**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 03 02:59:58 2010 Mar 03 03:12:20 rwhitby: ping Mar 03 03:12:56 Updated my WebOS today, now when trying to update my preware feeds, it gets stuck at "checking package manager version". waited over 30 minutes. Did try to restart after, but still getting stuck. Mar 03 03:13:01 No idea where to take it from there Mar 03 03:13:35 mjkjr: why didn't you want to ask them? Mar 03 03:13:37 dBsooner: gu Mar 03 03:13:55 i was replying to your pm from earlier Mar 03 03:14:08 dBsooner: ok, I forgot what that was about :-) Mar 03 03:14:12 nice Mar 03 03:14:19 I'm not important then. :D Mar 03 03:14:34 test my GSM patch Mar 03 03:14:40 s/test/please test/ Mar 03 03:14:41 dBsooner meant: please test my GSM patch Mar 03 03:15:18 rwhitby, lol too many random questions, not really a time or place for that. Mar 03 03:16:23 mjkjr: no worries :-) Mar 03 03:16:43 rwhitby: can you do that? Mar 03 03:16:56 dBsooner: nope, in 8 hours from now yes. Mar 03 03:17:11 dang Mar 03 03:17:19 It won't break your pre, I promise. Mar 03 03:17:26 or are you not 1.4 yet? Mar 03 03:18:32 ok i see on the forum that people say the site(s) are overloaded. Is this true? Mar 03 03:19:00 draeath: was Mar 03 03:19:19 draeath: since about 8 hours post 1.4.0 release, we have been fine. Mar 03 03:20:03 We had a plan to put other things in place before the 1.4.0 release, but it came quicker than anticipated. Mar 03 03:20:43 So we had to basically crash course test our new nginx server and throw it into production faster than we had hoped. Mar 03 03:20:49 But all has been well since it came online. Mar 03 03:26:41 is ipkg.preware.org a bad site? Mar 03 03:26:55 sms tone per contact is trying to dl lsdiff from there. Mar 03 03:27:28 perhaps I should reframe my question. is there something which provides sms tones per contact and/or changing alert sounds that works? Mar 03 03:28:09 bougyman: what? Mar 03 03:28:20 bougyman: lsdiff is required to be able to patc Mar 03 03:28:26 right. Mar 03 03:28:34 lsdiff and GNU patch Mar 03 03:28:38 but it failed to download, said ipkg.preware.org was a bad site Mar 03 03:28:43 LOL Mar 03 03:28:50 and my local google chrome is telling me the same Mar 03 03:29:03 what do you mean "bad site" Mar 03 03:29:07 and now me pre is frozen solid Mar 03 03:29:18 bougyman: ipkg.preware.org is working fine Mar 03 03:29:27 hrm. Mar 03 03:30:08 Collected errors: ipkg_downloads: ERROR: Command failed wget: bad address 'ipkg.preware.org' Mar 03 03:31:05 i novatermed in and killed the hung process. Mar 03 03:31:10 let me try to install ldsiff by hand. Mar 03 03:31:15 no Mar 03 03:31:20 no? Mar 03 03:31:22 no Mar 03 03:31:29 just try to install the patch again Mar 03 03:31:35 ok Mar 03 03:31:41 bougyman: bad address means your Pre is not resolving DNS or has no network connection Mar 03 03:31:50 it has to have a network connection Mar 03 03:31:55 yes Mar 03 03:31:57 i'm watching it download feeds now. Mar 03 03:32:05 i mean it does. Mar 03 03:32:12 those feeds are being downloaded from "ipkg.preware.org" Mar 03 03:32:27 i see that. Mar 03 03:32:35 maybe that patch has a bad url? Mar 03 03:32:37 How much would someone need to donate to "commission" a relatively simple patch? Mar 03 03:32:42 chrome is telling me the same thing Mar 03 03:32:45 what patch? Mar 03 03:32:54 bougyman: ipconfig /flushdns Mar 03 03:32:55 The webpage at http://ipkg.preware.org/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Mar 03 03:32:58 from your computer Mar 03 03:32:59 Making the vibrate for SMS the same length it used to be? Mar 03 03:33:00 maybe it's going to the wrong url? Mar 03 03:33:10 bougyman: no.. its not. Mar 03 03:33:14 bougyman: ever considered the problem might be at your end? Mar 03 03:33:32 Problem 1: you're using google chrome. Mar 03 03:33:41 rwhitby: this is linux Mar 03 03:33:46 dBsooner: same in firefox. Mar 03 03:34:03 just because its linux means its not your problem? Mar 03 03:34:13 no, it means ipconfig /flushdns won't work Mar 03 03:34:31 i guess that was dBsooner. Mar 03 03:34:42 well your not resolving IP addresses properly. Mar 03 03:34:46 rwhitby: yes, considered that. and the pre is starting to freeze, too. Mar 03 03:34:55 dBsooner: it's browsing web fine. Mar 03 03:35:06 [dbsooner@deluge v1.4.0]$ dig ipkg.preware.org Mar 03 03:35:12 ;; QUESTION SECTION: Mar 03 03:35:14 ;ipkg.preware.org. IN A Mar 03 03:35:16 ;; ANSWER SECTION: Mar 03 03:35:18 ipkg.preware.org. 1800 IN CNAME milla.nas-admin.org. Mar 03 03:35:20 milla.nas-admin.org. 600 IN A 140.211.169.161 Mar 03 03:35:27 Nope, not server problem. Mar 03 03:35:31 it's your computer or ISP. Mar 03 03:36:06 my isp and the evdo? Mar 03 03:36:15 you using wifi on the pre Mar 03 03:36:26 ok, seems me stopping powerd was the cause of the pre'd problems Mar 03 03:36:27 s/pre/pre?/ Mar 03 03:36:27 dBsooner meant: you using wifi on the pre? Mar 03 03:36:45 no, using evdo Mar 03 03:37:05 shrug. server is fine. Mar 03 03:37:22 wait. tivo's new devices are based on flash? fail. Mar 03 03:37:37 lol Mar 03 03:37:49 --- milla.nas-admin.org ping statistics --- Mar 03 03:37:49 17 packets transmitted, 17 received, 0% packet loss, time 16014ms Mar 03 03:37:49 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 121.853/122.451/122.779/0.355 ms Mar 03 03:38:08 a little slow on traverse, but it's there. Mar 03 03:38:22 dBsooner: Did you see my last response? The patch would be to restore the duration of a text message vibrate alert to the 1.3 time... Mar 03 03:38:35 how long was it? Mar 03 03:38:43 how much you donating? Mar 03 03:38:52 A paltry amount Mar 03 03:38:57 $10 Mar 03 03:39:00 lol Mar 03 03:39:01 sold Mar 03 03:39:07 yea? Mar 03 03:39:08 how long do you want it? Mar 03 03:39:21 hrm. Mar 03 03:39:32 No shit? Ummm, the length it was in 1.3? Mar 03 03:39:32 i can't change /etc/resolv.conf on the pre without remounting / rw Mar 03 03:39:37 and I don't think that's the right solution Mar 03 03:39:47 bougyman: it's not Mar 03 03:39:51 bougyman: reboot the phone Mar 03 03:39:57 ah crap Mar 03 03:40:00 i lost all net. Mar 03 03:40:06 this is the effing mytether crap again. Mar 03 03:40:13 MyTether? Mar 03 03:40:16 i have a feeling i'm going to have to webosdoctor again. Mar 03 03:40:17 yeah, that's your problem. Mar 03 03:40:17 yeah. Mar 03 03:40:25 happened last time after I upgraded to 1.4 Mar 03 03:40:27 freeTether FTW! Mar 03 03:40:37 does it work with 1.4? Mar 03 03:40:39 myTether = not cool. Mar 03 03:40:45 dunno.. PuffTheMagic_? Mar 03 03:40:46 i don't even need wifi, and don't need usb tether much. Mar 03 03:40:51 only every great once in a while. Mar 03 03:40:59 Nrbelex: give me a minute Mar 03 03:41:03 i already paid for MyTether :( Mar 03 03:42:28 rebooting to see how screwed I am. Mar 03 03:44:49 nope, still no net Mar 03 03:44:51 just like before Mar 03 03:46:09 woot, got it working, unapplied the mytether patch in novaterm Mar 03 03:46:31 back to lsdiff Mar 03 03:47:14 yeah I'm not too happy w/ mytether either... It's a hit or miss whether the app works on my phone or not... Anybody manage to get mobile hotspot working again for sprint? Mar 03 03:47:44 i always use it the other way around. Mar 03 03:47:48 pre connects to netbook Mar 03 03:47:56 only if i'm in the sticks do I need evdo tethering. Mar 03 03:48:26 Nrbelex: done.. 1 second, 1.5 seconds and 2 seconds. Mar 03 03:48:34 available in Preware. Mar 03 03:48:44 ... you are the shit? Mar 03 03:48:50 What's the best way to donate? Mar 03 03:49:09 Nrbelex: Preware->Patches->Messages->SMS Vibrate to 1/1.5/2 second Mar 03 03:49:16 donate.dbsooner.com Mar 03 03:49:27 test the patch first ;) Mar 03 03:49:44 dBsooner: That won't make it vibrate AGAIN, right? It will override the stock vibrate, correct? Mar 03 03:49:55 should Mar 03 03:50:13 dunno, install and test. Mar 03 03:50:25 haha, I'm paying for alpha software here. :P Mar 03 03:51:14 tis why I said test it first Mar 03 03:54:31 dBsooner: Wait, is this the patch that Abyssul had before? Because my understanding is that they just vibrate a second time. Trying it out now... Mar 03 03:54:35 dbspooner: wanted to ask you about the audio/video patch... I used to use it prior to 1.4 for sending out mp3 audio clips... However, I could never tell if the message went out or not... The text w/ the MMS message would never turn black.. Mar 03 03:55:01 And the recipient would never recieve my message.. Mar 03 03:55:14 dunno, not my patch Mar 03 03:55:18 oh Mar 03 03:55:27 had your name on it Mar 03 03:55:43 as well as fritos1406 Mar 03 03:55:50 ahh.. i just ported it Mar 03 03:55:53 fritos made it Mar 03 03:56:19 dBsooner: There's a double vibrate Mar 03 03:56:58 Nrbelex: ok.. then let me look at how to make the vibrate longer. might not be possible. it might be a built in luna setting. Mar 03 03:56:58 I find it strange that palm would support sending video but not audio attachments in MMS... Mar 03 03:57:26 dBsooner: That was my concern. I had checked out Abyssul's patch's before. Mar 03 03:57:34 *patches Mar 03 03:58:48 Mitalis: Since there's no mic access, it doesn't surprise me. All you could share is downloaded stuff... Mar 03 03:59:05 yeah exactly... Like ringtones, etc.. Mar 03 03:59:32 I'm surprised Palm didn't open add the API for mic access now that we can record video. Mar 03 04:01:53 Mitalis: Wouldn't shock me if they don't *want* us sharing ringtones Mar 03 04:02:40 there's no money to be made in ringtones anymore. Mar 03 04:03:06 now that most phones support mp3 ringtines.. Mar 03 04:03:12 It's still just tacitly allowing file sharing Mar 03 04:03:21 But I'm on your side Mar 03 04:03:31 But I can see why Palm isn't devoting resources to it... Mar 03 04:04:03 yeah it just kinda surprised me that Palm would enable MMS access for videos, but I would think that most carriers woudn't support file transfers no bigger then like 3MB Mar 03 04:04:15 That's like what... a 3 second video? Mar 03 04:06:19 dBsooner: I'm heading AFK, but I'll be on the lookout. I'm happy to give something, but the reason I asked is because I knew of Abyssul's patches already and they're not quite what I'm looking for. Mar 03 04:06:39 yeah, I am searching the dbus Mar 03 04:08:27 dBsooner: Along those same lines, I'd consider donating for patches allowing for customized LED alerts. i.e. 1 blink for a text, 2 for an E-mail, 3 for a missed call. Lemme know if anything like that's possible. Mar 03 04:09:44 or maybe 1 blink for 1 notification, 2 for 2, 3 for 3, etc. Mar 03 04:10:05 is there a problem with gnu patch in 1.4? Mar 03 04:10:17 um, you guys are talking about bounties, not donations. Please don't mix the terms, less you end up like MyTether. Mar 03 04:10:30 s/less/lest/ Mar 03 04:10:32 rwhitby meant: um, you guys are talking about bounties, not donations. Please don't mix the terms, lest you end up like MyTether. Mar 03 04:10:51 rwhitby: haha, cool, that makes me sound like a pirate. Mar 03 04:11:08 Ok, back in a bit. Mar 03 04:11:19 gnu and lsdiff are broken in 1.4? Mar 03 04:11:34 audiofx: not that I'm aware of Mar 03 04:11:52 is anyone familiar with a solution for streaming video from a PC to a webOS device? Mar 03 04:12:37 my old solution of just sticking .m4v's in Apache has stopped working with the 1.4 update Mar 03 04:13:51 rwhitby: maybe a quickinstall problem Mar 03 04:14:03 audiofx: are you using 3.02 of wosqi? Mar 03 04:15:24 says 1.0 though i d/led it from a 3.0 link Mar 03 04:15:36 wtf? /me confused Mar 03 04:16:23 yea just redownlaoded says 1.0 Mar 03 04:16:25 im on osx Mar 03 04:18:17 any idea why it shows v 1.0 Mar 03 04:20:03 mobile hotspot still wants me to login i downloaded one and installed it over the stock pre plus one and the ip auto foward patch Mar 03 04:20:10 still wants me to sign up Mar 03 04:20:15 a way to change nai? Mar 03 04:24:54 audiofx: 1.0 of wosqi will definitely fail for patch and lsdiff. you need 3.02 Mar 03 04:25:23 audiofx: is changing NAI complaint with your carrier terms of service? Mar 03 04:25:31 s/complaint/compliant/ Mar 03 04:25:31 rwhitby meant: audiofx: is changing NAI compliant with your carrier terms of service? Mar 03 04:25:40 im on 3.02 Mar 03 04:25:42 patch installed Mar 03 04:25:59 rwhitby: sorry, Mar 03 04:26:17 trying to tether with mobile hotspot i already pay $30 a month not paying $70 for data thats robbery :) Mar 03 04:26:43 I'm curious about this as well... Mytether sucks. Mar 03 04:26:45 audiofx: maybe you need a new carrier ;-) Mar 03 04:27:20 sprint has bad service for the areas i need it Mar 03 04:27:22 or you could come to Australia, where there are no unlimited data plans, and complain to us about your terrible situation ... ;-) Mar 03 04:27:23 no other option here Mar 03 04:27:33 rwhitby: hehe Mar 03 04:28:39 Mitalis: i guess it only works for sprint users Mar 03 04:29:21 I have sprint, and I haven't had any luck w/ mytether.. No idea why... Mobile hotspot