**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 05 02:59:58 2010 Mar 05 03:01:40 Guys those of you that use komodo heres the basic idea of how the new appinfo panel will work: http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html Mar 05 03:03:09 (i dont use it) but thats nice Mar 05 03:06:55 Yea next will be converting it over to XUL. Mar 05 03:39:25 jacques: so the X snafu I'm rather certain is due to it's use of select, interfering with the semaphores in SDL. palm documents as much, and debuging shows the rendering thread hangs waiting for the semaphore to be posted to Mar 05 03:39:38 jacques: resulting in the display not being updated Mar 05 03:40:06 jacques: 'documents' i mean use of select being dangerous is mentioned in their patch Mar 05 03:40:20 jacques: but as to how to /fix/ it.. I wish I could just rebuild sdl :(. Mar 05 03:42:04 jacques: and perhaps I'm lacking on some binary hack magic, but I'm not sure how one would get at/modify/access some of SDL's state Mar 05 03:42:51 jacques: since much of it isn't exposed in the dynamic symbol table. you mentioned introspecting the hidden struct in the SDL_VideoDevice, did you have an idea of how to do that? Mar 05 03:43:19 anyone else that wants to jump in on this is welcome to ;) Mar 05 03:46:51 I would like to say something like "you just said something that would get you made fun of in highschool, or get you accused of making things up and pretending to sound smart" Mar 05 03:47:19 zsoc: unfortunately no :( Mar 05 03:47:41 I honestly thought you made up the word semaphore Mar 05 03:47:46 I think that makes me a bad geek Mar 05 03:48:22 nah, a good geek always is learning :D Mar 05 03:49:34 libsdl-1.2-patch:4472 is the comment I'm talking about, fwiw. although regardless it definitely hangs waiting for the activate semaphore, and indefinitely so. Mar 05 03:50:08 sup fellas Mar 05 03:50:25 peent. Mar 05 03:50:41 :D Mar 05 03:51:43 usually this dead? Mar 05 03:51:54 :( Mar 05 03:52:40 dtzWill: WOW Mar 05 03:52:46 jacques: yeah, it's super lame Mar 05 03:52:52 dtzWill: Nice Work Mar 05 03:53:08 jacques: ty, but it's not nice work until it's fixed :P Mar 05 03:53:32 jacques: but yes i'm happy that at least we have some idea what's going on. Mar 05 03:53:34 dtzWill: can you point me to roughly where that comment in the patch is ? Mar 05 03:53:46 .:21:50:28:. <+dtzWill> libsdl-1.2-patch:4472 is the comment I'm talking about, fwiw. although regardless it definitely hangs waiting for the activate semaphore, and indefinitely so. Mar 05 03:53:56 sorry didn't include you on that one :) Mar 05 03:54:25 oops I hadn't read down that far yet :-) Mar 05 03:57:00 I wonder if going multi-threaded would be the right thing Mar 05 03:57:45 jacques: well my ... surest-to-work-but-i'm-not-super-happy-about idea to fix this is to push all sdl interactions Mar 05 03:57:53 jacques: into a separate process Mar 05 03:58:15 jacques: and just send frames through shared memory or the like, and feed the input (mouse/keyboard) through some defined ipc channel Mar 05 03:58:17 not separate thread? Mar 05 03:58:45 jacques: well no, I want them in separate process space, different file descriptors, and explicitly cannot interfere Mar 05 03:59:03 jacques: they already are different threads which is the issue (what with all the callbacks and semaphores) Mar 05 03:59:46 it sounds like I need to read the code again Mar 05 03:59:49 jacques: we know we can draw random shit to the screen in an SDL app (see every sdl app we've made so far), and the fact that we're getting frames from some memory that a different X runtime is writing to....? shrug :) (as an easy way to see that my suggestion would work) Mar 05 04:00:05 jacques: well I don't mean to send you away :( Mar 05 04:00:23 not rght now - making a serial cable Mar 05 04:01:09 maybe X can just be modified to not use select Mar 05 04:01:12 jacques: but SDL spawns a thread for the Napp