**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 04 02:59:58 2010 Mar 04 03:00:31 does anyone which provides better vnc remotewin or mediaremote? Mar 04 03:01:12 I really wish we had a full blown vnc made by realvnc or someone :( Mar 04 03:12:13 Hello Mar 04 03:21:44 * mjkjr is considering cancelling ubuntu download, approximately 2 hours left =/ Mar 04 03:23:09 why so long ? Mar 04 03:25:25 sprint mobile broadband and an 800mb download Mar 04 03:25:38 ah gotcha Mar 04 03:26:00 there was a 512MB vmware image that was ubuntu 9.10 i thought .. decent download for being all setup and whatnot Mar 04 03:28:24 dang, too late now lol. i'm downloading http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi Mar 04 03:29:47 bpadalino: to just install through iso imo. that way you only put in the stuff you want Mar 04 03:30:09 just put together a 8.04 vmware image the other day. didnt' take that long Mar 04 03:30:28 ah, i just had a predone one from vmplanet or wherever Mar 04 03:30:30 i wasn't too ambitious Mar 04 03:30:39 10.04 can't get here quick enough. 8.04 is long in the tooth =) Mar 04 03:31:15 I like 9.10 much better than 8.04 Mar 04 03:31:26 rwhitby: ping Mar 04 03:31:27 all i wanted to do was see what linux was like and if i'd like it. i've never even used it before so i don't even know what i'd want. Mar 04 03:31:50 lol. Mar 04 03:32:04 linux is great as a server/dev platform Mar 04 03:32:11 dBsooner: gu Mar 04 03:32:19 not so good as a gui Mar 04 03:32:37 hmm, my phone is losing charge % on USB ? Mar 04 03:32:43 maybe by time i wake up tomorrow for work it will be done, definately didn't think it was going to turn into an all night thing just to download Mar 04 03:35:28 sooo.... with 1.4 and clipcarl's script/prog Mar 04 03:35:29 what would cause my phone to lose charge while supposedly charging on USB? Mar 04 03:35:43 jacques: i've seen it happen with using the MHS Mar 04 03:35:53 jacques: using more than 2.5W Mar 04 03:35:55 use more power than is charing... Mar 04 03:36:00 charging that is Mar 04 03:36:05 MHS? Mar 04 03:36:10 mobile hot spot Mar 04 03:36:16 I'm not doing anything except running weechat Mar 04 03:36:16 I've seem it happen if WOSQI is running Mar 04 03:36:37 cpufreq is 500000 Mar 04 03:36:41 with 1.4/clipcarl, phone does not want to go down to 250mhz.. interesting. wonder what palm is changing inside lunasysmgr Mar 04 03:36:46 phone "claims" to be charging Mar 04 03:37:08 jacques: cpu speed is no matter. i've seen my phone go up as high as 55C with using MHS. Mar 04 03:37:10 crazy Mar 04 03:37:42 only strange thing is when I plugged it in the first time I accidentally tapped the USB drive button Mar 04 03:37:45 gotta be some kind of background process Mar 04 03:37:53 so I unplugged it and replugged Mar 04 03:38:05 top showd nothing Mar 04 03:38:07 what's the command for installing an ipk file again? ipkg-opt -o /media/cryptofs/app ? Mar 04 03:38:22 something constantly polling the pre Mar 04 03:38:28 ? Mar 04 03:39:55 hmm, I replugged again (that's why I just quit/rejoined irc) and now charge lvel is going up again - was 51% (was like 85% when I plugged it in) and now it's 53% Mar 04 03:43:20 now 54% Mar 04 03:44:20 * jacques considers buying Dungeon Hunter Mar 04 03:44:42 what I really need tho are some time waster games - that I can play for a couple of minutes and put down Mar 04 03:44:51 like bejewelled Mar 04 03:44:51 hello everyone Mar 04 03:45:04 so here's an unofficial poll - if work said "Hey, we're looking for volunteers to send to Afghanistan for work - who's on?" - how many people here would say "Sure, why not?" Mar 04 03:45:09 I have a question. . .. i can't doctor my pre Mar 04 03:45:46 jacques: Get deer hunter Mar 04 03:45:48 rule #1: never volunteer Mar 04 03:46:11 i have doctored my pre before. . . but for some reason today when trying to doctor to 1.4 i get the novacomd insllation progress bar and then it says service removed Mar 04 03:46:15 Sebastian: hold volume up while plugging in the USB from a powered off pre Mar 04 03:46:17 Eguy: is it in app cat? Mar 04 03:46:21 Yeah Mar 04 03:46:34 You shoot turkeys deer and moose Mar 04 03:46:40 ok Mar 04 03:46:47 seems like the volume up worked Mar 04 03:47:00 i just wasn't sure if the "service Removed" message was supposed to appear Mar 04 03:47:12 *shrug* Mar 04 03:47:20 i've never doctored my pre Mar 04 03:47:32 why not!! Mar 04 03:47:38 never needed to i guess Mar 04 03:47:42 still on a day 1 install Mar 04 03:47:59 i think its a must after u do a lot of patching and what not Mar 04 03:48:07 i don't do much patching Mar 04 03:48:12 mainly just poking around Mar 04 03:48:17 i'm not too much of a developer anyway Mar 04 03:48:18 deer hunter looks interesting Mar 04 03:48:29 just kind of a random guy Mar 04 03:48:39 u don't have to be a developer to patch the phone Mar 04 03:48:43 i am a patch user jejeje Mar 04 03:48:47 nice Mar 04 03:49:28 yeah deer hunter looks nice Mar 04 03:49:31 lol calling palm's pubsubservice results in just sleep 10 Mar 04 03:50:04 I only doctored once and that was because my palm profile was corrupt. Mar 04 03:51:06 did anyone buy guitar hero 5? Mar 04 03:51:24 jacques, you have air traffic controller? Mar 04 03:51:44 mjkjr: nope, is it good? Mar 04 03:52:19 free and somewhat addictive, good time waster Mar 04 03:53:02 which one is a good time waster? Mar 04 03:53:05 I'll definitely check it out then Mar 04 03:53:07 air traffic controller? Mar 04 03:53:49 Scrabble is also good to kill time Mar 04 03:54:06 and X-Plane is the ultimate battery and time killer Mar 04 03:54:16 hahahah yeah i have x plane Mar 04 03:54:21 the very first one Mar 04 03:54:29 i wish it had more things tho Mar 04 03:54:33 i rarely play it now :( Mar 04 03:54:34 I used it on an airplane once Mar 04 03:55:00 i could imagine you making yourself beleive u were the pilot of your plane hahahah Mar 04 03:55:12 While on a flight, I fired up X-Plane airliner and flew the same plane lol. Mar 04 03:55:33 my favorite from other platforms is mahjongg Mar 04 03:55:40 which I have not seen for webos Mar 04 03:55:48 I don't understand that game. Mar 04 03:56:07 just the single player matching one - not the real game Mar 04 03:56:28 i couldn't figure out mahjongg either, think it was on my centro Mar 04 03:57:12 I meant the bastardized version where you just match tiles to remove them from the board Mar 04 03:57:22 Bike or Die needs to be ported to webOS. Mar 04 03:57:43 ExciteBike Mar 04 03:58:01 I loved playing Bike or Die on my Palm OS devices Mar 04 03:58:45 has anyone ever played Mar 04 03:58:52 ahhh i can't remember the name now Mar 04 03:58:59 trials that is it! Mar 04 03:59:02 trail Mar 04 03:59:06 its a moto cross game Mar 04 03:59:25 trail bike pro http://www.miniclip.com/games/trial-bike-pro/en/ Mar 04 04:01:01 something's definitely up with my phone - it's really slow and laggy Mar 04 04:01:09 guess I'll reboot it Mar 04 04:01:15 I need to create a new profile Mar 04 04:01:51 ugh, why is root mounted rw ? Mar 04 04:02:02 I didn't do it Mar 04 04:02:29 why create a new proble rwhitby? Mar 04 04:02:50 * mjkjr is about to pull his hair out, download error after all this wait!?!? Mar 04 04:03:05 That sucks. Mar 04 04:04:13 maybe it's just not meant to be, maybe i'm destined to use windows my whole life. Mar 04 04:04:23 Sebastian: my dev profile for my Sprint Pre is stuck in "unknown version" mode for the app catalog Mar 04 04:04:55 ohhhhhh Mar 04 04:05:00 too much tweaking? jejje Mar 04 04:05:59 probably because of that preware app or aupt, right? =D Mar 04 04:06:43 bak Mar 04 04:07:16 rwhitby: What kind of experience do u have with programming? Mar 04 04:07:44 i mean i know u are like the WebOS god to us mere mortals. . . Mar 04 04:07:56 Eguy, can i just buy ubuntu on a cd somewhere? lol Mar 04 04:08:01 What i'd like to know is something like a biography Mar 04 04:08:04 Sebastian: 25 years Mar 04 04:08:16 mjkjr u can request a free cd off their website Mar 04 04:08:19 my icons have all vanished from launcher pages after installing new patches and doing a luna reboot. How do I retrieve them, please..... Mar 04 04:08:30 google knows my employment history Mar 04 04:08:40 if only i knew your name Mar 04 04:08:41 rwhitby: Google knows a lot more than that ;) Mar 04 04:08:47 and the post in the dev thread at p|c Mar 04 04:09:07 First born, past lives, past romances, etc. :P Mar 04 04:09:22 I have done 2 hard resets and they still are missing... Mar 04 04:09:34 can u launch preware? Mar 04 04:09:42 no Mar 04 04:10:05 i would try connecting it to the computer with webos quick install Mar 04 04:10:10 and see if u can remove the patch from there Mar 04 04:10:11 no icons whatsoever Mar 04 04:10:27 ok Mar 04 04:10:31 will try Mar 04 04:11:23 http://www.rwhitby.net/ found ur webpage Mar 04 04:11:36 Great detective work there! Mar 04 04:11:55 oh, noes. I thought I'd hidden that well. Mar 04 04:12:07 lol Mar 04 04:12:16 ~rwhitby Mar 04 04:12:17 i heard rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). an honorary WHE Mar 04 04:12:30 It's been pretty well known for a while.. ^^ Mar 04 04:12:45 ~botslap Mar 04 04:12:46 Hey what was that for, rwhitby? Mar 04 04:12:51 ROFL Mar 04 04:12:59 ~WHE Mar 04 04:12:59 infobot: for giving away my secrets Mar 04 04:13:00 somebody said whe was a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time... Mar 04 04:13:16 LOL Mar 04 04:13:33 Jtops is the nerdiest looking human ever made. Mar 04 04:14:12 I heard JSTop is pronounced "Jays Top" Mar 04 04:14:21 JTops reminded me of that Mar 04 04:15:00 very interesting read Mar 04 04:15:15 and 9 out of 10 pronounce it as Jay Stop Mar 04 04:15:34 bah, gonna have to meta-doctor cdma-pre to get a new profile Mar 04 04:15:38 Jess top Mar 04 04:15:42 Awwww Mar 04 04:15:55 Somtimes I doctor just because I can Mar 04 04:15:59 :p Mar 04 04:16:05 i was in the sprint store today Mar 04 04:16:10 and had to help THEM Mar 04 04:16:13 fix someones pre Mar 04 04:16:15 My sprint store SUCKS Mar 04 04:16:17 I just cried. Mar 04 04:16:22 They never answer the phone Mar 04 04:16:29 She was like.. "It won't activate.. the "EV" icon isn't showing up." Mar 04 04:16:37 LOL Mar 04 04:16:39 although I can walk in and swap out pre's no question asked Mar 04 04:16:40 I said, ##RTN# it Mar 04 04:16:47 she said "WE can't" Mar 04 04:16:53 I said, then give it to me.. I will. Mar 04 04:16:59 so i did. Mar 04 04:17:01 and fixed it Mar 04 04:17:02 :) Mar 04 04:17:04 well done! Mar 04 04:17:06 nice Mar 04 04:17:13 *applauses* Mar 04 04:17:14 lmao, i love it, you'd think a rep would go through some sort of training Mar 04 04:17:15 I don't trust them with my phone Mar 04 04:17:16 You should have asked for the manager Mar 04 04:17:26 I would have Mar 04 04:17:37 i should go to a sprint store and demand a job Mar 04 04:17:39 ....but it was the manager Mar 04 04:17:39 except its a non-corporate store. and I am good friends with the President/Owner Mar 04 04:17:42 Heh Mar 04 04:17:53 I was actually there talking to him about a job. Mar 04 04:17:54 Title: Webos Specialist Mar 04 04:17:58 One of my cousins does call in store support Mar 04 04:18:11 for sprint Mar 04 04:18:13 hey I just installed openssh from preware but would like to set it up so that it uses passwords instead of rsa keys, could someone please point me in the right direction? Mar 04 04:18:24 her sister and my other cousin does it for verizon Mar 04 04:18:37 Ihazspintpr35: /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh Mar 04 04:18:40 halfhalo: Do you like Trillian? Mar 04 04:18:47 I'll pay someone $20 to go through my Facebook News feed and "HIDE" all the Application spam Mar 04 04:18:50 yes Mar 04 04:18:56 I luvs trillian Mar 04 04:19:01 It's awesome Mar 04 04:19:02 * halfhalo hugs trillian Mar 04 04:19:02 hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhaha Mar 04 04:19:07 trillian is me fav Mar 04 04:19:15 Well, I will say this Mar 04 04:19:18 Adium is better Mar 04 04:19:20 I've been using since the first beta version Mar 04 04:19:23 dBsooner, I'll do it for 10 Mar 04 04:19:36 I'll do it for a cookie Mar 04 04:19:36 RoD: Do you know all of this stuff by heart ? Mar 04 04:19:45 mjkjr: You sure? I have 500+ friends Mar 04 04:19:51 so Its a LOT of app spam Mar 04 04:19:55 Lick it for 10 Mar 04 04:20:00 * mjkjr is having second thoughts Mar 04 04:20:04 Sebastian: since I wrote a lot of it, yes. Mar 04 04:20:11 rwhitby: don't lie Mar 04 04:20:14 * halfhalo would do it for a cookie still Mar 04 04:20:21 the questions is whether or not you are sure to provide him with your login credentials Mar 04 04:20:23 liar liar pants on fire! Mar 04 04:20:37 rwhitby: tell the truth.. you wrote ALL of it Mar 04 04:20:41 dBsooner: what's that about ##RTN# fixing a non-activating phone? Mar 04 04:20:50 jacques: it does Mar 04 04:20:57 dBsooner: why would I start an open source project if I wanted to write stuff myself ? Mar 04 04:20:58 dBsooner: I thought ##RTN# just showed some info about the device Mar 04 04:20:58 jacques: If the EV icon doesn't show up Mar 04 04:20:58 rwhirby: very interesting. . . for some reason i like programing i am currently taking java data structures but i hate it. . . do u have any tips? Mar 04 04:21:01 ##RTN# it Mar 04 04:21:15 Sebastian: learn C Mar 04 04:21:23 jacques: RTN = RETURN to manuf Mar 04 04:21:23 ewwww Mar 04 04:21:23 i was about to say the same thing Mar 04 04:21:25 dBsooner: that's if the phone fails to activate? Mar 04 04:21:26 its how to hard rewrite Mar 04 04:21:29 still better than asm Mar 04 04:21:34 you can also ##MSL# it Mar 04 04:21:46 which would mean reprogram MDN and MEID (MSID) Mar 04 04:21:56 rwhitby: Again, I said.. you wrote ALL of it Mar 04 04:22:07 rwhitby: is C easier? what is different? Mar 04 04:22:14 I'm taking both Java Advanced Data Structures and ASM/Binary programming this year in College Mar 04 04:22:20 Their a pain Mar 04 04:22:24 dbsooner thats why he said he did an open soruce Mar 04 04:22:26 source Mar 04 04:22:28 jacques: Yes. usually it fails OTA activation because the MEID is wrong.. you still ahve to have the ESN on an active account Mar 04 04:22:31 because he is borrowing some code as well Mar 04 04:22:37 so he didn't write all of it Mar 04 04:22:43 nope, rwhitby = god Mar 04 04:22:46 he wrote all Mar 04 04:22:53 true Mar 04 04:22:57 the other people just read his mind Mar 04 04:23:03 lol Mar 04 04:23:04 hahahah Mar 04 04:23:05 or he telepathically told them Mar 04 04:23:19 halfhalo. . .. how hard is java for you? Mar 04 04:23:24 not that hard Mar 04 04:23:26 rwhitby telepathically ssh's into his pre. Mar 04 04:23:34 Really really really easy Mar 04 04:23:48 sometimes i look at code prewritten on the book Mar 04 04:23:49 rails is much, much better though Mar 04 04:23:59 and think to myself i could never come up with something like this on my own Mar 04 04:23:59 learn C and the rest follows Mar 04 04:24:06 as in start from scratch Mar 04 04:24:19 learn C and you'll then know how stupid garbage collection is Mar 04 04:24:21 I dabbled in C++ for a while Mar 04 04:24:26 not a fan Mar 04 04:24:46 but then again, I dabbled at least 5 years ago Mar 04 04:25:16 i wish i had tons of time in my hands to practice programming Mar 04 04:25:26 C++ sucks. C rocks. Mar 04 04:25:34 C- is where it's at. Mar 04 04:25:37 lol Mar 04 04:25:39 isn't C++ based on C? Mar 04 04:25:39 I don't think I have any C books Mar 04 04:25:45 garbage collection = essential Mar 04 04:25:49 hell no Mar 04 04:25:50 only C# and C++ Mar 04 04:26:00 LISP ftw! Mar 04 04:26:06 PHP FTW Mar 04 04:26:08 garbage collection = essential for newbs! Mar 04 04:26:10 PuffTheMagic_ heard the C words Mar 04 04:26:31 is anyone here logged on from their pre? Mar 04 04:26:31 Eguy: no i saw # ++ Mar 04 04:26:32 what fun is programming without memleaks Mar 04 04:26:42 It makes life interesting! Mar 04 04:26:54 Luna has 200mb worth of mem leaks! Mar 04 04:27:01 "Hmmm. Why is my little loop using a bagillion ram?" Mar 04 04:27:25 no it doesn't Mar 04 04:27:26 Luna has ~ worth of mem leaks Mar 04 04:27:37 I use ~ because there is no infinite symbol Mar 04 04:27:40 where is the ipkg database file kept? Mar 04 04:27:54 . /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg Mar 04 04:28:04 lol Mar 04 04:28:07 lol Mar 04 04:28:15 is luna that bad? Mar 04 04:28:18 yes Mar 04 04:28:20 yes Mar 04 04:28:22 Power hungry whore Mar 04 04:28:27 Who, me? Mar 04 04:28:33 no, rwhitby. Mar 04 04:28:34 :p Mar 04 04:28:36 how can luna have mem leaks? isn't it in a GC lang? Mar 04 04:28:42 * dBsooner just got himself in trouble. Mar 04 04:28:46 what is gc? Mar 04 04:28:51 we can't know how many mem leaks luna has Mar 04 04:28:51 * halfhalo is laughing at dBsooner Mar 04 04:29:02 Garbage Collecting Mar 04 04:29:04 doesn't GC and HL make that impossible? Mar 04 04:29:11 I like Half Life Mar 04 04:29:14 and what is hl? Mar 04 04:29:26 Luna has a name that implies memhog Mar 04 04:30:24 doesn't luna use smart pointers too? Mar 04 04:30:50 smart pointers does not make luna smart Mar 04 04:30:55 its still dumb Mar 04 04:30:56 Anyone know if you can use an 1g or 2g iPhone as an iPod only? Mar 04 04:31:04 I guess there are no pointers in java ? Mar 04 04:31:04 no service.. just as an iPod. Mar 04 04:31:04 nice dBsooner. Mar 04 04:31:15 luna isn't java Mar 04 04:31:25 luna is c? Mar 04 04:31:29 I think you can if its JB dBsooner Mar 04 04:31:47 luna is a big bohemoth of C (and C++ I think) Mar 04 04:31:49 Yeah, I can't remember if you can or can't.. I am the resident cell phone junkie here. Mar 04 04:31:59 and being asked. Mar 04 04:32:03 google it Mar 04 04:32:08 google lies Mar 04 04:32:12 then Mar 04 04:32:13 bing it! Mar 04 04:32:14 I get asked crap all the time about notebooks Mar 04 04:32:19 I just googl eit all Mar 04 04:32:25 bing is worse.. it doesn't tell you its lying. Mar 04 04:32:29 meh Mar 04 04:32:30 if google lies then I'm a very poorly informed person Mar 04 04:32:40 bing is set as firefox's default engine right now Mar 04 04:32:41 because I've believed every word google has told me for 5 years! Mar 04 04:32:47 not pissed off enough to change it yet Mar 04 04:32:57 I believe Wikipedia Mar 04 04:33:01 HA Mar 04 04:33:02 word for word. Mar 04 04:33:06 why wouldn't you blieve wikipedia Mar 04 04:33:07 and WrongDiagnosis.com Mar 04 04:33:34 encyclopediadramatica.com is to be believed completely. Mar 04 04:33:41 dBsooner: so I have a pixi which is not activating. how do I do this ##RTN# thing? Mar 04 04:33:41 yes Mar 04 04:33:54 Holycrap Mar 04 04:33:56 jacques: In the phone app. Mar 04 04:34:05 computer with 40 ssd's in a raid array Mar 04 04:34:07 the phone is not activated! Mar 04 04:34:16 ? Mar 04 04:34:24 Eguy: how do I get to the phone app in a non-activated phone? Mar 04 04:34:27 you can make an "emergency call" Mar 04 04:34:43 just hit a keyboard key Mar 04 04:34:44 i don't think it takes the code like that Mar 04 04:34:48 it does Mar 04 04:34:53 I've been in the situation Mar 04 04:35:02 ohh Mar 04 04:35:07 OK once it gets through its 5 tries and fails - I do "Tap to place call" ? Mar 04 04:35:10 jacques: does it have the EV icon? Mar 04 04:35:17 dBsooner: nope Mar 04 04:35:21 jacques: ok Mar 04 04:35:28 is it at the "english" screen? Mar 04 04:35:33 lang selection? Mar 04 04:35:33 jacques, no once you do ##RTN# it pops up Mar 04 04:35:36 on the phone app Mar 04 04:35:41 not really RTN, but the numbers Mar 04 04:35:42 no wait.. Mar 04 04:35:45 shh Mar 04 04:35:55 shhh dbsooner is thinking Mar 04 04:36:07 Wait wait. jacques: Why do you have a pixi to begin with? Mar 04 04:36:18 yeah Mar 04 04:36:20 traitor Mar 04 04:36:22 dBsooner: I already confirmed english and it tried to activate - on try 5 of 5 now Mar 04 04:36:23 go back to main screen.. where you have options to to select something.. probably the screen that lets you select "Sign into current profile" or "new profile" Mar 04 04:36:33 then it will fail and show a HEX MEID Mar 04 04:36:40 what is the HEX MEID? Mar 04 04:36:43 is it right? Mar 04 04:37:03 it matches what's under the battery at least Mar 04 04:37:08 oh well .. regardless Mar 04 04:37:21 instead of tapping "sign in" or "create new" Mar 04 04:37:26 dBsooner: I've never seen a "sign into profile" on this phone Mar 04 04:37:32 just hold down Orange key and hit "##" Mar 04 04:37:34 place a call Mar 04 04:37:39 no. Mar 04 04:37:39 first thing it does after lang is tries to activate itself Mar 04 04:37:41 don't press place call Mar 04 04:37:53 OK it failed Mar 04 04:37:53 dBsooner, he could have Mar 04 04:37:54 doesn't matter Mar 04 04:38:05 just get the stupid phone app up Mar 04 04:38:06 just hit "ORANGE+#+#" Mar 04 04:38:06 now what? Mar 04 04:38:10 that sould pop up the dialer Mar 04 04:38:39 OK it popped up Mar 04 04:38:47 if you hit "place a call" it just gives you an option for "call customer service/call emergency/cancel" Mar 04 04:38:49 (no orange on pixi BTW ;-) Mar 04 04:38:55 yeah, its grey/white Mar 04 04:39:01 now hit 786 # Mar 04 04:39:02 dBsooner, so what call emergency brings up the phone app Mar 04 04:39:11 egaudet: and dials automatically Mar 04 04:39:14 says who Mar 04 04:39:17 me Mar 04 04:39:21 I have done it a bunch Mar 04 04:39:24 lies Mar 04 04:39:31 dude.. I work at a sprint store Mar 04 04:39:34 so Mar 04 04:39:36 lol Mar 04 04:39:44 dBsooner: OK it went to "reverse logistics support" page Mar 04 04:39:46 sprint has nothing to do with the firstuse app Mar 04 04:39:52 jacques: scroll to bottom Mar 04 04:40:00 egaudet: but supporting the device does Mar 04 04:40:05 it doesn't dial atutomatically when the phone is activated and on the lock screen. . . i think i does before the activation Mar 04 04:40:08 jacques: should see a "reset" Mar 04 04:40:21 Sebastian: correct. Mar 04 04:40:23 dBsooner: OK scrolled to bottom Mar 04 04:40:29 see reset Mar 04 04:40:31 jacques: is there a "RESET" option Mar 04 04:40:32 hit that Mar 04 04:40:37 `k Mar 04 04:40:41 should ask for MSL Mar 04 04:40:46 Master Subsidy Lock Mar 04 04:40:51 spell checkj Mar 04 04:40:56 master stupid lock Mar 04 04:40:59 lol Mar 04 04:41:01 close enough Mar 04 04:41:02 lol Mar 04 04:41:09 yeah it's asking for MSL Mar 04 04:41:14 jacques: call sprint Mar 04 04:41:15 get it Mar 04 04:41:21 6 digit code Mar 04 04:41:21 argh Mar 04 04:41:21 or you can get it online Mar 04 04:41:24 #2... "yeah hi what's my msl"... "thanks, bye" Mar 04 04:41:31 yeah Mar 04 04:41:31 but but Mar 04 04:41:34 by "upgrading" phones Mar 04 04:41:37 jacques: you must Mar 04 04:41:40 this phone belongs to palm Mar 04 04:41:46 rofl Mar 04 04:41:54 lol Mar 04 04:41:58 how will I explain how I came into possession of it? Mar 04 04:41:58 lol Mar 04 04:41:59 jacques: Where did you get that? Mar 04 04:42:08 internet Mar 04 04:42:11 He obviously stoled it. Mar 04 04:42:14 palm donated it - it would not activate so we didn't give it away Mar 04 04:42:16 jacques: no wonder it won't activate.. it has to be ACTIVE on an account Mar 04 04:42:28 the other three phones they donated activated fine Mar 04 04:42:41 regardless.. call sprint Mar 04 04:42:42 they are all supposed to have 3 months of service Mar 04 04:42:43 get msl Mar 04 04:42:56 call sprint on this phone ? Mar 04 04:43:02 get your SN first Mar 04 04:43:08 yeah Mar 04 04:43:47 i have a qeuestion Mar 04 04:43:58 my wifi is not working properly Mar 04 04:44:00 we don't have an answer Mar 04 04:44:00 orly Mar 04 04:44:20 