**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 26 02:59:57 2010 Feb 26 03:00:03 oh Feb 26 03:00:05 that link is not right Feb 26 03:00:19 http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx Feb 26 03:00:37 destinal-wirc, nice, thanks Feb 26 03:00:55 destinal-wirc, bah those are wma lostless Feb 26 03:00:57 zsoc: it is working for me Feb 26 03:00:57 zsoc: I'll look. Feb 26 03:01:00 destinal-wirc, i mean i'll test those too :p Feb 26 03:01:06 zsoc: ah Feb 26 03:01:20 airmack, then it's my isp :/ well i can't see it lol, put it in webos.pastebin.com Feb 26 03:01:41 i can't access webos.pastebin.com through pasteinit Feb 26 03:02:03 then pastebin.com ? Feb 26 03:02:04 zsoc: how about these: http://www.theflute.co.uk/htmlMain/samplemusicW.htm Feb 26 03:02:07 ? Feb 26 03:02:16 jtrucks, oh god Feb 26 03:02:20 jtrucks, that will work. but i'm scared Feb 26 03:02:20 nope Feb 26 03:02:26 zsoc: hey, I just googled for wma files :) Feb 26 03:02:27 rafb.net? Feb 26 03:02:33 I'll let you suffer through the results :) Feb 26 03:02:58 airmack, sure lol Feb 26 03:04:16 Got a question about DOM manipulation in Mojo. How do I register a manipulation event? Feb 26 03:05:11 pasteinit seems to be quite shabby Feb 26 03:05:36 http://pastey.net/133492 Feb 26 03:06:42 airmack, that is odd Feb 26 03:06:45 xcomp: you around? I hear you've been dealing with audio stuff Feb 26 03:07:14 airmack, i haven't recalled anyone having an issue with embryo... maybe it's an autotools thing? make sure you have the proper prereqs install Feb 26 03:08:57 airmack, did you sudo apt-get install git-core build-essential curl unzip autoconf subversion libtool wget pkg-config gettext fakeroot ? Feb 26 03:10:10 hmm libtool might be missing Feb 26 03:10:39 yeah that's it -.- Feb 26 03:10:43 thanks Feb 26 03:11:12 WOO Feb 26 03:11:19 first wma's playing on webos in music app Feb 26 03:11:22 again, no tags Feb 26 03:11:30 zsoc: sweet! Feb 26 03:11:34 and it's some weird lady playing the flute. but at least she's really good Feb 26 03:11:44 not that I care about wma, but that means you can get other formats working Feb 26 03:11:57 * zsoc finds it amusing that he only has music of non supported formats on his pre Feb 26 03:12:49 string buffer is warning out the wazoo, but it sounds good, that's what's important. Feb 26 03:13:22 * zsoc had to remove the fix to this bug to get it to work without patching core gst :p Feb 26 03:14:18 hmm, minor skipping. wma is really a crappy format to decode :p Feb 26 03:14:30 zsoc: blame it on the codec! :D Feb 26 03:14:39 zsoc: also, gba is a terrible thing to emulate ;) Feb 26 03:15:11 dtzWill, nah, it's actually working, it's just that the type of response you get from the stream about it's current state is very vague and poor compared to other types Feb 26 03:15:11 zsoc: but seriously, congrats on wma (and all your other codec work :D) Feb 26 03:15:27 zsoc: oh that's unfortunate. so it _is_ the codec's fault :) Feb 26 03:15:28 flac is actually the best, but probably because it's lossless Feb 26 03:15:45 dtzWill, eh, your emulator is still the 'coolest' thing on my pre. it makes my friends with blackberrys want my phone instantly lol Feb 26 03:16:20 zsoc: other platforms have better gba emulators unfortunately. might have to bank on zodttd saving the day, and/or me/someone getting a bunch more time :D Feb 26 03:16:35 dtzWill, except he's completely disappeared off the face of the planet Feb 26 03:16:39 zodttd, yeah, i'm talking about you Feb 26 03:17:34 dtzWill, and the autosave/load and rom picker are super elite Feb 26 03:18:05 haha well ty. it was about all i could contribute, since i'm no arm emulation expert :) Feb 26 03:18:32 (not to change the topic, but) has anyone has success running qemu on the device itself? :):) Feb 26 03:18:35 jtrucks, find me an xvid file? :) Feb 26 03:18:45 dtzWill, for what purpose exactly? Feb 26 03:18:48 that was a really stupid question Feb 26 03:18:59 zsoc: for fun Feb 26 03:19:00 what's the time travel syntax in vim? :p Feb 26 03:19:11 nah i could see it being very useful for.. y'know.. emulating things :p Feb 26 03:20:34 Windows 7 on Pre :D Feb 26 03:20:34 zsoc: I'll hunt :) Feb 26 03:20:46 Tman: "Down, not across." Feb 26 03:21:09 I don't know what that means but I was kidding ;p Feb 26 03:21:18 jtrucks, also (actually, first probably) a small wmv, i only know of huge hidef ones lol Feb 26 03:21:31 k Feb 26 03:21:52 * jtrucks goes search for weapons of mass velocity Feb 26 03:23:18 zsoc: http://home.att.net/~cherokee68/C4.wmv Feb 26 03:23:23 short copy of a commercial Feb 26 03:24:15 zsoc: or, better yet: http://www.jhepple.com/support/sample_movies1.htm Feb 26 03:24:38 hmmm. no xvid though. Feb 26 03:24:42 * jtrucks goes searching more Feb 26 03:24:58 tyty Feb 26 03:26:28 I can't code my way out of a wet paper bag, so I have to do something else to help :) Feb 26 03:27:47 it helps Feb 26 03:27:53 jtrucks, if it's any encouragement, i can't code either Feb 26 03:28:03 you can write a lot of code but still not get out of a paper bag Feb 26 03:28:04 hehe. :) Feb 26 03:28:15 destinal-wirc: :P Feb 26 03:28:48 hey guys, did you know that starting the fileindexer server won't do anything if there is no /usr/bin/fileindexer binary? Feb 26 03:29:01 s/server/service/ Feb 26 03:29:36 haha Feb 26 03:30:31 dtzWill: what's the name of your emulator? Feb 26 03:31:43 wow wmv makes webos angry Feb 26 03:34:42 does anyone use xvid for anything legal? Feb 26 03:34:45 :) Feb 26 03:35:05 sure why not Feb 26 03:35:27 if you search around, it doesn't seem that way :) Feb 26 03:39:28 zsoc: I might have one. checking. Feb 26 03:39:54 huzzah, toolchain is built Feb 26 03:40:50 yey Feb 26 03:42:05 zsoc: maybe this? http://matroska.free.fr/samples/mewmew/downloads/mewmew-vorbis-ssa.mkv Feb 26 03:43:25 howdy anybody around? Feb 26 03:43:30 No. Feb 26 03:43:32 we're all bots Feb 26 03:43:44 not droids hopefully Feb 26 03:44:04 no. Feb 26 03:44:08 those are shot on sight Feb 26 03:44:20 the web usually catches them. Feb 26 03:44:21 i have a question and i just cant get any answers off precentral forums Feb 26 03:44:51 i am trying to locate where in webos Palm associates file types with their launch programs Feb 26 03:44:54 usually you just ask and see if someone knows Feb 26 03:45:14 e.g. jpg for photo viewer, html for browser etc Feb 26 03:46:00 i am trying to figure out a way to increase email attachment types as things like .pps files (powerpoint slide show) work fine if you rename them .ppt and view on the pre but the .pps is unknown Feb 26 03:46:10 zsoc: prsent Feb 26 03:46:14 err present :) Feb 26 03:46:27 zodttd, haven't seen you in er... since we set up those repos :p Feb 26 03:46:43 Yeah, I apologize. Got super busy for the longest time Feb 26 03:47:00 zodttd, nah it's cool, just teasing at you :) i figured Feb 26 03:47:03 At the same time, I got a manufactured Pandora Feb 26 03:47:12 Fester: this help? http://www.weboshelp.net/getting-started-with-webos/461-launching-viewers-players-and-other-3rd-party-applications Feb 26 03:47:38 Then I needed to update n64iphone with Ari64's latest dynarec for the iPhone 3gs / iPod Touch 3rd gen, which im still in the process of doing Feb 26 03:48:10 Does the Pre need a GBA emu still? Best route is going with gpSP from the GP2X and making sure you use it's dynarec. Feb 26 03:48:19 thanks Trucks.. looks like their resource handler table Feb 26 03:48:25 Will need some tweaks to clear the icache probably Feb 26 03:49:59 zodttd, maybe dtzWill has some time to port his touchscreen and rom picker / autosaving to gpSP if it happens :) Feb 26 03:50:10 would be awesome! Feb 26 03:50:10 exit Feb 26 03:50:42 Does the ROM picker use raw framebuffer blits? Feb 26 03:51:29 zodttd, er, i believe it's an SDL surface Feb 26 03:51:38 Ah :-/ Feb 26 03:51:51 still good and portable Feb 26 03:52:06 zodttd, learn to embrace sdl :p Feb 26 03:52:08 Would be nice to use for some of the platforms I dev on I bet :P Feb 26 03:52:14 hehe Feb 26 03:52:23 its all in the git :) Feb 26 03:52:55 SDL can be massively slow depending how the driver is written (for instance if it uses OpenGL, it will be most likely horrid for mobile devices running emulators that take a full frame blit) Feb 26 03:53:19 Not SDL's fault though. Just design choices Feb 26 04:02:08 hmmm. fester left before I could point him to a better resource Feb 26 04:02:12 oh well. Feb 26 04:02:35 zsoc: did that xvid work for your needs? Feb 26 04:02:54 jtrucks, yes, thanks Feb 26 04:02:57 cool Feb 26 04:03:00 yw Feb 26 04:03:03 i mean it didn't _work_ Feb 26 04:03:06 it worked for my needs lol Feb 26 04:03:11 :) Feb 26 04:03:29 i.e. it didn't play, but gave you data that is useful? ;) Feb 26 04:04:20 yes Feb 26 04:17:43 so does optware not come with its own ipkg now? (I was reading some directions on the internet that say to use /opt/bin/ipkg-opt but that doesn't exist) Feb 26 04:18:20 install the optware command line installer package Feb 26 04:19:32 aha. don't think that was in the how-to Feb 26 04:24:28 rwhitby: so I'm not 100% clear on how scratchbox2 and the WIDK works. How would I go about compiling a package against ALSA for Pre? Feb 26 04:24:45 Tman, make a folder in nonworking/ with your lib name Feb 26 04:25:03 Tman, you can copy a simple makefile from a package that doesn't have a lot of jibber jabber to start with Feb 26 04:25:21 Tman, put that makefile in your new folder, edit it to suit your new packages need Feb 26 04:26:09 zsoc: so I don't need to set anything up for alsa specifically? dynamic linking will just work when it gets to the pre? Feb 26 04:26:14 Tman, if it's your own work, in theory you can just toss the file there and ${SB2} make Feb 26 04:26:22 Tman, well you need to compile ALSA if you want to compile against the libs Feb 26 04:26:34 ok. and this would happen within sb2 Feb 26 04:26:51 Tman, well, yes and no. don't think about it in terms of sb2 Feb 26 04:27:20 Tman, http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.5/index.html <-- the alsa-libs there is the one you want. it may already be somewhere in packages or nonworking, if not xcomp has it, if not you can just build it yourself, it should be super easy in the widk Feb 26 04:28:28 Tman, and don't forget the LDFLAGS for rpath to install the libs properly, something like LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib" Feb 26 04:29:31 ok. Feb 26 04:29:40 what's the significance of /usr/local? Feb 26 04:30:16 phew... long day... spent it all at the hospital... Feb 26 04:30:17 again... Feb 26 04:30:22 Tman, two significances, one, it's where stuff needs to go to be staged properly, so other things can build against it in the widk, and also it's where stuff is going to be bind mounted for use on the pre (so we are disturbing the stock filesystem) Feb 26 04:31:41 ok that makes sense. and when I install alsa-lib like this, it will be compiled for arm and placed in my computer's actual /usr/local/lib? Feb 26 04:32:12 Tman, er, it's placed in sb2's /usr/local/lib, which is something like /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/lib Feb 26 04:32:20 that might not be exact, i was doing that from memory Feb 26 04:32:29 zsoc: ok, that makes much more sense :) Feb 26 04:32:52 the purpose of the sb2 environment is that it doesn't interfere with your host environment in anyway, like a mix between a sandbox a jail and a funny looking shell Feb 26 04:33:14 and of course the cross compiling aspect :p Feb 26 04:33:19 right :p Feb 26 04:33:22 haha, I was about to say that Feb 26 04:33:32 "there is the whole compiling for ARM thing" Feb 26 04:33:33 lol Feb 26 04:33:46 the widk works amazingly well, take it from a guy who compiled at least 5 different ways before it Feb 26 04:34:03 Tman: visualboyadvance, if you didn't get your answer Feb 26 04:34:27 dtzWill: hows it goin man? Feb 26 04:34:35 dtzWill: I found it eventually. Thanks :) Feb 26 04:34:40 btw, I sucessfully smoked my e-cig in a hospital today, lol Feb 26 04:34:55 zodttd: yep gpsp is probably the best. I was hoping the pre's faster cpu (compared to the gpsp) would let VBA be good enough, but it looks like a dynarec is needed after all. Feb 26 04:35:00 nice, you shut everyone down? lol Feb 26 04:35:07 "you can't smoke in here", "it's water vapor" Feb 26 04:35:29 cryptk|work: good good :) busy Feb 26 04:36:06 yep... they tried to tell me that it was burning so it was smoke (then end of mine lights up loke a cig cherry, lol) Feb 26 04:36:22 I did a little work on the Upstart Manager today Feb 26 04:36:30 gor the basics set up for the orientation Feb 26 04:36:37 that should be coming in the next version Feb 26 04:36:49 cryptk|work: you? :) Feb 26 04:37:20 been pretty busy Feb 26 04:51:36 rwhitby: if I wanted to use "ipkg-build" in a unix box, what would I need python? Feb 26 04:53:19 so I set up a dyndns for my pre and tried to ssh into it. but it won't even respond to pings :/ Feb 26 04:53:31 (yes the dyndns is updated)\ Feb 26 04:53:43 openssh may not by default be set up to accept connections over evdo Feb 26 04:55:19 I don't see anything in sshd_config.. Feb 26 04:57:56 zsoc: have you done anything like this? Feb 26 04:58:14 Tman, once, coached by someone who knew what the hell they were doing Feb 26 04:58:22 lol :) Feb 26 04:59:18 oh well, that can wait Feb 26 05:03:24 it's iptables I think Feb 26 05:03:33 just editing sshd_config is probably not enough Feb 26 05:03:36 zsoc: ok so I need to apply those LDFLAGS when I'm building alsa? Feb 26 05:04:01 tmzt: ahh.. I'll take a look Feb 26 05:05:17 Tman, likely when you're configuring it, yes Feb 26 05:05:56 http://www.viddler.com/explore/docfuture/videos/28/ <-- a 20 minute video of a guy with a super relaxing voice and chill out music playing sonic 1 and telling you everything is going to be just fine Feb 26 05:06:50 zsoc: okay and shall I set the --prefix to /usr/local as well? Feb 26 05:07:28 Tman, i'm found that really depends on how the package is build, but it doesn't hurt Feb 26 05:07:33 s/i'm/i've/ Feb 26 05:07:33 zsoc meant: Tman, i've found that really depends on how the package is build, but it doesn't hurt Feb 26 05:07:39 s/build/built/ Feb 26 05:07:41 lol Feb 26 05:07:41 zsoc meant: Tman, i'm found that really depends on how the package is built, but it doesn't hurt Feb 26 05:07:59 lol k Feb 26 05:08:12 so I build the WIDK about 2 weeks ago. should I update it and how? Feb 26 05:08:22 git pull? Feb 26 05:08:55 yay compiling Feb 26 05:09:10 zsoc: you've been incredibly helpful, thanks :) Feb 26 05:09:24 Tman, like I said, we support our official methods :> Feb 26 05:09:38 ehe yes :) Feb 26 05:09:57 Tman, assuming you're doing something useful, you should contact rod about access to push some of that stuff upstream Feb 26 05:10:13 linux and developing I know. cross-compiling I don't :p Feb 26 05:10:15 okay Feb 26 05:11:55 finally, I have an environment set up.. now to just use it.. Feb 26 05:11:57 zsoc, I've got an app working using both opengles for the pre against SB2 and against opengl on ubuntu. Think that might be a good example to post to the wiki? only compile flags and ifdefs are the difference. Feb 26 05:12:38 gaffo_home, why isn't it in the widk? :) Feb 26 05:13:28 zsoc, what do you mean "in the widk"? Feb 26 05:14:33 er IN Feb 26 05:14:44 gaffo_home, in packages/ .. it could be like glestest or something? or am i misinterpreting it's purpose? Feb 26 05:15:02 gaffo_home, i mean, any documentation in the wiki would be great, access to the source would be better :) Feb 26 05:15:16 I think its basically like glestest, it just shows the kronos style hello triangle Feb 26 05:15:43 but it compiles vs SDL/SDL_opengl and SDL/SDL_opengles Feb 26 05:16:05 not sure how to make it be in packages and show the 2 compiles. then again I haven't looked at packages :) Feb 26 05:16:10 showing source is not a problem Feb 26 05:17:07 kk Feb 26 05:19:35 zsoc, so what ya think? Feb 26 05:20:27 gaffo_home, yeah probably a good idea Feb 26 05:21:21 kk. I'll get it cleaned up and then get advice as to how to place it Feb 26 05:21:24 thanks Feb 26 05:32:04 anyone familar with ipkg-build? Feb 26 05:32:29 i get the following error "Error: Directory /home/dude/canton/acat101 has no CONTROL subdirectory" Feb 26 05:38:02 LoneStar99, just a guess, you probably need a control subdirectory Feb 26 05:38:31 later Feb 26 05:38:36 what is a "control subdirectory" Feb 26 05:38:51 used to eclipse making my IPKs Feb 26 05:44:36 some guy reckons he is downloading 1.4: http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/232480-downloading-1-4-a.html Feb 26 05:45:26 yeah Feb 26 05:45:36 frickin, germany qwertz unlocked in vietnam Feb 26 05:45:37 :P Feb 26 05:45:46 nice Feb 26 05:45:55 i read that. Feb 26 05:46:31 the camera app shots look accurate Feb 26 05:47:16 i dont remember seeing the 'precorder' video app though in 1.4 testing. Feb 26 05:48:10 precorder is a homebrew app Feb 26 05:48:22 so thats why i dont remember it. Feb 26 05:48:25 not the camera/video app Feb 26 05:48:36 I haven't seen him complain about not being able to access the patches feed yet ... Feb 26 05:48:51 lol Feb 26 05:49:01 ready for complaints with upgrader #1 :P Feb 26 05:49:07 I'm dying to know if GSM users finally get pay apps with 1.4 Feb 26 05:49:57 so there can be less "hey how can I extract an app from a Pre to work on another Pre" Feb 26 05:51:22 rwhitby: the thread mentions Preware giving him an error Feb 26 05:51:39 yeah, I'm watching the log to see if he's legit Feb 26 05:51:56 Less apps in the GSM AppCat though. Feb 26 05:51:56 Down to 143. Feb 26 05:52:14 oh I see Feb 26 05:52:26 weaksauce Feb 26 05:52:31 on app cat part Feb 26 05:53:11 app cat.... meow Feb 26 05:53:18 im still getting phantom app updates Feb 26 05:53:20 blah Feb 26 05:53:46 i think i like that new camera icon Feb 26 05:55:59 rod error is posted Feb 26 05:58:51 1.4.0 error Feb 26 06:00:13 Kyusaku: yeah, I just did the chmod o+x to enable access to the 1.4.0 feed Feb 26 06:00:21 hi Feb 26 06:00:23 haha Feb 26 06:00:33 omg weres 1.4 =[[[[[[[[[[ Feb 26 06:00:42 looking for 1.4 luv Feb 26 06:00:49 just got 1.4 omfg Feb 26 06:01:01 lighting a bone for this one... Feb 26 06:01:03 hi323: who are you? Feb 26 06:01:16 spam flood? Feb 26 06:01:20 oh man... irc.... i haven't done irc in 15 years! mIRC was the bizomb :P Feb 26 06:01:37 jah, A+ joinspam Feb 26 06:01:43 who's here from the PreCentral thread? Feb 26 06:01:44 so, how is the precentral gang? Feb 26 06:01:49 precentral here Feb 26 06:01:49 LOL Feb 26 06:01:53 how many people are here??? :O Feb 26 06:01:55 I am Feb 26 06:01:55 woohooo precentral! Feb 26 06:01:57 Is Tomi666 here? Feb 26 06:02:01 ah, someone just posted the link eh? Feb 26 06:02:03 pc woot! Feb 26 06:02:03 Here from Precentral Feb 26 06:02:04 precentarl here Feb 26 06:02:04 mass people Feb 26 06:02:05 yeah Feb 26 06:02:09 link just posted Feb 26 06:02:11 precentral Feb 26 06:02:11 haha....this might get interesting Feb 26 06:02:13 ok so what's going on Feb 26 06:02:15 Woot Precentral! Feb 26 06:02:17 wow this is awesome! Feb 26 06:02:22 :) Feb 26 06:02:24 now rwhitby unlease the mindcontrol program and TAKE OVER THE WORLD Feb 26 06:02:27 Preccentral transfer here Feb 26 06:02:29 WOW, this is a crazy amount of ppl Feb 26 06:02:29 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:02:31 Rod, I think putting that link was a bad idea, haha Feb 26 06:02:34 Wow lots of people here... im in buffalo, Does anybody know if tomi got it at 12 noon? Feb 26 06:02:43 w00000000000000000t Feb 26 06:02:44 so what's up with the AUPT patch and 1.4? Feb 26 06:02:59 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:02:59 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:00 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:01 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:01 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:02 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:02 We'll be good, carry on... Feb 26 06:03:02 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:03 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:04 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:04 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:05 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:06 WHY did Vietnam get the update before the USA did???????????????????????????????????? Feb 26 06:03:08 Okay...I've got my snuggy...no DANCE MONKEYS! Feb 26 06:03:09 so, when can we expect it in US? Feb 26 06:03:13 easy dude before you get the boot Feb 26 06:03:13 Precentral Feb 26 06:03:14 ............ Feb 26 06:03:17 racism fo usa Feb 26 06:03:18 snuggy! lol Feb 26 06:03:18 lol i'm done Feb 26 06:03:19 DANCE MONKEYS! Feb 26 06:03:20 dude people dont need to be assholes like that Feb 26 06:03:21 DANCE MONKEYS! Feb 26 06:03:24 but seriously Feb 26 06:03:26 OMG Feb 26 06:03:27 somebody kick omnimaxus out please Feb 26 06:03:28 stop ppl Feb 26 06:03:33 and +M in 3, 2, 1 Feb 26 06:03:36 @ Reparations Feb 26 06:03:37 heyyyyy Feb 26 06:03:40 Bad idea on posting a link. Chill out kids. Feb 26 06:03:42 this is a webos-internals support channel only Feb 26 06:03:42 kick omnimax Feb 26 06:03:42 LMAO Feb 26 06:03:42 LALALALLALALALA Feb 26 06:03:43 lol reparations Feb 26 06:03:45 gonna go ahead and auth now O_o Feb 26 06:03:52 WTF IS THIS Feb 26 06:03:52 hello hello Feb 26 06:03:56 omni don't clutter this place up Feb 26 06:03:58 I found my IP Feb 26 06:03:59 so, r they on here? Feb 26 06:04:07 it's 127.0.0.1 Feb 26 06:04:07 this is gonna get ugly. Feb 26 06:04:13 please don't tell anyone Feb 26 06:04:15 hmmmm Feb 26 06:04:16 d Feb 26 06:04:17 lol Feb 26 06:04:19 WTF Feb 26 06:04:21 * rwhitby chuckles Feb 26 06:04:21 LOL Feb 26 06:04:22 LMAO Feb 26 06:04:23 test Feb 26 06:04:25 LMAO Feb 26 06:04:26 hHH Feb 26 06:04:27 LMAO Feb 26 06:04:28 fail Feb 26 06:04:29 this is not as much fun as clicking refresh and then quick reading all the new posts! Lol Feb 26 06:04:33 hahahahaha Feb 26 06:04:34 FAIL EPIC Feb 26 06:04:35 how did you chuckle? Feb 26 06:04:36 @ This is where the dudes responsible for all those patches like to hang Feb 26 06:04:37 LOL Feb 26 06:04:38 LOLO Feb 26 06:04:39 LOL Feb 26 06:04:40 everyone please calm down Feb 26 06:04:41 * insane42 hasn't been on IRC in YEARS! This brings back memories... Feb 26 06:04:43 Anyone got a link to that phantom update fix? Feb 26 06:04:43 oh no Feb 26 06:04:51 you people are so immature! Feb 26 06:04:53 wow, spam 'o' rama ;-) Feb 26 06:04:53 Patches rule! Feb 26 06:04:57 let me tell you that WEBOS INTERNALZ IS AWESOME Feb 26 06:04:58 omni I believe it was a skip.. He has it on tmobile. In veitnam. Mustve been a server mistake Feb 26 06:05:01 dude its like STONE AGE YAHOO CHAT!!!! LMFAO Feb 26 06:05:07 yeah, insane42 ... same here. used to rock mIRC back in the day...lol Feb 26 06:05:09 GUYS I JUST FARTED!!!!! Feb 26 06:05:13 i don't remember any of the commands now Feb 26 06:05:16 :( Feb 26 06:05:18 HOW DID IT SMELL? Feb 26 06:05:19 question please: i have one patch installed and it's the virtual keyboard, should i uninstall it before 1.4? Feb 26 06:05:20 An update while roaming? Thought taht was against Palm's policy Feb 26 06:05:20 heh, /me Feb 26 06:05:24 LIKE ROTTEN SAUSAGES Feb 26 06:05:27 wow we are in the matrix (n0 n0t really) Feb 26 06:05:29 seriously can the immature ppl leave Feb 26 06:05:34 NO I WONT Feb 26 06:05:34 WOOT Feb 26 06:05:35 lol webos internalz just stole precentrals traffic.(: Feb 26 06:05:35 he's on wifi.. Feb 26 06:05:36 WOOT Feb 26 06:05:36 :) Feb 26 06:05:38 WOOT Feb 26 06:05:39 karma Feb 26 06:05:40 WOOT Feb 26 06:05:42 aww no emoticons Feb 26 06:05:43 LMAO Feb 26 06:05:48 :) Feb 26 06:05:51 :( Feb 26 06:05:55 1.4 anybody? Feb 26 06:05:56 1.4 talk!!! Feb 26 06:05:57 * intron is having flashbacks Feb 26 06:05:59 ;? Feb 26 06:06:00 Guest71199: you can download updates over wifi, palm profile stuff is restricted Feb 26 06:06:00 did i miss anything good? Feb 26 06:06:02 is tomi here? Feb 26 06:06:06 CANT WAIT TILL 1.4 I MIGHT JUST TAKE A DUMP ON MY PRE FULL OF EXCITEMENT Feb 26 06:06:07 saurik - are you THE saurik? Feb 26 06:06:09 Demlor: edit it out of your post too Feb 26 06:06:11 yeah, where's tomi? Feb 26 06:06:12 do u think i should REMOVE MY PATCHES Feb 26 06:06:18 1.4 IS OUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OMG GOTTTTTTTTTTTTT IT DUDESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Feb 26 06:06:23 ME TOO Feb 26 06:06:23 I think it's everyone but Tomas and his 1.4 Feb 26 06:06:24 OMFG Feb 26 06:06:24 Okay...I hit update...and then get "your phone is up to date"...and then I hit update again...ober and over and over...like a rat on crack Feb 26 06:06:27 this isn't a chatroom for your 1.4 anticipation Feb 26 06:06:33 [01:05] An update while roaming? Thought taht was against Palm's policy: Was recently fixed Feb 26 06:06:36 it's not? Feb 26 06:06:37 lol Feb 26 06:06:38 he probably left after he saw so many idiots at the same time Feb 26 06:06:41 a/s/l? Feb 26 06:06:45 EVERYONE this is a webos-internals support channel only Feb 26 06:06:47 so it tomi in the room? Feb 26 06:06:47 LMFAO Feb 26 06:06:48 IM ILL Feb 26 06:06:55 anyone wanna cyber? Feb 26 06:06:56 Kyusaku: let it roll, it won't last long Feb 26 06:06:56 OMG Feb 26 06:07:01 ok, so i just ran the emergency patch recovery thing....... it rebooted palm, but it seems to be stuck rebooting. damnit, watch me brick this thing right before the patch comes out Feb 26 06:07:04 OMG Feb 26 06:07:05 ok rwhitby Feb 26 06:07:06 Can people get kicked out of here Feb 26 06:07:12 agree Feb 26 06:07:14 ban some Feb 26 06:07:16 you gotta respect rwhitby Feb 26 06:07:18 i hope so. Feb 26 06:07:18 heh Feb 26 06:07:20 pls do Feb 26 06:07:21 he's an authority Feb 26 06:07:22 im not sure ive ever seen a ban here Feb 26 06:07:23 this is gya back to thread so we can kick ass and make it long Feb 26 06:07:23 rwhitby, You asked for this!!! Feb 26 06:07:30 seriously why did vietnam get it first? Feb 26 06:07:31 mrloserpunk: yep :-) Feb 26 06:07:33 i was kiddinnnggg Feb 26 06:07:38 CUZ THEYRE RACIST TO USA Feb 26 06:07:39 Yeah why did they get it first? Feb 26 06:07:40 im curious about 1.4 and getting hte patches fixed Feb 26 06:07:42 it's a slow time of the day for this channel .. Feb 26 06:07:49 rwhitby: tomi quit a while back; I suggest you use the oldfashioned plain old telephone Feb 26 06:07:55 this is slow? Feb 26 06:07:58 when we get chat @ P|C Feb 26 06:08:01 just my luck, my power button got stuck..te night before 1.4 Feb 26 06:08:07 heh, vietnam to the land down under Feb 26 06:08:07 need to rma this pre Feb 26 06:08:08 everyone should pay attention to this incase they have preware/patching problems as well!!!!!!! Feb 26 06:08:08 HAHAHAHHAHA Feb 26 06:08:09 it was on an UNLOCKED pre and the rest of us bought subsidized phones and we pay Sprint for monthly service Feb 26 06:08:10 that shouldnt be expensive Feb 26 06:08:12 so come on lol Feb 26 06:08:20 @rwhitby, you had no idea what you were getting yourself into man.... lol Feb 26 06:08:28 while we are in here, mrloserpunk, do you still skin? I know you did a while back if I recall correctly Feb 26 06:08:33 GUYS JUST GOT 1.2 OMFG Feb 26 06:08:43 wow.. Most traffic ever. It'll be short lived. Like a kid who throws temper tantruams. Feb 26 06:08:45 OK Feb 26 06:08:48 Niris777: no, I knew exactly what would happen. We have +m if it lasts more than an hour :-) Feb 26 06:08:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew << :D Feb 26 06:09:13 lol this takes me back to the old days when internet megaton events would occur and IRC chans would fill up Feb 26 06:09:14 hi Feb 26 06:09:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iCXb3jNvS4 TOMIS VIDEO OMFG Feb 26 06:09:21 lol at the youtube vid Feb 26 06:09:32 Anyone got a link to the fix for phantom updates? Feb 26 06:09:32 @rwhitby, cool lol Feb 26 06:09:35 deleting some history db Feb 26 06:09:40 @ I do from time to time Feb 26 06:10:13 @ PM at P|C if you need something Feb 26 06:10:29 there we go, everyone's got it out of their system now :-) Feb 26 06:10:34 OK.... serious question..... on reboot after running emergency patch recovery, phone is frozen (solid "palm" - not pulsing) - what is the smart course of action here? remove battery? Feb 26 06:10:48 ~~~ Feb 26 06:10:48 yes Feb 26 06:10:51 U GUYS GOT PUNKED LOLZ Feb 26 06:10:59 http://www.myspace.com/moskito166 Feb 26 06:11:01 rwhitby: way is +m? Feb 26 06:11:03 Are we there yet? LOL Feb 26 06:11:04 @rwhitby thank God! now really where's tomi? Feb 26 06:11:04 So, anyone who reckons they have 1.4 already, tell me your WAN IP address and I will verify on the server whether you are legit. Feb 26 06:11:04 so, 1.4 is out? Feb 26 06:11:11 what is +m?