**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010 Mar 23 03:32:10 .. Mar 23 03:49:58 cash rules everything around me Mar 23 03:50:05 so did the gps trick Mar 23 03:50:06 and wow Mar 23 03:50:13 acquistion times are much improved Mar 23 03:52:24 ... Mar 23 04:11:41 I havn't been able to find one, but has anyone else seen a patch that adds preferences to the dialer and modifies the dialer to use google voice? Mar 23 04:12:54 I think I might try to make such a thing Mar 23 04:15:31 basically something that takes this http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193180-google-voice-hack-2.html and polishes it a little Mar 23 04:49:53 Script to save SMS and IM messages: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.palm.app.messaging Mar 23 04:50:51 i like the restore message :) Mar 23 04:51:12 nice Mar 23 05:22:22 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/Cheli/Cheli_full_rack?full=1 Mar 23 05:22:58 nas-admin.org/cheli.nas is the physical machine on which the preware.org autobuilder is hosted. Mar 23 05:23:10 Shiny Mar 23 05:23:22 I don't get to work with actual servers at my jon Mar 23 05:23:23 job Mar 23 05:23:34 Their all hosted on a campus wide cloud server Mar 23 05:24:14 penguincomputing? Mar 23 05:24:20 That said, Its great because I can unplug a physical host and not take it down Mar 23 05:24:56 we also get shiny new hardware to play with, like pico projectors Mar 23 05:40:03 is there a reference for the webos filesystem layout? Mar 23 05:40:26 what do you mean reference? Mar 23 05:40:47 as in a list of where things are by default? Mar 23 05:40:49 benklop_: OpenEmbedded Mar 23 05:41:22 going there now Mar 23 05:41:49 i'm actually talking about the webos specific stuff Mar 23 05:41:58 look in the doctor Mar 23 05:42:00 where do user added applications go? Mar 23 05:58:14 benklop_: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Mar 23 05:59:44 benklop_: when do you think QtEmu will be able to run the webOS Emulator ? Mar 23 06:01:01 rwhitby: now that I have a Pre, i have some motivation to make it do exactly that.. Mar 23 06:02:02 I can't imagine hacking it up to do it would be too hard, Mar 23 06:02:23 but it will be a little more complicated to make it do it and not be hackish Mar 23 06:03:03 rwhitby: does this mean someone other than me actually uses it? Mar 23 06:03:54 benklop_: nope, I'm using VirtualBox Mar 23 06:05:13 rwhitby: heh, okay Mar 23 06:05:20 benklop_: what sort of things are you looking to do first with the Pre? Mar 23 06:06:01 i'm adding the ability for the dialler to dial through google voice. Mar 23 06:06:19 totally transparently Mar 23 06:06:25 with ooptions in the preferences dialog Mar 23 06:06:29 to turn it on and off Mar 23 06:06:29 as a patch? Mar 23 06:06:44 well i hope to turn it into a patch Mar 23 06:06:56 nice. now if only google voice was available outside of the US ... Mar 23 06:07:00 at the moment i'm just backnig up files and playing with my actual device Mar 23 06:07:29 i honestly am not totally sure what the best way to do this is Mar 23 06:07:50 i cant seem to get network access to the sdk virtualbox device Mar 23 06:08:32 benklop_: the most complete backup is to bootie ram boot the installer initramfs, and then dd and netcat the flash before lvm is starteda Mar 23 06:09:03 benklop_: oh, add a second host-only vboxnet0 interface, and use that for host<->guest communication on 192.168.56.x Mar 23 06:09:46 oh, excellent. thanks! now i can try to do this without fear Mar 23 06:10:22 it should come up as 192.168.56.100 Mar 23 06:13:09 hmm. so how exactly to I make virtualbox