**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:56 2010 Mar 21 03:12:16 oil: what are the different types of things that a mojo app can use to store data? Mar 21 03:13:17 just cookies Mar 21 03:13:22 and html5 database Mar 21 03:13:39 there used to be a different way to name the database that would put it on the media partition or whatever Mar 21 03:13:41 pre 135 Mar 21 03:13:48 idk if that is still around Mar 21 03:14:15 but eventually apps can do whatever Mar 21 03:14:24 with plugins Mar 21 03:15:50 i assume they will have free roam to save whatever wherever however Mar 21 03:17:32 There's a PDK function for getting relative filenames to save stuff Mar 21 03:17:53 oil: so the html5 database is listed in /var/palm/data/Databases.db ? Mar 21 03:18:29 i believe so Mar 21 03:18:35 (its been so long since i looked) Mar 21 03:18:41 what does the preware trac say? Mar 21 03:18:52 though i wrote that pre 135, too Mar 21 03:19:08 ok, next app I'm doing is DrPodder then Mar 21 03:21:24 i still gotta finish that zenity stuff, too Mar 21 03:21:32 if we're even still going to use it Mar 21 03:22:28 yeah, that's still useful Mar 21 03:24:27 ok, so now that I've found the DrPodder db in /media/internal/.app-storage, and can get the directory name and the db filename from Databases.db, I need to work out how to reserve the next number to restore it and hook it back in. Mar 21 03:49:38 ok, looks like each DB has a guid Mar 21 03:55:10 holycrap. Apparently if you specify Mojo.Log.info it will print out json natively. I did not know that... Mar 21 04:04:05 rwhitby: i'm not surprised about the aupt dry run; in this case it was not a preware patch Mar 21 04:04:56 cxreg: wosqi is the easiest way to put an aupt wrapper around a patch Mar 21 04:05:39 ok, got a DrPodder saverestore script done now. Next I need an app that doesn't use .app-storage Mar 21 04:05:43 hm, maybe i did something wrong. i did install it via wosqi Mar 21 04:05:59 but the postinstall left some things half-patched Mar 21 04:07:31 cxreg: that's not good - better check with Jason whether wosqi is properly doing a dry run first Mar 21 04:08:14 oil: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.drnull.drpodder-hb is the DrPodder saverestore script Mar 21 04:08:50 drnull: ping Mar 21 04:08:56 drnull_: ping Mar 21 04:12:32 dang. vfat can't handle colons in file names Mar 21 04:21:56 silly vfat, thinking its cool Mar 21 04:23:11 rwhitby: do a sed and use some retarded combo of chars that wouldn't exist like z-_v on the vfat portion Mar 21 04:23:20 now, which other of my apps do I want to survive the next profile reset or webOS doctor ... Mar 21 04:24:29 aha, netstat Mar 21 04:25:49 is the free version of MyTether still working in 1.4.0? Mar 21 04:32:10 hey i had a question about rooting the pre, are you the right guys? Mar 21 04:33:28 it doesn't require rooting Mar 21 04:35:22 well im trying to change the clock speed, and the guide says to have root permissons to run the shell script Mar 21 04:36:49 aside from the "you could permanently damage the phone" caveat, yes you need a root prompt for that, but you dont have to "root" the pre. it's openly available. Mar 21 04:38:39 start here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started Mar 21 04:42:29 * rwhitby creates saverestore script for netstat Mar 21 04:43:29 rwhitby: what is this saverestore business? I might doctor my phone very soon.. Mar 21 04:43:29 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/org.daemon.de.netstat Mar 21 04:43:56 Tman: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore Mar 21 04:44:11 i'm at something like 26 days since i got my VZW Pre and the slider is starting to wobble a little bit, and there's a gap between the screen and the base. think I should try to get a warranty replacement? Mar 21 04:44:12 thanks Mar 21 04:45:09 i dont know if i'm just getting it "broken in", or if it's actually having issues Mar 21 04:45:35 cxreg: depends on how much a "little bit" is :p and there's a small gap on mine.. no big deal Mar 21 04:45:43 a mm or two Mar 21 04:45:52 not big, but noticable Mar 21 04:46:22 when its open or closed? Mar 21 04:46:25 closed Mar 21 04:46:50 mine's