stuff... which interacts with SDL through various callbacks Mar 05 04:01:23 or rather, to not have a timeout on the select? Mar 05 04:01:24 jacques: i thought about that, but what's the alternative? cpu-intensive polling? :/ Mar 05 04:01:37 jacques: that was an idea, to ditch the timeouts Mar 05 04:01:57 let SDL do the waiting Mar 05 04:03:23 now that you found the problem, I think we can lick it any number of ways Mar 05 04:03:31 jacques: well that sounds good, but I'm not sure how we do this. Mar 05 04:03:58 jacques: but then again it's been a long day here, and i'm a bit burned out :). hence my braindump of sorts above hehe Mar 05 04:04:47 jacques: yeah, i'm not 100% that i perfectly describe what's going on. but it's definitely do to some bad locking, doesn't happen until the 'select' stuff in X, and definitely is related to the IActivateCallback deal Mar 05 04:05:33 jacques: hell in the process of doing this i actually replaced the sdl shit with sdlgles shit, hoping that rendering model (explict swapbuffers, etc) would help things. Mar 05 04:06:00 jacques: ...it does not :). but if this suffers performance issues (vba did until I switched, but that could be for other reasons, just uploading a texture to render it shouldn't be faster in GLES than sdl...) Mar 05 04:07:01 good news is that despite hating my life, the separate process should absolutely fix this. a simpler more direct solution is of course welcome :) Mar 05 04:07:16 should or should not be faste? Mar 05 04:07:17 r Mar 05 04:07:41 I don't think we need to go to separate process Mar 05 04:07:56 I am going to look into it based on that assumption Mar 05 04:07:59 well it was for vba, but I don't see why (if all we're doing is writing a surface to the screen) that using sdl would be any slower than uploading as a texture every frame and rendering it Mar 05 04:08:15 jacques: good man :). i certainly don't wanna have to do that, it's just.. messy hehe Mar 05 04:08:37 jacques: but I like knowing in an abstract sense that we have some solution, now to improve upon it :) Mar 05 04:08:46 yes I agree, any app which essentially redraws the entire screen every frame will not benefit Mar 05 04:09:26 now X doesn't have to be like that of course, but I think kdrive assumes that model Mar 05 04:09:39 jacques: right, and despite damage and whatnot, the kdrive ...yes you're right, it pushes entire frames Mar 05 04:11:18 jacques: I think we can implement partial updating after we get anything other than a black screen :D Mar 05 04:11:29 jacques: (clearly, not suggesting you had something else in mind) Mar 05 04:11:34 I consider thie a vey positive development :-) Mar 05 04:12:01 can't type well with tools all over my keybord Mar 05 04:12:25 jacques: hahaha. what're you building? a serial cable, you said? what for? :D Mar 05 04:12:40 my new beagle board Mar 05 04:12:49 jacques: yeah, it's good having some grasp on wtf was failing :/. here's hoping we can fix it elegantly Mar 05 04:13:02 jacques: oooooo fun Mar 05 04:13:15 jacques: I've never been much of a hardware hacker, but those things look like a blast Mar 05 04:13:34 yeah I just got it. haven't even powered it up yet Mar 05 04:13:55 I know I have a bag of the serial adaptors I need somewhere, but cannot find it Mar 05 04:14:22 gonna get out the soldering iron in a bit, unless I cannot resist looking at Xsdl Mar 05 04:14:30 has a box marked "Serial adaptors" Mar 05 04:15:09 jacques: soldering at your board probably will be more fun :P. maybe i'm bitter from fighting with it so much hehe Mar 05 04:15:11 I have a bag of db9 to IDC 10-pin Mar 05 04:15:52 dtzWill: no reason to feel bad - you found the problem! Mar 05 04:15:57 * zsoc 's serial adapters consist of db9 and db25, gender changers, cables, and a few crimp on ends.. baby stuff Mar 05 04:16:49 * jacques is going to make a DTE cable so he doesn't need a null modem Mar 05 04:17:23 jacques: agreed, sorry. I'm actually