patch Feb 21 05:20:47 you could try contacting the author of the patch Feb 21 05:23:46 At first I thought it was the patch also, but I tried the patch on my wife's Pre. It didn't "restart" the phone app in this fashion. Feb 21 05:24:22 could be a bug that comes up with a certain combination of patches Feb 21 05:24:30 xanthinealkaloid, uninstall the patch, try to repeat that bug, that will confirm that it's the patch at all to being with. Feb 21 05:25:29 Actually, I just doctored my and installed only this patch...It still did it. Feb 21 05:25:48 rwhitby, after i push the fixes for glib and libxml with the proper rpath, i'm going to move gstremer to packages... just know that it will fail unless someone make clobber && make stage 's their glib and libxml. Feb 21 05:26:05 assuming they already have them built Feb 21 05:26:19 zsoc: yeah, nothing much we can do about that. Feb 21 05:26:28 Unfortunately, I would never be able to see this problem without the patch because normally the phone app doesn't close after an outgoing call. Feb 21 05:27:27 rwhitby, i mean, at this point the widk is little more than a test environment with the exception of future usability and being able to stick it in a README as a built environment for distributed binaries :P Feb 21 05:29:11 here is an odd thing in the upstart manager... Feb 21 05:29:22 I am working on getting it to sort the list, which it does... kinda Feb 21 05:29:53 it is like it is sorting it in two sections... there is a group of 6 or 7 that are sorted alphabetically, followed by all the rest, also sorted Feb 21 05:30:40 the ones that aren't sorted are the same ones that initially show on the screen (without scrolling) Feb 21 05:30:54 rwhitby, with most packages, don't you need a --no-la-files or --disable-la-files to not install .la's? Because glib doesn't seem to be installing them by default... Feb 21 05:31:05 all the oens that aren't on the screen initially are sorted properly, so are the ones that show, but they are sorted separately Feb 21 05:31:19 cryptk, some priority method? or arbitrary? Feb 21 05:31:41 zsoc: dunno Feb 21 05:31:46 kk Feb 21 05:33:26 there isn't any priority method Feb 21 05:33:34 it treats all services equally Feb 21 05:33:40 if that is what you are asking Feb 21 05:33:53 it 'should' just be one big list, properly sorted Feb 21 05:36:02 odd Feb 21 05:36:08 if that is what you were asking Feb 21 05:36:20 rwhitby: how do I get this thing on the git? Feb 21 05:36:51 oil said to talk to you to get a repo made for me Feb 21 05:36:58 cryptk: what's it called? Feb 21 05:37:02 Ugh... why is the iPhone spoof ony available from quick install :/ Feb 21 05:37:05 Upstart Manager Feb 21 05:37:12 Also, hi all. Feb 21 05:37:24 lingfish_, hihi Feb 21 05:37:30 Does anyone have it installed? Is it merely a patch, or is there a GUI to toggle it? Feb 21 05:38:23 heya zsoc Feb 21 05:38:57 cryptk: done. git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/upstartmanager.git Feb 21 05:38:57 I don't want ot have to install WOSQI just for this one, single, hack :/ Feb 21 05:39:12 lingfish: it's a binary patch Feb 21 05:39:24 gah really?!?!? To what, the browser itself? Feb 21 05:39:35 rwhitby: do that from within the folder that has it? Feb 21 05:39:48 I'm tired of TheAge.com.au looking like shit Feb 21 05:40:06 I just tried to do some passthrough PHP User-Agent rewriting, and its a tad mangled. Feb 21 05:40:07 rwhitby, wait, what's wrong with binary patches? I'm going to need one in a day or two... Feb 21 05:40:11 cryptk: no, do that, then copy your files in, then git add, then git commit, then git push Feb 21 05:40:47 cool Feb 21 05:40:48 zsoc: nothing, as long as they are done in a way which is verifiable in source and comprehend OTA updates properly Feb 21 05:41:05 rwhitby, oh, i see Feb 21 05:41:06 *sigh* Feb 21 05:41:26 rwhitby: what does it binary patch, do you know? Feb 21 05:41:41 argh... it doesn't like my rsa key... one sec Feb 21 05:41:42 lingfish: dunno, I haven't looked at it Feb 21 05:42:05 k. Feb 21 05:43:38 I wish Jason's code was git or svn browsable Feb 21 05:44:10 JayCanuck, that was for you, btw ;) Feb 21 05:46:17 lol what? Feb 21 05:47:07 lol Feb 21 05:47:17 lingfish, which code? Feb 21 05:47:32 rwhitby: it keeps on saying permission denied (publickey) Feb 21 05:47:44 I have remake my SSH key for it and that is the only key pair i have Feb 21 05:48:26 cryptk: does ssh -v say that authentication has suceeded ? Feb 21 05:48:38 (you won't be able to get a shell of course) Feb 21 05:49:59 cryptk: what exact URL are you using? Feb 21 05:50:26 I as trying to set it up on the webos.gitorious.org site Feb 21 05:50:33 should it be on the otherone? Feb 21 05:51:13 cryptk: done. git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/upstartmanager.git Feb 21 05:51:44 JayCanuck: the iPhone spoof code. Feb 21 05:51:48 cryptk: oh, you need to send me your ssh key too Feb 21 05:51:59 the pub one? Feb 21 05:52:04 of course :-) Feb 21 05:52:06 JayCanuck: even if its a binary, I wanna see what WOSQI does to install it Feb 21 05:52:22 lingfish, that's not mine. it's clipcarl's and posted on precentral forums publicly Feb 21 05:52:40 JayCanuck: oh, I thought that was your patch Feb 21 05:52:41 it's just a sed user agent replacement Feb 21 05:52:55 so not a binary patch? Feb 21 05:53:00 nope Feb 21 05:53:07 Good, I like this so far. Feb 21 05:53:22 It would be VERY sexy to be able to toggle it inside the browser Feb 21 05:53:34 Or, toggle it at all, sans install/uninstall Feb 21 05:53:36 not not possible Feb 21 05:53:59 restart of the device is required every toggle, as is reseting browser cache Feb 21 05:54:19 you'd need to create a service to handle that then add a patch Feb 21 05:54:40 oh gawd :( Feb 21 05:54:50 Right then, back to my PHP filter mangling version then. Feb 21 05:55:44 cryptk: try now using the git URL I gave you Feb 21 05:55:46 Jason_hates_iPhones++; Feb 21 05:55:59 rwhitby: no go Feb 21 05:56:27 (Jason also being my name :P) Feb 21 05:56:54 cryptk: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/upstartmanager.git ? Feb 21 05:57:10 cryptk: do it now and I'll watch the server log Feb 21 05:57:20 jsut did it Feb 21 05:57:43 again now please Feb 21 05:57:55 did it Feb 21 05:58:08 please cut and paste the command you are using here Feb 21 05:58:25 git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/upstartmanager.git Feb 21 05:58:32 the one you gave me Feb 21 05:58:38 I copied and pasted it from you Feb 21 05:59:14 that's weird, cause I saw nothing on the server Feb 21 05:59:46 wonder if my firewall or router is stopping it... Feb 21 06:00:12 cryptk: try ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org Feb 21 06:00:46 Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Feb 21 06:00:50 Permission denied (publickey). Feb 21 06:01:46 cryptk: something weird happening. server sees my ssh, but not yours Feb 21 06:02:00 I see this in there too Feb 21 06:02:01 debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 277 Feb 21 06:02:19 so I think there is some kind of communication going on Feb 21 06:02:27 can the .webosinternals.patches file be deleted safely and will it recreate itself? Feb 21 06:02:42 why would you need to delete it? Feb 21 06:02:45 cryptk: you're seeing Connecting to git.webos-internals.org [140.211.169.177] ? Feb 21 06:02:55 mjkjr: no and no Feb 21 06:03:07 rwhitby: yes I am seeing it Feb 21 06:03:14 followed by connection established Feb 21 06:03:51 but you don't get to Authentication succeeded (publickey). Feb 21 06:03:54 cryptk and +rwhitby: I'm just curious. Does it constantly update itself then and when does it do so? Feb 21 06:04:09 mjkjr: whenever you install or remove an aupt patch Feb 21 06:04:47 cryptk: dunno what's happening then. Feb 21 06:05:23 +rwhitby: at that exact moment, after restarting? I'm just trying to fully understand the process better. Can I read about it somewhere? Feb 21 06:05:38 rwhitby: check the server log now Feb 21 06:05:43 I think I may have fixed it Feb 21 06:05:54 cryptk: yep Feb 21 06:06:00 ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa Feb 21 06:06:24 I don't think I should have had to do that manually... but whatever Feb 21 06:06:41 * rwhitby bbl Feb 21 06:07:07 hello i need help in regards to preware can someone help me please? Feb 21 06:07:44 what is the question? Feb 21 06:07:57 don't ask to ask a question, just ask it Feb 21 06:08:40 i installed preware on my pre and i tried to install an app but it says install error "phone needs to restart" but even when i restart it still doesn't work Feb 21 06:10:16 