**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010 Mar 18 03:05:48 Hmm. I wonder if I can nest the old virtualbox in a current release virtualbox for the simulator :P Mar 18 03:06:20 #vbox Mar 18 03:11:15 Opinions on replacing "Fixing Unknown Packages" with "Loading Installed Packages" in Preware? Mar 18 03:11:33 or "Scanning Unknown Packages" ? Mar 18 03:14:07 yeah, fixing is a little bit confusing... as if something's broken. Mar 18 03:14:43 I like "Scanning Unknown Packages" better than "Loading Installed Packages" Mar 18 03:14:47 yeah i do too Mar 18 03:17:10 rwhitby: I agree, the word 'Fixing' should be removed, but 'Installed Packages' is too vague Mar 18 03:17:18 does anyone by any chance know where the webos browser stores it's bookmarks and history? I seem to have managed to corrupt that db and no longer see any of my bookmarks/history. =( Mar 18 03:17:28 maybe 'Loading Non-Preware Packages', or 'Scanning Unknown Packages' Mar 18 03:17:46 they are not necessarily non-preware packages Mar 18 03:18:01 if you load some webos-internals packages from the feed, then disable the feed, they are then unknown. Mar 18 03:18:06 Right, I see. Mar 18 03:18:29 Fixing Packages Not Recognized By Current Inflated Feed Lists Mar 18 03:18:30 :D Mar 18 03:20:43 I really don't want to have to doctor the phone just to get bookmarks/history working again. ugh Mar 18 03:21:19 jhojho_: try in /var/palm/data I think Mar 18 03:26:39 rwhitby: okay. lemme take a look Mar 18 03:28:38 jhojho_: yeah, in the numbered file db in the browser subdir of that directory Mar 18 03:31:27 rwhitby: that's odd. I dont have a /var/palm/data/browser Mar 18 03:31:32 it's missing Mar 18 03:32:26 I'm getting an invalid gzip magic error when loading preware. could anyone translate that? :p Mar 18 03:32:45 Knowyou: try updating your feeds? Mar 18 03:33:17 jhojho_: that's a good reason why you have no bookmarks. i'm not sure what the _proper_ suggestion will be from rod but I would try to sign out/sign in to my profile, since that resyncs them i think Mar 18 03:35:17 later Mar 18 03:35:46 oh, I forgot I had added a feed in there while I was messing around before. Mar 18 03:36:06 everything is working as it should now. thanks, zsoc Mar 18 03:37:39 jhojho_: the subdir is not 'browser', it's a long name with 'browser' in it Mar 18 03:39:13 anyone test installing/removing patches from webos-patches testing feed and/or change user agent binary patch in internals testing feed? Mar 18 03:39:43 rwhitby: ah I see file_.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.app.browser_0 now Mar 18 03:41:02 Error: disk I/O error Mar 18 03:41:04 ooo Mar 18 03:41:06 not good Mar 18 03:41:08 * rwhitby bbl Mar 18 03:46:17 JustinHoMi: the python in git is actually mostly for cross-compiling purposes. it's not a package, and never tested it on the device. that said, it _should_ work.. and furthermore there's already python support in optware (ipkg-opt) Mar 18 03:48:29 as for pyqt, i don't know anything about that :) Mar 18 03:49:41 ah, good to know. I may have to tinker around w/ PyQT sometime.... I would cry if that worked. Mar 18 04:00:19 crossing fingers Mar 18 04:00:26 lets see if this fixes things Mar 18 04:02:02 woohoo! Mar 18 04:02:19 bookmarks back and so is history Mar 18 04:02:35 side benefit the browser.db is MUCH smaller Mar 18 04:06:04 yeouch. it looks like the pre could use some vacuuming on the databases. Mar 18 04:06:30 vacuum Cookies.db shrunk the db from 3.1mb to 10k Mar 18 04:10:18 who wrote freetether again? Mar 18 04:11:40 time to comment out all my Mojo.log's Mar 18 04:22:06 bah I wanna package up some of this X stuff, but the only way to package things from cross-compile seems to check binaries into version control :( Mar 18 04:22:16 guess that's not completely terrible... Mar 18 04:22:24 just feel bad for the server haha Mar 18 05:27:13 dtzWill: ka6sox-work is creating the