**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010
Mar 22 04:38:42 <SiLlY_> Alice in wonderland is pretty good.
Mar 22 04:39:07 <bpadalino> i saw it today and thought it was mediocre .. even boring in some parts :(
Mar 22 04:39:24 <bpadalino> also diary of a wimpy kid was somewhat mediocre as well ..
Mar 22 04:40:51 <SiLlY_> Havent seen that one yet
Mar 22 04:40:59 <SiLlY_> was more comedy though?
Mar 22 04:41:18 <SiLlY_> i mean.. moreso than alice...
Mar 22 04:41:56 <SiLlY_> the fuddlewacking freaked me out.
Mar 22 04:41:59 <SiLlY_> lol
Mar 22 04:43:24 <bpadalino> yeah that was pretty weird
Mar 22 04:43:31 <bpadalino> diary wasn't a lot of comedy
Mar 22 04:43:44 <bpadalino> it was more just cruel .. that main kid is a pretty huge jackass for most of the movie
Mar 22 04:45:52 <SiLlY_> lol..
Mar 22 04:46:25 <SiLlY_> the advert didn't really grab me.
Mar 22 04:46:31 <SiLlY_> I might check it out for the hell of it.
Mar 22 04:46:47 <bpadalino> eh - you should wait for a dvd or something
Mar 22 04:47:03 <SiLlY_> yeah.. most deff!
Mar 22 04:47:31 <SiLlY_> i filled my theatre time quota for the month
Mar 22 04:47:33 <SiLlY_> heh
Mar 22 04:47:52 <SiLlY_> got kids..
Mar 22 04:47:59 <bpadalino> understandable
Mar 22 04:48:00 <SiLlY_> only reason why i bother
Mar 22 04:48:12 <bpadalino> i end up seeing a lot of movies .. mostly documentaries
Mar 22 04:48:49 <SiLlY_> those can be good depending on the person
Mar 22 04:50:09 <SiLlY_> if a movie advert is really good.. I might make a special trip..
Mar 22 04:50:14 <SiLlY_> but most times i get burnt
Mar 22 04:50:29 <bpadalino> i hear ya
Mar 22 04:50:45 <SiLlY_> any recomendations?
Mar 22 04:50:52 <SiLlY_> I like documentaries
Mar 22 04:51:06 <bpadalino> i recently saw What's The Matter With Kansas? which was interesting
Mar 22 04:51:20 <SiLlY_> hrmm
Mar 22 04:51:26 <SiLlY_> never heard of that.
Mar 22 04:51:29 <SiLlY_> let me check imdb
Mar 22 04:52:01 <bpadalino> Lake of Fire is an amazingly powerful documentary about the abortion issue
Mar 22 04:53:29 <bpadalino> i recently saw the oscar nominated animated shorts .. i recommend seeing that whole thing - all of them were good this year along with a few of the honorable mentions
Mar 22 04:55:01 <bpadalino> The Art of the Steal looks good which is coming out
Mar 22 04:55:17 <SiLlY_> wow...
Mar 22 04:55:37 <SiLlY_> didn't know kansas was even on the scale when it came to issues
Mar 22 04:55:49 <SiLlY_> all you ever hear of them is the incest thing
Mar 22 04:55:50 <SiLlY_> like wv
Mar 22 04:55:52 <SiLlY_> lol
Mar 22 04:57:07 <SiLlY_> Art of steal does look good
Mar 22 04:57:15 <SiLlY_> the ^
Mar 22 06:46:47 <noaXess> good morning.
Mar 22 06:50:25 <noaXess> just for information, swisstomcat and me will present webos-internals on openExpo here in switzerland: http://www.openexpo.ch/index.php?id=339 see at the bottom..
Mar 22 06:50:58 <noaXess> the OpenExpo is on this wednesday and thursday...
Mar 22 06:51:49 <noaXess> is here now anybody of the core webos-internals team? have one or more questions..
Mar 22 06:52:21 <keith> look for rwhitby
Mar 22 06:52:26 <keith> hes sleeping now probably
Mar 22 07:01:57 <rwhitby> morning
Mar 22 07:02:07 <noaXess> rwhitby: aha.. good mornin ;
Mar 22 07:02:09 <noaXess> :)
Mar 22 07:02:37 <rwhitby> noaXess: what would you like to know?
Mar 22 07:03:28 <noaXess> rwhitby: so.. it will be nice, if we have a email-adress for swissteam... but i just chatted with swisstomcat and he said that you are not really happy..
Mar 22 07:04:57 <rwhitby> noaXess: what will the email address be used for?
Mar 22 07:05:27 <rwhitby> (we currently have a single support@webos-internals.org address, and no others, not even for individuals)
Mar 22 07:05:36 <swisstomcat> morning
Mar 22 07:06:24 <noaXess> good morning
Mar 22 07:06:42 <noaXess> rwhitby: okay.. so, we can use support@... okay
Mar 22 07:07:04 <rwhitby> for contact, we usually direct people to this IRC channel.
Mar 22 07:07:18 <rwhitby> then we know they're serious :)
Mar 22 07:07:35 <Kyusaku> rwhitby: did you get those adapters I sent you yet? I think I sent them like a week and a half ago, got tied up about sending them.
Mar 22 07:07:43 <noaXess> we will make a little flyer with the webos-internals logo, information about webos-internals, the irc channel and the email-adress support@
Mar 22 07:07:44 <rwhitby> Kyusaku: yes!  thanks!
Mar 22 07:07:54 <Kyusaku> cool
Mar 22 07:08:05 <noaXess> rwhitby: is that ok, with the flyer?
Mar 22 07:08:13 <rwhitby> noaXess: ka6sox-work will have the flyer we used for SCALE - perhaps a translation of that?
Mar 22 07:08:48 <swisstomcat> oh, you had a flyer
Mar 22 07:08:49 <noaXess> rwhitby: aha.. so an existing flyer..
Mar 22 07:08:58 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I think we did.
Mar 22 07:09:00 <noaXess> ka6sox-work: hello.. and good morning.
Mar 22 07:09:13 <rwhitby> we had a physical banner too
Mar 22 07:09:18 <swisstomcat> he's probably sleeping
Mar 22 07:09:31 <swisstomcat> i've adapted the physical banner to a vertical one
Mar 22 07:09:40 <swisstomcat> format A1
Mar 22 07:09:42 <noaXess> swisstomcat: that was the pdf one right?
Mar 22 07:09:44 <swisstomcat> but same text
Mar 22 07:09:47 <swisstomcat> yes
Mar 22 07:09:56 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/4/41/WebOS_Internals_Banner_Screenshot.png
Mar 22 07:10:05 <noaXess> so if we have ka6sox-work's flyer, we got all...
Mar 22 07:10:25 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: yup, that one
Mar 22 07:11:20 <swisstomcat> bbl .. breakfast
Mar 22 07:11:37 <noaXess> swisstomcat: enjoy :)
Mar 22 07:15:34 <thumbtack> ever since i updated to the new webOS, terminal freezes and then reboots my pre, is there a fix for this? i tried reinstalling it..
Mar 22 07:21:03 <rwhitby> thumbtack: terminal is not compatible with webOS 1.4
Mar 22 07:22:00 <noaXess> rwhitby: do you know when ka6sox-work will be online?
Mar 22 07:22:07 <thumbtack> rwhitby: shewt. any updates planned?
Mar 22 07:22:51 <thumbtack> or is it possible to revert to an old web0S?
Mar 22 07:27:47 <thumbtack> or maybe a terminal "alternative" ?
Mar 22 07:28:00 <thumbtack> that allows me to ssh
Mar 22 07:28:42 <rwhitby> noaXess: ka6sox-work is in CA, US.
Mar 22 07:29:02 <rwhitby> thumbtack: there is terminus and xterm, both in alpha testing
Mar 22 07:29:53 <swisstomcat> rehi
Mar 22 07:30:11 <swisstomcat> hey, there's oil
Mar 22 07:30:12 <thumbtack> i just got used to pre's terminal too...<sighs>
Mar 22 07:30:42 <oil_pre> yeah, it is
Mar 22 07:32:36 <swisstomcat> any feedback on the save/restore ui "concept"?
Mar 22 07:37:37 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no real feedback, so I'll assume its good :-)
Mar 22 07:38:02 <swisstomcat> i'll work on it today
Mar 22 07:38:11 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: we could also add a "Stale Application Data" section at the top (like Preware's Package Updates) which lists those apps that have changed data since the last save.
Mar 22 07:38:36 <rwhitby> or maybe "Updated Application Data" is a better description
Mar 22 07:38:48 <swisstomcat> yeah, stale doesn't sound nice
Mar 22 07:39:09 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: did you see the new icon?
Mar 22 07:39:14 <swisstomcat> let me work out interfacing
Mar 22 07:39:15 <swisstomcat> no?
Mar 22 07:40:16 <swisstomcat> someone already made an icon?
Mar 22 07:42:23 <swisstomcat> oh, i see it
Mar 22 07:43:04 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: so just leave the Updated Application Data greyed out for the moment and we'll work out how to do that later
Mar 22 07:44:13 <swisstomcat> hey, someone already put it in
Mar 22 07:44:30 <rwhitby> the icon?  yeah, I did that.
Mar 22 07:47:24 <oil_> there is a "concept"?
Mar 22 07:48:23 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 22 07:48:43 <rwhitby> oil: http://bit.ly/saverestore
Mar 22 07:48:44 <swisstomcat> a non-functional ui-mockup
Mar 22 07:49:26 <oil> oh, that
Mar 22 07:52:46 <oil> thats just a list, lol
Mar 22 07:54:39 <rwhitby> no, it's a non-functional UI mock-up ;)
Mar 22 07:56:00 * swisstomcat is working on it
Mar 22 07:59:28 * oil hopes it has random taglines and "Functional UI" is one of them xD
Mar 22 07:59:44 <rwhitby> oil: it will
Mar 22 08:00:10 <rwhitby> "Likely to restore correctly" will be another one
Mar 22 08:03:41 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'm working on the taglines and color concept ;)
Mar 22 08:04:01 <swisstomcat> it will have 400 random taglines out of movies
Mar 22 08:04:26 * rwhitby thinks the current colours are perfect :)
Mar 22 08:11:39 <thumbtack> perhaps there is an app that just "does" ssh?
Mar 22 08:17:04 <rwhitby> thumbtack: there is not
Mar 22 12:17:46 <chuk> how do I find the developer mode so I download this patch?
Mar 22 12:19:39 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org/
Mar 22 12:22:49 <swisstomcat> how do use "a raffle" in a sentence?
Mar 22 12:22:56 <swisstomcat> raffle off something?
Mar 22 12:23:05 <swisstomcat> have a raffle off something
Mar 22 12:46:08 <noaXess> i need help in building a webos-client for funambol..
Mar 22 13:40:51 <larson> I downloaded preware but it won't let me in it keeps coming up a failure
Mar 22 13:46:36 <swisstomcat> how did u download/install it?