* Feb 26 06:11:20 Intron: That happened to me 2 days ago. Just pulled battery and all was well. Feb 26 06:11:21 intron: yes remove battery Feb 26 06:11:29 he was already here and posted his IP i believe it was in all the clutter Feb 26 06:11:29 ok... thanks mjkjr..... that is what i was afraid of Feb 26 06:11:29 epid beard man IS REAL Feb 26 06:11:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8ZDs-D8Ys Feb 26 06:11:53 thanks to others who whispered to me - i can't remember how to do that ... it has been 15 years since i used irc :) Feb 26 06:12:12 --> /msg messages Feb 26 06:12:13 Barack_Obama_NO_: lol Feb 26 06:12:14 hahahhaa vietnam tom... Feb 26 06:12:23 It's slowly coming back to me too. LOL Feb 26 06:12:28 guys tomi was here but left some pages ago; why don't you pm him or call him? Feb 26 06:12:28 thanks cardshark :) Feb 26 06:12:56 Ok, I have to do work or I won't get any PS3 time in tonight. I will just watch the thread. Enjoy boys and girls. Feb 26 06:12:56 Hmm - no-one posting any IP addresses yet .... Feb 26 06:13:15 @rwhitby, he did, I'll find it Feb 26 06:13:16 Tomi popped in, said oh no and popped out Feb 26 06:13:21 Rwhitby, he posted @ p|C and is under the impression you have it already Feb 26 06:13:36 rwhitby: said he PMed it to u. Feb 26 06:14:07 that's exactly what I was thinking..you asked for an UP.. It went silent ltm Feb 26 06:14:13 1.4 real or hoax? Feb 26 06:14:24 haha Feb 26 06:14:33 * azakus reserves judgement until he sees it on his phone Feb 26 06:14:40 Anyone got a link to the fix for phantom updates? Feb 26 06:14:45 phantom updates? Feb 26 06:14:45 there is one person accessing the 1.4.0 feeds - if I get the IP address from that person I can verify 1.4 Feb 26 06:14:58 so if he has it for real, doesnt that mean you can talk about what you know of 1.4 rod? Feb 26 06:15:00 I thought the phantom updates thing was because of "garbage" left over in /... Feb 26 06:15:04 rwhitby: he said he sent you PM on forum Feb 26 06:15:13 he def thinkd you have it Feb 26 06:15:14 http://www.myspace.com/moskito166 Feb 26 06:15:26 definitely thinks.. Feb 26 06:15:27 http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=webos-internals# Feb 26 06:15:34 woops Feb 26 06:15:56 heyy Feb 26 06:16:04 lol Feb 26 06:16:08 wtf Feb 26 06:16:10 @rod he said he pmed you on Precentral Feb 26 06:16:16 rob, over in the PC fourm Tomi says he sent you the IP and list of patches, did you get em? Feb 26 06:16:17 1.4 will end world hunger Feb 26 06:16:27 to light or not to lite the bone,,,, that is the question Feb 26 06:16:32 tomi's error seems legit for a 1.4.0 device rwhitby just needs to confirm Feb 26 06:16:38 Im so tierd guys :( Feb 26 06:16:49 light it and pass it around.. Feb 26 06:16:52 then the nda on 1.4 is history right? Feb 26 06:16:52 opps rod, not rob.. my bad Feb 26 06:16:53 the IP address he PM'd me didn't match what the server is seeing, but he could be behind a NAT from the carrier (that's very common for cellular devices) Feb 26 06:16:56 yes! Unable to connect. Try again later! i believe every body here with open updates pages on pre! ;0 Feb 26 06:17:04 woah its Dieter! Feb 26 06:17:06 someone OP me please Feb 26 06:17:08 dun dun duhn' Feb 26 06:17:09 dieter in the house??!! Feb 26 06:17:12 epic Feb 26 06:17:26 shhhhhhhh lol Feb 26 06:17:27 fun night for webos Feb 26 06:17:32 can he go to whatismyip.com or something like that? Feb 26 06:17:40 woot dieter joining in Feb 26 06:17:44 yeah he can use whatismyip.com Feb 26 06:17:48 have my doubts it's Dieter Feb 26 06:17:48 he 4x4v3 patch access matches Feb 26 06:17:56 browserinfo.com will probably work too Feb 26 06:18:15 I wish it would just say 1.4 is ready for download... :( Feb 26 06:18:15 the real Dieter doesn't even get OP here ;-) Feb 26 06:18:16 hmm.. Would tmobiles service work in vietnam? Feb 26 06:18:23 where is he right now anyway? I'll call him if needed.. (got lots of mins on my phone card lol) Feb 26 06:18:32 yeah and there's no reason he needs ops Feb 26 06:18:38 I speak viet Feb 26 06:18:47 do I need to be charging to update? Feb 26 06:18:47 rwhitby: Can't you check the logs for any 1.4, do a reverse ip lookup and see if it is from Vietnam? Feb 26 06:19:09 soooo tired Feb 26 06:19:15 sameeeeeeeeeeee Feb 26 06:19:38 help: Feb 26 06:19:43 How far ahead is Vietnam from EST? Feb 26 06:19:43 so many r hitbys in here wonder whos the real one. Feb 26 06:19:45 ll Feb 26 06:19:45 dannns: did that, I get eMobile Ltd. Feb 26 06:19:46 ll Feb 26 06:19:46 l Feb 26 06:19:47 ll Feb 26 06:19:47 ll Feb 26 06:19:48 l Feb 26 06:19:49 l Feb 26 06:19:50 holy cow... after uninstalling patches in prep (despite aupt - i am just being extra careful) ---- i haven't seen the 3x3 icons in forever.... i do the 5x5.... man, 3x3 are HUGE Feb 26 06:19:53 omg Feb 26 06:19:55 1.4 Feb 26 06:19:57 woot Feb 26 06:19:59 woot Feb 26 06:20:02 whoops Feb 26 06:20:04 JShamoon: its like 12 hours ahead :P Feb 26 06:20:17 that should have been mybrowserinfo.com Feb 26 06:20:18 ,,,, Feb 26 06:20:20 ah, good old /kick Feb 26 06:20:26 rwhitby... a man of many talents... good foot, too. LOL Feb 26 06:20:29 lol Feb 26 06:20:30 so he got the update at like 11am vietnam time? Feb 26 06:20:32 lol Feb 26 06:20:42 for those keeping score, bone is lite Feb 26 06:20:43 it's friday 2 o'clock noon Feb 26 06:20:45 tomi on the forum says he never jumped onto the channel, doesn't seem to want to use it Feb 26 06:21:01 I was getting tired of /ignore'ing people Feb 26 06:21:02 yeah, he definitely didn't want to come over here Feb 26 06:21:08 http://www.myspace.com/moskito166 Feb 26 06:21:08 there is definitely one IP address accessing the 1.4 patches feed, at a speed which seems to match someone updating patches Feb 26 06:21:23 btw.... 1:21am EST and no updates here Feb 26 06:21:23 @intron: yeah, I agree. 3x3 looks more elegant tho :) Feb 26 06:21:30 lol Feb 26 06:21:44 one IP? is he the only guy in vietnam with a palm? Feb 26 06:21:50 lol Feb 26 06:21:58 intron: all of Bell Mobile comes in from a single IP Feb 26 06:22:00 y did i get kicked out Feb 26 06:22:03 palmnam. There can be only one. Feb 26 06:22:10 haha Feb 26 06:22:19 he's on holiday.. Feb 26 06:22:21 @ghost cuz you were spamming Feb 26 06:22:22 xxghostxx: just a friendly warning :-) welcome back. Feb 26 06:22:38 he's on a german pre with a dutch sim card Feb 26 06:22:42 ???? all i said was 1.4 woot woot Feb 26 06:22:59 xxghostxx: yeah, I was trigger happy from LOKO :-) Feb 26 06:23:07 lol Feb 26 06:23:11 lol Feb 26 06:23:13 oh lol Feb 26 06:23:14 Don't you know you're not supposed to W00T in IRC? Feb 26 06:23:16 hahaha Feb 26 06:23:22 one too many W00ts Feb 26 06:23:27 funny thing he is my friend Feb 26 06:23:34 precentral forum now loading? timing out Feb 26 06:23:41 When you /kick someone for w00ting, is that called a "w00t off"?? Feb 26 06:23:41 it happens trim81 Feb 26 06:23:49 @trim81 yeah me too Feb 26 06:23:49 ghost: don't complain :) rwhitby: so does that translate to 1 pre accessing 1.4 update feeds? Feb 26 06:23:49 it's reeeeeaaaaly slow Feb 26 06:23:50 timing out for me too trim81...... Feb 26 06:23:55 lol Feb 26 06:23:57 na wootoff is over :) Feb 26 06:23:59 yeah, the forum is timing out for me too Feb 26 06:24:02 I get that a lot happens when the forums flood with people Feb 26 06:24:06 I was just on there Feb 26 06:24:11 we have a second device accessing the feed Feb 26 06:24:14 it was working fine at least 10 minutes ago Feb 26 06:24:15 forum times out for me every night 'round this time. Feb 26 06:24:18 maintenance? Feb 26 06:24:21 2nd device.now?? Feb 26 06:24:22 Usually only lasts 10 or 15 mins. Feb 26 06:24:23 woooow Feb 26 06:24:27 rwhitby 2 devices now? :O Feb 26 06:24:31 Nice Feb 26 06:24:33 @rwhitby another device updating then? Feb 26 06:24:33 omg Feb 26 06:24:34 yessss reverse the IP Feb 26 06:24:37 what country? Feb 26 06:24:39 So the first probably wasn't in error Feb 26 06:24:42 rwhitby: can you trace the IPs? Feb 26 06:24:47 r u guys redy 4 ...1.4 Feb 26 06:24:50 ok Tomi666 is confirmed. IP and patch list matches. Feb 26 06:24:52 Whois it! lol Feb 26 06:24:58 sweet! Feb 26 06:24:58 nice! Feb 26 06:24:58 sweet Feb 26 06:25:00 Winner winner! Feb 26 06:25:02 wow Feb 26 06:25:04 nice! Feb 26 06:25:07 nice :D Feb 26 06:25:08 yesssssssssssssssss woot woot Feb 26 06:25:09 so it's official Feb 26 06:25:11 getting ready to patch jstop if necessary Feb 26 06:25:12 chicken dinner Feb 26 06:25:15 shhh... no woots Feb 26 06:25:19 give tomi props for sharing Feb 26 06:25:22 lol Feb 26 06:25:23 lol Feb 26 06:25:24 sorry Feb 26 06:25:40 GSM gets update first, but with less apps, kinda disappointing Feb 26 06:25:41 wish I could get back to the thread but no dice Feb 26 06:25:43 hannclaps 4 tomi Feb 26 06:25:43 I'll probably remove <1.3.5 support Feb 26 06:25:44 I want to hear the 2nd user Feb 26 06:25:46 and for killing precentral :P Feb 26 06:25:51 precentral is not updating for me anymore Feb 26 06:25:55 Looks like AUPT is working for him so far - he's gone through 9 patches so far Feb 26 06:25:58 I guess its the least they deserve for not having paid apps yet Feb 26 06:26:02 but to be honest, I can care less about video capturing...I want FLASH!! Feb 26 06:26:07 1:25 in miami florida, still no update...only the fake application update crap Feb 26 06:26:09 @ : why would it? Dev's have had it for a bit now Feb 26 06:26:17 lol R.I.P precentral.com Feb 26 06:26:20 trim81: it probably wont get relased for awhile :( Feb 26 06:26:20 Oh You guys have the fake application update stuff too? Feb 26 06:26:30 me too Feb 26 06:26:31 yea Feb 26 06:26:32 PreCentral always times out at this time of day Feb 26 06:26:34 @toaster, yah sucks I know Feb 26 06:26:35 miami fl, here too Feb 26 06:26:36 P|C going down this time of day is normal. Feb 26 06:26:47 I must have broken the forum :P Feb 26 06:26:48 rwhitby: so 2 IP's have acessed 1.4? Feb 26 06:26:49 Phew, k cool. I've had it for a day or two now and its really bothering me >.< Feb 26 06:26:52 i hope it goes away with 1.4 cuz i cant stand it Feb 26 06:27:00 dude about 2 more hours for PST 26th Feb 26 06:27:05 guess since I'm normally sleeping at this time.... Feb 26 06:27:08 hmm - he stopped at No network time zone error Feb 26 06:27:14 "Looks like AUPT is working for him so far - he's gone through 9 patches so far" +1 for WebOS Internals. Thank you Rod, Eric and everyone else. Feb 26 06:27:22 don't get too excited trim... its the 26th here and nothing yet Feb 26 06:27:23 we must track down this second user and study his ways Feb 26 06:27:27 mjkjr: don't count those chickens just yet ... Feb 26 06:27:30 well i kno im not going to sleep any time soon Feb 26 06:27:46 me to Feb 26 06:27:50 night everyone Feb 26 06:27:52 yeah....while i am here, thanks to all the webos internals guys.... you people are freaking amazing! Feb 26 06:27:53 lol @lol hahahaha Feb 26 06:27:54 Precentral is back Feb 26 06:27:59 I'm only going to get about hrs sleep Feb 26 06:28:00 gnight Feb 26 06:28:01 it is Feb 26 06:28:08 oops 5 hrs Feb 26 06:28:10 @rwhitby: oh come on Feb 26 06:28:15 not for me Feb 26 06:28:20 I got no forums .. hey seem down Feb 26 06:28:31 P|C going down this time of day is normal. Feb 26 06:28:42 rwhitby: keep updating us about the AUPT success :) Feb 26 06:28:55 Forums back up for me Feb 26 06:28:55 I guess I should fix app vendor patch today before I update Feb 26 06:28:59 does AUPT work with themes? Feb 26 06:29:07 trim81: no Feb 26 06:29:09 no Feb 26 06:29:13 darn Feb 26 06:29:16 remove theme Feb 26 06:29:18 trim81: remove theme before update Feb 26 06:29:37 Do you have to remove the dialer skin and splash screens also? I didnt do a full theme Feb 26 06:29:51 multitasking between the browser and wIRC is so easy on the Pre :-D Feb 26 06:29:58 i doctored may pre today, and i wonder why my pictures and songs are still there Feb 26 06:30:00 ok, he's hit update feeds again Feb 26 06:30:04 Sukiyaki: did you manually change it? Feb 26 06:30:18 I did it via QI tweaks Feb 26 06:30:26 just wanted to say, times like this wIRC is the shiiiiiiiicht Feb 26 06:30:27 @rwhitby: pretty cool you can see all that Feb 26 06:30:29 But not the themer section Feb 26 06:30:29 thanks Feb 26 06:30:45 mjkjr: all I see is "GET /feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0/Packages.gz" Feb 26 06:30:53 @mjkjr it is his server, so he can see everything lol Feb 26 06:30:56 Fortes: New doctor does not erase internal storage Feb 26 06:30:58 @rwhitby it's still cool Feb 26 06:31:07 just doing "tail -f ipkg.preware.org-access.log | grep patches/1.4.0" on the server Feb 26 06:31:08 oh Feb 26 06:31:32 Sukiyaki: does WOSQI remember you changed those? Feb 26 06:31:45 hi Feb 26 06:31:50 ah grep... better than sex. Feb 26 06:31:53 yes Kyusaku Feb 26 06:32:12 forums still down guys? Feb 26 06:32:19 forum up Feb 26 06:32:19 back up now Feb 26 06:32:24 no its up Feb 26 06:32:56 back up but slow Feb 26 06:33:01 1:32 EST..... no update yet :( Feb 26 06:33:02 mobile site is down Feb 26 06:33:14 precentral timeout again Feb 26 06:33:26 Sukiyaki: you might want to remove them, then. Sounds like WOSQI might save some kind of config on the Pre and the OTA update might revert your files back to stock and confuse WOSQI Feb 26 06:33:37 rwhitby congradulation on the *partial* success of the AUPT system! Hope it flows without any problems Feb 26 06:33:42 back Feb 26 06:33:49 Ok, I'll remove them to be on the safeside. Thanx Feb 26 06:33:56 Tomi666's IP matches as VietNam Post and Telecom Corporation (VNPT) Feb 26 06:34:14 very nice Feb 26 06:34:23 sweet Feb 26 06:34:24 and hey, its cool you get to have this one test run, instead of thousands of Palm users having problems :) Feb 26 06:34:24 Wow. Someone told the truth. Shocking. Feb 26 06:34:26 how can I get rid of the 'fake app update'?? is driving me carzy Feb 26 06:34:42 yeah I get the fake app update too Feb 26 06:34:45 its really annoying Feb 26 06:34:47 @cardshark lol Feb 26 06:34:47 me too i have he same bug too Feb 26 06:34:51 rwhitby: tomi is still on the forum Feb 26 06:34:54 maybe he just pointed his browser to the 1.4 page to make it look real Feb 26 06:34:54 sounds like tomi is having the best holiday a Pre owner can have Feb 26 06:35:08 what about the other pre? what country? Feb 26 06:35:25 treo2preo: what page? Feb 26 06:35:50 x`How many people on this forum have their Update app on constant update right now? Feb 26 06:36:01 no update for france now Feb 26 06:36:12 I do Feb 26 06:36:14 assumedly the location, per rwhitby /feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0/Packages.gz Feb 26 06:36:23 I sure do Feb 26 06:36:23 treo2preo: Preware detects the OS version, there's no "page to make it look real" Feb 26 06:36:34 Fair enough Feb 26 06:37:12 treo2preo: a browser will show up differently from Preware Feb 26 06:37:14 dam this pre talk is making me want to make a jack in the box run for an all nigter Feb 26 06:37:14 rwhitby has even confirmed he updated to the 1.4 version of patches he had Feb 26 06:37:21 lol die hard palm guy aint i Feb 26 06:37:43 any word on the other pre? Feb 26 06:37:58 http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/232480-downloading-1-4-a-14.html#post2251010 Feb 26 06:38:01 ugh Feb 26 06:38:02 I wish the Chicago area had a Chick-fil-A Feb 26 06:38:04 trolls at it again Feb 26 06:38:26 Oooh man, this brings back some memories.. I haven't used IRC in at least 10 years. Feb 26 06:38:42 good point, so why only a handful so far? thoughts? Feb 26 06:39:34 this is my first time using IRC Feb 26 06:40:23 this is my first time using a computer Feb 26 06:40:26 lol Feb 26 06:40:30 the amount of people and excitement in the webos community is pretty intense Feb 26 06:40:32 ;) Feb 26 06:40:39 and lol @recc Feb 26 06:40:42 *rexx Feb 26 06:40:44 Decerto: ditto. LOL Feb 26 06:40:53 omg im so excited Feb 26 06:40:56 MNAMESALEX: just wish it would grow : / Feb 26 06:40:57 2931 currently active users @ precentral Feb 26 06:41:15 ? Feb 26 06:41:23 for Palm's sake Feb 26 06:41:31 ???? Feb 26 06:41:31 that's like half the pre's out there... j/k Feb 26 06:41:41 lo Feb 26 06:41:42 lol Feb 26 06:41:46 yea Feb 26 06:41:56 I just about have my sister talked into a pre, she lives in texas tho, so hasnt seen my phone Feb 26 06:41:57 yeah i think i got that dick joke.... a little out there though.... Feb 26 06:42:10 wat lol Feb 26 06:42:17 I've sold 3 guys the pre in the past month Feb 26 06:42:27 Everytime I begin or end a call the volume indicator pops up. It that normal or maybe from a patch I installed? Feb 26 06:42:27 are we going to wait for LA time Feb 26 06:42:27 One people see it in action, they really love it Feb 26 06:42:30 slangin pre's Feb 26 06:42:42 My volume indicator was being annoying too earlier Feb 26 06:42:42 *Once Feb 26 06:42:49 When I first got my phone my supervisor asked for it DAILY. he would just say over and over. This is a NICE phone. Feb 26 06:42:51 a couple reboots and jiggling of the silent switch fixed it right up Feb 26 06:43:16 This is "webos internals" If the discussion doesn't pertain to that you should direct your browser to www.precentral.net Thank you Feb 26 06:43:22 bdubdrum: That's a patch. Feb 26 06:43:33 was there ever an ip search on the second pre with 1.4 Feb 26 06:43:46 ? Feb 26 06:43:48 I felt bad today, a female coworker was checking it out, she was like this is really nice...then she states wish I knew about it before I bought my bold last week...doh! Feb 26 06:43:56 @Decerto, what patch would it be? lol Feb 26 06:44:10 rdog: second one was in Japan Feb 26 06:44:21 Hello everybody. Feb 26 06:44:25 sweet thanks Feb 26 06:44:25 were you go Feb 26 06:44:26 hey Feb 26 06:44:29 we have #3 Feb 26 06:44:33 JShamoon: if she got it last week its still under 30 days. Make her return it! Feb 26 06:44:35 weee!!! Feb 26 06:44:35 whats going on guys? Feb 26 06:44:41 sweet, which country for #3 Feb 26 06:44:42 sweet 3 1.4 devices! :D Feb 26 06:44:44 excited Feb 26 06:44:47 2's a crowd, 3's a party! Feb 26 06:44:47 rwhitby.... all from asia so far? Feb 26 06:44:48 lol Feb 26 06:44:49 @rwhitby damn wish 1.4 would show some love here in Puerto Rico! ;) Feb 26 06:44:50 sounds like a trend Feb 26 06:44:51 Wow Feb 26 06:44:52 #3: TAIPEI CITY Feb 26 06:44:56 O_o Feb 26 06:45:01 update on ip when possible please Feb 26 06:45:04 yup.... asia first...... hmmmm interesting Feb 26 06:45:04 we going to wait to LA time Feb 26 06:45:04 wow md,usa Feb 26 06:45:07 so it looks like GSM users get tem first Feb 26 06:45:10 its cropping up on random Pre's all over asia Feb 26 06:45:13 so its spreading from vietnam westward? Feb 26 06:45:13 maybe updates are time triggered Feb 26 06:45:15 Taipei City, Taiwan Feb 26 06:45:16 their time is afterall 26th Feb 26 06:45:17 thats going to take aday! Feb 26 06:45:20 DC usa Feb 26 06:45:25 and those are just Preware users correct? Feb 26 06:45:26 bdubdrum: It's the one that turns off sounds while in a call.. Don't recall the exact name. But the volume indicator is just the patch turning off the volume, then turning it back up when you finish the call. Feb 26 06:45:34 Does anybody have a broken Pre or Pixi? Feb 26 06:45:39 #3 has updated 14 patches so far .... Feb 26 06:45:41 Which means there are a LOT more 1.4 updates going on...nice Feb 26 06:45:42 @trim... its the 26th here too ;) Feb 26 06:45:43 omg Feb 26 06:45:51 yea does Feb 26 06:45:52 Is it the "Really Silent Ringer Patch" Feb 26 06:45:53 does it confirm if it is 1.4 final, or a prerelease? Feb 26 06:46:00 im wat Feb 26 06:46:08 sweet keep us up to date on the aupt Feb 26 06:46:12 u got a messed up pre Feb 26 06:46:14 Just like the NEXT GREAT PLAGUE Feb 26 06:46:17 dannns: 1.4 final and pre-release show up differently on the server, this is final Feb 26 06:46:24 no i got a new one now Feb 26 06:46:36 lol when ? Feb 26 06:46:45 2days ago Feb 26 06:46:53 wow really Feb 26 06:46:57 yea Feb 26 06:47:03 @Decerto thank you very much Feb 26 06:47:04 btw u owe some headphones Feb 26 06:47:07 of course it's a PRErelease LOL Feb 26 06:47:09 My 4th Pre is on the way now Feb 26 06:47:09 you know how sprint is wit me Feb 26 06:47:12 and also the fact that he had to update patches Feb 26 06:47:14 lol Feb 26 06:47:17 i've had bad luck with the hardware from bell Feb 26 06:47:37 yea Feb 26 06:47:38 ey u kno u owe some headphones Feb 26 06:47:39 punny stuff Feb 26 06:47:45 Does anybody have a non-fuctional or broken Pre or Pixi? Feb 26 06:47:46 1.4 where r u Feb 26 06:47:49 if they have patches, they must be reading precentral, i wonder why they don't check in--perhaps they are employed by palm in some way? Feb 26 06:47:52 no y Feb 26 06:47:52 why? Feb 26 06:47:58 you neeed one Feb 26 06:48:06 cause u lost mine a hole lol Feb 26 06:48:08 its been nice but I've got to stay awake for a 12 hr shift tomorrow. I will make sure I take my charger to work so I dont have to wait til nightfall Feb 26 06:48:09 why u need a broken one? Feb 26 06:48:15 lol no i didnt Feb 26 06:48:17 Good night all Feb 26 06:48:20 it was my son Feb 26 06:48:28 lol where r they????????