a fraction of a mm looks like Mar 21 04:46:56 same Mar 21 04:47:00 but mines a sprint pre Mar 21 04:47:03 launch day model Mar 21 04:47:40 i got mine a week ago and the only thing i dont like is sometimes it closes only partially Mar 21 04:47:50 like the lower lip is still open a bit Mar 21 04:47:57 rwhitby: ok so is this something I can use right now? :p Mar 21 04:48:15 Tman: nope Mar 21 04:48:19 darn.. Mar 21 04:48:25 lol Mar 21 04:48:26 needs a mojo front end Mar 21 04:48:34 my phone doesn't have that, and it only has a very slight oreo effect, as in maybe a mm each way Mar 21 04:48:50 be sure to play with it more, soon that mm each way will be an inch! Mar 21 04:48:53 oil: seen http://forums.precentral.net/2320161-post5664.html ? Mar 21 04:49:41 preware needs a search mode imo Mar 21 04:49:45 now i have seen it Mar 21 04:49:51 cr4wl3r, preware HAS search xD Mar 21 04:50:02 where i hasnt found it Mar 21 04:50:09 ... just type... Mar 21 04:50:09 has sorting but no search Mar 21 04:50:15 oh lol Mar 21 04:50:27 (when you're in a package list scene) Mar 21 04:50:43 ok so does doctoring leave your USB drive alone? Mar 21 04:50:55 cr4wl3r: didn't read the splash screen when you first installed Preware, hey? Mar 21 04:50:56 rwhitby: i don't see why that couldn't be an option Mar 21 04:51:02 lol Mar 21 04:51:05 i dont read manuals Mar 21 04:51:23 cr4wl3r: and therefore have no knowledge of features ;-) Mar 21 04:52:08 i think that something should be intuitive enough to let a user navigate without reading a single thing Mar 21 04:52:32 oil: maybe we should change that button on the splash screen from "OK, I have read this, now let's continue" to "OK, I have intentionally ignored this, let's get on with it" Mar 21 04:52:40 anhahaha Mar 21 04:52:41 lol Mar 21 04:53:12 we could always make the timer longer for the button to appear Mar 21 04:53:18 I totally would Mar 21 04:53:20 so they get angry they can't just skip and decide to read Mar 21 04:53:31 then it appears when they're not looking Mar 21 04:53:33 oil: 10 minutes maybe? Mar 21 04:53:38 i dont know how long it should be Mar 21 04:53:46 i think its at like 10 seconds right now Mar 21 04:53:50 their age times 2 Mar 21 04:54:00 maybe add one word at a time, each second Mar 21 04:54:00 then i'd think the aplication crashed if i couldnt do something for 10 minutes lol Mar 21 04:54:10 you could read Mar 21 04:54:12 and scroll through Mar 21 04:54:42 and at the end of the screen it would say "this screen will have an OK button in 10 minutes" Mar 21 04:54:48 oh, its 5 seconds Mar 21 04:55:26 oil: maybe put the button at the end of the text, if that's possible. Mar 21 04:55:33 it is Mar 21 04:55:42 oh, scratch that, then we'd get "how do I exit the first screen" questions. Mar 21 04:55:47 but making them scroll is no good Mar 21 04:55:50 Tman: here's a flv of the issue: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4365538/palm_pre_gap.flv Mar 21 04:56:44 That's so bad that I'd send it to someone in Australia and get a new one. Mar 21 04:56:56 heh Mar 21 04:56:57 lol Mar 21 04:57:00 hah Mar 21 04:57:28 cxreg: bigger than mine for sure but I don't know if it's really a problem :p Mar 21 04:57:32 assuming you're not being a smartass, i do find it annoying and ill probably take i tin Mar 21 04:57:44 oil: ok, so I've got databases sorted now (both normal and ext: ones) Mar 21 04:57:55 and cookies? Mar 21 04:58:06 * halfhalo_T400 is waiting for unlocked gsm phones so he can get a pixi to test with Mar 21 04:58:07 are cookies stored somewhere per app, or in a big single file? Mar 21 04:58:19 ore 135, a cookies.db file Mar 21 04:58:23 halfhalo_T400: there already are unlocked gsm phones - I have 2 of them Mar 21 04:58:26 idk if its changed Mar 21 04:58:33 (im sure its on the preware trac :) Mar 21 04:58:36 * halfhalo_T400 has already saved up for whatever new phone palm releases this symmer Mar 21 04:58:47 halfhalo_T400: here's hoping they live that long Mar 21 04:58:49 and I mean an unlocked gsm with 3g here in the states Mar 21 04:58:50 wirc uses cookies if you need an app to test with Mar 21 04:58:56 it uses cookies to store server connection info Mar 21 04:58:57 and