Mar 22 13:46:40 <swisstomcat> oops, too late
Mar 22 13:47:44 <noaXess> yes
Mar 22 13:50:45 <en0x> oh palm going to att
Mar 22 13:51:22 <nt4cats> en0x: link?
Mar 22 13:51:34 <en0x> nt4cats, http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/03/palm-webos-coming-to-att.html
Mar 22 13:53:17 <nt4cats> en0x: thanks, that's good news.  I've been a bit depressed by the recent bunch of Palm news ...
Mar 22 13:54:22 <en0x> i dont pay attention to analytics crap
Mar 22 13:55:13 <nt4cats> analytics crap, stock price, ars technica columnist saying "Palm is dead" -- the problem is it scares people away from buying a webOS phone
Mar 22 13:55:43 <nt4cats> ... and without new users this amazing platform will wither on the vine
Mar 22 13:55:54 <swisstomcat> a fair article: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/rip-palm-its-over-and-heres-why.ars
Mar 22 13:55:55 <en0x> will see how it will do on att
Mar 22 13:56:09 <zsoc_wirc> Palm is fine imo
Mar 22 13:59:00 <sampson_> idk i'm not a OMG fanboy but a lot of that article doesn't bare anything to 90% of phone users
Mar 22 13:59:03 <sampson_> who really uses google phone?
Mar 22 13:59:19 <en0x> google?
Mar 22 13:59:22 <sampson_> yes i'm on my soon to be second pre but hey iphone had issues when it first came out
Mar 22 13:59:26 <sampson_> google voice whatever
Mar 22 14:00:12 <nt4cats> a miasma of FUD is simply not what webOS needs right now.
Mar 22 14:00:34 <swisstomcat> but palm has a problem .. 500k of unsold inventory
Mar 22 14:00:58 <swisstomcat> but i agree bad press is not good ... but at least it's better than no press
Mar 22 14:01:13 <swisstomcat> but we developers keep trucking .. i am
Mar 22 14:01:41 <swisstomcat> going to present webos-internals and the pre at an open source expo this wed/thurs
Mar 22 14:01:51 <en0x> 500k of unsold inventory will go to att
Mar 22 14:01:52 <en0x> ;)
Mar 22 14:02:14 <swisstomcat> 500k unsold is probably not pre/pixi plus
Mar 22 14:02:34 <swisstomcat> give them away as developer phones, that's what i would do :)
Mar 22 14:02:46 <en0x> i thought that pre/pixi plus was exclusive to verizon but looks like att is getting them too
Mar 22 14:03:25 <bpadalino|work> swisstomcat: maybe not give away, but sell at slightly above cost as developer phones may be a better thing ..
Mar 22 14:03:49 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 22 14:03:56 <swisstomcat> i could use one
Mar 22 14:04:06 <bpadalino|work> instead of MSRP-20% .. maybe they could do COST+20%
Mar 22 14:04:38 <swisstomcat> was there ever a cost breakdown for the pre? manuf cost?
Mar 22 14:04:43 <zsoc_wirc> cost+anything is more than they are making with it sitting on a shelf
Mar 22 14:04:46 <sampson_> it's hard to get developers to move to a platform that has maybe 1% of the userbase iphone has
Mar 22 14:05:14 <zsoc_wirc> sampson_: a bit more than 1 percent..
Mar 22 14:05:43 <nt4cats> sampson: it is hard to get noticed in an app catalog with 78,000 fart applications
Mar 22 14:06:06 <sampson_> true
Mar 22 14:06:13 <sampson_> but palm is falling victim to the same exact thing
Mar 22 14:06:20 <sampson_> their app catalog is atrocious to find anything
Mar 22 14:06:48 <bpadalino|work> it's a shame more people aren't enticed by the hot apps promotion
Mar 22 14:07:05 <sampson_> it'll be interesting to see what the pdk brings out that's for sure
Mar 22 14:07:23 <sampson_> but like say i want to find an app that was released 6 months ago... for instance twit or whatever
Mar 22 14:07:35 <sampson_> search twit and every app with the word "twit" in it even if it is a part of another word shows up
Mar 22 14:07:36 <zsoc_wirc> I believe there are only 9-10 mil american iphone users.
Mar 22 14:07:38 <sampson_> and twit will be buried
Mar 22 14:08:00 <bpadalino|work> sampson, but the fact the data is available online to send to your phone and browse online .. that should mean something, right ?
Mar 22 14:08:29 <sampson_> huh
Mar 22 14:08:30 <swisstomcat> i need some guidance how preware interfaces with the service
Mar 22 14:08:30 <bpadalino|work> zsoc_wirc: but 70M ipod touches .. which makes it a pretty impressive userbase for a developer
Mar 22 14:08:42 <sampson_> and soon a couple mil ipads
Mar 22 14:08:57 <bpadalino|work> sampson_: http://projectappetite.com/
Mar 22 14:09:23 <sampson_> sure but think of it from a non-nerd's prospective
Mar 22 14:09:32 <sampson_> they're not going to find that site
Mar 22 14:11:24 <swisstomcat> anyone here that worked on preware?
Mar 22 14:11:27 <bpadalino|work> point taken, but it's not like finding any application in any of the competing marketplaces is any easier
Mar 22 14:11:46 <sampson_> but at least apple tries to combat app spam
Mar 22 14:11:51 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: everyone who worked on preware is here
Mar 22 14:12:00 <sampson_> the new flood of public domain books 20x a day is really annoying
Mar 22 14:12:09 <swisstomcat> the fact that projectappetite/myappbox/cyrket exists is very cool
Mar 22 14:12:13 <sampson_> true
Mar 22 14:12:32 <sampson_> but they should use that to create a "preware" that people can install from the app store
Mar 22 14:12:33 <swisstomcat> zsoc_wirc: ok, who worked on the service interface? IPKGService.js
Mar 22 14:12:36 <bpadalino|work> sampson_: when does the $50 per app stuff kick into effect ?
Mar 22 14:12:46 <sampson_> huh
Mar 22 14:12:58 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: you can check the git changelog, but I'm imagining oil/rod/puff
Mar 22 14:13:15 <sampson_> rwhitby did some major changes to it recently iirc
Mar 22 14:13:25 <bpadalino|work> sampson_: palm should be charging $50 per app submission you want in the app catalog .. it was waived at first, but should be in effect now if not soon
Mar 22 14:13:35 <swisstomcat> i need some help interfacing with the saverestore service
Mar 22 14:13:48 <sampson_> oh i am not sure
Mar 22 14:14:02 <swisstomcat> or next question, who did the saverestore service? :)
Mar 22 14:14:15 <bpadalino|work> work time
Mar 22 14:14:21 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby is all about saverestore
Mar 22 14:14:38 <swisstomcat> he's probably asleep
Mar 22 14:15:12 <swisstomcat> guess i'll keep poking around in the preware-source
Mar 22 14:15:26 <swisstomcat> i just need some noob hand-holding :)
Mar 22 14:16:35 <nt4cats> It is quite selfish and rude of rwhitby to sleep.  If he was considerate he'd just swap out his human parts for cyborg parts and then we could talk to him anytime we want.
Mar 22 14:17:30 <swisstomcat> yup
Mar 22 14:17:57 <swisstomcat> we can all sleep when we're dead
Mar 22 14:17:59 <swisstomcat> :)
Mar 22 14:30:56 <swisstomcat> how do i install the saverestore service on the emulator?
Mar 22 14:31:43 <noaXess> swisstomcat: is ther no way to dowload the ipkg file and the install it over cli?
Mar 22 14:32:11 <swisstomcat> it's all in testing as far as i know
Mar 22 14:34:25 <mikewx> does freetether hve a homepage? or any info about it. I hear people talking about it but I can't really find much info
Mar 22 15:03:13 <zsoc_wirc> where do email attachments go when they are downloaded? /var somewhre?
Mar 22 15:12:31 <sventen> anyone working on pixi webos 1.4.0 for sprint?
Mar 22 15:26:27 <nt4cats> My wife wants a Pixi (sprint) -- but our data coverage is poor at our house.  This isn't a problem for me -- I just swtich on WiFi at home.  I can't buy her a webOS phone and then tell her she can't use it for anything other than making calls
Mar 22 15:26:57 <mikewx> nt4cats: i think the sprint portable cell site alows 1x data
Mar 22 15:27:20 <nt4cats> mikewx: 1x stinks.  I'm hoping that Sprint will come out with their 3G portable cell site someday
Mar 22 15:27:58 <mikewx> would be nice
Mar 22 15:28:04 <nt4cats> ... or maybe there will be a new Palm handset on Sprint sometime in the June-ish timeframe and I'll get one of those and give her my Pre
Mar 22 15:28:14 <mikewx> feed it from an verizon MiFi and have great sprint service anywhere :-)
Mar 22 15:28:37 * mikewx ducks
Mar 22 15:32:23 <zsoc_wirc> not a bad idea
Mar 22 15:37:50 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: buy/install an actual network extender
Mar 22 15:38:18 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: it's about 250-300 dollars and 1-2 hours of installation
Mar 22 15:39:56 <nt4cats> an "actual network extender"?
Mar 22 15:40:25 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: yeah, a bidirectional amplifier
Mar 22 15:41:03 <zsoc_wirc> mount a small antenna/amplifier to your roof/house, and plug a small repeater indoors (its two pieces)
Mar 22 15:41:08 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: <sarcasm>I'm not into any of thay bidrectional stuff.  I'm a happily married man.</sarcasm>
Mar 22 15:41:17 <zsoc_wirc> it increases signal about 1/4 mile
Mar 22 15:41:28 <zsoc_wirc> ... nice
Mar 22 15:41:55 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: who sells it / what is it called / what do I type into the Google ?
Mar 22 15:42:53 * jbrett perks up his ears, is also interested in such a beastie for his home..
Mar 22 15:43:58 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: tirect direct sells one for $209. unsure of the brand tho. they have them listed under Communications -> Cellular Accessories ~> Signal Boosters
Mar 22 15:44:16 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: thanks
Mar 22 15:44:47 <zsoc_wirc> obviously different models repeat various signals/frequencies
Mar 22 15:45:37 <zsoc_wirc> "zBoost" is a funny name lol
Mar 22 15:45:38 <nt4cats> (in case anyone cares -- I have many irreverant bones in my body, but I don't have a single bigoted one)
Mar 22 15:46:39 * jbrett googles for "home cellular signal booster", and gets lots of apparently relevant results.
Mar 22 15:46:46 <zsoc_wirc> hm, amazon sells the same PCS one for $198
Mar 22 15:49:48 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: I'm not in any hurry to get something until June (which is not that far away) ... and hopefully by then Sprint will have a 3G picocell for $100 or so
Mar 22 15:51:42 <halfhalo> thinkgeek has some
Mar 22 15:54:29 <halfhalo> were in the DANGAZONE!
Mar 22 15:56:18 <nt4cats> ... and a WiMax webOS phone with a form factor similar to the Droid
Mar 22 15:57:24 * halfhalo wants
Mar 22 16:06:16 <SiLlY_> bah..
Mar 22 16:06:40 <halfhalo> no
Mar 22 16:19:25 <jdforsythe> hey everybody
Mar 22 16:19:51 <jdforsythe> anyone tried installing sdk tools on the device itself so you could develop on the go?
