**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 17 02:59:57 2010 Mar 17 03:00:16 Despite the many flaws in WebOS, I love it because I know underneath it's an open OS and thus easily modifiable (witness the many dozen patches I have applied). Mar 17 03:00:47 dtzWill: should have used netcat for the key transfer Mar 17 03:01:13 Linux is funny, it seems the ones with the most experience always have the best answer Mar 17 03:01:17 no young know-it-alls lol Mar 17 03:01:25 rwhitby: good call. still not sure how to /append/ to the file instead of replacing it--i wanted my existing list of keys to still be there Mar 17 03:01:27 IM a young know-it-all! Mar 17 03:01:42 rwhitby: but that would've been good geek points, and bouncing off remote host Mar 17 03:01:49 dtzWill: netcat >> file Mar 17 03:02:09 rwhitby: I didn't have '>' else that would've been a lot easiesr Mar 17 03:02:16 terminus, etc Mar 17 03:02:25 dtzWill: did you have tee -a ? Mar 17 03:02:44 rwhitby: there it is. yep I did, never used flags to 'tee' before Mar 17 03:02:58 presumably that appends, which is perfect... and manpage confirms it :) Mar 17 03:03:10 although i'd need to pipe to tee, no? :) Mar 17 03:03:21 oh i suppose i have to actually install the fonts. :) Mar 17 03:03:39 dtzWill: hmmm Mar 17 03:03:48 epv: yeah. they're easy, but there's a billion of them and they're all different tars... so I haven't staged those yet haha. Mar 17 03:03:57 epv: feel free to contribute those :D. xD Mar 17 03:04:56 epv: idk why I didn't think of the geometry stuff on xterm before. that makes it work nicely, and so if we fix keyboard up some, and convert the optware to preware stuff we could have a rather useful terminal application up with not too much effort :) Mar 17 03:05:39 I haven't traced this down, but there does seem to be a strange kind of 'lag' on the server--like it queues frames if they happen quickly, and insists on drawing every single one even if it represents the state a long time ago. Mar 17 03:06:15 I'd be happy if we could fix that, it would make doing things like playing video, etc, a lot more tolerable Mar 17 03:06:31 * dtzWill thinks out loud Mar 17 03:07:28 i like whiteboarding Mar 17 03:07:55 yeah, and lots of people here are smart and tell me when there's a good/better solution or if i'm being silly :) Mar 17 03:09:16 yeah i'll pick out a few Mar 17 03:10:43 epv: should be rather easy to copy from, for example, the libx11/Makefile, and just edit the name/version, and it'll download it, etc, etc. Mar 17 03:10:48 (just trying to save you some time :)) Mar 17 03:10:53 dtzWill: we can work towards an xterm in Preware if you like Mar 17 03:13:08 rwhitby: yeah that's the plan, more or less. I suppose we could have a 'xterm' application that launches X and runs xterm inside of it.... Mar 17 03:13:36 rwhitby: it's still not clear to me if that's the way to go, or some super light wm and a launcher that has 'xterm' in it, etc. Mar 17 03:13:36 dtzWill: yep Mar 17 03:13:47 rwhitby, no webos-patches testing feed? Mar 17 03:13:56 but very open to discussion/ideas Mar 17 03:14:01 egaudet: oh, haven't looked at that yet. Mar 17 03:14:17 but just the icon would be nicer, but kinda fragments the whole X thing if we have other applications--do we really want/need separate servers for each one? etc Mar 17 03:14:27 I have it ready to sync but I don't have key on ipkg2 Mar 17 03:14:30 i suppose no reason can't have both :D Mar 17 03:17:50 dtzWill: nod Mar 17 03:18:15 egaudet: your key is in, I'm going to get some lunch and then push the hardware-patches feed Mar 17 03:18:33 * rwhitby bbiab Mar 17 03:19:55 sounds good Mar 17 03:38:46 hey guys, how would one go about using package manager service to install palm feed apps? Mar 17 03:39:14 jdforsythe: use preware? Mar 17 03:39:59 app catalog is giving me out of space errors saying I need 1.5 to 118 GB of space for simple apps Mar 17 03:40:13 wat? Mar 17 03:41:11 but homebrew still installs via preware Mar 17 03:45:09 this chat isn't updating on my pre Mar 17 03:45:30 lol Mar 17 03:46:07 hello peeps.. Mar 17 03:46:44 i've got a question related to irssi, somewhat. Mar 17 03:48:10 I seen the tut on the wiki to get irssi setup. Mar 17 03:48:31 But of course... irssi on the Pre would be brutal to the eyes. Mar 17 03:48:40 Has anyone had any luck with screen? Mar 17 03:48:48 screen should work fine Mar 17 03:49:10 thanks rwhitby. Mar 17 03:49:12 SiLlY_: xchat! XD :P Mar 17 03:49:23 SiLlY_: you're not using wIRC ? Mar 17 03:49:27 yes. Mar 17 03:49:31 * dtzWill needs to stop suggesting things until he has enough worked out that he can point people at preware downloads Mar 17 03:49:37 I do have wIRC. and it works good.. Mar 17 03:49:45 lol Mar 17 03:49:48 but... Mar 17 03:49:52 its all good. Mar 17 03:50:28 is screen in the repo? Mar 17 03:50:37 it's in optware, not preware Mar 17 03:50:50 yeah, awesome! Mar 17 03:51:28 yeah, I use it all the time when ssh'd into a pre Mar 17 03:51:40 me too Mar 17 03:51:41 exactly what I aim to do. Mar 17 03:51:48 I used to.. Mar 17 03:52:01 ssh screen to remote Mar 17 03:52:04 yeah.. Mar 17 03:52:05 nice Mar 17 03:52:06 detach Mar 17 03:52:07 should probably package it up for Preware ... Mar 17 03:52:08 bwee Mar 17 03:52:46 someone might hurt themselves though rwhitby. Mar 17 03:52:47 heh Mar 17 03:53:03 anyhoo.. Mar 17 03:53:28 Do any of you know who I can address when it comes to package manager service? Mar 17 03:54:34 I'm wondering if either wget defaults to tmp or if it is sent there by PMS or preware. Mar 17 03:55:41 SiLlY_: in recent versions it uses /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/tmp, which is as big as your USB drive Mar 17 03:55:59 really? Mar 17 03:56:01 (sent there by the Package Manager Service) Mar 17 03:56:02 hrmm.. Mar 17 03:56:03 really. Mar 17 03:56:07 perhaps i should check my version Mar 17 03:56:36 it was released as part of 0.9.36 Mar 17 03:56:41 we're now on 0.9.43 Mar 17 03:56:48 doh.. Mar 17 03:56:49 lol Mar 17 03:56:55 im sure ive updated since. Mar 17 03:56:58 hrmm.. Mar 17 03:57:12 could it be because of a custom feed? Mar 17 03:57:35 it's writing to tmp for some reason Mar 17 03:58:22 anything over around 60 megs.. causes short write, etc.. Mar 17 03:59:46 hmm - there might be a problem here. the current HEAD doesn't seem to have that feature Mar 17 04:01:02 ut oh.. Mar 17 04:01:15 yep, looks like it got lost in 0.9.39 Mar 17 04:01:46 welp I'm at least glad it got brought up. Mar 17 04:01:57 I was ahving trouble setting up a custom backup feed Mar 17 04:02:10 :) Mar 17 04:02:20 I don't trust "cloud" Mar 17 04:03:43 I prefer my cloud. Mar 17 04:03:46 heh Mar 17 04:09:11 Is there anyway to get terminus to run my command instead of the shell without reprogramming it? Mar 17 04:11:35 heh Mar 17 04:11:46 hi Mar 17 04:12:25 launching custom scripts/programs through the gui would be mint Mar 17 04:13:07 I need to make that Mar 17 04:14:47 I was thinking about getting terminus to run my app from a shortcut Mar 17 04:16:49 Jolting: just make an appinfo.json that has type:game and runs your command, or perhaps runs a script that you modify to run a command as you desire Mar 17 04:17:05 Jolting: unless yuo're interested in seeing your output :P in which case nvm Mar 17 04:17:13 dtzWill: needs stdio Mar 17 04:17:34 dtzWill: I'm lazy...don't want to write text input output in my sdl app Mar 17 04:19:06 I would make a stdin Mar 17 04:20:22 oc80w: terminus would probably do what I want if I add an opt to run my command instead kinda like 'sh -c' Mar 17 04:42:32 heh xterm with 62x66 char font is pretty nice Mar 17 04:42:37 77x77 char is a bit much Mar 17 04:42:59 it occurred to me that another really cool thing would be to have some sort of cut buffer interaction Mar 17 04:43:25 because in my ideal world i'd be able to launch the webos browser on a URL from an xterm Mar 17 04:44:01 no way!! I was just checkin the optware repo and seen "mc"!! Mar 17 04:44:31 That wouldn't be good ol midnight commander, would it? Mar 17 04:44:32 lol Mar 17 04:45:19 well aupt-4 passes my approval, rwhitby. Logic didn't really change so I dont' think I need to do a doctor, mass-patch, update to test it. File replacement and bspatches will require the file is stock md5sum Mar 17 04:46:11 It's ready to incorporate all homebrew rootfs changes IMO Mar 17 04:46:34 epv: the launching is possible Mar 17 04:46:44 if anyone else wants to test/sanity check the scripts please do Mar 17 04:46:46 epv: not sure about 'cut' buffer, but if the termianl supports url detection Mar 17 04:47:10 epv: then you can configure it to run some external brwoser, and that can be a script, and i'm sure some dbus magic or something can launch the browser