**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 07 02:59:57 2010 Mar 07 03:15:12 i had web browser open and then I opened terminus and my luna crashed Mar 07 03:15:36 same thing if you have preware open and u installing some app and on second card u have terminus Mar 07 03:21:18 Knock on wood, I had 4 on thursday but now I haven't had a luna crash in about 36 hours. it's so random Mar 07 03:43:06 * oil always lol's when he sees a wIRCer join Mar 07 03:53:53 oil, why? Mar 07 03:55:16 because? Mar 07 03:55:37 oh i see Mar 07 03:56:56 who ever made wirc is the shit Mar 07 03:57:07 lol Mar 07 03:57:12 ha Mar 07 03:57:31 mjkjr: you mean that in the good way, right? lol Mar 07 03:57:47 s/shit/WHE Mar 07 03:57:54 is the, is different then just is Mar 07 03:58:03 I think said "is the" but really meant "is" only ;) Mar 07 03:58:08 I think he said* Mar 07 03:58:20 lol i think i meant they deserve big props Mar 07 03:58:34 you think? Mar 07 03:58:37 ;) that's not reassuring Mar 07 03:58:38 ~stab psykoz Mar 07 03:58:40 * infobot runs at psykoz with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Mar 07 03:58:51 that shit will never heal! Mar 07 03:59:06 ooh, paper cuts. they suck Mar 07 03:59:10 see Mar 07 03:59:17 I actually know someone who has a papercut on their eyeball Mar 07 03:59:22 ~lick oil Mar 07 03:59:22 and those actually never fully heal Mar 07 03:59:22 wtf Mar 07 03:59:23 * infobot licks oil *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Mar 07 03:59:33 psykoz: how? Mar 07 03:59:34 so every now and then it reopens and sucks Mar 07 03:59:34 on the eye though? Mar 07 03:59:43 "look at this paper.... no, closer!" Mar 07 03:59:48 lol Mar 07 03:59:50 ha ha Mar 07 03:59:55 lol Mar 07 04:00:03 or was it a paper airplane crash? Mar 07 04:00:09 reenacting 911 Mar 07 04:00:09 :) Mar 07 04:00:16 he was hte building Mar 07 04:00:25 I got on wirc just to show how awesome it is Mar 07 04:00:56 lol Mar 07 04:05:11 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.systemservice/setPreferences.... Are the preferences stored in the PalmDatabase.db3? If so, what table? Mar 07 04:07:27 random, can the pre play avi or only mp4 Mar 07 04:09:22 * oil has no idea on both questions Mar 07 04:11:20 * mjkjr will just have to try and find out then Mar 07 04:14:34 I love how Palm's documentation gives me the parameters for the methods and talks about the various keys I can get/set, but doesn't point me to a list of what keys are available... Mar 07 04:26:06 why when I type: http://192.168.0.69:8080 when on wifi do i get a "unable to loade page" "error loading page. [115]" ? Mar 07 04:26:37 Anythign listening on that IP? Mar 07 04:33:01 CardShark, yes Mar 07 04:33:12 can view the address fine from all computers on network Mar 07 04:33:44 think something wrong with my phone and local addresses? Mar 07 04:34:10 Let me try one of my locals... Mar 07 04:35:52 OK, it worked. Let me try one using a different port number. Mar 07 04:36:55 CardShark, doesn't even work for me without a port number... :( Mar 07 04:37:09 and I have 80 serving too. Mar 07 04:38:23 Worked good for me. Mar 07 04:38:30 hmm Mar 07 04:39:03 And your WiFi is on, and you have connectivity? Mar 07 04:49:26 CardShark, sorry was afk. yes and yes Mar 07 04:49:40 even tried disabling data on my pre and still Mar 07 04:50:12 =/ Sorry, I'm at a loss. Mar 07 04:51:11 CardShark, think webosdoctor would do the trick of fixing it? Mar 07 04:52:16 You could always try... it's odd that you can get to other sites while on WiFi, but not your own. Is there some funky routing in your AP? Have you ever been able to access hat URL? Mar 07 04:53:26 CardShark, never tried accessing local addresses before. No funk routing in AP. Tried two different AP's... Mar 07 04:54:56 Well, a visit to the Dr. may fix whatever is causing it but I can't think of what would be doing it on the Pre side. Mar 07 04:56:26 huh. I'll try when the GF get's here maybe hers works... Mar 07 04:56:45 thx ne way CardShark Mar 07 04:57:03 Good luck. Mar 07 05:05:54 actually I have been able to access local network stuff in the past Mar 07 05:06:13 tested a Boxee webserver remote Mar 07 05:08:04 I can