**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 24 02:59:57 2010 Mar 24 03:03:44 is there a way to run a "vm of android on the pixi or pre plus? Mar 24 03:04:37 with a *lot* of work, and probably some reverse engineering of hardware which hasn't happened yet, probably yes. Mar 24 03:04:38 is there a 800mhz for the pixi plus? Mar 24 03:05:11 I'm pretty sure the overclocking kernels are Pre & Pre Plus only. Mar 24 03:06:08 scoutcamper: running android in a vm, vs running it usefully are very very different things Mar 24 03:06:51 scoutcamper: you could probably without too much hacking get it to run via virtualbox or qemu even (i've ported qemu to the pre, i think it's in cross-compile) Mar 24 03:07:25 scoutcamper: but you're going to get /terrible/ performance as it is, since the pre's cpu doesn't support hardware virt, and arm itself isn't virtualizable Mar 24 03:07:35 ok Mar 24 03:07:55 i was hoping to have the nexus 1 version of android siply to have it Mar 24 03:08:10 but u guys are the experts Mar 24 03:08:14 scoutcamper: wasn't sure how serious you were, figured i'd err on the serious side :D Mar 24 03:08:22 * halfhalo_T400___ is not an experts Mar 24 03:10:06 lol Mar 24 03:10:15 you gus know more than me Mar 24 03:10:21 thus you are experts Mar 24 03:10:24 * halfhalo_T400___ doesnt Mar 24 03:11:30 lolz Mar 24 03:11:42 halfhalo_T400___: what happened to your nick? :) Mar 24 03:12:15 dtzWill: his underscore grows when he trolls Mar 24 03:16:44 halfhalo_T400 yay, no underscore Mar 24 03:17:01 my router kept crashing Mar 24 03:17:11 finally remote rebooted it Mar 24 03:19:08 rwhitby is there a 600mhz for pixi plus? Mar 24 03:23:38 anyone? Mar 24 03:28:35 no answers?!?!?! Mar 24 03:32:30 we're generally bad at answers Mar 24 03:32:36 lolz Mar 24 03:32:43 scoutcamper: dunno. I don't follow the overclocking stuff closely Mar 24 03:32:48 yup Mar 24 03:33:32 is there a specific place to look? Mar 24 03:33:58 scoutcamper: precentral forums :o) Mar 24 03:34:02 lol Mar 24 03:34:08 pixi plus have more ram than pixi? Mar 24 03:34:12 yep Mar 24 03:34:25 it's msm, overclocking should work Mar 24 03:34:34 egaudet: ping Mar 24 03:34:41 I thought pixi plus just was wifi over the regular pixi ? Mar 24 03:34:50 is anyone in irc an overclocking expert Mar 24 03:34:52 ? Mar 24 03:35:00 pixi plus has more ram Mar 24 03:35:08 rwhitby, pong Mar 24 03:35:57 egaudet: so, for PmPostInstall.script and PmPreRemove.script compatibility, we need to put the remount ro into the AUPT script Mar 24 03:36:04 can we do that in aupt-4 now? Mar 24 03:36:19 has anyone done any work on pixi kernel? Mar 24 03:36:29 I'm also thinking that we don't bother setting the rootfs back to ro Mar 24 03:36:53 egaudet: i.e. just set rw in postinst and prerm, and don't bother setting back to ro Mar 24 03:37:59 the purpose of this is just to install homebrew with palm-install? Mar 24 03:38:02 egaudet: we also have to make IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT default to /media/cryptofs/apps for those scripts, rather than error Mar 24 03:38:25 egaudet: that's one reason, other is so orange+tap works Mar 24 03:39:26 egaudet: and so we have the option of both ipkg and ApplicationInstallUtility going into the future, so if one is taken away the other can still be used. Mar 24 03:39:36 default to cryptofs rather than error? Mar 24 03:39:40 egaudet: yep Mar 24 03:39:50 egaudet: no patches < 1.3.5 now Mar 24 03:40:22 that doesn't mean that dir stays the same in 1.5 or 1.6 or etc... Mar 24 03:40:50 egaudet: I strongly doubt they will move it again, after the trouble it caused last time Mar 24 03:41:18 egaudet: but I also think we should generate appinfo.json files for patches too Mar 24 03:41:25 Should be able to just figure out the IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT from dirname no? Mar 24 03:41:46 egaudet: not for PmPreRemove.script Mar 24 03:45:44 is this fixing the aupt for 1.4.1? Mar 24 03:46:07 no answers, remember? Mar 24 03:46:42 lolz Mar 24 03:46:53 i want an answer Mar 24 03:47:05 * scoutcamper|Lapt chokes zsoc to a little A-Bomb and detonates it at a distance of 200 miles watching the silhouette of the nuclear mushroom zsoc disappears in. ;-) Mar 24 03:47:10 :D Mar 24 03:48:45 lol Mar 24 03:48:57 my desktop rebooted ... Mar 24 03:49:39 ... Mar 24 03:49:49 ok, before i flip out on this guy i'm going to peace, later Mar 24 03:50:06 * dtzWill points to zsoc's +v lol Mar 24 03:51:10 * scoutcamper|Lapt pokes zsoc|away to wake up Mar 24 03:51:21 * scoutcamper|Lapt needs answers Mar 24 03:52:21 future webos versions are bound by non disclosure agreements Mar 24 03:52:55 weren't all releases bound by NDA, technically? Mar 24 03:53:11 public releases are not Mar 24 03:53:19 uhhhhh, that wouldnt make sens Sedorox Mar 24 03:53:26 dtzWill: and from the grave, I would like to notify you that I approve of the new 'blue' trimming on the ATT pixi plus Mar 24 03:53:31 e.g. when 1.4.0 went public, it was no longer under NDA. Mar 24 03:53:37 well obviously public isn't Mar 24 03:53:45 I guess I missed part of the convo :p Mar 24 03:53:47 * Sedorox shuts up Mar 24 03:53:53 :D Mar 24 03:55:21 zsoc|away: well ghost zsoc, a)i'm a little scared to talk to a ghost, but at least it's friendly ol' zsoc, and b)they do look nice, yes. Mar 24 03:58:05 rwhitby, pushed Mar 24 04:01:01 egaudet: I'm going to add BLDFLAGS=-g to common.mk to generate palm-install compatible ipkgs for the patches Mar 24 04:01:23 BLDFLAGS ? Mar 24 04:03:15 yeah, extra flags to ipkg-build. s/-g/-p/ Mar 24 04:03:23 -p == palm format scripts Mar 24 04:03:30 right now aupt-4 is only used in the *.testing scripts, the aupt-3 ones will be autobuilt but not really be palm-install compatible Mar 24 04:03:47 in the sense that it doesn't remount Mar 24 04:04:24 egaudet: right Mar 24 04:16:22 hahahahahahahahhahahaha Mar 24 04:16:30 the funniest thing just happened to me. . . Mar 24 04:17:11 it says on wirc. . . "now you can IRC from the crapper" . . . guess where I am at right now. . . . hahahahha Mar 24 04:18:17 TMI Mar 24 04:20:01 so, is there a way to get an active background on the pixi plus, like on the nexus 1? Mar 24 04:20:26 Sebastian, I may have to burn my computer screen because of that Mar 24 04:20:53 scoutcamper: hahahaha. . . and no you cant Mar 24 04:21:13 no fancy gif backgrounds? Mar 24 04:21:31 nop Mar 24 04:21:54 lame Mar 24 04:22:32 why did you get a pixi and not a pre? Mar 24 04:23:27 because i killed my pre and "upgraded" to a pixi plus as my store was out of pre plus's Mar 24 04:23:41 hahahahahahah Mar 24 04:24:17 * scoutcamper takes a Flamethrower and transforms Sebastian