with a URL Mar 17 04:47:18 (others here can tell us HOW but i'm sure you can) Mar 17 04:48:09 epv, you can probably launch the browser with url with luna-send Mar 17 04:49:35 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"appid\": com.palm.app.browser\"} Don't know off the top of my head how to get the url paramter in it's either something like params: {url: } or just url: Mar 17 04:49:46 {} Mar 17 04:49:47 and I'm missing a \" before com.palm.app.browser Mar 17 04:50:14 egaudet,epv there we go :). knew someone here was on it :D Mar 17 04:50:28 (ty) Mar 17 04:50:51 ;-) fills my quota of one semi-helpful comment a day Mar 17 04:51:18 * oil strives to be more helpful Mar 17 04:52:02 egaudet: yeah, and we should be able to use the "xcb" binary to read the current contents of the X cut buffer Mar 17 04:52:32 maybe there would be a separate webos app icon you could run that would just launch the browser on whatever was the last thing you selected in X Mar 17 04:52:54 or maybe there's a way to force text into webos/luna's equivalent of a cut buffer Mar 17 04:53:05 clipboard? Mar 17 04:53:11 perhaps that's it :) Mar 17 04:53:40 you can just launch the browser with a url from command line so there's no need to put it in the mojo clipboard right Mar 17 04:53:46 epv: oh integrating the cut/copy buffer is a separate idea from what I thought you wanted: launching URLs from a terminal? Mar 17 04:54:03 well the ultimate goal for me would be launching URLs from a terminal Mar 17 04:54:15 i was just contemplating cut/copy buffer integration as a way to do that Mar 17 04:56:15 dtzWill, P|C is concerned VBA is dead O_o Mar 17 04:56:35 that thread made me lol Mar 17 04:56:44 FuMan: it's not dead, I'm just busy, and most the low-hanging fruit has been taken care of. Mar 17 04:56:57 oh, i know Mar 17 04:57:02 * FuMan idles like a creeper Mar 17 04:57:14 just scrolled a couple pages, didn't see a "nope" from you Mar 17 04:57:15 FuMan: the remaining improvements are things like "Completely rewrite the emulation engine to make gba games faster" Mar 17 04:57:17 figured id mention it Mar 17 04:57:22 FuMan: fair enough, ty. Mar 17 04:57:27 and oil Mar 17 04:57:36 I was meaning to jump in there, i'll do so... Mar 17 04:57:36 its been more than 48 hours since i've seen an update on XBLFriends Mar 17 04:57:40 so, I'm disappointed in you Mar 17 04:57:43 lol Mar 17 04:57:50 its been longer then that since ive worked on it Mar 17 04:58:09 don't make me feel any worse about it D; Mar 17 04:58:10 im saving it, for the week i spend with family at the end of the month Mar 17 04:58:15 lol Mar 17 04:58:18 thats kinda sad, kinda awesome Mar 17 04:58:19 seriously Mar 17 04:58:23 well Mar 17 04:58:28 its like, extended family Mar 17 04:58:35 rent big house on the beach type thing Mar 17 04:58:54 you can thank them in the :about and everything :P Mar 17 04:58:55 and my oldest cousin is like, a freshman in highschool Mar 17 04:59:06 must.... resist..... hooker... joke.... Mar 17 04:59:12 so, it will be really boring Mar 17 04:59:15 im not hip to your life story Mar 17 04:59:19 but im assuming you out-age them? Mar 17 04:59:23 yeah Mar 17 04:59:45 by like 10 years Mar 17 05:00:08 so im bringing something to do Mar 17 05:00:09 lol Mar 17 05:00:10 enjoy that :) Mar 17 05:00:16 well, it just got me thinkin about it Mar 17 05:00:22 someone released a "steam friends" type app Mar 17 05:00:31 got me wonderin Mar 17 05:00:32 no I didn't Mar 17 05:00:38 epv, here's the syntax verified to work Mar 17 05:00:40 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.palm.app.browser","params":{"url Mar 17 05:00:41 ":"www.google.com"}}' Mar 17 05:00:48 maybe someone will do a ps3 one so people wouldn't say anything to me anymore Mar 17 05:00:53 all one line Mar 17 05:00:56 looked into it Mar 17 05:00:59 ps3 has no api Mar 17 05:01:06 so, web scraping? Mar 17 05:01:07 oh, halfhalo_T400_ , are you steam friends? Mar 17 05:01:10 got an xfire one with chat in the pipeline though Mar 17 05:01:12 and yeah Mar 17 05:01:19 good work :) Mar 17 05:01:20 re-writing it now to be faster Mar 17 05:01:23 i played with it briefly Mar 17 05:01:27 fairly spare, but functional Mar 17 05:01:34 i didn't even download it Mar 17 05:01:41 simply because i have 0 steam friends Mar 17 05:01:47 would love to be able to message, but I'm assuming its limited similar to xbl? Mar 17 05:01:48 and i dont need that app reminding me Mar 17 05:01:57 fum4nchuu@cox.net Mar 17 05:02:00 I'll be your steam friend <3 Mar 17 05:02:07 Always need another for L4D :> Mar 17 05:02:10 lol Mar 17 05:02:17 i have l4d 1 & 2 for xbox Mar 17 05:02:19 steamname luckyprr Mar 17 05:02:33 i really only have a handful of steam games Mar 17 05:02:39 heh Mar 17 05:02:44 luckily Mar 17 05:02:45 all the ones i own Mar 17 05:02:51 are being ported to mac also :D Mar 17 05:02:56 lol Mar 17 05:02:58 not having to bootcamp to get my TF2 on is gonna own Mar 17 05:03:01 actually, Torchlight Mar 17 05:03:10 i've got like, portal, and counterstrike Mar 17 05:03:13 i wish i didn't have to bootcamp for that... but then I would get NOTHING done, so, its cool I guess Mar 17 05:03:17 i think thats it for big name game Mar 17 05:03:23 the rest are not big Mar 17 05:03:23 lol Mar 17 05:03:36 yeah, i've got the valve hits, cs/css/tf2/l4d and then braid and torchlight Mar 17 05:03:38 I thnk for the app catalog release I'm disabling server querying Mar 17 05:03:48 i kinda went nutzo during the holiday sales Mar 17 05:03:48 That would crap my server Mar 17 05:03:55 and bought some stupid crap :> Mar 17 05:03:56 i got things like that goo one Mar 17 05:04:03 I have like 160 games... Mar 17 05:04:06 and the flowers vs zombies tower defense or something Mar 17 05:04:11 ahahah Mar 17 05:04:15 plants vs zombies = wonderful Mar 17 05:04:18 and gratuitous space battles Mar 17 05:04:28 and thats like it Mar 17 05:04:41 i did braid, torchlight, psychonauts, and lumines Mar 17 05:04:50 loved that game for the PSP, turns out its lame as hell on PC D; Mar 17 05:04:56 I redid the games view though Mar 17 05:05:05 * oil brb Mar 17 05:05:14 instead of loading it into the user scene I made it its own Mar 17 05:05:16 well halfhalo_T400_, keep up the good work Mar 17 05:05:21 i dig these kinda apps Mar 17 05:05:24 and im sure a lot of others do Mar 17 05:05:30 how do you plan on releasing it? Mar 17 05:05:36 ad supported, all free, payyyd? Mar 17 05:05:42 and there are prefs to change auto update time and whether avatars are enabled Mar 17 05:05:56 Its either between ads or for .99 Mar 17 05:06:12 * FuMan would be happy for 99 Mar 17 05:06:18 ad programs look funny Mar 17 05:06:25 although with host files, poor admob gets raped Mar 17 05:06:30 I love plants vs zombies and world of goo Mar 17 05:06:33 lol Mar 17 05:06:42 I was leaning torwards paid as well Mar 17 05:06:48 im not sure if its in Jason's patch Mar 17 05:06:57 but it might be doing developers a solid if he pulled that line out Mar 17 05:07:19 but my poor reverse directory app is going nowhere Mar 17 05:07:27 whitepages revuces to play ball Mar 17 05:07:30 not blowing up the charts? Mar 17 05:07:38 refused* Mar 17 05:08:09 I wanted to work out some way to get an increase in the api, like with 50/50 ad splits, but their like, no Mar 17 05:08:09 i just hope people sneak their quality apps out now Mar 17 05:08:20 500 bucks min a month and 0.10 a match Mar 17 05:08:36 cause once that PDK app ban gets lifted Mar 17 05:08:48 its gonna be iphoneportasaurus up in here Mar 17 05:11:42 FuMan: Want to see how far I've gotten in the re-write? Mar 17 05:14:24 bring it :) Mar 17 05:14:29 * halfhalo_T400_ points to http://silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/ as a place where his ipk's are stored Mar 17 05:14:41 gonna take a quick shower Mar 17 05:14:45 and then ill peep :) Mar 17 05:14:47 kk Mar 17 05:15:38 oh snap Mar 17 05:16:05 forgot to enable the menu Mar 17 05:16:21 no packages file? Mar 17 05:16:26 i thought this was a feed :) Mar 17 05:17:25 lol Mar 17 05:19:07 ALSO: awesome things happen if you have circular dependencies in WIDK Mar 17 05:21:20 lol Mar 17 05:25:32 halfhalo_T400_: you could easily turn that into a custom feed that people can add to Preware ... Mar 17 05:26:19 I COULD, but the apps there are already in preware Mar 17 05:26:33 Its just a folder tied to my palm-package script Mar 17 05:26:48 I'm using winscp to sync it with my desktop Mar 17 05:27:29 halfhalo_T400_: ah, cool. I thought it might have been a beta testing area for you Mar 17 05:27:54 (in which case a custom feed could be convenient for your beta testers) Mar 17 05:28:12 well, it is somuch as the second I build an app its uploaded there Mar 17 05:29:02 * oil thinks