**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 06 02:59:57 2010 Mar 06 03:01:47 chuq? Mar 06 03:02:30 so the SDK rootfs is in a .vmdk Mar 06 03:02:50 and I got no clue from there Mar 06 03:04:19 egaudet: what are you trying to do? Mar 06 03:04:21 psykoz: he is Palm Developer Community Manager, and probably one of the Palm connected sources that could bring such an idea to the internal development team. Mar 06 03:04:36 read it Mar 06 03:04:45 extract the /usr/lib Mar 06 03:04:59 vmdk is vmware ? Mar 06 03:05:28 or at least gather info if jacques is already working on it Mar 06 03:05:43 yea Mar 06 03:06:38 so there's someone from Palm in this channel sometimes? Mar 06 03:07:05 Infinity__, usually, why? Mar 06 03:07:18 curious.. that's great though Mar 06 03:07:37 Infinity, they have your sprint ESN and they are watching you, in #webos-internals, in your phone, in your house. Srs Mar 06 03:07:40 indexer service? just expose sometbing to webkit Mar 06 03:07:46 or use html5 offline extensions Mar 06 03:08:05 vmdk is virtual machine disk fornat Mar 06 03:08:17 Hmm sounds comforting psykoz Mar 06 03:08:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMDK Mar 06 03:09:03 expose something to webkit? what stuff can you expose to it? do you have an example? Mar 06 03:09:14 there's also sphinx. some quick googling seems to show sphinx may work with sqlite Mar 06 03:09:37 or vmware disk format Mar 06 03:09:46 I've worked with sphinx before, i think that might really kill the pre as far as resources Mar 06 03:09:53 but it can be as simple as a text file with a dd/raw image backing it Mar 06 03:09:54 problem is pre is so mem constraint. if you have OOM errors now without these services, imagine having even less mem avail Mar 06 03:10:17 Infinity__: expose a new api to javascript Mar 06 03:10:32 there are examples in webkit code and webkit-users mailing list Mar 06 03:11:19 most search engines work by building a reverse index so it should be fine as far as cpu goes if properly throttled. Mar 06 03:11:25 tmzt: has anything like that been done for the pre before? Mar 06 03:11:36 as always it's the initial scan that takes the longest. Mar 06 03:11:49 is there a txt editor for webos Mar 06 03:11:54 so what are you thinking, cron that updates the db? Mar 06 03:12:01 you lose storage for the index files but that's to be expected. Mar 06 03:12:13 i would think the biggest problem is still the mem hit. Mar 06 03:12:23 + power consumption Mar 06 03:12:26 problem is (partly) pre uses java Mar 06 03:12:41 that's part of the memory problem Mar 06 03:12:52 * oil throws java out the window Mar 06 03:13:06 yeah java.. the memory hog Mar 06 03:13:17 they should rewrite them in c Mar 06 03:13:48 gak I can't seem to wakeonlan my windows desktop Mar 06 03:17:31 tmzt: well the version of apache harmony is old too. Mar 06 03:18:00 I was experiementing with trying to call a jar with harmony (to run the google closure compiler) but no dice Mar 06 03:18:04 what's java still used for? Mar 06 03:18:09 system services? Mar 06 03:18:10 experimenting even Mar 06 03:18:15 LunaSysMgr Mar 06 03:19:57 why would you want to run the closure compiler on the phone? Mar 06 03:20:10 did some one who gets the terminal running on 1.4 Mar 06 03:20:37 Infinity__: for giggles =) Mar 06 03:20:51 It's pretty damn slow on the desktop lol Mar 06 03:20:57 on a dual core 2.6 Mar 06 03:21:19 I figured if I could get it running on the pre, then I could save from having to copy files back and forth =) Mar 06 03:22:10 have you seen any runtime performance increase with the "compiled" js? Mar 06 03:23:07 well I didnt get to that part yet Mar 06 03:23:08 i'm using YUIcompressor at the day job for a big library and to b able to use closure we would have to make a trillion changes to the code.. but I dont know if its worth it Mar 06 03:24:45 ~blah Mar 06 03:24:46 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Mar 06 03:26:18 ~intermission Mar 06 03:26:18 Infinity__: SIMPLE_OPTIMIZATIONS should be good to start Mar 06 03:26:33 ADVANCED_OPTIMIZATIONS would take work Mar 06 03:27:05 SIMPLE_OPS is worse than standard yuicompressor, so thats no use Mar 06 03:27:36 I think the real synergy is when u code the way the GWT JS is written, otherwise google closure is just a lot of work to support Mar 06 03:28:22 not too fond of the gwt Mar 06 03:28:45 Yeah me either, i've been learning to love MooTools lately Mar 06 03:29:36 quick question what server do you connect to with the IRC client? Mar 06 03:29:44 does anyone know if there is a Webos Repair Utility updated for 1.4 yet by Jason? Mar 06 03:29:57 freenode.net isn't connectin for me Mar 06 03:29:59 he said that 2.0 was coming soon Mar 06 03:30:02 dunno Mar 06 03:30:10 me I like teh jquery Mar 06 03:30:16 so much more intuitive Mar 06 03:30:41 jquery is quick and intuitive, but mootools is more advanced Mar 06 03:31:39 Infinity__: irc.freenode.net always works for me Mar 06 03:31:50 lets you do stuff like (function(){ // some code }).delay(1000).bind(this) Mar 06 03:32:07 runs that function in 1s and adjusts the context Mar 06 03:32:18 to do that type of stuff in jquery u have to write a few lines Mar 06 03:32:40 I wonder if anyone has written a webos app using mootools Mar 06 03:32:48 Infinity__: if you want to find a more geographically closer freenode sever http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml Mar 06 03:33:36 well Prototype and MooTools dont get along so i doubt it Mar 06 03:33:45 thanks Kyusaku Mar 06 03:33:51 yelp just updated their app Mar 06 03:33:54 yay Mar 06 03:34:05 still no login capability tho. boo Mar 06 04:07:13 egaudet: "QEMU - provides the qemu-img utility to convert VMDK images to a number of different formats" Mar 06 04:10:17 egaudet: qemu-img convert -f vmdk converted.vmdk -O raw converted.raw Mar 06 04:10:23 mount -o loop converted.raw /mnt Mar 06 04:14:10 unpack .deb, unzip ./opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/emulator/images/Palm SDK 1.3.5.368.vmdk.zip Mar 06 04:14:54 that gets nova-cust-image-sdk117.vmdk Mar 06 04:18:14 WOW Mar 06 04:18:25 with 1.4 my battery life is ass Mar 06 04:18:39 1.3.5.1 made it really good Mar 06 04:18:41 mine is great. :-/ Mar 06 04:18:42 this sucks Mar 06 04:19:21 My battery life is much better with 1.4 Mar 06 04:19:29 I stopped using smart reflex Mar 06 04:19:42 i have never used any patches Mar 06 04:19:50 just apps Mar 06 04:19:57 I used smart reflex for a 1.77% battery burn per hour Mar 06 04:20:04 but 1.4 is doing about 2.1%/hr Mar 06 04:20:09 which to me became negligible Mar 06 04:20:19 1.3.5.1 was ~3.5%/hr idle Mar 06 04:20:32 maybe i just gotta rebot Mar 06 04:21:47 why is it different on mine Mar 06 04:23:51 what is upstart manager Mar 06 04:23:58 and why does it want to update Mar 06 04:25:40 entity-: what does the description say in Preware? Mar 06 04:25:55 (and the changelog for that matter) Mar 06 04:26:13 it tells me to kill myself Mar 06 04:27:22 entity-: be an hero Mar 06 04:30:50 why is there no gui ftp client and txt editor Mar 06 04:31:01 cause you haven't written one yet? Mar 06 04:31:19 you would think since this is such a nerd phone that that would be the first thing you nerds would think of Mar 06 04:31:30 entity-, there are, no one has released them because people are lazy and devs have busy lives outside of webos-land Mar 06 04:31:33 nerds don't use guis Mar 06 04:31:44 s/nerds/geeks/ Mar 06 04:31:54 nerds watch star trek and go to anime conventions Mar 06 