/ Feb 26 06:48:34 @rwhitby: I'd like to know when someone updates about 40 successfully ;-) Feb 26 06:48:34 idk Feb 26 06:48:44 @MYNAMESALEX Because I want to feel it in my hands, lol. Feb 26 06:48:51 lol dand it well u think u could get me some Feb 26 06:48:57 ? Feb 26 06:49:01 210.80.x.x updates again Feb 26 06:49:04 maybe Feb 26 06:49:11 123.22.x.x updates again Feb 26 06:49:17 is 210.80 vietnam? Feb 26 06:49:22 yep Feb 26 06:49:26 wooot UPDATES!!!!!!!! Feb 26 06:49:30 no, taipei Feb 26 06:49:30 bdubdrum: "No Alert During Call" was the name of the patch. Feb 26 06:49:45 @LOLer why don't u go to a carrier store and ask to see the demo pre? Feb 26 06:49:52 do any of them use sms one per contact? Feb 26 06:49:54 i need my update Feb 26 06:50:04 ok, time to doctor my dev GSM Pre to 1.3.5.2 to see if it will get an update Feb 26 06:50:12 s/doctor/meta-doctor/ Feb 26 06:50:12 rwhitby meant: ok, time to meta-doctor my dev GSM Pre to 1.3.5.2 to see if it will get an update Feb 26 06:50:21 Because I'm not from US or Europe. I'm from Latin America, and we don't have webOS here yet. Feb 26 06:50:31 210.90.x.x updates ? mean? are there for real? Feb 26 06:50:32 lol Feb 26 06:50:33 oh i see Feb 26 06:50:45 so ur like... a hardcore long distance fan Feb 26 06:50:48 that sucks major B@LLs Feb 26 06:50:50 is infobot a person or what Feb 26 06:50:56 bot Feb 26 06:51:02 thats a lot like being in a long distance relationship with a girl online huh? Feb 26 06:51:08 infobot is always correcting people when im in here Feb 26 06:51:10 sucks Feb 26 06:51:17 Yeah... Really considering buying one, but I can't at all. Feb 26 06:51:29 @Decerto Perfect, thank you found it. Feb 26 06:51:29 just a polite warning to folks that we keep the language clean in this channel. Feb 26 06:51:29 it recognizes awk syntax, apparently Feb 26 06:51:31 unless u fork over 600 to buy it online? Feb 26 06:51:32 palm were is DC update Feb 26 06:51:36 w/o contract Feb 26 06:51:42 or md Feb 26 06:51:46 update Feb 26 06:51:50 How do you PM in here? Feb 26 06:51:52 us Feb 26 06:51:59 lol Feb 26 06:52:01 u can PM?? Feb 26 06:52:03 bdubdrum: /msg Feb 26 06:52:13 crazy Feb 26 06:52:15 ya Feb 26 06:52:19 IRC just got a little better Feb 26 06:52:21 Yeah, but it has to be GSM, and it's a little more difficult. I also want a Pixi, so it's worse. Feb 26 06:52:42 im out this has been fun Feb 26 06:52:48 y pixi Feb 26 06:52:51 ? Feb 26 06:53:07 form factor i guess. same reason any pixi fan likes it Feb 26 06:53:14 true Feb 26 06:53:16 Because I don't like sliders that much. I prefer having the keyboard exposed. Feb 26 06:53:17 its neat, i would perfer the pixi myself Feb 26 06:53:21 but no games? Feb 26 06:53:22 no dice Feb 26 06:53:29 MYNAMESALEX: btw, you might want to log out and come back with a nick that is not all upper case Feb 26 06:53:35 I rely heavily on keyboards. Nah, I don't care that much for 3D games. Feb 26 06:53:43 lol ill stay with my pre Feb 26 06:53:54 or you can type /nick whatevername Feb 26 06:54:03 lol Feb 26 06:54:09 Nicks with all upper case are more likely to be accidentally kicked :-) Feb 26 06:54:16 hehe Feb 26 06:54:25 :P Feb 26 06:54:36 does anybody here has xbox live? Feb 26 06:54:45 better? Feb 26 06:54:48 yep Feb 26 06:55:12 sweet Feb 26 06:55:18 A reminder to folks to keep the discussion on-topic too. We're here to talk about verification of 1.4 (which has now happened) and AUPT progress. Feb 26 06:55:43 my updater Feb 26 06:55:46 +1 on that rwhitby Feb 26 06:55:47 doesnt even check right now Feb 26 06:55:48 A reminder that all discussion here is publicly logged too. Feb 26 06:56:02 And Google will search it. Feb 26 06:56:04 i hit refresh and it says its done right awway Feb 26 06:56:13 really!? Feb 26 06:56:26 yep Feb 26 06:56:31 It sure it if you click the little link at the top left of your screen you can read everything Feb 26 06:56:35 any new news on success of the AUPT Feb 26 06:56:36 On 2/26, Friday evening, Pre and Pixi device users will receive an Over the Air (OTA) notification to download the new 1.4 webOS software release. Feb 26 06:56:47 good so far? Feb 26 06:56:48 Nite, enjoy! Feb 26 06:56:52 so how many hours left Feb 26 06:57:00 you are quoting something that was soon after removed...so who knows! Feb 26 06:57:08 There are people in other timezones who read the logs of the channel, they will get a shock when they read the last 30 minutes - let's not have it continue. Feb 26 06:57:27 lol Feb 26 06:57:53 k. bye rod Feb 26 06:58:01 *waves* Feb 26 06:58:08 no new 1.4 accesses i the last 10 minutes Feb 26 06:58:14 boo Feb 26 06:58:18 I'm sure when they first see the join flood they'll think bot flood Feb 26 06:58:37 wow only three. Feb 26 06:58:39 videos of pre 1.4 up ye? Feb 26 06:58:44 nice quirk Feb 26 06:58:51 It seems like there should be a lot more then just 3 pre users over there :P Feb 26 06:58:54 we've had over 2000 accesses in that same timeframe Feb 26 06:59:19 holy cow Feb 26 06:59:48 BTW, if you jut want to shoot the breeze, #webos-watercooler is the channel for that Feb 26 06:59:56 I was hoping for a full world wide roll out. looks promising now Feb 26 07:00:01 I'm wondering if unlocked ROM has some kind of time trigger for the update Feb 26 07:00:20 Kyusaku: my understanding is that the update server does it in chunks of serial numbers Feb 26 07:00:45 Nobody uses that rwhitby :P Feb 26 07:01:13 rwhitby: oh really? That's interesting though that most of the reported 1.4s are in close enough time zones Feb 26 07:01:56 or at least ones you've identified Feb 26 07:02:40 yeah, remember that less than 2% of webOS devices run Preware Feb 26 07:02:52 #4: 206.207.x.x Feb 26 07:03:01 woah, which country Feb 26 07:03:07 country? Feb 26 07:03:10 that's a new one Feb 26 07:03:11 that's unreal. less than 2%, they're missing out on so much Feb 26 07:03:24 what?!? where did you get that percentage from rod? Feb 26 07:03:25 yeah no kidding..homebrew and patches make the pre Feb 26 07:03:43 Is watercooler +m? Feb 26 07:03:49 false alarm, #4 is a browser Feb 26 07:03:53 Yes Feb 26 07:04:06 dang Feb 26 07:04:08 SirataXero: we believe there are about 25K Preware users Feb 26 07:04:59 that didnt work... Feb 26 07:05:45 I love how someone in the comments on the PC front page article says "US product should get this update first." Feb 26 07:06:00 Like it a law of nature or something :-) Feb 26 07:06:06 That yes was to you CardShark. Feb 26 07:06:07 Not all us yanks are that arrogant.. Feb 26 07:06:09 im sry if i missed but any luck with your dev gsm pre? Feb 26 07:06:16 I support that, but only because I'm in the US, lol Feb 26 07:06:23 dev GSM Pre has just finished meta-doctor Feb 26 07:06:34 sweet Feb 26 07:06:37 im in the us and am glad to finally see a full rollout of an update Feb 26 07:06:55 rwhitby: I was kinda disappointed to see 1.4 didn't bring GSM users paid apps. Feb 26 07:07:04 Good luck Rod, hopefully you'll get your update Feb 26 07:07:11 still now new accesses Feb 26 07:07:18 s/now/no/ Feb 26 07:07:19 rwhitby meant: still no new accesses Feb 26 07:07:28 fingers aren't working this afternoon Feb 26 07:07:35 lol Feb 26 07:07:39 no worries rod Feb 26 07:07:53 Paid apps in 1.5 in 2011 Feb 26 07:08:00 gettin unable to connect for me, havent seen that yeah..maybe yay? Feb 26 07:08:11 Unable to connect here in Chicago Feb 26 07:08:38 It's still 2/25 on the west coast. Feb 26 07:08:42 Stop checking Feb 26 07:09:06 ok, let's get this puppy on wifi and logged into a profile ... Feb 26 07:09:13 west coast time didnt effect vietnam...lol Feb 26 07:09:14 1.3.5.1 in central time Feb 26 07:09:16 unable to connect in Miami as well Feb 26 07:09:24 Whats a good memory checking app? Feb 26 07:09:32 1.3.5.1 EST, Jersey Feb 26 07:09:34 Vietnam has a mind of it's own Feb 26 07:09:36 Tennesee exactly Feb 26 07:09:37 @rwhitby good luck! Feb 26 07:09:49 Toasterthegamer: like memory tester? Feb 26 07:09:59 working for me in miami Feb 26 07:10:01 hmm no like process managaer Feb 26 07:10:07 top Feb 26 07:10:15 jstop Feb 26 07:10:28 top is better :P Feb 26 07:10:33 jstop doesnt have the PDK stuff Feb 26 07:10:48 top is comandline only right? Feb 26 07:10:51 yep Feb 26 07:10:54 Correct Feb 26 07:11:08 hmm yeah I guess I can just use that lol Feb 26 07:12:40 hey geist, you're up late. Feb 26 07:12:40 any new webos devices trying to update? Feb 26 07:12:46 it's only 11pm Feb 26 07:13:01 ah, right. my mistake. Feb 26 07:13:42 hmm - that was weird, my first use app just disappeared. Feb 26 07:13:49 @rwhitby what time is it over where you at? Feb 26 07:14:31 Niris777: 5:45pm Friday arvo Feb 26 07:15:17 it's already friday there? that's un american Feb 26 07:16:01 rwhitby lives in the future Feb 26 07:16:10 lol Feb 26 07:16:31 geist: lots of things are un-american here, but not enough ;-) Feb 26 07:16:34 20 minutes into the future Feb 26 07:17:01 ouch Feb 26 07:17:03 rwhitby: interested to hear about new additions on the backend of 1.4.0 when its out. Feb 26 07:17:09 we're not all bad Feb 26 07:17:21 Only people from alaksa are Feb 26 07:17:39 :- ) Feb 26 07:17:48 rdog: I lived in Mountain View for a year in 1991, I know america well :-) Feb 26 07:18:19 what state is that in? Feb 26 07:18:20 Mountain View is a skewed view of America Rod ;) Feb 26 07:18:31 california Feb 26 07:18:35 ahh Feb 26 07:18:37 Eguy: yeah, I've travelled to enough other parts of the US to know that too :-) Feb 26 07:18:39 MV is the next town up from sunnyvale Feb 26 07:18:42 about 2 miles from here Feb 26 07:18:55 It's where google is Feb 26 07:19:00 you got to come to the south. completely different. Feb 26 07:19:10 Sunnyvale? Isn't that where dreams come true? Feb 26 07:19:16 rdog: have been to Austin many times Feb 26 07:19:25 im about to change my router to vietnam time zone turn off radio on pre n check update with just wifi on..lol Feb 26 07:19:27 ahh Feb 26 07:19:33 and Urbana Champaign Feb 26 07:19:37 and Seattle Feb 26 07:19:44 Seriously nismo? Feb 26 07:19:47 Skiied lots at Tahoe Feb 26 07:19:51 Just wait 12 hours Feb 26 07:19:59 im just messin =) Feb 26 07:20:18 Didn't take you for a skier rwhitby. Feb 26 07:20:29 Eguy: back in 1991 .... Feb 26 07:20:38 Hehe Feb 26 07:20:39 nismo: it would've been cool if it worked tho lol Feb 26 07:21:08 still no new 1.4 patch accesses Feb 26 07:21:16 man Feb 26 07:21:44 Are there many Pre's in Asia? Feb 26 07:21:48 we're all holding breath over here. Feb 26 07:22:20 remmeber: tomi666 is on holiday, his pre is an unloclked german built Feb 26 07:22:22 rwhitby: you have chops just in case there are idiots coming or something? Feb 26 07:22:31 so its not an asian pre Feb 26 07:22:37 cryptk|work: they've come and gone Feb 26 07:23:26 213.20.x.x access Feb 26 07:23:29 ahh... Feb 26 07:23:41 is that #4? Feb 26 07:23:49 which country Feb 26 07:23:58 Germany Feb 26 07:24:05 its like x-mas Feb 26 07:24:07 Ja Feb 26 07:24:23 rwhitby: makes you wonder what percentage of that 25k Preware users are GSM Pres users Feb 26 07:24:37 Kyusaku: I'd say a much lower percentage than CDMA Feb 26 07:24:43 much much Feb 26 07:25:11 so, does anyone remember if 1.3.5 to 1.4 will update over wifi? Feb 26 07:25:22 I don't have a SIM in my dev GSM pre Feb 26 07:25:47 I always do my updates over wifi Feb 26 07:26:03 yeah, just wondering if it will trigger over wifi Feb 26 07:26:11 it should Feb 26 07:26:35 good question ive been trying all night over wifi Feb 26 07:26:59 didn't you do AUPT tests by updating via wifi? Feb 26 07:27:04 The US won't get it until afternoon tomorrow or evening Feb 26 07:27:29 FYI tomi666 is close to posting a vid over at PC Feb 26 07:27:30 hi Feb 26 07:27:57 hey metaview_pre - got an update yet? Feb 26 07:28:10 hi Feb 26 07:28:14 213.20.x.x is updating patches Feb 26 07:28:24 sweet Feb 26 07:28:24 rwhitby: if you're right about the serial number business using wifi should be fine Feb 26 07:28:35 Country? Feb 26 07:28:44 rdog: Germany Feb 26 07:28:44 Deutcheland Feb 26 07:28:52 I've tried to add and commit a readme to duke, but it doesn't work? Feb 26 07:29:01 cool Feb 26 07:29:04 metaview_pre: autobuilder is off Feb 26 07:29:15 metaview_pre: but git should be working fine Feb 26 07:29:39 So AUPT worked rwhitby? Feb 26 07:30:10 We are/were? planning to do a major server upgrade on Tuesday. We've turned the autobuilder off while we transfer some TBs of data across to a new disk array ahead of time. Feb 26 07:30:31 Eguy: AUPT will work, and there will be people who have problems. Feb 26 07:31:17 I don't think tomi's pre exploded into 10 million pieces though so I guess it is alrght. Feb 26 07:31:25 s/alrght/alright/ Feb 26 07:31:25 Eguy meant: I don't think tomi's pre exploded into 10 million pieces though so I guess it is alright. Feb 26 07:31:51 rwhitby: how do you guys do this stuff for free it seems like so much time is involved/ Feb 26 07:32:00 rwhitby: I m going to work right now, will look at it in around 8 hours Feb 26 07:32:10 his patches went through without a hitch, but some people have more patches and patches that don't like each other very well Feb 26 07:32:23 sweet Feb 26 07:32:35 how many did he have to update? Feb 26 07:32:38 Particularly device menu ones Feb 26 07:33:09 some of the launcher ones don't play well either Feb 26 07:34:03 You must be a member of Dharma to get the update Feb 26 07:34:34 Kyusaku: from what I saw, not all his patches went through. Did he say they did? Feb 26 07:34:46 I thought you had to sell your soul away JShamoon? Feb 26 07:36:22 rwhitby: he notes here no specific problems with patches at all, except for greg roll's messaging plugin http://forums.precentral.net/2251103-post592.html Feb 26 07:37:10 Nah, just your dignity Feb 26 07:37:23 Video upload in progress Feb 26 07:37:29 See you on the other side Feb 26 07:37:36 I'm lights out now Feb 26 07:38:19 hi Feb 26 07:38:28 Video upload in progress Feb 26 07:39:07 omg so excited Feb 26 07:39:55 Kyusaku: http://forums.precentral.net/2251023-post540.html <- one patch didn't update. normal top-bar conflict probably. Feb 26 07:41:42 8:41 already and no update Feb 26 07:42:32 perhaps at 10 Feb 26 07:43:17 I'm glad that someone like tomi666 got it first - he's a level headed person: "It's just an update. It's not top 10 material as getting married or having a kid." Feb 26 07:43:30 haha Feb 26 07:43:37 very true Feb 26 07:43:43 " Feb 26 07:44:01 ok, my Pre is now unable to connect to the update server Feb 26 07:44:28 *fingers crossed* Feb 26 07:44:38 213.20.x.x updates 3 patches Feb 26 07:44:50 is that 5 Feb 26 07:45:08 that's #4 still Feb 26 07:45:13 ok Feb 26 07:45:15 love this comment: "why do you only get it how come other peopel from vietnam dont say anything?" Feb 26 07:45:28 like everyone in Vietnam with a Pre reads PreCentral ... Feb 26 07:45:47 why wouldn't they be? Feb 26 07:45:57 haha Feb 26 07:46:05 well Feb 26 07:46:08 i tried to make it Feb 26 07:46:10 but class comes early Feb 26 07:46:50 out of the four did all patches update..... - the one top bar Feb 26 07:47:22 rdog: I can't tell if they update successfully or not Feb 26 07:47:29 rwhitby: Are surprises like the 1.3 update had with preware expected with 1.4? Feb 26 07:47:39 ahh i see Feb 26 07:47:57 Mercury: nope Feb 26 07:48:10 Good to know, thanks. Feb 26 07:48:16 (well, we're not aware of any at this stage) Feb 26 07:48:21 * Mercury grins. Feb 26 07:48:32 And they are not doing a massive change to how packages are installed. Feb 26 07:49:29 His video upload is failing Feb 26 07:49:31 Mercury: well, not that we know of :-) they could do anything in the OTA process and we'd have no advance knowledge Feb 26 07:49:51 True. Feb 26 07:50:41 could be an issue with the wifi he is on Feb 26 07:51:14 True Feb 26 07:51:16 Night kids Feb 26 07:51:19 he did say it was pretty slow and the upload could be timing out Feb 26 07:51:19 see you on 1.4 Feb 26 07:51:50 the shadows in the video are the right length for the time of day in vietname Feb 26 07:52:07 some keen observation there rod Feb 26 07:52:30 that is technical. are you still a little skeptical? Feb 26 07:52:42 no, I'm not skeptical Feb 26 07:52:47 bb in 8h Feb 26 07:53:31 Goodnight everyone, thanks Rod and co. for all your hard work! Feb 26 07:55:02 no new accesses Feb 26 07:57:42 dang Feb 26 07:58:05 how does it happen that only a few end up with it? Feb 26 07:58:23 i dont get the glitch... Feb 26 07:58:55 is it on a server somewhere already? Feb 26 07:58:58 too early in Germany? Feb 26 07:59:09 it's rolled out by blocks of serial numbers I believe Feb 26 07:59:45 ahh i see Feb 26 08:00:23 and less than 2% of webOS users use preware, and a small percentage of them use patches, and a small percentage of them are GSM Feb 26 08:01:04 so i guess it is possible that all the german pres could update to 1.4? Feb 26 08:01:41 why does GSM matter? Feb 26 08:01:47 if all were updating at the same time, I would expect more accesses (and would expect one of my two German Pre's to update) Feb 26 08:02:13 geist: it seems there are less GSM users of Preware than Sprint users from anecdotal evidence Feb 26 08:02:20 ahhh Feb 26 08:02:31 so you're seeing it phone home the mothership or something? Feb 26 08:02:34 so maybe not a small percentage, but a smaller percentage Feb 26 08:02:52 I'm seeing Preware accessing the feeds - no indications other than IP address. Feb 26 08:03:01 (looking at apache logs on the server) Feb 26 08:03:22 tail -f ipkg.preware.org-access.log | grep patches/1.4.0 Feb 26 08:03:23 did you resolve IPs #2-4? are they from vietnam too? Feb 26 08:03:30 got it Feb 26 08:03:38 vietnam, taipei, japan, germany Feb 26 08:03:41 1 from each Feb 26 08:04:05 I'm assuming they are all GSM from the location Feb 26 08:04:19 hm. that's good news :-) Feb 26 08:04:23 (could be a CDMA on wifi, but far less likely) Feb 26 08:06:22 * rwhitby -> commute Feb 26 08:07:28 hmm, why patches/1.4.0? Feb 26 08:07:41 thought the strings were using webOS/? Feb 26 08:07:58 geist: not user agent - wget for Packages.gz file Feb 26 08:08:17 ahh Feb 26 08:08:17 "GET /feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0/org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-flashlight-in-device-menu_1.4.0-12_all.ipk HTTP/1.1" 200 15382 "-" "Wget" Feb 26 08:08:33 here is a nice comment from pc :So what you good old folks at Pre Central are saying is that we need to go back to war with Vietnam? Because I'll do it for webOS 1.4 wtf.. we are American we should get first dibbs ... okay.. I'm not that much of a patriot but still all i can say is... W....T...F Feb 26 08:08:47 real nice Feb 26 08:09:42 i'm leaving for work, bbl Feb 26 08:09:59 kid probably googled Vietnam war Feb 26 08:10:45 adhd much... Feb 26 08:11:36 i should try preware out one of the days Feb 26 08:11:54 trouble is i essentially cant run production builds, so it'd likely be broken most of the time Feb 26 08:12:35 geist: Why can't you run production builds? Feb 26 08:12:42 you could just tell me when it does :-) Feb 26 08:12:43 cause i work at palm Feb 26 08:13:36 and we really need to be running preproduction stuff to test it Feb 26 08:13:39 geist: That would do it. Feb 26 08:13:45 and the Pre2+ doesn't run Prrware yet ... Feb 26 08:14:28 oh why not? Feb 26 08:14:42 it's basically identical Feb 26 08:15:04 geist: So, can you give me us general email address to send requests to such as 'some form of official SyncML support for synergy would be really nice'? :) Feb 26 08:15:12 no idea Feb 26 08:16:50 * Mercury nods. Feb 26 08:16:54 geist: *2*+ Feb 26 08:17:22 oh Feb 26 08:30:09 omg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xny5MuKx7qM Feb 26 08:30:20 1st palm video Feb 26 08:30:50 ? Feb 26 08:31:03 ghost is probably a registered name Feb 26 08:31:09 if it is yours, did you identify? Feb 26 08:31:54 bit disappointed the video isn't tagged as uploaded via Palm Pre Feb 26 08:32:10 yup true Feb 26 08:32:46 for some reason i thought the video quality would be better Feb 26 08:33:35 really? looks pretty good to me. Feb 26 08:34:16 yea tommi just said that it looks better on the pre Feb 26 08:36:56 good morning Feb 26 08:37:09 lol Feb 26 09:01:08 hmm my 'make stage' didn't make it past ecore http://slexy.org/view/s21LwJhxjp Feb 26 09:01:26 5 IPs Feb 26 09:01:47 114.48.x.x, 123.22.x.x, 208.77.x.x, 213.20.x.x, 218.81.x.x Feb 26 09:01:48 5th location? Feb 26 09:02:07 grep patches/1.4 ipkg.preware.org-access.log | grep Wget | grep 200 | awk '{print $1}' | sort -u Feb 26 09:03:18 which country rod Feb 26 09:03:20 ? Feb 26 09:03:21 China? Feb 26 09:04:21 http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre/232515-got-1-4-a.html Feb 26 09:04:24 USA VERIZON! Feb 26 09:04:26 !!!! Feb 26 09:05:03 rwhitby: you see this? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232515-got-1-4-a.html Feb 26 09:05:18 yep Feb 26 09:05:51 confirmed US? Feb 26 09:08:04 when I try tracing the 5th IP I get China, so unless there is a 6th.... Feb 26 09:08:34 Appalachian Wireless for 208.77 Feb 26 09:13:04 ah I thought that one was the Taipei one Feb 26 09:13:44 they did 13 patches, with an update in the middle Feb 26 09:15:59 that's kind of odd Feb 26 09:16:04 oh, big brother is watching the logs Feb 26 09:16:05 lols Feb 26 09:16:14 "i know what you've installed!" Feb 26 09:16:45 only some german pre phones and a random pre plus on verizon Feb 26 09:17:24 oil: the price of being first and posting about it :-) Feb 26 09:17:32 lol Feb 26 09:17:54 * oil waits for deep evil villain laugh Feb 26 09:18:11 who watches the patchmen Feb 26 09:18:26 lol Feb 26 09:22:42 oil: wait until I start giving them random 404 errors on patches .... Feb 26 09:22:50 lol Feb 26 09:23:04 i bet the number of problems tomorrow is high Feb 26 09:23:16 people not upgrading preware before installing 1.4 to find that bug Feb 26 09:23:27 and not being able to update their patches Feb 26 09:23:40 oil: I'm sure it's going to be a disaster area. Luckily, it's the weekend here, so I won't care. Feb 26 09:23:46 lol Feb 26 09:23:59 thought you were taking the week of 1.4 away from the pc? Feb 26 09:24:00 xD Feb 26 09:24:03 All the PreCentral folks who were here earlier can help people out :-) Feb 26 09:24:29 oil: were you around for the deluge earlier? Feb 26 09:24:48 you said that in a pm weeks ago Feb 26 09:24:51 before you fixed that bug Feb 26 09:25:06 rwhitby: do you know if theres something wrong with ecore? i somehow can't get it to compile Feb 26 09:25:13 http://slexy.org/view/s20f97MKut Feb 26 09:25:53 oil: yep Feb 26 09:26:33 oil: did you miss the deluge earlier? check the logs for about 3.5 hours ago Feb 26 09:26:48 I posted the IRC webchat link on the ZOMG1.4 thread Feb 26 09:27:08 the channel exploded for half an hour, then we exceeded the attention span :-) Feb 26 09:27:36 airmack: dunno, I haven't looked at widk in weeks Feb 26 09:28:26 hmm Feb 26 09:31:41 217.235.x.x, accessing from WebOS Quick Install Feb 26 09:32:17 * oil hits the sack Feb 26 09:32:46 Germany Feb 26 09:33:06 WOSQI is 1.4.0 compatible? Feb 26 09:33:26 don't see why not Feb 26 09:34:08 they've only got the Packages file so far Feb 26 09:44:18 I've got my IRC session on a 46" LCD. The letters seem tiny from the couch. Feb 26 09:49:32 joshua: font size... easy fix... IRC is not a 10' GUI... only a 2' class GUI Feb 26 09:55:08 JOSHUA: IS THIS BETTER? Feb 26 09:59:05 Oh cool, OSX terminal has a key to make it bigger instantly Feb 26 10:02:16 #6: 188.220.x.x Feb 26 10:02:41 great britain Feb 26 10:03:36 O2 Liverpool Residential Dynamic Feb 26 10:04:12 update, but no patches yet Feb 26 10:04:37 another update Feb 26 10:05:50 extrapolating the speed of the 6 updates all of us will get their 1.4 until the end of 2012 ;) Feb 26 10:06:57 I guess I should put some patches on these two phones I meta-doctored back to 1.3.5 Feb 26 10:12:10 188.220.x.x just downloaded 14 patches in a row Feb 26 10:12:16 15 Feb 26 10:12:50 16 Feb 26 10:15:58 two tries on the last patch Feb 26 10:19:21 they're updating again Feb 26 10:20:21 rwhitby: why are yo ucounting the patch thingy? Feb 26 10:20:25 s/yo/you Feb 26 10:21:07 airmack: to see if AUPT is working Feb 26 10:26:28 4 more patches from that guy Feb 26 10:26:37 is this all germany? Feb 26 10:26:49 is 1.4 out in US yet? Feb 26 10:27:07 somebody on verizon had it on precentral Feb 26 10:27:42 no... somebody said they were on verizon and had 1.4... not necessarially true... Feb 26 10:27:56 there have been people teasing in comments for days trying to convince people they have 1.4 Feb 26 10:27:57 think they faked their carrier string? heh Feb 26 10:28:13 5 more from UK Feb 26 10:28:14 the only confirmed ones are GSM I think Feb 26 10:28:16 5 more patches Feb 26 10:28:30 * xaiki has a GSM and still waits for the update =/ Feb 26 10:28:35 there's one confirmed from Kentuky, no idea whether GSM or CDMA Feb 26 10:28:56 the UK guy seems to be having AUPT successes Feb 26 10:32:05 UK guy is Shadow-360 Feb 26 10:35:39 is the kentucky IP in verizon or sprint IP space? Feb 26 10:41:00 couldn't tell Feb 26 10:42:19 joshua: Appalachian Wireless APPWIRELESS-RIM-DATA Feb 26 10:42:49 since people can use Preware over wireless we don't necessarily get the carrier IP range Feb 26 10:57:40 #7: 94.165.x.x Feb 26 10:58:15 H3G Italy SpA Feb 26 10:58:28 and patching Feb 26 10:59:07 If only Palm would post the webos doctor for 1.4 early. I would run that right now if the sprint one was there Feb 26 11:16:22 so.. rwhitby are you staying up for the flood of help requests? Feb 26 11:16:41 cryptk|work: only 9:45pm here Feb 26 11:16:49 ahh, where are you at? Feb 26 11:16:50 I'll be asleep when they all hit Feb 26 11:16:53 AUS? Feb 26 11:16:56 GMT+10:30 Feb 26 11:17:48 Lord Howe Island? Feb 26 11:18:35 ...and AUS Feb 26 11:19:26 South Australia, daylight savings. Feb 26 11:20:21 cool Feb 26 11:35:17 my new e-cig is motivating me to make a "non-smoking" type of app... something where you can put in how many cigs you smoke a day, cost per pack, if you swapped to e-cigs how much your PV cost, how much your fluid costs, how oftin you buy fluid... etc... Feb 26 11:35:48 calculate how long it has been since your last cig, how much money you have saved, how many regular cigs (we call them analogs) you have avoided smoking Feb 26 11:35:52 stuff like that Feb 26 11:41:44 i go to school in 20 miuntes...would sure help if i got 1.4 now :) Feb 26 11:44:09 #8 218.217.x.x Japan Feb 26 11:44:28 so special IP' Feb 26 11:44:33 s are getting it first? Feb 26 11:46:41 sup all Feb 26 11:47:08 I should have said good morning all well some Feb 26 11:48:07 Feb 26 11:48:15 #9: 70.121.x.x US rr.com Feb 26 11:48:31 sup rwhitby Feb 26 11:48:48 1.4's up Feb 26 11:49:00 is it really Feb 26 11:49:36 I thought tonight Feb 26 11:50:33 Maybe for sprint Feb 26 11:51:05 yea I believe sprint said this eening Feb 26 11:51:11 evening * Feb 26 11:51:23 well only 9 people have hit the 1.4 patch feed, so it's *barely* up Feb 26 11:51:35 in the world Feb 26 11:52:21 I bet this channel will hit 200 today Feb 26 11:52:44 cool, infos about AUPT on a german IT-Newssite Feb 26 11:52:53 I bet AUPT goes so smoothly nobody needs to :P Feb 26 11:52:57 hucksy: got a link? Feb 26 11:53:14 http://www.golem.de/1002/73431-2.html Feb 26 11:54:44 just checked, 1.4 is not up yet for sprint... Feb 26 11:55:18 hucksy: ah, they've found the free apps download links too Feb 26 11:55:53 hehe yep Feb 26 11:57:11 #10 liverpool UK Feb 26 11:57:16 #11 Manchester UK Feb 26 11:57:43 hucksy: wonder if anyone has done a grep on the Packages feed files from preware.org yet ... Feb 26 12:01:08 mhm Feb 26 12:08:23 #12: Slovak republic Feb 26 12:18:08 oh it looks like 1.4 is popping around Feb 26 12:18:39 there'll be 100 other people for each one I see Feb 26 12:19:49 can you tell if you've seen any Sprint IPs? Feb 26 12:20:42 there is none Feb 26 12:20:43 :P Feb 26 12:23:58 we cannot tell, cause most people update over wifi Feb 26 12:25:46 rwhitby: understandably Feb 26 12:26:46 my sprint phone does not show 1.4 Feb 26 12:26:58 (I just checked for updates) Feb 26 12:27:28 i have been checking ever 30 minutes. heh Feb 26 12:27:46 lol ;) Feb 26 12:27:52 it will come at evening Feb 26 12:28:05 maybe this snowstorm is slowing it down Feb 26 12:28:30 the wind was crazy yesterday I saw few billboards fubar Feb 26 12:29:13 is there any recommended upgrade path to 1.4 if one wants to keep preware etc? Feb 26 12:30:03 just do it Feb 26 12:30:12 preware requires nothing special Feb 26 12:32:01 k, thx Feb 26 12:32:22 tru Feb 26 12:32:31 also, does anyone know if it is possible to "switch" market localization? I registered my palm profile back in german with a german sim Feb 26 12:32:33 now I'm in the us Feb 26 12:32:35 US sim Feb 26 12:32:39 still only German market Feb 26 12:33:10 hmmm good question but I don't have the answer Feb 26 12:33:29 rb2k: not that I know of Feb 26 12:33:29 the indian guy on the palm hotline said it would automatically change... Feb 26 12:33:33 well, he lied Feb 26 12:33:52 I hate it when they do that Feb 26 12:34:05 haha sounds like an easy out... Feb 26 12:34:16 if you full erase, doctor, and create a new profile in the US, you might be lucky ... Feb 26 12:34:29 but I doubt anything short of that will change it Feb 26 12:34:31 wait does ur profile think I have a German phone? Feb 26 12:34:50 my profile doesn't even know you! Feb 26 12:34:51 so its not by simmmmm.... hmm Feb 26 12:34:51 imho the full erase on the phone should also delete palm profile from it Feb 26 12:34:56 so u don't have to doctor it Feb 26 12:35:13 meh, I think I'll just wait for an open market ^^ Feb 26 12:35:19 1.4 should be a good start Feb 26 12:35:33 still not arrived though for me Feb 26 12:35:33 but I think he's saying the profile online won't change Feb 26 12:35:36 right? Feb 26 12:35:39 anyone here who was sending palm pre to palm? how long it took them to respond after they received your pre? Feb 26 12:35:41 is there a link somewhere? Feb 26 12:35:44 yeah, probably Feb 26 12:35:51 there will never be an open market while developers