**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010 Apr 20 03:26:30 preoccupied: ping Apr 20 03:27:15 * zsoc_wirc wonders how pidgin's irc plugin reacts to nick triggers Apr 20 03:52:31 this is the weirdest CSS issue I've ever seen Apr 20 03:52:42 I did webkit transform rotate on the battery icon Apr 20 03:52:52 and I'm trying to use margins to move it into place Apr 20 03:53:04 Hello to all im having some problems with my pre. Apr 20 03:53:07 would you believe that adding a margin-right actually moves it in 2 directions, diagonally? Apr 20 03:53:28 It ran out of memory in the root partition Apr 20 03:53:43 So I doctored and its still low on memory Apr 20 03:54:05 doctoring doesn't wipe / Apr 20 03:54:25 it came down from 100 to 91 Apr 20 03:54:38 how can I gain more space Apr 20 03:54:44 Where would I look ? Apr 20 03:55:06 du should show you Apr 20 03:55:07 to actually clear data Apr 20 03:55:12 you need to go into the device menu Apr 20 03:55:16 and do a full erase Apr 20 03:55:22 that should clear up what a doctor doesn't get Apr 20 03:56:09 Good idea. I have tried many apps and other things before they moved the from /var to /media Im not sure if that has anything to do with it. Apr 20 03:56:27 How full is your / partition? Apr 20 03:58:23 I made a thread. Im pretty sure this is related to Error 6 on quick install Apr 20 03:58:23 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2392602#post2392602 Apr 20 03:59:02 anynickkjfks: full erase and doctor should clear everything Apr 20 04:00:42 Thanks I am trying that now. Apr 20 04:01:37 The screen grayed over and it looks like its doing nothing. Is this normal? Apr 20 04:03:30 the full erase will take a while, yes Apr 20 04:34:15 I am back from doing the full erase on my phone and it looks like everything is wiped but it is still at 91% Apr 20 04:35:52 anyone here with ssh on their pre? Apr 20 04:36:02 on 1.4.1.1 Apr 20 04:42:05 fdsafdafvhtrwg4t: 91% is normal for / Apr 20 04:42:19 fdsafdafvhtrwg4t: the space for apps is in a different partition (/media/cryptofs) Apr 20 04:50:21 Thats how I first found out I tried installing an app with quick install and got error 6. Then I moved it to usb partition and tried ipkg-opt install and it said I did not have enough space that I only had 16k. So I did the df and saw that the / partition only had 16k left. Apr 20 04:58:34 fdsafdafvhtrwg4t: ipkg-opt is not for installing webOS applications Apr 20 04:59:02 fdsafdafvhtrwg4t: and you will need to make sure you have the optware boostrap installed first before using ipkg-opt, otherwise it would fill the / partition Apr 20 05:01:48 Yes I have optware installed. Apr 20 05:02:21 It was installed with the ssh server. Apr 20 05:02:40 It is also filled when using webos quick install. Apr 20 05:16:50 that is most annoying Apr 20 05:25:12 Hey ywall Apr 20 05:25:39 Greetings from Atlanta, Georgia! Apr 20 05:28:28 Wow, this joint is a hot bed of activity. Apr 20 05:28:40 yees, yes it is Apr 20 05:28:48 Is anyone here or is everyone in here just making out??? Apr 20 05:28:59 Aahhhhhhhhhhh Apr 20 05:29:04 Someone lives?! :0) Apr 20 05:29:24 not really Apr 20 05:29:33 watching hulu Apr 20 05:29:38 HEH! How goes it Mr. Halo? Apr 20 05:29:39 good evening, any devs in the house that want to take stab at getting stellarium on their Pre? Apr 20 05:30:01 Ahhh yes! Hulu.....is Rescue Me back on air yet? Apr 20 05:32:02 Seren-drewp-ity Apr 20 05:32:41 maybe someone can explain this one to me, I was having troubles with my PDF viewer, so I wiped out the com.palm.applications.pdfviewer directory, rebooted my pre, and when it came back up I was still able to launch a PDF, where is it storing the internal apps if its not at /usr/palm/applications Apr 20 05:34:47 mikepre look in media/internal Apr 20 05:37:31 try... find / -type d -name 'pdfviewer' Apr 20 05:38:04 or .... find / -type d -name '*.pdfviewer' Apr 20 05:40:09 woo Apr 20 05:40:37 got my rotated battery icon patch raring to go. just need to finish the edits for all other states, and package it up. Apr 20 05:40:43 that can wait till tomorrow though Apr 20 05:44:33 its 22:40 Apr 20 06:16:06 * DrewPre slaps DrewPre around a bit with a large trout Apr 20 06:17:25 * rwhitby bbl Apr 20 06:24:10 folks Apr 20 06:24:43 * bhuey cross his fingers and hopes Palm survives through this mess Apr 20 06:24:49 anybody going to developer days here ? Apr 20 06:25:11 * oil was thinking about it, but isn't Apr 20 06:25:21 we were talking dev days in webos Apr 20 06:25:52 were we? Apr 20 06:25:59 * oil is not in #webos xD Apr 20 06:26:06 fail Apr 20 06:26:31 i thought this was the better room :) Apr 20 06:27:21 nope Apr 20 06:28:27 I got a situation to pose to the room...wanna see if anyone else had a glimpse of it.......... Apr 20 06:29:00 On an emulator.... I installed pkg mgr and preware and proceed to install a whole crap load of optware utils.... Apr 20 06:29:17 prolly easier to list the ones i didn't install... Apr 20 06:29:55 nano, rsa, lighttpd, ez-ipupdate, and two others weren't installed Apr 20 06:30:24 I made the topic! Apr 20 06:30:26 then I ssh'd into the emulator and added an additional hard drive.... Apr 20 06:30:26 Kickass! Apr 20 06:30:57 ~topic Apr 20 06:30:59 mount /dev/hdb /media/internal Apr 20 06:31:12 fffffffffff Apr 20 06:31:40 So, has anyone else had the PreWare problem when switching themes? Which is to say, it doesn't work. Apr 20 06:31:42 and then rebooted to the emulator in a reboot cycle Apr 20 06:33:38 I personally have not, Mike. I haven't tried it though. Apr 20 06:35:46 Now I'm stuck on a theme that isn't so great. Apr 20 06:58:57 DrewPre: ping Apr 20 06:59:17 am here Apr 20 06:59:19 hello Apr 20 06:59:54 DrewPre: do you have a command line where you can type "ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org" ? Apr 20 07:01:38 yes Apr 20 07:01:48 at the git bash command line Apr 20 07:02:07 do that, and put the log at webos.pastebin.com