not upset, happy in fact that we can fix this :). I meant a little playfullly bitter. Mar 05 04:17:30 because deep down I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't love it :D Mar 05 04:17:56 if you must be upset, be upset at palm ;-) Mar 05 04:18:38 a little bit, yes. but then again they didn't claim to have documented this (or even have it ready for use) either. Mar 05 04:20:05 well, it is march, and the pdk is supposed to be in beta this month Mar 05 04:28:01 nslu2 power supply fits a beagle board perfectly Mar 05 04:28:33 jacques, that is very convenient Mar 05 04:29:09 zsoc: yep :-) Mar 05 04:50:10 any you guys using the seidio battery? Mar 05 04:50:16 nope Mar 05 04:50:52 cxreg: yes Mar 05 04:51:07 is it a noticable improvement? Mar 05 04:51:57 it def adds a few hours. Mar 05 04:52:07 it really depends on your usage and exactly which battery you get Mar 05 04:52:47 i use the seidio 1350mAh battery Mar 05 04:53:02 My Mugen shipped out today! Mar 05 04:53:06 * halfhalo is very happy Mar 05 04:53:10 mugen? Mar 05 04:53:19 japanese infinity? Mar 05 04:53:42 i dunno Mar 05 04:53:51 I do know it was only 31 dollars Mar 05 04:54:26 what is it? Mar 05 04:54:35 anyone know if terminal is going to be updated or should we get used to terminus? Mar 05 04:54:39 mugen is the japanese word for infinity Mar 05 04:54:47 dreadchicken: use terminus for now. Mar 05 04:54:58 terminal will probably be updated eventually. but dont take my word for it Mar 05 04:55:12 i am guessing it isnt top priority right now. but yeah Mar 05 04:56:51 yay! serial cable works Mar 05 05:09:46 ooh serial cable? attached how? Mar 05 05:10:06 epv: sorry - not to my pre - to my beagle board Mar 05 05:10:40 ohh Mar 05 05:11:06 the OS does see serial tty devices :) Mar 05 05:11:16 i think it even runs a getty on ttyS1 or something Mar 05 05:13:27 I see this: Mar 05 05:13:27 root 8680 1 0 18:41 ttyACM0 00:00:00 pppd /dev/tts/modem0 file /etc/ppp/options-cdma mtu 1480 Mar 05 05:14:42 lsof doesn't currently show any other processes with serial ports open Mar 05 05:14:53 but there are three more Mar 05 05:16:41 i think a palm kernel guy was one here once and said one is a serial port brought out on their dev boards Mar 05 05:19:42 yeah, serial is still very useful for board support dev Mar 05 05:33:17 re Mar 05 05:35:39 re rwhitby Mar 05 06:07:12 A quote from the forums: "MyTether 2.1.0 was a breakthrough in the stability of this app. It worked flawlessly ever since WebOS Internals got involved." Mar 05 06:07:21 lol Mar 05 06:07:49 (note that we didn't get involved in the functionality of the app at all, just the safe packaging for installation and removal) Mar 05 06:08:02 I know. Its still funny Mar 05 06:10:44 rwhitby: what RSS reader do you use on the Pre? Mar 05 06:11:19 * halfhalo strongy reccomends Newsroom Mar 05 06:11:27 dBsooner: I don't. I use NetNewsWire on the laptop. Mar 05 06:11:33 boo Mar 05 06:11:33 * halfhalo also knows he can't speel today Mar 05 06:11:53 Newsroom is worth it Mar 05 06:11:57 and man i have been noticing HORRIBLE battery life with 1.4.0 Mar 05 06:12:12 hrmm Mar 05 06:12:13 it seems PmWiFiManager is eating CPU process during idle Mar 05 06:12:15 I did to at first Mar 05 06:12:16 really? Mar 05 06:12:24 it won't let the WiFi sleep Mar 05 06:12:28 but now its back to normal Mar 05 06:12:33 Well i never have IM on Mar 05 06:12:40 IM? Mar 05 06:12:44 Neither do i. Mar 05 06:12:50 Weirdo's Mar 05 06:12:52 but everything else on, I've been at a 2%/hr burn rate Mar 05 06:12:58 PmWiFiManager = Palm WiFi Manager Mar 05 06:13:04 which is almost as good as smart reflex was for me at 1.77%/hr Mar 05 06:13:14 and that's with wifi/gps on 24/7 Mar 05 06:13:16 Im at a little more than 2% with no wifi, and my 3 background apps Mar 05 06:13:18 i have been running around 5%/hr burn rate Mar 05 06:13:33 well maybe not.. Mar 05 06:13:37 I'll test it more tomorrow Mar 05 06:13:51 My Mugen