into a pile of ash! Mar 24 04:24:19 * scoutcamper TAKE THAT!!! *FIRE* Mar 24 04:24:19 * scoutcamper AND THAT!!! *HOT* Mar 24 04:24:19 * scoutcamper ;-D Mar 24 04:24:38 uhwill you be able to "downgrade" when new pres arrive? Mar 24 04:25:22 I am sure you don't want to miss the 800 mhz patch arriving soon! Mar 24 04:25:51 i will "upgrade" to a pre plus as soon as i can, i had an orriginal pre when it died Mar 24 04:26:12 so you moved to verizon? Mar 24 04:26:19 yep Mar 24 04:26:50 * scoutcamper misses 3d games Mar 24 04:28:15 and by as soon as you can Mar 24 04:28:32 do you mean when as soon as the store gets pres? Mar 24 04:28:39 or you get more money Mar 24 04:29:21 both, as of today they are still out of stock Mar 24 04:30:09 that and i need to recover cash Mar 24 04:33:07 I c I c Mar 24 04:33:30 did you watch the new videos for the 800 Mhz patch? Mar 24 04:34:38 yep, it looks awesome Mar 24 04:41:11 why censored parts in the 800 mhz video? Mar 24 04:43:20 personal data I guess? Mar 24 04:45:06 lol Mar 24 04:47:17 audios all Mar 24 04:47:30 cya Mar 24 04:49:17 I really don't understand how the app catalog works. Mar 24 04:49:30 I thought there were two app catalogs. one for US and one for EU. Mar 24 04:49:41 but I have three devices, and it seems they each see a different app catalog. Mar 24 04:50:59 the sprint device sees the US app catalog, one GSM device sees an app catalog with 382 apps and wetter.com featured, and the other GSM device sees an app catalog with 294 apps and free 3D games featured. Mar 24 04:52:20 lol Mar 24 04:52:22 weird Mar 24 04:52:48 maybe you have the mexican catalog Mar 24 04:54:52 rod is totally mexican ;) Mar 24 05:00:26 nope, the GSM devices are both unlocked QWERTZ german Pre Mar 24 05:04:12 sprint pre profile has country = US, and a CDMA phone Mar 24 05:05:11 main gsm pre profile has country = UK, and a GSM phone device id Mar 24 05:06:06 aha, other gsm pre profile has country = US, and a GSM phone device id Mar 24 05:07:27 but the strange thing is that the country=US GSM profile is the one which has the free 3d games Mar 24 05:20:46 weird Mar 24 06:37:53 moin Mar 24 07:34:27 morning Mar 24 07:37:17 reporting live from the swiss open source expo in bern .. at the webos-internals booth Mar 24 08:50:33 haha, people are floored when i show them webos Mar 24 08:53:42 where coul i upload pics from the expo? Mar 24 08:53:45 could Mar 24 09:05:03 WebOS Internals booth in Bern, Switzerland: http://twitter.com/twtomcat/status/10969777403 Mar 24 09:05:15 wohoo Mar 24 09:06:31 So I just meta-doctored my GSM phone, and told it that it was German before running the First Use app to create a new Palm Profile. So now I have a German profile :) Mar 24 09:06:57 Looks like the language you choose in the First Use app is the one to which your Palm Profile is forever locked from then on Mar 24 09:10:01 interesting Mar 24 09:10:22 i'd need an english one then Mar 24 09:10:39 since paid apps are only coming to germany,uk,spain and the other "official" countries Mar 24 09:11:22 well, my other GSM profile has a UK country, but it didn't show the free EA games. This German profile does. Mar 24 09:12:19 i wonder if i could set a developer device to germany without activation Mar 24 09:12:38 that's what I just did with this one Mar 24 09:12:57 meta-doctored, enabled wifi, ran first use. no sim card Mar 24 09:13:06 o2 developer device? Mar 24 09:13:17 this is an unlocked german GSM device Mar 24 09:13:29 ok Mar 24 09:13:39 just need a german credit card then Mar 24 09:14:05 oh, I've sorted out the US credit card situation now. www.simon.com giftaccount Mar 24 09:31:47 pics are up Mar 24 09:31:55 http://thinmachine.ch/gallery2/main.php Mar 24 10:18:22 search Mar 24 10:18:26 saverestore now supports SplashID Mar 24 10:19:07 how can i restart the saverestore service? Mar 24 10:24:32 swisstomcat: /sbin/stop org.webosinternals.saverestore Mar 24 10:24:35 swisstomcat: /sbin/start org.webosinternals.saverestore Mar 24 10:27:12 ok, thanks Mar 24 10:27:23 people are impressed by webos Mar 24 10:27:49 and when it tell them it's all linux/webkit/css/html/javascript/sdl/opengl even more Mar 24 11:50:49 swisstomcat: Sounds good, make some noise about or good WebOS Mar 24 12:10:17 * rwhitby bbt Mar 24 12:34:02 some just asked about a SIP-Client Mar 24 12:35:26 none has been ported yet, right? Mar 24 12:38:14 what's the path of the usb-partition again? Mar 24 12:41:19 /media/internal ? Mar 24 12:41:25 thanks Mar 24 12:51:01 Hi, I installed the WIPDK yesterday and it was working (after some help). When I start it now I get the following error that somthing is worn with the compiler. I tried to set it up again but I'm running into the same problem Mar 24 12:51:10 here is the output http://pastebin.com/KDZzYKq0 Mar 24 12:51:18 Do sombody have an idea? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 24 21:08:14 2010 Mar 24 21:08:19 bsm: avidemux on ubuntu in vbox on windows Mar 24 21:08:24 does avidemux _burn_ dvs? Mar 24 21:08:24 rwhitby: morning. nslu2-linux.org was down but I just checked and it appears to be back Mar 24 21:08:41 jacques: nslu2-linux.org _is_ rwhitby Mar 24 21:08:48 PuffTheMagic: avidemux on windows on vbox on ubuntu on vbox on windows? Mar 24 21:09:07 bsm: in qemu Mar 24 21:09:11 zsoc: lol Mar 24 21:09:12 in bochs Mar 24 21:09:24 ;) Mar 24 21:09:41 zsoc: yes, I type in the 1's and 0's that you see in your browser when you're accessing that site ... Mar 24 21:09:42 cool!this online developing is fantastic! Mar 24 21:09:53 but, is tha java? Mar 24 21:11:15 rwhitby: why the new java deps for WIDK ? Mar 24 21:11:20 is that online development website only in java? no c ++? Mar 24 21:11:42 karotte_exe: you own a webos device, do you? Mar 24 21:11:51 here is an actual recent photo of rwhitby for those of you who don't know what he looks like: http://tinyurl.com/yedumhq Mar 24 21:11:51 jacques: what new java deps? Mar 24 21:11:56 jep Mar 24 21:12:00 palm pre Mar 24 21:12:18 bsm: : palm pre Mar 24 21:12:21 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=WebOS_Internals_PDK&diff=9408&oldid=9407 Mar 24 21:12:56 (I guess to you it's not new) Mar 24 21:13:00 karotte_exe: and you know at least a bit about the internals of your device if you want to start developing for it? Mar 24 21:13:21 oh, getting people set up to be able to build stuff in build.git, for when we merge them Mar 24 21:13:23 am... a little bit Mar 24 21:14:10 karotte_exe: so something like most gui apps are writting in javascript, backends are java services and games are written with the new PDK or WIDK? Mar 24 21:14:26 karotte_exe: its all javascript