ub9.10 instance for the autobuilder replacement this weekend. then we will integrate build.git and cross-compile.git Mar 18 05:45:49 so vacuuming the browser-cookies.db results in a much faster browser. Mar 18 05:45:59 the browser is flying now... Mar 18 05:49:28 FYI: preware/build.git 'unreleased' directory has now been renamed to 'testing' to reflect that it is now automatically released to the testing feed. Mar 18 05:49:44 rwhitby: oh excellent. so maybe I should put off throwing binaries into git and making packages Mar 18 05:50:05 dtzWill: I wouldn't put off anything Mar 18 05:50:11 rwhitby: oh haha xD Mar 18 05:50:53 i suppose if they become redundant we can always just flat out delete the repos :) Mar 18 05:51:30 I like this delete repos idea Mar 18 05:51:39 Sounds like the way to go Mar 18 05:52:19 well i feel a little sad about it :( Mar 18 05:52:23 i hate deleting work Mar 18 05:52:33 but if it's completely available elsewhere then I suppose Mar 18 05:52:40 just don't delete them until they're replaced :( Mar 18 05:52:41 hehew Mar 18 05:52:54 s/hehew/hehe/ Mar 18 05:52:55 dtzWill meant: hehe Mar 18 05:53:13 meh. rm-rf *.* works for me Mar 18 05:53:48 halfhalo_T400__: lol, idk what you're trying to say. Mar 18 05:53:59 halfhalo_T400__: regardless I guess i'll keep on with packaging things then :) Mar 18 05:54:00 neither do Mar 18 05:54:02 I Mar 18 05:54:09 errr that second one shouldn't have been to you really Mar 18 05:54:24 I'm just that popular! Mar 18 06:04:33 ... Mar 18 06:04:43 I cannot talk in #webos Mar 18 06:05:00 but rwhitby: I would use substr Mar 18 06:06:26 Ok, I think dkirker1 is having the same issue Mar 18 06:07:24 wait, the substr is (start, numchars) Mar 18 06:07:39 dkirker1: you having issues there? Mar 18 06:07:48 halfhalo: yes and no Mar 18 06:07:55 cant talk in webos? Mar 18 06:07:56 Freenode is having issues Mar 18 06:08:16 halfhalo: #webOS isn't working? Mar 18 06:08:24 so if the string is 'abcdef' and I say substr(-7), what will happen? Mar 18 06:08:28 I can't type in it Mar 18 06:08:45 nothing will happen, since you need a start and stop Mar 18 06:08:45 oh, I think I know what is wrong Mar 18 06:09:16 I mean start and num of chars Mar 18 06:09:26 second argument is optional Mar 18 06:09:30 Wait, I lied Mar 18 06:09:30 halfhalo: I won't be able to do anything about it. ChanServ is offline. :( Mar 18 06:09:50 yeah, but you need to have the start index above 0 Mar 18 06:11:04 It generally depends on the situation whether to use substring or substr, although in a pinch they are interchangeable with a little tweaking Mar 18 06:12:19 Ok, I just saw a video of a car doing a frontflip on a flat surface. THAT was cool Mar 18 06:13:46 rwhitby: This site has decent explinations between the two: http://www.bloggingdeveloper.com/post/substring-vs-substr-The-Difference-Between-JavaScript-String-Functions.aspx Mar 18 06:13:52 And I just cant spell.... Mar 18 06:16:57 bog-standard javascript is... bland to me now Mar 18 06:17:47 this is odd. why is the pre youtube add storing history when it's not available in the app itself? Mar 18 06:17:56 s/add/app/ Mar 18 06:17:56 jhojho meant: this is odd. why is the pre youtube app storing history when it's not available in the app itself? Mar 18 06:18:07 future planning? Mar 18 06:18:27 or distributed data mining =) Mar 18 06:18:38 No, thats what I do Mar 18 06:19:02 it irritates me that I can't interface with my account at all. history, favorites, comments etc Mar 18 06:19:15 CREATE TABLE History(id varchar UNIQUE, title varchar, author varchar, rating varchar, views varchar, duration varchar, desc varchar, thumbnail varchar, thumbnailBig varchar, link varchar, shareLink varchar, relatedUrl varchar); Mar 18 06:19:22 Meh. I think I haved used the app 3 times at most Mar 18 06:19:28 also irritating that you can't just add an account into amazon mp3s, for instance to access my other