04:31:56 geeks use linux Mar 06 04:32:08 The GUI was invented simple to allow more terminal windows to fit on a large screen. Mar 06 04:32:11 true that Mar 06 04:32:16 rwhitby, haha Mar 06 04:32:21 s/simple/simply/ Mar 06 04:32:21 rwhitby meant: The GUI was invented simply to allow more terminal windows to fit on a large screen. Mar 06 04:32:37 ease of use Mar 06 04:32:45 clicking is faster then typing Mar 06 04:32:54 big whoop, wanna fight about it? Mar 06 04:33:45 nah, too busy writing a gui ftp client Mar 06 04:34:08 for the pre O_o Mar 06 04:34:09 clicking is faster than typing? that's a joke i hope Mar 06 04:34:10 ya and then guess what will happen Mar 06 04:34:32 these joto palm wont allow me to buy it in canada Mar 06 04:34:59 entity-: if you're in Canada, how come Jason hasn't written one for you yet? Mar 06 04:35:23 he hasnt come out of his igloo in weeks Mar 06 04:36:45 rwhitby: do you think its possible preware could be causing Luna to abuse memory? Mar 06 04:38:02 dBsooner: lots of apps are causing luna crashes. one guy had never installed homebrew, and had it while running the app catalog client Mar 06 04:38:25 rwhitby: I am not really referring to luna crashes per se. Mar 06 04:38:44 I am referring to Luna will lock up its apps.. like the com.palm.phone app will stop resonding. Mar 06 04:39:07 dBsooner: once preware exits, the magical garbage collection should get all the memory back Mar 06 04:39:22 * rwhitby bbl Mar 06 04:39:25 wait.. Mar 06 04:39:35 when does magical GC run? Mar 06 04:39:41 by what service? Mar 06 04:56:42 entity-, since when is clicking faster than typing Mar 06 04:57:11 I can type "vi /path/to/whoever" faster than you can open your file explorer, navigate to your file and click it. End of story! :P Mar 06 04:57:55 the most time consuming act is moving my hand off the keyboard to the mouse ;) Mar 06 04:58:07 lol Mar 06 04:58:52 ~holdmusic Mar 06 04:58:53 do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. Mar 06 04:58:57 asdasdasd Mar 06 04:59:08 why am I not able to change my nick Mar 06 04:59:34 halfhalo-L4D2, i revoked your privileges Mar 06 04:59:43 awwwwwww Mar 06 04:59:50 *sad panda* Mar 06 05:00:04 halfhalo-L4D2, or, alternatively, you don't know how to use irc Mar 06 05:00:20 its saying I'm banned on a channel Mar 06 05:00:36 a channel? like #a Mar 06 05:00:50 ok Mar 06 05:01:05 it was both #webos and #webos-watercooler Mar 06 05:01:31 halfhalo, well you don't seem to be banned here.. yet Mar 06 05:02:01 APPARENTLY when I changed my nick it didn't let me change it back Mar 06 05:02:21 I'm going to blame you zsoc. Its just the easy thing to do Mar 06 05:02:35 infobot, apparently is WELL _APPARENTLY_! Mar 06 05:02:36 okay, zsoc Mar 06 05:02:38 ~apparently Mar 06 05:02:39 WELL _APPARENTLY_! Mar 06 05:02:56 lol Mar 06 05:03:13 * halfhalo gives zsoc a cookie Mar 06 05:03:24 ~cookie halfhalo Mar 06 05:03:30 hmm... Mar 06 05:03:30 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... Mar 06 05:03:37 ^_^ Mar 06 05:03:43 lol Mar 06 05:03:50 ~hug halfhalo Mar 06 05:03:51 * infobot gets a running start and tackle-hugs halfhalo Mar 06 05:03:56 ha Mar 06 05:04:01 ~lick zsoc Mar 06 05:04:02 * infobot licks zsoc *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Mar 06 05:04:17 hrm Mar 06 05:04:17 * zsoc clearly became a webos-internals dev so he can abuse the bot without rod yelling at him every 5 minutes Mar 06 05:04:29 geist, humph Mar 06 05:04:29 clearly Mar 06 05:05:03 anyone having issues with webos dr 1.4? Mar 06 05:05:15 I have no animal crackers so I can't do any programming tonight Mar 06 05:05:26 halfhalo, i hear ya Mar 06 05:05:54 hmm, im out of almonds as well Mar 06 05:05:59 this will only end badly Mar 06 05:06:03 halfhalo, try an amaretto sour Mar 06 05:06:10 it's like the same thing Mar 06 05:06:11 geist, do you ever talk to any of the rf engineers over there at palm ? Mar 06 05:07:28 infobot: later Mar 06 05:07:29 hmm... later is now Mar 06 05:07:36 very true Mar 06 05:07:41 I think I'm out of coke as well Mar 06 05:07:51 stop abusing infobot.! Mar 06 05:07:53 * halfhalo hugs infobot Mar 06 05:07:57 halfhalo, try bawls Mar 06 05:07:58 ~~~~ Mar 06 05:07:59 ARGH!!! STOP IT zsoc!!! Mar 06 05:08:04 lol Mar 06 05:08:10 I'm not a fan of energy drinks Mar 06 05:08:17 but Coke is a different story Mar 06 05:08:22 halfhalo, but syrupy sugary sodas are ok? Mar 06 05:08:22 lord Mar 06 05:08:27 Mt. Dew Amp Mar 06 05:08:29 that was my jam. Mar 06 05:08:29 no Mar 06 05:08:31 bpadalino: not too much Mar 06 05:08:32 just Coke Mar 06 05:08:38 and occasionally pepsi Mar 06 05:08:57 geist, ah damn .. do you know if they do their own antenna designs or contract out ? Mar 06 05:09:18 i think they do their own Mar 06 05:09:26 ~lart is hillarious. Mar 06 05:09:26 * infobot teaches is hillarious. that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. Mar 06 05:09:30 haha Mar 06 05:09:46 lol Mar 06 05:09:52 access isn't so bad... Mar 06 05:09:53 another reason for me not working: kitchen nightmares is on on demand Mar 06 05:09:53 * zsoc ducks Mar 06 05:10:03 * halfhalo throws zsoc out the window Mar 06 05:10:19 ~lart halfhalo for defenestrating zsoc Mar 06 05:10:19 * infobot forces halfhalo to use Outlook Express for defenestrating zsoc Mar 06 05:10:47 defenestrate is such a great word. Mar 06 05:10:52 lol Mar 06 05:11:03 indeed Mar 06 05:12:37 why am I watching this crap Mar 06 05:12:58 night Mar 06 05:13:03 night Mar 06 05:13:22 halfhalo: what crap? Mar 06 05:13:24 bpadalino: night Mar 06 05:17:46 damn this game is taking a while to install Mar 06 05:17:52 halfhalo: that's a good show Mar 06 05:18:06 I know it is, but im not watching it Mar 06 05:18:11 it has to download first Mar 06 05:18:18 watching The Reasturant Mar 06 05:19:17 app catalog needs some kind of install progress indicator Mar 06 05:19:46 there is Mar 06 05:19:50 wait Mar 06 05:19:52 never mind Mar 06 05:19:58 finally Mar 06 05:20:05 what game? Mar 06 05:20:16 Dungeon Hunter Mar 06 05:20:24 it's a 300MB download Mar 06 05:20:37 uwi 11 Mar 06 05:20:49 lol Mar 06 05:21:02 irssi Mar 06 05:25:38 ~~~~ Mar 06 05:25:39 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-wirc!!! Mar 06 05:25:50 wawaaaaaaa Mar 06 05:26:46 halfhalo: use ~lart Mar 06 05:28:05 but whats the fun in that? Mar 06 05:28:22 ~lart destinal-wirc Mar 06 05:28:22 * infobot stabs destinal-wirc Mar 06 05:28:35 halfhalo: its a different thing every time Mar 06 05:28:44 i lnow Mar 06 05:28:47 know* Mar 06 05:28:58 ~ack Mar 06 05:28:59 *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* Mar 06 05:29:15 ~syn-ack Mar 06 05:29:18 hmmm Mar 06 05:29:21 ~syn Mar 06 05:29:22 ack Mar 06 05:29:29 ~stab gkatsev Mar 06 05:29:30 * infobot runs at gkatsev with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Mar 06 05:29:37 ~punch halfhalo Mar 06 05:29:38 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches halfhalo right on the nose Mar 06 05:29:40 ~rst Mar 06 05:29:41 i guess rst is the bitch Mar 06 05:29:49 hehe Mar 06 05:30:37 ~git Mar 06 05:30:41 ~hg Mar 06 05:30:42 somebody said hg was Mercurial, a distributed source control system: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/ Mar 06 05:30:44 ~rcs Mar 06 05:30:45 GNU Revision Control System. URL: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/trinkle/RCS/ Mar 06 05:30:52 ~cvs Mar 06 05:30:53 cvs is probably concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. Mar 06 05:30:56 ~svn Mar 06 05:30:57 Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. Mar 