get to choose the countries they release to Feb 26 12:35:58 hmmm Feb 26 12:36:27 rwhitby, is there a way to bypass the country limitation? :> Feb 26 12:36:39 nope Feb 26 12:36:44 en0x: for free apps, yes. for paid apps, no. Feb 26 12:37:10 k Feb 26 12:37:11 for free apps: just using the direct url to the ipkg file? Feb 26 12:37:17 yes Feb 26 12:37:20 k Feb 26 12:37:35 is there a link to 1.4 somewhere? Feb 26 12:37:39 no Feb 26 12:37:41 k Feb 26 12:37:58 I really hate the tendency or precentral threads to explode with useless comments Feb 26 12:37:58 no sightings of any 1.4 doctors yet Feb 26 12:38:13 rb2k: you mean unlike any other forum or IRC channel ;-) Feb 26 12:38:28 it's especially bad when cell-phones are involved Feb 26 12:38:36 (switched over from android) Feb 26 12:38:44 ("ZOMG LOL RINGTONES!") Feb 26 12:38:51 why did u switch? android is "great" Feb 26 12:39:05 got boring, G1 is clunky Feb 26 12:39:09 didn't like the API Feb 26 12:39:26 before that, I had an iphone Feb 26 12:39:33 people just keep buying what I have Feb 26 12:39:34 oh u had G1 my friend still has his g1 Feb 26 12:39:38 and then it bores me Feb 26 12:39:47 I almost got a free nexus from google Feb 26 12:40:01 but no, I had to stay at home and NOT go to the developer event Feb 26 12:40:08 stupid me Feb 26 12:40:08 i remember when he was so happy when he got update with video recording Feb 26 12:40:16 he could not shut up for two weeks Feb 26 12:42:08 does android has 3d accell yet? Feb 26 12:42:13 sure Feb 26 12:42:21 well, opengl es that is Feb 26 12:42:23 for games Feb 26 12:42:33 so why there is no good games in android market? Feb 26 12:42:34 :) Feb 26 12:42:45 all of them looks like amiga ports... lol Feb 26 12:44:16 meh *shrug* Feb 26 12:45:15 preware is so much faster in the us than in germany Feb 26 12:45:48 i wonder why preware doesn't loads feeds as fast as app catalog Feb 26 12:45:52 rb2k: ipkg.preware.org is in Oregon Feb 26 12:46:24 en0x: preware front-loads all info onto the device first. you can then disconnect from the network and continue to browse (without icons or screenshots) Feb 26 12:46:29 explains it :) Feb 26 12:48:20 rwhitby: how hard would it be to allow someone to set up a mirror for preware assuming they had the hardware/bandwidth and wanted to volunteer it? Feb 26 12:48:46 cryptk|work: dead easy, we already have the scripts set up to support it on ipkg.nslu2-linux.org Feb 26 12:49:16 hrm... I may have to look into that... I have several servers in euroupe... one of them is about to be free... Feb 26 12:49:20 free as in available Feb 26 12:49:25 doing it based on geography rather than just round-robin will be harder Feb 26 12:49:26 they are all in France Feb 26 12:49:58 couldn't you have preware check it's localization setting Feb 26 12:50:10 if it is anything other than US English then go to the other server Feb 26 12:50:23 I guess it could change the feeds to ipkg.eu.preware.org or something Feb 26 12:50:35 or maybe have them all coded into the ipkgservice, have it start with a ping to each and then go with the faster one Feb 26 12:51:01 all good things for Preware generation 2 :-) Feb 26 12:51:22 doing it by ping times may be best, in case there is hardcore net congestion on the eu preware server then EU users could still fail over to the US one Feb 26 12:51:47 ok, once this server becomes available, if nobody rents it in a month or so I will donate it to preware Feb 26 12:51:59 #13: 202.140.x.x Hong Kong Feb 26 12:52:19 it has a pretty decent pipe on it, don't know if it is fast enough for all of this, but it can't hurt to have a mirror Feb 26 12:52:29 how fast is the pipe on preware.org? Feb 26 12:52:42 OSUOSL has big pipes - multiple gigabit pipes to Internet2 Feb 26 12:53:12 yeah... mine aren't nearly that fast, lol Feb 26 12:53:43 how did you score that? Feb 26 12:54:11 open source software, and sysadmins at osuosl who had nslu2 devices :-) Feb 26 12:54:48 we have 2 lots of 2U there, webos-internals.org is in the same physical rack as master.kernel.org Feb 26 12:54:57 OSUOSL doesn't list preware on their site Feb 26 12:55:20 yeah, the machine was purchased by nslu2-linux.org originally Feb 26 12:55:25 or webos-internals Feb 26 12:55:35 after the server upgrade on tuesday we'll update that info Feb 26 12:56:19 ahh Feb 26 12:56:19 donations have allowed us to purchase a 8 core 32GB RAM, 6TB RAID6 box, expandable to 128GB RAM Feb 26 12:56:28 nice Feb 26 12:56:59 how much would it cost per stick of ram in that? (assuming 4GB sticks) Feb 26 12:57:09 that's shared between a number of projects. nslu2-linux.org, nas-central.org, foonas.org, openembedded.org, webos-internals.org, preware.org, openwiz.org Feb 26 12:57:12 (possibly 8GB sticks... but thats $$$$) Feb 26 12:57:19 ahh Feb 26 12:57:29 so the server upgrade covers you, but it isn't all you Feb 26 12:57:47 so it is a pool of donations that allowed it Feb 26 12:57:57 yeah, webos-internals owns at least half of it Feb 26 12:58:15 * cryptk|work still thinks that a paypal donation link should be in prewares about/help scene Feb 26 12:58:20 we had a nice donation from Sprint :-) Feb 26 12:58:28 rwhitby: yeah, I heard about that Feb 26 12:58:32 plus lots of community donations of course Feb 26 12:59:02 Sprint paid for the case, the community paid for the hardware inside the case. Feb 26 12:59:22 the case is like 700 bucks Feb 26 12:59:27 isnt it? Feb 26 12:59:31 but really, why is there no paypal donation button in prewares about scene? it would be out of the way from normal use (unobtrusive) but still available for people poking around Feb 26 12:59:46 And the big change-over is on Tuesday, so everyone better be updated by then :-) Feb 26 12:59:47 rackmount cases tend to be expensive Feb 26 12:59:55 the case is called a chassis in server lingo Feb 26 13:00:15 joshua: yeah, supermicro chassis aren't cheap Feb 26 13:00:16 it sounds more classy Feb 26 13:00:17 heh Feb 26 13:00:33 we use supermirco a lot, they are cheaper than dell/hp Feb 26 13:00:37 supermicro ftw Feb 26 13:00:43 lots of big fans and redundant powersupplies :-) Feb 26 13:00:47 we host zshare.net they have some insane machines Feb 26 13:00:48 * Lumiere is too tired to use the right words ;) Feb 26 13:00:51 rwhitby: what would be amazing is if you found a way to basically make preware.org run as a tracker (as in torrents) and allow people to mirror from their home computers Feb 26 13:01:04 joshua, oh nice Feb 26 13:01:07 theres supermicro cases with 24 drive bays Feb 26 13:01:10 then you make the preware app into an on phone torrent client as far as the downloading go's Feb 26 13:01:16 any new USA 1.4.1 Rod/ Feb 26 13:01:24 cryptk|work: there's a company here in Adelaide run by a guy I know who does that for backups Feb 26 13:01:36 joshua, do u do server colocation for private use? Feb 26 13:02:12 rwhitby: it would definitely make things alot faster, but would require a re-write of the ipkgservice Feb 26 13:02:17 en0x: yeah, we do some co-lo, mostly rental Feb 26 13:02:39 I don't like the idea of torrenting to phones Feb 26 13:02:41 joshua, can u pm me the link... i'm looking for a colocation with good routing Feb 26 13:02:45 torrents would rape the battery Feb 26 13:02:59 Lumiere: no no no... the phone would only be downloading, not seeding or anything Feb 26 13:03:09 people could set up their home computers Feb 26 13:03:12 cryptk|work: it isn't the seeding Feb 26 13:03:13 to share the bandwidth Feb 26 13:03:20 Mercury, nvm got it Feb 26 13:03:23 joshua, * Feb 26 13:03:25 it's the method that torrents use to gather data Feb 26 13:03:33 is fairly intensive Feb 26 13:03:40 that would all be handled by the preware.org server Feb 26 13:03:56 to the pre it should be fairly similar to how it works now Feb 26 13:04:08 here is what I see happening if the idea were done Feb 26 13:04:16 people can host their own local mirrors Feb 26 13:04:27 preware.org gets a request for a file from a phone Feb 26 13:04:47 if preware.org's bandwidth utilization is over a certain point then it tells the phone to download the file from this other place Feb 26 13:04:58 that other place is someones computer running a mirror Feb 26 13:05:03 that's not torrenting Feb 26 13:05:06 preware.org gives the phone a hash Feb 26 13:05:08 I know it isn't Feb 26 13:05:10 that's load balancing Feb 26 13:05:15 but it is distributed bandwidth Feb 26 13:05:23 yes Lumiere I know Feb 26 13:05:35 but with hash checking like torrents Feb 26 13:05:43 but you cut me off before I got to that point, lol Feb 26 13:06:03 preware.org also gives the phone a hash value for that file so the pre can make sure the file is not modified Feb 26 13:06:06 ipkgservice already does hash checking because ipkg include an md5sum of their contents Feb 26 13:06:16 to prevent people from slipping in their own personal mods into the files Feb 26 13:06:22 well, there ya go Feb 26 13:06:25 load balancing doesn't work like that, thats kinda different Feb 26 13:06:31 exactly Feb 26 13:06:36 it is like a bastard child of the two Feb 26 13:06:50 half load balancing, half torrent... not really either one though Feb 26 13:06:57 you can do that with DRBD and heartbeat Feb 26 13:07:09 it syncs two machines automatically, and it even moves the DB over on a live machine Feb 26 13:07:15 then syncs the main one back when it comes back Feb 26 13:07:20 its pretty hardcore Feb 26 13:07:36 there ya go... the tech is already out there.. we just need to find a way to make it work Feb 26 13:07:43 http://www.drbd.org/ Feb 26 13:07:49 someone in hong kong updating 1.4 patches Feb 26 13:08:04 I would say though to only have files kick over to users computers if preware.org's bandwidth or loadaverage is over a certain mark Feb 26 13:08:13 what do you think about this convo rwhitby? Feb 26 13:08:29 interesting? or pointless? Feb 26 13:08:36 the second :p Feb 26 13:08:45 cryptk|work: sounds like hard work to me :-) Feb 26 13:08:49 yeah, I know Feb 26 13:08:55 i dunno, how much bandwidth does the current machine push? Feb 26 13:09:05 a distributed file cluster... that is the best thing I can think of to call it Feb 26 13:09:12 I doubt it is capping on bandwidth Feb 26 13:09:24 I was looking more at things like ram usage/load Feb 26 13:09:39 but with the upgrade coming that may not even be anything to worry about Feb 26 13:10:39 cryptk|work: we're moving ipkg.preware.org to a nginx instance after the server upgrade rather than the current apache instance. Feb 26 13:10:45 DRBD can be done with normal servers, you dont need to buy special hardware from cisco or anything. thats the best part Feb 26 13:11:04 ipkg2.preware.org is the nginx instance Feb 26 13:11:11 nginx is fast... have u ever thought about cherokee rwhitby ? Feb 26 13:11:20 nginx rules Feb 26 13:11:42 we use nginx as a proxy to django apps Feb 26 13:12:00 We have so many customers I have seen and worked on a lot of different combos Feb 26 13:12:29 But like nginx with fcgi is fast Feb 26 13:12:40 no proxying, just run a php process daemon Feb 26 13:12:47 yap... because it was written by russians Feb 26 13:12:48 :P Feb 26 13:13:02 thats the only down side, sometimes the documentation is confusing heh Feb 26 13:13:15 lighttpd is good as well, if you are doing streaming video or static file hosting Feb 26 13:13:20 joshua, well we don't use wsgi for django we use pure django app and nginx to proxy to internal app that is running on local port Feb 26 13:13:42 well according to my tests nginx beats lighttpd in satic file hosting Feb 26 13:13:50 I saw a guy with dual P4 xeons and the machine maxed out a 1gb port Feb 26 13:14:22 one of our nginx instance serves 500k pics a day Feb 26 13:14:49 what sites that for? Feb 26 13:14:57 image hosting site Feb 26 13:15:13 we just picked up megashare this month as well Feb 26 13:15:24 it's a few monts old startup which is doing fine Feb 26 13:15:45 managed hosting comes with migration so my co-worker had the fun of moving it all over Feb 26 13:15:57 :) Feb 26 13:17:02 at my work we still use ancient software eh universities r00x ;) 1.3.x apache :> Feb 26 13:17:16 heh thats a security nightmare Feb 26 13:17:29 joshua, welcome to university :P Feb 26 13:17:39 we had some machines that were still running freebsd 4.3 or something, they since added automatic security auditing to our system Feb 26 13:17:51 good that the other projects I'm working on are not job related so I can do however I want Feb 26 13:18:28 web design is fun :) Feb 26 13:19:41 why android market suck so much... there is no search on the website Feb 26 13:19:41 :S Feb 26 13:19:48 one of our customers is selling their porn site for $4000 if you are interested heh Feb 26 13:20:02 nah i'm good no need for porn Feb 26 13:20:03 :) Feb 26 13:20:13 any more USA 1.4 updates to preware besides the KY user? Feb 26 13:20:16 it must make money, he pays his bill on time Feb 26 13:21:06 trim81: nope Feb 26 13:21:39 joshua, for sure tere is a lot of porn folks out there Feb 26 13:21:54 rwhitby: you can test out nginx by setting it up how you like it on an alternate port and then just take apache down and bring it up on 80. Just need maintenence time nad you can always back out of it Feb 26 13:22:01 my buddy is a porn freak he has to watch everyday... lol even that he have a wife Feb 26 13:22:21 joshua: we've already got it running in a separate instance on ipkg2.preware.org Feb 26 13:22:28 but i'm there is a lot of ppl like that Feb 26 13:22:31 ahh ok Feb 26 13:22:42 rod: anyway to tell from the 1.4 wget feeds that any patches are non working for 1.4 and needs updating? Feb 26 13:23:02 you do stuff like set per IP bandwidth limits easily. Its so much nicer than nginx once you learn it Feb 26 13:23:08 i mean nicer than apache Feb 26 13:23:26 just gotta learn how to write config files since you can't do htaccess heh Feb 26 13:23:48 well what i miss in nginx is simple-vhost Feb 26 13:23:52 from lighttpd Feb 26 13:24:29 I think theres a way to do that, but it seems weird when you look at the config Feb 26 13:24:51 trim81: no way of telling Feb 26 13:25:40 trim81: I'm not seeing people downloading the same patch over and over again ... Feb 26 13:26:20 with only 17 people updating patches so far, I'm not seeing much of anything at all Feb 26 13:26:25 lol Feb 26 13:26:34 I wonder if they are all people with unlocked phones Feb 26 13:26:50 and that none of the regular contract users are getting it yet Feb 26 13:27:27 anyways... time for me to go home for the day...be back on in 30-45 minutes once I get home... Feb 26 13:27:41 if I'm not on, call a tow truck since my truck must have broke, lol Feb 26 13:28:21 meanwhile, I'm setting up a hot spare autobuilder, for when our main autobuilder is down while we're copying TBs of data to a new disk array before Tuesday Feb 26 13:30:49 you using hardware raid? Feb 26 13:31:37 well if you need any help tuning or whatever, lemme know. heh Feb 26 13:31:44 yawn Feb 26 13:31:59 whatd day is it? Feb 26 13:32:02 half my job is making underpowered hardware work for a customer who is too cheap to upgrade Feb 26 13:32:06 jacques: its 1.4 day! Feb 26 13:32:11 friday? Feb 26 13:32:39 a major release on a friday seems ... strange Feb 26 13:33:11 yeah usually you want it at the start of the week so you can crush any bugs that pop up that you missed Feb 26 13:33:23 joshua: yeah, hardware raid with BBU Feb 26 13:33:40 joshua: ka6sox-work looks after all that stuff Feb 26 13:34:25 the 3ware cards have a management suite that can handle that stuff, and send e-mails out when its degraded etc, its handy Feb 26 13:35:53 has a little java web server you can manage it from and everything for people scared of the command line tool heh Feb 26 13:37:34 joshua: yeah, I'm pretty sure we use 3ware cards Feb 26 13:38:00 ka6sox-work has been running the nslu2-linux.org server for 5 years, and it has better uptime than GMail ;-) Feb 26 13:54:46 shit after the screenshots i'm pomped Feb 26 13:54:50 pumped* Feb 26 13:55:01 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232527-1-4-0-screenshots.html Feb 26 13:55:26 still not out though Feb 26 13:57:06 mikewx: it's out - 18 people have updated patches so far Feb 26 13:57:27 oh cool Feb 26 13:57:31 * mikewx goes to update app Feb 26 13:57:47 it's not out for many though Feb 26 13:57:52 not me anyway Feb 26 13:57:54 lol Feb 26 13:57:57 i have no patches loaded, i tried to keep my replacement pre from 2 weeks ago virign for the update Feb 26 13:58:05 did they really release 1.4 in vietnam already? Feb 26 13:58:08 still not out here. Feb 26 13:58:30 VincentLaw: various people in various parts of the world with mainly GSM devices have 1.4 Feb 26 13:59:02 they all phone home to rwhitby, he knows! :) Feb 26 13:59:16 all the good ones anyway Feb 26 13:59:36 I see Preware access the 1.4 patches feed, and can count the unique IP addresses and geolocate them. Feb 26 13:59:43 yeah Feb 26 14:00:03 rwhitby is watching me :P Feb 26 14:00:38 :) Feb 26 14:00:39 not for long, it's time for bed Feb 26 14:00:45 big brother is watching Feb 26 14:00:46 hehehe Feb 26 14:01:00 have a good night rob Feb 26 14:01:19 night rwhitby :p Feb 26 14:01:23 silly aussies Feb 26 14:33:33 no cable, no phone, no electric. BUT I HAVE INTERNET BABY YEAH Feb 26 14:35:21 i want 1.4! Feb 26 14:37:00 * shinebar 2 Feb 26 14:39:39 zsoc: tethering? :p Feb 26 14:39:48 lawl Feb 26 14:40:34 last time I lost cable and electric, I also lost cell phone service. stupid cell tower went down with everything else. Feb 26 14:48:22 Achoo!! Feb 26 14:48:59 ... Feb 26 15:09:35 :S Feb 26 15:10:01 :> Feb 26 15:10:25 well time to stop thinking about 1.4 and do some work Feb 26 15:16:30 Would it be "too creepy" to make a service+patch that takes pictures without having to open the camera app? Feb 26 15:17:58 is it user-initiated? Feb 26 15:18:17 ... what other option would there be? just to do it secretly without the user knowing? lol Feb 26 15:18:37 Yeah, something like take a picture when you press/do 'x', like make forward gesture or press the volume up Feb 26 15:19:22 well i just wonder take pictures on a timer and upload them somewhere, that would be too "creepy" Feb 26 15:19:50 I'm also seriously considering an app that records audio without having to be open.. like "open app, press 'record', close app, record your whole day" Feb 26 15:20:24 Kyusaku, i'm not secretly installing an application to spy on people :p if i was going to do that i would just plant a worm that uploaded their already existing pictures :p Feb 26 15:20:51 now that i have some audio recorders that work decently. Feb 26 15:20:58 s/recorders/encoders/ Feb 26 15:20:59 zsoc meant: now that i have some audio encoders that work decently. Feb 26 15:22:00 from your codec patches? Feb 26 15:22:15 Kyusaku, yes, a side effect of an 18MB libgstffmpeg :p Feb 26 15:22:51 zsoc, any progress on xvid O_o Feb 26 15:22:58 I'm not sure what to do about ogg/flac/wma, they all _work_, but without support for vorbis comments / whatever microsoft uses.. there's no way to organize the music Feb 26 15:23:10 FuMan, webos hates xvid, with a passion Feb 26 15:23:31 darkness D; Feb 26 15:24:51 why so? Feb 26 15:25:16 zsoc, please elaborate on xvid ;) Feb 26 15:25:36 en0x, the log is messy and disgusting. Feb 26 15:25:44 lol Feb 26 15:25:46 en0x, but i don't trust the source test actually Feb 26 15:25:52 en0x, find me an xvid avi to test Feb 26 15:27:21 o_O, how legal does it have to be :> Feb 26 15:27:33 [; Feb 26 15:27:45 FuMan, transcoding a video to xvid is not illegal Feb 26 15:28:05 but i think the legality of my tv collection in xvid kinda is. Feb 26 15:28:32 you can probably find publicly available files in xvid Feb 26 15:28:35 FuMan, 1.) this channel is logged, 2) there's many arguable gray areas Feb 26 15:28:38 Kyusaku, i have tried :p Feb 26 15:29:00 DVRs are a "tv collection in h264" :p Feb 26 15:29:00 hrm Feb 26 15:29:58 zsoc: really? I think I remember some game trailers using xvida while back Feb 26 15:30:34 Go-Go Gadget Kyusaku ! Feb 26 15:30:58 lemme see if I can find something Feb 26 15:31:44 heh, yeah, thats actually harder to find than you think Feb 26 15:33:59 I'm finding some but they're HD res Feb 26 15:34:12 some movie trailers Feb 26 15:34:22 Kyusaku, yeah i'd rather not recode... it's cool, someone is sending me one Feb 26 15:55:20 * en0x is downloading 1.4 now Feb 26 15:55:27 grrrrrr Feb 26 15:55:47 34MB Feb 26 15:56:16 lalalaal:D Feb 26 15:56:24 mine still says 1.3.5.1 is current~ Feb 26 15:56:31 btw anyone from here who was sending palm pre to palm? Feb 26 15:57:09 mikewx: en0x has been claiming to install 1.4 for 3-4 days now. Feb 26 15:57:18 buehehe Feb 26 15:57:20 * Eguy has had 1.5 for years Feb 26 15:57:32 * nt4cats is running 2.2 on my Pre Feb 26 15:57:42 ah Feb 26 15:57:56 congrats enox Feb 26 15:57:57 i'm more excited about the doctor being released, the change log going up, and the oss patches Feb 26 15:57:57 it's running in his delorean Feb 26 15:58:09 hehe right Feb 26 15:58:13 ok rebooting now Feb 26 15:58:14 :) Feb 26 15:58:18 sweet Feb 26 15:58:20 which country Feb 26 15:58:23 lol Feb 26 15:58:23 if u dont mind me asking Feb 26 15:58:25 1.5 adds android on a dual boot system Feb 26 15:58:30 en0x, I'm a man of my word Feb 26 15:58:41 zsoc: +1 Feb 26 15:58:41 wat? :( i'm the one who was selected by palm :( Feb 26 15:58:42 wat the heck happend to enox Feb 26 15:58:47 i heard 2.0 ads mediasync support! Feb 26 15:59:02 zsoc, so what was the reason for the kick? :> Feb 26 15:59:04 zsoc: Your work is done Feb 26 15:59:06 trim81, i told him the next tim he lied about 1.4 coming out, I would kick him :) Feb 26 15:59:13 ah Feb 26 15:59:14 o did ya? hmm Feb 26 15:59:16 so hes a phony Feb 26 15:59:19 gotta grep my logs Feb 26 15:59:22 brb Feb 26 15:59:36 en0x, My exact words were "If you do that again, I will kick you" :p Feb 26 15:59:43 Eguy, glad i have your approval :p Feb 26 15:59:50 Always Feb 26 15:59:56 oh yes u did Feb 26 15:59:58 21:04 <+zsoc_wirc> en0x: I will literally kick you if you do that again. Feb 26 16:00:04 Ha, _literally_ Feb 26 16:00:11 That he did Feb 26 16:00:11 that kick was pretty literal Feb 26 16:00:23 en0x, If you do it again, I will _literally_ kick/ban you for 1 hour ;) Feb 26 16:00:28 lol Feb 26 16:00:57 en0x: ... and I will figuratively kick/ban you for an hour (because I'm not a ChanOp) Feb 26 16:01:06 metaphorically, even Feb 26 16:01:15 nt4cats, you should do it metaphysically Feb 26 16:01:18 and I will kick you in the face for no apparent reason. Feb 26 16:01:23 that's where it really hurts Feb 26 16:01:39 "... but the disrespect, that hurts the second-most" Feb 26 16:02:05 en0x: Once you can get the fly with the chopsticks, then you may have your 1.4. Feb 26 16:04:02 wow, "Delorean", "get the fly with the chopsticks" -- you're all pulling images from the movies of my youth. I don't feel so old this morning ... Feb 26 16:04:46 nt4cats: The pre needs 1.21Gigawatts ofpower to download 1.4. Feb 26 16:05:10 but what will happen when it really hits and I will be the first one to report it? :> Feb 26 16:05:12 * nt4cats charging his pre now (that's Mr. Fusion!) Feb 26 16:06:07 It hit last night in nam. You don't even know man! You weren't there! Feb 26 16:06:47 hmm Feb 26 16:07:35 ok smoke time Feb 26 16:13:07 are we there yet? Feb 26 16:13:29 Depends where you are Feb 26 16:13:34 jacques: stop hitting your sister and just read your book. We'll let you know when we're there. Feb 26 16:13:49 lol Feb 26 16:14:13 jacques: don't make me pull this car over ... Feb 26 16:14:24 nt4cats clearly has kids Feb 26 16:15:07 zsoc: two beautiful ones that I love desperately -- and who have an amazing capacity to drive me batshit-crazy Feb 26 16:15:40 im afraid to have ugly kids Feb 26 16:16:42 I was having an emotionally-charged discussion with my wife (not an argument exactly, but there was some tension), and my then-four-year-old son walked up and asked us what we were talking about. I yelled at him : "Don't ask questions about things you don't understand!" Feb 26 16:16:48 (parenting facepalm) Feb 26 16:16:53 LOL Feb 26 16:16:58 niiiiice Feb 26 16:17:10 I'll turn this damn bus around....end your precious "field trip" Feb 26 16:21:08 How much of WebOS is actually open? I'm kindof curious if it'd be at all possible to rig up some sort of container to run WebOS apps as desktop widgets. Feb 26 16:21:42 sloloem, youd need to port the mojo framework, among other things Feb 26 16:23:00 zsoc: Wouldn't that just be a matter of hosting a javascript engine similar enough to Palm's? Feb 26 16:23:20 * zsoc shrugs Feb 26 16:23:49 the js engine is open isn't it? v8 Feb 26 16:23:56 I dunno, it was a random idea I had a few days ago...kinda like Yahoo widgets except less crappy. Feb 26 16:24:36 The v8 needs more horsepower Feb 26 16:25:28 if I played the stock market, now might be a good time to buy palm Feb 26 16:25:41 I sold mine a long time ago Feb 26 16:25:48 v8 is open, I believe it was bsd license Feb 26 16:25:51 I lost enough on it already Feb 26 16:26:02 or a bad time Feb 26 16:26:17 zsoc: that's why I don't play Feb 26 16:26:22 Eguy: I was up on it for a while but then it did that random drop right before the MaxiPad announcement Feb 26 16:26:25 because I'm really bad at it :-) Feb 26 16:26:47 I made some good money on Apple Feb 26 16:26:48 poker is actually a better game Feb 26 16:26:53 But I won't be doing that again Feb 26 16:27:02 I am not a stock analyst, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently. I think that Palm is either going to succeed or get bought ... both events would be good for someone who "bought low" on their stock. The question is, is this the right "low"? Feb 26 16:27:20 nt4cats: It will get lower :P Feb 26 16:27:38 Although that is probably the point where it is too low Feb 26 16:27:42 I hope palm succeeds Feb 26 16:27:46 I don't know who would really buy them honestly Feb 26 16:28:07 I sold at 11.50 I think Feb 26 16:28:15 harrison ford Feb 26 16:28:19 It opened at 6.59 Feb 26 16:28:30 Phew Feb 26 16:34:41 Yikes they're not doing well at all...I hadn't looked in a few days Feb 26 16:36:55 yeah palm's not doin too well Feb 26 16:37:02 those downgrades hurt Feb 26 16:37:29 This market is very tired too so a lot of investors are looking quickly to get out of risk assets and into value Feb 26 16:37:46 So I wouldn't take it to the "butt-hurt" extreme Feb 26 16:38:01 had the market been not so tired some of them would have stayed in for a longer hold Feb 26 16:38:02 That always seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me...the firms downgrade a stock so no one wants to buy it and