prefs Mar 21 04:59:04 halfhalo_T400: oh, a weird frequency one Mar 21 04:59:14 * halfhalo_T400 would like to point out so does Steam Friends Pro Mar 21 04:59:37 halfhalo why do you want a pixi? Mar 21 04:59:44 test Mar 21 05:00:11 what does it offer that you want to test that you cant with a pre? Mar 21 05:00:13 My thinking is I can keep the latest and greatest on my sprint plan, then have any others unlocked and just switch the sim card between them Mar 21 05:00:50 oh just for the cheap factor? Mar 21 05:00:52 My app can use a ton of cpu time if its doing a first run on a large friends list Mar 21 05:01:26 imo palm should have never made the pixi Mar 21 05:01:40 i keep half expecting sony to buy palm Mar 21 05:01:44 shitty hardware, and now they have to support it Mar 21 05:01:45 I think they should have bumped up the camera and dropped the price Mar 21 05:02:25 should have marketed it torwards people with dumbphones as well Mar 21 05:03:01 And I stand by my statement that withough a proper desktop component, the webos platform will fail Mar 21 05:03:43 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5952 Mar 21 05:03:49 yeah they really need a better desktop app, cant rely on ical and address book sync Mar 21 05:04:47 that thread: tl;dr Mar 21 05:05:11 oil: INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.ws.','junk.wirc','/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.wirc','mojo_cookie_server-1', ... Mar 21 05:05:33 lol, its basically what I think a proper desktop app should have Mar 21 05:05:44 halfhalo: then write it :) Mar 21 05:06:07 rwhitby: is that a question? Mar 21 05:06:20 I am, but thats not the point. There needs to be one withought resorting to dev mode for info Mar 21 05:06:39 oil: that's the wirc cookie? Mar 21 05:06:50 wirc should have a few cookies Mar 21 05:06:58 one for prefs, one for info about servers Mar 21 05:07:04 one for each server configured Mar 21 05:07:19 INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.ws.','junk.wirc','/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.wirc','mojo_cookie_preferences', Mar 21 05:07:46 server-1 would be the first configured server Mar 21 05:07:52 preferences is obvious Mar 21 05:07:56 i thought there was one called servers also Mar 21 05:07:59 ok, so now I need to turn "ws.junk.wirc" into an SQL statement which selects both of those ... Mar 21 05:08:14 maybe that data is in the prefs cookie Mar 21 05:08:20 INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.ws.','junk.wirc','/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.wirc','mojo_cookie_servers', Mar 21 05:08:25 ok, 3 of them Mar 21 05:08:26 I also strongly believe that palm should tie in a desktop notification system into Mojo, where you can specify a seperate notification to be sent to the desktop and displayed with growl/etc Mar 21 05:08:51 I never open the USB plug on my main device Mar 21 05:09:19 ok I think I'm gonna doctor my phone.... Mar 21 05:09:23 rwhitby: are you asking me the query that will select all 3? Mar 21 05:09:43 oil: no, just thinking aloud, and using the channel for documentation :-) Mar 21 05:09:47 ah Mar 21 05:09:57 cause thats not enough info to form a select Mar 21 05:10:01 idk what each of hte fields are named Mar 21 05:10:31 its weird that hte appid is split in two fields Mar 21 05:10:43 i wonder why they did that Mar 21 05:10:47 yeah, that's what I'm pondering. I know how to do the rest. Mar 21 05:11:04 or how com.palm alls would look split? Mar 21 05:11:20 INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.','app.contacts', Mar 21 05:11:23 or is it just ...applications.com Mar 21 05:11:49 hey where in the linux filesystem are the photos located? Mar 21 05:11:59 from the camera that is Mar 21 05:12:01 so the location of the app is split Mar 21 05:12:03 oil: cookies must be saved in the profile Mar 21 05:12:07 with /'s being replaced with . Mar 21 05:12:16 INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.var.usr.palm.applications.com.','accuweather.palm', Mar 21 05:12:24 i would just select via that 3rd field Mar 21 05:12:36 I don't have anything in /var, and I've doctored since, and that cookie is still there Mar 21 