let me add another interface? Mar 23 06:13:45 cant say i've used it recently.. Mar 23 06:14:00 stop the machine, device settings, network **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 11:58:15 2010 Mar 23 11:59:25 hi all Mar 23 12:00:28 hi jaycanuck Mar 23 12:00:34 and rwhitby Mar 23 12:00:46 hi rod Mar 23 12:01:35 swiss openexpo ist tomorrow .. yay Mar 23 12:01:46 adora send me 18 books Mar 23 12:01:57 and a bunch of stickers Mar 23 12:02:09 swisstomcat: cool Mar 23 12:02:14 rwhitby: ups, is that one yours too? Mar 23 12:02:46 i'll try to be online and report live :) Mar 23 12:02:50 hape: it's on the same physical machine as webos-internals.org, preware.org, nas-central.org, openembedded.org, openwiz.org, ... Mar 23 12:03:21 okay Mar 23 12:03:44 maybe i can do some live programming on saverestore too Mar 23 12:13:10 morning all Mar 23 12:14:02 morning Mar 23 12:15:22 AnOutsider_: how'd you go with getting the service running? Mar 23 12:15:36 I didn't Mar 23 12:15:48 I left a pastie last night of what was happening and went to bed ;) Mar 23 12:16:02 @ the office now, so I'm gonna pull the files down here and try again shortly Mar 23 12:16:13 fresh emulator, so if there's something diff I should try, let me know Mar 23 12:18:20 AnOutsider_: be aware that both you and swisstomcat are working on it at the same time Mar 23 12:19:07 working on the gui you mean? Mar 23 12:19:16 oh, so go ahead swiss, I was just ging to do the code since no one else wanted to Mar 23 12:19:19 yeah Mar 23 12:19:33 i'm not working on it at the moment Mar 23 12:19:40 maybe tomorrow Mar 23 12:19:55 windows needs a reboot, brb Mar 23 12:19:55 maybe we should coordinate our effort? Mar 23 12:20:03 linux doesn't need reboots :) Mar 23 12:21:25 un Mar 23 12:21:29 less youre loading an ew kernel Mar 23 12:21:30 well, only sometimes for updates ;) Mar 23 12:21:59 i wish ic ould find a channel for help with traktor Mar 23 12:22:42 #farmville? ;) Mar 23 12:24:21 back Mar 23 12:26:18 should we coordinate our efforts since you wanted to work on the gui as well? Mar 23 12:26:42 traktor by NI ;p Mar 23 12:28:10 swisstomcat: there is now a saverestore script for saving SMS and IM messages Mar 23 12:28:40 yeah, i saw that commited Mar 23 12:28:49 being commited Mar 23 12:29:27 something i could use because i doctor my device quite a bit lately :) Mar 23 12:29:44 @swiss: nope, you're not doing me any emotional damage :) Mar 23 12:29:46 swisstomcat: so, to start with, all we really need is a full list under each of save and restore, with toggles and a go button. Mar 23 12:30:06 alll yours, was just offering to help out since last night it didn't seem like anyone was going to do the UI Mar 23 12:30:15 swisstomcat: we can get fancy about the filtering later Mar 23 12:30:33 yep, i agree Mar 23 12:30:48 just need to figure out the service interfacing .. although it looks easy Mar 23 12:31:00 so I'm now going to bed, and dreaming of someone creating that while I sleep ;) Mar 23 12:31:07 anoutsider: i don't mind help Mar 23 12:31:21 g'night and dream well :) Mar 23 12:32:17 swisstomcat: I also updated the service to use the new /var/palm/event.d and /var/palm/system-services directories on 1.4, which don't need the remount,ro for installing services as part of an application Mar 23 12:32:46 swisstomcat: in essence, saverestore is the guinea pig for all the things that will happen to Preware Mar 23 12:32:47 @swiss, well I couldn't get the service srunning in the emu Mar 23 12:33:15 AnOutsider_: did you try luna-send ing to it? Mar 23 12:33:31 (i.e. was the service not running, or was it just not