Apr 20 07:04:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/XyKAmYDL Apr 20 07:06:23 DrewPre: your private key needs to be in one of the places listed on line 6,7,8 Apr 20 07:07:18 probably id_rsa or id_dsa Apr 20 07:07:41 id_rsa based on the public key that I have for you Apr 20 07:10:12 you know now that I see that.... it's looking for id_rsa my keys are named... tntservices_key.pub and tntservices_key Apr 20 07:10:19 Here is the new output Apr 20 07:10:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/qCVDT7a0 Apr 20 07:12:47 DrewPre: that is successful - you should be able to git clone now Apr 20 07:13:21 it's cloning right now Apr 20 07:13:24 Thank you! Apr 20 07:13:54 DrewPre: make sure you only modify under the nonworking area until we review the submission, then we will move it to testing and deploy it to the testing feed Apr 20 07:14:13 DrewPre: once alpha testing is successful, it will go to the public feed by moving it under optware Apr 20 07:15:55 Okay, do you just want the Makefile, or the php-fcgi ipk's that I linked to in that email I sent ya? Apr 20 07:20:08 `eval ssh-agent` ssh-add usually work Apr 20 07:20:57 DrewPre: just the Makefile, assuming it will build the ipks Apr 20 07:23:50 DrewPre: git clone, git add, git commit, git push Apr 20 07:26:49 adding comments now Apr 20 07:28:42 Okay, looks like it worked... Apr 20 07:28:42 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=nonworking/php-fcgi;h=482970a17beb63cb95f409594c40e8320c217b2a;hb=HEAD Apr 20 07:30:39 for the record, I used the lighttpd Makefile as a template to create this one. Apr 20 07:31:30 DrewPre: in the build target, you need to adjust for what files you want to keep from the optware ipkg Apr 20 07:31:38 lines 25 onwards Apr 20 07:41:23 I don't understand what you mean, 'keep from the optware ipkg'? Do the suffix's those lines [the parts after the {app_id}, need to be adjusted to the installation locations of the various php-fcgi files? Apr 20 07:42:25 DrewPre: have you tested that Makefile? Apr 20 07:43:23 I don't know how... Apr 20 07:44:02 {blushing} I have no clue what a make file is....I just tried to model it after the lighttpd file. Apr 20 07:44:32 ah, ok. when you said you had something to commit I assumed it was working. so let's reset our expectations here :) Apr 20 07:44:35 wow Apr 20 07:44:58 I knew, I could amaze the room with my cluelessness! HA! Apr 20 07:45:16 DrewPre: you're doing this on a Ubuntu Linux OS, right? Apr 20 07:45:23 ummm, no Apr 20 07:45:27 WinXP Apr 20 07:46:05 remember i haev an emulator, so i have it's version of linux Apr 20 07:46:26 ok, you're going to need Ubuntu Linux or MacOSX to do this Apr 20 07:46:57 ugggh, I'll have to setup a VM then Apr 20 07:47:18 this won't work in the Emulator? Apr 20 07:48:08 no Apr 20 07:48:22 use the WIDK page to help set up a VM Apr 20 07:48:55 downloading ubuntu now Apr 20 07:49:02 just 3 hrs to go...lol Apr 20 07:49:35 you only need ubuntu server 9.10 Apr 20 07:49:44 don't install the desktop - it's overkill Apr 20 07:50:07 ubuntu *server* is all you need for building and packaging Apr 20 07:50:29 okay Apr 20 07:54:34 is all of those options [server-v- workstation] all included in the same distro? Apr 20 07:55:22 I went to the ubuntu website and just clicked the big red download button. Doesn't say if it's server or workstation. I am guessing that option will be presented during setup. Apr 20 07:57:14 no, it's a separate download I think Apr 20 08:04:10 okay, had to reboot my router.... getting the server edition, now. Apr 20 08:35:25 DrewPre: I sed this image http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/#ubuntu9.10 the download is only 240MB Apr 20 08:35:57 yeah, server download is small Apr 20 08:36:21 s/sed/used/ Apr 20 08:36:21 hape_ meant: DrewPre: I used this image http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/#ubuntu9.10 the download is only 240MB Apr 20 08:36:50 gotcha Apr 20 08:37:33 that's awesome...is that how you correct historical msgs??? Apr 20 08:37:47 Taht's badass! Apr 20 08:38:49 s/Taht/That Apr 20 08:38:52 wiht this image you can use the step by step guide from the wiki. The unly problem I get is that the mnake stage fails to build evas. I do not know if that is depandednt on the image or if it is a bug in the TC. But theWIPDK ist working without problems if you do not need it. Apr 20 08:39:33 DrewPre: Same error that I did in the first try. You missed the lase / Apr 20 08:39:46 s/lase/last/ Apr 20 08:39:46 hape_ meant: DrewPre: Same error that I did in the first try. You missed the last / Apr 20 08:39:50 s/Taht/That/ Apr 20 08:39:51 DrewPre meant: s/That/That Apr 20 08:40:07 it only works for your last post :-) Apr 20 08:40:09 s/Taht's/That's/ Apr 20 08:40:15 hahaha Apr 20 08:40:27 kewwwwllll!!! Apr 20 08:40:36 s/kewwwwllll!!!/COOOOL!!!/ Apr 20 08:40:36 DrewPre meant: COOOOL!!! Apr 20 08:40:39 hape_: that's likely to just be a problem in the evas package build Apr 20 08:40:46 ifnobot is a nice guy ;-) Apr 20 08:40:55 ogs Apr 20 08:40:59 ~logs Apr 20 08:41:00 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily Apr 20 08:41:03 ~botsnack Apr 20 08:41:03 rwhitby: aw, gee Apr 20 08:41:06 for example Apr 20 08:43:52 So if I wanted to say that Microsoft Windows kicks Ubuntu's ass, and not have go on record against me, i just have to lead it off with a space!?!??? Apr 20 08:44:27 for that bot, yes. For nslu2-log, no. Apr 20 08:44:42 see the end of http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Apr 20 08:46:03 Ut, Oh! Apr 20 08:46:46 s/Ut, Oh!/I'm screwed!!!