needs to get here now Mar 05 06:13:54 * rwhitby ignores battery life by buying extra touchstones and placing them everywhere I spend more than an hour a day Mar 05 06:14:00 I only go off idle time, because once you start using it or any phone really primarily they become 5-6 hour devices Mar 05 06:14:04 lol Mar 05 06:14:22 I'm to cheap to pick up a new charger for a new touchstone Mar 05 06:14:25 rwhitby: thats classic Mar 05 06:14:48 rwhitby: but shouldn't be the way you operate. We should be able to last all day without extra TS's. Mar 05 06:14:58 dBsooner: seriously, I have 2 at home (bedroom and living room), 1 in the car, and 2 at work. Mar 05 06:15:04 lol Mar 05 06:15:07 I have.... one Mar 05 06:15:08 I need to get more Mar 05 06:15:11 By my bed Mar 05 06:15:27 My pre lasts all day as it is Mar 05 06:15:45 I need an extra charger though, cause one of the ones at work is not connected - it's just a magnetic base for the Pre which is not charging. Mar 05 06:15:51 unless its in one of those "Imma eat your battery" modes wit 30% battery drain an hour Mar 05 06:16:15 charging doesn't bother me, but seriously go to bed at 12am most nights and wake up at 7 or 8am and only 9-10% of battery is used tyipcally Mar 05 06:16:22 I had that yesterday Mar 05 06:16:40 that's with GPS and wifi turned to "on" Mar 05 06:16:48 my biggest complaint about 1.4.0 is the Phone App locking up Mar 05 06:16:53 and random Luna reboots Mar 05 06:17:04 hmmm Mar 05 06:17:11 the random Luna reboots seem to happen most often when running Preware and the AC at the same time Mar 05 06:17:11 my phone is beeping at me Mar 05 06:17:13 installing apps Mar 05 06:17:13 phone app as in the actual dialer app? Mar 05 06:17:22 psykoz: yes. Mar 05 06:17:30 I should find out why Mar 05 06:17:33 like i will go hours without receiving a text or call Mar 05 06:17:45 and then all of a sudden Luna will reboot Mar 05 06:17:53 and "ding ding ding ding ding" Mar 05 06:17:56 texts start rolling in Mar 05 06:18:02 dbsooner, getting any calls come in and ring once and then show as "missed" cases? Mar 05 06:18:06 and "you have 3 new voicemails" Mar 05 06:18:10 i get it multiple times today running preware, music player, and wirc Mar 05 06:18:19 s/get/got/ Mar 05 06:18:19 mjkjr meant: i got it multiple times today running preware, music player, and wirc Mar 05 06:18:30 I have not gotten it, and I only have wirc installed right now Mar 05 06:18:31 psykoz: no.. just no calls at all.. like my wife called 3 times this morning she said. Mar 05 06:18:38 my phone never even thought a call came in Mar 05 06:18:44 but she left VM's every time Mar 05 06:18:57 anyway, I am off to bed. Mar 05 06:19:02 I'll kick the pre's butt tomorrow Mar 05 06:19:08 I had a long day selling girl scout cookies. Mar 05 06:19:10 oh Mar 05 06:19:10 night ya'll Mar 05 06:19:15 I'm getting multiple ring-once calls during the day and phone app sometimes goes to the new card view-splash almost too much Mar 05 06:19:28 but other than everything else seems to be okay Mar 05 06:19:56 hmmm, i only have luna crashes, lol Mar 05 06:33:22 any vzw users know for certain if EAS will stop working with the "cheap" data plan? Mar 05 06:33:46 i didnt even know the a*hole rep set up the $45 plan Mar 05 06:34:18 i set it to 10 minute pulling instead of as arrives, hopefully it will keep working Mar 05 06:35:49 anyone know if caj2008 hangs out here? Mar 05 06:36:58 looking for testers for upstart manager service 0.0.7 in the alpha testing feed. Mar 05 06:37:08 newman314: he does not Mar 05 06:38:00 ah, i see. he's making some statements in a xxxmhz thread that his patches are electronically optimized and I'm wondering what he is doing to be able to claim to do so. Mar 05 06:38:48 how the HELL can you "electronically optimize" a patch? Mar 05 06:38:57 specifically "electronically optimized to the phone" which sounds like mumbo jumbo without any details. Mar 05 06:39:01 type it