05:12:51 that is just the location Mar 21 05:13:24 please don't tell me you can put anything there .... Mar 21 05:13:35 put anything where? Mar 21 05:14:00 that cookie I just pasted had to have come from the palm profile restore Mar 21 05:14:21 since I don't have apps in /var since I last doctored this device with 1.4 Mar 21 05:14:52 so what you're saying is, dont worry about cookies? Mar 21 05:14:53 yeah Mar 21 05:14:53 xD Mar 21 05:15:00 cookies are restored Mar 21 05:15:17 !!! Mar 21 05:15:28 well, I guess a question is whether saverestore should or should not handle stuff that the palm profile handles Mar 21 05:15:28 * halfhalo_T400 has gotten a basic Device Stage Running! Mar 21 05:16:05 people who have a working profile may not want it restored. people who don't have a profile definitely will want it restored Mar 21 05:16:55 * rwhitby wonders what the "secure" field in the cookie means Mar 21 05:17:50 we need a cookie cleaner app too Mar 21 05:18:03 mmmm Mar 21 05:18:04 cookies Mar 21 05:18:05 INSERT INTO "Cookies" VALUES('.','admob.com','/','uuid' Mar 21 05:24:06 poor mans app catalog: "http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:/appredirect/%3Fpackageid%3D+site:developer.palm.com" Mar 21 05:29:00 now, what meta-data should I store with each backup Mar 21 05:29:23 nuid, um..... Pie? Mar 21 05:29:40 I was thinking more app-version, timestamp, webos-version, ... Mar 21 05:30:07 the key is to try and automatically prevent overwriting of a good backup, or restoring a bad backup Mar 21 05:30:14 I would also go device type Mar 21 05:30:44 it doesn't leave the device, so no need. Mar 21 05:32:20 * mjkjr is done napping and ready to get back to testing Mar 21 05:32:33 I still think that it should, since its easy enough to do and if any future versions of the app let you do device to device (IE you break one /get a new one) its already got the foundation Mar 21 05:36:50 why would the backup of app data for a Pre or Pixi be different? Mar 21 05:36:53 * halfhalo_T400 is adding the framework for groups and weblinks to his apps Mar 21 05:37:07 (and you may well want to transfer the backup between two different devices) Mar 21 05:37:58 Well, 3d apps on pixi are a no-go as it is, and I was also thinking about the emulator as well. I seriously doubt it would work at all on the emulator, but I know people will try and then come running back complaining on how its crap and broke their computer Mar 21 05:38:02 oil: given an appid, can mojo get at a .json file in /media/internal/saverestore//metadata.json ? Mar 21 05:38:24 i dont know Mar 21 05:38:30 I think it can Mar 21 05:38:34 maybe? Mar 21 05:38:38 halfhalo_T400: this doesn't back up apps themselves, just the data Mar 21 05:38:58 I know that, but still Mar 21 05:39:15 oil: just thinking of the best way for the saverestore app to display the metadata associated with a backup for a particular appid Mar 21 05:39:33 and right now I'm using an Ajax.Request to put and grab crap from /media/internal/SteamFriends, so a json file is entirely possible Mar 21 05:40:10 oil: or alternatively the service can just return the metadata.json file Mar 21 05:41:32 rwhitby, i really dont know one way or the other Mar 21 05:41:48 what exactly is luna? is that like the equivalent of the springboard for a pre? when i installed an application it said to restart luna and then it looked like it reset the phone? Mar 21 05:41:49 i know there is a read file function Mar 21 05:41:51 * halfhalo_T400 is debating whether to store group data in its own db with each group having a single entry or having multiple groups tied to each user Mar 21 05:41:54 but its limited in what it can access Mar 21 05:42:38 Actually reading the JSON file is easy, the hard part would be putting it in a folder in /media/internal Mar 21 05:42:47 cr4wl3r: luna is the gui Mar 21 05:42:57 ah Mar 21 05:43:00 thx Mar 21 05:43:13 halfhalo_T400: a C service can do anything it wants Mar 21 05:43:23 I know Mar 21 05:43:38 Its still harder than reading it though Mar 21 05:43:38 :p Mar 21 05:44:14 Example: http://www.pastie.org/879308 Mar 21 05:44:14 echo '{ "key" : "value" }' > /media/internal/foo/bar.json Mar 21 05:44:22 