/ Apr 20 08:46:46 DrewPre meant: I'm screwed!!! Apr 20 08:48:11 FTR, whenever you start a sentence with 'The unly problem I get is that ...." I get nervous and tend to think... I'm screwed and will go with the safe(r) route Apr 20 09:25:53 * rwhitby starts work on org.webosinternals.govnah service Apr 20 11:11:03 rwhitby & WebOSInternals crew: Got a question about Preware :) Apr 20 11:11:51 Is Preware capable of installing IPKs or .patch files provided locally by the user? Or linked to via URL? Apr 20 11:12:43 It's annoying having to use WOSQI to install freshly baked patches (or patches that do not meet the criteria to be allowed in the Preware feed) Apr 20 11:47:16 SqyArc: it would let you get terminal installed so you could call ipkg yourself Apr 20 11:55:37 sbromwich: if its so annoying design a system that can work with user submitted patches Apr 20 11:58:29 * Lumiere tries to figure out where the rest of PuffTheMagic's conversation is Apr 20 11:58:51 that was for SqyArc Apr 20 11:58:54 that was tab fail Apr 20 12:03:18 PuffTheMagic: so I'm writing the govnah service. what does it need. it currently has the ability to get /proc/cpuinfo, available governors, get/set scaling min/cur/max freq Apr 20 12:04:04 hey EvanDotPro Apr 20 12:04:47 i would say skip the cpuinfo Apr 20 12:04:53 and just to do cpufreq stuff in sysfs Apr 20 12:05:28 so as long as it cat view/set governor, freqs, thresholds Apr 20 12:05:55 thresholds for ondemand Apr 20 12:06:18 they should all be subscribable Apr 20 12:06:31 so that changes are reflected in the gui instantly Apr 20 12:06:35 with out polling Apr 20 12:07:01 that can be v2 Apr 20 12:07:03 u can use palms built in subscription stuff for this so it will be really easy Apr 20 12:07:19 well if u dont mind help i can help Apr 20 12:07:44 making them a subscription is all of adding 1 line to the service calls basically Apr 20 12:08:05 the LSProcessSubscription Apr 20 12:08:10 or what ever that call is Apr 20 12:08:18 automatically looks for subsctibe:true Apr 20 12:08:41 and if its there it references the message and adds it to the pool subscribers Apr 20 12:08:49 then in the actually method that responds Apr 20 12:09:00 u use LSSubscriptionReply or what ever the method is Apr 20 12:09:09 and it will send them message to everyone in the pool Apr 20 12:09:28 very simple changes Apr 20 12:10:59 rwhitby: u gonna add the inotify stuff in this version? Apr 20 12:12:17 PuffTheMagic: I was asking if Preware is, or is likely to be, capable of installing locally provided packages. Just telling me to go and code my own software isn't too helpful. Apr 20 12:12:35 Lumiere: That's true, that could work Apr 20 12:12:47 SqyArc: at the moment, that's not in the plans for Preware Apr 20 12:13:03 rwhitby: okay, thanks Apr 20 12:13:25 rwhitby: so i could spare soem time this week to help hack fi u want Apr 20 12:14:03 PuffTheMagic: ok, I'll code up v1 tonight, and you can make it subscribeable after that :) Apr 20 12:14:14 and add inotify Apr 20 12:14:30 I just want to get something quick out now so that oil can use it for an initial UI Apr 20 12:14:31 well idk bout inotify yet Apr 20 12:14:44 but the subscription stuff is like 2 min of work Apr 20 12:20:46 rwhitby: hey Apr 20 12:24:06 EvanDotPro: you still interested in doing the website/ Apr 20 12:24:49 rwhitby: yeah, absolutely. just need to be bugged about it or something so i know people really want me to work on it :-p Apr 20 12:27:53 rwhitby: i was thinking the first steps i'd take would be to mass-edit all the webos assets to have a different hue or something, but i don't know photoshop/gimp well enough to pull that off... but once i had that, i could start on a css/js mock interface framework to build a real browsable interface, but make it degrade gracefully for search engines, etc. Apr 20 12:31:15 EvanDotPro: well, we're going to do a preware 1.0 release sometime soon, and it will have it's own stand-alone installer, and we'll want a brand new website to go with it Apr 20 12:31:45 rwhitby: that's the motivation i was looking for :) Apr 20 12:34:00 EvanDotPro: I want to be able to point http://install.preware.org/ away from PreCentral and onto a section of our site. Apr 20 12:36:31 PuffTheMagic: we should get cpufreqd running Apr 20 12:36:33 rwhitby: good deal, i'll get started a little later today with a UI framework, then we'll start playing with the back end for content and running the "emulated" version of preware and such. Apr 20 12:36:53 i've done some websites Apr 20 12:36:54 rwhitby: there are a few good tools like that Apr 20 12:37:00 rwhitby: i just dont how much they interact with powerd Apr 20 12:37:09 rwhitby: you know what version of php is on the server? Apr 20 12:37:10 so i havent taken to much time to find out Apr 20 12:37:32 en0x: are you any good with batching stuff in photoshop? Apr 20 12:37:55 EvanDotPro: http://arturstudio.com/portfolio/ Apr 20 12:38:12 i have few other websites but they are not put in my portfolio yet Apr 20 12:38:17 EvanDotPro: i use gimp :P Apr 20 12:39:47 en0x: last time we talked about this, we were looking to take the webOS UI assets and mass-edit them to a different hue / shade so we can use them without worrying. Apr 20 12:40:12 i see Apr 20 12:40:34 should be easy to do just with html and css :p imho Apr 20 12:40:35 ;] Apr 20 12:41:03 en0x: but the actual files need to change. their files are copyrighted. Apr 20 12:41:22 rwhitby: did you have anything in mind for what sort of a shade to change them to? Apr 20 12:42:15 EvanDotPro: nope Apr 20 12:42:22 just not chrome Apr 20 12:45:54 rwhitby: maybe a greenish-orange look? since that's still recognizable as "webOS" Apr 20 12:48:22 EvanDotPro: we need to ask a female I think Apr 20 12:52:44 PuffTheMagic: ok, you've got until oil wakes up :) feel free to change the return JSON to be more structured and easier for oil to parse in the mojo app. Apr 20 12:52:56 PuffTheMagic: applications/govnah.git/src/... Apr 20 12:58:55 rwhitby: good point. i'll ask my girlfriend when she's out of the shower. Apr 20 12:58:56 rwhitby: What do govnah stand for? Apr 20 13:00:29 hape_: say it out load Apr 20 13:00:32 loud even Apr 20 13:00:46 in a cockney accent Apr 20 13:00:57 hape_: keep in mind rwhitby is austrailian when you're saying it. Apr 20 13:01:13 