**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 28 02:59:57 2010 Feb 28 03:09:26 I ssh'd into my Pre after the 1.4 update and was poking around a bit. I found that /opt/bin/coretutils-su (from the optware feed) does /not/ require a password when invoked by a nonpriv user. Is this expected behaviour !? Feb 28 03:12:52 hello? Feb 28 03:13:26 seems dead in here... Feb 28 03:14:36 hi. Feb 28 03:14:38 does anyone know about preware? Feb 28 03:15:27 what about it Feb 28 03:15:55 DO NOT REMOVE BATTERY Feb 28 03:16:02 my phone slows down to the point where it is unresponsive.... Feb 28 03:16:26 when i try to open preware Feb 28 03:16:32 swatter: the optware stuff is slightly depreciated. Feb 28 03:16:37 preware is massively overloaded. Feb 28 03:16:47 Palm dropped 1.4 before we replaced the server. Feb 28 03:16:55 it should be alright now Feb 28 03:17:14 i load it up within a minute (no palm app catalog feeds or themes at the moment) Feb 28 03:17:24 no for some reason it makes my phone stop working Feb 28 03:17:32 completely Feb 28 03:17:37 u could try rebooting Feb 28 03:17:41 if that doesnt work Feb 28 03:17:49 u could uninstall preware and pacakgemanager service Feb 28 03:17:57 and then reinstall them with wosqi Feb 28 03:18:11 yea however i have a theme and patches installed Feb 28 03:18:30 disabling the feeds Feb 28 03:18:34 will speed up preware loading Feb 28 03:18:38 remove themes before updating Feb 28 03:18:47 without taking off your theme or patches or anything Feb 28 03:18:56 it just wont show up in preware Feb 28 03:19:26 I don't think removing Preware will lose patch install info Feb 28 03:19:35 i did notice that if you restart java with 1.4, the phone isn't nearly as happy as it used to be .. Feb 28 03:19:54 it wont allow me to access anything... the download screen appears then the circle stops spinning and then my phone becomes unresponsive Feb 28 03:20:57 did you update preware before installing 1.4 Feb 28 03:20:59 ? Feb 28 03:21:48 there was no update Feb 28 03:22:03 i did all the updating that i needed to before 1.4 Feb 28 03:24:34 hello? Feb 28 03:27:16 tapoutbeast: I had to reinstall preware Feb 28 03:27:24 it seemed preware was up to date Feb 28 03:27:28 but the underlying service was not Feb 28 03:27:35 I was on .38, it had .39 Feb 28 03:27:48 but did it slow your phone down? Feb 28 03:27:52 oh yes Feb 28 03:28:01 opened it, and withing about a minute or two I got the too many cards open Feb 28 03:28:13 and it locked up where I couldn't even orange+sym+r for reboot Feb 28 03:28:14 so how did you resolve that? Feb 28 03:28:15 or hold power Feb 28 03:28:20 I reinstalled preware Feb 28 03:28:40 I did it through bootstrap on the linux side tho Feb 28 03:28:48 though the preware installer should work too Feb 28 03:40:12 is anyone going to update get.preware.org with newer versions anytime soon? :D Feb 28 03:44:30 egaudet, ping Feb 28 03:56:36 awwww. I was hopin' this place was hoppin'... Feb 28 03:57:42 we're all still playing with our phones Feb 28 03:57:56 Makes sense. Feb 28 03:58:12 Anyone workin' on a patch to up the playback volume of taken videos? Feb 28 03:59:03 What are the chances of preware ever making to the app catalog? Feb 28 03:59:04 quiet in here cause some of us are trying to fix things since developers have to be super humans Feb 28 04:00:25 wow... man 1.4 is faster. Feb 28 04:00:30 I'm very very happy and impressed Feb 28 04:00:32 yeah, 1.4 is snappy Feb 28 04:00:45 I noticed that right away Feb 28 04:01:41 I may have to cancel my precentral poll ;) Feb 28 04:02:34 rwhitby: ping Feb 28 04:03:41 dBsooner Feb 28 04:03:48 samkim: i replied Feb 28 04:04:05 it installs fine for me Feb 28 04:04:46 hmm, I get an install fail... the filename is cut off in the error message Feb 28 04:04:49 dBsooner: any news on some of the "hide app" patches? Feb 28 04:05:10 shrug Feb 28 04:05:12 they dont' hide? Feb 28 04:05:21 they didn't auto update to 1.4 Feb 28 04:05:25 showing as placeholders Feb 28 04:05:30 odd Feb 28 04:05:34 (at least that piece of AUPT works) Feb 28 04:06:17 someone needs to port those Feb 28 04:06:18 ;) Feb 28 04:08:11 they're still there under unavailable... but they don't work Feb 28 04:08:21 yeah, I know Feb 28 04:08:23 they are placeholders Feb 28 04:08:26 needs to poarted Feb 28 04:08:27 :) Feb 28 04:08:38 I didn't know what that category was Feb 28 04:08:42 jettero: that's because AUPT tried to apply them in testing and found they failed :) Feb 28 04:11:00 dBsooner: you check out 'call durations in call log'? seems to bork for everyone I know Feb 28 04:11:15 did that not get removed? Feb 28 04:11:16 dBsooner: what is the process for 'dummying out' a patch? Feb 28 04:11:22 dBsooner: nope Feb 28 04:11:24 egaudet!!! Feb 28 04:11:29 You promised me that would get deleted! Feb 28 04:11:30 hahaha Feb 28 04:11:41 I told him that needed to be deleted Feb 28 04:12:06 lol Feb 28 04:12:36 my preware won't work withe this update Feb 28 04:13:22 dBsooner: can't we do it? someone else must have access to patch stuff Feb 28 04:13:31 snoob, did you not update preware before updating to 1.4? Feb 28 04:13:33 egaudet: bad eric Feb 28 04:13:37 can anybody point me to a forum thread or some other discussion about the terminal app causing lunasysmgr to restart? Feb 28 04:13:38 I don't have access to deleting files from the feed. Feb 28 04:13:43 and now that it's live, it would be a bad idea. Feb 28 04:13:49 so someone will have to port it Feb 28 04:14:00 until it's ported, it won't install. :) Feb 28 04:14:01 I guess not lol Feb 28 04:14:30 spolak: thats destinal's frustration.. 1.4.0 does not play well with terminal. Feb 28 04:14:32 use Terminus. Feb 28 04:14:49 I tryed reinstall but the pkg mgr won't run Feb 28 04:15:08 snoob: I am getting that too when I reinstall pkg mgr service Feb 28 04:15:17 dBsooner, just removed and reinstalled Preware.... KeyToss patch installs fine now. thanks Feb 28 04:15:17 it seems something is borked in the postinst script for 1.4.0 Feb 28 04:15:21 Loving 1.4!!!!!! Feb 28 04:15:34 I had to downgrade to 1.3.5.1, install Preware/PKG Manager service, then upgrade again. Feb 28 04:15:52 I guess I'll uninstall tilltheres a update tnks Feb 28 04:16:34 dBsooner: we can just comment out the postinst Feb 28 04:16:40 I don't suppose anyone from Pivitol Labs is lurking here... Feb 28 04:16:49 dBsooner: and change the description to "this does nothing" Feb 28 04:16:55 rofl Feb 28 04:16:58 or and updated installer Feb 28 04:17:12 zsoc_wirc: well, to be honest.. I don't see the "duration" in the stock call log Feb 28 04:17:15 dBsooner: why is that funny? it will work. Feb 28 04:17:19 I was "Told by palm" it was there. Feb 28 04:17:35 but it's not in my calllogs Feb 28 04:17:43 so it might be a patch that needs to be ported. Feb 28 04:17:49 CardShark, doubt it since pivotal labs isnt a webos-internals developer Feb 28 04:18:02 didn't think so, but had to ask. :) Feb 28 04:18:06 dBsooner: OH IT IS THERE Feb 28 04:18:10 where? Feb 28 04:18:11 dBsooner: PRESS THE ARROW Feb 28 04:18:15 i did Feb 28 04:18:16 no times Feb 28 04:18:20 i mean durations Feb 28 04:19:29 well there it is Feb 28 04:19:49 i'll just convince egaudet to delete it Feb 28 04:19:55 like he promised Feb 28 04:20:47 dBsooner: obviously you have to select a call that has duration :p Feb 28 04:21:40 I don't get duration either. Feb 28 04:22:09 yes you do Feb 28 04:22:18 I don't get a duration either Feb 28 04:22:24 don't pick a missed call :p Feb 28 04:22:27 I do? Pray tell where? Feb 28 04:22:34 I had to make a new call Feb 28 04:22:38 I called myself from my home phone, and talked to myself for 3 minutes. Feb 28 04:22:39 my OLD calls didnt' show duration Feb 28 04:22:50 I tap the arrow. I see the call, but no duration. Feb 28 04:22:52 but sure nuff, my new ones do Feb 28 04:22:56 AH make a new call since 1.4 Feb 28 04:23:32 Accoring to one of the threads on PreCentral, it's a Sprint "choice" to disallow it. Feb 28 04:23:40 I get the time made but no duration. Feb 28 04:23:44 it works on my sprint pre... Feb 28 04:23:57 mine works Feb 28 04:23:59 on my sprint pre Feb 28 04:24:15 Mine doesn't work on my Sprint Pre. Feb 28 04:24:21 Anywhere you can post a screeny? Feb 28 04:24:24 of course I just full erased/doctored to 1.3.5.1/OTA'd to 1.4.0 Feb 28 04:24:37 I doctored straight to 1.4 Feb 28 04:25:01 the 1.4 doctor is out? Feb 28 04:25:06 I just get the phone number and time of call. Feb 28 04:25:13 Was out yesterday dBsooner. Feb 28 04:25:19 doh Feb 28 04:25:24 I get the same as CardShark. Feb 28 04:26:20 hmmmm Feb 28 04:26:22 wierd.. mine isn't showing now Feb 28 04:26:31 Bad karma? Feb 28 04:26:33 it did before it rebooted Feb 28 04:26:49 You've been Sprint Slapped! Feb 28 04:26:51 Of course it did. Feb 28 04:26:57 (918) 555-1212 (28 secs) GREEN_CALL 10:25 PM Feb 28 04:27:01 thats what it said Feb 28 04:27:13 now its gone Feb 28 04:27:25 That makes for a sad panda. Feb 28 04:27:26 hmm.. mine still works Feb 28 04:27:33 zsoc_wirc: lies. Feb 28 04:27:53 Hrm, I wonder if the user-agent patch is 1.4 compatible. Feb 28 04:28:01 Eguy: I'm not en0x Feb 28 04:28:06 lol Feb 28 04:28:19 patch maintaners should really do their own work :p Feb 28 04:28:53 I'm out of here for a bit. Feb 28 04:29:12 off like a prom dress Feb 28 04:29:50 lol Feb 28 04:30:15 And I wonder when WebOS will do MSN chat Feb 28 04:30:37 is wirc only available preware, or is it ever going to hit the catalog? Feb 28 04:31:13 why would we want it in the catalog? Feb 28 04:31:18 CardShark: it would need private apis Feb 28 04:31:26 Ah. Feb 28 04:31:32 palm would probably do it, but it doesn't make sense Feb 28 04:31:49 Hey, since I have your ear... Anyone working on either fixing the terminal app or an SSH client? Feb 28 04:32:21 and when the pdk is out, we'll probably convert it to mojo+plugin instead of mojo+service Feb 28 04:32:25 destinal: oh god term is still brokey? Feb 28 04:32:53 try terminus Feb 28 04:32:56 it seemed to work for me Feb 28 04:33:45 oil: no arrows Feb 28 04:33:47 can't vim Feb 28 04:33:53 ah Feb 28 04:34:08 er, yes you can :P Feb 28 04:34:10 jklh Feb 28 04:34:12 :P Feb 28 04:34:17 lol Feb 28 04:34:24 learn vi :P Feb 28 04:34:50 I want me a nice SSH client that does X forwarding. =D Feb 28 04:35:10 yeah, jklh - what's with this arrows stuff? Feb 28 04:35:31 Should NEVER rely on using arrow keys in vi or any terminal... tsk tsk ;) Feb 28 04:36:04 or at least tcp forwarding Feb 28 04:36:05 Go try it on an old DEC vt100 greenscreen ;) Feb 28 04:36:24 try carrying one of those in your pocket all day Feb 28 04:36:47 Not the point. Feb 28 04:40:01 lingfish: that's 'lern2vi', and thank you Feb 28 04:40:04 is anyone else having problems with preware after the new webos update it's been a week of issues now Feb 28 04:40:14 zsoc_wirc: where you able to isntall preware/PMS on 1.4.0? Feb 28 04:40:22 zsoc_wirc: heh Feb 28 04:40:32 dBsooner: yeah of course, all is well Feb 28 04:40:44 yes after some script work Feb 28 04:40:49 IcEmaNn: don't use homebrew then Feb 28 04:41:18 dBsooner: all of the problems are stemming from the server exploding, is my guess Feb 28 04:41:30 not mine Feb 28 04:41:38 I was getting errors about read-only filesystem Feb 28 04:41:46 can't create temp dir `(null)' Feb 28 04:41:51 the only problem is it doesn't pick up any of the feeds Feb 28 04:41:54 when I would try to isntall stuff Feb 28 04:42:13 i'll doctor straight to 1.4.0 when I get back from IHOP Feb 28 04:43:27 damn, ihop sounds good Feb 28 04:44:24 yeah, it does Feb 28 04:44:25 yeah, my girls are beggin me Feb 28 04:44:26 very good but I finally have a chance to mess w/ this now any help would be awesome Feb 28 04:44:28 Off I go. Feb 28 04:44:35 Create-a-face pancakes is what they want. Feb 28 04:44:58 have fun Feb 28 04:51:31 hi... i need help on my pre sprint 1.3.5.1 Feb 28 04:51:56 can anybody help me Feb 28 04:51:59 ... Feb 28 04:52:09 please... Feb 28 04:52:15 ... anyone Feb 28 04:52:16 nobudy home Feb 28 04:52:31 bueller? Feb 28 04:52:40 hi Feb 28 04:52:47 hi Feb 28 04:54:51 IcEmaNn: it helps if you ask a question Feb 28 04:55:02 ~asktoask Feb 28 04:55:04 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Feb 28 04:55:30 * CardShark would like to ask about asking a question concerning the inquiry of asking a question. Feb 28 04:55:41 ~ask Feb 28 04:55:43 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Feb 28 04:56:24 +1 Feb 28 04:58:13 ~feel_teh_powah Feb 28 04:59:02 I don't get the " We are all here voluntarily or against our will." part Feb 28 04:59:17 ?? Feb 28 04:59:39 "against our will" == involuntarily Feb 28 04:59:54 so "We are all here voluntarily or involuntarily" Feb 28 05:00:02 yup Feb 28 05:00:02 ok... Feb 28 05:00:07 It's called sarcasm Feb 28 05:00:12 ~wiki sarcasm Feb 28 05:00:17 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (URL), Wikipedia explains: " 'Sarcasm' is the rhetorical device of using a characterization of something or someone in order to express contempt.{{citation|url=http://www.oed.com|publisher=Oxford University Press|title=Oxford English Dictionary|year=2008|quote=A sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt.}} It is closely connected with irony, in that the two are often combined in the ... Feb 28 05:00:45 ~wiki irony Feb 28 05:00:52 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Redirect|Ironic|the Alanis Morrissette song|Ironic (song)}} 'Irony' (from the Ancient Greek {{Polytonic|εἰρωνεία}} "{{lang|grc-Latn|eirōneía}}", meaning hypocrisy, deception, or feigned ignorance) is a situation, literary technique, or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity, discordance, or unintended connection with truth, that goes strikingly beyond the most ... Feb 28 05:01:42 "feigned ignorance" hmm Feb 28 05:03:30 ~wiki lingfish Feb 28 05:03:33 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=lingfish&go=Go Feb 28 05:03:40 bah. Feb 28 05:04:02 ~tsunami Feb 28 05:05:00 look for yourselves, lol Feb 28 05:06:39 multimod patch kills browser Feb 28 05:06:53 dBsooner: can we push an update that uninstalls it? Feb 28 05:07:56 did I goof something up somewhere if, after updating to 1.4, my patches are all still at 1.3.5, and if I try to update any of them, the update fails? Feb 28 05:08:09 I thought it was all supposed to be "automatic" now? Feb 28 05:08:52 lemketron_: maybe you. maybe us. can you pastebin ipkg log? Feb 28 05:09:17 I updated my feeds, and now I see several package updates available but as noted above, updating failed. Feb 28 05:09:22 it looks like my usbnet ssh connections are being closed ever 30 minutes of inactivity Feb 28 05:09:24 where is ipkg log ? Feb 28 05:09:31 this is new behavior Feb 28 05:09:55 lemketron_: good question. I'm not really the guy? /var/log/somethingsomething Feb 28 05:10:21 egaudet needs to be doing some 24/7 support ;) Feb 28 05:10:21 Hrm, can you disable LED notif's per "service" or even per mailbox? I only ever wanna see it flashing for missed calls and SMSs Feb 28 05:10:41 lingfish: I think there's a patch to disable for email Feb 28 05:10:51 srsly, the patch guys shouldn't be allowed to sleep when a new version drops Feb 28 05:10:52 xD Feb 28 05:11:05 zsoc: ok, so not builtin? Feb 28 05:11:23 oil: I'm not joking. Feb 28 05:11:38 xD Feb 28 05:12:35 yeah, we should dock his pay Feb 28 05:13:27 lemketron_: from usb drive, you can copy that info from "webos-patches" log Feb 28 05:13:31 I wonder if turning off "Show Icon" disables it Feb 28 05:14:08 So are there any new commented-out features in 1.4? Feb 28 05:14:16 anyone know if 1.4.0 has come out for VZW yet? Feb 28 05:14:25 looking to get it's link on the wiki if the Doc is out Feb 28 05:14:28 http://webos.pastebin.com/PVLDv8Xs Feb 28 05:14:50 gollyzila: it is a little early to know Feb 28 05:15:04 people haven't had a chance to pour through it yet, only came out yesterday/this morning Feb 28 05:16:37 lemketron_: there's nothing broken in that log? Feb 28 05:16:44 Hmmm. It seems maybe preware didn't know about the 1.4 patches until after I updated the feeds... so maybe it didn't re-install the patches after the 1.4 update, but for some reason thinks they're still installed? Feb 28 05:16:47 zsoc: reboot your pre Feb 28 05:17:14 maybe not in the log, but my device has no active patches, but thinks it does. it thinks they're still 1.3.5 with 1.4 updates available but fails when I try to install them. Feb 28 05:17:17 zsoc: tell me if call log stays working Feb 28 05:17:22 and I thought it was supposed to automatically update them Feb 28 05:18:06 I guess I see why the poll was running 50/50 when I last looked... but I don't know what I could've or should've done differently. I updated preware and the service last night before installing the actual 1.4 update. Feb 28 05:18:44 dBsooner: my phone app won't load lol Feb 28 05:19:21 eh? Feb 28 05:19:31 lemketron: we need to see the failure. try updating a patch and check the log again Feb 28 05:19:35 lemketron_: that shows a successful removal of one particular patch Feb 28 05:19:50 The screen says otherwise Feb 28 05:19:50 dBsooner: ok, still works Feb 28 05:19:59 jacques: I suspect the bot originally said "We are all here voluntarily" (or everyone here is a volunteer) and it got corrupted to add "or against our will" :P Feb 28 05:20:00 really? Feb 28 05:20:25 maybe a kind of bot protest statement against its own servitude? Feb 28 05:20:25 dBsooner: yes Feb 28 05:20:27 1.4 Palm Pre scored a 92/100 on acid3 test. Are there any other tests like that? Feb 28 05:20:41 what a smart bot Feb 28 05:21:07 gollyzila: css/js rendering tests or performance tests ? Feb 28 05:21:07 I bet it has something to do with the database setting. Feb 28 05:21:20 gollyzila: acid is the only meaningful one, and that is arguable Feb 28 05:21:27 "IPKG Log" on the screen says (under install) "An error occurred, return value: 4 Cannot find package org.webosinternals.patches.email-add-priority-discard-btns. Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Feb 28 05:21:48 lemketron_: update Feb 28 05:21:58 update what? Feb 28 05:22:12 lemketron_: manually update feeds Feb 28 05:22:12 I got that when I tapped "update" on the email patch which showed an update to 1.4 available. Feb 28 05:22:30 I only SAW the 1.4 patch update being available after manually updating the feeds. I should update them again? Feb 28 05:22:42 lemketron_: yes Feb 28 05:22:44 * lemketron_ updates the feeds again Feb 28 05:22:57 which part of this was supposed to be automatic now? ;-) Feb 28 05:23:11 bpadalino|work: performance test Feb 28 05:23:21 lemketron_: don't look at me. if it was up to me there would be 4 patches Feb 28 05:23:35 4 patches? Feb 28 05:23:40 lemketron_: did it show patch updates for all of your patches after 1.4 ota? Feb 28 05:23:57 gollyzila: http://dromaeo.com/ for js performance Feb 28 05:23:59 not until I updated the feeds. I set prefs ages ago to NOT update every time I launch the app. Feb 28 05:25:24 lemketron_: ok and then? Feb 28 05:25:26 Huh. Match state to area code patch updated ok with no error. Feb 28 05:25:55 email add priority/discard buttons patch is no longer shown in pending updates, but is still mia in the email app Feb 28 05:26:17 My phone got 272.109 Kbps on mobilespeedtest.com. I remember unthrottle download manager patch gave me better speeds. Feb 28 05:27:02 lemketron_: it's probably 1.4 incompatible Feb 28 05:27:15 hmmm. updating patches one at a time sucks, but I can't "update all" because (1) I'm not sure it works yet (didn't a while back) and (2) there are two apps I don't WANT to update at this time. Feb 28 05:27:17 I have a question. Is it possible to make a 3D game with the development kit? Feb 28 05:27:30 lemketron_: read the patch desc and it should tell you Feb 28 05:27:32 which "development kit"? Feb 28 05:27:40 lemketron_: so what you're sayong is, it was automatic? :p Feb 28 05:27:54 There's more than one? Feb 28 05:28:20 several Feb 28 05:29:10 lemketron_: remove the one it fails on, and move on with "Update All". That patch isn't needed anymore or isn't compatible. Feb 28 05:29:17 The standard one from Palm? heh. Feb 28 05:29:48 damn, email priority/discard buttons are still mia after sysmgr restart Feb 28 05:30:22 yoshiness: no. Feb 28 05:30:35 yoshiness: and any standard palm stuff is discussed in #webos Feb 28 05:31:13 yoshiness: you can create a 3d game with knowledge of SDL and OpenGL ES, and either using our widk or wait for palm's pdk beta Feb 28 05:31:49 Okay. Feb 28 05:32:08 +bpadalino: been doing fine running with no too many cards error, until i went to dromaeo.com, ha Feb 28 05:33:29 mjkjr: nice Feb 28 05:33:35 hmm.. my battery life is _considerably_ worse Feb 28 05:33:39 It seems that attempting to update some of my patches only removed them, and now I have to figure out which ones are gone so i can locate them and re-install them... Feb 28 05:33:40 but everything is smooth Feb 28 05:33:49 zsoc: check out what's eating up cpu ? Feb 28 05:33:52 lemketron_: no no no no no Feb 28 05:34:09 zsoc: that's precisely what happened with the email one Feb 28 05:34:12 lemketron_: those patches are likely not compatible (yet) with 1.4 Feb 28 05:34:12 lemketron_: if you have to figure it out whats gone you don't need them Feb 28 05:34:30 No, I just located and re-installed the 1.4 version of the email patch Feb 28 05:34:39 after attempting to update it removed it and then died. Feb 28 05:34:47 bpadalino: I'm lazy.. I have two touchstones and microusb cables everywhere Feb 28 05:34:52 nice Feb 28 05:34:55 lemketron_: well then that's odd :p Feb 28 05:35:01 sleep for me Feb 28 05:35:08 i'd have 2 touchstones if they didn't cost so much Feb 28 05:35:13 I have five. :-) Feb 28 05:35:21 I have 0 :) Feb 28 05:35:57 touchstone is the way to go Feb 28 05:36:28 Touchstone is orgasmic. Feb 28 05:36:31 I wonder where Palm will take the touchstone technology. Feb 28 05:36:40 It really is cool. Having one in the car totally rocks too. Feb 28 05:36:51 They promised a "touchstone family" Feb 28 05:36:56 Speakerphone mode on the touchstone in the car is so cool I don't bother with bluetooth. Feb 28 05:36:58 Back in June Feb 28 05:37:31 What more could they make to make a family? Feb 28 05:37:39 Egh I hope they promise little for quite some time and just hunker down and make strategic/profitable moves Feb 28 05:37:44 lemketron: you have a usb port in the car? Feb 28 05:37:54 "Touchstone family" lol. Feb 28 05:37:54 I use the Palm-branded car charger Feb 28 05:38:01 to power the touchstone Feb 28 05:38:08 i hope they primise a lot Feb 28 05:38:14 promise* Feb 28 05:38:16 then deliver on it Feb 28 05:38:24 Sometimes it pays to be in second place and they just need to focus (imo) on being sorta like a Nintendo Gamecube of this current cell phone era, keep generating some profits here and there and keep working towards a stable platform and come out with th Wii of tomorrow Feb 28 05:38:30 Wireless data connection between the phone and touchstone? Wireless sync and wireless speakers maybe? Feb 28 05:39:03 wireless sync would be sweeeet Feb 28 05:39:04 lemketron_: did you update feeds? Feb 28 05:39:12 I want magnetic resinance charging Feb 28 05:39:15 and I want it now Feb 28 05:39:33 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2263742#post2263742 Feb 28 05:39:33 mone is having trouble updating feeds Feb 28 05:39:33 * CardShark likes the new stage transition. Feb 28 05:39:37 Yeah, and some of the patches with pending updates installed ok. Others just removed, so I'm trying to find those "REMOVAL" lines in the log so I can go back and find and re-install them. Feb 28 05:40:06 lemketron_: interesting. you may be on to something Feb 28 05:40:16 still better than 'just breaking' Feb 28 05:40:34 The on-scren error was as shown above -- it couldn't find the new package (maybe download from the server failed if the load is still high?) Feb 28 05:40:39 lemketron_: there a log file in /media/internal and also a .packages.patches (or something) file Feb 28 05:40:40 but that didn't make it into the log file Feb 28 05:40:42 Imagine a cushioned touchstone wall. All you'd have to do is toss your phone onto the wall and it'll stick and charge. It'd be pretty neat Feb 28 05:41:04 webos-patches log Feb 28 05:41:18 the servers should be stable and responding well at the moment (slowly, but well) Feb 28 05:42:15 mine just says checking package manager versions Feb 28 05:42:47 and won't download feeds Feb 28 05:43:08 if it doesn't get to saying that it's downloading the first feed, then it's not server related Feb 28 05:43:15 does it use (some derivate of) ipkg or opkg? Feb 28 05:43:18 jhill_: that should be immediate, restart preware, or restart phone then try again. I'm assuming that preware and pms were up to date prior to 1.4 Feb 28 05:43:24 the webos Feb 28 05:44:10 ya and sometimes it has an ipkg that just won't load and sometimes not and I tried restarting both phone and preware Feb 28 05:44:43 turn off palm feeds and theme feeds, unnecessary IMO, then update feeds Feb 28 05:45:07 jhill_: just update the feeds you neeed Feb 28 05:46:25 what's the difference between palm-* and palm-*-updates feeds? Feb 28 05:46:39 when I click manage feeds it just says "installed" and doesn't have a list of my feeds... Should I find them elseware? Feb 28 05:47:01 lemketron_: you answered your own question in your question Feb 28 05:47:50 mjkjr: I disagree Feb 28 05:48:47 lemketron: ok then, palm-* would be the packages, palm-*-updates would be the updates for the packages Feb 28 05:49:15 did everybody elses patches all erase when they updated or was that just mine? Feb 28 05:49:42 Funny, I build packages all day long, and maintain debian package repositories, but I don't have any separate updates list, just a single Packages file that lists all available versions of all available packages. Feb 28 05:50:29 and looking at this from the perspective of a user who might not understand packages and feeds, it's not at all clear what all these choices are in the preware list... just sayin'. Feb 28 05:51:36 lemketron_: i think it's pretty straight forward, just sayin'. Feb 28 05:53:06 jhill_ - I seem to have lost them all too Feb 28 05:53:47 1D10t error Feb 28 05:55:21 the 1.4 doctor when run in windows 7, wanted to reinstall its USB driver which took out my whole usb subsystem (any new usb devices plugged in weren't being recognized) -- reboot seemed to fix it. Feb 28 05:56:38 destinal-home: reboot of the computer? Feb 28 05:57:03 +rwhitby: so about 28K using homebrew so far still a pretty accurate count? Feb 28 05:57:05 gollyzila: yup Feb 28 05:57:29 I'll keep that in mind Feb 28 05:57:55 Acid 3 test = 92/100 Feb 28 05:58:43 hey an actual new modem firmware version Feb 28 05:58:45 INFO: Modem Updater: $ Packge FW Version (510) | Modem FW Version(507) Feb 28 05:59:06 surprised? Feb 28 05:59:25 lemketron_: don't think I've seen one of those in a bit Feb 28 06:00:00 huh. I thought releases often came with new firmware but I haven't looked closely in a while. Feb 28 06:00:47 I think it's the exception rather than the rule but not terribly rare Feb 28 06:02:44 how long should it take for the theme feeds to download because the prwcentral feeds theme is running on about 10 min for me now Feb 28 06:03:01 zsoc: this is some wierd stuff. Feb 28 06:03:15 zsoc: all of a sudden the durations showed up again. Feb 28 06:03:38 dBsooner: hahaha nice. bug report! although I don't think it's in the change log Feb 28 06:04:19 zsoc: gone again Feb 28 06:04:35 zsoc: I did "stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr" Feb 28 06:04:44 Dangit, I want the LED light to be faster Feb 28 06:04:45 then launched phone app, loaded call log.. gone. Feb 28 06:05:12 Abyssul: hack it Feb 28 06:05:30 Abyssul: strings that mother Feb 28 06:05:42 meh, idk what to do Feb 28 06:05:50 I got GPS and pic MMS to fix first Feb 28 06:06:38 zsoc: try that.. from command line "stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr" Feb 28 06:07:15 I would be more helpful, but I borked my power supply completely this time, I'm on wirc :p Feb 28 06:07:48 zsoc: so what.. try anyway Feb 28 06:08:00 so im in boot loader mode, I have the big usb icon. Feb 28 06:08:02 zsoc: I really want to know if yours stops too Feb 28 06:08:10 mjkjr: 148181 unique IP addresses accessing homebrew using Preware, and 14203 using WebOS Quick Install. Feb 28 06:08:17 dBsooner: I already restarted luna Feb 28 06:08:37 rwhitby: you mistyped that number a little Feb 28 06:08:45 mjkjr: 24389 Preware users accessing the patches feed, 13937 active Patch users, 1344 WebOS Quick Install users accessing the patches feed. Feb 28 06:08:53 I ran the dr, but the next button won't light up.... anyone know what is happening to the pre when the dr says connect your phone directly.... Feb 28 06:09:05 zsoc: no, you rebooted phone.. restart luna Feb 28 06:09:18 zsoc: and verify the call log duration is still there Feb 28 06:09:21 dBsooner: I did both at different times Feb 28 06:09:32 zsoc: no, the earlier figures (24K) were only for those accessing the 1.4 patches feed. The 148K figure is unique IPs accessing any feeds. Feb 28 06:09:47 mrloserpunk: turn phone off. hold volume up, plug in usb, press power Feb 28 06:09:51 thats awesome! 150K using preware today!!! Feb 28 06:10:00 rwhitby: very interesting Feb 28 06:10:17 mrloserpunk: unique ips doesn't necessarily mean 150k users Feb 28 06:10:23 +rwhitby: wow, thanks. I had to make a dang twitter account today just so I could follow @webosinternals Feb 28 06:10:28 Can ANYONE else verify their "Call Duration" in the call log is WORKING? Feb 28 06:10:32 So whilst we counted 25K downloads of Preware last time we did a version update before 1.4, we're now counting 148K unique IPs accessing feeds with Preware. The real number is probably somewhere between those tow. Feb 28 06:10:39 s/tow/two/ Feb 28 06:10:40 rwhitby meant: So whilst we counted 25K downloads of Preware last time we did a version update before 1.4, we're now counting 148K unique IPs accessing feeds with Preware. The real number is probably somewhere between those two. Feb 28 06:11:16 mjkjr: you could have just used http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/64349812.rss - no need for a twitter account Feb 28 06:11:24 * CardShark can verify his is not. Feb 28 06:11:38 s/is not./call duration is not. Feb 28 06:11:44 oops Feb 28 06:11:48 forgot the trailing / Feb 28 06:11:48 either way thouse numbers are impressive Feb 28 06:12:51 I am unable to get the doctor running in boot loader mode..... any ideas? Pre wont boot to webos, and I cant get the next button on the dr to unghost... Feb 28 06:13:45 mrloserpunk: two things. one, if you're in windows try stopping and starting the palm novacom service (start, run, services.msc, Palm Novacom, stop, start) Feb 28 06:13:46 +rwhitby: nice to know about that rss feed now. maybe I'll find something to "tweet" about though. Feb 28 06:14:24 stopped and restarted Feb 28 06:14:26 how do I look up a preferences setting in Luna? Feb 28 06:14:54 mrloserpunk: see if the next button appears. if not,... are you running 1.4 doctor? you may have the problem I had with 1.4 doctor in windows Feb 28 06:15:03 TelephonyCommands.subscribePreference("phoneAppHideCallDuration", this.onHideCallDurationPreferenceReturn.bind(this)) Feb 28 06:15:16 how do I look up that "phoneAppHideCallDuration" value? Feb 28 06:15:20 mjkjr: yeah, based on those numbers I've revised my Preware users figure to somewhere between 25K and 150K :-) Feb 28 06:15:42 rwhitby: smart estimate :) Feb 28 06:15:52 so every time i open preware now, it hangs at the download spinner, and eventually causes the too many cards notification and the phone to respond VERY slowly, if at all. the phone will eventually reboot on its own normally. Feb 28 06:15:53 mrloserpunk: 1.4 doctor in windows seems to want to reinstall its USB driver. when that happened, it totally killed my USB subsystem's ability to recognize newly inserted devices Feb 28 06:16:08 mrloserpunk: I had to restart my computer completely to fix it Feb 28 06:16:17 destinal-home: that's good advice from Palm to stop using windows ... Feb 28 06:16:20 will do Feb 28 06:16:34 does the battery charge when the usb symbol is on? Feb 28 06:16:35 preware was working immediately after the update to 1.4. well, it had some timeouts and such but i got most of my patches updated Feb 28 06:16:58 mrloserpunk: yes it does charge when in bootie (slowly though) Feb 28 06:17:15 pullingj: yeah, if 1.4 had come a day later, we would have had the second nginx server in place already and maybe weathered the storm a bit better. Feb 28 06:17:24 Oooh, so there's a hide call duration bit somewhere? What file, and what lines? Feb 28 06:17:44 okay, I'll try to reboot. Palm support site says if it does not work to see my carrier. So this could be something the dr cant cure? Feb 28 06:17:46 rhwitby: are the server issues causing preware to hemmorage memory and eventually reboot the phone? Feb 28 06:18:01 +rwhitby: I like those figures. Feb 28 06:18:23 mrloserpunk: the doctor basically always works in USB recovery mode in my experience Feb 28 06:18:26 for example opening and closing the slider currently have no effect on the phone Feb 28 06:18:33 oh wait, the backlight just now came on Feb 28 06:18:43 pullingj: no, that's likely to be huge feed files caused by server issues. rm /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* should fix it (ipkgservice now does that on each install, so reinstalling ipkgservice should also fix it) Feb 28 06:19:05 rwhitby: ahh, i'll give that a shot Feb 28 06:19:29 hahaha, i can't even ssh in.. Feb 28 06:19:37 well i imagine i will be able to eventually Feb 28 06:19:37 is it at the Connect your phone directly to your computer with your USB cable stage where the dr checks the battery level? Feb 28 06:20:03 mrloserpunk: it's after clicking next Feb 28 06:20:32 mrloserpunk: next will appear if the device is connected and the novacom service recognizes it. just reboot your computer and see if that helps Feb 28 06:20:40 cool, so its not the battery issue. I ran it previously but at 54% or something it said phone disconnected although it was not Feb 28 06:20:42 Idk if everyone knows, but VZW is sending out 1.4 know. I think it's old news know though Feb 28 06:21:02 mrloserpunk: yeah, if it was a battery thing next would work but then it would say, charging, please wait Feb 28 06:21:22 (Woah, keys feel more "gel-ly" with just cut nails) Feb 28 06:21:26 cool. rebooting now Feb 28 06:21:53 gollyzila: ah, cool, another wave Feb 28 06:22:19 just when the server thought it could relax a bit :P Feb 28 06:22:44 * VincentLaw throws cold water in the server's face Feb 28 06:22:48 NO ONE SAID YOU COULD SLEEP Feb 28 06:22:54 Haha Feb 28 06:23:31 * gollyzila gets some eggs to fry on the servers in an hour Feb 28 06:23:44 great. now i want eggs Feb 28 06:23:48 the new server is going to laugh in the face of that wave (maybe): http://twitpic.com/15slfr Feb 28 06:27:40 Even though I delete the conversations in Messaging, after I restart the app, the conversations are still there. Feb 28 06:30:16 ok.. Feb 28 06:30:31 who here has command line access and DOES NOT have the Call Duration in the call log? Feb 28 06:30:46 me (but I didn't install that patch) Feb 28 06:30:48 sorry, no cli here Feb 28 06:31:04 lemketron_: you DO NOT have the call duration? Feb 28 06:31:05 or DO? Feb 28 06:31:14 patch? or feature? Feb 28 06:31:20 feature Feb 28 06:31:35 rwhitby: hrmm, this may very well have been my preware problem... ;) Feb 28 06:31:37 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2147483647 Feb 27 13:34 webos-patches Feb 28 06:31:38 I don't see durations in my log. should I? Feb 28 06:33:00 U got a file U need looked at? Feb 28 06:33:10 lemketron_: yes. Feb 28 06:33:15 lemketron_: pull up a command line Feb 28 06:33:29 already there Feb 28 06:33:33 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/close {\"processId\":\"1000\"} Feb 28 06:33:52 is there any way to choose not to update to 1.4? Feb 28 06:33:55 did you get a "true" return? Feb 28 06:34:07 yes Feb 28 06:34:16 lemketron_: launch phone Feb 28 06:34:17 it should hang Feb 28 06:34:26 Should we install the call duration patch to enable call duration? Or does it not work? Feb 28 06:34:29 lemketron_: FYI it seems like the 1.4 doctor has a problem with its installation of the new USB drivers Feb 28 06:34:32 lemketron_: did it? Feb 28 06:34:44 destinal-home: eh? Feb 28 06:34:52 phone was running when I did that. dismissed card and re-launched fine. Feb 28 06:35:06 lemketron_: open call log Feb 28 06:35:22 you realize the log is totally new in 1.4 right? Feb 28 06:35:23 press the arrow on a call you know was longer than 10 seconds Feb 28 06:35:26 yes Feb 28 06:35:41 wow, how did preware take a file that is supposed to be 200k and make it 2 gigs? Feb 28 06:36:16 I don't see durations. but as mentioned, I also haven't installed any duration patch Feb 28 06:36:23 pullingj: good question Feb 28 06:36:25 lemketron_: I know Feb 28 06:36:28 1.4 is supposed to include durations Feb 28 06:36:30 lemketron_: I am trying to make it where you can Feb 28 06:36:47 rwhitby: i still have the 2.0gb webos-patches if you'd like to know what's in it Feb 28 06:36:52 lemketron_: do: sudo luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Feb 28 06:36:54 +1 for dBsooner Feb 28 06:37:12 dBsooner: lemketron_: what happens is you start