while hooked up to a car battery? Mar 05 06:39:10 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/233691-720-800mhz-alpha-testers-4.html Mar 05 06:39:40 maybe it's a magic voltmeter Mar 05 06:39:54 HA Mar 05 06:40:03 "here, i'll electronically optimize your laptop" Mar 05 06:41:20 By stealing half the ram? Mar 05 06:41:30 Thats what I would do Mar 05 06:41:57 where does it say electonically optimized? Mar 05 06:42:12 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/233691-720-800mhz-alpha-testers-4.html#post2282746 Mar 05 06:42:15 "These kernels are optimized electronically to the phone (WebOS1.3.5.1 only) and cause minimum stress to the system. In addition, I have ten additional testers working on the OS1.3.5.1 kernel as I didn't receive reports from everyone in the initial alpha testing group. BTW-No frakking was reported with these OS1.3.5.1 dependent kernels. " Mar 05 06:42:29 "These kernels are optimized electronically to the phone (WebOS1.3.5.1 only) and cause minimum stress to the system." Mar 05 06:42:36 halfhalo-sleepyt: beat me to it Mar 05 06:42:58 from what I saw of the patches. marco/jeff set the *minimum* cpu speed to 600mhz Mar 05 06:43:09 ah. well, that's reasonably true. Mar 05 06:43:17 and was using the conservative governor. Mar 05 06:43:43 the patches are actually a replacement kernel, which defines new OPP points in the kernel code according to patches for later generation omap devices Mar 05 06:43:49 rwhitby: but with the implication that the default kernel is not "electronically optimized" Mar 05 06:44:05 which does not make any sense imo Mar 05 06:44:24 see http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/233691-720-800mhz-alpha-testers-5.html#post2282992 Mar 05 06:44:24 the default kernel does not have defined OPP points for > 600MHz, so leaving the attempts at putting that into laymans langage aside, it's correct. Mar 05 06:45:02 well since the default kernel does not have OPP6 or 7, it's simply not possible to go to 720 or 800 Mar 05 06:45:15 right, that's why a new kernel is used for those patches. Mar 05 06:45:15 that's a definition issue not "optimization" Mar 05 06:45:47 well, he attempted to explain kernel OPP points in layman's language for PreCentral. Mar 05 06:45:50 * mjkjr is tired of reading the "Preware and Pkg Mgr Svc crash luna" post, one member is saying it's a well known they are the issue. lol Mar 05 06:46:07 lol Mar 05 06:46:15 it be my sleepytime now Mar 05 06:46:16 mjkjr: URL? Mar 05 06:46:36 rwhitby: I guess my take on it is he did not do a good job as that really does not do much to explain OPP. Mar 05 06:46:58 newman314: agreed. but no-one is going to be able to explain OPP properly to people who read PreCentral. Mar 05 06:47:08 hehe. Mar 05 06:47:32 and he's not the one who does the kernel patches and build, so he may not have a full understanding himself. Mar 05 06:48:08 I guess it would have been easier to say "added/defined additional clock speeds" instead of "electronic optimization" =) Mar 05 06:48:40 rwhitby: thereby, not a good candidate to try to explain things as it confuses things further. Mar 05 06:48:46 agreed on both counts Mar 05 06:49:28 he's trying to distinguish them from the previous generation of patches, which didn't modify the kernel at all. Mar 05 06:49:42 i'm tempted to chime in on that thread cept i have a feeling caj2008 would react badly. Mar 05 06:50:00 dBsooner: Seen the message? Mar 05 06:50:09 maybe there should a summary thread once and for all about all the different patches/methods available. Mar 05 06:51:18 Hello together. Quick question (I already asked before but I think nobody was awake at that time): Is dosbox in the WebOS Internals PDK actively maintained? Can we expect a working IPK soon? Mar 05 06:51:52 in any case, I'm going back to watching Chuck Mar 05 06:52:22 Chuck is teh awesome Mar 05 06:52:25 hey kayahr! Mar 05 06:52:54 Hi :-) Mar 05 06:53:53 kayahr: so, what do we need to do to set you up for the repo now? Mar 05 06:54:16 kayahr: I've added your key already Mar 05 06:54:58 rwhitby: Well I haven't used GIT as a commiter before, but because you needed my SSH public key I guess I access the repo over git+ssh prototocol instead of git, right? And I guess I need a username for the URL. Mar 05 06:55:47 kayahr: to access the WIDK: Mar 05 06:56:00 git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/cross-compile.git Mar 05 06:56:19 kayahr: make sure you configure your git global config with your name and email address Mar 05 06:56:51 rwhitby: Name and email address is already configured. Found this in some tutorial Mar 05 06:56:56 so is the download throttle manager patch no longer needed for 1.4? Mar 05 06:57:15 kayahr: try that clone now then Mar 05 06:58:01 rwhitby: Doesn't work: Permission denied (publickey) Mar 05 06:58:32 rwhitby: getting links, also blames the lock screen bug on them. Mar 05 06:58:42 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/234004-patch-request-w-pictures-new-lock-screen.html lol Mar 05 06:58:47 kayahr: please type "ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org" to debug the authentication error. it won't get a terminal login, but it will tell you the error Mar 05 06:59:35 #49 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/234341-majority-vs-minority-3.html Mar 05 06:59:44 rwhitby: This is the interesting part of the output: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey Mar 05 06:59:44 debug1: Next authentication method: publickey Mar 05 06:59:44 debug1: Offering public key: /home/k/.ssh/id_rsa Mar 05 06:59:44 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey Mar 05 06:59:44 debug1: No more authentication methods to try. Mar 05 06:59:45 Permission denied (publickey). Mar 05 07:00:23 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/234283-random-restarts-2.html Mar 05 07:01:43 mjkjr: which post in that one? Mar 05 07:02:29 kind of scattered around but 33, atleast adds a link Mar 05 07:03:42 thx Mar 05 07:04:39 kayahr: typo at my end, fixing now Mar 05 07:05:07 kayahr: please try again now - my cut and paste of the key omitted the first character Mar 05 07:05:42 rwhitby: Works Mar 05 07:06:29 LOL. Google posts about Tor and privacy but fails with Buzz =) Mar 05 07:08:31 rwhitby, that pastee link won't mean anything to 75% of people lol, maybe your actual tweet would. Mar 05 07:14:53 Good night Mar 05 07:15:10 night mjkjr Mar 05 07:37:05 hey, a new poll on AUPT success! http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/poll-2043-a.html <- 44% in this one Mar 05 07:46:42 lol @ "thanks precentral" Mar 05 08:01:43 rwhitby, that's 81.25% success rate with patches installed! Mar 05 08:08:27 egaudet: I'm going to package up the i686g25 toolchain that we build on the optware autobuilder, and make preware build.git download and use that Mar 05 08:09:06 awesome Mar 05 08:15:58 I'll test it on opkg first. should have that going soon. Mar 05 08:25:18 egaudet: pushed, please test i686 toolchain. Mar 05 08:26:46 * rwhitby bbl Mar 05 08:27:02 bad link Mar 05 08:27:37 rwhitby, bad permissions on file? forbidden Mar 05 08:27:45 http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/i686-unknown-linux-gnu-1.4.1.tar.gz Mar 05 09:22:04 hi can anyone help me, i'm trying to flash the modem on my pre, but i'm getting open port /dev/tts/modemdiag Failed Mar 05 10:35:18 Hi i've got a question, i am trying to update my modem on pre, and after a few comands i foundout that my modem version comes us as "eomsbl" instead Mar 05 10:36:58 of the CU0.5.13 version Mar 05 11:05:14 z33ma: your best bet is probably to ask on mobile-files.com - we don't do modem modifications in this channel Mar 05 11:05:57 rwhitby: thanks, just found the site :) thanks Mar 05 11:06:10 z33ma: good luck Mar 05 11:07:11 i'll need it..cos pre is a semi brick.. :/ Mar 05 11:07:44 any idea how