what app? Feb 21 06:10:32 was it an app or a patch? Feb 21 06:14:14 any application ....nothing installs Feb 21 06:14:27 i cannot install anything through preware nor filecoaster Feb 21 06:14:38 like games references books nothing Feb 21 06:14:38 Wasn't this an issue most users had a few weeks or months ago? This sounds familiar? Feb 21 06:15:24 ani_: are you sure you installed the latest version? Feb 21 06:15:30 how did you install it? Feb 21 06:15:40 btw, I think I have my work so far on git Feb 21 06:15:56 not too familiar with how git works (only used svn in the past) Feb 21 06:18:38 i installed preware on my computer adn then clicked on it adn it was installed in my phone Feb 21 06:19:00 you cannot install preware on your computer, it is phone only Feb 21 06:19:11 then i clicked on preware the main window opens up on my phone but when i click on a game let's say it says downloading and then it says fail Feb 21 06:19:19 Was it PreBrew you installed on your comp? Feb 21 06:19:20 unless your computer uses an ARM processor and WebOS Feb 21 06:19:21 he's referring to the preware installer Feb 21 06:19:37 yes the preware installer =) Feb 21 06:19:40 ani_: was it the preware installer from preware.org? Feb 21 06:19:51 yes Feb 21 06:19:52 that's how i initially installed preware. now i use webos qi Feb 21 06:20:10 is it the wrong way? Feb 21 06:20:16 no, that should work Feb 21 06:20:31 yeah but when i isntall app it doesn't work Feb 21 06:20:39 in preware, go to the app menu and click on help... what version does it say? Feb 21 06:20:47 preware is in my phone but it doesn't isntall app Feb 21 06:21:03 ani_: You have DevMode on? Feb 21 06:21:03 no, the menu at the top left corner Feb 21 06:21:21 v3ritas: dev mode is not a requirement for preware to work, only to install it Feb 21 06:21:34 0.9.26 Feb 21 06:21:39 hrm... Feb 21 06:21:53 what is the exact error? Feb 21 06:22:03 ok hold on let me type it up Feb 21 06:22:50 I have never heard of preware asking for a phone restart, except for patches Feb 21 06:23:07 in which case it is required for the patch to take effect Feb 21 06:23:35 install failed system adjustments must be made before installation can continue restart required Feb 21 06:23:56 hrm... what version of WebOS are you using? Feb 21 06:24:02 yea but tis is not for a patch it is for an application Feb 21 06:24:08 yeah Feb 21 06:24:17 webos is on my computer Feb 21 06:24:28 no, the WebOS on your phone Feb 21 06:24:39 that is the operating system that runs on teh phone Feb 21 06:24:49 ok here's the thing i don't have any clue about those systems and stuff Feb 21 06:25:08 i just followed up what the download instructinos said on the precentral website Feb 21 06:25:18 is that something that i need to download on my phone Feb 21 06:25:24 or it is already inside it? Feb 21 06:25:31 WebOS is already on it Feb 21 06:25:45 that is what the phone runs, like how a computer can run linux or windows Feb 21 06:25:48 so how do i check what version it is? Feb 21 06:25:50 the phone runs linux and WebOS Feb 21 06:26:11 on the phone go to Device Information Feb 21 06:26:20 in there you will see a line labeled version Feb 21 06:26:24 what does it say? Feb 21 06:26:37 it's Palm webos 1.3.5.1 Feb 21 06:26:50 that is really odd... Feb 21 06:27:11 rwhitby: egaudet: either of you around Feb 21 06:27:25 I have never seen or even heard of that error before Feb 21 06:27:38 lol my filecoaster does the same thing Feb 21 06:27:40 can you install apps from the app catalog? Feb 21 06:27:56 well i can send the app to my computer webos installer and install it Feb 21 06:28:02 but ican't do it through my phone Feb 21 06:28:07 by preware or filecoaster Feb 21 06:28:20 do you have WebOS Quick Install? Feb 21 06:28:29 on my computer yes Feb 21 06:28:42 try using that to remove both preware and the package manager service Feb 21 06:28:51 then reinstall them using Quick Install Feb 21 06:29:06 how do i use quick install to reinstall? Feb 21 06:29:17 you know how to remove them? Feb 21 06:29:19 and i only installed preware no package manager service? Feb 21 06:29:26 ahh Feb 21 06:29:39 if you used the preware installer, it installed both Feb 21 06:29:47 oh ok Feb 21 06:29:58 ok i go to launch and remove the appplications from my phone Feb 21 06:30:01 the service runs in the background, you won't see an icon for it Feb 21 06:30:14 no, remove them with quick install Feb 21 06:30:21 you can't remove the package manager service that way Feb 21 06:31:00 you have the phone connected to your comp and in Dev Mode? Feb 21 06:31:38 yes Feb 21 06:31:46 start up quick install Feb 21 06:31:51 it's started Feb 21 06:31:56 go to tools Feb 21 06:32:00 then device mnagement Feb 21 06:32:17 ok? Feb 21 06:32:22 then check the boxes next to Preware and Package Manager Service Feb 21 06:32:28 then click uninstall Feb 21 06:32:45 once that is ddone close the device management window Feb 21 06:32:53 let me know once that is done Feb 21 06:32:53 ok done Feb 21 06:32:55 cool Feb 21 06:33:04 on the right side click the blue arrow Feb 21 06:33:23 ok? Feb 21 06:33:30 then at the top of that new wondow click the drop-down and choose webos-internals feed (all) Feb 21 06:33:48 find and check the boxes next to preware and package manager service Feb 21 06:34:04 then click download Feb 21 06:34:20 after they finish downloading click the close button at the bottom Feb 21 06:34:30 then click install Feb 21 06:35:19 then re-run preware and try to install something Feb 21 06:35:25 ok i clicked on the blue arrow Feb 21 06:35:46 but under the pre central app gallery i don't find preware and package manager service Feb 21 06:35:50 I typed it all out already, just follow those directions Feb 21 06:36:02 then at the top of that new wondow click the drop-down and choose webos-internals feed (all) Feb 21 06:37:59 ani_: webos internals feed, NOT pre central app gallery Feb 21 06:38:02 ok it's isntalling let me try and see if it will install an application Feb 21 06:38:30 yes thank you that's where i was confused in the beginning Feb 21 06:38:34 so it's installing Feb 21 06:38:45 now let me see if it will install an app Feb 21 06:43:28 no Feb 21 06:43:30 it doesn't work Feb 21 06:43:56 it says install failed resart required system adjustments must be made before installation can continue Feb 21 06:45:19 hrm... Feb 21 06:45:41 I have no clue, you will have to talk to someone who knows more than me about it Feb 21 06:45:45 that error is a new one to me Feb 21 06:45:54 should i take it to store and see what they can do? is it possible that there is something wrong with the phone? Feb 21 06:46:00 no Feb 21 06:46:06 that isn't a phone problem Feb 21 06:46:16 besides, they wouldn't support issues with preware Feb 21 06:46:30 then who should i talk to ? Feb 21 06:46:33 well can you install apps through catalog or is it the same problem Feb 21 06:46:55 *official app catalog Feb 21 06:47:04 the only way i can install is first installing on my computer and through webos install transfer to my phone Feb 21 06:47:12 rwhitby: or egaudet will be able to figure it out... or mjkjr may have some ideas Feb 21 06:47:26 the official app catalog doesn't work either? Feb 21 06:47:50 if you can't install through the official catalog, doctor your phone and take it back Feb 21 06:48:41 mjkjr: no, I have seen issues like this before and rwhitby and egaudet were able to figure it out Feb 21 06:48:43 you mean my app catalog in the phone? Feb 21 06:48:47 yes Feb 21 06:49:00 haven't tried hold on Feb 21 06:50:26 no it doesn't work either Feb 21 06:50:30 cryptk: i just figured if the app catalog didn't work either then it could be a phone issue Feb 21 06:50:45 nah, it isn't a hardware problem Feb 21 06:50:47 so i should take it to the store Feb 21 06:50:50 no Feb 21 06:50:57 just wait for rwhitby or egaudet Feb 21 06:51:17 when will they be here? Feb 21 06:51:36 not sure Feb 21 06:51:37 tomorrow? I don't know where they live but it's 1am my time Feb 21 06:51:43 I can't see them Feb 21 06:52:05 are they on this site regularly or once in a whlie? Feb 21 06:52:22 regularly, and on precentral Feb 21 06:52:51 if i leave a message to them on this site and leave an email would they be able to answer? Feb 21 06:52:56 they are probably the two biggest people involved in webos-internals, they are on alot Feb 21 06:53:11 probably, but getting ahold of them in this IRC channel would be best Feb 21 06:53:19 since it is real-time communication Feb 21 06:53:47 then i ll try back again .......Thank you soooooooooooo much for your time and help ...being a girl and dealing