**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 15 02:59:56 2010 Apr 15 02:59:59 mjkjr: i would imagine, maybe sudo apt-get install git-core Apr 15 03:00:12 yep that's what it was Apr 15 03:03:56 ha, jason@jason-laptop:~$ git clone git.webos-internals Apr 15 03:03:56 Initialized empty Git repository in /home/jason/git.webos-internals/.git/ Apr 15 03:03:57 warning: You appear to have cloned an empty repository. Apr 15 03:03:57 jason@jason-laptop:~$ fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Apr 15 03:04:49 mjkjr what are you working on? what kind of app? Apr 15 03:05:14 i'm just adding a script to Save/Restore right now, start small Apr 15 03:07:37 services/ppbkuservice.git Apr 15 03:07:50 thats probably the area you want to clone. Apr 15 03:08:53 git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/services/ppbkuservice.git Apr 15 03:10:42 but rather than get the wrong thing go look in gitweb and browse the source and see where things start to make sense. Apr 15 03:11:00 http://git.webos-internals.org Apr 15 03:11:27 hi all Apr 15 03:11:42 morning Apr 15 03:11:44 mjkjr: git@git.webos-internals.org/applications/saverestore.git Apr 15 03:12:08 yeah i got it now lol Apr 15 03:12:32 add the script Apr 15 03:12:40 git add scripts/filename Apr 15 03:12:42 git commit Apr 15 03:12:44 leave a nice comment Apr 15 03:12:49 git push Apr 15 03:13:00 oh Apr 15 03:13:02 before you do that Apr 15 03:13:08 save globals for your name and email Apr 15 03:13:40 git config --global user.name "your name" Apr 15 03:13:51 git config --global user.email "your@email.com" Apr 15 03:15:56 ok i saved "globals" Apr 15 03:16:35 mjkjr: ok, now you can do those other steps Apr 15 03:16:40 thank you Apr 15 03:17:51 mjkjr: oh, and to get git to shut up: git config --global push.default matching Apr 15 03:18:01 just a one time setting so it complains less about things it aught not Apr 15 03:25:19 so anybody ever do something then later say "holy crap... did I really make that?" in a good way Apr 15 03:25:44 phil_bw: not as often as i like, but yeah lol Apr 15 03:25:49 I just designed a logo for a friend's company (all vector based, done purely in photoshop) and it's incredibly professional Apr 15 03:26:10 mind you I'm not a graphics designer and have never made a fully vector image in my life... I merely googled how to do it and... did it Apr 15 03:26:20 phil_bw: wait, vector in photoshop? Apr 15 03:26:26 you mean illustrator? Apr 15 03:26:32 zsoc, yes photoshop Apr 15 03:26:33 can i see? :D Apr 15 03:26:37 I own photoshop, not illustrator Apr 15 03:26:39 sure Apr 15 03:26:54 lemme save it as a jpeg Apr 15 03:27:01 svg ftw Apr 15 03:27:38 also, google image search "mount hood in oregon" Apr 15 03:27:48 it shows my mad pen skills :P Apr 15 03:28:10 good compelling logos are hard to make Apr 15 03:28:52 http://www.boraware.com/misc/logo.jpg Apr 15 03:28:56 the colors are to their spec Apr 15 03:29:43 the hard part was "tracing" mt hood with pen anchors and adjusting them Apr 15 03:29:46 For not having ever done it, it's not bad. Apr 15 03:30:06 again, I'm not a graphics guy really, I'm just setting up their web site for them and they have no logo Apr 15 03:30:08 i prefer the pen tool in gimp, but i'm a linuxfag, so yeah Apr 15 03:30:33 I never could get the hang of gimp... have used photoshop for over 10 years... so that's where I'm comfortable Apr 15 03:30:46 yeah i understand that Apr 15 03:30:52 both have their ups and downs Apr 15 03:31:05 definitely Apr 15 03:31:08 like gimp is free Apr 15 03:31:25 hehe yes indeed Apr 15 03:31:46 so any constructive critism on the logo? Apr 15 03:32:31 I hate serifs, but that's a personal preference. Apr 15 03:32:39 ah Apr 15 03:32:43 any suggestion on a font? Apr 15 03:32:48 not one bit lol Apr 15 03:32:56 I don't know my fonts real well Apr 15 03:33:01 fonts are tough, there's licensing issues etc Apr 15 03:33:23 yeah, I'm using provided fonts Apr 15 03:50:33 i want to attempt to port stellarium to the Pre Apr 15 03:50:47 sethron, what is that? Apr 15 03:51:03 a cross platform planetarium Apr 15 03:51:12 is there a debian package available? Apr 15 03:51:17 Win32, OSX, Linux Apr 15 03:51:22 yes Apr 15 03:51:28 give me a sec Apr 15 03:51:37 it will rely on Qt and OpenGLES Apr 15 03:52:34 looks like there's an arm package Apr 15 03:52:39 damn, 44 megs Apr 15 03:52:46 lemme install it and see how it works Apr 15 03:52:49 it also in svn http://stellarium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/stellarium/ Apr 15 03:53:12 I'm just going to installing in a debian environment and run it in X11 Apr 15 03:53:15 see how it works Apr 15 03:53:27 @phil_bw for reals? you're going to install it on what machine? Apr 15 03:53:39 sethron, Palm Pre (sprint) Apr 15 03:53:44 it's downloading the packages now Apr 15 03:53:45 holy cow Apr 15 03:53:52 hopefully I've got the space Apr 15 03:54:24 mind you if this does work it's not exactly an easy way for an average user to run software, but it'll give kind of a... benchmark to how a native port would run Apr 15 03:54:36 i've got a lot of patches and homebrew, and music, and NOVA and I have 'bout 3.5 GB in my Pre Apr 15 03:54:55 fun stuff Apr 15 03:55:00 ever used linux command line? Apr 15 03:55:06 yes Apr 15 03:55:27 ever used the chroot command? Apr 15 03:55:33 have a Dell 630i rig with dual XP ubuntu 9.10 32bit Apr 15 03:56:03 chroot? chmod.. whadui need to know? Apr 15 03:56:28 basically run a second linux install on top of your current one Apr 15 03:56:44 bloody thing is still unpacking... Apr 15 03:57:07 i put OPIE on my treo 650, I'm sure i could do that with good directions Apr 15 03:57:27 well lemme be the test dummy first Apr 15 03:57:36 tyvm :) Apr 15 03:58:58 blah, after installing openoffice I just get carried away sometimes Apr 15 03:59:24 was playing with a voip client earlier... connected to the test server and I could hear the message... it then crashed and reset Apr 15 03:59:37 i saw that video, lag lag lag ah to have patience... Apr 15 04:00:25 lol Apr 15 04:00:30 it loads much quicker the second time Apr 15 04:00:44 also, abiword works *much* better, loads in 5 sec Apr 15 04:01:24 abiword l'do just fine i suppose Apr 15 04:02:27 just clicked to run it Apr 15 04:03:24 nothin, lemme run from a terminal and see if it gives an error Apr 15 04:05:59 hm, some sort of error Apr 15 04:06:39 yeah, lemme find the link to lauchpad, form one of the stellarium devs. gimme a minute Apr 15 04:07:18 it's a qt error Apr 15 04:07:52 https://answers.launchpad.net/stellarium/+question/104547 Apr 15 04:07:54 "Widget::setMinimumSize: (/QMessageBox) Negative sizes (-160,90) are not possible" Apr 15 04:08:41 Hrm, it's time for me to learn Qt, or hang out with ppl who do know Qt & C++ Apr 15 04:09:36 it may be the small screen size holding it up Apr 15 04:10:39 that makes sense, i think there may be an editable ini file? Apr 15 04:10:51 I dunno Apr 15 04:11:06 I had some problems with another QT app I was trying to run before Apr 15 04:12:06 which one? Apr 15 04:12:23 it was some voip client, don't recall which Apr 15 04:13:16 you editing the source for the port would be better in xp or ubuntu? Apr 15 04:15:21 what do you think are the next steps to port stellarium? Apr 15 04:16:14 sethron, there are a LOT of Palm Classic Apps that would probably work better. Apr 15 04:16:23 (for Astronomy) Apr 15 04:16:54 meh, stellarium would be totaly frakin awesome, though Apr 15 04:17:00 indeed Apr 15 04:17:24 websites can do the stuff classic palm apps can do Apr 15 04:18:30 starwalk and even Google Sky for the Pre would be cool, too. Apr 15 04:20:51 phil_bw i think i found the doc on the setMinimumSize error http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qtjambi-4.3.5_01/com/trolltech/qt/gui/QWidget.html#setMinimumSize%28int,%20int%29 Apr 15 04:21:43 