the price drops lower. Feb 26 16:38:18 yep Feb 26 16:38:28 thats' why they do it Feb 26 16:38:33 Does anyone know what the IPO for Palm was? Feb 26 16:38:35 sloloem: their stock price has very little to do with how many people buy thier phones, however. Feb 26 16:38:36 they sold _their_ investors stock last week, then downgraded it Feb 26 16:38:47 good example is most investors are betting on a 9000 low for DOW this year Feb 26 16:39:48 I've been seeing more and more Pre's and Pixi's in people's hands lately. Feb 26 16:40:00 i havent Feb 26 16:40:07 I wonder why the Verizon ones don't have the multi-color keyboard. It makes me sad. Feb 26 16:40:30 sloloem: I'll trade you :-) Feb 26 16:40:34 my coworker treded his storm in on a pre, another coworker traded in his iphone Feb 26 16:40:35 they should have red/white ;) Feb 26 16:40:50 * jacques strongly dislikes teh orange. Feb 26 16:40:52 verizon's pre keyboard doesn't have the orange elements on it? Feb 26 16:41:02 psykoz, it's all white Feb 26 16:41:05 eww Feb 26 16:41:10 it's white and gray IIRC Feb 26 16:41:19 the orange is nice because it stands out as in "if you press orange and then press me, this is what symbol you get" Feb 26 16:41:20 the grey looks like white anyway Feb 26 16:41:21 :p Feb 26 16:41:43 they should have made all symbols in orange imo Feb 26 16:42:04 psykoz, http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/palm-pre-plus-verizon-keyboard-v-1-526x500.jpg Feb 26 16:42:09 They should have made the screen 4.2" Feb 26 16:42:18 en0x, that looks sad ;( Feb 26 16:42:27 Eguy, eee 5" :P Feb 26 16:42:28 what they *really* need is RGB LED keyboard backlighting Feb 26 16:42:59 and a gig of ram Feb 26 16:43:11 yeah! Feb 26 16:43:18 jacques: I have the Sprint version myself...I really need a replacement, mine is falling apart. Feb 26 16:43:30 sloloem: my slider is not happy Feb 26 16:43:40 flash chips are cheap, don't know why OEM's have to be cheap and put 256mb ram on their phones Feb 26 16:43:41 * jacques too has the sprint version Feb 26 16:44:19 i have too but i recently got a new one from palm Feb 26 16:44:22 :D Feb 26 16:44:48 I've wedged my battery, the slider wiggles, there's a chunk of plastic missing by the power button, a crack by the USB port, the cover for the port is missing, and just today it seems to have gotten a nice scratch on the backplate Feb 26 16:45:07 sloloem, why don't u exchange it? Feb 26 16:45:08 ouch Feb 26 16:45:24 invisibleshield :) Feb 26 16:45:34 i dont use invisibleshield Feb 26 16:45:41 en0x: partially lack of time to get into a store, partially not wanting to go in incase they won't do it. Feb 26 16:46:03 sloloem, they would not exchange my pre... I had to go through palm Feb 26 16:46:05 yeah, then you would have wasted time *and* be pissed off Feb 26 16:46:51 i wonder how long it takes for palm to reposond when they get your broken pre Feb 26 16:46:54 zsoc: wouldn't a literal kick be walking up to someone and kicking them physically? Feb 26 16:47:14 zsoc: I think an IRC channel kick is figurative Feb 26 16:50:32 destinal: just because an IRC channel isn't a physical place doesn't make it not real -- and getting kicked out of the channel is literal enough Feb 26 16:50:57 <-- semiotics and epistimology master Feb 26 16:51:25 * jacques kicks nt4cats Feb 26 16:51:33 * Eguy kicks nt4cats Feb 26 16:52:08 ~kick nt4cats Feb 26 16:52:09 * infobot kicks nt4cats Feb 26 16:53:54 whole lotta love Feb 26 16:54:13 I thought more people would jump on the bus Feb 26 16:55:25 Eguy: they're all looking up "semiotics" and "epistimology" right now Feb 26 16:56:16 infobot: wtf is epistimology Feb 26 16:56:18 usage: wtf . Feb 26 16:56:26 infobot: wtf epistimology Feb 26 16:56:28 Gee... I don't know what epistimology means... Feb 26 16:56:30 Someone tell me when this link is active: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p140r0d02262010/sr1ntp140rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Feb 26 16:57:17 i wonder if you can use inotify for something like that Feb 26 16:57:20 if history is any guide, it might not be for days after 1.4 is pushed Feb 26 16:57:38 infobot: google epistimology Feb 26 16:57:49 It might be out before the update then :D Feb 26 16:58:30 doh, I can't spell for sh*t Feb 26 16:58:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology Feb 26 16:59:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics Feb 26 16:59:16 <--- spells like a Kindergartener Feb 26 16:59:23 But those require clicking Feb 26 16:59:30 ~wikipedia Semiotics Feb 26 16:59:35 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics (URL), Wikipedia explains: "' 'Semiotics', also called 'semiotic studies' or 'semiology', is the study of sign processes (semiosis), or signification and communication, signs and symbols, and is usually divided into three branches: * 'Semantics': Relation between signs and the things to which they refer; their "denotata" * 'Syntactics': Relations among signs in formal structures * 'Pragmatics': Relation between .. Feb 26 16:59:52 ~facepalm Feb 26 16:59:53 * infobot facepalms at the situation Feb 26 17:05:27 hi Feb 26 17:05:46 nt4cats: funny how kids can drive you crazy, huh? I once heard "insanity is hereditary -- you get it from your kids" Feb 26 17:10:23 I heard a comedian say (sorry I don't recall who): "Before I had kids, if I saw a kid screaming/crying in a restaraunt I'd say to myslef 'I wonder what those parents did to that poor kid.' Now that I have kids I say 'I wonder what that kid did to those poor parents.' Feb 26 17:10:47 He/She was born Feb 26 17:24:07 Bloom looks interesting. Feb 26 17:26:03 anybody know the correct way to install webos-internals stuff from the command line? i tried it with ipkg but i don't think the scripts get run Feb 26 17:26:34 smoofra, so run the scripts Feb 26 17:28:41 they don't need environment vaialbes set up in any particular way? Feb 26 17:29:28 smoofra, only thing the scripts don't do is remount / rw Feb 26 17:29:45 smoofra, so mount -o remount,rw / - run the script - mount -o remount,ro / Feb 26 17:30:53 how do i put my palm pre in developer mode while its connected to computer? Feb 26 17:31:38 tris, what does enabling developer mode have anything to do with being connected to a computer? Feb 26 17:31:55 or do you mean usb mode? Feb 26 17:32:44 i am installing pre wae and the install guide says to. Feb 26 17:33:03 maybe i shud not connect to computer yet? Feb 26 17:33:05 trose, so follow how the guide says to enable developer mode Feb 26 17:33:14 yes Feb 26 17:33:18 trose, it makes no difference if it's connected to anything or not afaik Feb 26 17:37:28 what is developer mode? Feb 26 17:37:56 ... Feb 26 17:38:05 trose, follow the install guide please, install.preware.org Feb 26 17:39:41 tris, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Getting_started <-- and that page describes developer mode Feb 26 17:44:58 do you know what the path is for palm applications? Feb 26 17:45:25 as in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications, and where else? Feb 26 17:46:46 are prerm's/postinst's ran on updates? Feb 26 17:47:20 smoofra, what do you mean 'where else'? Feb 26 17:47:44 where else does luna look for them Feb 26 17:48:03 smoofra, why would it look somewhere else? Feb 26 17:49:11 because i've got a broken app i want to remve and it doesn't seem to be in that path Feb 26 17:49:32 smoofra, what app? Feb 26 17:50:28 feeds Feb 26 17:50:48 smoofra, ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep -i feeds Feb 26 17:52:04 yea ipkg doens't think it's installed, but luna does Feb 26 17:52:29 smoofra, to my understanding, there is no differentiation. Feb 26 17:52:30 git experts here? Feb 26 17:52:42 MetaView, I am a mediocre git user Feb 26 17:52:50 ok Feb 26 17:53:02 smoofra, what makes you think luna thinks it's installed? an icon? Feb 26 17:53:06 rwhitby has created the duke3d repo for me Feb 26 17:53:11 MetaView: i'm pretty good with git Feb 26 17:53:20 zsoc: yup, an icon. Feb 26 17:53:22 yesterday I tried to commit a README file Feb 26 17:53:29 I made add and then commit Feb 26 17:53:39 smoofra, and what happens when you option+click it? Feb 26 17:53:43 MetaView, ok, then push? Feb 26 17:53:45 the log on my local PC shows it was committed Feb 26 17:53:48 push? Feb 26 17:53:49 ok Feb 26 17:53:52 MetaView, git push :0 Feb 26 17:54:03 MetaView, you made a commit locally, you have to push it to remote Feb 26 17:54:18 zsoc: it brings up "my applications" with a feeds icon with a little error icon on top of it Feb 26 17:54:26 ok, so it's different to cvs and svn? Feb 26 17:54:45 MetaView, well.. yes.. i mean it has a different name no? :) git is pretty excellent imo Feb 26 17:55:09 ok, I work against my local repo and then push it to the server? Feb 26 17:55:19 well, I will get used to it :) Feb 26 17:56:07 MetaView: it depends on who you're workign with. some people will want you to format-patch and then email, some will pull, etc Feb 26 17:56:17 MetaView, less seemless, more control Feb 26 17:56:29 ok, thx, it worked :) whcih surprise :) Feb 26 17:56:30 smoofra, we trust people we give access to :) Feb 26 17:57:20 dBsooner, glad to see someone's testing patches :) Feb 26 17:57:32 ? Feb 26 17:57:38 shh.. i'm not here. Feb 26 17:57:41 ok, now I need to tell it what my name is :) it defaults to the login name of my ubuntu vbox image Feb 26 17:57:54 MetaView, yes, would you like to do it globally? Feb 26 17:58:05 yes Feb 26 17:58:19 MetaView, email as well, we require both Feb 26 17:58:40 git config --global user.name "MetaView" Feb 26 17:58:56 git config --global user.email "your@email" Feb 26 17:59:28 darnti i found the path in /etc/palm/luna.conf Feb 26 17:59:36 and feeds isn't anywhere Feb 26 17:59:41 but the stupid icon won't go away Feb 26 18:00:02 thank you a lot Feb 26 18:00:14 smoofra, silly question, did you try rescanning? Feb 26 18:00:18 MetaView, np, that's why we're here Feb 26 18:00:21 zsoc: yup Feb 26 18:01:30 still no 1.4 here, anyone got it yet? Feb 26 18:01:42 iSmite: not yet Feb 26 18:01:45 kk Feb 26 18:01:52 aaannnndd I just lost power Feb 26 18:01:58 I'll be back later Feb 26 18:02:26 germany: no 1.4 yet Feb 26 18:03:08 wonder why some of the unlocked german pre's got updates already Feb 26 18:03:22 (when used on other networks) Feb 26 18:04:32 screw it i'm just going to put the stupid thing over in the third page next to the nfl logo where i never look Feb 26 18:04:38 out of sight, out of mind Feb 26 18:05:00 how are web apps launched by webos? Feb 26 18:05:06 some luna call? Feb 26 18:06:36 I have an app here where the update failed and I see that I still have the old version on my Pre, but the UI tells me the app isn#t there and update failed Feb 26 18:06:50 how did luna knows it? Feb 26 18:07:31 any news on a release for sprint yet ? Feb 26 18:09:10 DrFunk: some time between now and eternity. :) Feb 26 18:09:25 anyone know why i cant download radiotime? Feb 26 18:09:48 it just doesnt install, even comes with a warning that it might not- strange Feb 26 18:09:57 dBsooner: too funny dude Feb 26 18:10:32 I was told 1 but that seems to be BS Feb 26 18:10:49 yeah well its 6 here by default u should feel more sorry for me :P Feb 26 18:11:33 might go and see what o2 aren't saying about it. Feb 26 18:11:45 Sprint is skipping 1.4 and going directly to 1.5 Feb 26 18:11:57 haha Feb 26 18:12:11 Will be out January 2011 Feb 26 18:12:34 wait ... 1.4 is not yet out for sprint? Feb 26 18:12:35 I heard Feb. 29th Feb 26 18:12:50 xcomp: no Feb 26 18:12:56 That's for the pixi BoomerET Feb 26 18:12:56 rofl o2 forums are just copying from precentral Feb 26 18:13:10 BoomerET: sprint said today Feb 26 18:13:30 for palm Feb 26 18:14:06 dBsooner: what else is new bud Feb 26 18:14:10 I have gathered that the precentral forums are unreadable Feb 26 18:14:15 lol Feb 26 18:14:16 DrFunk: bah Feb 26 18:14:24 DrFunk: nothing. been busy with family and job hunting. Feb 26 18:14:28 Well, that was a weak attempt at a joke, since the next Feb. 29th isn't until 2012 I believe. Feb 26 18:15:08 The Sprint leak said Pixi was the 29th. Feb 26 18:15:09 dBsooner: I hear that been doing the same Feb 26 18:15:26 Feb 26 18:16:04 why would someone running modified gsm sprint get the update before anyone else Feb 26 18:16:10 seeing as its not out on sprint Feb 26 18:16:12 makes no sense Feb 26 18:16:17 lol.. i love precentral's leak Feb 26 18:16:19 I think the forums reached a readability of 5th grade. Feb 26 18:16:28 /part\ Feb 26 18:16:31 oops Feb 26 18:16:35 http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Dieter%20Bohn/2010/02/thumb_450_webos-14-sprint-pre-pixi_0.png Feb 26 18:16:41 it says right in that image Feb 26 18:16:51 Palm Pixi on 02/29/2010. Feb 26 18:16:53 ROFL Feb 26 18:16:55 i think they deleted my pic of a big fat man eating a burger Feb 26 18:16:57 Yep Feb 26 18:17:09 with a crash helmet on Feb 26 18:17:10 Pixi is not getting the update for 2 years. Feb 26 18:17:17 poor Pixi. Feb 26 18:17:18 iSmite: I love that picture Feb 26 18:17:38 The grammar on the forums is at a 1st grade level. Feb 26 18:21:50 um'proof from o2 forums what a shit company o2 are: Feb 26 18:21:53 I rang o2 - the customer support person said that they didn't do a phone called the Palm Pre!! after I convinced them that they did, he asked which model number - I said "Pre" to which he answered "but which model number..." Feb 26 18:21:58 rofl. Feb 26 18:22:01 lol on february 29 Feb 26 18:22:04 awesome. Feb 26 18:22:36 iSmite: Tell them 3GS Feb 26 18:22:52 no its not me i copied it from the forum as an example Feb 26 18:23:05 Ah Feb 26 18:23:24 hmm why doesn't preware continue loading software, when i switch the window... Feb 26 18:23:39 2 things about the pre though (i do have a 3g by the way) the horrendous battery life compared to an iphone and it drops calls all the time due to weak signal..take sim out put in iphone get full signal. Feb 26 18:24:02 can you get better batteries for it, ive seen some on enay dont know if they are any good though Feb 26 18:24:54 I have a 1350mah battery and it makes no difference for me. Feb 26 18:25:06 hmm Feb 26 18:25:14 is there any way to improve the signal? Feb 26 18:25:38 i have always had full signal with that sim on that network in every othr phone i have had Feb 26 18:26:03 people cant get through to me most of the time Feb 26 18:26:11 is there a GSM-equivelent to the PRL? Is it stored in the phone or the SIM (I'd guess the SIM if there is a PRL in GSM) Feb 26 18:26:19 You need to walk around with this: http://www.avico.com.au/images/T/%23%23TVA38-mainphoto.jpg Feb 26 18:26:34 yeah ill glue one of those to it Feb 26 18:26:59 iSmite: (sorry I'm dropping in on this conversation late) you could have simply gotten a bad handset Feb 26 18:27:08 ive had 2 pres Feb 26 18:27:14 both same signal wise Feb 26 18:27:14 iSmite: hmmm, okay Feb 26 18:27:16 nt4cats: It is stored on the SIM. Feb 26 18:27:35 i have roaming off because here if it roams you get charged for it Feb 26 18:27:41 never had it on on my iphone Feb 26 18:28:06 Eguy: that was my assumption (it is funny -- I know a LOT about GSM networks having worked for a GSM network equipment vendor, but I don't know a lot about handsets) Feb 26 18:28:38 That's because iPhone's are the best phones ever made iSmite. Feb 26 18:28:55 They have no flaws Feb 26 18:29:08 The iPhone has a reputation as being an amazing handheld computer and a pretty crappy phone Feb 26 18:29:08 ot as many as the pre does lol. Feb 26 18:29:26 i admin an iphone forum, had one since they came out and i will be getting the next one in june Feb 26 18:29:44 Sorry to hear that. Feb 26 18:30:00 there are things i prefer about the pre which is why i am using the pre, butthose 2 issues its like they are forcing me back to the iphone Feb 26 18:30:29 Do you have a shift key on your keyboard? Feb 26 18:30:43 i can listen to music for 2 hours max on the pre=dead battery from full, iphone after 2 hours i still have 80% battery Feb 26 18:31:22 I do beleive the iPhone is optimized for that use no? Feb 26 18:31:25 It's an iPod Feb 26 18:31:36 iPod with a crappy phone. Feb 26 18:32:00 iPod Touch is an iPod without a crappy phone. Feb 26 18:32:09 iPad is a crappy iPod. Feb 26 18:32:14 Make sense? Feb 26 18:32:21 what i am saying is, however much you bash the iphone, the battery lasts, it charges quicker and has a better signal Feb 26 18:32:31 no lol- the ipod is an ipad nano Feb 26 18:32:32 iSmite: if you have low signal that probably accounts for your poor battery life. I listen to 2 hours of streaming music (not local music) and my battery is at about 65% Feb 26 18:32:44 wow Feb 26 18:33:06 I have had similar results. Feb 26 18:33:10 but like i said it's not my network or sim..both my pre's have had this issue and i have googled it and lots of people having same issue Feb 26 18:33:29 If you hate on the Pre, it knows and drains your battery. Feb 26 18:33:48 hehe Feb 26 18:33:50 ugh i want 65% after 2 hours. If i leave my pre on overnight from full charge by morning its at 65% without me doing anything to it! Feb 26 18:33:52 I have no experience with the GSM version but I do know that poor radio reception destroys battery life for my CDMA one. I put it in a locker once in 1.2.x and it was dead in a couple hours Feb 26 18:34:00 i dont hate it...i chose it over the iphone remember :P Feb 26 18:34:31 iSmite: i don't know what you're doing, but my phone goes hours on idle without losing 10% of battery Feb 26 18:34:31 I have had the same thing destinal. CDMA with low signal will destroy the battery. Feb 26 18:34:44 im not doing anything, I don't even have a patch installed Feb 26 18:34:45 used to be that poor signal would destroy the battery Feb 26 18:34:48 if the facebook chat app dev is in this channel plz speak up so that i may kiss your toes, thx. Feb 26 18:34:52 but since 1.3.5 it has been amazing Feb 26 18:35:34 well hmm. Apart from a huge antenna is there anything i can do? Feb 26 18:35:37 It should have shipped with a 1500mah battery Feb 26 18:35:47 i used to be anxious about my battery charge all the time before Feb 26 18:35:56 these days i'm pretty careless about it Feb 26 18:36:08 wirc over EVDO seems to kill my battery also Feb 26 18:36:16 my Pre will be dead by the end of the day unless I keep it plugged in. Feb 26 18:36:18 let it run all day without bothering to charge Feb 26 18:36:22 My phone is on the Touchstone almost all day Feb 26 18:36:29 from a couple of phone calls and a bit of music, it's shocking Feb 26 18:36:47 yeah, i don' tknow what you're running on that phone Feb 26 18:36:54 nothing at all. no patches Feb 26 18:37:10 one app which i don't use much, spaz the twitter app. I never even leave cards open Feb 26 18:37:23 iSmite: does your house/apartment look like this? http://infobunker.com/HERFandEMPthreats_files/image007.jpg Feb 26 18:37:33 once I was playing music for like 3 hours and forgot to plug it in Feb 26 18:37:39 iSmite do you have wifi and bluetooth on? Feb 26 18:37:45 it dropped to like 57^ Feb 26 18:37:48 *57% Feb 26 18:37:50 ever since I turned both off, I get much better battery Feb 26 18:37:55 i have tried it with wifi off it is the same Feb 26 18:38:02 How can I submit an app to preware? Feb 26 18:38:02 don't use bt Feb 26 18:38:05 and I still managed to use it till the end of the day Feb 26 18:38:27 strange then. I dunno, I don't have a GSM pre, but I know battery has vastly improved for me Feb 26 18:38:31 1.3.5 did wonders for the battery fo rme Feb 26 18:38:45 absolutely right on charge timee though, iPhone charges like it's nothing, pre, an hour or so is liek 20% Feb 26 18:38:55 ok I haven't used my phonesince 3pm today when it was almost full, i'll get it now and let's see Feb 26 18:39:10 AnOutsider: using the touchstone it's a lot better Feb 26 18:39:16 57% Feb 26 18:39:21 like now ... I haven't charged my phone since I got to work this morning around 10am Feb 26 18:39:22 i havent even used it. Feb 26 18:39:29 AnOutsider: my pre charges very quickly on the touchstone, with wifi (not bt) enabled Feb 26 18:39:30 sepisultrum: for most apps, most people use precentral as preware ships with their feed enabled. we have our own feed too which is for open source stuff, mainly if it has services or plugins or other advanced things Feb 26 18:39:32 been fiddling around with it randomly, and it's still at 84% Feb 26 18:39:45 down to 57% in 3.5 hours. Feb 26 18:39:47 wtf Feb 26 18:39:52 destinal: ok, so you recommend to also use precentral Feb 26 18:39:53 ok Feb 26 18:39:55 i've probably hit refresh on theupdate app about 10 times Feb 26 18:40:12 i have 1 bar on the signal. Feb 26 18:40:21 sepisultrum: mainly because they've got a really easy interface for submitting and updating your typical app Feb 26 18:40:22 My Pre charges really quick on the Touchstone but also heats up to 10,000 degrees. Feb 26 18:40:44 * nt4cats never uses bluetooth, considers bluetooth nothing but a technology designed to vent battery charge into the atmosphere Feb 26 18:41:01 Eguy: mine doesn't heat up n the touchstone unless i'm doing the simultaneous sprint nav/pandora thing Feb 26 18:41:25 (still my favorite feature of the pre since day 1) Feb 26 18:41:38 does roaming just roam on the phone signal or data too on the pre as if it's data i'll get charged extortionately Feb 26 18:42:13 iSmite: yours is GSM Feb 26 18:42:13 ? Feb 26 18:42:18 yep Feb 26 18:42:28 so after tomi's errors running preware after 1.4, will there be another preware update? Feb 26 18:42:30 ah, maybe it's a GSM problem then Feb 26 18:42:34 :( Feb 26 18:43:06 Definitely time to stop going to the forums again Feb 26 18:43:16 why Feb 26 18:43:17 it's just..lol well nobody can phone me. Feb 26 18:43:41 Why? Feb 26 18:43:45 is 1.4 out yet? Feb 26 18:43:48 you can control data roaming and what not -- us sprint users don't care because everything's free anyway :) Feb 26 18:43:59 It's like I am reading text messages from a 12 year old. Feb 26 18:44:11 en0x: apparently in vietnam Feb 26 18:44:30 en0x: I ha...oh wait, I shouldn't say that. ;) Feb 26 18:44:34 xcomp, this I know... what about US? sprint/verizon? :P Feb 26 18:44:48 Eguy, ;D i don';t wanna get banned :P Feb 26 18:44:49 it's definitely not out on sprint Feb 26 18:45:10 it's not out on www.palm.com/support/ Feb 26 18:45:27 The Pre users on Mars have reported getting it. Feb 26 18:45:30 en0x: http://bit.ly/9MrtmM Feb 26 18:45:31 sorry kb.palm.com/support Feb 26 18:45:45 i'm so sleepy I think it's because of the weather Feb 26 18:46:57 new england has been perpetually under a rainy/snowy noreaster for days now Feb 26 18:47:10 So since media sync is back, what is the next iTunes version coming out? Feb 26 18:47:12 just like old england then... Feb 26 18:47:15 that's where i'm now mikeDOTd :P Feb 26 18:47:17 heh Feb 26 18:47:19 engadget story says sprint promised it will arrive this evening Feb 26 18:47:25 itunes sync works again? Feb 26 18:47:30 iSmite, nope Feb 26 18:47:59 Eguy: So since media sync is back, what is the next iTunes version coming out? Feb 26 18:48:04 ? Feb 26 18:48:18 palm abandoned itunes sync Feb 26 18:48:24 well, they didn't so much promise as some sprint admin guy posted it on the forums and then later yanked it Feb 26 18:48:39 According to tomi, you can turn it on again Feb 26 18:49:03 well we better get the bloody update when everyone else does, sick of always being behind america Feb 26 18:49:03 Eguy, u can turn media sync option back but it won't work with itunes... Feb 26 18:49:24 Oh well, if you use iTunes, you shouldn't own a computer. Feb 26 18:49:33 anyway I never used that media sync crap... i always use usb drive Feb 26 18:49:57 if you use windows you shouldn't own one either. Feb 26 18:50:01 *cough* Feb 26 18:50:04 lol Feb 26 18:50:11 brb a min lol Feb 26 18:50:13 ;D Feb 26 18:50:50 How much ego was in that statement? Feb 26 18:53:07 Will media sync work w/ MediaMonkey, or is that USB only? Feb 26 18:53:17 And when will MediaMonkey support video? Feb 26 18:53:22 it works with MediaMonkey Feb 26 18:53:23 MediaMonkey has always worked Feb 26 18:53:28 id dont know about video Feb 26 18:53:36 Video you just grab off usb mode Feb 26 18:53:54 video u just put on YT and forget about it :p Feb 26 18:53:55 I have an ego? you're the one judging people's intelligence on capitalization.. Feb 26 18:54:27 en0x: Those "special" videos can't go on youtube. Feb 26 18:54:39 u can always mark them private Feb 26 18:54:47 [; Feb 26 18:57:02 why am i getting excited that updates is taking ages to scan, i know full well it's gonna say i'm up to date Feb 26 18:57:49 It's not even very exciting, don't know why people are going so crazy about it. 1.5 and 2.0 will be bigger milestones. Feb 26 18:58:01 it amuses me Feb 26 18:58:11 i live a very unfulfilling life Feb 26 18:58:28 You're canadien? Feb 26 18:58:38 LOL Feb 26 18:58:44 me? nah british Feb 26 18:59:15 How can you be unfullfilled? You guys have real Black & Tans, not the crap they give us here. Feb 26 18:59:32 and Jeremy Clarkson Feb 26 18:59:38 he's a twat Feb 26 18:59:43 he's awesome Feb 26 18:59:52 because he's a twat Feb 26 18:59:57 lol Feb 26 19:00:13 British people hate him, rest of the world loves him. Feb 26 19:00:16 hmm still checking for updates Feb 26 19:02:01 heh Feb 26 19:02:07 im so tired of the phantom updates Feb 26 19:02:17 id love to see "phone is up to date" Feb 26 19:02:31 "application updates are available." Feb 26 19:02:37 My update app just says application updates are available when there are none. Feb 26 19:02:40 i've never had that error Feb 26 19:02:44 join the club Feb 26 19:02:50 A lot of people do. Feb 26 19:02:57 i've had the too many cards error Feb 26 19:03:13 time not updating and alarms whenever they feel like it Feb 26 19:03:19 Eguy: me, too Feb 26 19:03:34 hmm restoring alarms from palm profile fails Feb 26 19:03:46 hmm. got rid of updates and tried it again, stuck on checking. either it's a good sign or everyone on o2 is clogging it Feb 26 19:03:49 well it restores them but they don't work so I have to remove them all and make new ones Feb 26 19:03:55 1.5 will fix the clock issue and nothing else. Feb 26 19:04:04 my clock never went off Feb 26 19:04:24 mine did for 2 days, alarms have never worked since lol Feb 26 19:04:59 i wonder if google contatcs sync is fixed in 1.4 Feb 26 19:05:13 my google contacts is one of the few things that has always worked Feb 26 19:05:35 iSmite, try to delete a contact on pre and see if it will sync with google, mine don't Feb 26 19:05:50 now how can I sumbit an app to precentral? Feb 26 19:05:52 lol wtf just almost