access fine as well. Not sure what's going on in timboy's land. Mar 07 05:15:04 is it possible to launch a launchpoint using the palm://com.palm.applicationManager i can launch apps but how about launchpoints Mar 07 06:54:39 * rwhitby wonders what a launchpoint is ... Mar 07 06:58:17 * halfhalo_desk has no idea Mar 07 07:00:08 * halfhalo_desk is debating whether to push this version of his app into the beta catalog Mar 07 07:12:02 a launchpoint is an icon in the launcher Mar 07 07:12:12 that launches an app with certain parameters Mar 07 07:12:37 it is how the calendar app changes icons every day based on day of the month Mar 07 07:12:53 the default launchpoint id for each app is _default Mar 07 07:13:06 right Mar 07 07:13:39 com.palm.applicationManager/listLaunchPoints {} Mar 07 10:10:22 RFC: Package Manager Service merged into Preware - http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326 Mar 07 13:20:42 Sorry for the question that likely gets asked a lot, but does preware work on the pixi (Sprint, 1.4) Mar 07 13:40:38 ~seen rwhitby Mar 07 13:40:41 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 375 messages. Is idling for 3h 30m 19s, last said: 'RFC: Package Manager Service merged into Preware - http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326'. Mar 07 14:08:33 Long time no see Mar 07 15:26:40 anybody could help compiling WIDK? Mar 07 15:33:19 anybody here? Mar 07 15:34:48 * AnOutsider raises hand Mar 07 15:34:55 not that I'd necessarily be able to help Mar 07 15:37:24 hi there, thanks for replying, I thought I'd see a lot of activity given the number of members, but I guess everybody is sleeping still? Mar 07 15:38:29 [; Mar 07 18:01:24 anyone remember off the top of their head where the battery/power info is in /sys? Mar 07 18:01:41 i had a cronjob that used to report it, but it's months old and mia. Mar 07 18:04:44 dreadchicken: if you are using proc , it is in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info Mar 07 18:05:15 bah, wrong fs...no wonder i couldn't find it, off to proc...thx airmack Mar 07 18:05:38 dreadchicken: but recently it got moved to sys Mar 07 18:05:46 depending on your kernel Mar 07 18:05:54 oh, i'm 1.4. Mar 07 18:07:51 airmack, Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 281.1.15 armv7l unknown Mar 07 18:13:50 airmack, /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/32-000840519b32 Mar 07 18:32:39 but iirc that device could change or something like that, maybe have to wildcard it to /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/32* or some such. Mar 07 19:09:30 hi Mar 07 19:10:21 how can I simulate the install process for a packet in unreleased stream without creating a new tag for each try and waiting until it arrives in the feed? Mar 07 19:20:04 First time here so sorry if this is a newbie question but how do you download the alpha version of preware and the package manager service? Mar 07 20:16:38 if the charge by default patch is on, how can one still enter USB drive mode? Mar 07 20:17:14 It still leaves you the option to change in the notification area Mar 07 20:17:28 just takes away a button press when it normally gives u the option to just charge or to put in usb Mar 07 20:17:31 something like orange-sym-u if I remember right Mar 07 20:17:38 and that. Mar 07 20:17:59 but u can still use the touchscreen to put it in usb, just autoselects charging first for you Mar 07 20:18:03 orange sym u is a no go Mar 07 20:18:27 touchstone isn't hooked up to computer Mar 07 20:18:38 try restarting ur phone and computer Mar 07 20:18:44 sometimes the driver gets screwey Mar 07 20:18:47 now that I have hooked up the pre to the computer i need to get to usb mode Mar 07 20:18:50 i wont be doing that Mar 07 20:19:23 i guess i'll just be doing SCO Mar 07 20:19:24 SCP Mar 07 20:20:25 are you on touchstone, not direct plugged in the side? Mar 07 20:20:45 because you can't move data that way Mar 07 20:24:34 no i'm directly on usb to computer Mar 07 20:25:09 ok got it finally Mar 07 20:27:02 hi JayCanuck Mar 07 20:27:07 any progress? Mar 07 20:27:09 hi meta Mar 07 20:27:30 I'm working on a revised read/write class that should be more reliable