In order to unset the minimum size, use QSize(0, 0). fwiw Apr 15 04:22:21 sethron, I gotta run Apr 15 04:22:28 sorry I can't help you out more Apr 15 04:22:31 bye bye, me too. Apr 15 04:22:37 * phil_bw wanders off Apr 15 05:23:39 anything awesome in WebOS land today that I missed? Apr 15 06:46:06 jacques, are you around? Apr 15 07:22:53 gfghj Apr 15 07:23:00 jdfkjsdf Apr 15 07:48:45 hi there. how to paste in preware terminal? i know it is gesturearea + 0 but how to do this? holding the finger on the gesturearea and press the key for 0 it results in @. Apr 15 07:49:50 there is no preware terminal... Apr 15 07:50:28 i mean the terminal app that can be installed with preware... Apr 15 08:24:06 sorry asyn, i dont know if you can paste with it Apr 15 08:24:16 i dont think i've ever attempted it Apr 15 08:55:16 well drat Apr 15 08:55:25 I've managed to lose the last decade's worth of code Apr 15 09:31:30 morning Apr 15 09:37:00 morning rwhitby Apr 15 10:39:11 hi all, How can I solve an error 20 modem, on my pre? thanks in advance Apr 15 10:58:04 folks Apr 15 10:58:21 * bhuey reads about iPhone multitasking again and thinks Apr 15 11:00:48 Thinks what? Apr 15 12:46:54 http://i.imgur.com/QmeqG.png Apr 15 12:47:20 hey PuffTheMagic Apr 15 12:47:42 PuffTheMagic: you did that with your webOS phone? Apr 15 12:56:21 yeah with webos photoshop Apr 15 12:56:45 PuffTheMagic: ;) Apr 15 12:59:29 This is a perfect example of exactly why I love my close personal friend Dr. Donald Knuth (or "Donnie" to his friends): http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Close_Encounters_of_the_Steve_Kind.txt Apr 15 13:57:24 is there any way to pass a value from one scene to the setup function of another scene? Apr 15 14:03:30 rohit2: I am not, in any way, trying to chase you out of this channel -- but you may have better luck with questions like that in #webos. Oh, and I'm not a UI/Luna guy, so I don't know the answer, sorry. Apr 15 14:14:44 looking for some help creating a control file for Preware purposes.......anyone know how to make one app dependant on another? Apr 15 14:15:01 that's a good question! Apr 15 14:15:10 deps are interesting Apr 15 14:15:21 Curently i wrote Dpends: Apr 15 14:15:25 Depends Apr 15 14:15:28 * Apr 15 14:16:00 preware wont even initiat install with my current control file Apr 15 14:16:05 yeah i have no clue .. i don't know anything about that stuff - i am so sorry :( Apr 15 14:16:24 but if you stick around, i am sure someone can help .. maybe oil or someone else Apr 15 14:16:41 k, sounds good....guess it is a little early Apr 15 14:17:05 number1pete: if you have the preware codebase checked out (which I do not) you could see how preware itself is configured to depend on the package manager service .. Apr 15 14:17:29 number1pete: ... and rwhitby is [normally] in Australia, so it is quite late for him now, not early :) Apr 15 14:17:51 not preware codebase, webos-internals.org git repo Apr 15 14:18:08 yeah i chated with him right when he went to bed....5:30am central-US Apr 15 14:22:26 number1pete: try http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BuildingIpkgs Apr 15 14:24:08 number1pete: look at the control file for preware? Apr 15 14:24:19 or package manager service Apr 15 14:24:27 they should depend on each other? Apr 15 14:24:52 number1pete: also pull down a package that has dependencies and just extract it out with ar and cargo cult the code Apr 15 14:25:27 * sbromwich handwaves with the greatest of ease, not having to generate anything for end users Apr 15 14:26:22 number1pete: also http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/Packages for a sample dump Apr 15 14:53:19 yeah, its the feed which tells preware the package depends on another Apr 15 14:54:54 sorry, just got back on IRC....i see all the suggestions....i will examine each (i was reading IPKGService.java)...thanks guys Apr 15 14:55:24 the service doesn't handle deps Apr 15 14:55:26 preware does Apr 15 14:55:33 oh Apr 15 14:55:40 free coffee at starbucks today Apr 15 14:55:41 :) Apr 15 14:55:52 no way! Apr 15 14:55:57 tax day man! Apr 15 14:55:57 :P Apr 15 14:56:02 guess its always free here at work...lol Apr 15 14:56:13 tax day = rape number1pete Apr 15 14:56:16 i got free coffee at work too ;] Apr 15 14:56:35 its not the best coffe but it gets the job done Apr 15 14:56:55 I got$1000 for my tax day headaches Apr 15 14:59:10 your lucky ..... im got (-$2,300) Apr 15 14:59:17 lol Apr 15 14:59:22 i got 4k back ;] Apr 15 14:59:30 okay, now im mad Apr 15 14:59:53 [; Apr 15 15:00:23 im going to get free coffee to feel better Apr 15 15:11:18 I need advice for what to call the input setting in my app Apr 15 15:11:34 microphone is obvious, but the other not so much. Apr 15 15:12:09 it records pcm_output.. ideas are 'internal stream', 'output monitor', 'output stream', 'other apps', etc Apr 15 15:13:16 zsoc_wirc: "speaker output" Apr 15 15:15:18 "what you hear" Apr 15 15:15:47 yea Apr 15 15:18:04 I only don't like "what you hear" Apr 15 15:18:14 cause we don't use "what you said" for microphone Apr 15 15:19:02 * oil was just throwing out a suggestion Apr 15 15:20:14 lol@ubuntu-notation Apr 15 15:20:30 if this was an ub app it probably would eb 'what you say' and 'what you hear' lol Apr 15 15:20:58 speaker output isn't bad Apr 15 15:21:19 media capture? Apr 15 15:21:25 can that signal be routed to the BT headset? Apr 15 15:21:27 oooo media capture Apr 15 15:21:29 sexy Apr 15 15:21:38 thanks, you're pretty hot yourself Apr 15 15:21:40 ka6sox: no, BT with have it's own third option Apr 15 15:21:50 sbromwich: wanna go for a beer later? Apr 15 15:22:02 any time any place any where Apr 15 15:22:07 ka6sox: oh wait, routed TO? Apr 15 15:22:39 so long as it's in ns.ca Apr 15 15:22:42 ka6sox: if it's a2dp, yeah it'll need a separate check box or selection to tell it to check the a2dp sink monitor Apr 15 15:23:03 sbromwich: I hear there are hot 16 year olds in ns.ca that are legal Apr 15 15:23:15 :( i have to lead class today Apr 15 15:23:25 i've never had to give a lecture Apr 15 15:23:35 PuffTheMagic: haaha. serves you right. Mr. I write papers that go everywhere Apr 15 15:23:38 i mean i've done presentations Apr 15 15:23:57 zsoc_wirc: that go everywhere? Apr 15 15:24:53 55 slides, should take more or less than an hour Apr 15 15:25:03 some will take less than a min, some will take more Apr 15 15:26:12 PuffTheMagic: are you an expert about what you're talking about Apr 15 15:26:35 i usually go for 2 minutes per slide on average .. otherwise it's a barrage of information and you can't really absorb what's up there Apr 15 15:26:36 Lumiere: compared to the people i will be talking about yes Apr 15 15:26:37 PuffTheMagic: yeah you know. go places/published Apr 15 15:26:40 im not worried about that Apr 15 15:26:48 for me at least, if I know the material I just relax and have a conversation Apr 15 15:26:56 Lumiere: i just hope the content is on track for what my teacher was expecting Apr 15 15:26:58 hell half the time I have no slides Apr 15 15:27:00 idk if he is even gonna show up Apr 15 15:27:09 PuffTheMagic: don't worry too much about it Apr 15 15:27:10 since this is an undergrad class and i am a grad student Apr 15 15:27:14 zsoc_wirc: I work at a hospital that's also a teaching hospital... SNM. Apr 15 15:27:18 cover what you think needs to be covered Apr 15 15:27:22 Lumiere: im not, but thanks Apr 15 15:27:30 and let the prof deal with the rest Apr 15 15:27:44 im not really that worried about it Apr 15 15:27:54 but i stil get anxious Apr 15 15:27:56 a lil Apr 15 15:31:11 im hoping the teacher wont show up, he hasnt when the other grad students ran the class for the day Apr 15 15:31:21 so maybe he wont for me Apr 15 15:33:14 tried to add "Depends: " to my control files now all the files on my custom feed wont install with preware....need