**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 11 02:59:56 2010 Apr 11 03:00:04 geist, so the cache in the a8 is 32kb total for L1, and 256kb total for L2 .. so you're saying there are 512 lines in the L1 close for fetching ? Apr 11 03:00:17 (omap3530 is my reference point here) Apr 11 03:00:36 guess so, yeah Apr 11 03:00:53 i forget how the a8's cache is laid out Apr 11 03:01:04 though you can download it from arm's site Apr 11 03:01:13 think it's 4 way set associative Apr 11 03:01:18 i never got that detailed into CPU architecture and only in an academic sense :( Apr 11 03:03:36 oh well .. maybe someone smarter than me will have the same idea at some point in time Apr 11 03:03:43 and actually do something with it Apr 11 03:04:49 on a completely unrelated subject, i am urging my friend to get himself a ridiculously expensive espresso machine just because he really wants it Apr 11 03:05:32 hah Apr 11 03:05:50 it's a really nice machine: http://vimeo.com/10259297 Apr 11 03:17:00 Is 40C bad? Apr 11 03:17:23 it's a little hot Apr 11 03:17:45 well i'm 800mhz, and i've been playing this game for an hour while plugged into a 500ma power source Apr 11 03:18:01 Dungeon Hunter is really polished btw. Apr 11 03:18:07 oh jeeze, that is pretty cool then Apr 11 03:18:40 is that die temp or battery temp ? Apr 11 03:18:52 battery i think Apr 11 03:18:58 cause that's the only temp sensor on a pre Apr 11 03:19:06 right, battery Apr 11 03:19:11 which means i have no idea what the cpu is doing Apr 11 03:19:16 it could be melting as we speak Apr 11 03:19:35 geist, smartreflex has some adc built in i thought to check the die temp ? Apr 11 03:19:39 feel the back of the screen Apr 11 03:19:48 that's where the cpu is Apr 11 03:20:05 back of the screen? Apr 11 03:20:10 you mean the front of the screen? Apr 11 03:20:17 well, slide it open, the metal bits behind the screen Apr 11 03:20:19 slide it up and touch there? Apr 11 03:20:25 about where the two pieces meet Apr 11 03:20:25 ooo Apr 11 03:20:39 about middle, centered about level with the usb connector Apr 11 03:20:57 interesting. good to know if nothing else. Apr 11 03:21:08 air conditions work wonder. let it blow for a minute and it's ice cold Apr 11 03:31:25 How can I run "make stage" ( http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK ) without error? I have manually downloaded webosdoctor100ewwsprint.jar. Apr 11 03:33:31 sethron: sometimes you have to run it a few times consecutively, compiling large things seems to break sometimes in scratchbox2 Apr 11 03:34:20 If I execute "make stage" in /srv/preware/cross-compile with the webosdoctor...jar file in that directory, will it matter? Apr 11 03:38:06 well the webosdoctor jar needs to be in the download directory Apr 11 03:38:29 it'll grab it automatically if it's not there though Apr 11 03:40:14 dtzWill / rwhitby / zsoc / anyone: has anyone made any progress on using Palm's PDK in Linux? Apr 11 03:40:19 Ok, i just moved it to that folder. Apr 11 03:41:14 I know someone was messing with modifying the OSX DMG one, but I don't remember what tool they ended up using to extract the DMG in linux Apr 11 03:43:14 also is it me or does it seem like no official PDK in linux is a huge oversight? Apr 11 03:44:17 destinal: why? Apr 11 03:44:25 destinal: Isn't that what webos-internals is for? Apr 11 03:45:17 its a beta, they said linux support was coming later :) Apr 11 03:45:44 hey rwhitby, you around by chance? Apr 11 03:46:17 It does seem that the Win32 version of the Palm PDK contains items that mimic native Linux commands. Apr 11 03:47:31 destinal: I just started "make stage", and there are items downloading in the "doctors" folder. Apr 11 03:48:27 sethron: secretly the Palm PDK contains the entire WIDK Apr 11 03:51:03 zsoc: Reading the Makefile, you're correct. Apr 11 03:53:21 sethron: more likely, you're mistaken about what and where you had downloaded/cloned things Apr 11 03:58:59 dtzWill: current build.git should build a better kernel, using the right toolchain now Apr 11 04:08:05 oil: ah, still, OSX and not Linux. bah Apr 11 04:08:58 if the final will include linux support, that's ok though I guess. still, someone did something with PDK in linux but I haven't heard anything since .. hmm Apr 11 04:09:28 anyone manage to paste to novaterm in win7? Apr 11 04:17:00 * rwhitby tries the palm kernel built with cs2007q3 Apr 11 04:18:15 hopefully no crashes Apr 11 04:19:28 rwhitby: working better? Apr 11 04:31:45 yo Apr 11 04:32:53 sbromwich: around ? Apr 11 04:34:47 anyone familiar with linksys routers post cisco aquisition? Apr 11 04:35:04 they got more ram afaik Apr 11 04:35:18 LarrySteeze: www.openwrt.org Apr 11 04:35:33 rwhitby: how'd the new kernel go? :). also maybe I'm strange but I kinda wanna know why 07q3 bs 08q1 caused failures in the manner it did o_O Apr 11 04:35:49 dtzWill: new kernel works nicely Apr 11 04:35:51 I'll check it out. Thanks. Apr 11 04:36:06 rwhitby: great. :) Apr 11 04:36:10 dtzWill: just cleaning up the package meta-data so it looks good when listed in Preware Apr 11 04:36:48 oh and while i'm at it, know any good resources where I can learn how to encode audio files? or possibly any open source projects? Apr 11 04:37:19 LarrySteeze: http://lame.sourceforge.net/ Apr 11 04:37:34 I am finally able to access the mic drivers, but it's encoding as a black screen video essentially Apr 11 04:37:50 thanks Apr 11 04:48:09 00.11.50.19.97.f2 Apr 11 04:59:17 dtzWill: I've pushed my meta-data changes, please try a build now Apr 11 05:52:04 http://pastebin.com/Kjc8JnSD Did I bork the WIDK install? Apr 11 07:03:13 * Jack87|wIRC is making a stero bluetooth helmet for his pre Apr 11 07:09:36 ahh right side speaker is too weak. needs to be right against ear Apr 11 07:11:39 nice! managed to put it in a nice spot! success!! Apr 11 07:15:09 is jack alone? Apr 11 07:26:07 * ka6sox is banging around trying to finish working so he can go to bed. Apr 11 07:27:37 yay! bluetooth stero music wirelessly straight to the helmet! Apr 11 07:28:35 nice Apr 11 07:28:55 might motivate me to actually wear it :) Apr 11 07:29:39 bike or motorcycle/ Apr 11 07:29:41 ? Apr 11 07:30:00 motorcycle Apr 11 07:31:36 the helmet came with BT built in but it was mono only pretty lame. had an older motorola bt headset that had broke I took it apart and used one of the speakers ran wire from the current speaker to this one soldered both ends placed it in ear bad cusion of helmet. and it almost feels like true stero Apr 11 07:32:53 but when thinking about I can't see why one can't just take a stero BT headset apart and simply run speakers to each end and mount it in any helmet Apr 11 07:33:46 except they often aren't thin enough Apr 11 07:34:08 I'll show you what I am working with Apr 11 07:34:49 the very first stero BT motorola released (thickest you can find probably) Apr 