Mar 22 16:20:25 <jdforsythe> I think this would be possible, not virtualbox obviously, but just palm-generate and palm-package
Mar 22 16:20:29 <halfhalo_T400> well, THAT was interesting
Mar 22 16:20:38 <halfhalo_T400> Luna did not crash, it just froze...
Mar 22 16:21:12 <jdforsythe> i've had so many problems with luna and too many cards errors it's ridiculous
Mar 22 16:23:48 <halfhalo_T400> never had a to many cards error since 1.4 I am glad to say
Mar 22 16:24:17 <zsoc_wirc> luna needs to have source released under a very careful license that protects IP while allowing open patching
Mar 22 16:27:40 <jdforsythe> anyone have a guess or thoughts on the palm tools? think I could just copy them over?
Mar 22 16:27:56 <halfhalo_T400> what are we copying again?
Mar 22 16:30:53 <jdforsythe> palm-package and palm-generate command line tools from linux sdk to the device to be run in terminal on the device
Mar 22 16:31:08 <halfhalo_T400> why.....
Mar 22 16:31:20 <halfhalo_T400> and no, they wont work
Mar 22 16:33:17 <jdforsythe> I want to be able to work on apps on the go from my pre
Mar 22 16:47:17 <zsoc_wirc> jdforsythe: I package apps on my phone using a debian chroot and webos-internals build.git
Mar 22 16:53:36 <jdforsythe> cool! thanks for the info!
Mar 22 16:56:52 <oilsworkn> swisstomcat: did you find the help you were lookin for?
Mar 22 17:40:21 <oilsworkn> i hate when i come here when i'm at work to kill time, only to find the channel completely dead xD
Mar 22 17:40:29 <halfhalo_T400> Heh
Mar 22 17:40:48 <halfhalo_T400> I'm in class studying for a midterm I have in two hours
Mar 22 17:41:05 <oilsworkn> sux
Mar 22 17:41:11 <drnull> it's not dead yet
Mar 22 17:41:17 * halfhalo_T400 kills it
Mar 22 17:41:19 <halfhalo_T400> NOW IT IS
Mar 22 17:42:28 <oilsworkn> so are you swimming in cash yet drnull?
Mar 22 17:42:43 * halfhalo_T400 was looking into mtp drivers yesterday and sadly didn't find crap
Mar 22 17:43:35 <drnull> oilsworkn: funny guy.  :) I've been pleased with the response, but even more so with the ratings.  People so nice to me.  ;)
Mar 22 17:43:45 <halfhalo_T400> what app?
Mar 22 17:43:51 <oilsworkn> drpodder
Mar 22 17:43:58 <halfhalo_T400> ah
Mar 22 17:45:10 * oilsworkn knows where to go now when he needs to borrow money
Mar 22 17:45:18 <oilsworkn> :)
Mar 22 17:47:22 <jacques> it's only mostly dead
Mar 22 17:47:33 <oilsworkn> that new ebay app
Mar 22 17:47:41 <oilsworkn> needs more search filtering options
Mar 22 17:48:07 <oilsworkn> hey, a wircer
Mar 22 17:48:07 <halfhalo_T400> Hmmm
Mar 22 17:48:14 <halfhalo_T400> I think I left my wallet at home
Mar 22 17:48:16 <DrFunk> sup oilsworkn
Mar 22 17:48:24 <halfhalo_T400> how am I supposed to pay for lunch
Mar 22 17:48:33 <DrFunk> steal it
Mar 22 17:48:37 <oilsworkn> beg
Mar 22 17:48:38 <halfhalo_T400> and more importantly, how am I supposed to pay for the hookers!
Mar 22 17:49:01 <DrFunk> bang them than tell them ur a cop
Mar 22 17:49:06 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Mar 22 17:49:14 <oilsworkn> "IOU"?
Mar 22 17:49:33 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Mar 22 17:49:48 <halfhalo_T400> Oh, wait, found it
Mar 22 17:49:54 <DrFunk> hey oilsworkn do you no of something I can use to upload photos
Mar 22 17:50:01 <halfhalo_T400> twitpic
Mar 22 17:50:28 <halfhalo_T400> stupid postfix algoritm should die
Mar 22 17:50:31 <DrFunk> I tried tinypic but guess that will not work on the pre
Mar 22 17:50:54 * oilsworkn has never tried to upload photos from his pore
Mar 22 17:51:01 <oilsworkn> s/pore/pre/
Mar 22 17:51:05 <DrFunk> halfhalo_T400: so use twitpic
Mar 22 17:51:10 <oilsworkn> ~botsmack
Mar 22 17:51:12 <infobot> OWW!
Mar 22 17:51:25 <halfhalo_T400> I DO use it!
Mar 22 17:54:48 <DrFunk> halfhalo_T400: so that will work ?
Mar 22 17:55:18 <halfhalo_T400> it does for me!
Mar 22 17:56:16 <DrFunk> that's for twitter
Mar 22 17:56:29 <DrFunk> looking for something like tinypic
Mar 22 17:56:30 <halfhalo_T400> theres an option to not publish it to your timeline
Mar 22 17:57:25 <DrFunk> so ur not sure of anything like tinypic than ?
Mar 22 17:57:42 <halfhalo_T400> nein
Mar 22 17:57:45 <DrFunk> sup Rick_work
Mar 22 17:57:59 <DrFunk> darn
Mar 22 17:58:24 <oilsworkn> isnt there flickr upload or something?
Mar 22 17:59:11 <DrFunk> I'm not sure that's why I was asking was looking for something like tinypic
Mar 22 18:01:09 <oilsworkn> there is photobucket
Mar 22 18:01:29 <oilsworkn> view photo in photo app, click bottom left button, click upload, add photobucket account
Mar 22 18:03:27 <DrFunk> so oilsworkn that's my best bet
Mar 22 18:03:35 <oilsworkn> idk
Mar 22 18:04:25 <DrFunk> darn
Mar 22 18:41:32 <swisstomcat> oil: not yet
Mar 22 18:45:14 <oilsworkn> well what did you want to know
Mar 22 18:46:18 <swisstomcat> interfacing with a service
Mar 22 18:46:27 <swisstomcat> e.g the saverestore service
Mar 22 18:46:40 <oilsworkn> and IPKGService.js was no help?
Mar 22 18:46:46 <swisstomcat> i found some code in the preware code, seems pretty easy
Mar 22 18:46:52 <oilsworkn> ok
Mar 22 18:47:05 <swisstomcat> services just return json?
Mar 22 18:47:09 <oilsworkn> yes
Mar 22 18:47:25 <oilsworkn> well, they return json, but your callback function will get the object
Mar 22 18:47:29 <oilsworkn> not the string
Mar 22 18:47:33 <swisstomcat> yeah, saw that
Mar 22 18:47:44 <swisstomcat> ok, next step would be to install the service on the emulator
Mar 22 18:47:50 <swisstomcat> i can't compile it myself
Mar 22 18:48:06 <oilsworkn> yeah, going to have to get rwhitby to do that
Mar 22 18:48:16 <oilsworkn> i dont know if he got that working in the autobuilder yet
Mar 22 18:49:29 <oilsworkn> or maybe egaudet or PuffTheMagic would be real nice and compile you a binary of it for the emulator
Mar 22 18:49:50 <oilsworkn> :)
Mar 22 18:53:53 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
Mar 22 18:54:01 <halfhalo_T400> hate you
Mar 22 19:04:37 <swisstomcat> thank you for the new toys, chuq .. appreciated!
Mar 22 19:04:52 <swisstomcat> ops, wrong forum
Mar 22 19:27:31 <oil> you hate me?
Mar 22 20:05:58 <noradtux> hello
Mar 22 20:06:04 <swisstomcat> hey
Mar 22 20:06:35 <noradtux> rwhitby: was the patch I sent you ok?
Mar 22 20:16:20 <rwhitby> noradtux: hi
Mar 22 20:16:47 <noradtux> rwhitby: hi
Mar 22 20:17:16 <rwhitby> noradtux: patch looks good, I'll just add your key now and you can commit it
Mar 22 20:17:46 <noradtux> ok. i'll need a hint how to do that;)
Mar 22 20:18:03 <noradtux> using git was just branching and pulling stuff up to now
Mar 22 20:18:32 <rwhitby> noradtux: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/cross-compile.git
Mar 22 20:18:39 <jacques> heh I was going to say it was too early for rwhitby - glad I didn't
Mar 22 20:19:50 <noradtux> rwhitby: works
Mar 22 20:19:57 <swisstomcat> morning rwhitby
Mar 22 20:20:14 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: the saverestore package in build.git/testing/saverestore will build and install on device or emulator
Mar 22 20:20:34 <swisstomcat> i tried but i have not setup x-compiling
Mar 22 20:20:42 <rwhitby> noradtux: now make sure your git config is set up for name and email
Mar 22 20:20:52 <rwhitby> noradtux: then git add, git commit, git push
Mar 22 20:21:02 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: what host platform?
Mar 22 20:21:21 <noradtux> okay, will do
Mar 22 20:21:30 <swisstomcat> ubuntu 9.10 x64
Mar 22 20:21:45 <swisstomcat> i have a virtual machine for x-compiling tho
Mar 22 20:21:51 <swisstomcat> scratchbox2 and all
Mar 22 20:21:59 <swisstomcat> have not used it tho
Mar 22 20:22:10 <swisstomcat> and i wanted to test the app in the emulator anyway
Mar 22 20:24:58 <noradtux> rwhitby: ok, chanegs pushed
Mar 22 20:25:03 <noradtux> changes ..
Mar 22 20:26:14 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: can the saverestore service be installed on the emulator?
Mar 22 20:26:20 <rwhitby> noradtux: ok, now you ask someone else here to test it :-)
Mar 22 20:26:33 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yes, there is an i686 ipkg in the testing feed
Mar 22 20:26:44 <swisstomcat> how do i get that?
Mar 22 20:26:52 <swisstomcat> still learning :)
Mar 22 20:27:05 <rwhitby> ~testing-feed
Mar 22 20:27:06 <noradtux> rwhitby: eeeek
Mar 22 20:27:06 <infobot> from memory, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Mar 22 20:27:53 <swisstomcat> aye
Mar 22 20:28:23 <noradtux> okay, so if anyone is interested, I just pushed a simple espeak-package to nonworkling
Mar 22 20:28:34 <swisstomcat> what does it do?
Mar 22 20:28:53 <noradtux> current aim was to have speech in navit, and that it does
Mar 22 20:29:28 <swisstomcat> navit?
Mar 22 20:29:45 <noradtux> www.navit-project.org, a open-source navigation tool
Mar 22 20:30:04 <noradtux> I mean offline street navigation
Mar 22 20:31:49 <noradtux> navit is also in nonworking
Mar 22 20:32:05 <swisstomcat> oh, i've heard of that
Mar 22 20:32:10 <swisstomcat> it has been ported to webos?