it needs a packages file Mar 17 05:29:20 * halfhalo_T400_ thinks oil should shut his pietrap Mar 17 05:29:35 * oil thinks about writing little index.php you could drop in that would create the packages file for you Mar 17 05:30:16 well, a very basic version of it anyways Mar 17 05:30:23 no descriptions/screenshots/pretty name Mar 17 05:30:32 just the required stuff Mar 17 05:30:53 if you make a basic one I'll build it into a full featured one Mar 17 05:31:11 * oil thinks more about it Mar 17 05:31:35 halfhalo_T400_: use ipkg-make-index from http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils Mar 17 05:31:46 so there already is something Mar 17 05:31:47 lol Mar 17 05:32:18 but... but... but... thats effort! Mar 17 05:32:58 heh Mar 17 05:33:00 plus, server no like python Mar 17 05:33:05 has anyone actually setup a custom feed yet? Mar 17 05:33:24 i know the 800mhz kids are planning on it Mar 17 05:33:35 but, havent heard much else yet Mar 17 05:35:58 halfhalo_T400_, that is a really pretty white page you made <3 Mar 17 05:36:08 ahhh.. now this is an environment i'm used to! Mar 17 05:36:08 heh Mar 17 05:36:12 Thanks fellas. Mar 17 05:36:17 its apache! Mar 17 05:36:18 glad to be back in irssi! Mar 17 05:36:24 on* Mar 17 05:36:26 i meant steamfriends :P Mar 17 05:36:40 will i have to wait for it to poll the first time before there is anything anywhere? Mar 17 05:37:01 oh, lol, I think I build package on an incomplete build Mar 17 05:37:23 well poop. Mar 17 05:37:41 know a working build by chance :P Mar 17 05:38:26 try running palm-log? I just upped a package that should work Mar 17 05:38:41 you're speaking jive. Mar 17 05:39:30 http://silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/com.silentbluesystems.steamfriends_0.6.0_all.ipk Mar 17 05:39:34 that should be working Mar 17 05:40:23 looks awfully similar to the 24k package i just installed Mar 17 05:40:26 but, i shall try again Mar 17 05:40:30 * SiLlY_ rings his own vbell.. Mar 17 05:40:50 I didn't increment the build no, but I did check it out in my emu Mar 17 05:41:46 My Account populates my friends count and games Mar 17 05:41:54 but, beyond that i got a big white screen everywhere I go Mar 17 05:42:02 hmmmm Mar 17 05:42:10 what does palm-log say? Mar 17 05:42:43 where would i see what it says? Mar 17 05:43:10 start menu->cmd->palm-log -f com.silentbluesystems.steamfriends Mar 17 05:43:22 assuming terminal will work, 2 shakes Mar 17 05:43:53 alright Mar 17 05:43:59 it says following, so, i try running it again? Mar 17 05:44:09 yeah Mar 17 05:44:16 following logs for application com.silentbluesystems.steamfriends Mar 17 05:44:16 [20100317-00:44:16.750305] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'friendsList' setup(): TypeError: Object [[]] has no method 'unshift Mar 17 05:44:22 man, that palm-log thing is the tits Mar 17 05:44:35 and actually, whats your custom url? Mar 17 05:44:57 no custom, what i want is taken and im bitter Mar 17 05:44:59 but, 18 dig is http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197963197317/ Mar 17 05:45:35 if i go to home - games Mar 17 05:45:49 i can get a similar error Mar 17 05:46:52 hmmmm Mar 17 05:47:01 I pulled it up in my emu and its working Mar 17 05:47:19 i delete and reinstall for giggles Mar 17 05:47:39 wont matter methinks Mar 17 05:47:51 neither would 1.3.5.1? Mar 17 05:48:06 no Mar 17 05:48:22 but I have a version that wipes out the cookie on app startup Mar 17 05:48:32 indeed, still sadness Mar 17 05:49:04 w00t! Mar 17 05:49:08 hmm Mar 17 05:49:18 home doesn't actually do anything Mar 17 05:50:00 can somebody ding me. Want to see if vbell is working Mar 17 05:50:08 * FuMan humps SiLlY_ Mar 17 05:50:11 * FuMan humps SiLlY_ Mar 17 05:50:12 * FuMan humps SiLlY_ Mar 17 05:50:14 lol Mar 17 05:50:20 glad it didnt work Mar 17 05:50:22 :p Mar 17 05:50:41 :> Mar 17 05:50:52 Wierd sayin this but, ty? Mar 17 05:50:55 :D Mar 17 05:51:11 Fuman, thats a really weird error you got Mar 17 05:51:18 I can't replicate it Mar 17 05:51:38 what can i say, I'm awesome Mar 17 05:53:02 oh, and my avatar thingie is failing Mar 17 05:55:10 ok, version 0.6.1 is up Mar 17 05:55:38 and it forces the cookie with steamid to null at startup Mar 17 05:56:00 halfhalo_T400_: does your app actually use any internals stuff? Mar 17 05:56:16 no Mar 17 05:56:23 not this one Mar 17 05:56:35 we just sorta got sidetracked to internals Mar 17 05:58:09 lame Mar 17 05:58:23 the door on my microUSB just broke Mar 17 05:58:30 no my phone will forever look thug Mar 17 05:58:45 awawawwwwwwwwwww Mar 17 05:59:29 that reminds me Mar 17 05:59:39 I need to charge my laptop Mar 17 05:59:52 haha Mar 17 06:00:56 well, i've got a my steam menu Mar 17 06:01:00 but still a blank card Mar 17 06:01:21 [20100317-01:00:54.830261] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'friendsList' setup(): TypeError: Object [[]] has no method 'unshift' Mar 17 06:01:22 [20100317-01:00:54.830261] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'friendsList' setup(): TypeError: Object [[]] has no method 'unshift' Mar 17 06:01:22 [20100317-01:00:54.830261] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'friendsList' setup(): TypeError: Object [[]] has no method 'unshift' Mar 17 06:01:25 wow, sorry about that. Mar 17 06:02:15 wtf Mar 17 06:02:22 lol Mar 17 06:02:37 try reopening the app and putting halfhalo as the custom url Mar 17 06:02:56 night Mar 17 06:04:19 same jazz Mar 17 06:04:38 woa wtf Mar 17 06:04:46 it just overrode my input Mar 17 06:10:01 new version Mar 17 06:10:11 shuts off one of the overriding features Mar 17 06:13:45 same version number? Mar 17 06:13:55 no Mar 17 06:14:01 shouldnt be Mar 17 06:14:34 0.6.2 Mar 17 06:14:41 just appeare Mar 17 06:14:42 dd Mar 17 06:14:43 -d Mar 17 06:15:40 same logs, even with halfhalo :> Mar 17 06:15:50 WTF Mar 17 06:15:54 i gotta jet, but best of luck getting things cooking :> Mar 17 06:16:13 It may be 1.3.5 Mar 17 06:16:34 possibly Mar 17 06:16:44 but unfortunately Mar 17 06:16:48 i'd give my kingdom for 800mhz Mar 17 06:21:44 lmao.. check out vba thread. Another one of my photochop mods. Mar 17 06:22:58 SiLlY_: LOL Mar 17 06:23:04 :D Mar 17 06:24:40 NODOZE! Mar 17 06:49:46 I'm out, thanks everyone. Mar 17 06:49:50 I'm stoked!! Mar 17 06:49:52 CTCP VERSION reply from SiLlY_: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux armv7l Mar 17 06:49:54 :) Mar 17 07:18:59 Hi all Mar 17 07:20:39 one quick question, I'm from mexico and i have a Sprint Palm Pre, i've been using the meta-doctor for a while and it just ocurred to me, if I could install the Verizon Wireless Rom into the spint pre? Mar 17 07:21:53 the thing is my carrier here in mexico, allows tethering, so I could easily use the Mobile HotSpot.... Mar 17 07:28:07 anyone? Mar 17 07:44:17 one quick question, I'm from mexico and i have a Sprint Palm Pre, i've been using the meta-doctor for a while and it just ocurred to me, if I could install the Verizon Wireless Rom into the spint pre? Mar 17 07:46:49 mandaman2k: if you use the REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK feature on meta-doctor, probably. Mar 17 07:48:20 thanks rwhitby, I tried that option + bypass activation, and when it boots up, I have no carrier specific app installed Mar 17 07:48:42 mandaman2k: that's correct. you don't have a license to use apps from a different carrier Mar 17 07:49:14 that's why the carrier check feature removes them before flashing Mar 17 07:49:55 mmmm, even dough i'm installing the full verizon rom? all I needed was the Mobile Hotspot, jejeje Mar 17 07:50:25 do you have a license from Palm or Verizon to use that app on a non-Verizon device? Mar 17 07:51:10 If not, a legitimate tool like the meta-doctor is not going to assist you to do so. Mar 17 07:51:50 well no, jejeje, sorry Mar 17 07:53:09 even though, i would like to thak you for this great app, because without it i wouldn't even have a Pre here in mexico Mar 17 08:31:41 hi there, anyone know why I get "Fatal ipkg configuration failure undefined" when I launch preware? Mar 17 08:39:37 I don't seem to have a /media/cryptofs directory although Preware is installed. I think that this is causing the problem. Can anyone help me? Mar 17 10:33:37 hi, recently i can't hear anything on the little ear-speaker of my pre rather than the counterpart can hear me when i try to phone. Looks like the micro/ear speaker does not work. If i use a headset i can hear everything. Whats wrong with my pre? Mar 17 14:45:44 would you look at this crap irc app here.... Mar 17 14:45:46 :p Mar 17 14:48:15 halfhalo: better then none Mar 17 14:48:33 true. possibly Mar 17 14:48:50 * halfhalo kids... Mar 17 14:48:58 better then free irc apps for my 700p Mar 17 14:50:35 