with computer based phones like this Feb 21 06:53:51 is helll for me Feb 21 06:54:29 np, I would try back tomorrow afternoon, one of them will likely be on Feb 21 06:54:34 they are on pretty much every day Feb 21 06:54:39 (workaholics) Feb 21 06:54:51 I am in California and it is 11 at night Feb 21 06:55:00 cryptk: do they do all of this for a job or for the love of webos Feb 21 06:55:06 or both Feb 21 06:55:14 what time will that be cryptk ? Feb 21 06:55:21 no pay if that is what you are asking Feb 21 06:55:37 ani_: not sure, this isn't a job for them so they get on when they want to Feb 21 06:55:45 but you can count on sometime in the afternoon Feb 21 06:55:49 no u said after noon Feb 21 06:55:55 but afternoon in what state? Feb 21 06:56:00 because i live in california? Feb 21 06:56:11 well, I am central time, I see them on in my afternoon all the time Feb 21 06:56:11 Just get on around noon Feb 21 06:56:17 which is 2 hours ahead of you Feb 21 06:56:27 yeah, hop on around 12 or so Feb 21 06:57:04 thank you soooo much sweety i really appreciate it Feb 21 06:57:05 =) Feb 21 06:57:12 you guys all have a great evening =) Feb 21 06:57:23 you too Feb 21 06:57:35 thanx Feb 21 06:59:13 amazing with all they do. do you know a good place to start reading up on learning how to make patches Feb 21 06:59:39 and applications. or is that "hello world" a good start? Feb 21 07:02:20 well, a good start would be learning HTML, CSS and JavaScript Feb 21 07:02:30 most of the apps are writen using those 3 languages Feb 21 07:02:46 www.w3schools.com has some good tutorials for starting out Feb 21 07:03:19 if you learn those then you will be able to learn the MoJo framework next, then you will be good to go for apps and patches Feb 21 07:21:01 dBsooner, you directed me here for assistance with a broken Pre. I don't know if I'm doing this correctly - I've never worked with IRC. Feb 21 07:23:57 yep, your doing it right Feb 21 07:24:16 what is your problem? Feb 21 07:25:23 I posted it to a forum on PreCentral, to which dBsooner responded. I'll see if I can cut and paste from there. Feb 21 07:26:26 just paste a link to the post Feb 21 07:26:33 Ok Feb 21 07:27:49 Please forgive me in advance - I think I fell asleep at the technological wheel while in school for other subjects and feel quite out of my league now. Feb 21 07:28:35 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list-3.html#post2160770 Feb 21 07:28:36 find the permalink link at the top right of the post Feb 21 07:28:39 there ya go Feb 21 07:29:57 hrm... Feb 21 07:30:04 There's more. =( Feb 21 07:30:08 you didn't see preware listed in webos quick install? Feb 21 07:30:29 After posting that, I was able to (apparently) fix things by uninstalling the patches using QI Feb 21 07:30:41 I then went on to re-install most of them Feb 21 07:31:15 I installed a new one which I later wanted to remove, so tonight attempted to do so. And now find myself in a new fix. Feb 21 07:31:36 I was finally able to delete PreWare and never got around to reinstalling it Feb 21 07:31:59 reinstall preware real fast Feb 21 07:32:14 then run the Emergency File Verification Feb 21 07:32:38 Is there any way I can be sure PreWare fully uninstalled last time? Feb 21 07:32:52 if it isn't listed in quick install then it is gone Feb 21 07:33:01 both preware and the service Feb 21 07:34:30 In QI's Device Mgmt screen I see Diffstat and GNU Patch. Neither relate to PreWare, right? Feb 21 07:35:44 yeah Feb 21 07:35:47 neither are preware Feb 21 07:36:01 I'm installing the latest version of Java Feb 21 07:36:39 ok Feb 21 07:38:12 Downloading preware... Feb 21 07:38:46 Sorry, I mean Doctor Feb 21 07:42:20 ok Feb 21 07:46:54 Installing PreWare... Feb 21 07:48:09 "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice is requesting to run a postinst script. Allow?" Feb 21 07:49:24 yes Feb 21 07:49:36 sorry, working on an app while I help you Feb 21 07:50:20 Understandable. I don't imagine people just sit here waiting for people such as myself to come along needing help. =) Feb 21 07:50:55 Ok PreWare is installed Feb 21 07:50:58 hehe Feb 21 07:51:20 ok, launch preware and find Emergency File Verification Feb 21 07:51:26 you can find it in the same place as EPR Feb 21 07:51:30 Launching... Feb 21 07:52:52 I found EPR in QI... I'm not sure where it will be in PreWare but I'll look around when it finishes loading. Feb 21 07:54:24 go into list of everything Feb 21 07:54:28 then just type emergency Feb 21 07:54:47 EFV could take a bit to run Feb 21 07:54:55 Thanks. Wasn't finding it... Feb 21 07:55:26 Ok I want EFV, not Emergency Patch Recovery? Feb 21 07:56:52 yeah, EFV Feb 21 07:56:54 run that Feb 21 07:58:17 Downloading Feb 21 07:59:03 it will take a bit to install Feb 21 07:59:19 Ack. "Linux Application - Error installing: See IPKG Log" Feb 21 07:59:21 afterwards it will either have an error log or it iwll say that it installed Feb 21 07:59:36 yep, click the app menu and click on IPKG log Feb 21 08:00:08 It gave me the option to click "Ok" or "IPKG Log" so I selected the latter Feb 21 08:00:16 What info do you need? Feb 21 08:00:42 any errors (should be in red) Feb 21 08:00:46 just the first one Feb 21 08:01:10 you can just give me the gist of the error instead of the whole thing word for word Feb 21 08:02:22 I don't know that I understand it enough to translate but I'll try. "Line 67: cannot open /media/internal/.webosinternals.patches.packages: no such file" Feb 21 08:03:08 "Detected stock files modified via a method other than supported patch technologies: Feb 21 08:03:34 "File: /etc/udev/mount.blacklist" Feb 21 08:04:51 do you have a terminal app? Feb 21 08:05:09 I don't know what that is. Feb 21 08:05:26 hrm... try running EPR real fast, then re-run EFV if EPR go's through ok Feb 21 08:05:34 if EPR fails, let me know Feb 21 08:05:47 ok Feb 21 08:06:17 No bueno Feb 21 08:06:36 Sorry, EPR failed too. Feb 21 08:07:03 No errors in red in the IPKG log Feb 21 08:07:20 anything indicating why it may have failed Feb 21 08:07:39 "No patches found!" Feb 21 08:08:03 ahh Feb 21 08:08:14 do you know how to use novaterm? Feb 21 08:08:21 Sorry, no. Feb 21 08:08:38 I might be able to learn though. Feb 21 08:09:17 ok, in preware, find an app called terminal Feb 21 08:09:19 and install it Feb 21 08:09:43 ok Feb 21 08:09:58 once that is installed, run it and type in this Feb 21 08:10:06 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed *patches* Feb 21 08:10:09 "Terminal" not "Terminal Service Plugin"? Feb 21 08:10:23 and let me know if it returns anything or if it jsut gives you another prompt Feb 21 08:10:52 terminal Feb 21 08:10:59 but I think it will request to install the other Feb 21 08:11:06 I think it may be a dependency Feb 21 08:11:10 Seems so Feb 21 08:11:15 it will let you know when you go to install terminal Feb 21 08:11:43 btw, in that command it is a - lowercase oh, not a - zero Feb 21 08:12:08 Got it. And I type that in exactly as it appears? Spaces and all? Feb 21 08:12:25 yep Feb 21 08:12:36 exactly like i put it Feb 21 08:12:40 Ok Feb 21 08:13:02 it will either just give you a new prompt on the very next line, or it will list one or more patches, then give a new prompt Feb 21 08:13:18 or in my case it lists about 65 patches, then a new prompt, lol Feb 21 08:14:37 New prompt Feb 21 08:16:01 ok, looks like you have no patches installed Feb 21 08:16:11 are there any patches listed as installed in quick install? Feb 21 08:16:27 Looking... Feb 21 08:16:43 if so, remove them through quick install Feb 21 08:17:24 No patches installed. Apps, yes; patches, no. Feb 21 08:17:53 ok, you know how to use the qwbos repair utility? Feb 21 08:18:04 s/qwbos/webos/ Feb 21 08:18:05 cryptk meant: ok, you know how to use the webos repair utility? Feb 21 08:18:20 not the doctor Feb 21 08:18:30 repair utility made by jason, like quick install Feb 21 08:19:19 I think I might have tried to use it, the first time around, but don't remember. Feb 21 08:19:31 ahh, you know where to get it at? Feb 21 08:19:40 Search for it. =) Feb 21 08:19:57 hang on, I can get you a link Feb 21 08:20:02 Oh I do have it, but not sure it's the latest version Feb 21 08:20:22 http://filebin.ca/eovqe/WebOSRepairUtility.jar Feb 21 08:20:26 that is the latest Feb 21 08:20:45 Got it. Feb 21 08:21:02 put it in the same folder as quick install Feb 21 08:21:11 along with that webos doctor.jar file Feb 21 08:21:16 Should I keep Terminal open? Feb 21 08:21:22 nah, you can close it Feb 21 08:21:25 Yes, I save them all in the same place. Feb 21 08:21:29 you have any themes installed? Feb 21 08:21:36 Nope