06 05:32:38 git is the best Mar 06 05:36:36 ~piledriver Mar 06 05:36:51 ~botslap twice Mar 06 05:36:58 ~botkick Mar 06 05:37:05 ~botslap Mar 06 05:37:06 Hey what was that for, egaudet? Mar 06 05:37:18 ~botslap Mar 06 05:37:19 OUCH! That hurt, egaudet! Mar 06 05:37:22 talk back again! Mar 06 05:39:07 lol Mar 06 06:11:23 omfg Mar 06 06:11:34 my phone keeps getting random pics on it Mar 06 06:11:36 wtf? Mar 06 06:12:02 lol. what pics? Mar 06 06:12:11 it could be from installed apps or something Mar 06 06:12:14 weird pics of girls Mar 06 06:12:35 do you have asian girls installed and clicking the save button? Mar 06 06:12:59 nope Mar 06 06:13:05 none of that Mar 06 06:13:14 its almost like avirus Mar 06 06:22:36 haha Mar 06 06:22:46 its not funny Mar 06 06:23:00 well its sorta funny, never heard of that before Mar 06 06:23:08 files Mar 06 06:23:15 always ends up in afolder called files Mar 06 06:36:14 never heard that Mar 06 06:36:36 is it sexy pics of just candid pics Mar 06 06:38:06 some people have said to recover some random pix when running some file recovery software on the drive Mar 06 06:41:30 who here has bought a 3d game for their pre? Mar 06 06:43:06 i really want to Mar 06 06:43:14 but im in fucking canada Mar 06 06:43:36 entity-: how does fucking canda compare to fucking the US? Mar 06 06:43:53 sorry... Mar 06 06:44:45 canada pwnz ,man Mar 06 06:46:42 entity: do you have that flicker pictures app installed? Mar 06 06:47:34 nmow Mar 06 06:47:36 no Mar 06 07:12:09 Help! I can't uninstall a theme! Mar 06 07:14:38 try to install the palm theme then Mar 06 07:15:19 where can i find that Mar 06 07:17:05 ? Mar 06 07:19:55 thats why i dont install themes. they just mess up... Mar 06 07:20:31 i learned my lesson Mar 06 07:21:58 i didnt know saurik also did palm themes Mar 06 07:23:08 until themes get their own aupt, i wouldnt recommend it. :) Mar 06 07:23:17 i guess it should be called autt Mar 06 07:23:47 ugh i cant get rid of this Mar 06 07:23:47 idk what to do Mar 06 07:24:09 ugh, whats it called. Mar 06 07:24:34 there is an application that basically check all the files and puts them back to the original Mar 06 07:24:41 i think jason also wrote it Mar 06 07:24:45 not webos dr Mar 06 07:24:50 that wipes the whole thing Mar 06 07:24:54 what is the aforementioned app Mar 06 07:25:14 webos repair utility Mar 06 07:25:20 yes, that Mar 06 07:25:22 thanks, Kyusaku Mar 06 07:27:14 but repair utility only works with v1.3.5.1 Mar 06 07:27:40 hm... Mar 06 07:28:04 then webOSdr might be your only option Mar 06 07:28:13 thankfully it doesnt delete /media/ anymore Mar 06 07:28:23 if i wipe out Mar 06 07:28:28 wont everything still be there Mar 06 07:28:35 because it backs up to the cloud Mar 06 07:28:42 no, the themes should be gone, i would think Mar 06 07:28:52 no i mean contacts and whatnot Mar 06 07:29:10 it will get them back afterwards Mar 06 07:29:12 yeah Mar 06 07:29:17 i see.. Mar 06 07:29:20 i might just do that Mar 06 07:29:27 will it do it automatically Mar 06 07:29:28 i mean, data in /media dont get deleted from webos doctors anymore Mar 06 07:29:32 oh Mar 06 07:29:33 i see Mar 06 07:30:26 it will do it automatically once you sign into your palm profile Mar 06 07:30:48 aight Mar 06 07:30:51 im doing it now Mar 06 07:30:55 thanks guys for all the help Mar 06 07:30:58 peace Mar 06 07:31:43 rwhitby, I can't get this damn raw file to mount Mar 06 07:33:18 anyone else having an issue where capture with volume keys does not work? Mar 06 07:34:32 yeah not working here Mar 06 07:35:24 taking pictures the default way is such a fail Mar 06 07:36:33 via spacebar isn't so bad Mar 06 07:36:43 spacebar works? Mar 06 07:36:51 spacebar always worked Mar 06 07:37:05 yeah since launch Mar 06 07:37:08 it also takes pictures every second or so Mar 06 07:37:21 though, i guess in 1.4 they changed the way it did it internally Mar 06 07:37:41 lol, i never knew that the spacebar would do it Mar 06 07:38:19 acylord: it actually gives you a good grip when doing lanscaped shots Mar 06 07:40:13 and it doesnt change my ringer volume lol Mar 06 07:40:50 lol Mar 06 07:47:09 So, has anyone come to this channel with the issue where audio doesn't work in 1.4 anymore for them? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/233673-after-upgrade-no-audio-streaming-apps-work-3.html#post2283498 Mar 06 07:47:23 I know what the problem is, I'm just trying to figure out if there's a solution other than "doctor your phone" Mar 06 07:56:00 thats the ultimate solution Mar 06 07:56:04 unless you have hardware problems Mar 06 07:57:28 ughh the facebook app refuses to work for me.. "Sign in" doesn't work.. I know I'm not the only one that has this problem Mar 06 07:57:35 tried deleting and reinstalling, no luck Mar 06 07:57:46 x.facebook.com works fine though Mar 06 08:00:12 this is crap Mar 06 08:00:28 ~night Mar 06 08:00:29 G'night gkatsev, get out of here. Mar 06 08:00:33 why can't the vdmk image have a proper partition table I dunnno wtf I am doing Mar 06 08:01:33 oil: but this is happening to people that don't have a clue about doctoring, and shouldn't have to. Something is breaking for them in the 1.4 update. Mar 06 08:01:58 specificially, they are missing the package luna-media-shim (if you do a ipkg info luna-media-shim, you should have it) Mar 06 08:02:46 I don't guess there's any to recover that package other than a doctor or an 1.4 update process though Mar 06 08:05:29 yeah, i have no clue Mar 06 08:06:10 depends on how repair utility works Mar 06 09:17:07 * oil is actually redoing xblfriends app xD Mar 06 09:24:55 http://i50.tinypic.com/2e5ntib.png :) Mar 06 09:26:26 good idea. Need some competition for Windows 7 Series Phone Mobile whatever Mar 06 09:26:41 :P Mar 06 09:26:50 i thought it was more word-soupy then that Mar 06 09:26:56 like windows phone 7 series mobile Mar 06 09:26:57 or something Mar 06 09:27:14 obviously named by committee Mar 06 09:27:24 I keep feeling there's a word missing in there Mar 06 09:28:26 iPhone OS, Android, WebOS, and then there's Windows Phone Series 7 Mar 06 09:28:35 but hey, i've already got the xbox friends app out Mar 06 09:28:41 like since hte pre dropped Mar 06 09:28:43 guess they wanted to be unique Mar 06 09:28:47 im just now getting back to rewriting it Mar 06 09:29:44 good to hear, don't have an XBox so not really worth much to me Mar 06 09:29:51 yeah Mar 06 09:30:00 and i dont have a ps3 yet i get asked to make an app for it all the time Mar 06 09:30:03 lol Mar 06 09:30:07 lol Mar 06 09:30:29 is there public APIs for PSN? Mar 06 09:30:54 idk Mar 06 09:30:59 there isn't for the xbox Mar 06 09:31:01 oil: have you asked them to graciously donate a PS3 for testing purposes? Mar 06 09:31:16 but i'm in the community developer program, so i get access to the feeds Mar 06 13:04:15 sup? Mar 06 13:35:59 hey Mar 06 13:36:17 are there problems with ipkg.preware.org or is my phone acting strage? Mar 06 13:36:19 strange Mar 06 13:36:56 morning everyone Mar 06 13:37:09 swisstomcat, I'm checking mine now Mar 06 13:37:44 apparently ipkg.preware.org is down for maintenace? Mar 06 13:38:31 swisstomcat: not as far as I know Mar 06 13:38:34 like when you try to update feeds? mine appeared to work fine Mar 06 13:38:45 metaview said something like that Mar 06 13:39:31 don't want to post false rumours :) Mar 06 13:39:56 outagetracker RT @webosinternals @ChasTee Server outage is Wed !0 March, 02:00 UTC/GMT to 10:00 UTC/GMT - we're hoping for a