it happened? Mar 05 11:11:08 not sure, worked perfect till 1.4 cameout Mar 05 11:11:12 *update Mar 05 11:11:20 then everything worked besides calls Mar 05 11:11:44 so tried to downgrade and see if that worked Mar 05 11:11:52 but didnt work at all Mar 05 11:12:04 then started getting sos Mar 05 11:12:18 so tried the PmModemUpdater Mar 05 11:12:32 and that says it flashed 100% Mar 05 11:13:40 but still reads as oemsbl Mar 05 11:46:52 good lord Mar 05 11:47:09 somebody is complaining that blink notifications are going to drain their battery Mar 05 12:45:47 I installed a few patches from Preware. Mar 05 12:45:58 Do I need to remove them before upgrading to 1.4? Mar 05 12:46:41 hi, how can I enable tethering on my palm without using mythether? Is it possible with o2? Mar 05 12:47:02 There's supposedly freetether. Mar 05 12:56:03 oh dear. It looks like an awfull hack. for sprint/verizon/usa only Mar 05 12:59:58 It's all an awful hack. Mar 05 13:00:19 I can't wait until laws are passed banning carriers from providing phones. Mar 05 13:00:24 And dictating firmware features or misfeatures. Mar 05 13:01:10 I want to connect to my university's wifi network. the wpa_supplicant configuration can be seen here: http://www.hs-regensburg.de/einrichtungen/rz/rz-anleitungen/rz-wlan/installationsanleitung-fuer-linux/wlan-unter-linux-am-beispiel-von-ubuntu.html Mar 05 13:01:11 I make the following: stop PmNetConfigManager && wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth0 -c /uni.config but receive the following error: Mar 05 13:01:33 ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Invalid argument Mar 05 13:01:33 ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Network is unreachable Mar 05 13:02:13 does the pre's wifi driver support TKIP/PAP/stuff of that configuration? Mar 05 13:28:56 does preware still work with the new update for the palm pre? Mar 05 13:30:02 yes Mar 05 13:30:25 wow i'm so pumped... i'm finally gettin a haircut after 3 months ;d Mar 05 13:31:23 ok, should i have to reinstall anything Mar 05 13:31:28 it wont download the feeds? Mar 05 13:32:16 what do u mean that "it wont download feeds" Mar 05 13:32:54 it starts downloading feeds Mar 05 13:32:58 and just NEVER finished Mar 05 13:33:07 its been going for 15 mins. Mar 05 13:33:15 oh then idk maybe some of the feeds are down? Mar 05 13:35:16 Is there a way to exclude some packages from 'update all'? Mar 05 13:57:54 I have just tried iwconfig eth0 mode Ad-Hoc and received 'Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argument.' Mar 05 13:58:04 is ad-hoc broken since 1.4? Mar 05 13:59:30 or do get european palm-costumers receive just crappy palm from o2 where nothing is allowed to do? Mar 05 13:59:59 ad-hoc hasn't worked since 1.2 Mar 05 14:00:19 quotemstr: Manage Feeds Mar 05 14:00:52 so using pre as an wifi-hotspot isn't possible? Mar 05 14:01:46 wtf Mar 05 14:01:50 luna crashed again Mar 05 14:01:51 comicinker: sure it is, didn't you see all the press about that feature for Verizon? Mar 05 14:01:55 yesterday/today Mar 05 14:01:56 :( Mar 05 14:02:13 I'm from europe Mar 05 14:02:41 they compiled ap support out of the general kernel and left it in verizon iirc. Mar 05 14:03:05 mikewx: ap is different from ad-hoc Mar 05 14:03:08 so you need a new kernel, there was a guy making them but i dunno what current status is Mar 05 14:03:10 oh, sorry Mar 05 14:03:23 * mikewx goes back to being a wallflower Mar 05 14:03:47 you don't need a new kernel. there are a number of tethering and hotspot solutions. Just search on PreCentral.net Mar 05 14:06:18 rwhitby: I don't want to use the shiny gui for 10 bucks when I can use a terminal from my PC Mar 05 14:06:37 use freetether Mar 05 14:07:08 comicinker: who said anything about 10 bucks? Mar 05 14:08:14 there is a free version of mytether too anyway tethering is good ;d Mar 05 14:08:25 ;D Mar 05 14:08:45 I'm already searching PreCentral.net. There is MyTether and