worked flawlessly Mar 03 04:30:02 your on mobile hotspot? Mar 03 04:30:18 I used to use it w/ 1.3.5 Mar 03 04:30:25 not working now? Mar 03 04:30:30 nope Mar 03 04:31:24 is luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} no longer working in 1.4? Mar 03 04:31:28 Mobile hotspot probably doesn't work on Sprint in 1.4 Mar 03 04:31:38 hrmm Mar 03 04:31:50 i guess thats why Mar 03 04:31:55 It was my understanding that mobile hotspot was exclusive for verizon... But now I hear it's for any carrier that *wants* to support tethering using phones Mar 03 04:32:03 mine doesnt either (im verizon but using the downloaded mobile hotspot and patch) Mar 03 04:32:10 works then goes to verizons sign up page Mar 03 04:32:27 well verizon's network knows when you're using mobile hotspot Mar 03 04:32:33 Mitalis: well, I know the updated mobile hotspot version from the download, the reason we didn't use it originally was that it had a check for Carrier == 'Verizon Wireless' Mar 03 04:32:52 (which is why we'd only install the app and not the service from the update) Mar 03 04:32:54 That's all that's required to get it working? Is the carrier string? Mar 03 04:33:33 i need to get mine so i dont have to do the $40 Mar 03 04:33:36 if it's like the earlier version then possibly -- I haven't checked into it for 1.4 to see if that's it Mar 03 04:34:16 it seems everybody's been pretty hush hush about it... -_-;; Mar 03 04:34:35 Mitalis: I don't personally use it Mar 03 04:35:22 My gripe is this... I don't want to carry around an additional piece of hardware to tether... I'd gladly pay an additional $15-20 per month if it means I'd have tethering access using my phone Mar 03 04:35:39 ideally we should work on an open source mobile hotspot service and app, but we'd need for someone to step forward who's interested (most here have projects already) Mar 03 04:35:42 But sprint's in the business of selling mobile cards for that sort of thing... Mar 03 04:37:18 ill try out mytether Mar 03 04:37:52 i had a pre then went onto many other devices now im playing with pre plus but tethering is something i need, well like. dont abuse it but certainly dont use it enough to justify a monthly Mar 03 04:37:59 I dunno... The method that aonic uses to get mytether working seems so 'hit or miss' Mar 03 04:38:16 its a paid app though Mar 03 04:38:20 no demo to see if it works? Mar 03 04:38:22 I know Mar 03 04:38:28 I bought it awhile ago before mobile hotspot came out Mar 03 04:38:36 ahh Mar 03 04:38:36 mytether used to work... never got it working w/ wifi Mar 03 04:38:42 its a life license Mar 03 04:39:06 before he incorporated that odd patch that screwed up the camera application Mar 03 04:39:19 I liked mobile hotspot becuase it was flawless when using it w/ wifi Mar 03 04:39:22 Mitalis, well it's also just a better customer service call to supplement people with mobile cards or mifi spots because they don't understand why sprints network can't support voice and data at the same time Mar 03 04:40:01 oh I understand their position.. It's just that now they're so intent in cutting off tethering access to their new smartphones Mar 03 04:41:06 I think their customers understood that voice wouldn't work when the phone was used as a modem Mar 03 04:41:18 i wonder if anyone will make a stand alone non monthly nav app for webos Mar 03 04:41:28 what carrier? Mar 03 04:41:33 Sprint? Mar 03 04:41:37 yeah Mar 03 04:41:53 this still logged on nslu2? Mar 03 04:42:41 ah ha! The video player can no longer play videos with spaces in the title Mar 03 04:42:47 im vzw Mar 03 04:42:57 hi afx Mar 03 04:44:59 tmzt: yes Mar 03 04:45:27 cool I just lost about a day Mar 03 04:45:29 I think Mar 03 04:45:36 and moved my irssi to x86 Mar 03 04:47:17 does anyone else notice the emulator being reaally slow to start? Mar 03 04:47:24 in new SDK Mar 03 04:50:37 hmmm.. maybe technical issues on my end. bbiab Mar 03 04:52:01 So, has anyone tested ipkgservice 0.9.38 ? Mar 03 04:53:12 soo... am i the only person that had an issue with the "named pages in launcher" patch?? Mar 03 04:53:48 and if not... is there a certain file/folder i should just delete? Mar 03 04:54:04 grndslm: dunno - what's the thread say? Mar 03 04:54:18 rwhitby, dunno which thread? Mar 03 04:54:23 the thread for the patch? Mar 03 04:54:29 I'm sure there's a thread in webos-patches forum for it. Mar 03 04:57:33 What is the total time for refresh between precentral and it being updated in Preware (it appears to be longer than I since used it a few months ago). Mar 03 04:58:29 should be however long it takes PreCentral to update the XML feed, plus max 15 minutes. Mar 03 04:59:38 grndslm: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/223826-patch-named-pages-app-launcher.html Mar 03 05:00:13 yup... i'm lookin' at it now Mar 03 05:00:30 people are mentioning a few conflicting patches, none of which i have Mar 03 05:00:38 i think it's just the patch itself Mar 03 05:01:17 * Templarian thinks nevermind it just updated Mar 03 05:05:08 well... i'm more than likely just gonna stop using the patch... i'm just surprised i didn't read more about it on the forums beforehand Mar 03 05:05:15 but yes... nevermind :) Mar 03 05:45:33 New PMS update to 0.9.38? that's quick Mar 03 05:46:04 what's the changelog? Mar 03 05:46:45 whats pms? Mar 03 05:46:51 s/PMS/Package Manager Service/ Mar 03 05:46:52 mjkjr meant: New Package Manager Service update to 0.9.38? that's quick Mar 03 05:47:00 lol @ pms reference Mar 03 05:47:21 is there a way to remove unsed apps? Mar 03 05:47:21 I didn't think about it until i saw it on the screen Mar 03 05:47:26 like vz navigater and such? Mar 03 05:49:28 ~erroneously Mar 03 05:49:30 ah cool looks like PMS addresses the large caching issue with the feeds Mar 03 05:49:50 Mitalis: yep Mar 03 05:49:54 also read http://forums.precentral.net/2276955-post29.html Mar 03 05:50:03 can it be updated with preware? Mar 03 05:50:08 yes Mar 03 05:51:54 rwhitby, we release yet? Mar 03 05:52:19 zsoc: yep Mar 03 05:52:54 cool cool Mar 03 05:54:09 rwhitby: retweet Mar 03 05:54:11 please* Mar 03 05:54:13 night ya'll Mar 03 05:54:23 any skype for webos or just im+ web app from what i googled Mar 03 05:56:29 skype is proprietary, and have not stated any plans for webOS. Mar 03 05:57:23 but they are doing some push for open SIP access long term Mar 03 05:57:27 wanted to use my skypeout for those long customer service calls Mar 03 05:57:35 so a SIP-client would just solve t he problem altogether Mar 03 05:57:47 audiofx: your best bet is to try to create compatibility with maemo binaries and run the maemo skype, but that would still be non trivial Mar 03 05:58:16 since nobody has really ever done much of anything towards making such a compatbility layer Mar 03 05:59:30 hmm Mar 03 05:59:33 you need X Mar 03 05:59:38 at least Mar 03 05:59:42 gotcha Mar 03 05:59:52 if X worked chroot should be easy enough Mar 03 06:00:02 skype is gtk/hildon or qt based? Mar 03 06:00:07 hrmm time to hi tgoogle see whats up with flash for pre i remember hearing about that Mar 03 06:00:09 i'm down to 35 patches installed now, not sure that's a good or bad thing Mar 03 06:00:20 tmzt: hildon I thing Mar 03 06:00:27 s/thing/think/ Mar 03 06:00:27 destinal-home meant: tmzt: hildon I think Mar 03 06:00:38 hildon on dfb is possible probably Mar 03 06:01:07 outta curiousity... How many of you guys are using the Pre? (not the Plus) Mar 03 06:01:31 Mitalis: I'd say most of us Mar 03 06:01:34 most of them Mar 03 06:01:38 just wondering if you guys still encounter the "too many cards open" whenever launching 3D apps.. Mar 03 06:01:40 all are Sprint people Mar 03 06:01:54 with no cards open... Mar 03 06:02:22 i guess flash isnt out yet Mar 03 06:02:26 never ever Mar 03 06:03:26 hmm, they mentioned flash Mar 03 06:03:34 just suggested you wouldn't want it Mar 03 06:12:08 is a LED manager service possible for the pixi? Mar 03 06:12:22 * mjkjr doesn't want a white screen for a flashlight Mar 03 06:14:10 any pre plus users here on mytether? Mar 03 06:14:30 mines acting strange really slow then seems to try and hit verizons sign up page for the mobile hot spot app strange Mar 03 06:14:52 doesn't myteather go through iptables? Mar 03 06:15:04 no idea Mar 03 06:15:09 i would think so Mar 03 06:15:11 it seems you have the built in version Mar 03 06:15:23 no this is my tether installed with mac installer Mar 03 06:18:23 audiofx: very few people in this channel have purchased mytether, and therefore we usually point people to the donors forum, where you've already paid for guaranteed support. Mar 03 06:19:03 believe it or not, the support in the mytether donor forums doesn't seem all that great Mar 03 06:19:12 Mitalis, i don't believe it Mar 03 06:21:47 zsoc: shocking to me too Mar 03 06:22:30 At a cost of $14.95 it should be supported much better than over 95% of the apps in App Catalog. Mar 03 06:22:30 I dunno... it seems like the help is very minimal Mar 03 06:22:32 * jacques faints dead away. Mar 03 06:24:09 Perfect example: since mytether was updated for 1.4 support, tethering w/ wifi speeds have dropped drastically... And nobody seems to know why. Mar 03 06:24:27 well, that's cause it just uses Palm binaries for that now Mar 03 06:24:37 so the MyTether author has no control over it. Mar 03 06:24:56 well, regardless, there's no answer in the forums stating why Mar 03 06:25:14 Mitalis: the customers should revolt Mar 03 06:25:35 so why did palm change the wifi? Mar 03 06:26:21 one major thing they did was made it able to sleep when idle, for better battery performace. Mar 03 06:26:46 ah... Makes sense Mar 03 06:26:46 battery performance being far more important than tethering speed Mar 03 06:27:30 yea no luck still, seems to kill the data connection on my device Mar 03 06:27:47 then browser still seems to be looking for verizons signup page but never gets me there Mar 03 06:28:27 I wonder how many people have purchased mytether Mar 03 06:28:56 takes a while to get my internet back to after turning off mytether Mar 03 06:29:37 * mjkjr dreams about some sort of LED manager service for the pixi to block out mytether babel Mar 03 06:30:36 s/babel/talk/ Mar 03 06:30:43 what? Mar 03 06:31:46 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/226490-how-install-mobile-hot-spot-sprint-pre-35.html#post2276902 Mar 03 06:32:20 i wonder if anyone has made missile command yet? Mar 03 06:33:56 doesnt look like it Mar 03 06:34:04 any method to remove stock application Mar 03 06:34:10 ie remove verizons mobile hotspot and navigator? Mar 03 06:34:41 can't the quick installer remove them? Mar 03 06:34:54 not only self installed apps it showed Mar 03 06:35:06 nope, different ipkg database and install location Mar 03 06:37:11 so no way Mar 03 06:37:54 fsopen ? Mar 03 06:38:09 will that break upgrades? Mar 03 06:44:00 infobot, zsoc wears mc hammer pants Mar 03 06:44:11 infobot, wake up! Mar 03 06:44:12 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Mar 03 06:44:36 infobot: zsoc also wears mc hammer pants Mar 03 06:45:00 infobot: also, zsoc is , and wears mc hammer pants Mar 03 06:45:02 zsoc|away: I think you lost me on that one Mar 03 06:45:08 LOL Mar 03 06:45:22 infobot, you are slacking Mar 03 06:45:23 egaudet: I think you lost me on that one Mar 03 06:45:26 SLACKER! Mar 03 06:45:31 ~botslap Mar 03 06:45:32 * infobot cowers away from rwhitby Mar 03 06:45:52 infobot, who's your daddy Mar 03 06:45:53 YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! Mar 03 06:46:12 infobot, also, zsoc is fluent in Hungarian Mar 03 06:46:14 zsoc|away: I think you lost me on that one Mar 03 06:46:25 infobot: also, zsoc is fluent in Hungarian Mar 03 06:46:26 zsoc|away: what are you talking about? Mar 03 06:46:30 .. Mar 03 06:46:31 infobot, infobot is constantly lost Mar 03 06:46:32 ...but infobot is already something else... Mar 03 06:46:38 infobot: zsoc is also fluent in Hungarian Mar 03 06:46:39 ~infobot Mar 03 06:46:40 zsoc|away: okay Mar 03 06:46:41 infobot is probably The coolest Mar 03 06:47:01 infobot: zsoc is also , and wears mc hammer pants Mar 03 06:47:02 okay, zsoc|away Mar 03 06:47:05 ~zsoc Mar 03 06:47:07 from memory, zsoc is the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. fluent in Hungarian, or , and wears mc hammer pants Mar 03 06:47:15 * zsoc|away sighs Mar 03 06:47:18 lol Mar 03 06:47:48 infobot: no, zsoc is the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. He's fluent in Hungarian, and wears mc hammer pants. Mar 03 06:47:49 infobot, infobot is also a decepticon Mar 03 06:47:50 zsoc|away: okay Mar 03 06:47:51 okay, egaudet Mar 03 06:47:57 ~zsoc Mar 03 06:47:59 zsoc is probably the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. He's fluent in Hungarian, and wears mc hammer pants. Mar 03 06:48:20 success Mar 03 06:48:54 that's a lot of bot abuse Mar 03 06:49:10 ~botsnack Mar 03 06:49:10 egaudet: :) Mar 03 06:55:37 ~botslap Mar 03 