Mar 07 20:28:14 ok Mar 07 20:28:31 I can't even send the gpx file as string by email Mar 07 20:28:41 calling the email will lead to a timeout Mar 07 20:28:48 it's 1100 pnts Mar 07 20:38:31 Do you guys have a forums or FAQ before I ask a question? Mar 07 20:49:18 webos-internals.org and we use the forums at precentral.net Mar 07 20:49:48 and preware.org if you're looking for faqs that are preware specific Mar 07 20:57:45 Is virtual keyboard broken on WebOS 1.3.5.1? tried reinstalling with no luck. Palm Pre Plus as well. Mar 07 21:11:47 morning Mar 07 21:36:41 so i assume someone would have complained--the addition of python to crosscompile.git, that builds for others? :) Mar 07 21:36:51 I'd ask about x, but since it doesn't work I doubt many have tried it Mar 07 21:37:03 (and it's in /nonworking accordingly) Mar 07 21:39:24 alright well I'll take the silence now and that since I committed it as confirmation I didn't break builds for everyone Mar 07 21:39:55 reason I ask is I have a bud working on this with me and python won't build for him.. so just wanna confirm not polluting our codebase :) Mar 07 21:49:44 dtzWill: dunno, haven't tried it lately Mar 07 22:15:44 ipkg3.preware.org is now online - this will be the mirror to cover the outage on Wed Mar 07 22:19:00 heh Mar 07 22:19:09 anyone else having a lot of trouble opening calendar since 1.4? Mar 07 22:24:34 rwhitby: fair enough, thanks for the response Mar 07 22:30:30 anyone seen errors about sb2-build-libtool failing to run when doing the sb2-init deal? Mar 07 22:30:38 trying to debug this for somoene else.... might send him here shortly :) Mar 07 22:46:23 So, who has been alpha testing Preware ? Mar 07 22:47:16 this guy. Mar 07 22:50:52 what is left and right in vi with no arrow keys? Mar 07 22:51:11 h and j ? Mar 07 22:51:13 or k and l Mar 07 22:52:37 bpadalino: ty Mar 07 22:52:45 no problemo Mar 07 22:59:55 rwhitby: do I have a chance to test the installation out of the feed without actually creating a new tag and waiting for you to create the feed? Mar 07 23:00:24 installing the ipk using WOQI isn't the same, right? Mar 07 23:03:53 MetaView: installing with wosqi should work Mar 07 23:05:06 yes, installing with wosqi works, but not from the feed Mar 07 23:11:09 git.webos-internals.org not known, hm Mar 07 23:14:02 MetaView: git.webos-internals.org is working here Mar 07 23:14:06 woot. Made a custom windows send-to command for my pre Mar 07 23:14:17 MetaView: you can add the testing feed as a custom feed in WOSQI Mar 07 23:14:24 gerr, making dashboard scenes are so complicated Mar 07 23:14:30 I can right click on ipk files->send to-> Pre to send them to my pre using palm-install Mar 07 23:15:25 OK, now the mirror situation for the outage is covered, I can get back to the ipkgservice rewrite ... Mar 07 23:18:17 * rwhitby bbl Mar 07 23:18:47 anddd..... now I can just double click to install Pre applications Mar 07 23:32:07 ok, createStageWithCallbacks totally isn't a command Mar 07 23:32:11 there's 15 minutes gone Mar 07 23:32:45 lol Mar 07 23:32:59 thats more productive than what I have been doing with my time though Mar 07 23:33:29 well, jstop 0.2.0 will have true background garbage collection Mar 07 23:33:40 testing the dashboard scene Mar 07 23:34:34 Im spending my time on stupid stiff Mar 07 23:34:36 stuff Mar 07 23:34:54 like assinging a picture to .ipk files so they look purdy when I install them Mar 07 23:36:32 I FIXED X Mar 07 23:36:42 i know you were all wondering, damn I wish someone would fix that Mar 07 23:36:50 damn whoever does that should post here excited about it Mar 07 23:36:54 well think that no more! Mar 07 23:37:01 Mar 07 23:37:10 wait, what was broken? Mar 07 23:37:15 * dtzWill coughs and looks around Mar 07 23:37:19 >_> Mar 07 23:37:27 oh it didn't render properly at all Mar 07 23:39:11 alright, almost there Mar 07 23:39:24 huh, serviceRequest lives only in a scenecontroller Mar 07 23:40:04 brb testing if my icon works Mar 07 23:44:11 awwwww Mar 07 23:44:14 It didn't work Mar 07 23:45:03 what makes jstop garbage different from built into the OS? Mar 07 23:45:10 doesnt luna do its own collection Mar 07 23:46:09 FuMan2: it does, but