**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 14 02:59:56 2010
Apr 14 03:01:01 <Jack87-wIRC> dtzWill: I was thinking... will putting the mount commands in the start up script allow one to simly launch X server and start right into debian?
Apr 14 03:07:22 <phil_bw> Jack: try it out
Apr 14 03:20:30 <jack87> rwhitby, where is that blank wiki page
Apr 14 03:27:25 <jack87> dtzWill, it worked... i included all the mounting commands in the start up scrip so just running the xorg server app gets debian going with a window manager up and running
Apr 14 03:31:43 <phil_bw> jack87: you do know that that is going to try to mount everything every time you launch the x server right?  It'll probably just give warnings and be harmless, but that's what'll happen
Apr 14 03:32:08 <jack87> phil_bw, yes i do... i like your scripts better
Apr 14 03:32:47 <jack87> phil_bw, but to make it as seemless as possible this is nice and a simple way to reset it for most people they can just reboot phone
Apr 14 03:33:09 <phil_bw> jacques: what window manager are you using?
Apr 14 03:33:51 <phil_bw> er
Apr 14 03:33:56 <phil_bw> jack87
Apr 14 03:33:57 <jack87> phil_bw, is there anyway to reboot debian?
Apr 14 03:34:05 <jack87> phil_bw, i am using matchbox
Apr 14 03:34:39 <phil_bw> jack87: reboot it?  also would you like to beta test my fvwm setup?
Apr 14 03:35:11 <jack87> phil_bw, sure love to... i didnt like the original fvwm
Apr 14 03:35:21 <phil_bw> me either
Apr 14 03:35:51 <phil_bw> but now I've got it setup so if you hold gesture you can pan to windows off the screen
Apr 14 03:36:14 <jack87> how do i install it?
Apr 14 03:36:32 <jack87> so far ive only been doing apt-get install
Apr 14 03:37:30 <jack87> phil_bw, perhaps in the near future the X server app can have short cut keys to run your scripts to unmount and all
Apr 14 03:37:55 <phil_bw> jack87: wouldn't be tough
Apr 14 03:38:56 <jack87> phil_bw, just keybindings.. :)
Apr 14 03:39:09 <jack87> im installing openoffice now using synaptic
Apr 14 03:40:38 <phil_bw> have fun with that
Apr 14 03:40:49 <phil_bw> if you want a good editor use abiword
Apr 14 03:41:16 <phil_bw> jack87: did you the "95 script" when you installed fvwm?
Apr 14 03:42:21 <phil_bw> nm, I'll just package this all up the right way tomorrow
Apr 14 03:42:37 <jack87> it ran this setup wizard which i believe set up the 95 script
Apr 14 03:42:42 <dtzWill> phil_bw: you're packaging up fvwm? :)
Apr 14 03:42:53 <dtzWill> phil_bw: apt-get or apt-get free?
Apr 14 03:43:09 <phil_bw> dtzWill: tgz ;)
Apr 14 03:43:35 <phil_bw> it's half baked but it's very usable
Apr 14 03:44:09 <dtzWill> phil_bw: stage fvwm in widk/autobuilder and make a ipk for everyone :)
Apr 14 03:44:29 <phil_bw> dtzWill, it's a ways from that
Apr 14 03:44:43 <dtzWill> phil_bw: nonsense, get the staging work outta the way now, and tweak it later :D
Apr 14 03:44:46 <dtzWill> phil_bw: :P
Apr 14 03:47:11 <phil_bw> anyhow, I'll get it on to the git tomorrow and you guys can have at it
Apr 14 03:47:18 <phil_bw> until then good night
Apr 14 03:47:46 * phil_bw wanders of
Apr 14 03:47:49 <phil_bw> off*
Apr 14 04:17:06 * oil hears crickets
Apr 14 04:17:35 <jack87> oil, find and stomp on em!
Apr 14 04:17:39 <oil> lol
Apr 14 04:17:43 <jack87> those damn things can be annoying
Apr 14 04:17:52 <oil> finding a cricket is so impossibly hard
Apr 14 04:18:14 <jack87> i used to work at costco... and one got in the building.. it was so funny!
Apr 14 04:19:24 <zsoc> ~crickets
Apr 14 04:19:25 * infobot chirps uninterestedly
Apr 14 04:19:29 <oil> nice
Apr 14 04:19:33 <jack87> haha
Apr 14 04:19:51 <zsoc> i am such old hat
Apr 14 04:20:07 <jack87> zsoc, how old are you
Apr 14 04:20:09 <zsoc> So my gigantic commit is done, feel free to mess with the WIDK again.
Apr 14 04:20:12 <zsoc> jack87: 422
Apr 14 04:20:21 <jack87> zsoc, wow!
Apr 14 04:20:25 <zsoc> Also, it may not work now.
Apr 14 04:20:43 <oil> 4 hundred and 42?
Apr 14 04:20:49 <oil> lol
Apr 14 04:20:56 <jack87> oil, now thats something isnt it?
Apr 14 04:22:33 <zsoc> ok, bed time
Apr 14 04:26:53 <oil> lol
Apr 14 04:39:50 <oil> i just noticed dot game is 64th on the hot apps thing
Apr 14 04:43:59 <oil> a grand would certainly be nice :)
Apr 14 04:44:49 <jack87> oil, i love the dot game!
Apr 14 04:44:54 <jack87> you rock!
Apr 14 04:44:57 <oil> blocked isn't on the list
Apr 14 04:44:58 <oil> lols
Apr 14 04:45:11 <oil> maybe i should push updates to both for the rest of the world
Apr 14 04:45:11 <oil> lol
Apr 14 04:57:08 <jack87> oil, if you push update it will get more attention be listed as one of the new apps again
Apr 14 04:57:11 <jack87> do it!
Apr 14 04:57:16 <oil> lol
Apr 14 04:57:35 <jack87> hey thats 1000 bucks!
Apr 14 04:59:27 <oil> well one is already on the list!
Apr 14 04:59:36 <oil> it would be 2gs if i got the other one
Apr 14 04:59:59 <oil> but there is a minimum revenue to get on the paid list
Apr 14 05:02:05 <jack87> do you have paid apps?
Apr 14 05:02:19 <jack87> i bet a catchy new free app from you will get you on the list
Apr 14 05:02:24 <jack87> or even just an update to blocked
Apr 14 05:04:03 <oil> blocked is a paid app in the catalog
Apr 14 05:04:10 <oil> but a better version for free in homebrew
Apr 14 05:04:11 <oil> xD
Apr 14 05:04:31 <jack87> haha i was thinking it was free...  thats funny
Apr 14 05:04:39 <oil> it is free, in homebrew
Apr 14 05:04:42 <jack87> you show throw an update to make them the same
Apr 14 05:06:44 * dtzWill wants our homebrew apps to get $$ too :)
Apr 14 05:07:09 <dtzWill> we drive customers to palm :(...maybe
Apr 14 05:07:10 <oil> dotgame was in homebrew before the catalog was opened
Apr 14 05:07:14 <jack87> dtzWill, if palm only had money
Apr 14 05:07:22 <dtzWill> jack87: heh, fair enough
Apr 14 05:07:27 <oil> the version of blocked in homebrew is better then the verson of blocked that costs money in the catalog
Apr 14 05:07:28 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:07:31 <jack87> oil, your dotgame was the first game!
Apr 14 05:07:57 <jack87> dtzWill, haha those are both oil's games
Apr 14 05:08:12 <oil> :)
Apr 14 05:08:47 <dtzWill> jack87: right, I was more thinking for myself and those apps :D
Apr 14 05:08:56 <dtzWill> although I have no idea how many people download those things, :)
Apr 14 05:09:09 <oil> dot game has 189455 downloads in the catalog
Apr 14 05:09:11 <dtzWill> preware would get a whole bunch of money
Apr 14 05:09:15 <oil> since i put it in there
Apr 14 05:09:19 <oil> blocked has 1607
Apr 14 05:09:21 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:09:25 <dtzWill> oil: o_O. wow.
Apr 14 05:09:31 <dtzWill> oil: i think i prefer blocked...
Apr 14 05:09:37 <oil> its still made me over a grand in money though
Apr 14 05:09:38 <oil> free money
Apr 14 05:09:40 <oil> always good
Apr 14 05:09:44 <dtzWill> oil: haha yeah no complaints
Apr 14 05:09:51 <dtzWill> and dot game..is non-free in catalog?
Apr 14 05:10:10 <jack87> dtzWill, dot game is free.. blocked is not
Apr 14 05:10:21 <jack87> but both are free in preware
Apr 14 05:10:32 <jack87> precentral feed that is
Apr 14 05:10:40 <oil> yeah
Apr 14 05:10:40 <dtzWill> ah, kk
Apr 14 05:10:42 <dtzWill> nice
Apr 14 05:10:45 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:11:04 * jack87 has never played blocked
Apr 14 05:11:09 <oil> WTF
Apr 14 05:11:13 <oil> buy the catalog version!
Apr 14 05:11:13 <oil> xD
Apr 14 05:11:16 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:11:32 <oil> there is a bunch of games like it
Apr 14 05:12:01 <jack87> oil, im not even sure what its about
Apr 14 05:12:08 <oil> the piece is blocked
Apr 14 05:12:11 <oil> and you have to freeit
Apr 14 05:12:31 <oil> by sliding hte other blocks out of the way
Apr 14 05:12:49 <jack87> dtzWill, i am working on customizing my debian image
Apr 14 05:13:09 * oil brb
Apr 14 05:13:19 <jack87> dtzWill, any tips?
Apr 14 05:14:12 <jack87> oil, you cant tell me the free version is better then tell me to by the catalog one haha! i guess i can to help you out but something tells me it wont do much considering the other paid apps
Apr 14 05:16:24 <dtzWill> jack87: no tips in particular, most of what i've played with has been discussed.  my x attention has mostly been on X itself, and related libraries.. and getting apps to users in a nice format
Apr 14 05:16:47 <jack87> thanks
Apr 14 05:17:05 <jack87> so have you looked into forming an alternative keyboard lay out yet?
Apr 14 05:19:24 <dtzWill> jack87: not at all unfortunately. haven't had enough free time to tackle it yet
Apr 14 05:20:03 <jack87> what was your major again?
Apr 14 05:22:03 <dtzWill> jack87: advanced underwater basket weaving
Apr 14 05:22:35 <jack87> dtzWill, damn! thats what ive always dreamed of but just cant do it.
Apr 14 05:23:03 <dtzWill> jack87: it's a skill passed down for many generations in my family
Apr 14 05:23:09 <dtzWill> just was lucky enough to be born into it
Apr 14 05:23:29 <jack87> dtzWill, takes heart to!
Apr 14 05:24:11 <dtzWill> it takes a particular kind of person certainly. families who take it seriously ship their kids of to specialized schools when they're 3
Apr 14 05:24:37 <jack87> did you get that chance?
Apr 14 05:24:40 <dtzWill> can sometimes make for a rough childhood, but you grow up with a useful skill that really makes you feel like you give something to the world
Apr 14 05:25:04 <jack87> haha dtzWill you are freaking me out now
Apr 14 05:25:16 <devboy> hi all
Apr 14 05:25:19 <jack87> hola
Apr 14 05:25:24 <dtzWill> haha sorry, guess I took that too far :D
Apr 14 05:25:33 <devboy> whats crackin homie
Apr 14 05:26:20 <devboy> anyway i never wrote an app before are there any prereq's i should know
Apr 14 05:26:28 <jack87> dtzWill, haha almost started taking it seriously
Apr 14 05:28:05 <devboy> i started following a tutorial on webosschool.com but i wanted to know if theres anything i should learn before going through the entire tut
Apr 14 05:28:07 <devboy> ?
Apr 14 05:28:50 <jack87> devboy, never done it dunno.... im not sure if there is that many people still here tonight
Apr 14 05:29:05 <devboy> oh
Apr 14 05:29:13 * oil has no clue what webosschool.coms tutorual says
Apr 14 05:29:54 <dtzWill> devboy: #webos might be more help?
Apr 14 05:30:06 <dtzWill> devboy: but I dont frequent there so no promises
Apr 14 05:30:12 <devboy> k thanks
Apr 14 05:30:30 <devboy> is this for more advanced devs
Apr 14 05:30:32 <devboy> ?
Apr 14 05:30:39 * oil writes mojo apps
Apr 14 05:30:54 <oil> 2 in the app store
Apr 14 05:30:57 <oil> and xblfriends
Apr 14 05:30:58 <oil> and preware
Apr 14 05:31:00 <oil> and wirc
Apr 14 05:31:02 <oil> etc, etc
Apr 14 05:31:04 <oil> :)
Apr 14 05:31:12 <dtzWill> this is generally for homebrew stuff, webos-internals stuff as the name suggests :)
Apr 14 05:31:23 <dtzWill> official mojo apps (see topic) in theory are discussed ...okay
Apr 14 05:31:33 <dtzWill> oil: you scared him with all the apps :D
Apr 14 05:31:37 <oil> and we generally try to help people who join
Apr 14 05:31:40 <dtzWill> he didn't feel worthy to be in your presence
Apr 14 05:31:45 <dtzWill> I didn't mean to kick him out :(
Apr 14 05:31:47 <oil> oh, he left
Apr 14 05:31:48 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:31:50 <dtzWill> didn't say STFU and leave
Apr 14 05:32:02 <dtzWill> just.... in general people seem to find not a lot of mojo knowledge here
Apr 14 05:32:05 <dtzWill> other than... you, oil
Apr 14 05:32:06 <dtzWill> lol
Apr 14 05:32:19 <oil> wha?