06:55:39 Hey what was that for, joshua? Mar 03 06:56:08 infobot: kick joshua Mar 03 06:56:09 * infobot kicks joshua Mar 03 06:56:46 xD Mar 03 06:57:18 infobot: kick it old school Mar 03 06:57:20 * infobot kicks it old school Mar 03 07:01:10 ~~~~~ Mar 03 07:01:11 grrrr Mar 03 07:05:23 dumb question- i used to have the freetether app, but can't find it anymore. Mar 03 07:05:30 anyone know where to snag it? Mar 03 07:07:34 i cant even get mytether to work on my pre plus Mar 03 07:08:09 poundsand: testing feeds, webos-internals Mar 03 07:08:59 sweet, thanks. Mar 03 07:41:44 anybody on? Mar 03 07:42:12 Is is safe to do a 1.4 update with apps, patches, themes installed? Mar 03 07:42:42 SomeGuy: Never Mar 03 07:43:20 I know it used to not be safe, still the case? uninstall the patches and themes first? Mar 03 07:43:45 If you installed the app via Preware (excluding MyTether Free Installer), and installed AUPT-3 patches via Preware or WebOS Quick Install 3.x, and have never installed a theme, then you're good. Mar 03 07:44:00 If you did anything other than that, then all bets are off. Mar 03 07:45:56 hummm. Installed some patches via Preware, not sure if they are AUPT-3 or not. Did install a theme.. I better just remove all the patches and themes first huh... Mar 03 07:46:18 thanks for the help... Mar 03 07:52:21 is there a good way to list installed patches/themes, remove them, and install them again later from the command line? Mar 03 07:54:04 Used `sudo ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed` but don't see themes... Mar 03 08:27:16 hi :) Mar 03 08:27:41 anyone here that could help me with the webos-internals PDK? Mar 03 08:48:46 bluetooth Mar 03 08:50:13 :) Mar 03 08:50:46 well X11 7.4 doesn't fare any better than 7.5 x.x Mar 03 08:51:08 negative result is still a result, but doesn't mean it's not frustrating Mar 03 08:52:50 once again my question: anyone here could help me with the webos-internals PDK? :) Mar 03 08:56:19 hmmm doesn´t look like :) Mar 03 08:57:01 Holliefant: if you state your specific problem someone might chime in (myself included) Mar 03 08:58:34 oh ok :) Mar 03 08:59:02 i did install a Ubuntu Karmic and now i can´ t make stage because of a missing lib Mar 03 08:59:11 libedbus is missing Mar 03 08:59:43 and not available in karmic Mar 03 09:02:59 http://webos.pastebin.com/eWiV3Msx <--- this one :) Mar 03 09:06:40 Holliefant: this is from a fresh install of the widk? or you upgrading from before....? Mar 03 09:06:53 I'm casually trying to reproduce here, we'll see how that goes Mar 03 09:06:54 fresh install Mar 03 09:07:33 sometimes the build is just broken, to be honest. all the e* stuff seems a bit fickle, and has no users yet so if you don't have it you're not missing much. Mar 03 09:07:46 we really should have a separate folder for the /essentials/ and all the cruft we add to this :). Mar 03 09:08:00 ;) Mar 03 09:08:22 so if you're comfortable, you can just move offending packages to /nonworking and go on with your life. Mar 03 09:08:54 so depending on what you want to do you can probably just work around it Mar 03 09:09:07 if i get the same error i can perhaps trace it, but else it's probably best to just say who needs edbus Mar 03 09:09:53 grep says only elementary needs it. so unless you grabbed the WIDK to see enlightenment on your device skip it Mar 03 09:09:56 sorry about that :/ Mar 03 09:10:11 ;) no problem Mar 03 09:10:25 so I just put that out of the Makefile? Mar 03 09:10:56 the directories, so if you're in the cross-compile directory: Mar 03 09:11:43 mv packages/e_dbus /nonworking Mar 03 09:11:47 that kinda deal Mar 03 09:11:52 i'd say packages/e* but you need expact Mar 03 09:11:57 s/expact/expat/ Mar 03 09:11:58 dtzWill meant: i'd say packages/e* but you need expat Mar 03 09:12:07 ok :) Mar 03 09:12:29 thx a lot Mar 03 09:12:45 I used to build the whole thing from scratch periodically but I gave up a while back due to things like this. Mar 03 09:12:47 running once again :) Mar 03 09:12:53 Holliefant: absolutely welcome Mar 03 09:13:55 fwiw, this in theory all builds on ubuntu server, per the wiki. I don't use that myself so I can't attest to how true that is, but you might have more success there Mar 03 09:14:12 so now I learned once again a lot :) I like that very much about linux :) Mar 03 09:14:23 Holliefant: well idk what caused your error, I just build the whole thing cleanly. so... who knows. if you don't need it then there you go Mar 03 09:14:29 Holliefant: sounds good, glad I could help Mar 03 09:15:06 ;) dtzWill I am glad you could help, but be aware I might come back with questions :) Mar 03 09:18:32 sure thing, lots of people here to help Mar 03 09:18:35 well.. sometimes :) Mar 03 09:27:34 Preware 0.9.29 is in the testing feed. Mar 03 09:29:46 * oil thinks rwhitby should work on feed management and cookie/db deletion instead of releasing more preware versions xD Mar 03 09:32:07 feed management is stalled in JS land, isn't it? Mar 03 09:32:24 last I tested, the confirmation window didn't pop up Mar 03 09:32:37 but dbus was seeing the launch call Mar 03 09:32:53 so I thought the ball is in your court for that one Mar 03 09:33:01 cookie/db is in my court. Mar 03 09:34:44 i thought it wasn't launching the confirmation or something Mar 03 09:34:59 from my tests (not being launched by ipkgservice) it was working Mar 03 09:41:12 just curious if anyone was working on a patch to restore pinch to zoom to the pdf and doc viewers. Mar 03 09:46:13 oil: it should be set up right now that if you call it from JS, then it will pass through and launch the confirmation. Mar 03 09:46:49 so the methods are in the service to do it? Mar 03 09:46:59 yes, the just launch the confirmation, nothing more Mar 03 09:48:08 but you're saying it doesn't launch? Mar 03 09:48:17 or the confirmation doesn't send anything back? Mar 03 09:48:21 I see the dbus launch, but the app doesn't launch Mar 03 09:48:41 or maybe it didn't launch with the right screen or something Mar 03 09:49:23 but the code is in the service to launch, and also to accept the confirmation. the service does everything except actually create or delete the files. all interactions with the app are in place Mar 03 09:55:06 oil: searching descriptions is pretty cool. faster than I expected too Mar 03 09:55:18 i never tested it on device Mar 03 09:55:38 well, it's in the testing feed now :-) Mar 03 09:55:58 if its good enough, we might just make it the only option Mar 03 09:56:06 or maybe just have it default to on Mar 03 09:56:39 well, it's not super fast for a big list, just faster than I expected ;-) Mar 03 09:57:01 lol Mar 03 09:57:31 so preware search is now better than app catalog search? Mar 03 10:02:35 oil: BTW, is there a bug where completely empty feeds causes an error in the list of everything? Mar 03 10:08:31 ah, I just found a test case for the deinstall bug Mar 03 10:09:48 oil: Status: deinstall user installed Mar 03 10:11:23 sorry, was afk Mar 03 10:11:31 i think preware is now on par with catalog search Mar 03 10:11:40 i think they already searched the descriptions Mar 03 10:11:50 pushing desinstall fix Mar 03 10:12:06 as far as a bug with empty list Mar 03 10:12:06 idk Mar 03 10:12:32 yeah, I can't see it either. some poster posted something about it. Mar 03 10:12:47 so whats deinstall? Mar 03 10:12:57 same as not-installed Mar 03 10:13:04 (it seems) Mar 03 10:13:34 it causes two entries for the same package in the status file Mar 03 10:13:45 and then causes the package to always say it needs an update Mar 03 10:18:33 hmm - looks like we need to actually completely ignore info for any package with deinstall or not-installed Mar 03 10:19:21 i feel like 1.4 emulator is very fast. is this because the changes in os or just mem=256 removed? Mar 03 10:20:28 rwhitby, yeah Mar 03 10:23:05 oil: so I'd filter that out in loadPackage instead of infoLoad ? Mar 03 10:24:32 yeah, loadPackage is where you would put and if statement and skip loading it Mar 03 10:25:43 I'm pretty sure I can skip it there, and then not bother checking in infoLoad Mar 03 10:26:58 yeah Mar 03 10:27:11 check the packageObj passed to it Mar 03 10:27:21 if (newPkg.Status && (newPkg.Status.include('not-installed') || newPkg.Status.include('deinstall'))) Mar 03 10:27:28 and skip adding it to the packages array if status has it Mar 03 10:27:37 i would do it before that Mar 03 10:27:48 you shouldn't even need to do newPkg = new packageModel Mar 03 10:28:06 ah, should I filter paid apps before as well? Mar 03 10:28:06 you already have the data in packageObj.status Mar 03 10:28:09 is the status text Mar 03 10:28:20 we're filtering all paid apps now? Mar 03 10:28:29 it's a preference Mar 03 10:28:33 ah Mar 03 10:29:01 if ((prefs.get().onlyShowFree) && (newPkg.price != undefined) && (newPkg.price != "0") && (newPkg.price != "0.00")) Mar 03 10:33:16 ok, moved them both before Mar 03 10:36:38 yep, that fixed it Mar 03 10:37:16 updated 0.9.29 in the testing feed Mar 03 10:38:30 oil: I like that you can basically start Preware and start something else and preware will load in the background Mar 03 10:38:50 it's pretty robust in that respect now Mar 03 10:38:54 and its got the little message letting you know when its done :) Mar 03 10:39:30 we should pop up some built-in game while Preware is loading Mar 03 10:39:32 anyone else having issues with google maps? it keeps telling me that i need a data connection Mar 03 10:39:48 but everything else is able to access the internet fine Mar 03 10:40:13 google maps does need a data connection Mar 03 10:40:33 "google maps requires an internet connection" Mar 03 10:40:43 when the phone has an internet connection Mar 03 10:40:55 evdo or wifi both get me that error Mar 03 10:41:14 what 3 minute addictive game could we include in Preware to play while it's loading feeds? Mar 03 10:41:30 that color game that is in the homebrew Mar 03 10:41:43 lol Mar 03 10:41:43 no game Mar 03 10:41:48 color puzzle Mar 03 10:41:59 haha or pocket party Mar 03 10:42:19 or that funny endless "babes" app Mar 03 10:42:38 hmm... load this up in the pre: http://bit.ly/cvATib Mar 03 10:42:43 "select your category of pictures to show while Preware is loading" Mar 03 10:42:57 have you tried the endless "babes" app? Mar 03 10:42:59 joshua: *not* going to click that. guessing it's a famous internet picture Mar 03 10:43:02 it is a great joke Mar 03 10:43:37 its an html5 video test that sorta works Mar 03 10:43:49 rwhitby, Mar 03 10:43:51 2010-03-03T10:41:52.047470Z [32498] qemux86 user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: errorCode: ErrorGenericMethodException Mar 03 10:43:51 2010-03-03T10:41:52.048418Z [32498] qemux86 user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: errorText: Service Method Exception: org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["enabled"] is not a Boolean. Mar 03 10:44:00 if you get the video centered right you can watch it Mar 03 10:44:03 wait Mar 03 10:44:06 ignore that Mar 03 10:44:18 forgot to change method Mar 03 10:44:39 the overlay must not be working correctly. doesn't scroll right Mar 03 10:44:56 and the play/pause tracker interface doesn't show up Mar 03 10:45:17 rwhitby, is addConfig a subscription? Mar 03 10:46:48 oh wow, it does work. just took a minute to start playback Mar 03 10:47:21 oil: same as install and remove Mar 03 10:47:35 so.. .yes? Mar 03 10:47:38 yes Mar 03 10:48:04 same for delete? Mar 03 10:48:46 yep Mar 03 10:49:02 you'll get a stage:completed, or an errorCode and stage:failed Mar 03 10:49:05 2010-03-03T10:47:45.023597Z [32862] qemux86 user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: returnValue: true Mar 03 10:49:05 2010-03-03T10:47:45.023950Z [32862] qemux86 user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: returnVal: 0 Mar 03 10:49:05 2010-03-03T10:47:45.024381Z [32862] qemux86 user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: stage: completed Mar 03 10:49:19 but it doesn't appear to have added anything Mar 03 10:49:32 right, it writes no files yet Mar 03 10:49:39 does the confirmation work? Mar 03 10:49:44 yeah Mar 03 10:49:50 oh, did you change anything? Mar 03 10:49:55 no Mar 03 10:50:03 just made the form in the feed management call the right method Mar 03 10:50:08 ill clean it up a bit and push Mar 03 10:50:12 ok Mar 03 10:50:15 however, delete asks for a url? Mar 03 10:50:19 what if there is multiple? Mar 03 10:50:50 I think the url is superfluous for delete Mar 03 10:50:58 ok Mar 03 10:51:27 so I'll take it out of the launch params Mar 03 10:51:42 wait Mar 03 10:51:45 it just wants config, right? Mar 03 10:51:50 technically it could have multiple names Mar 03 10:52:34 it only uses config, name is just something to show to the user Mar 03 10:52:56 I've been considering that we should have a comment line as the first line in config files with a human readable Feed name Mar 03 10:53:04 and use that instead