heh Mar 17 14:51:22 I am bored sitting in class with nothing to do but read mlia Mar 17 14:52:08 halfhalo: i must say i like wIRC... whats that crappy about it? Mar 17 14:52:44 oh, nothing, I was just giving oil and them a hard time Mar 17 14:52:51 My biggest problem with wIRC is that it refuses to connect to an irssi proxy. Mar 17 14:52:58 xalbo: mine too... Mar 17 14:53:10 i want to investigate that as soon as i got time... Mar 17 14:53:22 (and that if luna crashes, it's next to impossible to disconnect a connection) Mar 17 14:53:40 having each query and channel in a seperate card is nice Mar 17 14:53:43 do it from the other side Mar 17 14:53:46 It makes the connection, but it seems like it never gets what it's expecting, so it *thinks* it isn't connected. Mar 17 14:54:04 connect to here then ghost the old one Mar 17 14:54:38 a notification area, showing activity in all channels/queries even without mention would be nice Mar 17 14:55:06 Lumiere: I'm not sure I follow you. Mar 17 14:55:40 Oh, I see. Fixing the disconnection problem, not the proxy. Mar 17 14:55:51 yea Mar 17 14:57:26 fffffffffffffffffffff. anyone here with a steam account and 1.3.5.1? Mar 17 14:59:28 steam yes, but why would I want to stay on 1.3.5.1 Mar 17 14:59:37 my battery life literally doubled with 1.4 Mar 17 15:00:29 I just need someone to test in steamfriends doesn't work on 1.3.5.1 Mar 17 15:01:42 * Lumiere didn't even know that steam worked on the pre..... Mar 17 15:02:02 it's a steam community app Mar 17 15:03:12 but im rewriting it to be faster than the version in the web distro and preware Mar 17 15:04:42 and apparently I have two bugs, one which is overriding the viewing of others friends lists Mar 17 15:04:53 and avatar on/off toggle fails Mar 17 15:05:45 I just wish valve would release a steam friends IM api Mar 17 15:06:11 so do I.... Mar 17 15:06:18 so people could use 3rd party clients to chat (say... pidgin or xmpp from palm) Mar 17 15:06:24 although I have an xfire one in the works Mar 17 18:37:27 hi, anybody out there? Mar 17 18:37:33 yes Mar 17 18:38:05 ok, it seems that my pre's ear-speaker and the micro does not work Mar 17 18:38:42 when someone calls me i can't hear anything and the callee can't hear me Mar 17 18:38:57 with a headset i can hear the callee Mar 17 18:39:12 start a call Mar 17 18:39:22 and plug and unplug it till it works right Mar 17 18:39:36 its the headphones jack, mine gets stuck like that every so often Mar 17 18:44:04 ugh that problem Mar 17 18:44:04 i hate it Mar 17 18:44:33 it gets stuck thinking it has a headphone/mic plugged into the socket, because they used a crap socket Mar 17 18:44:52 eventually it gets worse and worse and you have to have the phone replaced Mar 17 18:45:06 they apparently used the same crap socket as they did for the treo, because treos had the same problem Mar 17 18:45:17 i went through like 6 treos because of that Mar 17 18:47:35 when i plug and unplug the headset that has nothing to do with the micro that does not seem to work too Mar 17 18:54:11 hawiwo: when you use the headset, the micro is incorporated in the headset, too. Mar 17 18:54:32 and the problem seems to be, that the socket "thinks" a headset would be connected... Mar 17 18:54:36 hawiwo - do some searches on precentral.net. it's a very, very common problem. Mar 17 18:55:16 when it thinks there is a headset plugged in, it disables both the builtin speaker and the builtin microphone, in favor of the ones on the headset it thinks are there Mar 17 18:55:50 the only problem is that it's wrong about there being a headset connected, so you have to somehow convince it there isn't one. sometimes jiggling/cleaning the headset socket helps, etc Mar 17 18:58:08 all the time befor this problem arised i used my pre with that microphonless headset and used the build in pri-micro with no problem so that could not be true Mar 17 18:58:18 ok Mar 17 18:58:21 good luck, then Mar 17 19:23:07 I just installed the Preware on my Pre and it keeps giving me an error "The Package Manager Service is not running" Mar 17 19:23:21 does it need to be manually kicked off in the Terminal? Mar 17 19:23:34 or did I just miss a step Mar 17 19:23:44 did you install the package manager service? Mar 17 19:23:50 its a seperate app Mar 17 19:25:12 Apparently not is that on the Webos-internals site also? Mar 17 19:25:38 halfwit: how did you install Preware? Mar 17 19:26:17 via WGet from Novaterm Mar 17 19:26:41 halfwit: if you have novaterm access you can get preware installed in a foolproof way by following these easy instructions Mar 17 19:27:10 halfwit: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap Mar 17 19:27:17 (I'll paste them here, they're easy) Mar 17 19:27:18 cd /tmp Mar 17 19:27:23 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Mar 17 19:27:28 sh preware-bootstrap Mar 17 19:27:52 thats exacty what I had done and restarted Mar 17 19:28:14 if i need to start fresh do i have to run the webosdoctor? Mar 17 19:28:28 halfwit: you shouldn't need to doctor your phone, no Mar 17 19:29:26 I was on version 1.03 when i attempted to do the Preware install Mar 17 19:29:33 it just updated to 1.4 Mar 17 19:29:42 could that have cause the conflict Mar 17 19:29:54 halfwit: no that should be fine Mar 17 19:29:58 please do this for me: Mar 17 19:30:07 run the preware-bootstrap program again Mar 17 19:30:22 ok Mar 17 19:30:25 brb Mar 17 19:30:29 wait Mar 17 19:30:30 :) Mar 17 19:31:05 it should tell you "You have PreWare version x.y.z installed already. Do you want to replace it with version a.b.c" ... make note of x.y.z and a.b.c. Mar 17 19:31:17 It should do the same thing for you for the package manager service. Mar 17 19:31:50 After preware-bootstrap has run but BEFORE you reboot your phone, I'd also like for you to grab the file /tmp/preware-bootstrap.log" Mar 17 19:34:26 To do that: novacom get file:////tmp/preware-bootstrap.log > preware-bootstrap.log Mar 17 19:37:46 IPKG Ver 0.9.43 Mar 17 19:38:01 Preware Ver 0.9.3 Mar 17 19:38:48 halfwit: any chance that's 0.9.30? There are 27 releases between 0.9.3 and 0.9.30 ... Mar 17 19:39:04 yes sorry Mar 17 19:39:07 9.30 Mar 17 19:39:09 no worries :) Mar 17 19:39:25 lol Mar 17 19:39:36 OMGLOLLMAO Mar 17 19:40:14 halfwit: what did the preware-bootstrap script say about your package manager service? Mar 17 19:40:41 (note if it says "you have 0.9.30 do you want to replace that with 0.9.30 {the same version}" you can say no. Mar 17 19:42:03 I selected yes on both Mar 17 19:42:22 the log shows both were uninstalled and then reinstalled Mar 17 19:42:33 with the same version Mar 17 19:43:32 oh man. i just did something stupid Mar 17 19:44:13 was backing up my pre, and moving some stuff around, and accidentally threw in an "rm -fr /Volumes/PALM \PRE" Mar 17 19:44:58 who does that. Mar 17 19:44:59 unfortunately the backup was only partially completed... i don't think i got any of the hidden directories. Mar 17 19:45:18 i didn't know I was in /Volumes, thought I was elsewhere Mar 17 19:45:53 i copied everything back, but i guess i lost all of the apps. the palm tried to restore the apps, but it looks like the cryptofs directory is gone Mar 17 19:46:15 you should try the webos repair 2.0 Mar 17 19:46:35 halfwit: okay, can you start preware now? Mar 17 19:46:55 but that might not do anything heh. Mar 17 19:47:00 I think so it is loading the package info Mar 17 19:47:11 oc80z: alright, i'll give that a shot Mar 17 19:47:12 halfwit: you fixed it! Mar 17 19:47:19 THANKS FOR THE HELP MAN Mar 17 19:47:47 JustinHoMi yeah .. but Mar 17 19:49:49 crap, is there a 1.4.0 doctor available? I only see 1.3.5 on palm.com Mar 17 19:50:38 yeah Mar 17 19:50:43 precentral has it Mar 17 19:50:43 eh, i got it... the page on palm.com was outdated Mar 17 19:51:01 it may / may not be. Mar 17 19:51:35 oc80z: so you were saying? but... ? :) Mar 17 19:54:06 hrm Mar 17 19:54:13 i just doctored last night so im still messing with things Mar 17 19:54:27 what else did u wipe out? Mar 17 19:54:44 everything in /media/internal, apparantly Mar 17 19:55:29 after i run the repair tool i'll start up the emulator and see what is gone Mar 17 19:55:35 cause u said volumes / palm pre Mar 17 19:55:38 hi. Mar 17 19:55:49 where is /volumes Mar 17 19:55:58 i dont have mlocate installed yet , heh. Mar 17 19:56:49 that's a directory on my mac. basically, i mounted the Pre in USB mode, then whiped the entire volume Mar 17 19:57:05 so whatever shows up in USB mode (/media/internal ?) is gone Mar 17 20:01:35 i find it aggrivating that the optware-bootstrap.sh is no longer in use Mar 17 20:01:54 oc80z: ??? it's in preware Mar 17 20:02:13 i dont see any changes in iptables -L Mar 17 20:03:34 what is the purpose of /etc/udev/mount.blacklist ? the repair utility says it has changed Mar 17 20:04:46 was mobi.optwar.openssh not executed? Mar 17 20:06:12 * oc80z blames terminus Mar 17 20:06:13 well, webosrepair didn't really find anything. just two unrelated files in /etc Mar 17 20:06:48 JustinHoMi yeah nvm i gave u a wrong answer. Mar 17 20:07:06 oc80z: s'ok, was worth a try Mar 17 20:07:43 root:: Mar 17 20:10:16 what is contained in /media/internal/.palm ? The filenames are all gibberish Mar 17 20:11:11 Isn't that the apps? Mar 17 20:11:38 that'd make sense. where is the user profile information stored? Mar 17 20:12:16 not sure Mar 17 20:13:46 hmmm my /media/cryptofs is missing... Mar 17 20:23:41 comments? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:X#Packaging_Proposal Mar 17 20:24:22 (if people care enough to discuss :D) Mar 17 20:24:34 jacques, rwhitby, epv: ^^^^^^^^^ :) Mar 17 20:26:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:X#Packaging_Proposal Mar 17 20:26:52 hape: ? Mar 17 20:27:11 you're more then welcome to join the discussion, just not sure why you pasted that again :) Mar 17 20:28:33 sorry, wron key Mar 17 20:28:43 s/wron/wrong/ Mar 17 20:28:43 hape meant: sorry, wrong key Mar 17 20:29:14 I copied the link to the browser, but pasted it here as an error... Mar 17 20:31:06 kk, it happens. just making sure if you had something to say I wasn't missing it Mar 17 20:31:54 dtzWill: seems reasonable. only thing I'm not sure about is package named x11 is the launcher for xorg-server Mar 17 20:32:28 jacques: well that's because we already renamed it once, and it presently is called 'x11'. Not because it made sense. so we can scratch that. do you have a suggestion? Mar 17 20:33:19 dtzWill: even if I'n not on the cire team. You ideas sounds good for me if you care Mar 17 20:33:38 dtzWill: no suggestion. on second thought, maybe it's fine Mar 17 20:33:55 hape: there's a reason I posted to the channel. glad you approve. just want to get this right since it'll be hard to change later :) Mar 17 20:34:25 dtzWill: how to handle apps depending on libs ? Mar 17 20:34:40 jacques: preware dependencies? Mar 17 20:35:03 well, more specifically, if each lib is its own package, and an app depends on say 10 libs, how will the app know where to find all the libs? Mar 17 20:35:16 if we can sort out a good idea of how to do this, the next step is making shipping these things EASY and get this stuff ported over quickly. already it's become so much easier to add things to the cross_compile tree Mar 17 20:35:21 even more specifically, how will the app be built to know where to find the libs Mar 17 20:35:33 jacques: oh, yeah. so there's that. the current solution is hardcore a long list of rpaths. terrible, yes Mar 17 20:36:14 of course ideally they'd go in the same place, or a least in what appears to be the same place (via symlinks or something) Mar 17 20:36:34 (or special mount magic or whatever) Mar 17 20:37:09 I like the idea to be able to have each app as an icon or only one icon for a window manager. The ony problem I see is how the window manager finds the instaled apps. as it an app could be installed later. Or the user remove the window mager to try out a different one. I expect this will get a havy scripting pasr Mar 17 20:37:11 jacques: that is a weak point, but I don't know that I want to champion a proper solution for that. if there was one, i'd happily integrate it in, and help make it happen/try it out Mar 17 20:37:11 I'm not bringing this up because I have a solution in mind - I just don't know - all the schemes we had come up with have little/no chance of ever being supported by app catalog Mar 17 20:38:00 jacques: right :/. do we know if apps can write to /media/internal? if so we *could* have each put it's libraries there... Mar 17 20:38:14 /media/internal/x11/ prefix, /media/internal/x11/lib, etc Mar 17 20:38:47 it gets tricky with no symlink support Mar 17 20:39:18 hape: well I was going to count on existing convention to make that happen. that said i'm not sure how wm's do it, but perhaps we can take some semi-standard and make sure the wm's we port respect it. Mar 17 20:39:34 hape: but yes that needs to be ironed out, good call. Mar 17 20:41:58 now I cannot recall rwhitby's objection to messing around with ld.so.conf / ld.so.cache Mar 17 20:42:04 yeah Mar 17 20:42:08 huge game tonight too, Mar 17 20:42:17 oops,. wrong win. Mar 17 20:42:27 someone have a public rdp server I can test against? :P Mar 17 20:42:41 i don't WANNA boot up an xp vm... Mar 17 20:43:04 not I Mar 17 20:43:14 haha I hope no one has a public rdp server :) Mar 17 20:45:28 I seem to recall a few years ago someone figured out how to make google search for such things Mar 17 20:45:34 they found lots Mar 17 20:48:24 staged rdesktop, xterm, icewm, gtk haha Mar 17 20:48:31 \o/ Mar 17 20:48:57 also i/we/someone needs to find a good way to package these that doesn't involve lots of pain (figuring out exactly which files are needed, etc) Mar 17 20:49:26 basicallly sr2pkg's trackinstall haha Mar 17 20:50:07 cool Mar 17 20:52:21 morning Mar 17 20:52:37 good evening ;-) Mar 17 20:55:51 morning rwhitby Mar 17 20:56:40 iPhone games ported to webOS in 'a matter of days' on tap for GDC? Mar 17 21:15:23 woot Mar 17 21:15:30 i get to play Xplane for homework Mar 17 21:26:42 ok, so Mode Switcher repo has been created, and the author will start submitting stuff today Mar 17 21:26:49 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/224544-mode-switcher.html Mar 17 21:26:50 Mode Switcher ? Mar 17 21:27:07 hi Mar 17 21:27:46 oh neat, interesting app Mar 17 21:28:29 rwhitby: do you know if any other app/game already uses midi music? Mar 17 21:29:13 just got it running for Duke, but I put the timidity.cfg and the patch files into the Duke3D directory Mar 17 21:29:37 wouldn't be a good idea if someone also also uses timidity to play midid :) Mar 17 21:30:02 I might force a new directory: /media/internals/timidiity Mar 17 21:30:07 for cfg and patches Mar 17 21:32:01 MetaView: not aware of anyone else using midi Mar 17 21:32:43 then I introduce the timidity folder into /media/internals Mar 17 21:32:48 That does look useful. Mar 17 21:34:06 * Mercury wants a text to speach service. Mar 17 21:35:18 * rwhitby worries about all the directories being added to /media/internals Mar 17 21:35:40 Mercury: translate.google.com Mar 17 21:35:46 Mercury: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/comp.speech/Section5/Synth/rsynth.html Mar 17 21:36:05 i actually thought a tts service might be interesting too Mar 17 21:36:30 so if you had a bluetooth headset, or were otherwise too busy to look at the phone, it could say the name of the person calling Mar 17 21:36:34 http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en&q=What%20about%20some%20better%20Text2Speech? Mar 17 21:37:08 MetaView: That doesn't help for what bpadalino|work just said, which is why I want one. Mar 17 21:37:20 Why? Mar 17 21:37:39 TTS for callers means I can ignore the phone when I'm on call unless it says that it's work. Mar 17 21:37:45 it's an Ajax Get request and you get some mp3 back Mar 17 21:37:55 latency will be a killer for that one Mar 17 21:38:00 hm Mar 17 21:38:03 You don't get data and voice at the same time. Mar 17 21:38:11 good call on that one too mercury Mar 17 21:38:14 Not on CDMA networks anyhow. Mar 17 21:38:19 then you better speak the name of each of your contacts :) Mar 17 21:38:26 dtzWill arround? Mar 17 21:39:24 it wouldn't be a bad thing if the phone just pick up the call if you have a headset connected Mar 17 21:39:40 it would be terrible to pick up the call if you don't want to answer it Mar 17 21:39:42 sorry to bug you guys but there is no action in webos, anyone know vnc options for pre ? Mar 17 21:39:50 bpadalino|work: espeak might also be a good choice, being reasonably compact and GPLed. Mar 17 21:40:06 Mercury: go nuts - it sounds like something you can get carried away with Mar 17 21:40:12 * rwhitby bbl Mar 17 21:40:36 we have some good experience with C services now - so interfacing to a C library would be easy peasy Mar 17 21:40:54 MetaView: how well does timidity/midi music in duke3d work? Mar 17 21:41:08 bpadalino|work: I have a lack of time, and one other fairly invasive patch to work on first. Mar 17 21:41:08 MetaView: does it noticeably affect framerate? Mar 17 21:41:32 Mercury: understandable .. take your time ;) Mar 17 21:41:37 good question, but it shouldn't Mar 17 21:41:53 it didn't had any visible impact on Palm OS Mar 17 21:42:11 I couldn't recognize an impact Mar 17 21:42:13 if it works well and doesn't require too many resources, I could see lots of projects using it Mar 17 21:42:21 yes Mar 17 21:42:27 Doom