and css Mar 24 21:14:36 it has nothing to do with C/C++/Java Mar 24 21:14:36 rwhitby: only reason I ask is because I'm testing ubuntu 10.04 LTS for WIDK and it doesn't currently have the sun-java package Mar 24 21:14:40 its just for apps Mar 24 21:14:43 not services Mar 24 21:14:46 or plugins Mar 24 21:15:04 :( Mar 24 21:15:08 kk Mar 24 21:15:16 how would a gui be helpfull for that? Mar 24 21:15:22 i know somthing about java, but not much Mar 24 21:16:37 I think its interesting, palm thought that all web developers would start developing great apps for webos as it should be "their" language, but that didn't happen.... Mar 24 21:30:44 jacques: try the openjdk packages Mar 24 21:30:48 essentially the same Mar 24 21:32:00 azakus: I think I had problems with those in fedora - for example not being able to run webos doctor nor WOSQI Mar 24 21:33:03 odd Mar 24 21:33:48 I doctored using fedora + openjdk right before 1.4 came out Mar 24 21:33:54 (fedora12) Mar 24 21:34:04 nt4cats: interesting Mar 24 21:35:27 jacques: http://webos.pastebin.com/vF6WL4G4 Mar 24 21:35:34 hey guys. Mar 24 21:36:11 evo 4g, finally the first one worthy of replacing my pre. Mar 24 21:37:08 I'll bet a palm lte device will be out soon enough Mar 24 21:38:51 azakus: if palm had a hot new device in the works ... why wouldn't they announce it at CTIA? Mar 24 21:39:26 unless palm announces something with a snapdragon processor before summer, ill be hooked. right now webos is too laggy/slow for me. Mar 24 21:40:04 Decimate: because you are having constantly 1 app open? :) Mar 24 21:40:11 why would you come into a #webos-internals channel, and talk about some other device? Mar 24 21:40:25 rwhitby: clearly people enjoy irritating you Mar 24 21:40:38 rwhitby: personal hatred towards you of course. Mar 24 21:40:51 Decimate: I held an HD2 the other day. It's hideously large and disgusting... and all a snapdragon does is drain your battery Mar 24 21:40:52 i mean, cmon, it has a digital compass, whats not to like. Mar 24 21:41:04 It's great... as a MID, not a cell phone. Mar 24 21:41:08 go to #evo-internals instead Mar 24 21:41:23 if only such a thing, i'd be logged into both :) Mar 24 21:41:41 Decimate: make it, please.. see who you can get in there to talk to you about it :P Mar 24 21:42:57 come on, come all to #evo-internals Mar 24 21:43:06 where we annoy rwhitby, 24/7 Mar 24 21:43:34 * rwhitby bbl Mar 24 21:44:31 nt4cats: lte has 0% coverage yet Mar 24 21:44:39 wimax at least has a few major cities Mar 24 21:44:42 I don't want LTE Mar 24 21:44:45 I want WiMax Mar 24 21:45:00 LTE is supposed to cover 1/3 of the country by the end of this year Mar 24 21:45:03 doubled the next year Mar 24 21:45:08 according to verizon :) Mar 24 21:45:21 Decimate: That's basically impossible. Mar 24 21:45:29 zsoc: not according to verizon Mar 24 21:45:36 If LTE covers 1/2 of the country by 1Q 2011, I would literally buy a verizon phone. Mar 24 21:45:51 f LTE covers 1/2 of the country by 1Q 2011, I would literally buy zsoc Mar 24 21:45:53 It won't happen, I don't care how much money they have. Mar 24 21:45:59 zsoc: probably just a tower firmware upgrade actually Mar 24 21:46:10 It'll be 2Q 2012 before it's serious. Mar 24 21:46:17 Really, I have to say that while the Evo is amazing, it would be better with webos on it Mar 24 21:46:17 that's more likely Mar 24 21:46:19 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/verizon-to-blanket-one-third-of-america-with-lte-this-year-do/ Mar 24 21:46:27 verizon claims crap all the time Mar 24 21:46:52 on sprint chat on the sprint website, the rep just told me june 25th for the evo 4g Mar 24 21:47:13 but they're totally full of crap and never know anything Mar 24 21:47:18 so im gonna count on it totally! Mar 24 21:47:25 haha Mar 24 21:47:26 uh Mar 24 21:47:31 Decimate: you are full of poop Mar 24 21:47:39 i know a lot of people that work for verizon Mar 24 21:47:45 <|Defiler|> if you keep spammin' / flamin' the crap outta each other, it will still help no one. Mar 24 21:47:47 LTE will NOT cover 1/3rd of the country by the end of the year Mar 24 21:47:47 LTE with only one phone? Mar 24 21:48:01 and it's LTE, they aren't even thinking about LTE Advanced Mar 24 21:48:10 and I just found a recent verizon press release that quotes LTE nationwide rollout in 2013 Mar 24 21:48:11 ahm, did someone help me to finish a part of my old project? (im working on that shit since a half year!) Mar 24 21:48:21 zsoc: that probably wont even get met Mar 24 21:48:25 <|Defiler|> just blow up LTE, and it might cover even down to mexico. Mar 24 21:49:02 <|Defiler|> karotte_exec: what project are you working on? Mar 24 21:49:12 |Defiler|: who are you again? I mean besides the guy that starts his nick with a pipe so it's difficult for me to tab complete? :p Mar 24 21:49:24 im reading the android forums about the evo-4g. almost all of the people wanting to get it are former pre owners or current pre owners. Mar 24 21:49:37 <|Defiler|> zsoc: nick was autoassigned, somehow... Mar 24 21:49:38 a collision-detection in 3D Mar 24 21:50:11 <|Defiler|> zsoc if you can't reach the pipes on your k'board, try hacking some shell code :P Mar 24 21:50:25 regardless the evo-4g will have a far inferior OS Mar 24 21:50:26 :P Mar 24 21:50:43 loot-: android is not inferior, just less productive Mar 24 21:50:44 plus from what ive heard, you wont actually get better speeds from 4g for quite awhile anyways Mar 24 21:50:50 and Mar 24 21:50:55 4g coverage will be terrible for years Mar 24 21:50:56 <|Defiler|> karotte_exee: using what toolkit for the 3D objects? Mar 24 21:51:35 |Defiler|: directX ^^ Mar 24 21:51:42 loot-: its not about the 4g. its about the actually phone. i want a huge screen, i want a fast processor, i WANT android because although i love webos, its too slow. Mar 24 21:51:49 karotte_exee: I'm sorry.. you want to use D3D on webos? Is that accurate? Mar 24 21:51:58 <|Defiler|> a colleague of mine just did some scientific work on polygon reductions of discrete objects... might do the trick Mar 24 21:52:07 <|Defiler|> alas, I am not into DirectX Mar 24 21:52:11 * loot- shakes head Mar 24 21:52:12 Decimate: Have you used android... ? Mar 24 21:52:20 <|Defiler|> would care for OpenGL, though Mar 24 21:52:31 zsoc: yes. Mar 24 21:52:38 noxD its a windows project Mar 24 21:52:42 anyway, this isn't the purpose of this channel, we need to drop the evo/android talk and limit carrier specifications to palm related ideals. Mar 24 21:52:55 no webos ^^ i only wnated to ask Mar 24 21:53:30 <|Defiler|> karotte_exee: you're not really aiming at directX on webOS do you XD Mar 24 21:53:30 i