Sebastian: get a new router Mar 04 04:44:20 It turns on and connects and eveything but has a veryyyy veryyy lousy range Mar 04 04:44:28 its not the router Mar 04 04:44:32 lies Mar 04 04:44:36 on any wifi spot it won't work Mar 04 04:44:38 i agree with lies Mar 04 04:44:41 Sebastian: You need to put it on the ground. Mar 04 04:44:42 laptops work fine Mar 04 04:44:45 and then take a car Mar 04 04:44:45 bad phone Mar 04 04:44:49 go back and forth. Mar 04 04:44:52 phew - back to 1627 apps with a new profile on cdma-pre Mar 04 04:44:53 hold i tby your elbow Mar 04 04:44:54 bad robot? Mar 04 04:44:56 and hold your arm inthe air Mar 04 04:45:13 rwhitby: you have 1627 apps installed? Mar 04 04:45:14 dbsooner Mar 04 04:45:24 rwhitby, WHAT Mar 04 04:45:27 do u think sprint will exchange my phone if i take it in for repairs? Mar 04 04:45:27 dBsooner: no, 1627 apps available Mar 04 04:45:30 available? Mar 04 04:45:31 ahh Mar 04 04:45:33 dBsooner: He hacked the app catalog to give him free apps. Mar 04 04:45:37 nice Mar 04 04:45:41 lol Mar 04 04:45:52 They pay ME to install them. Mar 04 04:45:53 :D Mar 04 04:46:07 I have bought a total of 5 apps, and paid $6 per month to Visa Debit Cards for the privilege Mar 04 04:46:09 and they pay me to not break into their offices Mar 04 04:46:21 I have quite a few apps Mar 04 04:46:25 I think I have bought 5 apps also Mar 04 04:46:30 I dunno about this. I can see what's going to happen. I call sprint, they ask my name, then screw up my personal account Mar 04 04:46:32 I am unsure Mar 04 04:46:33 favorite has to be newsroom though Mar 04 04:46:35 where do u currently live rwhirby? Mar 04 04:46:41 powernap, deal alert, glad thats not me, Lets Golf... Mar 04 04:46:44 jacques, they don't touch anything Mar 04 04:46:49 they take your SN and give you your MSL Mar 04 04:46:51 Sebastian: why am I concerned that you are a stalker ... Mar 04 04:46:52 I like Feeds better than newsroom Mar 04 04:47:00 nothing done on their end just say "give me my msl" Mar 04 04:47:07 ha ha ha ha Mar 04 04:47:10 oh not its just because u use visa debit cards Mar 04 04:47:15 and pay 6 a month Mar 04 04:47:18 or make sure they know you know what you are talking about and ask for "master subsidy lock" Mar 04 04:47:23 which imlies u are outside the us Mar 04 04:47:25 usa Mar 04 04:47:39 implies* Mar 04 04:47:50 Sebastian: rwhitby is from Mars. Mar 04 04:47:56 Man I am totally digging this facebook update Mar 04 04:48:01 Not venus? Mar 04 04:48:02 i thought rwhitby was in ohio? Mar 04 04:48:15 oil: Nah that is Jesus. Mar 04 04:48:15 sebastian, you're like a CSI or something, lol. Mar 04 04:48:19 they have internet in ohio? Mar 04 04:48:28 hahah Mar 04 04:48:28 rofl halfhalo Mar 04 04:48:49 They have a lot of fat people in Ohio Mar 04 04:49:08 You haven't been to Texas have you? Mar 04 04:49:08 how do u guys send messages directed to me? Mar 04 04:49:10 they have to hibernate during the winter! Mar 04 04:49:10 ~google "rwhitby live in" Mar 04 04:49:11 what is the format? Mar 04 04:49:14 you wanna see fat? Dear god.. Mar 04 04:49:22 ~botslap Mar 04 04:49:24 * infobot cowers away from rwhitby Mar 04 04:49:31 i think there are a lot of fat people everywhere Mar 04 04:49:53 Mitalis: Many times Mar 04 04:50:06 You are correct. Texas has the fattest cities in the world. Mar 04 04:50:16 But Ohio has some very large people. Mar 04 04:50:28 Just look at the food in Texas though. Dear God. Mar 04 04:50:29 rwhitby, maybe you should take it easy on infobot, lol Mar 04 04:50:37 ~~~~~ Mar 04 04:50:38 grrrr Mar 04 04:50:41 ha Mar 04 04:50:45 ~hug rwhitby Mar 04 04:50:46 * infobot hugs rwhitby tightly until rwhitby turns slightly blue Mar 04 04:50:51 ~botsnack Mar 04 04:50:51 aw, gee, rwhitby Mar 04 04:50:58 lol Mar 04 04:51:19 ~lick halfhalo Mar 04 04:51:19 * infobot licks halfhalo *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Mar 04 04:51:26 WOW Mar 04 04:51:31 ~kungfu infobot Mar 04 04:51:47 i found out infobot knows spanish, told him thank you, he aswered de nada Mar 04 04:51:49 does anyone here have teh exetnded battery ? Mar 04 04:51:53 1400mha Mar 04 04:51:57 ~gender Mar 04 04:51:58 I'm female Mar 04 04:51:59 * halfhalo grabs knife and runs while screaming at Eguy Mar 04 04:52:08 ~height Mar 04 04:52:12 Sebastian: Mines shipping out tomorrow Mar 04 04:52:21 Sebastian: I have the 1350mah battery. It doesn't add any extra life. Mar 04 04:52:24 ~ASL Mar 04 04:52:25 Old enough, yes please, my place. Mar 04 04:52:34 how much did u guys pay? Mar 04 04:52:39 31 Mar 04 04:52:41 i need anything bigger than the current one Mar 04 04:52:42 shupped Mar 04 04:52:45 and a new battery as it is Mar 04 04:52:55 i charge my phone at least 3 times a day hahaha Mar 04 04:52:59 ~lart halfhalo Mar 04 04:52:59 * infobot turns halfhalo into a lifesized tux doll Mar 04 04:53:11 well then Mar 04 04:53:20 I'm a doll apparently Mar 04 04:53:48 i just charge at night Mar 04 04:53:57 I charge twice a day Mar 04 04:54:13 My pre is always on the Touchstone Mar 04 04:54:15 but newsroom, twee, friendsflow, and 5 chat accounts are always open Mar 04 04:54:23 s/touchstone/puck/ Mar 04 04:54:32 holy cow why 5 chat accounts? Mar 04 04:54:39 wait Mar 04 04:54:40 6 Mar 04 04:54:45 4 gchat Mar 04 04:54:47 2 aim Mar 04 04:54:50 oh Mar 04 04:54:53 and a yahoo Mar 04 04:54:59 O_o Mar 04 04:55:01 must have a lot of friends Mar 04 04:55:03 but why 4 diffferent gchat? Mar 04 04:55:07 too many Mar 04 04:55:11 two for google apps Mar 04 04:55:12 goodness Mar 04 04:55:13 Anyone alpha testing Preware 0.9.29 ? Mar 04 04:55:14 one for school Mar 04 04:55:21 one regular gmail Mar 04 04:55:26 what's it got Mar 04 04:55:32 do u do over the air technical suppport or something? Mar 04 04:55:34 Or he stalks women and they keep blocking his various accounts. Mar 04 04:55:42 No Mar 04 04:55:49 But I'm a forum mod for a large forum Mar 04 04:55:53 egaudet: search over descriptions, and lots of good bug fixes Mar 04 04:55:58 lol Mar 04 04:56:02 4chan? Mar 04 04:56:09 notebookreview Mar 04 04:56:33 ohhhh interesting Mar 04 04:56:36 and the next version will have feed addition+deletion :) Mar 04 04:56:41 or rather Mar 04 04:56:44 the release of this version Mar 04 04:56:48 lies! Mar 04 04:56:50 Does anyone know how to restore the original bookmarks? My browser formatted on me. :( Mar 04 04:56:52 as long as you don't break it oil Mar 04 04:56:55 I hav ebeen waiting on feed management for months Mar 04 04:57:01 * oil knows rwhitby will add it to the service :) Mar 04 04:57:08 what was the "update all app catalog problem" Mar 04 04:57:29 it was that they weren't skipped Mar 04 04:57:33 i think Mar 04 04:57:40 well, i made it ignore them Mar 04 04:58:21 why is it I'm so productive while watching kitchen knightmares? Mar 04 04:58:29 luna manager in app menu? nice Mar 04 04:58:35 lol Mar 04 04:58:38 it was one scene Mar 04 04:58:44 oh yeah, forgot about that :-) Mar 04 04:58:58 and used the ipkgmanager to do the stuff Mar 04 04:59:01 so i figured why not Mar 04 04:59:01 id like luna manager in the menu Mar 04 04:59:08 with the option to disable the prompt Mar 04 04:59:10 its in there Mar 04 04:59:11 after every patch Mar 04 04:59:14 FuMan: your wish is granted Mar 04 04:59:18 2 parter. Mar 04 04:59:21 (except for the option) Mar 04 04:59:25 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/03/more-blackberry-slider-pics-appear-is-this-the-next-bold/ hehe, way to go Palm Mar 04 04:59:35 Gordon Ramsay is awesome Mar 04 04:59:35 lol Mar 04 04:59:36 well, im in for a half and half O_o Mar 04 04:59:39 yes he is Mar 04 04:59:44 we could add that option, someone add it to the trac Mar 04 04:59:54 its just a bummer Mar 04 04:59:57 that there was like a month Mar 04 05:00:03 when the "view" prompt was killed Mar 04 05:00:11 before the "luna" prompt was introduced Mar 04 05:00:15 I wish I had an IM on/off in the app drop down Mar 04 05:00:21 an option for always ask, always skip, always restart Mar 04 05:00:23 same Mar 04 05:00:30 I hate having to go into messaging -> buddies -> turn off IM Mar 04 05:00:50 i wish IM could have individual accounts Mar 04 05:00:55 id like to idle gmail, and not aim O)o Mar 04 05:00:58 I wish I could tell what accounts were signed in and not Mar 04 05:01:03 although Mar 04 05:01:08 my batter would be even more dogcrap Mar 04 05:01:12 so, probably for the best its not an option Mar 04 05:01:23 IM on the Pre is horrible Mar 04 05:01:34 Palm should have made a separate app Mar 04 05:01:38 why? Mar 04 05:01:55 but... but... synergy synergy synergy Mar 04 05:01:57 So that it doesn't suck ;) Mar 04 05:02:05 heh, not having a default f-ing contact number, is suck. Mar 04 05:02:12 and destroy the battery. Mar 04 05:02:19 just use wirc Mar 04 05:02:24 EFFORT Mar 04 05:02:30 well, not the one with the handwarmer code Mar 04 05:02:35 is wirc out of alpha? Mar 04 05:02:41 meh Mar 04 05:02:41 lol, no Mar 04 05:02:42 or betha Mar 04 05:02:43 wirc can't do MSN and AIM Mar 04 05:02:47 its pretty stable though Mar 04 05:02:59 but bitlbee can ;) Mar 04 05:03:02 Pretty darn stable Mar 04 05:03:04 it only crashes ONCE an hour! Mar 04 05:03:06 gonna have a new release soonish Mar 04 05:03:11 no, itl last all day Mar 04 05:03:12 didnt hope do wirc also? Mar 04 05:03:13 i'd say more than stable IMO Mar 04 05:03:17 I'm an irssi+irc+bitlbee guy Mar 04 05:03:19 yeah Mar 04 05:03:21 What's wrong with the current release? Mar 04 05:03:24 Its only crashed once on me Mar 04 05:03:28 Trillian FTW :D Mar 04 05:03:39 Pidgin Mar 04 05:03:39 nothing is wrong with it Mar 04 05:03:40 or Adium Mar 04 05:03:41 egaudet: So, 0.9.29 works? Mar 04 05:03:43 trillian Mar 04 05:03:45 depending on the computer O_o Mar 04 05:03:46 Adium is lame Mar 04 05:03:49 its the code in git thats got bad code Mar 04 05:03:52 OH SNAP Mar 04 05:04:05 Too unstable Mar 04 05:04:05 you're lame :> Mar 04 05:04:18 really? i dont think ive had a crash in a year and a half Mar 04 05:04:19 Trillian and Adium are tied Mar 04 05:04:27 I've never had any issues or crashes with wirc Mar 04 05:04:27 but, i only use on protocol, sometimes two Mar 04 05:04:36 I have many protocols Mar 04 05:04:45 haven't installed it yet rwhitby adding test feed to dev pre now Mar 04 05:04:45 I use 6 protocols on trillian, never a crash. Mar 04 05:05:07 dev pre? Mar 04 05:05:08 wtf? Mar 04 05:05:12 xD Mar 04 05:05:18 ? Mar 04 05:05:21 I'm lost Mar 04 05:05:27 not a rare occurance though. Mar 04 05:05:32 egaudet stoled some pre's from palm HQ Mar 04 05:06:00 borrowed* Mar 04 05:06:02 * mjkjr can't find his phone anywhere, no home phone to call it from lol Mar 04 05:06:04 So THATS why that locked drawer was empty! Mar 04 05:06:13 whats the number Mar 04 05:06:18 i am sure somoene here will call :D Mar 04 05:06:23 555-5555 Mar 04 05:06:26 HEY Mar 04 05:06:29 THATS MY NUMBER Mar 04 05:06:32 You will have to guess the area code :P Mar 04 05:06:36 555? Mar 04 05:06:40 Nope Mar 04 05:06:47 1? Mar 04 05:06:48 911 Mar 04 05:06:55 lies! that is the phone number for the cab company on grand theft auto $! Mar 04 05:06:57 4! Mar 04 05:07:16 Accidentias? 222-2222 Mar 04 05:07:31 Anyone in LA will understand that. Mar 04 05:07:59 yeah Mar 04 05:08:06 stupid ads Mar 04 05:08:12 You from LA halfhalo? Mar 04 05:08:20 San Frenando Valley Mar 04 05:08:32 Your kidding. Mar 04 05:08:35 What part? Mar 04 05:08:36 Nope Mar 04 05:08:36 lol Mar 04 05:08:40 Granada Hills Mar 04 05:08:41 eguy is going to stalk you now Mar 04 05:08:48 * Eguy gets in the car. Mar 04 05:08:52 why is it raining right now... Mar 04 05:09:01 what, is there a lion? Mar 04 05:09:07 yes Mar 04 05:09:08 I know, I wish it would stop raining here already. Mar 04 05:09:10 IN YOUT PANTS Mar 04 05:09:18 good thing im not wearing any Mar 04 05:09:20 that works for both oil and eguy Mar 04 05:09:24 Grenada Hills is a nice area. Mar 04 05:09:26 that could have been dangerous Mar 04 05:09:27 * mjkjr|wirc is holding his phone now Mar 04 05:09:35 yeah Mar 04 05:09:38 where are you? Mar 04 05:09:45 * Eguy is holding his oh I can't say that in here Mar 04 05:10:00 I'm in downtown Mar 04 05:10:03 hahhahahahaha Mar 04 05:10:14 downtown LA? Mar 04 05:10:17 Si Mar 04 05:10:21 nice Mar 04 05:10:29 i've always wanted to go to CA Mar 04 05:10:38 I hate this freaking rain. Mar 04 05:10:41 I'm always in downtown... but that's cause I live there Mar 04 05:10:48 slightly different downtown though Mar 04 05:10:54 East LA? Mar 04 05:11:00 Minneapolis Mar 04 05:11:05 Ah. Mar 04 05:11:33 I may have understated the amount of difference there Mar 04 05:12:01 Precisely. Mar 04 05:12:04 heh Mar 04 05:12:30 my preware is still at the splashscreen Mar 04 05:13:18 that dang preware Mar 04 05:13:28 ...or that dang pre? Mar 04 05:13:30 Preware is the worst program for webOS. Mar 04 05:13:47 I was gonna buy a prÄ“ and then bills came :( Mar 04 05:13:49 I KNOW Mar 04 05:13:53 Who ever made that piece of oh... forgot which room I was in. Mar 04 05:13:58 lol Mar 04 05:14:04 * oil gets +o to ban eguy Mar 04 05:14:11 lol Mar 04 05:14:20 lol Mar 04 05:14:21 * halfhalo wants -o. Or a cookie. Mar 04 05:14:24 irc cage fight to the death? Mar 04 05:14:31 * Eguy +b oil Mar 04 05:14:34 eguy would lose Mar 04 05:14:38 I call broadcasting rights! Mar 04 05:14:39 or death of internet connection? :) Mar 04 05:14:46 I would lose because oil is so slippery. Mar 04 05:14:56 hehe Mar 04 05:14:58 * oil would get halfhalo to cut eguys wires Mar 04 05:15:03 Eguy, fight oil with fire? Mar 04 05:15:11 * Eguy would light a math. Mar 04 05:15:14 * halfhalo would do that Mar 04 05:15:17 s/math/match/ Mar 04 05:15:28 ~botsmack Mar 04 05:15:29 OWW! Mar 04 05:15:32 can't fix those Mar 04 05:15:37 lol Mar 04 05:15:42 * oil would run in fear of the maths Mar 04 05:15:45 why is everyone so mean to infobot Mar 04 05:15:52 because? Mar 04 05:16:00 infobot cheated on all of us. Mar 04 05:16:04 ~botsnack Mar 04 05:16:04 aw, gee, mjkjr Mar 04 05:16:21 She's a self-loathing whore. Mar 04 05:16:21 i saw infobot left a couple times today Mar 04 05:16:34 infbot: why would you leave us? Mar 04 05:16:36 people were trying to lart people who werent here Mar 04 05:16:47 ~oil's brother Mar 04 05:16:48 mousey killed him that way Mar 04 05:16:51 oh yeah.. Mar 04 05:16:57 oops Mar 04 05:16:58 i dont have a brother Mar 04 05:17:03 ~lart oil's brother Mar 04 05:17:03 * infobot calls oil's brother on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home Mar 04 05:17:41 Proof google is evil: http://i.imgur.com/50C26.jpg Mar 04 05:18:02 lol Mar 04 05:18:04 holy crap Mar 04 05:18:16 not what i was expecting Mar 04 05:18:35 lol Mar 04 05:18:39 that deer was askin for it Mar 04 05:18:47 :( Mar 04 05:18:49 he wanted to be on camera, and got too excited and tripped Mar 04 05:18:56 not like he got hit or anything Mar 04 05:18:58 He wasn't ready for his closeup.... Mar 04 05:19:03 lol Mar 04 05:19:05 just a fawn... Mar 04 05:19:19 Achievement Unlocked: Dead fawn Mar 04 05:19:24 5G Mar 04 05:19:40 maybe it was taking a nap? Mar 04 05:20:19 they threw treats on the ground Mar 04 05:20:22 and its trying to get to them Mar 04 05:20:26 preware works for me Mar 04 05:20:33 ofcourse it does Mar 04 05:20:40 did you turn on description searching? Mar 04 05:20:51 how is it on search speed? Mar 04 05:21:01 3 dots still there? Mar 04 05:21:05 lol Mar 04 05:21:35 wherever they came from anyways Mar 04 05:23:05 I think i just did something stupid. . . . . or the pre is doing something stupid. I paused all downloads and jsut resumed them all at the same time and they all finished downloading but they are taking long to install Mar 04 05:23:16 could it be they are all being installed at the same time? Mar 04 05:23:43 You just broke your pre Mar 04 05:24:10 lol Mar 04 05:24:15 i don't know what's going on here Mar 04 05:24:20 http://mini.x0.com/category/webos/ Mar 04 05:24:41 does anyone read japanese? Mar 04 05:24:43 my list of apps just changed to the 2nd line only no more app names Mar 04 05:24:45 oil Mar 04 05:24:51 ? Mar 04 05:25:05 all the app names disappeared in my sarch Mar 04 05:25:06 search* Mar 04 05:25:13 that makes no sense Mar 04 05:25:34 ypu make no sense Mar 04 05:25:44 you Mar 04 05:26:00 i'm guessing when matching a description it doesn't show app name Mar 04 05:26:09 it should Mar 04 05:26:18 there is no change to the display code Mar 04 05:26:25 ok type in key Mar 04 05:26:30 all the apps come up Mar 04 05:26:43 tap an app, then go back, no more app names Mar 04 05:26:45 Sebastian: it sets up the Alt key to type in Kanji Mar 04 05:26:47 just line 2 (version/maintainer) Mar 04 05:27:13 huh Mar 04 05:27:13 rly!? Mar 04 05:27:14 and then I can't use keyboard to type unless I re-highlight the top search bar Mar 04 05:27:18 what did you search for? Mar 04 05:27:26 key Mar 04 05:27:36 rwhitby so which one do i install?? do u know japanese too? Mar 04 05:28:09 huh Mar 04 05:28:11 then tapped the top found app block breaker lite Mar 04 05:28:15 and then back gesture Mar 04 05:28:20 then 2 seconds and the app names disappear Mar 04 05:28:37 catalog feed? Mar 04 05:28:48 no Mar 04 05:28:51 Sebastian: basically chose USA or EFIGS Mar 04 05:28:57 themes? Mar 04 05:29:07 what are you asking Mar 04 05:29:13 do you have that feed on Mar 04 05:29:24 oh i have all feeds except themes on Mar 04 05:29:36 and then my device went to sleep I awoke it and the names are back Mar 04 05:30:20 rwhitby: i am confused. what do u mean? Mar 04 05:30:30 http://img42.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403002722.png/ Mar 04 05:30:53 So what do you guys think of Blackberry's Pre? :) Mar 04 05:30:59 Sebastian: you're asking about wget http://mini.x0.com/webos/japanese.sh, right? Mar 04 05:31:30 psykoz: It looks....... too java integrated YEEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH Mar 04 05:31:44 *grins* Mar 04 05:31:50 lol Mar 04 05:31:56 i want to download this http://mini.x0.com/2010/01/04/760/ Mar 04 05:32:08 is there a way to put the url of the ipk on preware? Mar 04 05:32:59 egaudet: i can't reproduce it :/ Mar 04 05:34:36 all feeds on except prethemer and precentral-themes including test feed Mar 04 05:34:49 yeah, i did that Mar 04 05:34:54 go to available packages -> all Mar 04 05:35:03 type key Mar 04 05:35:13 go to block breaker lite Mar 04 05:35:14 back gesture Mar 04 05:35:16 wait 2 seconds Mar 04 05:37:17 no, nothin Mar 04 05:38:34 well you're just lyin Mar 04 05:38:38 lol Mar 04 05:38:39 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://mini.x0.com/2010/01/19/776/ <- "Proceed third-party apps (preware Do you want me)" Mar 04 05:38:39 im not Mar 04 05:38:44 can anyone else reproduce this? Mar 04 05:39:25 I'm a male so no. Mar 04 05:39:29 egaudet: yep, it took out any titles which didn't match the search. Mar 04 05:40:17 that doesn't make sense Mar 04 05:40:30 it's A) counterintuitive and B) doesn't happen until I navigate away and back Mar 04 05:40:42 and oil can't reproduce it Mar 04 05:40:49 rwhitby: like this: http://img42.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403002722.png/ Mar 04 05:40:49 ? Mar 04 05:41:24 oil: yep. Mar 04 05:41:33 what Mar 04 05:41:49 repeated it with 'h' and FlashCards Lite and the same thing happens - all titles without a 'h' disappear Mar 04 05:41:52 http://img46.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403004112.png/ Mar 04 05:42:35 so, available packages->applications->all? Mar 04 05:43:08 oil: yep Mar 04 05:43:29 I just did top->Available Applications->All Mar 04 05:43:53 yep, very repeatable Mar 04 05:44:39 well lets see if i can get it to happen in the emulator Mar 04 05:44:48 what is top-> ? Mar 04 05:45:46 the icons seem to "refresh" Mar 04 05:45:53 and that's when all the name filtering happens Mar 04 05:47:20 egaudet: I have show available types set to yes Mar 04 05:51:30 night Mar 04 06:00:52 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/pkg-list-assistant.js;h=b21bf26fad21804f6667fcb793ceb01aa2208a46;hp=bea321bd71a47578aab9ca343ef5f26cadf7064c;hb=f18d7e4d66f52ff6c26a910a86f9fd6d08c597b8;hpb=619e896144729d1997aa66787c881f4ef0a626b0 Mar 04 06:01:30 that url was massive Mar 04 06:01:41 yeah Mar 04 06:01:43 shadyurl.com Mar 04 06:04:05 dBsooner, ping Mar 04 06:04:09 ? Mar 04 06:04:37 pie Mar 04 06:04:45 dBsooner, problem w/ sprintnav patches....only garbage found Mar 04 06:04:51 ? Mar 04 06:05:45 they work fine from the originals that i submitted Mar 04 06:05:53 but not in preware Mar 04 06:07:04 dBsooner, ideas? Mar 04 06:07:36 sslow: do you generate the patches on windows or a real OS ? Mar 04 06:07:45 lolol Mar 04 06:08:02 lulz Mar 04 06:08:03 dBsooner, win7 fake os. lol Mar 04 06:08:19 my first guess is line endings Mar 04 06:08:20 lol Mar 04 06:08:22 dBsooner, all of mine on win 7 Mar 04 06:08:39 rwhitby: an OS is a just a means to an end. Mar 04 06:09:14 Eguy: well spoken :) Mar 04 06:09:20 though I am a linux guy myself.. Mar 04 06:09:25 Eguy: exactly, so in this case you need to use an OS that can accomplish the end goal Mar 04 06:09:51 If your end goal is to play Halo 3, use Windows. Mar 04 06:10:02 rwhitby, all of my others work fine....why these? Mar 04 06:10:06 2 Mar 04 06:10:08 You can't play Halo 3 on Windows. Mar 04 06:10:21 there you go, it's not even good enough for that! Mar 04 06:10:37 speaking of os's and games, who here has seen the new vavle apple commercials? Mar 04 06:10:45 You can view the weather through Windows. Mar 04 06:10:58 and viruses! Mar 04 06:11:12 hmm - there really is no way to remove the package manager service using Preware, is there ... Mar 04 06:11:14 *typed on a windows computer^ Mar 04 06:12:22 and you don't see ipkgservice as an icon, nor in device info Mar 04 06:13:33 findapps sees it, but can't delete it Mar 04 06:13:44 rwhitby, dBsooner just tried w/ wosqi 3.02 and installed fie! Mar 04 06:13:57 fie/fine Mar 04 06:13:58 i'll look later Mar 04 06:14:08 dBsooner, k thanks Mar 04 06:15:03 Does ClockSync install properly for anyone else (app catalog) ? Mar 04 06:16:36 checking Mar 04 06:18:18 yes Mar 04 06:19:57 hmm - something weird is going on Mar 04 06:21:04 preware 0.9.29 ? it's like christmas every time I open preware Mar 04 06:21:16 lol Mar 04 06:21:19 lol Mar 04 06:22:28 heh Mar 04 06:22:33 gaming on webOS could be 100 times better Mar 04 06:22:38 if they fixed that minimum drag distance Mar 04 06:22:40 that is going on Mar 04 06:22:58 lol Mar 04 06:23:19 I wish they let the kb be used as controls Mar 04 06:23:29 meh Mar 04 06:23:33 that wouldnt really be optimal either Mar 04 06:23:41 but Mar 04 06:23:44 keyboard = horrible for directional controls Mar 04 06:23:51 the rejection of minimal movements is horrid Mar 04 06:27:06 sslow: submit your patches again Mar 04 06:27:24 excellent, the ipkg downloaded by the app catalog doesn't match that in the palm xml feeds Mar 04 06:27:26 sslow: nm Mar 04 06:27:52 mjkjr|wirc: what Mar 04 06:27:58 dBsooner, what was it Mar 04 06:28:02 ? Mar 04 06:28:22 mjkjr|wirc: is the md5sum in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*clocksync*.control ? Mar 04 06:28:49 does anybody kno how to fix the ipkg error Mar 04 06:31:05 depends which one Mar 04 06:31:10 man I just love P|C.net this time of night Mar 04 06:31:27 n00bs come out in force? Mar 04 06:31:29 dBsooner, no shit...... Mar 04 06:31:45 palm pree Mar 04 06:31:46 no Mar 04 06:31:50 its slower than dirt Mar 04 06:31:58 and doesn't work at all Mar 04 06:32:12 dBsooner, every friggin night at this time Mar 04 06:32:16 504 Gateway Time-out Mar 04 06:32:16 nginx Mar 04 06:32:27 yep.. they should really work on a better backup solution Mar 04 06:32:27 yep, md5sum mismatch causes app catalog to not install something Mar 04 06:32:39 dBsooner, notice its just the forum though Mar 04 06:33:52 yeah, I know. Mar 04 06:34:28 dBsooner, the patches...my fault or no? Mar 04 06:34:46 no Mar 04 06:35:01 dBsooner, coll thanks Mar 04 06:35:10 coll/cool Mar 04 06:40:41 my icons have all vanished from launcher pages after installing new patches and doing a luna reboot. How do I retrieve them, please..... Mar 04 06:42:37 can anyone help Mar 04 06:42:41 dBsooner: Any luck? Mar 04 06:43:56 Nrbelex: not yet Mar 04 06:44:19 dBsooner: Lemme know when you get there Mar 04 06:55:02 rwhitby: tweeted Mar 04 06:58:35 oh wow, Mobile Hotspot is working now w/ sprint? Mar 04 07:12:57 Mitalis: how? what? Mar 04 07:13:11 hasnt it always? Mar 04 07:13:37 yeah, i think it always worked via freetether and ipforwarding Mar 04 07:15:09 Hello. Does someone know if the dosbox package in the WebOS Internals PDK is actively maintained and we can expect a usable IPK soon? Mar 04 07:19:33 anyone around? Mar 04 07:20:18 No. Mar 04 07:20:38 booo Mar 04 07:20:53 night ya'll Mar 04 07:20:59 well let me know when anyone gets back Mar 04 07:21:21 cause im having some difficulties and im really not wanting to run webos doctor lol Mar 04 07:26:43 hmm Mar 04 07:28:53 o well.. fell asleep.. 