Apr 14 05:32:21 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:32:24 <jack87> lol
Apr 14 05:39:48 <beelzabub1> uggh - my brain is fried.  i don't think i'll be able to resolve this annoying issue today
Apr 14 05:39:59 <oil> annoying issue?
Apr 14 05:40:46 <beelzabub1> yeah - trying to implement something & at this point i'm fidling with values to try & get the right answer instead of thinking what it should be
Apr 14 05:41:25 <oil> lol
Apr 14 05:42:14 <beelzabub1> well, i refactored a major chunk of this existing code and it's kinda working, so i'm happy for tonight i guess. & i was hoping to get taxes done tonight.  so much for that
Apr 14 05:44:02 <oil> yeah
Apr 14 05:44:04 <oil> taxes
Apr 14 05:44:20 * oil is just happy hes getting money back this year
Apr 14 05:56:05 <Jack87-Xorg> :)
Apr 14 05:57:43 <oil> that didn't last long
Apr 14 06:06:51 <jack87> haha
Apr 14 06:07:19 <jack87> dtzWill, what would happen if i tried to run the netbook remix image of ubuntu... is that bad?
Apr 14 06:08:04 <jack87> will my phone explode?
Apr 14 06:10:52 <ka6sox> jack87, probably still too big.
Apr 14 06:11:11 <jack87> ka6sox, its about a gig
Apr 14 06:11:30 <ka6sox> then thats not too bad...xfce?
Apr 14 06:11:41 <jack87> but i think its gnome though
Apr 14 06:11:52 <ka6sox> and it fits in 1G?
Apr 14 06:12:07 <jack87> indeed the usb image
Apr 14 06:12:39 <jack87> usb image might just be an installer... hum... but i thought it ran live
Apr 14 06:13:34 <jack87> ka6sox, might it not work on arm?
Apr 14 06:13:50 <jack87> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
Apr 14 06:14:48 <jack87> if you look bellow you will see ubuntu-9.04-netbook-remix-i386.img
Apr 14 06:14:52 <ka6sox> not built for that arm
Apr 14 06:14:58 <ka6sox> um...
Apr 14 06:15:01 <jack87> ya.. hum
Apr 14 06:15:08 <jack87> will it explode
Apr 14 06:15:45 <ka6sox> well...I'm not too sure it will do much of anything with i386 opcodes.
Apr 14 06:16:02 <ka6sox> last I saw ARM's didn't have an i386 emulation mode.
Apr 14 06:16:57 <jack87> i should really get some sleep for a change
Apr 14 06:17:44 <ka6sox> you would need something like linux-arm-gnueabi
Apr 14 06:19:14 <jack87> hum... might just be worth sticking with demsmall
Apr 14 06:19:18 <jack87> debsmall
Apr 14 06:20:11 <jack87> i think i need a better WM excited to see what phil has up his sleve
Apr 14 06:20:14 <jack87> sleeve
Apr 14 06:21:04 <ka6sox> yep...he is working on it.
Apr 14 06:25:31 <jack87> some programs just dont load
Apr 14 06:25:47 <jack87> like i cant get iceweal to work or terminal
Apr 14 06:28:26 <Jack87-Xorg> xchat works
Apr 14 06:30:49 <Jack87-Xorg> going to bed.. goodnight all
Apr 14 06:32:53 <ka6sox> nite jack87
Apr 14 06:33:49 <jack87> Always a pleasure ka6sox! bye
Apr 14 06:36:34 <hape_> hi, anyone here how can answer the question what realy is chnaged wit the dev mode switch => http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/241419-do-you-keep-your-phone-developer-mode.html
Apr 14 06:37:07 <hape_> Do it only enable the usb service for novaterm or more?
Apr 14 06:38:14 <hape_> when i do a 'novaterm --help' it looks to me as if novaterm could also connect to the pre over the IP stack. This would need that the Pre had a open socket waitingto be connected....
Apr 14 09:00:42 <Javier_> hello
Apr 14 12:15:50 <swisstomcat> hey
Apr 14 12:15:55 <swisstomcat> good news about the temp sensor find
Apr 14 12:16:42 <rwhitby> yep, google for "SENSORS OMAP34XX temp" gets it
Apr 14 12:17:02 <rwhitby> Now to put it in our kernel and see what it does
Apr 14 12:18:33 <swisstomcat> would be interesting to have webos run on a beagleboard
Apr 14 12:20:57 <rwhitby> ka6sox: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=122702923319691&w=2
Apr 14 12:21:11 <rwhitby> anyone know what ES version the Pre has?
Apr 14 12:22:24 <FreeTim1> that's one Hot topic
Apr 14 12:28:29 * rwhitby starts on webos version validation checking in kernel packages
Apr 14 12:46:57 <mjkjr> Morning!
Apr 14 12:47:04 <nt4cats> 'lo mjkjr
Apr 14 12:48:55 * mjkjr had to call into work today =(
Apr 14 12:49:33 <mjkjr> Does anyone have Gangstar installed?
Apr 14 12:50:06 * nt4cats doesn't do Gangstar on the phone -- I drive on the sidewalk and run around stabbing old ladies and selling herion for real
Apr 14 12:51:00 <mjkjr> :-) LMAO, wouldn't that be fun...
Apr 14 12:51:36 <nt4cats> s/herion/heroin/
Apr 14 12:51:52 <nt4cats> ~seen nt4cats
Apr 14 12:51:55 <infobot> nt4cats is currently on #webos-internals (6m 9s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen nt4cats'.
Apr 14 12:52:09 <nt4cats> is infobot alive?
Apr 14 12:52:12 <nt4cats> s/alive/working/
Apr 14 12:52:12 <infobot> nt4cats meant: is infobot working?
Apr 14 12:52:35 <nt4cats> infobot won't fix spelling mistakes in /me's
Apr 14 12:52:39 <mjkjr> infobot can't correct your actions, only what you say if that makes since
Apr 14 12:53:36 * nt4cats makes a note that a '/me' is called an 'action'
Apr 14 12:54:36 <mjkjr> I'm looking for someone else to test this script for Gangstar, who can add it into git?
Apr 14 12:56:15 <kayahr> Heyho, someone awake who can tell me how I can compile something against libavcodec? Looks like the WIDK simply creates a symlink for this library but I can't find the header files of it.
Apr 14 12:57:35 <mjkjr> all capitalization is now correct http://webos.pastebin.com/SC0bzf3a
Apr 14 12:57:48 <nt4cats> kayahr: I don't know, but zsoc (who is frequently here) does.
Apr 14 13:02:29 <kayahr> Ah, maybe it's ffmpeg I need to depend on and not libavcodec. If I remember correctly then libavcodec is part of ffmpeg. Well I'll try it out.
Apr 14 13:03:41 <nt4cats> rwhitby: aren't you on holiday this week?
Apr 14 13:06:53 <kayahr> Yes, compiling ffmpeg brings the missing include files and even the pkg-config stuff for it. Perfect. So problem solved.
Apr 14 13:08:49 * nt4cats adds +1 to kayahr's on the great webos-internals chalkboard in the sky for solving his own problem
Apr 14 13:09:05 <nt4cats> *kayahr's entry
Apr 14 13:15:00 <zsoc_wirc> anyone know who Klaus Reimer is?
Apr 14 13:16:24 <mjkjr> zsoc_wirc: is he a developer?
Apr 14 13:16:57 <zsoc_wirc> yes. a bunch of commits on our git but I'm unsure of his nick here :)
Apr 14 13:16:59 <mjkjr> ... of destroids and minimap?
Apr 14 13:17:03 <zsoc_wirc> he made destroids
Apr 14 13:17:10 <zsoc_wirc> IS IT... YUO
Apr 14 13:17:12 <zsoc_wirc> !!!
Apr 14 13:17:24 <mjkjr> lol
Apr 14 13:17:30 <zsoc_wirc> and he's german ;)
Apr 14 13:17:49 <swisstomcat> probably :)
Apr 14 13:18:07 <zsoc_wirc> sorry I hadn't got to nonworking/ yet. don't know if it screwed something up or if you were just trying to pitch in.
Apr 14 13:18:17 <zsoc_wirc> whichever one of you germans it is ;)
Apr 14 13:18:31 * mjkjr wishes he could speak german, always found it interesting
Apr 14 13:18:49 <kayahr> Huh? You are talking about me. Did I something wrong?
Apr 14 13:19:38 <swisstomcat> du bist gefragt
Apr 14 13:19:47 <zsoc_wirc> kayahr: lol no. I saw your commits and didn't know who you were. I was apologizing that I hadn't got around to fixing nonworking/, and I didn't know if you were just trying to help or if I messed something up you needed
Apr 14 13:19:56 <zsoc_wirc> no gefragt :(
Apr 14 13:20:32 <swisstomcat> willst du ein bier?
Apr 14 13:20:34 <kayahr> Just fixed some relative paths. It broke because of the new categories I think. Nothing serious.
Apr 14 13:21:33 <zsoc_wirc> kayahr: ok, thank you for pitching in :) I will take care of other things in nonworking/ later tonight, westerners time.
Apr 14 13:22:04 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: du bist ein dummer kerl xD
Apr 14 13:22:33 * mjkjr doesn't like this german talk, keeps trying to translate it with google
Apr 14 13:22:33 <swisstomcat> haha
Apr 14 13:23:05 <zsoc_wirc> s/dummer/grob/ ;)
Apr 14 13:23:10 * Lumiere isn't sure it is even good german (which google translate tends to barf on)
Apr 14 13:23:38 <swisstomcat> ich bin nicht grob, du scheisskerl ;)
Apr 14 13:23:55 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: wait, is grob 'great' or 'gross'? I can never remember lol
Apr 14 13:24:12 <swisstomcat> grob=rough
Apr 14 13:24:14 <swisstomcat> gross=big
Apr 14 13:24:28 <nt4cats> ich bin ein berliner
Apr 14 13:24:32 <zsoc_wirc> everything I say in german comes out wrong lol
Apr 14 13:24:37 * swisstomcat eats a berliner
Apr 14 13:24:38 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you are a donut indeed
Apr 14 13:24:47 <zsoc_wirc> I always wanted one
Apr 14 13:24:52 <Lumiere> lol
Apr 14 13:24:54 <swisstomcat> don't try with a pariser :)
Apr 14 13:25:16 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: why is it there are so many german words that mean bad things and so few to complement people? lol
Apr 14 13:25:29 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: beir mir bist du schane!
Apr 14 13:25:37 <dthought> "schane" ?
Apr 14 13:25:40 <Lumiere> cause germans are mean and nasty people? :) (not serious here)
Apr 14 13:25:48 <swisstomcat> schön
Apr 14 13:26:00 <swisstomcat> that's a nice song tho, zsoc
Apr 14 13:26:01 <zsoc_wirc> right.
Apr 14 13:26:10 <nt4cats> ... my favorite presidential mis-translation is that when in Poland, Jimmy Carter said "I hope that all of the hopes and dreams of the Polish people are fully realized ..." [speaking of their aspirations for freedom and democracy].  The translator said "I hope all of your sexual fantasies are fulfilled".
Apr 14 13:26:12 <zsoc_wirc> I think I just told you to beer me already lol
Apr 14 13:26:12 <swisstomcat> 1936 carnegie hall
Apr 14 13:26:36 <swisstomcat> hahaha .. nt4cats
Apr 14 13:26:44 <mjkjr> translated i got "BEIR me you're shan"
Apr 14 13:26:46 <Lumiere> do you know how hard live translation is?
Apr 14 13:27:16 <nt4cats> I absolutely believe it was an honest mistake (and I assume that Polish was not the translator's first language) ... but it was a *funny* mistake
Apr 14 13:27:23 <Lumiere> yea
Apr 14 13:27:33 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: well then, to me you are beautiful <3
Apr 14 13:27:44 <swisstomcat> bennie goodman .. 1936 .. carnegie hall ... "bei mir bist du schön"
Apr 14 13:27:45 <ka6sox> all this before coffee.
Apr 14 13:27:58 <Lumiere> ka6sox: why the hell are you talking here then
Apr 14 13:28:12 <ka6sox> I'm waiting for it to finish brewing!
Apr 14 13:28:22 * swisstomcat hides under the carpet
Apr 14 13:28:25 <Lumiere> hang the DND sign back out
Apr 14 13:28:30 <Lumiere> and sleep till it's done!