swear Mar 24 21:53:52 * |Defiler| fires up amarok Mar 24 21:53:55 you could squeeze a core i7 with a monster GPU and full on desktop OS Mar 24 21:54:05 and people will still find stupid things to bitch about Mar 24 21:54:06 nooooo! xD that is impossible |Defiler| Mar 24 21:54:14 <|Defiler|> right. Mar 24 21:54:22 i wish people would put 1/100000000000th the effort they put into bitching... into resolving the issues they have Mar 24 21:54:28 :P Mar 24 21:54:36 <|Defiler|> unless you port wine to arm/webOS, what would be quite some fuckup. Mar 24 21:54:47 <|Defiler|> loot same herer ;( Mar 24 21:54:52 I want a better keyboard first of all. :-) Mar 24 21:54:56 but |Defiler| , areyou intrested to help Me ? Mar 24 21:55:20 <|Defiler|> karotte_exee: tell me what you aim for, and i can tell you what i can do Mar 24 21:55:30 you didn't have to know anything about DirectX, only about c ++ Mar 24 21:55:34 wait... Mar 24 21:55:43 <|Defiler|> i'm more into database stuff / java at the moment :) Mar 24 21:55:51 <|Defiler|> c++ is okay. Mar 24 21:55:56 <|Defiler|> we got compilers for arm. Mar 24 21:56:11 |Defiler|: can you speak german? Mar 24 21:56:18 <|Defiler|> actually i do Mar 24 21:56:27 <|Defiler|> private conversation? Mar 24 21:56:28 ok, then wait... Mar 24 21:56:40 kk Mar 24 21:56:46 please open Mar 24 21:56:53 dont know how Mar 24 22:00:55 hello? Mar 24 22:01:26 ah cool, browser based irc Mar 24 22:01:36 Had a question...anyone around to help? Mar 24 22:01:37 jacques: it's downloading! It's back up! Mar 24 22:02:17 sweet lol Mar 24 22:04:38 donrhummy: yeah it came back up about an hour ago. I still don't know what happened Mar 24 22:07:08 Well, the past day or so, the internet on my phone hasn't been working, the "Ev" or "3G" logo isn't there when it isn't working. Sometimes if I restart the phone, it'll come back on but then it will go out again. It just started happening after I have been downloading patches from preware. Nothing crazy, just adding calendar items, flashlight, more home pages etc. is there anyway to check on how to fix this? Thanks Mar 24 22:07:41 quiXilver: try restarting java services Mar 24 22:08:54 zsoc: Could you point me in the right direction? Mar 24 22:10:49 quiXilver: open preware, go into the app menu, go into luna manager Mar 24 22:10:55 click restart java services Mar 24 22:11:48 zsoc: found it, thanks. I'll try that. Mar 24 22:12:29 zsoc: Yea, what's weird is I don't even have a "1x" or any symbol next to my signal meter anymore... Mar 24 22:12:36 quiXilver: it will make your phone unresponsive for about a minute Mar 24 22:13:03 That is slightly strange. The other option to try (assuming you're on sprint) is to open the phone app, go into the app menu, preferences.. and there's a data profile update option Mar 24 22:16:06 zsoc: Yes I am on sprint, I'm not sure if I found what you are talking about. Open up the actual phone app, like the dialer? Mar 24 22:16:36 quiXilver: correct Mar 24 22:16:56 oh, it's "Update Network Settings" Mar 24 22:16:59 in preferences. Mar 24 22:17:13 ok, yea I went there..didn't do anything Mar 24 22:17:29 Did it complete? (ie: finish with no errors?) Mar 24 22:17:41 I clicked on it, and it cycled for a bit but didn't seem to change anything....lemme try it again Mar 24 22:17:53 You could also try cycling your wifi and/or airplane mode on and off in case it got stuck. Mar 24 22:18:05 Honestly this isn't really a general Palm troubleshooting channel. Mar 24 22:18:35 Getting an error running "make stage" for WIDK: checking size of short... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (short) See `config.log' for more details. make[1]: *** [build/armv7.built] Error 77 make[1]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/glib-2.0' make: *** [staging-armv7] Error 2 Mar 24 22:18:39 Well, I understand, but the phone was working fine until I started installing preware stuff, so didn't know if someone here might know something stupid or easy to fix Mar 24 22:18:46 Does anyone know what's wrong and where config.log is located? Mar 24 22:19:28 zsoc: Yea that's what I used to do is cycle airplane mode and now its not working Mar 24 22:20:09 quiXilver: it would surprise me if the two things were related. Mar 24 22:20:28 zsoc: You were right. Mar 24 22:20:30 donrhummy: find . | grep config.log ? Mar 24 22:20:46 zsoc: I turned off WiFi and it kicked back in. Weird. Mar 24 22:21:03 quiXilver: i generally am, that's why i'm a complete jerk Mar 24 22:21:16 zsoc: Haha, sweet. Just like me :) Mar 24 22:21:28 zsoc: Really appreciate the help! Mar 24 22:21:32 n/p Mar 24 22:21:57 I keep thinking if I continue to play FFXIII it'll get good Mar 24 22:22:05 heh Mar 24 22:22:11 Im trying to play just cause 2 Mar 24 22:22:17 computer doesnt want to though Mar 24 22:22:18 halfhalo_T400: that is the best game of 2010 imo Mar 24 22:22:19 So no good so far? Mar 24 22:22:39 quiXilver: music is surprisingly good considering uematsu _didn't_ do it Mar 24 22:22:41 that's about it Mar 24 22:22:41 APPARENTLy my computer is back up to its overheating shenanigains Mar 24 22:23:36 OK, my error for "make stage" as reported in config.log: configure: exit 77 Mar 24 22:23:44 What does that mean? Mar 24 22:23:46 donrhummy: please pastebin the entire log Mar 24 22:24:44 OK...one sec... Mar 24 22:25:51 http://pastebin.com/SYz2Fu87 Mar 24 22:26:09 I think it's this: configure:26544: checking size of short configure:26846: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c >&5 configure:26849: $? = 0 configure:26855: ./conftest ./configure: line 26856: 10104 Segmentation fault ./conftest$ac_exeext configure:26858: $? = 139 configure: program exited with status 139 configure: failed program was: | /* confdefs.h. */ Mar 24 22:26:27 I'm using Ubuntu Server 9.10 Mar 24 22:31:51 That is quite odd. Mar 24 22:32:34 another segfault Mar 24 22:32:44 donrhummy: can you configure any package ? Mar 24 22:32:54 donrhummy: ie: go into another folder in packages/ and make stage there Mar 24 22:33:24 hello all Mar 24 22:33:33 yo Mar 24 22:35:02 zsoc: i'll try that. Mar 24 22:35:46 Can I choose any folder? Mar 24 22:35:50 donrhummy: is your ubuntu install up-to-date ? did you do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? Mar 24 22:36:06 jacques: no. I'll do that now Mar 24 22:36:51 If I doctor my phone what is the easiest way to get all my patches and apps back on? Mar 24 22:37:30 donrhummy: if you haven't done it yet, what does "dpkg -l qemu" return? Mar 24 22:37:33 jacques: I'm doing that now, do I need to restart after that before trying make stage again? Mar 24 22:38:18 yeah, just to be safe Mar 24 22:38:24 