1.4 installed.. now webosquick install shows patchs that arent on my phone when i look. Preware shows them and cant remove nor can quickinstall. Cant find epr on preware, Preware and quickinstall all up to date Mar 04 07:32:11 nvm, it looks like MHS isn't quite working on sprint yet.. Looks like people are able to get the service running again, but no devices are able to obtain a local IP to connect Mar 04 07:33:05 hi, can anyone help me out with some webosdoctor problems im having? Mar 04 07:35:40 i was updating the modem files on my pre and the process jammed and I had to restart my phone Mar 04 07:35:53 now when starting up the pre it only comes up as 'phone offline' Mar 04 07:36:12 i've tried cycling through aeroplane mode, restarting the phone etc and it just stays on phone offline so i assume i've pretty well broken something Mar 04 07:36:41 Mitalis: are you trying it with freetether's ip forwarding? Mar 04 07:36:42 i'm now trying to webosdoctor the phone but it gets past about 58% and says 'Unable to reset your phone' Mar 04 07:37:15 no I was using Jason's auto enable IP forwarding patch for MHS Mar 04 07:37:32 ah, ok. Mar 04 07:37:39 I was following the instructions in this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/226490-how-install-mobile-hot-spot-sprint-pre.html Mar 04 07:37:45 is this the wrong place for this? Mar 04 07:38:18 Shootz try a different USB port Mar 04 07:38:45 yeah i've tried that, i've gone through the process a few times now Mar 04 07:39:25 when i restart the phone after that partial webosdoctor it looks like it wants to start the profile login, but still says 'phone offline' and then shows 'Phone error - Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved' Mar 04 07:39:25 try reinstalling it using 1.3.5 Mar 04 07:39:42 i've tried doing webosdoctor versions for 1.4 and 1.3.5 but both are doing just the same thing Mar 04 07:39:56 if one of the modem files is damaged, would that stop webosdoctor working properly? Mar 04 07:40:12 Honestly I don't know =\ Mar 04 07:40:38 right on Mar 04 07:40:39 is your phone within the 30 day trial? Mar 04 07:40:49 no it's not Mar 04 07:41:01 would be nice just to be able to flick it back Mar 04 07:41:03 but no suck luck Mar 04 07:41:10 such luck even Mar 04 07:41:11 Might want to contact palm via chat then Mar 04 07:41:16 see if they can troubleshoot Mar 04 07:41:55 should i not mention that i was trying to edit files on the device? Mar 04 07:42:01 as in, the system files? Mar 04 07:42:20 should matter, webos doctor should reflash the whole phone Mar 04 07:42:28 shouldn't* matter Mar 04 07:42:55 cool, ill give that a go i guess Mar 04 07:42:55 thanks Mar 04 07:43:17 odd... I can't find the technical chat link on Palm's website anymore... Mar 04 07:43:41 i've found it, there are about four hoops to go through but its on one of the support pages Mar 04 07:52:38 aaaand wouldn't you know it, looks like palm chat isn't working either Mar 04 08:06:26 Mitalis: trying it out right now. will let you know how it works Mar 04 08:17:47 Mitalis: hm... i just tried it. it seems to connect and give an ip but it doesnt actually work. Mar 04 08:18:02 im lost on why quickinstall says it needs to "transition" my patchs over but when it tries it fines none "cause i dont have any " but then closes out the window and it just keeps repeating Mar 04 08:18:19 i can even see the boxes and a few have checks in them.. when they shouldnt??? Mar 04 09:13:50 Unable to set 640x480 video mode: SDL_HWSURFACE and/or SDL_DOUBLEBUF not supported Mar 04 09:14:08 what's the actual resolution of the pre's display? Mar 04 09:20:57 haha Mar 04 09:21:00 i got missile command working Mar 04 09:21:19 from here: http://missile.sourceforge.net/ Mar 04 09:21:35 though it's kind of ugly looking, needs tweaking Mar 04 09:36:20 im getting an error on preware patches is that normal Mar 04 09:37:33 res is 320x480 Mar 04 09:38:05 Hello, I'm having trouble with meta-doctor, is this the appropriate place to ask for help? Mar 04 09:38:14 scratch the patch error seems rto be working now Mar 04 09:38:38 nina_ yeah it is but i think all the devs are asleep Mar 04 09:40:15 I'm at the last step, make, carrier, unpack, pathc pack... and I'm getting an error Mar 04 09:40:32 you got further than me :) Mar 04 09:41:33 Please download the correct doctor .jar and then move it to downloads/filename.jar , but I've already done that. Maybe it's a file permissions thing? Mar 04 09:42:27 if you can wait for someone like egaudet or destinal or dbsooner one of them will know Mar 04 09:43:31 Not sure where to go from here. I'm on Win32XPProSP3 compiling with Ubuntu 9.10 using Virtualbox 3.1.4 just FYI Mar 04 09:43:32 i cant even get as far as you i don't understand it at all, been trying to do it for weeks now lol Mar 04 09:43:52 iSmite: on Win32? Mar 04 09:43:58 what are you trying to do get sprint on gsm, thats what i wanted Mar 04 09:44:01 no im on snow leo Mar 04 09:44:17 can't help on OSX, sorry. Mar 04 09:44:32 its not the instructions, its my virtualbox Mar 04 09:44:37 LOL Mar 04 09:44:53 running ubuntu but it keeps saying i only have 1.3 gb on the disk even when i set it to 20gb Mar 04 09:45:23 do you know how to change the size of the virtual disk cos mine wont lol Mar 04 09:46:16 Just delete the VM and make a new one. That's what I did when Ububtu refused to install on a 4GB VirtualDisk. Mar 04 09:46:25 YMMMV Mar 04 09:46:33 i did that, i got the same error it would only set to 1.3 gb Mar 04 09:47:08 ubuntu installed, but when i was unpacking the files to the doctor it said not enough room Mar 04 09:49:36 ah well im gonna go and fix this theme anyway, hang around and someone will b able to help you Mar 04 10:03:33 hi ... i had update webos to 1.4 Mar 04 10:04:08 now terminal plugin make luna crash Mar 04 10:05:15 .. Mar 04 10:10:31 hey all Mar 04 10:11:06 im in desperate need of help Mar 04 10:11:31 with my git commands not workin on my terminal Mar 04 10:12:12 i guess everyone is sleep lol Mar 04 10:12:36 hello? Mar 04 10:12:59 hello? Mar 04 10:13:07 anyone Mar 04 11:16:00 nobody waked up ? Mar 04 11:23:36 nobody knows Mar 04 11:40:37 Darkmagister: hi Mar 04 11:41:00 hi Mar 04 11:41:40 i have a problem .... with terminal Mar 04 11:41:46 plugin on webos Mar 04 11:44:19 it make luna crash with new 1.4 webos Mar 04 11:44:45 rwhitby: can you help me ? :D Mar 04 11:49:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/20 how can help with this ? i'm not unndertand very well :D Mar 04 12:04:17 ... Mar 04 12:04:20 ok maybe later Mar 04 12:05:47 Darkmagister, I have problems with terminal too Mar 04 12:06:26 mmm woow it is reassuring Mar 04 12:07:58 i hope someone can fix this problem Mar 04 12:11:59 a question to all ... why this (preware) project don't have a mailing list ? i think is realy usefull have a mailing list to organize all .. :D Mar 04 12:13:15 I think it is more convenient for these things Mar 04 12:27:36 Darkmagister: there is a webos-internals mailing list Mar 04 12:34:01 rwhitby: really ????????? Mar 04 12:34:30 yeah, no-one uses it, but it exists. Mar 04 12:35:17 :D Mar 04 12:35:36 where i can found it ? i want to use it :D Mar 04 12:35:49 http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce/topics this ? Mar 04 12:36:50 remove the -announce Mar 04 12:39:10 mmm is full of spam .. Mar 04 12:40:59 that's one problem with public mailing lists Mar 04 12:41:12 can't u moderate it? Mar 04 12:42:03 well, someone else can if they like Mar 04 12:53:53 hi everyone Mar 04 12:54:18 got a lil probelme with my pre i was wondering if i could get some help? Mar 04 12:54:22 *problem Mar 04 12:55:54 what's the problem? Mar 04 12:55:58 i dont think its bricked, but i am unable to get past 58% on webos doctor, Mar 04 12:56:08 comes with the error cant reset device Mar 04 12:56:31 z33ma: do take a look in the command line output of the webos doctor? Mar 04 12:56:37 s/do/do you/ Mar 04 12:56:37 morphis meant: z33ma: do you take a look in the command line output of the webos doctor? Mar 04 12:56:54 but it will still boot, but comes up with a Phone Error, "your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resoloved Mar 04 12:57:20 i can run that now, will conect via novaterm to see the output right? Mar 04 12:57:37 no Mar 04 12:57:44 just run the webos doctor from a console window Mar 04 12:57:54 then you get all the logging output from it Mar 04 12:57:58 ahh, ok Mar 04 12:58:02 trying that now Mar 04 12:58:09 will help you to find the command that fails in the process Mar 04 12:58:39 yesh just wondering what the command would be Mar 04 13:07:39 just sorting out the java enviroment variable on my system Mar 04 13:12:35 ok running webosdoctor in terminal Mar 04 13:12:41 so can see the logs Mar 04 13:16:55 webos doctor is on 46 % Mar 04 13:21:30 ok got the error Mar 04 13:21:32 INFO: exiting handleFailCase() err -1 "Error Updating Modem PRI/PRL!!! Mar 04 13:22:55 Open Port /dev/tts/modemdiag Failed! and then a lil later on, DiagListen has problem Mar 04 13:24:19 UMTS Msh: /sbin/start: not found? Mar 04 13:25:06 failed to update pri/prl is the last error i can see onit Mar 04 13:27:28 hope there is a fix for this Mar 04 13:27:29 :/ Mar 04 13:27:34 brb. Mar 04 13:33:07 z33ma: I had the same error Mar 04 13:33:24 rwhitby Mar 04 13:33:27 z33ma: I solved it Mar 04 13:33:35 but be carefull Mar 04 13:33:52 you have to reflash the modem firmware! Mar 04 13:33:59 that can brick your device! Mar 04 13:34:55 I'd try rebooting, pulling the battery, and trying the doctor again, repeating all that a couple of times before going to more drastic measures. Mar 04 13:35:20 z33ma: /usr/bin/PmModemUpdate < /usr/lib/modem/castleumtsfw.tar Mar 04 13:35:25 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Mehr-freie-Apps-fuer-deutsche-WebOS-Nutzer-945986.html Mar 04 13:35:29 z33ma: that will reflash the modem firmware Mar 04 13:35:29 rwhitby: your name in it ;) Mar 04 13:35:44 z33ma: after that you can run webos doctor again and it will complete Mar 04 13:36:06 z33ma: but don't blame me if your device is bricked afterwards! Mar 04 13:38:06 hucksy: at least that article got it right Mar 04 13:38:16 :) Mar 04 13:38:53 and linked to the right post. Mar 04 13:40:42 Preware 0.9.30 now in the testing feed - Now chooses the correct information to display for packages in multiple feeds. Mar 04 13:41:34 rwhitby: still some mistakes in the german preware version, where can i find the patch file with all the translations? Mar 04 13:43:40 hucksy: git.webos-internals.org Mar 04 13:43:56 ok Mar 04 13:44:10 and you can find the names and email addresses of the current translators in the commit log Mar 04 13:44:10 morphis: will try that Mar 04 13:44:27 z33ma: ok Mar 04 13:44:31 nothing much i can do with it anyway so every little will hlep Mar 04 13:44:33 tell me when it helps Mar 04 13:44:37 :) Mar 04 13:44:44 ok, thanks Mar 04 13:44:45 tried webdoctor loads of times but still didnt do much Mar 04 13:45:16 morphis: do i do it now,or do i reboot then connect via novacom and run the modem flash Mar 04 13:45:33 cos right now its on the failed dia box Mar 04 13:45:45 z33ma: I did it after webos doctor failed Mar 04 13:45:51 just run novaterm right after it Mar 04 13:45:57 ok will do i tnow Mar 04 13:45:59 *now Mar 04 13:46:02 then you get into the installer initramfs Mar 04 13:46:20 there should be even the latest firmware available Mar 04 13:46:44 ok connected via novaterm Mar 04 13:48:16 do i copy the castlefw.tar from the webosdoctor jar file Mar 04 13:52:45 got my castleumtsfw.tar in my /tmp folder atm Mar 04 13:52:51 Is it normal for the Preware to display a bunch of 404 errors when starting up? Mar 04 14:05:54 quotemstr, hmm depends... while updating feeds? Mar 04 14:06:26 please help, had troubles with pre since 1.4 update and when trying to download an app last night it locked up and will not unfreeze, help Mar 04 14:06:27 Yes, from wget. Mar 04 14:07:10 quotemstr, maybe ur feeds are outdated? Mar 04 14:07:24 I just downloaded the thing and installed it via the bootstrapping shell script. Mar 04 14:08:12 It's complaining that http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz isn't found. Mar 04 14:08:20 (Which it isn't.) Mar 04 14:09:06 looks like u have old preware Mar 04 14:09:06 ;d Mar 04 14:09:41 especially the service it should update u to the latest feeds Mar 04 14:10:04 Then the bootstrapping script should be updated. :-) Mar 04 14:10:14 hello folks - I saw something ugly this morning: / is at 100%. I also saw something else in the webos-patches.log Mar 04 14:10:16 ---------------------------------- Mar 04 14:10:16 Actually applying the patch! Mar 04 14:10:16 ---------------------------------- Mar 04 14:10:16 patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/announcer-assistant.js Mar 04 14:10:16 patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/incomingcall-assistant.js Mar 04 14:10:17 patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js Mar 04 14:10:18 SUCCESS Mar 04 14:10:32 quotemstr, ;d Mar 04 14:11:12 (hmm - there should be a line showing that space ran out: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/patch: **** write error : No space left on device ) Mar 04 14:11:23 that occurs right before SUCCESS Mar 04 14:11:32 of course, now I can't remove that patch.... Mar 04 14:11:42 morphis: flashed the modem sucessfully, Mar 04 14:11:55 morphis: running the webosdoctor again Mar 04 14:12:56 anyone have hints for for forcing a patch to reverse itself when it erroneously thinks it made changes it didn't? Mar 04 14:14:16 patch -R? Mar 04 14:14:19 I'm guessing that ipkg and a flag (-R? -n?) will force a removal Mar 04 14:14:28 Also, consider -b next time. Mar 04 14:15:15 I was running the install via preware, so I didn't have that kind of control Mar 04 14:15:27 (I'm thinking that's something preware needs to check for) Mar 04 14:16:18 so - this'll sound dumb, but while I know my way around linux ok, I'm not positive how to manually run patch on an ipk... I don't suppose you'd be willing to point me in the right direction? Mar 04 14:18:13 * rwhitby bbt Mar 04 14:18:55 it looks like at least the patch file is at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-match-state-to-area-code/phone-match-state-to-area-code.patch Mar 04 14:21:37 hmm. ok - how about this: if I wanted to talk to the Preware devs and let them know they have a bug, this'd be the right place, yes? Mar 04 14:22:09 open a bug Mar 04 14:22:34 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware Mar 04 14:23:11 ah - ok, thank you! Mar 04 14:23:37 is there a link to how to manually reverse patches anywhere as well? Mar 04 14:24:26 idk search on webos-internals.org Mar 04 14:29:06 my phone is still showing tweaks when none are installed? any idea on how to fix this? Mar 04 14:29:57 flashed the modem, still having PRI/PRL errors Mar 04 14:36:01 en0x: to open a bug requires creating a gitorious account first, or is it a different account that its needing here? Mar 04 14:48:35 bah.. if anyone could help me out .. it would be amazing. been at it for 2 days with no results Mar 04 14:53:03 busted-pre: backup data, full erase, then doctor the phone. best and easiest way to fix any issues imo Mar 04 14:53:46 ah: its the "backup data" part of that that sounds so innocent but so isn't... Mar 04 14:55:08 lol... is there a way i can save my chat histroy and restore it back to my phone after doctor? if so ill take that route if not.. id like to figure something else out Mar 04 14:55:46 timofalltrades, running out of space on / sounds fishy, make sure you dont' have the cryptofs bug Mar 04 14:56:07 The cryptofs bug? Mar 04 14:56:23 right - the cryptofs bug? Mar 04 14:56:51 some people have gotten into a situation where cryptofs wasn't being mounted so all the apps and packages are using / Mar 04 14:56:52 buster-pre: make a backup of your PalmDatabase.db3 file Mar 04 14:56:58 huh... Mar 04 14:57:11 how would I know if that was the deal, and how would I correct? Mar 04 14:57:14 grep cryptofs /proc/mounts Mar 04 14:58:23 cryptofs /media/cryptofs fuse.cryptofs rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0 0 0 Mar 04 14:58:59 k you are fine Mar 04 14:59:00 df -k says: Mar 04 14:59:01 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Mar 04 14:59:01 rootfs 452296 448444 3852 99% / Mar 04 14:59:05 so fine...ish Mar 04 14:59:07 ;) Mar 04 14:59:36 yeah. mine's only at 91% you got a lot of patches? Mar 04 14:59:59 not really - most of them are placeholders at this point, no? Mar 04 15:00:11 hang on a sec, there's a file with the list in /media/internal, right? Mar 04 15:00:25 busted-pre: sorry, I don't know much about backing up chat history, having a working phone is more important to me =) Mar 04 15:00:37 I love having a phone that can run ntp. Mar 04 15:01:20 there's only like 30 left to be ported Mar 04 15:01:42 busted: see the thread at http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/231846-returned-new-pre-restoring-all-my-experiences.html Mar 04 15:01:51 timofalltrades, you can always doctor and then run ESE Mar 04 15:02:02 that Mar 04 15:02:23 'll lose me any program settings, etc that aren't backed up by Palm tho, no? Mar 04 15:02:39 doctors always make me nervous. ;) Mar 04 15:03:36 it doesn't touch /media/internal anymore, I'm not sure if it wipes any of the databases like for text messages and whatnot Mar 04 15:03:38 egaudet: I have 32 patches listed in my .webosinternals.patches.packages Mar 04 15:03:41 lol i have visited the doctor 100+ times since last sat when 1.4 killed my pre Mar 04 15:03:43 lol Mar 04 15:03:57 Z33ma, that is a lot :P Mar 04 15:04:22 Z33ma: you must have been killing a lot of time somehow since sat then! Mar 04 15:04:26 ouch Mar 04 15:04:29 timofalltrades, did you say the no space left on device message is or is not in webos-patches.log Mar 04 15:04:38 it is in webos-patches.log Mar 04 15:04:58 I was just about to paste the log into the preware thread on precentral Mar 04 15:05:07 egaudet: prob not that much Mar 04 15:05:10 k Mar 04 15:05:15 but quiet a bit Mar 04 15:05:19 I gotta head to work, bbl Mar 04 15:05:25 i found out i have PRI/PRl error Mar 04 15:05:42 flashed the modem again Mar 04 15:05:51 but still webosdoctor not completeing Mar 04 15:06:01 :/ Mar 04 15:06:13 idk i never had this problem Mar 04 15:06:16 ok - posted: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2281628&posted=1#post2281628 Mar 04 15:06:18 chat with palm Mar 04 15:07:11 yeah think i may have too Mar 04 15:08:13 Is there a good on-device text editor? Mar 04 15:08:28 I mean, I'd love Emacs, but I'll settle. :-) Mar 04 15:08:35 emacs? Mar 04 15:08:46 emacs has more complitated combos than mortal combat Mar 04 15:08:47 :S Mar 04 15:09:07 en0x: And over the past ten years, I've learned about half of them. :-) Mar 04 15:09:48 right down right a <- sub zero wins fatality Mar 04 15:09:49 lol Mar 04 15:10:00 quotemstr, hehehe Mar 04 15:10:11 vim FTW! Mar 04 15:10:34 ooh - one of my favorite emacs jokes: http://xkcd.com/378/ Mar 04 15:10:42 Real Programmers... Mar 04 15:10:44 nice Mar 04 15:10:53 timofalltrades: Emacs actually has that command. Mar 04 15:11:09 i understand that but im deaf so chat is all i have Mar 04 15:11:29 emacs would be a bit hard to use on the pre keyboard without needing to have your thumbs operated on Mar 04 15:11:42 Z33ma: reflashing the mode did not help? Mar 04 15:11:53 morphis: flashing was sucessful Mar 04 15:12:04 ok Mar 04 15:12:09 but when i webosdoctor it still came with the same error Mar 04 15:12:13 but webos-doctor sill complaing? Mar 04 15:12:14 hm Mar 04 15:12:16 yea Mar 04 15:12:25 which verson of the webosdoctor do you use? Mar 04 15:12:40 1.3.1 Mar 04 15:12:46 uk version Mar 04 15:13:04 tried 1.3.5.2 as well Mar 04 15:13:52 What happened to terminal!? Mar 04 15:14:00 I updated it, and now it doesn't ask me to log in anymore. Mar 04 15:14:03 i thought that uk got 1.4 Mar 04 15:14:15 1.4 happened to terminal Mar 04 15:14:26 Huh? I was just using the old terminal. Mar 04 15:14:35 Login and all. Mar 04 15:14:55 I updated it using the preware installer, and now it doesn't ask me to log in. Mar 04 15:14:56 quotemstr: terminus works now Mar 04 15:15:20 all - trying to uninstall a patch manually and failing miserably Mar 04 15:15:24 On the other hand, I can type '<'. Mar 04 15:15:27 quilt thinks no patches are applied Mar 04 15:15:33 That helps. Mar 04 15:15:58 at least according to the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches webpage instructions I've done so far Mar 04 15:16:43 I know the patch file lives at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-match-state-to-area-code/phone-match-state-to-area-code.patch Mar 04 15:16:57 can someone just give me the silly command I'm missing to force that to uninstall? Mar 04 15:18:02 (The applying patches page still says you need to uninstall all patches before an ota update, so I'm thinking the page needs updating...) Mar 04 15:20:20 hello all Mar 04 15:20:43 uk got 1.4 but my pre did everything but make calls, 3g worked too Mar 04 15:20:55 so tried to downgrade Mar 04 15:22:05 and well whole bunch of stuff and not its almost poked.. Mar 04 15:22:39 i cant getthe sudo apt-get install git-core to work any suggestions Mar 04 15:24:20 anyone know how i can back up chat history?? im deaf so this to me is like you making a phone call and losing your phone #s?? Mar 04 15:25:31 Oh god. Mar 04 15:25:35 vi looks horrible under term. Mar 04 15:25:39 * quotemstr switches to ed. Mar 04 15:25:48 (It is, after all, the standard editor.) Mar 04 15:26:00 yeah clich where it sayslogs Mar 04 15:26:22 huh? Mar 04 15:26:31 up top Mar 04 15:26:49 up top where Mar 04 15:27:04 to the right its a link Mar 04 15:27:25 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Mar 04 15:27:58 o.. no i ment my history in my phone.. cause i have to doctor it Mar 04 15:28:33 idk bout dat Mar 04 