datacenter owner to help... Mar 06 13:40:06 but today is 6th Mar 06 13:40:18 oh, rwhitby you are here :) Mar 06 13:40:24 then one should ask you :) Mar 06 13:40:33 MetaView: problem is at your end, not ipkg.preware.org Mar 06 13:40:51 i'm getting some bad address errors for ipkg.preware.org Mar 06 13:41:01 swisstomcat: that means your phone is not able to resolve DNS Mar 06 13:41:10 time for a reboot i guess Mar 06 13:41:14 yes, rwhitby have you had any luck finding someone who can mirror during that time? Mar 06 13:41:32 mjkjr|wirc: I have a possibility Mar 06 13:42:58 well that's good, if not I'm sure everyone will survive though =) Mar 06 13:46:45 rwhitby, so do you see internals possibly expanding to other OS in the future or just webos? Mar 06 13:47:44 mjkjr|wirc: I owned android-internals.org for 2 years, ran a wiki there, and nothing came of it. Mar 06 13:49:08 rwhitby, that was actually the OS I was implying. so is that idea still around or shut down? Mar 06 13:49:37 mjkjr|wirc: I allowed the domain to expire Mar 06 13:50:34 question: with the apparent ease of porting iphone games to webos .. are the iphone games based on sdl too in that case? Mar 06 13:54:08 I know nothing about the iPhone Mar 06 13:54:48 i was just wondering because everyone keeps saying how easy the porting is Mar 06 13:57:10 rwhitby: thanks, I'm shopping for a 2nd phone today for a birthday present to myself and that will greatly influence my decision. Mar 06 14:05:13 rwhitby: Just for info: I just commited my first changes: Fixed the existing libsndfile build, added libmpeg2, added libmad and added fluidsynth. They are all in the nonworking directory. Mar 06 14:17:35 iPhone games use OpenGL, not SDL Mar 06 14:19:25 maybe the PDK will ahve OpenGL support? Mar 06 14:19:56 but how to port the Objectiv-C to C? Mar 06 14:20:04 it's quite a task Mar 06 14:20:30 from what I understand most of the games are C or C++, not objective C Mar 06 14:25:37 I also thought Palm was implementing OpenGL ES, rather than OpenGL...which are supposedly not very similar at all Mar 06 14:26:19 Nevertheless, the PDK must make it pretty simple to port, or GameLoft would not be able to release games on the schedule they have been. Mar 06 14:29:14 when it comes to gaming, i don't think many of the API's on the iPhone are really objective-C based - which is a good thing for Palm Mar 06 14:30:47 Is it possible to have a postinst script in an IPK file? I added one into the control.tar.gz file but it looks like it is not executed when the IPK is installed on the Pre. Mar 06 14:44:29 kayahr: it depends how it is installed Mar 06 14:44:37 kayahr: palm-install will not run prerm or postinst Mar 06 14:44:47 kayahr: webos quick install and preware will Mar 06 14:45:13 kayahr: are you using the packaging Makefiles in preware/build.git ? Mar 06 14:48:18 rwhitby: Nope. For scummvm I'm using my own Makefile to package it. Mar 06 14:48:58 kayahr: why reinvent the wheel ;-) Mar 06 14:49:50 kayahr: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=apps/sdldoom/Makefile is an example Mar 06 14:49:51 rwhitby: I had to because I knew nothing about the first wheel :-) Mar 06 14:50:17 kayahr: there's a wheel shop at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree Mar 06 14:50:29 * xcomp wonders why a guy with the nick "idontwan2know" is asking questions Mar 06 14:50:44 I am looking for betatesters for a webos-game living in the us. You need a Pre, some time to go outside, fast mobile internet and must be able to install an ipk. Query me your e-mail adress for more information. Mar 06 14:51:14 sebastianha: is it open source? Mar 06 14:51:26 rwhitby: not decided yet Mar 06 14:52:02 well, when you need to test in australia, let me know :-) Mar 06 14:52:56 rwhitby: mmh, would be nice to know if it works there Mar 06 14:53:00 oh, hang on, I'll never be able to install it in australia anyway now that Palm has denied access to all paid and free apps outside of official release countries ... Mar 06 14:53:23 idontwan2know: opengl and opengl ES *are* very similar. Mar 06 14:54:42 kayahr: if you put in in build.git/unreleased/scummvm/Makefile, the ipkg will be built and released to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ for testing Mar 06 14:55:01 (and then moved to the real feed when it's ready for release) Mar 06 14:57:42 rwhitby: retweet please? Mar 06 14:58:54 done Mar 06 15:01:04 rwhitby: by the way, how would one hypothetically reconstruct an ipk from installed files? Mar 06 15:01:25 xcomp: pretty easily Mar 06 15:01:59 figured it shouldn't be hard Mar 06 15:02:21 xcomp: use http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils to build one from individual files (control, postinst, prerm are in the info dir) Mar 06 15:05:48 sebastianha, can this game you need tested be done on a pixi? Mar 06 15:06:22 * rwhitby bbt - night all Mar 06 15:06:44 night rwhitby Mar 06 15:07:36 * rwhitby points to http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=tree;f=src as a teaser ... Mar 06 15:08:11 hi Mar 06 15:21:02 good morning all Mar 06 15:22:02 im running webos 1.4 and previously i had the Termail 0.1.6 app which no loger works is there an update for this app Mar 06 15:22:05 ? Mar 06 15:23:07 bsdbandit, not yet Mar 06 15:23:59 bsdbandit, Termail= Terminal? Mar 06 15:24:41 oops terminal Mar 06 15:24:47 thats what i meant to say Mar 06 15:25:24 does anyone have a terminal running on webos 1.4 ? Mar 06 15:26:03 yeah, it's temporarily unusable but they are working on it. If you have a pre you could try terminus in the meantime Mar 06 15:30:18 cool Mar 06 15:30:37 how is terminus pretty cool Mar 06 15:30:38 ? Mar 06 15:34:45 im trying to find the install fr terminus anyone have it Mar 06 15:34:46 ? Mar 06 15:35:26 xcomp: I'll take your word for it. It's all greek to me. Mar 06 15:36:52 bsdbandit, in preware? I think that's where it is. however, I've never used terminus myself. Mar 06 15:38:05 oh ok i have a pre Mar 06 15:38:19 ok, that was more difficult than I hoped Mar 06 15:38:19 where can i fine preware ? Mar 06 15:38:32 root@leviticus:/media/cryptofs/apps# tar cvPzf /var/home/root/gdialpro/data.tar. Mar 06 15:38:33 is it on the wiki Mar 06 15:38:36 gz --transform 's/^.//' --show-stored-names `cat usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.nate Mar 06 15:38:39 biz.gdial-pro.list | sed 's/^/./'` Mar 06 15:40:09 lets see if my phone can take a joke. pandora+nodoze+many wirc stages Mar 06 15:41:12 +jstop. also who maintains jstop and why is there no notification area auto gc mode? Mar 06 15:41:24 bsdbandit, go to list of everything and look there I cant confirm bc I'm on a pixi Mar 06 15:41:33 oh ok Mar 06 15:41:56 zsoc_wirc: azakus does Mar 06 15:42:36 I see Mar 06 15:43:06 how does js garbage collection work exactly? what is it doing that luna/webos itself isn't accomplishing? Mar 06 15:44:06 zsoc_wirc: dumping it quicker? however my phone seems like it's doing better on it's own since update Mar 06 15:45:07 I'm not familiar with running js as a desktop environment.. is 'garbage' some standard memory leak control handling? Mar 06 15:45:34 I suppose I could lmgtfy to myself :p Mar 06 15:46:49 I don't think memory leak handling, more like dumping the trash from closed processes quicker. Mar 06 15:49:54 if you run jstop w/o auto gc on you should notice your phone doing a little better job doing it on it's own since 1.4, atleast I'm my case Mar 06 15:51:06 jstop needs to be able to do gc as background service