jacques:Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii qemu 0.11.0-0ubuntu dummy transitional pacakge for qemu-kvm Mar 24 22:38:36 o that would probably do it Mar 24 22:38:42 TheInvsbleMan: Not yet, but a way is currently in development Mar 24 22:39:03 all right cool. I still cannot figure out why my Pre can't send MMS Mar 24 22:39:20 I was going to doctor and see if that helps... but before I do so does anyone else have any ideas? Mar 24 22:40:10 I can receieve but not send MMS messages. They send sometimes but usually they don't I am getting a network error Mar 24 22:42:12 Or better yet... Is there a way to reprovision my Pre without doctoring? Mar 24 22:42:44 update network settings in dialer app menu preferences Mar 24 22:42:49 call your carrier? Mar 24 22:43:15 I did that and it didn't work Mar 24 22:43:26 doctor it then Mar 24 22:43:43 Sprint said they have no idea what the issue is and actually tried to convince me that the Pre runs on Windows Mobile Mar 24 22:43:52 LOL! Mar 24 22:44:01 yea... Mar 24 22:45:20 jacques: ok, gonna restart. I'll be back... Mar 24 22:45:28 TheInvsbleMan: that's very sad :-\ Mar 24 22:45:30 donrhummy: OK Mar 24 22:46:13 jacques: yes I know, I can't figure out why I cannot send MMS messages for the life of me Mar 24 22:48:21 jacques: ok, I'm back. Should I re-run make stage or do something else first? Mar 24 22:49:21 donrhummy_: I would cd into packages/glib-2.0 and do make clobber && make stage Mar 24 22:49:58 ok Mar 24 22:51:00 should I do make stage from within that folder or back out in the main folder? Mar 24 22:52:30 donrhummy_: from within the dir Mar 24 22:52:45 do the make clobber first Mar 24 22:55:08 jacques: DAMN! It made it past sizeof short but now craps out on long!! Mar 24 22:55:41 ... Mar 24 22:56:27 Here's the error: configure:28164: checking size of long long configure:28466: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c >&5 configure:28469: $? = 0 configure:28475: ./conftest ./configure: line 28476: 3979 Segmentation fault ./conftest$ac_exeext configure:28478: $? = 139 configure: program exited with status 139 configure: failed program was: | /* confdefs.h. */ Mar 24 22:57:39 this is feeling like a memory corruption or hardware issue Mar 24 22:57:47 Sorry but this is really frustrating. I want to write some software for WIDK but this is crazy. Mar 24 22:57:55 How would I fix that? Mar 24 22:58:23 it's a segfault .. Mar 24 22:58:55 donrhummy_: if you do the same thing multiple times (make clobber && make stage in packages/glib-2.0) is the result the same every time? Mar 24 22:59:12 jacques: let me try... Mar 24 22:59:16 oh, this is when you're making the widk ? Mar 24 22:59:31 bpadalino: yeah, when glib-2.0 is configuring Mar 24 22:59:34 bpadalino: yes Mar 24 22:59:39 interesting Mar 24 23:01:49 I would guess qemu-arm instability or maybe hardware - memtest might be in order Mar 24 23:04:27 jacques: just crapped out on a new spot: configure: error: Could not determine values for POLL* constants make: *** [build/armv7.built] Error 1 Mar 24 23:09:13 donrhummy_: please describe your hardware / software environment - the machine, what virtualization software you are using (if any) Mar 24 23:09:32 are you running ubuntu server 9.10 natively on a machine? Mar 24 23:10:57 OK: Ubuntu Server 9.10 is running in VirtualBox. It's set with 640MB RAM, 12MB video memory. Host computer is opensuse 11.2 Mar 24 23:12:03 donrhummy_: the host computer is stable for you? if so I would suspect virtualbox maybe Mar 24 23:12:20 maybe his cpu isn't capable of virtualization? Mar 24 23:12:33 Host computer Hardware: 1.8 processor (AMD), 1.4 GB RAM Mar 24 23:12:49 No problems with the host computer Mar 24 23:12:50 zsoc: I considered that but have no idea if it would manifest like this Mar 24 23:13:05 And I've never had problems before with Ubuntu or Windows in VirtualBox either Mar 24 23:13:20 WIDK stuff is the first time I've ever had an issue Mar 24 23:14:12 I have "enable PAE/NX" on as well Mar 24 23:14:15 donrhummy_: 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu server ? Mar 24 23:14:21 32-bit Mar 24 23:15:06 that's the best supported version Mar 24 23:15:12 (supported by WIDK) Mar 24 23:15:59 It *might* be a problem with my computer but I highly doubt it as I've had ZERO issues running openSUSE 11.2 on here, zero running windows and zero running widnows and ubuntu in virtualbox Mar 24 23:17:24 donrhummy_: I would run a memtest on the host machine just to rule out bad memory. another thing - do you see any strange messages in /var/log/messages in the ubuntu machine? Mar 24 23:17:49 I'll look. So memtest on host machine, not in virtualbox, right? Mar 24 23:17:55 like maybe OOM killer is killing the configure apps (not very likely, but worth looking) Mar 24 23:18:13 donrhummy_: yeah memtest on the host, not in the VM, but first look at the logs in the VM Mar 24 23:18:38 ok, looking now... Mar 24 23:19:00 look for "OOM" or lines like "out of memory killing process ... " Mar 24 23:19:17 640MB RAM _should_ be fine Mar 24 23:19:46 cool, 10.04 beta1 just staged xorg-server Mar 24 23:19:54 Neither OOM nor "out of" occurred within messages file Mar 24 23:20:35 I Suggest at least 128MB honestly Mar 24 23:21:23 zsoc: he said 640 Mar 24 23:21:28 zsoc: yeah, but since I have 640, I should be fine Mar 24 23:22:14 donrhummy_: is there anything at all strange near the end of /var/log/messages ? Mar 24 23:22:21 oh ahaha i see Mar 24 23:23:38 lemme look... Mar 24 23:26:26 jacques: what's this? Mar 24 23:26:28 Mar 24 14:46:49 ubuntu kernel: [ 7.612422] EXT4-fs (sda1): orphan cleanup on readonly fs Mar 24 14:46:49 ubuntu kernel: [ 7.613817] EXT4-fs (sda1): 1 orphan inode deleted Mar 24 14:46:49 ubuntu kernel: [ 7.613859] EXT4-fs (sda1): recovery complete Mar 24 14:46:49 ubuntu kernel: [ 7.655497] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode Mar 24 23:27:17 other than that, nothing looks out of the ordinary Mar 24 23:28:09 that is a bit strange - minor filesystem corruption in the VM Mar 24 23:28:28 tho not shutting down properly might cause that I suppose Mar 24 23:28:54 Hmmm..that might have been it. Mar 24 23:29:02 So am I just completely out of luck here? Mar 24 23:29:22 I'd hate to give up on WIDK... Mar 24 23:29:27 lol Mar 24 23:29:35 thats the pdks purpose Mar 24 23:29:55 donrhummy_: I would still run that memtest on the host machine Mar 24 23:30:23 scoutcamper: I understnad that but two issues: 1. PDK won't run on linux 2. I can't do what my program's doing with PDK Mar 24 23:30:23 I don't know much about virtualbox because I use KVM for virtualization Mar 24 23:31:13 