Mar 22 20:32:20 <noradtux> more or less ;)
Mar 22 20:32:46 <noradtux> it's still crashing often, but in between it works
Mar 22 20:33:47 <loot-> random side bar
Mar 22 20:34:12 <loot-> im developing a hardened web browser platform in virtualbox would anyone be interested in being a lab rat?
Mar 22 20:34:40 <loot-> basically its a full hardened linux OS with every hardening feature, patch, tweak, permission, acl, etc enabled
Mar 22 20:34:43 <loot-> minimal in size
Mar 22 20:34:51 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: i'm using http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all ... am i blind?
Mar 22 20:34:59 <loot-> hardened chroot sandboxed with RBAC ACLs
Mar 22 20:35:07 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/i686/
Mar 22 20:35:30 <rwhitby> (since it's a C service, it's arch specific)
Mar 22 20:35:33 <loot-> i expect it would pretty much crush nearly any local compromises due to browser bugs
Mar 22 20:35:35 * swisstomcat feels like an apprentice
Mar 22 20:35:58 <swisstomcat> aye, got it .. was working on the gui today ... next is interfacing with the service
Mar 22 20:44:26 <bsm> hi, I'm having a problem with the mail app and all IMAP accounts, after sending a messages, that message is not put into the "Sent Messages" folder I've configured in the settings.. any ideas?
Mar 22 20:49:32 <swisstomcat> can't use palm-install on that service i assume, rwhitby?
Mar 22 20:49:37 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yes, you can
Mar 22 20:49:43 <swisstomcat> oh, ok
Mar 22 20:49:46 <rwhitby> remember, it has the new script magic :)
Mar 22 20:49:57 <swisstomcat> thumbs up
Mar 22 20:50:12 <swisstomcat> shall i push/commit the changes i made so far?
Mar 22 20:53:31 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yes please
Mar 22 20:54:02 <swisstomcat> oh no, that git add spiel again :)
Mar 22 20:58:57 <noradtux> just took a look at the testing feed .. do xorg & xterm work?
Mar 22 20:59:17 <rwhitby> noradtux: ask dtzWill
Mar 22 20:59:28 <swisstomcat> do i need a commit message every time?
Mar 22 21:01:11 <oilsworkn> usually you log what you've changed or the reason for the commit
Mar 22 21:01:24 <oilsworkn> (thats what i do anyways)
Mar 22 21:01:52 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: that's the way you communicate to the other developers
Mar 22 21:02:03 <swisstomcat> ok
Mar 22 21:02:33 <swisstomcat> pushing my commit now
Mar 22 21:11:49 * oilsworkn keeps refreshing gitweb expecting to see swisstomcats code :)
Mar 22 21:16:22 <noradtux> i'm off, bye
Mar 22 21:19:07 <swisstomcat> it should be up
Mar 22 21:19:10 <swisstomcat> i hipe
Mar 22 21:19:12 <swisstomcat> hope
Mar 22 21:19:43 * oilsworkn doesn't see it
Mar 22 21:20:37 <swisstomcat> how can i check?
Mar 22 21:21:39 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=summary
Mar 22 21:21:39 <oilsworkn> ?
Mar 22 21:21:48 <swisstomcat> locally i mean
Mar 22 21:22:05 <oilsworkn> oh know just enough about git to barely use it
Mar 22 21:22:12 <swisstomcat> same here
Mar 22 21:22:23 <swisstomcat> i did git add, git commit and then git push
Mar 22 21:25:40 <oilsworkn> oh there it is
Mar 22 21:27:16 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: don't git add ~ files :)
Mar 22 21:28:52 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I've removed them - git pull
Mar 22 21:32:24 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: 0.1.5 is now in the testing feed
Mar 22 21:36:02 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
Mar 22 21:39:54 * rwhitby bbl
Mar 22 21:41:11 <halfhalo_T400> you would wouldn't you....
Mar 22 21:41:14 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Mar 22 22:13:01 <bsm> hm, a dumb question. I got the sources for ledmanager from git and I'd like to build it now. the root contains a build.xml, is this a apache-ant build.xml? do I need to build that from the WIDK or something?
Mar 22 22:13:34 <rwhitby> bsm: preware/build.git has the build environment
Mar 22 22:17:09 <bsm> yeah, another build environment :) thanks rwhitby, is there maybe a central place where new developers could find this information?
Mar 22 22:17:52 <rwhitby> bsm: here, and on the wiki page you're about to write? ;-)
Mar 22 22:18:15 <bsm> rwhitby: webos-internals ? :)
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Mar 22 22:55:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Mar 22 22:57:37 <zsoc> 10.04 is even starting to _look_ like aero
Mar 22 22:57:58 <zsoc> I mean, it's nice to have compositing built into Gnome/X and all, but seriously guys...
Mar 22 23:00:58 * oilsworkn prefers not to discuss operating systems
Mar 22 23:01:41 * zsoc thinks oil uses windows :p
Mar 22 23:02:06 * oilsworkn does
Mar 22 23:05:46 * halfhalo_T400_ is using windows and is proud of it!
Mar 22 23:10:54 <rwhitby> so, do we have a wiki page on where the Messaging app keeps it's messages?
Mar 22 23:11:14 <DrFunk> rwhitby: do you have a sec
Mar 22 23:11:28 <bpadalino> rwhitby: i thought they're all in the main palm db ..
Mar 22 23:11:33 <bpadalino> and someone had a query to see all the texts
Mar 22 23:11:53 <zsoc> There's a lot of app-specific db crap in /var/palm too
Mar 22 23:12:14 <rwhitby> bpadalino: where is the main palm db ?
Mar 22 23:13:01 <DrFunk> rwhitby: will pandora work with the t505 or just music I put on the phone ??
Mar 22 23:13:11 <rwhitby> DrFunk: no idea
Mar 22 23:13:33 <bpadalino> rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/187145-how-back-up-text-messages-when-exchanging-phones.html
Mar 22 23:13:40 <rwhitby> bpadalino: thx
Mar 22 23:13:59 <DrFunk> rwhitby: ok so you just use music on the phoje that you put ?
Mar 22 23:14:04 <DrFunk> phone *
Mar 22 23:15:22 <rwhitby> DrFunk: I use DrPodder mainly, but the sound should come from anything
Mar 22 23:16:01 <DrFunk> ok thanks
Mar 22 23:16:54 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: is the autobuilder doing emu binarys for save&restore?
Mar 22 23:17:36 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: yep
Mar 22 23:17:57 * oilsworkn thinks we need to get wircd setup in there
Mar 22 23:18:41 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: yep
Mar 22 23:18:42 <DrFunk> oilsworkn: anyway of making wirc tranfer files ?
Mar 22 23:19:13 <oilsworkn> DrFunk: im sure there is, as soon as someone codes it
Mar 22 23:19:20 <zsoc> DrFunk: DCC would be hot, but you'd probably be asking PuffTheMagic about that
Mar 22 23:19:48 <oilsworkn> or egaudet :)
Mar 22 23:19:51 <DrFunk> zsoc: I've tried never get a answer
Mar 22 23:20:04 <oilsworkn> teh answer is "there is no reason it cant"
Mar 22 23:20:11 <oilsworkn> other then there is no code to do it
Mar 22 23:20:33 <DrFunk> haha thanks oilsworkn
Mar 22 23:20:42 <oilsworkn> i believe it was on the todo list at some point
Mar 22 23:20:51 <oilsworkn> but there is other service problems that need to be addressed first
Mar 22 23:21:06 <jacques> it seems like wirc development has stalled
Mar 22 23:21:08 <DrFunk> understandable
Mar 22 23:21:14 <oilsworkn> and weather or not we want to switch to a plugin from a service
Mar 22 23:21:37 <oilsworkn> jacques: hey, i checked something in like two weeks ago
Mar 22 23:21:38 <oilsworkn> :)
Mar 22 23:21:49 <jacques> oilsworkn: oh, sorry then :-)
Mar 22 23:22:14 <AnOutsider> oil: are you doign the save/restore UI?
Mar 22 23:22:22 <oilsworkn> no
Mar 22 23:22:25 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: swisstomcat
Mar 22 23:22:26 <oilsworkn> swisstomcat is
Mar 22 23:22:31 <rwhitby> (and anyone else who wants to help)
Mar 22 23:22:49 <DrFunk> wish I could
Mar 22 23:22:53 <oilsworkn> though it seems to be borrowing the good styles and code from other projects :)
Mar 22 23:23:20 <AnOutsider> I was on the toilet this morning and thought the app listing of the installed apps in the catalog would be good
Mar 22 23:23:22 <oilsworkn> the multi-line header + icon + random second line + small version seems to be the default for webos apps now :)
Mar 22 23:23:23 * zsoc thinks 'oils style' is ares...
Mar 22 23:23:26 * zsoc ducks
Mar 22 23:23:28 <rwhitby> repo is in applications/saverestore.git - anyone who wants to add some lists with toggles based on the output of the list service method is quite welcome to do so while swisstomcat sleeps ;)
Mar 22 23:23:37 <AnOutsider> with little icons (like the update icon) for "backup" and "restore"
Mar 22 23:23:46 <AnOutsider> tapping an app would bring you to maybe a history of previous abckups
Mar 22 23:24:01 <oilsworkn> sounds like AnOutsider wants to work on it
Mar 22 23:24:11 <AnOutsider> haha
Mar 22 23:24:16 <AnOutsider> I'm contributing idears
Mar 22 23:24:20 <AnOutsider> yes. idears.
Mar 22 23:24:36 <zsoc> rwhitby: what is the current state of homebrew software across doctors? is saverestore tackling that at all?
Mar 22 23:24:42 <oilsworkn> zsoc: i tried out ares
Mar 22 23:24:49 <oilsworkn> it felt like it was taking all the power away from me
Mar 22 23:25:01 <oilsworkn> in an attempt to make it easier
Mar 22 23:25:02 <zsoc> oilsworkn: no, that's windows
Mar 22 23:25:04 * zsoc ducks again
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Mar 22 23:44:16 <zsoc> AnOutsider: unless you mean the stage, and then no, definitely not
Mar 22 23:44:24 <zsoc> AnOutsider: it'll take me 5 times longer than someone who actually knows js
Mar 22 23:44:32 <AnOutsider> yes, that's what I meant, the forward-facing ish
Mar 22 23:44:43 <AnOutsider> blah, well let me figure this git thing out
Mar 22 23:44:50 <AnOutsider> I'm all set up for svn
Mar 22 23:45:00 <zsoc> AnOutsider: I will be your virtual git advisor
Mar 22 23:45:04 <zsoc> AnOutsider: what OS?
Mar 22 23:45:08 <AnOutsider> W7
Mar 22 23:45:12 <AnOutsider> I have... one sec
Mar 22 23:45:37 <AnOutsider> hmm I did have soem git software installed, dont know where it went though
Mar 22 23:45:44 <AnOutsider> I couldn't get the hang of committing etc
Mar 22 23:46:09 <zsoc> lemme know when you find it
Mar 22 23:46:58 <AnOutsider> I think I removed it, all I see is Tortoise
Mar 22 23:47:01 <AnOutsider> any you recommend?