reachable from mojo?) Mar 23 12:33:58 I can try that too Mar 23 12:34:49 i installed the service last night but didn't get around to test it Mar 23 12:34:53 so I basically go into preware/build.git/testing/saverestore on ubuntu karmic, hit "make package", and then palm-install the resulting i686 ipkg to the emulator Mar 23 12:35:40 ~testing Mar 23 12:35:41 [testing] done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere Mar 23 12:35:42 or you could just palm-install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/i686/org.webosinternals.saverestore_0.1.6_i686.ipk Mar 23 12:35:49 ~testing-feed Mar 23 12:35:50 i heard testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Mar 23 12:35:54 :) Mar 23 12:36:17 told you i'm an apprentice Mar 23 12:36:42 gonna try the palm install method Mar 23 12:36:58 anoutsider: i'll try to install it right now Mar 23 12:38:51 how do i luna-send something to it? Mar 23 12:40:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Mar 23 12:40:37 just ssh into the emu Mar 23 12:41:06 yeah, just found that Mar 23 12:41:34 isn't there a version method on that service? Mar 23 12:41:43 luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.saverestore/version {} Mar 23 12:41:43 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Method \"version\" with signature \"s\" on interface \"org.json\" doesn't exist\n"} Mar 23 12:42:43 luna-send -n 1 "palm://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list" {} Mar 23 12:42:48 I didnt see one yesterday Mar 23 12:42:55 jsut list, save, restore and status I think Mar 23 12:43:29 luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.saverestore '{}' Mar 23 12:43:49 i thought you went to bed? Mar 23 12:43:53 luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list '{}' Mar 23 12:43:58 tat actually doesn't work Mar 23 12:44:05 luna-send -n 1 "palm://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list" {} Mar 23 12:44:06 that did tho Mar 23 12:44:18 this works for me: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list '{}' Mar 23 12:44:46 palm: or luna: doesn't matter Mar 23 12:44:52 yeah, that works here too Mar 23 12:45:53 ok, now you are both enabled with the service, I can go to bed. Mar 23 12:46:07 yep, we're good to go Mar 23 12:46:19 thanks Mar 23 12:46:35 and app/models/SaveRestoreService.js should have the right params Mar 23 12:47:06 aye Mar 23 12:47:11 @swiss, heh, now komodo won't recognize the emu. oi Mar 23 12:47:42 ouch Mar 23 12:47:42 * rwhitby bbt Mar 23 12:47:49 what did you do? Mar 23 12:48:26 nothing at all. once I got the service working, i booted up komodo edit, tried to launch the project, no dice Mar 23 12:48:44 updated templarian's plugin thinking maybe that was it, still no dice. Gonna try updating the emulator Mar 23 12:49:19 and on the command line? Mar 23 12:49:40 it's not recognizing any palm-* commands Mar 23 12:49:46 error? Mar 23 12:49:47 whch is why I suspect the SDK Mar 23 12:54:19 maybe the PATH is wrong or not set? Mar 23 12:56:29 yeah, had to remove some stuff I added for Titanium Mar 23 12:58:16 working now? Mar 23 13:00:26 yep Mar 23 13:00:48 luna-send too? Mar 23 13:01:27 luna-send always worked for me Mar 23 13:01:36 just not the command line rod pastd Mar 23 13:01:44 what error do you get? Mar 23 13:02:05 I'm no longer in SSH to pull it Mar 23 13:02:13 but hitting the service wasnt a prob Mar 23 13:03:20 do you want to work on the gui ... i wont have any time before tonight (if even) Mar 23 13:04:43 I can get soem time in today. I'll pop in later on and we can compare notes Mar 23 13:05:22 allright Mar 23 13:05:41 another