15:28:36 busted-pre is talking about messaging app history not this chat's history Mar 04 15:28:51 oh ok Mar 04 15:29:15 yes Kyutop, but thank you anyways woody_ Kyutop.. can you help? Mar 04 15:29:16 cant you fwd it 2 your email Mar 04 15:29:39 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/187145-how-back-up-text-messages-when-exchanging-phones.html Mar 04 15:30:01 something like that? Mar 04 15:30:04 i need some help useing this meta dr Mar 04 15:30:17 yes but i have not rooted* my phone? Mar 04 15:30:52 you could probably use Terminus and copy the file to the /media/internal part of the Pre Mar 04 15:31:02 via linux commands Mar 04 15:31:08 hi, I installed preware on my Pre (OS1.4), and it never showed up in the launcher after install. Anybody have any ideas? Mar 04 15:31:29 linux command? lol... Mar 04 15:32:20 webos-internals lives for linux commands =) Mar 04 15:32:25 since i know not that. im not in a good position correct? Mar 04 15:33:11 in webosQI i saw a linux commandline? Mar 04 15:33:20 busted - see the link I pasted in above. loads of info on how to back things up Mar 04 15:33:20 yeah i tryed but git commands dont work on my terminal Mar 04 15:33:21 woody_: what problems are you having with metadoctor Mar 04 15:33:36 well... yeah Mar 04 15:34:15 im on 3 different sites trying to read and not sure exactly what im reading Mar 04 15:34:16 lol Mar 04 15:34:18 in theory someone could write a tool to dump all your chat logs and then reinsert them to a new pre's PalmDatabase, but noone's done that yet Mar 04 15:34:30 when i put in "sudo apt-get install git-core" it say command no found Mar 04 15:34:49 what are you using to make the meta doctor? Mar 04 15:35:08 mac terminal Mar 04 15:35:16 ah mac Mar 04 15:35:19 hmmm Mar 04 15:35:22 that woould be nice Mar 04 15:35:41 hm, i was just running top while luna crashed Mar 04 15:35:53 load was at about 15 Mar 04 15:36:16 but memory usage was normal Mar 04 15:36:35 load average has nothing to do with memory usage Mar 04 15:36:51 all the other step work accept for a few commands Mar 04 15:36:52 i didnt say it did :p Mar 04 15:37:00 i saw were ppl used web doctor to put there phones back to old version of webos and fix some problems.. will that erase everything as well? Mar 04 15:38:12 woody_: you have to wait for someone who knows Macs, I can only assist with MetaDoctor built in Linux and Windows Mar 04 15:38:40 woody_: does git clone work? Mar 04 15:38:59 woody_: what commands don't work Mar 04 15:39:01 no way Mar 04 15:39:56 i can see it but it syas that command cannot be found Mar 04 15:40:42 hmmm I have no idea what MacPorts does. I'm not sure who wrote those instructions either. Mar 04 15:42:58 whats the best way to do it on the pc Mar 04 15:43:09 on Windows? Mar 04 15:43:20 Cygwin is pretty easy Mar 04 15:43:41 I expanded the Cygwin instructions actually Mar 04 15:44:09 im gonna go and try it on my pc Mar 04 15:44:22 i think i downloaded all the things i need Mar 04 15:47:44 i knew i should have stuck with a pc Mar 04 15:48:30 woody_, for mac u need to use ports Mar 04 15:48:50 woody_, and don't forget to download xcode Mar 04 15:48:56 i instaled it but the commands wont work Mar 04 15:49:07 i have xcode Mar 04 15:49:15 sudo su - Mar 04 15:49:26 cd /opt/.../bin/port install git Mar 04 15:49:35 i don't remember the right paths right now Mar 04 15:50:53 back in 10 Mar 04 15:52:12 its confuseing but i dont know whats happening with 2 3 4 step dont work for me Mar 04 15:58:33 how do i install mac ports Mar 04 15:59:44 idk im trying both ways Mar 04 16:11:08 Hello Mar 04 16:11:27 is there a way I can use wirc or pound irc for coldfront.net? Mar 04 16:12:20 i dont see why not Mar 04 16:12:56 wirc should work just fine Mar 04 16:13:23 ok, it kept giving me an error message, maybe its just me Mar 04 16:13:31 i will try again in a moment Mar 04 16:13:32 just make sure you have wircd installed Mar 04 16:13:39 ahh Mar 04 16:13:44 I dont think I have that Mar 04 16:13:56 you need it to make it work Mar 04 16:14:03 for any server Mar 04 16:14:37 would that be in the feed list for preware? Mar 04 16:14:51 wirc should install it as dependency Mar 04 16:15:09 how can I check? Mar 04 16:15:16 well list everything Mar 04 16:15:22 if wirc is not complaining about "wircd is not running" then u good Mar 04 16:15:23 and type wirc Mar 04 16:15:59 it just shows me wirc, I am installing now. I will resetup and if it gives me an error I will link it Mar 04 16:17:47 yeah it says us.ryanhope.wircd is not running Mar 04 16:20:57 it's in preware under services Mar 04 16:21:34 I see it, it is installed Mar 04 16:22:34 i cant gert git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git to work Mar 04 16:22:42 help!!!!! Mar 04 16:23:20 woody_: on mac? Mar 04 16:23:46 Cranimesao: did you just installl it and did it ask for Java Restart? Mar 04 16:24:05 im useing both hich ever u know better mac or pc Mar 04 16:24:20 i have my mac open but it still doesnt work Mar 04 16:24:29 what does git clone say in cygwin Mar 04 16:24:54 fatal Mar 04 16:25:01 ? Mar 04 16:25:03 destination path Mar 04 16:25:14 ? Mar 04 16:25:31 already exists and is not an empty directory Mar 04 16:26:06 "meta-doctor" Mar 04 16:26:35 did you do git clone twice? Mar 04 16:27:14 because the directory shouldn't exist after a fresh install of cygwin Mar 04 16:27:19 unless you tried before Mar 04 16:27:20 I never seen anything about a Java restart Mar 04 16:27:23 and failed and gave up Mar 04 16:27:28 i think i did Mar 04 16:27:38 Cranimesao: you need to do one if you can Mar 04 16:27:40 has anyone noticed that rescaning luna using preware does not stop rescan? Mar 04 16:28:08 im gonna continue the steps and say the next problem Mar 04 16:28:22 wait Mar 04 16:28:37 when was the last time you tried? Mar 04 16:28:49 today Mar 04 16:29:37 oh ok Mar 04 16:29:43 then continue Mar 04 16:30:10 thought maybe the git you cloned was an older one Mar 04 16:31:08 How do I do a Java restart on the Pre?. I have restarted the phone multiple times. Mar 04 16:31:15 gedit makefile Mar 04 16:31:34 Cranimesao: if you have no patches for special restart menus you will have you do a full restart Mar 04 16:31:52 bash gedit command not found Mar 04 16:32:02 woody_: read the note Mar 04 16:32:02 please help...i have manually reset my Pre numerous times and it keeps looping and keep getting the "Memory critical, too many cards" error, however, I don't have any cards open...all locked up and can't get third party apps removed....suggestions, please... Mar 04 16:32:04 update to the new version of preware it has that ability now in d menu Mar 04 16:32:07 I will try now Mar 04 16:32:13 woody_: gedit doesn't work in cygwin Mar 04 16:32:27 woody_: I made a mention and a note for that part Mar 04 16:32:33 sorry for not reading that lol Mar 04 16:35:04 woody_: if you're already up to that part, sounds like your running into minimal issues Mar 04 16:35:13 true Mar 04 16:36:40 hello Mar 04 16:37:02 http://almaer.com/blog/uploads/gmail-nativemail.png Mar 04 16:37:14 what are the little circles in the mail app for? Mar 04 16:37:34 i dont have it Mar 04 16:37:34 i dont have these on the emulator Mar 04 16:37:39 multi selection? Mar 04 16:37:42 ^^ Mar 04 16:37:46 woody_: did you download the doctor image via wget in under a minute? Or did you copy and paste it to the directory? Mar 04 16:37:59 i dl it Mar 04 16:38:16 redmafia, those circles are on emulator? i dont have them on my pre Mar 04 16:38:21 no Mar 04 16:38:30 woody_: via wget? Mar 04 16:38:33 the pic is from http://almaer.com/blog/feeling-touchy-learning-how-to-build-great-touch-ui Mar 04 16:38:41 yes i did Mar 04 16:38:49 can you confirm the size of the image? Mar 04 16:38:53 which options do i uncomment Mar 04 16:39:16 woody_: it depends what you need Mar 04 16:39:19 please help...i have manually reset my Pre numerous times and it keeps looping and keep getting the "Memory critical, too many cards" error, however, I don't have any cards open...all locked up and can't get third party apps removed....suggestions, please... Mar 04 16:39:32 i need to get in the pre without the carries Mar 04 16:39:36 carrier' Mar 04 16:39:37 this dion is a palm dev Mar 04 16:39:46 maybe he has a newer version of the mail app Mar 04 16:39:47 :p Mar 04 16:40:25 woody_: ??? I'm not sure what you mean Mar 04 16:40:36 what kind of Pre do you have? Mar 04 16:41:09 i have a pre but i wanna use it over wifi to develope with Mar 04 16:41:36 oh you want to bypass firstuse Mar 04 16:41:47 yes Mar 04 16:41:53 a sprint pre Mar 04 16:42:50 well the first part of the makefile should tell you which option does what Mar 04 16:43:08 you have to scroll down to the options you need to uncomment Mar 04 16:43:23 remove the# Mar 04 16:43:48 yeah after all the big paragraphs Mar 04 16:44:09 you should see a short list of options described in those paragraphs Mar 04 16:44:19 ok Mar 04 16:44:29 after that its smooth sailing? Mar 04 16:44:59 don't uncomment the paragraphs Mar 04 16:45:14 just the options in that short list that you want like bypass firstuse Mar 04 16:45:46 I am installing cygwin on my laptop now just to make sure Mar 04 16:45:56 ok Mar 04 16:48:20 sorry it's taking a bit, I'm on UNI wifi via a VPN Mar 04 16:48:45 no p[roblem Mar 04 16:48:45 can you do me a favor Mar 04 16:48:51 while the wait Mar 04 16:49:06 because this wget in 1 minute makes me a little suspicious Mar 04 16:49:24 it wasnt a minuet Mar 04 16:49:30 it took a long time to dl Mar 04 16:49:33 oh ok Mar 04 16:49:45 because you told me about the git clone error one minute Mar 04 16:49:52 then talking about gedit Mar 04 16:49:54 the next minute Mar 04 16:50:29 Kyusaka: Still no luck, same error Mar 04 16:50:34 wher itsays make carrie=sprint unpack patch i change that in the makefile Mar 04 16:52:52 nah Mar 04 16:53:03 so you have the makefile open in wordpad right Mar 04 16:53:11 yes Mar 04 16:53:24 scroll down to where it says "START OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES" Mar 04 16:54:14 i did Mar 04 16:54:33 uncomment bypass activation Mar 04 16:55:06 did Mar 04 16:56:37 you could also comment touch ran first use, enable firstuse wifi Mar 04 16:56:48 ok did those too Mar 04 16:57:11 and make firstuse visible(if you want to make a palm profile for the pre sometime in the future Mar 04 16:57:42 ok Mar 04 16:57:53 change the carrier 2 Mar 04 16:57:58 no Mar 04 16:58:59 you don't have to, because the "make CARRIER=sprint unpack patch pack" thing will change that Mar 04 16:59:20 ok Mar 04 16:59:40 you could change it to be safe Mar 04 16:59:59 otherwise, save and close Mar 04 17:00:04 go back to cygwin Mar 04 17:00:20 and do that make command with CARRIER=sprint unpatch pack Mar 04 17:00:37 err unpack patch pack Mar 04 17:02:00 it says make:**** no rule to make target unpack stop Mar 04 17:03:00 wth Mar 04 17:03:02 hmmm Mar 04 17:03:12 I never had that error Mar 04 17:03:16 lemme see Mar 04 17:03:38 did you change that part of the makefile Mar 04 17:03:46 with nthe carrier? Mar 04 17:03:52 to sprint Mar 04 17:05:12 hmmm.... Mar 04 17:05:29 what is the full error message Mar 04 17:05:59 like it should describe and mention a file or directory Mar 04 17:06:31 make: *** No rule to make target 'unpack. stop.' Mar 04 17:07:02 oh hmmm Mar 04 17:07:12 I don't think you're in the right directory Mar 04 17:07:18 can you do an ls Mar 04 17:08:04 I think you missed step 1 in "running meta-doctor" Mar 04 17:08:38 i was supposed to be in meta-doctor directory Mar 04 17:08:42 which says "navigate to the meta-doctor directory in terminal Mar 04 17:08:47 yeah Mar 04 17:08:53 in cygwin Mar 04 17:09:59 azakus: ping Mar 04 17:10:20 woody_: did you get it working? Is it building the new doctor image? Mar 04 17:10:33 i did it but it says download the correct webos doctor .jar file Mar 04 17:10:52 ahhhh Mar 04 17:11:09 what did you name the doctor file to? Mar 04 17:11:43 and what doctor version did you download? Mar 04 17:11:55 i just renamed it 1.4.0 Mar 04 17:12:33 webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0.jar? Mar 04 17:12:44 or just 1.4.0.jar? Mar 04 17:13:21 hi all Mar 04 17:13:23 it really only said Mar 04 17:13:49 ? Mar 04 17:13:53 webosdoctorp100ewwwsprint Mar 04 17:14:03 i think my pre modem is bricked Mar 04 17:14:11 take it back to sprint Mar 04 17:14:25 right but you're suppose to add the version number to the end of the filename Mar 04 17:14:26 yeah i plan to take it back to )2 Mar 04 17:14:26 when i downlaoded it but i went to the 1.4.0 web site Mar 04 17:14:29 *O2 Mar 04 17:15:18 woody_: can you do "cd downloads" and then do "ls" and tell me the filename? Mar 04 17:15:40 z33: did you ever modify your modem firmware somehow or was it some kind of failed flash? Mar 04 17:15:45 (originally) Mar 04 17:15:59 it happened when i updated to 1.4 Mar 04 17:16:09 evreything worked fine, except i was unable to make calls Mar 04 17:16:28 to say webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0it says webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0.jar Mar 04 17:16:30 tried upgrading then downgrading, still had the same error Mar 04 17:16:40 then i tried to flash just the modem Mar 04 17:16:45 which i got sucessfull Mar 04 17:17:09 but when i used webosdoctor it still crashed out trying to flash the modem Mar 04 17:17:11 z33: did you try downgrading the modem firmware by hand back to the previous version? Mar 04 17:17:18 so round 58% it died Mar 04 17:17:44 i used the castleutmsfw.tar from 1.3.1 Mar 04 17:17:45 woody_: and the doctor version is actually 1.4.0 correct? Mar 04 17:17:52 yes Mar 04 17:18:12 z33: I'd try manually downgrading the firmware and make sure it took and see if the phone works on 1.3.5 as a phone properly Mar 04 17:18:41 woody_: I might have to go home and do this to test meta-doctor or wait for rod since he maintains the meta-doctor git Mar 04 17:18:45 timofalltrades: ping Mar 04 17:18:52 ok Mar 04 17:18:57 z33: if that worked I'd probably modify my doctor to take out the firmware flashing capability and try just the newer os Mar 04 17:19:10 woody_: because everything seems like it should work Mar 04 17:19:12 yeah i was thining along that lines Mar 04 17:19:29 destinal: how would i do that Mar 04 17:19:37 woody_: I haven't tested it on 1.4.0 yet Mar 04 17:19:47 destinal: right now the phone boots and says the phone has an unrecoverable error Mar 04 17:20:03 ill tryto download another 1.4.0 and chage the name on that one and see what happens Mar 04 17:20:18 no Mar 04 17:20:20 don't Mar 04 17:20:20 z33: I don't know what it takes to force reverting to the old firmware -- usually when it's run by doctor there's a check to make sure the version you want to apply is newer than the one already on the device Mar 04 17:20:37 woody_: those other doctors have different phone modem firmwares Mar 04 17:20:59 z33: then again -- maybe I misremember, the doctor may force application every time by default Mar 04 17:21:03 oh ook Mar 04 17:21:09 lemme check the meta doctor thread before I start heading home to try this Mar 04 17:21:17 destinal: might be the reason whay its fails at 58% Mar 04 17:22:00 even tried a sprint firmware with act disabled, this time was sucessful, but once booted the "phone cant not be recovered error" Mar 04 17:22:02 z33: you can always do any of the steps in the doctor by hand if you know what the command line to do them is. you can use novacom boot to boot the installer image and then novaterm in Mar 04 17:22:32 woody_: ok heading home, I should be back in about 45mins. Is that cool? Mar 04 17:22:33 z33: the activation disabled does not by default disable the modem checking (though you can do that) Mar 04 17:22:46 yeah Mar 04 17:22:48 yeah tried that last night and got it up, flashed the modem firware and worked 100% though only took a min ish Mar 04 17:22:58 allright bbiab Mar 04 17:23:01 i think thats not the whole file because it only 80mb Mar 04 17:24:05 z33: does 1.3.5 work at the moment? Mar 04 17:24:11 will have to extract an older castleutmsfw.tar from somewhere and try flash it Mar 04 17:24:15 destinal: nope Mar 04 17:24:23 destinal: nothing works Mar 04 17:24:54 destinal: i can novaterm i can see the file system, i can watch it flash via terminal, Mar 04 17:25:37 destinal: but when it fails, i boot to webos and the phone can not be recoved error, no signal bars or phone offline notice Mar 04 17:26:54 what's failing? Mar 04 17:27:22 egaudet_work: webosdoctor does Mar 04 17:27:24 it was the wrong file Mar 04 17:27:32 i got it working Mar 04 17:27:52 egaudet_work: it fails trying to flash the modem firmware Mar 04 17:28:25 that's not good Mar 04 17:28:54 Is there a resource that explains how to create a patch? I have a very simple patch I want to create... it changes the number of bookmarks for the browser. The only part that needs to change is 2 numbers from a .js file... example: "this._maxShowCount = 12" to this._maxShowCount = "99" Mar 04 17:29:17 egaudet_work: nope, but when it does boot it comes up with this phone can not be recoverd Mar 04 17:29:52 but i can manually flash the modem firmware castleutmsfw.tar from 1.3.5.2 and its comes up as sucessfull Mar 04 17:30:17 MLJ: man gnu diff Mar 04 17:30:46 C:\ man gnu diff ERROR: what? Mar 04 17:31:24 z33: so, I'd try redoing your manual flash from the installer image like you did Mar 04 17:31:37 z33: then modify webos doctor to skip modem flash entirely. check out metadoctor Mar 04 17:32:27 z33: probably though you'll end up needing to get O2 to swap out the device because this sounds amazingly painful to support long-term Mar 04 17:32:29 zsoc_wirc: that means nothing to me... the last type of any coding I did was in visual basics... years ago. Perhaps there is a very simple patch file that I could edit, to create mine? Mar 04 17:32:31 destinal: good thinking will try that when i get home tonight, Mar 04 17:32:52 destinal: yeah, thing is i got it from ebay Mar 04 17:32:57 lol Mar 04 17:33:39 z33: ah. well them some workarounds may be sensible. I wonder if someone who had it before you may have modified the modem somehow Mar 04 17:34:35 MLJ: google or Jason's Diff Creator Mar 04 17:34:41 MLJ: gnu diff is a utility. how the utility works and how to use it can be found by googling gnu diff Mar 04 17:34:54 Will do thanks. Mar 04 17:34:54 i think they might have, cos when i bought it was experienceing similar symptoms, ie signal will be up but not beiing able to call out etc Mar 04 17:35:05 egaudet_work: are you kidding me? something exists called 'jason's diff creator'? Mar 04 17:35:10 destinal: but i webosdeoctured it and worked fine Mar 04 17:35:18 till 1.4 came and killed it Mar 04 17:36:00 MLJ, I believe there is a patch already made called "change number of bookmarks..." Mar 04 17:36:07 zsoc_wirc: Jason calls it Unified Diff Creator (http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/210781-unified-diff-creator.html) Mar 04 17:36:21 "Unified Diff Creator" Mar 04 17:36:52 helping windows users make patches without ever needing to know what that means :P Mar 04 17:36:52 MLJ, lets you have up to 100 Mar 04 17:37:33 mjkjr|wirc: well that takes the fun out of it.... I suppose I'll check into the Dif Creator now that I'm interested. Mar 04 17:37:34 MLJ: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/210781-unified-diff-creator.html Should be straightforward for a one file quick change Mar 04 17:37:51 but if you have linux, I suggest open a terminal and type "man diff" Mar 04 17:37:56 and then "man patch" Mar 04 17:38:22 egaudet: why we needed another tool with all these (http://drupal.org/node/324) already extant is another question Mar 04 17:39:00 thanks for the help destinal will be on later to report.. lets see if i can get this semi brick up working again Mar 04 17:39:18 egaudet_work: yep looks straight forward... I'll give it a quick shot and see if it comes out the same as 'jmartino's" patch (which is already created) Mar 04 17:39:23 destinal: I don't know Mar 04 17:39:43 I guess Jason and others weren't aware of alternatives Mar 04 17:41:01 see ya all Mar 04 17:47:20 egaudet_work: So I used Jason's Diff Creator... all appears to be well. I then compared it with the patch (that I didn't know was already created) from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0/... The latter seems to be encrypted as its not clearly veiwable via Notepad ++. Is that becuase a linux machine compiled it for the feeds? Mar 04 17:47:57 precentral.net :D Mar 04 17:48:02 MLJ: doesn't make sense -- patches are text Mar 04 17:48:17 MLJ: that link is to ipk's Mar 04 17:48:19 not patch files Mar 04 17:48:30 patches are packaged up with AUPT technology Mar 04 17:48:35 the .patch files are in gitorious Mar 04 17:48:53 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Mar 04 17:48:57 egaudet_work: AUPT technology is like ATM machine and PIN number ? :P Mar 04 17:49:09 Oh, your right it is a .ipk. Ok so in the future If I create a patch, I submit it to you all in .patch format and you do the rest? Mar 04 17:49:19 without money or a pin number :P Mar 04 17:49:22 automated teller machine machine Mar 04 17:49:27 autopatch technology :) Mar 04 17:49:31 personal identification number number Mar 04 17:49:41 MLJ: yes, we are the packaging monkies Mar 04 17:49:42 oh i see yea Mar 04 17:49:50 AUPTechnology Mar 04 17:49:56 zsoc_wirc, any progress on the gstreamer wma? Mar 04 17:50:14 my pre has been replaced so can test again Mar 04 17:50:14 spotter: oh! yes. it works. Mar 04 17:50:29 spotter: just buffer issues.. so some skipping Mar 04 17:50:43 spotter: and again, no tagging support Mar 04 17:50:56 zsoc_wirc, so doesn't appear in pre media player? Mar 04 17:51:37 spotter: sure it does, but only as the full file name, no tagging (so no sorting) Mar 04 17:52:44 hello Mar 04 17:52:45 tagging possible? Mar 04 17:52:49 or probably not Mar 04 17:53:12 what is the command to mount as rw? mount -o, /rw Mar 04 17:53:51 what is preware 'fixing unknown packages' about? i think mine is doing it on the same packages every time I start it. Mar 04 17:56:02 cal__: packages that aren't in any active feeds Mar 04 17:56:15 will read the metadata from the device Mar 04 17:56:17 zsoc_wirc, presumambly there's some id3 parsing code in the pre Mar 04 17:56:27 if it was extended to understand other types, would it work? Mar 04 17:56:29 n00b4life: mount -o rw,remount / Mar 04 17:57:02 ty but I just remembered Mar 04 17:57:19 * spotter is downloading 1.4 but waiting for fb to finish initial sync so he can reboot phone Mar 04 17:57:48 the new updated facebook app won't install for me Mar 04 17:57:55 it's fairly upsetting Mar 04 18:02:00 egaudet: if i download them from a particular feed and then turn the slider to off for that feed, could they show up like that? Mar 04 18:02:15 because a couple of the feeds i dont want on all the time Mar 04 18:03:14 Hello!! :) Mar 04 18:03:29 Now that ive downladed preware.... what next?? Mar 04 18:05:07 haigreen: read www.webos-internals.org/wiki/application:preware Mar 04 18:06:30 what do you mean, whats next? Mar 04 18:07:40 Thanks mjkjr|wirc! Mar 04 18:08:44 spotter: the answer is yes, but only if the fileindexer is opensourced, OR someone develops an oss alternative Mar 04 18:10:16 Alright, thanks for today's tips all... I'm out... oh wait, egaudet_work: Preware 0.9.29 shows paid apps, even when the toggle is set to only show free apps. (if you