ripped my eyebrow piercing out...yeah mine works i tried that Feb 26 19:05:59 synced fnie Feb 26 19:06:00 fine Feb 26 19:06:04 wtf then Feb 26 19:06:26 en0x: My google sync works fine. Problem? Feb 26 19:06:46 on mine it doesnt Feb 26 19:07:00 when i delete a contact on my pre its not getting synced with google Feb 26 19:07:13 Problem? Feb 26 19:07:17 yes! Feb 26 19:07:40 at least you don't drop 4 out if 5 calls Feb 26 19:07:40 s Feb 26 19:07:43 heh Feb 26 19:07:46 i just want Feb 26 19:07:50 to set a damn primary number Feb 26 19:07:54 that is all i want Feb 26 19:08:03 im so tired of text messaging home numbers Feb 26 19:08:05 or e-mails Feb 26 19:08:21 because they randomly decide to come up first in universal search, or text message to: population Feb 26 19:08:26 That's something I can get behind. Feb 26 19:09:01 its one of the most basic oversights ive been waiting on fora fix Feb 26 19:10:38 hello all. Wondering what's the shortest path for me to get a shell script to send an alert to the user Feb 26 19:11:16 (I'm working on a vpn script, and I'd like to alert when the vpn server becomes un/reachable) Feb 26 19:14:09 FuMan, does android or iphone has something like that? Feb 26 19:14:11 timofalltrades: hmm.. I don't think I've ever done it. I assume that notifications can be sent over the bus, and you could probably script that with luna-send Feb 26 19:14:50 default phone number? Feb 26 19:14:55 FuMan, ya Feb 26 19:15:27 is 2250mAh good for a replacement battery? Feb 26 19:15:39 Android has from the start Feb 26 19:15:47 checkin iphone... Feb 26 19:15:48 no sure - I looked at the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send page, but no mention of it Feb 26 19:15:48 i usually do when somebody has 2 number i put like "Name Cell" and "Name Home" I know this is bad but well Feb 26 19:15:58 yeah, that would be a solution Feb 26 19:16:01 so I have 2 contacts insteqad of one Feb 26 19:16:11 but when they push "synergy, all this information, blah blah blah" Feb 26 19:16:17 and then give you no good way to control it Feb 26 19:16:21 what drives me nuts the most though Feb 26 19:16:23 is how it changes Feb 26 19:16:39 i only agregate contacts from google so I don't care Feb 26 19:16:40 :p Feb 26 19:16:42 default in universal search? mobile, default in text message, e-mail address, default in phone dialer search? home Feb 26 19:16:54 whats the battery that comes with it Feb 26 19:16:57 some of my contacts are just impossible to manage Feb 26 19:17:01 i can get a replacement for a tenner Feb 26 19:18:03 hmm. ok, here's a probably basic question - what's the technical term for the alerts that popup at the bottom of the screen? (so, if I was to do a search online for luna-send and something... what would that something be?) Feb 26 19:18:30 timofalltrades: notifications Feb 26 19:19:20 inobstructive Feb 26 19:19:27 or however they call it Feb 26 19:19:28 :D Feb 26 19:20:34 hmm - ok, thx - I'll go do some searching Feb 26 19:20:55 They are called north of meta-gesture-area in-obstructive notifications window thing. Feb 26 19:22:30 Does anyone know how to clear the state of WebOS wanting to install an Update? My Pre currently has a downloaded 1.3.5.1 update that it wants to install BUT I'm already running 1.3.5.1. Feb 26 19:23:18 i had same thing Merlin Feb 26 19:23:31 so I installed it twice and it doesn't complain about it anymore Feb 26 19:23:34 did you just reinstall and all was OK or ... Feb 26 19:23:47 OK. No issues on the second install/ Feb 26 19:24:07 i got my pre from palm with 1.3.5.1 and when I launched updates app it told me that 1.3.5.1 is available Feb 26 19:24:10 Merlin, nope Feb 26 19:24:27 en0x: Thanks. Will give it a shot. Feb 26 19:24:30 en0x: PRL update Feb 26 19:24:41 azakus, what about it? Feb 26 19:24:51 that's what that is right? Feb 26 19:25:02 PRL? Feb 26 19:25:02 no Feb 26 19:25:06 hmm Feb 26 19:25:08 PRL is for the phone Feb 26 19:25:14 Has nothing to do with the OS version. Feb 26 19:25:29 correct Feb 26 19:25:46 Eguy/azakus: PRL = ? Feb 26 19:25:59 preffered roadming list Feb 26 19:26:07 s/roadming/roaming Feb 26 19:26:08 oh that wasn't a prl update Feb 26 19:26:14 that was a baseband firmware update Feb 26 19:26:16 I'm pretty sure Feb 26 19:26:28 i never got the baseband update Feb 26 19:26:50 Thanks en0x. I've updated that on occasion. No this is unrelated. Update just got confused (probably because I manually started the daemon after leaving it off for a month or so...) Feb 26 19:27:23 hmm i don't like the video somehow "taken with webos 1.4" Feb 26 19:27:31 Seriously, I need a daemon process running 24/7 for something that happens a few times a year. No thanks. Feb 26 19:27:33 it doesn't look like it's VGA resolution Feb 26 19:27:48 Pre isn't VGA Feb 26 19:27:56 I saw somewhere higher resolution was in pipeline but not in 1.4 Feb 26 19:28:02 Eguy, pre isn't but the camera is Feb 26 19:28:06 en0x: what's your firmware version? Feb 26 19:28:11 mine is CC1.3(418) Feb 26 19:28:15 azakus, lemme check Feb 26 19:29:08 azakus, i got the same thing Feb 26 19:29:20 hmmm I got crappy old pre from palm it says rev A Feb 26 19:29:21 :( Feb 26 19:31:38 Nexus One hits FCC again, this time in CDMA trim http://bit.ly/a1H6Et Feb 26 19:31:46 looks like its closer to come to verizon Feb 26 19:32:02 anyone done any debugging on gsm devices when the radio doesn't come up at all? Feb 26 19:35:02 i have no idea u may be better of posting this on forum Feb 26 19:36:51 just reflashed it, see if it behaves better Feb 26 19:37:20 phone offline :C Feb 26 19:37:30 :( Feb 26 19:44:01 check your /var/log/messages or whatever the main log is ? Feb 26 19:44:52 hmm update still just searching and searching Feb 26 19:45:26 iSmite, r u on spritn? Feb 26 19:45:31 iSmite: mine too Feb 26 19:45:33 sup Feb 26 19:45:34 nope o2 gsm Feb 26 19:45:43 iSmite: I'm on Sprint Feb 26 19:45:50 everyones on bloody sprint lol Feb 26 19:45:56 sorry man :-) Feb 26 19:45:58 at least u know u wil get urs today :( Feb 26 19:46:01 I;m on sprint too Feb 26 19:46:01 :) Feb 26 19:46:23 iSmite: gsm... Feb 26 19:46:32 ..non working one. bleh Feb 26 19:47:04 rofl Feb 26 19:47:20 well mines barely working, i mean the phone part don't work Feb 26 19:47:28 ... Feb 26 19:47:30 still Feb 26 19:47:42 iSmite: why not? Feb 26 19:47:51 cos i get a crap signal with the pre Feb 26 19:47:56 ah Feb 26 19:48:02 not just me loads of o2 users say same thing Feb 26 19:48:14 i said earlier, i take the sim out, put it in my iphone, full signal. Feb 26 19:48:28 on pre u get 1 bar? :> Feb 26 19:49:29 1-2 bars yeah sometimes 3 Feb 26 19:50:23 i get full bars on my sprint pre ;) Feb 26 19:50:34 iSmite, maybe ur radio is borked? tried to exchange it? Feb 26 19:50:39 i did Feb 26 19:50:42 thi is the new one. Feb 26 19:51:14 lol :( Feb 26 19:51:37 go back again Feb 26 19:52:05 ugh no they make u wait 2 hours to 'test' it and I have to go 15 miles Feb 26 19:52:13 both my pres were brand new sealed Feb 26 19:53:18 oh that sucks :( Feb 26 19:53:28 sorry to hear that man Feb 26 19:53:31 lol Feb 26 19:53:32 thx Feb 26 19:54:08 hmm i think when I get 1.4 I will "release" myself Feb 26 19:54:10 funny thing was though the first week i had my first pre i had a good signal. then all of a sudden it dropped to 2 bars and dropped calls Feb 26 19:54:57 zsoc, did u heard the news? Feb 26 19:55:11 en0x said he's going to release himself all over #webos-internals Feb 26 19:55:20 is Sprint still letting themselves be talked into sending along a free hotspot? you might want to give that a shot Feb 26 19:55:30 en0x, be careful about what you say Feb 26 19:55:32 zsoc, the webos 1.4 is not out yet ;d hahahahahahhahahaha Feb 26 19:55:37 heh Feb 26 19:55:39 :D Feb 26 19:56:08 all - it looks like I can't bring up a notification - that ability is reserved for applications. Short of writing an application to do this... Feb 26 19:56:28 can anyone think of a clever way to alert a user when something happens from a shell script? Feb 26 19:56:36 email might be an option, except that's not installed either Feb 26 19:56:57 timofalltrades, aplay? Feb 26 19:57:09 timofalltrades: you can make a sound or you can vibrate the phone Feb 26 19:57:11 aplay? Feb 26 19:57:16 ahhh Feb 26 19:57:25 timofalltrades, alsa utility, plays a sound Feb 26 19:57:27 that's not a bad idea.... Feb 26 19:57:28 timofalltrades: I'm not sure how you'd inform the user WHY their phone just buzzed or tooted Feb 26 19:57:36 yeah, that's the trick I guess Feb 26 19:57:46 but if I make it a really obvious sound, that would help Feb 26 19:58:02 timofalltrades, could be a custom sound... Feb 26 19:58:05 your sound could be a sexy voice saying "Tim wants you to know {whatever}" Feb 26 19:58:15 LOL Feb 26 19:58:16 nice Feb 26 19:58:20 timofalltrades, yeah, actually i think there's support for vocalization of a string Feb 26 19:58:23 timofalltrades: I vaguely recall there being a way to send SMS without an app. Feb 26 19:58:33 also a cool idea. Feb 26 19:58:39 yeah - I think you can do that via luna-send. Feb 26 19:58:52 it would be nice if there was a luna-send you could do to display a notification at the bottom of the screen Feb 26 19:58:55 is there a way to know the current phone's phone number via script? Feb 26 19:59:31 tim: could just have them all SMS you. ;-) Feb 26 19:59:37 LOL Feb 26 19:59:46 (umm... uhh.... sounds like a bad plan. ;) Feb 26 20:00:12 timofalltrades, just have them email you everything in their /media/internal, after zipping it. Feb 26 20:00:19 The phone number must be in cleartext somewhere in the OS. Is this a full access root script you're talking about? Feb 26 20:00:49 right now its just being installed from the command line, so yes - its running as root Feb 26 20:01:00 I bet I could pull it from PalmDatabase.db3 somehow Feb 26 20:01:02 timofalltrades, i bet the user knows their phone number Feb 26 20:01:05 You really should build a service like PreWare that does just what you want. they have a notification dialog from script results so... Feb 26 20:01:29 yes i agree, a C service is the best option Feb 26 20:02:19 Much more work of course. We need an easy access read-only user for scripts to enable some simple utilities. Feb 26 20:04:56 I wonder if we can check for updates programmatically Feb 26 20:05:13 or pragmatically Feb 26 20:05:24 or even demonstratively Feb 26 20:05:24 if so, we could run infobot on a pre and he could announce the release Feb 26 20:05:42 timofalltrades: this list may be helpful to you http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Feb 26 20:08:47 infobot: is it out yet? Feb 26 20:09:44 I i have done everything on my pre and preware and the package was installed but now it doesnt recognize the package Feb 26 20:10:10 Merlin - I'd love to do that, just don't have the time to dig into it now Feb 26 20:11:30 it would be awfully nice if there was a service for this kind of thing already... Feb 26 20:18:00 8pm here now Feb 26 20:18:02 no update. Feb 26 20:18:14 Time to grab a pint then. Feb 26 20:18:18 it won't happen for u iSmite Feb 26 20:18:19 ;D Feb 26 20:18:31 * iSmite stabs o2 in the eye with a stabby thing Feb 26 20:18:39 i am actually about to have a pint and an indian Feb 26 20:18:41 with ice picker Feb 26 20:18:41 ;D Feb 26 20:18:42 u psychic Feb 26 20:18:59 indian? Feb 26 20:19:07 You mean a fag? Feb 26 20:19:10 i'm a chery picker! Feb 26 20:19:35 BoomerET: I assume he means a diminutive brown person from south asia Feb 26 20:19:45 nah ill have the fag with my pint the indian means indian food Feb 26 20:19:47 I was assuming he meant a smoke. Feb 26 20:19:52 Ahhh Feb 26 20:19:52 im a she Feb 26 20:20:10 Now I know :) Feb 26 20:20:29 iSmite: you've just announced that you may be a girl to a "room" full of geeks. Feb 26 20:20:32 lemme translate: one will sup a pint of best bitter along with a cigarette and fine indian food made by indian men in the posh indian restaurant up the road. Feb 26 20:20:41 and I also assume you mean Hindi food. Indian to me means something entirely different. Feb 26 20:20:46 nt4cats- i admin the biggest iphone forum on the internet.. Feb 26 20:20:50 and their irc Feb 26 20:20:53 im used to it Feb 26 20:21:09 hmm the iphone should be called gayphone Feb 26 20:21:11 iSmite: I apologize in advance for all of the private requests you're probably getting right now for pictures of your boobs Feb 26 20:21:17 after all apple supports gays Feb 26 20:21:19 hmm Feb 26 20:21:24 whats wrong with gays Feb 26 20:21:38 nt4cats- no i only get those on my channel Feb 26 20:21:51 i tell them to show me their balls and they shut up Feb 26 20:21:56 Gay means happy, please don't use that term to refer to people who prefer an alternate lifestyle. Feb 26 20:21:56 no hating tho Feb 26 20:22:18 i don't disrespect I'm just sayin Feb 26 20:22:28 homophobe!! lynch him Feb 26 20:22:47 :-/ the park by my house growing up was on gay street, I wonder if it's still called "gay park" Feb 26 20:22:57 or rather if gay street is still called that Feb 26 20:23:04 I'm a carbon-based bipedal homo sapien. Feb 26 20:23:13 close to my street there is gay st. Feb 26 20:23:16 Well, I guess that's a bit redundant. Feb 26 20:23:37 twice redundant Feb 26 20:23:58 i know a married gay bloke, been with his hb 15 years he's well sound, you can have a good laugh with gay men Feb 26 20:24:04 zsoc, still no 1.4 ;( Feb 26 20:24:05 I'm one of the founding members of the NRC club. Feb 26 20:24:16 as long as whomever you're having it off with is old enough and sober enough to consent, I don't care. Feb 26 20:24:22 National Redundancy Club Club Feb 26 20:24:28 nt4cats- why take the fun out of it... Feb 26 20:24:29 lol Feb 26 20:24:46 mind u drunk blokes r useless Feb 26 20:24:47 Kinda like when you boot Win2000 - Based on NT Technology. Feb 26 20:25:21 gah housemate is yelling at me Feb 26 20:25:26 * jacques doesn't boot NT. Feb 26 20:25:35 BBC has had some great shows. Merlin is one of their best I think. Feb 26 20:25:46 bbc went to shit in the late 90's Feb 26 20:25:50 Dr Who ftw Feb 26 20:25:52 i don't watch tv at all now Feb 26 20:26:10 Red Dwarf, Black Adder, Wooster & Jeeves Feb 26 20:26:15 red dwarf ftw Feb 26 20:26:19 fools and horses Feb 26 20:26:21 Oh, and that detective who was a magician? Feb 26 20:26:23 you ever seen bottom? Feb 26 20:26:43 enox counter today, he has said 1.4 13 times Feb 26 20:26:43 iSmite, who's bottom? Feb 26 20:26:50 its a uk comedy Feb 26 20:26:52 90's Feb 26 20:26:54 not to break up the party, but for anyone who's looking for the current phone's number: Feb 26 20:26:54 Going out for a gyro, talk at ya'll later :) Feb 26 20:26:54 sqlite3 /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 'select phoneNumber from com_palm_data_carriernetworksettings_ActiveCarrierNetworkPrefs' Feb 26 20:26:56 so that means he's said 1.4 at least 1 time per hour ;) Feb 26 20:27:04 fuckin hilarious its all fighting and slapstick toilet humour Feb 26 20:27:06 en0x, you're so pro Feb 26 20:27:21 ;D Feb 26 20:27:33 1.4 ;D Feb 26 20:27:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On2SdTcSEd4 Feb 26 20:27:41 ^bottom Feb 26 20:28:17 iSmite: what's your iPhone forum site? Feb 26 20:28:23 xsellize Feb 26 20:28:29 raster, ping ? Feb 26 20:28:41 360, 000 members and counting :P Feb 26 20:28:59 combined with luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.messaging/sendMessageFromCompose '{"recipientJSONArray": [{"lastName": "", "pictureLoc": "", "contactCount": 1, "displayText": "", "firstName": "", "pictureLocBig": "", "imAvailability": 6, "pictureLocSquare": "", "contactDisplay": "", "Person_id": "", "personId": "", "type": "phone", "value": "8165551234", "alreadyValidated": true, "prefix": "to$A", "identifier": ""}], "messageText": "Content of mess Feb 26 20:29:02 I have what I need Feb 26 20:29:23 thats a one long luna-send Feb 26 20:29:45 im pumpa on xsellize, same as on precentral Feb 26 20:29:51 morning Feb 26 20:29:53 timofalltrades: I was about to tell everyone to start dialing this number "8165551234" .. then I realized you're smarter than me. Feb 26 20:29:53 ayway i need my beer Feb 26 20:29:56 bbiab Feb 26 20:30:00 'lo rwhitby Feb 26 20:30:25 lol Feb 26 20:30:28 rwhitby: is there a way for a linux app to cause a notification sort of message to pop up (presumably at the bottom of the UI) Feb 26 20:30:41 rwhitby: morning, are there german pre's in your AUPT stats? ;) Feb 26 20:30:42 actually, that's straight off the wiki Feb 26 20:30:47 nt4cats: nope Feb 26 20:30:48 so I'm actually just lazy. Feb 26 20:30:53 but, I'll take "smarter" too. ;) Feb 26 20:32:25 hi rwhitby Feb 26 20:34:19 ahhh Feb 26 20:34:20 meta Feb 26 20:34:24 you're the nukem tweeter. Feb 26 20:34:43 hehe Feb 26 20:34:44 hucksy: there were at least a couple from Germany Feb 26 20:34:52 GAH! Apparently, Sprint doesn't allow you to send a txt to yourself. Bugger all. Feb 26 20:35:00 wankers. Feb 26 20:35:02 ah nice Feb 26 20:35:03 suprisingly, my grep says 33 people right now, which seems very low Feb 26 20:35:03 tnx Feb 26 20:35:36 hm yeah, my pre says up to date Feb 26 20:36:21 i think this are users with the sprint OS Feb 26 20:36:49 rwhitby, maybe some looking at the 1.4 feed through web browser? Feb 26 20:37:06 en0x: some are, but those are not part of the 33 Feb 26 20:37:16 en0x: user-agent should be in the log file. Feb 26 20:37:35 unless their web browser is 'wget', and they can time their requests perfectly for an "update all" Feb 26 20:37:51 i used wget to look at websites :D Feb 26 20:38:04 timofalltrades: I just texted myself and it went through Feb 26 20:38:09 and wget --mirror would do different stuff too Feb 26 20:38:24 timofalltrades: and I'm on sprint Feb 26 20:38:37 rwhitby: we should wget -U ipkgservice :) Feb 26 20:38:44 and I asked the guy who sent screenshots of 1.4 OTA for his IP address and patch list, and it matched the order that Preware would update them (which he wouldn't know in advance) Feb 26 20:38:45 :> Feb 26 20:39:17 (and I saw his Preware access the feed in that order, including a patch in the middle that he had a problem with) Feb 26 20:39:24 morning rwhitby Feb 26 20:41:23 interesting site: http://www.bestbuymobile.com/article/webos-internals-releases-native-irc-client Feb 26 20:41:40 anyone in US get 1.4 yet? Feb 26 20:42:21 rwhitby, bestbuy guys love webos-internals :p Feb 26 20:42:34 lol Feb 26 20:43:10 clash of titans looks pretty lame Feb 26 20:43:17 Kyusaku: you're right, it was a problem with the way I wrote my script... working on it. Feb 26 20:43:17 agreed Feb 26 20:46:45 lololol Feb 26 20:46:51 my plan, on sprint Feb 26 20:46:54 so when 1.4 hits, i dont have to uninstall patches? Feb 26 20:46:57 we used 88 anytime minutes last month, across 3 lines Feb 26 20:47:00 Any Mobile = win Feb 26 20:47:04 CorpX: no Feb 26 20:47:48 how does that work exactly? i saw jason's post on precentral, but still a lil confused Feb 26 20:48:14 hey guys, how can i uninstall optware? just nuke /opt/ ? or any other way? nothing in the wiki about it Feb 26 20:48:17 1.4 will overwrite patch files, right? Feb 26 20:48:26 (i'm trying to "virginise" my phone) Feb 26 20:48:34 so when u reboot, patch will check version # and does nothing if # doesnt match? Feb 26 20:48:41 cnolan: if you want to really virginize it .. Feb 26 20:48:48 cnolan: do a full erase and then doctor your phone Feb 26 20:49:18 cnolan: (at least that's what I did, and it seemed to accomlish the task) Feb 26 20:49:50 nt4cats, ahh cool. i get confused about whether a "full erase" is really a "full erase" and whether doctoring would even affect the /opt/ directory since recent doctors dont affect the media directory? Feb 26 20:50:20 thats why you do the erase first Feb 26 20:50:42 loot-, ok, but does the erase even touch that directory? :) Feb 26 20:50:44 if you didnt /opt is not touched if im not mistaken Feb 26 20:50:48 full now Feb 26 20:50:54 * iSmite is listening to Behind The Wheel by Depeche Mode from Music For The Masses Feb 26 20:50:59 ...its the beer Feb 26 20:51:15 sweet, thanks folks. Feb 26 20:51:32 is it beer:thirty already? Feb 26 20:51:39 * psykoz grins to Depeche Mode Feb 26 20:51:43 woo! Feb 26 20:51:47 Music for the Masses? That's smack in my wheelhouse from my high school years Feb 26 20:51:54 yeah i got into them in 88 Feb 26 20:51:57 beer:thirty is always happening all the time Feb 26 20:52:03 iSmite must be really old Feb 26 20:52:06 old fart Feb 26 20:52:07 im obsessed with dm, saw them in december Feb 26 20:52:15 timofalltrades (if you're still here): I agree about a generic service for notifications. Growl on the Pre would rock. Feb 26 20:52:23 awesome. Feb 26 20:52:30 * mickeyl big fan of DM since 83 Feb 26 20:52:35 iloveyou Feb 26 20:52:41 :) Feb 26 20:52:53 mickeyl just said he came out of the womb being a depeche mode fan ;) Feb 26 20:53:00 heh Feb 26 20:53:02 i'm an old fart Feb 26 20:53:06 i am marrying mickeyl Feb 26 20:53:07 i was 12 at that time Feb 26 20:53:08 he dont know it yet Feb 26 20:53:24 thats if i don't marry martin gore first Feb 26 20:53:27 it seems me and mickeyl are the same age Feb 26 20:53:32 hmm, how long should i wait for my pre to reboot (its stuck on the palm screen) before giving up and taking the battery out? I've just run EPR on it, and the reboot is taking forever. Feb 26 20:53:46 1983 - 12 == my birth year Feb 26 20:53:52 mickeyl: *you're* an old fart? Feb 26 20:53:57 im not as old as you two Feb 26 20:54:03 mickeyl: you're a spring chicken Feb 26 20:54:07 iSmite, I saw Depeche Mode live. They didn't serve beer, they served champagne with straberrys cut in it Feb 26 20:54:23 rwhitby: heh Feb 26 20:54:34 rwhitby: you got a couple of years more, i know Feb 26 20:54:43 cnolan: nuke /opt/* and /etc/event.d/optware-* Feb 26 20:54:46 * nt4cats saw Depeche Mode in Philly in 1993(ish) Feb 26 20:54:50 cnolan, ~ 3min Feb 26 20:54:51 Merlin: growl on the Pre *would* rock! Feb 26 20:54:54 my pre has martin gore wallpaper as does the iphone, and the music apps on both only have dm, no joke Feb 26 20:54:58 it was probably 86 or so when I was a depeche mode fan Feb 26 20:55:04 thnx rwhitby and en0x. Feb 26 20:55:11 when I started being a depechemode fan* Feb 26 20:56:03 * iSmite is listening to Christmas Island Extended by Depeche Mode from Rarities, B-Sides & Instrumentals (CD2) Feb 26 20:56:06 cnolan: you're welcome (I'm the one who told you to full erase and then doctor ;) ) Feb 26 20:56:39 mickeyl- i am gonna buy an emulator ii Feb 26 20:57:01 heh Feb 26 20:57:02 really? Feb 26 20:57:13 yep. Feb 26 20:57:19 it's outdated like hell, but it surely is a classic Feb 26 20:57:25 nothing sounds like it Feb 26 20:57:25 nothing comes close to the 8 bit aliasing Feb 26 20:57:28 hehe Feb 26 20:57:29 righto Feb 26 20:57:47 emax is cheaper but i want the emii Feb 26 20:57:55 back then when people had almost no memory in their machines, they were _creative_ Feb 26 20:58:01 not like today :/ Feb 26 20:58:09 ive downloaded a lot of the banks Feb 26 20:58:47 awesome. keep us posted when you record something with it Feb 26 20:58:56 lol k i will Feb 26 20:59:05 i was field recording last year in summer Feb 26 20:59:11 got some great metallic noises and stuff Feb 26 20:59:17 nice Feb 26 20:59:18 now i just need to find time to do something with it Feb 26 20:59:23 too much FOSS Feb 26 20:59:29 not enough music Feb 26 21:00:03 BoomerET: BBC Merlin - Well it is based on the world's best name. That's my given believe it or not. Feb 26 21:00:30 no dont go..bah. Feb 26 21:00:49 and you're not biased in any way, shape or form :) Feb 26 21:01:06 * iSmite is listening to Route 66 by Depeche Mode from The Complete Depeche Mode: DMBX4 Feb 26 21:04:01 hmm, "rm: cannot remove '/opt': Device or resource busy" any ideas? Feb 26 21:04:18 Open question; If I where to get (slightly slow) into understanding amending/building patches — where would I start to educate myself? Feb 26 21:06:43 Haakon__, they are standard unix diff files, so maybe read up about "diff" and "patch" commands on unix? Feb 26 21:10:00 cnolan: Stop any optware- services and make sure you're not running any bins from /opt (i run a shell out of there in terminal so...) Feb 26 21:10:40 Merlin, I just did rm -rf /opt/* and that worked fine, so I guess you can't delete a root directory? Feb 26 21:11:17 Thanks cnolan. Feb 26 21:11:21 cnolan: Maybe just busy because it's mounted. Will it let you unmount and rmdir now? Feb 26 21:12:36 I was left a bit lost looking at a patch file, since my background is Basic dialects and ASP on Windows. Feb 26 21:12:38 Merlin, ahh yes, i had to umount /opt and then it let me rmdir /opt/ i should have realised that , thanks man Feb 26 21:12:42 Haakon__: You setup with git already? git will let you pull all patches to (or other computer for that matter) without applying and then you can examine them at will. Feb 26 21:13:08 to (or other => to Pre (or other Feb 26 21:13:35 I just had a look at Gitorious and decided I'd rather come here to ask than waste my time figuring out everything myself. Feb 26 21:13:55 1.4 roll-out stats: http://forums.precentral.net/2253566-post36.html Feb 26 21:14:02 I'll take any starters tip with me ... 