11 07:34:57 when taken apart it's perfect Apr 11 07:35:31 I had to use heat gun to melt the glew that was holding the wire inside the plastic thing that goes around back of head Apr 11 07:37:49 so you are going touse the Pre to power this? Apr 11 07:37:56 (as in provide the music) Apr 11 07:38:30 ka6sox: yes Apr 11 07:38:34 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_5?qid=1270971438&a=B0016I6GUS&sr=8-5 Apr 11 07:39:16 that's basically the same thing I used... although my is motorola brand exact same form factor and thickness but you just take it apart. Apr 11 07:39:53 sounds "good" Apr 11 07:40:14 ya not too bad... the stock speaker isn't as good quality Apr 11 07:40:38 I'm pretty picky about quality of sound so not too bad is pretty darn good Apr 11 07:40:42 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_10?qid=1270971438&a=B0028LP694&sr=8-10 Apr 11 07:41:23 this one is almost ready to go... haha controls might be hard... but for those who can mount phone to the bike they can just control via phone Apr 11 07:42:18 I almost want to mount the other speaker to where the stock speaker is and maybe move the stock speaker to the back Apr 11 07:45:12 I took photos! Apr 11 07:45:12 6.1 helmet sound Apr 11 07:45:24 2.1 haha but yes :) Apr 11 07:52:05 can't use pre cam and music @ same time :( Apr 11 08:36:00 moin Apr 11 08:36:55 made quick little post to share motorcycle BT helmet photos Apr 11 08:36:59 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/241206-stero-bluetooth-motorcycle-helmet-mod.html Apr 11 09:57:26 rwhitby: Is there a script/command in the WIDK to create a ipk out of the 'make stage' results? Apr 11 09:57:52 at the moment I manually copy the files from my build machine to the Pre. Apr 11 09:58:10 * hape_ never worked with building a ipk package Apr 11 09:58:49 hape_: not yet, no Apr 11 10:05:07 ok, found some infos on the web an will give them a try Apr 11 10:12:06 hape_: look in preware/build.git/toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-build Apr 11 10:34:23 thanks Apr 11 10:39:58 is there a reason that all subfolders of /var/preferences have such tight permissions? Apr 11 10:40:44 actually not all of them Apr 11 10:41:23 but e.g. /var/preferences/com.palm.bluetooth is d-------- Apr 11 10:41:42 interesting - hadn't noticed that before Apr 11 10:41:52 tripped my rsync of /var up Apr 11 10:42:28 i want to poke around the databases a bit Apr 11 10:42:50 I love Palm for using sqlite and not some proprietary junk Apr 11 10:43:48 When I wanted to migrate from my E71 to the Pre I nearly threw that Nokia piece-o-shit out the window because there was no good way to get to _my_ data in a usefull form Apr 11 10:44:07 at least not an obvious one for me Apr 11 11:22:47 rwhitby: are there any definition for the version nubmering. Apr 11 11:23:04 I would like to go for: Version: 0.2.0 3110M 100411 Apr 11 11:23:23 '0.2.0 3110M' Is the Navit version Apr 11 11:24:03 and '100411' would be the build number of today to be able to check the crosscompile version Apr 11 11:26:59 hape_: palm requires X.Y.Z Apr 11 11:28:40 we extend it to X.Y.Z-N for Preware Apr 11 11:29:07 so I would use 0.2.0-1, and put the other numbers in the ChangeLog Apr 11 11:30:38 ok Apr 11 11:31:11 and then increment -N each time you release Apr 11 11:43:03 Hey, does anyone know if or where texts are stored in the pre filesystem? Apr 11 11:46:36 Kreiger: /media/internal/ Apr 11 11:46:38 rwhitby: I'm right the I only need to include the folders below /media/cyptofs/apps/ ? Apr 11 11:47:07 hape_: for what purpose? Apr 11 11:48:05 the ipk description i would said the i need to have to create the complete filesestem in my folder for ipkd-build script Apr 11 11:48:46 when I install the result it creates : /media/cryptofs/apps/mendia/cryptofs/apps/.... Apr 11 11:48:54 on the device Apr 11 11:49:01 I'm trying to write an upstart script for openvpn and the daemon keeps dying when called from the script but not when started by hand... what am i missing? Apr 11 11:53:01 hape_: ipkg is called with -o /media/crypotofs/apps, so you need to treat that as / Apr 11 11:53:33 ok Apr 11 11:53:41 asmw: upstart scripts are incredibly difficult to debug. you can try strace PID 1 Apr 11 11:53:57 hmm Apr 11 11:54:07 rwhitby: thanks, I'll try Apr 11 11:54:49 rwhitby: strace -p 1 says operation not permitted?!? But I'm root... Apr 11 11:55:47 hmm - dunno then Apr 11 12:05:50 * hape_ craeted his firsr two Pre ipk pagese :-) Apr 11 12:06:05 Alpha versions of Navit and espeak Apr 11 12:08:10 Navit stil likes to crash after some time. But it is usable with speak outbut for alpha testing Apr 11 12:08:25 hape_: nice Apr 11 12:09:04 asmw: The main thanks go to noradtux. I only helped with testing and now building Apr 11 12:10:27 rwhitby: preware lists them as 'unknown' packages. I'm right that I need to include the right info in the ipkd source tag to fix this? Apr 11 12:10:43 hape_: why not use the preware/build.git infrastructure for building the packages? Apr 11 12:11:00 (like all the other packages in the feeds in ipkg.preware.org) Apr 11 12:11:47 hape_: e.g. http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=apps/sdlquake/Makefile Apr 11 12:14:31 rwhitby: at the moment both packages are in nonworking. There are still some fixes needed before we can go to the big groups. Apr 11 12:15:33 at the moment I planned to put the two alpha ipk's as attachments in a forum post. Apr 11 12:16:18 we could try it for espeak, but this do not have any icon. As is is only called by other appliactions with the text to speak as a parameter Apr 11 12:18:00 rwhitby: I would like to apply for a git edit access. Are you the right peron for that? Apr 11 12:19:44 hape_: yep Apr 11 12:20:31 hape_: create your first package in the preware/build.git/nonworking/ area, so we can review before release to testing feed Apr 11 12:22:50 upstart sucks chocolate salty balls Apr 11 12:25:46 gaaaaah Apr 11 12:26:09 at least it spawns _one_ instance Apr 11 12:28:55 asmw: put 1>&2 >/tmp/foo.log on every line Apr 11 12:29:09 or 1&>2, I forget Apr 11 12:29:24 been there Apr 11 12:29:51 it seems as if upstart doesn't like forking multiple daemons Apr 11 12:30:39 the init scripts a was using where going through a config directory and spawn one instance of openvpn for every config Apr 11 12:31:00 i wanted to replicate that behaviour, but i guess it's a bad idea anyway Apr 11 12:31:16 i'd prefer controlling which instances to start via dbus i huess Apr 11 12:31:23 s/huess/guess/ Apr 11 12:31:23 asmw meant: i'd prefer controlling which instances to start via dbus i guess Apr 11 12:35:43 asmw: I'd write a service for it, and have the mojo control the service Apr 11 12:36:04 if the service runs an SDL app for each connection, then you'd get a card for each connection Apr 11 12:38:13 ok, then upstart