Apr 14 13:28:55 <loot-> mmm
Apr 14 13:28:58 <loot-> coffee and donuts
Apr 14 13:29:07 <Lumiere> s/donuts/bagels/
Apr 14 13:29:21 <swisstomcat> time for dinner soon
Apr 14 13:29:23 <loot-> negative
Apr 14 13:29:29 <loot-> dont hate on the blueberry cake donuts
Apr 14 13:29:31 <loot-> or the maple donuts
Apr 14 13:29:34 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, I hope the temp sensor code just drops in and runs.
Apr 14 13:29:38 <loot-> ill have to sed you out of existance!
Apr 14 13:29:42 <nt4cats> loot-: now you've done it.
Apr 14 13:29:52 <swisstomcat> that'd be cool, ka6sox
Apr 14 13:29:53 <nt4cats> loot-: I have to go make myself some blueberry bagels right now.
Apr 14 13:29:57 <mjkjr> i read about the temp sensor for CPU, awesome work ka6sox
Apr 14 13:30:01 <loot-> lol
Apr 14 13:30:14 <swisstomcat> is anyone from webos-internals coming to the developer days?
Apr 14 13:30:17 <loot-> free donuts
Apr 14 13:30:26 <loot-> to my armed guard protected government facility office
Apr 14 13:30:28 <loot-> hahaha
Apr 14 13:30:41 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, I think that jacques might be.
Apr 14 13:30:46 <FreeTim> swisstomcat: Developer days?  Is there some link - ?
Apr 14 13:30:57 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats|bagels: you and your free awesome-job food
Apr 14 13:31:14 <Lumiere> loot-: you know that's a bright red flag ;)
Apr 14 13:32:05 <swisstomcat> freetim: http://developer.palm.com/
Apr 14 13:32:21 <mjkjr> so do you have to have "special powers" to commit something in git?  I've been all over it but can't figure it out
Apr 14 13:32:29 <swisstomcat> ka6sox: cool .. looking forward to meet many people
Apr 14 13:32:35 <loot-> Lumiere: bright red flag?
Apr 14 13:32:46 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: have you sent your public key to rwhitby?
Apr 14 13:32:51 <loot-> i work at a gov facility in washington DC
Apr 14 13:32:58 <loot-> they're all protected by armed guards right now
Apr 14 13:32:59 <loot-> lol
Apr 14 13:33:05 <Lumiere> I work in Arlington
Apr 14 13:33:06 <ka6sox> is there a P|C thread on the sensor?
Apr 14 13:33:08 <swisstomcat> loot is spying on us?
Apr 14 13:33:13 <Lumiere> and bringing free food to the guards
Apr 14 13:33:21 <Lumiere> usually throws flags ;)
Apr 14 13:33:26 * ka6sox can never find anything in forums.
Apr 14 13:33:37 <loot-> good thing i dont give them free food
Apr 14 13:33:41 <Lumiere> loot-: yep
Apr 14 13:33:43 <loot-> only the IT office
Apr 14 13:33:43 <loot-> lol
Apr 14 13:33:49 * mjkjr doesn't know what a public key is
Apr 14 13:33:50 <swisstomcat> didn't see one yet, ka6sox
Apr 14 13:33:58 * swisstomcat thinks mjkjr is kidding
Apr 14 13:34:07 <loot-> sun once had a courier bring parts to us
Apr 14 13:34:16 <loot-> and they brought it to an unnamed airforce base very close to us by mistake
Apr 14 13:34:32 <loot-> and when the guy got to our gate he was white as a ghost and clearly all shaken up
Apr 14 13:34:54 <swisstomcat> what did they do to him, loot?
Apr 14 13:34:57 <loot-> so i asked him what was wrong and he said "i just had a large rifle stuck in my face for making a wrong turn... please sign here..."
Apr 14 13:35:04 <loot-> haha
Apr 14 13:35:05 <Lumiere> yep
Apr 14 13:35:12 <Lumiere> that sounds like ****ing washington
Apr 14 13:35:47 <swisstomcat> poor guy
Apr 14 13:36:07 <loot-> i had an FBI suburban flash his lights and chirp the siren at me today
Apr 14 13:36:13 <loot-> because i passed him doing 100+ on the beltway
Apr 14 13:36:18 <Lumiere> LOL
Apr 14 13:36:18 <loot-> sorry fed! no jurisdiction!
Apr 14 13:36:21 <loot-> kept right on going
Apr 14 13:36:22 <loot-> haha
Apr 14 13:36:40 <Lumiere> loot-: how long after 9/11 did National have an M16 toting guardsman behind security?
Apr 14 13:36:46 <VincentLaw> you're lucky, it may not be their jurisdiction, but they do have things called radios
Apr 14 13:36:53 <loot-> Lumiere: they still do
Apr 14 13:36:59 <Lumiere> loot-: exactly ;)
Apr 14 13:37:00 <loot-> i was just at reagan sunday
Apr 14 13:37:11 * mjkjr thought FBI had jurisdiction anywhere 
Apr 14 13:37:12 <Lumiere> gah... it ain't 'reagan' :)
Apr 14 13:37:17 <loot-> and there were several national guardsmen standing around at security with m16s
Apr 14 13:37:20 <Lumiere> it's only reagan to the republicans ;)
Apr 14 13:37:22 <ka6sox> Lumiere, you have been there too long to call it "National"
Apr 14 13:37:26 <loot-> swat there too
Apr 14 13:37:31 <loot-> with carbines
Apr 14 13:37:32 <loot-> hehe
Apr 14 13:37:39 <swisstomcat> black helicopters?
Apr 14 13:37:46 <loot-> swisstomcat: they're green actually :P
Apr 14 13:37:50 <Lumiere> ka6sox: I live/work in Arlington... we're still angry with congress
Apr 14 13:38:07 <Lumiere> for renaming our airport (in an 85% democrat county) after a republican
Apr 14 13:38:10 <loot-> heh
Apr 14 13:38:13 <Lumiere> without any input
Apr 14 13:38:14 <loot-> i use to live near the pentagon
Apr 14 13:38:16 <loot-> that was annoying
Apr 14 13:38:17 <swisstomcat> green blackhawks?
Apr 14 13:38:24 <loot-> helicopters coming and going at all hours of the day and night
Apr 14 13:38:26 <loot-> shaking the buildings
Apr 14 13:38:27 <Lumiere> loot-: Colonial Village? or further in?
Apr 14 13:38:38 <loot-> Lumiere: further all the way to the alexandria border
Apr 14 13:38:41 <Lumiere> ah
Apr 14 13:38:50 <ka6sox> Lumiere, my Sister has a place in Arlington.  so I used to visit there.
Apr 14 13:39:10 <Lumiere> I just bought a place in arlington so :)
Apr 14 13:39:17 <loot-> the other day
Apr 14 13:39:26 <loot-> i saw several large military helicopters
Apr 14 13:39:32 <loot-> carrying humvee's on straps down the potomac
Apr 14 13:39:36 <loot-> haha
Apr 14 13:39:41 <loot-> you see shit here... you only see in movies
Apr 14 13:39:56 <Lumiere> they were probably lifting them out of the protection zone down at WCC
Apr 14 13:39:57 <loot-> once saw the president coming back from andrews in his motorcade too
Apr 14 13:40:03 <loot-> they closed all of i295 north
Apr 14 13:40:07 <loot-> must have been 100+ bike cops
Apr 14 13:40:09 <Lumiere> yea
Apr 14 13:40:23 <loot-> 30 or 40 or those big armored black suburbans
Apr 14 13:40:29 <loot-> and a few of the presidential cadillac limos
Apr 14 13:40:31 <Lumiere> I remember getting to stand over the metro line on I66
Apr 14 13:40:49 <Lumiere> when Clinton did his Inaugural tour into DC
Apr 14 13:41:03 <Lumiere> they had I66 closed for like 2 hours
Apr 14 13:41:17 <loot-> helicopters buzz the woodrow wilson bridge on a daily basis too
Apr 14 13:41:30 <loot-> sometimes they fly as low as like 20 feet off the deck
Apr 14 13:41:31 <swisstomcat> WCC? protection zone?
Apr 14 13:41:37 <loot-> swisstomcat: nuclear summit
Apr 14 13:41:38 <Lumiere> Washington Convention Center
Apr 14 13:41:44 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
Apr 14 13:41:45 <Lumiere> where the Nuclear Summit was heald
Apr 14 13:42:05 <loot-> they literally closed off like
Apr 14 13:42:09 <loot-> 2 square blocks of DC
Apr 14 13:42:09 <swisstomcat> here the president just takes public transport without protection
Apr 14 13:42:14 <Lumiere> loot-: more like 10
Apr 14 13:42:20 <loot-> dump trucks and giant armored vehicles blocking everything
Apr 14 13:42:26 <loot-> Lumiere: well that was the protected zone
Apr 14 13:42:28 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: I promise there is protection
Apr 14 13:42:31 <loot-> 2 blocks from the wcc all the way around
Apr 14 13:42:37 <loot-> was fenced in and blocked by giant trucks and shit
Apr 14 13:42:40 <Lumiere> yea
Apr 14 13:42:49 <Lumiere> and a journalist for nature
Apr 14 13:42:56 <swisstomcat> lumiere: if it is very light and hidden
Apr 14 13:42:59 <Lumiere> got hit by one while riding her bike <_<
Apr 14 13:43:07 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: or very heavy and hidden
Apr 14 13:43:10 * mjkjr has generated a key
Apr 14 13:43:21 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Apr 14 13:43:22 <loot-> or very hidden and right out in the open
Apr 14 13:43:23 <loot-> dude
Apr 14 13:43:26 <loot-> DC doesnt get attacked
Apr 14 13:43:27 <swisstomcat> bundesräte walk around freely
Apr 14 13:43:30 <loot-> because every other person in DC
Apr 14 13:43:32 <loot-> is either a fed
Apr 14 13:43:33 <loot-> nsa
Apr 14 13:43:33 <loot-> cia
Apr 14 13:43:35 <loot-> ss
Apr 14 13:43:38 <loot-> dod
Apr 14 13:43:40 <loot-> etc
Apr 14 13:43:41 <Lumiere> yea it's not pretty :)
Apr 14 13:43:43 <loot-> you cant get away from it
Apr 14 13:43:43 <swisstomcat> what about tourists?
Apr 14 13:43:54 <loot-> tourists are like
Apr 14 13:43:55 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: a tourist is so obvious
Apr 14 13:44:01 <shawalli> ugh i hate the beltway...ill just stay in MD and only go to DC when necessary
Apr 14 13:44:04 <loot-> maybe 10% of the people here
Apr 14 13:44:13 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: the beltway is in DC for like
Apr 14 13:44:13 * nt4ats learned to drive on DC's beltway
Apr 14 13:44:14 <loot-> shawalli: i love the beltway
Apr 14 13:44:19 <loot-> the beltway is my own personal race track
Apr 14 13:44:20 <Lumiere> all of .11mi
Apr 14 13:44:20 <loot-> ;)
Apr 14 13:44:32 <Lumiere> yea the average speed on the beltway is like 20 over
Apr 14 13:44:34 <mjkjr> swisstomcat:  is the key fingerprint (long string of letters and numbers) what i'd want to send rwhitby?
Apr 14 13:44:42 <loot-> if you hear a loud car and then a black streak fly passed... you might have caught a glimpse of me
Apr 14 13:44:42 <shawalli> its like they have some coordination where theyre like, ohh, hes getting on the beltway, everybody stop moving
Apr 14 13:44:45 <loot-> :P
Apr 14 13:45:00 <swisstomcat> i think os mjkjr
Apr 14 13:45:02 <swisstomcat> so
Apr 14 13:45:08 <swisstomcat> how did you generate one?
Apr 14 13:45:14 <loot-> haha i dont have much problem with the beltway usually
Apr 14 13:45:18 <loot-> i pass the hell out of everyone
Apr 14 13:45:28 <shawalli> took me 2 hours to get from central MD (think arundel mills) to mclean
Apr 14 13:45:33 <Lumiere> loot-: until you get the left-lane-lollygaggers :)
Apr 14 13:45:35 <shawalli> when i left at 7am
Apr 14 13:45:39 <mjkjr> swisstomcat: ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "myemail@gmail.com"
Apr 14 13:45:47 <loot-> Lumiere: i have passed them on the shoulder before!