Mar 22 23:47:45 <zsoc> cygwin + http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/downloads/list is the only thing i've ever used on windows
Mar 22 23:47:49 <zsoc> but rod might recommend something else
Mar 22 23:49:08 <zsoc> OH, apparently you can use msysgit without cygwin anymore
Mar 22 23:49:36 <AnOutsider> ok, let's go with the SIMPLEST option
Mar 22 23:49:40 <zsoc> so in theory, just that one url
Mar 22 23:49:42 <AnOutsider> I don't need something else to fight with
Mar 22 23:50:01 <zsoc> AnOutsider: http://msysgit.googlecode.com/files/Git-1.7.0.2-preview20100309.exe ?
Mar 22 23:50:45 <AnOutsider> downloading
Mar 22 23:51:42 <zsoc> AnOutsider: silly question... you have an SSH key, and rod has it?
Mar 22 23:52:08 <PuffTheMagic> holy shit
Mar 22 23:52:10 <rwhitby> google gitcast windows
Mar 22 23:52:21 <AnOutsider> I think we did that once before
Mar 22 23:52:23 <PuffTheMagic> the json lib for lisp is awesome
Mar 22 23:52:30 <AnOutsider> haha im halfway through installing this
Mar 22 23:52:52 <rwhitby> and I do have a key for AnOutsider
Mar 22 23:53:06 <zsoc> rwhitby: msysgit is the 'official' git suggested utility, is there a reason you prefer gitcast?
Mar 22 23:53:18 <rwhitby> the com.palm.superlog.Superlog database schema is quite complex ....
Mar 22 23:53:29 <rwhitby> zsoc: same thing.  one is a video which shows how to set up the other
Mar 22 23:53:36 <zsoc> rwhitby: oh, got it
Mar 22 23:54:59 <rwhitby> dtzWill: ping
Mar 22 23:55:01 <AnOutsider> @rwhitby: good, I'll just need to find mine
Mar 22 23:55:34 <AnOutsider> ok so anywho, im in the git gui
Mar 22 23:55:40 <AnOutsider> open existing or create new?
Mar 22 23:56:30 <zsoc> AnOutsider: I'd imagine open existing...
Mar 22 23:56:47 <zsoc> (a git gui?.. that sounds.. blasphemous)
Mar 22 23:57:02 <AnOutsider> its what you linked me to silly rabbit
Mar 22 23:57:42 <zsoc> AnOutsider: I haven't used it in a millions years :p besides, it offers a git bash option (or at least used to) for CLI
Mar 22 23:57:57 <AnOutsider> haha
Mar 22 23:58:01 <AnOutsider> if cli will be easier, let's do tht
Mar 22 23:58:12 <AnOutsider> just tell me what to type to get this bish checked out, and checked in
Mar 22 23:58:18 <zsoc> AnOutsider: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:/applications/saverestore.git
Mar 22 23:58:18 <AnOutsider> that way I can focus on the actual work
Mar 22 23:58:31 <AnOutsider> k, and do that from the folder right
Mar 22 23:58:40 <zsoc> AnOutsider: yeah, make some folder, right click on it, "git bash"
Mar 22 23:58:45 <zsoc> assuming nothing has changed since I've last used it
Mar 22 23:58:50 <zsoc> and my memory still works
Mar 22 23:59:32 <AnOutsider> heh, I think I installed only the GUI version
Mar 22 23:59:36 <AnOutsider> lemme see if I can reinstall
Mar 22 23:59:45 <zsoc> AnOutsider: just use the gui version
Mar 22 23:59:46 <zsoc> AnOutsider: i
Mar 22 23:59:50 <zsoc> i'm sure it's straight forward
Mar 23 00:00:23 <AnOutsider> not knwoing the terminology though, makes it a bit iffy
Mar 23 00:00:24 <rwhitby> zsoc, AnOutsider: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git
Mar 23 00:00:24 <zsoc> Clone -> Make Changes -> "Add" Files Changed, or new -> Commit (with change comments) -> Push
Mar 23 00:00:28 <AnOutsider> right click -> git GUI here
Mar 23 00:00:35 <AnOutsider> oh ok I want clone
Mar 23 00:00:38 <rwhitby> (no slash after the colon)
Mar 23 00:00:50 <zsoc> rwhitby: oh, er.. why?
Mar 23 00:00:57 <rwhitby> zsoc: just because
Mar 23 00:01:03 <zsoc> ...
Mar 23 00:01:46 <zsoc> 'just because', to the guy who broke down how function parameters/arguments work in assembly because he didn't want to take the books word for it
Mar 23 00:02:01 <rwhitby> I wonder if there is a service that can be used to insert messages back into the database
Mar 23 00:02:19 <rwhitby> cause that is going to be a nightmare to do manually
Mar 23 00:02:21 <zsoc> rwhitby: Well they have to get in there to begin with some how.
Mar 23 00:02:40 <zsoc> rwhitby: can we capture dbus while incoming text message? Or is that all closed magiks?
Mar 23 00:03:02 <zsoc> (also why can't we just cp the whole database file?)
Mar 23 00:03:52 <AnOutsider> rod, I'm going to have to send you a new key
Mar 23 00:03:57 <AnOutsider> no idea what the pass to this one is
Mar 23 00:04:28 <zsoc> AnOutsider: ssh-keygen -C "username@email.com" -t rsa
Mar 23 00:04:33 <zsoc> I _think_ is the correct format
Mar 23 00:04:46 <rwhitby> zsoc: cause it has all sorts of other stuff in the same database
Mar 23 00:05:02 <zsoc> rwhitby: is it stuff we also can't keep for some reason?
Mar 23 00:05:22 <zsoc> Maybe it can just be the "whole palm db" save/restore :p
Mar 23 00:06:08 <rwhitby> zsoc: it's stuff that will be restored when the palm profile is restored, and will have different ID numbers throughout
Mar 23 00:06:15 <zsoc> oic
Mar 23 00:06:22 <chrisa> Have any of the homebrewers made a way to back up sms / messenger conversations between flashing yet?
Mar 23 00:06:31 <zsoc> chrisa: we're doing it as we speak
Mar 23 00:06:36 <rwhitby> chrisa: that's what I'm looking at now
Mar 23 00:06:54 <chrisa> I lose my messages quite often
Mar 23 00:06:55 <AnOutsider> rod, new key sent
Mar 23 00:06:55 <zsoc> chrisa: apparently the problem is it shares a sqlite database with other garbage we can't keep, so it will involve table haks
Mar 23 00:07:06 <zsoc> chrisa: and by 'we' i mean rod is doing it :p
Mar 23 00:07:19 <AnOutsider> Permission denied (publickey). fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Mar 23 00:07:50 <en0x> the new [preware hungs on fixing unknown packages :S
Mar 23 00:07:53 <zsoc> AnOutsider: make sure you are using git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git to clone, and wait for rod to fix you up :p
Mar 23 00:07:58 <zsoc> en0x: sure it doesn't
Mar 23 00:08:04 <en0x> it does
Mar 23 00:08:09 <rwhitby> it does
Mar 23 00:08:15 <zsoc> ... not here
Mar 23 00:08:21 <rwhitby> (randomly, for a minority of people)
Mar 23 00:08:27 <en0x> and i turned it off in preferences
Mar 23 00:08:28 <zsoc> oh
Mar 23 00:08:31 <zsoc> interesting
Mar 23 00:08:47 <zsoc> must explode during the app id filename listing somewhere..
Mar 23 00:08:56 <rwhitby> en0x: if it says "fixing unknown packages" then it's not the new preware
Mar 23 00:09:23 <en0x> it says the app names com......
Mar 23 00:09:39 <rwhitby> zsoc: BTW, the other stuff in the sqlite database isn't garbage :)
Mar 23 00:09:43 <jacques> bbl
Mar 23 00:10:05 <zsoc> rwhitby: I don't really know sqlite very well (see: at all), but do all text entires share a common table name we can search/export by?
Mar 23 00:10:09 <zsoc> that's a really obvious question i suppose
Mar 23 00:10:39 <rwhitby> zsoc: sqlite3 /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 .dump
Mar 23 00:10:49 <zsoc> and for homebrew restore, won't it have to integrate with preware in some manner?
Mar 23 00:10:51 <zsoc> dumping...
Mar 23 00:10:58 <rwhitby> make sure you've got a lot of scrollback enabled
Mar 23 00:11:28 <AnOutsider> xsoc: will do
Mar 23 00:13:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: can't i just pipe it somewhere?
Mar 23 00:13:12 <oil> as far as preware integration
Mar 23 00:13:18 <oil> we could do something like http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/21
Mar 23 00:13:36 <oil> but send a list of packages, and preware opens right to the multi-install list
Mar 23 00:13:48 <zsoc> oh god, why would usb0 connect automagikally
Mar 23 00:14:12 <zsoc> oil: i like that idea.
Mar 23 00:14:16 <zsoc> a lot
Mar 23 00:14:17 * halfhalo_T400_ wants mtp pre support dammit
Mar 23 00:14:27 <zsoc> with an "install all" button
Mar 23 00:14:33 <oil> zsoc
Mar 23 00:14:41 <zsoc> oil
Mar 23 00:14:42 <oil> like the alread there "connected-pkg" scene
Mar 23 00:14:56 <oil> that you get when you view for dependencies
Mar 23 00:14:58 <zsoc> right
Mar 23 00:15:02 <zsoc> indeed
Mar 23 00:15:16 <oil> but both features assume that ipkgservice still has that single-package info load
Mar 23 00:15:24 <zsoc> oil: we can fix that
Mar 23 00:15:24 <oil> and i dont remember if it does
Mar 23 00:15:33 <AnOutsider> so while I wait for access, am I to parse out the files in the scripts directory to get the backupable apps?
Mar 23 00:15:53 <zsoc> AnOutsider: yeah.. i think it's pretty obvious which 4 they are :p
Mar 23 00:16:09 <AnOutsider> yeah, didnt know if there was somewhere else with the info
Mar 23 00:16:20 <oil> if i inderstood previous disucssion of the app
Mar 23 00:16:28 <oil> i assume that the service has a "get list" function
Mar 23 00:16:29 <AnOutsider> we should likely have a json file somewhere with the readable name and packageid
Mar 23 00:16:34 <oil> that tells you the scripts
Mar 23 00:16:40 <AnOutsider> that'll work
Mar 23 00:16:42 <oil> and backup status of some sort
Mar 23 00:17:53 <zsoc> oil: right
Mar 23 00:18:06 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: org.webosinternals.saverestore service
Mar 23 00:18:21 <rwhitby> methods: list, save, restore
Mar 23 00:19:09 <AnOutsider> k, is that in the beta feeds, or is that packaged with the app as part of your testing of packaging apps and services?