EvanDotPro: it was oil who coined it actually Apr 20 13:01:39 sorry, I dedn't get it. Apr 20 13:02:17 I see it will be a C based service. The new Preware backend? Apr 20 13:02:21 rwhitby: so far what i've got from my girlfriend (she has a pre and uses preware so she has reference to what we're doing), is that we should keep in neutral, and keep at least gray or white lol. i was like, "thanks..." Apr 20 13:03:02 hape_: governor Apr 20 13:03:35 the one who is in control, and also the technical term for cpufreq policy modules Apr 20 13:03:57 I think my english is not the best for this kind of words. Apr 20 13:04:14 hape_: yes, I doubt it will translate well. Apr 20 13:04:20 got it Apr 20 13:04:36 That what Arnold is for some place in the world ;-) Apr 20 13:04:55 yeah, we almost called it governator Apr 20 13:05:15 but then realised we'd get lots of arnie pics when googling for references to it Apr 20 13:05:18 haha Apr 20 13:06:34 ok, and it will be the new C Based Preware. Now I know what copyrited images you Talk about. The standart WebOS GUI images. Apr 20 13:06:39 Back on track, thanks Apr 20 13:07:00 rwhitby: my girlfriend says light gray and orange like palm.com. Apr 20 13:08:10 EvanDotPro: how about ochre Apr 20 13:08:52 sadly, i had to google that. Apr 20 13:10:46 rwhitby: it looks alright to me, but the girl says "that's just an ugly color, it's not appealing" lol Apr 20 13:10:57 not sure how absolute we want to make her opinion :-p Apr 20 13:12:05 i would go with gray and green Apr 20 13:12:05 how about Red Ochre: http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Oil/Old-Holland/Red-Ochre/Red-Ochre.html Apr 20 13:12:43 EvanDotPro: I personally have no colour ability, so I'm the worst person to ask Apr 20 13:13:49 http://www.sjbaker.org/humor/lightbulb_man_page.html hehehehe Apr 20 13:14:24 rwhitby: i'm the same way... i'm just a programmer. i have an on-staff designer at work so i'll ask him when i get in lol. Apr 20 13:16:17 * rwhitby bbt - night all Apr 20 13:17:00 rwhitby: nn Apr 20 14:28:40 quick q for patches: if I am patching two files, i can just combine them into one large patch file right? Apr 20 14:29:12 yes Apr 20 14:30:21 i wiped out my pdf viewer since I was getting errors with it, i transfered over the com.palm.application.pdfviewer back to /usr/var/palm and rebooted, and the PDF viewer is not showing up anymore, any ideas? Apr 20 14:33:55 isn't it supposed to be palm/applications? Apr 20 14:39:14 thiis is where all the other palm apps are located on my pre: /usr/palm/applications Apr 20 14:41:28 then I have no idea Apr 20 14:48:03 lmao I'm an idiot Apr 20 14:48:14 VincentLaw: you're an idiot! Apr 20 14:48:24 (I don't know why, just thought I'd pile on) Apr 20 14:48:36 I couldn't figure out why my patch didn't work, then I realized I had made the patch file against an already patched file (and then removed it when trying to install) Apr 20 14:50:19 long story short: when making a patch, make sure you are making it against the stock files, not patched ones. lawl Apr 20 14:52:51 VincentLaw: you could always combine the patches if you want both functionality Apr 20 14:53:09 that's what I'm doing, I just accidentally made the patch file against the already patched stuff :p Apr 20 14:53:15 aka, I'm an idiot Apr 20 14:56:09 happy april 20th Apr 20 14:58:53 PuffTheMagic: wha Apr 20 14:58:58 OH Apr 20 14:59:00 thanks Apr 20 14:59:17 ;) Apr 20 15:05:57 why is there no ebay app Apr 20 15:06:13 there is Apr 20 15:06:15 i use it Apr 20 15:06:23 AuctionMate Apr 20 15:06:33 April 20th? Apr 20 15:06:47 april 20th, or 4/20 is stoner day. Apr 20 15:06:49 420 Apr 20 15:07:13 is "420" the police radio code for "stoners in the park" or something like that? Apr 20 15:07:26 yeah Apr 20 15:07:49 i have one (prolly more than 1, but at least one) in my guild and she explained it to me... Apr 20 15:07:59 Wikipedia says "The term originated from a group of teenagers at San Rafael High School in San Rafael, California, United States in 1971.[3][4] The teens would meet after school at 4:20 p.m. to smoke marijuana at the Louis Pasteur statue." Apr 20 15:08:32 could be true, conidering my source :) Apr 20 15:08:35 considering Apr 20 15:08:50 mikewx: your "guild"? Apr 20 15:09:17 i'm addicted to evercrack. Apr 20 15:09:52 mikewx: leave your house. Go to somewhere where real girls (or boys) are. Talk to one. Apr 20 15:10:17 my gf is fine with this addiction. it leaves me on teh couch for snuggle time Apr 20 15:10:37 in fact she takes great pleasure in..um distractign me when we're raiding. Apr 20 15:10:50 and i'm working on quitting Apr 20 15:11:10 mikewx: pics/video or it didn't happen (you know your Pre has video recording, right?) Apr 20 15:11:27 i mentioned that once..... Apr 20 15:11:51 it didn't end well Apr 20 15:12:35 i fired up chatroulette in the background a week or two ago too. that ended poorly as well Apr 20 15:13:28 you have an unhealthy relationship then Apr 20 15:13:35 woman needs to know her place Apr 20 15:14:09 zsoc_wirc: her place is being completely 100% in charge of everything, duh. Apr 20 15:14:13 * mikewx whistles Apr 20 15:14:44 right, and being recorded doing anything you want Apr 20 15:15:01 Apr 20 15:16:03 does anyone know if the PDF viewer app has been updated since 1.0? Apr 20 15:18:08 * loot- sighs Apr 20 15:18:18 i believe we're all in deep shit Apr 20 15:18:19 :( Apr 20 15:18:36 loot-: what did we do? Apr 20 15:18:38 im going to be forced to convert to android if palm doesnt get their shit together with a quickness Apr 20 15:18:41 ? Apr 20 15:18:54 I got no problems with webos? Apr 20 15:18:58 nt4cats: michael abbott quitting... palm running out of money... etc Apr 20 15:19:10 * zsoc_wirc shrugs Apr 20 15:19:11 palm is collapsing before our eyes Apr 20 15:19:18 not sure how that affects my webos usage Apr 20 15:19:21 dont get me wrong Apr 20 15:19:24 I have an android phone, eh Apr 20 15:19:26 i LOVE webos compared