Apr 14 13:45:51 <loot-> not often
Apr 14 13:45:53 <loot-> but it has happened
Apr 14 13:45:53 <loot-> haha
Apr 14 13:45:58 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: do.not.travel.495 between 6 and 10 am and 4 and 8 pm
Apr 14 13:46:07 <Lumiere> err shawalli
Apr 14 13:46:07 <loot-> actually
Apr 14 13:46:12 <loot-> the beltways not bad after about 8:45am
Apr 14 13:46:15 <loot-> everyones already at work
Apr 14 13:46:18 <Lumiere> true
Apr 14 13:46:22 <shawalli> haha i know but thats the only time i need to ever be on it
Apr 14 13:46:22 <loot-> the only people on it then are the people hauling ass because they're late
Apr 14 13:46:23 * mjkjr grew up with windows so linux is new to him
Apr 14 13:46:24 <Lumiere> we are a 9-5 town
Apr 14 13:46:25 <loot-> lol
Apr 14 13:46:53 <shawalli> on a completely unrelated note, the ubuntu one music store looks pretty slick, the songs range from ~$.70 to $1.00
Apr 14 13:47:14 <loot-> i use napster or amazon for music if i buy it
Apr 14 13:47:16 <VincentLaw> but does it have music worth listening to? >.>
Apr 14 13:47:16 <loot-> easier
Apr 14 13:47:37 <loot-> one click purchase ftw
Apr 14 13:47:46 <VincentLaw> I use zune pass for 99% of my music. the other 1% I get from Amazon MP3 if I /really/ want it
Apr 14 13:48:19 <shawalli> i buy amazon too but ive always on the search for cheaper music
Apr 14 13:48:22 <shawalli> im*
Apr 14 13:48:48 <shawalli> amie st is a pretty cool business model, and i have a beta account for freeallmusic.com
Apr 14 13:49:27 <shawalli> it seems that universal and emi are always to ones to sign these cheap/free music websites (EMI wont matter soon, it seems)
Apr 14 13:50:24 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: id_rsa.pub is the one
Apr 14 13:50:43 <Lumiere> mjkjr: if anyone sees id_rsa
Apr 14 13:51:00 <Lumiere> you'll need to delete the key and recreate it
Apr 14 13:51:07 * swisstomcat uses emusic.com
Apr 14 13:51:09 <Lumiere> (as well as all of the places you use it)
Apr 14 13:51:21 <swisstomcat> id_rsa is the private key .. id_rsa.pub the public one
Apr 14 13:51:47 <Lumiere> I pirate my japanese music... cause an album there is like $30
Apr 14 13:52:32 <mjkjr> hmmm so the command i entered "ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "myemail@gmail.com" is incorrect?
Apr 14 13:52:51 <swisstomcat> last time i was in D.C was in georgetown .. in a camper
Apr 14 13:53:00 <mjkjr> I'm sorry, I'm trying to pick linux up as quickly as i can, just so used to windows
Apr 14 13:53:05 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: no, it generates two files .. private key and public key
Apr 14 13:53:14 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: just keep the private key private
Apr 14 13:53:24 <mjkjr> oh i see
Apr 14 13:53:28 <swisstomcat> it's the same on windows
Apr 14 13:53:34 <mjkjr> thank you swisstomcat
Apr 14 13:53:36 <swisstomcat> with putty-keygen
Apr 14 13:53:41 <zsoc_wirc> mjkjr: generally they are kept in ~/.ssh on linux
Apr 14 13:53:57 <zsoc_wirc> and the _pub or .pub goes off to rod
Apr 14 13:55:27 <swisstomcat> after rwhitby sets everything up you can commit/push
Apr 14 13:55:34 <swisstomcat> had to learn everything too, mjkjr
Apr 14 13:55:50 <loot-> ok
Apr 14 13:56:02 <loot-> i think the custom kernel community has matured enough
Apr 14 13:56:10 <mjkjr> =D Got it now!
Apr 14 13:56:11 <loot-> that some of you may be interested in something ive worked on quite a bit
Apr 14 13:56:24 <loot-> would anyone be interested in hardening their webOS kernel?
Apr 14 13:56:29 <swisstomcat> a secret governement kernel?
Apr 14 13:56:36 <loot-> grsecurity :P
Apr 14 13:56:54 <loot-> i ran it for about 6 months without issue
Apr 14 13:56:54 <swisstomcat> why would someone harden their phone kernel? :)
Apr 14 13:57:00 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: SELinux would be the 'secret government kernel'
Apr 14 13:57:08 <loot-> swisstomcat: i can think of a few good reasons
Apr 14 13:57:12 <en0x> SELinux is shit
Apr 14 13:57:15 <swisstomcat> i don't want any americans spying on me, thank you
Apr 14 13:57:22 <loot-> remote attack surface is low
Apr 14 13:57:25 <loot-> but
Apr 14 13:57:29 <loot-> you still run a web browser
Apr 14 13:57:31 <loot-> email clients
Apr 14 13:57:32 <loot-> etc
Apr 14 13:57:33 <loot-> on your phone
Apr 14 13:57:47 <loot-> so your local attack surface is very large
Apr 14 13:57:54 <loot-> especially since EVERYTHING RUNS AS DAMN ROOT
Apr 14 13:57:54 <loot-> :(
Apr 14 13:58:14 <loot-> its actually not that complicated to get working
Apr 14 13:58:33 <loot-> i just never published any of the research into doing it because i didnt think anyone would bother using it
Apr 14 13:58:34 <swisstomcat> how big is the attack surface with dev mode off?
Apr 14 13:59:06 <loot-> swisstomcat: still big enough.. read only does not mean that the rest of the device is protected and they can still abuse you with memory :P
Apr 14 13:59:28 <loot-> if they can get in once.. whats stopping them from getting in again if you reboot the phone and wipe out their backdoor running in memory
Apr 14 13:59:31 <loot-> :P
Apr 14 13:59:31 <zsoc_wirc> you can abuse any kernel with null pointers
Apr 14 13:59:55 <loot-> zsoc_wirc: truthish
Apr 14 13:59:56 <swisstomcat> how realistic is such a threat?
Apr 14 14:00:02 <loot-> grsec does a great deal
Apr 14 14:00:13 <loot-> to try to reduce the surface area of a null pointer deref
Apr 14 14:00:41 <bpadalino|work> by null you mean invalid pointer ?
Apr 14 14:00:45 <loot-> swisstomcat: very... im sure if i fuzzed the messaging client in webos i'd find dozens of bugs that could be exploited by sending you a text message
Apr 14 14:00:55 <loot-> the web browser is probably no better
Apr 14 14:01:11 <swisstomcat> hmm
Apr 14 14:01:18 <swisstomcat> how secure is webkit in general?
Apr 14 14:01:21 <swisstomcat> and does it run as root?
Apr 14 14:01:21 <loot-> bpadalino|work: a good example of such bugs is spender's cheddar bay exploit
Apr 14 14:01:28 <loot-> its null pointer dereferencing
Apr 14 14:01:37 <loot-> swisstomcat: everything does on the pre
Apr 14 14:01:42 <swisstomcat> ouch
Apr 14 14:01:47 <loot-> its sand boxed
Apr 14 14:01:51 <loot-> but thats not good enough IMO
Apr 14 14:01:53 <swisstomcat> what would be the reason for doing that?
Apr 14 14:01:57 * mjkjr is downloading NOVA to see what all the hype is about
Apr 14 14:02:03 <loot-> swisstomcat: speed of development
Apr 14 14:02:06 <zsoc_wirc> bpadalino: http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022732.html
Apr 14 14:02:10 <zsoc_wirc> as an example
Apr 14 14:02:17 <bpadalino|work> thanks zsoc
Apr 14 14:02:17 <loot-> it would have taken them much longer to figure out all the little quirks of making things run as non-privileged users
Apr 14 14:02:39 <zsoc_wirc> mjkjr: nova is a mildly fun time imo
Apr 14 14:02:56 * swisstomcat wishes he could buy apps at all
Apr 14 14:02:58 * mjkjr is hoping to add NOVA support now to Save/Restore along with Gangstar =)
Apr 14 14:03:14 <swisstomcat> i see, loot
Apr 14 14:03:18 * mjkjr feels bad for swisstomcat
Apr 14 14:03:27 <swisstomcat> what does android do?
Apr 14 14:03:31 <loot-> ive been complaining about the everything runs as root problem
Apr 14 14:03:33 <loot-> since i got my phone
Apr 14 14:03:46 <swisstomcat> or apple?
Apr 14 14:03:48 <loot-> swisstomcat: android doesnt... they sandbox as non-privileged user
Apr 14 14:03:56 <loot-> crapple also sand boxes as non-priv user
Apr 14 14:04:02 <mjkjr> zsoc_wirc: mildly fun? lol
Apr 14 14:04:06 <swisstomcat> hmmm
Apr 14 14:04:29 <loot-> like ive said a hundred times
Apr 14 14:04:35 <loot-> if they'd fix the everything runs as root problem
Apr 14 14:04:37 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: i'll probably get another phone and register it in germany ... or an american phone
Apr 14 14:04:39 <loot-> i would have 0 complaints about webos
Apr 14 14:04:47 <loot-> well
Apr 14 14:04:50 <loot-> i'd have a small complain
Apr 14 14:04:52 <loot-> t
Apr 14 14:05:00 <loot-> that they dont compile everything for armv7
Apr 14 14:05:01 <loot-> :/
Apr 14 14:05:01 <swisstomcat> even the native apps run as root?
Apr 14 14:05:08 <loot-> yep
Apr 14 14:05:09 <loot-> everything
Apr 14 14:05:12 <swisstomcat> on android?
Apr 14 14:05:13 <loot-> open terminal
Apr 14 14:05:17 <loot-> and type ps auxw
Apr 14 14:05:25 <loot-> i think there are like
Apr 14 14:05:28 <bpadalino|work> loot-: but the pixi is armv6
Apr 14 14:05:28 <loot-> 3 procs that dont run as root
Apr 14 14:05:40 <loot-> bpadalino|work: i know thats why its a small complaint
Apr 14 14:05:43 <bpadalino|work> ah ok
Apr 14 14:05:50 <loot-> i just want neon
Apr 14 14:05:51 <loot-> lol
Apr 14 14:05:52 <mjkjr> swisstomcat: you shouldn't have to do that just to get apps IMO, just doesn't seem right
Apr 14 14:06:19 <loot-> i dont think you can use neon when its compiled armv5
Apr 14 14:06:21 <swisstomcat> mjkjr: i know .. but what can you do .. i don't get why they are restricting app sales in their current condition
Apr 14 14:06:27 <loot-> i think you CAN if its armv6 but im not 100%
Apr 14 14:06:35 <loot-> havent messed with it enough
Apr 14 14:06:46 <swisstomcat> if you can buy apps in germany why not in switzerland
Apr 14 14:06:50 <bpadalino|work> NEON is an armv7 and above feature i thought
Apr 14 14:06:57 <swisstomcat> or austria
Apr 14 14:06:59 <swisstomcat> or italy
Apr 14 14:07:05 <loot-> i thought it was included in armv6 but limited functionality
Apr 14 14:07:15 <loot-> or is that floating point only?
Apr 14 14:07:19 <bpadalino|work> vfp was armv6 i thought
Apr 14 14:07:20 * loot- cant remember exactly
Apr 14 14:07:23 <loot-> ah ok
Apr 14 14:07:41 <bpadalino|work> geist would probably know off the top of his head since he is a CPU architecture madman
Apr 14 14:08:09 <loot-> at any rate... not compiling as armv7 is probably wasting battery, clocks, and hindering the overall speed of webos in the end
Apr 14 14:08:32 <swisstomcat> why would you restrict app sales to countries where the pre/pixi is sold
Apr 14 14:09:15 <loot-> i wonder if pixi sales actually justify having to support 2 platforms
Apr 14 14:09:22 <loot-> probably not
Apr 14 14:09:57 <swisstomcat> yeah, not a good idea
Apr 14 14:10:22 <swisstomcat> upgrade the pixi2 to armv7 and of course something faster for the pre2
Apr 14 14:11:31 <loot-> i say make them both armv7 at least so you can compile the whole OS to be more optimized
Apr 14 14:11:48 <mjkjr> yeah it doesn't really make sense, especially since a lot of people outside of the US speak english.
Apr 14 14:11:56 <swisstomcat> what is snapdragon and the like? armv8?
Apr 14 14:11:58 <loot-> these 1ghz+ arm days i dont think speed is a major concern but battery life is
Apr 14 14:12:02 <bpadalino|work> ha!
Apr 14 14:12:20 <kayahr> Me again. Maybe somebody knows how I can use the hardware acceleration for h264 decoding? I compiled vlc and it plays the h264 but it is VERY slow.
Apr 14 14:13:17 <loot-> hmm
Apr 14 14:13:27 <loot-> that might be done with mmu+trustzone
Apr 14 14:14:00 <loot-> i know they do DRM with trustzone but i dont know about standard codecs
Apr 14 14:14:03 <zsoc_wirc> kayahr: you cant
Apr 14 14:14:31 <zsoc_wirc> kayahr: you can, however, compile ffmpeg to use x264 very efficiently.
Apr 14 14:15:31 <kayahr> zsoc_wirc: And the ffmpeg in the WIDK isn't already compiled to do it efficiently?