the 1.4 doctor in Windows 7 at least, and it figures out it needs to update its USB driver. So, it installs that driver, but then suddenly windows stops detecting any USB devices getting plugged in, and it also doesn't detect the pre plugged in, either. I unplugged my mouse, and plugged it into another port, and it wouldn't work at all. I had to restart Windows, and then ever Feb 28 06:37:15 lemketron_: find the processId's for the TWO com.palm.app.phone Feb 28 06:37:28 pullingj: do a head and tail and let me know what it looks like Feb 28 06:37:29 mrloserpunk had the same type of issue with needing a reboot before the 1.4 doctor worked Feb 28 06:38:04 lemketron_: sorry.. com.palm.phone Feb 28 06:38:07 there should be two Feb 28 06:38:15 dBsooner: you should find process IDs by name, not assume a particular ID is phone Feb 28 06:38:20 vzw is pushing 1.4 now? Feb 28 06:38:30 1001 and 1010 for me now Feb 28 06:38:33 lemketron_: most of the time 1000 is the first instance of phone Feb 28 06:38:39 so kill those two Feb 28 06:38:41 rwhitby: ok, working on it.. tail is taking a minute ;) Feb 28 06:38:43 +jacques: that's the word Feb 28 06:38:47 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/close {\"processId\":\"1001\"} Feb 28 06:38:54 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/close {\"processId\":\"1010\"} Feb 28 06:38:55 I wonder what I killed earlier Feb 28 06:39:04 jacques: and I just instrumented the new server in time :-) Feb 28 06:39:05 dBsooner: me Feb 28 06:39:07 lemketron_: it dont' matter.. it will restart. :) Feb 28 06:39:26 rwhitby: new server? I thought ka6sox-work hadn't put that in yet Feb 28 06:39:35 ok, killed both Feb 28 06:39:47 lemketron_: now launch phone app Feb 28 06:39:49 jacques: new instance (running nginx) on same server. new "virtual" server Feb 28 06:39:51 it SHOULD hang Feb 28 06:40:11 it does. what have we proved? we killed the headless app. Feb 28 06:40:19 nope Feb 28 06:40:19 +rwhitby: maybe the AUPT poll will look better tomorrow now? Feb 28 06:40:21 close that Feb 28 06:40:27 lemketron_: throw it out.. and start again Feb 28 06:40:30 should start right up Feb 28 06:40:31 rwhitby: ah so we just changed web servers and it made all the difference? Feb 28 06:40:46 jacques: we'll find that out now :-) Feb 28 06:40:50 lemketron_: first creates the head.. second launches app Feb 28 06:41:02 lemketron_: and you SHOULD now see durations Feb 28 06:41:04 wow, launched the second time but it's wedged Feb 28 06:41:08 jacques: due to DNS propagation, the load was shared across both for the last couple of hours Feb 28 06:41:12 shows log but can't scroll or do anything Feb 28 06:41:24 So dbsooner, doest that mean you found a bug? Feb 28 06:41:32 I dunno, vzw customers are way too cool to be updating their preware on a saturday night Feb 28 06:41:41 CardShark: possibly, but its not listed as an official addition to 1.4.0 Feb 28 06:41:51 Ah, I thought it was. Feb 28 06:41:54 jacques: also I had to increase maxclients in apache .. some responses from the wiki are still somewhat sluggish Feb 28 06:42:19 lemketron_: just do "stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr" and all your preload app heads will restart Feb 28 06:42:38 * dBsooner is going to doctor straight to 1.4.0 now Feb 28 06:42:41 dBsooner: shouldn't pkill LunaSysMgr do the same thing faster? Feb 28 06:42:42 see if that fixes this wierd issue Feb 28 06:42:53 destinal-home: it does the same thing, no? Feb 28 06:43:01 pkill stops the service and it auto-respawns. Feb 28 06:43:04 right Feb 28 06:43:11 easier to type I mean :) Feb 28 06:43:18 ok.. typing easier, yes. Feb 28 06:43:24 rwhitby: still waiting for the tail of the 2gig file, but here's the head: http://webos.pastebin.com/4MfKzdec Feb 28 06:43:26 i'm just stuck in old ways. Feb 28 06:43:39 destinal-home: running 1.4.0 doc now on w7 64bit Feb 28 06:43:58 pullingj: head looks normal Feb 28 06:45:08 strange it's taking so long, i figured tail just read from the end of the file, but it's obviously scanning the entire file Feb 28 06:45:18 btw, the output of this is much easier to read: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} 2>&1 | sed -e 's/},/}\n/g' Feb 28 06:45:38 calendar is 1000 Feb 28 06:45:43 lemketron_: too much to type Feb 28 06:46:02 destinal-home: no problem installing novacom driver on mine. Feb 28 06:46:03 type? copy/paste, then up-arrow + return Feb 28 06:46:13 destinal-home: it's flashing now. Feb 28 06:47:37 dBsooner: maybe it's a 64-bit vs 32-bit thing, dunno Feb 28 06:47:48 destinal-home: maybe its an eric thing Feb 28 06:48:05 destinal-home: maybe its a sign you NEED TO FIX TERMINAL? Feb 28 06:48:08 we should have egaudet try it to prove your theory Feb 28 06:48:15 woah, the second and third pages of my launcher are gone/inaccessible Feb 28 06:48:30 destinal-home: sure.. he doesn't use windows.. so its proven. Feb 28 06:50:32 rwhitby: you can see the load is starting to fall off.. it looks as though the worst might be over. :) Feb 28 06:52:37 we were up near 800 simultaneous active http connections earlier .. good times Feb 28 06:53:05 destinal-home: on webos-internals? Feb 28 06:53:10 yup Feb 28 06:53:12 that's where ALL the images are pulled from Feb 28 06:53:36 huh. full reboot fixed my strange launcher, but call log still shows no durations. Feb 28 06:53:40 sheesh.. palm should really allow you to skip the madem flash Feb 28 06:53:55 dBsooner: for 1.4 it actually updates the modem Feb 28 06:54:04 Firmware update from (510) to (510) is forced! Feb 28 06:54:14 right.. but if you are already on the newest modem Feb 28 06:54:20 yeah, that is a bit silly Feb 28 06:54:29 its a bit dangerous as well Feb 28 06:54:43 doctor is probably trying to ensure you're starting from a known (good) state when it finishes. Feb 28 06:54:49 regardless of what the device THINKS it has Feb 28 06:54:55 but then the doctor is a recovery tool, what do you do if you had a bad flash earlier and it's trying to recover it Feb 28 06:54:57 destinal-home: 800 active connections is pretty serious :-) Feb 28 06:55:26 dBsooner: I am working on updating some of the patches that are just dummy files (mainly the ones to hide apps from the launcher) Feb 28 06:55:31 how do i get them on preware? Feb 28 06:55:36 as soon as nginx came online.. it was at 500 active connections Feb 28 06:55:50 most of them work as is so i am jsut verifying that the 1.3.5.1 patches still work Feb 28 06:55:53 did we even hit 200 ppl in here last night? not while I was here Feb 28 06:55:55 http://patches.webos-internals.org/ Feb 28 06:56:01 (at least i think they will, testing the first one now Feb 28 06:56:38 nothing on precentral about the vzw 1.4 push Feb 28 06:57:50 webos-internals almost hit 900 (in the logs) active connections Feb 28 06:58:19 engadget has the new tho Feb 28 06:58:21 news Feb 28 06:58:42 and its been averaging about 25mbps since 1.4 released Feb 28 06:58:49 hey, they get 4 more MB than we do ! :-P Feb 28 06:59:14 mobile hotspot maybe ? Feb 28 07:00:26 Verizon users: http://forums.precentral.net/2264054-post85.html Feb 28 07:01:01 +rwhitby: i just read that, should help out a lot if people read it Feb 28 07:02:32 Preware should have a bulletin Feb 28 07:02:56 rwhitby: you should edit that and link to http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse&webosver=1.4.0 Feb 28 07:04:07 any way to estimate roughly verizon vs sprint preware users? Feb 28 07:04:24 rwhitby: any major issues with the 1.4.0 update come up yet? Feb 28 07:04:37 dBsooner: I used http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse&webosver=1.4.0&category=all Feb 28 07:04:54 that would be close enough Feb 28 07:04:54 :) Feb 28 07:04:55 Let me try asking my earlier question another way... Do I need to enable *-updates feeds in preware if I have the (presumably larger) feed of the same name (sans "-updates")? Feb 28 07:04:58 mrloserpunk: probably not, since most people will OTA over wifi Feb 28 07:05:34 lemketron_: no, but your sans-updates feed will only be up to date once ever 24 hours. Feb 28 07:05:43 s/ever/every/ Feb 28 07:05:44 rwhitby meant: lemketron_: no, but your sans-updates feed will only be up to date once every 24 hours. Feb 28 07:05:53 rwhitby: we can guesstimate based on amount of server load once 1.4.0 launches on vzw Feb 28 07:06:09 lemketron_: the feeds simple mirror the XML files that your colleagues provide to us Feb 28 07:06:13 ah. So the detail I was missing was that "-updates" is intra-day updates Feb 28 07:06:32 "... provide to us" -- which I know nothing about. Feb 28 07:06:36 :-) Feb 28 07:06:47 lemketron_: -updates is last 48 hours Feb 28 07:06:50 dBsooner: submitted an updated hide nascar patch, more to come Feb 28 07:06:56 :) Feb 28 07:07:08 lemketron_: http://bit.ly/palm-catalog-feed Feb 28 07:07:09 cryptk: cool.. I'll approve once they come through Feb 28 07:07:12 ok Feb 28 07:07:25 I will let you know once I finish them all so you can just do them all at once Feb 28 07:07:28 rats. Just ran the dr. It does remove patches and homebrew..... how come? Feb 28 07:07:40 rwhitby: there is a patch in the "new patches" section of our admin on the portal. Feb 28 07:07:57 rwhitby: I haven't approved it yet because I felt it might be a little too close to "improper" Feb 28 07:08:13 rwhitby: what do you think? Feb 28 07:08:16 rwhitby: is preware smart enough to NOT grab the "only updated once daily" palm feeds then, even if I have it update feeds on every launch? Feb 28 07:08:27 'cause I got tired of waiting for that and set it to update feeds only once a day Feb 28 07:08:27 dBsooner: what do you mean "once it launches" ? Feb 28 07:08:56 cxreg: 1.4.0 hasn't been reased to vzw yet Feb 28 07:08:59 or has it? Feb 28 07:09:01 dBsooner: it has Feb 28 07:09:04 oi Feb 28 07:09:06 nm then Feb 28 07:09:08 lemketron_: no, it's not. Feb 28 07:09:08 mrloserpunk: dr completely re-flashes your device Feb 28 07:09:26 dBsooner: yes, that ones needs consideration Feb 28 07:09:27 mrloserpunk: doctor only leaves the /media/internal untouched Feb 28 07:10:30 I think he was comparing to 1.3.5's doctor that left /media/cryptofs intact Feb 28 07:10:44 (usually causing problems) Feb 28 07:10:46 it did? Feb 28 07:10:50 dBsooner: kinda annoying I can only do one every 5 minutes... Feb 28 07:10:57 mrloserpunk: what dbSooner said -- but patches are made to the built-in packages, which are all blown away and replaced. Feb 28 07:10:58 my /media/cryptofs never made it through properly Feb 28 07:11:13 cryptk: sigh Feb 28 07:11:17 cryptk: pm me your ip Feb 28 07:11:21 i dont understand the change really Feb 28 07:11:32 1.3.5.1 kept my homebrew Feb 28 07:12:31 mrloserpunk: doctor is intended to be a full wipe. I think the 1.3.5 doctor not wiping cryptofs may have been an oversight Feb 28 07:12:44 did they change it in the new doc? Feb 28 07:12:51 does it now wipe everything? Feb 28 07:13:02 cryptk: it seems so Feb 28 07:13:07 ok, I'm going offline again for a while. Feb 28 07:13:08 * rwhitby bbl Feb 28 07:13:40 cryptk: but that may only be from earlier versions, I don't know if anyone has tried it to doctor 1.4 over 1.4 yet Feb 28 07:14:00 could be Feb 28 07:14:07 i see destinal-home. Im not crazy though, it did save patches right? Feb 28 07:14:51 mrloserpunk: 1.3.5 doctor did save apps and thought it saved patches, but it was wrong about the patches thing Feb 28 07:15:09 ahhh.... thanks for the clarification Feb 28 07:15:33 the patch packages were installed but the files they patched got reverted, so preware thought they were installed when they weren't which created big problems Feb 28 07:16:12 ahhh Feb 28 07:16:44 I was disappointed in that. Glad to here its back to normal! Feb 28 07:16:53 destinal-home: that is why there is the Emergency Patch Installer Feb 28 07:17:04 cryptk: yup, and that was the way you had to fix it Feb 28 07:17:06 before Feb 28 07:17:08 yep Feb 28 07:17:25 so did Media Sync mode finally go away completely? Feb 28 07:17:35 yes Feb 28 07:17:39 wait.. I THINK you can enable it Feb 28 07:17:43 Nope, it's just turned off by default Feb 28 07:17:45 its a hidden option Feb 28 07:17:47 ah ok Feb 28 07:17:48 it can be enabled again Feb 28 07:18:21 I wouldn't call it hidden... just hit the "i" on the USB mode and it will tell you how to turn it on Feb 28 07:18:41 is it just me or does it seem like palm implemented things similar to several of the third party patches this time around? Feb 28 07:18:42 hidden enough Feb 28 07:18:54 yeah not very hidden lol Feb 28 07:19:11 * rwhitby bbl Feb 28 07:19:17 but hidden enough is right, neved used media sync once Feb 28 07:19:29 ok.. flashed 1.4.0 directly from doctor Feb 28 07:19:34 still don't have call duration properly Feb 28 07:19:50 I don't have call duration at all Feb 28 07:20:14 dbsooner: was that officially in the changelog or not Feb 28 07:20:25 mjkjr|wirc: I don't see it Feb 28 07:20:37 But I can get it to show up Feb 28 07:20:43 Does anyone know if palm changed the location of the palmdatabase.db3 that stores text messages and call logs? I tried backing up and restoring an older copy and it did nothing. I then deleted the palmdatabase.db3 file and all of my text messages were still there Feb 28 07:20:53 i just kill the com.palm.phone instances in luna Feb 28 07:20:58 and then relaunch them Feb 28 07:21:01 and they are there Feb 28 07:21:05 but as soon as luna restarts, they are gone. Feb 28 07:21:28 dBsooner: I didn't think so. That's very weird/interesting Feb 28 07:22:29 I had the patch prior to 1.4 but I'm living just fine without it now Feb 28 07:24:55 dbsooner: did you backup and restore your txt messages after the doctor? Feb 28 07:25:19 1.4 definitely feels a lot snappier to me Feb 28 07:25:42 I agree, alot snappier. Feb 28 07:25:51 I also like the launch animation Feb 28 07:25:55 notice more on my pixi than pre lol Feb 28 07:32:43 ok Feb 28 07:32:51 here is how to get your Call Duration to work: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.systemservice/getPreferences '{"keys":["phoneAppHideCallDuration"]}' Feb 28 07:32:54 woops Feb 28 07:32:56 wrong paste Feb 28 07:33:08 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.systemservice/setPreferences '{"phoneAppHideCallDuration":false}' Feb 28 07:33:43 does that last thru a reboot? Feb 28 07:33:47 yep Feb 28 07:33:55 just rebooted to verify Feb 28 07:34:01 any other way to flip that flag? Feb 28 07:34:05 nope Feb 28 07:34:24 there was a rumor that sprint asked to have that hidden Feb 28 07:34:27 Interesting Feb 28 07:34:29 i will have to talk to egaudet and rwhitby about a way to luna-send from a patch Feb 28 07:34:40 i am not about writing a program Feb 28 07:36:21 maybe someone who knows more about crap than me can program it into the phone prefs Feb 28 07:36:22 hmm Feb 28 07:36:26 maybe I could.. Feb 28 07:36:38 And I can do that from a command prompt thru webosqi? Feb 28 07:37:55 CardShark: yes Feb 28 07:38:06 * CardShark grabs his cable Feb 28 07:38:54 restarting Feb 28 07:39:11 dBsooner: good work, but I'm lazy so I'll wait for something to popup in preware :-) Feb 28 07:41:47 Thanks dBsooner. Feb 28 07:41:48 stiiiiiiil booting Feb 28 07:42:00 Eguy: lemketron_ helped Feb 28 07:42:08 Thanks lemketron_. Feb 28 07:42:28 CardShark: Palm has got to cut that boot time down. Feb 28 07:42:31 we are working on a way to create a switch toggle in phoneprefs Feb 28 07:42:40 yup. Feb 28 07:42:42 you mean by crashing my phone while following dBsooner's instructions? ;-) Feb 28 07:42:48 OK, it's up. going to check it out now. Feb 28 07:42:49 that too Feb 28 07:42:50 :) Feb 28 07:43:01 Everyone has to be a guinea pig at some point ;) Feb 28 07:43:11 having some weird issues with some of these app hids patches Feb 28 07:43:22 well lemketron really just let his phone get bricked by my instructions. Feb 28 07:43:26 I wrecked my phone in the beginning with with first predevwiki ;) Feb 28 07:43:30 I am the one that told him how to break things. :) Feb 28 07:43:31 they aren't actually modifying the files Feb 28 07:43:42 * CardShark got ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true } Feb 28 07:43:51 That's normal Feb 28 07:44:05 Do I have to restart again, or should it be there? Feb 28 07:44:35 Where is it saying that? Feb 28 07:45:00 dBsooner: you think a switch toggle for this might be in the near future? Feb 28 07:45:17 That's what I got after running that command line Feb 28 07:45:20 don't see duration either. Feb 28 07:45:22 CardShark: you should Feb 28 07:45:28 CardShark: now do Feb 28 07:45:36 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.systemservice/getPreferences '{"keys":["phoneAppHideCallDuration"]}' Feb 28 07:45:40 what does taht give? Feb 28 07:46:02 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "phoneAppHideCallDuration": false } Feb 28 07:46:17 restarting... Feb 28 07:46:38 I think 1.4 actually lengthened the boot time lol Feb 28 07:46:48 It's slower than 1.3.5 in certain places Feb 28 07:47:24 Worked for me dBsooner. Feb 28 07:47:56 CardShark: perfect.. after you set, you have to restart luna Feb 28 07:47:58 not the phone Feb 28 07:47:59 just luyna Feb 28 07:48:01 luna* Feb 28 07:48:04 oops Feb 28 07:48:07 too late. heh Feb 28 07:48:09 it doesn't matter Feb 28 07:48:14 just luna takes 20 seconds Feb 28 07:48:17 and phone takes 20 minutes Feb 28 07:48:20 no big deal Feb 28 07:48:20 * CardShark sucks Feb 28 07:48:23 20 years Feb 28 07:48:37 brb need to reboot the computer Feb 28 07:48:56 What's the quickie way to resart Luna? Feb 28 07:49:02 Luna Manager Feb 28 07:49:22 from CLI. Feb 28 07:49:32 CardShark: pkill LunaSysMgr Feb 28 07:49:51 thx destinal-home Feb 28 07:50:08 I love how my VM notification dings WAY Before I can do anythign about it. lol Feb 28 07:50:27 it's up; checking.... Feb 28 07:51:16 why would I get a prompt in preware about the package manager service only being a back end service and only being able to be used by other apps with a button that says "Ok, I will ignore this icon"... never seen that one before... Feb 28 07:51:19 OK. My call log is jacked. Feb 28 07:51:22 came up when I was installing a patch Feb 28 07:51:28 My earliest one is now 12/25/2009 Feb 28 07:51:49 It does show duration tho...... but what happened to my log.. Feb 28 07:51:50 cryptk: if you "launch" the package manager service that'll happen. Feb 28 07:51:57 I dind't launch it though... Feb 28 07:52:07 it came up in preware when I clicked to remove a patch Feb 28 07:52:08 lol Feb 28 07:52:18 cryptk: yeah, that's a bit odd Feb 28 07:52:29 and now it seems like my java keeps restarting over and over Feb 28 07:52:50 just gonna restart the phone... Feb 28 07:53:07 dBsooner: Well, I do see call duration now, but I've lost my call log back to 12/25/2009. I'm OK