weren't already aware). Mar 04 18:10:31 zsoc_wirc, is it a luna/dbus client? Mar 04 18:10:41 if so, shouldn't it be fairly easy to reverse engineer? Mar 04 18:10:51 i.e. just watch what it sends/recieves over the wire so to speak Mar 04 18:11:14 spotter: thank you for the dbus lesson :p Mar 04 18:11:20 spotter: and no it is not Mar 04 18:11:52 was that to easy or luna/dbus? Mar 04 18:11:54 spotter: it indexes everything in /media/internal, and organizes it in mediadb3.db (or something similar) based on filetype and metadata Mar 04 18:12:01 luna/dbus Mar 04 18:12:23 zsoc_wirc, is that a sqlite db? Mar 04 18:12:24 it's basically an automated sql table generator Mar 04 18:12:28 yes Mar 04 18:12:29 could we just overwrite it? Mar 04 18:12:32 yes Mar 04 18:12:41 so is that a sort of solution Mar 04 18:12:48 or just stop the service which runs the current one Mar 04 18:12:53 or replace the current one Mar 04 18:12:58 none of that is the problem Mar 04 18:13:03 cal__: yes if you disable the feed it will "fix unknown package" and read the data from device. don't worry about that, it has to get metadata so it's either from feed or device Mar 04 18:13:04 so, what is.... Mar 04 18:13:17 the problem is developin the replacement. I have no experience with a flow like this Mar 04 18:13:56 right now we need handlers for id3, vorbis comments, and whatever wma uses Mar 04 18:18:54 spotter: apparently I was dc/ed, not sure what the last thing you got was Mar 04 18:18:59 back Mar 04 18:19:05 "right now we need handlers..." Mar 04 18:19:27 yep that's the last thing I said Mar 04 18:19:40 spotter: I did not see your reply since that Mar 04 18:20:08 he didn't Mar 04 18:20:11 drnull: pong? Mar 04 18:22:06 no reply Mar 04 18:22:09 been away Mar 04 18:22:20 I dont think a replacment program should be so hard Mar 04 18:24:18 azakus: just posted over in the jstop thread instead of trying to catch ya here. Just an issue with the appid regex, if it has a - in it, it fails Mar 04 18:24:39 lol Mar 04 18:25:27 * oilsworkn thinks he may be responsible for that Mar 04 18:26:00 drnull: ah, noted Mar 04 18:26:27 azakus: and since drPodder is such a memory hog, I *really* need jstop to let me know how bad it is. :) Mar 04 18:26:29 woody_: you around? Mar 04 18:26:39 yup Mar 04 18:27:00 it completed but the acticvation screen still comes up Mar 04 18:27:10 woody_: ok I'm setting up cygwin to verify if meta-doctor doesn't work with 1.4.0 Mar 04 18:27:57 drnull: i've always seen drpodder in the list Mar 04 18:28:18 it inaccurately thinks its a palm app, but its still listed Mar 04 18:28:38 oilsworkn: aye, but when I updated the appid (from com.palm.drnull.drpodder to com.drnull.drpodder-hb) in anticipation of a catalog release, it started breaking jstop. Mar 04 18:28:52 ah Mar 04 18:29:21 when was it changed to .drpodder from .prepod? Mar 04 18:29:49 zsoc_wirc, I think gstreamer should handle it all automatically Mar 04 18:29:55 oilsworkn: hmm, actually maybe I never switched from com.palm.drnull.prepod to ...drpodder because I didn't want people to lose their db. Mar 04 18:30:01 ah Mar 04 18:30:08 ok, i was about to see if i had an old version Mar 04 18:30:39 zsoc_wirc, see http://pastebin.com/auGsxdBG for wma Mar 04 18:30:54 spotter: huh? how would gstreamer handle tagging in the music app Mar 04 18:30:56 oh, i am, im on 048 and its up to 051 on a different appid Mar 04 18:30:58 oilsworkn: you do. :) If you haven't upgraded in the last... oh, 30 minutes. But even so, back on 2/14 I released com.drnull.drpodder-hb. Mar 04 18:30:58 that doesn't make sense Mar 04 18:31:23 no, I mean gstreamer can give us all info Mar 04 18:31:24 oilsworkn: yeah, I get the feeling changing the appid while leaving it the same program might have confused preware as well... Mar 04 18:31:27 don't need to write handlers Mar 04 18:31:41 same code will dump tags for mp3, wma, ogg... Mar 04 18:31:45 drnull: it groups by appid, so i just see two drpodders Mar 04 18:32:07 good, that makes sense I guess. Mar 04 18:32:16 woody_: it's building for me Mar 04 18:32:20 drnull: yeah I know where the regex fail is Mar 04 18:32:25 testing my fix Mar 04 18:32:38 zsoc_wirc, you see what I pasted? Mar 04 18:32:43 it built but Mar 04 18:32:49 yeah, that regex wasn't the best to begin with :) Mar 04 18:32:50 it didnt install the changes Mar 04 18:33:09 what do you mean? Mar 04 18:33:39 did you use the doctor image that was in the build directory? Mar 04 18:34:18 Has anybody else had trouble with Windows deciding it doesn't want to talk to the Pre anymore? Seems like if I pull the plug and reconnect sometimes I'll get: "palm-log: no devices found" until I reboot (or reinstall the sdk). Additionally, it seems like I'm always having to go into device manager and disable/reenable "Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget" because I won't get an IP address. Is it just me? (does this on both of my Mar 04 18:35:22 i actually haven't hooked my pre up to my new win7 install yet Mar 04 18:35:33 but that never happened on xp Mar 04 18:35:41 I use win7 and never had that happen Mar 04 18:35:47 So, is there a good way to restore stuff from the sqlite DBs if I back them up prior to a full phone erase? Mar 04 18:35:56 but I'm not disconnecting and reconnecting it like 100 times Mar 04 18:36:03 spotter: I don't get it. you want a service that runs every file through decodebin and then somehow awks the data into a sqllite database? Mar 04 18:36:06 and why not? Mar 04 18:36:27 spotter: you're either getting at something awesome or stupid, and I can't figure out which yet Mar 04 18:36:31 yes i di Mar 04 18:36:35 did Mar 04 18:36:38 .... Mar 04 18:36:44 drnull: so the change in appid destroys my database? Mar 04 18:36:47 I guess I'll doctor my pre Mar 04 18:36:51 to help you out Mar 04 18:37:03 i ran all the way through and all but it shows the same screen Mar 04 18:37:08 well, not running each file through system Mar 04 18:37:16 call gstreamer libs directly and get the tag data out of it Mar 04 18:37:27 and yes, iterate over every file Mar 04 18:37:36 i.e. replace the service like you said, with our own Mar 04 18:37:45 as long as we understand the db format, don't think it should be so hard Mar 04 18:37:53 oilsworkn: well, no, it just installs a new app so the db doesn't get copied over. 0.4.8 can be running along beside 0.5.1/0.5.3 though. Mar 04 18:38:18 woody_: can you send me your makefile I want to make sure you uncommented everything correctly Mar 04 18:38:22 spotter: I don't see how that is logistically possible. please forgive me if you are a gst dev but I'm unsure about this Mar 04 18:38:43 spotter: it is a very good idea tho, because obviously gst already handles tags of every type Mar 04 18:38:55 oilsworkn: there were enough changes to how downloaded files were handled that I had to blow away the db... deletes are handed by the downloadmanager now, and that requires storing the download ticket ID, which I didn't do in the past. Nevermind the fact that webOS would hand out duplicate tickets after a reboot (LOL) Mar 04 18:39:03 I'd think we should be able to load each file Mar 04 18:39:09 extract tags from loaded file Mar 04 18:39:16 and close file Mar 04 18:39:18 and just iterate Mar 04 18:39:24 oilsworkn: and when I say "blow away the db" I mean "not use the existing db and just require you to start over" :) Mar 04 18:39:31 looking for a simple test gst app that I can test with Mar 04 18:39:37 never coded anything gst Mar 04 18:39:53 http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-helloworld.html seems like a good start Mar 04 18:40:06 spotter: 'extract tags' from where? we would literally have to restart mediaserver in debug mode, or have a service that runs gst-launch, and awk everything. it's a hack unless there is a better option Mar 04 18:40:40 Mercury: if you copy the .db files out of /media/internal/.app-storage, you can put them back after you do a full phone erase. It won't be simple, though, as the db name will have changed Mar 04 18:40:45 yeah, thats what i figured :) Mar 04 18:40:53 spotter: I am familiar with gstreamer development. I now understand you are suggesting a gstreamer application service for extraction. it is an interesting idea Mar 04 18:41:36 perhaps w/ inotify support (assuming pre has it?) to see when stuff changes on "sd card" Mar 04 18:41:52 how do i do that Mar 04 18:42:09 Mercury: for example, drPodder-hb's db is here on my Pre: /media/internal/.app-storage/file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.drnull.drpodder-hb_0/000000000000004a.db Mar 04 18:42:34 spotter: yes there is inotify support Mar 04 18:42:55 * oilsworkn has been tempted to submit code to drpodder Mar 04 18:43:00 Mercury: I could make a copy of that, but when I erased and reinstalled my apps, the db that drPodder creates might be 0000000000000039.db. So I'd have to copy my backed up 000000000000004a.db over top of 0000000000000039.db (when drPodder wasn't running, of course) Mar 04 18:43:16 * drnull is ashamed of the code, and sad sometimes that it is open source Mar 04 18:43:30 woody_: oh you're using a webclient Mar 04 18:43:37 lol Mar 04 18:44:01 woody_: can you throw it up on the web somewhere like a dropbox or something Mar 04 18:44:06 there is just certain visual/display things that sometimes catch my eye Mar 04 18:44:20 oilsworkn: what functionality is missing (well, what specific functionality from the large collection of missing functionality do you really miss) Mar 04 18:44:22 one minuet Mar 04 18:44:32 its functionality great Mar 04 18:44:37 its just little quirks i see Mar 04 18:44:44 haha, it's just fugly :) Mar 04 18:44:51 like no scrollfade on the top of the main scene Mar 04 18:45:04 Oh right, I remember seeing that in stylematters Mar 04 18:45:12 and the way the description scroller is on the playing scene Mar 04 18:45:15 where its a seperate scroller Mar 04 18:45:19 and sometimes the whole scene scrolls Mar 04 18:45:36 just little things like that i've been tempted to fix :) Mar 04 18:46:06 Ahh, yes, that part is terrible. By all means... if you can fix that scrolling thing, please do. I was just trying to make sure the title and scrubber were always visible. Mar 04 18:46:33 I think it probably looks terrible on the Pixi... :( Mar 04 18:48:02 spotter: so there may be a function for just extracting tags in gst... assuming this is doable, do you know anything about exporting tables to a databasein a C app? Mar 04 18:49:08 yeah, i dont have a pixi so i can't speak to it Mar 04 18:49:32 but with that scene specifically, i would make that header div position:fixed at the top Mar 04 18:49:42 then just put the content in the main part of the scene instead of its own scroller Mar 04 18:49:58 zsoc_wirc, I can figure it out Mar 04 18:50:00 didt it ages ago Mar 04 18:50:15 like i put in jstop when i did some of its css Mar 04 18:50:18 the header is stationary Mar 04 18:50:26 but there is only the one scroller, the scene's scroller Mar 04 18:53:21 zsoc_wirc, I can't get the db off my pre at the moment, but if you can email me one, I can play around w/ some sqlite code on it Mar 04 18:53:34 drnull: But the DB ID is not embedded on the DB? Alright then. Mar 04 18:53:53 drnull: Thank you. Mar 04 18:56:14 Mercury: hmm, correct. The ID is stored in one of Palm's databases (see "sqlite3 /var/palm/data/Databases.db 'select origin, name, path from databases;'" for details) Mar 04 18:56:37 oilsworkn: I'll try that. Thanks! Mar 04 18:56:51 np Mar 04 18:59:22 Can anyone tell me of any cool themes in palmware? Mar 04 18:59:24 drnull1: Then might I be able to modify Palm's database instead of renaming all the files? Mar 04 18:59:50 palmware? Mar 04 18:59:51 xD Mar 04 19:00:03 Mercury: Danger is the only thing I can think of to respond to that with. :) Mar 04 19:00:09 lol preware! Mar 04 19:00:12 sorry Mar 04 19:00:16 i thought it was in /var/home/root/html5-databases/? Mar 04 19:00:31 drnull1: Screw it, I'm blowing away my whole phone at this point, what's the worst that can happen, I have to doctor it again? Mar 04 19:00:42 though i haven't looked since the switch to /media/internal Mar 04 19:00:45 oilsworkn: I think that's where it is on the emulator, right? Or maybe that's the difference between ext and normal db's? Mar 04 19:00:53 idk Mar 04 19:00:58 i do know i gotta figure out Mar 04 19:01:03 considering we have to add deleting them to preware Mar 04 19:01:14 currently any apps removed with it don't get their cookies or databases deleted Mar 04 19:01:31 oilsworkn: There is no /var/home/root/html5-databases/ on my phone. Mar 04 19:01:36 well then Mar 04 19:01:38 oilsworkn: I bet there's a service for that. :) Mar 04 19:01:56 yeah, palms stuff Mar 04 19:02:01 Oh nevermind, I forgot preware didn't go the com.palm route. Mar 04 19:02:13 though we may switch to it Mar 04 19:02:18 heh Mar 04 19:02:33 now that they support postinst/prerem scripts Mar 04 19:02:39 Well, I think I have everything backed up, so, time to erase everything and start over. Mar 04 19:02:40 Would have been my preference all along, as opposed to reinventing the wheel Mar 04 19:02:46 (And if that fails, replace the damn phone.) Mar 04 19:02:58 we had to go the ipkg route Mar 04 19:03:08 to do our own stuff, make "advanced" homebrew work Mar 04 19:03:24 Right, I'm just being shortsighted and simplistic Mar 04 19:03:30 lol Mar 04 19:03:35 :) Mar 04 19:03:37 but now their installer has scripts Mar 04 19:03:41 like we did Mar 04 19:03:45 so we might switch over Mar 04 19:04:04 Hmm, cryptofs, media_internal, opt, root, and var backed up. I think that's everything. Mar 04 19:04:07 as yet undecided Mar 04 19:04:14 yeah, but then you're dependent on them, and let's not even get into how they massively change api's at the drop of a hat. Mar 04 19:04:19 they're agile, that's for sure. Mar 04 19:04:19 yeah Mar 04 19:04:28 at least you're finally getting drpodder into the catalog Mar 04 19:04:43 I'm just a little tweaked with the audio changes, don't mind me. I'm bitter. Mar 04 19:05:09 Yes, as long as I don't have any more undocumented api's stuck in there anywhere. ;) Mar 04 19:05:31 i wonder if they actually audit all the code Mar 04 19:05:39 :) Mar 04 19:05:44 they grep '\ Mar 04 19:05:45 ;] Mar 04 19:05:49 yeah, haha Mar 04 19:06:17 we shall see. :) I've never seen com.palm.downloadmanager/allow1x {"value":true} documented anywhere but I plan on using it. Mar 04 19:06:30 lol Mar 04 19:06:35 hehe Mar 04 19:06:49 i wonder what is the progress with NaNplayer Mar 04 19:06:50 :0 Mar 04 19:07:20 That's the whole mediadb thing. I think the problem there is that there was a com.palm.mediadb/deleteFile function that was . . . dangerous. :) Mar 04 19:07:21 that guy is too big of a baby Mar 04 19:07:36 Once my phone works reliably, I need to spend time on a patch to let me flag some contacts as ignoring the silence switch. (Possibly with a really silence switch in the device menu.) Mar 04 19:07:52 Mercury: I think there's a patch for that? Mar 04 19:08:11 drnull1: Any memory of the name? Because I've been watching for one and not seeing it. Mar 04 19:08:18 working on it Mar 04 19:08:42 maemo has a nice feature... when u have the phone screen up and someone call you you can turn the phone screen down and it will silence itself Mar 04 19:08:49 in the meaning it will mute the sound Mar 04 19:08:59 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/211255-patch-call-block-ignore.html Mar 04 19:09:05 * Mercury wants to be able to get his work calls while he's on call, and not get woken up by other people while he's trying to sleep. Mar 04 19:09:16 spotter: gst_tag_list_new() Mar 04 19:09:23 oh that's backwards, nevermind, Mercury Mar 04 19:09:27 drnull1: Yeah. Mar 04 19:09:29 I'd like what you were mentioning too. :) Mar 04 19:09:46 Mercury: use google voice, make a white list and a time restriction Mar 04 19:09:53 * oilsworkn waits for patch Mar 04 19:09:53 zsoc: you stole my idea Mar 04 19:10:04 Once my phone actually starts admitting that it's getting phone calls again, I'll try to spend some time on it. Mar 04 19:10:11 nt4cats: which? gvoice? Mar 04 19:10:19 zsoc_wirc, so its easy :) Mar 04 19:10:28 zsoc_wirc: That would work better if, for example, people didn't already _have_ my real cell number. Mar 04 19:10:29 * nt4cats throws a rotten tomato at zsoc for stealing his gvoice recommendation Mar 04 19:10:42 spotter: hahaha like I said. I know nothing about creating tables Mar 04 19:10:46 zsoc_wirc: As they do, it doesn't help much. Mar 04 19:10:48 zsoc_wirc, easy Mar 04 19:10:54 or use batt saver and have it turn off the wifi/network while you're sleeping Mar 04 19:10:54 sqlite does it itself Mar 04 19:11:00 sqlite .dump Mar 04 19:11:10 will dump it to screen Mar 04 19:11:13 or > output Mar 04 19:11:14 Robi_: Nope, I _must_ receive calls from work while I'm on call. Mar 04 19:11:38 anyways, we can talk tonight Mar 04 19:11:40 Robi_: Doesn't matter if it's 4am and I'm very asleep, those have to wake my ass up. :) Mar 04 19:11:40 have to get some work done Mar 04 19:11:50 drnull1: almost done Mar 04 19:11:57 drnull: almost done Mar 04 19:12:06 lol Mar 04 19:12:07 Mercury: do you have google voice? Mar 04 19:12:19 The spinning thinggy on the full erase on my phone isn't spinning any more. Why do I have a feeling that I should start downloading the doctor? Mar 04 19:12:24 Mercury: then set up a home pbx that manages your calls Mar 04 19:12:31 spotter: er, I mean making tables from the gst app Mar 04 19:12:31 nt4cats: I think I have an account, but that's not the number people have. Mar 04 19:12:34 * drnull1 had a stupid network outage so now has a split personality Mar 04 19:12:37 Robi_: My phone should be able to do this itself. :) Mar 04 19:12:46 zsoc_wirc, sqlite has C interface Mar 04 19:12:49 very easy to use Mar 04 19:12:52 just feed sql commands ot it Mar 04 19:13:04 Mercury: you'll have to write an app to do it then ;] Mar 04 19:13:08 Mercury: well, Gvoice can be your PBX, and I'd have to imagine you can update your phone number on the list(s) at work ... Mar 04 19:13:24 spotter: ok, now the only obstacle is I'm not a programmer Mar 04 19:13:28 nt4cats: Harder to update the phone number in my mother in law's head though. :) Mar 04 19:13:31 .. but I can see that if everyone already has your cell number that won't help if they dial it at 2a Mar 04 19:13:41 Mercury: crack open her head and try Mar 04 19:13:43 * oilsworkn thought zsoc was programmer master Mar 04 19:13:50 just fwd all calls from your phone to GV Mar 04 19:14:02 though he never did get a viewfinder working in precorder xD Mar 04 19:14:02 Robi_: Well, a patch probably, since I'll have to muck with the logic dealing with the silence switch on recieving phone calls. Mar 04 19:14:07 oilsworkn: no I'm a hacker extraordinaire Mar 04 19:14:21 i thought that was someone else Mar 04 19:14:31 drnull1: ok, working Mar 04 19:14:48 * oilsworkn can't keep anything straight Mar 04 19:14:49 azakus: cool, thanks! Mar 04 19:14:57 [\w\.]+ -> [\S]+ Mar 04 19:15:07 oilsworkn: where do you live? we should go out for drinks :p Mar 04 19:15:17 well that is a bigger hammer for sure. Should work. :) Mar 04 19:15:19 washington state Mar 04 19:15:38 also I'm catching the exceptions if anything breaks now Mar 04 19:15:42 Mercury: get a cheap pay-as-you-go plan phone from walmart and give that number to work. Turn off your pre at night. Mar 04 19:16:06 zsoc_wirc, we can implement it as a shell script too :) Mar 04 19:16:09 OR, patch Mar 04 19:16:12 err, give your gvoice number to work, use gvoice to ring your cheapie at night (it'll be on) and your regular cell during hte day Mar 04 19:16:13 but I'll take a look at it to night Mar 04 19:16:44 nt4cats: Again, I'd rather write the patch. My last phone could do this just fine. Mar 04 19:16:45 spotter: ok, let me catch up with ajames, he's supposed to already be working on something similar and I don't want to duplicate work Mar 04 19:16:58 no problem Mar 04 19:17:00 45 more mins here at work before lunch? Mar 04 19:17:05 i may fall asleep before then Mar 04 19:17:38 ok new "feature" of jstop. If your appId isn't caught by my regex You get "BORKED" as your processname in the list Mar 04 19:17:38 oilsworkn: give me the external IPs of several machines at your employer's facility. I'll make sure you don't fall asleep. Mar 04 19:17:59 azakus: nice Mar 04 19:18:07 nt4cats: id rather sleep Mar 04 19:18:39 azakus: haha, thanks for fixing my appid so people won't start referring to drPodder as BORKED. Mar 04 19:19:02 Wow, oilsworkn's employer has a gibson! Mar 04 19:19:04 Who here has seen Archer? Mar 04 19:19:34 eh? Mar 04 19:20:02 its a cartoon on FX Mar 04 19:20:10 its fucking hilarious Mar 04 19:20:24 i think the people that did Aqua Teen make Archer Mar 04 19:20:27 idk i havet looked yet though Mar 04 19:22:02 yeah, i haven't seen it Mar 04 19:22:44 actually, i can't remember the last time i watched a cartoon Mar 04 19:25:01 Anybody use the "Enter key for new line" patch? Mar 04 19:25:07 I don't think it's working. Mar 04 19:25:11 not even "adult" cartoons? ie family guy Mar 04 19:25:39 oh, i forgot about family guy Mar 04 19:25:51 adult cartoons? like bible black? Mar 04 19:25:56 lol Mar 04 19:25:59 mitalis, you are correct, just tested Mar 04 19:26:10 pushed jstop 0.1.1 Mar 04 19:26:10 someone complain to dbsooner Mar 04 19:26:25 I take it he's afk? Mar 04 19:26:41 azakus - you're jstop? kudos - that's good stuff Mar 04 19:26:58 he is jstop Mar 04 19:27:08 I AM THE LAW Mar 04 19:27:10 I <3 Jstop Mar 04 19:27:10 :P Mar 04 19:27:18 lol Mar 04 19:27:23 azakus, thanks Mar 04 19:27:33 he's in ur pre killin ur apps Mar 04 19:27:40 collectin ur garbage Mar 04 19:28:45 takin out the trash Mar 04 19:29:02 azakus: how have you enjoyed your webos-internals experience? Mar 04 19:29:09 * mjkjr|wirc wonders how he fits in there Mar 04 19:29:09 very fun Mar 04 19:32:39 so who said that "js" in app name breaks css? :P Mar 04 19:33:26 azakus did Mar 04 19:33:33 said it breaks loading external css files Mar 04 19:33:35 yap just raise ur hand so I don't have to grep the logs ;) Mar 04 19:34:00 the fix was to inline the css in index Mar 04 19:34:05 er, in the scene rather Mar 04 19:34:07 oh i see Mar 04 19:34:25 ok and will somebody tell me why palm got rid of the forward gesture? :( it was so useful Mar 04 19:34:38 its still there Mar 04 19:34:46 api changed? Mar 04 19:34:53 idk Mar 04 19:35:00 maybe the browser just doesn't use it anymore Mar 04 19:35:05 so why it doesnt work in browser? or tweed? Mar 04 19:35:33 anyway i have to make a poster for my room Mar 04 19:35:40 random Mar 04 19:35:41 coz I got this cool idea Mar 04 19:35:51 lol Mar 04 19:36:02 oilsworkn: pretty sure the forward gesture is broken, yeah... Mar 04 19:36:15 yeah it's broken Mar 04 19:36:17 well i know the "advanced" forward gesture works Mar 04 19:36:21 they've not done away with it, it's just broken. Mar 04 19:36:26 I will put screen of brower running in webos and under it will say "yo dawg.... you wanted browser in browser so we created webOS" :D Mar 04 19:36:49 that would be a cool poster tho Mar 04 19:37:04 would it? Mar 04 19:37:09 yap ;) Mar 04 19:37:40 only for those who are running in "geek mode" Mar 04 19:37:41 :) Mar 04 19:38:21 unfortunately the switch is broken? Mar 04 19:39:13 the advanced mode works it's just the forward gesture in app from center button to right swipe