Apr 14 14:15:36 <loot-> there again
Apr 14 14:15:41 <loot-> if it was armv7 compiled
Apr 14 14:15:44 <loot-> you could use neon
Apr 14 14:15:46 <loot-> :(
Apr 14 14:16:10 <loot-> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/neon.php
Apr 14 14:16:51 <zsoc_wirc> kayahr: not really. the magic happens in the x264 configuration, which afaik is standard in ffmpeg
Apr 14 14:16:53 <loot-> they claim armv7+neon is 3x the performance of the current webos armv5 compile
Apr 14 14:16:56 <loot-> :(
Apr 14 14:17:29 <loot-> if we had neon
Apr 14 14:17:37 <loot-> we could be doing composite rendering
Apr 14 14:17:46 <bpadalino|work> loot-: don't get all sad so quickly .. disassemble all the important parts and see where the vector floating point operations happen
Apr 14 14:17:59 <bpadalino|work> i believe all the stuff where NEON can be used, it's compiled in for each appropriate platform
Apr 14 14:18:04 <bpadalino|work> i believe in libPiranha
Apr 14 14:18:17 <loot-> but
Apr 14 14:18:20 <loot-> has to be compiled static
Apr 14 14:18:21 <loot-> and
Apr 14 14:18:26 <loot-> i dont know if that works
Apr 14 14:18:31 <loot-> becasue the entire kernel is compiled v5
Apr 14 14:18:33 <loot-> if im not mistaken
Apr 14 14:19:04 <bpadalino|work> isn't the ABI the same ?
Apr 14 14:19:06 <loot-> well... i suppose app doesnt need to be static but you need to carefully tip toe around shared objects
Apr 14 14:19:11 <loot-> ya but
Apr 14 14:19:15 <loot-> it can bite you in the butt
Apr 14 14:20:06 <loot-> i know the games on the pre they build all their dependencies and everything i thought
Apr 14 14:20:11 <loot-> so that everything is optimized
Apr 14 14:21:38 <bpadalino|work> i'm not a linux kernel expert by any means, or a shared/static library guru either
Apr 14 14:22:16 <loot-> i do know if it werent for the pixi... they would have already compiled everything for v7
Apr 14 14:25:56 <bpadalino|work> all i was saying is that i don't think the situation is as dire as you propose
Apr 14 14:27:19 <kayahr> I just noticed that x264 was compiled with the -mfpu=neon option. Does that mean that I should already have this magic neon acceleration?
Apr 14 14:30:16 <bpadalino|work> i may be wrong, but i believe the dsp is actually used in practice for h264 decoding .. and is loaded dynamically - not sure that anyone in this channel has understood how the DSP plays into the whole thing yet
Apr 14 14:32:56 <zsoc_wirc> bpadalino: sure we do, but he didn't ask how it's done currently
Apr 14 14:33:30 <zsoc_wirc> palm gstreamer plugins are custom written to use the TI DSP bridge module
Apr 14 14:33:46 <zsoc_wirc> and closed source (altho the TI docs are open)
Apr 14 14:34:05 <bpadalino|work> ah gotcha
Apr 14 14:34:14 <bpadalino|work> zsoc is the man then
Apr 14 14:34:19 <zsoc_wirc> I guess I confused hw accel for gpu accel
Apr 14 14:34:22 <zsoc_wirc> my bad
Apr 14 14:34:33 <swisstomcat> if you guys give me a list of questions i'm going to grill some palm engineers at the developer days
Apr 14 14:35:10 <bpadalino|work> zsoc, no worries :)
Apr 14 14:35:28 <bpadalino|work> zsoc, i'd go so far as to say the DSP is really a coprocessor and not really hardware accelerated
Apr 14 14:35:37 <loot-> wish i could get out of work to attend these things
Apr 14 14:35:46 <loot-> a friend of mine that works for wachovia/wells fargo
Apr 14 14:35:54 <loot-> was paid to attend the damn visual studio launch party in las vegas this week
Apr 14 14:36:01 * loot- shakes fist
Apr 14 14:36:06 <swisstomcat> i'm taking days off work to go
Apr 14 14:36:09 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: if you run in chris or the other media guys, make them opensource fileindexer, mediaserver, and camd
Apr 14 14:36:09 * mjkjr isn't a developer but still wishes he could go to palm dev days
Apr 14 14:36:12 <djk1> Is there a way to manage apps and launcher pages from the desktop? drag them around one by one is tedious
Apr 14 14:36:14 <zsoc_wirc> at gun point if you have to
Apr 14 14:36:36 <swisstomcat> djk1: use itunes for that? ;)
Apr 14 14:36:39 <mjkjr> =D
Apr 14 14:37:14 <swisstomcat> zsoc: shoot me an email so i remember .. mleut@yahoo.com
Apr 14 14:37:19 <FreeTim> djk1: no, but the 4x4 Icons No Arrows Plus More patch is really great for fitting more per-page
Apr 14 14:37:57 <swisstomcat> djk1: but i agree a web interface for such things would be great
Apr 14 14:38:06 <swisstomcat> like that interface to those kin-phones
Apr 14 14:38:19 <djk1> yeah I have the 4x4 but want to make pages for News, Games etc and would like ot be able to bulk select and move them
Apr 14 14:39:07 <swisstomcat> is the launcher information stores in a database?
Apr 14 14:39:10 <swisstomcat> stored^^
Apr 14 14:39:17 <djk1> There are some things at work better on a PC
Apr 14 14:40:06 <en0x> even in iphone u can't move few apps to different page hmmm
Apr 14 14:40:11 <swisstomcat> a webinterface called from the pc
Apr 14 14:40:22 <swisstomcat> from a desktop-browser
Apr 14 14:40:24 <bpadalino|work> djk1, yeah that's a good idea ..
Apr 14 14:40:31 <djk1> swisstomcat: you're thinking the right way some kind of app. like the web page would be good
Apr 14 14:40:45 <bpadalino|work> i wonder where in the luna configuration that stuff is stored
Apr 14 14:40:53 <bpadalino|work> djk1, can you find out ?
Apr 14 14:41:20 <Lumiere> even on the phone
Apr 14 14:41:37 <Lumiere> something like a launcher configuration screen
Apr 14 14:41:38 <swisstomcat> on a related note, have you guys tested the host-mode of the emulator?
Apr 14 14:41:53 <djk1> you can move them to other pages on the phone but it is a one by one process
Apr 14 14:42:02 <Lumiere> djk1: I know
Apr 14 14:42:14 <Lumiere> where you can re-arrange icons and pages would be nice
Apr 14 14:42:25 <djk1> right
Apr 14 14:42:49 <swisstomcat> just install a webserver on the pre and create some scripts
Apr 14 14:43:05 <djk1> and having a PC base way of doing it would be nice. sometime a keyboard and mouse interface is faster and more accurate
Apr 14 14:43:07 <swisstomcat> that interface with the launcher configuration
Apr 14 14:43:31 <Lumiere> djk1: how about a click to select swipe left/right to move between pages
Apr 14 14:43:32 <djk1> swisstomcat: that could work
Apr 14 14:43:52 <Lumiere> where you could select 4-5 items and swipe them to the next page
Apr 14 14:44:08 <swisstomcat> what's the smallest webserver?
Apr 14 14:44:10 <Lumiere> imo I don't want a web server
Apr 14 14:44:15 <Lumiere> on the pre at all
Apr 14 14:44:19 <hape_> hi, anyone here how can answer the question what realy is chnaged wit the dev mode switch => http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/241419-do-you-keep-your-phone-developer-mode.html
Apr 14 14:44:23 <hape_> Do it only enable the usb service for novaterm or more?
Apr 14 14:44:28 <hape_> when i do a 'novaterm --help' it looks to me as if novaterm could also connect to the pre over the IP stack. This would need that the Pre had a open socket waitingto be connected....
Apr 14 14:44:55 <djk1> ctrl+click to select grouping then swipe or menu select page to move to
Apr 14 14:45:05 <swisstomcat> why not, lumiere
Apr 14 14:45:13 <bpadalino|work> hape_, novacomd is an interface which connects the usb port to an open socket on your local machine ..
Apr 14 14:46:04 <hape_> bpadalino|work: thnaks, so there is no remote risc to leav it on.
Apr 14 14:46:08 <djk1> I can understand not want an webserver on the phone but if it could be started and stopped as needed it might be one solution that would work across various OS's
Apr 14 14:46:36 <bpadalino|work> hape_, not that i am aware of
Apr 14 14:47:05 <swisstomcat> i'm sure it could be secured accordingly .. or only started when necessary
Apr 14 14:47:22 * mjkjr wonders why emulator works fine running windows but everything in the SDK shows .ink when I'm running linux
Apr 14 14:47:44 <swisstomcat> .ink?
Apr 14 14:47:57 <Lumiere> swisstomcat: true, but I don't want to use my pre to have servers
Apr 14 14:48:06 <Lumiere> .ink is the windows shortcut isn't it?
Apr 14 14:48:37 <Lumiere> mjkjr: all you should need in linux is virtualbox and the location of the sdk emulator OS install
Apr 14 14:48:49 <swisstomcat> .lnk
Apr 14 14:48:50 <swisstomcat> yes
Apr 14 14:49:11 <swisstomcat> the sdk should be in /opt/PalmSDK
Apr 14 14:49:19 <mjkjr> yes i meant .lnk
Apr 14 14:49:27 <swisstomcat> what linux are you on and how did u install the sdk?
Apr 14 14:50:01 <mjkjr> i'm on ubuntu ATM and the SDK was installed on vista, do i need to install it again?
Apr 14 14:50:01 * swisstomcat uses ubuntu 9.10 x64
Apr 14 14:50:32 <swisstomcat> yes
Apr 14 14:50:51 <swisstomcat> ah, you've connected your vista drive?
Apr 14 14:50:55 <mjkjr> i simply mounted my d: drive thinking that i could just open up the SDK that way
Apr 14 14:50:56 <mjkjr> yep
Apr 14 14:51:07 <swisstomcat> easier if you just install the linux sdk
Apr 14 14:51:20 <swisstomcat> how do you use the emulator right now?
Apr 14 14:52:05 <mjkjr> i'd reboot my machine into vista, just trying to stay away from windows to learn more about linux
Apr 14 14:53:07 <swisstomcat> i see
Apr 14 14:53:23 <swisstomcat> follow the instructions on the sdk page
Apr 14 14:53:26 <swisstomcat> to install the linux sdk, virtualbox and java
Apr 14 14:53:33 <swisstomcat> then you don't need windows anymore :)
Apr 14 14:53:39 * mjkjr is going to download the SDK again.  It just doesn't make sense to have one for vista and one for linux wasting hdd space
Apr 14 14:53:59 <swisstomcat> hdd space is cheap
Apr 14 14:54:06 <swisstomcat> how big is the skd? 200mb?
Apr 14 14:54:14 <mjkjr> yeah, lol
Apr 14 14:54:43 <swisstomcat> you can delete windows .. talk about wasting space there ;)
Apr 14 14:54:45 <mjkjr> all of these 200mb files add up, old pixi doctors, pre doctors, sdk's, ha
Apr 14 14:55:10 <swisstomcat> i only have a 60gb harddisk but even that is plenty
Apr 14 14:55:37 <hape_> einhorn
Apr 14 14:55:51 <hape_> sorry wrong windows
Apr 14 14:56:59 <mjkjr> well mine is 80 so maybe I will just reinstall ubuntu by itself instead of beside vista.  I just haven't fully made the jump to linux yet.
Apr 14 14:58:50 <nt4ats> I haven't had a disk smaller than 200G in quite a while.
Apr 14 14:59:26 <mjkjr> well lucky you nt4ats, are you missing a letter in your name or something?
Apr 14 14:59:37 <swisstomcat> i have an SSD ... everything over 60/80gb is too expensive
Apr 14 14:59:55 <nt4ats> <--- tricked his employer into buying a 256G SSD for his personal laptop
Apr 14 15:00:01 <swisstomcat> whoa
Apr 14 15:00:15 <swisstomcat> lucky you
Apr 14 15:00:27 <swisstomcat> i could only afford at vertex 60gb .. at least it's fast
Apr 14 15:00:45 <VincentLaw> what brand of 256GB SSD
Apr 14 15:00:49 <nt4ats> swisstomcat: they were going to buy me a loaded/stacked laptop ... I said I already had a pretty stacked laptop -- so instead of buying me a $1500 laptop how about you spend 1/3 of that and get me a big SSD?
Apr 14 15:00:50 <VincentLaw> there's good and bad ssds :/
Apr 14 15:01:14 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 14 15:01:31 <swisstomcat> i've got one ocz vertex and one intel x25
Apr 14 15:01:49 <swisstomcat> vincentlaw: not good and bad .. rather fast and slow :)
Apr 14 15:01:59 <nt4ats> VincentLaw: I have a Samsung P800 ... it is a good disk, but I have the Dell OEM version where they screwed up the firmware and made firmware upgrades very-difficult/nearly-impossilbe
Apr 14 15:02:35 <nt4ats> s/P800/PM800/
Apr 14 15:02:37 <infobot> nt4ats meant: VincentLaw: I have a Samsung PM800 ... it is a good disk, but I have the Dell OEM version where they screwed up the firmware and made firmware upgrades very-difficult/nearly-impossilbe
Apr 14 15:04:15 <VincentLaw> yeah
Apr 14 15:04:19 <swisstomcat> bbl
Apr 14 15:04:37 <VincentLaw> I want a 120GB SSD
Apr 14 15:04:43 <VincentLaw> but I can't afford that kind
Apr 14 15:08:05 <nt4ats> VincentLaw: I couldn't afford it if I was paying for it
Apr 14 15:17:57 * zsoc_wirc gives nt4ats back his c
Apr 14 15:18:09 <nt4ats> zsoc_wirc,  I didn't even notice that
Apr 14 15:18:23 <zsoc_wirc> I'm a good theif
Apr 14 15:18:58 <nt4cats> I was confused when mjkjr said "are you missing a letter in your name or something?" -- I looked at my name and said to myself "no, that's fine"
Apr 14 15:19:11 <mjkjr> lol =D
Apr 14 15:31:35 <FreeTim> maybe you're catnip4cats
Apr 14 15:40:16 * mjkjr just stumbled upon his next project http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/External_Battery_Pack
Apr 14 15:40:20 <mjkjr> neat..