would spawn the service daemon and i could poke it via dbus to spawn openvpn instances? Apr 11 12:38:27 that's my current approach Apr 11 12:38:47 though it doesn't spawn any cards, just vpn tunnels Apr 11 12:48:14 asmw: yep, that's what I would do Apr 11 12:48:27 asmw: look at saverestore for a good example of a C service Apr 11 12:48:36 rwhitby: thanks Apr 11 12:49:13 uNiXpSyChO: ok, uber-kernel-pre is in the hardware testing feed, with all options available, but all set to stock values on boot waiting for other scripts/programs to adjust them Apr 11 13:27:58 Hi all, has anyone represented webos-internals at any conferences other than SCALE? Apr 11 13:37:11 * mjkjr found a game to add to Save/Restore Apr 11 13:40:56 Meep: swiss open expo Apr 11 13:57:17 think I finally found the save files for Gangstar, now looking at the scripts for Save/Restore on Git trying to put it all together O.o Apr 11 14:06:27 mjkjr: SRCDIR and FILES is usually all you need for gameloft games Apr 11 14:08:01 I came up with 'Gangstar2.preferences' and 'Gangstar2.sav' ? and then started looking at the other scripts Apr 11 14:08:35 and then i came up with something like this http://webos.pastebin.com/ktutecHL lol Apr 11 14:08:59 but of course i don't know what i'm doing Apr 11 14:12:53 mjkjr: if the capitalisation is correct, then that looks right Apr 11 14:22:08 rwhitby, i'm not sure if the capitalization is correct i had to assume, that's the output through QI Apr 11 14:22:45 when i run ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.gameloft.app.gangstar/Gangstar/ in any terminal window besides QI it cuts off and i can't see the top of the list because it's so long Apr 11 14:25:50 * nt4cats just found his Palm Pilot Personal (USR-branded) last night. Apr 11 14:34:51 ok, this is correct capitalization now i believe http://webos.pastebin.com/ETWHqpRg Apr 11 14:36:50 those orange-sym-something keycode, anyone know if one could add some custom ones, e.g. for a lunasysmgr restart? Apr 11 14:38:15 rwhitby: how can i test if that script will work now? Apr 11 14:38:44 mjkjr: put it in /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/ Apr 11 14:44:09 what file type are they? like ."?" Apr 11 14:44:55 no file type Apr 11 14:46:42 oh, lol. my understanding was that i could save the script and then send the file to /var/svc/org.webosinternals/saverestore/ Apr 11 14:46:55 that is correct Apr 11 14:47:57 you need to name it the same as the appid Apr 11 14:52:10 rwhitby, i was overthinking it, sending file now. Apr 11 14:55:20 got this weird message "mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Apr 11 14:55:50 mjkjr: yep, reboot to clear it Apr 11 14:56:54 so what is a simple explanation for what that message means or what causes it, i'm just curious Apr 11 14:57:49 because right before that it said my file was successfully sent, so it just kind of threw me off Apr 11 15:00:43 we have no idea what causes it. it means that the mount -o remount failed for some reason Apr 11 15:02:03 * rwhitby just used orange+tap to uninstall a custom kernel Apr 11 15:02:39 wow Apr 11 15:04:26 rwhitby, so i sent the file w/o error message this time. does it require a reboot to show in save/restore? Apr 11 15:04:31 no Apr 11 15:05:16 hmmm Apr 11 15:07:04 saved the file as com.gameloft.app.gangstar in gedit, sent to /var/svc/org.webosinternals/saverestore/ but don't see anything different in save/restore Apr 11 15:08:39 rwhitby, any further ones planned? Apr 11 15:08:55 I'm finishing my presentation for celf. Apr 11 15:09:28 Meep: none known at the moment Apr 11 15:10:15 Okay. I'll just include the 2 for the moment. Apr 11 15:10:47 rboatright did the Pre dev conference Apr 11 15:11:18 (last year) Apr 11 15:11:48 he presented there. Apr 11 15:11:53 ka6sox: oh, yeah. The Sprint Developers Conference Apr 11 15:11:59 Meep: so that's 3. Apr 11 15:12:02 yea... Apr 11 15:12:11 lol, i bet i found my problem, i sent the file to /var/svc/org.webosinternals/saverestore/ Apr 11 15:12:14 Okay. Apr 11 15:12:16 and he did the PreDevCamp in Kansas Apr 11 15:12:19 so that's 4 Apr 11 15:12:40 thx ka6sox Apr 11 15:12:48 np. Apr 11 15:13:03 had a " / " instead of a " . " Apr 11 15:13:46 Meep: Rick also asked some questions of Ben & Mitch at the Sprint Developer Conference, and we got the quote at the top of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room :-) Apr 11 15:16:10 * rwhitby bbl (now on holidays, with no broadband, so responses will be significantly delayed) Apr 11 15:16:43 rwhitby enjoy! Apr 11 15:17:39 fyi got gangstar to show in save/restore, my script failed but i'll get it figured out. Apr 11 15:18:43 BTW, for my presentation on Monday afternoon, I'm deep diving in what the webos-internals crowd has done with minimal help from Palm. Apr 11 15:19:09 * mjkjr just learned how important capitalization is in linux Apr 11 15:22:29 I've got a pretty hurt Sprint Palm Pre here...I can't even figure out how to Dr. it - hopefully someone can help Apr 11 15:23:11 found a nick - sheesh Apr 11 15:23:43 Here is what is happening, as soon as I plug the battery in, the screen shows the palm boot logo Apr 11 15:24:18 the only way can get it to emergency boot recovery is to pull the batter and then use the up volume and power key Apr 11 15:24:56 But WebOS Doctor will not recognize it or give me a Next button Apr 11 15:25:29 * mjkjr is 99% sure his script to save Gangstar for Save/Restore is working now =D Apr 11 15:25:34 I have put in the battery and let the device sit for 20 or 30 minutes with no change Apr 11 15:26:27 with the battery in and the phone plugged into usb, my computer shows a drive assigned to the device, but nothin in it Apr 11 15:27:43 Happened sometime after removing the 800 kernal. I'd rather not go to Sprint with all the patches in there etc Apr 11 15:27:53 any help? Apr 11 15:28:00 Ideas? Apr 11 15:28:47 * mjkjr would like to know how he could add this save/restore script to git Apr 11 15:32:12 Hey Apr 11 15:33:36 can anyone give me pointers on how to Doctor my bricked Pre? Apr 11 15:34:34 db2: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Apr 11 15:35:02 I tried that, believe me Apr 11 15:35:37 The problem is the as soon as I put in the battery, the palm boot logo comes up Apr 11 15:35:47 no response to the power key whatsoever Apr 11 15:36:35 i believe you hold the volume up button while you connect power Apr 11 15:36:36 I tried pulling the battery and using USB power to put it into the emergency booloader with the USB light, and that works, but the Docor won't see it I think because there is no battery Apr 11 15:37:01 If I then put the battery back in, the palm logo appears again Apr 11 15:37:26 The PC assigns it a drive at that point, but the drive is empty and the Docter will not talk to ir Apr 11 15:37:30 hold the volume up key before and after you put