sometimes you want to do it right now, manually Mar 07 23:46:30 right Mar 07 23:46:31 I'm just calling the systemwide garbage collector Mar 07 23:46:38 ah Mar 07 23:46:47 so would it just increase that "sometimes" interval Mar 07 23:46:50 when running in bgmode/ Mar 07 23:46:58 to every 5 minutes for now Mar 07 23:47:39 hrm, well, rock on Mar 07 23:48:50 anyone play with device stage for the pre? Mar 07 23:48:54 seems to be important to people running sprint pres Mar 07 23:53:34 rwhitby: ping Mar 07 23:57:25 sooo.... thats a no on device stage.... Mar 07 23:58:12 not i :> Mar 07 23:58:21 awww Mar 07 23:58:30 It looks very confusing Mar 07 23:58:38 but would be so awesome to have Mar 08 00:25:03 jacques: got X11 rendering correctly \o/ Mar 08 00:26:01 x11!!! Mar 08 00:26:06 * FuMan2 doesnt know what that is Mar 08 00:26:37 FuMan2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System Mar 08 00:28:31 dtzWill, excellent! how did you do it? Mar 08 00:28:50 jacques: it's kinda embaressingly simple once I figured it out :/ Mar 08 00:29:01 oh? :-) Mar 08 00:29:04 jacques: haha but these things often are hehe. also I have a habit of making things unnecessarily complicated Mar 08 00:29:20 but simple is good and simple means it's more likely to work... if it's the right kinda simple Mar 08 00:29:23 anyway Mar 08 00:29:40 it appears SDL_Init was getting called in a different thread than the rest--it wasn't the select at all, that was a red herring. Mar 08 00:30:16 jacques: the select code is what would end up calling a handler that called SDL_PollEvents which in turn called SDL_PumpEvents... which long story short gets grumpy when you call it on the wrong thread Mar 08 00:30:49 frankly I haven't traced how it was on a different thread (I rather thought x was single threaded, although maybe I'm wrong), but as a sanity check I migrated some pieces of code and voila Mar 08 00:31:28 dtzWill, wow. yeah I also thought kdrive was single-threaded Mar 08 00:31:42 dtzWill, did you commit it yet? :-D :-D Mar 08 00:32:15 well I don't have a repo on webos-internals for it yet Mar 08 00:32:18 i've been using my own setup Mar 08 00:32:18 heck it took me a while the other night to just find X's definition of Select() Mar 08 00:32:26 which isn't publicly readable ...yet Mar 08 00:32:33 but it probably belongs hosted on webos-internals regardless Mar 08 00:33:02 and a good question to think about after we get X going Mar 08 00:33:08 some of the X libs (which kdrive depends on) can be configured to use poll() and some cannot Mar 08 00:33:26 is, well I have my own ideas for it (We're doing some crazy project with it), but as far as the general webos community goes Mar 08 00:33:27 and it looks like kdrive itself uses Select() defined to select() Mar 08 00:33:34 yes, agreed Mar 08 00:33:42 but the question is what do we do with this? Mar 08 00:33:48 package up a general x server thing? Mar 08 00:34:00 ship some touchscreen-friendly set of apps, etc? haha Mar 08 00:34:07 oh the possibilities :) Mar 08 00:34:26 good news is the server is relatively light-eight Mar 08 00:34:28 *light-weight Mar 08 00:34:38 well, part of the fun of a project like this is, if we don't want to worry about that, we don't have to - ppl will find their own uses for it Mar 08 00:34:46 absolutely Mar 08 00:35:01 i think i could see myself putting in the marginal extra effort to have an x server package Mar 08 00:35:18 i mean since it already builds from cross-compile, etc Mar 08 00:35:20 I want to explore a larger virtual workspace which can be scrolled and zoomed Mar 08 00:35:35 (eventually) Mar 08 00:36:00 jacques: interesting. I don't think kdrive supports virtual workspaces in that manner? maybe though, I didn't look too hard at it Mar 08 00:36:06 dtzWill, what bpp are you running with? Mar 08 00:36:23 mostly short of a proper xorg.conf or XFree86.conf or what-have-you I do'nt know how to setup a virtual res Mar 08 00:36:34 I don't remember, shouldn't matter Mar 08 00:36:47 the GLES one is 24bit, but this is 32 bit iirc since that's what the native surface SDL exposes is Mar 08 00:36:52 so no reason to force the extra conversion Mar 08 00:36:55 well I was seeing bad