Apr 14 15:43:14 * nt4cats just stumbled upon his next project http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/External_Jet_Pack
Apr 14 15:46:35 * VincentLaw just stumbled upon his next project http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/External_Flux_Capacitor
Apr 14 15:54:50 <mjkjr> ha ha
Apr 14 15:54:57 <beelzabub1> morning guys
Apr 14 15:56:46 <beelzabub1> catching up on my despair posters - haven't read them in a while. there's some really good new ones
Apr 14 15:56:48 <nt4cats> VincentLaw: If I had a flux capacitor I could probably make it through a whole day without recharging my Pre ...
Apr 14 15:57:05 <zsoc_wirc> beelzabub1: I haven't seen them since 08
Apr 14 15:57:08 <nt4cats> ... so let me know how that goes
Apr 14 15:57:11 <beelzabub1> yup - same here
Apr 14 15:59:56 <beelzabub1> damn - i was hoping my subconcious would solve my problems during sleep
Apr 14 16:00:21 <beelzabub1> stupid subconcious - why can't you be smarter.  that's it, i'm going to drive out your voice with alcohol
Apr 14 16:07:06 <loot-> the bit of conscience, like the bit of a dog into a stone, is a stupidity
Apr 14 16:07:15 <loot-> s/bit/bite/
Apr 14 16:07:16 <infobot> loot- meant: the bite of conscience, like the bit of a dog into a stone, is a stupidity
Apr 14 16:14:33 * mjkjr see's kernels in Preware
Apr 14 16:27:52 <nt4cats|afk> Kernels!
Apr 14 16:30:08 <loot-> we can destroy only as creators
Apr 14 17:16:26 <bpadalino|work> oh interesting ..
Apr 14 17:16:50 <bpadalino|work> another capital firm took on a 9.48% passive stake in Palm
Apr 14 17:23:57 <mjkjr> is there anything on the wiki about setting up ssh
Apr 14 17:25:02 <FreeTim> Do you want to telnet in, using SSH? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Putty
Apr 14 17:25:19 <bpadalino|work> you should be able to install OpenSSH from the optware feed in preware
Apr 14 17:25:39 <nt4cats> mkjkr: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Apr 14 17:26:59 <nt4cats> mjkjr: ... and for more general information on using Optware, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware
Apr 14 17:29:17 <mjkjr> thank you FreeTim and nt4cats
Apr 14 17:41:55 * sbromwich just got another pre sold at the hospital... sadly no commish
Apr 14 17:44:34 <ka6sox> sbromwich, too bad...
Apr 14 17:47:03 <sbromwich> better than a blackberry
Apr 14 17:47:23 <sbromwich> I think all the tech people are going to go pre here now since it follows required security procedures
Apr 14 17:47:39 <sbromwich> iphones are forbidden because jailbroken phones don't wipe
Apr 14 17:48:50 * ka6sox likes the sound of iphones and forbidden in the same sentence.
Apr 14 17:48:56 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 14 17:49:43 <sbromwich> NS is getting a new healthcare privacy law coming in... $50k fine and 10 months in jail per offense (ie... per *patient* whose data is lost)
Apr 14 17:50:06 <sbromwich> hence, iphones are forbidden.
Apr 14 17:50:28 <sbromwich> security admin had swelling in his pants when he heard cryptofs enabled by default
Apr 14 17:50:36 <bpadalino|work> aren't emails in the local db for the pre still stored in plaintext, tho ?
Apr 14 17:50:39 <ka6sox> I have several Drs who have run afoul of HIPAA laws.
Apr 14 17:50:58 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: PIN failure will wipe the device
Apr 14 17:51:35 <ka6sox> sbromwich has all of NS switch to Pres thereby saving palm.
Apr 14 17:51:44 <bpadalino|work> can you use the volume up trick to reboot the device into bootie and read the filesystem ?
Apr 14 17:51:47 <kendrX> I need help
Apr 14 17:52:14 <nt4cats> kendrX: please tell us what you need help with, don't just tell us you need help
Apr 14 17:52:34 <kendrX> I am using preware 9.35t
Apr 14 17:53:07 <bpadalino|work> ... from the future?!?1
Apr 14 17:53:39 <ka6sox> excellent...I like tech support questions about things that haven't been even thought of :D
Apr 14 17:54:50 <ka6sox> go ahead KendrX...we are just having fun (better than being boring)
Apr 14 17:54:52 <kendrX> the problem is with the patch sms tones per contact.  I love the patch but it broke after I woke to find my phone updated to e.d or whatever.
Apr 14 17:54:54 <nt4cats> the preware alpha release notes say 0.9.57 is "based on 0.9.35"
Apr 14 17:55:18 <kendrX> it won't update.  It won't remove.
Apr 14 17:55:58 <ka6sox> e.d?
Apr 14 17:57:44 <kendrX> I keep getting ipkg errors.  I don't know but, can I manually uninstall an installed patch?
Apr 14 17:57:53 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: I can't, no, because I ripped the volume switch off
Apr 14 17:58:43 <ka6sox> kendrX, pastebin the errors and link them here.
Apr 14 17:58:56 <ka6sox> kendrX have you tried to use wosqi on it?
Apr 14 17:59:38 <kendrX> I can copyand paste them...idk what paste bin means.
Apr 14 18:00:24 <ka6sox> pastebin.com allows you to paste larger things so it doesn't flood a IRC channel.
Apr 14 18:02:06 <nt4cats> kendrX: go to http://webos.pastebin.com.  Copy and paste your error message(s) into the text area on the page.  It will generate a 'unique' URL for you in the address bar.  Copy and paste just the URL here.
Apr 14 18:03:06 <ka6sox> what he said ^^^
Apr 14 19:14:35 <jacques_pre> howdy
Apr 14 19:15:30 <jacques_pre> someone pinged me yesterday, but I didn't have that laptop configured with a big enough backlog
Apr 14 19:15:48 <jacques_pre> so I don't know who it was
Apr 14 19:16:11 <zsoc_wirc> not I said the fly
Apr 14 19:20:49 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, me
Apr 14 19:21:22 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: howdy
Apr 14 19:21:41 <ka6sox> hiya, are you going to the developer conference too?
Apr 14 19:22:34 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: the palm dev days?
Apr 14 19:23:57 <ka6sox> ya
Apr 14 19:24:32 <jacques_pre> yes, are you?
Apr 14 19:24:35 <loot-> mmm
Apr 14 19:24:42 <loot-> installing my x25-m 160gig ssd in my laptop
Apr 14 19:24:45 <jacques_pre> that would rock
Apr 14 19:28:38 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: did I lose you?
Apr 14 19:28:57 <ka6sox> no, I'm troubleshooting a 30mile MIMO shot.
Apr 14 19:29:09 <ka6sox> when is it?
Apr 14 19:29:41 * oil should go to one of these palm/sprint things before they're bought xD
Apr 14 19:29:55 <jacques_pre> fri apr 23 - sat apr 24
Apr 14 19:30:20 <loot-> livecd ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sda1
Apr 14 19:30:20 <loot-> /dev/sda1:
Apr 14 19:30:21 <loot->  Timing cached reads:    7720 MB in  1.99 seconds = 3871.81 MB/sec
Apr 14 19:30:21 <loot->  Timing buffered disk reads:  132 MB in   0.51 seconds = 258.02 MB/sec
Apr 14 19:30:22 <loot-> mmmmmm
Apr 14 19:30:53 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, do I need to register? I might be up that way then.
Apr 14 19:31:48 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: yeah, and pay $25
Apr 14 19:32:10 <jacques_pre> loot-: nice!
Apr 14 19:34:05 <jacques_pre> grilled mackerel is salty delicious
Apr 14 19:35:00 <sbromwich> raw mackerel is uberscrummy
Apr 14 19:35:05 <sbromwich> mmmsushimmm
Apr 14 19:35:16 <sbromwich> thanks jacques_pre I think I know where I'm going for supper :-)
Apr 14 19:35:40 <mjkjr> mackernal?
Apr 14 19:35:50 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 14 19:35:53 <sbromwich> sushi shige
Apr 14 19:35:59 <sbromwich> best sushi in town
Apr 14 19:36:22 <jacques_pre> sbromwich: :-)
Apr 14 19:36:36 * mjkjr has never had sushi because he's always been told how bad raw food is
Apr 14 19:36:42 * jacques_pre loves raw mackerel
Apr 14 19:37:20 <jacques_pre> I have never had cooked mackerel before today IIRC
Apr 14 19:39:15 <loot-> hah
Apr 14 19:39:24 <loot-> this x25-m isnt as fast as the x25-e for writes
Apr 14 19:39:29 <loot-> but i swear its faster for reads so far
Apr 14 19:39:33 <loot-> not by much
Apr 14 19:39:36 <loot-> but slightly
Apr 14 19:40:40 <zsoc_wirc> mackeral is AMAZERING
Apr 14 19:42:01 * jacques_pre is at the mall in Japantown SF
Apr 14 19:42:04 <zsoc_wirc> ka6sox: 30 mile 2.4ghz?
Apr 14 19:42:19 <zsoc_wirc> jacques_pre: get me some pockey
Apr 14 19:42:27 <hape_> Ad
Apr 14 19:42:31 <zsoc_wirc> and don't confuse 'futari' and 'futanari'.
Apr 14 19:42:32 <ka6sox> zsoc_wirc, 5.8ghz
Apr 14 19:42:43 <zsoc_wirc> ka6sox-work: even more fun D:
Apr 14 19:43:26 <jacques_pre> zsoc_wirc: there is a store here that sells that sort of thing - I got some of those galatinous rice balls yesterday
Apr 14 19:43:40 <zsoc_wirc> nice
Apr 14 19:43:46 <jacques_pre> going back today to get more things
Apr 14 19:44:14 <jacques_pre> they have same stuff as the 7-11 in tokyo
Apr 14 19:46:09 <jacques_pre> lots of green tea drinks
Apr 14 19:46:33 <jacques_pre> roasted rice drink with green tea too
Apr 14 19:50:33 <oil> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/14/opera-mini-now-the-number-one-free-download-in-all-22-app-stores/
Apr 14 19:50:37 <oil> WTG opera
Apr 14 19:50:54 <jacques_pre>  wow
Apr 14 20:02:14 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, they are replacing the motherboard today @ OSUOSL.
Apr 14 20:06:13 <oil> oh, game gripper
Apr 14 20:06:20 * oil hopes for pre version
Apr 14 20:12:18 <dtzWill> holy crap this new router is so much better
Apr 14 20:12:33 <dtzWill> QoS working like it should, with tcp vegas as well
Apr 14 20:12:34 <dtzWill> hot damn
Apr 14 20:12:56 * dtzWill welcomes himself to the world of decent network equipment the rest of the tech world already enjoys
Apr 14 20:13:30 * oil has been running a wrt45g with ddwrt on it for a long time
Apr 14 20:14:00 <loot-> hehe
Apr 14 20:14:05 <loot-> i havent used an integrated router
Apr 14 20:14:06 <loot-> in forever
Apr 14 20:14:14 <dtzWill> oil: just got the wrt54gl (same deal as original wrt54g, before they switched to vxworks)
Apr 14 20:14:19 <dtzWill> oil: running tomato, but same idea
Apr 14 20:17:28 <oil> everyone should go
Apr 14 20:17:29 <oil> http://sites.google.com/site/gamegripper/other-phones/request-form
Apr 14 20:17:37 <oil> and tell them you want pre support :)
Apr 14 20:17:52 <VincentLaw> nope :p
Apr 14 20:17:59 <VincentLaw> keyboard works fine for gaming on the pre IMO
Apr 14 20:18:08 <VincentLaw> they should make one for the EVO which has no keyboard >.>
Apr 14 20:18:16 <oil> no it doesnt
Apr 14 20:18:28 <oil> not as good as a dpad would be
Apr 14 20:18:46 <VincentLaw> considering all it does is press the keys on said keyboard I'd disagree :p
Apr 14 20:18:49 <jacques_pre> zsoc_wirc: they have like 10 kinds of pocky here, not counting clones
Apr 14 20:18:57 <oil> the form is what matters
Apr 14 20:19:03 <oil> using 4 keys as a dpad on just hte kb
Apr 14 20:19:05 <oil> is garbage
Apr 14 20:19:09 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 14 20:19:17 <VincentLaw> besides, the QSWA layout is actually really comfortable
Apr 14 20:19:26 <jacques_pre> re rwhitby
Apr 14 20:21:03 <jacques_pre> dried squid and roasted mackerel snacks too
Apr 14 20:22:08 <sbromwich> 10 minutes till sushi shige opens
Apr 14 20:22:12 <sbromwich> jacques_pre: stop making me hunger
Apr 14 20:22:49 <rwhitby> mjkjr: key added, please commit gangstar script
Apr 14 20:24:15 <jacques_pre> hey, pocari sweat
Apr 14 20:24:48 <rwhitby> loot-: do you want to submit some patches for an experimental SELinux kernel?