Mar 23 00:19:17 <AnOutsider> still can't clone btw
Mar 23 00:19:43 <zsoc> AnOutsider: i'm sure he'll let you know when the water's boiling :p
Mar 23 00:20:23 <zsoc> I like the "HasManyToMany" type in the relationships table lol
Mar 23 00:20:35 * halfhalo_T400_ does as well
Mar 23 00:21:31 <zsoc> ooo, it'll even save your selection as to which number/account of a contact is your default messaging entry
Mar 23 00:22:18 <AnOutsider> ah yes, I see. status, list, save, restore
Mar 23 00:22:35 <zsoc> rwhitby: what if, instead of exporting things that contain certain gibberish, we _dont_ export things that contain certain gibberish? We may just be able to grab everything in order from a certain column/table to a certain column/table (although to be honest I'm having issues visualizing this massive table in a dumb like this)
Mar 23 00:22:46 * zsoc fires up sqliteman
Mar 23 00:23:02 <zsoc> s/dumb/dump/
Mar 23 00:23:02 <infobot> zsoc meant: rwhitby: what if, instead of exporting things that contain certain gibberish, we _dont_ export things that contain certain gibberish? We may just be able to grab everything in order from a certain column/table to a certain column/table (although to be hon...
Mar 23 00:23:18 <zsoc> infobot: Cut ME off will you?!?!?!?!?!?! well... yeah, that's probably ok in that instance.
Mar 23 00:24:22 <halfhalo_T400_> SOMEONE is getting mad at robots again
Mar 23 00:24:39 <halfhalo_T400_> last time that happened we couldn't save the roomba's....
Mar 23 00:24:59 <chrisa> Have you ever tried to talk to a roomba? They're assholes
Mar 23 00:25:17 <sdodson> i got a new roomba, it's always whining about cleaning the brushes
Mar 23 00:25:26 <AnOutsider> their deaths wont be missed anyways, woot has a crapload of em
Mar 23 00:25:27 <zsoc> chrisa: have you ever tried to _ride_ a roomba? it's no joke
Mar 23 00:25:45 <halfhalo_T400_> oh god what have I started....
Mar 23 00:28:31 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: what does "ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org" reveal about the authentication error?
Mar 23 00:29:00 <AnOutsider> I dont have the command line tools installed
Mar 23 00:29:10 <zsoc> rwhitby: what if we export everything in the palm_com_messaging urispace "views". does sqlite have support for that? view-based table exportation?
Mar 23 00:29:12 <AnOutsider> I just get this in the GUI
Mar 23 00:29:13 <AnOutsider> Permission denied (publickey). fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Mar 23 00:29:31 <AnOutsider> in clone, I have source location as: git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git
Mar 23 00:29:40 <chrisa> That can be caused by many things. One of which would be the remote host not being set up to allow keys (unlikely in this situation, but I blame rwhitby)
Mar 23 00:30:03 <zsoc> I'm imaging the problem is the local key not being loaded properly...
Mar 23 00:30:14 <halfhalo_T400_> OR the gui is not using the private key (happens to me using git on osx sometimes)
Mar 23 00:30:15 <zsoc> AnOutsider: you may have generated the key, but you probably need to tell the gui where to find it
Mar 23 00:30:22 <AnOutsider> I can try restarting
Mar 23 00:30:29 <AnOutsider> zsoc: git gui generates the key
Mar 23 00:30:30 <chrisa> restarting is not the answer
Mar 23 00:30:33 <halfhalo_T400_> and ssh may bitch about permissions
Mar 23 00:30:34 <zsoc> chrisa: it's windows
Mar 23 00:30:39 <AnOutsider> when I click view key it shows it
Mar 23 00:30:41 <chrisa> oh
Mar 23 00:30:44 <halfhalo_T400_> RESTARTING IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER
Mar 23 00:30:49 <chrisa> I had no idea git gui generated rsa keys
Mar 23 00:31:18 <zsoc> chrisa: apparently msysgit has ssh-keygen
Mar 23 00:31:18 <halfhalo_T400_> As long as its not putty-gen which makes malformed keys that only putty will use
Mar 23 00:31:24 <AnOutsider> yeah, I restarted the app and it didn't make a difference
Mar 23 00:31:27 <chrisa> zsoc: weird
Mar 23 00:31:48 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: start a shell, type "ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org"
Mar 23 00:32:34 <rwhitby> you won't be able to get a terminal, but it will tell you the authentication problem
Mar 23 00:32:48 <AnOutsider> i had to do it through git gui
Mar 23 00:33:13 <rwhitby> git gui won't tell you the real authentication problem
Mar 23 00:33:22 <AnOutsider> http://i44.tinypic.com/2lkus1l.png
Mar 23 00:33:27 <AnOutsider> I meant git bash
Mar 23 00:33:48 <AnOutsider> see anything in there showing me doing something stupid?
Mar 23 00:34:10 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: which of id_rsa or id_dsa matches the public key that I have?
Mar 23 00:34:17 <zsoc> looks like they are backwards
Mar 23 00:34:36 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: id_rsa, right?
Mar 23 00:34:52 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: do I have the public key with matches that private key?
Mar 23 00:35:38 <AnOutsider> yes
Mar 23 00:35:42 <AnOutsider> I sent it about 20 mins ago
Mar 23 00:35:50 <AnOutsider> so if thats the one you have, then ya
Mar 23 00:36:02 <AnOutsider> id_rsa
Mar 23 00:36:11 <sdodson> .pub one would hope
Mar 23 00:36:28 <AnOutsider> one would be correct
Mar 23 00:38:44 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: I have no email from you tody
Mar 23 00:38:46 <rwhitby> today
Mar 23 00:38:56 <halfhalo_T400_> dundunDUNNNNNNNNNN
Mar 23 00:39:39 <AnOutsider> @astc-design.com
Mar 23 00:40:03 <AnOutsider> spammified maybe?
Mar 23 00:41:13 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: wrong email address - /msg'd you the correct one
Mar 23 00:41:43 <AnOutsider> resent
Mar 23 00:41:58 <zsoc> we all resent rwhitby
Mar 23 00:42:10 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: replace or add to existing key?
Mar 23 00:42:17 <AnOutsider> replace, I deleted old
Mar 23 00:42:53 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: try now
Mar 23 00:43:19 <AnOutsider> success
Mar 23 00:46:45 <zsoc> rwhitby: i see now why no one has text messaging backed up
Mar 23 00:47:01 <halfhalo_T400_> why
Mar 23 00:47:23 <zsoc> rwhitby: but in theory the newly generated views when you load your profile should be enough to support it, we should just have to backup the tables in the _messaging_ space
Mar 23 00:48:58 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep, but you have to link it back up with everything else
Mar 23 00:49:12 <rwhitby> without breaking anything
Mar 23 00:49:41 <zsoc> rwhitby: in fact, the only table I have with anything useful in it is com_palm_messaging_data_imgroup_com_palm_messaging_data_chatthread_imgroup_habtm_contactchatthread, but that's probably because I don't do a lot of diverse chatting
Mar 23 00:49:57 <zsoc> Also, that's a RIDICULOUSLY LONG table name
Mar 23 00:50:35 * halfhalo_T400_ has a table called hookers and blow for some reason.....
Mar 23 00:50:58 <zsoc> Oh, I think I might be surfing triggers. The table is the stuff in it is actually com_palm_messaging_data_chatthread
Mar 23 00:50:58 <zsoc> hm
Mar 23 00:51:02 <zsoc> this is a spiderweb
Mar 23 00:52:30 <zsoc> hmm, no I was closer to being accurate the first time. It seems like all of the info is also stored in the views, like duplicated
Mar 23 00:52:36 <zsoc> my head hurts
Mar 23 00:52:42 <AnOutsider> hahaha
Mar 23 00:52:51 <chrisa> I recall looking through the messenger tables one day
Mar 23 00:53:01 <chrisa> I didn't get anywhere
Mar 23 00:53:03 <rwhitby> chrisa: then you took a week's leave?
Mar 23 00:54:02 <rwhitby> I reckon we can probably extract name, number, text, and then try and use the incomingMessageCallback service method to put it back
Mar 23 00:54:08 <zsoc> rwhitby: I wonder if we can ignore the linking and just import the old views... technically new tables should generate with new conversations/additions to chatthreads, and old views should allow _seeing_ the threads at least. I'm not sure what that would mean in practice but if it works it would be the simplest solution
Mar 23 00:54:34 <rwhitby> zsoc: I haven't determined what the complete connected graph of tables is yet
Mar 23 00:54:38 <chrisa> rwhitby: you'd lose timestamps, but you could pretty easily register them all as new messages and users would be happy
Mar 23 00:54:50 <zsoc> rwhitby: incomingMessageCallback would break timestamps, no?
Mar 23 00:55:18 <zsoc> chrisa: no they would not. I am NOT CLICKING ON EACH MESSAGE THREAD and waiting for them to load to get rid of that stupid circle with the number of new messages in it
Mar 23 00:55:19 <rwhitby> yeah, it regenerates timestamps
Mar 23 00:55:42 <rwhitby> could do a second pass and change them after the message is there
Mar 23 00:55:50 <chrisa> zsoc: there must be a way to force that
Mar 23 00:55:57 <zsoc> rwhitby: what's the difference between 'extracting name, number, text' and just moving the whole view? That's where we'd extract them from anyway
Mar 23 00:56:01 <zsoc> chrisa: yeah, there is i'm sure :op
Mar 23 00:56:17 <rwhitby> hmm - it would call newMessageReceived too
Mar 23 00:56:25 <rwhitby> that's sub-optimal.
Mar 23 00:56:44 <zsoc> This would be a good programming contest. Make this work without using any sql or the sqlite utility besides 'dump' (and then a lot of awking...)
Mar 23 00:57:12 <rwhitby> might have to write some Java that calls  IMMessage.createNewMessage() directly
Mar 23 00:58:04 * zsoc still maintains there is a sql fix to this
Mar 23 00:58:21 * halfhalo_T400_ agrees: its called drop table
Mar 23 00:58:22 <rwhitby> createNewMessage(String imAddressServiceName, String address, Person person, boolean lookup, IMAccount account, String messageText, long incomingTimeStamp, boolean outgoing)
Mar 23 00:58:42 <zsoc> ok, so that's not a _bad_ idea
Mar 23 00:59:00 * zsoc gets a sudden idea for a text message spoofing app
Mar 23 00:59:23 <zsoc> you could set up 'self texts'. and have contacts in your phone book 'text you' certain things at certain times
Mar 23 00:59:29 <zsoc> you could totally fool your friends
Mar 23 00:59:46 <halfhalo_T400_> well, if you needed to fake messages, what friends?
Mar 23 00:59:52 <zsoc> "I'm going to tell amanda she's hot", "lol no you aren't", "yeah watch", "OMG SHE WRITES BACK AND SAYS IM HOT TOO"
Mar 23 01:00:03 <oil> lol
Mar 23 01:00:06 <zsoc> halfhalo_T400_: your fake ones
Mar 23 01:00:41 <Tibfib> fake messages to fake out your fake friends? I like it.
Mar 23 01:00:56 <halfhalo_T400_> thats like... a triple negative.
Mar 23 01:01:31 <rwhitby> oops: http://forum.mytether.net/
Mar 23 01:01:51 <halfhalo_T400_> silly php
Mar 23 01:02:05 <halfhalo_T400_> AHAHAHAHAHA
Mar 23 01:02:12 <halfhalo_T400_> the password makes me laugh
Mar 23 01:02:53 <Tibfib> oooopsy
Mar 23 01:02:59 <AnOutsider> ok before I turn in, rod, do I need to start this service manually?