cat! meeeooowww Mar 23 13:06:09 * nt4cats spits up a hairball Mar 23 13:07:43 haha Mar 23 13:07:53 * AnOutsider_ doesn't want to be in the middle of a catfight Mar 23 13:09:25 * swisstomcat purrs Mar 23 13:09:55 * nt4cats looks about with calculated indifference, then flops down for a nap. Mar 23 13:10:26 cats ARE bitchy like that, aren't they Mar 23 13:10:57 AnOutsider_: I have three of the little hairy bastards in my house -- wouldn't want it any other way. Mar 23 13:11:18 we have just one Mar 23 13:11:31 unless it brings a friend Mar 23 13:11:56 haha Mar 23 13:12:08 I did away with cats ages ago, smelly attitudey bastids they are Mar 23 13:13:20 AFK? Mar 23 13:15:17 I agree with Samuel Clemens (a.k.a. Mark Twain) regarding cats ... "If a man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." Mar 23 13:15:55 haha Mar 23 13:16:04 and AFK because I put my away message up Mar 23 13:17:36 aha, AFK=away from keyboard Mar 23 13:19:12 indeed, that way no one IMs me Mar 23 13:19:34 I mainly put it up for AIM, MSN, GTALK etc, but IRC is set to change nick to AFK when I do go "away" Mar 23 13:22:05 NSY Mar 23 13:22:19 ok, I'll bite Mar 23 13:25:04 i prefer for people to think i'm ignoring them when i go afk, it increases my reputation :) Mar 23 13:25:17 "NSY Mar 23 13:25:24 "NSY" == "Naturists Search Yahoo!" Mar 23 13:25:27 NSY=not seen yet Mar 23 13:25:30 hehe Mar 23 13:55:36 i can see you Mar 23 13:56:00 I think I may have found the reason why luna crashes after 1.4... As well as a fix Mar 23 13:57:27 TheInvsbleManpre: spill the details, please. Mar 23 13:58:40 I ran webOS repair utility and I have not had a single luna crash since. I noticed repair utility replaced a lot of missing image files such as random wifi icons and such (im guessing due to theming) my guess is these crashes are being caused by the Pre trying to load these missing image files and timing out because it cannot do so, since it thinks it's frozen it reboots luna. Mar 23 13:59:50 I don't know if my theory is correct but I can tell you that webOS repair utility fixed it. Mar 23 14:04:22 nt4cats: were you having the luna crash issue as well? Mar 23 14:06:40 i havent used any themes Mar 23 14:06:45 and it crashes for me Mar 23 14:07:19 so i think ur theory is wrong :p Mar 23 14:09:31 yeah, same here ... no themes and random luna crashes Mar 23 14:10:11 Hmm well ok then. In any case. WebOS repair utility fixed it for me. You may want to try it Mar 23 14:10:25 hrm, i have no themes, and no crashes. i guess i'm lucky Mar 23 14:10:45 I didn't even turn on the override so I was able to keep all of my patches. Mar 23 14:12:25 are you sure you are on 1.4, mikewx :) Mar 23 14:12:42 pretty sure, i lostthe ability to tether :) Mar 23 14:12:46 The links to the doctors in the toolcain are broken. I'm downloading and renaming the V1.4 version riight now. But it should be fixed by someone Mar 23 14:12:52 i had many luna crashes Mar 23 14:13:35 Mine used to crash like every 10 minutes Mar 23 14:14:07 rwhitby: did you get the flyer from SCALE expo, so we can use it here at the OpenExpo in switzerland? Mar 23 14:14:18 he's asleep Mar 23 14:14:28 ~seen rwhitby Mar 23 14:14:29 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 337 messages. Is idling for 1h 27m 54s, last said: 'and app/models/SaveRestoreService.js should have the right params'. Mar 23 14:15:10 anyone here that was at SCALE? Mar 23 14:31:47 hey zsoc Mar 23 14:32:09 yo Mar 23 14:32:12 watup Mar 23 14:32:34 i'm looking for someone that was at SCALE Mar 23 14:32:49 I've had a handful of luna crashes -- each time on 'wake up' from power-save