to android Apr 20 15:19:33 but if palm doesnt exist... that wont matter Apr 20 15:19:53 palm is not going out of business Apr 20 15:19:56 I missed the news of palm's collapse Apr 20 15:20:05 well i was in the same frame of mind Apr 20 15:20:12 until i read that michael abbott is quitting Apr 20 15:20:35 when people start jumping overboard you have to start admitting to yourself that the ship is sinking Apr 20 15:20:38 :( Apr 20 15:20:53 i think webos is too good to die, whoever buys them will pick it up Apr 20 15:21:05 who said anyone will buy them? Apr 20 15:21:06 i've used android, even 2.x, it is clumsy and poorly implemented Apr 20 15:21:12 oh someone will buy them Apr 20 15:21:20 they have too much IP Apr 20 15:21:37 palm really doesnt have much IP honestly Apr 20 15:21:38 anyone who bought palm could go head to head with apple and come out witha mutual cross-patent license Apr 20 15:21:42 yes they do Apr 20 15:21:45 like what? Apr 20 15:21:46 you just don't see it anymore Apr 20 15:21:49 omap3 is not theirs Apr 20 15:21:49 :P Apr 20 15:22:01 they dont have much of anything but a linux OS which isnt their IP Apr 20 15:22:02 omap3 isn't a patent Apr 20 15:22:22 you look at things too low level Apr 20 15:22:23 IP != patent Apr 20 15:22:24 morning all Apr 20 15:22:42 loot-: why speculate? Apr 20 15:23:17 I'm so confident in palm, I just bought stock Apr 20 15:23:17 our patent/ip system is horribly broken, and palm is still quite valuable (at the very least) as a large weapon Apr 20 15:23:18 take that Apr 20 15:23:31 EvanDotPro: because i want to mentally prepare myself for the fact that within the next 6 months we might all have to find another phone to hack away at Apr 20 15:23:39 lol Apr 20 15:23:51 loot-: you're wrong Apr 20 15:23:52 zsoc_wirc: wsup my man Apr 20 15:23:53 honestly, i'm so bloody sick of smartphones this may be my last Apr 20 15:23:59 now stop doomsaying Apr 20 15:24:06 i want to go back to pda+phone model. it _worked_ better Apr 20 15:24:25 theres nothing wrong with smartphones Apr 20 15:24:28 atlanta: nm, just chillin with these doomsayers Apr 20 15:24:31 a phone with bt teathering and a pda that can use it when necessary Apr 20 15:25:04 zsoc_wirc: ok you keep being the eternal optimist but when the ship sinks are you going down with it or will you finally open your eyes and become a realist? :P Apr 20 15:25:09 i can upgrade the pda at the drop of a hat without caring about contracts or services, and the phone can go back to being a commodity piece of hardware no one cares about Apr 20 15:25:24 loot-: I already went down with it once. And I'm here. Apr 20 15:25:39 im an old school palm user too Apr 20 15:25:49 you guys keep looking at this like im the enemy for stating the obvious Apr 20 15:25:50 heh Apr 20 15:25:55 take your blinders off Apr 20 15:26:15 The Wheel of Time has neither beginnings nor endings. Apr 20 15:26:33 loot-: you need pills man. palm is doing fine. if they go under, it's sad, but it's fine too. webos will continue developer from whoever buys it. or hopefully another platform will stop sucking Apr 20 15:26:39 mikewx: nice one Apr 20 15:26:48 lol Apr 20 15:27:07 I don't understand the purpose of the 'omg we're all screwed' talk Apr 20 15:27:11 me either Apr 20 15:27:13 made my first patch Apr 20 15:27:14 yayyy Apr 20 15:27:20 grats Apr 20 15:27:21 especially since the vast majority of us aren't employed by palm Apr 20 15:27:36 and the ones that are have enough credentials to get a job elsewhere Apr 20 15:27:40 trying to make a patch for youtube to play when not in view Apr 20 15:27:41 brb Apr 20 15:27:44 loot-: you really need to "mentally prepare yourself"? that seems a little silly. Apr 20 15:27:47 atlanta: way to be useful. what's it do? Apr 20 15:27:58 how much blood sweat and tears have you put into webos Apr 20 15:28:05 zsoc_wirc: the one i just uploaded is to remove the reticle Apr 20 15:28:11 atlanta: ah, that might end bad lol Apr 20 15:28:14 the ripple effect when you tap the screen Apr 20 15:28:32 zsoc_wirc: what the youtube one ? Apr 20 15:28:32 i need to prepare myself mainly because i'll have to start using an inferior OS if and when palm collapses Apr 20 15:29:01 just wait until it happens Apr 20 15:29:03 loot-: deal with that _if_ it happens. Apr 20 15:29:08 then you'll always be happy when it doesn't Apr 20 15:29:09 atlanta: getting it to play in the bg Apr 20 15:29:48 prepare like anything else, have copies of yoru data locally, on the pre it's stored 'in the cloud' make sure google owns it and the rest of your soul, and keep it away from the Palm profile Apr 20 15:29:56 loot-: that's like looking for another girlfriend because you're assuming your current one is going to cheat on you, even though she hasn't yet... just enjoy the time you do have, even if you think something bad is imminent. Apr 20 15:30:05 uh Apr 20 15:30:06 no Apr 20 15:30:10 and if palm suddenly was removed from the earth tomorrow, it's not like your pre would instantly melt in your hand and become useless Apr 20 15:30:10 its more like if palm was my gf Apr 20 15:30:20 i caught her shopping around on adultfriendfinder.com Apr 20 15:30:26 loot-: lol Apr 20 15:30:36 i love analogies sometimes. Apr 20 15:30:40 loot-: as long as she was in the wwm section you'd be fine Apr 20 15:30:47 mikewx: haha Apr 20 15:30:47 loot-: so stop complaining :) Apr 20 15:32:18 im less worried about the devices and more worried about the future of webos because its the best OS out there currently... and if palm dies it is entirely possible that nobody will buy it and the project will die because android is already crushing it in number of units running it even if its absolutely garbage in comparison Apr 20 15:33:20 i guess... im just suddenly becoming worried with the news of department heads jumping ship because its becoming all too real now Apr 20 15:33:28 welcome to technology. sometimes (often) superior products get crushed. it's not