albums. looks like i have to buy something to add it. Mar 18 06:19:34 to watch charlie the unicorn Mar 18 06:19:37 personally I rather be able to access my bookmarks in the yelp app Mar 18 06:19:45 halfhalo: come to candy mountain chaaaarrllieee! Mar 18 06:19:46 dont really care as much about the youtube app Mar 18 06:19:55 I want flash Mar 18 06:20:04 flash + divx web player = awesome Mar 18 06:20:43 nah. I just want to be able to play .avi/.wmv without having to convert to mp4 first Mar 18 06:21:02 I want xvid as a codec Mar 18 06:21:13 hell if my car can play it, my pre should play it Mar 18 06:21:30 get on it. i think egaudet was working on codecs Mar 18 06:21:39 bah Mar 18 06:21:40 * draeath wants to get mplayer as a video backend Mar 18 06:21:43 not my think Mar 18 06:21:55 er, and audio backend. why not? it does it all :P Mar 18 06:22:02 mojo apps? thats me, not fancy shmancy backend stuff Mar 18 06:22:39 okay then. make an mojo app that enables/disables tor Mar 18 06:22:42 I can almost program. But Javascript gives me hives. Mar 18 06:22:43 I had mplayer running within X, but some work needs to be done to make it more performant :) Mar 18 06:23:06 or turn brightness unlinked into an actual pref instead of an app. Mar 18 06:23:20 Considering my Day job is a web dev, js is not a big issue for me Mar 18 06:23:58 making brightness unlinked into a pref would be huge for me.. =) Mar 18 06:24:06 hell, I'm putting my own app out in the app catalog first Mar 18 06:24:13 drat Mar 18 06:24:23 36 hours till I do Mar 18 06:24:58 is brightness unlinked open source? Mar 18 06:25:23 zinge said to go ahead and take the code Mar 18 06:25:30 he was fine with it Mar 18 06:25:34 which would be where.... Mar 18 06:25:48 you probably have to download the app Mar 18 06:26:00 and look at the source or I guess I could zip it up and email to you Mar 18 06:26:06 but...but...but.... my pre is stock! Mar 18 06:26:08 grr since I put 1.4 on luna is all crash-happy Mar 18 06:26:15 email would work best Mar 18 06:26:46 patrick at silentbluesystems dot com Mar 18 06:27:05 I mean, I'll slide it open and the lock screen will half-load (ie, background and time shows, but lock slider doesn't)... hangs for a short while, and then my glowy Palm logo of sadness :( Mar 18 06:27:25 yeah, when I just doctored it luna started crashing Mar 18 06:27:34 okay. will send it in a bit Mar 18 06:27:47 kk Mar 18 06:28:00 im going to bed soon since I may/may not have to get up early tomorrow Mar 18 06:29:18 hopefully tomorrow freenode wont hate me Mar 18 07:32:32 gak Mar 18 07:51:35 wirc test-i think it's working on my pre ;-) Mar 18 08:32:23 I just installed preware but I notice that it is only loading certain feeds I do not have the theme feed and several others how can I fix this Mar 18 10:52:13 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2313950 Mar 18 11:44:55 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnash-dev/2010-03/msg00085.html Mar 18 11:45:02 folks know about that ? Mar 18 11:45:16 gnash build attempt on android Mar 18 11:45:37 GPL Flash implementation Mar 18 12:59:29 Hello Mar 18 13:00:17 So has anyone figured out how to get on the US app store with a European Pre? Mar 18 13:10:16 I guess not Mar 18 13:27:34 any ubuntu or linux users know the trick to get the pre to cleanly umount as a USB drive? Mar 18 13:29:54 is unmount /media/pre not clean enought? Mar 18 13:30:33 the pre still is in "usb drive" mode Mar 18 13:30:43 it wont return to luna Mar 18 13:31:08 unplug the cable Mar 18 13:31:36 when i do that it doesnt seem to like it Mar 18 13:32:00 when i am on windows and eject the drive it returns to luna Mar 18 13:33:46 you should be able to just eject it from nautilus file manager Mar 18 13:34:13 eject isnt an option in naut for this drive, only unmount Mar 18 13:34:21 same thing Mar 18 13:34:46 click the arrow and it should unmount and pre return Mar 18 13:35:47 