behavior with 32bpp re: alpha channel Mar 08 00:37:32 but according to patch comments, that would be the best performing bpp Mar 08 00:37:45 because no shadow surface would be created Mar 08 00:38:28 jacques: agreed. actually I my x-launcher script was still doing 24--32 has a thicker cursor (perhaps alpha related?), but applications themselves eseem (quick glance) to be rendering just fine Mar 08 00:38:38 jacques: was the alpha issue mostly that the alpha channel bits were never set/cleared? Mar 08 00:38:47 jacques: so nothing a memset at the get-go couldn't fix? Mar 08 00:39:39 dtzWill, it looked to me like when kdrive wrote to the surface memory, it was setting the alpha channel to 0, and SDL was incorrectly rendering things as completely transparent Mar 08 00:39:54 jacques: oh I see. curious. Mar 08 00:40:34 so, if kdrive wrote to the surface, it was black, until I went through and set the alpha to 255 for every pixel, then I could see things Mar 08 00:40:55 jacques: that is not the behavior I'm seeing, but I don't know that it won't crop up Mar 08 00:41:01 this was onlt in 32bpp, and only in card view, as full screen never showed anything other than black for me Mar 08 00:41:09 oh card view? interesting Mar 08 00:41:18 i'm doing most of my testing in fullscreen these days ;) Mar 08 00:41:28 s/days/last 30 minutes/ Mar 08 00:41:28 dtzWill meant: i'm doing most of my testing in fullscreen these last 30 minutes ;) Mar 08 00:41:30 it's slightly possible that my hacking broke something Mar 08 00:41:46 heh, well congrats! nice job Mar 08 00:41:50 jacques: :D ty ty Mar 08 00:41:59 this will probably help some other ppl Mar 08 00:42:00 jacques: now off to fix the input........ :) Mar 08 00:42:25 jacques: I would be surprised if /no one/ had some cool ideas regarding an x server Mar 08 00:42:52 me too Mar 08 00:44:26 also I'm surprised that AFAICT no one's gotten X working within android without using vnc. Mar 08 00:44:38 i suppose for many applications the difference might be not as important Mar 08 00:44:49 not that we're android devs, but you know :) Mar 08 00:44:53 heh Mar 08 00:45:37 I'm sure X could work under android the same way q3 does Mar 08 00:45:55 java shim around C binary Mar 08 00:46:16 jacques: that's absolutely what I was thinking. unware of q3's efforts but with JNI etc that shouldn't be tooo big a deal Mar 08 00:46:56 yeah I read a post by the guy who did the q3 port Mar 08 00:47:11 basically thin java layer calling C lib Mar 08 00:47:30 makes sense, really it's the way to do it. Mar 08 00:47:37 porting to java is outta the question Mar 08 00:48:27 rwhitby: hey now that it looks like we're making progress, don't suppose you could make an xorg git repo on webos-internals? :) Mar 08 00:49:07 I think the chances are quite good :-) Mar 08 00:49:44 yeah i didn't ask earlier because i/we had no idea why it wasn't working, so until we knew that x source needed modification didn't wanna waste the repo, but now... :D Mar 08 01:00:42 dtzWill, what would you like to call the repo? Mar 08 01:00:55 hmm I don't really know that I have a strong opinion Mar 08 01:01:06 xorg/x11/xorg-server, something like that?" Mar 08 01:01:17 feel free to suggest counter ideas Mar 08 01:01:17 haha Mar 08 01:03:36 only suggestion I have is xsdl (or Xsdl) Mar 08 01:04:14 tho I also don't have a strong opinion Mar 08 01:04:43 jacques: I'm okay with Xsdl, and I suppose there's a good chance that we'll never use any other part of X Mar 08 01:04:54 * dtzWill indecisive Mar 08 01:05:24 mostly b/c it kinda doesn't matter :) Mar 08 01:05:30 Xsdl is fine Mar 08 01:06:04 hmm, Xsdl _is_ maybe over-specific Mar 08 01:06:32 hehe perhaps Mar 08 01:08:12 haha awesome, is it an X root in a webos card, or what? Mar 08 01:08:27 * dtzWill install ipkg-opt's gtk, vte, and xchat haha Mar 08 01:08:34 not that keyboard/mouse work anyway yet Mar 08 01:08:36 i want xterm Mar 08 01:08:37 heh Mar 08 01:08:54 epv: yes, it's root within a card Mar 08 01:09:04 yeah keyboard translations would/will be a project, given the contortions you need to go through with the pre kbd to get special chars Mar 08 01:09:11 nice Mar 08 01:09:22 so glad ipkg-opt has all