rwhitby: im very new to the pre but ive been jailbreaking my ipod for a while so i know some of what im getting into Mar 21 05:45:17 Im trying to grab a pic file from media internal and then processing the result, which will always be onSuccess Mar 21 05:46:05 hmm - I need to rewrite the saverestore service based on what I learned from the ipkgservice rewrite Mar 21 05:46:52 eh, screw it Mar 21 05:47:00 For right now groups will be part of the user json Mar 21 05:49:46 i tried to move a file from /media/internal/ to /etc/event.d/ and i got a read only FS error? is there a way around this? Mar 21 05:53:19 cr4wl3r: remount rw the partition? Mar 21 05:54:59 ive done tht, idk what is happening Mar 21 06:17:43 anybody up Mar 21 06:39:45 hi anyone online and know about ipkg? Mar 21 06:40:03 precentral is a super depressing place Mar 21 06:40:28 I install Preware and when I run it says ipkg configuration failure Mar 21 06:40:38 tanaks, what about it? Mar 21 06:42:03 why is precentral depressing? Mar 21 06:42:47 they're basically saying palm will be bankrupt soon Mar 21 06:42:59 synack: it pops up with the configuration failure error when I run preware Mar 21 06:43:01 url? Mar 21 06:43:13 I've installed it using every method possible Mar 21 06:47:50 where would be the best place to find out about this? Mar 21 06:47:50 synackfin1, I mean unless you'er talking about forums everything I've seen on precentral's default blog space has been pretty level headed about Palm's current position right now Mar 21 06:49:01 psykoz: not saying they're not level headed, but it's depressing to read about analysts putting $0 price targets on the stock Mar 21 06:51:06 psykoz: or about their dwindling cash reserves and death-spiral Mar 21 06:52:04 those are all very legitimate things to be concerned about if you're someone who's following everything Palm, I think I'm personally happier that PreCentral blogged it rather than just ignored it Mar 21 06:55:15 psykoz: not disagreeing its importance or relevance. just saying it's super depressing :( Mar 21 06:55:24 you're looking at bankruptcy as a negative thing also, sometimes bankruptcy is a positive thing for companies Mar 21 06:55:47 a) it allows debt and/or other contractual obligations to be wiped out and/or renegotiated on better terms Mar 21 06:56:18 b) it becomes a good buying opportunity for another company to either use all or specific components of the what they're purchasing for pennies on the dollar Mar 21 06:56:41 c) allows for effective restructuring to happen if either a or b happen Mar 21 06:57:41 MCI is a profitable company today, Enron is as well, they're not "known" companies anymore, they're not in the spotlight like they were, but they're profitable efficient machines. Mar 21 06:58:18 I guess Mar 21 06:59:19 I just want to be able to continue using webos and continue getting software updates Mar 21 06:59:51 and hopefully upgrade to snapdragon later this year Mar 21 07:04:56 does anyone know the default root password (password for root@castle) ive tried root and it doesnt work Mar 21 07:05:08 there is no root password Mar 21 07:05:20 just press enter? Mar 21 07:05:35 how are you trying to connect? Mar 21 07:05:42 ssh Mar 21 07:05:57 is ssh installed? Mar 21 07:06:08 logged in as unprivleged user, and sudo su - Mar 21 07:06:13 as in, you did openssh through preware or whateva Mar 21 07:06:19 to get root privleges Mar 21 07:06:25 then yes, just press enter Mar 21 07:06:32 k Mar 21 07:06:42 says wrong password Mar 21 07:07:41 reary? bah, shows how much I know. Havent used ssh in for ever Mar 21 07:09:13 well basically it shouldnt matter if im ssh or if i was using a terminal app on a phone should it? im asking as an unprivleged user for root access via the command "sudo su -" and niether root or a blank password work Mar 21 07:10:03 No, it shoudn't, but I havent actually used a terminal app/ssh in a long time, just novatern/novacom Mar 21 07:10:33 well when you want to get root access what do you do? Mar 21 07:10:43 novaterm Mar 21 07:11:17 you shouldn't ssh in as an unprivleged user.. you should be set up to ssh as root Mar 21 07:11:43 the guide set up openssh and it asked me to