Mar 03 10:53:22 well, lets get this working :) Mar 03 10:55:38 yeah Mar 03 10:55:49 so just use the first name in the config file Mar 03 10:56:06 bbiab (kids to bed) Mar 03 11:03:05 ok, pushed changes to the config management page Mar 03 11:03:26 it now calls add when you click the button, and delete when you swipe a feed away Mar 03 11:03:48 its not complete obv Mar 03 11:04:09 still gotta make it actuallyuse the compressed toggle, and make sure they dont put illegal chars in the name field Mar 03 11:18:17 are folks in general encountering instability in Luna after the 1.4 update ? Mar 03 11:22:52 well im hittin the sack Mar 03 11:23:02 at least we're one step closer to getting out of that 0.9.x hole Mar 03 11:28:38 Someone finally found the easter egg I hid in the feeds. Mar 03 12:14:05 is there anything known to somehow block the update to 1.4 ? Mar 03 12:24:27 bhuey: I have the feeling that mine is a bit more instabile but I'm not sure until now Mar 03 12:35:38 how can it be that in the webos-internal PDK there is a libSDL_gfx and in my pre not? The app I tried compiling needs that one and it compiles ok Mar 03 12:36:43 hmm maybe I´m doing everythink wrong again :) Mar 03 12:51:14 It looks like SDL_gfx might not be a part of regular SDL Mar 03 12:51:26 ah ok Mar 03 12:51:38 then that app wont work :) Mar 03 12:51:48 there a terminal app for webos? Mar 03 12:52:09 audiofx, yes but it's broken afaik Mar 03 12:52:25 ah Mar 03 12:52:32 no way to use wget? Mar 03 12:52:35 terminus works to me Mar 03 12:52:47 Holliefant, terminus works but terminal don't Mar 03 12:54:13 just want to run wget to try manually installing an app Mar 03 13:21:00 audiofx: you can use wget and ipkg. make sure you know to use -o /media/cryptofs/apps and to set IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT when manually running the prerm and postinst scripts (which are required). Mar 03 13:21:14 If that's all too hard, just use Preware or WebOS Quick Install. Mar 03 13:23:09 FYI: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9923414195 Mar 03 13:31:01 umm. sprint.tar has a ipk called sweatshop Mar 03 13:31:07 alarming? Mar 03 13:32:24 nah, they're just putting those bits to work for you .. 24/7 Mar 03 13:34:38 i wonder what does that sweatshop does Mar 03 13:35:43 open it up and unravel the mysteries Mar 03 13:36:13 is it installed but just hidden? after 1.4 update? Mar 03 13:36:31 it's in the doctor .. crack it open Mar 03 13:36:33 this is in 1.3.5 webosdoctor Mar 03 13:36:39 oh Mar 03 13:36:44 i'm digging around the mobilehotspot stuff Mar 03 13:36:46 i;m too lazy to do it Mar 03 13:36:50 =) Mar 03 13:38:01 you have to figure out how to tell the pre to disable the modem NAI if you want to use mobile hot spot on sprint .. plus hex edit the binary for mobilehotspotd Mar 03 13:38:44 well I was just going to replace the mobilehotspod binary with the 1.3.5 Mar 03 13:39:08 wonder why palm decided to start it as a service instead of using upstart Mar 03 13:39:23 go for it Mar 03 13:40:01 not doing it at 5:39am Mar 03 13:40:07 =) Mar 03 13:40:10 but later. Mar 03 13:40:30 whoops Mar 03 13:44:57 Verizon suffering 'nationwide' data outage Mar 03 13:44:58 hehe Mar 03 13:45:10 there was tmobile now its Verizon Mar 03 14:06:33 jhojho: all the carrier customisation tars have a sweatshop ipkg Mar 03 14:14:16 rwhitby: not surprised. more amusing about the naming than anything Mar 03 14:22:26 hi all Mar 03 14:22:33 please help Mar 03 14:22:51 how to recover some files with WebOSDoctor? Mar 03 14:23:07 I don't need recover all system, only some files Mar 03 14:44:33 rwhitby: here's are my thoughts on the free apps "dilemma" Mar 03 14:45:00 allow devs to opt in. (definitely not opt-out) Mar 03 14:45:28 jhojho: Palm has already opted them all in. Mar 03 14:45:38 regardless of what users want, the apps are the IP of developers Mar 03 14:45:49 rwhitby: not necessarily by choice Mar 03 14:46:11 jhojho: there is no secret information or decryption happening here - it's all public information and the downloads are happening from servers that Palm controls. Mar 03 14:46:52 I know. but most users dont know enough or are motivated enough to grep and grok the raw feed Mar 03 14:47:43 devs already have the chance to opt-in, by marking their apps for all countries. Mar 03 14:48:00 Shura0 -- that's not what webosDoctor does. Mar 03 14:48:13 Shura0 what is it you needs. Mar 03 14:48:29 my calendar is broken Mar 03 14:48:38 i need restore original calendar files Mar 03 14:48:51 rwhitby: are you saying that all the apps not available in non-us app catalogs are due to devs opting out? Mar 03 14:49:24 i seem to remember some discussion where there was confusion if devs checked that off during submission on the palm dev forums. Mar 03 14:49:28 Shura0 -- in what way is it broken, and what is it you want to do? Mar 03 14:49:41 jhojho: no, they are not available due to devs not opting in (which is different from opting out) Mar 03 14:50:22 doh I meant not opting in. need sleep Mar 03 14:51:41 in any case, my preference is that IP be respected (even though it may be stupid). as you said, the information is out there. the truely determined will still find their way. (kinda like the 600mhz patches =) Mar 03 14:51:49 yeah, I'm off to sleep now myself. I'll be checking my inbox with interest later this morning :-) Mar 03 14:52:17 my $0.02 Mar 03 14:52:28 out Mar 03 14:52:37 jhojho: to be clear, ipkg.preware.org does not host, proxy or redistribute any IP for which we do not have the rights to do so. Mar 03 14:52:44 Rick_work, I can't create new event. See screenshot http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3811/shura0.1/0_397f6_6c640c5c_orig Mar 03 14:52:58 Rick_work, end date is broken Mar 03 14:53:05 rwhitby: i'm very aware of that. Mar 03 14:53:32 So the question is whether Palm intends to restrict the distribution of the IP or not. Mar 03 14:54:12 but like I said, the truly determined will find out how to get the ipks regardless so my opinion is there's no point in making that easier, plenty of other things to do =) just saying. Mar 03 14:54:20 Shura0 ok, so at this point you don't know if you have a corrupt program, or corrupt data. Mar 03 14:54:35 rwhitby: well if there is continual abuse, i'm willing to bet yes. Mar 03 14:54:53 Rick_work, yes, I don.' know Mar 03 14:55:17 night all Mar 03 14:55:23 Shura0 -- if you doctor, it will fix the problem if it is a program error. Mar 03 14:55:23 have not checked for sure but I would not be surprised that akamai can restrict based on IP Mar 03 14:55:40 Rick_work, but all old event are normal, nothing corrupts Mar 03 14:55:44 night rwhitby Mar 03 14:55:47 If that doesn't fix it, then you will need to do a full erase, make sure you back up all your data first. Mar 03 14:55:49 laterz Mar 03 14:55:59 Shura0 that's what makes me think it's a program problem Mar 03 14:56:16 ok, how can I make full backup? Mar 03 14:56:47 is your calendar attached to google or some other on-line calendar system? Mar 03 14:57:22 attached to google, but I create new event in palm account Mar 03 14:58:11 Rick_work, oh, no. It's attached to facebook, not google Mar 03 14:58:26 CALENDAR is attached to facebook? Mar 03 14:58:35 I didn't know facebook had a calendar. Mar 03 14:59:32 well, if it was me, I would make a google calendar account for just long enough to do this, set it as primary, ensure that the data has gotten backed up to there, and then, do a full erase on the phone. Mar 03 14:59:35 it does Mar 03 15:00:16 Rick_work, I don't understand. Do you mean backup of calendar or full backup? Mar 03 15:00:28 is it possible to doctor calendar only? Mar 03 15:01:18 Wooooo!! Mar 03 15:01:39 I've made calendar synk and it's restored!!! Mar 03 15:01:57 Rick_work, thank you! Mar 03 15:02:42 good! It is -not- possible to doctor only the calendar. Doctor does everything. Mar 03 15:04:28 I was trying to set up ssh using the key on my pre but I am getting a permissions denied error. any thoughts? Mar 03 15:05:34 I am not using putty I am actually using the ssh command in the terminal, I did an ssh-add id_rsa. and it allows me to put in the passphrase then it give me a permission denied Mar 03 15:05:47 Rick_work, thank you Mar 03 15:09:00 elpollodiablo1, I have the same issu Mar 03 15:10:05 shura0 get any input on why this is happening or how to fix it? Mar 03 15:10:10 month ago I setup ssh sucessfully, but after full reset can't remember what I made. Mar 03 15:10:22 elpollodiablo1 -- Sorry can't help with that one. Mar 03 15:11:18 elpollodiablo1, use novaterm Mar 03 15:13:41 shura0: lol thanks, I am planning on setting up ssh over edvo so I dont have to be at my local desktop or have the cable to access my phone. I have been using novaterm for things untill I can get connected to ssh Mar 03 15:16:20 elpollodiablo1, have you created file /etc/shells? Mar 03 15:17:02 good morning.. and BBL Mar 03 15:17:17 seems that cancel button in kick reason box in wirc isn't working. luckily back swift do it job perfectly Mar 03 15:17:34 Shura0: not that I know of, I am not really sure what you are asking Mar 03 15:19:25 have you read this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Mar 03 15:20:31 oh, no. It's wrong article Mar 03 15:22:11 I followed this for the most part http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Mar 03 15:24:35 I tried to follow this too, but unsuccessfull Mar 03 15:27:43 I set ssh the manual way a long time ago, before they had it in preware. but I removed that and installed it through preware the other day. hopefully someone else has some input for us. Mar 03 15:55:20 heh, it just told me that app catalog was not a valid webos application Mar 03 16:25:15 is lunasysmgr crashing a known problem? Mar 03 16:25:58 LunaSysMgr.19527: Caught signal 11 Mar 03 16:33:12 I was trying to setup ssh using the key on my pre but I am getting a permissions denied error. any thoughts?I am not using putty I am actually using the ssh command in the terminal to connect, I did an ssh-add id_rsa and it now allows me to enter the passphrase then it give me permission denied Mar 03 16:33:35 did u sudo? Mar 03 16:33:57 sudo ssh Mar 03 16:34:05 ? Mar 03 16:34:52 er i got the whole thing wrong Mar 03 16:34:56 I didnt try that, but that should not be required, should it? I never had to use sudo before. Mar 03 16:35:07 my bad Mar 03 16:35:20 anyone is using splashid? Mar 03 16:37:55 zsoc_wirc, do u use splashid? Mar 03 16:38:11 try ssh -vv ... to get more information Mar 03 16:39:01 en0x: heck no Mar 03 16:39:08 why not? :( Mar 03 16:39:14 i'm looking for somebody who uses it Mar 03 17:09:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Mar 03 17:47:17 hi all. Mar 03 17:47:43 I have something interesting happening on my pre Mar 03 17:48:56 I have no CPU patches installed only the new/delete page patch as my pre froze up and I had to use webos dr. Mar 03 17:49:11 I ran this command in terminus: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state Mar 03 17:51:17 tis was the result: 600000 12378 550000 2345 500000 39324 250000 0 125000 0 Mar 03 17:51:52 im Mar 03 17:51:57 I have no patches installed for cpu's. Why is it saying 60000 and 55000 is being used? Mar 03 17:52:56 hey, dieter joined the channel Mar 03 17:54:41 so is sculing installed on 1.4? Mar 03 17:54:42 scaling* Mar 03 17:56:16 +oil: do you know what's going on? Mar 03 17:56:38 no clue, or i would have commented on it already Mar 03 17:57:12 imop45_: lunasysmgr sets cpu freq to 600MHz when running SDL apps Mar 03 17:57:14 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/massage-it Mar 03 17:57:18 dunno about the 550 Mar 03 17:57:21 has to be the ugliest app i've seen in a while Mar 03 17:57:44 SDL apps? Mar 03 17:59:22 the apps that aren't javascript Mar 03 18:04:34 games Mar 03 18:04:49 he quit Mar 03 18:35:49 hi Mar 03 18:36:20 ho Mar 03 18:45:36 heyho Mar 03 19:26:58 how to acces the beta-feed of webos-internals? Mar 03 19:29:38 ~testing-feed Mar 03 19:29:40 testing-feed is, like, a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Mar 03 19:32:41 thx destinal-home, thx infobot Mar 03 19:32:51 ~danke dir Mar 03 19:50:05 I like the new tagline I noticed in preware today, "we know palm loves preware" Mar 03 19:50:25 :) Mar 03 19:51:35 * mjkjr|wirc thinks it was pretty clever Mar 03 19:52:30 there is a number of random taglines Mar 03 19:52:37 anyone here with a verizon pre? Mar 03 19:52:38 8 of them actually Mar 03 19:53:02 but the palm one is weighted pretty low Mar 03 19:53:25 oil, I always look at them, I've never noticed that one. Mar 03 19:53:46 that one is like a 1 in 50 chance Mar 03 19:54:17 it may ruin the fun, but the main-assistant.js on the git repo lists them all at the top Mar 03 19:54:17 lol Mar 03 19:55:14 only 8? Mar 03 19:55:17 I used WOQI to remove my Device-Menu patch and it hung, now in preware it was as not installed, even if it was still in the menu, now I reinstalled, without error, strange Mar 03 19:55:18 i thought there were a lot more Mar 03 19:55:27 * FuMan just realized he can help develop preware O_o Mar 03 19:55:28 I'm going to go check them out then Mar 03 19:56:58 9 times out of 10 I get one saying advanced homebrew installer or one about random taglines being awesome Mar 03 19:57:10 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=337880f218b4f5f88e1558345cae96d19b617e9a;hb=HEAD Mar 03 19:59:01 now with more cowbell lol Mar 03 20:01:46 lol this is nice Mar 03 20:02:31 i called sprint and I spoke with some lady and she was able to resolve my issue and then she said can you hold so I can get my supervisor so she will make double sure if I resolved your issue Mar 03 20:04:36 you must be a "premier" customer lol Mar 03 20:04:56 this preware has supercow powers Mar 03 20:05:31 mjkjr|wirc, i am Mar 03 20:05:48 SPOILZ oil Mar 03 20:05:56 hey, you didn't have to click it Mar 03 20:06:08 i seem to get the cowbell one a lot Mar 03 20:06:12 i feel fancy, based on rarity Mar 03 20:07:25 it should say "preware better than crowbar" :D Mar 03 20:08:52 "YouView Now Supports Google Voice!" oh nice Mar 03 20:10:17 en0x: I've been testing it out Mar 03 20:11:20 * mjkjr|wirc isn't sure what he thinks yet though Mar 03 20:12:56 en0x: what aws your issue? Mar 03 20:12:59 was* Mar 03 20:13:00 how about adding "This preware has Super Cow Powers."