screw it. i'll just unplug the darn thing Mar 18 13:36:02 which makes it reset Mar 18 13:37:00 bbl Mar 18 14:14:18 Bmyers, how old is your nautilus? Mar 18 14:33:18 RagingMind: 2.24.1 Mar 18 14:40:31 AH, alright. the newer versions of gnome/nautilus have more commands than just unmount that will actually disconnect the USB of a flash drive like ejecting on windows does Mar 18 14:41:15 ah, Mar 18 14:41:27 i'll update that and see how it goes Mar 18 14:41:32 thanks RagingMind: Mar 18 14:41:53 it probably needs a newer kernel as well, I really don't know though Mar 18 14:44:40 RagingMind: you might be right there. apt-get says i have the latest Mar 18 14:44:50 but I am still on ubu 8 Mar 18 14:44:52 not 9 Mar 18 14:45:58 I always wondered if there was a way to fully eject something from the command line, but I never found out Mar 18 14:46:33 there is an eject cmd Mar 18 14:46:40 but that didnt work for me either Mar 18 14:48:41 eject ejects your cdrom not usb Mar 18 14:49:34 you can specify a device. cdrom is the default Mar 18 15:00:45 can't find luna manager under preware. How do I download it? Mar 18 15:31:10 I had to do a partial erase on my Pre, and I have lost my ability to ssh in via putty (connection refused). Know what was lost so I can regain access? I see Terminal still kills luna dead. Can it be taken out of the feed? Mar 18 15:32:00 That was supposed to be a question, does anyone know what was lost? Mar 18 15:44:18 zzzz...everyone must be recovering from the green beer Mar 18 15:46:38 Ron: I'd assume that it whacked your /etc/passwd file or the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file Mar 18 15:46:49 Ron001: that is only an assumption (or series of assumptions) Mar 18 15:47:03 wait -- "connection refused" means nothing was listening on that port Mar 18 15:47:43 Ron001: ... so either your firewall config reverted back to a state where port 22 is not allowed through -- or you no longer have an ssh daemon running Mar 18 15:48:34 nt4cats: I'd bet the latter. I'm having problems with preware now too Mar 18 15:49:10 nt4cats: im going to uninstall and reinstall it and ill be back Mar 18 15:49:24 preware-bootstrap.sh is your friend IMHO Mar 18 15:49:42 yes Mar 18 15:49:46 terminal is not ;) Mar 18 15:55:41 hi all Mar 18 15:57:58 having a strange preware issue Mar 18 15:58:26 I had just doctored, and reinstalled preware from the installer Mar 18 15:58:32 I see preware and the package manager Mar 18 15:58:43 but when I fire up preware it tells me it can't find the package manager. Mar 18 16:05:06 hmmm Mar 18 16:05:18 I could have SWORN that BU had two parts to it.... Mar 18 16:09:53 srsly, uncompressing webos doctor is eating up my hd space Mar 18 16:14:50 Does anyone know how I can access the microphone in webos? Mar 18 16:17:28 nope, sorry Mar 18 16:24:29 I'm wondering if anyone can either point me to the code to directly access the microphone or at least point me toward code that might get me there eventually Mar 18 16:25:41 there currently isn't any Mar 18 16:26:06 * halfhalo_T400 is about to patch his phone..... This can only end badly Mar 18 16:29:01 to meklein - well, there HAS to be code to access the microphone or else Palm's code couldn't do it. That's my question: where is Palm's code that accesses the microphone? I'm doing this as homebrew so I don't need an official API and it can be in C/C++ Mar 18 16:33:45 donrhummy: arecord ? Mar 18 16:35:01 i think i tried arecord once in novaterm, got character stream to stdout, which reacted on tapping onto the microphone Mar 18 16:38:11 I should really have made this patch using osx or linux instead of windows... Mar 18 16:42:56 dthought - did it react to speaking at all? Mar 18 16:43:23 donrhummy: i only tried tappping... Mar 18 16:43:49 did not try to redirect it to a file, and playing it through aplay afterwards Mar 18 16:44:19 Hey guys am tryign to build a messaging app