the xclient stuff, including gtk haha Mar 08 01:09:46 hehe yay Mar 08 01:09:49 epv: oh for now /no/ keyboard events work. the base we're using (Xsdl) is a little unmaintained Mar 08 01:10:11 i see Mar 08 01:10:29 err or mouse events. something in general with events is just broken. looking into it presently Mar 08 01:10:40 there's always the old sunos trick of a daemon that sits around collecting key events and feeding them to X Mar 08 01:10:43 heh Mar 08 01:12:13 epv: hehe. yeah at some point I actually almost did something similar. luckily events GET to the xs erver, but the unmaintained part of the code loses them somewhere Mar 08 01:12:25 epv: but yes, worst case I just use Xtest and feed them in that way lol Mar 08 01:12:32 (or through some other interface) Mar 08 01:13:29 is there a good way to get ipkg-opt to install on the /media/internal partition? Can I just go ahead with -o /media/internal/ipkg or something? and set various env variables accordingly? :) Mar 08 01:13:58 root partiion can't hold all the x11 goodness Mar 08 01:16:30 dtzWill, do you have the WIDK installed? Mar 08 01:16:42 i have lost track of the ipkg situation wrt preware and all that but the authors are all in here probably Mar 08 01:16:51 it should set things up so you can have the libs in /media Mar 08 01:17:14 jacques: yeah I use the WIDK. I'm not sure what you're saying how that relates, unfortunately. Mar 08 01:17:18 jacques: I don't have it on the phone? Mar 08 01:17:48 jacques: ipkg-opt on the device has a bunch of libraries i'm too lazy to build myself (gtk, various x client stuff, although I actually do probably have most of that) Mar 08 01:17:58 hmmm. I'm tempted to make an app that lets you sorta/kinda sync files from your computer to your pre only using downloadManager Mar 08 01:18:22 jacques: the stuff I built with the WIDK I can happily through wherever since it's just... files I can scp over or what-have-you. However packages from ipkg-opt.. idk if I can easily instal them into a different root? Mar 08 01:19:10 jstop auto background gc is a go Mar 08 01:19:14 dtzWill, confusingly, there is a WIDK package for webos too Mar 08 01:19:17 I'll release 0.2.0 soon Mar 08 01:19:35 jacques: that is confusing. haha. sorry. curious, I'll take a look then, ty Mar 08 01:19:40 it sets up dirs and symlinks so libs can be in /media Mar 08 01:20:01 jacques: OH i see. hey that's useful. I just use a script and my own env setting Mar 08 01:20:47 how much better is jstop's Auto-GC compared to the OS's builtin function. Is it worth having? Does it improve performance? Mar 08 01:23:29 jacques: so when I have this, can I use ipkg-opt to install to /media then? Mar 08 01:23:36 ipkg-opt -o /media etc? Mar 08 01:24:39 dtzWill: what repo name do you need? Mar 08 01:25:41 rwhitby: jacques and I were debating, lol, but it doesn't really matter. xorg or so would be good, and feel free to change that if you think you should Mar 08 01:25:51 libraries/xorg ? Mar 08 01:26:02 rwhitby: well it's the server, fwiw. Mar 08 01:26:11 it's more of an app Mar 08 01:26:21 rwhitby: if we make the argument that it's useful as far as people use it for /other/ things I suppose it oculd be a 'library' but i wouldn't normally call it that, no Mar 08 01:27:50 well, we have applications (which have a webOS front-end), daemons, games, kernels, libraries, plugins, services so far. Mar 08 01:27:58 well it's x that runs in a card Mar 08 01:28:19 hmm Mar 08 01:28:29 it's not a game :). an if it needs a proper js webos front-end then not that either Mar 08 01:28:38 applications/xserver ? Mar 08 01:28:44 rwhitby: sounds good to me Mar 08 01:28:45 * PuffTheMagic_ is learning cl-gtk2 Mar 08 01:29:02 PuffTheMagic_: do it :D Mar 08 01:29:07 i am Mar 08 01:29:09 dtzWill: or native/xserver ? Mar 08 01:29:44 well i'm fine defining new categories if you' think that's the way to go. what other things do you think might go in native? any x apps we get running? :) Mar 08 01:30:08 how about xwindows/server.git ? Mar 08 01:30:19 or xwindows/xserver.git ? Mar 08 01:30:37 haha those both sound good. I mean worst case if we really really really hate this later we can just 'mv' the bugger lol Mar 