? Mar 03 20:13:17 that makes no sense Mar 03 20:13:32 ok, I have a temp fix for jstop Mar 03 20:13:35 lol Mar 03 20:13:41 I embedded the stylesheet in the index.html Mar 03 20:13:43 and that works Mar 03 20:13:59 azakus, i figured that would work Mar 03 20:14:04 azakus, nice work Mar 03 20:15:16 I'll release 0.1.0 as that Mar 03 20:15:27 won't install patch Mar 03 20:16:12 swisstomcat: It doesn't have super cow powers, because it's ipkg based not apt on dpkg based. Mar 03 20:16:25 oh well :) Mar 03 20:16:41 en0x: What's your issue? Mar 03 20:16:58 azakus, so update through preware soon? :-) Mar 03 20:17:01 what animal uses ipkg? Mar 03 20:17:40 swisstomcat: Dunno, maybe kittens? Mar 03 20:18:12 super kitten powers? Mar 03 20:18:27 super penguin powers Mar 03 20:18:35 Maybe. But I'd expect that to mean that it's adorably cute. Mar 03 20:18:51 Mercury, oh some roaming crap Mar 03 20:18:57 now i know why adora likes kittens Mar 03 20:19:16 + on super penguin powers Mar 03 20:19:53 shall i add it? :) Mar 03 20:19:57 the thing that I dont like is that you can send/receive txt messages while out of USA :( Mar 03 20:20:09 s/can/can't/ Mar 03 20:20:09 en0x meant: the thing that I dont like is that you can't send/receive txt messages while out of USA :( Mar 03 20:20:44 mjkjr|wirc: soon Mar 03 20:20:45 swisstomcat, most definitely Mar 03 20:20:56 do i have to ask anyone? Mar 03 20:20:56 * Mousey makes his phone say dirty things Mar 03 20:21:07 Hi. I have some problems installing and updating software from the Palm app catalog. I thought I read that there was a database file to delete somewhere to fix this? Anyone remember what that was? Mar 03 20:21:39 i never heard of doing anything like that zonyl Mar 03 20:21:54 zonyl, did you just dr, or update? Mar 03 20:21:55 * mjkjr|wirc wishes his phone could say dirty things Mar 03 20:22:13 en0x: I seem to remember there was a cache somewhere in /var/palm/data that gets corrupt Mar 03 20:22:23 * en0x is setting up a cron job to send email to adobe every 5 minutes asking where is flash plugin for palm pre Mar 03 20:23:58 FuMan: I did the OTA update Mar 03 20:24:30 FuMan: It was happening before the last update, just hadnt gotten around to looking into it Mar 03 20:25:00 there is that weird pkg bloat issue Mar 03 20:25:07 that the newest package manager service Mar 03 20:25:09 in the testing feed Mar 03 20:25:12 checks/fixes on reboot Mar 03 20:25:31 i havent dr.'d my phone since launch day, but Im guessing now is the time. Mar 03 20:25:45 FuMan: Ill install that and give it a shot. Mar 03 20:25:57 i doctored mine few times since lauynch day ;D Mar 03 20:26:00 1.4 dr is out, might as well Mar 03 20:26:04 do i need permission to add a new tagline to preware? Mar 03 20:26:09 remember, full stock is full erase + dr Mar 03 20:26:18 can anyone push changes to the git? Mar 03 20:26:23 FuMan: it doesnt whip /media/internal right? Mar 03 20:26:28 zonyl, nope Mar 03 20:26:32 well, full erase does Mar 03 20:26:35 dr doesnt Mar 03 20:26:36 I thought that was released lastnight? 0.9.38 Mar 03 20:26:48 was it? thought it was still testing feed Mar 03 20:27:09 dr doesnt hit /var at all either though Mar 03 20:27:13 so probably best to backup /internal Mar 03 20:27:17 and go balls to the wall on it Mar 03 20:28:01 Got to remember my Palm profile password ;) Mar 03 20:28:50 FuMan, I thought I read it in the changelog when I updated lastnight, I could be mistaken Mar 03 20:32:51 indeed Mar 03 20:32:54 just got the update Mar 03 20:33:08 i bet that could help zonyl though Mar 03 20:38:43 yeah hopefully so Mar 03 20:48:46 oh bell released 1.4 finally? Mar 03 20:50:45 DieterBohn was here (briefly)? Mar 03 20:51:54 yeah, i saw him .. but he was silent Mar 03 20:51:55 is there a changelog for webos? Mar 03 20:52:07 yeah Mar 03 20:52:09 for 1.4? Mar 03 20:52:09 draeath, on palm.com/support Mar 03 20:52:31 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1588&Itemid=55 Mar 03 20:52:44 How about http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/02/whats-new-in-palm-webos-14.html and http://www.palm.com/us/products/software/update/index.html Mar 03 20:52:45 ty Mar 03 20:53:15 well thats a joy, seems someone is playing with my DNS - i must not be getting your google :P Mar 03 20:53:24 deal with that later heh Mar 03 20:53:57 Anyone had a chance to test out Flash any? Mar 03 20:54:14 adobe i guess Mar 03 20:54:15 ;) Mar 03 20:54:22 heh Mar 03 20:54:46 who wants to break into adobe! Mar 03 20:54:54 *grabs crowbar* Mar 03 20:55:11 I find it interesting there's an adobe flash 10 on here. Hrmm... Adobe Flash on ARM eh?\ Mar 03 20:55:17 * draeath goes .so hunting Mar 03 21:04:33 ARM7 Mar 03 21:21:27 ll Mar 03 21:22:03 hi Mar 03 21:22:21 FuMan: I upgrade the package manager and now Preware is stuck at "Fixing Unknown Packages 19 of 26" for the last half and hou. Mar 03 21:22:47 * Mousey wonders why preware always has an arbitrary number of unknown packages to fix up Mar 03 21:23:19 * Mousey wonders why preware is stuck on fixing 109 of 124 unknown packages Mar 03 21:23:36 * Mousey waits patiently. maybe it's REALLY REALLY broken Mar 03 21:24:16 * halfhalo gives Mousey cheese as a consolidation prize Mar 03 21:24:28 ~hug Mousey Mar 03 21:24:29 * infobot sneaks up on Mousey and suddenly hugs Mousey tightly Mar 03 21:25:21 eee! Mar 03 21:25:46 ~hug infobot Mar 03 21:25:48 * infobot hugs infobot Mar 03 21:26:08 fail Mar 03 21:26:21 ~ASL Mar 03 21:26:22 Old enough, yes please, my place. Mar 03 21:26:25 ^_^ Mar 03 21:26:33 lol Mar 03 21:27:08 haven't seen that one before Mar 03 21:29:26 What does "fixing unknown packages" mean? Are these in dpkg cache that dont line up with any of the feeds? Mar 03 21:30:56 I guess it just makes alist of them Mar 03 21:31:23 Where exactly does the adobe flashplayer live now? I assumed (and failed to find in) the official app catalog Mar 03 21:31:35 waiting (impatiently) for my feeds to update. Mar 03 21:31:45 "fixing unknown packages" just gets package info from packages that aren't on the feeds Mar 03 21:32:03 jstop 0.1.0 pushed Mar 03 21:33:20 azakus, THANKS! Mar 03 21:33:38 works now in 1.4? Mar 03 21:33:46 wootles Mar 03 21:33:50 yes Mar 03 21:33:51 fixed mobile hotspot on my sprint pre Mar 03 21:33:55 IN YOUR FACE PALM Mar 03 21:33:56 thanks azakus Mar 03 21:33:58 azakus: cool, thx Mar 03 21:34:21 hopefully I can put the css back where it belongs in webos 1.4.1 Mar 03 21:34:37 lol Mar 03 21:34:43 I essentially did a cat stylesheets/jstop.css >> index.html Mar 03 21:34:46 did they broke CSS? Mar 03 21:34:55 MetaView: for things with "js" in the appId Mar 03 21:35:04 strange Mar 03 21:35:06 indeed Mar 03 21:35:13 somebody's vendor id has js in the name Mar 03 21:35:14 yeah, read about that problem Mar 03 21:35:16 they're boned Mar 03 21:35:42 * MetaView is glad not to have js in the appid Mar 03 21:37:07 Huh. I can't find flashplayer. Was the 'changelog' wrong then? Mar 03 21:37:14 if nokia was really -actually- cool, i wouldn't have abandoned them Mar 03 21:37:28 wait Mar 03 21:37:29 flashplayer? Mar 03 21:37:32 do elaborate Mar 03 21:37:43 I thought 1.4 was supposed to make Adobe flash 10 beta available Mar 03 21:37:46 lol Mar 03 21:37:47 oh Mar 03 21:37:59 yah, i don't think so? Mar 03 21:38:07 i know there's a beta floating around Mar 03 21:38:16 but i donno how/where to get it installed Mar 03 21:38:17 it makes the "foundations" for flash 10 beta available Mar 03 21:38:39 i wish someone could port microb, then we could just use flash9 from maemo Mar 03 21:38:41 oooh: This release includes support for the Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta plugin. Note that the plugin is a standalone app that will be available in App Catalog. Mar 03 21:38:44 I see it Mar 03 21:38:52 _will_ be available Mar 03 21:38:55 doesn't say when Mar 03 21:38:57 ^_^ Mar 03 21:39:43 <3 u mobile hotspot Mar 03 21:39:46 * draeath cowers in fear of the Chicken Mar 03 21:40:14 the dread chicken roberts? Mar 03 21:40:27 Buckbert. Mar 03 21:40:37 the dread chicken buckbert Mar 03 21:40:50 lol say that 5 times fast and prepare to be innapropriate Mar 03 21:41:05 * Mousey succeeds without apparent mishap Mar 03 21:42:46 Don't make me 'hug' you Mousey :D Mar 03 21:42:55 <_< Mar 03 21:42:56 >_> Mar 03 21:43:02 quick, nobody's looking! Mar 03 21:47:36 ~hug Mousey Mar 03 21:47:37 * infobot sneaks up on Mousey and suddenly hugs Mousey tightly Mar 03 21:47:47 ;) Mar 03 21:47:51 eek1 Mar 03 21:47:53 1=! Mar 03 21:48:43 * oil didnt know infobot was a homo Mar 03 21:49:09 now you know Mar 03 21:49:13 and knowing is half the battle Mar 03 21:49:28 oil: scroll back and you find infobot is a bit of a narcissist too :) Mar 03 21:49:48 ~infobot Mar 03 21:49:50 well, infobot is The coolest, or a decepticon Mar 03 21:49:50 16:25 * infobot hugs infobot Mar 03 21:50:36 you should "/msg infobot help" :D Mar 03 21:54:33 ~lart draeath Mar 03 21:54:38 ...oops Mar 03 21:54:45 sorry ^^ Mar 03 21:54:57 YOU BROKE IT Mar 03 21:55:04 sarry!! Mar 03 21:55:05 * Mousey cowers! Mar 03 21:55:11 * oil sends mousey to his room Mar 03 21:56:34 what happened to infobot? Mar 03 21:56:47 mousey broke it Mar 03 21:56:51 =( Mar 03 21:56:57 :-| Mar 03 21:57:02 you pissed him off Mar 03 21:57:19 apparently it's not polite to lart people who aren't here Mar 03 21:57:29 issue, needs reproducing >_> Mar 03 21:57:38 you larted someone who wasn't here? Mar 03 21:57:45 [13:53] <-- draeath (~pbransfor@unaffiliated/draeath) has left #webos-internals Mar 03 21:57:45 [13:54] ~lart draeath Mar 03 21:57:47 sigh. now infobot went looking for him Mar 03 21:57:48 i didn't see him leave Mar 03 21:58:14 and now we have a curious cat looking for the bot Mar 03 21:58:20 uh oh Mar 03 21:58:25 * Mousey hides in his room Mar 03 21:58:35 fetch the mouse! Mar 03 21:59:10 re! Mar 03 21:59:13 I brought him back Mar 03 21:59:14 !lart swisstomcat Mar 03 21:59:21 now play nice! Mar 03 21:59:30 =/ Mar 03 21:59:37 keep forgetting it's ~ Mar 03 21:59:46 hi infobot Mar 03 21:59:50 infobot: hi Mar 03 21:59:51 hello, mousey Mar 03 21:59:53 infobot: ignore Mousey Mar 03 21:59:54 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Mousey!" Mar 03 21:59:58 omg! Mar 03 22:00:03 ~lart jacques Mar 03 22:00:03 * infobot eats jacques's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti Mar 03 22:00:07 ^_^ Mar 03 22:00:14 :-\ Mar 03 22:00:25 that was brutal Mar 03 22:00:34 * Mousey gives jacques his half eaten liver back Mar 03 22:00:44 mmmm, liver Mar 03 22:01:34 uh Mar 03 22:01:42 lmao Mar 03 22:02:27 :) Mar 03 22:02:36 you're in trouble, mousey Mar 03 22:02:45 clearly Mar 03 22:03:03 * Mousey uncrates the anti-cat ordinance Mar 03 22:03:07 * swisstomcat chases hungrycat away with a broom Mar 03 22:03:20 there you go Mar 03 22:03:22 ^_^ Mar 03 22:03:40 g'night everyone Mar 03 22:04:53 nite Mar 03 22:20:04 hmm Mar 03 22:20:16 second time since 1.4 update my pre rebooted byitself Mar 03 22:20:22 i meen luna restarted Mar 03 22:20:25 mean* Mar 03 22:20:48 en0x: you didn't try to run terminal did you? Mar 03 22:20:58 nope it was charging on touchstone Mar 03 22:23:47 has anyone looked into the problems with Terminal yet? Mar 03 22:28:59 just updated jstop, thank you azakus! Mar 03 22:30:12 who here has downloaded 3d games and if so, which? Mar 03 22:32:27 NFS Mar 03 22:32:38 Duke3D, but it doesn't download Mar 03 22:32:47 but it's my fault Mar 03 22:32:48 any of the x-planes are pretty sweet Mar 03 22:33:06 i havent