donrhummy_: have you tried to compile a package other than glib? Mar 24 23:31:26 zsoc: no, which one should I try? Mar 24 23:31:51 donrhummy_: pick one Mar 24 23:32:01 lol Mar 24 23:32:05 well, one with no deps Mar 24 23:32:07 run windows in a vm :D Mar 24 23:32:33 scoutcamper: yes, but I can't use the microphone with PDK which my program needs Mar 24 23:32:41 ahhh Mar 24 23:32:42 ok Mar 24 23:32:44 lolz Mar 24 23:33:04 So any folder in packages? Mar 24 23:33:11 donrhummy_: should i ask what it does? and is microphone access achieved through pulse, gstreamer, ffmpeg, or arecord? Mar 24 23:33:21 donrhummy_: something without dependencies.. like bison or flex come to mind Mar 24 23:33:45 ok, doing make stage in bison Mar 24 23:34:04 zsoc: it's voice searching and later voice command (one thing at a time) Mar 24 23:34:58 donrhummy_: you may be interested to know there is pulseaudio sink (and subsequent monitor source) set up for voice command already, so I'm sure palm is planning it soon Mar 24 23:35:43 neat Mar 24 23:36:23 zsoc: I spoke with a palm rep and they said that it's not coming for a while. Mar 24 23:36:51 donrhummy_: please define "palm rep"? Mar 24 23:37:16 I believe it was unwiredben on the palm dev forums Mar 24 23:37:27 if you mean sales rep, no offense but uh.. there's a few layers of abstraction Mar 24 23:37:29 He said it's not coming in the next few releases of pdk Mar 24 23:37:36 if that's ben as in ben and dion ben, then yes, he definitely knows :) Mar 24 23:37:49 donrhummy_: A "few releases" Could be Q4 this year Mar 24 23:38:02 Well, that's "soon" to me, I guess it isn't really soon in real life, especially in phone time Mar 24 23:38:11 You really think they'll get through 3 releases of the PDK that quickly? Mar 24 23:38:16 Yes Mar 24 23:38:35 donrhummy_: and there's a difference between PDK and on phone feature Mar 24 23:38:41 Still, I'd like to do this now, but if I can't get WIDK installed, well then I'm gonna have to scrap this Mar 24 23:38:48 mic access may not be available in the pdk, but voice command could come in 1.5 Mar 24 23:38:57 donrhummy_: what happens when you make stage in bison? Mar 24 23:39:22 zsoc: yeah, this was my question: can I use the micrphone with my own code in C and then make it avail. with PDK? Mar 24 23:39:31 Will they accept that? Mar 24 23:39:33 still running in bison Mar 24 23:39:46 OK, bison says it was built! Mar 24 23:40:12 zsoc: jacques: Now what do I do? Mar 24 23:40:14 donrhummy_: Will they accept it? Most likely yes. Will it work? Most likely no. Since palm hasn't released the short and long of how the PDK will be sandboxed, we have no way of knowing what we'll have access to outside of the program Mar 24 23:40:26 donrhummy_: basically I just proved that your cross compiler worked, even if you have mem/proc issues Mar 24 23:40:35 donrhummy_: so.. uh.. don't worry about it. Build your program. Mar 24 23:40:48 lol Mar 24 23:40:50 So I should use the PDK instead then? Mar 24 23:41:33 donrhummy_: All the PDK is, is a codesorcery chain (similar or identical to the WIDK), sdl headers (which the WIDK also contains), and libpdl (which the WIDK _could_ contain in theory) Mar 24 23:41:46 Besides those three things, the WIDK has a ton more resources, including us in this channel Mar 24 23:42:02 the "PDK" is very vague.. since the "rules" haven't exactly come out yet, we don't really know where the lines are drawn in the sand. Mar 24 23:42:03 donrhummy_: I don't mean to be negative, but I believe you will continue to see instability. try building a few more things, I guess Mar 24 23:42:13 I say, make your app work on homebrew first in the meantime Mar 24 23:42:32 jacques: that's a good point, but glib is known for it's compiling mishaps and massacres. it's bloated imo Mar 24 23:44:13 so far it's the tiny configure applets which are segfaulting Mar 24 23:44:24 zsoc: how will I make it work in homebrew if I can't get WIDK compiled? Mar 24 23:44:43 donrhummy_: the WIDK is already "compiled" Mar 24 23:44:52 and your toolchain is working, at least half the time :) Mar 24 23:45:24 Right, but I meant all the parts I need to build with WIDK for WebOS. Mar 24 23:45:38 Should I try flex next or is this just a waste of time? Mar 24 23:45:41 donrhummy_: you have them all, unless for some reason you need the glib library for whatever app you're compiling Mar 24 23:45:57 donrhummy_: all 'make stage' does in that root folder is attempt to compile every package in packages/ Mar 24 23:46:03 jacques: why exactly do we do that anyway? Mar 24 23:46:26 zsoc: do what? Mar 24 23:46:57 jacques: make stage in root cross-compile dir Mar 24 23:48:09 oh, I dunno. one one hand it's a good test of the environment, on the other it takes a long time and builds lots of probably-unnecessary packages Mar 24 23:48:50 jacques: Well I already talked about an extras/ dir split between X, Gst, and Evas stuff.. so we can get them out of packages/ and nonworking/ Mar 24 23:48:57 someone adding packages should get their DEPENDS right in the Makefile and only what they need would get built Mar 24 23:49:06 jacques: maybe we could have a testing/ folder and a 'make test' command Mar 24 23:49:34 jacques: well that's the reason why we haven't moved anything, we have to change the way DEPENDS works in the .mk to check more than just packages/ ... maybe any folder that ISN'T nonworking/ :p Mar 24 23:50:00 zsoc: I'm all for splitting things out more into dirs - I think the main thing holding that back was the scripting in cross-compile - that the Makefiles use - it makes certain assumptions Mar 24 23:50:18 yeah I was typing while you were typing Mar 24 23:50:24 I'm noticed :p I don't even understand some of the .mk magic going on Mar 24 23:50:38 nor do I - rwhitby is the make wizard Mar 24 23:50:38 egaudet and rod must have done it.. makefile scripting is skeery Mar 24 23:51:35 also, as the number of packages increases, it will become less feasible to build everything Mar 24 23:52:03 jacques: that's why there's so much crap in nonworking/ that works lol Mar 24 23:52:16 zsoc: really? I was wondering about that Mar 24 23:52:56 for example, xorg-server seems to build fine Mar 24 23:53:29 once one installs xsltproc Mar 24 23:53:56 and I would like to know why cairo's in non-working Mar 24 23:54:29 gstreamer and every gstreamer plugin package, as well as liblame, libogg, libgsm and libvorbis all work Mar 24 23:54:36 although i'm not even sure how much of that stuff i pushed lol Mar 24 23:55:34 I think ogg and vorbis are in packages now Mar 24 23:57:44 maybe dtzWill will be on later and I can ask him - looks like cairo is a dep of