mode. Not too many, but enough to be annoying. Mar 23 14:33:01 same here nt4cats Mar 23 14:33:13 swisstomcat: jacques and mousey Mar 23 14:33:23 ~seen mousey Mar 23 14:33:25 mousey <~wtfisme@sea02-v600-nat.marchex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4d 20h 19m 26s ago, saying: 'i know zip and zlib are both available'. Mar 23 14:33:29 ~seen jacques Mar 23 14:33:30 jacques <~6217fec1@nslu2-linux/jacques> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 14h 23m 46s ago, saying: 'bbl'. Mar 23 14:33:59 thanks, i'll wait for jacques Mar 23 15:04:10 I try ti install the widk and running on an error Mar 23 15:04:22 can someone have a look => http://pastebin.com/t4bC7dLY Mar 23 15:04:38 host-os? Mar 23 15:04:48 I have no idea. I took the 1.4 webdoctor jars as the 1.3.5 is not avalable anymore Mar 23 15:04:56 ubutu 10.4 Mar 23 15:05:34 ubutu 10.9 Mar 23 15:06:03 9.10? Mar 23 15:06:07 I followes the steps from the wiki and doning 'make stange' right now when the error happens Mar 23 15:06:16 swisstomcat: yes, sorry Mar 23 15:09:23 32bit? Mar 23 15:12:47 yes Mar 23 15:12:50 hape: someone may have forgot a dep. I can't look at it right now. is there a libpng folder or similar in /packages ? Mar 23 15:13:54 hape: nevermind, I see there is. cd to packages/libpng12 and 'make stage' Mar 23 15:14:48 zsoc_wirc: yes it is there Mar 23 15:15:30 although I see evas has it as a dep, odd Mar 23 15:16:21 like I said, try manually moving to that folder and make stage Mar 23 15:17:13 dtzWill: pidgin ready for testing? :D Mar 23 15:18:43 zsoc_wirc: that is the result => http://pastebin.com/FSEM0iHf Mar 23 15:21:23 hape: go back to the main folder now and try make stage again Mar 23 15:24:12 zsoc_wirc: same result :-( Mar 23 15:25:11 hape: you could just move that package folder to nonworking/ until someone else can test it Mar 23 15:25:35 that way it will skip it on make stage Mar 23 15:26:27 you mean the libpng12 package? Mar 23 15:28:37 hape: no, whatever was missing it. maybe evas? I didn't get a good look at it I'm on my pre :p Mar 23 15:29:23 yes ist was evas Mar 23 15:31:38 unless you need it for some reason, just move it for now Mar 23 15:32:26 zsoc_wirc: when I ermove the evas package the make stage still try to enter the evas folder and stops with an error as it diden't exist Mar 23 15:34:57 hape: nono move the whole folder Mar 23 15:35:23 hape: if you go into the folder and 'make clean' it will get rid of everything but the makefile anyway Mar 23 15:35:40 hell just delete it, you can always checkout again if you need to Mar 23 15:35:45 That si what i ded . I do not have a evas folder in the packages fodler right now Mar 23 15:36:23 looks like the make stage created alist somewhere what folders was there and is reusibng that right now Mar 23 15:36:28 oh something else probably has it as a dependecy Mar 23 15:37:20 hape: I mean, your toolchain is probably built fine. you may not even need the rest of those packages at Mar 23 15:40:05 ok, will give the test Doom a try Mar 23 15:41:46 good morning everyone Mar 23 15:41:52 mornin Mar 23 15:41:56 doom compiles fine ;-) Mar 23 15:42:28 morning Mar 23 15:43:22 i'm trying to add a setting to the preferences dialog in the dialer app. I got it showing up just fine, but it's less than obvious how settings are saved and retrieved. is there tutorial or something I can examine? Mar 23 15:45:45 where does it save the data? Mar 23 15:45:46 cookies? Mar 23 15:46:35 zsoc_wirc: Thanks Mar 23 15:46:49 np Mar 23 16:09:29 and the palm assassination attempts continue Mar 23 16:09:30 is there a way to change sms notification