Mar 04 19:39:31 similar to back gesture in app Mar 04 19:40:09 um, advanced mode is swipe all the way across the gesture area, not from the center button, right? Mar 04 19:40:16 right Mar 04 19:40:17 yes Mar 04 19:40:27 but with advanced mode off Mar 04 19:40:33 does a full forward swipe fo forward? Mar 04 19:40:38 s/fo/go/ Mar 04 19:40:39 oilsworkn meant: does a full gorward swipe fo forward? Mar 04 19:40:50 ~botsmack Mar 04 19:40:52 OWW! Mar 04 19:40:53 lol gorword Mar 04 19:41:32 awww Mar 04 19:41:39 ~botsnack Mar 04 19:41:39 mjkjr|wirc: :) Mar 04 19:41:54 dont give him treats, he's been a bad boy Mar 04 19:42:45 infobot: tell oilsworkn you are sorry Mar 04 19:43:13 he said he wont Mar 04 19:43:22 * oilsworkn locks infobot in closet Mar 04 19:43:51 lol and what u gonna do to it oilsworkn Mar 04 19:44:06 nothing Mar 04 19:44:16 they all say that Mar 04 19:44:36 just lock it in there and ignore its crys all day Mar 04 19:44:45 ;] Mar 04 19:45:35 ~lart oilsworkn Mar 04 19:45:36 * infobot squishes oilsworkn like a bug Mar 04 19:45:52 lol Mar 04 19:46:52 ~lart infobot Mar 04 19:46:52 * infobot makes a balloon animal out of oilsworkn Mar 04 19:47:01 well that backfired Mar 04 19:47:09 lol Mar 04 19:47:39 sorry, but it deserves it. Mar 04 19:47:40 ~botsnack Mar 04 19:47:40 aw, gee, drnull1 Mar 04 19:47:59 ~hug oilsworkn Mar 04 19:47:59 * infobot hugs oilsworkn tightly until oilsworkn turns slightly blue Mar 04 19:48:15 see, he's sorry now Mar 04 19:49:11 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Mar 04 19:55:08 jacques, if you're in here, was it you that mentioned something about preware hanging on "fixing unknown packages" for you? Mar 04 20:00:19 mjkjr|wirc: no, that wasn't me - might have been Mousey Mar 04 20:00:25 hmm? Mar 04 20:00:38 that went away Mar 04 20:00:51 my kingdom for a USB A<->B cable Mar 04 20:04:31 hmmm, just happens to me occasionally. then if I throw the card away and open preware again it's fine Mar 04 20:05:53 Quick question regarding the messaging plugins install. Mar 04 20:06:10 In the instructions it says to "Close everything and log off messaging" Mar 04 20:06:11 but ur nick says it all idontwan2know Mar 04 20:06:21 [; Mar 04 20:06:26 lol Mar 04 20:06:41 Does closing the messsaging app suffice or is there something else I need to do? Mar 04 20:06:50 closing the app should be ok Mar 04 20:06:58 okay, thanks Mar 04 20:07:29 The phrase "log off messaging" is a little unclear...I'll mention that in the thread Mar 04 20:11:47 lol Mar 04 20:16:03 terminal working with 1.4 yet? Mar 04 20:16:30 no Mar 04 20:17:55 it implies that there's a service running in the background that you have to actively log out of Mar 04 20:30:35 Sweet, Digloo is out :) Mar 04 20:32:16 yap Mar 04 20:32:23 it looks gorgeus Mar 04 20:32:53 anyway i preffer reddit Mar 04 20:33:11 ugh, something I agree with en0x on Mar 04 20:33:59 digg is crap. Mar 04 20:34:00 oil: what causes fix unknown packages to hang on occasion? Mar 04 20:34:09 these days i also prefer reddit Mar 04 20:34:15 but, digloo was too slick not to jump on O_O Mar 04 20:34:52 Reddit is getting worse by the day though. All the trolls from digg and 4chan are joining ruining the site. Mar 04 20:35:32 zsoc_wirc, ;d Mar 04 20:36:22 what? Mar 04 20:36:25 complain to me for what? Mar 04 20:36:40 ~seen rwhitby Mar 04 20:36:45 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 72 messages. Is idling for 6h 52m 35s, last said: 'and you can find the names and email addresses of the current translators in the commit log'. Mar 04 20:36:54 rwhitby: ping when you get here Mar 04 20:37:42 Mitalis: Duh.. Enter Key for New Line is NOT listed as ported yet. Mar 04 20:37:53 Read the item description of your 1.4.0-0 installed patch for it. Mar 04 20:38:07 dBsooner: Catching up on the day's activities? :P Mar 04 20:38:10 It says, "This patch is currenlty not available. This is a palce holder." Mar 04 20:38:17 Eguy: unfortunately. Mar 04 20:38:33 It's disturbing that people don't read. Mar 04 20:38:47 my threads is a bunch of copy pastes by me Mar 04 20:38:50 Reading is hard. Mar 04 20:39:09 Answered this 5 posts again.. answered this 10 posts ago.. answered this IN THE PREVIOUS POST. Mar 04 20:39:11 Those are my favs Mar 04 20:39:26 the ones that post RIGHT after me (within an hour) asking the SAME thing I just answered. Mar 04 20:39:30 your my favorite Mar 04 20:39:33 OH SNAP Mar 04 20:40:10 and I am so mad at palm Mar 04 20:40:25 dBsooner: I want to hop on that train. Mar 04 20:40:57 I see the rumors of 1.4.0 being "buggy as hell" prior to release are true.. Mar 04 20:41:00 Did ya'll know there was a Whitby class of frigates? Mar 04 20:41:04 and oddly.. didn't get fixed prior to release. Mar 04 20:41:46 i've missed 10 phone calls today Mar 04 20:41:52 and 8 text messages Mar 04 20:41:54 why? Mar 04 20:41:59 because the phone app keeps locking up Mar 04 20:42:04 I miss calls because the phone app lags and uses all the ram up. Mar 04 20:42:05 Luna keeps stealing all the memory Mar 04 20:42:07 I don't think I get 10 calls a MONTH Mar 04 20:42:08 yep Mar 04 20:42:23 It;'s rediculous. Mar 04 20:42:24 but they met their February deadline. :) Mar 04 20:42:32 I am about to switch to my Centro again. Even Palm OS is more reliable than webOS. Mar 04 20:42:42 s/)/(/ Mar 04 20:42:42 drnull1 meant: but they met their February deadline. :( Mar 04 20:42:47 I'll be buying a new phone in June to get rid of my Pre :). Mar 04 20:43:12 See, my clean pre has none of these issues Mar 04 20:43:14 really? I mean Mar 04 20:43:23 I had an iPod touch first gen which was the same as the first gen iPhone Mar 04 20:43:27 talking about buggy Mar 04 20:43:45 my phone is hacked up like mad and i have 0 stability problems Mar 04 20:43:50 At least it didn't take 5 minutes to turn on ;) Mar 04 20:43:51 Palm will have a point release out the door shortly to wrap up some loose ends Mar 04 20:44:20 Are we talking about loose ends as in bugs? Or loose ends as in people? Mar 04 20:44:25 i noticed that its usually when I am doing a ton of stuff in luna that causes it to lock up Mar 04 20:44:30 Like I installed 10 apps from AC Mar 04 20:44:34 1.4.1 will be out soon enough. Mar 04 20:44:34 and it all of sudden decided to reboot Mar 04 20:44:44 and when it did.. I got 5 text messages at one time Mar 04 20:44:54 all were backlogged bc phone app was stuck Mar 04 20:45:16 only weird things ive had happen to my phone Mar 04 20:45:29 once the phone app hung... only one time though never did it again and it was fixed with just a reboot Mar 04 20:45:37 and once the whole phone froze and i had to pull the battery Mar 04 20:45:42 i never have app crashes Mar 04 20:45:44 slowness Mar 04 20:45:45 etc Mar 04 20:45:51 well neither have I Mar 04 20:45:53 Sure, everything is fixed with a reboot but it shouldn't NEED that. Mar 04 20:45:58 my phone is a battered war scarred veteran at this point also Mar 04 20:45:59 and TBH.. those 2 things you had should NEVER happen Mar 04 20:46:01 1.4 is somewhat unstable for me Mar 04 20:46:21 Eguy: ive only had to reboot my phone twice ever to "fix" something Mar 04 20:46:25 loot-: I highly doubt its been through as much as mine Mar 04 20:46:26 every other time it was for webos updates Mar 04 20:46:38 destinal: terminal? :P Mar 04 20:46:40 I've had it lock and then stay at a black screen (not unlock) until reboot. Mar 04 20:46:48 ive had mine since 6/6 and i have doctored at least 100 times Mar 04 20:46:57 Eguy: No, terminal makes it crash completely :P Mar 04 20:47:02 im loving the lock screen issue Mar 04 20:47:06 I have doctored mine maybe.... 15 times since launch day Mar 04 20:47:08 dBsooner: I think you've earned some sort of patch if you get to 100 Mar 04 20:47:16 I had the lock screen problem today. Had to reboot for that. Mar 04 20:47:27 never had lock screen issues! Mar 04 20:47:31 i get that at leat once a day Mar 04 20:47:36 usually when its on the TS Mar 04 20:47:56 hah good to know i have a good phone apparently Mar 04 20:47:59 (and by "patch" I mean a decoration you sew onto a jacket) Mar 04 20:48:05 * halfhalo to his Pre: Who's a good Pre! Your a good Pre! Mar 04 20:48:20 Palm should have set a standard pricing structure Mar 04 20:48:23 halfhalo: s/Your/You're/ Mar 04 20:48:27 some of these apps are rediculously overpriced Mar 04 20:48:40 halfhalos pre bites off his finger Mar 04 20:48:44 My app says, "Hello Daniel!" .. that's all it does.. Mar 04 20:48:49 lol Mar 04 20:48:50 and I am goingo to charge 3.99 for it Mar 04 20:48:54 Palm's a small company, they have made a lot of bad products, and it takes them a while to fix things. I'll be getting a HTC device next. Mar 04 20:48:56 do it Mar 04 20:49:01 dBsooner: I'd pay $6.99 for it Mar 04 20:49:07 i would just make "I'm rich app" Mar 04 20:49:09 i toyed with the idea of making my phone have "wargames" sound effects Mar 04 20:49:12 lol Mar 04 20:49:21 dbSooner: how about a big gem stone that says "I'm rich" and charge $999.99 for it Mar 04 20:49:24 did you all see BHL's new source of income? Mar 04 20:49:29 HTC is a big company that makes a lot of bad products that the NEVER fix. Mar 04 20:49:33 2.99 "John Doe Quotes" Mar 04 20:49:39 yeah Mar 04 20:49:41 s/John Doe/Who Ever/ Mar 04 20:49:42 dBsooner meant: 2.99 "Who Ever Quotes" Mar 04 20:49:48 BH should be shot Mar 04 20:49:50 with a gun Mar 04 20:49:53 at close range Mar 04 20:49:55 in the head Mar 04 20:50:07 idontwan2know: That's why you get the new model! Mar 04 20:50:20 ... Mar 04 20:50:46 I wander if app spam is actually making BHL any money ... Mar 04 20:51:17 of courrse it is Mar 04 20:51:22 I'm sure it is. Mar 04 20:51:23 If you are stupid enough to buy a BHL app, you deserve to be screwed. Mar 04 20:51:27 s/courrse/course Mar 04 20:51:45 It's pretty much a web page in an app. Mar 04 20:52:00 at least they get the app count up Mar 04 20:52:22 It would be 30 without them. Mar 04 20:52:29 no, its pretty much one app submitted over and over again with slight changes Mar 04 20:52:48 I haven't read the terms -- but can you make a "hot naked babes showing it all" app and get it in Palm's catalog? Mar 04 20:53:09 Apparently. Mar 04 20:53:30 sweet Mar 04 20:53:33 someone get on that Mar 04 20:54:11 halfhalo: Once we get flash you can go on redtube and be happy. Mar 04 20:54:26 but that isn't an app now is it? Mar 04 20:54:37 See, an app will show up iphone users Mar 04 20:54:44 Someone will make it. Mar 04 20:55:06 Eguy: there is no porn on the internet -- that's all a myth Mar 04 20:55:17 like alaska/ Mar 04 20:55:22 nt4cats: No, there are no women on the internet. Mar 04 20:55:22 ? Mar 04 20:55:30 That's a fact. Mar 04 20:55:55 * Mousey wonders why WOQI won't see his pre Mar 04 20:56:15 because it hates you? Mar 04 20:56:24 Who's hungry? http://i.imgur.com/kzoxU.jpg Mar 04 20:56:25 Mousey: because you're a bad person? Mar 04 20:56:37 ;_; Mar 04 20:56:40 Eguy: will that link get me/us fired if we click on it at work? Mar 04 20:56:47 Not at all. Mar 04 20:57:02 it MIGHT make you throw up though Mar 04 20:57:08 novaterm works, not novacomd Mar 04 20:57:11 ;_; Mar 04 20:57:17 novaterm works, not woqi Mar 04 20:57:18 i mean Mar 04 20:57:26 hey I have a preware issue Mar 04 20:57:45 Toaster23: too bad Mar 04 20:57:52 What a shame. Mar 04 20:57:55 after the latest update preware says I only have 5 packages installed :S Mar 04 20:57:57 sucks to be you! Mar 04 20:58:08 Eguy: no questionable content please Mar 04 20:58:17 zsoc_wirc: What? Mar 04 20:58:25 zsoc: it was food Mar 04 20:58:32 nt4cats: oh. Mar 04 20:58:40 Eguy: sorry that's just surprising lol Mar 04 20:58:44 it was disgusting food, but only food Mar 04 20:58:45 zsoc_wirc: Why don't you click before you scald ;) Mar 04 20:58:47 zsoc: Eguy's link was safe for work -- I was worried because we had just been talking about porn Mar 04 20:59:00 halfhalo: and by 'disgusting' you mean 'awesome' Mar 04 20:59:13 I think we may try making that at work next week Mar 04 20:59:17 no, I mean its only 10% bacon Mar 04 20:59:57 That is sure to give you a heart att-ack-ack-ack-ack-ack Mar 04 21:00:26 Toaster23: do a feed update? Mar 04 21:00:35 Yeah I do still only 5 Mar 04 21:00:38 and 4 of them are weird Mar 04 21:00:54 it says: Mar 04 21:01:06 False vfalse - Unknown Date Mar 04 21:01:08 brb Mar 04 21:01:37 And then another one thats just grabled text. :P Mar 04 21:02:27 garbled* Mar 04 21:02:36 Toaster23: rwhitby and egaudet_work may be interested Mar 04 21:03:21 I read on the forums you can do an ERU and it might fix it Mar 04 21:03:34 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/226074-preware-only-shows-6-installed-packages.html Mar 04 21:10:38 How do you run a linux app? :S Mar 04 21:11:30 morning Mar 04 21:12:29 afternoon Mar 04 21:12:43 ~UGT Mar 04 21:12:44 hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Mar 04 21:13:18 forgive me, morning Mar 04 21:13:25 but how can that apply? Rod is ALWAYS here. He never leaves. Mar 04 21:13:51 drnull1: neither do i. but when we rejoin the channel. Mar 04 21:13:55 "rejoin" Mar 04 21:14:21 aye, I rarely exit myself. Just giving you a hard time. :) Mar 04 21:15:20 so you'll have to forgive me if this is the wrong place for this. I'm quite the newbie when it comes to IRC Mar 04 21:15:28 DaveE_: its fine. Mar 04 21:15:55 I've got some trouble with a few Pre patches that I can't seem to remove or update... Mar 04 21:16:10 I've tried everything short of a full WebOS doctor Mar 04 21:16:33 any update or remove attempt ends up with the following error: Mar 04 21:16:35 DaveE_: run EPR Mar 04 21:16:48 yup, tried ERP as well Mar 04 21:16:57 patches are still there Mar 04 21:17:01 and EPR didnt fix it? Mar 04 21:17:09 not functioning, unremovable and un-updateable Mar 04 21:17:28 nope, ERP didn't do it Mar 04 21:18:06 does ERP create a log somewhere that shows what it did? Mar 04 21:18:36 sorry, I'v been fat fingering EPR, not ERP Mar 04 21:19:18 egaudet: did we work out what filled timofalltrades's Pre ? Mar 04 21:20:06 DaveE_: yes, you would need to put device into usb mode and you an see the log there Mar 04 21:22:25 k, it looks like EPR compared the md5sums for the patch files and the sums were the same so EPR removed the original file. Mar 04 21:22:45 DaveE_: sometimes it's just easier to backup, full erase, and then doctor Mar 04 21:23:10 yeah, I was hoping to avoid that, but I have done it before Mar 04 21:23:52 cool, we thanks for the info Mar 04 21:25:29 drnull1: if I didn't say morning or night, then people wouldn't know whether I'm really here, or just reading them in backlog Mar 04 21:36:12 hey Mar 04 21:36:14 rwhitby: no Mar 04 21:36:40 anyone here that did the german preware translations? i'm having problems with umlauts Mar 04 21:37:34 e.g button labels show ü instead of ü Mar 04 21:37:49 rest of the text is ok tho Mar 04 21:38:41 oilsworkn: I commented out the new feed stuff in 0.9.30 alpha release, but will look at implementing the service part over the weekend. Mar 04 21:39:39 oilsworkn: I also added passing the URL down - can you take a look at that and see if I've done it ok? Mar 04 21:40:22 rwhitby: the service part of adding a feed is just touching the file and appending it with sed, no? Mar 04 21:40:53 zsoc_wirc: yep, wanna write it for me? Mar 04 21:41:35 rwhitby: yeah, it uses that fancy java cmd execute method right? I can fancy a crack at it a bit later Mar 04 21:41:36 lol Mar 04 21:41:44 dont forget delete Mar 04 21:41:51 which is just rm filename Mar 04 21:42:08 zsoc_wirc: actually you only need to create or delete files, no sedding required Mar 04 21:42:22 oilsworkn: really? no! there must be a better way to REMOVE files! Mar 04 21:42:34 (since oil's code will not allow someone to enter an existing name as the file to create) Mar 04 21:42:35 Magnets Mar 04 21:42:37 rwhitby: from my build/unstable folder, I only commit the Makefile? Mar 04 21:42:57 right, it needs to block that, and turn spaces into _'s or something for the names Mar 04 21:43:00 MetaView: build/unreleased/* yeah Mar 04 21:43:22 rwhitby: uh... what utility allows you to create a file containing arbitray text with no necessary interaction? Mar 04 21:43:28 oilsworkn: spaces to hyphens would match what we have now better Mar 04 21:43:30 hm Mar 04 21:43:44 "or something" :) Mar 04 21:44:51 idk, do we really want zsoc stickin his fingers in there? Mar 04 21:44:57 * oilsworkn kids Mar 04 21:45:10 the "error see ipkg log" has to go away Mar 04 21:45:28 oilsworkn: I'm not kidding. clearly this would be a 'learning experience' for me, certainly not _efficient_ for anyone Mar 04 21:45:29 I'm going to snap at the next "How do I fix error ipkg log" Mar 04 21:45:55 lol Mar 04 21:46:02 be sure to link us to it Mar 04 21:46:07 * oilsworkn <3's a good rant Mar 04 21:46:10 zsoc_wirc: was that a real question Mar 04 21:46:11 egaudet_work: I looked into that. same with 'ipkg update' Mar 04 21:46:28 rwhitby: who makes the ipk in unreleased then? An automatically build script? Mar 04 21:46:39 MetaView: the autobuilder Mar 04 21:46:39 huh, so those are known issues? I got one of those in the drPodder thread: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-74.html#post2282380 Mar 04 21:46:51 zsoc_wirc: ok, thxs Mar 04 21:46:55 (ipkg update issues that is) Mar 04 21:47:55 at which time will the autobuilder run? Mar 04 21:47:57 egaudet_work: it requires some javascript regexp replace() magic Mar 04 21:48:06 oil must know how it works :p Mar 04 21:48:14 rwhitby: what you added looks fine to me Mar 04 21:48:44 drnull1: nono that's not an issue, it's a vague error message that needs to be more specific Mar 04 21:48:48 I just want to replace the "ERROR: see ipkg log" popup with the ipkg log's stderr Mar 04 21:49:20 egaudet_work: shouldn't be hard, the subscription method is already there Mar 04 21:49:35 hi, can someone help me with installing preware? Mar 04 21:49:37 would be even easier WITH A C SERVICE Mar 04 21:49:42 :p :p :p Mar 04 21:49:54 gemmy: install.preware.org ? Mar 04 21:50:00 there is a partial c service Mar 04 21:50:08 yes, i've gone through all the guides Mar 04 21:50:11 and when i open preware Mar 04 21:50:23 it says that the package manager isn't installed, but i have installed it Mar 04 21:50:43 do a reset Mar 04 21:50:47 oilsworkn: cool, scroll fades and better scroller handling done. :) Mar 04 21:50:56 :) Mar 04 21:51:02 i had package manager and preware on my launcher Mar 04 21:51:07 it said to restart so i did Mar 04 21:51:13 and then package manager wasn't there anymore Mar 04 21:51:13 but sadly i can't install the new version Mar 04 21:51:16 a real restartß Mar 04 21:51:21 ? Mar 04 21:51:22 but it still says the same thing Mar 04 21:51:23 (my internet keeps throwing 404s for the download) Mar 04 21:51:31 oilsworkn: you sort of avoided my question the other day. are you familiar with regexp matching and replace()? Mar 04 21:51:38 the package manager icon is supposed to go away after a reboot Mar 04 21:51:43 its supposed to be hidden Mar 04 21:51:46 my shift key... Mar 04 21:51:54 * oilsworkn avoids zsoc some more Mar 04 21:51:58 lol Mar 04 21:52:03 i know that it's suppose to go away, that's why i thought preware would work, but it didn't Mar 04 21:52:08 im not terrible at it Mar 04 21:52:21 oilsworkn: it's clear you think I'm an idiot, but it's just a question :p Mar 04 21:52:37 no i dont think that Mar 04 21:52:38 xD Mar 04 21:52:45 Why do people still insist on overclocking to 600mhz when WebOS now scales automatically to 600 in most situations where it needs it? Mar 04 21:52:46 you're webos hacker extraordinare, right? Mar 04 21:52:52 ~zsoc Mar 04 21:52:53 zsoc is probably the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. He's fluent in Hungarian, and wears mc hammer pants. Mar 04 21:52:59 lol Mar 04 21:54:39 lol Mar 04 21:55:02 idontwan2know: you don't want to know =) Mar 04 21:55:53 when i try to install duke3d from the beta feed I get a ipkg error, postinst fails. Now I added at least #!/bin/sh into the first line of the postinst file, but how ca ni test itß Mar 04 21:56:27 so I just realized the ridiculous answer to my stupid question. Mar 04 21:56:41 ? Mar 04 21:56:41 good for you! Mar 04 21:56:52 rwhitby: I assume echo + I/o redirection is the best method? Mar 04 21:57:04 halfhalo: thank you Mar 04 21:58:25 there is a definitely a problem with rescan Mar 04 21:58:28 well, that or my pre sucks Mar 04 21:58:59 oh, a wircer Mar 04 22:00:47 zsoc_wirc: yep Mar 04 22:01:28 oh i scared him off Mar 04 22:01:38 he was probably like "how did he know i was using wirc??!!?" Mar 04 22:02:05 MetaView: I make the ipkgs in unreleased and push them to the testing feed Mar 04 22:02:55 * rwhitby bbl Mar 04 22:03:28 lol Mar 04 22:07:30 oilsworkn: what part of doInstall passes stderr back to preware? you said it's somewhere in the install service subscription? Mar 04 22:07:50 in the service? Mar 04 22:08:02 oilsworkn: in preware... Mar 04 22:08:36 uh Mar 04 22:08:43 doInstall calls the service Mar 04 22:08:47 starts the subscription Mar 04 22:08:54 onInstall is called whenever the service responds Mar 04 22:08:59 and stderr is in the payload Mar 04 22:10:13 oilsworkn: line 1061 of package.js? (assuming you have access to it atm Mar 04 22:13:10 i got git Mar 04 22:13:55 that line initiates the subscription Mar 04 22:13:57 nothing else Mar 04 22:14:22 brb, 5 mins or so Mar 04 22:19:03 hi Mar 04 22:19:59 question: I installed the adblock tweak from webOS QI to my GSM Pre and now Luna won't start anymore. I have openSSH running on it, and can connect by means of SFTP and putty. In the /var/log/messages log it says Active browserserver main process (7482) 2010-01-06T00:17:06.008148Z [1018] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (01018/711617431) browserserver state changed from spawned to post-start 2010-01-06T00:17:06.0099 Mar 04 22:20:06 so i guess the patch has broken something Mar 04 22:20:20 if i had the patch file i could just replace the broken files with the originals from the doctor image Mar 04 22:20:31 can anybody help me on this? Mar 04 22:21:04 oilsworkn: nevermind, I see it now Mar 04 22:21:48 browserserver state changed from stopping to killed Mar 04 22:22:03 so I guess the browser component can not start up because the adblock patch screwed up Mar 04 22:22:17 well. Can't find the patch file, as It is a patch included in webOS QI Mar 04 22:22:17 :) Mar 04 22:23:05 kanzlr: the danger of using closed source patches ... Mar 04 22:23:37 didn't know it is a closed source patch. naive, maybe. Mar 04 22:23:56 any hint what files it could have changed? Mar 04 22:27:23 zsoc_wirc: ? Mar 04 22:27:40 was that ? targeted at me? :) Mar 04 22:28:05 it was targeted at zsoc_wirc, hence prefixing my message with his name :) Mar 04 22:28:13 i don't know anything at all about the "adblock" patch Mar 04 22:32:40 oh, sorry, not an IRC guy myself :) Mar 04 22:33:24 but if you had problems with that patch Mar 04 22:33:33 your best bet is to probably find the author on precentral Mar 04 22:33:35 and ask him Mar 04 22:33:54 it is a patch built into webos QI. not sure how to find out who is the author Mar 04 22:34:14 if it doesn't say, you would have to talk to jason Mar 04 22:37:32 Anyone on here? could use a bit of advice about getting Preware to jive with my Pre. Not making friends yet... Mar 04 22:37:37 will try to do that, thanks :) Mar 04 22:38:40 getting it to jive? Mar 04 22:41:16 oilsworkn: what is payload.status? Mar 04 22:41:42 I assume that's what I'm looking for Mar 04 22:41:53 thats the status? Mar 04 22:42:02 * oilsworkn has no clue wtf you're trying to do Mar 04 22:42:22 I Doctored my Pre, completely re-installed 1.4 as well as Preware. Now, packages I download don't seem to want to load onto the Pre. I finally got Preware onto the Pre, but now getting this message on load: Failure during 'getListFile' operation. Mar 04 22:42:24 btw, does anybody know the packageid of the adblock patch? Mar 04 22:42:32 kanzlr: run EFV to see what files are modified by non-AUPT patches Mar 04 22:42:45 probably just /etc/hosts Mar 04 22:42:55 it's not a patch Mar 04 22:43:12 it's a closed source QI feature/tweak Mar 04 22:44:29 oilsworkn: well, there are only 4 errors: !payload, !payload.returnValue, payload.stage == "failed" (which is the error eric was bitching about), and payload.stag == "status" Mar 04 22:45:20 so I'm still confused where the subscriptions is feeding stderr back Mar 04 22:45:36 zsoc_wirc: in the payload Mar 04 22:45:38 payload.stdout Mar 04 22:45:41 payload.stderr Mar 04 22:45:43 it's a json Mar 04 22:45:52 dalifovea: idk where that "getListFile" error is coming from Mar 04 22:45:55 @egaudet_work EVF = Emergency Verification F... ? Mar 04 22:45:55 egaudet_work: _thank you_ Mar 04 22:45:55 it must be in the service Mar 04 22:45:58 I read that somewhere Mar 04 22:46:05 EFV = Emergency File Verification Mar 04 22:46:13 I already replaced /etc/hosts with the one from the doctor Mar 04 22:46:20 * oilsworkn still doesn't know what the hell zsoc is trying to accomplish Mar 04 22:46:36 getListFile error comes up multiple times as I load Preware Mar 04 22:46:44 he's trying to accomplish avoiding mingw Mar 04 22:46:52 oilsworkn: I want to replace parts of payload.stderr with regexp matching Mar 04 22:46:59 EVF is a package I have to install, right? But luna doesn't come up and QI doesn't see my pre yet Mar 04 22:47:13 egaudet_work: lol you're saying I'm procrastinating? :p I don't have access to my toolchain at work Mar 04 22:47:13 for what, the ipkg log thing? Mar 04 22:47:15 luna doesn't come up? Mar 04 22:47:19 nope Mar 04 22:47:25 the palm logo doesn't flash yet Mar 04 22:47:34 but due to openSSH running I can putty/sftp into it Mar 04 22:47:51 excerpt from my /var/log/messages Mar 04 22:47:52 2010-01-06T00:38:34.377349Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/531350097) browserserver state changed from pre-start to spawned 2010-01-06T00:38:34.384918Z [233] palm-webos-device kern.info kernel: [ 233.530000] minicore_launch: CRASH! LunaSysMgr(12115) received 7. Waiting up to 60s for minicore to attach. 