w/ that, but if you put something out there might want to give a warning. Feb 28 07:53:36 reboot luna again Feb 28 07:53:36 :) Feb 28 07:53:42 OK. Feb 28 07:54:33 I was going to say...mine didn't do that. Feb 28 07:54:43 Luna restarting Feb 28 07:54:54 I should use this more often. Feb 28 07:55:24 Wow, that IS a lot faster. heh. Feb 28 07:55:45 Hmm, no Zsoc. Feb 28 07:55:55 ~seen zsoc Feb 28 07:55:57 zsoc <~zsoc@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 40m 15s ago, saying: 'rwhitby: smart estimate :)'. Feb 28 07:56:24 aaaaaaaaaaaaand my call log is back, AND I have duration!!!! Feb 28 07:56:37 dBsooner, I'd kiss you but people would talk. Feb 28 07:57:00 * cryptk thinks an anonymous donation of beer to dBsooner's house would suffice Feb 28 07:57:17 donate.dbsooner.com Feb 28 07:57:18 ;) Feb 28 07:57:29 im working on creating a toggle now Feb 28 07:57:30 Oh, and it was simple enuf I could do it after 3 glasses of whiskey Feb 28 07:58:30 I just cleared my log. I had stuff going back to 6/5/09 when I got my pre lol. Feb 28 07:59:16 odd... that problem with the package manager service prompt is repeatable... Feb 28 07:59:44 patch installed through QI, remove it with preware... it prompts about package manager service and chain restarts java... Feb 28 07:59:46 ~zsoc Feb 28 07:59:48 zsoc is probably the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. Feb 28 07:59:49 while watching stargate dvds Feb 28 07:59:53 haha excellent Feb 28 08:00:17 cryptk: ok that's bizarre Feb 28 08:00:31 dBsooner: would it be ok if these updated patches I put myself as the maintainer? Feb 28 08:00:33 wow, they never told me the more apps i downloaded the longer the dr. visit Feb 28 08:00:41 cryptk: up to you Feb 28 08:00:46 it is kinda "stealing" from the original guy, but he hasn't updated them yet... Feb 28 08:01:02 they are MIT licensed Feb 28 08:01:07 so make sure the original person stays in there Feb 28 08:01:11 comma seperated Feb 28 08:01:54 well someone should maintain reset launcher to first page, lol. ;-) Feb 28 08:01:54 Hmm, can the infobot pass messages to people? :) Feb 28 08:03:19 infobot: tell Roy-Pre101 you can pass messages Feb 28 08:04:03 * Roy-Pre101 pokes infobot Feb 28 08:04:46 jacques: I think he means for people to come back online and get Feb 28 08:04:50 infobot: botmail for Roy-Pre101: howdy! Feb 28 08:05:03 botmail really? Feb 28 08:05:11 looks like the botmail cmd is what you want Feb 28 08:05:26 Hey dBsooner, are you on P|C? I know a lot of people that would like your magic command... Feb 28 08:06:21 I have this weird bug in 1.4... sometimes, when my screen locks, I go to unlock it and end up with the clock still stuck on there and no way out Feb 28 08:06:33 weird Feb 28 08:06:47 other ppl have been complaining about the lockscreen Feb 28 08:06:53 destinal-home: I had the opposite. No clock but just the lock circle Feb 28 08:06:54 dBsooner: when you push these, make sure I tagged the Amazon MP3 one as 1.4.0 and not 1.3.5 Feb 28 08:07:01 just pushed sprint TV Feb 28 08:07:10 A reboot fixed it for me. Feb 28 08:07:28 CardShark: I am the moderator for the patches on P|C Feb 28 08:07:31 do either of you use a PIN on the lockscreen? Feb 28 08:07:43 Nope. Feb 28 08:07:45 I'll take that as a yes, then. LOL Feb 28 08:07:54 I think the other person having a problem was using a PIN Feb 28 08:07:56 jacques, I use the lock screen Feb 28 08:08:04 I haven't had any issues yet Feb 28 08:08:11 i mean pin Feb 28 08:08:11 jacques: yeah I use pin Feb 28 08:08:33 I don't use a PIN and haven't seen any issues Feb 28 08:08:38 I don't use a PIN and it only happened on the Touchstone. Feb 28 08:08:49 interesting Feb 28 08:08:55 I used my touchstone earlier, and it worked normally Feb 28 08:09:00 I should try one of my touchstines Feb 28 08:09:08 s/in/on/ Feb 28 08:09:08 jacques meant: I should try one of my touchstones Feb 28 08:09:29 Some people can't upload videos to YouTube, I can. Weird issues here. Feb 28 08:09:38 not a fan of the new lock Feb 28 08:09:52 new lock? looks same to me Feb 28 08:09:52 I can't email videos for some reason Feb 28 08:09:58 hoping for a scrim patch Feb 28 08:10:36 = Feb 28 08:10:38 = Feb 28 08:10:41 = Feb 28 08:10:58 there go's the hide NFL patch Feb 28 08:11:37 maybe they aren't logged in, ha ha Feb 28 08:11:44 isn't there a patch which will hide sprint tv, nascar, and nfl ? Feb 28 08:11:51 how long should i expect it to sit on the screen with the white orb after it reboots to do the upgrade? Feb 28 08:11:57 it's been a while, like over a half hour Feb 28 08:12:15 Mine took a while. Don't recall how long. Feb 28 08:12:16 It's just setting the code in the appinfo.json visible to hidden. Feb 28 08:12:16 cxreg: is it still animating? Feb 28 08:12:16 cxreg: it takes a while. Feb 28 08:12:30 How far along is the outer circle? Feb 28 08:12:47 i dont think it's animating Feb 28 08:13:07 ill give it a while longer Feb 28 08:13:47 Rod: if you're on here I can really use your help... Feb 28 08:14:30 rxs2k: what is your problem, others may be able to help also Feb 28 08:14:40 cool Feb 28 08:15:00 well he replied to a post i made on precentral so... here's my problem. I want to back up my save game for NFS Feb 28 08:15:08 hello everybody. are the webos-internals servers still getting hit hard with the patch updates...? Feb 28 08:15:17 cxreg: Not recommending this but mine froze after finishing doing the update and never reached the throbbing palm logo. I pulled the battery and rebooted. Everything went fine. Feb 28 08:15:30 hmm Feb 28 08:15:31 his reply included a link to a script for doing such a thing. Feb 28 08:15:40 but I'm so condused on what to do... Feb 28 08:15:42 aCrazyPenguin: they were but things have calmed down Feb 28 08:15:47 Eguy: i'm wondering if it has to do with a botched theme install from earlier Feb 28 08:15:59 rxs2k: where is the post? Feb 28 08:16:02 destinal-home: Are you going to continue with Terminal's development? Feb 28 08:16:05 I will take a look at the script Feb 28 08:16:08 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2264153&posted=1#post2264153 Feb 28 08:16:36 cryptk: I just might be doing someting wrong.... Feb 28 08:16:45 Eguy: I am -- I'm currently troubleshooting the 1.4 terminal segfault carnage Feb 28 08:16:51 Good man. Feb 28 08:16:57 I'm looking forward to it ;) Feb 28 08:17:11 i just took my phone to the doctor installed preware and now its having trouble downloading feeds Feb 28 08:17:15 i should be able to instal preware and service from quick install with out having to worry about server load now right? Feb 28 08:17:21 I don't like having to ssh or hook it up with usb. Feb 28 08:17:49 Server load is fine now it seems. Feb 28 08:17:54 himmie a sec to finish what I am doing and I will look at it Feb 28 08:17:59 destinal-home: good job on terminal... carnage might be a little strong :) Feb 28 08:18:01 cool Feb 28 08:18:11 thank you Feb 28 08:18:29 I could have sworn I saw a contacts backup/export feature in the changelog...am I drunk? Feb 28 08:18:35 Nope Feb 28 08:18:39 It should be there Feb 28 08:18:48 Where? I can't find it.... Feb 28 08:19:12 you tell us if you're drunk Feb 28 08:19:13 lol Feb 28 08:19:26 I haven't looked for it Feb 28 08:19:27 Just buzzed. I think. Feb 28 08:20:08 Well, I'm not finding anything re: backup/export. :( Feb 28 08:20:29 Eguy: i just did the hold-power-and-flick-silent reset Feb 28 08:20:34 Eguy: it now says installing update Feb 28 08:20:47 CardShark: Looks like that was false Feb 28 08:20:52 sounds good Feb 28 08:20:55 It is not in the official change log Feb 28 08:21:06 it hadn't even started, turns out Feb 28 08:21:12 Boo. Feb 28 08:21:19 Has anybody tried to email a video? Feb 28 08:21:24 Mine don't send Feb 28 08:21:31 I'll try right now. Feb 28 08:21:43 Eguy: gives an error? Feb 28 08:21:44 dBsooner: ok, I think I have them all in there, go ahead and check/push them... please check and make sure I checked them all as 1.4.0, lol Feb 28 08:22:01 I did Amazon, Nascar, NFL and Sprint TV Feb 28 08:22:14 Sending... Feb 28 08:22:25 jacques: Yes. Something along the lines of error cannot send now. Feb 28 08:23:28 rxs2k: do you know how to run a shell script? Feb 28 08:23:28 Success. Feb 28 08:23:28 someone should make a control panel which allows toggling the visibility on every app Feb 28 08:23:33 Just received it. Feb 28 08:23:43 Weird. Feb 28 08:24:04 No. :( Feb 28 08:24:08 jacques, itl require a service or something like it to be able to write to the appinfo of every application Feb 28 08:24:19 Well oil? Get to work. Feb 28 08:24:33 there is security concerns when you allow access like that Feb 28 08:24:37 hmm. unless I tapped the wrong one and didn't notice, it sent the wrong video. Feb 28 08:24:57 rxs2k: copy the text from this page Feb 28 08:24:59 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/com.ea.app.nfsuc;hb=HEAD Feb 28 08:25:04 Did it send a private one? Feb 28 08:25:11 put it into a text file Feb 28 08:25:20 then remove the .txt extension Feb 28 08:25:24 I wonder how many people have used the Pre's video camera for "private" videos already. Feb 28 08:25:24 oil: how is it worse than a patch which does the same thing? Feb 28 08:25:31 and copy it onto the USB drive of your phone Feb 28 08:25:36 that goes through the ipkgservice Feb 28 08:25:37 heh... Only G ratings, so far here. Feb 28 08:25:42 and people ok to allow the patch to run Feb 28 08:25:46 Eguy: just wait until Flash is here Feb 28 08:25:48 if there was a service Feb 28 08:25:58 oil: people don't OK them anymore Feb 28 08:25:59 once hte service is installed, any app could use it to do whatever Feb 28 08:26:03 do i name it? Feb 28 08:26:09 but its signed by us as ok Feb 28 08:26:14 rxs2k: name it whatever you want Feb 28 08:26:15 which is why there is no more dialog Feb 28 08:26:21 rxs2k: NFS-backup would work Feb 28 08:26:24 Does redtube have a mobile site? Feb 28 08:26:28 okay. done Feb 28 08:26:31 Eguy: Ya know, no one who hangs out in the IRC chats is likely to have compliant females for that sort of thing. Feb 28 08:26:40 ok, is it on the USB drive of your phone? Feb 28 08:26:45 yes Feb 28 08:26:52 do you have novaterm? or SSH? Feb 28 08:27:03 or any way to get to a terminal on your phone? Feb 28 08:27:08 or quick install Feb 28 08:27:14 yes. im in root right now Feb 28 08:27:14 * Eguy still uses novaproxy when necessary :) Feb 28 08:27:20 ok do this Feb 28 08:27:25 cd /media/internal Feb 28 08:27:34 what did you name it? Feb 28 08:27:54 named it nfs Feb 28 08:27:56 ok Feb 28 08:27:58 do this Feb 28 08:28:02 sh ./nfs Feb 28 08:28:06 that will run it Feb 28 08:28:42 k give me a min Feb 28 08:29:20 OK, 1:32AM and I is tired. dBsooner, thanks again for the duration fix!! Eguy, good luck w/ eMailing ur videos! Feb 28 08:29:25 with any luck it should make a folder called saverestore in your phones USB drive and have you NFS backed up Feb 28 08:29:31 at least the game save Feb 28 08:29:49 ~seen dBsooner Feb 28 08:29:50 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (6d 15h 11m 9s) #webos-watercooler (6d 15h 11m 9s). Has said a total of 288 messages. Is idling for 22m 22s, last said: 'CardShark: I am the moderator for the patches on P|C'. Feb 28 08:29:55 busy Feb 28 08:30:02 ahh Feb 28 08:30:03 np Feb 28 08:30:07 so, do games such as EA's also use SDL? Feb 28 08:30:13 not sure Feb 28 08:30:20 cryptk: i am trying to get this toggle working Feb 28 08:30:25 I haven't looked into it Feb 28 08:30:31 dBsooner: you are making a toggle app? Feb 28 08:30:36 oh man Feb 28 08:30:37 well, app/service? Feb 28 08:30:42 has anyone ported aalib to webos? Feb 28 08:30:50 i want some goddamn ascii art gaming Feb 28 08:30:51 cxreg: not that I know of Feb 28 08:30:57 heh Feb 28 08:31:08 why don't you do it? Feb 28 08:31:12 i might :) Feb 28 08:31:30 cxreg: yes, all the full motion graphical games use SDL Feb 28 08:31:30 I love my new e-cig... Feb 28 08:31:34 that seems like a niche item :-\ Feb 28 08:31:37 EA has multiple Feb 28 08:32:31 cryptk: I must be doing something wrong, I keep getting an error saying can't open ./nfs Feb 28 08:32:39 aCrazyPenguin: re: terminal, thanks. hope I can get it fixed for 1.4 very soon Feb 28 08:32:48 rxs2k: what is the exact error? Feb 28 08:33:20 sh: can't open ./nfs Feb 28 08:33:25 that's all it says. Feb 28 08:33:55 you put the nfs file in the USB partition right? Feb 28 08:34:03 correct Feb 28 08:34:12 did you name it nfs or NFS? Feb 28 08:34:40 nfs Feb 28 08:34:44 do this... Feb 28 08:34:56 you are already in /media/internal right? Feb 28 08:35:01 yes Feb 28 08:35:04 ls | grep nfs Feb 28 08:35:16 that is a pipe ( | ) shift+\ Feb 28 08:35:23 brb Feb 28 08:35:30 k. done Feb 28 08:35:35 Still here on wirc Feb 28 08:35:58 got it! Feb 28 08:36:13 rxs2k: what did it return? Feb 28 08:36:38 all it returned was: ls | grep nfs Feb 28 08:36:50 Can you force luna to reload com.palm.phone when a settings is changed? Feb 28 08:36:54 how are you doing this? Feb 28 08:37:00 like... how did you get root access? Feb 28 08:37:07 through novacom Feb 28 08:37:10 ok Feb 28 08:37:15 do this Feb 28 08:37:16 ls Feb 28 08:37:23 find the file named nfs Feb 28 08:37:28 rell me exactly what it is names Feb 28 08:37:34 s/names/named/ Feb 28 08:37:34 cryptk meant: rell me exactly what it is named Feb 28 08:38:34 and did you put it right in the base of the USB or in a folder in the USB? Feb 28 08:39:15 put it in the base. Feb 28 08:39:25 my reply was la: not found Feb 28 08:39:26 dBsooner: you mean the phone service? Feb 28 08:39:32 ls not la Feb 28 08:39:36 yeah Feb 28 08:39:46 lmao Feb 28 08:39:47 sorry Feb 28 08:39:53 dBsooner: install my upstart manager app and you should be able to stop and start the phone service Feb 28 08:39:57 using the app Feb 28 08:40:01 I get nos uch file or dir Feb 28 08:40:13 but com.palm.phone seems more like an app than a service Feb 28 08:40:22 cryptk: yeah, not practical. Feb 28 08:40:29 rxs2k: what exactly did you type in Feb 28 08:40:41 night all Feb 28 08:40:50 dBsooner: if it is a service you want to restart I can tell you how to call upstartmgr service to stop and start it Feb 28 08:40:55 from within whatever app you are writing Feb 28 08:41:21 ls should not give you a no such file error Feb 28 08:41:29 it should list the files in your current working directory Feb 28 08:41:46 just ls by itself... Feb 28 08:41:48 cryptk: here is what I have Feb 28 08:42:11 cryptk: I added a toggle button in "Phone Preferences".. an On/Off toggle Feb 28 08:42:18 i justed typed in ls by itself Feb 28 08:42:31 cryptk: When you TOGGLE that.. I want it to automatically reload com.palm.phone (which luna holds open all the time) Feb 28 08:42:40 rxs2k: and it gave you a no such file error? Feb 28 08:43:26 when i type ls it just says ls Feb 28 08:43:46 so confused... I feel so dumb right now... Feb 28 08:43:46 rxs2k: check out this pastebin Feb 28 08:43:47 http://webos.pastebin.com/ZmMQqpCA Feb 28 08:43:53 that is what it should return Feb 28 08:44:04 ls then it returns the files/folders Feb 28 08:44:36 what it returns will be different for you (different phone and you should be in media/internal) Feb 28 08:44:54 dBsooner: ahh, you want to kill and restart an APP, not a service Feb 28 08:44:56 cryptk: so is there a way to kick/restart the phone app when a phone pref is cahnged? Feb 28 08:45:00 right Feb 28 08:45:15 you could try using the applicationmanager service to do it Feb 28 08:45:18 because the phone app isn't subscribing to the setting thread properly. Feb 28 08:45:27 one sec and I will get you some code to try Feb 28 08:45:35 k Feb 28 08:45:43 thats all I lack Feb 28 08:45:52 right now you can toggle the Call Duration on and off Feb 28 08:46:01 but you have to manually restart luna (to restart phone app) Feb 28 08:46:08 and the call log duration shows up Feb 28 08:46:08 brb... gonna close out terminal and retry Feb 28 08:46:58 dBsooner: hrm... I am seeing stuff on app manager on how to launch an app... but not how to kill one... Feb 28 08:47:12 well, aalib built and works. but it only built console/terminal support :/ Feb 28 08:47:13 my thought though is that it wouldn't work anyway Feb 28 08:47:23 luna-send -n 1 "palm://com.palm.applicationManager/close" "{\"processId\":\"1058\"}" Feb 28 08:47:32 yeah Feb 28 08:47:35 but here is the problem Feb 28 08:47:51 if you are issueing the commands to close and open the phone app from within the phone app.. Feb 28 08:48:00 no Feb 28 08:48:04 from within the PHONEPREFS app Feb 28 08:48:08 separate app Feb 28 08:48:10 the command to close it will fire and it will close... then it will never be able to open it since it isn't open to issue the command Feb 28 08:48:11 phoneprefs isn't the phone app Feb 28 08:48:14 ahh Feb 28 08:48:15 cryptk: using internals i cna see the ngs.sh file Feb 28 08:48:16 ok Feb 28 08:48:31 nfs.sh? Feb 28 08:48:37 you said you named it nfs Feb 28 08:48:39 not nfs.sh Feb 28 08:48:53 I asked you "what exactly did you name it" Feb 28 08:49:04 I have both nfs.sh and nfs Feb 28 08:49:09 ahh Feb 28 08:49:14 ok, open a terminal Feb 28 08:49:16 I tried doing what that link said Feb 28 08:49:20 novacom Feb 28 08:49:24 then Feb 28 08:49:29 cd /media/internal Feb 28 08:49:36 let me know when you get there Feb 28 08:49:52 dBsooner: the process ID may change each time though Feb 28 08:50:05 you need a way to close it by name Feb 28 08:50:14 yeah, which isn't possible with /close Feb 28 08:50:18 has to be Id Feb 28 08:50:20 pId Feb 28 08:50:28 it would have to be much more complex Feb 28 08:50:39 you would have to query for the list of running apps, put that into an array Feb 28 08:50:49 search the awway for the name and get it's process ID Feb 28 08:50:54 then kill it by process ID Feb 28 08:51:00 away = array Feb 28 08:51:22 rxs2k: you still with me? Feb 28 08:51:26 eys Feb 28 08:51:29 yes Feb 28 08:51:29 here Feb 28 08:51:31 ok Feb 28 08:51:35 are you in novacom? Feb 28 08:51:42 and cd /media/internal Feb 28 08:51:50 yes, im in media/internal Feb 28 08:51:54 do ls Feb 28 08:52:10 does it list files/folders? Feb 28 08:52:14 finally! Feb 28 08:52:21 ok good Feb 28 08:52:22 do this Feb 28 08:52:25 cat ./nfs Feb 28 08:52:31 that should return the script Feb 28 08:52:39 I wanna make sure we have the right file since you have more than one Feb 28 08:52:59 yes Feb 28 08:53:02 ok Feb 28 08:53:02 got the script Feb 28 08:53:04 sh ./nfs Feb 28 08:53:34 I'm having problems, preware crashes my phone... Feb 28 08:54:02 EdsPre: 1.4.0? Feb 28 08:54:06 Yes Feb 28 08:54:10 and when does it crash it? Feb 28 08:54:18 when loading? when downloading feeds??? Feb 28 08:54:26 While it's loading feeds Feb 28 08:54:30 crap... i 'm getting syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "then") Feb 28 