is using it as well Mar 17 21:42:38 on the pre? Mar 17 21:42:52 btw, what about scumm? Mar 17 21:43:07 no, the original Doom is using Midi for music Mar 17 21:43:18 God, I wish I had a dedicated server for making a webos dropbox app Mar 17 21:43:20 and scumm (Monkey island) too, or? Mar 17 21:43:32 bpadalino|work: (A flag for some contacts to have them ignore the silence switch. After that, if the funambol people still have not gotten a syncml interface program going then attacking that will be next.) Mar 17 21:45:21 oc80z: i'm here now Mar 17 21:57:56 halfhalo_T400 what do you mean. Mar 17 21:58:13 Dropbox app with a php middleware server Mar 17 21:58:15 dtzWill i hope we can mod mobi.optware.openssh Mar 17 21:59:01 -o permitrootlogin no -o passwordauthentication yes Mar 17 21:59:19 hmm Mar 17 21:59:44 would it be safe to adduser -h /media/internal/userdir Mar 17 21:59:54 hrm nvm. Mar 17 21:59:59 thats fat32 Mar 17 22:00:08 and not mounted for that. Mar 17 22:00:42 oh actually its rw, but vfat. Mar 17 22:01:47 for the record, winscp is junk. why do we direct users to it. Mar 17 22:02:20 oc80z: Wy? Mar 17 22:02:36 there is a latency gain by using SCP over SFTP Mar 17 22:03:34 winscp is junk, it uses putty. Mar 17 22:04:19 and putty has its limitations, for starters, its not very stable running virtualized in a 64bit environment, it crashes and floors the cpus Mar 17 22:04:29 what do you mean by that? I used it a long time withour any problems and do not know a better one for windows 'Mäuseschubser'.... Mar 17 22:04:41 mouse what Mar 17 22:04:49 mousecatcher? Mar 17 22:04:58 :-) Do not know the englisch word Mar 17 22:05:20 oc80z: Yes that is it :-) Mar 17 22:05:33 yeah Mar 17 22:06:08 It's a fun name in German for users that only uses the GUI and has know idea whats happening in the background Mar 17 22:06:15 winscp is cool Mar 17 22:06:37 baeh Mar 17 22:06:58 :) nic ehape Mar 17 22:07:21 oc80z: The best one I every had was a poster on a office wall. 'C:> everything else is for mousecatchers' Mar 17 22:07:28 go ahead, tastenficker ;) Mar 17 22:07:50 lol Mar 17 22:08:16 MetaView winscp is not cool. Mar 17 22:08:36 well, it is Mar 17 22:09:00 it works just better than gFTP Mar 17 22:09:26 yikes,. ok well. the 'scene' uses FlashFXP Mar 17 22:09:35 it reconnects without hazzle, it opens a file in my local browser and copy it to remote after save Mar 17 22:09:46 and the 3.8 (?) beta will have SFTP support. Mar 17 22:09:52 local editor Mar 17 22:10:41 regardless. Mar 17 22:10:50 what are we using Mar 17 22:11:00 in optware there is OpenSSH SFTP Server Mar 17 22:11:16 hey Mar 17 22:11:26 le swiss Mar 17 22:12:15 hallo Mar 17 22:13:47 anyone get wtorrent up Mar 17 22:13:55 think ill do that Mar 17 22:14:04 i like the utorrent app. Mar 17 22:14:58 for what you use a torrent client on the Pre with only 6GB of storage? Mar 17 22:15:21 I have a storage problem all the time without any downloads... Mar 17 22:16:24 6GB is a lot Mar 17 22:16:42 I have only 150kb free. Mar 17 22:16:42 i dont care when my buddy says look i got 32GB on my nokia Mar 17 22:16:55 on media internal? Mar 17 22:16:59 as I use it as an mp3 player too Mar 17 22:17:06 oc80z: yes Mar 17 22:17:16 yeah i have like 550 songs on it. Mar 17 22:17:22 most are mp3s. Mar 17 22:17:33 I think about 4000 Mar 17 22:18:05 ok Mar 17 22:18:41 i am just worried about /opt Mar 17 22:18:44 I like to be able to choose depanding on my current feeling Mar 17 22:19:08 well store-var Mar 17 22:21:22 what all do you have in opt? For me only ssh and vpnc. Mar 17 22:22:58 i am going to install a bunch of dumb stuff. Mar 17 22:24:04 how long have been using linux hape? Mar 17 22:24:24 for ever? hehe. Mar 17 22:24:42 on the desctop for about 5 month, on the server/embedded about 5-6 years Mar 17 22:26:47 on the pre I use the command line only to ssh into server and check things. Mar 17 22:33:31 mm Mar 17 22:38:09 what do you do on the pre where you only have acommand line tool for. Mar 17 22:38:11 hehe Mäuseschubser Mar 17 22:38:30 For a quick edit of scripts i have VI and thats it Mar 17 22:38:47 oc80z: On the Pre, yep Mar 17 22:39:18 oh, hey, look at that. I have 1.3.5.1 on my desktop emu. Mar 17 22:39:20 :/ Mar 17 22:39:32 i remember back like in june i ran a webcam off the pre Mar 17 22:39:34 But I partly know the background and learn more every day how palm impemented the functions Mar 17 22:40:39 oc80z: nice. I'm not that good in C on linux..... Mar 17 22:40:53 hape: is C different outside of linux? Mar 17 22:41:19 only for mousecatchers Mar 17 22:41:20 hehe Mar 17 22:41:28 Only did a litte bit on Plugin development for the vdr on my ebedded box. Mar 17 22:42:11 zsoc: No, i more mean the interface. how to talk to differnts parts of the system. Mar 17 22:42:32 i c Mar 17 22:42:54 For daly business I do Lotus Notes database/application development Mar 17 22:43:33 hape u work near karlsruhe? Mar 17 22:43:42 (need a job there) Mar 17 22:43:57 oc80z: Are you in germany? Mar 17 22:44:21 not right now, i would be if i could get a petitioned visa Mar 17 22:44:38 I'm located in Frankurt but work for a Customer in Cologne at the moment Mar 17 22:44:55 oc80z: where are you from? Mar 17 22:44:56 it would work out because family-inlaws etc.. Mar 17 22:45:09 the states Mar 17 22:45:24 about a block or 3 from MIT Mar 17 22:45:37 ;] Mar 17 22:45:47 MIT? Mar 17 22:45:56 yeah some hackers there or somthing.. Mar 17 22:46:38 lol Mar 17 22:47:06 bbtm Mar 17 22:47:44 heh i am compiling libtorrent on the pre now. Mar 17 22:49:06 er.. configuring. Mar 17 22:49:30 ^^ Mar 17 22:52:49 some bad entry's in the configure script. Mar 17 22:54:43 we'll see Mar 17 22:55:47 draeath: to further answer your question, if you're looking at something CLI based, you don't need to make it 'webos' specific, just cross compile for ARM Mar 17 22:56:01 Nah, I want a 'point-n-clicky' :) Mar 17 22:56:11 ah i see Mar 17 22:56:30 So, i could have a 'backend' that does all the real work, and the 'frontend' in javascript/mojo that displays and interacts with my 'backend' ? Mar 17 22:56:31 draeath: Well, you may want to completely ignore the PDK then, and look into the service examples on the webos-internals git Mar 17 22:56:45 anyoen want to glance Mar 17 22:56:45 draeath: that's how Preware works. and wIRC, and most other useful homebrew apps Mar 17 22:57:03 Thanks :) - just confirming that I'm on the right 'path' architecturally wise Mar 17 22:57:25 wanted to solidify that before i start the 'planning'/design phase of my nonsense Mar 17 22:57:44 draeath: conceptualization is ridiculously important, and generally the part I miss Mar 17 22:58:23 I also see how valuable this is going to be for me if I can pull this off. The things I learn with this SHOULD carry to any kind of AJAX-like situation Mar 17 22:58:38 draeath: er.. well.. not really Mar 17 22:58:49 draeath: I mean it _could_, that's more towards the official methodology Mar 17 22:59:15 draeath: The idea behind services, you just use json to pass variables back and forth between abstractions (assuming i even understand it correctly) Mar 17 22:59:39 Going to have to look up json - seen it but know nothing about it Mar 17 23:00:13 draeath: It's _ridiculously_ simple Mar 17 23:01:15 ooooh! so json is the 'protocol' that would be used between the different "peices" (sorry for using all these wierd terms. conceptualizing :P ) Mar 17 23:01:55 draeath: what's the application you are developing? Mar 17 23:02:10 i'm thinking of a basic text NNTP client Mar 17 23:02:48 oc80z: just edit the /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh to change login options Mar 17 23:03:07 draeath: rwhitby is the real mastermind, btw Mar 17 23:03:11 yep Mar 17 23:03:25 it was a big deal to do that, btw. Mar 17 23:04:10 pastebin.com/k8G9iaU9 Mar 17 23:04:15 a big deal? Mar 17 23:04:34 novaterm in, rootfs_open, vi file .... Mar 17 23:04:56 Is the terminal app still broke? Mar 17 23:05:04 or did I do something Bad (TM) to my Pre? Mar 17 23:05:42 draeath: terminal is not functioning in 1.4 Mar 17 23:06:10 yeah, it was, because of the un-bridged VLAN the pre was on. Mar 17 23:06:53 Do we know why etc? Or should I just remove it at this point? Mar 17 23:07:16 draeath terminus. Mar 17 23:07:19 draeath: we basically know why Mar 17 23:07:23 draeath: we've fixed the crash (not yet pushed), but there is another change in 1.4 which is causing it not to work correctly. Mar 17 23:07:25 draeath: xterm using xserver :D Mar 17 23:07:42 How's terminus working? Mar 17 23:07:47 SDL backend Mar 17 23:07:56 er, i mean does it work pretty well? Mar 17 23:08:15 draeath: no scroll buffer, can't make certain symbols, otherwise it works great Mar 17 23:08:33 sounds