the battery back in Apr 11 15:37:42 ok, tryin that now Apr 11 15:39:05 This time, I got the USB symbol instead of the battery or the palm logo when I plugged the battery in Apr 11 15:39:14 but the Docter is no go Apr 11 15:39:35 ...wait is happening now...thanks for the idea! Apr 11 15:40:35 Getting greedy now.... Apr 11 15:40:53 you're welcome, good luck Apr 11 15:41:26 If I want to try and save anything on the /media/internals partition, I can novacmd into it before the Doctor is finished? Apr 11 15:42:13 Or is that asking too much? :-) Apr 11 15:42:17 i really think that would have to be done from usb mode before starting a doctor, also the doctor probably won't erase that Apr 11 15:42:44 ok, not the end of life as I know it if I lose it Apr 11 15:42:50 I'll let it finish Apr 11 15:43:06 thanks again for the idea on getting that to happen Apr 11 15:44:34 well depending what doctor version you're using it may or may not touch that portion Apr 11 15:44:37 Looking around in the phone app, I see some stuff labeled CNAP which looks like a caller ID. Anyone know anything about this? I was thinking to use http://developer.whitepages.com/docs/Methods/reverse_phone to get an online lookup but perhaps there's something built-in already? Apr 11 15:45:09 if you're taking your device to sprint i'd say do a full erase then doctor. Apr 11 15:52:09 yes, well I won't have to take it to Sprint if it Doctors, and I'm not sure how I could do a full erase without Doctoring it. Apr 11 15:52:56 I was running 1.4.11 and that is what I am doctoring with Apr 11 15:53:53 my concern about the /media.internals though is that i was running a debsmall image from that partition - that I don't care about, but recently snapped some movies of my kid I would like have Apr 11 15:54:10 we'll see Apr 11 15:54:27 1.4.1.1 Apr 11 15:56:49 FYI doctoring it will not erase the media/internal Apr 11 15:57:34 only prior to 1.3.1 correct? Apr 11 15:58:02 That has been my experience, (not the first time I have Doctored), but I have heard of those who have lost everything in the phone Apr 11 15:59:05 And was conjecturing that perhaps with that fairly large (1 G) debian image it might flag as a bad partition or what have you Apr 11 16:34:40 This patch makes cross-compile work-for-me(TM) http://webos.pastebin.com/q5FGm3qk Apr 11 16:40:28 hmmm Doctor failed Apr 11 16:43:32 I do recall some procedure that would reset the phone to a brand new state, erasing everything, anyone know what that is? Apr 11 16:44:06 isn't that doctoring? Apr 11 16:44:32 db2: a full erase will erase everything, but it isn't as complete as doctoring Apr 11 16:44:36 I had to replcae a phone, and Sprint gave me some procedure that would erase all personal info from the phone Apr 11 16:45:05 db2: I think that a full erase should remove all personal data from the phone, yes. Apr 11 16:45:27 Well, I docotred and when it rebooted, I waited about 20 minutes and it stayed on the Palm logo Apr 11 16:46:09 db2: I recall reading that you can use novacom to connect to your phone during the boot process and see what is going on Apr 11 16:46:30 yep Apr 11 16:46:39 db2: I haven't done this myself, but I saw reference to it when I doctored my own phone before 1.4 came out Apr 11 16:47:25 db2: but I just read recent channel history and it looks like you've docotored a lot more than I Apr 11 16:48:50 haven't played with novocom in almost a year Apr 11 16:49:10 well, I doctored this morning and the time before that was probably Novemnber 09 Apr 11 16:49:43 db2: I doctored twice on the same day a few days before 1.4 came out, that's it for me. Apr 11 16:50:33 ( 1/2 of my motivation for doctoring at that point was just so that I could see what doctoring was all about ...) Apr 11 16:50:45 am trying Doc visit #2 now Apr 11 16:51:10 db2: the more beer you drink during the doctoring process the better it goes, by the way. Apr 11 16:51:23 good advice Apr 11 16:51:33 no matter what Apr 11 16:54:32 db2: and don't forget "doctor rollforward pre to end of logs and stop" Apr 11 16:55:03 what? Apr 11 16:55:11 * nt4cats is assuming you're a db2 guy, if so that would look familiar Apr 11 16:55:34 after restoring an online backup to db2 you need to "roll it forward" Apr 11 16:55:47 nah, my nick elsewhere is db, but that ond 1 are taken :-) Apr 11 16:55:51 I gotcha Apr 11 16:56:19 got novaterm working and am in, but not sure what to look for except maybe tops?? Apr 11 16:58:03 well, that drama is done. took al look at media/internal and it is empty Apr 11 16:58:25 ls -a Apr 11 17:00:55 Meep, you still here? Apr 11 17:02:01 db2: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_to_recover Apr 11 17:02:13 been there and done that Apr 11 17:02:20 db2: that link tells you what is going on at different phases in the doctoring process, and lists some logs to look at Apr 11 17:02:36 thanks, I guess I forgot about the logs Apr 11 17:03:50 db2: hmm it looks like the only log it refrences is a doctor log on your PC Apr 11 17:12:03 yo Apr 11 17:12:45 rats, I hate it when people spread wrong information :P Apr 11 17:17:56 Palm has supported us...they sent 200 books on webos development and 4 phones when we were demoing @ SCALE. Apr 11 17:18:31 oh - is that all?! Apr 11 17:18:40 heh Apr 11 17:18:57 thats just what I personally know about! (because they sent them to me) Apr 11 18:01:19 so anyone know how to erase a PalmPre that won't boot? Apr 11 18:10:03 db2: press the volume up button as you connect it to the webosdr? Apr 11 18:10:52 I've got it to were the Doctor connects and runs to completion, tells me it is done and my phoone is rebooting. Apr 11 18:11:23 but after 20 mins, my phone is still stuck on the Palm logo Apr 11 18:11:39 It shows all the proper screens during the Doctor process Apr 11 18:19:41 hello? Apr 11 18:20:05 i am having trouble intalling preware on my pre Apr 11 18:20:12 oh noes! Apr 11 18:20:40 haha Apr 11 18:21:09 i was using web os quickinstall and it cant find my device when i hook it up Apr 11 18:21:25 that isn't any good .. are you following some tutorial somewhere ? Apr 11 18:21:55 yah, but windows keeps trying to install software for my pre but cant find any, maybe thats why? Apr 11 18:22:38 yeah i have no idea personally .. but i hear this is an accepted tutorial: http://install.preware.org/ Apr 11 18:22:55 ok thanks Apr 11 19:47:19 howdy Apr 11 19:48:08 jacques_pre: hello : Apr 11 19:48:11 *:) Apr 11 19:49:40 hey dtzWill Apr 11 19:50:14 i'm on plane waiting to take off for SFO Apr 11 19:50:28 which airport are you in now ? Apr 11 19:51:22 IAH Apr 11 19:52:24 is anyone going to the CELF embedded linux conference? Apr 11 19:53:45 we're already delayed 30 minutes (probably due to weather) Apr 11 19:54:46 oops gotta turn off radios Apr 11 20:05:00 ok so now we're not taking off for another hour Apr 11 20:05:29 we pulled away