08 01:30:44 then you can have xwindows/enlightenment.git later ;-) Mar 08 01:31:00 haha :D Mar 08 01:31:07 although didn't they get it working with sdl or something? not sure what the status of that is Mar 08 01:31:19 so xwindows/xserver.git ? Mar 08 01:31:54 fine with me Mar 08 01:31:56 :) Mar 08 01:31:56 ty Mar 08 01:32:17 cool Mar 08 01:33:38 dtzWill: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:xwindows/xserver.git Mar 08 01:33:51 the purists will hate "xwindows", but that's tough for them :-) Mar 08 01:34:07 Kyusaku: it's exactly the same as the os gc, just fired much more often Mar 08 01:34:14 dtzWill: so, ipkg-opt Mar 08 01:34:54 oh good point - maybe it should be x11/... Mar 08 01:34:56 dtzWill: if you've installed ipkg-opt from Preware, it will bind mount /opt from /var/opt, which is the largest ext3 place on the device. Mar 08 01:35:08 ok, let's change to x11/ Mar 08 01:35:20 azakus: OIC Mar 08 01:35:33 rwhitby: so does ipkg-opt use /opt/ by default then? or ipkg-opt -o opt with every invocation...? Mar 08 01:35:43 rwhitby: this time around it's from preware xD :) Mar 08 01:35:49 dtzWill: all packages in optware are compiled to install into /opt Mar 08 01:36:03 dtzWill: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:x11/xserver.git Mar 08 01:36:09 rwhitby: I see. okay. Mar 08 01:36:48 dtzWill: but you'll want a 2GB /var using meta-doctor to install lots of stuff from optware Mar 08 01:37:14 ipkg-opt is also compiled to read conf from /opt/etc/ipkg ... Mar 08 01:37:36 dtzWill: ok, you need anything else from me? Mar 08 01:37:40 rwhitby: gotcha, okay. Mar 08 01:37:46 rwhitby: I think that's all, tyvm :) Mar 08 01:37:58 * rwhitby refactored my C ipkgservice not to leak memory Mar 08 01:38:14 jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=x11/xserver.git;a=summary :D Mar 08 01:38:34 jacques: haven't updated the cross_compile repo to build off git yet Mar 08 01:39:24 ok, time to roll up the sleeves and implement the install method ... Mar 08 01:42:16 rwhitby: you gonna use libipkg? Mar 08 01:42:21 or opkg Mar 08 01:42:25 PuffTheMagic_: neither Mar 08 01:42:32 what then Mar 08 01:42:42 experimenting with ApplicationInstallerUtility Mar 08 01:42:46 ok, ready to go with 0.2.0 Mar 08 01:42:48 ehh Mar 08 01:42:51 pushing in a minute Mar 08 01:43:12 install method for what Mar 08 01:43:27 FuMan2: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326 Mar 08 01:47:49 Hrm, sounds fun Mar 08 01:48:12 i look forward to my testing-feed preware going bat crazy :) Mar 08 01:49:26 jstop 0.2.0 pushed Mar 08 01:50:08 whoops, forgot the defilter menu item Mar 08 01:50:17 0.2.1 coming in a few minutes :P Mar 08 01:51:21 ugh, just played with an iphone Mar 08 01:52:11 every time i touch one, I get so disappointed with scrolling in WebOS :/ Mar 08 01:52:57 gotta love it: "curl --progress-bar -k -o /media/internal/.developer/%s.ipk %s 2>&1 | tr '\r' '\n'" ==> download progress bar for Preware Mar 08 02:02:17 azakus what feed is jstop under? I'm not seeing it in Preware... Still showing 0.1.1 Mar 08 02:07:04 Mitalis: give it a second Mar 08 02:14:42 ok, now peple can see what the url of the app is if they filter th jstop list and click the item again Mar 08 02:22:04 hrm Mar 08 02:22:12 what good does orange tap removal do on the package manager service Mar 08 02:22:15 when its icon is hidden? Mar 08 02:25:19 since preware and ipkgmanager would be in the same package Mar 08 02:25:30 orange-tap removing preware would also clean out ipkgmanager Mar 08 02:28:35 huh Mar 08 02:28:50 the big broken pid has the url about:blank Mar 08 02:28:56 great Mar 08 02:29:54 oh, well there is a package manager update already Mar 08 02:30:13 FuMan2: that's not it :-) Mar 08 02:30:26 i didnt think that would be relevant / released till preware 1.0.fancy Mar 08 02:32:28 lol Mar 08 02:32:36 well, with feed management working Mar 08 02:32:44 i think we should get over that 1.0 hump Mar 08 02:32:45 lol Mar 08 02:32:51 screw deleting cookies.dbs Mar 08 02:32:59 oil Mar 08 02:32:59 if we're switching to palms stuff anyways Mar 08 02:33:02 stop talking preware Mar 08 02:33:04 oil: AIU will delete the cookies Mar 08 02:33:09 youve