Feb 21 08:21:39 good Feb 21 08:21:43 (themes are bad) Feb 21 08:21:45 They seem problematic Feb 21 08:21:51 (very very very invasive) Feb 21 08:21:54 they are problematic Feb 21 08:22:15 you have repair utility in the same folder as webos doctor.jar? Feb 21 08:22:21 Yep Feb 21 08:22:26 Just opened it Feb 21 08:22:31 go to options and click override compatibility Feb 21 08:22:48 it will warn about how i wont be compatible with patches/themes/tweaks Feb 21 08:22:52 Yep Feb 21 08:22:59 you don't have any quick install tweaks do you? Feb 21 08:23:29 Not to my knowledge. I tried just tonight, but they didn't seem to work and I attributed it to the patch problem. Feb 21 08:23:44 ok, double check real fast and make sure none of them are checked Feb 21 08:24:04 k Feb 21 08:25:25 When I tried to open Tweaks, it says "Tweaking requires both GNU Patch and Lsdiff installed to function. One or both of these are missing from your device. Would you like to download and install them now?" Feb 21 08:25:39 say yes Feb 21 08:25:50 Ok Feb 21 08:26:23 Ok, no tweaks. Feb 21 08:27:42 ok, in repait utility click the big button Feb 21 08:27:46 sais scan/repair Feb 21 08:27:50 or something like that Feb 21 08:27:54 then wait forever Feb 21 08:28:03 when it finishes, your phone should be good to go Feb 21 08:28:19 you can click options verbose logging if you want to see it working Feb 21 08:28:31 I did this before. Last time. Feb 21 08:28:41 but not with override compatibility on I bet Feb 21 08:28:50 Perhaps not Feb 21 08:42:22 It seems to be stuck on a particular file. It's been scanning it for a LONG time. Feb 21 08:52:40 it should move on eventually Feb 21 08:52:47 it is a bug, jason knows about it Feb 21 08:52:53 some kind of problem with novacom Feb 21 08:53:29 I think it's been on this one file the entire time. Or does it just appear to be? Feb 21 08:54:53 no, it is stuck on it... it should move on eventually Feb 21 08:55:31 Bummer. I really wanted to go to bed soon. Feb 21 08:58:55 let it run while you sleep Feb 21 08:59:23 Yes but what if it still doesn't work after that's finished? Feb 21 09:14:36 then you will have to talk to rwhitby or egaudet Feb 21 09:16:59 Ok Feb 21 09:48:01 cryptk? Are you still there? Feb 21 09:48:19 I am, but not for long... sleeping very soon Feb 21 09:49:11 Yeah, I was on my way. Error msg. Feb 21 09:50:37 It says: "ERROR: MD5 doesn't match. The file 'usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/images/palm-group s" is modified from its original state. Restore original?" Feb 21 09:50:39 hrm... yeah, try and catch egaudet or rwhitby tomorrow Feb 21 09:50:43 oh wait Feb 21 09:50:44 that si good Feb 21 09:50:46 say yes Feb 21 09:50:52 Great! Feb 21 09:50:56 if there is a yes always option do that Feb 21 09:51:06 Yep. Did that. Feb 21 09:51:15 now just let it keep on running until it is done Feb 21 09:51:27 then you should have a completely patch free phone Feb 21 09:52:07 It keeps giving me another error. Error:5 Connection refused: connect Feb 21 09:52:22 does it pick back up after a while? Feb 21 09:52:34 that is the novacom problem i was talking about Feb 21 09:52:45 I clicked ok and it started up again and then that error comes up again. Feb 21 09:52:57 hrm... Feb 21 09:53:04 Over and over... Feb 21 09:53:15 you could always just doctor it... it won't delete any of your apps Feb 21 09:53:36 as long as you are running 1.3.5.1 your apps are safe through the doctor Feb 21 09:53:48 or you could wait for rwhitby or egaudet Feb 21 09:53:51 Yeah, have 1.3.5.1 Feb 21 09:53:54 they will be on sometime tomorrow Feb 21 09:53:56 Heh heh ok Feb 21 09:54:05 yeah, a doctor won't touch your apps or anything Feb 21 09:54:25 and it will pull your contacts down from all the sources you had set up originally Feb 21 09:54:34 like facebook, google, aim, etc Feb 21 09:54:41 it won't save any linking though Feb 21 09:54:52 so you may have to do a little manual linking afterwards Feb 21 09:54:58 Every time I click "ok" it seems to go on to the next file. Feb 21 09:55:07 weird... Feb 21 09:55:11 Couldn't cancelling this cause problems? Feb 21 09:55:17 no Feb 21 09:55:38 as long as it isn't in the middle of replacing a file Feb 21 09:55:59 Ok so if I cancel it when the error message is up it should be fine? Feb 21 09:56:06 yeppers Feb 21 09:56:34 I hate to recommend a doctor, but that is all I have left... it all depends on if you want to wait for someone who knows more than I do Feb 21 09:57:02 (shoulda removed your patches before the update) Feb 21 09:57:41 I thought I had fixed THAT problem. And I meant to. I just hit the button by accident. Learned my lesson. Feb 21 09:58:11 I'll wait for someone in the morning. And I'll try to let the Repair finish. Feb 21 09:58:39 Thanks for all your help! Feb 21 09:58:54 ok, no prob Feb 21 11:25:48 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/231569-call-alpha-testers-720-mhz.html Feb 21 14:19:00 I'm looking for help getting the sshd on my palm pre to accept connections over the cellular network Feb 21 14:20:46 iptables shows we're accepting ssh connections from everywhere Feb 21 14:22:26 I can ssh localhost from the phone so the daemon appears to be live Feb 21 14:24:07 I'd also like to know why sometimes I can use "nano" from the terminal and sometimes I can't Feb 21 14:24:22 it appears to be in /media/cryptofs/apps/opt/bin/nano but it's not in /opt/bin Feb 21 15:31:34 I thought when you doctored your phone you lost everything in your usb partition as well? when did they change that? Feb 21 15:48:59 We need a device menu patch for bluetooth. I never use that damn thing Feb 21 17:34:43 rwhitby or egaudet, cryptk told me to seek your assistance in fixing a Pre that is having patch issues. Feb 21 18:39:22 ... Feb 21 18:39:23 P. O. S. network connection. Feb 21 18:41:58 ~~~~ Feb 21 18:41:59 ARGH!!! STOP IT guest6161!!! Feb 21 19:02:37 anyone wish to help me figure out why I can't ssh into my phone? Feb 21 19:41:16 Forgive me, I am new to IRC and do not know if I am using it properly. However, I am trying to contact dBsooner, egaudet, or rwhitby on recommendation that they might be able to help me with my very ill Pre. Feb 21 19:41:39 Say more about your problem here and maybe someone can help you Feb 21 19:41:50 If any of them are here and are awake/watching, they may help you Feb 21 19:42:46 The description of my first problem can be found at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list-3.html#post2162198 Feb 21 19:43:23 I *thought* I had resolved that one, but now I seem to have a new patch-related problem. Feb 21 19:43:54 Okay, tell me about your patch-related problem Feb 21 19:44:16 (I don't know if I can help you until I know what your problem is ...) Feb 21 19:46:03 I'm going to cut and paste what I told cryptk last night: Feb 21 19:46:08 [23:30] After posting that, I was able to (apparently) fix things by uninstalling the patches using QI [23:30] I then went on to re-install most of them [23:31] I installed a new one which I later wanted to remove, so tonight attempted to do so. And now find myself in a new fix. [23:31] I was finally able to delete PreWare and never got around to reinstalling it Feb 21 19:46:47 I wanted to delete just one patch, but accidentally hit EPR in QI and that seemed to remove them all. Feb 21 19:46:59 But when I tried to reinstall them, I rec'd error msgs. Feb 21 19:47:08 So cryptk told me to run EFV. Feb 21 19:47:52 It couldn't finish. So he told me to run EPR, which showed no patches on my phone. Feb 21 19:48:03 I'm curious what was the "new one" patch that you installed? Feb 21 19:48:25 The 3000 Google words for autocorrect Feb 21 19:48:55 It changes words that are not incorrect so it was terribly annoying. Feb 21 19:50:50 After attempting EFV and EPR, s/he told me to try webOS repair utility. Feb 21 19:51:47 That program has been unable to finish. Last night it became stuck on one file for approx. 1 hr, then gave me a connection error msg after scanning every file. Feb 21 19:52:08 I finally stopped it and tried to run it again. Now it is stuck on a different file and has remained so for approx. 