new, and you can't personally do anything to prevent it. worrying constantly will do nothing but give you ulsers and piss off your friends. Apr 20 15:33:44 worrying constantly? Apr 20 15:34:00 or bitching constantly :) Apr 20 15:34:00 the extent of my worry ends when i detach from irssi :P Apr 20 15:34:06 * loot- sighs Apr 20 15:35:04 * loot- puts all of your blinders back on and stops sharing concerns with anyone in here because they are totally complacent being apathetic Apr 20 15:35:28 anyway, palm's still here. and i'm sure they'll continue on probably as a division of some larger company. if we're all lucky we'll get pre3plusses next year Apr 20 15:36:00 loot-: have you talked to him personally? maybe he has friends at twitter? maybe he's looking for something new? Apr 20 15:36:29 preoccupied: ping Apr 20 15:37:37 loot-: not complacent or apathetic, simply enjoying the platform we have and doing everything we can to make it the best it can be for everyone. I cannot officially speak for others here, but I tend not to expend energy on things that I can't control (and I think others in here do the same) Apr 20 15:38:04 well put nt4cats Apr 20 15:38:17 deer in the head lights... Apr 20 15:38:29 well he's the mature one lol Apr 20 15:38:34 loot-: you live in the US? Apr 20 15:38:38 ok, seriously, enough about it please. Apr 20 15:38:52 yes enough of people bashing me for voicing concerns Apr 20 15:39:26 Some wise men taught me the following: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference." I'm not bashing you. Apr 20 15:39:38 lol i was just going to tell you, you might want to trade all your cash for gold because hyper-inflation is coming just as sure as palm failing and webos dying. ok i'm really done now, lol. Apr 20 15:39:58 EvanDotPro: enough please Apr 20 15:40:08 * nt4cats returns to coding map/reduce jobs Apr 20 15:40:17 zsoc_wirc: i know, i know :) Apr 20 15:40:40 nt4cats: just don't reduce your own job ;) Apr 20 15:42:22 nt4cats: I told myself I'd never do it. I'm reading a python book. Apr 20 15:42:47 burn the heretic! Apr 20 15:42:50 zsoc_wirc: python is a neat language Apr 20 15:43:05 zsoc_wirc: I've been doing Python for the past year, it is a fine language. Not my favorite ever, but it certainly has some useful constructs Apr 20 15:43:26 nt4cats: what is your favorite one? Apr 20 15:44:21 dthought: list comprehension is nice, for example -- and by exchanging the '[]' for '()' you get deferred execution via generator, that is pretty awesome Apr 20 15:44:32 zsoc_wirc: hey, zsoc how's it going? Apr 20 15:44:37 nt4cats: yeah! :-) Apr 20 15:45:04 * nt4cats thinks dthought was just testing to see if I was repeating someone else's opinion of Python or stating my own ... Apr 20 15:45:52 dthought: It is pretty incredible all of the things you can do with decorators/annotations -- also pretty scary. Apr 20 15:46:37 dthought: I still think that the dynamic/weak typing is a problem. Maybe I'm just too stuck in my old ways. Apr 20 15:47:52 i havn't yet used the decorators/annotation really yet... Apr 20 15:48:15 and weak typing is the thing i hate, too Apr 20 15:48:25 dthought: I've used them mostly for dependcy injection using the turbot library Apr 20 15:48:42 too often a program crashes, cause i misstyped a function or attribute... Apr 20 15:50:15 preoccupied: I'm curious if you've been experiencing more wakeup luna crashes since precorder installation Apr 20 16:00:05 zsoc_wirc: well i found the pause function when the card goes inactive but in the updated one its calling something called metascene-videos Apr 20 16:00:31 atlanta: but there's a _lot_ going on behind the scenes in mediaserver Apr 20 16:00:46 disabling that call will probably cause something to fall off the edge Apr 20 16:01:21 gotcha ill test it out because from the looks of how they had it setup it just paused the video when you went into card view Apr 20 16:01:35 im not talking about playing in the background background Apr 20 16:01:45 just keep playing when you wanna go to another app Apr 20 16:06:52 right, on minimize Apr 20 16:07:07 it'll likely break something is all I'm saying. but go for it Apr 20 16:11:31 oh. I like the way python handles long strings Apr 20 16:12:55 zsoc_wirc: how does it handle them? Apr 20 16:13:12 So, still having this problem with Preware. I can't uninstall or switch themes. Apr 20 16:13:32 Anyone around that can help me troubleshoot? Apr 20 16:14:56 dthought: with magic Apr 20 16:15:20 MikeHoncho: egaudet is your guy. I think the new version of preware allows emailing ipklogs tho Apr 20 16:15:28 zsoc_wirc: :-p Apr 20 16:22:10 zsoc_wirc: Cool, I'll keep a lookout for him. Apr 20 16:22:34 or if you can get me an ipkg log Apr 20 16:22:46 MikeHoncho: did you try uninstalling your current theme? Apr 20 16:23:20 newest preware version has ipkglog email option :) Apr 20 16:23:48 though the styling doesn't make it through gmail, ill have to fix that Apr 20 16:23:52 but it generally works Apr 20 16:28:11 http://i41.tinypic.com/2s0oio5.png Apr 20 16:28:13 :) Apr 20 16:29:22 * nt4cats sighs, there goes oil again pretending he knows something about Preware ... Apr 20 16:29:40 * oilsworkn should stop doing that Apr 20 16:29:48 * oilsworkn might get roped into doing something about it Apr 20 16:33:58 zsoc_wirc: how do I uninstall the theme? I'd be glad to do that. Apr 20 16:34:24 I can e-mail you the ipkg log as well. Apr 20 16:35:01 :D Apr 20 16:49:02 chrome address bar looks weird without http:// Apr 20 16:49:47 oilsworkn: Do you know how to uninstall a theme? Apr 20 16:50:03 like any other package? Apr 20 16:50:18 * oilsworkn has never installed a theme Apr 20 16:50:23 but im sure its pretty standard Apr 20 16:50:34 phil_bw ping Apr 20 16:50:43 preware > installed > themes > click package > click remove Apr 20 16:50:46 bah not here Apr 20 16:51:07 Thanks. Apr 20 16:57:12 geist: are you available? Apr 20 17:01:21 GRRRRRRRRRr i need to