from the walkway and then back Apr 11 20:06:41 strangely, they are letting us de-plane if we want to Apr 11 20:12:15 wb Apr 11 20:14:20 thanks :-| Apr 11 20:15:35 now they're saying we can't get off and push-back is in 15 minutes Apr 11 20:16:06 thats weather delays! Apr 11 20:16:12 airplane drama .. ah Apr 11 20:17:11 I can probably slip a couple more hours before I have transportation issues in san francisco Apr 11 20:18:34 big storm covering the bay area Apr 11 20:18:36 we are getting weather here now. Apr 11 20:18:40 yep.. Apr 11 20:19:02 ka6sox: a nice change from the quakes? Apr 11 20:19:19 not earthquake weather at least! Apr 11 20:19:46 I read there were a few more yesterday Apr 11 20:20:05 I lived thru the Easter earthquake. Apr 11 20:20:33 rocked us pretty good. Apr 11 20:20:44 I'm glad Apr 11 20:21:47 it's kinda hot and humid on this plane Apr 11 20:22:01 gotta get the A/C cranking Apr 11 20:22:37 I wish they would. it's blowing tepid air now Apr 11 20:24:52 well..my pre was in San Jose yesterday. Apr 11 20:24:52 and after we push back, we won't teke off for 38 minutes Apr 11 20:26:08 sigh, I wish I had power to charge my pre right now Apr 11 20:27:48 back to airplane mode Apr 11 20:30:42 morning uNiXpSyChO Apr 11 20:30:54 morning/evening Apr 11 20:52:09 morning Apr 11 20:52:44 uNiXpSyChO: the kernel built from repo is of dubious quality again - it was working with Glyder2 yesterday, then I refactored the build scripts, and now it doesn't :-( Apr 11 20:53:23 uNiXpSyChO: but I did do the defconfig-safe.patch - can you review that please? that will be uber-kernel's defaults Apr 11 20:54:56 rwhitby: go on vacation! Apr 11 20:55:31 bpadalino: 6:30am, breakfast, flight at 8:45am :) Apr 11 20:55:56 alright.. i'll let it slide :) Apr 11 20:56:07 * dthought wants an hbci banking application for webos. Apr 11 20:56:21 bpadalino: just testing the kernel prerm Apr 11 20:58:54 rwhitby: i know the vermagic is picky once some things are changed. let me look at the config Apr 11 20:59:14 uNiXpSyChO: only changed the foo2@bar infor Apr 11 21:00:24 rwhitby: in the config? Apr 11 21:00:38 uNiXpSyChO: on the compile command line Apr 11 21:00:50 ok, at least the prem works now Apr 11 21:01:19 so you can install a kernel with palm=install, and remove via preware Apr 11 21:02:10 once we generate a correct appinfo.json, you'll get an icon for your kernel, and be able to orange+tap it away Apr 11 21:02:42 I also put support for palm-kernel-pre and uber-kernel-pre in save/restore Apr 11 21:03:01 is it on preware right now? Apr 11 21:03:07 no Apr 11 21:03:42 oh, just noticed the other window... Apr 11 21:04:38 anyone who wants to test can build from the git repo Apr 11 21:17:57 * rwhitby bbl (on holidays for a week) Apr 11 21:39:23 yawn, I left the channel 5 min ago and it was full of kernel hacking goodness Apr 11 21:39:36 I'm back, so you can continue now. thanks for waiting :) Apr 11 21:41:16 autobuilder kernel packages are br0k3n Apr 11 21:41:51 uNiXpSyChO: yeah seemed like it last time I tried. so it's not the compiler version, or at least not *just* the compiler version Apr 11 21:42:54 the compiler version matters. the packages dont install/uninstall correctly Apr 11 21:43:43 uNiXpSyChO: oh, okay. gotcha Apr 11 21:43:52 Hey, I have nova* + WebOS Quick Install + (plus the stuff that had me install) and my computer still isn't recognizing the Pre. Dmesg shows: "usb 2-1.2: USB disconnect, address 51 Apr 11 21:43:53 usb 2-1.2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 52 Apr 11 21:43:53 usb 2-1.2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub Apr 11 21:43:53 usb 2-1.2: no configuration chosen from 1 choice" Apr 11 21:57:11 kevlar0: did you restart after enabling dev mode? Apr 11 21:57:40 yup Apr 11 22:04:54 kevlar0: distro? :) jic it changes anything Apr 11 22:06:01 running gentoo on an amd64 system Apr 11 22:07:06 PuffTheMagic: ^^^^ you know of anything tricky about getting gentoo to play nice with your pre? Apr 11 22:13:25 kevlar0: "ps -e|grep novacomd" ? Apr 11 22:14:30 kevlar0: "novacom -l" does in fact show no devices, right? :) Apr 11 22:15:03 # ps -e|grep novacomd [ 5:06PM] Apr 11 22:15:03 123:30687 pts/0 00:00:00 novacomd Apr 11 22:15:29 novacom -l displays nothing Apr 11 22:15:50 kevlar0: is /media/internal mounted if you put your Pre in usb moe? Apr 11 22:15:53 s/moe/mode/ Apr 11 22:15:53 zsoc meant: kevlar0: is /media/internal mounted if you put your Pre in usb mode? Apr 11 22:16:34 kevlar0: when you plug your usb in, does the device bug ya about various options--usb mode, charging, media sync or w/e ? Apr 11 22:16:47 no Apr 11 22:16:54 o_O good thing I asked Apr 11 22:17:11 hm.. it's ohci_hcd then Apr 11 22:17:16 do /other/ usb devices work? Apr 11 22:17:32 mouse + keyboard is usb Apr 11 22:17:33 that require power, like usb powered hard drive? Apr 11 22:17:41 thumdrive + external hadrive worked yesterday Apr 11 22:17:46 hmm.. Apr 11 22:17:54 and it charges the pre as well Apr 11 22:18:10 There's probably a way to restart ohci_hcd, but that's tmzt_ territory, not sure if he's aroudn Apr 11 22:18:21 kevlar0: i know this is a sacriledge question, but for ease could you try restarting? Apr 11 22:18:32 desktop or pre? Apr 11 22:18:41 desktop Apr 11 22:18:45 meh, sure why not Apr 11 22:18:48 brb Apr 11 22:19:26 dtzWill: I had this issue once on Debian, it turned out to be my usb device driver Apr 11 22:19:29 or whatever it's called Apr 11 22:19:33 sys stuff Apr 11 22:20:57 zsoc: ah okay. makes sense, I was lucky enough to dodge this issue so not super helpful :) Apr 11 22:21:10 I remember my android dev stuff required mucking with udev, but that was documented officially heh Apr 11 22:21:24 before I restart Apr 11 22:21:44 could there be any kernel modules/stuff to build in/make modules for? Apr 11 22:21:57 kevlar0: for novacom? Apr 11 22:22:07 I can also jump on .33 or something if anyone thinks it will help Apr 11 22:22:07 yea Apr 11 22:22:22 Not that you should /need/. There's an ebuild laying around somewhere but it's unecessary, it's a pretty simple interfacing protocol Apr 11 22:22:29 kk Apr 11 22:22:36 zsoc: ebuild for novacom you mean? Apr 11 22:22:40 dtzWill: ya Apr 11 22:22:57 should I just restart, or is there anything worth doing first? Apr 11 22:23:17 i would just restart, i don't think it's worth trying to figure out what wosqi did/how it did it Apr 11 22:23:22 k Apr 11 22:23:24 brb Apr 11 22:25:18 I used the Preware 'optware bootstrap' package ... just ssh'd into my pre, and when I type "ipkg-opt list" all it says is "Successfully terminated." Apr 11 22:25:56 "ipkg list" and "ipkg list_installed" work as expected .... Apr 11 22:27:23 nt4cats: then what's the problem? clearly it's a success Apr 11 22:27:37 nt4cats: you may have to define offline root Apr 11 22:27:43 zsoc: other than the missing list, you're