create an account Mar 21 07:11:52 it wasnt a privleged account Mar 21 07:12:14 was this guide for pre? you should use a different guide :/ Mar 21 07:12:21 yes Mar 21 07:12:38 i did a wget and ran the .sh file and all tht Mar 21 07:12:39 well I've never heard of anyone creating more accounts on their pre Mar 21 07:12:58 it created an unprivelged user Mar 21 07:13:10 bah, I just tied in novaterm to mah devicestage Mar 21 07:13:33 well you could use novaterm to change the root password Mar 21 07:13:54 what is the command string in novaterm then? Mar 21 07:14:40 hi guys, question...I'm trying to set up my authorized_keys file on my pre i've copied it over into the phone but when i "ls -l /media/internal/authorized_keys" it saids the file doesn't exist.... Mar 21 07:14:48 im currently loggedin as @palm-webos-device Mar 21 07:15:17 what do you mean commang string in novaterm... Mar 21 07:17:05 what is the command you type to go from unprivleged user to superuser? Mar 21 07:17:34 in novaterm you always are root Mar 21 07:17:36 I'd like to see a snapdragon inside of a pre Mar 21 07:18:16 I'd like to see a hooker inside of a pre, but you don't always get what you want Mar 21 07:18:28 but i'm fairly happy with 720 atm so oh well Mar 21 07:18:51 s/fairly/pretty/ Mar 21 07:18:51 mjkjr meant: but i'm pretty happy with 720 atm so oh well Mar 21 07:20:04 i love how easy ubuntu makes it to run novaterm Mar 21 07:20:19 windows is just... novaterm Mar 21 07:20:40 well i had vista and never used novaterm Mar 21 07:20:46 i guess it's the same Mar 21 07:20:52 meh Mar 21 07:20:53 not really Mar 21 07:20:58 its not installed by default Mar 21 07:21:03 only novacom Mar 21 07:21:06 oh i see Mar 21 07:21:22 which is almost the same since you can just go novacom -t open tty:/ Mar 21 07:21:43 yeah, i pretty much installed ubuntu yesterday and was going withing 5 minutes =) Mar 21 07:22:04 Lulz Mar 21 07:22:10 I take days to set it up Mar 21 07:22:30 but then I basically start from scratch and custom compile everathang Mar 21 07:23:53 well i basically installed it next to vista from a cd, couldn't have been easier. considering reformatting and installing only ubuntu, time will tell Mar 21 07:25:03 meh, none of my current systems run linux, the closest is the mini with snow leopard Mar 21 07:25:51 everything is great, besides my laptop shutting down randomly 10+ times today after install Mar 21 07:26:01 lulz Mar 21 07:26:35 linux on laptops never ends well Mar 21 07:26:56 maybe I should run one of the netbook ones? Mar 21 07:27:09 bah, linux is best on desktops Mar 21 07:27:29 its powermanagement generally sucks Mar 21 07:28:07 it seems smoother and more intuitive than vista Mar 21 07:31:07 i have a pc i built in high school i could install on, has an amd 1.3 slightly overclocked to 1.51, didn't know if it could handle ubuntu though Mar 21 07:31:20 should be fine Mar 21 07:31:23 hi? Mar 21 07:31:29 hola Mar 21 07:31:38 hey halfhalo_T400 Mar 21 07:32:22 what do we do when WinScp refuses the authentication key? Mar 21 07:32:58 for the pre? I have no idea.... Mar 21 07:33:08 * mjkjr loves the 'Workspace' idea Mar 21 07:33:22 oh, get gnome-shell Mar 21 07:33:24 freaking Mar 21 07:33:26 awesome Mar 21 07:33:49 annndddd... I'm going to bed! Mar 21 07:33:52 gnight peeps Mar 21 07:33:56 night Mar 21 09:00:00 tanaks: you need to be running 1.3.5 or later Mar 21 09:12:36 rwhitby, so why a service and not a pdk plugin? Mar 21 09:13:33 oil: hmm - dunno Mar 21 09:13:46 oil: probably cause I can easily test the service without having to write Mojo :-) Mar 21 09:13:57 lol Mar 21 09:17:09 oil: looks like swisstomcat is interested in doing the saverestore app Mar 21 09:17:32 well thats good Mar 21 09:29:12 oil: once it's working as a service, we can use it as a guinea pig for a PDK plugin Mar 21 09:29:30 but since it will do stuff to other packages, I doubt it would get into the app catalog Mar 21 10:04:29 * rwhitby waits for people to see the Save & Restore app in the testing feed and start creating threads about it on PreCentral ... Mar 21 10:15:46 who has been testing Preware 0.9.31 and Package Manager Service 0.9.44 ? Mar 21 10:19:15 i haven't been messing with