help....check out this feed http://L337tech.com/webos/apps....its called L337tech-webos-free Apr 15 15:33:42 "l337tech.com/webos/apps" Apr 15 15:37:11 PuffTheMagic: you should use the relaxation technique where you visualize yourself standing naked in front of the entire class. No, wait, that's not it ... Apr 15 15:38:59 PuffTheMagic: wear those jeans. no one will be listening to you then Apr 15 15:54:32 can anyone figure out what is wrong with my control file in these two apps available at this preware feed: l337tech.com/webos/apps you can also navigate their in your browser Apr 15 16:04:22 whoops Apr 15 16:29:14 hi! Apr 15 16:32:50 ShamedGod: hallo Apr 15 16:34:45 I just installed preware. ILm trying to get it to work but am stuck. It keeps stalling on the loading of Opalm-catalog" Apr 15 16:35:02 os 1.4.1.1 Apr 15 16:36:40 the only internet I have is my phone... So reseach on this is slow and I have yet to install mytether. Any hekp is welcome Apr 15 16:38:28 poke rwhitby if you're not in bed Apr 15 16:39:59 appmenu>feed management Apr 15 16:40:03 ShameGod : disable palm-theme and any other theme, in the Manage Feeds under preferences Apr 15 16:40:08 toggle the palm-catalog feed Apr 15 16:40:18 return to update scene Apr 15 16:40:22 appmenu>update feeds Apr 15 16:44:47 I have no feeds in there installed. It's blank. Apr 15 16:45:17 the service could still be attempting to update the feed Apr 15 16:45:25 so the service is busy and can't reply with a list of feeds for management Apr 15 16:48:39 okay now it works! Restarted the app and went start to feeds :) Apr 15 16:48:45 thank you! Apr 15 16:49:44 why do I have a sneaky suspicion I just bombed my pre Apr 15 16:50:01 VincentLaw: thermite will do that Apr 15 16:50:18 attempted to remove the 800mhz kernel via preware Apr 15 16:50:31 and yea, I think all it did was remove it, and not replace it with anything Apr 15 16:50:46 oh wait the logo's finally blinking Apr 15 16:50:48 *prays* Apr 15 16:51:07 doctoring takes forever, dont make me do it! Apr 15 16:53:30 is the 800mhz kernel's ipk formatted correctly with a good postinst? Apr 15 16:55:53 yeah apparently it worked, it just made me supremely nervous Apr 15 16:56:11 it said it was removing tons of important files, but never said it was putting anything to replace them haha Apr 15 16:56:23 but proof is in the pudding, after reboot its still working :p Apr 15 16:57:59 oh goddamnit, I thought the 800mhz kernel was in preware, but it was just showing it from when I installed via quick install Apr 15 16:58:04 * VincentLaw hunts for the ipk Apr 15 16:59:21 they remove packages just hte same Apr 15 16:59:36 just because it wasn't installed with preware doesn't mean preware can't remove it Apr 15 17:00:01 I know this? I meant I wanted to reinstall Apr 15 17:00:07 perhaps I should clarify what I was doing Apr 15 17:00:53 I did this: stock -> 800mhz -> uber-kernel -> "stock" (preware thinks 800mhz is still installed) -> "remove" 800mhz -> stock. Now I want to go back to 800mhz proper Apr 15 17:01:08 and preware doesnt have the 800mhz package so :p Apr 15 17:01:14 ah Apr 15 17:01:23 sounds like you're trying to break it :) Apr 15 17:01:41 in hindsight it probably wasn't my smartest idea Apr 15 17:02:06 but to their credit it didn't bork anything Apr 15 17:02:22 besides I'm not averse to a doctor, just hate how long it takes Apr 15 17:05:22 This sort of thing never happened on my Commmodore-64 Apr 15 17:06:02 generally said thing has to be capable of DOING something in order for something to happen :p Apr 15 17:06:15 heh Apr 15 17:06:25 we did a lot with very little. Apr 15 17:06:32 it just didn't look as "pretty" Apr 15 17:07:15 there is no simple way to run a shellcommand from mojo, right? Apr 15 17:07:20 to run xterm e.g. Apr 15 17:07:58 there isn't a way period without making your own service Apr 15 17:08:05 mhkay :\ Apr 15 17:08:19 there was talks of having a generic service that could run any shell command, but that was deemed horribly insecure Apr 15 17:09:34 yeah thats right, i was hoping that there is a way to start xterm like a service without a service.... ;) Apr 15 17:09:42 lol Apr 15 17:09:56 rootless xterm Apr 15 17:12:54 lol Apr 15 17:13:00 decided to check my pre's last update date Apr 15 17:13:05 12/4/09 Apr 15 17:13:29 s/update/backup/ Apr 15 17:14:27 that could have been bad Apr 15 17:20:58 zsoc_wirc: im so glad that the most memorable thing from a picture of an amazing tuna melt was my pants Apr 15 17:21:21 * oilsworkn inquires about picture Apr 15 17:22:19 * nt4cats doesn't want to see Puff's pants (unless she is between the ages of 30-45, and then she shouldn't be *wearing* the pants) Apr 15 17:22:47 * oilsworkn wanted to see the tuna melt, not his pants Apr 15 17:23:20 oilsworkn: http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr23/rmh3093/CIMG0055.jpg Apr 15 17:23:40 nt4cats: Puff is not a she either Apr 15 17:23:48 it doesn't look very appetizing.. Apr 15 17:24:02 oilsworkn: cause u dont know whats in it Apr 15 17:24:10 this chan was drooling when i made it Apr 15 17:24:13 check the backlogs :D Apr 15 17:24:14 PuffTheMagic: I was 99.99987442% sure you weren't a 'she' Apr 15 17:24:33 lol Apr 15 17:24:55 * PuffTheMagic gave nt4cats 0.00023% more confidence Apr 15 17:25:16 that's a lot of confidence Apr 15 17:25:23 gives cats paint. Paint4cats http://www.whypaintcats.com/ Apr 15 17:26:15 (I don't really. just attempting to be funny.) Apr 15 17:26:34 * nt4cats has wanted to do a lot worse than paint his cats on many occasions Apr 15 17:26:47 what IS that Apr 15 17:27:08 looks like a tuna melt Apr 15 17:27:14 pick it up by the tail and swing it around your head like you're in a rodeo? Apr 15 17:27:32 oilsworkn: put it on a blanket and snap the ends Apr 15 17:27:38 PuffTheMagic: On a related note, I am 99.99987442% sure that Lumiere is a 'she' Apr 15 17:27:39 weeeeeeeeeeeee Apr 15 17:27:54 oilsworkn: you have the general idea, yes. Apr 15 17:28:14 if you don't know what version of webos is in your phone (because you can't activate it) does it matter which version of the Doctor you use? Apr 15 17:28:23 i dont think so Apr 15 17:28:43 but i really don't know one way or the other Apr 15 17:28:44 ka6sox: it doesn't matter what version of webOS your phone *is* -- only what version you want it to be Apr 15 17:29:12 ka6sox: -- at least that's the way I understand it. I must admit I am not an expert in this, but believe that I understand it. Apr 15 17:29:18 i dont think that was a real question Apr 15 17:29:19 okay, the problem is that I only see 1.4.1.1 for the Sprint phone I have not 1.4.1 Apr 15 17:29:38 ka6sox: u wont Apr 15 17:29:45 paint for Lumiere http://bit.ly/933KIC Apr 15 17:29:46 1.4.1.1 is a security update i think Apr 15 17:29:49 I guess the extra .1 won't mattter. Apr 15 17:29:52 so 4.1 wont show Apr 15 17:29:55 thanks PuffTheMagic Apr 15 17:29:58 i think Apr 15 17:30:04 dont want peopkle use it Apr 15 17:30:18 k Apr 15 17:30:35 ka6sox: think of the doctor version just like the version number on a windows install disk. If the disk says "Vista", then after you are done with it you'll have vista on your pc. It doesn't matter what is already on your PC Apr 15 17:31:03 okay well 1.4.1.x is what I want so I'll use that. Apr 15 17:31:19 there is no 1.4.1 for Sprint Apr 15 17:31:29 just 1.4.1.1 as far as I can tell Apr 15 17:31:38 1.4.1 was private beta Apr 15 17:31:41 thats what I see too. Apr 15 17:31:50 for sprint Apr 15 17:47:23 * oilsworkn wonders when his dev pre is going to show up\ Apr 15 17:47:39 usps's tracking is garbage Apr 15 17:48:07 true Apr 15 17:48:10 it told me that mine went from Mississippi to Northern california to get to me. Apr 15 17:48:14 but that was all. Apr 15 17:49:41 Does anyone know how to get the wifi node to work on the Palm Pre (not the Plus) ? I mean, in an