played it yet but i hear Mar 03 22:33:11 assissins creed is pretty good Mar 03 22:33:17 assassins* Mar 03 22:33:34 rwhitby: ping Mar 03 22:34:44 duke, but I can't play it on pixi. still installed though, wishful thinking... Mar 03 22:35:52 assassins creed on pre? Mar 03 22:36:22 yes Mar 03 22:37:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpoWK4aphA Mar 03 22:37:06 ^--gameplay Mar 03 22:44:00 maybe i will doctor my pre Mar 03 22:44:05 Hey, I am having some problems with Preware since upgrading to 1.4, and was wondering if anybody here could help me. I've tried everything I could think of to get it to work, but nothing has helped. Mar 03 22:45:47 looks like Prince of Persia Mar 03 22:47:33 roninj: explain please :) Mar 03 22:50:05 I installed myTether and was having problems with the system, so I performed an EPR and then ran Web OS doctor to reflash the firmware. After that, I installed Preware and the Package Manager Service using WOSQI, but when I ran Preware, it didn't work correctly. It loaded up most of the feeds, but whenever I pushed a button to install something, the buttons themselves did absolutely nothing. I uninstalled and reinstalled P Mar 03 22:50:44 but the problem is still there. I am not sure what else to do at this point. Mar 03 22:50:53 what version of WOSQI? Mar 03 22:50:58 still surprising that they don't compile for the different arm Mar 03 22:50:59 3.02 Mar 03 22:51:00 for the pixi games Mar 03 22:52:29 Then, I tried using the full erase reset option, and then reinstalled Package Manager and Preware again, but still the same problem. Mar 03 22:53:17 Tapping "install" does nothing? Mar 03 22:53:19 All feeds load in Preware, except for the Patches feed, which returns a 404 site not found error. Mar 03 22:53:21 Yeah Mar 03 22:53:59 what versions of preware and package manager service are installed? Mar 03 22:54:17 what is the url for the patches feed (app menu -> manage feeds) Mar 03 22:54:30 Preware is .9.28 Mar 03 22:54:52 And the package manager is .9.38 Mar 03 22:55:53 patches is ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.1.0 Mar 03 22:56:52 And the error message is Comand failed with return value 1 Mar 03 22:58:16 And in case its relevant, it is a Pre on Sprint. Mar 03 22:58:35 Match state to area code patch not updating or removing for me. Mar 03 22:59:20 roninj, what version of webos u have? 1.4? the feed is wrong for 1.4 it should be 1.4.0 not 1.1.0 Mar 03 22:59:43 Yeah, I'm using 1.4 Mar 03 23:00:21 are you sure you are using 1.4? Mar 03 23:00:28 reinstall package manager service Mar 03 23:00:41 Eguy: remove other phone patches first Mar 03 23:01:03 Wow. I just chedked and it said 1.1 Mar 03 23:01:14 egaudet_work: I don't have any phone patches installed. Mar 03 23:01:17 I just redownloaded the doctor too, but I must have run an old one Mar 03 23:01:27 That would definitely explain quite a lot. Mar 03 23:02:10 did you make sure the patch was aupt-3 before updating? Mar 03 23:02:41 roninj: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 03 23:02:45 Ok. I'm going to redownload the doctor and then run that again. Mar 03 23:02:49 Thank you! Mar 03 23:03:13 egaudet_work: I had what ever the latest was on 1.3.5 before updating Mar 03 23:03:17 lol. Thank you for all of your help everyone. I really do feel like I in the hall of the elders here. :) Mar 03 23:03:54 Eguy: check your webos-patches.log for what is cuasing remove to fail Mar 03 23:03:57 causing* Mar 03 23:04:25 Looking now Mar 03 23:06:50 bbl commute Mar 03 23:09:33 so am i only one who is too cheap to pay for 6 dollars 3d game? Mar 03 23:09:40 Yes Mar 03 23:09:43 i miss the installous day of my ipod :P Mar 03 23:10:32 so basically, you miss stealing? Mar 03 23:10:43 basically. Mar 03 23:11:11 oil: We all know he loves to steal. Mar 03 23:11:26 Eguy: cmon now, that isn't true. Mar 03 23:11:33 i would never steal a physical product. Mar 03 23:11:34 Much like Steve Jobs. Decimate: Is Steve Jobs your father? Mar 03 23:11:49 Physical Mar 03 23:11:54 Digital...err yeah Mar 03 23:12:05 :P Mar 03 23:12:09 its just too easy. Mar 03 23:14:16 It's easy to kill someone, doesn't mean you should do it :P. Mar 03 23:14:35 army does every day. Mar 03 23:14:48 Marines* Mar 03 23:15:05 Army doesn't do anything. Mar 03 23:22:22 heh - "#webos-internals, the hall of elders" Mar 03 23:22:40 ha Mar 03 23:24:50 * mjkjr|wirc is still trying to figure out what that means Mar 03 23:25:04 chances are its from way back in the logs Mar 03 23:25:08 and rwhitby is just now catching up Mar 03 23:25:17 though, he wont see this for another 30 mins, when he gets to it Mar 03 23:25:28 xD Mar 03 23:27:01 :-) lol Mar 03 23:30:25 hey Mar 03 23:30:30 how do i do a | in terminus? Mar 03 23:30:38 you press the | key Mar 03 23:30:43 OH! thanks Mar 03 23:30:54 No worries :) Mar 03 23:31:05 um... Mar 03 23:31:09 ...where's the | key? Mar 03 23:31:17 speaking of terminus... any word on terminal? Mar 03 23:31:37 if i could just find the | key, i'd abandon terminal Mar 03 23:31:51 in fact, can we just take the keymaps for terminal and port them to terminus and call it a day? Mar 03 23:32:02 no Mar 03 23:32:07 oh Mar 03 23:32:07 mjkjr|wirc: desty is working on it, difficult to track down the issue Mar 03 23:32:22 Mousey: I still want your hair Mar 03 23:32:24 The issue is that Luna is crap and makes it crash. Mar 03 23:32:24 because terminus doesn't do me any good on the pixi :-) Mar 03 23:32:31 * Mousey holds his hair.. MINE! Mar 03 23:32:39 mjkjr|wirc: ah HA Mar 03 23:32:40 infobot: Mousey is also the guy with the hair Mar 03 23:32:41 zsoc_wirc: okay Mar 03 23:32:46 ... Mar 03 23:32:53 ~mousey Mar 03 23:32:54 [mousey] a fanboi, or the guy with the hair Mar 03 23:33:00 ^_^ Mar 03 23:33:00 haha Mar 03 23:33:02 lmao Mar 03 23:33:12 ^_~ Mar 03 23:34:32 * Mousey eats kit kats, chuckles at irony Mar 03 23:34:47 ok i just doctored my pre maybe now Mar 03 23:34:55 luna won't crash anymore by itself Mar 03 23:35:31 en0x: I think it's a luna bug Mar 03 23:36:38 may be Mar 03 23:36:49 since 1.4 Mar 03 23:36:53 i have to enter commands like Mar 03 23:36:56 pkill LunaSysMgr Mar 03 23:36:57 twice Mar 03 23:37:05 there is a report on the palm forums that someone had a luna crash while using the app catalog app, with no homebrew ever installed. Mar 03 23:37:21 i'm having luna crashes more often, now you you mention it Mar 03 23:37:25 usually when i have a lot open Mar 03 23:37:27 mine crashed while charging on touchstone Mar 03 23:37:30 hanghanghanghang,crash Mar 03 23:37:40 hmmm... Mar 03 23:37:49 when i card is only half-thrown away, that's when it hangs. then crashes Mar 03 23:37:58 palm uses oe then? Mar 03 23:38:01 s/when i/when a/ Mar 03 23:38:01 Mousey meant: when a card is only half-thrown away, that's when it hangs. then crashes Mar 03 23:39:40 what is the definition of "crash"? same as the occasional lock screen issue I'm getting? I like it. Mar 03 23:40:02 Luna crashed when I got a call just now Mar 03 23:40:18 hmm Mar 03 23:40:49 id u noticed that when you open one app and the splash screen is glowing and u open second one, then on the first app the splash screen never goes away? :> Mar 03 23:41:12 It's obvious this release wasn't bug tested :D Mar 03 23:41:27 it's a .0 release! Mar 03 23:41:28 skip it! Mar 03 23:41:29 ^_^ Mar 03 23:41:42 luna has crashed twice on my just unlocking the lockscreen Mar 03 23:41:46 maybe it was tested for 2 days only :) Mar 03 23:42:06 haven't ran into that one. just the occasional lock screen deal that goes away if I restart :-( Mar 03 23:42:18 i havent got a crash while unlocking screen Mar 03 23:43:36 it's not really a crash I guess, one minute i'll show an example Mar 03 23:44:38 * Mousey wonders why he can't get into preware anymore without it hanging on fixing unknown packages Mar 03 23:44:49 comic app is crap too it saves comic icons in /media/internal Mar 03 23:45:00 and then they show up in photos app Mar 03 23:45:15 Mousey: do you have a big file in the feeds folder? Mar 03 23:45:25 i donno? Mar 03 23:45:42 That is probably the problem Mar 03 23:46:02 it never recovers Mar 03 23:46:23 Check to see if you do Mar 03 23:46:40 It is in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/ something Mar 03 23:46:42 big file doesn't affect fixing packages Mar 03 23:46:59 Oh I didn't see that it was hanging on that Mar 03 23:47:03 Nevermind then hehe. Mar 03 23:47:12 * Mousey updates feeds again Mar 03 23:47:15 Mousey: do the following: "dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" and see which app it's hanging on Mar 03 23:47:23 while it's hanging? Mar 03 23:47:27 k Mar 03 23:47:30 * Mousey waits for it to hang Mar 03 23:47:41 Mousey: start that command before it hangs Mar 03 23:47:49 it's like "tail -f" Mar 03 23:48:20 * Mousey tee's Mar 03 23:48:44 dbus sniffing! thats a good one Mar 03 23:49:41 of course now it works Mar 03 23:51:12 where can I configure behavior while on touchstone? Mar 03 23:51:42 hi Mar 03 23:51:45 hi Mar 03 23:51:48 hi Mar 03 23:52:01 im having problems installin things i just install the preware on my pre Mar 03 23:52:02 en0x, this is an example of the lock screen issue i mentioned Mar 03 23:52:05 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/234004-patch-request-w-pictures-new-lock-screen.html Mar 03 23:52:38 any help Mar 03 23:52:47 i had update the italian translation .... now i go to sleep bye :D Mar 03 23:52:49 mjkjr, i've seen it yesterday Mar 03 23:53:10 my post or the same issue on your own device? Mar 03 23:53:14 Darkmagister: thx for the update Mar 03 23:53:19 Darkmagister: thanks! Mar 03 23:53:21 ur post mjkjr Mar 03 23:53:22 oh Mar 03 23:53:28 * Mousey is too slow Mar 03 23:53:46 hi, i'm looking for a possibility to invert the colors to black (gray) / white of all apps like the scrim patches do. s it possible to do this with a theme? Mar 03 23:53:46 spectropr: whats it do? Mar 03 23:53:55 i install the preware, then update to the 9.28 then i cant install anything try to install a theme doesnt work Mar 03 23:54:32 bring up a message let me run it to tell you Mar 03 23:54:41 that's the only "bug" I've personally came across since 1.4 en0x Mar 03 23:55:08 mjkjr, i see on the forum that ppl have a shit load of bugs Mar 03 23:55:16 but idk if all of them are legit :) Mar 03 23:55:33 :P that always happen jeje Mar 03 23:55:51 I don't think so, I think a lot are user error in some way. But not mine, lol Mar 03 23:56:10 lol Mar 03 23:56:28 s/so,/ so either,/ Mar 03 23:56:28 which is commonly called PEBKAC Mar 03 23:56:29 :D Mar 03 23:56:36 messed that up Mar 03 23:56:37 hey.. can someone verify some stuff for me on their pre? Mar 03 23:56:44 ok all of my apps from palm profile are restored Mar 03 23:56:52 now time to install some apps from preware Mar 03 23:56:55 and patches Mar 03 23:57:53 when I turn my pre off, my PmWiFiService goes nuts Mar 03 23:58:23 im startin to like this phone more lol Mar 03 23:58:48 wow Mar 03 23:58:50 http://vzwtechnologies.com/PHL_Training/workshops.php?device=Palm Mar 03 23:59:26 WOW Mar 03 23:59:37 en0x, what's PEBKAC? I only learned about 1D10T errors when I was in school Mar 04 00:00:15 mousey: right now i click a modern warfare 2 affair is apparently downloading/installin nothing happen Mar 04 00:00:16 PEBKAC = problem exists between keyboard and computer ;D Mar 04 00:00:32 spectropr: did you restart luna after? Mar 04 00:00:51 spectropr: you have only 1 theme installed, right? Mar 04 00:00:52 I actually do love my phone. webos is amazing. Mar 04 00:00:59 * mjkjr slaps himself for not realizing that Mar 04 00:02:01 mousey: after the update to 28 i restart the phone then i try to install 1 theme for test then a error message pop i close the app then im trying again and is loading Mar 04 00:02:25 im going to restart it again dont know is weird Mar 04 00:02:27 brb Mar 04 00:02:31 recommendation, skip the theme Mar 04 00:02:51 1245 root 20 0 27468 3536 3204 R 4.3 1.4 1:24.60 PmWiFiService Mar 04 00:03:04 ^^ that's when my pre isn't connected to a power source Mar 04 00:03:16 i try 2 theme that why is weird jeje Mar 04 00:03:22 maybe they are broken lol Mar 04 00:03:23 spectropr: when you reload, go into preware, and do "update feeds" from the pulldown menu Mar 04 00:03:29 see if there isn't a newer preware Mar 04 00:03:50 i download the 27 version then update to 28 Mar 04 00:04:09 then restart Mar 04 00:05:13 ok phone is up goin again :D Mar 04 00:08:41 anything i have to download beside the update? Mar 04 00:08:53 :) Mar 04 00:10:40 ok im at the main menu Mar 04 00:10:41 what version of package manager service do you have spectropr Mar 04 00:10:59 it says preware v0.9.28 Mar 04 00:11:15 go to installed packages from main screen Mar 04 00:11:42 then "service" Mar 04 00:11:54 look at package manager service, what version is it Mar 04 00:12:11 ok it says v0.9.38 Mar 04 00:13:57 what next : ) Mar 04 00:15:13 have you