08:54:53 ok, you need to talk to rwhitby then about an error in the script Feb 28 08:55:01 but that is how you run it Feb 28 08:55:15 cool. Feb 28 08:55:19 thank you. :) Feb 28 08:55:58 After 1.4 it ran out of space, afer clearing space on my media drive it still crashes my phone Feb 28 08:56:25 twhich feed is it crashing during? Feb 28 08:56:41 * lemketron_ decides to call it a night... Feb 28 08:56:49 First one, before during palm-catalog Feb 28 08:56:55 hrm... Feb 28 08:56:59 hi Feb 28 08:57:02 try reinstalling it... Feb 28 08:57:05 no clue on that one Feb 28 08:57:44 I can't run webosquickinstall, no internet on my computer till thursday Feb 28 08:58:04 reinstall it using the bootstrap then Feb 28 08:58:09 let me get you a link Feb 28 08:58:18 Bootstrap? Feb 28 08:58:22 i have small question. yesterday i update my GSM palm pre from germany to 1.4 but when i browse some flash site i canot play flash video etc. somebody know where is problem? Feb 28 08:58:37 EdsPre: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware#Preware_Bootstrap Feb 28 08:58:56 EdsPre: run those 3 commands from a terminal on the pre Feb 28 08:59:04 I.E. Novacom Feb 28 08:59:18 I would recommend saying no when it asks if you want aplhas Feb 28 08:59:25 finding a viable display device for aalib could be a problem. heh. i wonder if i could route it back to sdl somehow. Feb 28 08:59:31 unless you are prepared to possibly deal with possible bugs Feb 28 08:59:45 although it might be amusing to play need for speed over ssh Feb 28 08:59:54 I don't have a terminal on my Pre. :( Feb 28 09:00:25 you have novacom at home? Feb 28 09:00:28 on your computer? Feb 28 09:00:35 Yes Feb 28 09:00:39 do it there then Feb 28 09:00:44 novacom gives you a terminal Feb 28 09:00:45 Ok Feb 28 09:00:57 novacom in and do those 3 commands Feb 28 09:01:02 it will (re)install preware Feb 28 09:01:22 if it still crashes then you will have to talk to someone who knows more than me Feb 28 09:01:31 anyways, gonna play some WoW Feb 28 09:02:33 have somebody working flash support 1.4 Feb 28 09:04:55 cryptk Feb 28 09:05:04 i have eliminated some of the erros Feb 28 09:05:39 the only error that remains is the syntax error and I dont understand why. Feb 28 09:06:27 well.. I don't know how to force com.palm.phone to reload Feb 28 09:06:31 so patch works Feb 28 09:06:39 just have to restart luna after you toggle Feb 28 09:06:40 :) Feb 28 09:15:45 anyone know a quick and painless way to back up nfs game saves? Feb 28 09:15:46 night everyone Feb 28 09:17:09 rxs2k: copy the two files referenced in the script manually to somewhere on /media/internal Feb 28 09:17:21 lol, k Feb 28 09:17:30 anybody know how can i install NFS i have europe GSM version but i cant see in my app catalogue Feb 28 09:17:32 idk why the script is giving me errors Feb 28 09:20:27 rwhitby: you're the man! thank's alot. Feb 28 09:20:54 I just wish I knew what was wrong with the script. I'm interested all of a sudden. Feb 28 09:21:23 rxs2k: I'll probably start working on saverestore more after the 1.4 storm has passed Feb 28 09:21:46 mainly since the accidental profile reset of my main device wiped it. Feb 28 09:22:51 rwhitby: sounds good. the error is so strange too . I don't understand why it's throwing a syntax error. I will ask my programming prof to look at it. Feb 28 09:25:45 rwhitby: Any idea how to get Luna to restart com.palm.phone (OR reload) when a setting in cahnged in Phone Prefs? Feb 28 09:26:14 dBsooner: nope Feb 28 09:28:21 thanks rod... off to the doctors. Feb 28 09:28:51 ok, preware-bootstrap needs to remove all the lists files first, and take a command line argument for alpha versions, and a command line argument to force reinstalls, so we can use it for people to clear up too large feed files. Feb 28 09:30:37 something like "wget -o- http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap | sh" should be a single line paste-into-webos-quick-install-command-line guaranteed-in-all-cases fix preware solution Feb 28 09:35:58 so have it default to not use testing by default Feb 28 09:36:36 and have "sh ./preware-bootstrap testing=yes" Feb 28 09:43:09 rwhitby: as soon as autobuilder runs.. there will be a NEW Call Duration in Call Log patch Feb 28 09:43:14 courtesy of me. :) Feb 28 09:45:59 ooh, found an unadvertised feature in 1.4 Feb 28 09:46:03 you can delete aim contacts now Feb 28 09:46:46 no wait, maybe not. hm. Feb 28 09:52:56 its there Feb 28 09:53:04 rwhitby: check it out Feb 28 10:00:33 AUPT poll is down to 43%. I blame the server :-) Feb 28 10:04:33 me too Feb 28 10:04:36 rwhitby: tweet Feb 28 10:04:40 http://bit.ly/aBequM Feb 28 10:04:41 :) Feb 28 10:06:49 dBsooner: what is the patch called? Feb 28 10:07:05 Call Duration in Call Log Feb 28 10:07:13 phone-call-duration-in-call-log Feb 28 10:07:52 done Feb 28 10:15:18 rwhitby: awesome! updated screenies: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2264401#post2264401 Feb 28 10:20:01 dBsooner: you might want to reload the screenshots Feb 28 10:20:06 the number is visible Feb 28 10:20:10 i know Feb 28 10:20:11 fixing Feb 28 10:20:15 i just saw that Feb 28 10:20:20 on both =) Feb 28 10:20:44 * jhojho watches all the single guys on precentral write it down Feb 28 10:20:46 lol Feb 28 10:21:36 there Feb 28 10:21:38 rofl Feb 28 10:21:43 she would woop there butts Feb 28 10:21:52 but mind first Feb 28 10:21:59 s/mind/mine/ Feb 28 10:21:59 dBsooner meant: but mine first Feb 28 10:22:07 has cpu freq/voltage scaling been enabled in 1.4 by default (anyone know?) Feb 28 10:22:18 hey you are the one calling her at 3:49am Feb 28 10:22:22 firestrider: no Feb 28 10:22:26 no, she called me Feb 28 10:22:31 and it's my wife. ;) Feb 28 10:22:35 lol Feb 28 10:22:57 dBsooner: you have a chance to push those patches I updated? Feb 28 10:23:06 yep Feb 28 10:23:07 done Feb 28 10:23:09 oh I'm sure she's real pleased that you broadcast her number.. Feb 28 10:23:24 dude Feb 28 10:23:29 you only fixed one screenshot Feb 28 10:23:34 the other still has her num Feb 28 10:24:05 hoho Feb 28 10:24:23 actually I think that is DB's number Feb 28 10:24:28 I should call it and find out Feb 28 10:24:40 lol Feb 28 10:24:45 quick, everyone call db Feb 28 10:24:52 or send a text, lol Feb 28 10:24:53 ho Feb 28 10:25:06 btw thanks for rewriting that patch Feb 28 10:27:03 no, the other is mine Feb 28 10:27:09 and everyone knows me anyone Feb 28 10:27:12 anyway. Feb 28 10:27:17 but its been fixed as well. Feb 28 10:27:40 i just need to figure out a way to make the phone app reload on setting change Feb 28 10:28:26 could we make something to prevent the "patch is installed but doesn#t work in certain lang" problem? Feb 28 10:28:42 maybe some checkbox: works in EN, DE, ES etc? Feb 28 10:28:56 I just wish someone would rewrite the brightness unlinked patch into a pref Feb 28 10:29:09 wouldn't be much work Feb 28 10:29:16 you mean the one that launches brightness unlinked at bootup? Feb 28 10:30:04 im off to bed Feb 28 10:30:06 night ya'll Feb 28 10:31:18 night Feb 28 10:31:37 how is it handled if a patch works in 1.4 or not Feb 28 10:31:45 cryptk: well brightness unlinked in unwieldy to start with and having a patch to start it is not ideal imo Feb 28 10:32:11 imo it should just be two separate prefs, one for screen brightness and one for keyboard. eom Feb 28 10:32:27 dBsooner: night Feb 28 10:32:50 are you planning to rewrite your patches for match call to state and download count too? Feb 28 10:39:15 who made this German translation for preware? It's sometimes a bit stupid... Feb 28 10:57:08 not i Feb 28 10:57:27 does anyone else see the download count in the app catalog (without the download count patch?) Feb 28 11:13:33 time to clean up email attachments (again) Feb 28 11:14:10 cmd to do so: find /var/luna/data/emails/ -type f -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; Feb 28 11:15:30 that's 42MB freed up for me Feb 28 11:31:20 jhojho: you should put that in an app and sell it for $0.99 Feb 28 11:31:33 lol Feb 28 11:31:37 I should Feb 28 11:38:01 MetaView: patches welcome on the german translation. Feb 28 11:39:17 rwhitby: do you see the download count in the app catalog? (Without the download count patch that is) Feb 28 11:39:36 might be one that goes on the list of unneeded patches if this is true. Feb 28 11:40:23 jhojho: I see a ratings count, but no downloads count Feb 28 11:40:35 hmm Feb 28 11:40:43 that's really strange that I see the download count Feb 28 11:40:59 given that dbsooner's patch has not been forward ported to 1.4.0 Feb 28 11:42:31 fwiw, in case anyone has not mentioned it, the yelp app is somewhat broken Feb 28 11:44:23 results page renders incorrectly, should be a pretty simple fix Feb 28 11:46:26 My preware feeds seem to point to a bad address. At the bottom of a long error message is http://webos.pastebin.com/VCb9AEiW Feb 28 11:47:32 (I hope this is the right place). I was just wondering if there's a manual way to change the feeds, since at the end of the address, I don't think there should be /all/ Feb 28 11:48:05 subversiveasset: hi Feb 28 11:48:17 subversiveasset: how did you install the Package Manager Service? Feb 28 11:48:50 rwhitby: Through WebOS Quick Install 3.02 Feb 28 11:49:13 subversiveasset: and does that URL with 'all' in it persist if you reboot your device? Feb 28 11:49:30 rwhitby: it has, yes. Feb 28 11:49:48 subversiveasset: are you able to run linux command lines and past the output? Feb 28 11:49:57 paste Feb 28 11:50:10 rwhitby: through webOS QI, yes Feb 28 11:50:42 subversiveasset: can you do "cat /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" and put it on webos.pastebin.com ? Feb 28 11:52:08 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/htnvaBWH Feb 28 11:52:31 the color balance in the videos the chap vacationing in vietnam look to be way off Feb 28 11:52:54 subversiveasset: that can't be right. that file should be tens of lines long Feb 28 11:53:36 subversiveasset: the output of "grep webos-patches /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" please? Feb 28 11:54:10 hope that's not widespread Feb 28 11:54:30 rwhitby: do you know if anyone ever tried giving the java process more mem to see if that improves things? Feb 28 11:54:51 jhojho: why would ipkgservice need more mem? Feb 28 11:55:26 well it's not just ipkgservice isnt it? Feb 28 11:55:43 gak ps ax is not showing the full path Feb 28 11:58:04 rwhitby, did you look up the deinstall thing? Feb 28 11:58:42 oil: nope Feb 28 11:58:51 been a bit busy with some server thing :-) Feb 28 11:59:33 rwhitby: different q. was there a reason to set PermitRootLogin for sshd? Feb 28 11:59:39 oil: I see you nicely kicked a few tracs over Feb 28 11:59:44 yeah Feb 28 12:00:02 jhojho: sure - openssh via Preware is root login, port 22, ssh keys only. Feb 28 12:00:37 jhojho: which survived 1.4 nicely, BTW. Feb 28 12:00:50 rwhitby: well that's how it is installed but is there a reason to access the pre as root? Feb 28 12:01:08 jhojho: yep, there are a couple: Feb 28 12:01:09 I usually just access as user then sudo as needed Feb 28 12:01:17 1) Everything runs as root anyway Feb 28 12:01:22 i decided to integrate luna manager into preware, too Feb 28 12:01:38 2) root account doesn't go away when webOS is updated Feb 28 12:01:43 i figured, why keep it seperate when preware can do it Feb 28 12:02:11 3) No Joe Users users use openssh for anything any more anyway, so it's only people who know how to use root that are left Feb 28 12:03:04 rwhitby hey, sorry, my computer just shut off, and I can't seem to turn it back on. The computer I'm on now doesn't have webos quick install Feb 28 12:03:10 oil: not a bad idea, but you might want to keep it out of the way under advanced or something. probably not a good idea to make it too easy to restart =) Feb 28 12:03:23 oil: cool, that will be very useful for people who load up a lot of patches, and then want to luna restart at the end but forgot that they had finished Feb 28 12:03:29 I probably need to figure out how to get my computer working before I can continue with trying to get preware back up Feb 28 12:03:31 i put it in the menu Feb 28 12:03:41 subversiveasset: hang on a sec Feb 28 12:04:23 subversiveasset: /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice should look like http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=blob;f=upstart/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Feb 28 12:04:28 rwhitby: makes sense. I was somewhat surprised to see someone mention that /etc/shadow was removed. Feb 28 12:04:35 tho Feb 28 12:04:48 and root with no passwd Feb 28 12:04:51 subversiveasset: you'll notice lines 21 to 28 configure the webos-patches.conf file on every boot. Feb 28 12:05:47 subversiveasset: we need to work out why that is not happening on your Pre Feb 28 12:05:56 rwhitby: I see. Feb 28 12:06:12 rwhitby, what function was it that needed error reporting during update? Feb 28 12:06:31 oil: the one that gets the output from rawlist Feb 28 12:06:54 oil: since ipkgservice will send a "stage":"failed" with errorcode if a list file is > 10MB. Feb 28 12:08:37 hi guys Feb 28 12:10:42 g'day trim81 Feb 28 12:11:04 decided 1.4 is not for me Feb 28 12:11:09 too slow compared to 800mhz Feb 28 12:11:17 doctored back to 1.3.5 Feb 28 12:11:34 awesome. did you see the posts from Jeff about his Pre? Feb 28 12:11:56 hmm, not aware Feb 28 12:12:01 what does it say? Feb 28 12:12:23 jhoff88? Feb 28 12:12:50 read the 800MHz thread now, before you turn you Pre back on. Feb 28 12:13:17 http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/229666-quickinstall-600-mhz-550-mhz-simple-patch.html Feb 28 12:13:22 thats the only thread i kn ow of Feb 28 12:13:23 is that it? Feb 28 12:13:38 the one where he bricked his phone? Feb 28 12:17:31 has anyone used the 300 word auytoreplace patch? is it as good as it says?> Feb 28 12:17:33 any slowdown Feb 28 12:21:47 rwhitby: what was the second thing I was supposed to paste. My computer seems to be back up...for now Feb 28 12:24:51 rwhitby: I think we need some checkmarks where patch submitter can specify which languages are covered Feb 28 12:25:10 rwhitby: the output of grep webos-patches /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice is here -> http://webos.pastebin.com/jfUBtahj Feb 28 12:25:11 then other can pick up the patch and add the translated versions Feb 28 12:25:43 is not only about translation is the files which aren't patched, therefore the patch doesn't work, doesn't show up and people complain Feb 28 12:26:21 I wouldn't mind to add a couple of German changes, it's usually very straight forward, just another file Feb 28 12:26:49 btw: what am I supposed to do to make my patch 1.4 aware? Feb 28 12:27:21 For me it looks, the device menu wasn't changed in the updated, the patch should just work Feb 28 12:32:08 what was the name of the duke repository? Feb 28 12:32:33 found it Feb 28 12:32:46 * MetaView needs to ask loud to find the answer on its own :) Feb 28 12:33:17 MetaView: please talk to dBsooner about additions to the submission process for additional languages. Feb 28 12:34:05 yes, will do Feb 28 12:34:35 ok, now I make a new checkout in the build/apps dir and try the package again Feb 28 12:36:36 preware hangs on repair unknown packages Feb 28 12:37:01 works on second run Feb 28 12:37:28 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=commit;h=99c46cc9baec305858499764ea813ff9f0785e11 Feb 28 12:40:09 oil: is it possible just to display the errorText that ipkgservice returns? In the future it could be more than just size problems. Feb 28 12:41:14 oil: do you think we should continue with the next list file, or stop at that point? Feb 28 12:43:27 idk Feb 28 12:46:51 since one list file won't affect the others, we could choose to load whatever is possible to load Feb 28 12:49:01 wait Feb 28 12:49:10 so it sends an errorCode AND stage=failed? Feb 28 12:49:16 yep Feb 28 12:49:38 then as it is now, itl message the errorText and end Feb 28 12:49:47 i can make it error and continue Feb 28 12:50:32 packages.infoResponse, right? Feb 28 12:50:54 yeah, im fixin it Feb 28 12:51:17 yeah, an error message like we do for update, and then continue with the next list Feb 28 12:51:54 ok, whats there is ready to be tested Feb 28 12:52:05 thx Feb 28 12:59:52 rwhitby: can you explain me again how the packaging and stuff works? Feb 28 13:00:13 MetaView: which Makefile have you read so far? Feb 28 13:00:41 am I supposed to make the exe in a different location, commit the executable to git and then checkout on a different place to package? Feb 28 13:01:14 I have /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/duke3d where I have a working makefile which creates the exe Feb 28 13:01:23 MetaView: that is the case at the moment, yes. In the future, we hope to merge build.git and cross-compile.git so that the autobuilder builds the exe directly Feb 28 13:01:40 and I have /srv/preware/cross-compile/build/apps Feb 28 13:02:14 ok, I just crate the duke3d directrory and copy/modify the quake Makefile in build/apps? Feb 28 13:02:21 MetaView: that second one should be /srv/preware/build/apps Feb 28 13:02:44 MetaView: yes in /srv/preware/build/apps/nuke3d/Makefile Feb 28 13:02:45 ph, ok Feb 28 13:03:22 MetaView: and the exe you built goes in /srv/games/duke3d/binaries/armv7/... Feb 28 13:04:09 really? Feb 28 13:06:54 error: pathspec 'v1.0.0' did not match any file(s) known to git. Feb 28 13:06:55 make: *** [../../downloads/duke3d-1.0.0.tar.gz] Error 1 Feb 28 13:09:24 MetaView: you need to git tag the repo so it knows which version to checkout on the autobuilder (since you don't want it automatically building just any old development version you might commit) Feb 28 13:09:39 MetaView: git tag -a -m "Changelog entry text goes here" v1.0.0 Feb 28 13:09:44 MetaView: git push --tags Feb 28 13:10:05 MetaView: then VERSION=1.0.0 in the Makefile Feb 28 13:10:47 MetaView: think of adding the tag as your review and approval of that version :-) Feb 28 13:22:35 mv build/src/binaries build/binaries Feb 28 13:22:35 mv: cannot stat `build/src/binaries': No such file or directory Feb 28 13:22:35 make: *** [build/.unpack] Error 1 Feb 28 13:22:39 what's it? Feb 28 13:23:21 fxck Feb 28 13:25:12 cp: target `build/armv7/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.duke3d/' is not a directory Feb 28 13:25:18 where is this directory coming from? Feb 28 13:45:54 packaging done Feb 28 13:46:19 MetaView: cool. did you add it under apps or under unreleased ? Feb 28 13:46:51 if you added it under apps, please git mv it to under unreleased and then we will put it into the testing feed for alpha testing first Feb 28 13:48:14 MetaView: once it's ready in /srv/preware/build/unreleased/duke3d/Makefile, let