learn C Apr 20 17:01:53 oh? Apr 20 17:02:11 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2393518#post2393518 Rotated Battery Icon & Percentage Patch now in beta, looking for feedback! Apr 20 17:03:58 geist: as you do some kernel development at Palm you maybe could give me some tipps with the data arriving on the /dev/touchscreen port? Apr 20 17:04:38 oilsworkn: what you up to ? Apr 20 17:07:11 atlanta: not learnin c, thats for sure :) Apr 20 17:07:19 LMFAOO eff u budyd Apr 20 17:07:21 buddy** Apr 20 17:07:28 * oilsworkn has rwhitby and PuffTheMagic to write c :) Apr 20 17:07:38 :-) Apr 20 17:07:55 i just don't get what i could use it to do i think thats my problem Apr 20 17:08:07 im going to look through the git to see if i can learn a thing or 2 Apr 20 17:08:30 what are you making? Apr 20 17:09:51 im not sure just yet i wanted to port the Virtual Keyboard to C to make it more responsive or whatever you want to call it but gotta start small Apr 20 17:10:19 good luck :) Apr 20 17:10:33 or a FREE wifi tethering program Apr 20 17:10:52 see freetetherd Apr 20 17:11:02 its opensource c service Apr 20 17:11:13 idk how much it works Apr 20 17:11:26 one of PuffTheMagics projects Apr 20 17:11:47 yea im in the git now looking at it Apr 20 17:15:54 hopefully i can find my next project Apr 20 17:55:29 zsoc|away: yeah, i haven't had any luna restarts yet. However, I'm also running the uber kernel, so I donno how that might affect it Apr 20 17:55:44 is any of sbromwich's patches in teh uber kernel? Apr 20 18:00:38 don't think so, I'm still trying to get a definitive fix going Apr 20 18:01:18 I think rwhitby might have cherrypicked a few out but he'd be the man to ask Apr 20 18:10:00 zsoc_wirc: are you getting luna resets with precorder? Apr 20 18:11:20 preoccupied: did you see me ask you that question earlier? Apr 20 18:11:38 zsoc_wirc: yeah, saw it in the logs Apr 20 18:12:20 preoccupied: yes, but I'm not testing in a usr env.. it could just be all the crap I'm doing during debug sessions Apr 20 18:12:28 so I'm wondering if you're seeing it Apr 20 18:12:45 I'm not getting restarts /during/ use, just the wakup bug Apr 20 18:13:15 zsoc_wirc: for some reason, the wakeup bug doesn't happen too often for me....about once in 3-4 days at most Apr 20 18:13:33 zsoc_wirc: and precorder hasn't changed that at all....haven't gotten one yet Apr 20 18:13:44 preoccupied: ok, so you have not seen an increase since using precorder? that was my concern Apr 20 18:13:59 I find that if the 1st time I click the power button the phone doesn't wake up, if I wait 5 seconds and then open the slider I get no crash Apr 20 18:14:00 in which case I'm pretty sure I know what my issue is lol, ok that's a good thing Apr 20 18:14:08 zsoc_wirc: nope. only other variable might be the uber kernel. Not sure what rwhitby put in... Apr 20 18:14:19 nt4cats: I've tried that, doesn't work over here Apr 20 18:14:45 preoccupied: I fixed the error handling and (i think) the 1 channel recording issue, will push tonight Apr 20 18:15:43 Anyone know where I can contact AnOutsider? Apr 20 18:16:13 zsoc_wirc: ok, sounds good Apr 20 18:16:18 will test later tonight Apr 20 19:22:55 Hi can anybody help me with the latest changes of the WIPDK. Apr 20 19:23:32 hape_: tell us the details of your problem and if someone here knows the answer we'll help you for sure Apr 20 19:23:49 I recreated it from scratch. After the last make stage Apr 20 19:24:10 I switched to my /packages/nonworking/espeak as usual Apr 20 19:24:19 and tried make stage there Apr 20 19:24:25 I only got this errror Apr 20 19:24:41 notroot@ubuntu:/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/nonworking/espeak$ make stage Apr 20 19:24:44 hape_: yeah Apr 20 19:24:45 Makefile:25: ../../support/staging.mk: No such file or directory Apr 20 19:24:47 Makefile:27: ../../support/cross-compile.mk: No such file or directory Apr 20 19:24:49 there's a small typo Apr 20 19:24:49 make: *** No rule to make target `../../support/cross-compile.mk'. Stop. Apr 20 19:24:55 in the top level make file Apr 20 19:25:04 I forgot to push the fix last night Apr 20 19:25:14 zsoc_wirc: I wanted to tell him and pretend that I fixed it Apr 20 19:25:15 :( Apr 20 19:25:20 nt4cats: crap! Apr 20 19:25:31 strike it from the record Apr 20 19:25:35 I'll edit the logs Apr 20 19:25:50 zsoc_wirc: lol. Hoped that you are there and that it was a problem of the restructuring :-) Apr 20 19:25:54 nt4cats: well tell him what to fix lol Apr 20 19:26:37 hape_: all by myself with no help from zsoc, I figured out last night ... Apr 20 19:26:43 hape_: edit your top level makefile Apr 20 19:26:45 I recreated it to check that our changes for espeak and navit was right Apr 20 19:27:03 nt4cats: I'm linstening Apr 20 19:27:05 hape_: find the "stage" rule (the line starts with "stage:") Apr 20 19:27:30 hape_: move the '#" mark from before staging-armv7 to after it Apr 20 19:27:39 before: rootfs # staging-armv7 Apr 20 19:27:45 after: rootfs staging-armv7 # Apr 20 19:28:21 it should be line 28 of the file Apr 20 19:29:10 save that, then do a 'make stage'. Apr 20 19:29:15 then you should be all good Apr 20 19:29:45 hape_: if you didn't figure it out, I had the same problem you did last night and zsoc fixed it for me :) Apr 20 19:30:47 sorry, still the same error Apr 20 19:31:05 hape_: do you have a cross-compile/staging folder? Apr 20 19:31:24 no, I have not Apr 20 19:31:38 can you paste line 28 of your top level Makefile Apr 20 19:32:02 stage: toolchain rootfs staging-armv7 # staging-armv6 staging-i686 Apr 20 19:32:17 try removing the # entirely and make stage again Apr 20 19:32:29 I'm assuming you're making an arch other than arm7 Apr 20 19:32:48 no, only planed for the Pre Apr 20 19:33:29 hape_: hmm.. in your nonworking/espeak, your ../../'s should be ../../../'s Apr 20 19:33:49 (i haven't globablly sedded nonworking yet) Apr 20 19:34:25 last night I mod'd Makefile and then did "make