only tried to install a theme? if so try a free app or a patch that interests you and see if you still have errors. Mar 04 00:15:34 tell me something :P Mar 04 00:15:35 for test Mar 04 00:15:43 im just starting to use it. . . Mar 04 00:15:48 lol, patch or app? Mar 04 00:16:12 anything jeje Mar 04 00:16:28 let try better an app Mar 04 00:18:08 try something simple and useful like "Add Date- MM/DD" patch or "Switcharoo Free" app, lol idk Mar 04 00:19:43 im goin to install hide nfl icon lol Mar 04 00:20:09 is downloading/ installing Mar 04 00:21:43 dBsooner: Did you get a chance to check on the feasibility of the patches I proposed for a bounty? Mar 04 00:22:24 bounty patchers Mar 04 00:22:39 ... Mar 04 00:23:34 nfl patch to hide install 100% is doin luna restart right now Mar 04 00:23:44 egaudet: unreversed patch detected on all the js files Mar 04 00:23:49 not all Mar 04 00:23:54 or not aupt Mar 04 00:23:56 you tell me Mar 04 00:24:00 is it safe to install patches on webos1. Mar 04 00:24:09 All the js files that the patch patches Mar 04 00:24:15 pastebin Mar 04 00:24:18 it work Mar 04 00:24:20 That's what shows up in the ipkglog Mar 04 00:24:20 ! Mar 04 00:24:21 lol Mar 04 00:24:25 not the ipkg log Mar 04 00:24:27 that lies Mar 04 00:24:29 spectropr, awesome just stay away from the themes then bad experiences here. Mar 04 00:24:33 well not lies but only gives stderr Mar 04 00:24:34 maybe need another restart lmao Mar 04 00:24:37 yeah Mar 04 00:24:41 Is it safe to install patches on webos1.4 Mar 04 00:24:43 Let me check the txt log Mar 04 00:24:52 thanx fo the support real fast take care all good night Mar 04 00:26:39 I'm not sure where it starts Mar 04 00:26:44 smartinsen01, why wouldn't it be? Mar 04 00:26:56 should be nicely spaced ==== Mar 04 00:27:01 PATCH REMOVAL Mar 04 00:27:02 ==== Mar 04 00:28:24 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/2hubgDR4 Mar 04 00:28:37 after update I started reinstalling patches and my pre became bricked. I just got a new one so i'm afraid of it happening again Mar 04 00:28:55 smartinsen01: It's almost impossible to "brick" a Pre Mar 04 00:29:11 and patches are fine in 1.4 Mar 04 00:29:39 I tried webos doctor webos repair utility nothing worked Mar 04 00:29:46 without an actual brick Mar 04 00:29:54 i don't think you can actually "brick" one Mar 04 00:30:18 in the end the phone wouldn't even charge Mar 04 00:30:31 if you traded it for a brand new device i say go for it Mar 04 00:30:32 Eguy, are you sure you don't have phone notification repeat patch installed Mar 04 00:31:00 I have sms notification repeat patch installed but it hasn't been updated yet Mar 04 00:31:08 Not phone. Mar 04 00:31:32 Eguy, how linux savvy are you Mar 04 00:31:46 I'm ok, not great. Mar 04 00:32:01 maybe I had some kind of hardware issue at a bad time but it seemed to be either the browser multimode or the download manager patch Mar 04 00:32:10 OK enough to get the file off your pre and diff it against a locally extracted doctor file? Mar 04 00:32:33 Possibly. Mar 04 00:32:39 I get get the file off. Mar 04 00:32:46 s/get/can/ Mar 04 00:32:46 Eguy meant: I can get the file off. Mar 04 00:33:01 Depending on how long I can visually look. Mar 04 00:33:26 smartinsen01, i'd put money on multi-mod patch somehow being involved with your issues. just stay away from that one Mar 04 00:34:30 I'm getting an error trying to uninstall the "Data in Device Menu" patch, "Unreversed patch detected". Is there a suggested solution? Mar 04 00:34:42 anyone else have the unthrottle download manager running on 1.4 Mar 04 00:34:47 is host or nslookup in ipkg anywheren Mar 04 00:35:07 Eguy, what's the md5sum of /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js Mar 04 00:35:15 smartinsen01: I do Mar 04 00:35:30 Let me check Mar 04 00:35:46 thanks I'll try it Mar 04 00:36:12 well, i wanna make a patch, just cause im bored, but idk what to do. any ideas... (serious only) Mar 04 00:36:46 decimate, yes i even made a thread for it Mar 04 00:38:21 egaudet: 39DA7E27EA477DB2BF99D8CF161916BD Mar 04 00:39:19 it's modified Mar 04 00:39:28 something modified it Mar 04 00:39:32 Decimate, maybe wakeup the phone with the button on the bottom instead of just the power button Mar 04 00:39:47 egaudet: I have no idea what did? Mar 04 00:39:58 the only other patch to touch that file is phone notification repeat patch Mar 04 00:40:29 I did unhide the call duration with the luna-send command, that doesn't touch that file though right? Mar 04 00:40:45 not that I know of Mar 04 00:41:08 but then I dont know what that does at all Mar 04 00:41:08 I think it only does the call log assistant. Mar 04 00:41:17 cxreg-pre: check in optware Mar 04 00:41:20 a luna-send command modifies a file? Mar 04 00:41:47 Maybe it is a cookie Mar 04 00:42:02 somewhat random, so i know more about windows than i care to bc that's what i went to school for, BUT I've always been really curious about linux, do they even sell computers with linux already installed? Mar 04 00:42:15 can you email me your entire webos-patches.log file? Mar 04 00:42:26 mjkjr: Some netbooks. Mar 04 00:42:58 any tips on where i could look? I'm pretty sure i've never seen anything running linux at best buy Mar 04 00:43:28 Any ideas on the "Unreversed patch detected" error? Mar 04 00:43:38 That's because the idiots that go to best buy can't use linux ;) Mar 04 00:43:51 Didn't dell have the ability at one point to install linux Mar 04 00:44:09 * mjkjr thinks that was a little harsh, lol Mar 04 00:44:09 They sold mini 9's with Ubuntu Mar 04 00:44:16 I guess you could buy a computer with one on it or with nothing on it, and just install yourself Mar 04 00:44:38 Flashpass, there's no universal answer to that Mar 04 00:44:53 it's part of many different unique issues Mar 04 00:45:15 emoney_33@yahoo.com eguy Mar 04 00:46:15 Ouch, Yahoo. Mar 04 00:46:30 +egaudet: Okay then, is there anything I can do to remove this patch? Mar 04 00:46:35 Sent Mar 04 00:46:45 It's pretty messy Mar 04 00:47:03 Flashpass, EPR, doctor Mar 04 00:48:22 I am having some problems connecting you ssh on my pre using the key method, I get a permissions denied after I put in the passphrase. any ideas? Mar 04 00:49:00 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Mar 04 00:49:14 I am not using putty to connect Mar 04 00:49:41 I am using the ssh command in the terminal I did ssh-add id_rsa Mar 04 00:49:58 egaudet: You should get the email soon. Mar 04 00:50:44 You will probably find lots of problems in there but that is mostly because I wasn't able to install patches until recently for what ever reason. Mar 04 00:51:12 I got it Mar 04 00:51:25 I did ssh -vv and it returned debug1: Trying private key: /home/greg/.ssh/id_dsa debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method Mar 04 00:51:36 Eguy, now I need the diff Mar 04 00:51:37 elpollodiablo1: the instructions at the openssh aplication page are flawless...follow them Mar 04 00:51:46 What diff? Mar 04 00:51:48 diff the file against the .webosinternals.orig file in the same location Mar 04 00:52:08 this -could- be bad Mar 04 00:52:09 I am not using putty I am using the ssh terminal command they do not cover that. Mar 04 00:52:42 use putty? Mar 04 00:52:48 or winscp. Mar 04 00:52:51 why I am using linux Mar 04 00:53:14 egaudet: .webosinternals.patches.packages? Mar 04 00:53:19 ? Mar 04 00:53:25 the missedcall-assistant file Mar 04 00:53:36 Oh Mar 04 00:53:38 why would I use putty when I could just use the ssh command and have it set up default on all linux machine Mar 04 00:53:52 Eguy, what's the md5sum of /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig Mar 04 00:54:42 elpollodiablo1, the page i linked refers you to the openssh home page and manual pages Mar 04 00:55:06 typing "stop" in terminus = epic fail Mar 04 00:55:23 Difference: A8499ADF3FA74A2E795CDFC57EB990B2 Mar 04 00:55:38 I wonder what modified it. Mar 04 00:55:38 i want to give linux a try to see what i think, just don't want to spend too much bc i'm so used to windows i'm scared i might not like linux Mar 04 00:55:50 Eguy, that's not a diff Mar 04 00:56:08 mjkjr: Install virtualbox and use linux in a VM first. Mar 04 00:56:09 that means the orig file is stock (good) so wait a moment Mar 04 00:56:24 It was 39DA before Mar 04 00:56:34 egaudet: I will check it out and one I come up with a solution I will write it into the wiki Mar 04 00:57:31 Eguy, thanks I'm going to check that out Mar 04 00:57:54 I suggest Ubuntu 9.10 due to it's simplicity Mar 04 00:58:32 Eguy, you have phone notification repeat patch installed Mar 04 00:58:47 I used to. Mar 04 00:58:52 I thought I removed it. Mar 04 00:59:29 the md5sum of the file matches the md5sum of that file with the phone notification repeat patch applied Mar 04 00:59:36 are you on 1.4? Mar 04 00:59:53 Yes. Mar 04 01:00:04 when did 1.4 come out? Mar 04 01:00:23 2/26 Mar 04 01:01:22 the new facebook app looks SWEETTT. Mar 04 01:01:34 Finally Mar 04 01:03:19 on Sat 2/27 you installed phone notification repeat patch Mar 04 01:03:23 and it has not been removed since Mar 04 01:03:30 is it not showing as installed in preware? Mar 04 01:03:53 Maybe it was stuck in there with the rest of them Mar 04 01:03:59 Let me check preware Mar 04 01:04:16 what is this half baked nonsense of a facebook app they released? Mar 04 01:04:21 Decimate: any word on when it might come out? Mar 04 01:04:32 Facebook 1.1.0 is out now. Mar 04 01:04:40 yes, that one Mar 04 01:04:53 I just installed it from the catalog. Mar 04 01:04:53 That's the one Decimate is referring to? Mar 04 01:04:57 photos don't work Mar 04 01:05:02 there's no chat Mar 04 01:05:04 I thought it was "FreindsBook"? Mar 04 01:05:08 event is very poorly executed Mar 04 01:05:12 dbSooner: its out. Mar 04 01:05:12 s/event/events Mar 04 01:05:13 would i need to buy the actual os in order to check it out with virtual box? reading the virtual box page now Mar 04 01:05:16 FriendsBook is a seperate app. Mar 04 01:05:25 separate * Mar 04 01:05:37 mjkjr: lol. Linux is free. Mar 04 01:05:51 dBsooner: The official palm facebook app was just updated... crazily. It's ALOT better. Mar 04 01:05:58 facebook app did get an update, updating now to see the sweetness myself Mar 04 01:06:02 Is that a good one? Mar 04 01:06:12 I just don't want it to sync my facebook contacts Mar 04 01:06:17 eguy, a free OS!? what? Mar 04 01:06:19 egaudet: You are right! I do have phone repeat installed. Mar 04 01:06:23 what's facebook? Mar 04 01:06:29 I wonder how that got in there. Mar 04 01:06:40 dBsooner: its just an app...no syncing. Mar 04 01:07:04 Decimate: the first version made it where your facebook synced via synergy Mar 04 01:07:08 rwhitby: so, im guessing the answer is no Mar 04 01:07:08 xcomp: You expected all that stuff in the facebook app? Mar 04 01:07:16 because i dont see them in either ipkg or ipkg-opt Mar 04 01:07:18 dBsooner: It still does that. Mar 04 01:07:23 yuck Mar 04 01:07:24 dBsooner: didn't know, I already have facebook syncing. Mar 04 01:07:25 no thank you thenj Mar 04 01:07:28 Eguy: i apologize for not having lower expectations Mar 04 01:07:38 xcomp: You should :P Mar 04 01:08:03 It is palm after all. This isn't apple where everything is perfect :P Mar 04 01:08:46 somebody like htc or nokia needs to acquire palm already Mar 04 01:09:11 ~facebook Mar 04 01:09:18 As I have said before... HD2 with webOS and Sense :) Mar 04 01:09:18 cxreg: the answer to what? Mar 04 01:09:36 dBsooner: its nicee :) Mar 04 01:09:47 someoe chased infobot away again? Mar 04 01:09:53 rwhitby: host or nslookup Mar 04 01:09:57 nope, I don't want all 500 of my facebook friends sync'd to my pre Mar 04 01:10:10 ~hi Mar 04 01:10:11 hello, eguy Mar 04 01:10:12 infobot: wb Mar 04 01:10:13 thx Mar 04 01:10:18 cxreg: you checked http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/, right? Mar 04 01:10:44 maybe in util-linux or util-linux-ng ... Mar 04 01:10:58 my work project just got suspended for a couple of months. going home to eat a burrito Mar 04 01:11:01 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages.filelist should like the executables and tell you which package Mar 04 01:11:05 Weird that infobot rejoined here and not the watercooler. Mar 04 01:11:09 (that's a 13M file) Mar 04 01:11:28 xcomp: so more time for webOS ? Mar 04 01:11:39 :-D Mar 04 01:11:57 rwhitby: heh ... we'll see. actually it's the death of my hard drive that has kept me out of commission recently Mar 04 01:12:10 why is infobot running away? Mar 04 01:12:12 but now that it is back from the dead, i'm getting back into things Mar 04 01:12:25 egaudet: Patch succeeded after repeat removal :) Mar 04 01:12:33 xcomp: cool Mar 04 01:12:38 That should be in the patch description. Mar 04 01:12:48 So, has anyone tried Mode Switcher? http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/224544-mode-switcher.html Mar 04 01:13:12 I'm in contact with