8o) Feb 26 21:14:10 rwhitby: Thanks. Feb 26 21:14:48 cnolan: rm /opt/* Feb 26 21:14:57 rwhitby, any idea how these people are getting 1.4? Feb 26 21:15:02 rwhitby: any idea if the ones in the us are on gsm/verizon/sprint? Feb 26 21:15:06 you can't deleted the target of a bind mount Feb 26 21:15:13 rwhitby, i just unmounted and removed /opt/ directory, will that be ok? :) Feb 26 21:15:18 cnolan: yep Feb 26 21:15:30 azakus: can't tell - people use wifi to update Feb 26 21:15:39 ah Feb 26 21:15:42 I'd suspect it is all GSM so far Feb 26 21:15:47 probably Feb 26 21:16:18 rwhitby: thanks for the info Feb 26 21:16:25 rwhitby, sorry man, yep to which question? :) Feb 26 21:16:28 rwhitby (or anyone, I just know Rod's the man so...): Any idea how to stop my Pre from wantin to install 1.3.5.1 every single time I run the Update app? Feb 26 21:17:17 wantinG, stupid old slow USB keyboard. Feb 26 21:17:33 waiting for 1.4 is dreadful. on top of the massive snow i had to shovel this morning Feb 26 21:18:12 Smubeht: You east coast too? Feb 26 21:18:17 nj Feb 26 21:18:18 yep Feb 26 21:18:34 well i give up my update app just searche Feb 26 21:18:35 s Feb 26 21:18:36 Looks like en0x is now up to 14 mentions of 1.4 today ;) Who can top en0x? Feb 26 21:18:38 cant be arsed Feb 26 21:18:39 I got lucky, no snow yesterday, inches today though. Feb 26 21:18:40 crikey, no i'm in a WebOSDoctor "We were unable to reset your phone" nightmare :( Feb 26 21:18:55 like 8 inches yesterday and like 12 today Feb 26 21:19:03 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 Feb 26 21:19:19 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1. Feb 26 21:19:19 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 Feb 26 21:19:24 i raise u. Feb 26 21:19:25 haha Feb 26 21:19:26 with spammage Feb 26 21:19:26 Smubeht: dang. Feb 26 21:19:31 terribad Feb 26 21:19:31 Merlin, iSmite: behaviour like that will get you kicked :-) Feb 26 21:19:41 sorry dad :( Feb 26 21:19:52 ill return the favour if you ever come in my irc :P Feb 26 21:19:53 Rod's joking right? I would be sad. Feb 26 21:20:31 rwhitby: Any clues on my "Update app always thinks it wants 1.3.5.1 again" issue? Feb 26 21:20:33 I had to wield the kick for the first time yesterday when we had all the PreCentrallers arrive at once :-) Feb 26 21:20:45 at least you dont get mibbits. Feb 26 21:20:45 Merlin: http://www.precentral.net/what-causes-those-recurring-webos-updates-and-how-fix-it Feb 26 21:20:53 my fingers are still trigger-happy ... ;-) Feb 26 21:20:55 Prefab: THANKS!!! Feb 26 21:21:51 um sample text from our irc: Realz: Fux nutter n penut butter Feb 26 21:21:52 [21:16] Casey: weeeeeeeeee Feb 26 21:22:20 Hmm. I manually added a couple links to the root folder. I'll take them out and see if that stops the madness. thanks Prefab. Feb 26 21:22:42 ok, figured out the controls, more or less Feb 26 21:23:05 rwhitby: do you know if one can also use the frame buffer 90° turned? Feb 26 21:23:11 iSmite: i feel bad, letting forum down by lowering it to standards of yours. ;-) Feb 26 21:23:13 means portrait? Feb 26 21:23:22 ours is a good laugh Feb 26 21:24:35 our irc greeting: [ Welcome to xSellize IRC! ][ xRepo: http://www.xsellize.com/cydia.php ][ Wyze is so leet but pumpa pwns u while RealzG bothers your animals ] Feb 26 21:25:37 MetaView: dunno, I'm just the packaging monkey around here :-) Feb 26 21:33:00 any one here encode videos on their pre? Feb 26 21:33:13 farms: i will when I get 1.4 Feb 26 21:33:20 for their pre i should say Feb 26 21:33:59 1.4 will be exciting, im looking forward to swat the penguin tho lol Feb 26 21:34:11 rwhitby: but you know why duke doesn't start from icon ? :) Feb 26 21:34:15 victory! Thanks again Prefab! FYI: Manually restore root folder to normal status without a full Dr. does the trick just fine. Feb 26 21:34:44 Merlin: glad it worked Feb 26 21:35:12 Merlin: SDL? SWSURFACE or OPENGLES ? Feb 26 21:35:32 re: your fb 90degree question Feb 26 21:35:58 ouch - sorry - above was meant for MetaView Feb 26 21:36:06 jacques: Huh? I just had /op => /opt/src/patches and /om => /opt/src/modifications to save some typing when running quilt. Feb 26 21:36:16 Oh, gotcha. Feb 26 21:36:21 yeah sorry :-) Feb 26 21:38:56 Anyone know if you can make a patch file that correponding to creating a soft link? I can't diff /dev/null against my link because it links to a directory so complains there is no "null" file in the dir. Feb 26 21:39:09 corresponds nt corresponding. Feb 26 21:39:31 I don't think so - use a script Feb 26 21:39:47 lol Feb 26 21:39:50 patch has no concept of file types Feb 26 21:40:01 precentral posts a wrong short-link on twitter Feb 26 21:40:07 funny Feb 26 21:40:42 the precentral guy seems to like judas priest ;) Feb 26 21:40:52 Sigh. Removes plain files just fine. My diff /dev/null /etc/event.d/UpdateDaemon made a patch just fine. Ah well. Feb 26 21:41:08 Thanks jacques. Feb 26 21:41:26 hi all i just had a quick question that i cant find the answer too.....i am considering buying the pre or pixi next week and i was wondering if it is possible to change the font size for things like text messageing and email. When i was playing with it in the store i thought it could have been a little smaller. Thanks in advance Feb 26 21:41:44 ryan_: Yes. Feb 26 21:42:01 ryan_: You have to patch it though, not built into the base OS. Feb 26 21:42:22 Merlin: thanks is it easy to patch? Feb 26 21:42:23 I run my messaging a couple font sizes smaller than default. Very handy. Feb 26 21:42:48 ryan_: thanks to rwhitby (here i think) absolutely. Feb 26 21:43:18 A little initial work to root (but not violating your agreement like with an iPhone, just declaring yourself a developer). Feb 26 21:43:24 jacques: sry, was playing Feb 26 21:43:29 normal fb Feb 26 21:43:39 Once rooted, manually install PreWare and from there all is cake. Feb 26 21:43:43 Merlin: awesome.....in that case i will see you on here/forums i will be tinkering like crazy Feb 26 21:43:56 sounds like cake Feb 26 21:44:03 MetaView: you should be able to just set the resolution to 480x320 to get landscape, and 320x480 to get portrait Feb 26 21:44:21 ryan_: Install wIrc app and you can chat here from your train ride (or plane with WiFi). ;-0 Feb 26 21:44:24 ;-) Feb 26 21:44:54 oh, ok, but the game will probably ask for stuff like 320x240, or 400x300 Feb 26 21:44:57 Merlin: i like the phone more already see you next week!!!!! Feb 26 21:45:18 hm, but anyway, I think I find a way to make it usable Feb 26 21:45:41 MetaView: well, it *may* be that any res where x > y will display landscape Feb 26 21:45:42 the controls... it's a pity we don't have a 5-way nav controller Feb 26 21:45:44 MetaView: haven't looked at duke - 1.4 arriving took priority Feb 26 21:45:45 ryan_: Welcome. This truly is the most open dev env. OK, I admit I haven't tinkered with Android, but as I said to an iPhone user the other day, once you go "gesture" you never go back. Feb 26 21:45:55 Anyone try installing the Independent Film Big Star app? When I do it doesn't fully complete the install Feb 26 21:45:55 rwhitby: np. Feb 26 21:46:36 rwhitby, your add/delete pages patch is very persistent. i still have 4 pages even after uninstalling the patch, full reset, and doctoring the phone! :) Feb 26 21:46:47 djkl: BigStar worked for me. Feb 26 21:46:52 cnolan: launcher settings are stored in your palm profile Feb 26 21:47:08 Merlin: haha who wants to write java anyways Feb 26 21:47:13 rwhitby, ahh makes sense :) Feb 26 21:47:18 rwhitby-laucher: Sweet. Feb 26 21:47:34 Merlin: you know whats weird too when i went to pick my nick i almost went with merlin lol Feb 26 21:47:35 same with the led notifications Feb 26 21:47:43 java: not me. then again javascript... Feb 26 21:47:45 both of them freak people out when they full erase and doctor Feb 26 21:48:21 * cnolan got freaked out Feb 26 21:48:22 ryan_; sorry, as a "Merlin" from birth I've never been into nicknames. I've had people not believe it was given name until shown driver's license. Feb 26 21:48:54 er how do i remove an ap that doesnt show as installed but is there....fuxed installation Feb 26 21:48:55 Merlin: wow thats pretty cool actually Feb 26 21:49:01 Merlin: Feb 26 21:49:11 heh i had a william gates jr try to buy something from me when i worked at an pc store many years ago. id was required :) Feb 26 21:49:19 ryan_: Thanks. Not great around 4-18 but... Feb 26 21:49:35 I went to school with a Charlie Brown, Thomas Thomas, Nancy Ann Cianci. (Say that last one fast) Feb 26 21:49:39 Merlin: haha i bet Feb 26 21:49:45 mikewx: I had a Machael Jackson student once.. Feb 26 21:49:55 Merlin: well im outa here see ya round Feb 26 21:50:00 ryan_: as an adult I like it. Feb 26 21:50:09 yeahi work with a charlie brown, i almost deleted him from the email ssytem when i started here because i thought he was a test account (we had several fictional chars as test accounts) Feb 26 21:50:09 ryan_: enjoy pre. Later. Feb 26 21:50:12 You were a teacher too? I used to be a college prof, I hated it. Feb 26 21:50:38 merlin. my sons name is caelan supposed to b one of king arthurs knights or something Feb 26 21:50:42 Anyone try installing the Independent Film Big Star app? When I do it doesn't fully complete the install Feb 26 21:50:48 BoomerET: Grad student. They do a lot of the real teaching at universities. Feb 26 21:51:00 djkl: YES. It worked for me. Feb 26 21:51:01 djk i am having the same problem with another app Feb 26 21:51:33 iSmite; Mine is Tristan. Different legand, same island. Feb 26 21:51:35 Yes, my lab classes were taught by Grad students. Feb 26 21:51:52 i think i'm going to wear-out the "Updates" button before 1.4 is released Feb 26 21:52:02 any clue why? Feb 26 21:52:03 my updates button just sticks on searching Feb 26 21:52:45 rwwhitby, did 1.4 pop on ur pre Feb 26 21:53:01 *rwhitby Feb 26 21:53:05 my Update app always claims "Application updates are now available" but just shows all my PreWare installed apps. Feb 26 21:53:28 farms: only 33 so far, i think Rod would have mentioned if he was 1. Feb 26 21:53:44 mine keeps telling me that because of NFSU - I haven't been near a fast wifi to download the update Feb 26 21:53:55 farms: nope Feb 26 21:53:58 :( lol i want it already Feb 26 21:54:02 but all in due time Feb 26 21:54:05 * rwhitby bbl Feb 26 21:55:31 farms: (imagine me as girl from commericals) Patience my friend, the WebOS update will flow to your device in good time. Relax and be one with the phone, it will tell you when the advancement to the next stage is ready. Feb 26 21:55:58 lol as blinded by the light from manfred man starts playing... Feb 26 21:56:23 she could use a tan Feb 26 21:56:33 . o ( Merlin's a creepy albino.. ) Feb 26 21:56:36 they should have just used maria sharipova :) Feb 26 21:56:40 That said now that I've fixed my phone's "I want 1.3.5.1 again" bug I've hit the update check button about 10 times. Feb 26 21:57:29 Sprint should just have a website where you can register your cell # to get an SMS when the Update is ready. Feb 26 21:57:42 Then we could really take down their servers.... ;-0 Feb 26 21:57:45 ;-) Feb 26 21:57:58 *Merlin curses sticky shift key Feb 26 21:58:12 how do I make that all blue and cool/ Feb 26 21:58:18 Stop hitting it 5 times :) Feb 26 21:58:32 I mean look like an "action" Feb 26 21:58:50 anyone here have the pre plus? Feb 26 21:59:09 no, because like everything else we dont have it in the uk...gah. Feb 26 21:59:10 YeeHaaa, I just hit update, and it says my phone is up to date!!! Feb 26 21:59:15 LOL Feb 26 21:59:17 ChanServer: What is mode +v -- (how do I ask it questions?) Feb 26 21:59:17 Hey all, I am having my first issue with patches. I ran the EPV tool and got back an error saying autoenable-ip-forwarding mobile hotspot and an identical one with hotspot1 were on there and need removing, problem is, i cannot find them in webosQI to remove Feb 26 21:59:32 lol merlin wtf Feb 26 22:00:02 ~+v Feb 26 22:00:03 Portable C++ GUI Framework. URL: http://objectcentral.com/ Feb 26 22:00:16 iSmite: This is my maybe 3rd time in an IRC chat room, give me a break. Feb 26 22:00:20 Heh, didn't work. :) Feb 26 22:00:24 :P Feb 26 22:00:32 ~~~~ Feb 26 22:00:33 ARGH!!! STOP IT tibfib!!! Feb 26 22:00:41 Use the ~tilda Feb 26 22:00:43 ~? Feb 26 22:00:48 ~Tibfib Feb 26 22:00:53 BoomerET: Why is that good? Feb 26 22:00:56 hmm might not work on myself. Feb 26 22:01:02 ~rwhitby Feb 26 22:01:03 rwhitby is, like, the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). an honorary WHE Feb 26 22:01:16 -zsoc Feb 26 22:01:24 ~zsoc Feb 26 22:01:25 ~Tibfib Feb 26 22:01:25 i guess zsoc is the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. Feb 26 22:01:44 I don't think I'm important enough to be on there Feb 26 22:01:48 ~Merlin Feb 26 22:01:48 Oh yeah it's this Feb 26 22:01:50 i heard merlin is a dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx Feb 26 22:01:54 ~seen Tibfib Feb 26 22:01:56 tibfib is currently on #webos-internals (26m 25s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen Tibfib'. Feb 26 22:01:59 Cool, how do you get in the DB. Feb 26 22:02:01 Hey! Feb 26 22:02:12 ~seen Merlin Feb 26 22:02:13 ~MetaView_pre Feb 26 22:02:13 merlin is currently on #webos-internals (2h 40m 57s). Has said a total of 75 messages. Is idling for 12s, last said: 'Hey!'. Feb 26 22:02:17 infobot: F you! Feb 26 22:02:27 hehe the joy of bots Feb 26 22:02:39 ~football Feb 26 22:02:40 hmm... football is played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid Feb 26 22:02:43 ~seen BoomerET Feb 26 22:02:44 boomeret is currently on #webos-internals (4h 31m 9s). Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 32s, last said: '~seen Merlin'. Feb 26 22:03:16 ~ Feb 26 22:03:20 What's the ~ for an action? "Merlin stabs infobot in the modem..." Feb 26 22:03:26 ~seen iSmite Feb 26 22:03:27 ismite is currently on #webos-internals (1d 12h 53m 43s). Has said a total of 206 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen iSmite'. Feb 26 22:03:33 * sugardave stabs Merlin with a spoon. Feb 26 22:03:34 1 day rofl Feb 26 22:03:54 that's not football, that's american football (i think..) Feb 26 22:04:02 indeed Feb 26 22:04:04 Come on, somebody tell me. Feb 26 22:04:05 there's another kind? Feb 26 22:04:08 heh Feb 26 22:04:28 yeah your football is like rugby for pussi*es they wear so much protection :P Feb 26 22:04:39 ugh..asterisk fail :( Feb 26 22:04:56 * Merlin defelcts sugardave's spoon with a wet pancake. Feb 26 22:04:56 That's why we have lingerie football league Feb 26 22:04:59 haven't you heard of it? Feb 26 22:05:03 at least they're not a bunch of toothless, crotch-grabbing hooligans Feb 26 22:05:07 oh wait Feb 26 22:05:15 heh like to see whod win a fight Feb 26 22:05:20 i hate rugby anyway Feb 26 22:05:28 * Merlin Thanks Google for being more helpful than any of the webos-internals irc channel users. Feb 26 22:05:31 Merlin: /me Feb 26 22:05:40 LFL girls wear next to nothing in terms of padding: http://www.lfl-pics.com/wp-content/gallery/gallery2/football-lingerie-bowl-08.jpg Feb 26 22:05:48 Yummy Feb 26 22:05:51 and they actually are pretty brutal Feb 26 22:05:56 it's like rollerderby of football Feb 26 22:06:10 and you don't get all those jersey tackles etc Feb 26 22:06:15 you actually have to plow someone Feb 26 22:06:28 hmm. i can thrash anyone at pes Feb 26 22:06:31 How about wardrobe malfunctions? Feb 26 22:06:31 lol Feb 26 22:06:38 * Merlin scoffs at sugardave for telling him what Google has already revealed. Feb 26 22:07:16 * iSmite looks at iSmite and realises she has a doppelganger and spontaneously combusts Feb 26 22:07:26 * Merlin revels in new but meaningless power. Feb 26 22:07:50 * MetaView is glad he installed the ssh server yesterday on its Pre Feb 26 22:08:15 * Merlin hits the Updates app refresh button 1 more time. Feb 26 22:08:19 yeah me too Feb 26 22:08:53 another 2o seconds of life wasted :P Feb 26 22:08:53 * Merlin marvels at iSmite's miraculous recovery from spontaneous combustion. Feb 26 22:09:11 well i was dessicated. then someone poured water on me Feb 26 22:09:25 ugh 'your phone is up to date' IT LIES Feb 26 22:09:47 such obsessed fanboys and girls ;) Feb 26 22:09:51 iSmite: like in that Startrek episode/ Feb 26 22:09:58 i love Star Trek Feb 26 22:09:59 BRUSHIE BRUSHIE BRUSHIE Feb 26 22:10:03 TOS FTW Feb 26 22:10:11 none of that picard shite Feb 26 22:10:25 * iSmite throws a tribble at merlin Feb 26 22:10:26 rwhitby: Still only 33 1.4 accesses to Preware/ Feb 26 22:10:29 ? Feb 26 22:11:01 * Merlin considers actually buying new keyboard to replace 10 year old model on desk. Feb 26 22:11:38 brb Pro evo time gonna go and thrash my 38 yr old housemate as usual Feb 26 22:11:54 4-0 the other day Feb 26 22:11:58 iSmite: Amen. New movie was even better. Feb 26 22:12:04 ewww no it was not Feb 26 22:12:06 it was shit Feb 26 22:12:10 omg u blasphemer Feb 26 22:12:17 bbiab lol Feb 26 22:12:41 infobot: BRUSHIE is BRUSHIE BRUSHIE BRUSHIE http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/brushie.jpg Feb 26 22:12:42 zsoc: okay Feb 26 22:13:18 New star trek was really good to american audiences Feb 26 22:13:21 it was a casting thing Feb 26 22:16:15 iSmite: You just have to embrace that it's an alternate universe then it's all OK. Feb 26 22:16:29 man Feb 26 22:16:36 the other thing thats brutal about tethering Feb 26 22:16:45 is when my mother insists on calling every 5 minutes Feb 26 22:16:50 it kinda busts muh flow up Feb 26 22:17:06 zsoc: What did you just do to infobot? Feb 26 22:19:27 ~BRUSHIE Feb 26 22:19:29 BRUSHIE BRUSHIE BRUSHIE http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/brushie.jpg Feb 26 22:27:37 I just don't understand why sprint would push 1.4 on a friday night Feb 26 22:28:16 they have been pushing updates even on saturdays Feb 26 22:28:17 infobot: Melrin is Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:28:18 okay, Merlin Feb 26 22:28:25 ~Merlin Feb 26 22:28:26 you are, like, a dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx Feb 26 22:28:30 No! Feb 26 22:28:31 buehehe Feb 26 22:28:40 why what makes Fri so special Feb 26 22:28:47 * Merlin stabs infobot in the modem with a lightning bolt. Feb 26 22:29:20 zsoc: You must have powers not given to us mere mortals. Feb 26 22:29:45 ~Melrin Feb 26 22:29:46 Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:29:53 yeah, he can type Feb 26 22:29:55 YES! Feb 26 22:29:58 Merlin: lol Feb 26 22:30:07 MELRIN hahahahaa Feb 26 22:30:15 infobot is SLOOWW for a computer. Feb 26 22:30:18 I liked the dishwasher that thinks its a pbx Feb 26 22:31:03 ~destinal Feb 26 22:31:03 infobot: Merlin is Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:31:05 ...but merlin is already something else... Feb 26 22:31:05 * infobot denies all knowledge of destinal. Feb 26 22:31:27 infobot: no, Merlin is Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:31:29 okay, zsoc Feb 26 22:31:31 Merlin: patches with quilt, ugh Feb 26 22:31:38 infobot, Merlin also mispells things a lot Feb 26 22:31:51 infobot: merlin is also a dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx Feb 26 22:31:53 infobot: destinal is just another dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx. Feb 26 22:31:53 okay, jacques Feb 26 22:31:54 ...but destinal is already something else... Feb 26 22:32:00 ~merlin Feb 26 22:32:01 Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. a dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx Feb 26 22:32:01 ~Merlin Feb 26 22:32:02 * zsoc grins Feb 26 22:32:03 Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. a dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx Feb 26 22:32:19 broken lol Feb 26 22:32:28 infobot: no, Merlin is Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:32:29 he used to say "or" Feb 26 22:32:29 okay, Merlin Feb 26 22:32:37 you don't need Feb 26 22:32:49 in that case Feb 26 22:32:57 ~foo Feb 26 22:32:58 infobot: no, Merlin is just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:32:59 from memory, foo is bar Feb 26 22:33:00 okay, destinal Feb 26 22:33:07 ~Merlin Feb 26 22:33:08 infobot: no, destinal is just another dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx. Feb 26 22:33:09 merlin is, like, just a random WebOS user, but he knows his way around a *nix prompt and manages all his patches with quilt. Feb 26 22:33:10 Merlin: okay Feb 26 22:33:14 ~destinal Feb 26 22:33:16 just another dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx. Feb 26 22:33:26 destinal: You said you liked that one so... Feb 26 22:33:28 Merlin: if you want to say X is, you can just X is Feb 26 22:33:32 ~metaview Feb 26 22:33:32 you don't need Feb 26 22:33:33 you are probably not a bot Feb 26 22:33:54 destinal: Thanks. Feb 26 22:34:23 how to erase the bot? Feb 26 22:34:29 ~infobot: nice bot Feb 26 22:34:31 * infobot lowers bot's priority Feb 26 22:34:32 infobot: no destinal is a helpful dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx. Feb 26 22:34:34 Merlin: okay Feb 26 22:34:48 ~destinal Feb 26 22:34:50 hmm... destinal is a helpful dishwasher that thinks it's a pbx. Feb 26 22:35:06 ~forget destinal Feb 26 22:35:07 destinal: i forgot destinal Feb 26 22:35:24 destinal: forget. Nice. Feb 26 22:35:58 I think the original Merlin referred to a physical appliance. it doesn't work for me. Feb 26 22:35:58 destinal: Are there any truly useful commands? Feb 26 22:36:26 ~metaview Feb 26 22:36:28 [metaview] the Duke Feb 26 22:36:52 destinal: The original Merlin was who knows, it was a semi-common name before the "wizard" made it famous. Feb 26 22:37:10 Ok guys, enough playing with the bot for one day. He's tired. Feb 26 22:37:47 zsoc: OK. Sorry guys, it's all new to me soo... I'll stop. Feb 26 22:38:16 rwhitby: you still here? Has the number 33 changed? Feb 26 22:54:55 hey all Feb 26 22:55:14 I have a question about a patch Feb 26 22:57:25 I have a question about a patch Feb 26 22:57:34 anyone want to help? Feb 26 22:58:59 whats the question Feb 26 23:00:19 arghh Feb 26 23:00:35 I downloaded a patch (specifically the multi scrim patch) and I wanted to change the font color.. Feb 26 23:00:57 (the font color for the messaging app) Feb 26 23:01:32 Whats up guys ...its been a while i seen some people got 1.4 already .....any problems with preware yet? Feb 26 23:02:02 git: I have changed files in my local copy, but when I say git commit, it complains about "no changes added" Feb 26 23:02:02 i tried just opening it in notepad and re-writing the color parts, but that no workie Feb 26 23:03:00 still no good controls for Duke Feb 26 23:04:12 morning Feb 26 23:04:38 1.4 is out? Feb 26 23:05:00 * Mousey checks Feb 26 23:05:01 lol in the middle of no-where yest Feb 26 23:06:17 no 1.4 here yet Feb 26 23:06:49 none here either Feb 26 23:06:58 so any one got any clue what i should do? Feb 26 23:22:01 MetaView: git commit -a Feb 26 23:23:16 36 accesses now Feb 26 23:23:17 jacques: thx, found it Feb 26 23:23:37 it was even written in the error msg :) But I'm blind, it's late Feb 26 23:23:51 rwhitby: I added some controls, if you want to test Feb 26 23:25:04 still need to figure out nice way to use it Feb 26 23:25:10 any idees? Feb 26 23:27:31 JMyaDaGod: some people have reported AUPT 1.4 Preware success Feb 26 23:29:19 how about failures? Feb 26 23:35:25 hmm Feb 26 23:35:30 zsoc, still no 1.4 :P Feb 26 23:35:44 I was just typing don't say it Feb 26 23:35:56 [; Feb 26 23:37:13 when it's evening Feb 26 23:37:24 evening isnt like 4-7pm? Feb 26 23:37:39 8PM PST en0x Feb 26 23:37:58 so evening is like 8pm? Feb 26 23:38:54 this "the part of the day between the afternoon and the night " doesn't explain much Feb 26 23:39:13 It will probably start to roll out at 8pm PST Feb 26 23:39:28 which is like midnight est Feb 26 23:39:40 Yeah. Feb 26 23:39:56 maybe sprint figures only a few geeks will be updating on a friday night, so less system load Feb 26 23:40:08 LITTLE DO THEY KNOW Feb 26 23:40:08 ^_^ Feb 26 23:40:18 MUAHAHAHAHA Feb 26 23:41:09 its friday eveyone is out Feb 26 23:41:11 :) Feb 26 23:41:23 You aren't. Feb 26 23:41:43 because it's only 6:40pm Feb 26 23:42:01 The drinking starts at 6 on a Friday! Feb 26 23:42:27 not on my clock Feb 26 23:42:37 on my clock it starts at 8/9 Feb 26 23:42:43 and lasts till 3am Feb 26 23:42:44 :P Feb 26 23:43:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riyv8MRpC7I something to watch while u r waiting for 1.4 ;) Feb 26 23:44:23 I know better than to click your links. Feb 26 23:45:32 nobody said that u have to click it Feb 26 23:46:37 youtube is blocked from work Feb 26 23:46:42 along with twitter Feb 26 23:46:47 and gaming sites Feb 26 23:46:54 and xcomp's site Feb 26 23:46:55 oooh, i don't! Feb 26 23:46:56 * Mousey clicks Feb 26 23:47:06 it's a flagged content anyway Feb 26 23:47:26 jacques: I know the feeling. I set those blocks :D. Feb 26 23:47:36 Eguy, lol Feb 26 23:47:37 :P Feb 26 23:47:55 Well, I have hardware doing it, but I tell the box what to block. Feb 26 23:49:06 Eguy: why did you block xcomp's site? Feb 26 23:49:15 :-) Feb 26 23:49:42 That I didn't. Feb 26 23:49:43 en0x, that video is wonderful Feb 26 23:50:13 What's with the 800mhz clock patch, wouldn't that melt the Pre? Feb 26 23:50:36 didn't melt mine Feb 26 23:50:37 that's what I thought Feb 26 23:50:48 and battery life would be 45 minutes :-) Feb 26 23:50:57 Eguy, it borked mine, but no melting Feb 26 23:51:17 Eguy, I rephrase, _I_ borked it, actually probably had nothing to do with the patch Feb 26 23:51:44 Glad you rephrased that ;) Feb 26 23:52:35 I might have to take a look. Feb 26 23:52:53 heh Feb 26 23:53:00 800 runs fine on mine as well Feb 26 23:53:14 now, tethering with the phone on the touchstone Feb 26 23:53:20 that, has brought my phone up to 42C Feb 26 23:53:49 FuMan: how do you get the temp? Feb 26 23:53:56 was looking for that the other day Feb 26 23:54:01 same battery monitor Feb 26 23:54:26 Where is the patch testing feed? Feb 26 23:54:28 its in the menu, detailed battery status Feb 26 23:54:37 Eguy: there is none Feb 26 23:54:40 FuMan: which menu? Feb 26 23:54:49 Where is the 800mhz patch then? Feb 26 23:54:51 must be under /sys somewhere then Feb 26 23:55:02 Is it in the git repo? Feb 26 23:55:03 Its the main menu of BatteryMonitor Feb 26 23:55:05 Eguy: PreCentral thread, closed alpha testing group. Feb 26 23:55:11 Eguy, closed alpha testing Feb 26 23:55:14 Ah, no wonder Feb 26 23:55:25 shouldnt be long though Feb 26 23:55:28 it's a source level kernel patch - you have to replace the whole kernel binary and modules Feb 26 23:55:41 it appears to be going fairly well for all involved Feb 26 23:55:44 I stopped checking precentral in November I think Feb 26 23:55:45 once 1.4 is out of the way, we'll work out how to package it in Preware Feb 26 23:56:47 but the US$64,000 question is Feb 26 23:56:47 rwhitby, you had mentioned a "big release" a few days back, i think in channel Feb 26 23:56:52 will patches survive the upgrade? ^_^ Feb 26 23:56:56 big, as in filesize i believe Feb 26 23:57:00 that was coming soon Feb 26 23:57:03 That wasnt scumm was it? Feb 26 23:57:20 FuMan: what big release? Feb 26 23:57:32 * Mousey notes the jedi mind trick hand wave Feb 26 23:57:32 oh, that's fish fillets Feb 26 23:57:35 im trying to remember where you were talking about it Feb 26 23:57:44 Mousey: How did you arrive at $64,000? Feb 26 23:57:45 100MB package Feb 26 23:57:49 jah, that one Feb 26 23:57:51 fish fillets won't start for me Feb 26 23:58:01 patches should survive the upgrade just fine Feb 26 23:58:01 Eguy: same way everybody else does, colloquialism Feb 26 23:58:14 unless palm changes source code drastically. Feb 26 23:58:21 hey dBsooner Feb 26 23:58:29 what the l Feb 26 23:58:35 hey rwhitby.. I've been here .. just not really "here" Feb 26 23:58:35 IT IS I Feb 26 23:58:37 SIR l Feb 26 23:58:45 been busy with the personal stuff, ya know. Feb 26 23:58:58 dBsooner, on 1.4 day? forbid. Feb 26 23:59:06 hell, maybe on 1.4 day Feb 26 23:59:22 FuMan: I am unemployed. i am busy everyday. Feb 26 23:59:32 fair enough Feb 26 23:59:37 and rwhitby, did i miss a joke? Feb 