which uses a provider and sends the text via an API I would love to have the messages which can be seen in the messaging app in my app aswell I found MessagingMojoService.getConversationList in the refcode but don't know if that is the right thing Mar 18 16:45:39 dthought - thanks, I'll give it a try and see what I get. Mar 18 16:46:19 i hope you're developing a VoIP solution? Mar 18 16:47:25 no, voice command and search for the phone Mar 18 16:49:26 donrhummy: interesting, too... Mar 18 16:53:48 do you know where I can get this subversion file? It keeps saying unknown host: svn://subversion.palm.com/main/nova/palm/luna/apps/crotest/submissions;module=17;proto=http Mar 18 16:55:00 work at palm? heh, it's not public code Mar 18 16:57:22 any idea if it's here? http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.0/index.html Mar 18 16:58:30 the code? no, they don't really release any webos specific code unless it's something they modified that is tied to an OSS license already Mar 18 16:58:31 if what is there? Mar 18 16:58:34 o Mar 18 16:58:46 he's looking for the source to crotest Mar 18 16:59:27 rather, looking for a way to access the microphone directly Mar 18 17:00:57 exactly. I'll take either one: crotest source (probably ideal) or else any code for directly accessing the microphone Mar 18 17:01:15 other than maybe directly accessing the device using some form of alsa lib, there really isn't a way curently. I'm not even sure that's an option either, haven't done much on the sound device side of things... I don't think anyone here has done it yet anyway Mar 18 17:02:24 there's plentlu of ways to access the microphone Mar 18 17:02:35 do tell. :) Mar 18 17:02:56 arecord, gstreamer, ffmpeg, or pactl Mar 18 17:03:00 hrm, I'm out of the loop Mar 18 17:03:06 mdklein - arecord isn't ideal as it'd put it into a file Mar 18 17:03:17 I'd really prefer to be able to access the stream Mar 18 17:03:43 are all of those already on all webos devices? Mar 18 17:04:35 arecord was mentioned earlier, and the alsa patches are on the opensource site, I suppose if they had to do anything weird to get it to work the code would be there... Mar 18 17:06:27 ghost_of_zsoc how would I use any of those programs to access the mic? I can't find any info on doing it with gstreamer for example. Mar 18 17:07:14 whoops Mar 18 17:07:31 donrhummy: read the gstreamer application developer manual? Mar 18 17:07:36 what's it for anyway? Mar 18 17:09:14 voice command and search Mar 18 17:11:10 you have voice recognition libs? Mar 18 17:12:35 yes Mar 18 17:12:50 I just need a good way to get audio from the microphone Mar 18 17:13:13 is this an OSS project? Mar 18 17:16:47 yep, it'll be all open source and on homebrew Mar 18 17:18:32 nt4cats: SSH was not reinstalled, thanks. And "there is a patch for that" Emergency Reconstruction Utility. Thanks folks! Mar 18 17:18:53 gstreamer should work. the exact mechanism involved I'm unsure of, but the pulsesrc element with the right device .monitor should do something Mar 18 17:20:57 Thanks. The problem is I've looked online at gstreamer's website and on google and cannot find any code anywhere for how to record audio with gstreamer! I looked in their documentation under everything (including all plugins) and found nothing. Could you point me toward something? Mar 18 17:22:57 gstreamer builds media pipelines. you're going from a source that contains mic input like alsasrc, and using somethink like filesink to save it somewhere Mar 18 17:23:20 I'm not sure I can be more clear than that. gst documentation is pretty good Mar 18 17:24:29 ok. Ideally though, I don't want to save it somewhere, so I'm assuming I can get the byte stream directly and process that and stop recording when I detect silence, correct? Mar 18 17:27:06 very likely Mar 18 17:27:08 is anyone else unable to open terminus and internals at the same time? Mar 18 17:34:19 