Apr 14 20:25:30 <mjkjr> rwhitby: will do soon as i get this ipupdate.conf file figured out that i've been messing with
Apr 14 20:25:48 <sbromwich> supper time, laters :-)
Apr 14 20:26:32 <loot-> rwhitby: no grsecurity
Apr 14 20:26:36 <loot-> selinux is terrible
Apr 14 20:26:52 <loot-> huuuuuge performance gouge to watch system calls for no major benefit honestly
Apr 14 20:27:12 <loot-> and selinux does not include any of the other nice hardening features that grsecurity has
Apr 14 20:27:25 <loot-> plus selinux is already in the regular old linux kernel it just needs auditing enabled
Apr 14 20:28:38 <loot-> i had to use some finesse to get grsec to work with 2.6.24
Apr 14 20:28:49 <loot-> backported to older kernel version from newer version of grsec
Apr 14 20:28:59 <loot-> last time i did it
Apr 14 20:29:04 <loot-> it was like grsec 2.1.3 i think
Apr 14 20:29:21 <dtzWill> oil: oooooo that gamegriper looks sweet
Apr 14 20:29:28 <loot-> honestly its just one kernel patch but it was a giant pain to get ported
Apr 14 20:29:39 <dtzWill> dpad++
Apr 14 20:29:48 <oil> yeah, really
Apr 14 20:29:49 * dtzWill wouldn't have to hear about the inevitable conclusions that i did vba's joystick wrong and it should be more like quake, etc lol
Apr 14 20:30:03 <dtzWill> but also just.. more usable.
Apr 14 20:30:07 <oil> fill out the form and tell em you want a pre version :)
Apr 14 20:30:08 <dtzWill> gah i want one
Apr 14 20:30:08 <dtzWill> :)
Apr 14 20:32:13 <jacques_pre> what are we wanting?
Apr 14 20:32:34 <dtzWill> oh just a dpad/nice buttons for the pre, possibly in the form of some expansion thingy
Apr 14 20:32:47 <jacques_pre> ah
Apr 14 20:36:27 <mjkjr> when editing a a file with vi what is the command to save/finish
Apr 14 20:37:06 <chrisa> :wq
Apr 14 20:37:19 <jacques_pre> ZZ
Apr 14 20:37:35 <mjkjr> chrisa: that's what i thought but it just adds :wq to the next line in my file
Apr 14 20:37:44 <chrisa> Then you didn't leave insert mode
Apr 14 20:37:46 <chrisa> Hit esc
Apr 14 20:37:47 <jacques_pre> ESC
Apr 14 20:38:14 <mjkjr> =) will try that now, first time using vi
Apr 14 20:38:31 <jacques_pre> ah :-)
Apr 14 20:41:31 <zsoc_wirc> vi/m is by far my favorite editor
Apr 14 20:41:44 <zsoc_wirc> I hit "esc+:wq" in my sleep
Apr 14 20:42:02 <zsoc_wirc> and in terminal, a back gesture registers as escape ;)
Apr 14 20:42:08 <zsoc_wirc> hooray for ascii
Apr 14 20:44:52 <rwhitby> loot-: ok, want repo access so you can commit a grsecurity patch for an experimental kernel?
Apr 14 21:08:05 <loot-> rwhitby: please and thanks
Apr 14 21:08:27 <loot-> i might update it also
Apr 14 21:08:36 <loot-> to the latest version of grsecurity
Apr 14 21:16:00 <sbromwich-wirc> jacques: good call, saba ftw
Apr 14 21:18:14 <Mercury> zsoc_wirc: esc+ZZ
Apr 14 21:18:21 <Mercury> zsoc_wirc: That's what's wired in mine.
Apr 14 21:18:38 <zsoc_wirc> Mercury: ZZ?... emacs?
Apr 14 21:18:47 <rwhitby> no, vi
Apr 14 21:18:56 <zsoc_wirc> I am a noob :(
Apr 14 21:19:18 <Mercury> zsoc_wirc: vim, it does the same thing as :wq<cr>, but with fewer key strokes.
Apr 14 21:19:40 <zsoc_wirc> Mercury: interesting :) thank you
Apr 14 21:23:41 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: latest kernel packaging checks md5sums, so you can't install a kernel over anything other than stock
Apr 14 21:23:58 <rwhitby> (except for the palm kernel, which will install over anything to set the md5sums back to correct)
Apr 14 21:24:21 <uNiXpSyChO> thats a good ide
Apr 14 21:24:25 <uNiXpSyChO> ide
Apr 14 21:24:27 <uNiXpSyChO> ugh
Apr 14 21:24:28 <uNiXpSyChO> idea
Apr 14 21:24:42 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: next version will also check webOS version from /etc/palm-build-info
Apr 14 21:24:58 * rwhitby bbiab
Apr 14 21:25:00 <uNiXpSyChO> did you get that idea from my ipk's? ;)
Apr 14 21:37:35 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: no, I got the idea because I accidentally installed the 1.4.0 recovery kernel on a 1.4.1 device, and then the md5sum checks in the uber-kernel refused to allow it to be installed after that.
Apr 14 21:37:48 <rwhitby> so I just installed the 1.4.1 recovery kernel, and all was good again.
Apr 14 21:40:59 <uNiXpSyChO> and aupt will prevent from restoring an older kernel over a new kernel?
Apr 14 21:41:32 <uNiXpSyChO> the backup of the previous kernel is what worries me.
Apr 14 21:45:31 <sbromwich-wirc> save backups named by datestamp on the kernel?
Apr 14 21:48:49 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: the backup will only happen if the kernel was stock, so the only kernel ever restored from the backup is a stock kernel
Apr 14 21:49:07 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich-wirc:: the backups arent the problem, its restoring the backup if the OS was upgraded which will be bad.
Apr 14 21:49:17 <rwhitby> (the md5sums are checked to make sure the files are virgin before the backup is made)
Apr 14 21:49:34 <sbromwich-wirc> ahhhh
Apr 14 21:50:04 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: a webOS version check in the prerm script will fix that
Apr 14 21:50:16 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: ah, ok.
Apr 14 21:50:20 <sbromwich-wirc> that's why I *heart* novacom boot mem ;-)
Apr 14 21:56:08 <mjkjr> stumbled across this which seems very interesting http://palmpre-hacks.com/palm-pre-hacks/how-to-set-up-google-gps-tracking-on-your-palm-pre/
Apr 14 21:57:45 * mjkjr doesn't plan on having his device lost/stolen but you never know
Apr 14 21:59:00 <uNiXpSyChO> wouldnt Sprint Family Locater do the same?
Apr 14 21:59:20 <sbromwich-wirc> already written a perl script for that ;-)
Apr 14 22:01:25 <mjkjr> i want a free option, are there others?
Apr 14 22:03:16 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: CPU temp sensor patch is in git
Apr 14 22:03:39 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: uber-kernel-pre change VERSIONS to 1.4.1-4 and build
Apr 14 22:04:22 <uNiXpSyChO>  rwhitby: backported?
Apr 14 22:04:53 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: yep, ka6sox-work backported it
Apr 14 22:05:41 <uNiXpSyChO> excellent
Apr 14 22:06:01 <rwhitby> just testing the build now
Apr 14 22:07:24 <rwhitby> hmm - defconfig fail
Apr 14 22:07:39 <sbromwich-wirc> rwhitby: my udelay patch wasn't pessimistic enough, might want to grab my prcmpwr.c again
Apr 14 22:08:16 <rwhitby> sbromwich-wirc: just update the git repo directly
Apr 14 22:08:55 <sbromwich-wirc> er you don't want me polluting it with the stuff
Apr 14 22:09:14 <sbromwich-wirc> I'm experimenting with ;-)
Apr 14 22:09:58 <rwhitby> ah, need to add the sensor to Kconfig too, or make oldconfig elides it
Apr 14 22:10:02 <sbromwich-wirc> still trying to find a completely  noncrashy fix but it's getting closer
Apr 14 22:10:36 <uNiXpSyChO> you havent done weeks of testing with 100+ testers? ;)
Apr 14 22:14:46 <sbromwich-wirc> just  1... for 18 hours...
Apr 14 22:15:19 <sbromwich-wirc> sushi all done, heading out... laters :-)
Apr 14 22:22:54 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: Kconfig patch is in 1.4.1-5
Apr 14 22:23:49 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby: hows holiday ?
Apr 14 22:25:20 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: excellent.  a good combination of no work, theme parks and beach with kids, and good kernel hacking
Apr 14 22:26:10 <rwhitby>   CC      drivers/hwmon/omap34xx_temp.o
Apr 14 22:26:19 <uNiXpSyChO> fail?
Apr 14 22:26:28 <rwhitby> compile pass
Apr 14 22:26:33 <uNiXpSyChO> cool
Apr 14 22:37:56 <rwhitby> are there any other hwmon sensors in Pre that we should enable?
Apr 14 22:39:46 <uNiXpSyChO> any others that work?
Apr 14 22:41:45 <rwhitby> haven't tried
Apr 14 22:50:28 <rwhitby> uber-kernel 1.4.1-5 booted, now, where's that sensor hide
Apr 14 22:51:23 <rwhitby> LOL
Apr 14 22:51:23 <rwhitby> root@palm-webos-device:/# cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input
Apr 14 22:51:24 <rwhitby> -40
Apr 14 22:51:29 <zsoc> ka6sox was going on about a sensor of some sort before
Apr 14 22:51:33 <zsoc> rwhitby: you in the arctic?
Apr 14 22:51:39 <uNiXpSyChO> wow
Apr 14 22:51:44 <VincentLaw> is aussieland in a nuclear winter?
Apr 14 22:51:56 <uNiXpSyChO> got that in some nitrogen?
Apr 14 22:52:05 <zsoc> feeling mean today?
Apr 14 22:52:14 <VincentLaw> thats it, he has it in liquid nitrogen, for his extreme overclocking
Apr 14 22:52:30 <VincentLaw> he's going to break the 2ghz barrier on a phone
Apr 14 22:55:48 <rwhitby> Hmm: http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-Overo-temperature-sensor--p25489435.html
Apr 14 22:56:19 <uNiXpSyChO> oh
Apr 14 22:57:16 <mjkjr> If i created a file with "sudo vi track.php", how would i delete it
Apr 14 22:57:35 <halfhalo> sudo rm track.php?
Apr 14 22:58:02 * mjkjr was typing remove rather than rm
Apr 14 22:58:28 <rwhitby> root@palm-webos-device:/# cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input_raw
Apr 14 22:58:29 <rwhitby> 0
Apr 14 22:59:14 <rwhitby> I guess if it was that easy Palm would have done it ...
Apr 14 23:25:59 <rwhitby> it's really nice just orange+tapping to remove a testing kernel install
Apr 14 23:28:22 <zsoc> rwhitby: it has been ridiculously convenient for testing precorder
Apr 14 23:28:26 <zsoc> takes the service and all with it
Apr 14 23:30:13 <rwhitby> yep, we slowly but surely improve things
Apr 14 23:30:27 * rwhitby buys tennis for a buck
Apr 14 23:31:12 * rwhitby bbl (theme park time)
Apr 14 23:32:36 <zsoc> like the game theme park? i used to love that game
Apr 14 23:32:39 <zsoc> BOUNCING CASTLE, EFF YEAH
Apr 14 23:34:45 <jacques> theme park?
Apr 14 23:35:12 <jacques> roller coaster tycoon?
Apr 14 23:36:32 <oil> he's on vacation with his kids
Apr 14 23:36:32 <rwhitby> www.dreamworld.com.au
Apr 14 23:36:50 <zsoc> jacques: nah, theme park was the best
Apr 14 23:36:51 <rwhitby> unlimited world pass
Apr 14 23:37:10 <rwhitby> second day :)
Apr 14 23:37:26 <zsoc> http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/greviews/tpark1.gif
Apr 14 23:41:36 <oil> there is a ride called wedgie?
Apr 14 23:41:42 <zsoc> Shin Megami Tensei : Strange Journey has the worst boxart goodness to gameplay funness ratio OF ALL TIME
Apr 14 23:41:49 <zsoc> such a good game, such bad box art.