some weird hacks mostly for Verizon, Sprint or they are outdated or just not available for european costumers Mar 05 14:09:14 because of a different contract with the distributor (o2) Mar 05 14:09:46 I think I will try to install the appropriate kernel module or another kernel Mar 05 14:11:12 because it seems like "iwconfig eth0 mode master" is also not supported by the sd8xxx driver Mar 05 14:13:35 ok, let us know how it goes. Mar 05 14:15:19 So, who's up for some radical new ipkgservice and preware alpha testing? Mar 05 14:16:36 You not only get to test some experimental new code which isolates the Preware feed list files from any App Catalog interference, but you also get to test the new add and remove feeds feature. Mar 05 14:50:11 If you had downloaded the alpha test versions previously, you will want to re-download a new set. Mar 05 14:50:37 See http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2284635 for details. Mar 05 14:53:18 rwhitby: go to bed Mar 05 14:53:27 rwhitby: the wife is going to have your hide. Mar 05 14:53:45 rwhitby: only avail in testing feed? Mar 05 14:54:14 dBsooner: Friday night, and nothing on tomorrow morning. This is my uninterrupted hacking time, during which I just did a major architecture change in ipkgservice. Mar 05 14:54:32 oh yea.. it is fri night there. Mar 05 14:54:33 my bad Mar 05 14:54:41 Being unemployed I don't pay attention to days. Mar 05 14:54:52 rwhitby: how major? Mar 05 14:54:56 * dBsooner goes to read.. Mar 05 14:58:30 how exciting... tonight i'm going gambling and tomorrow i'm going skiing :P Mar 05 14:58:36 Not as major as I was contemplating, cause I worked out a cunning plan while designing it. Mar 05 15:00:33 rwhitby: VERY nice.. Mar 05 15:00:47 the cache idea was superb Mar 05 15:02:10 rwhitby: Between you and I, how unstable is this release? Mar 05 15:02:44 worst that can happen is the list files get lost and you have to hit update feeds Mar 05 15:03:00 or if there is anything in a postinst which depends on the list files being in place, then it will fail Mar 05 15:03:03 ok.. so your warning on the thread was basically to fend off AM's? Mar 05 15:03:33 no, it's genuinely new code, and hasn't had anyone but me test it yet. Mar 05 15:07:10 wow, new facebook app is only at 2.5 stars. that's gotta hurt. Mar 05 15:07:22 * rwhitby is glad no-one gets to rate Preware anywhere ... Mar 05 15:09:03 dBsooner: have fun testing it - the add new feed stuff seems to work Mar 05 15:09:36 rwhitby: it's because no one is UPDATING their old ratings Mar 05 15:09:47 rwhitby: they don't clear the ratings on updates Mar 05 15:13:39 rwhitby: This preware-bootstrap rocks Mar 05 15:15:52 * mjkjr|wirc thinks if there was somewhere to rate preware it would deserve 5 stars Mar 05 15:16:30 actually, I remembered about http://uploads.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/preware , where it's rated at 4.7 stars Mar 05 15:17:54 fileCoaster of course is still at 4.8 stars :-) Mar 05 15:19:02 rwhitby: nice DONATION link Mar 05 15:19:09 can you make that bigger, and possibly flash? Mar 05 15:19:15 now, if fileCoaster was actually working in webOS 1.4, we could probably now package Preware in a way that fileCoaster could install it. Mar 05 15:19:49 "Failure during 'getListFile' operation" Mar 05 15:19:57 i have preware set to "Manual update" of feeds Mar 05 15:20:05 yeah, it wipes feeds on install Mar 05 15:20:10 so when I reinstalled PMS, I bet it wiped the feeds Mar 05 15:20:23 you should check for that and force an update Mar 05 15:21:11 well, it could be easy to get into an infinite loop doing something like that Mar 05 15:21:23 well.. its better than getting 12 popups Mar 05 15:21:28 which is just what I got Mar 05 15:21:41 just set it to a static count Mar 05 15:21:48 after 2 loops of non-update, fail with error. Mar 05 15:22:25 * rwhitby bbt - night all Mar 05 15:22:29 rofl Mar 05 15:22:30 on that note Mar 05 15:22:33