emergency I want to get my laptop on the web via Sprint but only on rare occasion (I have high speed wifi almost everywhere I roam.) Apr 15 17:49:45 drnull has embarq dsl? Apr 15 17:50:35 wifi node to work on the pre? Apr 15 17:50:41 do you hvae a sprint tethering plan? xD Apr 15 17:50:59 there is no such a thing Apr 15 17:51:00 :p Apr 15 17:56:26 usb cable + usbnet + iptables setting = internet on ur lappy Apr 15 18:03:05 zsoc makes it sound so ez :) Apr 15 18:04:06 it isn't insane Apr 15 18:04:09 freetether+bluetooth = internet on lappy Apr 15 18:04:42 also, mobile hotspot +freetether= internet on lappy Apr 15 18:05:47 or whatever the minimum donation is for mytether xD Apr 15 18:06:28 oilsworkn: you mean, whatever mytether costs Apr 15 18:06:52 I like zsoc's plan Apr 15 18:07:30 now all someone has to do is write the application on the pre side to handle it Apr 15 18:07:51 and a script to set up usbnet forlinux/windows to connect over Apr 15 18:08:09 I think the mytether guy maybe has gone away... no updates no responses in months Apr 15 18:08:27 so he took all the money and ran? Apr 15 18:09:03 Other things are possible - perhaps he's taken sick Apr 15 18:09:48 there is always warez... Apr 15 18:11:10 with totally awesome warez releases like freeware apps Apr 15 18:11:13 xD Apr 15 18:11:31 lol Apr 15 18:18:01 does anyone want to attempt to install stellarium on thier Pre? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/arm/stellarium/download Apr 15 18:18:25 sounds like you do :) Apr 15 18:19:50 indeed, but I am a Adobe ColdFusion developer :) Apr 15 18:20:02 I'm sorry Apr 15 18:20:06 LOL Apr 15 18:20:34 phil_bw tried last night Apr 15 18:20:44 I have to agree with mdklein... we're all very sorry you have to use an Adobe app for a living :) Apr 15 18:21:13 or do you develop adobe coldfusion? Apr 15 18:21:31 i develop ColdFusion web apps Apr 15 18:22:03 gkatsev: no different then being a 'php developer' people say that all the time... Apr 15 18:23:09 i suppose the first thing would be getting X11 running on my Pre? Apr 15 18:23:19 Lumiere: i know, but assuming that developing adobe coldfusion is better, we can use the ambiguity to our advantage. Apr 15 18:26:09 can anyone figure out what is wrong with my control file in these two apps available at this preware feed: l337tech.com/webos/apps you can also navigate their in your browser Apr 15 18:27:01 trying to get these to packages dependant on each other but now preware wont even install them Apr 15 18:27:06 two* Apr 15 18:27:50 * oilsworkn looks at feed Apr 15 18:29:23 so i have to update freeTether soon huh Apr 15 18:31:10 feed looks ok Apr 15 18:31:21 reverse depending on each other though Apr 15 18:31:35 i dont know how preware would handle that Apr 15 18:31:47 hopefully not get stuck in a recursive loop and kill iteself Apr 15 18:32:12 trying to list hte dependent of the dependent of the dependent of the dependent of the dependent of the dependent of the ... Apr 15 18:32:37 i think it is getting in recursive cycle...and doesnt install becasue of that Apr 15 18:32:47 lol Apr 15 18:32:47 is it really dependent on each other? Apr 15 18:32:55 or is the kernel alone, and the app is dependent on the kernel? Apr 15 18:33:13 (as far as to make things work) Apr 15 18:33:15 they need each other....i did not want the user to be able to install the service without the app and vice versa Apr 15 18:33:38 the app can open....but not function without the service Apr 15 18:33:51 so the app depends on the service Apr 15 18:33:57 but the service does nothing without the app Apr 15 18:33:58 so is the app dependant on the service or other way Apr 15 18:34:04 we usually only depend it the one direction Apr 15 18:34:14 (and doing that in your feed will make it work) Apr 15 18:34:18 generally you can install services without the app Apr 15 18:34:24 lol....k....so going to make service dependant on app? Apr 15 18:34:30 they won't be useful for anything, but you can Apr 15 18:34:34 * nt4cats is down wit' IPP (yeah you know me!) Apr 15 18:34:36 ill add the recursive dependents to trac Apr 15 18:34:37 the app depends on the service typically in preware Apr 15 18:34:42 itl have to come out in the next release Apr 15 18:34:49 yeah, the app depends on the service usually Apr 15 18:34:56 the service doesn't need the app to work, technically Apr 15 18:34:57 the service depends on nothing Apr 15 18:35:00 okay...let me try that Apr 15 18:38:29 hey guys, what's the best way to get python on to the device? prefer to do it through the command line on the device (no host-side programs like modified webos doctor & whatnot) Apr 15 18:41:13 I just did ipkg-opt install python Apr 15 18:41:19 (from CLI) Apr 15 18:41:21 yeah, that's a great way to do it Apr 15 18:41:31 just make sure you have the opt directories in your path afterwards Apr 15 18:41:38 is www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware the best way to install preware? Apr 15 18:41:47 the preware-bootstrap shell script? Apr 15 18:42:08 http://install.preware.org seems to be the currently accepted method Apr 15 18:42:26 like i said - no client-side apps Apr 15 18:42:32 rather host-side Apr 15 18:43:30 beelzabub1: that bitly link was the one I used a couple of weeks back no problem Apr 15 18:43:59 what's the output for you guys of wget --version Apr 15 18:44:03 i seem to be having some problems Apr 15 18:44:08 beelzabub1: the WOSQI stuff looked more difficult ;-) Apr 15 18:44:27 palm-webos-device / # wget -v Apr 15 18:44:29 wget: invalid option -- v Apr 15 18:44:31 BusyBox v1.11.2 () multi-call binary Apr 15 18:44:47 anybody want to give installing stellarium a stab? Apr 15 18:44:51 interesting - same wget but it appears to be failing Apr 15 18:45:17 awk: /tmp/org.webosinternals.Packages: No such file or directory Apr 15 18:45:21 wget it on your host pc and ftp it over or something? Apr 15 18:45:23 ooer Apr 15 18:45:44 you should be able to wget on the pre .. i've done that before i am pretty sure Apr 15 18:45:44 org.webosinternals.Packages.gz is an html file with a redirect Apr 15 18:46:51 hmmm...let me look @ the server config Apr 15 18:46:56 jas Apr 15 18:47:26 the desktop version of wget is fine with it though - stupid busybox. bane of my existance Apr 15 18:48:51 beelzabub1, what url is it trying to use (original)? Apr 15 18:49:23 what do you mean? Would you like to include any alpha Preware/IPKGService releases for this install/update? [Y/N] N Apr 15 18:49:44 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/Packages.gz Apr 15 18:49:48 okay so its wosqi...thanks. Apr 15 18:51:38 busy box mentions they have a bug fixed after 1.15.0 for http->ftp redirection. it probably still doesn't work for http->https Apr 15 18:52:24 any chance there's a pre-built ipk for wget for armv7? Apr 15 18:53:24 beelzabub1: wget comes pre-installed (pun not intended) Apr 15 18:53:45 yes i know - but it's busybox. i'm talking about the real wget ipk Apr 15 18:54:39 beelzabub1: sorry, I just glanced at the channel and didn't see the context of your question Apr 15 18:54:58 no worries Apr 15 18:55:09 beelzabub1, I don't see anything wrong unless the varnish is screwing up. Apr 15 18:55:30 ok - figured out the problem. i think it was the wireless network i was connected to screwing it up. Apr 15 18:55:58 whew...np Apr 15 18:56:22 beelzabub1: optware has wget packages Apr 15 18:56:40 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# ipkg-opt list | grep wget Apr 15 18:56:40 wget - 1.12-2 - A network utility to retrieve files from the Web Apr 15 18:56:40 wget-ssl - 1.12-2 - A network utility to retrieve files from the Web Apr 15 18:57:12 beelzabub1: I can get you a URL for those if that'd help Apr 15 19:01:28 why do we still have a moratorium out on discussing wirc in here? Apr 15 19:01:36 becuase.... Apr 15 19:01:47 we can probably take down that disclaimer. Apr 15 19:02:02 * zsoc_wirc ignores halfhalo_class like a Brighthouse Labs app Apr 15 19:02:03 then do it Apr 15 19:02:18 well, theres a difference between me and brighthouse Apr 15 19:02:21 I spam more Apr 15 19:02:28 Brighthouse labs made wirc? No wonder the topic is anathema here! Apr 15 19:02:43 * nt4cats watches everyone scurry off to look up 'anathema' Apr 15 19:03:10 meh, thats to much effort Apr 15 19:03:16 ~dict anathema Apr 15 19:03:19 Dictionary 'anathema' (1 of 5): \A*nath"e*ma\, n.; pl. {Anathemas}. [L. anath[e^]ma, fr. Gr. ? anything devoted, esp. to evil, a curse; also L. anath[=e]ma, fr. Gr. ? a votive offering; all fr. ? to set up as a votive gift, dedicate; ? up + ? to set. See {Thesis}.] 