Apr 14 23:47:36 <jacques> hmm, I accidentally hibernated instead of suspended. not sure I like it
Apr 14 23:48:31 <zsoc> i've never had good linux experiences on old machines with either
Apr 14 23:48:55 <jacques> suspend is working pretty well so far, with intel graphics and fedora 12
Apr 14 23:50:18 <jacques> hibernation kinda threw me because it hit the disk really hard for a long time
Apr 14 23:50:47 <jacques> hmm, I saw this talk at SCALE
Apr 14 23:51:38 <zsoc> hehe
Apr 14 23:53:28 <jacques> wireless is melting
Apr 15 01:02:51 <ka6sox> anybody know if Palm is using the TWL5030 companion chip to the OMAP 3430 on the pre?
Apr 15 01:05:38 <kai_> webos
Apr 15 01:05:45 <ka6sox> specifically I'm asking about the Audio Chip being used.
Apr 15 01:05:48 <zsoc> kai_: yes, webos indeed
Apr 15 01:06:03 <kai_> this is for meta-doctor help?
Apr 15 01:06:05 <kai_> this chat page?
Apr 15 01:06:32 <ka6sox> meta-doctor spoken here.
Apr 15 01:07:11 <ka6sox> yes, this is the place for meta-doctor help.
Apr 15 01:08:57 <kai_> wow, that's great, i will be visiting soon. this is my first time using virtual box and ubuntu
Apr 15 01:09:10 <kai_> im just trying to bypass phone carrier activation
Apr 15 01:09:18 <ka6sox> that will do it.
Apr 15 01:09:57 <zsoc> yep yep
Apr 15 01:10:38 <kai_> in ubuntu terminal, can you copy and paste? or do you have to type everything including download links.
Apr 15 01:11:48 <muesli> kai_: are you running an actual text mode terminal or a terminal in graphics mode?
Apr 15 01:12:32 <kai_> i think actual text mode, im just typing in commands similar to windows "run command"
Apr 15 01:12:51 <muesli> kai_: let's put it differently... do you have a mouse cursor? :)
Apr 15 01:13:00 <muesli> if so, just select some text and use middle-click to paste it again
Apr 15 01:13:02 <kai_> yes
Apr 15 01:13:23 <kai_> ok
Apr 15 01:14:17 <muesli> kai_: works?
Apr 15 01:15:01 <kai_> its ok, i just typed in the link
Apr 15 01:15:21 <kai_> it says that i do not have enough space to Download the latest webosdoctor file using the download paths found at Webos Doctor Versions .The wr version is the German/UK GSM version. An example download command would be:
Apr 15 01:16:24 <kai_> nevermind
Apr 15 01:44:38 <kai_> i've ran into a problem
Apr 15 01:45:22 <kai_> wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Apr 15 01:45:28 <kai_> i put that into terminal
Apr 15 01:45:35 <kai_> and it says
Apr 15 01:46:10 <oil> you don't download the doctor to your phone...
Apr 15 01:46:17 <oil> you download it to your pc
Apr 15 01:46:18 <kai_> cannot write to 'webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar' (no space left on device)
Apr 15 01:46:47 <kai_> yes im doing all this in ubuntu terminal
Apr 15 01:47:28 <oil> so your harddrive is too small for the download?
Apr 15 01:47:51 <kai_> this is what is says afterwards.. :  ubuntu@ubuntu:~/meta-doctor/downloads$
Apr 15 01:48:01 <kai_> i think it is
Apr 15 01:48:05 <kai_> how can i expand the space
Apr 15 01:48:08 <oil> so brought you back to a prompt
Apr 15 01:48:12 <kai_> i followed the tutorial
Apr 15 01:48:17 <kai_> and used 8gb
Apr 15 01:48:20 <oil> what, is it a virtual machine?
Apr 15 01:48:24 <kai_> in virtual box as suggested
Apr 15 01:48:31 <kai_> yes
Apr 15 01:48:36 <kai_> im using virtual box
Apr 15 01:49:05 <kai_> i am following this tutorial
Apr 15 01:49:05 <kai_> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Apr 15 01:49:15 <oil> well i've never used the metadoctor before
Apr 15 01:49:18 <oil> so i wont be much help
Apr 15 01:49:43 <oil> im sure a google would answer your question about the ability to expand the partition in virtualbox
Apr 15 01:49:44 <kai_> but do you know how to fix the hard drive
Apr 15 01:49:45 <kai_> problem
Apr 15 01:50:16 <b12|m> Is there a testing channel on freenode?
Apr 15 01:50:27 <oil> for testing what?
Apr 15 01:50:41 <oil> you can always make your own channel
Apr 15 01:50:51 <oil> type /join b12sawesomechannel
Apr 15 01:50:56 <oil> chances are, nobody is in there
Apr 15 01:51:05 <b12|m> Hah, ok!
Apr 15 01:51:08 <oil> i mean, #b12s...
Apr 15 01:51:21 <b12|m> Thx
Apr 15 01:52:47 <b12|m> Oil, I am notcalvin from precentral (wirc thread)
Apr 15 01:52:59 <oil> ok
Apr 15 01:53:07 <b12|m> I tested the bug w the backslash
Apr 15 01:53:13 <b12|m> On freednode
Apr 15 01:53:14 <oil> ah
Apr 15 01:53:19 <b12|m> As well as quake net
Apr 15 01:53:28 <b12|m> And it is same in both places
Apr 15 01:53:35 <oil> ok
Apr 15 01:53:40 <b12|m> When the backslash is at end of message
Apr 15 01:53:46 <b12|m> The error happens and
Apr 15 01:53:52 <b12|m> No mesage posts
Apr 15 01:54:01 <b12|m> But if the backslash is in the middle
Apr 15 01:54:16 <b12|m> Of the mesage, it is just dropped and the message posts
Apr 15 01:54:25 <b12|m> So I'll post that to the thread
Apr 15 01:54:34 <b12|m> And thx again for wIRC
Apr 15 01:54:39 <b12|m> And everything else
Apr 15 01:54:46 <oil> np
Apr 15 01:55:01 <b12|m> (ive donated by the way, so it's more than lip service ;^)
Apr 15 01:55:24 <b12|m> Wow this is a huge channel!
Apr 15 01:55:39 * b12|m waves
Apr 15 01:55:49 <b12|m> Bb
Apr 15 01:59:09 <ka6sox> kai, 8GB should be sufficient...what directory are you in?
Apr 15 01:59:13 <ka6sox> pwd
Apr 15 02:01:33 <ka6sox> then give me the output of a "df" command.
Apr 15 02:01:49 <nebula> 1kb. can i have cake?
Apr 15 02:01:59 <nebula> :)
Apr 15 02:02:03 <zsoc> caek gud
Apr 15 02:02:52 <ka6sox> nebula, you can't have your cake and EAT it too.
Apr 15 02:04:22 <ka6sox> kai gone
Apr 15 02:04:38 <zsoc> ka6sox: nono, it's eat your cake and HAVE it too
Apr 15 02:05:47 <nebula> no... no
Apr 15 02:05:51 <nebula> the cake is a lie?
Apr 15 02:05:54 * mjkjr had to check the cabinets because of this cake talk and only found brownies or cookies, hmmmm...
Apr 15 02:06:10 <oil> what if you make 2 cakes
Apr 15 02:06:19 <nebula> yes. it's true.
Apr 15 02:06:19 <ka6sox> oh, I think I know how to check this out...I just need the defconfig and look @ the sirloin board mach files.
Apr 15 02:06:23 <oil> then you can eat one and have hte other
Apr 15 02:06:28 <nebula> yep.
Apr 15 02:06:48 * mjkjr thinks oil is pretty damn smart
Apr 15 02:13:56 <jacques_pre> howdy
Apr 15 02:14:58 <jacques_pre> so, google gave everyone who was still here at the end of the conf a phone
Apr 15 02:15:32 <oil> a nexus?
Apr 15 02:15:32 <jacques_pre> the android steamroller rolls on
Apr 15 02:15:45 <jacques_pre> yep
Apr 15 02:15:50 <PuffTheMagic> steamrollers are sweet
Apr 15 02:15:54 <oil> google certainly has enough money to just throw it out of plane
Apr 15 02:16:10 <PuffTheMagic> oil: haha i was gonna same something along the same line
Apr 15 02:16:15 <PuffTheMagic> but yours was better
Apr 15 02:16:25 <oil> who has more money, google or apple?
Apr 15 02:17:13 <jacques_pre> yeah, palm doesn't have that kind of money :-(
Apr 15 02:17:21 <oil> yeah
Apr 15 02:18:28 <jacques_pre> the conf was sold out for first time this year too
Apr 15 02:22:09 <mjkjr|wirc> This will probably sound stupid, but I've never committed anything in git so do I just login or what? lol. I searched but came up with a bunch of bs
Apr 15 02:22:21 <jacques_pre> I'm at the conf end reception now. they are supposedly going to draw for prizes, but not sure I will stay much longer
Apr 15 02:23:33 * mjkjr|wirc think that the word "prizes" would be enoug for him to stay
Apr 15 02:23:53 <jacques_pre> mjkjr|wirc: I'm no expert, but if you have privs and checked out with your key, it should be as simple as git push
Apr 15 02:24:17 <jacques_pre> at least one prize is a laptop
Apr 15 02:25:18 <jacques_pre> they gave away oreilly books last night at the demos
Apr 15 02:25:32 <mjkjr|wirc> jacques_pre: I gave rwhitby my key and have privs. what do you mean "checked out"
Apr 15 02:26:11 <jacques_pre> mjkjr|wirc: if you intend to write, you check out differently
Apr 15 02:26:43 <jacques_pre> mjkjr|wirc: well, clone differently
Apr 15 02:27:57 <jacques_pre> mjkjr|wirc: I cannot be more specific right now - on my pre
Apr 15 02:29:24 <jacques_pre> mjkjr|wirc: this is on the wiki though
Apr 15 02:32:59 <mjkjr|wirc> jacques_pre: oh really? well thank you. I was all over the wiki today for other stuff and didn't think I'd find find anything regarding git on there so I didn't even look
Apr 15 02:36:22 <ka6sox> I don't think my key is in git.
Apr 15 02:40:09 <jacques_pre> if I had access to my laptop I could paste the commands
Apr 15 02:41:44 <jacques_pre> bored now.
Apr 15 02:42:04 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, whats for dinner?
Apr 15 02:42:25 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: japanese :-)
Apr 15 02:42:43 <jacques_pre> otherwise, not sure yet
Apr 15 02:42:57 <Roy-Pre101> dtzWill: You around?
Apr 15 02:43:06 <mjkjr|wirc> well if it's in the wiki I should be able to figure it out, I haven't went to my laptop to read wiki yet
Apr 15 02:49:51 <mjkjr> hmmm, the "using git" section is empty http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Code_Repositories
Apr 15 02:49:57 <mjkjr> unless it's in another section
Apr 15 02:50:18 <oil> git.webos-internals.org
Apr 15 02:50:34 <ka6sox> oil, that will get him to gitweb.
Apr 15 02:50:41 <oil> right
Apr 15 02:50:55 <zsoc> mjkjr: what do you need help with?
Apr 15 02:51:00 <mjkjr> i want to commit
Apr 15 02:51:08 <oil> did someone put your key in?
Apr 15 02:51:12 <mjkjr> yes
Apr 15 02:51:14 <zsoc> mjkjr: did you add the files you changed?
Apr 15 02:51:33 <mjkjr> i've never used it before so i was looking online for something to read
Apr 15 02:51:43 <zsoc> mjkjr: ok, 'git status' will show the files you changed'
Apr 15 02:51:46 <mjkjr> i don't know how to add it, but i want to learn
Apr 15 02:51:47 <zsoc> verify that's accurate
Apr 15 02:51:56 <zsoc> is it just a small change?
Apr 15 02:52:15 <mjkjr> yes, but i haven't made the change, or addition?
Apr 15 02:52:35 <zsoc> oh.. well did you pull the repo yet?
Apr 15 02:52:57 <ka6sox> wget http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package1791/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.bin
Apr 15 02:53:08 <ka6sox> hmmm
Apr 15 02:53:48 <oil> git clone git.webos-internals....
Apr 15 02:54:19 <zsoc> er, right, clone, but use the second link, the ssh one
Apr 15 02:56:12 <mjkjr> to clarify, just doing this from my machine, or ssh into my pre and do it from there?
Apr 15 02:56:29 <oil> to your machine is what i always do
Apr 15 02:56:37 <oil> i think some people have pulled repos to their pres
Apr 15 02:56:46 <oil> if you work directly on it for whatever reason
Apr 15 02:57:10 <zsoc> mjkjr: oh god please don't do it on your pre lol
Apr 15 02:57:47 <mjkjr> lol, that would be silly for me to pull it from my pre, but you said "the second link, the ssh one" so i wondered
Apr 15 02:58:46 <dtzWill> Roy-Pre101: I'm here-ish :)
Apr 15 02:59:18 <mjkjr> i have to install git first on my machine i guess
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