2010-01-06T00:38:34.419128Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/573098144) Active b Mar 04 22:48:00 2010-01-06T00:38:34.419128Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/573098144) Active browserserver main process (12127) Mar 04 22:48:00 oilsworkn: to get 'try ipkg update' to be something less ambiguious (ie: app menu -> update feeds) Mar 04 22:48:16 2010-01-06T00:38:34.419891Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/574013671) browserserver state changed from spawned to post-start 2010-01-06T00:38:34.420623Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/574776611) browserserver state changed from post-start to running Mar 04 22:48:20 and this is an infinite loop Mar 04 22:48:23 oilsworkn: and I can't change the error in the service because things use it other than preware Mar 04 22:48:33 ~pastebin Mar 04 22:48:34 lol Mar 04 22:48:35 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Mar 04 22:48:51 well if you want to change what ends up in the ipkg log scene Mar 04 22:49:18 you want to look at hte function starting on line 222 of models/IPKGService.js Mar 04 22:49:18 kanzlr: ps -ef |grep Luna Mar 04 22:49:52 that is where what comes down in the payload is converted to fancy html for the log scene Mar 04 22:49:58 kanzlr: since you can get in via ssh you can run the md5sum check manually Mar 04 22:50:07 firstly, how many patches do you have installed? Mar 04 22:50:41 approx 30 Mar 04 22:50:50 ok well let's use EFV then Mar 04 22:51:07 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication Mar 04 22:51:10 oilsworkn: got it. now it makes sense. I never realized it went to the log first. Mar 04 22:51:24 yeah, it throws it there for later display Mar 04 22:51:33 IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification.postinst Mar 04 22:51:34 egaudet_work: http://paste.debian.net/62484/ Mar 04 22:51:44 it just sends all payloads returned by the service through that function Mar 04 22:52:33 ipkg: unknown sub-command apps Mar 04 22:52:48 sorry Mar 04 22:52:50 oilsworkn: and why did you laugh at it before? I'm trying to fix something that causes unnecessary support issues :p Mar 04 22:52:53 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication Mar 04 22:52:57 typo before Mar 04 22:53:23 thanks for helping me, owe you a beer :) Mar 04 22:53:46 Cannot find package org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication. Mar 04 22:53:50 i laugh at every change made for the most dull knife in the drawer Mar 04 22:54:08 cat /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Mar 04 22:54:29 src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all Mar 04 22:54:33 src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7, Mar 04 22:54:36 src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7 Mar 04 22:54:42 ,? Mar 04 22:54:46 the , was a mistake, sorry Mar 04 22:54:47 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update Mar 04 22:54:53 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list | grep emergency Mar 04 22:55:32 oh duh another type by me sorry Mar 04 22:55:32 thats the one I need i guess? org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification - 2.0.0 - Emergency File Verification Mar 04 22:55:37 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification Mar 04 22:55:44 yea Mar 04 22:55:48 oilsworkn: the point is, I have no ability to fix _actual_ issues, or implement _actual_ features, but this way I can try to lessen the support load Mar 04 22:56:27 http://paste.debian.net/62485/ Mar 04 22:56:27 why dont ya? Mar 04 22:56:31 hi. i'm searching a terminal app for 1.4. when i launch terminal (0.2.3) luna crashes. is there another in preware? Mar 04 22:56:34 what now? :) Mar 04 22:56:49 sui: terminus Mar 04 22:56:52 oilsworkn: I'm not a programmer? :) Mar 04 22:57:03 but but Mar 04 22:57:09 IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification.postinst Mar 04 22:57:23 oilsworkn: this ones working? I'll try... Mar 04 22:57:46 ok, i guess this takes a few minutes? it does md5 the whole system, right? Mar 04 22:57:54 right Mar 04 22:58:42 zsoc_wirc: you need to tackle ticket #13! Mar 04 22:59:14 lol Mar 04 22:59:55 Hmm. The terminal app seems to crash my phone (or luna at least) when I try to launch it. Also, preware gets stuck while checking package manager version, but only when connected to my home wifi. works over data nework, or other wireless nets. Mar 04 23:00:00 any ideas? Mar 04 23:00:52 checking package manager version has nothing at all to do with internet connectivity Mar 04 23:00:58 btw, egaudet, at least I learn a lot of stuff for the next time I mess up my pre :) Mar 04 23:01:08 and we know terminal isnt working, terminus is an ok replacement in the meantime Mar 04 23:01:11 thanks for taking the time Mar 04 23:01:18 terminal is known to not work with 1.4. you can try using terminus instead though it doesn't really do screen updates right Mar 04 23:01:40 oilsworkn: I'm pretty sure patch creators don't care enough to figure out dependecies Mar 04 23:02:01 It's interesting you have gdb on LunaSysMgr Mar 04 23:02:03 not so says egaudet_work Mar 04 23:02:06 Anybody want to change the channel topic to include terminal not working? Mar 04 23:02:08 you really got something broken :P Mar 04 23:02:17 ooook, look: Mar 04 23:02:18 File: /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Mar 04 23:02:20 lol Mar 04 23:02:20 oilsworkn: then how come preware locks up there ONLY when I'm connected to my particular wireless network? Mar 04 23:02:25 this does sound interesting Mar 04 23:02:32 i could see it failing at another point do to network Mar 04 23:02:33 zsoc_wirc: what does that comment even mean? Mar 04 23:02:35 but not at that point Mar 04 23:02:39 "to figure out dependencies" Mar 04 23:02:44 just tested. terminus works. nice to have a shell :) Mar 04 23:02:45 oilsworkn: but if I connect to some other network, it works fine... ? Mar 04 23:02:51 you may be misunderstanding the ticket Mar 04 23:02:59 egaudet_work: i told him to handle ticket #13 Mar 04 23:03:01 there are a lot of files changed, but most are ok with me (messaging plugins mostly) Mar 04 23:03:03 egaudet_work: definitely then Mar 04 23:03:09 i'm too lazy to go to trac Mar 04 23:03:11 what is 13 Mar 04 23:03:15 your ticket Mar 04 23:03:16 the update all dependencies one? Mar 04 23:03:25 the delete delete delete install install install one Mar 04 23:03:30 yeah that has nothing to do with patch creating zsoc_wirc Mar 04 23:03:45 it's about dependencies on packages that need to "replace" Mar 04 23:03:55 which are only patches Mar 04 23:04:00 (for now) Mar 04 23:04:05 for ever Mar 04 23:04:07 lol Mar 04 23:04:19 oh I get it slowly, as usual Mar 04 23:04:19 anyways thanks for confirming the terminal :) makes me think the preware thing is an odd coincidence. before, i thought perhaps something was really wrong Mar 04 23:05:00 A -> B then update = rA rB iB iA Mar 04 23:05:28 kanzlr: is it still going Mar 04 23:05:40 patches depending on patches is going to be a stickey situation Mar 04 23:05:52 +egaudet_work it is finished Mar 04 23:05:59 it shows that /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so was changed Mar 04 23:06:00 especially when quick install doesn't support deps Mar 04 23:06:03 the rest of the changed files looks harmless Mar 04 23:06:04 so libWebkit the only odd one? Mar 04 23:06:09 do you have iphone spoof installed? Mar 04 23:06:19 and an ls -al /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so shows it was changed today Mar 04 23:06:29 * oilsworkn bets he does Mar 04 23:06:38 oilsworkn: it's not a sticky situation Mar 04 23:06:50 now that oyu mention it, i unchecked iphone spoof when i checked the adblock patch in tweaks Mar 04 23:07:02 can you send me the libWebKitLuna.so from your device per email or something like that? Mar 04 23:07:03 it's just an annoying situation because the code is already there Mar 04 23:07:15 kanzlr: get it from the doctor image Mar 04 23:07:24 well its not already there Mar 04 23:07:29 if it was, it would be easy Mar 04 23:07:34 oilsworkn: I mean the code to do it the other way is already there Mar 04 23:07:44 if it was starting from scratch it would be no problemo Mar 04 23:07:46 now it Mar 04 23:07:47 but the entire multi-install process will need to be re-done to handle it Mar 04 23:07:55 now it's just annoying to have to re-write/re-work it Mar 04 23:07:58 ah, just found it. my webos image unrar had an error Mar 04 23:08:45 and the multi-install stuff was a pain to write hte first time Mar 04 23:08:46 lol Mar 04 23:08:50 oilsworkn: you know we could make it easy Mar 04 23:09:01 just get rid of hte update all button, i know Mar 04 23:09:02 the "right way" is only in theory, not in practice Mar 04 23:09:02 :) Mar 04 23:09:29 you could always use --force-depends :P Mar 04 23:09:41 wuhuw, the palm logo starts pulsing again! :) Mar 04 23:09:50 oilsworkn: update all is not the issue Mar 04 23:09:52 it's update period Mar 04 23:09:57 you can't update either A nor B Mar 04 23:10:09 i copied what you told me (how to install EVF from terminal) for future reference, thanks a lot!!!! Mar 04 23:10:11 ok well I guess that is a lie Mar 04 23:10:12 btw has anyone else noticed the optware packages can't be used by non-root users because they install under /media/cryptofs/apps which is inaccessible to non-root users (presumably because of fusermount options)? Mar 04 23:10:24 so yeah you could just re-order the update from BA to AB Mar 04 23:10:41 it's not -right- but it should work right Mar 04 23:11:06 if the depended upon package is done second? Mar 04 23:11:21 epv: the entire system is owned by root so Mar 04 23:11:38 I don't have a user setup I just use ssh key Mar 04 23:11:57 * oilsworkn still has to hit flebay to find himself a dev device Mar 04 23:12:08 oilsworkn: yeah dependent done 2nd Mar 04 23:12:18 well no I guess nevermind Mar 04 23:12:23 lol Mar 04 23:12:26 owned by is fine, but fuse mounts are special because they ignore file perms and deny anyone except the one owner.. there's a fuse option to change that but i have nfi how to get /usr/bin/mountcfs to apply it Mar 04 23:12:32 o wells Mar 04 23:12:35 you never "update" the dependent package ever unless the depending package is removed Mar 04 23:12:45 the entire "multi-action" stuff just needs to be rewritten Mar 04 23:12:56 instead of being simply passed a list of packages and what to do to them Mar 04 23:13:02 so just change update all to take the list of "package that nee dto update" and save the ones that depend on another, and then remove them first Mar 04 23:13:06 it needs to be pased a list of packages, and what to do to each package independently Mar 04 23:13:09 egaudet, emoney_33@yahoo.com is you? Mar 04 23:13:14 kanzlr: yeah Mar 04 23:13:17 this package, remove, this package, remove, this package, intstall, etc Mar 04 23:13:21 donated you a few beers Mar 04 23:13:23 thanks so much! Mar 04 23:13:29 btw, how to private message on IRC? :) Mar 04 23:13:32 lol Mar 04 23:13:37 i just copied /opt/bin/* to /usr/local/bin, copied some libs from /opt/lib, etc. Gross, but whateve.r Mar 04 23:13:38 haven't used IRC for...10 years? :) Mar 04 23:13:39 /query name message Mar 04 23:13:43 thanks for the cold one :) Mar 04 23:13:46 Double click the name? Mar 04 23:13:55 am I to assume it is fixed kanzlr ? Mar 04 23:14:12 so it was a corrupted libWebkit from iphone spoof or from corrupted doctor extract? Mar 04 23:14:24 from iPhone spoof i guess Mar 04 23:14:30 the QI guys should put up a warning Mar 04 23:14:31 :) Mar 04 23:14:45 s/guys/guy/ Mar 04 23:14:47 It's the first I've heard of this so, I'll keep it in mind Mar 04 23:15:10 it did that on 1.3.5.2 GSM also, just didn't realize this was the problem Mar 04 23:15:16 so thanks a lot and good night! Mar 04 23:15:20 enjoy your beer ;) Mar 04 23:15:32 I will, thanks Mar 04 23:15:40 lol Mar 04 23:15:40 Budweiser? Mar 04 23:15:55 whatever you fance :) Mar 04 23:15:59 fancy :) Mar 04 23:16:22 ciao! Mar 04 23:16:45 take it easy, happy hacking Mar 04 23:17:05 learned a lot :) Mar 04 23:17:06 ciao! Mar 04 23:17:15 ciao? Mar 04 23:17:18 ciao Mar 04 23:17:22 chow Mar 04 23:17:25 ciao Mar 04 23:17:29 ~ciao Mar 04 23:17:30 from memory, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual) Mar 04 23:17:35 ah Mar 04 23:17:50 pronounced chow Mar 04 23:17:53 nice of infobot to say what it means, but not the language? Mar 04 23:17:59 infobot is a slacker Mar 04 23:18:03 ~botslap Mar 04 23:18:04 * infobot whimpers Mar 04 23:18:12 lol Mar 04 23:18:30 * oilsworkn is not looking forward to when infobot changes its name to skynet Mar 04 23:18:42 ~botsnack Mar 04 23:18:42 aw, gee, oilsworkn Mar 04 23:18:45 remember that infobot! Mar 04 23:18:58 remember that when you take over the world Mar 04 23:19:09 yea remember who makes you strong and remember who babies you into the little coward that you are! Mar 04 23:19:18 lol Mar 04 23:19:28 you're the first to get vaporized for sure Mar 04 23:20:01 then itl drink all your beer Mar 04 23:20:26 and make sweet love to zsoc's mom Mar 04 23:20:31 epv: make sure you don't fill up /usr, and remember that your optware apps will now be removed by a webos Doctor. this is yet another reason why we changed openssh setup to just use root. Mar 04 23:21:00 ... Mar 04 23:21:09 lol Mar 04 23:21:21 yeah rwhitby, it's not a big deal, it was just briefly confusing. thanks. Mar 04 23:21:36 So, egaudet_work, binary patches using bsdiff - how do we shoehorn that into AUPT ? Mar 04 23:21:55 i made a shell script to do the copies in the event it needs to be redone. Mar 04 23:22:16 egaudet_work: cause 42% is too successful for AUPT, so we gotta make it do more stuff now .... Mar 04 23:22:35 lol Mar 04 23:22:38 bspatch and themes sound like a good success rate killer :D Mar 04 23:22:54 it never made it above 50%? Mar 04 23:23:04 oilsworkn: it did for a while Mar 04 23:23:06 my first question is can 2 bspatches be applied to the same binary in serial Mar 04 23:23:16 egaudet_work: yeah, good question - zsoc_wirc ? Mar 04 23:23:22 did you think about re-doing the poll so all the idiots can vote correctly? Mar 04 23:23:23 sounds scary Mar 04 23:23:35 epv: scary is what we do Mar 04 23:23:37 oilsworkn: no, idiots don't count :P Mar 04 23:23:47 well i know i voted yes Mar 04 23:23:49 so, 100%? Mar 04 23:23:57 nice Mar 04 23:24:06 lol Mar 04 23:24:07 lol Mar 04 23:24:08 I didn't vote, cause I didn't have any patches loaded when 1.4 hit Mar 04 23:24:19 a well time profile reset fixed that for me Mar 04 23:24:40 egaudet_work: and no, you can't with bs patch Mar 04 23:24:55 i know there was quite a few "change my vote to yes, im an idiot" posts Mar 04 23:25:06 egaudet_work: ok, so we're going to need to use Conflicts: for any patches which bspatch the same file Mar 04 23:25:07 so bspatch's useful only because you don't have to distribute the (copyrighted) binary Mar 04 23:25:19 rwhitby: naw this one's easy Mar 04 23:25:33 if file isn't md5sum stock bspatch isn't touching it Mar 04 23:25:38 preware doesn't support conflicts Mar 04 23:25:48 egaudet_work: ok, the change user agent patch can be our pipe cleaner Mar 04 23:26:13 bspatch and themes can pretty much be combined into the same general sense Mar 04 23:26:18 it's file replacement Mar 04 23:26:30 just Mar 04 23:26:31 one distrubutes the entire file the other just a binary diff, but in the end it's the same thing Mar 04 23:26:36 just let themes fade off into the distance Mar 04 23:27:02 that's never going to happen, someone is going to make something that steps all over AUPT Mar 04 23:27:11 AUTT! Mar 04 23:27:16 lol Mar 04 23:27:21 AUDIT Mar 04 23:27:28 AutoUpdate Dumb Idiot Themes Mar 04 23:27:29 pie? Mar 04 23:27:33 lol Mar 04 23:27:38 * halfhalo just wants to feel included Mar 04 23:27:46 patch is execellent Mar 04 23:27:59 it worked great for me Mar 04 23:29:17 alright I gotta head home, bbl Mar 04 23:30:00 * Mousey makes a 128MB swap file, runs it, fs&g Mar 04 23:43:45 egaudet, we could ship multiple versions of the bspatchfile in each ipk and pick one to install based on md5 of the target file Mar 04 23:44:09 assuming that ever comes up Mar 04 23:45:40 Has anybody else noticed some weird clock behavior when unlocking their phone? Mar 04 23:46:10 Like, it'll say 2:00, but then as you swipe up it jumps back to 1:59. Mar 04 23:46:59 zsoc|food: that would get exponentially large quite quickly Mar 04 23:53:21 "AUDIT" lol Mar 04 23:53:57 idontwan2know: yes Mar 04 23:54:20 even without swiping Mar 04 23:55:29 do any of the brilliant minds responsible for preware want to help me figure out why my latest version of drPodder (0.5.3) isn't showing up for some people in preware? Mar 04 23:56:21 * oilsworkn opens preware and has a look Mar 04 23:56:40 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/prepod it's there at 0.5.3 Mar 04 23:56:46 drnull I too had that problem... I think the Preware feed is lagging behind Mar 04 23:56:50 but http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-74.html#post2283146 some people don't see it while http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-75.html#post2283210 others do... Mar 04 23:57:01 idontwan2know: better than my phone being 5mins ahead Mar 04 23:57:06 i see 053 Mar 04 23:57:24 what on earth. Mar 04 23:57:29 I just doctored my phone today... And I was having trouble seeing 0.5.3... The version I saw on Preware is 0.5.1... Mar 04 23:57:46 well, step 1 is to make sure they've updated their feeds Mar 04 23:57:51 depending on their settings, it may be only manual Mar 04 23:57:59 or once every 24 hours, or every load Mar 04 23:58:09 then you look http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ Mar 04 23:58:23 to see if the autobuilder has ran and updated its packages file Mar 04 23:58:30 I looked there and it looks updated Mar 04 23:58:42 yeah, it does Mar 04 23:58:47 i bet they just need to manually update feeds Mar 04 23:59:12 k, I'll try suggesting that. Mar 05 00:01:21 oilsworkn: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-75.html#post2283230 any idea? Mar 05 00:01:35 Hey Dr. Null, have you submitted Dr. Podder to the app catalog yet? Mar 05 00:02:24 drnull_: if its unknown Mar 05 00:02:37 its because he still has 048 or whatever the last with the old appid was installed Mar 05 00:02:40 and is trying to update it Mar 05 00:02:42 which can't be done Mar 05 00:02:45 he has to look for a new app Mar 05 00:03:04 or he has the precentral feed disabled Mar 05 00:03:33 Mitalis: I will soon, working on some webos 1.3.5 issues tonight with somebody Mar 05 00:03:48 OH, so to see the update they have to actually remove 0.4.8? Mar 05 00:03:55 no Mar 05 00:03:58 Or just search for drpodder under everything Mar 05 00:04:03 but searching for drpodder in the list of everything will show two Mar 05 00:04:09 yeah Mar 05 00:04:10 excellent, I see that now. Mar 05 00:04:12 Thanks Mar 05 00:04:17 np Mar 05 00:04:22 cause the old appid isn't in the feed anymore Mar 05 00:04:26 so it only has limited information Mar 05 00:04:51 egaudet: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/13#comment:2 Mar 05 00:04:55 makes sense. Guess I kinda broke things by changing the appid. *sigh* Mar 05 00:05:20 oilsworkn: you're oil, right? (just making sure -sworkn was your status) Mar 05 00:06:11 yeah Mar 05 00:07:56 yeah, i dont think changing appids will ever be easy Mar 05 00:08:12 though i guess you could have just left hte homebrew version .drnull.prepod Mar 05 00:08:17 and done drnull.drpodder for the catalog Mar 05 00:08:21 they would have been different Mar 05 00:08:25 without mixing it up for homebrewers Mar 05 00:10:26 oilsworkn: aye, in retrospect... *sigh* :) Mar 05 00:10:46 yeah, dont change it back now, i've already copy/pasted my feeds to the new appid xD Mar 05 00:10:46 Although, I wanted to get it out of the com.palm domain, so that meant a rename anyway. Mar 05 00:10:49 haha Mar 05 00:10:56 yeah Mar 05 00:11:05 if you stuff isn't private bus anymore, no need to have it like that Mar 05 00:14:47 drnull_: tell me the one ticket in your trac is going to be optional Mar 05 00:14:52 :) Mar 05 00:15:31 while dashboard controls for music apps are cool Mar 05 00:16:07 but on the default app, and pandora, and others, the thing seems to only get in my way Mar 05 00:16:28 Yes, optional. :) Mar 05 00:16:46 like it takes a second or so to realize it needs to show it Mar 05 00:16:54 while it locks up the phone to toss the dashboard Mar 05 00:17:14 The notifications that aren't optional are the background updates. Because if I don't have a notification up, webos has a tendancy to kill my long processes. Mar 05 00:17:42 yeah, those notifications dont get in my way Mar 05 00:17:47 