1. A ban or curse pronounced with religious solemnity by ecclesiastical authority, and accompanied by excommunication. Hence: Denunciation of anything as accursed. [1913 Webster] [They] ... Apr 15 19:03:45 lazyness ftw! Apr 15 19:04:35 1. a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him. 2. a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction. Apr 15 19:04:45 * en0x is boooooored Apr 15 19:05:31 lol Apr 15 19:05:38 en0x: use your browser to go to images.google.com. Make sure "safe search" is off. Type in a seemingly-innocent phrase. See how many pages into the results you have to go before you see porn Apr 15 19:05:51 en0x: that'll keep you busy for at least an hour. Apr 15 19:09:01 en0x: example phrases -- "fried chicken" "pythagorean theorem" "wheel of fortune" "dan rather" ... Apr 15 19:09:27 ;] Apr 15 19:09:34 lol i'm not that boored Apr 15 19:09:35 ;P Apr 15 19:12:09 * nt4cats notes that for "fried chicken" the answer is 39 Apr 15 19:12:23 lol Apr 15 19:15:40 fffffuuuuuu yeaaaahhhhh Apr 15 19:23:54 [; Apr 15 19:23:57 ;] Apr 15 19:24:00 nom nom nom Apr 15 19:36:35 howdy Apr 15 19:37:27 hiya, is the conference over? Apr 15 19:37:37 or one more day? Apr 15 19:40:09 ka6sox: it endednlast night, but my train doesn't leave til after 9pm today Apr 15 19:41:38 how was the conference ? Apr 15 19:43:21 bpadalino|work: great. I will definitely try to return next year Apr 15 19:44:01 excellent Apr 15 19:50:28 hi, I'm trying to connect Googles graphical eclipse V8 debugger to the palm emulator on a Mac, but the debugger port is only available inside the debugger and I can't find a way into it, any ideas? maybe ssh? Apr 15 20:00:02 ummm, how does Verizon get away with only allowing exchange on the pre with a $44.99 data plan? Apr 15 20:00:17 wait, what? Apr 15 20:00:20 are they blocking the server type somehow, or is it just corporate BS? Apr 15 20:00:28 sounds like bs Apr 15 20:00:40 yeah.. i think it's just to scare you into paying more Apr 15 20:00:40 exchange is freaking built into the os Apr 15 20:00:45 exactly Apr 15 20:02:16 hi Apr 15 20:02:25 dammit Apr 15 20:02:29 want my paycheck already Apr 15 20:02:33 Unlimited Corporate Email & Web for Smartphones (business & personal email) Retail Price: $44.99 Apr 15 20:02:44 Unlimited Email & Web for Smartphones (personal email). Retail Price: $29.99 Apr 15 20:03:06 haha, good luck tryin to block my exchange server with the $29.99 plan Apr 15 20:03:11 lulz Apr 15 20:03:23 i'll hax0r it to work if they do Apr 15 20:03:30 pfft Apr 15 20:03:37 god, they convinced my dad he needed the 44 dollar plan for his bb Apr 15 20:03:47 lol Apr 15 20:03:48 one, he barely USES the damn thing Apr 15 20:03:50 well see... that may be true, coz of the bb Apr 15 20:03:59 coz they do charge extra for BES Apr 15 20:04:10 its just for show (IE every other lawyer at his firm has one) Apr 15 20:04:15 hmm, i don't see how they can block exchange... Apr 15 20:04:20 sockenfresser: ssh tunnel would work -- emulator ssh is already mapped to port 5522 on localhost (desktop). Apr 15 20:04:44 lemktron: thanks Apr 15 20:05:18 and you might actually find the v8 debugger port already mapped to port 5858 on the desktop Apr 15 20:05:30 my hands are to cold for this kb Apr 15 20:05:58 but the v8 port is not answering Apr 15 20:06:02 (You can do "VBoxManage list vms" to get a list of VMs, then "VBoxManage getextradata enumerate | sort" to see the ports that are mapped. Apr 15 20:06:10 What host are you on? Apr 15 20:06:46 (Mac, Windows, Linux?) Apr 15 20:07:14 Or on cardboard? Apr 15 20:07:16 :p Apr 15 20:07:36 time for iChat to die Apr 15 20:08:09 how hard would it be to patch multiple identies to the email client. basically multiple smtp configs for ONE inbox? Apr 15 20:09:03 Shouldn't be too hard. I would pay money for that patch. Apr 15 20:09:10 why.... Apr 15 20:09:21 The reply-to field already accepts comma-separated addresses. Apr 15 20:09:43 The compose screen just needs to split the multiple addresses into additional entries in the "From" popup that it already creates for each of your configured accounts. Apr 15 20:10:00 i don't want the reply-to i want to actually have several smtp outs (like gmail and thunderbird do) Apr 15 20:10:06 oh Apr 15 20:10:25 I want multiple from identities for a single imap/smtp account. Apr 15 20:11:12 this cold is inturrupting my ability to think Apr 15 20:11:13 basically the same problem, only that the identiy also contains a smtp Apr 15 20:11:34 yeah, but that's a lot more work. :-/ Apr 15 20:11:44 ffff Apr 15 20:11:54 since a new smtp host may require a whole new set of related information Apr 15 20:11:55 bbl, need to leave office before I freeze Apr 15 20:12:12 office? _class? Apr 15 20:12:26 halfhalo_class: where are you? Apr 15 20:12:43 sockenfresser: are you still trying to do this? I got it to work. Apr 15 20:12:50 yes how Apr 15 20:12:51 why is it so cold there? Apr 15 20:13:28 sockenfresser: First step, novaterm to the device and type "debug". This enables the debugger on (device) port 5858. Apr 15 20:13:39 (you can then quit the debugger on the device) Apr 15 20:14:24 Next you need to set up a tunnel since v8 will only listen to local requests. You can do that with ssh or novacom. Apr 15 20:15:55 For ssh (Mac or Linux) type this: ssh -p 5522 -L 5859:localhost:5858 root@localhost Apr 15 20:16:12 morning Apr 15 20:16:16 For windows, you can use plink: plink -ssh -P 5522 -L 5581:localhost:8080 root@localhost Apr 15 20:16:37 Sorry, bad paste. Apr 15 20:16:57 For windows, use: plink -ssh -P 5522 -L 5859:localhost:5858 root@localhost Apr 15 20:17:11 In either case, you can then access the v8 debugger on the host through port 5859. Apr 15 20:17:50 And I think this works with novacom in the latest SDK, too (meaning device or emulator target): novacom -P -f 5859:5858 Apr 15 20:18:12 ok I tried this, but I think I mixed up the ports Apr 15 20:18:12 (yes, IP port forwarding in novacom to a device target over USB...) :-) Apr 15 20:18:42 * rwhitby considers what the best way to check webOS version compatibility for a kernel install might be ... Apr 15 20:18:53 don't forget you have to enable the v8 debugger first by typing "debug" in a novaterm session. Apr 15 20:19:05 rwhitby, there is that file that holds it, no? Apr 15 20:19:22 oil: oh, getting the version is fine - /etc/palm-build-info Apr 15 20:19:43 oil: just thinking of what and how to check it against in the postinst Apr 15 20:20:22 member:lemketron: thanks it woks now lets see what the graphical eclipse debugger says Apr 15 20:20:33 sockenfresser: That said, the eclipse debugger might still not work if it's expecting to connect to an instance of Chrome, which uses a different protocol in front of the v8 protocol to describe the available browsing sessions (tabs) and then specify a specific instance of v8 to connect to. Apr 15 20:20:46 (which it did the last time we looked at it) Apr 15 20:20:59 no it supports the crome and the old v8 protocol Apr 15 20:21:44 sockenfresser: any chance you could write up a wiki page on how to use eclipse with v8 debugger? Apr 15 