good for my usage :) thanks again Mar 17 23:10:55 draeath no pipe key Mar 17 23:11:10 oi! ok, maybe not. Better than no terminal though Mar 17 23:11:10 but yeah it does ./what you need to do Mar 17 23:12:51 why the heck does terminus need upstart manager service? Mar 17 23:13:26 old dep Mar 17 23:14:50 Well i think that's enough annoying newbie questions for now. Mar 17 23:15:57 draeath http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/03/libc-free-world/ Mar 17 23:19:14 That's a bit beyond me :) - though I understand enough to 'get' it Mar 17 23:19:28 yea Mar 17 23:19:45 as long as you can write the stack overflows, right? Mar 17 23:19:58 I've written an x86 assembly program that left an arbitrary number as a return value. Can't get much more basic than that :P Mar 17 23:20:13 thats some crazy stuff right there. Mar 17 23:20:40 what out the feds dont find out about that. Mar 17 23:21:09 Huh? Mar 17 23:23:09 oil: ping - do you reckon Preware would be able to parse dependency alternatives? e.g. Depends: ( a | b ) Mar 17 23:24:08 the question is, can ipkg do it? Mar 17 23:24:11 can ipkg Mar 17 23:24:20 (i think it can, at least on my openwrt router (which uses ipkg)) Mar 17 23:24:23 example use case? Mar 17 23:24:25 installing autoconf wont check if perl is installed Mar 17 23:24:51 Well here's one (that isn't specifically phone related). Mar 17 23:25:09 Package Foo needs a MUA. You can have any of a variety of MUAs installed. (mail user agent). Mar 17 23:25:27 egaudet: two conflicting patches, both provide a specific feature, and something else (like a mode switcher app) depends on that feature Mar 17 23:26:19 make that feature it's own patch :P Mar 17 23:26:36 but does ipkg support | ? Mar 17 23:29:48 it seems at first thought that | would be for packages with duplicated code which could be separated into it's own package Mar 17 23:33:05 egaudet: yes, ipkg supports it Mar 17 23:33:35 but in reality, nothing is using ipkg's real dependency support - it's all done inside preware. Mar 17 23:34:30 us command-line users use it :P Mar 17 23:34:57 sup peeps! Mar 17 23:35:13 egaudet: if you do, you'll be risking not running postinsts Mar 17 23:35:25 I run them manually Mar 17 23:36:14 I normally use preware obviously but every now again and I have the need to do stuff from the command-line Mar 17 23:36:57 egaudet: BTW, I think we need to move remount rw into the aupt scripts Mar 17 23:37:14 i agree Mar 17 23:37:22 why Mar 17 23:37:30 error checking or to get rid of remount in preware Mar 17 23:37:34 mainly so they will work as PmPostInstall.script Mar 17 23:38:23 need to check the mount source code to see if remount is a noop if it's already rw Mar 17 23:41:44 yeah ipkg obv screams if u uninstall a dep Mar 17 23:49:12 just as rtorrent does when u check to see if its xmlrpc ready Mar 17 23:49:51 I wonder if webos carriers would hate me if I made a user friendly torrent app Mar 17 23:50:51 I think running torrents via the data network would be a fast-track to disconnection Mar 17 23:51:31 To be safe I'd make it a toggle whether to function over the data link, and default to disabling it (but say, allow someone to enable it at their own risk) Mar 17 23:51:42 True, wifi would be reasonable Mar 17 23:51:46 so you could, out of the box, work it via wifi Mar 17 23:51:55 Also, I was downloading at 500KB/s on wifi before. Mar 17 23:52:05 1.4 seems to have spiffied things up Mar 17 23:55:01 Yeah Mar 17 23:55:08 It makes a big difference in my app Mar 17 23:56:19 Suggestion: Have both a client running on the pre and one on a host computer. That way if their on wifi: use pre's client; while if their on evdo, have the computer download it and upload it from there to the pre Mar 17 23:58:40 sounds extremely difficult to implement and keep in sync Mar 17 23:59:41 though if you used something like torrentflux on the 'home' PC, you could just use the pre as an interface to it. don't know if you've used it before, but once the download finishes you can access the data via http (or https, if you 'wrap' it in apache) Mar 17 23:59:56 wait, new thought Mar 17 23:59:59 utorrent Mar 18 00:00:02 know why? Mar 18 00:00:39 because it integrates with divx web player to start playing before its done downloading Mar 18 00:10:49 didn't know that about utorrent. Thanks halfhalo! Mar 18 00:16:04 do a search for "NSLU2 torrent" to find the lightest-weight torrent stuff which is in Optware Mar 18 00:16:20 rwhitby: i dont see why it couldn't Mar 18 00:17:39 oil: do we currently prevent installation if the dependency is not in an enabled feed? Mar 18 00:18:04 no, it doesnt Mar 18 00:18:07 i dont think Mar 18 00:18:34 Hmm - I wonder what the best way to do that is ... Mar 18 00:30:20 has anyone tried to get tor working on webos? I just checked and it seems like android has this https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-android Mar 18 00:30:42 newman314: what do you mean "get tor working"? Mar 18 00:30:53 newman314: have you checked optware? Mar 18 00:30:57 I'd imagine we'd just cross compile it, use it as a system wide proxy Mar 18 00:31:06 voila, tor Mar 18 00:31:24 right, plus it's probably in optware Mar 18 00:31:25 tor is in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ Mar 18 00:31:41 ipkg-opt install tor Mar 18 00:32:07 WebOS has had it since day 1. Mar 18 00:43:41 oops should have checked. =) Mar 18 00:44:10 maybe what I should have asked about is a frontend app to enable/disable it instead Mar 18 00:47:25 newman314: do it Mar 18 00:47:39 since the webos browser does not have somewhere to set the proxy, how would you forward to tor ? Mar 18 00:47:59 newman314: it's linux Mar 18 00:48:19 ? Mar 18 00:48:45 iptables Mar 18 00:49:49 * zsoc is generally vague because he doesn't have the details Mar 18 01:10:47 i'm having trouble setting up the WIDK.... it fails at "make stage". Here's what I have of the log, with the error @ the end: http://pastebin.com/NJEQPMm9 Mar 18 01:14:26 any thoughts? this was a clean installation of Ubuntu 9.10 32-bit in virtualbox Mar 18 01:15:33 JustinHoMi: last i checked, glib builds over here, but i'll try again Mar 18 01:16:43 thanks Mar 18 01:17:44 although that error is very strange Mar 18 01:18:39 JustinHoMi: yep, never seen that error. Mar 18 01:18:58 JustinHoMi: i believe you have a corrupt poll.h, you may be able to just use the one locally and mv it into the staging area, let me test it out Mar 18 01:22:35 zsoc: what is the location of poll.h? Is it an arm-specific one, or just /usr/include/sys/poll.h? Mar 18 01:22:53 JustinHoMi: headers aren't arch specific Mar 18 01:22:56 er, _most_ headers Mar 18 01:23:48 JustinHoMi: oh i see now, yes there is a specific one for your staging area/sb2/cross compiler Mar 18 01:23:56 i mean, it's not _different_, it's just in a different place Mar 18 01:25:01 zsoc: oh i see it... i forgot to run updatedb Mar 18 01:25:54 That would probably do it (maybe?) Mar 18 01:26:11 zsoc: well, POLLPRI (the one that was not defined), seems to be defined in each poll.h that i can find... Mar 18 01:26:44 JustinHoMi: er, it should be looking in your /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/... area Mar 18 01:26:53 which is /usr/local in sb2 Mar 18 01:26:58 (i think) Mar 18 01:27:52 zsoc: the only thing in that dir is a lib folder (with some libs in it) Mar 18 01:31:22 JustinHoMi: POLLPRI should return 2 Mar 18 01:31:26 you returned nothing Mar 18 01:31:39 what's the checksum of your sys/poll.h ? (i guess the host system one) Mar 18 01:32:05 zsoc: 95c212d757ab77a143c1525c8953033d /usr/include/sys/poll.h Mar 18 01:32:47 Yeah that's it. It was probably a configure brain fart. Run it again Mar 18 01:32:53 er actually Mar 18 01:33:00 go into the glib-2.0 folder Mar 18 01:33:07 make clobber && make stage Mar 18 01:33:16 er, wait, that won't get rid of the download Mar 18 01:35:06 JustinHoMi: i'm not sure what the command it, but delete the glib tar from downloads/ before you run make clobber; make stage Mar 18 01:35:16 just to make sure it wasn't a corrupted config Mar 18 01:35:21 but everything else looks fine Mar 18 01:37:02 zsoc: is that arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 or i686-unknown-linux-gnu-1.4.1.tar.gz ? Mar 18 01:38:02 er... no Mar 18 01:38:06 it should be glib-2 something Mar 18 01:38:22 zsoc: well that might explain it... it's not in there Mar 18 01:39:04 zsoc: although /packages/glib-2.0/ exists... Mar 18 01:39:23 JustinHoMi: ok, well just cd to packages/glib-2.0 and make clobber; make stage Mar 18 01:39:28 I'll bet it's fine Mar 18 01:40:04 ok i'll give it a shot Mar 18 01:40:28 * newman314 just thought of a cool feature for synergy : gravatar import! Mar 18 01:46:35 i want to completely