Mar 06 15:51:14 without having to actually run jstop Mar 06 15:52:10 azakus, if you're in I've noticed that the forward gesture which usually takes you back doesn't function any longer, I'm sure you're already aware Mar 06 15:53:05 well the device should already be doing it's own in the background, jstop just seems like a way to beat the device to it. Mar 06 15:54:20 jstop makes it more on-demand doesn't it? Mar 06 15:54:54 yeah kind of what I said in different words, lol Mar 06 16:00:02 lol Mar 06 16:00:06 I love you guys Mar 06 16:00:13 infobot: I love you too Mar 06 16:00:14 You love you too? Mar 06 16:00:39 infobot: I love U2? Mar 06 16:00:40 You love U2? Mar 06 16:00:48 lol Mar 06 16:00:54 crap, you caught me Mar 06 16:00:58 infobot: I love you Mar 06 16:00:59 You love you? Mar 06 16:01:11 ~botslap Mar 06 16:01:12 * infobot whimpers Mar 06 16:01:38 infobot: respect my authority Mar 06 16:03:26 would there be a licensing problem with porting mojo widgets to elementary? Mar 06 16:05:52 as in they'd be a part of the software that is installed? Mar 06 16:07:05 don't think that's kosher Mar 06 16:15:44 hmm.. I wonder if we could somehow link them to the existing wigets with js wrapping magic Mar 06 16:16:39 zsoc_wirc: you should know that because Mar 06 16:16:42 ~zsoc Mar 06 16:16:43 somebody said zsoc was the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. He's fluent in Hungarian, and wears mc hammer pants. Mar 06 16:17:04 ~WHE Mar 06 16:17:05 [whe] a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time... Mar 06 16:18:11 mjkjr: in hungarian, 'i wonder' means 'let me go find out' Mar 06 16:18:28 lol Mar 06 16:18:30 I'm seriously considering restructuring error handling in preware. Mar 06 16:21:03 lately I've been getting getListfile error once in a while in Preware. I think that auto-delete huge package thing is deleting my palm-catalog package on reboot. Mar 06 16:21:42 Kyusaku: getListfile error is a fancy way of saying 'do a feed update silly Mar 06 16:22:06 actually, it should probably attempt to _automatically_ do a feed update on getListFile errors Mar 06 16:22:21 zsoc_wirc: sorry. For americans, 'I wonder' means something like will someone answer because 'im too lazy to go find out' lol Mar 06 16:22:25 this is the crap I'm talking about Mar 06 16:22:33 yeah it doesn't, it eventually skips the feed and loads the rest Mar 06 16:23:03 I don't have my preware updating everytime I open it Mar 06 16:23:54 which is fine, that's why the option is there, but seriously we need some error handling. is this even in the trac? I'm going to put it there Mar 06 16:25:37 when I initially installed Preware on a doctored pre Mar 06 16:25:43 I've never came across the error, but i also only access precentral and webos-internals feeds with preware. Mar 06 16:25:50 I got flooded with getListFile errors Mar 06 16:26:12 one night, while everyone is asleep, I'm going to replace preware with an identical version, but where all the objects are syntaxed as foo["bar"] instead of foo.bar Mar 06 16:26:26 amd when oil sees it his eyes will implode into black holes, destroying the earth Mar 06 16:26:40 lol Mar 06 16:27:09 Kyusaku: it probably had your config cookie saved which told it not to try to update feeds Mar 06 16:27:18 mjkjr: I only started coming across it after doctoring my pre to verify meta-doctor works for 1.4 Mar 06 16:27:47 zsoc_wirc: probably Mar 06 16:28:39 and updating feeds did fix the flood of errors, but now I get one every once in a while(almost positive after a restart) Mar 06 16:30:19 kyusaku: do you have all feeds turned on? I'd like to see if i can replicate the same error Mar 06 16:31:06 lol some guy behind is asleep face first in his notebook Mar 06 16:31:14 like face down Mar 06 16:31:23 hooray sat morning class Mar 06 16:31:35 mjkjr: let me check Mar 06 16:31:57 mjkjr: theme feeds are off Mar 06 16:32:55 rebooting now Mar 06 16:34:05 i'm going to enable palm feeds and see if i can get the same after restarting a few times Mar 06 16:39:23 hmmm yeah it seems to delete the palm-catalog package list Mar 06 16:39:54 when it tries to load palm-catalog after a restart I get the error Mar 06 16:41:48 so you got the same error again? i forgot to turn off updating feeds automatically before i restarted my device, going to turn off and restart again Mar 06 16:42:14 yeah turn of update on load Mar 06 16:42:25 only for that feed Mar 06 16:43:54 ok, switched to update feeds manually, restarting device AGAIN lol Mar 06 16:43:59 lol Mar 06 16:48:01 kyusaku, yep same error Mar 06 16:48:49 i always have catolog feeds turned off, thats why i've never came across it. Mar 06 16:50:59 understandable Mar 06 16:51:17 but not everyone will do that Mar 06 16:51:47 and I think a preware install defaults it to on Mar 06 16:52:23 Kyusaku: just to clarify. with palm feeds on and update feeds each load off, you get a single getlistfile error on load after restart? Mar 06 16:52:37 zsoc_wirc: yep Mar 06 16:52:49 when it tries to load the palm-catalog feed Mar 06 16:53:03 Kyusaku: can you verify it also happens after only a java restart (and not a full restart)? Mar 06 16:53:12 i just switched palm feeds on palm update feeds on and i get it as weell when trying to load palm catalog Mar 06 16:53:26 zsoc_wirc: sure one sec Mar 06 16:54:46 gotta update to actually have it Mar 06 16:57:01 yes be do you get the error after java restart with autoupdate off Mar 06 16:57:31 yep Mar 06 16:57:40 it happens after a java restart Mar 06 16:58:22 Kyusaku: ok, and only with the palm feed? not with, for instance, prethemer? Mar 06 16:58:23 confirmed exact error here, so a device restart will cause it as well as a java restart. Mar 06 16:58:42 zsoc_wirc: I'll have to check the theme feeds, I have them disabled Mar 06 16:59:43 I'll have to confer with rod, because what's causing the error is a fix for other issues, but te best option is probably to check for the matching config script for the missing listfile and autoupdate it Mar 06 17:03:01 zsoc_wirc: yeah I remember the update to remove the overblow package list files Mar 06 17:03:19 I get it with the palm feed for sure. So now I've enabled all feeds, updated manually, and have restarted my device to check Mar 06 17:05:07 it seemed like that issue with erroneously large files wasn't common, or atleast i never encountered it myself Mar 06 17:05:35 zsoc_wirc: yep also Prethemer feed Mar 06 17:05:57 java restart wipes it Mar 06 17:06:10 so most likely a restart will wipe it as well Mar 06 17:06:56 confirmed, i just got the same issue with prethemer and palm feeds on full restart Mar 06 17:08:24 theme feeds shouldn't be an option in preware anyways, they aren't worth the trouble. And having palm catalog feed is redundant. Maybe just get rid of them both, lol Mar 06 17:08:28 mjkjr: it wasn't common, but when it happened it was _very bad_. full device crash/battery pull. Mar 06 17:08:56 mjkjr: people like them. easiest way to search the app catalog anyway Mar 06 17:09:13 ok I'm on the move. Mar 06 17:09:21 back in maybe an hour. Mar 06 17:09:31 kk Mar 06 17:10:23 zsoc_wirc: i agree, just my personal opinions, that's why i generally keep those feeds off, i just wanted to be able to confirm the error Mar 06 17:11:20 actually, just replacing the loadfeedlists error with 'please update your feeds' may be good enough Mar 06 17:11:38 so having it delete the files on device restart or java restart is ok. it just needs a way to auto update feeds if it encounters