zsoc, just a question: any reason you recommend gstreamer versus one of the other options? (BTW, thanks for all your help :) ) Mar 18 17:35:07 it's the only option you can code directly into a C application and have reasonable control Mar 18 17:35:09 imo Mar 18 17:41:19 donrhummy: palm will eventually release an api through pulse, I'm sure Mar 18 17:41:22 HI Mar 18 17:41:39 and it'll probably use a function added to mediaserver, which is a gstreamer application Mar 18 17:41:48 kristinagomez: HELLO Mar 18 17:42:03 WAS GOIN ON MAH Mar 18 17:42:03 Most of the apis are in the roadmap to become public, it's just a matter of time in getting to fully test/enable them while other changes go on elsewhere Mar 18 17:43:48 chrisa: write, but what I was trying to point out is native gst hook is probably the best option, being that's how most every other media application functions in webos Mar 18 17:43:56 s/write/right Mar 18 17:44:03 zsoc - actually I spoke to Palm and they said that microphone access is not coming anytime soon. They said the first few PDKs won't have it and neither will the regular API. Mar 18 17:44:37 donrhummy: I didn't say it's coming soon. I said it's coming and that's probably how they'll do it. Mar 18 17:45:15 ah, i got ya. Well, in the meantime, i'll have to play around with it a bit and see what I come up with. Thanks! Mar 18 17:45:26 donrhummy: np Mar 18 18:05:01 Hello All Mar 18 18:06:09 heyo! Mar 18 18:07:06 Question for all you Webos Fans... Does the WebOS have a "zip" function or command in it? Mar 18 18:09:12 Major: my webos does Mar 18 18:10:05 Is your weobos like everyone elses? Mar 18 18:10:08 lol Mar 18 18:10:22 isnt zip pretty much built-in to linux? Mar 18 18:10:27 well, you have tar, at least Mar 18 18:11:02 apt-get install zip Mar 18 18:11:20 Mousey: its not debian based... Mar 18 18:11:42 And If i were to make a App I don't want people to have to install zip Mar 18 18:11:45 rpm -Uvh zip Mar 18 18:11:51 ipkg install zip! Mar 18 18:12:01 Mousey: lol, ipkg-opt install zip Mar 18 18:12:12 just make it a dep, then it'll install for them ^_^ Mar 18 18:12:16 no? Mar 18 18:13:20 Mousey that is a good question and was hoping someone here knew lol Mar 18 18:13:44 What I plan on doing needs to have zip Mar 18 18:13:55 or a compression program at least Mar 18 18:13:56 oh? Mar 18 18:13:59 i know zip and zlib are both available Mar 18 18:14:52 brb Mar 18 18:17:45 Major: use tar or gunzip. _please_ Mar 18 18:19:04 not just please, but _please_ Mar 18 18:19:36 what about _*please*_? Mar 18 18:19:46 heh, that failed Mar 18 18:20:42 so my pre hit the sun just right this morning, there is a bunch of tiny stress cracks under the center button Mar 18 18:20:54 on like, the inside Mar 18 18:20:59 awawwwwwwwww Mar 18 18:21:37 wonder if its covered by warranty Mar 18 18:21:49 or what ever that other thing is i pay like $7 a month for Mar 18 18:22:55 If it's an original sprint model they'll do warranty replacements for damn near anything you complain about Mar 18 18:23:06 Since the PD wasn't as solid on the initial batch Mar 18 18:23:44 i have one of the original sprint ones Mar 18 18:23:48 and it is heavily beat up Mar 18 18:23:49 but going strong Mar 18 18:23:55 oilsworkn: mine has those stress cracks too Mar 18 18:24:16 mine has stress cracks on both the bottom right and top right of the front panel Mar 18 18:24:24 from being dropped repeatedly on concrete Mar 18 18:24:25 haha Mar 18 18:24:53 so far for being a "less solid" phone compared to new ones Mar 18 18:25:06 it seems to be holding up to abuse better than my old HTC or iphone Mar 18 18:27:37 sweet thanks Zsoc Mar 18 18:28:10 bpadalino|work: and the cracks like, chipped some of the black part off Mar 18 18:28:14 and there is these like little silver spots Mar 18 18:28:23 lol Mar 18 18:28:30 whoops Mar 18 18:29:00 and my center button is white now Mar 18 18:29:10 all the paint on it chipped