without installing preware? Mar 23 16:11:02 I really think evil entities are trying to soften them up to buy their patent portfolio Mar 23 16:14:06 jacques: I agree. Mar 23 16:14:18 jacques: the android thing is just laughable Mar 23 16:14:31 besides, bono has too much money for palm to fail Mar 23 16:59:11 zsoc_wirc: yo Mar 23 16:59:25 yessir? Mar 23 16:59:31 ugh Mar 23 16:59:57 zsoc_wirc: u should see how sexy yason ( a lisp json lib) is Mar 23 17:00:28 so easy to go from lists and hashmaps to a json string Mar 23 17:00:30 and back from json string to lists and hashmaps Mar 23 17:00:52 Yason, nbj. Mar 23 17:00:55 i really need to get ecls working on arm Mar 23 17:01:03 so that i can get lisp services going Mar 23 17:01:24 services would be so easy to write Mar 23 17:02:56 PuffTheMagic: sounds fun.f Mar 23 17:03:42 * PuffTheMagic 's sarcasm detector just went off Mar 23 17:04:52 warning: non-male channel visitor detected Mar 23 17:05:23 penises, that is all Mar 23 17:05:44 Someone crashed the sausagefest Mar 23 17:07:50 * lemketron wonders why people would want to run qtemu instead of virtualbox Mar 23 17:09:03 (especially if it's just a wrapper around qemu, which is WAY slower than VirtualBox for x86 virtualization, or was this time last year anyway) Mar 23 17:09:14 thats easy answer Mar 23 17:09:39 virtualbox kernel modules are usually way behind the kernel that people are using Mar 23 17:09:49 huh. Mar 23 17:09:50 where as kvm is always up to date Mar 23 17:10:10 lets say i am running 2.6.33_rc* on my system Mar 23 17:10:13 virtualbox kernel modules build locally when installed. Mar 23 17:10:21 are you saying they aren't compatible with "newer" kernels? Mar 23 17:10:22 latest vbox modules are typically not out for rc kernels Mar 23 17:10:30 PuffTheMagic: hey you know things. explain to me RT kernels Mar 23 17:10:31 so vbox wont run Mar 23 17:10:42 but qemu would Mar 23 17:10:42 so you're running bleeding edge kernels, then? Mar 23 17:10:51 yup Mar 23 17:10:54 have you used qemu before for x86 ? Mar 23 17:11:01 yeah Mar 23 17:11:08 zsoc_wirc: what do u want to know Mar 23 17:11:25 The reason the OE machine type for webOS is called "qemux86" is because we were using that before we switched to VirtualBox because it smoked qemu in performance. Mar 23 17:11:29 PuffTheMagic: why do they exist and what is the conceptual differences Mar 23 17:11:45 lemketron: yeah vbox is def faster Mar 23 17:11:56 lemketron: i was just giving you probably the biggest reason for not using vbox Mar 23 17:11:59 well, that and the fact that it gets updated regularly with nice installers for Mac, Windows, and Linux, which probably doesn't matter to you. Mar 23 17:12:12 lemketron: i use vbox Mar 23 17:12:19 qemu on the Mac seems to have died, and building on windows was painful Mar 23 17:12:28 puff: which kernel are you using? Mar 23 17:12:33 nt4cats: my kernel Mar 23 17:12:37 zen-sources :D Mar 23 17:12:50 my old kernel... i dont maintain it any more Mar 23 17:12:59 but people still do Mar 23 17:13:10 zsoc_wirc: so RT kernels Mar 23 17:13:22 zsoc_wirc: have a different scheduler Mar 23 17:13:29 with realtime preemption Mar 23 17:13:37 I have 2.6.32.9-70 (not terribly old) + vbox (not RT) Mar 23 17:13:47 zsoc_wirc: which requires lots of changes all over the kernel Mar 23 17:13:50 to work properly Mar 23 17:14:00 which is why its like 6 kernel version old all the time Mar 23 17:14:04 and why it will never be in mainline Mar 23 17:14:05 I see. shouldn't it in theory be faster? Mar 23 17:14:09 no Mar 23 17:14:11 its not faster at all Mar 23 17:14:19 so then it's used for... Mar 23 17:14:25 