20:24:44 I could connect to the device but I couldn't load the scripts, but there must be a way, development would be so much easier, so I could develop just like in a real IDE, If get this working I will write, but at the moment I'm still working on it, I hope I dont have to mess around with the eclipse plugin code Apr 15 20:25:11 ping me if you have any other connectivity-related questions. Apr 15 20:25:26 you can confirm that connectivity works by doing "telnet localhost 5859" when you have the tunnel set up Apr 15 20:25:53 (which should return the same result as "telnet localhost 5858" on the device side after typing "debug" to enable the debugger) Apr 15 20:27:21 I did it with nc localhost 5859 Apr 15 20:30:18 lemketron: hey, familiar name Apr 15 20:30:37 remember me, i'm the noisy bluetooth guy Apr 15 20:31:07 * lemketron hides Apr 15 20:32:51 ok thanks for the connection help, now comes the hard stuff, cu Apr 15 20:33:21 lemketron: haha Apr 15 20:33:44 you can hide, but you can't run! muahaha Apr 15 20:33:46 oh... wait. Apr 15 20:35:28 hmm, gcc 4.5.0 is out Apr 15 20:43:56 jacques: yeah and they added a bunch of c++0x stuff Apr 15 20:44:39 grrr Apr 15 20:44:42 flash Apr 15 20:45:05 * jacques is reading http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.5/changes.html Apr 15 20:52:58 * rwhitby decides to use a case statement with a pattern written into the postinst script based on the webos version Apr 15 20:54:18 so, just played with an ipad and gotta say, not really impressed Apr 15 20:54:34 rwhitby: what are you doing that for? Apr 15 20:55:10 Lumiere: to ensure you can't install a 1.4.0 kernel on 1.4.1 unless it has been specifically marked as compatible with 1.4.1 Apr 15 20:56:22 Lumiere: principle #7 in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/241355-next-generation-kernel-development-packaging.html Apr 15 20:57:32 hey jhojho Apr 15 20:57:47 halfhalo_class: who is? Apr 15 20:58:04 apple fanboys Apr 15 20:58:10 jhojho: the temp sensor patch didn't work for me - I'm still wondering if the SoC ES revision in the Pre actually has the internal temp sensor enabled Apr 15 20:58:28 i wouldnt mind one, if the price was sane. Apr 15 20:58:43 i like reading neal stevenson, and his books are 1000 pages.. Apr 15 20:59:14 i think reading on an ipad/nook/amazon is my next step Apr 15 20:59:22 can you import PDFS ? Apr 15 20:59:31 I heart my kindle dx Apr 15 20:59:55 yea? Apr 15 21:00:00 u know.. Apr 15 21:00:05 i have a lot of text books Apr 15 21:00:09 and so do I Apr 15 21:00:35 i rip the pages out, and feed them in to a xerox workcentre M123 Apr 15 21:01:12 i can essentially grep -i -A 10 -B phrase * Apr 15 21:01:18 through a -bunch- of stuff. Apr 15 21:01:39 sup rwhitby, whats good ;] Apr 15 21:04:02 infobot: Whats good? Apr 15 21:04:10 you whore, imah brb, feds. Apr 15 21:04:38 ... Apr 15 21:06:41 oc80z: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/241355-next-generation-kernel-development-packaging.html Apr 15 21:07:06 oc80z: and orange+tapping kernels to uninstall them Apr 15 21:07:29 the nexus one hardware is pretty nice Apr 15 21:07:59 uh-oh, we've lost jacques Apr 15 21:09:19 rwhitby, I wouldn't worry about that :-) Apr 15 21:09:41 rwhitby, webos is still the better OS IMHO Apr 15 21:10:06 * oc80z tried em all too Apr 15 21:10:13 I keep wanting to swipe apps in android Apr 15 21:10:22 live free or die. Apr 15 21:10:26 I do like the live wallpaper tho Apr 15 21:10:27 tux wins. Apr 15 21:10:33 I wish we could do that in webos Apr 15 21:10:48 jacques why not eh? Apr 15 21:10:53 I played with an iPad the other day and kept trying to swipe apps :( Apr 15 21:10:54 jacques i think its very possible, Apr 15 21:11:16 oc80z, live wallpaper? wouldn't that require access to lunamgr ? Apr 15 21:11:18 I think I've sold 4 in the last few days since I got it up and running on our corporate network... iphones are still banned. Apr 15 21:11:48 don't think anyone has even asked about an android phone at our org, it's bberry or iphone. Apr 15 21:12:23 yeah? Apr 15 21:12:36 does this mean it found it? Apr 15, 2010 2:17:29 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.runner.DeviceDiscoveryRunner$DeviceDiscoveryThread run Apr 15 21:12:36 INFO: got devices 0 Apr 15 21:14:29 nope Apr 15 21:15:39 its sitting at the activation screen and doing nothing. Apr 15 21:16:39 when I plug it in it says "got controller" Apr 15 21:16:47 then back to not discovering the phone. Apr 15 21:19:27 starting over yields same result. Apr 15 21:26:36 pr 15, 2010 2:31:23 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFinished Apr 15 21:26:36 WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Apr 15 21:27:19 ka6sox-work: do a vol+up recovery Apr 15 21:27:38 okay 5th time was a charm (with vol+Up recovery) Apr 15 21:27:56 yep Apr 15 21:32:03 surprised no connect on open-ap patch yet. Apr 15 21:32:45 * jacques installs google earth on the n1 Apr 15 21:32:46 has forced send-offline patch ever worked/ i thought mine did. Apr 15 21:33:03 jacques u whore Apr 15 21:33:07 Apr 15 21:34:53 oc80z, :-( Apr 15 21:35:01 looks like its going to work...84% and rising Apr 15 21:35:04 wawawa.... Apr 15 21:35:05 nah im happy for you Apr 15 21:35:27 ka6sox-work, what's working? Apr 15 21:35:35 ka6sox-work, doctor? Apr 15 21:35:49 yes, meta-doctor on the phone. Apr 15 21:36:16 I set it up but this is the first day I've been around my dev machine...been ssh ing into it. Apr 15 21:36:26 why can't all companies understand the value of free hardware for developers? :-( Apr 15 21:36:34 because? Apr 15 21:36:41 wait, you got free phone? Apr 15 21:36:46 I want free phone! Apr 15 21:36:55 right place, right time Apr 15 21:37:06 halfhalo_class, yeah, everyone at this conference at the wrap-up got a free nexus one from google Apr 15 21:37:29 I feel sorry for the ppl who didn't happen to be here, left a bit early, skipped the wrap meeting, etc. Apr 15 21:37:43 by right place, right time do you mean the back of a carrier store, late at night, with a crowbar? Apr 15 21:37:48 and jacques, nice Apr 15 21:37:53 lol Apr 15 21:38:10 no SIM, of course Apr 15 21:38:11 halfhalo_class, no, where he was. Apr 15 21:38:30 but I do wish pre had a micro-sd slot Apr 15 21:38:46 ya, that would be nice Apr 15 21:38:52 okay that worked...I'm up Apr 15 21:38:53 and I wish for a pony, but you don't always get what you wish for Apr 15 21:39:00 hey, a pony! Apr 15 21:39:15 * sbromwich wishes for dancing girls and beer Apr 15 21:39:29 halfhalo_class: how come you got what you wanted and I didn't? Apr 15 21:39:32 * VincentLaw wishes for dancing girls drinking beer Apr 15 21:39:33 >.> Apr 15 21:39:37 ++ Apr 15 21:40:02 because I'm slightly crazy? Apr 15 21:40:27 halfhalo_class: you might have a point there ;-) Apr 15 21:40:41 man this touchscreen takes a LOT of force. Apr 15 21:40:52 thats what she said Apr 15 21:40:54 what size lump hammer, ka6sox-work? Apr 15 21:41:08 a 2kg one. Apr 15 21:41:15 impressive. Apr 15 21:42:23 jacques, now the screen dims Apr 15 21:45:34 ka6sox-work, cool, how did you fix that? Apr 15 21:45:47 meta-doctor Apr 15 21:46:03 fix what? Apr 15 21:46:04 it was what we thought it was. Apr 15 21:46:13 ka6sox-work, any special option you had to enable? Apr 15 21:46:22 VincentLaw, the screen didn't dim Apr 15 21:46:44 oh you mean the light sensor not working ? Apr 15 21:46:54 I enabled all the ones I thought I would use...which meant all of them except the last one. Apr 15 21:47:14 VincentLaw, its supposed to auto-dim after a period of time. Apr 15 21:47:27 (shut off the screen backlight) but it didnt' Apr 15 21:47:46 there's an anti-virus app for android :-| Apr 15 21:48:51 palm-webos-device build # ipkg-opt list | grep -i clam Apr 15 21:48:53 clamav - 0.96-1 - Clam ANtivirus is a GPL anti-virus toolkit for UNIX Apr 15 21:48:55 palm-webos-device