it at all Mar 21 10:19:22 because rescan has been doing weird stuff Mar 21 10:56:54 moin Mar 21 14:33:19 ARG! Mar 21 14:33:35 I cant get netcat to work from my palm to my pc! Mar 21 14:34:25 Ive tried opening up all tcp in and out in iptables but still no luck. I can send to the palm via netcat but cant send to the pc. Mar 21 15:05:10 If anyone is interested, the version of netcat installed on the pre just doesnt work. You must install one from ipkg-opt Mar 21 15:44:32 morn' Mar 21 16:23:25 hi, is there a way to assign a notification method ( vibrate, mute etc. ) per messaging ACCOUNT? vibrating each time somew Mar 21 16:23:40 one writes on jabber is too much :( Mar 21 16:31:49 bsm: there is a patch to do so, i think... Mar 21 16:32:39 what i would want: vibrate/signal/whatever; but only when last notification (global|for this contact) was more than xxx (5minutes) ago Mar 21 18:48:28 is the free version of MyTether still working in 1.4.0? Mar 21 19:06:25 hi Mar 21 19:06:54 i have a idear for a new webos-patch again xD Mar 21 19:07:40 would it be possible to disable the automatic brightness of the camera? Mar 21 19:44:08 rwhitby: oil: did the question about the drpodder db get answered? The scripts at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.drnull.drpodder-hb don't seem to be around anymore... Mar 21 20:25:02 drnull_: ping Mar 21 20:25:10 rwhitby: pong Mar 21 20:25:23 drnull_: moved to http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree;f=scripts Mar 21 20:25:45 thanks, I read the log a bit more to see the saverestore app, cool Mar 21 20:26:11 drnull_: does HB and non-HB store stuff exactly the same? Mar 21 20:26:45 you mean for me in particular or in general? Mar 21 20:27:12 for drPodder Mar 21 20:27:45 gotcha. They should look exactly the same, to the best of my knowledge. Mar 21 20:28:13 until I add fields to the HB then that hasn't made it to the non-HB, but then I'll upgrade the db version Mar 21 20:28:29 the version is stored in the palm database though Mar 21 20:29:43 hmm - yeah, looks like I need to grab the database version and store it somewhere. Mar 21 20:32:50 I think you'll find that not everybody uses the html5 storage database version though. Before webos 1.4, the changeVersion function didn't work, so if you needed to upgrade your db, you just did it and kept track in another table or in a cookie. Mar 21 20:34:09 rwhitby: I assume you saw the version table in the .db? __WebKitDatabaseInfoTable__ Mar 21 20:34:27 yeah. that's per-database, right? not per-app. Mar 21 20:34:32 correct Mar 21 20:34:39 and it's not related to the app version Mar 21 20:39:21 right, so I need to check all database versions before doing a restore Mar 21 20:40:44 yes, again, assuming the program uses the db versioning. but really, the app should be able to upgrade old versions, right? Mar 21 20:42:17 anybody know of good list tutorials besides the super basic ones on the web? Mar 21 20:42:27 drnull_: yeah, good point. so I need a "force" button which allows you to overwrite a newer version db with an older version that you've saved Mar 21 20:42:35 BigBiff -> #webos Mar 21 20:42:50 oops Mar 21 20:42:54 (lots more mojo developers in there :-) Mar 21 20:43:03 ya, hit the wrong button Mar 21 20:43:05 ha Mar 21 20:43:36 drnull_: what other meta-data do you think should be stored with a backup of your app's data? Mar 21 20:43:49 cookies I guess? Mar 21 20:44:17 one problem (specific to drPodder) is the downloaded files. I will have to fail gracefully if the downloaded file isn't available, I guess. Mar 21 20:44:20 sorry, I mean meta-data, like app version, webOS version, etc Mar 21 20:44:33 hey Mar 21 20:44:51 swisstomcat: so we need to think of a good icon for saverestore. I think it should have the same Tux from Preware, but doing something different. Mar 21 20:44:59 what would a saverestore tux do? Mar 21 20:45:03 yes Mar 21 20:45:10 compressing something? Mar 21 20:45:26 that's just the save part tho Mar 21 20:45:28 hmm - saverestore doesn't necessarily compress anything Mar 21 20:45:39 take something out a drawer, put something in Mar 21 20:45:45 maybe Tux standing next to a filing cabinet? Mar 21 20:45:51