right it worked ;) Apr 11 22:27:51 my first comment was an attempt at a joke, it sucked pretty bad Apr 11 22:28:04 zsoc: I knew you were kidding Apr 11 22:28:15 nt4cats: i think the correct syntax would be -o /media/cryptofs/apps Apr 11 22:28:34 unless there's a separate place for opt/ stuff still Apr 11 22:29:55 nt4cats: and are you root? Apr 11 22:30:25 figured it out (actually just R'd T F'ing M) Apr 11 22:31:02 "ipkg-opt update" is helpful in the regard that it gets the data that 'list' is trying to show. Apr 11 22:31:19 HAHAHAHAHA Apr 11 22:31:21 right Apr 11 22:31:23 ahem Apr 11 22:31:28 ooh, dinner is ready. I'll be back in a bit Apr 11 22:31:33 i would be a better troubleshooter if i thought of the obvious stuff first Apr 11 22:31:38 cya Apr 11 22:32:08 zsoc: Someone told me something was broken at work so I spent 2 hours trying to fix it, and then eventually was frustrated and reverted my patchset to check the behavior Apr 11 22:32:14 and it had never been broken in the first place Apr 11 22:32:24 Top that Apr 11 22:32:53 chrisa: clearly there your mistake was believing a coworker. Apr 11 22:45:01 chrisa, I"ve had that happen to me where I drove for 3-4hrs only to find out things were fine. Apr 11 22:48:28 So Apr 11 22:48:31 really weird: Apr 11 22:48:41 computer wouldn't boot with the pre plugged in Apr 11 22:49:13 but if it was plugged in on boot, it displayed a couple options Apr 11 22:49:23 where I don't see that otherwise Apr 11 22:49:24 kevlar0: probably detected the usb drive and wanted to try to boot off it :) Apr 11 22:49:30 maybe Apr 11 22:49:48 but I did see an options screen on the pre (where I don't plugging it in after booting) Apr 11 22:49:51 doesnt' make a good boot rom. Apr 11 22:50:11 lol Apr 11 22:50:12 ka6sox: please tell me that you've tried :) Apr 11 22:50:47 kevlar0: you DO see options now? does dmesg print anything more now? if you launch novacomd does novacom -l show your device? :) Apr 11 22:50:55 armv7 != i386 (even if they are LE) Apr 11 22:50:56 kevlar0: question? question? question? :) Apr 11 22:51:14 no, after rebooting nothing seems different Apr 11 22:51:34 ka6sox: right, but what's mounted is the usb partition, no? and couldn't you throw i386 code on it? Apr 11 22:51:36 but as I was saying, when the pre was plugged in on boot, it did give options to run as a usb-drive or just charge Apr 11 22:51:51 but the boot never passed the bios Apr 11 22:52:09 dtzWill, yes, you could I suppose... Apr 11 22:52:27 I've used an iPOD to boot a machine before... Apr 11 22:52:48 kevlar0: i'd say that's fairly indicative that your distro is doing something, (or not doing something) it should with usb Apr 11 22:53:16 kevlar0, turn off usb booting in the bios. Apr 11 22:53:23 s/distro/linux instance/ Apr 11 22:53:24 dtzWill meant: kevlar0: i'd say that's fairly indicative that your linux instance is doing something, (or not doing something) it should with usb Apr 11 22:53:27 ahhh Apr 11 22:53:29 lol Apr 11 22:53:36 it takes like 15 minutes to reboot Apr 11 22:53:41 ~botsnack Apr 11 22:53:42 :), dtzWill Apr 11 22:53:57 kevlar0: you should work on that ;) Apr 11 22:54:00 :P Apr 11 22:54:06 why? Apr 11 22:54:16 i reboot once every 5 months? Apr 11 22:54:24 kevlar0: hahaha of course of course :) Apr 11 22:55:01 kevlar0: fair enough I've spent zero time "optimizing" my boot time for my desktop as well, but 15 min is rough. did it have to check all your disks due just because of time since last mount? :) Apr 11 22:55:24 I have a mobo thats like 10:1 servers to desktops Apr 11 22:55:30 anyway i'm getting away from useful discussion Apr 11 22:55:31 and I leave it on a diagnostic boot Apr 11 22:55:37 can't have THAT here Apr 11 22:55:43 lol Apr 11 22:55:56 kevlar0: kk, fair enough. Apr 11 22:56:04 plus... theres some other things Apr 11 22:56:05 lol Apr 11 22:56:10 long stories Apr 11 22:56:40 I would not mind new hardware at all Apr 11 22:56:49 but, thats not an option atm Apr 11 22:57:18 does anyone have any suggestions for something I could try? Apr 11 23:03:04 on your booting issue? Apr 11 23:04:21 no, I don't care about that Apr 11 23:04:22 wow, optware is pretty awesome. They have python 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 available, each with a pretty impressive list of optional libraries Apr 11 23:04:36 I'm just interested in getting my computer to identify the Pre Apr 11 23:05:11 nt4cats: it's been around for a long time Apr 11 23:05:29 5yrs.. Apr 11 23:06:51 kevlar0: you sure you have all the related usb stuff installed? is it possible you're missing something? :/. but I'd imagine if that was the case you'd have run into this a long time ago... Apr 11 23:07:13 I can't imagine what it is Apr 11 23:07:21 My only guess was udev stuff Apr 11 23:07:28 but I couldn't find anything related Apr 11 23:07:32 kevlar0: do you have access to another machine that you can plug in and verify that it's your computer not the device/cable/something? Apr 11 23:07:44 the fact that it worked at boot suggests that, but just saying Apr 11 23:07:48 yea Apr 11 23:07:52 bleh Apr 11 23:08:00 kevlar0: :/. Apr 11 23:08:00 I can use my laptop i suppose Apr 11 23:08:17 kevlar0: that's windows, right? might make working with the WIDK, etc, a bit difficult. Apr 11 23:08:34 kevlar0: but if you don't mind using two machines you could dev on your gentoo box, and just install/interface with your device via your lappy Apr 11 23:08:51 kevlar0: particularly once you have preware/ssh/etc installed, ssh/scp can do most of what you need Apr 11 23:09:08 loyea Apr 11 23:09:34 I do have linux on my laptop Apr 11 23:09:47 It just is kinda messy Apr 11 23:09:51 (obviously ssh/scp you wouldn't need your lappy). tbh i barely ever plug my device in anymore, scp over wireless on touchstone is just so much easier Apr 11 23:09:51 I'll start there Apr 11 23:10:26 kevlar0: well windows has a little click-to-install-preware installer i think that might be the easiest way to move fowrard, assuming this issue is specific to your particular box/os setup Apr 11 23:11:35 yea Apr 11 23:11:42 I supposed I can use that Apr 11 23:12:11 kevlar0: somewhere from preware.org, http://preware.org/#/install/ looks good Apr 11 23:12:31 kevlar0: okay linking into the website doesn't work, but I'm sure you can find your way there :):) Apr 11 23:15:21 "Preware is installed" Apr 11 23:16:55 kevlar0: w00t Apr 11 23:18:23 I am a bit confused here about the relationship between the 'stock' ipkg command (NOT ipkg-opt) and the optware feed. Apr 11 23:18:57 I see that I have mobi.optware.openssh installed using the 'stock' ipkg. Is this because it was repackaged for consumption by Preware? Apr 11 23:20:25 I want to install python on my Pre (I solemnly swear that I am up to no good) ... but want to understand the ipkg environment before I do so Apr 11 23:22:13 up to no good? Apr 