got XBL Friends to be working on Mar 08 02:33:09 i know Mar 08 02:33:28 so its not relevant for the ipkgservice problem to be holding preware from 1.0 Mar 08 02:33:44 you cant just post soft core porn update previews Mar 08 02:33:44 * oil is tired of 0.9.x Mar 08 02:33:54 and then move on to other things :> Mar 08 02:34:00 lol Mar 08 02:34:19 people have the *itch* to beta test. Mar 08 02:34:27 ugh, irc isn't gmail Mar 08 02:34:37 oil: I've got curl downloading the package, sending status updates with a progress bar back to Preware Mar 08 02:34:44 its not half as functional as the old version yet Mar 08 02:34:49 rwhitby, thats good Mar 08 02:34:54 preware can just ignore it for now xD Mar 08 02:35:46 oil: comments on the RFC? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326 Mar 08 02:36:00 nothing that i haven't already said Mar 08 02:36:18 the only problem i see Mar 08 02:36:44 lay it on me Mar 08 02:36:44 is if palm adds more security to the scripts/etc Mar 08 02:36:52 which makes it no longer viable for patches or what not Mar 08 02:37:04 if they do that, we move to opkg, pure and simple. Mar 08 02:37:19 lol Mar 08 02:37:28 but I'm expecting Flash to use a script, and that will cement it Mar 08 02:37:38 yeah Mar 08 02:37:45 well, im going to get dressed and get breakfast Mar 08 02:37:48 :) Mar 08 02:37:56 oil: so, I need status update support in the Install spinner Mar 08 02:38:11 oil: what's the best way to do that? Mar 08 02:38:37 wait, what? Mar 08 02:38:53 oil: nm - I just noticed the commented out line :-) Mar 08 02:39:04 (for payload.stage = status) Mar 08 02:42:48 woohoo! percentage download updating in Preware :-) Mar 08 02:45:26 This is wierd, I'm seeing a process called "BORKBROKEN" process in Jstop Mar 08 02:45:47 hmm now it randomly disappeared Mar 08 02:45:57 me too. I wondered what it meant..... Mar 08 02:46:32 Hey azakus, when you launch Jstop, does it automatically do a garbage collect? Mar 08 02:46:51 anyone know when that advance video edit patch by jason will be available? Mar 08 02:47:24 what functionality is that patch supposed to add Suruat? Mar 08 02:47:26 Mitalis: no Mar 08 02:47:30 default is off Mar 08 02:47:44 auto gc starts 5 minutes from app launch/each auto gc setup Mar 08 02:48:41 Suruat: tweet @JayCanuck to ask him Mar 08 02:48:45 if your phone restarts, and you never launch jstop, will it still auto garbage collect? Or do you have launch the program first? Mar 08 02:48:55 awesome Mar 08 02:49:06 newest pet peeve Mar 08 02:49:16 is when i get a vibrate, think its an e-mail Mar 08 02:49:19 pull it out of my pocket Mar 08 02:49:24 and its the luna crash vibrate :P Mar 08 02:49:31 lol Mar 08 02:49:52 i may end up doctoring back to 1.3.5.1 Mar 08 02:49:55 this is horrid Mar 08 02:49:56 azakus: you should change jstop to use the back gesture instead of the forward gesture as palm removed the forward gesture for some weird reason Mar 08 02:50:05 @Mitalis umm it adds more functionality to video edit, and better rename and discription features Mar 08 02:51:27 speaking of video.. I've noticed, if I'm in the video application where it lists the video, click on a video, and edit the name of it... It wont' load it to youtube afterwards..... Mar 08 02:52:00 The button where you can uplload via mms, email, facebook or youtube doesn't work... Mar 08 02:52:59 i still havent tried a video upload Mar 08 02:53:02 just heard bad things Mar 08 02:53:16 If the video name hasn't been touched, then the upload process seems to work. Mar 08 02:53:27 but all edited clips tank? Mar 08 02:53:33 no Mar 08 02:53:38 rwhitby: with this new system does it affect pure service apps like Jason R's SysToolsMgr? Mar 08 02:53:56 they only seem to tank if the videos themselves have been renamed manually Mar 08 02:54:01 gkatsev: I can't get the back gesture to not propagate Mar 08 02:54:06 for some reason Mar 08 02:54:30 Kyusaku: they will remain unchanged, but he'll want to put an appinfo.json file in so that you can delete it from List Apps ... Mar 08 02:55:33 rwhitby: I see Mar 08 02:59:50 rwhitby, you got a time frame for the great change? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 08 02:59:57 2010