the author to get it hosted on git.webos-internals.org Mar 04 01:13:24 Eguy, it's a minor flaw in AUPT logic Mar 04 01:13:30 not the patch's fault Mar 04 01:13:33 Ah. Mar 04 01:13:48 i just grabbed it about ago Mar 04 01:13:51 timed profiles would be clutch Mar 04 01:13:54 I could wear I removed the phone repeat though. Mar 04 01:13:56 Weird. Mar 04 01:13:56 no more in class accidents O_o Mar 04 01:14:00 missedcall-assistant.js was unchanged from 1.3.5 to 1.4.0 (md5sum same) Mar 04 01:14:01 swear* Mar 04 01:14:09 that has potential Mar 04 01:14:29 so AUPT didn't recognize it as OTA for that file, but all the other ones it does Mar 04 01:14:33 How come it succeeded when I removed repeat then? Mar 04 01:14:38 xcomp: did you see this? http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Canonical-2D-launcher-for-Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix/ Mar 04 01:14:38 aupt-4 will need to fix that Mar 04 01:15:01 Eguy, because then when you removed repeat the file was back to stock so that part of AUPT logic succeeded Mar 04 01:15:18 the part of AUPT logic that can detect a patched fiel was re-patched with another patch after an OTA is the part that got confused Mar 04 01:15:27 Ah. I got it now. Mar 04 01:16:58 rwhitby: wow I want that modeswitcher Mar 04 01:18:10 jacques: that was on /. a couple of weeks ago? Mar 04 01:18:22 xcomp: dunno Mar 04 01:18:30 yeah, looks like the same story Mar 04 01:18:46 /end Mar 04 01:19:16 it's great to see EFL libs garnering some relatively mainstream attention Mar 04 01:19:26 ywp Mar 04 01:19:28 yep Mar 04 01:20:05 they're using eet to speed up config and booting Mar 04 01:20:37 looks like someone else finally realized that flat text files may be easy to edit but are the #1 cause of slow bootup times Mar 04 01:21:21 None of the pages load in the new Facebook app lol Mar 04 01:23:27 Eguy: I'd blame Preware Mar 04 01:24:02 Damn that preware app. It's rubbish. Mar 04 01:24:28 Almost as bad as that AUPT stuff that hoses 58% of phones. Mar 04 01:24:28 terminal app is broken, si? Mar 04 01:24:52 CorpX: oui Mar 04 01:24:59 lol Mar 04 01:25:17 sigh. all I carea bout is location trigger and after two months it's still not in Mar 04 01:25:17 CorpX: Ja Mar 04 01:25:26 CorpX: Yes Mar 04 01:25:43 jacques: once we get it in a repo here, things should pick up Mar 04 01:25:49 oil: YOU RUINED IT! Mar 04 01:26:00 so what's the easiest way to run some commands? Mar 04 01:26:01 it was just another language that hadn't been used yet! Mar 04 01:26:05 trying to get mobile hotspot working again Mar 04 01:26:09 so i took the easy one Mar 04 01:26:10 sue me Mar 04 01:26:31 * Eguy phones lawyer. Mar 04 01:26:41 "yes, i'd like to sue oil" Mar 04 01:26:42 rwhitby: yeah that would be great Mar 04 01:26:54 * Mercury tells Eguy that he doesn't have a case, and to please stop calling him because he's not a lawyer! Mar 04 01:28:48 * Eguy ಠ_ಠ Mar 04 01:29:17 * mjkjr is downloading "VirtualBox 3.1.4 for Windows hosts", eager to see what the linux hype is all about :-) Mar 04 01:32:46 before i wait 5 hours for this 70.8 MB file to download, could anyone confirm if "VirtualBox 3.1.4 for Windows hosts" is what I'd want for my vista laptop so i can try out linux Mar 04 01:33:24 It is Mar 04 01:33:46 Why 5 hours? Mar 04 01:34:02 did the new facebook app already drop? Mar 04 01:34:10 not really 5 hours, but sprint mobile broadband is not "broadband" imo Mar 04 01:34:13 FuMan: Yes. Mar 04 01:35:48 mjkjr: Then you won't like downloading the 700mb ubuntu ISO :P Mar 04 01:35:54 lol Mar 04 01:37:21 700mb!? wow and I'm only 17% done downloading virtual box Mar 04 01:39:21 mjkjr, what you actually need is a live cd, so you can uninstall windows Mar 04 01:39:37 lol Mar 04 01:39:37 hope i'm not disappointed after all this wait Mar 04 01:39:54 i don't even get how people _use_ windows Mar 04 01:39:56 i tried the other day Mar 04 01:39:59 i really did Mar 04 01:40:03 Yes, open up programs and features and click uninstall windows. Mar 04 01:40:18 zsoc: I don't even get how people_use_osx. Mar 04 01:40:22 i have a custom pc i built, i'd be willing to partion the hd or just install linux on that Mar 04 01:40:28 I use it every day and want to kill myself. Mar 04 01:40:57 * zsoc has admittedly never used osx Mar 04 01:41:04 lol Mar 04 01:41:10 I use 3 platforms at work Mar 04 01:41:15 same Mar 04 01:41:22 gotta love macosx for rails Mar 04 01:41:22 I like win7 the best. Mar 04 01:41:24 i've practically grew up on windows, never cared for osx, never got to try out linux Mar 04 01:41:38 i like vista :-) Mar 04 01:41:52 win 7 for me Mar 04 01:41:57 superbar ftw Mar 04 01:41:57 Debian for me! Mar 04 01:42:02 Ha Mar 04 01:42:03 here i thought vista was microsofts biggest failure since ME Mar 04 01:42:13 For linux I choose centos Mar 04 01:42:30 oil, what would make you think that? :-) Mar 04 01:42:31 oil: It was. Mar 04 01:42:58 i recently installed windows 7 Mar 04 01:43:00 come on, i'm running vista as i type this. :-( Mar 04 01:43:04 sigh. operating systems are just tools, a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Mar 04 01:43:11 generally seems better then xp Mar 04 01:43:22 oil: It is. Mar 04 01:43:38 rwhitby's standard OS quote :D Mar 04 01:43:39 not to mention i can now use all 8gigs of my ram Mar 04 01:43:48 so that helps Mar 04 01:43:52 * Eguy mistakenly started with Win7 32bit :( Mar 04 01:44:03 It's too late to change Mar 04 01:44:20 * halfhalo has gone with x64 since XP professional x64 came out Mar 04 01:44:24 heh - the NFS free version that I get via my German Pre is in german :-) Mar 04 01:44:27 rwhitby, some means shouldn't exist Mar 04 01:44:38 XP x64 was BAD. Mar 04 01:44:59 I maintain that the only reason it was faster than xp was that nothing ran in it Mar 04 01:45:34 Nothing would run in it. Mar 04 01:45:42 and the driver support was awful. Mar 04 01:45:46 yeah Mar 04 01:45:57 took forever for creative drivers Mar 04 01:46:28 Creative drivers are awful to begin with anyway heh. Mar 04 01:46:48 true Mar 04 01:46:49 .eu sims three has EFIGS language selection Mar 04 01:47:18 but then again, they do let me map my xfi's output to different plugs on it Mar 04 01:49:05 rwhitby: Does NFS say ein, zwei, drei gehen! Mar 04 01:49:21 Eguy: didn't get that far. Mar 04 01:49:30 Ah. Mar 04 01:49:40 Since I bought it on my Sprint Pre when it first came out. Mar 04 01:50:03 (which reminds me, I need to get that credit card recharged) Mar 04 01:50:05 * rwhitby bbl Mar 04 01:51:48 Download complete, looking for ubuntu download now Mar 04 01:52:29 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download Mar 04 01:54:20 thanks Mar 04 01:57:05 eguy, what's your opinion about this option? http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi Mar 04 01:57:57 wubi, ew Mar 04 01:58:05 zsoc said it best Mar 04 01:59:40 dang, i thought it would be better so i could run my laptop with vista or ubuntu instead of only running ubuntu in a virtual environment. Mar 04 02:00:22 You can still install ubuntu on your laptop. Mar 04 02:00:33 Just burn the ISO to a disk and boot into it. Mar 04 02:00:50 I thought you would prefer a VM though. Mar 04 02:02:35 where's the on-screen keyboard in pre-ware? Mar 04 02:02:39 or is it gone? Mar 04 02:02:43 i'm lookin in patches Mar 04 02:03:10 well i did see that i could burn the iso to a disk, just didn't know if i'd be able to boot from that. I just didn't want to accidentally get rid of vista Mar 04 02:05:36 ah, virtual keyboard Mar 04 02:05:37 cound it Mar 04 02:05:41 is it safe with 1.4? Mar 04 02:05:45 bougyman: i thought it was under virtual keyboard Mar 04 02:06:35 it is, and says it's 1.4 supported Mar 04 02:07:44 wth? tar on mac includes the ._file automagically when tarring? Mar 04 02:10:30 bougyman, the partitioning segment of the ubuntu install is pretty clear, it would be tough to delete windows accidentally, just pay attention Mar 04 02:11:10 +zsoc, i think you meant that for me? Mar 04 02:11:40 mjkjr, yep sorry, i'm pretty much completely wasted Mar 04 02:11:43 i need to go to bed Mar 04 02:11:44 vista does thing differently doesn't it Mar 04 02:11:58 egaudet, his problem might be repartitioning his harddrive Mar 04 02:12:14 mjkjr, you may not be able to resize a vista partition without turning off hibernation and save states Mar 04 02:12:23 yeah I remember when I had vista I had to repartition with vista otherwise it would screw up Mar 04 02:13:01 woooo bed. later Mar 04 02:13:38 hey this thing is really usable. Mar 04 02:13:58 hmmm, that's why i was considering this route http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi rather than this route http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download Mar 04 02:14:36 grub and grub2 both broken for me Mar 04 02:18:40 i cant download any apps on the app catolog or preware Mar 04 02:18:44 help please Mar 04 02:19:45 Mar 04 02:22:06 hello Mar 04 02:22:54 hello Mar 04 02:23:00 i need help Mar 04 02:23:07 anyone there? Mar 04 02:23:59 HELP Mar 04 02:24:00 ! Mar 04 02:24:01 ? Mar 04 02:24:19 lol Mar 04 02:27:39 * mjkjr wonders what to do for the next 3 hours while ubuntu slowly downloads Mar 04 02:30:25 mjkjr: shop for a faster internet connection? Mar 04 02:31:12 LOL Mar 04 02:32:32 great idea, my contract has been up for atleast 4 months. Mar 04 02:32:52 mjkjr: What city are you in? Mar 04 02:32:55 but i ONLY have 2hr 55 min left, lol Mar 04 02:33:05 kansas city Mar 04 02:33:08 missouri Mar 04 02:33:27 The local cable provider is probably cheaper than Sprint. Mar 04 02:33:43 DSL will be slower than Sprint Mobile Broadband. Mar 04 02:34:31 i just moved jan 1 so i have considered shopping around. I need something faster than mobile broadband, unless mine is unusually slow Mar 04 02:35:04 does 3 hrs for a 800mb download sound right? Mar 04 02:35:11 I have 30/1 cable and it works well. The 1 upload bothers me and it horrible for running a server at home. Mar 04 02:35:20 For EVDO, yes. Mar 04 02:39:09 definately time to upgrade then, i'm sure i could get more speed for my money else where. Mar 04 02:41:37 One oil is enough, now we have two. Mar 04 02:41:52 srsly Mar 04 02:42:53 why everyone is talking about the new facebook app when I don;t see it in my app catalog :S Mar 04 02:44:07 en0x, are you not in the states? Mar 04 02:44:09 en0x, it's not on the app catalog feed yet, it is in the update feed Mar 04 02:44:11 i am Mar 04 02:44:16 so you need to go to updates Mar 04 02:44:29 if you didn't have it installed before install from app catalog and then go to updates Mar 04 02:44:44 oh thats weird why they havent added it to main feed Mar 04 02:44:54 yeah I dunno that either Mar 04 02:45:13 it is a big improvement from the previous version IMO Mar 04 02:45:29 yeah it's really nice Mar 04 02:45:43 I want to sit down and compare it with my friends iPhone app (he says the iPhone app is like seckztastic) Mar 04 02:48:37 It's pretty complete. Much better than the first version. It is a little like the Palm OS version. Mar 04 02:49:29 that would be interesting to see which is better. my buddy at work has it on his iphone, i'll challenge him to a facebook face off. iphone vs webos, who will win? Mar 04 02:49:58 i wonder if i could convince the pre's browser to use a socks proxy Mar 04 02:50:04 maybe with a LD_PRELOAD Mar 04 02:50:18 Convince the Pre to stop lagging first. Mar 04 02:51:35 never noticed any lag, :0 Mar 04 02:51:59 Fu-nn-nn-ny Mar 04 02:53:00 ok.... maybe once Mar 04 02:53:12 hello Mar 04 02:53:13 ....an hour Mar 04 02:53:29 does anyone have the terminal app installed Mar 04 02:53:40 He said the magic word!! Mar 04 02:53:41 Hola, si Mar 04 02:53:58 infobot, party Mar 04 02:53:59 Woohoo! Bot on the loose! Mar 04 02:54:15 Ihazspintpr35: Terminal is broken Mar 04 02:54:22 Don't use it Mar 04 02:54:24 oh Mar 04 02:54:31 that makes sense Mar 04 02:54:39 because it forces a reset Mar 04 02:54:54 has it just been since 1.4? Mar 04 02:55:26 Yes sir. Mar 04 02:55:41 maybe we should put the terminal status in the topic Mar 04 02:55:42 Ihazspintpr35: terminus works Mar 04 02:55:52 jacques: I agree Mar 04 02:56:29 infobot: hi Mar 04 02:56:30 hello, mjkjr Mar 04 02:56:42 Ihazspintpr35: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/233555-launching-terminal-restarts-luna-i-think.html Mar 04 02:57:34 I long for the day of terminal working again Mar 04 02:57:34 Good enough. Mar 04 02:57:37 ~terminal Mar 04 02:57:38 i guess terminal is very, very alpha, but can be found at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal, or broken for 1.4, use terminus for the time being. Mar 04 02:58:05 infobot: thank you Mar 04 02:58:05 de nada, mjkjr Mar 04 02:58:47 is terminus as good? Mar 04 02:58:55 Not really Mar 04 02:58:57 But it works Mar 04 02:59:03 does it support copy/paste Mar 04 02:59:50 I don't think so **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 04 02:59:58 2010