11 23:22:44 oil: Just misbehavin' Apr 11 23:24:18 nt4cats: you can do what you want with your pre, no one needs yuo to promise otherwise :D Apr 11 23:24:42 oil/dtzWill: that's actually a quote from the Harry Potter books ... Apr 11 23:25:01 * oil never read the book but saw the movie Apr 11 23:25:15 its for that map, right? Apr 11 23:25:30 oil: yep, it makes the map show you what you're looking for Apr 11 23:26:40 who (other than Rod who is away for a week) might understand the Preware/Optware connection? Apr 11 23:26:44 nt4cats: oh yeah.. not in the pool of quotes I check when on irc ;) Apr 11 23:26:46 egaudet? Apr 11 23:27:02 dbsooner? Apr 11 23:27:59 Once I figure it out I'll document it on the webos-internals wiki ... Apr 11 23:28:22 * oil hasn't seen dbsooner in a while Apr 11 23:28:57 I haven't seen dbsooner in a while either, I'm just thinking of the folks I saw here back in the days when the Preware feeds and their structure was being setup Apr 11 23:29:23 oil: you were involved, but I believe you were more focused on UI things Apr 11 23:30:07 ~seen dbsooner Apr 11 23:30:08 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals #webos-watercooler, last said: 'rwhitby: ping'. Apr 11 23:30:12 lol Apr 11 23:30:54 ~smack nt4cats Apr 11 23:30:55 * infobot smacks nt4cats upside the head. Apr 11 23:31:45 ~seen egaudet Apr 11 23:31:46 egaudet <~egaudet@c-66-31-49-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4d 19h 42m 8s ago, saying: 'alright I'll bbt, night'. Apr 11 23:32:01 :( Apr 11 23:32:47 lol, 4 days ago he said hed be back tomorrow Apr 11 23:32:49 thats good Apr 11 23:33:09 oil: "T" == "Tuesday the 17th of June" Apr 11 23:33:21 lol Apr 11 23:43:06 it seems like a whirlwind when we set all this up. Apr 11 23:46:02 nt4cats: sorry my connection is unstable at the moment Apr 11 23:46:11 slightly zsoc Apr 11 23:46:33 nt4cats: if you're looking to package stuff from optware, just use others for examples Apr 11 23:46:44 ka6sox: lol ? Apr 11 23:47:27 * ka6sox finished the crosscompiler. so I'm happy now. Apr 12 00:12:30 nt4cats, optware (as originally designed) put things in /opt on a NAS box so that it didn't interfere with the stock firmware Apr 12 00:13:14 and /opt was mounted on the external HD. Apr 12 00:23:59 * alkos333 isn't a huge fan of Visual Studio Apr 12 00:24:11 random Apr 12 00:24:18 I should learn to program Apr 12 00:24:24 lol Apr 12 00:24:30 well I should learn to not suck at programming Apr 12 00:24:35 oil: Yes, random - just like Visual Studio Apr 12 00:24:40 haha Apr 12 00:26:48 RWhitby: Are you there? Apr 12 00:30:19 i think he's already gone for a week Apr 12 00:30:23 family vacation Apr 12 00:32:24 Let him know I created new ipk's that fix the 600 club issue and meet all Preware requirements (extensive testing underway) Apr 12 00:32:42 * oil is not rwhitbys secretary Apr 12 00:33:23 true..I will be away from channel so I jsut thought I would ask..np if an issue Apr 12 00:33:41 lol Apr 12 00:33:53 you still make me laugh!! Apr 12 00:34:20 Have a great rest of the weekend, OK?? Apr 12 00:34:51 i will make the best of the next 6 and a half hours Apr 12 00:35:03 alcohol helps...lol Apr 12 00:35:40 ttyl Apr 12 00:50:12 can people run ls -l /usr/sbin/audiod for me? Apr 12 00:50:39 I'm interested in anything other than 546243 Mar 17 18:35 audiod Apr 12 00:51:34 with an md5sum other than e7a9c60bb98932b6a23b05bcd9f4908f Apr 12 00:52:17 sbromwich: fwiw I have diff date, same ha Apr 12 00:52:18 *hash Apr 12 00:52:24 1.4.1? Apr 12 00:52:30 sbromwich: yeppers Apr 12 00:52:36 date may be off, I think it's just the install date Apr 12 00:52:37 k Apr 12 00:52:46 I think 1.4.1 audiod is somehow non-preempt safe Apr 12 00:52:47 sbromwich: yeah I suspected as much as well but just fyi Apr 12 00:52:53 *nod* Apr 12 00:53:28 I don't know how because I've wrapped everything in preempt_dis/enable I can find for audio and vibe Apr 12 00:53:40 anyone still running 1.4.0? Apr 12 00:54:42 Can I get my phone to stop bugging me about updates? Apr 12 00:54:45 I don't *want* 1.4.1. Apr 12 00:54:49 oooh. Apr 12 00:54:54 what are you running quotemstr? Apr 12 00:55:00 It works well enough now. Updates break things. Especially things that Palm doesn't want to work, like tethering programs. Apr 12 00:55:02 No, thanks. Apr 12 00:55:25 quotemstr: by coincidence I'm looking for someone who *isn't* running 1.4.1 Apr 12 00:55:31 chod -x /usr/bin/UpdateDaemon Apr 12 00:55:36 chmod Apr 12 00:55:39 what uNiXpSyChO said Apr 12 00:55:51 also can you run md5sum /usr/sbin/audiod for me? Apr 12 00:55:59 Sure. Apr 12 00:56:06 danke vair muchly Apr 12 00:57:26 ct92ce2b2c35c43d56eeb2b6d06cb642 Apr 12 00:57:33 oooooh. Apr 12 01:04:41 quotemstr: 1.4.1 is a lot more stable, if it helps any Apr 12 01:05:18 all the verizon people are running 1.4.0 still Apr 12 01:05:20 I'm finding preempt bugs Apr 12 01:05:24 zsoc: I'll think about it after verifying that everything I want works with it. Apr 12 01:05:25 in 1.4.1 Apr 12 01:05:58 somehow audiod seems to be triggering a lockup Apr 12 01:06:09 (bluetooth looks a bit shonky too) Apr 12 01:06:25 RWhitby: sent you a email Apr 12 01:06:37 I mean a PM Apr 12 01:10:34 What the hell? ssh logins as root don't seem to be working. Apr 12 01:11:16 connection refused? Apr 12 01:11:35 No, permission denied. Apr 12 01:12:13 With the correct password. Apr 12 01:12:42 dropbear or openssh? Apr 12 01:13:04 dropbear. Apr 12 01:13:30 from what I understand that may indicate the /etc/passwd has been overwritten by the update already :-/ Apr 12 01:13:36 can you novaterm in? Apr 12 01:13:53 Terminus. Apr 12 01:14:03 webos updates do screw with passwd Apr 12 01:14:16 And I already tried changing the root password with passwd. Apr 12 01:14:28 passwd(1), that is. Apr 12 01:14:33 install openssh and use keys? Apr 12 01:15:04 should be able to do that from terminus with ipkg-opt install openssh with any luck Apr 12 01:16:24 openssh is installed already. Now just to get it to start... Apr 12 01:16:44 And it looks like 1.4 disabled root logins somehow. Apr 12 01:17:04 At least without keys. Apr 12 01:17:18 I've only ever used openssh with keys, that went through all the upgrades fine, all the way to 1.4.1 Apr 12 01:20:51 ya, I use keys too...thats the only way I've kept things somewhat sane. Apr 12 01:24:35 Ah, finally. Apr 12 01:24:50 How can I get openssh to start up instead of dropbear? Apr 12 01:27:06 should start up automatically if it dropped a script in /etc/event.d Apr 12 01:27:34 /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh for me Apr 12 01:27:45 Also, is there a way to prevent the system from going to sleep and stalling scp transfers and interactive ssh sessions? Apr 12 01:29:08 ping Apr 12 01:29:47 there's code in 1.4.1 kernel which should stop that happening, if I can get the damn thing working it should backport