off Mar 18 18:29:18 from my messing with it with my fingernail Mar 18 18:29:41 weird, they're painted? Mar 18 18:29:56 or some type of coating Mar 18 18:30:06 that makes it darker Mar 18 18:30:32 its a lot brighter now when it lights up Mar 18 18:30:38 but its harder to see in sunlight Mar 18 18:40:19 i like to party\n Mar 18 18:40:36 zsoc: that's good to know Mar 18 18:40:50 woooooo\n Mar 18 18:40:58 ? Mar 18 18:41:15 * nt4cats adds zsoc to the likes to party list in his notebook Mar 18 18:42:30 my bubbles are growing\n Mar 18 18:43:38 and each line ends with\n Mar 18 18:43:56 oilsworkn: all the cool kids do it that way\n Mar 18 18:44:56 nt4cats: that wasn't in the handbook! Mar 18 18:46:13 what is in solder produced smoke that could cause stupor?\n Mar 18 18:46:28 zsoc: lead Mar 18 18:46:37 zsoc: and heroin Mar 18 18:46:49 there's no lead in smoke Mar 18 18:46:53 you can't inhale lead Mar 18 18:47:01 zsoc: sure there is. Mar 18 18:47:08 no there is not Mar 18 18:47:23 zsoc: it is easy to prove Mar 18 18:47:37 zsoc: look at the ingredient list for solder. It has lead in it. Mar 18 18:47:50 zsoc: when you heat it the ingredients turn into smoke Mar 18 18:47:54 good solder is 60 percent lead Mar 18 18:47:56 zsoc: ergo, you're breathing in lead Mar 18 18:48:03 * nt4cats is a master logician Mar 18 18:48:16 (mostly because I say "ergo") Mar 18 18:48:50 nt4cats: tell me you're trolling me Mar 18 18:49:01 solder fumes have no toxics amount of lead in them Mar 18 18:49:18 it's something about rosin, but I was curious if someone knew what Mar 18 18:49:51 zsoc: you caught me, and I thought I was being clever. Mar 18 18:49:52 its definately the rosin Mar 18 18:50:25 what about rosin fumes is harmful tho. TELL ME INTERNET Mar 18 18:50:34 zsoc: ... I thought the "and heroin" was a good hint to that effect ... Mar 18 18:51:24 nt4cats: C C C CLEARLY I LIKE TO PARTY Mar 18 18:51:46 IS it harmful? Mar 18 18:52:03 i always solder in confined spaces with no ventilation Mar 18 18:52:15 ME TOO Mar 18 18:52:26 and then this happens Mar 18 18:52:37 what happens? Mar 18 18:52:38 wooo Mar 18 18:52:42 this Mar 18 18:52:47 crazyness? Mar 18 18:53:10 general stupor. I mean. I'm using the VK. that's just nutszo. Mar 18 18:58:26 aaaaaand now its time for lunch Mar 18 18:58:30 bbl Mar 18 19:00:55 hmmmm Mar 18 19:01:03 lets see if this patch works Mar 18 19:02:02 OR lets see if I screwed up my phone completely Mar 18 19:04:27 and the answer is..... nothing Mar 18 19:04:38 halfhalo_T400: if you fail to screw up your phone completely, send it to me, I'll do it. Mar 18 19:04:49 ha Mar 18 19:05:10 I'm trying to get the phone to set the KB brightness to 80 whenever the display brightness is modified Mar 18 19:13:17 ok, attempt 2.... Mar 18 19:27:01 MetaView: telekom germany customer? ;) Mar 18 19:33:02 can anyone help me with ipkg package failure issue Mar 18 19:33:23 hucksy: no, O2 Mar 18 19:33:27 Germany, yes Mar 18 19:33:28 how do I reinstall package manager? Mar 18 19:34:05 MetaView: ah k Mar 18 19:34:25 tanaks: with webosquickinstall Mar 18 19:35:13 well problem is I install preware and I get that error when i launch Mar 18 19:36:31 does anyone know? Mar 18 19:37:54 hucksy any ideas? Mar 18 19:38:19 how do I open this cheese Mar 18 19:38:31 I see plastic, but there's no slit to pull back Mar 18 19:38:40 maybe if I get a baloon... Mar 18 19:38:53 i dont know which error, but reinstall the pmanager with webosquickinstall Mar 18 19:39:05 hmmmmmmm Mar 18 19:39:10 This sorta works.... Mar 18 19:40:19 I can set the kb brightness, but then the service is overridding it right after Mar 18 19:40:30 hucksy tried that Mar 18 19:40:39 nunerous times Mar 18 19:41:11 preware too? Mar 18 19:41:13 tanaks: you are installing it incorrectly Mar 18 19:41:50 ghost: ive even tried linux bootstrap Mar 18 19:42:02 preware-bootstrap Mar 18 19:43:02 tanaks: try giving us an error Mar 18 19:43:19