2.5 hours. Feb 21 19:52:46 ~seen egaudet Feb 21 19:52:49 egaudet is currently on #webos-internals (3d 12h 55m 19s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 1d 16h 40m 19s, last said: 'ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches*'. Feb 21 19:53:46 run EFV Feb 21 19:53:48 So I should enter that command in Terminal to remove patches? Feb 21 19:53:48 let it run Feb 21 19:53:55 I did that. Feb 21 19:54:02 It gave me an error msg. Feb 21 19:54:26 ruiraidh: no, don't enter that in a terminal. I was using #irc tools to find someone above my paygrade to help you. Feb 21 19:54:52 I still have my whole convo w/cryptk so I'll find the error msg it gave me. One moment... Feb 21 19:55:45 "Line 67: cannot open /media/internal/.webosinternals.patches.packages: no such file" "Detected stock files modified via a method other than supported patch technologies: File: /etc/udev/mount.blacklist" Feb 21 19:56:56 after EFV givs you error read the ipkg log or webos-patches.log file to see what files it sees as modified Feb 21 19:57:11 don't worry about mount.blacklist Feb 21 19:57:28 if that's the only thing EFV says you are fine Feb 21 19:57:41 yes, that was the only error it reported Feb 21 19:57:51 EPR showed no patches installed Feb 21 19:57:54 then you are completely stock and there should be no patch installation issues Feb 21 19:58:44 Can I abort webOS Repair Utility when it seems to be stuck scanning a file? Feb 21 20:04:24 Can I abort webOS Repair Utility when it seems to be stuck scanning a file? Feb 21 20:06:18 hi Feb 21 20:07:32 I guess? I don't know anything about how RU works Feb 21 20:07:55 I did it. I don't know if it caused any harm or not. Feb 21 20:08:51 I was able to finally re-install a patch. I don't know what finally fixed things, because I had run EPR several times last night and re-started Luna and was still unable to reinstall patches. Feb 21 20:15:09 how to access a shared folder in my VBox ubuntu system? Feb 21 20:18:51 got me a second touchstone Feb 21 20:19:36 it as $25 from a friend of a friend... what are the chances it fell off the back of a truck? Feb 21 20:19:56 cryptk, I don't know what we did, but I was able to re-install patches this morning despite not being able to complete RU or trying anything else. Thank you! Feb 21 20:20:25 weird... Feb 21 20:20:32 Yup. Feb 21 20:20:38 does EFV succeeed? Feb 21 20:20:49 I haven't tried it again. Feb 21 20:21:15 there is a way to bypass the problem with RU, but it takes some work Feb 21 20:21:16 I've reinstalled all my patches, will it affect them if I run it now? Feb 21 20:21:19 no Feb 21 20:21:30 EFV doesn't change anything, merely provides info Feb 21 20:21:33 Arch Feb 21 20:21:36 *argh Feb 21 20:21:52 (re: RU) Feb 21 20:21:57 ahh Feb 21 20:23:20 what I did to bypass it, EFV puts a log in the USB partition, then you can use "replace specific file" in the RU and just copy and paste in the paths and files from EFV Feb 21 20:23:37 I forgot about that last night (I was tired) Feb 21 20:23:53 I'm sure. I was too. Feb 21 20:23:57 Still so Feb 21 20:24:52 wish I had remembered that last night for ya, lol Feb 21 20:25:00 especially since I did it, lol Feb 21 20:25:15 I had the same problem with RU during my transition from AUPT-2 to AUPT-3 Feb 21 20:25:44 What are AUPT-2 and -3? Feb 21 20:26:49 well, you know what AUPT is right? Feb 21 20:27:06 there are 3 versions AUPT-1 AUPT-2 and AUPT-3, bugfixes and tweaks Feb 21 20:27:07 Nope. Sorry, woefully ignorant it seems Feb 21 20:27:20 they are just different versions with AUPT-3 being the newest Feb 21 20:27:27 ahh, one sec, lemme find you the post about AUPT Feb 21 20:27:46 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Feb 21 20:28:02 but the basics is that with the new AUPT patches, there is no more need to remove patches prior to an update Feb 21 20:28:06 Ahhhh I see what the acronym means. That makes sense Feb 21 20:28:18 (so you shouldn't run into this problem again) Feb 21 20:28:56 But don't I need to make sure I'm using patches that are programmed with AUPT? Feb 21 20:29:23 yep, that is what EFV does Feb 21 20:29:35 makes sure all your patches are using the latest version of AUPT Feb 21 20:29:41 Ah got it Feb 21 20:29:50 and if not, it lets you know of any files that are modified with a non AUPT patch Feb 21 20:29:57 PreWare is still trying to load... geez. Feb 21 20:30:02 but if it is installed with preware or QI it should be AUPT Feb 21 20:30:07 !seen Indecom Feb 21 20:30:22 ~seen rwhitby Feb 21 20:30:25 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (8h 32m 25s) #oe (8h 32m 25s) #meego (8h 32m 25s) #nslu2-linux (8h 32m 25s), last said: 'cryptk: yep'. Feb 21 20:30:31 Thanks. Feb 21 20:30:36 ~seen Indecom Feb 21 20:30:37 indecom was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 34d 16h 23m 22s ago, saying: 'Hey guys, thanks for all your information. I'm updating my mojo sdk here under windows, then i'm gonna set up a shared folder and see if i can't get anything going here.'. Feb 21 20:30:49 Yikes, a month ago. Feb 21 20:30:58 oh, I was just doing that cause I needed to talk to rwhitby, lol but if it helpd you too, your welcome Feb 21 20:31:14 ~seen egaudet Feb 21 20:31:14 egaudet is currently on #webos-internals (3d 13h 33m 44s). Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 23m 42s, last said: 'I guess? I don't know anything about how RU works'. Feb 21 20:31:29 ~seen oil Feb 21 20:31:30 oil is currently on #webos-internals, last said: 'lol'. Feb 21 20:32:10 morning Feb 21 20:32:14 rwhitby: mornin Feb 21 20:32:53 I need you to explain to me how to push changes out to git... the only way I have been able to do it so far is by re-cloning the repo, then changing, then git add, git commit, git push Feb 21 20:32:57 is there an easier way? Feb 21 20:33:09 instead of having to delete everything and re-clone Feb 21 20:33:16 (my git-fu is weak) Feb 21 20:33:22 I've never used git, only subversion. Feb 21 20:33:39 BoomerET: I am in the same boat, I know svn inside and out, but webos-internals uses git Feb 21 20:33:58 btw, rwhitby if you want to check out what I have so far it is fully functional as far as listing services and sorting them Feb 21 20:34:05 cryptk: I found two awesome resources, one of them brief, one of them not-as-brief, for people who know things like SVN but want to learn git Feb 21 20:34:08 shows the service name, state and status Feb 21 20:34:17 even the brief one would be good for you (it answers that question directly) Feb 21 20:34:17 nt4cats: link? Feb 21 20:34:25 cryptk: looking it up ... Feb 21 20:35:04 supposedly there is a plugin for Eclipse called Egit that handles all of that, but i can't get it to work with the webos-internals repo... I think it may be because the repo uses SSH keys and I don't know if Egit supports that yet Feb 21 20:35:23 it supports git-ssh but seems to be only with username and password Feb 21 20:35:36 http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ Feb 21 20:36:01 cryptk: one you have it cloned, you should be able to just commit changes as you make them (Adding new files as req'd, etc) and then push your commits when you want to Feb 21 20:36:17 ... also http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/railsconf-git-talk (this is a slide deck [with audio by the author] that takes about an hour) Feb 21 20:36:49 dtzWill: when i did that, even though I had changed files it was saying that nothing had been changed Feb 21 20:36:51 that first link it the best one I've seen so far -- it explains git-specific topics (the 'data/object model') before diving into the commands Feb 21 20:37:26 nt4cats: bookmarked them both, thanks a bunch Feb 21 20:37:43 anyone wanna check out the Upstart Manager GUI? Feb 21 20:38:07 git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/upstartmanager.git Feb 21 20:38:41 tapping on them doesn't do much (still calls the function from JsTop to kill a process, so that isn't useful yet, but it does give a nice list of all services Feb 21 20:38:57 eventually tapping on them will allow you to stop, start or restart a service Feb 21 20:39:12 not sure if i want to do it with a drawer that slides out or have it transition to a new scene Feb 21 20:41:53 hello Feb 21 20:42:16 how do i send that file to my pre again to make ssh work, i have the file just cant remember the path to send it to Feb 21 20:42:18 is there a way to make my phone actually go to sleep on the touchstone instead of just displaying the clock? Feb 21 20:42:43 why they made the launcher that horrible tinged green i will never know. looks awful on black wallpapers Feb 21 20:43:22 iSmite: what launcher is horrid green? mine is translucent grey Feb 21 20:43:49 its not its green tinged. ive done photoshop for 13 years it is green tinged. only very very slightly but it is Feb 21 20:44:09 mine doesn't look green at all... Feb 21 20:44:12 anyway i want to hue it proper black Feb 21 20:44:14 cryptk: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/upstartmanager.git;a=summary shows that you're committing and pushing find Feb 