that Mar 06 17:11:40 yeah I keep em off too.. takes an hour to load the shit Mar 06 17:11:43 zsoc_wirc: egaudet pinger Mar 06 17:12:01 zsoc_wirc: actually that would be perfect. Mar 06 17:12:05 PuffTheMagic_: I'm an egaudet pinger? Mar 06 17:12:12 no Mar 06 17:12:26 well now I am :p Mar 06 17:12:51 (ping (zsoc_wirc egaudet)) Mar 06 17:13:23 better Mar 06 17:13:38 zsoc_wirc: something as simple as changing the message to 'please update feeds' seems like the easiest fix, good idea Mar 06 17:14:05 zsoc_wirc: i never said good job with precom and mingw Mar 06 17:14:05 mjkjr: like I said, I'm going to make a trac for error handling Mar 06 17:14:40 PuffTheMagic_: ? I didn't really do anything. I just convinced eric to do it. Mar 06 17:15:00 well you both followed though where I didnt Mar 06 17:15:16 im glad that if I say things long enough someone will do it Mar 06 17:15:17 :D Mar 06 17:15:59 you only have to say it once for me to do it, if I find it intriguing. I learned a lot Mar 06 17:16:27 PuffTheMagic_: are we close enough to Cipkgservice I should not consider fixing things in JAVAipkgservice? Mar 06 17:16:27 zsoc_wirc: i was saying mingw and precom for months Mar 06 17:16:40 well I didn't hear it lol Mar 06 17:16:44 well Mar 06 17:16:52 zsoc_wirc: i don't know why i couldn't think of something simple like that for error handling, i was thinking too complex for my own good, like forcing an update on that error lol Mar 06 17:16:54 i need to be switched to libopkg Mar 06 17:17:06 s/i/it Mar 06 17:17:19 and confirmation shit needs to be added Mar 06 17:17:44 we could just skip comfirmation Mar 06 17:17:44 PuffTheMagic_: ok, so we're still a lot of testing away from working opkg then, I know rod is working on it Mar 06 17:17:55 and only let the service work with signed installers Mar 06 17:18:08 zsoc_wirc: well it works with libipkg right now Mar 06 17:18:16 so then only need confirmation support Mar 06 17:18:22 or signed installer support Mar 06 17:18:30 and some other little new things Mar 06 17:18:40 what the hell is preware ticket 17? I don't get it Mar 06 17:18:43 since i last worke don it Mar 06 17:19:28 zsoc_wirc: if you want to take the c service the rest of the way i can help where i can Mar 06 17:19:44 well actually Mar 06 17:19:50 i think i need to convert it to a plugin Mar 06 17:20:12 nah, I'm pretty much a big lazy Mar 06 17:24:16 whoa Mar 06 17:24:26 so timewarner is testing a new guide in Albany Mar 06 17:24:33 so i got a new Cisco set top Mar 06 17:24:36 DOCSIS 2.0 Mar 06 17:24:55 which seems to be allowing more BW to my modem Mar 06 17:25:07 cause i went from ~10Mb download on speedtest to ~26 Mar 06 17:25:09 coo Mar 06 17:25:15 lucky you Mar 06 17:26:01 i don't even like to test my connection speed on mobile broadband, it makes me hate myself for the price i pay Mar 06 17:39:32 Anyone having issues with streaming on 1.4? Mar 06 17:39:47 no Mar 06 17:40:00 Pandora, drPodder, sprint tv. Mar 06 17:40:15 I cant get any streaming to work, i checked that the service is running, Mar 06 17:40:21 I use ÜberRadio and it works Mar 06 17:40:23 that media one - can't remember the name. Mar 06 17:40:35 i stopped it and started it. hard boot, etc. nogo. Mar 06 17:40:40 i guess i'll doctor it Mar 06 17:41:08 i just can't get the 1.4 doctor to recognise the pre Mar 06 17:41:20 1.351 does if its in USB mode, Mar 06 17:41:25 1.4 doctor doesnt Mar 06 17:44:00 HobbyBoy: hold up on boot with usb plugged in? Mar 06 17:44:25 yes, got the giant usb logo on screen, Mar 06 17:44:38 1.4 times out. 1.35.1 dr sees it Mar 06 17:45:06 i just don't want to dr 1.3.5.1, then over air upgrade, want to go direct to 1.4 Mar 06 17:45:18 odd. I'm curious as to the real problem Mar 06 17:45:26 try redownloading the doctor Mar 06 17:45:38 thats what i was thinging too. Mar 06 17:45:43 i'll do that. Mar 06 17:45:45 thanks Mar 06 18:12:43 crap, just missed HobbyBoy. Really wanted to chat with somebody else having streaming issues on 1.4. Oh well. Mar 06 18:51:04 oh wow Mar 06 18:51:15 and it looks like Microsoft did what I said they should do for WinMo7 Mar 06 18:51:41 make it easy to compile for it using Visual Studio so you can just have mostly unified code for win/xbox/phone Mar 06 19:06:14 psykoz: should've joined the patent party and get a lawsuit going. Mar 06 19:24:44 hi. i'm trying to install preware on my new palm pre. im not quite sure which one of the directions to follow. any help? Mar 06 19:25:30 charli: get webos quick install Mar 06 19:25:32 should i follow webos install quick guide Mar 06 19:25:36 ok Mar 06 19:25:59 charli, there is also http://get.preware.org/ - is this any good ? Mar 06 19:26:17 that also works Mar 06 19:26:24 i'm stuck on step 2 which says run webos quick install . where is that? Mar 06 19:26:40 ok i'll try that site if it's easier thanks Mar 06 19:26:56 charli: are you on windows? if so, the preware installer will work. Mar 06 19:27:23 yes Mar 06 19:27:46 do i download it to my computer then my phone or do i download it directly to my phone??? Mar 06 19:28:18 you download the exe to your computer, connect your phone then run the exe file Mar 06 19:29:54 should i download the .jar or the .exe? Mar 06 19:30:33 the exe Mar 06 19:30:44 ok thanks Mar 06 19:32:00 my computer doesnt seem to recognize my phone when i try to use it as a drive in usb mode. any suggestions on that? i figure because its an older computer Mar 06 19:34:35 reboot the PC and check the cable. reboot the pre for good measure :p Mar 06 19:34:49 ok thx Mar 06 19:41:18 why do the directions say to put your phone in charge mode? shouldnt the phone be in usb mode?? Mar 06 19:58:54 charli, no - just follow the directions Mar 06 20:02:07 hey -- I don't know much about the usb standard, but I'm curious, would it be physically possible to get the pre to run as a usb host controller? Mar 06 20:03:07 it should be illegal to sell a palm phone with a non-touchstone back Mar 06 20:03:13 they are hideous Mar 06 20:03:28 ghost_of_zsoc: and smaller? Mar 06 20:03:57 smaller in what way? Mar 06 20:04:06 they are slightly thinner Mar 06 20:04:12 ... Mar 06 20:04:33 the touchstone back is thicker Mar 06 20:05:31 I can get my micrometer out, but I just put them side by side and there is zero difference Mar 06 20:06:40 whatever, I think its thicker ;) Mar 06 20:07:02 it's less than 1/10 of 1mm Mar 06 20:07:28 it is thicker :) Mar 06 20:07:30 it's heavier also Mar 06 20:07:48 and has a grip that allows you to actually hold your phone :p Mar 06 20:08:03 it's a good thing I don't have a strong opinion about it Mar 06 20:08:37 "it should be illegal [...]" -------------^ Mar 06 20:09:07 michaelb: your sarcasm detection is impressive Mar 06 20:09:33 and doesn't fingerprint Mar 06 20:09:47 zsoc: my sarcasm detection doesn't fingerprint? Mar 06 20:09:54 erm sdodson* Mar 06 20:10:08 .. the touchstone back doesn't fingerprint Mar 06 20:10:16 michaelb: no, the back of a touchstone doesn't get all smudgey Mar 06 20:10:20 LETS ALL MAKE SENSIBLE SPEECH TALKING Mar 06 20:12:20 hm, though seriously, do you guys know anything about whether the port on a device like a pre could physically function as a usb host? 