to 1.4.0 pretty easy Apr 12 01:41:55 audiod from 1.4.0 does not cause preempt kernel to go big bang boom. Apr 12 01:42:23 1.4.1 does. Apr 12 01:44:10 time to give in to the inevitable and compile with debug symbols enabled Apr 12 01:44:59 heh Apr 12 01:45:19 ive had random reboots constantly since 1.4/1.4.1, so, im use to big bang boom O_o Apr 12 01:46:38 finally made it to SFO Apr 12 01:47:19 does it random reboot coming out of suspend or during actual use? Apr 12 01:47:49 hey there Apr 12 01:48:35 ok every single debug option that might be helpful enabled, maybe I can get some useful boot info out of it Apr 12 01:48:55 jacques_pre, are you going to get to your hotel on time? Apr 12 01:49:01 2009-07-18T01:23:34.568847Z [93] palm-webos-device kern.err kernel: [ 0.760000] BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper/1/0x00000002 Apr 12 01:49:04 urrrrrrrrrrrr? Apr 12 01:49:29 lol Apr 12 01:50:03 ka6sox: should be fine - I am on the shuttle now Apr 12 01:50:27 sbromwich: what are you working on right now? Apr 12 01:50:57 jacques_pre, this is the ESC conference? Apr 12 01:51:11 getting there a bit later might actually be better, as there was an event in japantown today Apr 12 01:51:16 LarrySteeze: trying to get the 1.4.1 kernel working with preempt Apr 12 01:51:22 ah Apr 12 01:51:22 finding some really odd stuff Apr 12 01:51:29 ka6sox: no, CELF Apr 12 01:51:37 k Apr 12 01:52:13 as soon as you get it working, see if you can get it working on the ipad as well...then I might actually buy one ;-) Apr 12 01:52:29 I don't need an ipad Apr 12 01:52:34 already got plenty of doorstops. Apr 12 01:52:39 lol Apr 12 01:52:39 lol Apr 12 01:52:58 "Examples of this include magazines like Time charging $4.99 a week (the price of a paper copy) for access to their iPad-formatted content. The price of a magazine, as Anderson points out, includes the costs of printing and distribution, whereas on the iPad it's almost pure profit. Of course, the customers get something for their shekel, namely "Unique interactivity including landscape and portrait mode, scroll navigatio Apr 12 01:52:58 customizable font size": Apr 12 01:53:08 Bring on the meteors. Apr 12 01:53:09 you know...i didn't see the usefulness of one either...till one of my friends got one Apr 12 01:53:10 We're done. Apr 12 01:53:23 but i still can't pay that much for a big ipod touch Apr 12 01:53:38 * sbromwich feels his index finger raising in the air and twirling like it just don't care Apr 12 01:53:58 lol Apr 12 01:54:16 so what kind of odd stuff are you finding Apr 12 01:54:20 apple products have always been too slow and laggy for me Apr 12 01:54:44 userspace apps causing kernel lockups from something not being preempt safe Apr 12 01:55:14 so I'm spattering preempt_en/disable() all over the audio stuff to see if that helps Apr 12 01:55:16 nada so far Apr 12 01:55:29 kernel lockups=evil Apr 12 01:56:01 specially when this is a work phone and I'm on call and can't disassemble it to solder on pads to access the serial port Apr 12 01:56:02 unfortunately the audio stuff has been giving nothing but problems since day 1 though Apr 12 01:56:21 yeah, pulseaudio is teh sukc Apr 12 01:56:29 you want to solder pads on to your pre? Apr 12 01:56:46 I'd *like* to Apr 12 01:56:56 my boss would give me grief for it though Apr 12 01:57:06 eh...I wouldn't recommend it anyways Apr 12 01:57:23 well, serial console would be useful Apr 12 01:57:51 but is it worth tampering with the hardware? Apr 12 01:57:53 ok, booting excessively debug kernel... Apr 12 01:57:56 yup Apr 12 01:57:58 lol Apr 12 01:58:13 you are a braver man than I Apr 12 01:58:40 then again Apr 12 01:58:59 here I am making adjustments to a linksys router myself Apr 12 01:59:08 hit 200 battery pulls since I got the device... 3 weeks ago? Apr 12 01:59:34 lol Apr 12 01:59:39 yeah...about that... Apr 12 01:59:55 you know, i just realized I may have a problem Apr 12 02:00:24 I've got mirc up on my 46" tv...sitting on the floor with my laptop in my lap Apr 12 02:00:46 wiki'ing on openwrt Apr 12 02:01:10 * oil is on tv! Apr 12 02:01:21 yes, you are Apr 12 02:01:25 * sbromwich pulls the battery again Apr 12 02:05:08 yech Apr 12 02:05:44 for some reason the back of the phone is becoming unnaccountably loose. Apr 12 02:05:50 perhaps I should do a warranty replacement. Apr 12 02:06:36 lol..... Apr 12 02:07:03 there's always duct tape. Apr 12 02:07:16 did the trick for the sim card on my tungsten w Apr 12 02:07:24 sim card door, rather Apr 12 02:24:57 You'll get it Steve, I have faith in you! Apr 12 02:25:13 I'm getting closer Apr 12 02:25:18 I can see Apr 12 02:25:52 also foudn where traffic shaping is enabled, which is a surprise... /usr/sbin/setup-tc.sh Apr 12 02:26:27 Steve I solved the communication error with the ipk and it has no more 600 club issue either. I will send you a copy of the ipk after (N=10 more users verify). Hopefully this will help your work as well (oppen source is bleesed!) Apr 12 02:26:46 doesn't seem to be enabled though. Apr 12 02:26:56 what was the issue in the end? Apr 12 02:32:22 2010-04-12T02:15:05.564880Z [63] palm-webos-device kern.info kernel: [ 63.110000] timechange: time was changed. Apr 12 02:32:24 novacomd socket was closed prematurely Apr 12 02:32:26 huh. Apr 12 02:33:08 so if the power daemon is scheduling a timer for however long and there's a timechange underneath it... I wonder what the net effect would be? Apr 12 02:33:39 bearing in mind the previous line is 2009-07-18T00:45:41.417846Z. Apr 12 02:35:19 thats a normal kernel msg Apr 12 02:35:34 yeah I know... but it's hanging hard there Apr 12 02:35:53 so I'm wondering if something is getting deeply confused by a time change of several months Apr 12 02:36:05 hang when playing sound? Apr 12 02:36:20 fixed that by using the 1.4.0 audiod Apr 12 02:36:34 that stops audiod from locking up the kernel Apr 12 02:37:35 you can try compiling the bridgedriver and api with preempt enabled in the kernel source tree to see if that helps. the dsp kept timing out on me in some situtions in preempt. Apr 12 02:38:05 -* @brief The principle timechange callback which broadcasts a uevent Apr 12 02:38:06 * that the time has been changed to userspace. Apr 12 02:38:09 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Apr 12 02:38:53 I don't think I'm even getting as far as the dsp Apr 12 02:40:20 time for a subtle application of /* */ to see what happens Apr 12 02:42:44 not timechange Apr 12 02:42:56 2010-04-12T02:33:06.191253Z [66] palm-webos-device user.info powerd: {powerd}: BATTERYPOLL: BatteryState debounce Apr 12 02:43:17 * sbromwich considers it not entirely coincidental RTC_FASTPATH got a mod. Apr 12 02:55:43 i feel a make mrproper coming ;) Apr 12 02:58:23 s/feel/felt/ && s/coming/came/ Apr 12 02:58:41 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 12 02:59:56 2010