21 20:44:16 totally grey Feb 21 20:44:30 youre a man you dont get colours :P Feb 21 20:44:35 it is green tinged grey Feb 21 20:44:37 rwhitby: I know, but to do each of those I had to re-clone it afterwards Feb 21 20:44:54 anyway...so whats the ssh path for that file again Feb 21 20:45:00 not cause I'm a man, my wife says it is grey also Feb 21 20:45:03 you are color blind Feb 21 20:45:05 its not! Feb 21 20:45:06 instead of re-cloning, just git add any new files or modified files and git commit and git push Feb 21 20:45:11 lol i am not im a graphic designer Feb 21 20:45:19 i notice the smallest colour variations Feb 21 20:45:19 cryptk: you may be omitting the git add on modified files Feb 21 20:46:17 and my wife is a professional photographer and a certified photoshop advanced retouch technician www.photoarj.com Feb 21 20:46:20 she says it is grey Feb 21 20:46:22 and no green at all Feb 21 20:47:02 rwhitby: so instead of doing 'git add .' I need to specify each file that I changed? Feb 21 20:47:05 true grey has no hue...its devoid..i see green you see grey no-one can prove now can i pls get that path or a wiki link, searched wiki cant find it Feb 21 20:47:23 It appears to me that ones background affects the appearance of the launcher color Feb 21 20:47:39 you would have to theme it Feb 21 20:47:42 my background is jet black Feb 21 20:47:56 check out the themer in QI Feb 21 20:47:58 My background is C programming Feb 21 20:48:11 i know how to make themes, thats not what i am asking Feb 21 20:48:13 my background is sadly the stock one, lol Feb 21 20:48:23 but that is because my phone constantly gets doctored... Feb 21 20:48:27 i am asking, after i have made the keyfile for shh, where do i put that file on my pre Feb 21 20:48:37 oh, that Feb 21 20:48:41 yep lol Feb 21 20:48:41 one sec, lemme find it Feb 21 20:48:53 cryptk: or git add -u if you want to just add all modifications you've made to files that git nows about Feb 21 20:49:02 (wife says if you have tungsteon lights it may make it look green) Feb 21 20:49:10 is yours on a black wallpaper though Feb 21 20:49:12 looking for the ssh link Feb 21 20:49:16 cryptk: of git commit -a if you want to short-cut commit all modifications to all files that git knows about Feb 21 20:49:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 21 20:49:52 thanks Feb 21 20:49:56 On my deep blue background it looks greenish blue, but on a light background it appears a dirty grey. Feb 21 20:50:06 rwhitby: so i can jsut change whatever fiels I need then git commit -a? Feb 21 20:50:21 must be a weird alpha belending issue then Feb 21 20:50:49 see!!! Feb 21 20:50:54 greenish blue Feb 21 20:51:02 it depends on the wallpaper Feb 21 20:51:07 yes Feb 21 20:51:17 and that link didnt tell me where to put the file on the pre just how to make it Feb 21 20:51:22 well on my bkgnd it looks grey (and that is what she was looking at) Feb 21 20:51:24 i have already made it Feb 21 20:51:37 iSmite: that shows where to put it also Feb 21 20:51:45 or do you mean where to put it on your computer? Feb 21 20:51:49 when egaudet told me Feb 21 20:51:58 i used quickinstall or something to put it in the pre Feb 21 20:52:01 im sure i di Feb 21 20:52:01 d Feb 21 20:52:24 iSmite: so you have the ssh key already created? Feb 21 20:52:27 yep Feb 21 20:52:37 is it in the right place on the phone? Feb 21 20:52:41 nope Feb 21 20:52:45 thats what im asking Feb 21 20:52:47 where do i put it Feb 21 20:53:02 that is in that link Feb 21 20:53:06 lol Feb 21 20:53:12 so why do i remember using quickinstall Feb 21 20:53:16 it doesnt say it there Feb 21 20:53:19 yeah Feb 21 20:53:24 you use /opt/bin/ssh-keygen to make the key Feb 21 20:53:32 you probably used quick install to install openSSH Feb 21 20:53:38 then after that you need to make your keys Feb 21 20:53:47 ive made it all Feb 21 20:53:58 so you did /opt/bin/ssh-keygen already? Feb 21 20:54:00 but i have to put the file into the pre Feb 21 20:54:17 you do /opt/bin/ssh-keygen on the pre Feb 21 20:54:28 i made the file ages ago im not sure of the process, i remember i had the file and i got it into the pre somehow Feb 21 20:54:47 on the pre do 'cat /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub" Feb 21 20:54:50 what does it return? Feb 21 20:55:01 sec Feb 21 20:55:06 without my mismatched quotes, lol Feb 21 20:55:39 no such file..which i know cos i havent put the file in Feb 21 20:55:41 lol Feb 21 20:55:58 do 'which ssh-keygen' Feb 21 20:56:13 brb Feb 21 20:56:17 ughh..im getting confused i think id better ask egaudet Feb 21 20:56:22 cos he talked me through it last time Feb 21 20:57:00 iSmite: do you already have your public/private key and need to put it on the pre to make it work? Feb 21 20:57:07 yes Feb 21 20:57:37 sure. what OS you on? Feb 21 20:57:55 snow leo Feb 21 20:58:04 kk Feb 21 20:58:37 well do you know where your existing public/private keys are? if not, check (on /your/ machine) in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to see if that exists. Feb 21 20:58:48 iSmite: I am trying to see what point in the process you are at... Feb 21 20:59:03 cryptk: I don't think he's doing it that way? Feb 21 20:59:03 which ssh-keygen will tell me if you have OpenSSh installed on the phone Feb 21 20:59:17 cryptk: as long as you remember to git add any new files, then yes. Feb 21 20:59:20 dtzWill: you have to have OpenSSh on the phone to SSH in... Feb 21 20:59:22 ive got the ssh from preware and all that yes Feb 21 20:59:27 ok Feb 21 20:59:31 lol i must be shit at explaining Feb 21 20:59:33 you need to generate a key pair then Feb 21 20:59:42 ive done that Feb 21 20:59:43 lol Feb 21 20:59:45 on the phone do '/opt/bin/ssh-keygen' Feb 21 20:59:47 cryptk: he said he already had the keys Feb 21 20:59:50 doesn't seem like it Feb 21 20:59:52 i do!!! Feb 21 20:59:54 cryptk: you can also generate them locally and push the public Feb 21 20:59:54 ok... Feb 21 20:59:57 i have the .pub file Feb 21 21:00:01 ah, ok Feb 21 21:00:10 is the private key in the proper place on the phone? Feb 21 21:00:20 cryptk: the public goes on the phone Feb 21 21:00:27 cryptk: unless you wanna ssh from phone to your machine :) Feb 21 21:00:31 lol.....no because that is what i am trying to ascertain where do i put it Feb 21 21:00:44 oops, misspoke, yes public go's on phone Feb 21 21:00:45 what's happening Feb 21 21:00:47 iSmite: you will put the phone in /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Feb 21 21:01:04 iSmite: put it on the usb, use novaterm to get a terminal and put the key in ~root/.ssh/ Feb 21 21:01:13 /root/.ssh/authorized_keys Feb 21 21:01:16 yep Feb 21 21:01:17 and then check the permissions since ssh is picky and you should be fine Feb 21 21:01:20 tmzt: absolutely Feb 21 21:01:20 ok Feb 21 21:01:29 egaudet is that what i did last time llol Feb 21 21:01:33 tmzt: sorry, that's definitely what i meant Feb 21 21:01:36 ssh requires that only the user have access to the key Feb 21 21:01:43 im sure i used quickinstall or am i going mad Feb 21 21:01:45 it is picky on the permissions Feb 21 21:01:51 tmzt: (thanks :)) Feb 21 21:01:54 yeah my ssh was fine until i doctored Feb 21 21:01:57 you probably did use quick install to install OpenSSH Feb 21 21:01:58 so i need to do it again Feb 21 21:02:09 maybe even use it's command line functionality to generate the key pair Feb 21 21:02:13 no i did openssh through preware itself Feb 21 21:02:14 what happened since the last time? Feb 21 21:02:20 is it not working? new computer? Feb 21 21:02:22 iSmite: I seem to recall seeing a discussion here a month or so back where someone was helping you through all this Feb 21 21:02:26 ahh, you may have used the QI commandline to generate the key pair then Feb 21 21:02:26 i got a new pre.... Feb 21 21:02:29 ye egaudet was Feb 21 21:02:37 new pre? Feb 21 21:02:40 my old pre broke Feb 21 21:02:45 then just put your computer's pub into authorized_keys Feb 21 21:02:51 so on your pre do mkdir -p /home/root/.ssh Feb 21 21:03:03 what OS are you on? Feb 21 21:03:11 snow leo Feb 21 21:03:24 from a terminal do the following command (with pre plugged into USB) Feb 21 21:03:46 i am going to screenshot this this time. Feb 21 21:03:50 lol Feb 21 21:04:06 novacom put file:///home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Feb 21 21:04:47 colloquys gone stupid Feb 21 21:04:49 damnit Feb 21 21:05:01 cant highlight Feb 21 21:05:17 bugger let me restart colloquy sorry about this Feb 21 21:06:13 iSmite: after you get it all figured out you can go to the IRC log at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt and jsut copy/paste