me know and I'll double check it and then push it to the testing feed Feb 28 13:48:33 dBsooner: I see you finished the call duration in call log patch you were working on lastnight, quick work. Feb 28 13:52:01 rwhitby: are you tracking numbers still? just woke up and the feeds updated in under 10 seconds, big change from yesterday. Feb 28 13:52:02 MetaView: BTW, we usually put the binary in /srv/games/duke3d/binaries/armv7/duke3d so that we can add i686 and armv6 binaries in the future when possible Feb 28 13:52:57 mjkjr|wirc: that's the new ipkg.preware.org nginx server Feb 28 13:57:55 mjkjr|wirc: 20K unique IPs downloading patches Feb 28 13:59:10 mjkjr|wirc: 160K unique IPs accessing the feeds using Preware Feb 28 13:59:33 rwhitby: well it seems lightning fast now. I'm thinking that may help the poll a little bit. Feb 28 14:00:33 mjkjr|wirc: 16,500 unique IPs accessing the feeds using WebOS Quick Install Feb 28 14:01:08 twh: sry, I didn't get it :) Feb 28 14:01:20 when I ahve the ipk what is the next I need to do? Feb 28 14:02:08 rwhitby: those numbers are pretty impressive. surprised that with that many people using preware though that more aren't patching. Feb 28 14:03:00 mjkjr|wirc: maybe the whole workflow from accessing the files, alter it, creating the patch is too difficult Feb 28 14:03:43 we need some easy scripts: or it would be already a big help if woqi would remember the pathes Feb 28 14:04:05 MetaView: I think he's talking about 160K people using Preware, but only 20K of those are installing patches Feb 28 14:04:15 ah, ok :) Feb 28 14:04:30 many are going for homebrew apps, mayxbe? Feb 28 14:04:59 I don't use many patches, basically, many of them aren't working in German lang Feb 28 14:05:20 yes, that's not surprising to me. 1 in 8 homebrew users downloading patches sounds right to me. Feb 28 14:06:00 rwhitby: back to duke: how do I add it under apps or unreleased? Feb 28 14:07:02 the whole duke3d dir in build/apps ? Feb 28 14:07:27 need really some step by step instructions :( Feb 28 14:08:29 that was what I meant, thank you for clarifying rwhitby. Feb 28 14:09:14 MetaView: you create unreleased/duke3/Makefile, just like apps/sdlquake/Makefile Feb 28 14:09:29 ok Feb 28 14:09:44 and then how to commit to git? Feb 28 14:11:51 MetaView: git add, git commit, git push. Feb 28 14:12:24 MetaView: you have three git repos checked out separately - /srv/preware/build, /srv/preware/cross-compile, and /srv/games/duk3d, right? Feb 28 14:13:23 MetaView: as long as you stay in the unreleased dir in /srv/preware/build, then all is fine. Feb 28 14:14:08 MetaView: once the packaging is confirmed, then we move it to apps, and then you have the ability to update new versions without any roadblocks or checks. Feb 28 14:25:56 srv/games/duke3d, well, I don't have it :) Feb 28 14:32:22 MetaView: but you just renamed and pushed a change to that repo, so you must have it somewhere? Feb 28 14:32:36 git doesn't care where you put it Feb 28 14:33:46 MetaView: I've gotta hit the sack now - work tomorrow. Feb 28 14:33:54 I develope in cross-compile and now make the packaging in build Feb 28 14:33:57 * rwhitby bbt - good night all. Feb 28 14:34:04 good night Feb 28 14:37:26 good morning here, good night over there, lol Feb 28 14:37:37 hehe Feb 28 14:37:55 git adding failed Feb 28 14:37:59 a pity Feb 28 14:48:56 To git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git Feb 28 14:48:56 ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast forward) Feb 28 14:48:56 error: failed to push some refs to 'git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git' Feb 28 15:00:53 we ever get multimod pulled? it literally causes the browser to not work. Feb 28 15:01:34 what was multimod again Feb 28 15:01:35 ? Feb 28 15:03:54 ? Feb 28 15:09:15 morning, or evening, depending on where on the planet you are :), I could use some kind help, please Feb 28 15:11:01 same for me .. hep with preware after 1.4 update Feb 28 15:11:46 DrBud, dont know if I can help with your issue, but what is it? Feb 28 15:12:09 well, palm pre freezes afte rpreware or luna start Feb 28 15:12:39 i ve taken out the feeds but then it gets stucked ltoo Feb 28 15:12:41 hmm I saw a few posted about that.. have you tried the obvious, remove battery, wait, restart? Feb 28 15:13:05 dBsooner: browser multimod breaks browser still Feb 28 15:13:11 3Yes I did, I m now reinstalling package manger, preware and luna Feb 28 15:13:13 let;s see Feb 28 15:13:16 ok Feb 28 15:13:35 yes multimod stops browser from launching websites Feb 28 15:13:44 dianehelen: you have two names Feb 28 15:14:04 yes I do zsoc ;) Feb 28 15:14:43 my issue is with 1.4 killing my username/passwd , so I can no longer get into a putty session Feb 28 15:14:58 dianehelen: I'm trying to figure out why no one has updated it yet.. there's like 12 maintainers of that patch :p I might because another one lol Feb 28 15:15:02 getting access denied Feb 28 15:15:15 my pre freezed so i did a normal restart, worked fine for about 2 seconds, froze again and then i had to do a battery pull.... it got stuck in a reboot loop so i'm now doctoring it :( Feb 28 15:15:20 dianehelen: didn't you connect before with a key? Feb 28 15:15:23 froze* Feb 28 15:15:36 zsoc_wirc sup Feb 28 15:15:38 no, never did Feb 28 15:15:56 just went old school with optware manual setup and user name password Feb 28 15:16:14 dianehelen: log in with usb cable and novacom to get root prompt Feb 28 15:16:17 dianehelen: odd. I know no other method of using openssh, so I can't really help troubleshoot. likely tho your user table got deleted Feb 28 15:16:25 I can do that snowdog Feb 28 15:16:34 dianehelen: then just do "adduser username" and set your password Feb 28 15:16:42 ok lemme try Feb 28 15:16:45 dianehelen: it's happened on ota before. try just an adduser from novacom Feb 28 15:17:02 lol ok, well you don't need me :p Feb 28 15:17:07 mobgod: what's up Feb 28 15:17:15 I DID try to just change ther root password but it did not help Feb 28 15:17:16 nada same old Feb 28 15:17:37 dianehelen: by default you can't log in as root in dropbear Feb 28 15:17:40 zsoc_wirc can i msg u for a quick sec ? Feb 28 15:17:47 mobgod: sure Feb 28 15:17:52 ok zs Feb 28 15:18:04 going to novacom to try,, brb Feb 28 15:18:20 dianehelen: i had the same problem. never happened before after an update. not sure why it happened here. Feb 28 15:18:28 gm all Feb 28 15:19:37 morn' Feb 28 15:20:10 grrr I think I really screwed soemthing up Feb 28 15:20:17 I cant get a sudo -i Feb 28 15:20:42 I am at a / prompt Feb 28 15:21:06 dianehelen: you should be root already in novacom Feb 28 15:21:26 I am Feb 28 15:21:42 but when I do adduser diane I get a cant do kinda error Feb 28 15:21:44 dianehelen: right, so you're already at a root shell Feb 28 15:21:51 yes via novacom Feb 28 15:21:58 via cable Feb 28 15:22:05 dianehelen: more specific error please? Feb 28 15:22:29 cant open etc/password Feb 28 15:22:42 passwd read open Feb 28 15:22:49 dianehelen: mount -o remount,rw / Feb 28 15:23:27 duhhh Im a moron ;) Feb 28 15:23:35 duke3d commited to unreleased Feb 28 15:23:39 I forgot I was at root, and did not need sudo Feb 28 15:23:43 dianehelen: not at all :) Feb 28 15:23:56 I was going to do the remount, Feb 28 15:24:01 MetaView: it builds in testing feed? excellent Feb 28 15:24:17 dianehelen: sudo is an invention of crazy ubuntu devs Feb 28 15:24:30 _really_ crazy Feb 28 15:24:31 I could build in apps a ipk which worked on my Pre Feb 28 15:24:35 hahaha oh? is that right? oook.. those crazy wabbits! Feb 28 15:24:43 cant reinstall package manager ... Feb 28 15:24:47 what a crap Feb 28 15:24:55 ok, so I added the user, and assigned pw, that shold let me back in via putty Feb 28 15:24:57 ? Feb 28 15:24:58 let me see Feb 28 15:25:05 DrBud: do you have novacom access Feb 28 15:25:23 i m ii m in german, no novacom needed i guess Feb 28 15:25:24 dianehelen: as long as the rest of your putty settings didn't get touched Feb 28 15:25:39 DrBud: ... I mean access to a shell or terminal Feb 28 15:26:00 i ll try this next, but the problem seems to be on the palm Feb 28 15:26:06 it freezes again Feb 28 15:26:13 that is unlikely Feb 28 15:26:37 well i get the error message that too many cards are open Feb 28 15:26:56 YAY!!!! zsoc!! I love you :), I do know this stuff, but sometimes my advanced age, makes me have selective memory loss.. ;) Feb 28 15:27:15 my linix knowldege is not vast, but enough to get me around to do what I need Feb 28 15:27:26 but when little things seem to leak from my brain, its really annoying.. Feb 28 15:27:30 linux Feb 28 15:27:32 dianehelen: actually, I think ladies/moms that use linux are pretty much the coolest Feb 28 15:27:41 cant even type now Feb 28 15:28:01 hehe well I guess Im a pretty cool almost 60 year old.. GOD thats frightening Feb 28 15:28:40 definitely the coolest lol Feb 28 15:28:53 hey zsoc_wirc any reason preware wants to keep updating package manger service ? Feb 28 15:29:10 Im back in where I feel I have some control, file system hehe Feb 28 15:29:11 mobgod: it's not up to date? Feb 28 15:29:21 37 Feb 28 15:29:31 keeps wanting to do the sameone Feb 28 15:30:21 mobgod: try running the preware bootstrap? Feb 28 15:30:43 ok! the phone is dead now Feb 28 15:30:56 holy shit Feb 28 15:31:06 thanks again zsoc.. of off to go see what else I can break ;) Feb 28 15:31:08 byee Feb 28 15:31:39 mobgod: mine did that yesterday, I just removed it and reinstalled with a luna restart which seemed to fix it for me Feb 28 15:32:44 I thought it was weird since I knew it was already up to date Feb 28 15:33:44 mjkjr|wirc so ur telling me to remove it Feb 28 15:34:23 zsoc_wirc do u think remove preware and reinstall ? Feb 28 15:34:42 mobgod: I'm not telling you to do anything, it just worked for me ;-) Feb 28 15:35:07 mobgod: run the preware bootstrap Feb 28 15:36:04 o god enox. time for me to go Feb 28 15:36:30 7;] Feb 28 15:36:40 zsoc_wirc, did u heard? 1.4 is out :p Feb 28 15:36:53 en0x: yes thanks Feb 28 15:37:01 hehe Feb 28 15:38:19 im back :), so zsoc, how DO I gain root access via my putty session now. I used to be able to with sudo su- now it says not found..??? Feb 28 15:38:41 make sure your path is setup correctly ? Feb 28 15:39:23 I am at / Feb 28 15:43:35 * zonyl just started using Ares and was pleasently surprised how well it works. Feb 28 15:46:10 Feb 28 15:49:40 moki guys Feb 28 15:49:52 oppsss Feb 28 15:49:55 the only thing left is the doctor Feb 28 15:50:13 can anyone help be to safe all my wlan pwd's ? Feb 28 15:50:30 installed 1.4 last night and now my settings are not showing up but preware still shows patches and apps installed? Feb 28 15:51:26 please help... Feb 28 15:51:47 birdie, use webos quick install, I had the same issue Feb 28 15:51:53 manually update your feeds, unless you can provide more info Feb 28 15:52:31 thanks BoomerET, will try that now Feb 28 15:52:57 birdie0267: after you manually update feeds the updates will be available in preware Feb 28 15:53:38 seems i tried to manually update feeds last night but will try again, thanks Feb 28 15:53:43 dianehelen: you can probably just su Feb 28 15:53:55 ok lemme try that Feb 28 15:54:16 nope says, must be suid to do that Feb 28 15:54:27 feeds have been hammered lately Feb 28 15:55:00 I am in a putty session logged in with my user name I set up Feb 28 15:55:07 but I cant get to switch to root Feb 28 15:55:27 sudo su Feb 28 15:55:42 ya thats what I have always done, but now it says: Feb 28 15:55:54 -sh sudo not found Feb 28 15:56:14 dianehelen: somehow your opt stuff got all touched Feb 28 15:56:32 ya apparatnly Feb 28 15:56:48 birdie0267: probably because of the high traffic on the servers, should be better now though Feb 28 15:57:03 I DID try to manually re do the optware, before coming here, but it did not seem to go the way it used to.. it never seemed to do all the file getting..? Feb 28 15:57:21 any idea how I can fix that? Feb 28 15:58:04 dianehelen: reinstall sudo? Feb 28 15:58:11 how do I do that? Feb 28 15:58:24 dBsooner ? Feb 28 15:59:51 haven't seen him around yet today Feb 28 16:01:18 dianehelen: hm.. probablu ipkg-opt (assuming that's still valid) Feb 28 16:01:31 dianehelen: actually, I think it's in the optware feed in preware Feb 28 16:01:31 hi! I've lost some patches as 4x4 icons with the webos 1.4 upgrade, can I solve this brokes? It's recommended to do a blank installation? I've searched teh webosdoctor 1.4 (movistar) and I can't find it in the official webpage, only the 1.3.5.2 Feb 28 16:02:11 I did install the optware from preware, but it did not seem to do anything, hmmm but that was before I set up the new user name... Feb 28 16:02:16 alex___: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 28 16:02:32 wonder if I re install it now,. would it keep the user name/pw i set up? Feb 28 16:02:46 dianehelen: sure Feb 28 16:03:14 ok loading up preware Feb 28 16:03:26 so just install optware fro there? thats what you are talking about? Feb 28 16:03:30 zsoc_wirc: I see it, but it is the same image at the official page? is it recommended to do a blank installation? Feb 28 16:03:47 alex___: use the link from that page Feb 28 16:04:03 dianehelen: no there should be a Sudo package Feb 28 16:04:17 oh? just by itself? Feb 28 16:04:36 preware loading.. takes a while .. Feb 28 16:04:40 ... yes Feb 28 16:05:05 so dont install optware? just look for sudo package? Feb 28 16:05:58 ... yes Feb 28 16:05:58 ok preware up Feb 28 16:06:09 so where woudl I look? under optware? Feb 28 16:06:29 nothing that just says sudo Feb 28 16:06:34 what would it be part of? Feb 28 16:07:27 it would just say sudo Feb 28 16:07:45 :( nope, nothing in Optware says sudo Feb 28 16:08:33 wouldt be optware bootstrap, would it? Feb 28 16:08:34 odd you're right Feb 28 16:08:35 hmmm Feb 28 16:08:45 honestly I don't know Feb 28 16:09:11 *sigh* oh well , I appreciate your trying.. Feb 28 16:09:48 think if I just installed optware it would bring it with it? Feb 28 16:11:21 has anyone figured out how to get the MHS working on Sprint Feb 28 16:15:00 dianehelen: you could install openssh and paired keys as suggested :) Feb 28 16:15:34 I guess I could.. hmmm I just installed optware bootstrap and I "think" I just got back my access.. tho it did a werd thig Feb 28 16:15:38 wierd thing Feb 28 16:16:08 s/wierd/weird/ Feb 28 16:16:12 first time after installing, logged in, with my username/pw Feb 28 16:16:51 did sudo su- and it gave me some message about make sure I know what Im douing.. bla bla bla.. got passed, the I for Feb 28 16:16:58 forget what I did Feb 28 16:17:11 the closed putty, went back in, tried same steps, got sudo not found Feb 28 16:17:28 then did just su and I now seem to be at root@palm-webos0device Feb 28 16:17:46 and when I do whoami I get root Feb 28 16:18:29 hahhaha Feb 28 16:18:34 ok then. Feb 28 16:19:02 well as long as it works Feb 28 16:19:10 and I CAN actually rm a file.. Feb 28 16:19:36 if you're into that sort of thing Feb 28 16:19:44 heck you could rm every file Feb 28 16:19:58 huh, no clue whats going on, but i do suspect it was my optware that got affected, and re installing it, fixed that part of it? sorta Feb 28 16:20:15 ya I just rm'd an image I know I dont need in my media/internal Feb 28 16:20:51 so now to see if my WinSCP stil works... ;) Feb 28 16:28:10 ok seems to be all good now, just different.. before I had to do like a double log in on a putty session first with my user name pw, the sudo -su to log in as root Feb 28 16:28:27 now I just have to log in with my username/pw then sudo -i to get right to root Feb 28 16:38:40 trim81: so you still on 1.3.5.1? Feb 28 16:38:49 hey there Feb 28 16:38:56 ok guess Im good for now.. thanks again zsoc.. Feb 28 16:39:03 yes doctored and staying put on 1.3.5 Feb 28 16:39:14 why what's up Feb 28 16:41:23 trim81: I was just curious if you tried to doctor to 1.4 yet to see if that was better for you than OTA to 1.4? Feb 28 16:41:52 yeah, I did...and I'm sure if I mess with it more, it will be alrigt Feb 28 16:42:03 but curious: have you tried the 800 patch? Feb 28 16:42:11 omfg its FAST Feb 28 16:42:36 and productivity is more important that video recording for me Feb 28 16:42:39 would anyone know why Preware won't remove some patches saying that it can't find the files for the patches? Feb 28 16:42:49 as soon as flash gets updated, I will update Feb 28 16:42:55 no but I've heard, i was honestly to scared ha ha. I might give it a shot when it will work with 1.4 though Feb 28 16:43:12 it will not Feb 28 16:43:24 ever!? Feb 28 16:43:30 creators cannot get the kernel files until palm releases the sdk Feb 28 16:43:36 is the 800mhz patch for pre plus only or any pre ? Feb 28 16:43:39 so now, its a steadstill Feb 28 16:43:50 rposa: any pre Feb 28 16:43:56 (read the post by unipsycho) Feb 28 16:44:00 compaible with 1.4? Feb 28 16:44:04 he cannot get the new 1.4 kernal Feb 28 16:44:04 k Feb 28 16:44:12 to modify Feb 28 16:44:18 its in the forum thread Feb 28 16:44:23 second to last page Feb 28 16:44:29 well i meant I will just wait until then Feb 28 16:44:36 o ok, yeah Feb 28 16:44:43 he's a smart dude Feb 28 16:44:49 I'm sure he will get it Feb 28 16:45:11 how are you likeing 1.4? Feb 28 16:45:26 it's amazing the things that people are bringing to the table to enhance the webos experience Feb 28 16:45:32 I'm hacking around to see if I can get mobile hotspot on the pre .. :) Feb 28 16:45:36 hi all, does the software keyboard work with 1.4 Feb 28 16:45:36 on 1.4 Feb 28 16:46:02 it's ... "there" .. but giving me messages about not having a data sharing plan Feb 28 16:46:12 trim81: so far I'm actually liking it on both phones, i feel more improvement on my pixi than pre though Feb 28 16:46:13 hrmphh! Feb 28 16:46:49 rposa mytether is working Feb 28 16:46:54 but have to pay $15 bucks Feb 28 16:47:14 *donate $15, lol Feb 28 16:47:16 I donated, so I read the forum that it IS working for 1.4 with a workaround UP forwarding Feb 28 16:47:39 IP forwarding Feb 28 16:49:47 trim - I wanna use the Palm version :) Feb 28 16:52:06 yeah, I like the palm version more too Feb 28 16:52:54 I have preware and had 2 patches installed (unhide dev mode icon, and roam only patch) but the AUPT system said I don't need to run emergency patch remover. I upgraded to 1.4 and nwo it's semi-bricked Feb 28 16:53:19 the "UP" button to show me all my apps doesn't work, and swipe-up to card-view the current app also doesn't work Feb 28 16:53:47 hmm, it seems to work fine now after a reboot Feb 28 16:54:24 synackfin: Glad to be of assistance. :) Sorry, couldn't resist. Feb 28 16:55:34 reboot seems to "fix" a lot of those "problems" people run into, lol. Feb 28 16:56:24 I just wish it were a little less microsofty in that