'cause that would be beyond awesome (ie, usb keyboards, monitors, printers, hells yeah) Mar 06 20:13:19 michaelb: I believe destinal has done the most work on hidd/usb host Mar 06 20:14:39 * zsoc puts the 'no girls allowed' sign up in front of his fort Mar 06 20:15:42 Hey whats up anyone know where a guide to save your messages and call log before doctor is at ??? Mar 06 20:16:31 afaik just back up PalmDatabase.db3 (or something like that) Mar 06 20:16:55 yeah, search for PalmDatabase.db3 on the forum I think and you'll find something Mar 06 20:17:01 ok thanks Mar 06 20:17:23 it used to be in /var/luna/data/dbdata, but it may have moved to the new root Mar 06 20:17:37 or just find / | grep -i palmdatabase Mar 06 20:18:15 also I need to learn how to _actually_ use the find utility, instead of just piping it to grep Mar 06 20:18:18 hahah Mar 06 20:18:22 I was about to comment on that... Mar 06 20:18:27 it'd be find -iname palmdatabase Mar 06 20:18:43 find / -name "palmdatabase"\\ ? Mar 06 20:18:47 or close lol Mar 06 20:18:56 ah Mar 06 20:19:08 more than 1 way to skin a cat Mar 06 20:19:22 which is actually quite disgusting when you think about it Mar 06 20:19:28 find / -iname palmdatabase Mar 06 20:20:00 and yes, it is a gross and offensive metaphor, especially to cats (and 4chan) Mar 06 20:20:21 please help. i keep getting error message that navacom cant be found on my computer. how do i get it? Mar 06 20:20:36 install the palm sdk Mar 06 20:20:48 ok where is that? Mar 06 20:21:29 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788 Mar 06 20:21:32 what do you need it for? Mar 06 20:21:54 ok found it Mar 06 20:23:36 charli: if you're using wosqi, there is an option to reinstall novacom Mar 06 20:24:04 * zsoc can't wait till precom is the standard windows installer Mar 06 20:30:34 does webos-internals have links for 1.4 doctor for sprint?? Mar 06 20:31:08 precentral posted links in a news story a little bit ago I know Mar 06 20:31:34 ok Mar 06 20:32:03 havent been keeping up programming class is taking all my time up lol Mar 06 20:37:08 cs classes can do that Mar 06 20:43:41 is there a new way to doctor with aupt now? like should i do a partial erase or anything else? Mar 06 21:15:48 hey, can anyone help me with novacom? Mar 06 21:21:17 think i've got it now, thanks Mar 06 22:12:47 Are there any hacks out there yet to use your Pre as a wifi USB drive? Mar 06 22:45:27 hey, i don't suppose there's a way i can create a custom WebOS Doctor .jar file? i just need to change one of the files inside it Mar 06 22:45:50 Does it do a CRC check? Mar 06 22:46:18 I mean, it's just a typical Java .jar file, right? Open it w/ zip? Mar 06 22:46:38 well i can uncompress it yeah, and have the directory structure with all the files i want Mar 06 22:46:49 but i cant get that back into a functioning .jar file i can use to flash the pre Mar 06 22:46:58 Ahhh Mar 06 22:47:15 You don't know how to build a jar, or you do, and nothing happens? Mar 06 22:47:40 erm, i havent tried, would i be able to just build it like compiling? Mar 06 22:49:08 i'll have a go though, see what happens Mar 06 22:49:38 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/jar/build.html Mar 06 22:51:04 thanks, just following that now Mar 06 22:51:28 im on windows, and i have the java SDK installed...should "jar" be a valid command at command prompt? Mar 06 22:51:38 Yes Mar 06 22:51:49 okay, well its not :/ Mar 06 22:51:56 java -jar is the command in linux Mar 06 22:52:05 erm, nevermind, didn't read the backlog Mar 06 22:52:08 Then add the path to your java bin dir. Mar 06 22:53:14 java -jar doesnt seem to be a command in windows either Mar 06 22:53:36 bah Mar 06 22:54:49 okay, so maybe i need the proper JDK, sorry hang on Mar 06 22:54:50 Then you need to add the path to your jre to your environment. Mar 06 22:55:18 that bit is okay, "java" is a valid command, i think i just have the wrong 'package' Mar 06 22:55:19 Sorry, jdk, not jre Mar 06 22:55:27 Ahh Mar 06 22:55:36 just downloading now Mar 06 23:09:04 okay yeah, as suspected, that wont work :P missing all the class manifest stuff Mar 06 23:12:08 i'll have to take the long way round, thanks for the help, bye! Mar 06 23:29:02 okay, another question, is there anyway i can novacom into the pre without a working webos/developer mode? Mar 06 23:29:17 Not likely. Mar 06 23:29:25 Ignore that, I have no clue. Mar 06 23:29:34 okay thanks Mar 06 23:29:41 well i've tried all i can think of Mar 06 23:29:57 its just at the first time login, asking to sign into palm profile Mar 06 23:30:14 and i cant cos i dont have internet Mar 06 23:30:40 i'll just have to doctor it to 1.3.5.2, OTA update to 1.4.0, then replace the modem firmware, long process Mar 06 23:45:41 Why not doctor to 1.4? Mar 06 23:51:14 ive been doing a lot of research on how to save the db where all the phone calls history log, txt msgs history, etc (all data that is not saved on the palm's profile user acct) and im so confused, i found this site on one of the sites i visited as a resource. could i find this kind of tech assistance here or is this for something else? Mar 06 23:54:12 Good luck :) Mar 06 23:54:23 Have you looked at the db wiki? Mar 06 23:55:24 http://c0deba.be/blog/?p=72 Mar 06 23:55:45 http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database#SQL_Overview Mar 06 23:56:07 thx! yes i found different instructions all very complicated and kind of contradicting. the several i found on wiki are kind of related but confusing. some say that i need to root the phone and some say that i dont need to. u c why my confusion? Mar 06 23:56:32 Root the phone? You mean put it in developer mode? Mar 06 23:58:02 honestly thats where my confusion begins. i dont know what they mean by that. if they mean to put it on dev mode why not say just that? Mar 06 23:58:16 Hehehe Mar 06 23:58:57 couldnt i just do it via the quick install? why does it say that i have to root the phone? Mar 06 23:59:15 Quick install doesn't require the phone to be in Dev mode? Mar 06 23:59:22 I did not know that. I'm very new. Mar 07 00:01:56 You need Developer Mode on or WebOSQI won't see it. Mar 07 00:02:41 i think it does but there are other apps like the preware ot the filecoaster that allow u to download & install apps without having to be on dev mode Mar 07 00:05:17 but the issue is not that. it is that i need to save the info i mentioned above before i reset the ohone and return it so i can add it to the replacement phone once activated. i was wondering if there was an easier way that didnt involve rooting which is where i get stuck. i tried following instructions on some of the pages i found but i kept getting stuck like i was missing something. Mar 07 00:05:55 You can use webOSQI to do it. There is a send/receive file function. Mar 07 00:06:08 as simple as that? Mar 07 00:06:42 I do believe so. It's just a single .db file, correct? I think the path and filename is someone in one of the Wikis. You'd use the receive file function and put the full path/filename in to save the file. Mar 07 00:06:57 Once you get the new one, you'd use the send function and put in the path (not the filename). Mar 07 00:09:23 i knew there had to be a much simple way. some of the instructions i found were ridiculous! check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDOeIr4C93o&NR=1 Mar 07 00:10:05 it appears to be this file: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File Mar 07 00:10:07 "rooting" isn't necessary anymore w/ the great tools out there. :) Mar 07 00:10:51 That's the one. Mar 07 00:11:00 In your receive box, you'd put /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 Mar 07 00:11:09 In your send box, you'd but /var/luna/data/dbdata/ Mar 07 00:11:09 i thought so! thats why i was going crazy with it. all i found had the rooting as