the text Feb 21 21:06:23 it is a live log so as soon as it is said here it shows up there Feb 21 21:06:41 then you can jsut copy and paste the pertinant parts and make your own SSH 'cheat-sheet' Feb 21 21:07:25 thats better Feb 21 21:07:29 thanks brb son home Feb 21 21:09:11 or even better, update the wiki page to help the next person :-) Feb 21 21:10:15 the wiki page is great for handling what is done on the phone, but it has no info at all for what should be done on the computer Feb 21 21:11:56 Grrrr... still can't get EFV to install. Same error msg about /etc/udev/mount.blacklist Feb 21 21:13:31 ruairaidh: if that is the only message, then you're done. Feb 21 21:13:52 rwhitby: what is that error for? Feb 21 21:13:55 Done? Feb 21 21:14:03 mine doesn't kick off that error? Feb 21 21:14:22 ruairaidh: yes, if the mount.blacklist is the only error in the IPKG Log, then your phone is good to go. Feb 21 21:14:32 hmm son trying to convince me theres no school tomorrow but hes mysteriously lost the letter. Feb 21 21:14:45 and schools website is almost non existent Feb 21 21:14:58 cryptk: something is modifying that file, we don't know what, but it's not going to affect anything to do with patching or OTA. Feb 21 21:15:08 ahh Feb 21 21:15:47 But I was trying to run EFV to obtain info about my patches. Feb 21 21:16:03 ruairaidh: you just did - it does everything during the install Feb 21 21:16:11 (doesn't the description say that?) Feb 21 21:16:41 Yes but I thought it would kick out a report about them. Sorry, I'm a newb. Feb 21 21:17:04 ruairaidh: it did kick out a report - you just read it in the ipkg log Feb 21 21:21:32 is anyone here using winscp to mod their emulator? Feb 21 21:24:53 Decimate: "mod", you mean like run Preware on the emulator and install patches? Feb 21 21:26:31 does anyone know of a patch, or any method, to make the pre actually sleep on the touchstone? Feb 21 21:27:22 cryptk: brightness unlinked can do that Feb 21 21:27:27 rwhitby: NICE Feb 21 21:27:29 (if you mean go blank) Feb 21 21:27:31 rwhitby: i want to login to my emulator via winscp to test patches im making and with winscp its much easier to transfer files back and fourth. Feb 21 21:27:35 ... damn you cap lock... Feb 21 21:28:00 why not just generate the .patch file and install/uninstall it with QI? Feb 21 21:28:02 Decimate: sure. just add a second host-only vboxnet0 interface in virtualbox settings Feb 21 21:28:05 I've tried winscp, had much better luck w/ FileZilla, WinSCP just seemed so damn slow. Feb 21 21:28:59 rwhitby: and how is that done :| Feb 21 21:30:34 okay, i think i did it Feb 21 21:31:11 i have the ip address set as 169.254.7.155 Feb 21 21:31:17 what port do i use Feb 21 21:31:21 and what username and password. Feb 21 21:32:12 Decimate: if you use a host-only network, it should come up as 192.168.56.x Feb 21 21:32:24 then you just use scp or sftp to port 22 on that address. Feb 21 21:34:40 no username or password? Feb 21 21:36:56 hmm, giving me weird errors Feb 21 21:41:12 okay, new question. how do i even log in with putty Feb 21 21:41:33 just type in the IP Feb 21 21:41:41 port 22? Feb 21 21:41:43 Make sure you have sshd installed on your pre of course Feb 21 21:41:45 Yes, port 22 Feb 21 21:41:53 im doing it on the emulator Feb 21 21:42:01 Oh Feb 21 21:42:33 I can't even turn on wifi on my emu Feb 21 21:42:42 lol..no one can Feb 21 21:43:15 Well, then how do you expect to connect? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I'd seriously like to know, since I'm just getting started myself. Feb 21 21:44:04 your connecting to a virutal disk on your computer Feb 21 21:44:09 so you have to get the ip of the virtual disk Feb 21 21:44:10 i believe. Feb 21 21:44:18 Newsweek ran an article about how [smart]phones keep all sorts of history on your activities ... what phone did they use in the accompanying photo? Feb 21 21:44:20 http://www.newsweek.com/id/233916 Feb 21 21:44:36 (implication that this history and the government/phones are evil) Feb 21 21:46:23 Decimate, you did this... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_Disks_to_the_Emulator Feb 21 21:46:31 yes Feb 21 21:46:49 (I just found it, gonna try...) Feb 21 21:50:08 Has alsa-lib been checked in, it's giving me problems when trying to build my development environment. Feb 21 21:50:21 So if I move it to nonworking, then libsnd fails, ad infinitum. Feb 21 21:53:44 and you have preware installed on your emu? (I just did that now) Feb 21 22:00:09 yeah Feb 21 22:00:19 i give up.. i just spent like. .40 minutes on it. Feb 21 22:00:20 too much Feb 21 22:00:37 Ok, so how do you find the IP to connect to after you get all this stuff setup? Feb 21 22:00:55 localip Feb 21 22:00:59 127.0.0.1 Feb 21 22:01:00 ? Feb 21 22:01:06 Not likely Feb 21 22:01:20 rwhitby: I don't know if you use Eclipse or not, but I finally got EGit working Feb 21 22:01:32 cryptk, did you follow a tut? Feb 21 22:01:37 it is a Git plugin for Eclipse... finally made it work with the webos repo Feb 21 22:02:07 BoomerET: kinda, I couldn't follow them exactly because I had an existing project soit was a little weird... Feb 21 22:02:38 I'm trying to find that as well. Feb 21 22:02:43 but this commit to my project came from EGit http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/upstartmanager.git;a=commit;h=594ad6e4c6fc86f81709394da287d5fc813d346e Feb 21 22:03:04 I followed this for the most part http://github.com/guides/using-the-egit-eclipse-plugin-with-github Feb 21 22:04:03 the problem is that for some reason it wasn't set up as a webos project in eclipse on the initial pull from the git so I had to modify the .project file in it's folder to make eclipse pick up that it was a Mojo App so running the app on the emulator from within eclipse would work Feb 21 22:04:13 I just did a bulk update of my patches via Preware and all my apps disappeared from the launcher. Any ideas? Feb 21 22:04:46 Ahh, ok, so installing it wasn't the issue, but getting it setup with an existing project? Feb 21 22:04:52 did you install the no arrow in launcher patch? Feb 21 22:04:58 I ran into that same problem with that patch Feb 21 22:05:07 I think it is a bug int he patch Feb 21 22:05:22 I removed that one and installed the 5x v2 patch Feb 21 22:06:47 Ok, so my Pre has an address of 10.0.2.15, where on earth did that come from? My internal network is 172... Feb 21 22:06:54 hrm... odd, I don't use the 5x patch, I use the 4x4 Feb 21 22:07:24 I tried the 4x, and liked it, and I like the 5x better :) Feb 21 22:08:22 Decimate, you're trying to ssh into 127.0.0.1 from your Development machine? Feb 21 22:08:34 That really doesn't make any sense if you are. Feb 21 22:08:50 i was gonna work on another launcher patch but i cant get into my emulator via winscp Feb 21 22:08:54 Unless I'm way out in left field, which is a definate possibility Feb 21 22:09:11 and no, i was trying to use the virtual disk host only network ip Feb 21 22:09:35 Hehehe, ok. Now where do I find that? Feb 21 22:11:14 Strange the webos-internals, it says to enable the virtual disk, but then it says after obtaining access to your pre... But has nothing telling me how to do it. Feb 21 22:25:26 rwhitby: you around? Feb 21 22:33:44 Hi Feb 21 22:34:08 first... sorry 4 my bad englisch... iam german *smile* Feb 21 22:34:31 can i read anywhere the mojo doc? i found nothing on google =( Feb 21 22:35:40 Hmmm, have you checked out the webos-internals website? Feb 21 22:35:54 developer.palm.com Feb 21 22:36:09 i would try yeha.. but iam blind =/ Feb 21 22:38:34 the only thing i found is the hello world tutorial.. but i need more... =) Feb 21 22:39:15 have any1 the exactly link to the doc? Feb 21 22:40:22 There is http://webosschool.com, the first class is free. Feb 21 22:43:27 hmmm a doc without payment? Feb 21 22:44:48 developer.palm.com is not enough? Feb 21 22:45:01 are you trying to find docs on undocumented APIs? Feb 21 22:46:31 i found no doc on dev.palm.com where is it O_o Feb 21 22:47:54 i found the hello world tutorial.. but not more =( Feb 21 22:48:17 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1654&Itemid=20 Feb 21 22:48:40 is the reference library to all the mojo functions Feb 21 22:50:14 if you want more samples http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1688&Itemid=19 Feb 21 22:50:24 ahhh thx :> ... *smile* Feb 21 22:52:41 cryptk: yep Feb 21 22:54:22 rwhitby: how far along do you think this thing should be before it go's in the testing feed? Feb 21 22:54:30 at least be able to stop and start a service? Feb 21 22:54:40 cryptk: yep Feb 21 22:54:47 atm, it can list