build # Apr 15 21:49:01 * zsoc makes an anti-virus program for the pre, which checks homebrew services and stops the upstart stuff you're not using Apr 15 21:49:27 just what the pre needs, something to slow it down further :p Apr 15 21:49:50 * zsoc 's pre isn't slow Apr 15 21:51:05 I already miss the hardware keyboard Apr 15 21:53:13 this phone does handle some long long lists without pauses tho Apr 15 21:54:56 jacques: what phone ya usin? Apr 15 21:55:13 zsoc, nexus one Apr 15 21:55:32 zsoc, it was free Apr 15 21:55:53 jacques: ah, it's a nice phone Apr 15 21:56:20 jacques: did you get anywhere with sb2 on karmic on xen? Apr 15 21:56:27 zsoc, I agree. it's kinda fun to play with. but too big for my pocket, and I don't have a SIM anyway Apr 15 21:56:34 jacques: (for our cross-compile autobuilder upgrade) Apr 15 21:56:43 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/arm/stellarium/download can anyone attempt to install this on the Pre? Apr 15 21:57:06 holy shit Apr 15 21:57:08 check this Apr 15 21:57:15 rwhitby, after the second proc was removed, I was still getting the qemu segfaults. I have not tried since the new motherboard was installed (last night?) Apr 15 21:57:52 let me bring it back up but we need to disable the autobuilds. Apr 15 21:58:44 I really want to compare the color gamuts of the n1 and pre displays Apr 15 21:59:47 with a limited color palette, the n1 looks great. but I read the color gamut is low (AMOLED) Apr 15 22:01:02 jacques , its back up Apr 15 22:01:33 ka6sox-work, new motherboard is in? Apr 15 22:01:49 yes, + all 8 Procs Apr 15 22:02:01 sweet, memtest looks good now? Apr 15 22:02:34 yes, but it never showed anything. Apr 15 22:02:35 jacques, ka6sox-work: I've removed known_hosts on karmic, so you will get a chance to abort if you accidentally try and upload to feeds Apr 15 22:03:01 rwhitby, okay good. Apr 15 22:03:06 its still in testing mode. Apr 15 22:03:27 what is the hostname again? (to ssh to) Apr 15 22:04:26 hopefully qemu doesn't barf. Apr 15 22:41:32 rwhitby: ping Apr 15 22:41:41 just saw your msg about temp sensor Apr 15 22:44:35 jhojho: syn\ack Apr 15 22:45:00 have been travelling so just catching up Apr 15 22:45:15 * rwhitby just pushed webos version compatibility checking for our kernel builds Apr 15 22:45:52 nice. Apr 15 22:46:24 md5sum checking is in already Apr 15 22:46:27 is the plan to ship kernels with distinct modversions or not? or are you planning a different way to differentiate kernels Apr 15 22:46:50 jhojho: user@host is used for version@packageid Apr 15 22:46:52 iirc changing the modversion caused some modules to freak out. Apr 15 22:47:04 not changing any modversion stuff with binary modules in the mix Apr 15 22:47:16 ok good Apr 15 22:47:31 saw your post re kernel packaging Apr 15 22:47:36 jhojho: and orange+tap to revert to previous kernel is working nicely Apr 15 22:47:44 we should start an experimental feed for kernels Apr 15 22:47:51 so does the stock Palm kernel checksum to the same as the stock autobuilt kernel? Apr 15 22:48:05 uNiXpSyChO: that should be the hardware feed no? Apr 15 22:48:07 jhojho: nope Apr 15 22:48:20 jhojho: no. but we have palm-kernel-pre which packages the GPL binaries from the doctor Apr 15 22:48:40 jhojho: stock autobuilt is different md5sum of course Apr 15 22:48:46 jhojho: i meant maybe more kernels that normal users wont see... like some of my uber stripped kernels and Steve's kernels. Apr 15 22:48:49 (that's stock-kernel-pre) Apr 15 22:49:20 does stock-kernel-pre use the same .config as palm-kernel-pre? Apr 15 22:49:21 jhojho: the OE Submission ID never gets built in... and the sources are wrong number of course. Apr 15 22:49:52 uNiXpSyChO: ah, maybe a hardware-testing feed then? Apr 15 22:50:57 uNiXpSyChO: btw did you see the msg from sbromwich re governors other than userspace not being affected by the LunaSysMgr speed hack? Apr 15 22:51:33 ondemand gives better battery performance too Apr 15 22:51:34 jhojho: yes. that is normal. hence why i dont use Luna Hack on my kernels anymore Apr 15 22:52:21 heh, i've never noticed feeds/hardware before O_o Apr 15 22:52:33 ok. just saw that the orig 720install.sh scripts appeared to have the luna hack Apr 15 22:52:40 smells like trouble :> Apr 15 22:52:55 FuMan: just don't post it on PreCentral Apr 15 22:53:11 (until it's ready for end-user use) Apr 15 22:53:15 FuMan: yeah. you will get trolled to death Apr 15 22:53:19 rwhitby: what's the meta-geneticist looking like? =^D Apr 15 22:53:27 uNiXpSyChO: who would do a thing like that? Apr 15 22:53:44 grndslm: some other guy said he was going to do it, so I've dropped it (he had the idea first) Apr 15 22:53:56 sbromwich: do what? troll? Apr 15 22:54:09 hrm, word Apr 15 22:54:09 mmm Apr 15 22:54:19 I find it more evil to post pure facts Apr 15 22:54:24 now i got some more ways to put off outlining for mergers :) Apr 15 22:54:47 rwhitby: hmm... the guy in that one thread, who basically wrote that simple java app for disk dump?? Apr 15 22:54:58 * sbromwich has an excellent capacity for Stating the Bleeding Obvious. Apr 15 22:55:14 sbromwich: nothing wrong with facts... some people think they have facts but pull it out of their a$$ Apr 15 22:55:14 grndslm: the guy that I tweeted about Apr 15 22:55:23 hmm... musta missed that Apr 15 22:57:47 heh Apr 15 22:57:51 i should really check the internals twitter page more frequently than i change the precentral front page Apr 15 22:57:55 just saw a new banner msg in preware alpha Apr 15 22:58:58 I read a finance article today that says palm's biggest downfall is WebOS. I had to laugh. Apr 15 22:59:25 grndslm: set up an RSS feed: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/64349812.rss Apr 15 23:05:00 for the curious, the existing file modification verification is working just fine o_x Apr 15 23:05:18 FuMan: excellent. keep us up to date with your pre-alpha testing :) Apr 15 23:06:08 FuMan: and the Palm Kernel in the webos-internals testing feed can fix that for you Apr 15 23:06:49 hah, shoulda tested that Apr 15 23:07:25 i guess i don't understand the difference between palm kernel in testing and stock kernel in hardware Apr 15 23:08:11 ah, interesting, the latest kernels from caj2008 have pmPostInstall and pmPreRemove scripts Apr 15 23:08:12 i understand that palm kernel is just pulled from the doctor... but then what is stock-kernel's purpose Apr 15 23:08:38 and also, idiot user comment here Apr 15 23:08:44 i love the icon change Apr 15 23:08:53 when searching from main screen in preware alpha Apr 15 23:08:59 i laughed fairly well when I noticed it Apr 15 23:09:01 rwhitby: that's why i puked yesterday Apr 15 23:09:06 uNiXpSyChO: Maintainer: unixpsycho, caj2008 Apr 15 23:09:17 in Version 1.2.2 Apr 15 23:09:35 FuMan: stock kernel is palm kernel, but rebuilt Apr 15 23:09:41 FuMan: it's a "control" kernel Apr 15 23:10:11 rwhitby: i didnt notice the version... 