Mar 23 01:03:13 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: installing the ipkg with palm-install should start the service
Mar 23 01:03:13 <AnOutsider> I imagine so since I get service not running error
Mar 23 01:03:25 <AnOutsider> I use komodo, and jsut launch
Mar 23 01:03:37 <AnOutsider> ill whip out woqi
Mar 23 01:03:45 <rwhitby> I doubt komodo will know how to install an advanced homebrew ipkg
Mar 23 01:04:10 <halfhalo_T400_> isn't komodo just using the palm-install wrapper?
Mar 23 01:04:24 <rwhitby> note that palm-package won't package the service properly
Mar 23 01:04:37 <halfhalo_T400_> then thats why
Mar 23 01:05:01 <AnOutsider> ok any command to start it manually?
Mar 23 01:05:05 <AnOutsider> I can pop in with ssh
Mar 23 01:05:20 <loopy> hey all..
Mar 23 01:05:43 <loopy> How do you change an already exhisting patch?
Mar 23 01:05:54 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: just run the exe in the bin dir
Mar 23 01:06:02 * rwhitby bbl
Mar 23 01:09:32 <loopy> anyone got any answers?
Mar 23 01:09:41 <zsoc> loopy: edit it, resubmit it?
Mar 23 01:09:58 <loopy> but it's not my patch
Mar 23 01:10:10 <zsoc> That can't seriously be the password.
Mar 23 01:10:17 <zsoc> I would have gotten it on the 4th guess.
Mar 23 01:10:31 <zsoc> loopy: patches are generally submitted MIT, which means... it _is_ your patch.
Mar 23 01:10:56 <loopy> MIT? like the school?
Mar 23 01:10:59 <zsoc> loopy: But you can edit it, and resubmit it with the original patch creators name and your name secondary as patch editor
Mar 23 01:11:18 <loopy> well then how would i go about doing this?
Mar 23 01:11:30 <zsoc> loopy: yes, it's called MIT License. It's very uh.. liberal, as licenses go. Basically, anyone can do whatever they like with it. We encourage it for patch inclusion so palm can have them if they are interested with no legal liability
Mar 23 01:11:52 <loopy> o ok
Mar 23 01:12:15 <loopy> +zsoc: well then how would i go about doing this?
Mar 23 01:12:45 <zsoc> as for where the patches exist, I'm not sure. I assume the originally submitted .patch file is out and about somewhere in the patch inclusion website
Mar 23 01:13:09 <zsoc> dBsooner: are original .patch'es submitted kept somewhere?
Mar 23 01:13:39 * zsoc gently roots mytether's server
Mar 23 01:13:47 <halfhalo_T400_> gently?
Mar 23 01:13:57 <zsoc> halfhalo_T400_: yeah, it's first time
Mar 23 01:13:58 <halfhalo_T400_> for using myt37h3r it should not be gently
Mar 23 01:14:00 <zsoc> haha
Mar 23 01:14:19 <zsoc> i wish i wasn't so lazy, i'd actually do it for lulz
Mar 23 01:14:42 <zsoc> or just for the uname -a (isn't that the whole purpose of rooting a server?)
Mar 23 01:17:34 <halfhalo_T400_> any subway samich+chipotle sauce=good
Mar 23 01:19:16 <zsoc> any subway sandwich = processed
Mar 23 01:19:23 <zsoc> clearly you live somewhere with no delis
Mar 23 01:19:33 <halfhalo_T400_> yup
Mar 23 01:19:38 <zsoc> ew, socal
Mar 23 01:19:43 <halfhalo_T400_> but I has barbacoa
Mar 23 01:19:46 <halfhalo_T400_> so im happy
Mar 23 01:19:50 <zsoc> at least quiznos, or something lol
Mar 23 01:20:00 <zsoc> but I agree, if you're going to subway, chipotle is the best
Mar 23 01:20:11 <Tibfib> quiznos > subway
Mar 23 01:20:36 <zsoc> loopy: the content of many patches can be found from the links available from http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse&webosver=1.4.0
Mar 23 01:21:35 <loopy> zsoc: and how would i go about editing it?
Mar 23 01:24:49 <halfhalo_T400_> I also have coke, which is better than pepsi
Mar 23 01:26:21 <zsoc> loopy: find the original .patch file and change it, then resubmit it?
Mar 23 01:26:34 <zsoc> loopy: or are you asking me how to code in javascript?
Mar 23 01:27:33 <loopy> zsoc: well all i want to change is the font color... so i'm good on that. what editor do i use?
Mar 23 01:27:51 * halfhalo_T400_ uses good ole notepad
Mar 23 01:27:57 <zsoc> loopy: any?
Mar 23 01:28:32 <loopy> i tried using notepad
Mar 23 01:28:44 <Tibfib> notepad++
Mar 23 01:28:49 <zsoc> use it harder
Mar 23 01:28:54 <loopy> and notepad ++
Mar 23 01:29:02 <Tibfib> then you did it wrong.. >.<
Mar 23 01:29:22 <loopy> but how do i implement the patch to see if it works?
Mar 23 01:29:26 <Tibfib> is it a .patch file?
Mar 23 01:30:09 <zsoc> loopy: use gnu patch
Mar 23 01:30:51 <loopy> alrighty
Mar 23 01:30:54 <loopy> ty all
Mar 23 01:40:12 <zsoc> Awesome HTML5 game for the 1% of the internet that hasn't played it yet. Stay with it for at least 45 seconds: http://wonderfl.net/code/d0dcc2f2d0f8012e42785ef71dab7da2abd5453d/fullscreen
Mar 23 01:41:05 <AnOutsider> bout to crash shortly, didnt manage to get the service running, even manually ran the postinst script
Mar 23 01:41:10 <AnOutsider> ill give it another go tomorrow
Mar 23 01:44:17 <AnOutsider> unless soemone else does it in the meantime heh
Mar 23 01:57:36 <EdLin> zsoc: that's not so awesome, I've seen stuff like that in pure javascript.
Mar 23 01:58:03 <zsoc> EdLin: The point is, when you get 100 or so seconds in, there are thousands of onscreen elements and no slowdown
Mar 23 01:58:10 <zsoc> it shows how ridiculous and pointless flash is
Mar 23 01:58:14 <EdLin> hmm, that is awesome.
Mar 23 01:58:34 <EdLin> except I can't play games worth a darn, so I don't see that. ;-)
Mar 23 01:58:40 <zsoc>  and i'm on a single core 1.7 ghz with 1.5mb ram
Mar 23 01:58:49 <zsoc> EdLin: it's not really about 'playing', just live for about a minute
Mar 23 01:59:18 <zsoc> EdLin: and note you can also reflect the pieces being broken off
Mar 23 02:00:24 <oil> "it shows how ridiculous and pointless flash is"
Mar 23 02:00:33 <oil> isn't that thing flash?
Mar 23 02:01:36 <zsoc> oil: no it's html5
Mar 23 02:01:44 <zsoc> JUST GET 30 SECONDS INTO IT
Mar 23 02:01:45 <zsoc> heh
Mar 23 02:02:35 <oil> then why when i right click does it say "about adobe flash player 10"?
Mar 23 02:03:41 <zsoc> oil: clearly you're doing it wrong
Mar 23 02:03:56 <zsoc> oil: I'm sorry, I become a really weird troll when I drink :( I'll go back into my cage
Mar 23 02:04:05 * zsoc sets the lock behind him
Mar 23 02:04:43 <EdLin> zsoc: is it really flash? They just started maintainance for an hour.
Mar 23 02:05:34 <zsoc> Sebastian: hello worker
Mar 23 02:05:36 <oil> its flash
Mar 23 02:05:43 <Sebastian> hello everone
Mar 23 02:05:46 <zsoc> EdLin: honestly i have no idea. but wonderfl is a flash website iirc
Mar 23 02:05:51 <zsoc> s/worker/wircer/
Mar 23 02:06:04 <Sebastian> what do you mean hello worker zsoc?
Mar 23 02:06:25 <zsoc> Sebastian: I mean wIRCer, as in someone who is using wirc :)
Mar 23 02:06:54 <Sebastian> ohhh hahahahaha
Mar 23 02:07:10 <Sebastian> yeah wirc is the best
Mar 23 02:07:23 <zsoc> literally the best
Mar 23 02:07:31 <zsoc> oil is a god
Mar 23 02:07:41 <Sebastian> I am eagerly waiting for the 800 mhz patch!
Mar 23 02:07:50 <oil> lool
Mar 23 02:08:09 <zsoc> Sebastian: it's good stuff, the biggest problem is it touches a lot of things that change constantly, so each update will involve a new patch
Mar 23 02:08:14 <zsoc> most likely
Mar 23 02:08:16 <Sebastian> anyone from webosinternals using it?
Mar 23 02:08:47 <Sebastian> yeah that's true. . .
Mar 23 02:09:02 <Sebastian> by the way how do I send messages the way you do?
Mar 23 02:09:05 <Sebastian> I meant with my name on it.
Mar 23 02:09:15 <Sebastian> just type the name and the colon?
Mar 23 02:09:31 <halfhalo_T400> si
Mar 23 02:09:49 <zsoc> Sebastian: Oh, on wIRC you just type the first 2 or 3 letters, then hold gesture and press "orange"
Mar 23 02:09:53 <zsoc> or "white" on pixi
Mar 23 02:10:05 <zsoc> the "option" button, if you will :p
Mar 23 02:10:17 <halfhalo_T400> although if your on the pixi you have bigger issues to deal with
Mar 23 02:10:18 <zsoc> it auto-completes the nick and adds the :
Mar 23 02:10:24 <Sebastian> awesome!. . .  did you code wirc or something?
Mar 23 02:10:25 <Tibfib> why not just a gesture tap?
Mar 23 02:10:46 <zsoc> Sebastian: No, PuffTheMagic did the service and oil did the front end gui, and maybe egaudet was poking around in there somewhere
Mar 23 02:11:03 <zsoc> Tibfib: because your fingers are already all over the keyboard, tapping seems odd
Mar 23 02:11:17 <oil> he did some service and gui
Mar 23 02:11:46 <Tibfib> zsoc: true, but you still have to do it with option key.
Mar 23 02:11:50 <Sebastian> this wirc is  indeed very nice
Mar 23 02:11:52 <zsoc> Honestly, the coolest part of wIRC imo is how well the triggers mimic messages
Mar 23 02:12:13 <Sebastian> and how well it handles notifications!