matchbox-panel Mar 24 23:58:36 and why is fontconfig in packages *and* nonworking ? Mar 24 23:59:03 lol gitmv fail Mar 25 00:00:59 * jacques starts learning vala. Mar 25 00:05:29 hey remember that time i accidentally deleted the whole WIDK git, and had to revert locally a rewrite the history? Fun times. Mar 25 00:05:36 s/a/and/ Mar 25 00:05:37 zsoc meant: hey remember thandt time i accidentally deleted the whole WIDK git, and had to revert locally a rewrite the history? Fun times. Mar 25 00:05:42 * zsoc facepalms Mar 25 00:05:52 Hey remember that time I couldn't use sed because I was a frickin moron Mar 25 00:05:56 oh wait, it /just happened/ Mar 25 00:06:10 yeah I remember that Mar 25 00:06:47 I'm dreaded going through my local repo... i just checked git status Mar 25 00:06:49 it's bad. heh. Mar 25 00:07:05 I wonder how we could add parallel build support to WIDK - just so builds could use multiple cores Mar 25 00:07:06 "now why in the world did i edit these 5 makefiles... " Mar 25 00:07:18 so should I try doing make stage in each of the folders? Mar 25 00:07:26 donrhummy_: yeah Mar 25 00:07:27 I wonder how many webos developers have dual core+ processors Mar 25 00:07:39 donrhummy_: well, pick a bunch, other than glib or anything that depends on it Mar 25 00:07:48 I gave my VM access to both native cores Mar 25 00:07:54 that sounds fancy Mar 25 00:08:03 and 2048MiB RAM Mar 25 00:08:04 * zsoc wishes he had a core series processor Mar 25 00:08:23 I have a simple q6600 Mar 25 00:08:27 does what it needs to Mar 25 00:08:33 since its clocked at 3.2GHz Mar 25 00:08:37 "Why do I need 8GB of RAM?"... "To run virtual OSes for cross compiling, duh" Mar 25 00:08:41 * scoutcamper has a core 2 duo, a quad core, and a core 15 Mar 25 00:08:43 heh Mar 25 00:08:51 to cheap to go to 8 Mar 25 00:08:59 stuck at 6GB in desktop Mar 25 00:08:59 this is my X61t - nothing super-fast - 1.6GHz core 2 duo with 4GiB RAM Mar 25 00:09:21 I would like a i7 machine Mar 25 00:09:26 My T400 has a 2.26GHz C2D and 3GB ddr3 Mar 25 00:09:35 honestly, wait for the new amd 6-core chips Mar 25 00:09:42 starts under 200 Mar 25 00:09:46 Can someone buy me a dual core computer? Mar 25 00:10:11 I don't OWN a single core computer anymore Mar 25 00:10:16 save for the dead powerbook Mar 25 00:10:25 getting an error in curl now too: cp: cannot stat `/srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libcrypto.so.*': No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `/srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libssl.so.*': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [build/armv7.built] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/openssl' make: *** [stage] Error 1 Mar 25 00:10:30 I'm going to have to stop this build soon so I can go home Mar 25 00:10:56 u dont need to go home jacques Mar 25 00:11:28 I don't know what's wrong but this is not working... Mar 25 00:11:30 heh Mar 25 00:11:53 I hadn't noticed that matchbox depends on gtk2 Mar 25 00:12:06 I have the mini sitting inon my deskt right now Mar 25 00:12:15 wow Mar 25 00:12:19 that was a load of fail Mar 25 00:12:28 INON MY DESKT Mar 25 00:12:39 I KNOW RIGHT! Mar 25 00:12:40 * zsoc prints a tshirt Mar 25 00:12:47 SHE WAS LIKE TOTALLY Mar 25 00:14:03 Is there a light at the end of the tunnel or am I out of luck? Mar 25 00:14:21 your not in the train tunnel again are you? Mar 25 00:14:56 te light at the end of tunnel is typially an oncomming train Mar 25 00:16:12 so..800mhz.. Mar 25 00:16:40 halfhalo_T400: http://www.customink.com/designs/inon/16537183-3612643/share/?cm_mmc=share-_-emailb-_-designfront-_-end Mar 25 00:16:45 back later Mar 25 00:16:57 HA Mar 25 00:17:33 you'll get it by april 7th if you order now Mar 25 00:17:43 that presumes I have money Mar 25 00:17:50 hack the planet Mar 25 00:17:56 lol Mar 25 00:18:03 donrhummy_: your problem is very unique. Try another package Mar 25 00:20:41 donrhummy_ what app are you trying to build? Mar 25 00:20:45 OK, I'll give another a go but if I can't get those to compile...? Mar 25 00:21:04 It's a speech recognition app that does searching by voice and voice command Mar 25 00:22:33 wow! Mar 25 00:22:37 i can has? Mar 25 00:22:44 t3h s0rc3? Mar 25 00:22:53 no, particularly because i'm not sure it exists at the moment Mar 25 00:23:16 lol Mar 25 00:23:24 but what does zsoc know.... Mar 25 00:23:29 not much Mar 25 00:23:31 hint: more than me Mar 25 00:23:50 zsoc and halfhalo_T400 know more than me :D Mar 25 00:23:59 scoutcamper: if I can ever get this damn thing to compile, you'll get a chance. Mar 25 00:24:14 i can try to compile on my own ... Mar 25 00:24:33 donrhummy_: he has a point, why not try to compile your app? Mar 25 00:24:48 so could zsoc Mar 25 00:25:10 nah, i'm working on 4 things right now Mar 25 00:25:14 dbus_libs are built Mar 25 00:25:28 woot! Mar 25 00:25:29 does that give you any ideas as to the issues? Mar 25 00:25:39 don't look at me either, my build box is offline Mar 25 00:25:42 no ... Mar 25 00:25:51 ask rwhitby? Mar 25 00:26:01 so far curl and glib didn't build but bison, flex and dbus did Mar 25 00:26:14 strange ... Mar 25 00:26:21 you're telling me Mar 25 00:26:40 donrhummy_: does your app exist at the moment? just try compiling it... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 00:31:41 2010 Mar 25 00:32:19 LOL! Mar 25 00:32:24 chanserv left Mar 25 00:33:10 * scoutcamper will destroy netsplits Mar 25 00:33:26 * scoutcamper wants a fancy + Mar 25 00:33:32 how does he get one? Mar 25 00:33:54 be awesome Mar 25 00:35:33 is there a set list of rules to become a +? Mar 25 00:35:41 What's with all the joining/netsplitting? Mar 25 00:36:27 scoutcamper: ... no, just be generally useful Mar 25 00:36:36 scoutcamper: all you really need to do is something that is seen as useful for the most part Mar 25 00:37:23 rwhitby knows why i am usefull Mar 25 00:38:39 This might be stupid/crazy but can I actually compile the stuff directly on a device? Mar 25 00:38:48 no ... Mar 25 00:38:59 Why not? Mar 25 00:39:03 sure you can Mar 25 00:39:51 Any idea what libs I'd need to put on there? i'm assuming there's no gcc... Mar 25 00:40:20 donrhummy_: you need a debian chroot Mar 25 00:40:28 i have tried to compile on device and failed Mar 25 00:40:30 donrhummy_: but you should be worrying about writing your application... Mar 25 00:40:57 but if you want Mar 25 00:40:58 scoutcamper: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Mar 25 00:42:03 zsoc: right, but assuming I convert it fine to C and it works perfectly in ubuntu and opensuse, that's no guarantee it'll work in webos Mar 25 00:42:08 you could try targeting the emulator