Totally understand. I can't stand that functionality when music player and pandora and sprint navigator (it's the worst) pop up the notification. Mar 05 00:17:52 its spawning of the dashboard icon that does it Mar 05 00:18:06 thats always there unless you swipe it away or something Mar 05 00:18:46 Yeah, swiping away a background update notification would . . . not be good. :) Mar 05 00:19:09 even preware throws a little notification Mar 05 00:19:28 but only if it notices its not visible when its done updating/loading package lists Mar 05 00:19:36 so if you start it, then move to email or something Mar 05 00:19:39 itl let ya know when its done Mar 05 00:20:13 right, that's just a banner. I think those are cheap Mar 05 00:20:22 notifications are full-fledged cards. Mar 05 00:20:32 yeah, a dashboard Mar 05 00:21:41 * rwhitby is very glad that attracting drnull_ to git.webos-internals.org has enabled this collaboration with oil to occur :-) Mar 05 00:22:22 rwhitby: you'll probably also be glad to hear I've gone GPL... Mar 05 00:22:52 lol Mar 05 00:23:23 * oilsworkn was even going to push some code to drpodder, but after explaining it to drnull_ he just fixed it up Mar 05 00:23:32 rwhitby: how do you clone from behind a firewall? Mar 05 00:24:02 oilsworkn: sometimes that's easier. :) Mar 05 00:24:15 yeah Mar 05 00:24:39 i've only lightly browsed your code once long ago when it was on that other git site Mar 05 00:25:41 ... and then you ran screaming from the room while clawing out your eyes Mar 05 00:25:49 no, not at all Mar 05 00:25:50 lol Mar 05 00:25:51 xcomp: you can get a tarball via http Mar 05 00:26:23 rwhitby: but then how do you push changes back Mar 05 00:26:46 xcomp: get outside the firewall :-) Mar 05 00:27:11 rwhitby: aw man. there's got to be an ssh solution Mar 05 00:27:24 otherwise I can't dally with wosi stuff at work :) Mar 05 00:27:56 welcome to my world. Mar 05 00:28:27 xcomp: sure, ssh tunnelling over https will work Mar 05 00:28:36 or even ssh over DNS requests Mar 05 00:28:59 hmm...there's a novel thought Mar 05 00:29:02 just open an ssh tunnel Mar 05 00:29:19 xcomp: if you could open an ssh tunnel than you could just use ssh directly Mar 05 00:29:36 xcomp: since it's ssh you need to reach to use git@ Mar 05 00:30:12 xcomp: now, tunneling ssh OVER http through your corporate http proxy sounds like what you need Mar 05 00:30:31 err through CONNECT requests via an SSL-enabled http-type proxy that is Mar 05 00:30:39 destinal: actually, not necessary -- we have an ssh proxy Mar 05 00:30:56 xcomp: ok, well your git clone git@ whatever is just ssh Mar 05 00:30:56 most people don't know about it, but I do ... heh Mar 05 00:31:15 i've tried ... it doesn't work Mar 05 00:31:17 access denied Mar 05 00:31:20 * mjkjr is getting really tired of pulling out his phone and seeing that luna has crashed ? Mar 05 00:31:33 mjkjr: that's a question? Mar 05 00:31:39 it says Permission Denied (publickey) Mar 05 00:32:23 xcomp: how would your SSH proxy even work to use your public key? some kind of agent forwarding? Mar 05 00:32:41 magic Mar 05 00:33:24 xcomp: on the other hand, you should be able to set up an ssh tunnel via a system you control and do ssh over ssh (yo dawg) Mar 05 00:33:37 destinal, kind of, assuming that's what's happening Mar 05 00:33:53 lol Mar 05 00:34:11 destinal: i don't know, but it works :) I use my key to ssh to my machines all the time Mar 05 00:34:28 hmmm... luna crashed, phone unresponsive but mjkjr|wirc is still in the channel Mar 05 00:34:45 wircd isn't some punk Mar 05 00:34:51 he goes down fighting Mar 05 00:35:11 * mjkjr is debating wether or not to throw this thing across the room or not Mar 05 00:35:15 xcomp: is this a repository you have commit access to? Mar 05 00:36:01 then, i can't connect back to wirc unless i do a full device restart, grrrr, lol Mar 05 00:36:04 hello? Mar 05 00:37:03 herro! Mar 05 00:39:27 hello? Mar 05 00:39:37 Herro there! Mar 05 00:39:49 Hans Brix! Mar 05 00:39:55 * mjkjr is positive that these issues aren't a 1D10T error Mar 05 00:40:14 hi. I have a preware question....am I in the right place? Mar 05 00:40:17 * halfhalo is no to sure about mjkjr Mar 05 00:40:24 s/no/not Mar 05 00:40:31 and KiraS, yes you are Mar 05 00:40:39 ~lart halfhalo Mar 05 00:40:40 * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at halfhalo Mar 05 00:41:12 * halfhalo shoots infobot in the face with a large caliber handgun Mar 05 00:41:12 KiraS: What is preware? Mar 05 00:41:17 crashing like crazy on a dr'd 1.4 Mar 05 00:41:20 gg palm D; Mar 05 00:41:23 awesome. I can't update or uninstall patches after updating OS. Any ideas? Mar 05 00:41:46 EPR, EPV, EMH Mar 05 00:41:52 going from what version to what version? Mar 05 00:42:29 destinal: it's for webos-internals.org Mar 05 00:42:33 something to hmmmm....1.4? It just came out last nite Mar 05 00:42:44 1.3.5.1 Mar 05 00:42:50 and youve updated Feeds in preware? Mar 05 00:43:18 xcomp: well, depending on what repository I try cloning that way, I'll get that same public key permission denied. some work fine because I have commit access, others I don't. which directory? Mar 05 00:43:59 something to hmmmm....1.4? It just came out last nite I had to disable some Mar 05 00:44:21 xcomp: ssh -v will reveal all Mar 05 00:45:21 bahaha ... success Mar 05 00:45:35 doesn't it update when I open preware? All my patches have an x on them Mar 05 00:45:39 i found a trick on the web using socat Mar 05 00:47:41 new facebook app is slick Mar 05 00:48:07 yeah I was a little harsh on it yesterday. they did a decent job Mar 05 00:48:16 I still think they could've done a lot better with the events scene Mar 05 00:48:25 did 1.4 update luna to take advantage of hardware graphics acceleration? the screen transforms seem waaaaaay more responsive Mar 05 00:48:32 I honestly am just pissed about no background notifications Mar 05 00:48:39 and that increase in responsiveness is also complimented by additional eye candy Mar 05 00:48:39 Thats the ONLY reason I have friendsflow Mar 05 00:48:46 fade-in/fade-out etc Mar 05 00:48:59 i hated friendsflow the first time I used it Mar 05 00:49:11 I STILL hate it Mar 05 00:49:15 but I use it Mar 05 00:49:19 and Twee Mar 05 00:49:21 i don't care about notifications - when i want to look at facebook i load the app Mar 05 00:49:35 when the guy announced he was charging for it i was like -- you're going to charge people money for this turd? Mar 05 00:49:55 halfhalo, you use friendsflow over the palm app? ewwww, lol Mar 05 00:50:09 i used friendsflow until the palm facebook update yesterday - friendsflow was not optimal but it was fast and responsive Mar 05 00:50:24 fuman2? Still there? Mar 05 00:50:32 still want background notifications in the palm app Mar 05 00:50:34 friendsbook was a far better alternative, even though that did suck in its own way Mar 05 00:50:38 then I would be all over it Mar 05 00:50:58 halfhalo - just send your facebook notifications to a secondary email account Mar 05 00:51:04 and enable email notifications for that account Mar 05 00:51:06 i don't care for notifications either -- what I really want is chat and ability to respond to requests Mar 05 00:51:10 it would accomplish the same thing Mar 05 00:51:17 I... already have to many email notifications Mar 05 00:51:29 and email accounts for that matter Mar 05 00:51:57 i've kept email notifications disabled since day one Mar 05 00:52:00 So, who's alpha testing Preware 0.9.30 ? Mar 05 00:52:03 this stuff should be basic Mar 05 00:52:06 the only notifications i care about are missed calls and sms Mar 05 00:52:09 integrate facebook chat into messaging Mar 05 00:52:16 everybody wants it. get it done Mar 05 00:52:30 I heard alpha testing.... Mar 05 00:52:32 and they wonder why people hesitate to buy their phones Mar 05 00:52:32 O_o Mar 05 00:53:00 anyone know why my patches won't update or uninstall and have an x on them? Mar 05 00:55:19 does the new facebook app still stick all your facebook friends into your contacts list? that was horrible Mar 05 00:55:47 epv: that's not the facebook app Mar 05 00:55:47 that's not a function of the facebook app Mar 05 00:55:51 that's synergy Mar 05 00:56:02 if you don't want your facebook friends in your contacts, then don't add your facebook account to contacts Mar 05 00:56:18 i stopped caring about my contacts getting polluted Mar 05 00:56:23 i just use universal search now Mar 05 00:56:30 i'm lazy Mar 05 00:56:37 rwhitby, would I be wrong to assume there will be an update soon to fix this issue? https://pastee.org/qsbaa Mar 05 00:56:39 lol Mar 05 00:56:40 same Mar 05 00:56:45 i'm actually surprised people use the contacts app for anything other than adding new contacts Mar 05 00:56:55 xcomp - yah Mar 05 00:57:10 i've always used universal search from day one Mar 05 00:57:32 mjkjr: one would hope that Palm will do a 1.4.1 to fix that soon, yes. Mar 05 00:57:37 hmm Mar 05 00:57:54 facebook synergy is awesome because it automatically puts a picture on everybody's contact entry Mar 05 00:58:05 facebook synergy is crap Mar 05 00:58:10 because it doesnt allow you to use facebook lists Mar 05 00:58:18 so you end up with entirely too many contacts Mar 05 00:58:23 and, at least in my experience Mar 05 00:58:27 FuMan2: that's because synergy doesn't support contact groups Mar 05 00:58:34 it doesnt pull a picture on every contact, just the ones it feels like Mar 05 00:58:37 yah i guess normal people probably like it.. i pretty much only want phone contacts in there Mar 05 00:58:39 xcomp, and that, is lame Mar 05 00:58:56 and i cant believe 1.4 didnt add an damned default contact number Mar 05 00:59:13 so tired of e-mail popping up in sms first, home phone in Universal, blah blah Mar 05 00:59:13 fuman, any ideas on my patch problem? Mar 05 00:59:19 FuMan2: it always pulls pictures for me ... if it didn't pull a picture, it means that it didn't link because they spelled their name weirdly in facebook Mar 05 00:59:21 tmzt, ping Mar 05 00:59:28 rwhitby: some people want to blame it on preware or patches, but i'm sure 1.4 is the real culprit =) Mar 05 00:59:29 and i have to manually link them Mar 05 00:59:50 mjkjr: the luna crashes happen even if you don't have preware or any patches installed Mar 05 00:59:53 heh Mar 05 00:59:55 and like I said, I don't care about the number of contacts it pulls because I never, ever need to scroll through contact lists Mar 05 01:00:15 yeah Mar 05 01:00:19 but when your list gets so big Mar 05 01:00:19 my thing is I dial by typing the person's initials, usually Mar 05 01:00:21 mjkjr: preware is an easy target Mar 05 01:00:23 takes more types Mar 05 01:00:30 ive got several facebook randos Mar 05 01:00:32 I guess I'm lucky since luna does not crash for me Mar 05 01:00:35 epv, yeah i know that which proves it's 1.4 Mar 05 01:00:42 that c-block me when im trying to type initials in universal search Mar 05 01:00:48 mjkjr: but it's also like a drug, people won't remove it no matter how much luna crashes :-) Mar 05 01:00:51 yeah, that's your fault for not keeping your fb friend list under control :) Mar 05 01:01:02 xcomp, touche. Mar 05 01:01:05 http://webos.pastebin.com/Me4ZF3bs <-- can someone suggest a way to fix my issue here without restarting? (restarting fixes this) Mar 05 01:01:15 i have a strict no randos policy :) Mar 05 01:01:25 meh Mar 05 01:01:26 as do I Mar 05 01:01:28 but over time Mar 05 01:01:36 FuMan2? Mar 05 01:01:37 someone who wasnt rando in your poly sci class Mar 05 01:01:39 is now rando Mar 05 01:01:44 grrr i'm going insane with the volume indicator popping up ALL THE TIME Mar 05 01:01:50 zsoc: is that on umount? Mar 05 01:01:52 KiraS, talk to the way smarter people here Mar 05 01:01:54 and having to sit around for 5 seconds waiting for it to go away before i can do anything Mar 05 01:01:58 azakus, nope, _while_ was using novacom Mar 05 01:02:02 true Mar 05 01:02:09 i imagine rwhitby can add far better than I can Mar 05 01:02:17 epv, happening to a buddy of mine in class today Mar 05 01:02:18 he was raging. Mar 05 01:02:20 zsoc: weird, cause that's a filesystem thing Mar 05 01:02:27 azakus, but if it works after reboot, the problem has to be something i can restart... a driver i can reload.. or a module i can reprobe Mar 05 01:02:36 that's trying to write to usbdrive Mar 05 01:02:55 well, that's the error I get when sync'ing new music Mar 05 01:03:32 what is khubd? my usb host? Mar 05 01:03:59 I've neve had to reboot Mar 05 01:04:10 I just unplugged and replugged Mar 05 01:04:40 rwhitby: it is very addicting. I wish the fix was as simple as removing preware, the luna crashes are getting ridiculous Mar 05 01:05:41 FuMan2 no one responded but you.... Mar 05 01:06:16 :- Mar 05 01:06:37 Grah, living without any patches or preware apps for a few days is going to suck. Mar 05 01:06:53 won't let me make a sad face. I guee this irc doesn't like sad people Mar 05 01:07:59 very random luna crashes, 4 times today. But i can't replicate it if i want to. :-( Mar 05 01:08:31 I'm thinking about going back to 1.3.5 Mar 05 01:08:52 at least for daily / prod use Mar 05 01:09:22 having lots of stability issues and when you're on-call stability is kind of important Mar 05 01:09:29 yeah I'm torn, i do like a lot of the updates 1.4 brought but i depend on my phone to stay ON Mar 05 01:09:50 rwhitby: what's the timeline for converting cross-compile to webos 1.4 packages? Mar 05 01:09:58 destinal: I agree. Mar 05 01:10:32 i guess I should be thankful for a stable 1.4 phone Mar 05 01:10:59 i haven't had the problems people are reporting Mar 05 01:11:12 no random luna crashes, no notification issues Mar 05 01:11:14 xcomp: as soon as they are on opensource.palm.com I guess Mar 05 01:11:27 rwhitby: oh they haven't published them yet Mar 05 01:11:27 xcomp: oh, you mean the binary libraries? Mar 05 01:11:47 well i meant both, but yeah I wouldn't do it until the gpl stuff is published Mar 05 01:11:48 My pre just ran out of memory Mar 05 01:12:00 my pre runs out of memory all the time Mar 05 01:12:08 Had to reboot Mar 05 01:13:18 xcomp: we can't do it until the gpl stuff is published, lest we violate GPL in the process Mar 05 01:13:36 rwhitby: it wouldn't be technically sensible either Mar 05 01:14:00 but yeah, we should do it as soon as it makes sense Mar 05 01:14:08 * mjkjr wonders if palm is aware of the luna issue and wonders how long he should tolerate it before turning this device into a paper weight Mar 05 01:15:08 I'm sure they're aware of it Mar 05 01:15:15 every crash sends a log to palm Mar 05 01:15:19 raster: pants Mar 05 01:15:19 mjkjr this is the issue, right? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5527&hilit=core Mar 05 01:15:19 ywp Mar 05 01:15:23 and I know EXACTLY where it is Mar 05 01:15:28 xcomp: panties! Mar 05 01:15:48 raster: noooo... no panties today Mar 05 01:15:48 why can't i make luna crash when i try to replicate it myself Mar 05 01:15:48 someone say panties? Mar 05 01:16:06 mjkjr: it has to do with cache cleaning in webkit Mar 05 01:16:18 the destructor for a cache entry screws up Mar 05 01:16:41 xcomp: hehehehe Mar 05 01:16:50 is there still a terminal preware installer bootstrap? Mar 05 01:16:54 does anyone know if you have to turn in your "broken phone" when you get the 100$ replacement? Mar 05 01:17:22 drnull_: yes that's the one Mar 05 01:17:35 no Mar 05 01:17:36 you dont Mar 05 01:17:41 if you file it lost/stolen Mar 05 01:17:47 you just pay the 100 for the new one Mar 05 01:17:51 but they normally ban the ESN Mar 05 01:17:58 mjkjr so I guess if Palm monitors the bug report forum (debatable) then they know about it. Mar 05 01:18:22 I say debatable just because there are a ton of bug reports that fly through there, it'd be tough to catch them all. Mar 05 01:18:25 now i'm constantly waking my device just to make sure it hasn't crashed which could possibly cause it to crash, lol Mar 05 01:18:57 i posted something on their forums once Mar 05 01:19:03 didn't get a response till i sent an email Mar 05 01:19:13 azakus, you figure that out yourself? Mar 05 01:19:50 PuffTheMagic_, yes you do Mar 05 01:19:59 PuffTheMagic_, or they charge $200 to your bill Mar 05 01:19:59 grr Mar 05 01:20:20 PuffTheMagic_, if you file it lost or stolen, and it isn't, that is a federal crime Mar 05 01:20:41 hrm Mar 05 01:20:46 never seen that 200 charge Mar 05 01:20:54 * mjkjr starts typing his email to palm Mar 05 01:21:05 zsoc: what if i jsut say its broke Mar 05 01:21:35 PuffTheMagic_, the replacement unit they send you have an envelope for the unit (or the pieces of the unit) that is being replaced, you need to send it back within 14 days Mar 05 01:21:43 mjkjr: I wouldn't waste my time on that. Mar 05 01:22:02 PuffTheMagic_, you know anything about usb hosts? I'm about to restart because when mine crashes, a restart is the only thing I can figure to fix it Mar 05 01:22:04 destinal-home: destinal ping Mar 05 01:22:12 zsoc: what if i say all that is left is the usb door? Mar 05 01:22:17 haha Mar 05 01:22:23 :D Mar 05 01:22:24 PuffTheMagic_, again, insurance fraud Mar 05 01:23:42 jacques: hey Mar 05 01:23:50 * mjkjr is buying "another" device tomorrow to temorarily use until his webOS phone is dependable. Mar 05 01:24:08 mjkjr: just go 1.3.5 Mar 05 01:24:13 PuffTheMagic_, any restarting udev doesn't fix it either :p Mar 05 01:24:26 destinal: Even 1.3.5... Mar 05 01:24:34 i was gonna say Mar 05 01:24:35 Not_that_great. Mar 05 01:24:37 see you in 2011 Mar 05 01:24:41 mjkjr: I've found that tweeting works well too. @lemketron responds well... and @webosdev does too. Mar 05 01:24:43 mjkjr: yeah, It's buried pretty deep Mar 05 01:25:26 it's in /var/log/palm/r"something" Mar 05 01:25:47 the creash logs show it's in the webkit ~CacheResource Mar 05 01:25:56 destinal, that's not my ideal solution Mar 05 01:27:08 * mjkjr is logging into twitter now, his cries will be heard!!!! Mar 05 01:28:27 mjkjr: What "other" device were you thinking? Mar 05 01:29:35 * mjkjr pleads the 5th Mar 05 01:29:50 No.... Mar 05 01:29:54 Please no. Mar 05 01:30:39 don't worry, i'd never stoop that low. Mar 05 01:30:46 Phew. Mar 05 01:31:08 I'm waiting for the Supersonic. Mar 05 01:31:14 C40 will be just another dud. Mar 05 01:31:18 I always though my phone was an iphone killer and still could be if it would stay on Mar 05 01:31:30 Eguy, troll somewhere else please Mar 05 01:31:43 zsoc: Bad day? Mar 05 01:32:46 Eguy, i don't see why you find it necessary to come in here to state how unstable your Pre is/was and how every future palm device will fair poorly. Mar 05 01:33:18 zsoc: I'm not the only one. Mar 05 01:33:23 Smell the coffee. Mar 05 01:33:45 * mjkjr thinks you guys are silly Mar 05 01:33:56 #webos is the right channel to do that in Mar 05 01:34:31 Eguy, this isn't a democracy, I'm allowed to single you out. Mar 05 01:34:52 brb Mar 05 01:34:53 Ask me if I care? Mar 05 01:34:58 * mjkjr cowers from zsoc in the corner Mar 05 01:35:06 singling out eguy is an established tradition Mar 05 01:35:13 Exactly. Mar 05 01:35:14 -> #webos-watercooler - I'll provide the popcorn ... Mar 05 01:35:24 lol Mar 05 01:35:30 Real original. Mar 05 01:35:31 lol Mar 05 01:35:35 He needs to grow a pair. Mar 05 01:35:51 isn't this logged? lol Mar 05 01:35:53 rwhitby: But you aren't there! Mar 05 01:35:56 rwhitby: is it buttered popcorn? Mar 05 01:36:10 mjkjr: yep, google is all over this stuff Mar 05 01:36:15 mjkjr: Logged twice Mar 05 01:36:25 ~logs Mar 05 01:36:26 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily Mar 05 01:36:36 zsoc: even if webos isn't the future I'm still happy with having a solid linux box. any current issues are software related. Mar 05 01:36:52 destinal: yeah, compare that to OpenMoko :-) Mar 05 01:36:56 destinal: He isn't here right now. Mar 05 01:37:17 ~botsnack Mar 05 01:37:18 aw, gee, mjkjr Mar 05 01:37:23 Eguy: probably should have replied it to you instead. that's what I get for multitasking Mar 05 01:37:37 Hehe. Mar 05 01:37:56 I'm not sure solid is the word I would use but the OS is a fantastic idea. Mar 05 01:38:03 OH HAI zsoc! Back so soon? Mar 05 01:38:13 so Mar 05 01:38:14 is it bad Mar 05 01:38:23 when preware spams Filure during "getlistfile" operation Mar 05 01:38:26 I have a feeling someone is going to be kicked Mar 05 01:38:28 100 times, as soonas it opens Mar 05 01:38:32 Eguy: Luna may crash sometimes but linux on the device is very reliable Mar 05 01:38:44 The linux is a good build. Mar 05 01:39:00 FuMan2: yeah, that's bad. Mar 05 01:39:05 It's what is on the top that could use some maintenance. Mar 05 01:39:12 hm Mar 05 01:39:21 ill try updating feeds, restarting, and report back Mar 05 01:39:23 FuMan2: try an update feeds, and be ready to debug in Linux Mar 05 01:54:07 rwhitby: I am getting same issue, I recently doctored to verify Meta-Doctor worked for some guy who wanted to develop on a Sprint Pre Because he kept building and still getting activation I still don't get how he screwed it up cause I built the image with no problems Mar 05 01:54:53 I should have made the makefile for him since he couldn't seem to figure out how to edit the makefile correctly Mar 05 01:55:04 even after I told him several times Mar 05 01:56:15 Kyusaku: I've found that for some people, it is better to determine the level of ability first, and sometimes just not help for their own sake. Mar 05 01:57:24 Archer in 1 hour! Mar 05 01:57:30 !!!! Mar 05 01:57:37 Im recording it in 2 Mar 05 01:57:42 burn notice over rides it Mar 05 01:57:58 heh Mar 05 01:58:04 i just started watching frisky dingo a few days ago Mar 05 01:58:25 rwhitby: right now Preware is trying to fix unknown packages after all those error popups but stick at 9 out of 36 Mar 05 01:58:42 stuck Mar 05 01:59:01 menu is not responsive. Mar 05 01:59:19 I've tried installing via WOSQI and bootstrap Mar 05 01:59:28 both with same problem Mar 05 02:02:09 had to close out Mar 05 02:02:15 and re-open Mar 05 02:03:37 Kyusaku: "dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" Mar 05 02:03:40 went through error popups, fixed unknowns and did an update, now works Mar 05 02:03:51 that will tell you what's happening behind the scenes Mar 05 02:03:51 what file does it read rwhitby ? to fix unknown Mar 05 02:04:02 egaudet: .control and appinfo Mar 05 02:04:25 maybe a .control file got huge Mar 05 02:04:52 nah, no way that could happen, since it's not dependent on the web server Mar 05 02:04:58 how come none of the .so's in the cross-compile.git are dynamic Mar 05 02:07:29 rwhitby: it's normal now. should I try to see if I can recreate the issue? Mar 05 02:09:09 zsoc: that's unfair of he's basing it on fact haven't read the conversation Mar 05 02:09:37 tmzt, i'm sorry what? Mar 05 02:10:02 zsoc: what did you need? Mar 05 02:10:15 of/if Mar 05 02:10:44 your comments to Eguy Mar 05 02:11:02 but I hadn't seen you ping Mar 05 02:11:15 was just scrolling back to find out who it was Mar 05 02:11:20 tmzt, i had a question about my crashing usb host, and you seem to know a lot about .. a lot of things, but i figured out it wasn't exactly that causing the issue Mar 05 02:11:57 hmm Mar 05 02:12:03 what's the host? Mar 05 02:15:01 i have no idea. i'm just going to stop talking. all i know is restarting udev doesn't fix it, and i have no ehci_hcd or uhci_hcd Mar 05 02:17:12 you said crashing Mar 05 02:20:45 * rwhitby bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 05 02:59:58 2010