step #1 and it was too complicated for me and my tech level Mar 07 00:11:31 Nope, just get it in Dev Mode and use webOS Quick Install to do whatever else you'd like. Mar 07 00:14:07 what about all the apps & twaks i installed via the WOSQI and preware or filecoaster? r those saved on palm's profile backup like the rest do or will i have to re-do all those after i activate the new phone? Mar 07 00:15:25 You'll have to re-do all of those. Mar 07 00:16:14 so what happens when i try to put the palmdb.db4 file on the replacement phone? will it overwrite the existing one or will it simply merge with it adding the data that's missing from it? Mar 07 00:16:48 ohh really?? isnt there a way to save al those as well like with the db3 file? Mar 07 00:19:38 It will overwrite the existing one. Mar 07 00:21:07 rwhitby: ping Mar 07 00:21:14 ka6sox-work: ping Mar 07 00:22:22 sweet!!! thx so much cardshark! Mar 07 00:23:25 is there a way to back up the apps and tweaks as well? is there a tool that would do such a thing? Mar 07 00:24:55 what about the internalz app, or|and with the filemgr service? Mar 07 00:26:02 the internalz has everything in it. isnt there a way to back it up with its contents and then somehow transfer it to the new phone? or something to that effect... Mar 07 00:26:31 rwhitby: would you be able to tell me how to clear /usr/local on an nslu without serial/jtag? Mar 07 00:27:02 prepre: probably, but the more apps/tools, the more file locations and the more of a PITA. =D Mar 07 00:28:15 sorry..., i dont understand what u meant by that... what do u mean? what's PITA? Mar 07 00:28:36 PITA=Pain In The A Mar 07 00:28:56 ohhhhhh... ;) Mar 07 00:30:23 i just want to avoid having to customize it all over again! if the internalz is a mirror of my phone's contents i figured i could just use it to avoid having to do it all over again, u know? Mar 07 00:30:35 how would u do it if it were u? Mar 07 00:43:14 Is this +saurik the same as the cydia guy? Mar 07 01:15:32 chatty bunch. Mar 07 01:49:58 morning Mar 07 01:51:01 hey Mar 07 01:55:00 Does anyone know where I can find custom roms or firmware or software for the pre Mar 07 01:56:19 Guest24152: no, cause custom ROMS would be a violation of copyright. Please see the topic. You can use the WebOS Internals Meta-Doctor to create your own customised webos doctor as an end user, but not redistribute the output. Mar 07 01:56:32 custom software?, well you're already using wirc, doesn't get more custom then that :) Mar 07 01:56:58 and yeah, all the custom software is available in one place in Preware Mar 07 01:57:06 im waiting for new version of wirc with nicer gui ;) Mar 07 01:57:23 Idk how to make my own and I'm just used to being able to get custom roms Mar 07 01:57:53 ... just used to violating copyright laws ... Mar 07 01:58:19 lol Mar 07 01:58:36 en0x, chop chop, get to it Mar 07 01:58:41 :) Mar 07 01:58:52 ive seen ur mockup Mar 07 01:58:57 i can do css+html Mar 07 01:59:03 but no javascript for me Mar 07 01:59:14 what exactly is there to customize that can't be accomplished through preware or meta-doctor Mar 07 01:59:17 en0x: js is easy Mar 07 01:59:35 Kyusaku: usually "custom" means warez ... Mar 07 01:59:50 boo warez Mar 07 01:59:54 boo I say Mar 07 01:59:58 you know, i was all ready to do that new home screen for wirc Mar 07 02:00:07 gkatsev, i'm not sayin it isn't I just didnt got into it :) Mar 07 02:00:10 but then started rewriting my xbox app Mar 07 02:00:12 well, apparently, there are ipks floating around of some paid apps. but they are not easily accessible like iphone apps. Mar 07 02:00:22 oil, that's what i was talking about :) Mar 07 02:00:23 en0x: you should. Mar 07 02:00:36 I've gotten so hooked on that dungeon hunter game from gameloft Mar 07 02:00:40 gkatsev, i like to play with django ;) Mar 07 02:00:50 python is also good Mar 07 02:00:50 gkatsev: there are a number of underground feeds containing webOS warez Mar 07 02:01:28 really? Mar 07 02:01:40 we just don't include them default in preware, lol Mar 07 02:01:45 lame Mar 07 02:01:55 if you wish to add the feed, thats your deal Mar 07 02:02:01 but we won't be handing it out Mar 07 02:02:18 lame to existence not to not being included Mar 07 02:02:23 or telling anyone where they are in this channel :-) Mar 07 02:02:33 lol Mar 07 02:02:35 google time ;] Mar 07 02:02:41 well its in chinese, right? Mar 07 02:02:48 lol Mar 07 02:04:19 speaking of chinese I need to figure out that justinput mod and try to get it working for Japanese input Mar 07 02:04:56 oil: google.com/translate ftw Mar 07 02:05:00 lol Mar 07 02:05:15 just sayin Mar 07 02:05:44 I think that's enough clues for anyone ..., just sayin ;-) Mar 07 02:06:04 yeah Mar 07 02:06:15 even without that... Mar 07 02:06:21 is there a way to install ssh to pre without putting in in dev mode? Mar 07 02:06:28 and also we know that terminal is not working Mar 07 02:06:34 install preware then openssh Mar 07 02:06:34 probably i should use terminus Mar 07 02:06:35 hmm Mar 07 02:06:44 i have preware already Mar 07 02:06:51 i should hope so Mar 07 02:06:58 then install the openssh server packages Mar 07 02:07:00 * mjkjr came across one of those sites, hmmm Mar 07 02:07:09 gkatsev, and thats it? :> Mar 07 02:07:18 en0x: something like tha Mar 07 02:07:19 t Mar 07 02:07:21 simpler then even using that bootstrap script :D Mar 07 02:07:25 you need some sort of command line access to the Pre to set up the keys for openssh. Mar 07 02:07:38 (otherwise you get an iPhone worm scenario) Mar 07 02:07:43 who need keys when u can use password :p Mar 07 02:08:01 en0x: who needs passwords when you can use keys? Mar 07 02:08:07 en0x: keys are much stronger and safer Mar 07 02:08:07 ok, you need some sort of command line access to the Pre to modify the upstart script to accept passwords then. Mar 07 02:08:39 terminus time then Mar 07 02:08:47 rwhitby: the openssh packages in preware are setup to only accept keys by default? Mar 07 02:09:05 the basic fact is that you need command line access to set up an openssh server, cause we have no other GUI way to initialise the authentication token (whether it be keys or passwords) which is immune from rogue webOS app tampering. Mar 07 02:09:11 gkatsev: correct. Mar 07 02:09:20 cool Mar 07 02:09:37 root, port 22, wifi, keys. Mar 07 02:09:49 ah, it was changed back to port 22? Mar 07 02:10:29 yep, with keys as default that's secure enough. no need to obsfucate the port too (and cause major support hassles for everyone) Mar 07 02:10:31 there was that bootstrap-ssh somewhere that will ask uu few questions to setup ssh Mar 07 02:11:02 en0x: it still exists, just not recommended Mar 07 02:15:23 hmm Mar 07 02:19:20 cool, finally got it working. Mar 07 02:19:29 is ssh over evdo disabled by default as well? Mar 07 02:20:13 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs install appname? Mar 07 02:23:13 nice luna just crashed on internalz Mar 07 02:23:56 en0x: /media/cryptofs/apps, and go and delete the /media/cryptofs/usr tree you just erroneously created. Mar 07 02:25:12 * mjkjr found the most interesting site with all sorts of neat things =) It would really interest people outside the US Mar 07 02:26:15 that which is not spoken of ... Mar 07 02:29:08 terminus is crashing luna is this known? Mar 07 02:30:37 of course Mar 07 02:31:22 terminal crashing webos is known Mar 07 02:55:47 Terminal yes, Terminus works fine for me in 1.4 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 07 02:59:57 2010