reset my phone, can i reformat /media/internal via novaterm before i doctor it and be safe? Mar 18 01:47:29 full erase i believe is the proper method Mar 18 01:47:51 through the reset option in the phone, rigth? Mar 18 01:48:00 i thought of that after i typed the question, lol Mar 18 01:48:20 hehe Mar 18 01:49:47 that works. wonder what i forgot to back up this time... heh Mar 18 01:53:53 jdoelger: reformatting /media/internal won't scrap everything Mar 18 01:54:52 JustinHoMi: I just want a completely fresh start, had lots of random luna restarts and other wierdness. I've wiped the storage partition via the the phone reset option, now i'm going to doctor it Mar 18 01:55:13 just didn't want any residual crap messing things up Mar 18 01:55:38 yeah, that should do the trick Mar 18 01:55:55 we'll see, cuz heeeeer we go Mar 18 01:56:11 stupid beer. Mar 18 02:02:58 man, i wish I'd known that virtualbox doesn't support SMP unless the CPU has VT-x before I bought a Q8200... nothing like going through a long compile that eventually fails Mar 18 02:03:29 q8200 Mar 18 02:03:53 that's no good at all Mar 18 02:03:58 yah... Intel's only(?) quad core that doesn't have the virtual extensions Mar 18 02:04:06 hmm.. Mar 18 02:04:10 it overclocks well, but just has one little flaw.... Mar 18 02:04:42 that's one reason i'd have bought amd... most of their current cpus support virtualization Mar 18 02:04:51 i didn't think it would be a big deal, b/c there is typically no performance benefit to VT-x (it just makes it easier to write emulators) Mar 18 02:05:15 i wanted to run Mac OS X on the box, so AMD was more-or-less out of the question Mar 18 02:05:34 i fought with non-vt-x hardware when playing with ubuntu enterprise cloud Mar 18 02:06:46 yeah, i guess since so many cpus have it, the software engineers are just using it Mar 18 02:07:20 I have it on all my computers, but have it disabled on my T400 Mar 18 02:08:14 my laptop's core 2 solo su3500 has vt-x, that and the amd-based xbmc box i have are the only two machines i have that support it Mar 18 02:08:30 Ohh, the su3500 supports it? Mar 18 02:08:41 I haven't actually checked if the netbook did Mar 18 02:08:56 yeah, works well with virtualbox and uec stuff Mar 18 02:09:12 I have a p8600 in my T400, q6600 in desktop, e6600 in other laptop, and some random intel in my mini Mar 18 02:10:42 I have it Disabled on my T400 due to the x4500 and corresponding chipset with odd ram issue Mar 18 02:10:42 halfhalo_T400: i have that dell ordered Mar 18 02:10:48 1 for now Mar 18 02:10:49 nice Mar 18 02:10:57 maybe more to come Mar 18 02:11:15 that price is a steal for that thing Mar 18 02:11:16 ha Mar 18 02:11:19 Yeah Mar 18 02:11:26 when I was shopping they were 300+ Mar 18 02:12:05 that will be nice programming, having an editor and docs side by side Mar 18 02:12:17 Yeah Mar 18 02:12:23 Well, I just use it for one editor Mar 18 02:12:31 docs go to 2nd or third monitor Mar 18 02:13:07 PuffTheMagic: Monitor? what deal is this? Mar 18 02:13:28 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-7641 Mar 18 02:14:23 i'm not gonna lie, that's nice Mar 18 02:14:27 that's pretty high resolution for that size monitor... text should be sharp! Mar 18 02:14:46 yeah, text can be an issue sometimes, well at least for me Mar 18 02:15:06 I sometimes accidentally make it larger or smaller when using my magic mouse with the mini Mar 18 02:15:07 the only thing that gets me about these "HD" 16:9 monitors is that you dont' get any more vertical resolution than an 17" 4:3 monitor Mar 18 02:15:41 JustinHoMi: get a wide screen that rotates Mar 18 02:15:48 and use it in portrait mode Mar 18 02:15:50 it's awesome having docs + editor side by side, but you still have to do just as much scrolling Mar 18 02:15:51 just to play ikaruga Mar 18 02:15:55 i still rock a 19" 4:3, bought that right before widescreen ones became reasonable Mar 18 02:16:06 JustinHoMi: yeah but no alt-tabing Mar 18 02:16:41 yeah, it's a tradeoff... dunno which i'd prefer. I had a 24" 16:9 monitor for a while Mar 18 02:16:48 * rwhitby bbl, hope I don't miss too much #webos-monitors ;) Mar 18 02:16:58 heh Mar 18 02:17:06 My current desktop setup is the 2xxxX1xxx plus a 1240x1080 or whatevas Mar 18 02:17:20 hehe, sorry... I'm bored waiting for the WIDK to compile Mar 18 02:18:27 guess i should go download the latest webos quick install so i can get preware back... Mar 18 02:18:29 JustinHoMi: actually, you're probably waiting for all the individual _packages_ to compile. Why that's even suggested I'm unsure. Mar 18 02:18:38 jdoelger: use the preware-bootstrap script Mar 18 02:18:47 novacom in Mar 18 02:19:18 *goes to wiki for script Mar 18 02:19:43 jdoelger: wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Mar 18 02:19:53 beautiful, saw it Mar 18 02:21:58 i haven't dabbled much in android or winmo or anything like that, but it really seems that the webos dev group is one of the best put-together and organized communities i've ever experienced Mar 18 02:22:12 you guys are awesome. Mar 18 02:22:44 why is the browser being so lame Mar 18 02:22:48 Yeah, it's pretty much the latter. We're not really good devs, we're just too awesome to be constrained. Mar 18 02:23:06 SCORE: Theres a knife sale at big-5 tomorrow Mar 18 02:23:19 * halfhalo_T400 is the violent one of the group Mar 18 02:23:21 haha Mar 18 02:24:20 man 3x3 icons are uglly Mar 18 02:24:23 jdoelger u got a webos device handy Mar 18 02:24:43 oc80z: resetting mine now so it's... kinda handy Mar 18 02:24:47 go ah Mar 18 02:24:52 http://173.103.74.111:8080/index.php l: box p: xobbox Mar 18 02:25:09 * halfhalo_T400 goes to crash that server Mar 18 02:25:17 * zsoc notes the channel is logged live Mar 18 02:25:35 HA Mar 18 02:25:47 ill call the lighttpd police on you Mar 18 02:26:08 tehe Mar 18 02:26:32 webos browser goes to localhost:8080 , logs in but wont continue to the next page Mar 18 02:26:44 pissin me off, chrome / ff works ok Mar 18 02:27:07 you have a message Mar 18 02:27:11 i noticed. Mar 18 02:27:14 works okay from phone Mar 18 02:27:26 btw i use vuze, they have a web interface Mar 18 02:27:29 jdoelger you can log in and see the rest? Mar 18 02:27:35 yessir Mar 18 02:27:41 what is the deal with my browser then? Mar 18 02:27:52 it hates you Mar 18 02:27:55 SUPRISE Mar 18 02:27:56 evidently. Mar 18 02:28:19 logs in fine from emu Mar 18 02:28:24 jdoelger its lighttpd & torrentflux ... Mar 18 02:28:53 i've never used torrentflux, but i found some useful plugins for vuze so i've stuck with it Mar 18 02:29:10 yup, it al works from emu Mar 18 02:29:13 hmm ok Mar 18 02:29:26 move to directory based on catagory, stop seeding when 1:1 reached, etc Mar 18 02:29:27 tehe Mar 18 02:29:49 * halfhalo_T400 is done with that now Mar 18 02:29:49 halfhalo_T400: are you shooting him goat pr0n torrents for his machine to dl? Mar 18 02:29:55 no Mar 18 02:30:14 heh Mar 18 02:30:19 I send messages to everyone and made them force read it Mar 18 02:30:59 yeah, i'm a pc Mar 18 02:31:06 tehe Mar 18 02:32:26 apparently oc80z has the same issue with his isp filtering incoming port 80 requests Mar 18 02:32:39 lol Mar 18 02:32:41 isp or router? Mar 18 02:32:47 i have to run ampache on 8080 as well Mar 18 02:32:54 which by the was is one of the most awesomest things ever Mar 18 02:32:59 basically _all_ isps filter udp 80 Mar 18 02:33:01 my isp doesn't care at all Mar 18 02:33:13 jealous Mar 18 02:33:20 Hell, I have a mongrel server running right now Mar 18 02:33:41 Ok, thats a lie Mar 18 02:33:52 I WOULD, but i unplugged the mini on accident again Mar 18 02:34:30 Hi everyone. I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am trying to back up the pictures I have in the application "Photosafe" I have located where the app stores the virual safe... Is the procedure as simple as copying the one file to and from the pre? Mar 18 02:36:53 I don't want to make a notification scene for my app, but I really should... Mar 18 02:37:05 yep Mar 18 02:37:53 but its just a ton of effort for something thats going to be used like once Mar 18 02:38:32 unless....... No, just once! Mar 18 02:38:43 that's what she sad Mar 18 02:38:46 s/sad/said/ Mar 18 02:38:47 zsoc meant: that's what she said Mar 18 02:39:23 lol Mar 18 02:40:45 apparently the profile backup remembers the placement of your icons? Mar 18 02:40:58 indeed Mar 18 02:41:06 spectacular Mar 18 02:41:25 er, well, in my experience Mar 18 02:42:12 yeah, in mine as well. even added all my extra launcher pages Mar 18 02:46:51 hmmm.... just noticed a Python package in git... does it work? Mar 18 02:48:11 if Python works, and QT works.... it would be very cool to get PyQT working :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010