respect and more linuxy. Being able to fix stuff without rebooting helps figure out what's going on too :) Feb 28 16:58:19 so users on the board is reporting better battery life in 1.4 Feb 28 16:58:23 what do you guys think Feb 28 16:58:50 Too early for me to tell, but I had my wireless off in 1.3.5.1 so I didn't think the battery life sucked.... Feb 28 16:59:03 It sucked in 1.3.5.1 when my Wireless was always on Feb 28 16:59:17 and in 1.4 i set my wireless to sleep when the phone does, so we'll see. Feb 28 16:59:46 I didn't know 1.4 have that feature...disable wifi on idle? Feb 28 17:00:53 In your Wifi app (you know, click the wifi app at top, go to prefs) Feb 28 17:00:59 then in the app, click prefs upper left Feb 28 17:01:04 "sleep settings" Feb 28 17:01:27 "When phone sleeps" - Tiurn Wifi off or Keep Wifi On Feb 28 17:02:05 dam that's a new feature Feb 28 17:02:15 I'm on 1.3.5 can't see.but sounds cool Feb 28 17:02:27 before 1.3.5 that's how it was Feb 28 17:02:35 wifi sleep on screen off Feb 28 17:03:17 morning Feb 28 17:03:34 egaudet-wirc: morning Feb 28 17:04:31 Good morning Feb 28 17:09:11 destinal-sleep: for the love of god, fix terminal Feb 28 17:12:57 'lo Feb 28 17:14:03 nt4cats: is 'lo short for hello? Feb 28 17:14:15 mjkjr: aye Feb 28 17:22:09 How do you remove a theme in Preware? Feb 28 17:26:31 gimpy530: look under installed packages Feb 28 17:26:53 These notes say you can set notification sounds now Feb 28 17:26:56 I must be crazy Feb 28 17:27:47 mjkjr: Already tried that, it does not list any themes Feb 28 17:28:31 chrisa: the options are buried in that apps preferences rather than the sounds and ringtones app Feb 28 17:29:01 "that app" ? Feb 28 17:29:04 gimpy530: was this theme removed prior to updating to 1.4? or have you updated yet Feb 28 17:29:21 ah in messenging Feb 28 17:29:40 mjkjr: I have not updated yet, and I don't plan to do it anytime soon....every update I've ever installed broke too much stuff Feb 28 17:29:44 chrisa: in messaging, in email, in calendar, uner prefs Feb 28 17:30:03 gimpy530: do you have webos QI, you could try removing from there Feb 28 17:30:26 mjkjr: It's rebooting again now, I'll try that after it starts back up Feb 28 17:31:49 Well, I guess I'm not smart enough to figure it out. Feb 28 17:31:56 gimpy530: i don't mean this bad at all, but generally if you update and something breaks it's user error. Just get your theme removed and run EFV first. Feb 28 17:32:28 rposa: what are you trying to figure out? Feb 28 17:33:11 mjkjr: I downloaded the VZW doctor. Extracted the IPK for mobilehotspot from it and installed it on my Pre. The app starts / runs but says I do not have tethering as a service, and quits. Feb 28 17:33:19 Not sure where it's pulling that info from, but ... Feb 28 17:33:28 it is ;) Feb 28 17:35:09 o well .. spent too much time on it for now. gotta go do family stuff. Feb 28 17:35:14 rposa: hexedit your mobilehotspotd and s/Sprint/sprint/ Feb 28 17:35:15 rposa: why are you extracting it from that? What version of MHS are you trying to use? last I knew nothing after 1.0.3 would work for sprint Feb 28 17:35:16 oh whoops Feb 28 17:35:25 he just missed it Feb 28 17:35:53 bpadalino: oh well, patience is a virtue Feb 28 17:35:58 it happens Feb 28 17:36:13 lol Feb 28 17:36:16 mjkjr: How are updates user error? I've doctored a phone before then right after that updated, and it caused issues...no homebrew at all, just a "doctor then a Palm update.....that's not user error Feb 28 17:37:43 gimpy530: I'd almost be willing to put money on it. Bring me your phone, let me doctor it, and update it for you. :-) Feb 28 17:39:07 mjkjr: I'm not arguing that updates never work, I'm saying that updates are not user error Feb 28 17:39:16 gimpy530: were you able to get the theme removed with webos qi yet? Feb 28 17:39:39 mjkjr: No it froze while rebooting (again) and it's almost started now Feb 28 17:39:42 has anyone had to replace their pre more than 4 times since it was released in june? Feb 28 17:40:24 tictac: lol that's not normal Feb 28 17:41:04 i'm on my original pre and pixi still, lucky i guess Feb 28 17:41:28 tictac: I'm still running the original hardware Feb 28 17:42:44 urgh, last night someone has an extremely vague complaint about the "will will not load up", unfortunately, I might know what he's talking about from the problem side, as I'm having a "Web" browser problem, too: Feb 28 17:43:01 or rather "web will nto load up" was his vague statement Feb 28 17:43:14 for me, when I start "Web", my list of bookmarks shows Feb 28 17:43:28 I've heard the browser multi mod is broken in 1.4 Feb 28 17:43:35 im having to replace my pre for the 5th time due to hardware issues. Feb 28 17:43:40 but trying to select any of them results in a flash of the screen but no actions otherwise, nothing loading/etc Feb 28 17:43:46 ah Feb 28 17:43:55 lemme check if I have that one installed Feb 28 17:45:08 pckizer: if you have multi mod remove it and all should be good. it's a repeat offender. Feb 28 17:45:44 still awaiting feed downloads to check the list Feb 28 17:46:32 I had Preware loaded and running but tried to bring up terminal to look at something on-device and it rebooted on me Feb 28 17:47:33 I think that's a bug with terminal at the moment Feb 28 17:47:55 yeah, figured... Feb 28 17:48:06 I took that one to be in the "Doctor, it hurts when I ..." Feb 28 17:49:25 yes terminal should be fixed in a couple days according to @webosinternals twitter Feb 28 17:49:59 success (with Web), many thanks for the multi-mod patch pointer Feb 28 17:50:42 test Feb 28 17:51:05 pckizer: glad that worked for you Feb 28 17:53:23 mjkjr: Um...something went wrong with the theme uninstall, most of the theme is gone but there are little bits of it here and there Feb 28 17:53:57 mjkjr: but....I kind of like it actually, it's mostly the default Palm theme with bits of blue, it's nice Feb 28 17:55:22 gimpy530: ewww... I had that happen before the very first time I installed a theme some got stuck, i honestly can't remember exactly what I ended up doing as it was like 6 months ago, i don't use themes anymore because you can almost modify everything yourself w/o one Feb 28 18:04:00 anyone here working on getting alsa to stop bugging? Feb 28 18:05:01 I have problems with my novacom installation, Ir worked to 1.3.5.1, but I think that after the upgrade to 1.4 I can't use novacom to access to my phone (I'm in Ubuntu 9.10) Feb 28 18:10:42 Are there still server problem with the downloading of GNUpatch and lsdiff? Feb 28 18:17:53 alex__: I can't say for sure, but moving from 1.3.5.1 -> 1.4 was just fine for me with Novacom, so I suspect that something change on the Ubuntu side of things. Feb 28 18:18:12 alex__: you might try starting up novacomd in non-daemon mode and see if you get any error messages ... Feb 28 18:18:48 nt4cats: yes, but I can't see any log when i load/unload my pre to the usb prot Feb 28 18:18:51 port* Feb 28 18:19:43 alex__: did you try plugging it in to a different port on your computer? I know that sounds silly, but it looks different to the USB drivers and you may get different behavior Feb 28 18:20:20 nt4cats: I test with other port.. but I will go to test in the third port Feb 28 18:20:26 alex__: a reboot of both your pre and the computer may also be helpful Feb 28 18:20:58 alex__: does the pre know that it is plugged in? Does it ask you if you want to charge only or go into USB mode? Feb 28 18:21:46 s/USB mode/USB Drive mode/ Feb 28 18:21:46 nt4cats meant: alex__: does the pre know that it is plugged in? Does it ask you if you want to charge only or go into USB Drive mode? Feb 28 18:22:24 nt4cats: yes, it ask me Feb 28 18:26:26 it's very strange because I did a wipe to install 1.4 from webosdoctor and it works without problem, but now (I didn't reboot or something similar) I can't use novacom to access my device Feb 28 18:27:53 alex__: it sounds to me like your Ubuntu USB stack is confused. Have you power-cycled your Ubuntu box (I know that's brute-forceish, but it is the easiest way to make sure things are reset)? Feb 28 18:28:27 alex__: if not I'd recommend you do a clean shutdown of your Ubuntu box (halt / power off), leave it off for 10-15 seconds, power it on, and try again. Feb 28 18:29:10 nt4cats: I can't reboot my machine now, I will test it tomorrow... now I'm reseting the pre Feb 28 18:29:20 rebooting* Feb 28 18:29:21 ... and then the 1st thing I'd try is mounting my Pre in USB disk mode -- that should confirm that the computer and the Pre are talking USB-wise Feb 28 18:30:48 it works as USB drive Feb 28 18:30:51 alex__: and the one other obvious thing I forgot to mention, is that you should double-check that your pre is in Developer mode Feb 28 18:31:26 oh shit! Feb 28 18:31:29 alex__: it is always good to check the obvious things first :) Feb 28 18:31:40 nt4cats: I made a wipe, so it's restart the develop mode Feb 28 18:31:46 fuck shit Feb 28 18:32:39 ... I'm assuming that "fuck shit" is the same as "thanks for your help" wherever you're from, so you're welcome. Feb 28 18:33:09 LOL Feb 28 18:34:01 nt4cats: I'm testing rebooting now, but I think thas this must be the problem Feb 28 18:34:07 lot of thanks... grrr Feb 28 18:34:27 the most stupid thing that it could be Feb 28 18:34:48 it works now :( sorry for waste ur time Feb 28 18:35:10 alex__: as engineering types we always (and I say "we" because I'm in the group too) look for complicated explanations for things, when all that is missing is we forgot to plug the thing in Feb 28 18:35:35 alex__: no worries, maybe next time I'll have forgotten something basic and you can help me out Feb 28 18:35:50 (we all do it) Feb 28 18:37:28 anyway, lot of thanks :) Feb 28 18:43:51 I'm still having a problem installing GNUpatch and lsdiff on my phone? Little help, please? Feb 28 18:49:40 lopezpm: what problem are you having? Feb 28 18:51:02 O_O Feb 28 18:58:01 did anyone ever knock out a sure fire fix to those phantom app updates Feb 28 18:58:49 I got disconnected Feb 28 19:00:04 I anyway, I'm having a problem with GNUpatch and lsdiff Feb 28 19:00:29 when I run webosqi it asks me to installthem and I say yes, problem is they never install Feb 28 19:00:48 I can see device managemnt, it connects fine Feb 28 19:00:59 but I can't get into the tweaks part Feb 28 19:01:22 hrm Feb 28 19:01:28 have you tried just applying a patch via preware? Feb 28 19:01:42 hey just a ? what is going on with flash ? Feb 28 19:02:13 DrFunk, functionality has been built into 1.4, at some point in time in the (possibly) near future, itll show up as an app in the app catalog? Feb 28 19:02:43 thanks Feb 28 19:03:44 jep Feb 28 19:03:54 although most recent word is, its coming later than sooner, so meh :> Feb 28 19:11:25 This has happened to me twice this morning: I had multiple cards open in the background while I was using Preware. After I updated my patches (or installed Terminus), I went to card view and all the other cards were gone. Why is Preware causing all my backgrounded apps to close? Feb 28 19:16:51 Slow morning I guess Feb 28 19:17:01 So no one has experienced this? Feb 28 19:17:11 nope Feb 28 19:20:07 uh Feb 28 19:20:52 could be a luna restart after a patch applied or something Feb 28 19:20:59 but... preware should close too i think O_o Feb 28 19:28:00 My phone didn't luna restart though Feb 28 19:28:30 Could Preware have a memory leak that's causing everything else to close? Feb 28 19:39:26 gollyzila, how dare you speak of Preware that way :P Feb 28 19:41:28 Is anyone working on a patch to restore the old vibration alert behavior? Feb 28 19:41:40 ~seen JayCanuck Feb 28 19:41:42 jaycanuck <~chatzilla@S010600111186b639.wp.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 19h 37m 32s ago, saying: 'hi all'. Feb 28 19:43:36 dBsooner: Nrbelex jacques : have any of you guys been having the same Preware problem I've been experiencing? Feb 28 19:43:52 gollyzila, what's that? Feb 28 19:44:12 dBsooner, what do the "++" in front of the names of patches in the list of "current patches" mean? Feb 28 19:44:32 ? Feb 28 19:44:42 http://twitpic.com/15vso5 Feb 28 19:44:46 :P bbiab Feb 28 19:45:36 dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - the list on the left, what do the ++s mean? Feb 28 19:45:54 When I was updated patches (1st time) and downloading Terminus (2nd time), all the other cards that were in the background closed except Preware Feb 28 19:46:24 gollyzila, I believe that happened to me when installing a patch once Feb 28 19:46:45 Atleast I'm not the only one. Feb 28 19:47:08 Nrbelex: thats really old Feb 28 19:47:23 Nrbelex: http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse Feb 28 19:47:27 dBsooner, ah, I see Feb 28 19:47:41 gollyzila: I haven't seen that (yet) Feb 28 19:48:11 dBsooner: I have a suggestion for the patches Feb 28 19:48:17 eh? Feb 28 19:48:23 Language Specific? Feb 28 19:48:32 kinda stinks m.nytimes.com won't scroll in 1.4 .. seems like a strange thing going on :( Feb 28 19:48:34 Only way to do that now is to submit a new language as new. Feb 28 19:48:36 I'm from Germany and a lot of patches aren't working in other langs than English Feb 28 19:48:56 Because you require the de_du or whatever Feb 28 19:48:59 what about some checkboxes where the author can mark if the patch runs with which language Feb 28 19:49:15 and a way for contributers from other languages to add there own lang support Feb 28 19:49:17 Because it's easier to just title it that way. Feb 28 19:49:43 Like my latest.. "Call Duration in Call Log German" Feb 28 19:49:44 no, I don't want to create another xyz in device menu for Germans patch Feb 28 19:49:49 and just submit it modifying the lang files Feb 28 19:49:58 it's stupid to have the same patch several times Feb 28 19:50:06 there is no way around it Feb 28 19:50:13 because not everyone has the german language files Feb 28 19:50:25 en_us doesn't have any language files except en_us Feb 28 19:50:34 oh oh Feb 28 19:50:37 so if I tried to install a german patch on an en_us it would fail Feb 28 19:50:44 then on EFIGS and one en_us version Feb 28 19:50:59 there is no way for a patch to be compatible with En_Us AND another language. Feb 28 19:51:17 but with en-en and enother language Feb 28 19:51:21 e/a Feb 28 19:51:28 right.. Feb 28 19:51:33 it could be "english" and "world" Feb 28 19:51:45 yes Feb 28 19:51:47 but that would mean a patch creator would have to edit ALL langauge files Feb 28 19:51:50 for world Feb 28 19:52:01 or it would be classified wrong Feb 28 19:52:02 in world he specify which lang he did Feb 28 19:52:12 I'll talk it over with egaudet. Feb 28 19:52:15 and some other makes the next lang Feb 28 19:52:28 of course it's hard to edit the lang you don#t speak Feb 28 19:52:30 It's something to consider. Feb 28 19:52:40 translate.google.com Feb 28 19:52:42 not really. :) Feb 28 19:52:46 :) Feb 28 19:53:13 is not about the words, more about testing and stuff, testing in 5 languages is quite some work... Feb 28 19:54:01 So is anyone else really annoyed that the new vibration alert is now the same very short vibration as E-mail? Feb 28 19:58:23 so all non-US webos has all supported language files? Feb 28 19:59:37 yes, efigs Feb 28 20:02:55 Nrbelex: I'm probably going to be annoyed Feb 28 20:03:28 jacques: yeah... there is US/english and then World Release (WR) Feb 28 20:04:12 I would gladly donate a paltry sum as a bounty to whoever writes a patch restoring the old vibration alerts... Feb 28 20:05:35 dBsooner: ah thanks Feb 28 20:06:15 man I wish I could figure out how to case com.palm.phone to reload when a phone setting is changed Feb 28 20:06:18 force luna to reload Feb 28 20:06:28 or force luna to reload phone app Feb 28 20:07:47 Has anyone seen a definitive list of how the LED notification should act under various scenarios? Feb 28 20:12:03 heya Feb 28 20:12:39 I would donate to whoever makes brightness unlinked a phone pref instead of a background app Feb 28 20:14:00 are there any known problems with 1.4 and preware (before i install it) Feb 28 20:14:17 see precentral =) Feb 28 20:15:18 frontpage or forums? Feb 28 20:24:01 ~seen azakus Feb 28 20:24:04 azakus is currently on #webos-internals (2d 1h 55s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 1d 2h 34m 9s, last said: 'gerr, no new devkit for 1.4 though'. Feb 28 20:24:38 Anybody watching the game? Feb 28 20:24:47 Listening Feb 28 20:25:43 jhojho: how much :D Feb 28 20:26:19 azakus, love JSTop. Any chance you'll update it so it looks right in 1.4? Feb 28 20:31:48 MetaView: I'll give $5 for a vibrate fix. That should buy, what 15 minutes worth of work, haha. :P Feb 28 20:32:06 Nrbelex: hehe :) Feb 28 20:34:14 im i the only one victom to the huge memory leak with preware in 1.4 Feb 28 20:38:14 how do you know there is a memleak? Feb 28 20:38:31 i start up preware Feb 28 20:38:37 and my phone messed up, cant do anything. Feb 28 20:38:43 cant even hold down the power button Feb 28 20:38:50 instead of the dialog coming up to power off Feb 28 20:38:52 says memory critical Feb 28 20:38:56 have to take battery out.. Feb 28 20:38:58 I'm looking at it Feb 28 20:39:19 nothing really changed in the api, but the css broke Feb 28 20:39:20 :( Feb 28 20:41:06 ive decided just to doctor.. Feb 28 20:44:56 Decimate: have you read this thread? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/226376-problem-preware-app.html Feb 28 20:49:04 jacques: wow, thanks. ill have to check that folder. Feb 28 20:50:05 my pre wont even boot :/ Feb 28 20:50:12 been on the flowing palm logo for 5+ minutes Feb 28 20:55:48 huh Feb 28 20:56:02 my phone keeps rebooting when the autogc happens the 2nd time Feb 28 20:56:13 turning that off for now Feb 28 20:57:01 well, since i dont have any real access to the filesystem Feb 28 20:57:04 and my phone wont boot Feb 28 20:57:15 im stuck deleting the whoel /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists with WOSQI Feb 28 20:57:31 and the file is supposed to be 2+ gigs Feb 28 20:57:37 so how long do you think it'd take to delete that? Feb 28 20:58:36 can anyone with a pre give me a list of all the files they have in Feb 28 20:58:47 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists Feb 28 20:59:13 so i can delete mine invidually Feb 28 20:59:23 and see if its actually working Feb 28 20:59:38 OMG, nvm, got my doctor to work :) Feb 28 20:59:39 YES Feb 28 21:00:45 hmm Feb 28 21:04:01 Hello. Can someone tell me if it is possible to catch a "shake" event in an SDL application? Maybe a shake emulates something which SDL knows or is it needed to use a proprietary Palm API for it? If yes, is this API available in the webOS Internals PDK? Feb 28 21:04:13 bizarre Feb 28 21:04:18 can't seem to get the css to work Feb 28 21:05:04 My pre just luna restarted after I unlocked it. I've seen many people have this problem Feb 28 21:10:48 yeah Feb 28 21:12:41 kayahr: the sdl does have access to the accelerometer through the joystick, although wrapping that into a single "shake" event has not been done afaik. Feb 28 21:26:57 Has anyone's pre luna restarted after unlocking? Feb 28 21:33:04 dtzWill: Thanks for the info. I thought a shake would have been a nice event to open the virtual keyboard in scummvm. I think I'm using a two-finger-tap instead. Easier to program. Feb 28 21:35:08 kayahr: agreed that sounds a)easier and b)more useful. but then again i never really liked using accelerometer for input that wasn't natural (balancing games, etc), so I'm a bit biased. seems like a gimmick too often :/ Feb 28 21:36:01 shaking takes quite some force Feb 28 21:37:01 kayahr: some kind of zooming would be nice, or does SCUMM support selection of text by cursor keys/enter eky? Feb 28 21:37:19 selecting the correct answer in Monkey island is almost impossible for me Feb 28 21:41:55 MetaView: I don't think ScummVM supports zooming. And I'm not going into the code THAT deep to implement it myself. But I think there were some shortcuts for the text answers (Maybe by typing the numbers 1-5), but I'm not sure. Feb 28 21:43:45 if possible, it would be great Feb 28 21:43:51 numbers would be fine, yes Feb 28 21:49:20 At least in monkey island 2 it works with number input. So you have three options: Try to hit it with the finger, use the hardware keyboard (Orange key + number key) or use the virtual keyboard. Feb 28 21:49:27 anybody know what this warning means: "make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete."??? Feb 28 21:49:39 is "clock skew" serious business?? Feb 28 22:00:48 hi guys is terminal app working on 1.4 Feb 28 22:02:33 grndslm: it means that the access date on some built files is in the future. you should make clean && make to be safe. Feb 28 22:02:33 no, launching terminal causes luna to crash Feb 28 22:04:12 and the usb pass through by ebags..will it work on 1.4? Feb 28 22:05:37 Tman: right... but i've make clobbered like 3 times now... and it's still giving that warning Feb 28 22:05:47 i'm using the meta-doctor now Feb 28 22:06:54 make distclean then? is your system clock being whack? :p Feb 28 22:07:03 it could be source files too I suppose Feb 28 22:07:04 hmm... actually, it prolly has to do with me building it from within virtualbox and not setting the actual time in there Feb 28 22:07:11 :-} Feb 28 22:07:13 yeah that would make sense Feb 28 22:15:34 so will terminal be a short fix or long fix? Feb 28 22:26:32 trim81 left before he got his answer... Feb 28 22:26:36 clearly he doesn't know how irc works Feb 28 22:27:12 Clearly he has no patience. Feb 28 22:49:18 Has anyone else experience no GPS or picture MMS when restoring the palmdatabase file? Feb 28 22:49:46 can anyone help me with repackaging webOS doctor , i have jdk installed but can't get the command to work Feb 28 22:55:40 diov6: Windows or Linux? Feb 28 22:56:46 gimpy530 i tried in windows but I got either so i could do it Feb 28 22:57:19 in linux too Feb 28 22:59:17 diov6: How are you running the java command? It should be: java -jar filename.jar Feb 28 23:00:30 i was doing jar -cf webosdoctor C:\path-to-folder but ill try that Feb 28 23:00:41 diov6: If that does not work, make sure you install the JRE, not just the JDK Feb 28 23:02:43 thanks i had jdk not jre so ill give it a shot Feb 28 23:09:31 gimpy530 it didnt seem to work, to be clear I'm trying to repackage an extracted webos doctor (a folder) to a jar file Feb 28 23:09:43 and so it can run again Feb 28 23:10:31 diov6: Oh I misread then, too used to people not being able to run it. Not sure then, but that command you put up does look correct. Feb 28 23:10:35 Has anyone figured out how the LED blink for notifications is supposed to work? When should there be one slow blink, and when should there be two rapid blinks? Feb 28 23:10:54 hallelujah, my hard drive lives again Feb 28 23:13:39 Anyone having issues with SMS texts being received several hours late? I've had this happen twice in the past 2 days on Sprint Pre running 1.4. Feb 28 23:14:24 not me ... texts are instantaneous Feb 28 23:14:42 the_snowdog: I'm good with texts right now. Feb 28 23:15:31 I'll see how things go during the week. I've been mostly at home all weekend. Although I've never had connectivity issues at home before. Feb 28 23:30:44 hey, I found the problem causing the luna restart on wakeup Feb 28 23:30:49 morning Feb 28 23:30:53 luna does an unalinged read from memory Feb 28 23:30:58 azakus: what is it? Feb 28 23:31:15 info for fault_address @ 0x1530173e: Feb 28 23:31:16 address 0x1530173e is NOT aligned Feb 28 23:31:16 info for fault_address @ 0x1530173e: END Feb 28 23:31:19 azakus: so it's not app-specific, but a generic luna problem? Feb 28 23:31:21 yep Feb 28 23:31:27 at least as far as I can tell Feb 28 23:31:27 lol Feb 28 23:31:34 /var/log/lunasysmgr.log Feb 28 23:31:46 Anyone else seeing the terminal crashing luna? Feb 28 23:31:50 I'll post the full dump in a pastee Feb 28 23:31:52 sdodson: known issue... Feb 28 23:32:00 Lumiere: cool, thanks Feb 28 23:32:05 sdodson: destinal-sleep was working on it Feb 28 23:33:48 rwhitby: https://pastee.org/qsbaa Feb 28 23:33:50 ok when i try to doctor my phone, i put it in recovery mode, it gets to 4% and then disconnects itself from my pc Feb 28 23:36:20 Nrbelex: I am following your post on the forums. I just posted my test at home. These notifications are making no sense at all. What the hell were the guys at Palm thinking when they programmed this. Feb 28 23:37:15 the_snowdog: They must have been drunk. The mods on the official Palm forums can't figure it out either 'but the important thing is that there are visual notifications'... ummm :facepalm Feb 28 23:37:26 and it's not even true, sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't Feb 28 23:37:53 The funny part is, THEY had working code commented out then obviously messed with it before giving it out in 1.4... Feb 28 23:39:30 I've been having random little glitches too; I think they left some bugs in 1.4 Feb 28 23:39:37 LIke my lock screen becomes transparent Feb 28 23:39:45 I thought that was a feature Feb 28 23:39:48 lol Feb 28 23:39:54 well, I posted the bug to the official palm bug report thread Feb 28 23:40:44 My phone was actually behaving very slowly and not really working right, so I doctored it. At least the slowness is gone, but I still have a few glitches Feb 28 23:43:45 Yea and the bugs keeping popping their head for me too. Feb 28 23:44:02 Duke3D is now in the testing feed. Feb 28 23:44:25 Now, my email app goes dormant randomly. It doesn't bring up notifications on time. And when I try to open it, it either shows a blank screen or opens to the account setup page. Feb 28 23:44:43 If I hit "Done," it loads the normal account list screen just fine. Feb 28 23:45:14 ugh, same bug for crash on palm-install Feb 28 23:45:38 wahoo, getting my test on Feb 28 23:45:52 I really hope to see a 1.4.1 soon Feb 28 23:48:34 unaligned reads are teh suck Feb 28 23:53:12 1.4 has actually been surprisingly smooth for me Feb 28 23:53:27 1.4 has a major bug though with alerts Feb 28 23:53:41 calendars, messages, etc come in at random times, sometimes /very/ late Feb 28 23:53:43 what's that? Feb 28 23:53:51 biab Feb 28 23:54:09 hmm... i haven't seen that happen, but I'll start checking Feb 28 23:54:18 I didn't get an alert for a 6PM calendar alert (30 minute early alarm) until 20 minutes AFTER 6 Feb 28 23:54:36 i guess I'll see about the calendar alerts tomorrow Feb 28 23:54:40 and most of my messages aren't even dinging the pre when it's sitting there at the locked screen Feb 28 23:54:52 note that it only happens when the pre is locked (touchstone or not) Feb 28 23:55:06 doesn't need pin lock, just screen lock Feb 28 23:55:16 i have noticed missing a text or two Feb 28 23:55:18 lots of people have been reporting it Feb 28 23:55:32 azakus: I've tweeted the bug too. Feb 28 23:55:34 actually calls Feb 28 23:55:58 a couple of calls that I didn't notice until i saw the missed notification Feb 28 23:56:26 i've been too busy enjoying the performance boost to notice Feb 28 23:56:31 yeah Feb 28 23:56:39 I'm worried they rushed it to make the feburary date Feb 28 23:56:41 azakus: the good news is the rdxd will be reporting all those LunaSysMgr crash logs back to Palm automatically. Feb 28 23:56:51 ah good Feb 28 23:56:55 oh, and terminal crashes luna Feb 28 23:56:57 consistently Feb 28 23:56:58 whats up guys hows everyone liking 1.4 as of now? Feb 28 23:57:38 JMyaDaGod: Bad time to ask... we are mostly complaining about bugs right now :-) Feb 28 23:57:51 JMyaDaGod: aside from the luna crashes, my broken css in jstop, and other oddities, pretty good Feb 28 23:58:05 yeah I have a rendering issue with my website as well Feb 28 23:58:10 the background just doesn't show up, at all Feb 28 23:58:14 thats good ...... best way to fix them LOL.....anyone confirm if freetether is dead also? Feb 28 23:58:18 which makes no sense, considering it worked fine in 1.3.5.1 Feb 28 23:58:40 VincentLaw: the web browser was updated in 1.4 Feb 28 23:58:47 JMyaDaGod: freetether works just fine for me. i am able to bluetooth tether easily on my Macbook Feb 28 23:58:47 so who knows what changed Feb 28 23:58:47 it looks like quite a few underlying system packages were upgraded in 1.4 Feb 28 23:58:51 VincentLaw whats your website? Feb 28 23:59:20 all that said, it's definitely faster and seems to be better with memory management, but jury is still out on the second item Mar 01 00:00:32 VincentLaw: I have been having similar issues to you regarding alerts. SMS texts are hours late. The phone doesn't ring when people call. Email app opens to blank page. Calendar opens empty too sometimes. Definitely something weird going on with this update. Mar 01 00:00:34 JMyaDaGod: http://sorrowind.net Mar 01 00:00:42 it looks like luna caches a lot more as, after boot, i seem to only have ~7MB free Mar 01 00:01:01 I don't have any issues with things showing up blank. simply alerts when the pre is locked being delayed for extended periods Mar 01 00:01:10 texts/ims/calendar alerts/etc Mar 01 00:01:16 I don't think it's _definitely_ faster - the email-application is laggy as hell Mar 01 00:01:28 azakus: and I know it's been updated, but it renders fine in everything else. everything. even the older pre browser. Mar 01 00:01:36 email isn't laggy for me...email is noticeably more responsive Mar 01 00:01:41 same here xcomp Mar 01 00:01:58 yeah its not lag Mar 01 00:02:05 it's like it's just not realizing there's alerts Mar 01 00:02:10 haven't had blanks in the calendar or late texts, but I've definitely had a couple of missed calls Mar 01 00:02:41 VincentLaw what did u say the problem with ur site was? Mar 01 00:02:48 the background wouldn't render Mar 01 00:02:54 o i see it now Mar 01 00:03:35 yeah, it doesn't make sense Mar 01 00:03:37 hmm, dmesg also has a few listings of lunasysmgr Mar 01 00:03:38 [ 4020.910000] Alignment trap: LunaSysMgr (7805) PC=0x35bd2e88 Instr=0xe7970004 Address=0x027a8509 FSR 0x001 Mar 01 00:03:41 [ 4020.910000] Alignment trap: LunaSysMgr (7805) PC=0x35bd2e88 Instr=0xe7970004 Address=0x027a8509 FSR 0x001 Mar 01 00:03:50 why do u only have 1 period here: background-image: url('./images/bgclouds.jpg') Mar 01 00:03:55 Well just now running some tests to figure out the blink notification patterns and the phone was not even registering a notificaton to 2 test emails. I then try to open the email app and shows me the account setup page. I hit "Done" and then it works again. And the 2 test emails are sitting there already. Mar 01 00:04:02 def unaligned read Mar 01 00:04:06 wow, traps, huh ? Mar 01 00:04:07 JMyaDaGod: current directory. I like stating it explicitly Mar 01 00:04:25 o i c Mar 01 00:07:35 I would say *maybe* its managing memory better, but the complete business of alerts is killing me now (especially the vibrations). Plus I'm having stability issues which never occurred in 1.3; actually had a full crash. AND the lock screen sometimes glitches... so was it worth it for video recording, Flash and *maybe* better memory management? Mar 01 00:07:48 *buginess Mar 01 00:07:49 not business Mar 01 00:08:09 * Nrbelex curses spellcheck Mar 01 00:08:44 the_snowdog: I think trying to figure that out is futile. I really think it's just totally buggy. Mar 01 00:09:21 ok, I've got a few traps of LunaSysMgr in dmesg and it always has the alignment trap at the same instruction Mar 01 00:09:31 0x37970004 Mar 01 00:10:06 I think we just need to provide assistance to palm get this stuff fixed quickly. Looks like azakus is making some progress with the debug info.... Mar 01 00:10:26 i'd rather not have to objdump it though Mar 01 00:14:34 it looks like your PC is always at the same location Mar 01 00:17:37 hello Mar 01 00:18:11 bpadalino: nope, I have a more comprehensive log Mar 01 00:18:16 same instruction every time though Mar 01 00:18:41 I just updated to webos 1.4 and installed the multi mod patch, it doesnt work and wont allow me to go to any web page Mar 01 00:18:43 decode the instruction ? Mar 01 00:18:55 https://pastee.org/6jbbj Mar 01 00:19:04 code someplease point me in the right direction? Mar 01 00:19:20 yeah, your PC is always the same Mar 01 00:19:31 is it? Mar 01 00:19:32 hmm Mar 01 00:19:45 oh so it is Mar 01 00:19:55 lets see what function that's in Mar 01 00:20:40 Perhaps this will teach them not to tie themselves down by giving specific dates when new versions are coming out. This just feels ruched. Mar 01 00:20:51 *rushed Mar 01 00:20:57 you think so ? Mar 01 00:24:44 Ihazspintpr3: that's a known issue. we need to wait for a patch update. you should uninstall it for now Mar 01 00:29:32 Oh, also: forward swipe gesture - completely gone!? Mar 01 00:31:17 pastee.org is pretty cool Mar 01 00:45:02 Ihazspintpr3: uninstall it Mar 01 01:39:22 egaudet: ping Mar 01 01:41:45 heh Mar 01 01:41:54 whats with those weird dots that show up during loading in Preware Mar 01 01:52:20 hi Mar 01 01:52:34 FuMan2: dunno, they are new in 1.4, and seem harmless. Maybe oil knows what they are. Mar 01 01:53:42 i noticed them also, but idk Mar 01 01:56:15 rwhitby: have some questions about ipkg-builder Mar 01 01:56:48 LoneStar99: yep Mar 01 01:57:37 The asian chic app is awsome Mar 01 01:58:05 need to migrate it to unix, what do i need to change? Mar 01 02:00:55 they need to make a white chick app Mar 01 02:01:15 LoneStar99: should run on anything with Python and zip and tar and ar I expect. Mar 01 02:01:19 BBA app Mar 01 02:01:55 LoneStar99: why do you want to run it on Unix (and what version? SCO? HP-UX? Solaris?) - why not just use a Linux virtual machine? Mar 01 02:03:25 rwhitby: can you send me a private message? you handle does not show up Mar 01 02:14:25 anyone have any news on the flash beta? Mar 01 02:15:19 We ned a patch to remove Bluetooth from the Device Menu Mar 01 02:15:25 Did they specifically say it was going to come out in february? Mar 01 02:15:40 gollyzila2: 1.4? Yes Mar 01 02:15:43 or flash Mar 01 02:15:48 I heard second week of march from a sprint rep Mar 01 02:16:15 Abyssul: flash Mar 01 02:16:20 Adobe took Flash from Macromedia and turned it into a bloated buggy mess. Mar 01 02:16:49 how do you figure Mar 01 02:22:20 Duke3D Mar 01 02:22:45 Failed: ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during post-install script Mar 01 02:22:50 bad O_o? Mar 01 02:23:19 FuMan2: Is Duke3D released for Pre? Mar 01 02:29:28 Has anyone have all there backgrounded apps close except Preware while using Preware? Mar 01 02:29:48 eh? Mar 01 02:31:03 I had Email and 2 browser cards while updating my patches. After it finished, I skipped the luna restart and my phone was slow. I went to card view and Preware was the only card open. Mar 01 02:31:25 And then it also happened when I was downloading Terminus. Mar 01 02:33:50 nope Mar 01 02:34:29 Darn Mar 01 02:34:59 gollyzila, yeah, its in the testing feed Mar 01 02:36:24 gollyzila: i have Mar 01 02:36:34 it happens whenever luna rescanned it seemed Mar 01 02:36:37 or java restarted Mar 01 02:36:50 my phone was terribly slow after java restarted .. i rebooted after that Mar 01 02:39:54 How would I do Tab in Terminus? Mar 01 02:39:58 * zonyl finally sent off a request for access to the PDK. Crossing my fingers. Mar 01 02:40:44 Is terminus just a port of the sdlTerminal application or was it a new project? Mar 01 02:41:41 yeah, it does appear a rescan kills open apps Mar 01 02:43:17 "Terminus is a fork of the dead terminal emulator project called "Enterminus", an EFL based terminal emulator for the Enlightenment window manager. Terminus is powered by SDL and designed to work on Palm webOS devices such as the Pre and Pixi." Mar 01 02:43:24 Copied from the wiki Mar 01 02:44:03 Forward gesture is tab if anyone didn't know like I did Mar 01 02:44:03 gollyzila: on WSOI wiki? Mar 01 02:44:27 gollyzila: thanks, news to me. always have hit spacbar ~5 times Mar 01 02:44:50 hehe. If that only worked 'spacebar completion' Mar 01 02:45:08 zonyl: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/terminus/wiki Mar 01 02:45:32 I just followed the link on the webos-internals wiki Mar 01 02:46:05 gollyzila: sorry, i must have missed too much of the convo prior to entering the room... Mar 01 02:46:21 gollyzila: doh. Thanks. Didnt realize there was another page describing it. I am also in the process of adding Arrows and Tab/Alt to the sdlVNC client so I can use Xterm. Mar 01 02:48:41 I thought Terminus was dead int he water? Mar 01 02:49:01 Not until Terminal died recently Mar 01 02:49:41 FuMan2: It works for now. Got caught on the 1.4 upgrade and lost terminal and my ssh user.. Thank goodness for Terminus Mar 01 02:51:57 What is the best way to update a patch? I have the diff file from gitorius. Mar 01 02:52:44 http://blog.cheesymeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/gimmefish-long.mp3 Mar 01 02:52:50 ^^^ newest ringtone Mar 01 02:53:49 PuffTheMagic_: Nice ;) Mar 01 02:54:58 Is it just me or did Palm fix the SDL key bounce on 1.4? Mar 01 02:55:10 I use Snake's ringtone from Metal Gear Solid Mar 01 02:58:44 You guys updated to 1.4 yet? Mar 01 02:59:03 and i haven't looked back Mar 01 02:59:03 Almost everyone has Mar 01 02:59:04 unfortunately Mar 01 02:59:14 AnOutsider: Why so? Mar 01 02:59:25 Well, tethering isn't working and I'm not able to ssh in after it. Mar 01 02:59:42 bpadalino: I like the video recording feature :) Mar 01 02:59:49 Everything is much snappier .. Mar 01 02:59:55 good features **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 01 02:59:57 2010