Mar 23 02:12:15 <zsoc> It's like "oh I got a text message"... "nope, someone pinged me on wirc"
Mar 23 02:12:16 <zsoc> AWESOME
Mar 23 02:12:38 <Sebastian> hahahhaahaha
Mar 23 02:12:41 <zsoc> first time that happened I peed myself with awesomeness
Mar 23 02:12:43 <Sebastian> I have another question
Mar 23 02:12:59 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i did gui too
Mar 23 02:13:00 <zsoc> don't we all
Mar 23 02:13:03 <Sebastian> somewebsites have irc based chat things
Mar 23 02:13:08 <Sebastian> for example www.terra.com
Mar 23 02:13:08 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: Yes of course you did
Mar 23 02:13:12 * zsoc pats PuffTheMagic on the head
Mar 23 02:13:18 <oil> lol
Mar 23 02:13:20 <Sebastian> how can I join those chats from wirc?
Mar 23 02:13:21 <PuffTheMagic> lower please
Mar 23 02:13:30 * zsoc pats PuffTheMagic lower than his head
Mar 23 02:13:34 <zsoc> This explains the tight pants
Mar 23 02:13:56 <PuffTheMagic> you can end that thought right there
Mar 23 02:13:58 <zsoc> Sebastian: assuming those IRC servers are available from any irc client, you can add them as a new server
Mar 23 02:14:16 <Sebastian> and if they are not?
Mar 23 02:14:24 <zsoc> Sebastian: for instance, if the server is irc.terra.com:6667, you can add it as a new setting. you just need the server info and the port
Mar 23 02:14:39 <zsoc> Sebastian: I'd be surprised if it isn't... but i suppose it's possible for something to be webchat-only
Mar 23 02:14:50 <Sebastian> I wish I had my computer to check it out
Mar 23 02:14:54 <zsoc> I mean, it might be a non IRC based chat
Mar 23 02:14:58 <zsoc> I'll look for you
Mar 23 02:15:10 <zsoc> crap, I don't speak portugueses
Mar 23 02:15:18 <zsoc> er, spanish
Mar 23 02:15:42 <zsoc> mi espanol en malo :(
Mar 23 02:15:47 <Sebastian> damn hahhaha
Mar 23 02:16:00 <Sebastian> how about
Mar 23 02:16:01 <zsoc> comunidad->chat?
Mar 23 02:16:02 <Sebastian> www.latinchat.com
Mar 23 02:16:13 <Sebastian> there is an english version
Mar 23 02:16:25 <zsoc> ENTRAR!!!
Mar 23 02:16:36 <zsoc> ah, yes, that is a non-IRC webchat
Mar 23 02:16:39 <Sebastian> entrar!
Mar 23 02:16:57 <zsoc> Sebastian: there are many latin-based webchats tho. DALnet in particular I know has many spanish and portugese based channels
Mar 23 02:17:27 <zsoc>  LOL this guy's nick is "big pene cam"
Mar 23 02:17:33 <zsoc> i shall not be surprised
Mar 23 02:17:47 <Sebastian> do you know of any good irc based chat. . .  ? it can be in spanish/portugues/japanese/english
Mar 23 02:17:55 <Sebastian> hahahahahahahahah
Mar 23 02:18:55 <zsoc> Sebastian: 日本語を話しますか？
Mar 23 02:19:07 <Sebastian> a little bit
Mar 23 02:19:29 <zsoc> I like how the rest of the world knows many languages. It upsets me that American's are too arrogant to care.
Mar 23 02:19:54 <halfhalo_T400> damn straihgt
Mar 23 02:19:57 <Tibfib> or too stupid to learn them >.<
Mar 23 02:20:03 <zsoc> I also hate when people push their personal agendas in this channel inappropriately, like me.
Mar 23 02:20:05 * halfhalo_T400 as dog on him
Mar 23 02:20:12 <Sebastian> うん。日本語分ますよ
Mar 23 02:20:46 <zsoc> Where's Lisa? lol... "Two languages in one brain? NO ONE CAN THINK AT THAT SPEED!"
Mar 23 02:20:54 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Mar 23 02:20:56 <zsoc> Sebastian: ^_^
Mar 23 02:21:35 <Sebastian> hahahahah
Mar 23 02:22:03 <Sebastian> I think americans are not at fault
Mar 23 02:22:29 <Sebastian> the problem is they never had to leave their home country
Mar 23 02:22:43 <Sebastian> and everything they could need is available here
Mar 23 02:22:49 <halfhalo_T400> yup
Mar 23 02:23:13 <zsoc> Sebastian: that is a very fair viewpoint, but trust me.. i live here :P I would say 15-20 percent of american's are worth being part of society
Mar 23 02:23:24 <zsoc> and that is generous
Mar 23 02:23:34 <Sebastian> hahahaha
Mar 23 02:23:35 <halfhalo_T400> the rest are crap drivers
Mar 23 02:24:06 <Sebastian> zsoc: you should at least include urself. . .  hahaha
Mar 23 02:24:25 <Sebastian> I live in the usa too :-D
Mar 23 02:24:27 <zsoc> Sebastian: so it seems you are in america also on Sprint, for work maybe? :)
Mar 23 02:24:36 <zsoc> Yes I just put that together lol.
Mar 23 02:24:44 <Sebastian> not really
Mar 23 02:24:54 <zsoc> yeah, not much work around at the moment :)
Mar 23 02:24:56 <Sebastian> well yeah work and school
Mar 23 02:25:06 <zsoc> you type pretty fast for a wircer, I like :D
Mar 23 02:25:13 * halfhalo_T400 has secure job
Mar 23 02:25:48 <zsoc> halfhalo_T400: make sure you never cross train anyone. and set things up that render an entire infrastructure useless if you ever leave.
Mar 23 02:26:04 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Mar 23 02:26:16 <Sebastian> hahaahahahahaha
Mar 23 02:26:19 <halfhalo_T400> im just a lowly student assistant
Mar 23 02:26:45 <halfhalo_T400> with a dog on laptop
Mar 23 02:26:49 <Sebastian> I think I type faster on my pre than I did on my old moto q.
Mar 23 02:26:50 <zsoc> heh, i do a ridiculous menial and humble job, that's why I need to be a super jerk on IRC so feel good about myself
Mar 23 02:27:06 <zsoc> Sebastian: you had a moto q? oh man.. i feel bad for you :(
Mar 23 02:27:14 <halfhalo_T400> i do webdev
Mar 23 02:27:27 <Sebastian> on the eyes of everyone I have the worst job ever. . . but I actually like what I do
Mar 23 02:27:36 <halfhalo_T400> which is?
Mar 23 02:27:47 * Tibfib bets janitor
Mar 23 02:27:50 <zsoc>  my brother washes windows, he loves it. works 25 hours a week, makes enough to live, and enjoys life.
Mar 23 02:28:02 * Tibfib wants to be a janitor
Mar 23 02:28:07 <Sebastian> the moto wasn't bad for what I used it. .  texting hahahahaha. . . . . .  but it was a very fragile phone. . . .
Mar 23 02:28:17 <halfhalo_T400> I had a voyager
Mar 23 02:28:26 <halfhalo_T400> 15 bucks for tethering? yes please
Mar 23 02:28:38 <Sebastian> it would fall a few times and although no physical damage was present something internall would mess up and after every fall it would turn off
Mar 23 02:29:42 <Sebastian> my pre is mising mostle of the right side of the screen. .   has no  power button. . . no usb cover and is missing, as I said earlier almost half of the entire side.  and the volume thing is hard to press
Mar 23 02:29:43 <zsoc> sounds right lol
Mar 23 02:29:54 <zsoc> ouch :(
Mar 23 02:30:01 <Sebastian> but it still takes falls like a champ. . .  rarely turns off, if ever.
Mar 23 02:30:14 <zsoc> nice :)
Mar 23 02:30:37 <zsoc> most dislike the build quality of the Pre
Mar 23 02:31:08 <Sebastian> I actually like it jejejeje
Mar 23 02:31:19 <Sebastian> and by the way I am a manager at mcdonalds :-D
Mar 23 02:31:36 <zsoc> Sebastian: oh that's awesome :) i'm going to come to your shop lol
Mar 23 02:32:03 <zsoc> Sebastian: I like it too. Aside from the first serious that had an issue with cracking and volume button problems, the newer ones are well built in my opinion jajajaja
Mar 23 02:32:39 <Sebastian> I mean they are not perfect phones but they have good durability
Mar 23 02:33:02 <zsoc> it's a first generation device :) webOS is said to be a 10 year project... we have plently of room :D
Mar 23 02:33:57 <zsoc> The only thing I really miss is a customizable home screen, to be blunt. Every time I hold a good android phone I am reminded :(
Mar 23 02:34:06 <Sebastian> to be honest
Mar 23 02:34:20 <halfhalo_T400> My thinking on the home screen is why not have app widgets
Mar 23 02:34:47 <halfhalo_T400> sorta like notifications but permament on screen
Mar 23 02:34:58 <zsoc> it's extremely possible, it's just 'something else'... palm already has a lot on their plate
Mar 23 02:35:05 <Sebastian> just download the program  my home screen
Mar 23 02:35:13 <Sebastian> isn't that good enough?
Mar 23 02:35:18 <zsoc> Sebastian: yeah but that's just an app :p I want something native
Mar 23 02:35:46 <zsoc> Sebastian: as a developer, I have an altered viewpoint from what I know is possible :)
Mar 23 02:36:05 <halfhalo_T400> I want the home screen to act like a card if more than one other app is open, but not be a card if its the only one
Mar 23 02:36:12 <Sebastian> that's true
Mar 23 02:36:18 <zsoc> interesting
Mar 23 02:36:31 <halfhalo_T400> and have simple mojo widgets that the user can move around on the homescreen
Mar 23 02:36:42 <zsoc> Honestly, universal search works well enough I'm ok without a 'home screen'
Mar 23 02:36:46 <halfhalo_T400> sorta like themed notificatin
Mar 23 02:36:54 <zsoc> yeah, themed notification.
Mar 23 02:36:55 <halfhalo_T400> notifications*
Mar 23 02:37:04 <zsoc> I like the idea of Moto Blur
Mar 23 02:37:22 <zsoc> bubbles, areas of customizations etc
Mar 23 02:37:32 <halfhalo_T400> yeah
Mar 23 02:37:40 <halfhalo_T400> I also like my idea for hiding notifications
Mar 23 02:38:11 <halfhalo_T400> basically, have an option in launcher to hide notifications if an app is active, while they appear in card view, etc
Mar 23 02:39:00 <zsoc> There needs to be a way to mark a chat thread as 'read' if the message is short enough to not be truncated in the notification area.
Mar 23 02:39:28 <zsoc> If someone says "Ok." I don't want to have to click it and wait for the messaging app to open to get the '(1)' new message icon to disappear
Mar 23 02:40:06 <Tibfib> halfhalo_T400: I agreed with you on the forum :)
Mar 23 02:40:13 <zsoc> Ok, I'm starting to rant. I should go.
Mar 23 02:40:37 <halfhalo_T400> brb
Mar 23 02:52:33 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: get anywhere with saverestore?
Mar 23 02:52:51 * rwhitby bbiab
Mar 23 02:53:12 <AnOutsider> lol
Mar 23 02:53:14 <AnOutsider> I didn't
Mar 23 02:53:34 <AnOutsider> It would say it's started, yet the app wouldn't be able to call the service
Mar 23 02:53:56 <AnOutsider> http://pastie.org/882129
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