all of them along with their status and state, and sort them... Feb 21 22:55:17 I am having some issues getting it to be context sensitive (if service is running ask to stop and visa versa) Feb 21 22:55:24 I blame it on being rusty with javaScript Feb 21 22:55:34 ok thx 4 help... good night? (here is 11:55 pm =)) Feb 21 22:56:05 rwhitby: you posted a reply to a question on a PreCentral forum, but I just posted another question to the same forum. Would you mind taking a look? I've searched through the forums and haven't found an answer to this question. Feb 21 22:56:08 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2237911#post2237911 Feb 21 23:08:09 is there someone here that is good with JavaScript that can help me out with this? Feb 21 23:08:28 I am trying to figure out how to get the value of what list item was tapped so that I can do something with it... Feb 21 23:08:41 and I am really rusty with javaScript and new to Mojo, lol Feb 21 23:09:37 cryptk: more likely to find someone in #webos Feb 21 23:10:02 yeah, not many there... Feb 21 23:12:58 wait.. got it... Feb 21 23:13:15 I had a typo the whole time, lol Feb 21 23:14:13 I had a Mojo.Log.info to print the name of the clicked service to the log so I could watch it... and I did 'Mojo.Log.info(event.item..name);' (notice the double ..'s between item and name) Feb 21 23:14:14 lol Feb 21 23:14:25 I have been trying to get this part working for like 45 minutes, lol Feb 21 23:14:53 * BoomerET headslaps Feb 21 23:15:52 cryptk: hehe I hate it when that happens Feb 21 23:16:38 Or when you forget a semi-colon, or some other such syntax thing :) Feb 21 23:17:00 exactly, lol Feb 21 23:17:29 I switch between Ruby and PHP at work, and I'm always forgetting the damn semi-colon in PHP. Feb 21 23:17:41 I love Ruby, PHP, not so much :) Feb 21 23:31:21 anyone having issues with facebook photo uploading? the accounts screen says i have an invalid user/pass, but it has worked before. Feb 21 23:40:01 the alert window is now context sensitive! Feb 21 23:40:11 next stop.... make it actually stop and start a service! Feb 22 00:16:07 rwhitby: so i think I have the code right to start a service, but I keep on getting error: null in my log Feb 22 00:16:16 hang on, lemme check something Feb 22 00:34:16 rwhitby: ok, how do I get this bad boy in the testing feed? Feb 22 00:34:39 it stops and starts services now Feb 22 00:34:47 cryptk: put a Makefile in preware/build.git/unreleased/upstartmanager/ Feb 22 00:35:52 no clue how to make a makefile, I only use makefiles, lol... is there an example makefile I can use? Feb 22 00:36:12 cryptk: copy one from preware/build.git/applications/jstop Feb 22 00:37:43 rwhitby: remember... I am a git noob... lol Feb 22 00:37:53 I am barely able to push my updates to it, lol Feb 22 00:38:20 cryptk: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git (put it alongside your upstartmanager clone) Feb 22 00:43:52 how do I specify the Upstart service as a dependency? Feb 22 00:50:51 rwhitby: how do I specify the Upstart Manager as a dependency? Feb 22 00:51:19 cryptk: DEPENDS = org.webosinternals.upstartmgr Feb 22 00:51:30 cryptk: see the Preware Makefile for an example Feb 22 00:51:44 cryptk: there's lots of Makefiles in that build.git to look at ... Feb 22 00:51:55 vood call Feb 22 00:52:01 s/vood/good/ Feb 22 00:52:02 cryptk meant: good call Feb 22 00:52:03 so i never was able to login to the emulator with putty :/ idk i just forget everything. Feb 22 00:52:16 i had no idea which ip to use when logging in Feb 22 00:55:00 root@localhost port 5522 Feb 22 00:57:59 i cant login via sftp with that in winscp Feb 22 00:58:03 how would i go about doing that? Feb 22 00:59:08 Decimate: Assuming you set up a vboxne0 host-only second interface like I suggested, then just novaterm into the emulator, find the ip, use that. Feb 22 00:59:49 rwhitby: hopefully I did that right... Feb 22 01:00:00 if I broke it I apologize in advance Feb 22 01:00:04 rwhiby: 192.168.56.1 is the ip i get Feb 22 01:00:08 and i use port 5522 Feb 22 01:00:12 and root Feb 22 01:00:26 and it says Feb 22 01:01:02 Cannot initalize SFTP protocal. Is this host running a SFTP server? Feb 22 01:01:07 so how do i fix this :/ Feb 22 01:01:11 rwhitby: if you have a chance to look at it for me and let me know if it looks right, that would be awesome... I would hate to be the reason for preware to break, lol Feb 22 01:02:54 cryptk: unreleased dir doesn't go anywhere until I look at it Feb 22 01:03:13 ahh, nice Feb 22 01:03:15 Decimate: I said use port 22, not 5522. Feb 22 01:03:21 rwhitby: wait, you say novaterm in.. once i do that, how do i find the ip Feb 22 01:03:51 rwhitby: some services don't start or stop (or they start and then stop right afterwards so it never shows in the list) I need to look into it more Feb 22 01:03:56 Decimate: and I really doubt that the webOS device in the emulator has a 192.168.56.1 ip address, cause the dhcp range in virtualbox usually starts at 100. Feb 22 01:04:07 there is also no "restart" functionality yet Feb 22 01:04:25 also no checking to see if you are stopping a 'dangerous' service (like LunaSysMgr) Feb 22 01:04:46 but I can start/stop Crond with it and I can also launch the SDL games with it Feb 22 01:05:47 and it launches Doom faster than the Doom launcher does, lol Feb 22 01:10:03 it also doesn't leave that phantom process from the SDL apps that is there when they are launched through their own launcher... Feb 22 01:34:55 so my pre has a crack (now hole) by the usb port and sprint wants to force me to get it replaced under insurane. thoughts? Feb 22 01:36:31 spotter: well... I use the USB cable with mine all the time and no crack or hole... Feb 22 01:36:33 spotter: I'd ask the Palm guys in #webos Feb 22 01:36:39 but I kiddie glove that thing Feb 22 01:36:59 and I only use that when I need to since I charge with touchstone... Feb 22 01:37:44 cryptk, me too Feb 22 01:37:46 I barely use it Feb 22 01:41:21 rwhitby: thanks a ton man, it hit the testing feed Feb 22 01:50:11 time to eat... finally... Feb 22 01:52:55 I was looking at the giveaway pres Feb 22 01:53:08 I think they are older hardware Feb 22 01:53:26 one had a really tight USB cover Feb 22 01:53:52 I could see that eventually breaking the surrounding plastic Feb 22 01:55:45 argh. I forgot to charge my phone today Feb 22 01:56:02 well, I charged it last night Feb 22 01:56:29 been on irc all day and now at 56% Feb 22 01:56:54 at least radios will be turned off during the flight Feb 22 02:10:14 ~~~~ Feb 22 02:10:15 ARGH!!! STOP IT jacques_pre!!! Feb 22 02:11:00 ~~~~ Feb 22 02:11:01 ARGH!!! STOP IT entity-!!! Feb 22 02:17:36 bored now. Feb 22 02:18:41 is there a way to do a tilde in wirc? Feb 22 02:20:39 check the help menu Feb 22 02:22:40 uhm... I don't see a help menu Feb 22 02:23:09 I have away and prefrences Feb 22 02:23:28 the main window has identity, prefrenced and about Feb 22 02:23:40 and the about has no help... Feb 22 02:24:35 I found the help menu but it does nothing Feb 22 02:24:57 cryptk|wirc: when in preferences tab Feb 22 02:25:07 there is a help menu Feb 22 02:25:54 doesn't do anything when I click it... Feb 22 02:26:28 hmmm, to pay $6 to watch tv for the whole flight or not Feb 22 02:26:31 dtzWill, hey, thanks for the cleanup work on the widk, i felt like i was alone there the last few days lol Feb 22 02:26:40 cryptk|wirc: same here Feb 22 02:27:11 jacques_pre: so... how do I do tildes, lol Feb 22 02:27:17 gonna have to turn on airplane mode soon Feb 22 02:27:37 cryptk|wirc: use the sym popup Feb 22 02:28:00 cryptk|wirc: hit "sym" key Feb 22 02:28:30 I'll be damned... I looked through that twice and missed it. Feb 22 02:28:40 going off-line... Feb 22 02:28:44 btw, wth is this that comed up when I orange+sym+i Feb 22 02:29:19 looks like memory usage info... Feb 22 02:31:56 anyone want to help me get my phone to answer ssh connections over the cellular network? Feb 22 02:32:34 I would but I haven't looked into how to do it... Feb 22 02:43:05 zsoc: yeah np. don't want people to /count/ on it but i try to make sure it builds completely from clean every now and then :) Feb 22 02:50:02 anyone good with photoshop wanna make an icon for my app? Feb 22 02:50:13 cryptk|wirc, Templarian Feb 22 02:51:16 zsoc: thanks, I will talk to him next time I see him on. Feb 22 02:51:51 btw,the upstart manager app is in the testing feed, everyone check it out and privmsg me any feedback/bugs Feb 22 02:52:00 kk Feb 22 02:52:03 I will check it all once I wake up Feb 22 02:59:57 zsoc: :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 02:59:58 2010