26 23:59:47 i see no fish fillets, nor would i have an idea what it would be or where O_o Feb 26 23:59:57 its gone midnight in uk..so much for all pre users getting it same day Feb 27 00:00:04 FuMan: it's game in the testing feed Feb 27 00:00:05 Does anyone here know about Ogg Vorbis testing? Feb 27 00:00:07 FuMan: Check MacDonalds Feb 27 00:00:20 aaaah Feb 27 00:00:28 McDonald's* Feb 27 00:00:31 forgot i lost the testing feeds in my last doctor Feb 27 00:00:38 * FuMan heads off to enable them Feb 27 00:01:05 doctor doesn't touch feeds Feb 27 00:01:13 doctor and full erase does Feb 27 00:01:32 full/partial erase yeah Feb 27 00:01:41 apetickler, what about it? Feb 27 00:01:46 jah, i went big style, did em both to clean it all up a bit Feb 27 00:01:58 not a bad idea, only way to get to true stock Feb 27 00:02:19 I'd really like to sign up. Almost all of my music is Ogg and I'm sick of having to figure out how to transcode it for every signle application. Feb 27 00:02:25 well only way if using 1.3.5 or later doctor Feb 27 00:02:41 If I go to 1.4 when it comes out, do I still have to remove all my patches, or can I leave them installed? I thought I read somewhere it is safe to leave them installed now. Feb 27 00:03:02 No need to remove Feb 27 00:03:02 apetickler, well, it works. the big issue right now is there's no vorbis comment support. So (and especially with a big library) it's kind of silly to try to sort your music with no tags Feb 27 00:03:42 Hmm. I guess that's kinda lame, but it would still theoretically work with Ampache, right? Feb 27 00:04:05 apetickler, what does ampache do? you mean to stream from your computer? yes Feb 27 00:04:45 In any case, I'm definitely interested in testing. Do you know how the process is going? Feb 27 00:05:39 apetickler, it just needs to be packaged, i'm just hesitant to release it with no tagging support. Feb 27 00:05:53 apetickler, do you have ssh access and some linux knowledge? Feb 27 00:06:11 Yes, I have SSH access and *some* Linux knowledge. Feb 27 00:07:38 Are you Prenosicator from the PreCentral forums? Feb 27 00:07:52 apetickler, whats it worth to you? :p Feb 27 00:08:18 Just curious. Obviously, I came here because I saw the post about testing new codecs. Feb 27 00:17:39 I don't wanna test new codecs unless you got xVid working well enough so I don't have to convert all my TV episodes. Feb 27 00:18:08 BoomerET, xvid is pretty much a mess. Feb 27 00:18:44 I tried one on my touch, it was horrible. Feb 27 00:21:26 looks like iomega is going to miss their "early february" ship date on the slug2 Feb 27 00:21:43 zsoc, did you ever find a decent source file to do your testing with? Feb 27 00:22:02 FuMan, yes Feb 27 00:24:05 and it led to no miracle cure? Feb 27 00:26:03 FuMan, it lead to me realizing the way webos' resource handler works is garbage Feb 27 00:32:11 did terminus ever get updated? Feb 27 00:32:18 FuMan, you're not a dancer are you? Feb 27 00:32:33 ... Feb 27 00:32:54 FuMan, I'll take that as a no Feb 27 00:32:56 no, why? Feb 27 00:33:02 FuMan, terminus' developer is MIA Feb 27 00:33:08 PuffTheMagic, oh, actually, there he is Feb 27 00:33:17 isnt he the freetether guy too? Feb 27 00:33:45 FuMan, there's only like 5 actual webos developers ;) Feb 27 00:33:59 :P Feb 27 00:34:08 f Feb 27 00:34:20 gotta lunarestart before terminal, pizeace tether. Feb 27 00:34:21 FuMan, he's also the guy who did the wirc service, and a large portion of ipkgservice Feb 27 00:34:26 zsoc: and none of them are at palm Feb 27 00:34:37 Eguy, nice one Feb 27 00:34:38 ba da ching. Feb 27 00:34:50 * Eguy bows Feb 27 00:36:04 * mdklein_ checks the time, looks like beer o'clock Feb 27 00:37:19 bourbon o' clock here Feb 27 00:37:25 different timezones i guess Feb 27 00:38:51 por um work o'clock time here. Feb 27 00:39:32 I was very close to opening up a bourbon county stout, but went with the seeyoulator dopplebock instead... come to think of it, I'm not sure I have any bourbon on hand... just beer aged in bourbon casks heh Feb 27 00:42:28 I had a scotch ale at Great Basin Brewery (Sparks, NV) that was out of this world. Feb 27 00:43:06 yeah, my whiskey selection is limited to some rye whiskey (templeton, it's very very very good), jameson, and a 15 glenfiddich Feb 27 00:43:40 #booze-internals Feb 27 00:44:07 I really like boulevards bourbon barrel quad... I have a friend delivering me a rye on rye tomorrow, I'm excited... bah, it's not like we have a new OS release to talk about right now :-p Feb 27 00:44:30 We don't, It is coming out 2/29/2010 ;) Feb 27 00:44:53 mdklein, i have the wooden box the 30yr fiddich comes in on my mantle. it was the best thing i've ever had in my mouth Feb 27 00:45:11 That's what she said Feb 27 00:45:14 someone in Alabama just got it Feb 27 00:45:26 On which carrier? Feb 27 00:45:31 someone in Alabama claims to have just got it ;-) Feb 27 00:45:35 :P Feb 27 00:45:40 I wonder if it's en0x :p Feb 27 00:45:49 33% of Alabama is morbidly obese Feb 27 00:45:57 it's alabama, you sure they know the difference between 1.3 and 1.4? Feb 27 00:46:03 * mdklein_ hides Feb 27 00:46:05 99% is uneducated Feb 27 00:46:08 Oops Feb 27 00:46:14 wow Feb 27 00:46:20 manually typing out the line for the testing feed Feb 27 00:46:23 is going to be full of fail Feb 27 00:46:41 i wonder if i can get copy and paste to work with me on this one.. Feb 27 00:46:59 FuMan, ... just cp the regular feed, add "testing/".. Feb 27 00:47:18 Remember meta-tap! Feb 27 00:47:44 hah, ill text myself the commands a text at a time Feb 27 00:47:55 the sms copy paste doesnt append a time stamp or anything right? Feb 27 00:47:55 still no 1.4? Feb 27 00:48:31 cryptk, unless you're in vietnam or alabama Feb 27 00:48:31 FuMan, what are you trying to do? you can't paste into the term app anyway Feb 27 00:48:40 dammit Feb 27 00:48:41 backfire. Feb 27 00:48:54 FuMan, lern2vim Feb 27 00:49:09 Sweeeeet home alabama! Feb 27 00:54:07 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/26/video-head-tracking.html <--- this is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen, and definitely one of the coolest video game technologies Feb 27 00:55:25 ~testing-feed Feb 27 00:55:27 well, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 27 00:56:01 zsoc: you need to do more than just add testing/ or else you'll get conflicting feed id's Feb 27 00:56:01 zsoc: I'll be getting Natal when it comes out Feb 27 00:56:37 Eguy, I truly hope natal can apply real time head tracking in a similar way.... I mean, it's 3d with no glasses and no special display, it's genius Feb 27 00:56:55 rwhitby, oh, maybe i was oversimplifying it :p Feb 27 00:56:59 Apparently there is only 1/10th of a second delay Feb 27 00:57:13 Eguy, when it's in my livingroom i'll believe it :D Feb 27 00:57:14 It is an amazing product Feb 27 00:57:28 I hope it is reasonable Feb 27 00:57:34 $ wise Feb 27 00:58:37 does kayahr ever log in here? Feb 27 00:58:46 FuMan: you don't need to paste in terminal Feb 27 00:59:00 synackfin: nope, he doesn't do sync comms, just email Feb 27 00:59:08 FuMan: just grab the contents of the clipboard Feb 27 00:59:32 /tmp/webkit-clipboard Feb 27 00:59:53 destinal, how did i not know this? Feb 27 01:00:12 zsoc: yeah, like, get with it Feb 27 01:00:14 :P Feb 27 01:02:02 Eguy, im fully prepared for natal to be horrid Feb 27 01:02:22 That is the Sony dildo you speak of FuMan. Feb 27 01:02:28 heh Feb 27 01:02:32 sony has a pretty good point Feb 27 01:02:42 unless the natal can track my finger movement, when im firing my gun Feb 27 01:02:51 there are just some things you need manual input for O_o Feb 27 01:02:59 FuMan: just cat /tmp/webkit-clipboard and if you like the command and want to run it, just sh /tmp/webkit-clipboard :) Feb 27 01:03:07 although, the Arc, or whatever they are calling it looks incredibly dumb Feb 27 01:03:08 Good point =/= good product Feb 27 01:03:35 FuMan: or source /tmp/webkit-clipboard (maybe better) Feb 27 01:03:36 destinal, copy, cat, sh command, rinse, repeat? Feb 27 01:03:52 3 2 1 no regets. Feb 27 01:04:34 Does anyone know how to send a "right-click" mouse event from Pre to ScummVM? (it's not mentioned on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:ScummVM) Feb 27 01:05:21 hmm.. i just lost the ability to connect to palm's update server... Feb 27 01:05:46 That means you got the update zsoc. Feb 27 01:05:53 it's behaving strangely Feb 27 01:06:10 first it told me no updates, then app update, but there was an app update both times Feb 27 01:06:40 I have app update in mine Feb 27 01:06:54 all of a sudden im getting unable to connect. try again later Feb 27 01:07:12 theres no way that many more people are hammering the site in these past 10 minutes as they were from 20 min -> 10 min ago Feb 27 01:07:25 by the site i mean server Feb 27 01:07:27 I had unable to connect a while back, I had to call the dr to fix that. Feb 27 01:08:03 i just got another applications updates are now available bug thing again Feb 27 01:08:08 haha fun times Feb 27 01:08:42 Precentral is getting hammered also Feb 27 01:09:40 http://i.imgur.com/SsrZa.jpg HOW DID I GET HERE Feb 27 01:10:03 Problem? Feb 27 01:11:00 i see nothing wrong with that picture Feb 27 01:11:18 are u talkinga bout the lady in blue? she doesnt seem to fit in i guess Feb 27 01:11:30 Seriously? Feb 27 01:11:33 or perhaps one of the girls in red should be wearing white to represent all the colors Feb 27 01:11:40 red white & blue Feb 27 01:11:45 You don't see the CAT in the picture? Feb 27 01:11:49 what cat? Feb 27 01:11:56 isnt that part of the sport Feb 27 01:12:00 cat curling Feb 27 01:12:11 =P Feb 27 01:13:06 haha always nice to see girls sweeping =P just kidding Feb 27 01:13:11 lol Feb 27 01:13:40 my wife is in the kitchen right now Feb 27 01:13:54 Sweeping? Feb 27 01:14:07 cooking Feb 27 01:14:09 clearly Feb 27 01:14:18 You never know. Feb 27 01:14:22 preparing a sandwich, yes Feb 27 01:14:27 haha Feb 27 01:14:28 http://i.imgur.com/MU3aN.jpg <-- he knows how you got there Feb 27 01:14:30 What kind? Feb 27 01:14:36 well AnOutsider theres always dishes too =) Feb 27 01:14:39 capris Feb 27 01:14:43 zsoc: Get off reddit. Feb 27 01:14:48 Eguy, i can't :( Feb 27 01:14:59 haha I love that pic Feb 27 01:15:02 go to fffffffuuuuuuu~ instead Feb 27 01:15:24 hrmm im rooting for him on his birthday Feb 27 01:15:28 Everyone was prepared to declare a state of emergency... *stares out window*... nope, no snow Feb 27 01:15:42 AnOutsider where u from Feb 27 01:15:45 i got a megaton of snow Feb 27 01:15:47 70 here today Feb 27 01:15:48 and my back aches for it Feb 27 01:16:00 haha Pennsylvania Feb 27 01:16:11 u guys need to learn to drive Feb 27 01:16:11 =) Feb 27 01:16:48 zsoc: You should make a rage comic about 1.4 Feb 27 01:16:49 the last time NY was suppsoed to get covered, they got nothing, and we got this http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs232.snc3/21968_332387505637_502155637_5291069_4681263_n.jpg Feb 27 01:16:52 learn to drive? Feb 27 01:17:12 I think I got driving down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDLUhdp5lfc ;) Feb 27 01:17:26 Eguy, or i'll wait till it comes out and drop an F'yeh comic Feb 27 01:17:27 * Smubeht is from New Jersey. we hate penn drivers while u guys hate us =). Feb 27 01:17:39 I'm originally from NYC Feb 27 01:17:50 NY, NJ and PA drivers are horrible in their own ways Feb 27 01:17:56 I hate the F yea comics Feb 27 01:17:57 ok i love ur car Feb 27 01:18:04 so u just got +10000 in my book Feb 27 01:18:04 Quattro! Feb 27 01:18:09 PA is mostly old, slow and amish.. NJ is just a bunch of dumbasses, NY is jsut inconsiderate and angry Feb 27 01:18:22 hey h ey Feb 27 01:18:28 that just went from +10000 to +9999 Feb 27 01:18:47 *Smelly tan dumbasses AnOutsider Feb 27 01:19:16 jersey shore is not a representation of NJ its a representation of like staten island + long island Feb 27 01:19:37 You guys are screwed for life. Feb 27 01:19:51 NJ now = Jersey Shore Feb 27 01:19:54 * Smubeht is not an italian guido. so i think im good Feb 27 01:20:48 but i wetn to school in the city where there was a TON of those guys Feb 27 01:20:56 they give italians a bad name for real Feb 27 01:21:03 and they are all the same Feb 27 01:21:09 brb Feb 27 01:21:18 i want civ 5 Feb 27 01:22:19 i should take a picture of the snow outside my place. its pretty crazy. Feb 27 01:22:43 the snow this time aorudn took down trees on the main street im off. Feb 27 01:22:48 big trees Feb 27 01:26:02 haha I caught the tail end of the jersey shore craze Feb 27 01:26:15 sadly, when I lived in NJ (central NJ near princeton) I knew a lot of people like that Feb 27 01:26:29 im northern jersey Feb 27 01:26:32 near paramus Feb 27 01:26:34 spikey hair, spray tans, constant lip puckering.. lots of barf-worthy actions Feb 27 01:27:05 bergen county crowd tends to not be like that Feb 27 01:27:17 salam Feb 27 01:27:52 lets see the snow pics Feb 27 01:28:11 haha so what do u do AnOutsider got a nice house an r8 =) pretty nice haha Feb 27 01:28:29 thankfully no more snow pics from me Feb 27 01:28:38 tho it was my first time using a snowblower and those thigns effin rock Feb 27 01:28:49 heh Feb 27 01:28:57 ours broke down so we had to shovel by hand Feb 27 01:29:08 broke on the last snow storm like 2 weeks ago Feb 27 01:29:14 ooouch man Feb 27 01:29:22 once u go blower, u cant go back Feb 27 01:29:27 anyone has 1.4 yet? got a question. Feb 27 01:30:00 having package manager service error anyone know how to fix that issue Feb 27 01:30:23 maybe i should go take some pics of my outside Feb 27 01:30:58 do, I want to wallow in your misery :) Feb 27 01:31:58 haha else ill just continue sitting here studying while waiting for the update Feb 27 01:32:37 and then when video recording hits ill make a video of the snow Feb 27 01:33:33 * zsoc got 21 inches... Feb 27 01:34:27 that's what SHE said! Feb 27 01:34:29 oh wait... Feb 27 01:34:48 err Feb 27 01:34:50 id hope not Feb 27 01:35:02 unless its her waist or something Feb 27 01:35:14 that would be frighteningly skinny Feb 27 01:35:17 yea it would Feb 27 01:35:22 maybe IQ? Feb 27 01:35:39 wait inches makes no sense Feb 27 01:35:44 can we make it so infobot replies with that whenever you ask it what zsoc has Feb 27 01:35:47 alright clearly thats my iq Feb 27 01:36:11 haha Feb 27 01:36:18 or would that be considered in poor taste. Feb 27 01:36:25 windzilla, can we? yes. will we? no. Feb 27 01:36:36 Smubeht, http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02/ditavonteeseREX_450x623.jpg <-- there is a 21 inch waist Feb 27 01:36:36 well thats a shame =) Feb 27 01:36:45 * AnOutsider is waiting for oil to drop PS3 Friends Feb 27 01:37:00 dita von teese Feb 27 01:39:35 guiness record is 9 inches, at least when I was 11 yo Feb 27 01:39:59 9 inch waist? Feb 27 01:40:16 thats nuts Feb 27 01:41:31 btw, today I ran emergency verification tool, and I had a patch, jasons auto ip forward, left. it hasent been recognized by preware or QI for weeks. two versions installed too. Feb 27 01:42:26 what is the verify tool looking at that everything else ignores? Feb 27 01:44:33 * oil feels AnOutsider is going to be waiting forever Feb 27 01:45:27 ;) Feb 27 01:45:48 I was actually going to do it to save u the hassle oil, but I don't feel liek writing a scraper for a console I don't even use Feb 27 01:45:56 Why don't you put your app in the catalog? Feb 27 01:46:12 which is why im not making one, i dont have a ps3, and don't care about it Feb 27 01:46:37 are there any usable apis from sony for something like this even? Feb 27 01:46:46 nope Feb 27 01:46:52 you'd ahve to scrape the info from the UK site Feb 27 01:47:19 so why do u want to have an app made for ps3 friends if u dont use it? Feb 27 01:47:28 he wants to be a jerk Feb 27 01:48:05 and its not in the catalog, because its not financially worth it Feb 27 01:48:39 even owning a ps3 i doubt its something id really use. Feb 27 01:49:13 not financially worth it? just throw some ads in that biyatch and call it a day Feb 27 01:49:13 however what would be cool is if u can turn it into a ps3 remote Feb 27 01:49:21 I just hate ahving to go find it in preware again after a doctor Feb 27 01:50:00 you hate using one of my apps to find another one? Feb 27 01:50:01 lol Feb 27 01:50:31 after u doctor apps from the catalog automatically reinstall Feb 27 01:50:47 the ones from preware, you have to go back in, wait for it to load, find each app, install etc Feb 27 01:50:50 and ads suck Feb 27 01:51:22 * AnOutsider thinks ads are more lucrative than up front payments. Sit back and let them earn. As long as they aren't obnoxious Feb 27 01:51:36 I love the You need God ones Feb 27 01:51:53 well, I guess at 99 cents a pop I would've made more at this point, but less people would likely have d/l anyways Feb 27 01:52:21 can't sell it Feb 27 01:53:28 microsoft would crack down if i did Feb 27 01:53:46 they've already done it to numerous iphone apps Feb 27 01:53:47 true true Feb 27 01:58:38 11:59PM 1.4? likely Feb 27 01:58:56 11:59:59. Definitely. Feb 27 01:59:07 s/./?/ Feb 27 01:59:07 Eguy meant: 11:59:59? Definitely. Feb 27 01:59:31 interesting it replaced only the first period and not the last Feb 27 01:59:38 i was expecting 11:59:59? Definitely? Feb 27 01:59:59 Infobot is smarter than that. Feb 27 02:00:26 AnOutsider, /g Feb 27 02:00:45 AnOutsider: regex by default replaces only the first instance found Feb 27 02:00:49 AnOutsider, I like my mother and my dog Feb 27 02:00:56 s/my/your/g Feb 27 02:00:56 zsoc meant: AnOutsider, I like your mother and your dog Feb 27 02:01:04 lol Feb 27 02:01:11 yep /g makes it match all occurrences Feb 27 02:01:16 That must be a hell of a night zsoc. Feb 27 02:01:18 and great example zsoc Feb 27 02:01:39 You might even call it "global". Feb 27 02:02:27 haha no wonder my dog was less... frisky... than usual Feb 27 02:02:56 Oh god, please, no more. Feb 27 02:07:39 hmm Feb 27 02:08:59 * AnOutsider willw ait until caprica is over before giving up on 1.4 tonight Feb 27 02:09:36 You got an hour until the time block starts Feb 27 02:09:39 it's good being on the West Coast :) Feb 27 02:09:49 44 accesses only so far Feb 27 02:10:08 :-\ Feb 27 02:10:39 haha this is like ONE time it pays to be on the west coast Feb 27 02:10:48 well that, and being able to see woot.com refresh at 10PM Feb 27 02:10:58 lol Feb 27 02:11:03 You forgot weather Feb 27 02:11:06 For me at least Feb 27 02:12:29 sup. anyone want the spc/msl location on the pixi running 1.3.5.1? Feb 27 02:12:42 haah the oen time I visited LA it was gloomy the whole time Feb 27 02:12:43 I hope that update comes today before more of this gets created http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232710-bounce.html Feb 27 02:12:58 Preware 0.9.28 - u guys are allergic to 1.0 :) Feb 27 02:13:02 AnOutsider: It depends, sometimes it is like today Feb 27 02:13:12 But at least it was 70 ;) Feb 27 02:13:39 *sigh* Feb 27 02:13:56 and if palm put it out early before it was ready, we'd have another bouncing thread Feb 27 02:14:00 Victory! Feb 27 02:14:09 genius with 1 post. This is why I hate forums. Any idiot can open their mouths Feb 27 02:14:29 IRC is different? Feb 27 02:15:05 IRC is where eguy opens his mouth Feb 27 02:15:12 heh Feb 27 02:15:17 ~lart oil Feb 27 02:15:17 * infobot moos at oil Feb 27 02:15:29 ~larp oil Feb 27 02:15:36 She's interested Feb 27 02:15:37 aww, infobot isn't into larping Feb 27 02:16:30 and, we have very specific feature plans for 1.0 Feb 27 02:16:44 unfortunately, we skipped early version numbers Feb 27 02:17:08 and there is a lack of the required features getting implemented Feb 27 02:17:10 I figure that, it just seems we jumped versions pretty fast, then kind of hit a ceiling where the sub sub versions kept getting larger to compensate Feb 27 02:17:11 due to bugs Feb 27 02:17:15 1.0 will come after 0.9.28.5, 0.9.29, and 0.9.99.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Feb 27 02:17:35 there's a roadmap on the wiki ya Feb 27 02:17:55 idk Feb 27 02:18:13 I thought there was, but I guess not Feb 27 02:19:15 basically feed adding and deleting Feb 27 02:19:18 Poor P|C mods, overworked Feb 27 02:20:26 and cookie/db deletion when an app is removed through preware Feb 27 02:20:33 hehe Feb 27 02:20:35 how about this Feb 27 02:20:43 Now, when I hit the update app Feb 27 02:20:53 i get an update for Powernap Feb 27 02:21:14 cookie deletion would be nice Feb 27 02:21:18 says, this app cant be installed on your current system version, please update through the update blah blah Feb 27 02:25:23 who's the dev of the virtual keyboard? Feb 27 02:25:38 egaudet Feb 27 02:25:45 oil Feb 27 02:25:49 :) Feb 27 02:25:58 haa Feb 27 02:25:59 oh now I see the question Feb 27 02:26:00 not to get your attention, to say you're the dev Feb 27 02:26:03 lol Feb 27 02:26:08 egaudet: would you be interested in working with me on my open source chat app? Feb 27 02:26:21 to add a virtual keyboard to it Feb 27 02:26:21 lol Feb 27 02:26:42 virtual keyboard is being re-written entirely in flash for 1.4 right? Feb 27 02:26:44 :P Feb 27 02:26:56 guitar hero 5 ? Feb 27 02:27:01 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2255074#post2255074 Feb 27 02:27:19 I started to make the vkb in an app, and plan to rework it so it's easier to use and include in apps. Feb 27 02:27:34 ugh I'd hate to think what the VKB would be like in flash Feb 27 02:27:37 but yeah we can probably get it working nicely for your app, just a custom widget Feb 27 02:28:19 awesome, I'll get in touch when I'm ready to add it in Feb 27 02:28:31 Kyusaku: Click to activate --> 99% CPU usage :P Feb 27 02:29:04 Thanks, that would make this app 5x better Feb 27 02:32:17 then for wirc xD Feb 27 02:32:40 wait, wirc doesn't even rotate, lol Feb 27 02:33:02 Get to work oil Feb 27 02:33:09 i cant Feb 27 02:33:20 i need a emu binary of the recent service build Feb 27 02:35:09 and that means getting egaudet or PuffTheMagic to upload one :) Feb 27 02:35:35 I need to get the x86 widk working Feb 27 02:35:42 then we can autobuild for the emulator Feb 27 02:35:54 is wirc even setup for that? Feb 27 02:36:08 probably not, but it could be Feb 27 02:36:30 if it was, you'd be able to build it now and not have to depend on a single point of failure ... Feb 27 02:36:40 it snot single point Feb 27 02:36:46 there is two of them xD Feb 27 02:36:50 lol Feb 27 02:36:53 :- Feb 27 02:36:56 ) Feb 27 02:37:57 anything that can't be built automatically from public resources always causes problems :-) Feb 27 02:38:30 yeah. some ppl learn that much faster than others Feb 27 02:39:40 I'm tired of waiting for sprint to push 1.4 Feb 27 02:40:13 jacques: me too so learning japanese in the meantime =) Feb 27 02:40:13 tho maybe they are waiting for rwhitby to finish his lunch Feb 27 02:40:29 lol Feb 27 02:40:37 rwhitby has the big update lever Feb 27 02:40:48 When he pulls it, they push the update Feb 27 02:41:21 jhojho, æ‚Șă„æ€è€ƒ Feb 27 02:41:23 ^_^ Feb 27 02:41:48 Arigato Feb 27 02:41:57 s/to/tou/ Feb 27 02:42:11 s/zsoc/douche/ Feb 27 02:42:17 :P Feb 27 02:42:29 at times like these I wish I had a TV Feb 27 02:42:33 and a couch Feb 27 02:42:40 Are you from America? Feb 27 02:42:41 jacques, olympics are mildly amusing Feb 27 02:43:00 yeah I would be watching the olumpics Feb 27 02:43:16 maybe live on nbc website in silverlight? Feb 27 02:43:21 I thought every american had a tv Feb 27 02:43:49 You can stream the Canadian Hockey match Feb 27 02:44:23 US vs Canada will be good Feb 27 02:44:30 yep Feb 27 02:44:37 I hope we kick their ass Feb 27 02:44:44 I want to see tears in the street Feb 27 02:44:54 Eguy: yeah, I hope you kick US ass too ;-) Feb 27 02:44:57 ăȘぜ Feb 27 02:45:19 rwhitby: Where's your national pride? Oh... Feb 27 02:45:55 Eguy: we're all one under her majesty the queen ;-) Feb 27 02:46:10 :-| Feb 27 02:46:30 All one medal? Feb 27 02:46:46 jacques: so we should be able to set up a scratchbox for i686, right? Feb 27 02:47:32 rwhitby: I think so Feb 27 02:47:43 personally I'm interested in powerpc Feb 27 02:47:58 we really need to work out the best way to marry built.git and cross-compile.git Feb 27 02:48:22 "Both x86 and amd64 architectures are supported." Feb 27 02:48:33 oil I don't think you -want- the latest service Feb 27 02:48:41 jhojho, ç—…ăżă€ăă«ăȘる :) Feb 27 02:48:50 i've already got it on my pre Feb 27 02:48:52 the top of the git tree has that battery killing lag meter stuff Feb 27 02:49:03 its what the mojo code is written for Feb 27 02:49:10 it doesn't work with an earlier version of the service Feb 27 02:49:29 the one subscription to many that puff implemented Feb 27 02:49:40 and, the lag meter should be toned down Feb 27 02:49:43 I'll have a look after I eat Feb 27 02:49:47 but that doesn't mean i can't work on it in the emulator Feb 27 02:49:51 oil: if you're looking for something to do, packages.js needs an error alert dialog for info loading :-) Feb 27 02:49:51 no battery to kill there :) Feb 27 02:49:53 or you can just branch wirc at the point of the released service Feb 27 02:49:57 lol Feb 27 02:50:08 info loading from unknown packages? Feb 27 02:50:31 egaudet, apparently the many subscriptions is more better Feb 27 02:50:44 so said puff Feb 27 02:50:51 and he is never wrong Feb 27 02:50:59 xD Feb 27 02:51:03 xD Feb 27 02:51:08 lol Feb 27 02:51:28 however, i havent used it much due to the version on my pre turning it into a hand warmer Feb 27 02:51:44 not that i would remember how it ran before Feb 27 02:52:04 zsoc, i'm just getting started. better stop since this is not webos-jp =) Feb 27 02:52:10 then ofcourse the problem remains Feb 27 02:52:15 if we want to keep going app+service Feb 27 02:52:24 or wait till we can go app+plugin with the pdk Feb 27 02:52:40 jhojho, it's release night, we get some time off from being strict rule-pushers ;) Feb 27 02:52:47 Pre needs Japanese input Feb 27 02:53:51 zsoc: true. rosetta stone is a little unforgiving on the pronunciation . so a little frustrating. Feb 27 02:54:08 and i'm cod enough to want to repeat it. =) Feb 27 02:54:31 jhojho, do it, it's good for you :) Feb 27 02:55:20 Japanese input is the only thing I miss from WinMo on my Treo Feb 27 02:55:31 heh, i've been eating sushi since I was a kid so I know all the food but everything else is meh Feb 27 02:56:32 kyusaku: but on the plus side, the pre does render japanese Feb 27 02:56:40 Mmm sushi Feb 27 02:57:01 jhojho my WinMo treo rendered it just fine Feb 27 02:57:43 after the appropriate patching of course, but that was required for the input **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 27 02:59:56 2010