low latency stuff Mar 23 17:14:32 like if u need perfect signaling Mar 23 17:14:34 doing DSP shit Mar 23 17:14:35 embedded? Mar 23 17:14:38 I see Mar 23 17:14:38 ehhh Mar 23 17:14:45 not really needed embedded Mar 23 17:14:53 unless need real time for some reason Mar 23 17:15:17 the preemption in the kernel is good enough for 99.9% of people Mar 23 17:15:23 for low latency Mar 23 17:15:27 PuffTheMagic: in other news, still can't figure out where the pops are coming from. and I can't get the queue to be leaky downstream Mar 23 17:15:44 morning Mar 23 17:16:13 zsoc_wirc: well if u have low latency (smaller time slices) then u get more context switches (which decreases throughput) so RT is a trade off for performance in IO terms usually Mar 23 17:16:19 chrisa: hello joe Mar 23 17:16:36 zsoc_wirc: u getting popping from pulse right? Mar 23 17:16:38 not from alsa Mar 23 17:16:47 PuffTheMagic: er.. both actually Mar 23 17:16:53 on the pre? Mar 23 17:16:57 yep Mar 23 17:17:02 what are u doing? Mar 23 17:17:13 recording audio? Mar 23 17:17:17 oh Mar 23 17:17:17 so Mar 23 17:17:24 I don't have the pipeline right in front of me atm Mar 23 17:17:25 u cant record in realtime huh Mar 23 17:17:37 reduce the hz down to 8000 or 21000 or something Mar 23 17:17:46 I need to play with devices. I think using a pulse .monitor is the best option Mar 23 17:18:53 zsoc_wirc: if u are not using a reduce sampling for the mic then that is probably your issue Mar 23 17:20:17 I used 44100 Mar 23 17:20:22 yeah sicko Mar 23 17:20:24 u cant do that Mar 23 17:20:25 :D Mar 23 17:20:30 which is what mediaserver uses for video Mar 23 17:20:41 really? Mar 23 17:20:42 they get away with it with pushing leaks downstream Mar 23 17:20:57 I can't get that to work right, even when I tell it to it doesnt Mar 23 17:21:01 just reduce it Mar 23 17:21:06 the mic isnt even that good Mar 23 17:21:30 although I'm using gst-launch, you mat only be able to use that property in an app Mar 23 17:21:31 that's a good point Mar 23 17:21:31 I'll try 12050 Mar 23 17:47:32 (make-json-rpc-request "status" (list "a" "b") 1234) Mar 23 17:47:32 "{\"id\":1234,\"params\":[\"a\",\"b\"],\"method\":\"status\"}" Mar 23 17:47:42 ;D Mar 23 17:48:11 ping jaques Mar 23 17:59:21 with the roam only toggle app/icon, should I be able to roam on evdo? or only 1x? Mar 23 17:59:48 swisstomcat: hi Mar 23 18:00:08 I assume you were pinging me Mar 23 18:00:12 yeah Mar 23 18:00:22 do you still have the flyer from SCALE? Mar 23 18:00:35 we are creating one for tomorrow's openexpo Mar 23 18:01:36 I'm not sure I ever had the electronic version - it was written by Rick_work, sent to ka6sox and printed by some friends at SCALE - I just handed them out Mar 23 18:01:53 what did it have on it? Mar 23 18:02:07 ping rick_work Mar 23 18:03:28 information about what webos-internals does, and resources for further information - wiki, irc Mar 23 18:04:31 so far we have irc and web (wiki) on it Mar 23 18:04:45 but also thinking of local contact adresses here in switzerland Mar 23 18:05:58 so what we should alsoadd to the flyer? Mar 23 18:06:13 our email? Mar 23 18:06:22 our names and irc names?so if they get here, then they know us? Mar 23 18:06:48 swiss contact: our e-mails, names, irc-nicks Mar 23 18:06:56 i think as rwhitby said, they should get here Mar 23 18:07:28 swisstomcat: yoiu have thinmachine.ch right? Mar 23 18:07:34 what about webos@..? Mar 23 18:07:46 anything goes Mar 23 18:08:00 hm.. Mar 23 18:08:00 info@thinmachine.ch Mar 23 18:08:05 that's already set up Mar 23 18:08:12 or even my name Mar 23 18:08:16 firstname.lastname Mar 23 18:08:28