first, right ? Mar 25 00:42:17 And I don't have unlimited time for "fun" projects Mar 25 00:44:16 ok, I gotta say it: you guys are amazing. Figuring out the debian chroot on webos - wow. Mar 25 00:44:45 it's just linux .. which is nice Mar 25 00:45:28 bpadalino: I know which is why I'm so confused that Palm's linux support is so poor. The PDK won't work on any linux and the SDK only works on ubuntu Mar 25 00:48:21 donrhummy_ what java processes take to much ram where? Mar 25 00:52:11 The speech recognition stuff Mar 25 00:52:28 The plus of my app is that, unlike google's, the processing happens ON the device Mar 25 00:52:36 so it can be done without a data connection Mar 25 00:53:04 But it'll have to be built in C with only a subset of the total speech recognition stuff Mar 25 00:55:11 e down with her teeth out and ears back Mar 25 00:55:13 woops Mar 25 00:56:28 ... Mar 25 00:56:42 :( Mar 25 00:56:52 trillian popped up #webos as I was typing to someone Mar 25 01:00:04 AnOutsider: very interesting conversation...um... Mar 25 01:01:18 leave me 'lone! Mar 25 01:01:22 * AnOutsider runs crying Mar 25 01:02:11 love you... Mar 25 01:02:46 thanks :) Mar 25 01:02:51 so where are we with gui? Mar 25 01:02:56 and anything ever come of the CSS theming? Mar 25 01:03:08 AnOutsider: nothing new in the repo Mar 25 01:04:26 OK, had no time since yesterday morning when I finally got the service working. Didn't want to start fiddling if someone else had done something in the interim Mar 25 01:04:27 whats good Mar 25 01:04:35 Terminus is in the 'unknown' type [preware] Mar 25 01:08:18 rod, had a question Mar 25 01:08:40 if you checked off say 3 apps and hit save, I assume it would need to call save for each one individually, wait for a response, then call the next in the list Mar 25 01:10:37 oc80z: I just fixed that, should appear in the feeds soon Mar 25 01:10:44 AnOutsider: correct Mar 25 01:11:10 AnOutsider: and if an error occurs, stop. Mar 25 01:21:17 ~testing-feed Mar 25 01:21:22 ~testing feed Mar 25 01:21:26 ~testingfeed Mar 25 01:21:33 damn u bot Mar 25 01:21:40 hi all Mar 25 01:39:23 :-) Mar 25 01:44:41 so... I actually had a very nice Sprint Pre repair/replacement Mar 25 01:45:32 That's good. Mar 25 01:45:44 my touchscreen failed Mar 25 01:46:17 had to find the sprint repair depot... but once I did Mar 25 01:47:01 took about 30 minutes to get through line and for them to let me know that I was going to get a replacement Mar 25 01:47:35 and about an hour today for them to reactivate and test everyting with me (my battery was dead, and they don't replace batteries when replacing phone) Mar 25 01:48:10 which unfortunately is status quo Mar 25 01:48:12 it's also a hardware update Mar 25 01:48:19 and I'll live with Mar 25 01:48:47 the touch screen is different from the original Mar 25 01:49:13 on my first there is that : : pattern across the front Mar 25 01:49:26 on the new one it looks like :x: (x from dot to dot) Mar 25 01:49:40 interesting note Mar 25 01:50:06 in the back Mar 25 01:50:24 the area unbder the battery Mar 25 01:50:34 they now have a battery insertion guide Mar 25 01:50:44 (around the touchstone contacts) Mar 25 01:52:25 zsoc: is there any information that might help you once I get back to 1.4.0 Mar 25 01:52:42 and get preware back Mar 25 01:52:49 Lumiere: ... not me personally no? Mar 25 01:53:00 zsoc: s/you/webos-internals/ Mar 25 01:53:16 not sure.. generally we're not hardware people so much Mar 25 01:53:43 not hardware people ?! Mar 25 01:53:54 ok, just me i suppose Mar 25 01:53:59 I only thought you might care due to the change in a HAL device Mar 25 01:54:03 I mean I'm a hardware person, but in a software kind of way Mar 25 01:54:08 lol Mar 25 01:56:12 I forgot how much I miss the unlimit downloads patch Mar 25 01:56:47 downloading 1.4.0 OTA via wifi hurts Mar 25 01:59:29 ${MAKE} -C ../../packages/$$dep stage || exit 1 ; \ Mar 25 02:00:12 I have been staring at this line of code now for 10 minutes **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 02:04:33 2010 Mar 25 02:32:54 jacques: yt? Mar 25 02:42:22 I think im gonna call it a night Mar 25 02:42:31 got save screen mostly working. no error checking on submit tho Mar 25 02:42:44 AnOutsider: checked in? Mar 25 02:42:50 not yet Mar 25 02:43:00 cleaning up Mar 25 02:43:14 can you check it in before you call it a night? Mar 25 02:43:20 course Mar 25 02:43:23 thx Mar 25 02:46:09 jacques: ping--you had a q about matchbox or cairo or something? Mar 25 02:48:30 howdy dtzWill Mar 25 02:49:35 jacques: 'ello :) Mar 25 02:50:20 sorry dtzWill trying to do too many things at once Mar 25 02:50:35 I think I just just wondering why cairo is in nonworking Mar 25 02:51:40 jacques: everything x-related is in nonworking, despite it, in fact, being quite working Mar 25 02:51:54 dtzWill: yeah it seems to be to be quite working too Mar 25 02:52:01 to me Mar 25 02:52:04 jacques: because ii didn't wanna cluter the main area that is auto-built .... not *everyone* wants all that stuff Mar 25 02:52:12 blah Mar 25 02:52:17 dtzWill: yeah, we went over most of that earlier lol, that's why I'm trying to think of a way to fix the dep building issue so i can move everything/organize Mar 25 02:52:20 ain't pretty, but this should get the job down for now Mar 25 02:52:25 yeah, OK Mar 25 02:52:27 jacques: zsoc primarily is going to... yeah like he said :) Mar 25 02:52:39 jacques: kk, just wanted to make sure you weren't having issues :) Mar 25 02:52:40 :-) Mar 25 02:52:44 except i have no actual useful ability or talent to do any of that lol Mar 25 02:55:27 rwhitby: can you verify it committed? Mar 25 02:55:30 and that you can run it Mar 25 02:55:43 woman wants me in bed.. Mar 25 02:56:23 AnOutsider: did you push it Mar 25 02:56:33 I staged changes Mar 25 02:56:35 then hit commit Mar 25 02:56:40 in the GUI, so I assume so Mar 25 02:56:45 you need to push too Mar 25 02:57:12 ok lets see Mar 25 02:57:28 t you from losing history, non-fast-forward updates were rejected Merge the remote changes before pushing again. See the 'Note about fast-forwards' section of 'git push --help' for details. Pushing to git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git To git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast-forward) error: failed to push some refs to 'git@git.webos- Mar 25 02:57:36 guess I gotta pull down most recent first Mar 25 02:58:06 yep Mar 25 02:58:33 probably the new scripts I added last night for splashid and more games Mar 25 02:59:50 ok says syccess Mar 25 02:59:55 tho I dont see anything on the site **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 02:59:57 2010