1.2.2 i didnt give out Apr 15 23:10:16 hrm, why not use the doctor for control O_o Apr 15 23:10:38 rwhitby: and of course i dont maintain that ipk since i didnt build it Apr 15 23:10:49 yuck, scrolling is nasty at 500mhz :> Apr 15 23:11:05 FuMan: stock kernel is control for building and packaging - it is compared against doctor Apr 15 23:11:21 oooooh Apr 15 23:11:26 silly question, but why is java running with only -Xmx15M? Apr 15 23:11:27 alright Apr 15 23:11:30 * FuMan is hip now Apr 15 23:11:52 if that's the max I'm not overly surprised about this too many cards kerfuffle Apr 15 23:12:23 FuMan: and other passive things (like a temp sensor if we had one that worked) may well be added to stock kernel, still thinking about whether that's a good idea or not Apr 15 23:13:09 * FuMan passed the verification of existing files test - wahoo Apr 15 23:13:39 it seems like this has gone quite a ways since the .sh scripts Apr 15 23:15:10 bum, fail on msleep Apr 15 23:16:13 sbromwich: what kinda fail? Apr 15 23:16:38 reboot kernel kinda fail Apr 15 23:17:07 so instead I'm now trying replacing the udelay(1) with 3 * udelay(50) Apr 15 23:17:18 udelay(10), rather Apr 15 23:17:39 FuMan: we weren't involved with the .sh scripts or previous .ipk releases Apr 15 23:17:46 udelay(100), SHIP IT Apr 15 23:17:48 :) Apr 15 23:18:09 setting udelay too high can cause overflows Apr 15 23:18:27 rwhitby, jah, it shows. Apr 15 23:18:56 heh, for what its worth, Uber-Kernel in launcher shows up as Uber-Kernel (Palm Apr 15 23:19:04 although, i guess i'm running 4x4, so that may change things Apr 15 23:21:10 and this icon exists for nothing but removing the kernel via metatap right? Apr 15 23:21:31 FuMan: eventually it might describe what the kernel does, a copy of the preware desc Apr 15 23:22:15 are the jive scripts to make uberkernel do crazy stuff hosted publically somewhere yet? Apr 15 23:24:42 FuMan: nope Apr 15 23:24:49 FuMan: they don't exist ye Apr 15 23:24:50 t Apr 15 23:25:04 well, that certainly takes a lot of the fun/danger out, now doesn't it Apr 15 23:25:44 FuMan: no, it's more fun cause you get to see the result of your typos in /sys Apr 15 23:26:35 times like this make me realize how twisted the developer view of "fun" truly is Apr 15 23:28:34 FuMan: there will be at least two apps to control this stuff. CPUScaler and Govnah Apr 15 23:29:02 yeah, saw the govnah entry start populating in the wiki the other day Apr 15 23:29:08 had to say it outloud before I got it Apr 15 23:30:27 * rwhitby bbl (theme parks again today) Apr 15 23:31:05 dtzWill: latest kernel builds should have version check in them Apr 15 23:31:57 dtzWill: we should test a 1.4.0 stock kernel install going through a 1.4.1 OTA update and then refusing to put the incorrect backup back in place Apr 15 23:33:42 rwhitby: do you know if the temp sensor is supposed to register a file in procfs or sysfs anywhere? Apr 15 23:34:01 sbromwich: it does, and it's in the logs from yesterday Apr 15 23:34:12 ah k thanks Apr 15 23:34:35 cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input Apr 15 23:34:43 but it doesn't work for me Apr 15 23:34:53 always returns 0 for raw value (-40 for processed value) Apr 15 23:35:46 does it have to be a module? Apr 15 23:36:00 I tried it compiled in and there's nothing Apr 15 23:36:32 sbromwich: the patches in git will compile it in and enable it in defconfig-safe.patch Apr 15 23:37:13 okie Apr 15 23:42:01 * rwhitby gone Apr 15 23:47:37 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `build/arm.built-1.4.1-6', needed by `build/.built-1.4.1-6'. Stop. Apr 15 23:47:38 :-/ Apr 15 23:49:35 cross compiling a kernel ? Apr 15 23:50:37 I think I've cocked up my git handling somewhere, just trying to figure out where Apr 15 23:53:26 mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre$ make download Apr 15 23:53:28 ../../support/download.mk:156: *** "Please define VERSION in your Makefile". Stop. Apr 15 23:53:30 mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre$ grep VERSION Makefile Apr 15 23:53:32 VERSIONS = 1.4.1-6 Apr 15 23:53:34 hmmmm Apr 15 23:54:12 ah-hah Apr 15 23:54:28 adding VERSION = 1.4.1-6 got me further Apr 15 23:54:32 random poking ftw. Apr 16 00:20:01 sbromwich, he took it out in 1.4.1-6 Apr 16 00:21:05 sbromwich, I have a new patch from another source that I need to diff now. Apr 16 00:21:40 (its just the section that deals with communicating with the temp sensor directly) Apr 16 00:21:53 bbiaf Apr 16 01:19:05 Prē tomorrow! Apr 16 01:19:25 tomorrow? Apr 16 01:20:21 pre tomorrow is today, no? Apr 16 01:21:36 I got a (small) bonus at work for last month, and I intend to use it to buy a Prē tomorrow :) Apr 16 01:26:49 nice Apr 16 01:26:59 it will be a good purchase im sure Apr 16 01:29:28 oil, are you the driving force behind Govnah, or just the sucker willing to wiki Apr 16 01:29:44 ill be whippin up the mojo app Apr 16 01:30:26 i only started the wiki page to list out things that were talked about being added Apr 16 01:30:33 i wouldn't call oil a 'driving force' in general Apr 16 01:30:38 since i know next to nothing about govenors overclocking, etc, etc Apr 16 01:30:51 more like a 'slipping implementation' Apr 16 01:31:02 I'm wanting to change the voicemail number to include pauses and password. I think this is stored in some sqlite database somewhere? Apr 16 01:31:30 zsoc, thats why preware is at 0.9.154 now Apr 16 01:31:35 it keeps slipping from 1.0 Apr 16 01:31:40 xD Apr 16 01:32:01 and really, we went way too fast through the first versions Apr 16 01:32:07 it started at like 0.6 i think Apr 16 01:32:38 mischko: i saw a solution to pauses and such on the P|C front page a couple months back Apr 16 01:33:07 grndslm, I'll see if I can find it. Apr 16 01:33:36 thats what I always laughed at Apr 16 01:33:45 it went from like .2 to .6 in a week Apr 16 01:33:49 and then .6.324875938475 Apr 16 01:33:52 yeah Apr 16 01:34:01 though all that is rwhitbys fault >:) Apr 16 01:34:14 i was just pumped to see new banner lines Apr 16 01:34:24 "we'll hit 1.0... eventually" Apr 16 01:34:27 haha Apr 16 01:34:33 yeah, i added that one a release or so ago Apr 16 01:34:39 or, maybe not new, but one I had never seen Apr 16 01:34:48 wird Apr 16 01:34:51 * FuMan notices things. Apr 16 01:35:07 you're the first to mention that one that i've seen Apr 16 01:35:22 suck it Blue. Apr 16 01:35:37 I also just figured out Foobar has a fairly slick library feature now Apr 16 01:35:51 probably been there since .9.6, a couple years back O_o Apr 16 01:36:01 but, i've recently decided it doesn't suck Apr 16 01:36:11 so, its been a pretty big day for this guy. Apr 16 01:36:19 grndslm, It works if you set up a new voicemail entry/shortcut but doesn't work when you hit the voicemail button. Somehow that's coded up elsewhere. Apr 16 01:37:08 suck it blue? Apr 16 01:37:13 someone watched rvb? Apr 16 01:37:18 heh Apr 16 01:37:25 I was a sponsor back in the day Apr 16 01:37:29 fell out around S4 Apr 16 01:37:29 * oil too Apr 16 01:37:38 i used to run a halo site Apr 16 01:37:44 well, still do, its just mostly abandoned Apr 16 01:37:45 in the last 2 weeks i've pounded out 5, and all the RE: episodes Apr 16 01:37:55 it took a weird turn, but it was still pretty solid Apr 16 01:37:59 lol, i watched all the ones i missed a week or so ago Apr 16 01:38:08 wow, did we just become best friends? Apr 16 01:38:13 the only reason i caught it Apr 16 01:38:14 haha Apr 16 01:38:35 I actually just set my ringtone as sarges house beat Apr 16 01:38:43 lol Apr 16 01:38:51 If I want to explore the internal apps, is the source available? Apr 16 01:38:54 didiloo, beep beep Apr 16 01:38:59 Like for the phone app? Apr 16 01:39:01 mischko, its all on the phone Apr 16 01:39:06 its also all in the doctor Apr 16 01:39:16 hidden in a tar inside a tar inside the jar Apr 16 01:39:18 xD Apr 16 01:39:25 and im debating setting my ringtone as the Caboose mess up bow chicka bum bum Apr 16 01:39:33 oil, what's the doctor? Apr 16 01:39:38 the webos doctor Apr 16 01:40:56 Got it. Where's it at on the phone itself? Where do the apps get deployed to? Apr 16 01:43:02 stock apps and downloaded apps are in different spots Apr 16 01:43:11 where's the stock ones? Apr 16 01:43:21 er.. /var/palm? maybe? Apr 16 01:43:25 or /var/usr/palm Apr 16 01:43:48 * oil doesn't know off the top of his head Apr 16 01:44:03 /var/usr/palm is empty. /var/palm has 3 dirs in it (data, event.d, system-services) Apr 16 01:44:33 /usr/palm/applications Apr 16 01:45:02 great. THanks. Apr 16 02:57:32 anyone out there getting "too many cards" error on a regular basis and willing to test a change? Apr 16 02:58:06 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/241999-possible-fix-too-many-cards-error.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010