stage", then I was fixed (I just checked my command history) Apr 20 19:35:14 nt4cats: he's working with a package in nonworking/, so the deps and paths are wrong Apr 20 19:35:22 zsoc_wirc: you was right Apr 20 19:36:38 hape_: yes I know. I was the one who broke I ;) hee Apr 20 19:36:39 hehe Apr 20 19:36:51 as long as it works now. I'll get to nonworking/ tonight I think Apr 20 19:43:02 I will fix it for espeak now Apr 20 19:44:34 hape_: thank you, and please push so there's no fast-forward issues :> Apr 20 19:44:53 zsoc_wirc: Good small chnage to get my hands on git Apr 20 19:45:01 :D Apr 20 19:46:19 is anyone running uImage.141-6.12.rebelscum ? Apr 20 19:49:51 star wars themed kernels ? Apr 20 19:52:27 bpadalinlino|work: It probably boots up and says "I've got a bad feeling about this ...." Apr 20 19:52:30 do the pre kernels have tcp tuning stuff like vegas or whatever Apr 20 19:52:37 bpadalino|work: why not? Apr 20 19:52:59 http://fasterdata.es.net/TCP-tuning/linux.html Apr 20 19:53:13 joshua: I compiled them all for testing Apr 20 19:53:15 westwood optimized for lossy networks Apr 20 20:00:12 do I need to do anything after 'git commit' ? Apr 20 20:00:32 git log tells me my last change but the web UI of git dose not Apr 20 20:01:12 hape_: git push Apr 20 20:01:29 commit edits your local log only Apr 20 20:02:15 that it, now that are in. Only a funny mane of my vmware .... Apr 20 20:03:24 suggestions for star wars inspired name for next kernel? Apr 20 20:03:48 death star Apr 20 20:03:55 sbromwich: thanks for you hint yesterday. That was the settings db that I was searching for Apr 20 20:04:01 done. Apr 20 20:04:05 np hape_ :-) Apr 20 20:04:09 haha excellent Apr 20 20:04:18 sbromwich: would you be interested in the hardened kernel stuff ive been doing? Apr 20 20:04:51 im going to send rwhitby my public key today so i can start committing to the git Apr 20 20:05:17 i had to backport the modern grsec/pax to 2.6.24 Apr 20 20:05:51 loot-: yes, but my current plan is to get this out for testing to see if it fixes the hang bug, then it's going to be committed and I move on to my next step in world domination Apr 20 20:06:04 s/world domination/implementing -rt/ Apr 20 20:06:04 sbromwich meant: loot-: yes, but my current plan is to get this out for testing to see if it fixes the hang bug, then it's going to be committed and I move on to my next step in implementing -rt Apr 20 20:06:12 well you might not want to incorporate my patches into yours Apr 20 20:06:20 only because mine stab performance a little bit Apr 20 20:06:27 and yours im sure are 100% focused on speed improvements and such Apr 20 20:06:55 might be cool to do though Apr 20 20:07:09 i dont see any conflict with uber kernel and my stuff Apr 20 20:07:27 hardening is good, if I can shave off enough to boost performance it'd be worth spending some of that boost on security Apr 20 20:07:36 true Apr 20 20:07:43 are you familiar with grsec/pax? Apr 20 20:08:10 grsec yes, not so much pax Apr 20 20:08:25 ah, pax is the main nx patch basically Apr 20 20:08:30 grsec uses pax Apr 20 20:08:33 but they can be separated Apr 20 20:08:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grsecurity Apr 20 20:08:48 if it's the one I'm thinking of I had grsec set up for capability limiting on a testbed web server that was pretty much unbreakable Apr 20 20:08:48 good overview Apr 20 20:09:38 hmmmm... I don't think it's what I was working on then Apr 20 20:09:56 it has a ton of excellent kernel hardening features Apr 20 20:10:07 I remember some kernel module I hacked on to do specific capability limiting for the web server but it was a while ago now, I'm sure things are a lot better now ;-) Apr 20 20:10:12 oh Apr 20 20:10:14 thats selinux Apr 20 20:10:16 which is crap Apr 20 20:10:19 not selinux Apr 20 20:10:20 HUGE amounts of overhead Apr 20 20:10:24 selinux made me wince Apr 20 20:10:27 mmm Apr 20 20:10:48 the best feature for the pre IMO Apr 20 20:10:51 will be RBAC Apr 20 20:11:02 for the average user... not so much Apr 20 20:11:27 but for someone who knows how to use it RBAC will be great and work fine with all current configurations on a stock pre even with just a new kernel and gradm userland utility Apr 20 20:11:47 you can just do learning mode Apr 20 20:11:53 yeah, I have to admit when I saw the # on my first login I was a little... surprised Apr 20 20:12:01 run all the apps you want and it'll ACL the crap out of EVERYTHING on the phone Apr 20 20:12:01 something to lock it down would be nice Apr 20 20:12:11 apparmor only ACL's a specific application at a time Apr 20 20:12:19 grsec's RBAC does the whole box Apr 20 20:12:19 I've heard rumours that something's coming down the pipeline, but as to what it is... *shrug* Apr 20 20:12:36 what sort of overhead are you looking at for that? Apr 20 20:12:40 minimal Apr 20 20:12:48 <1%? Apr 20 20:12:48 let me find Apr 20 20:12:51 there was a statistical Apr 20 20:12:52 well Apr 20 20:12:56 most of it is ya <1% Apr 20 20:13:01 but few things were ~10% Apr 20 20:13:08 hmmm Apr 20 20:13:09 selinux was 100%+ for similar stuff Apr 20 20:13:21 well I think I've definitely optimised enough away to gain 1% for sure Apr 20 20:13:26 so its a tiny stab but not enough to cry about Apr 20 20:13:39 and I've done some cleanup on the fastpath that should hopefully make up for the ~10% Apr 20 20:13:52 not if it's clocking up from 500 to 800 for it ;-) Apr 20 20:14:09 http://www.pjvenda.net/linux/doc/pax-performance/ Apr 20 20:14:12 that paper is old Apr 20 20:14:14 from 2005 Apr 20 20:14:21 so im sure the numbers are much more mild now Apr 20 20:14:30 also thats specifically for i386 Apr 20 20:14:39 but pax/grsec do fully support arm Apr 20 20:15:15 so basically Apr 20 20:15:20 interesting Apr 20 20:15:23 pageexec makes up for that 10% Apr 20 20:15:38 if you use segexec theres <1% Apr 20 20:15:44 does the omap processor have any features grsec can take advantage? I noticed they talk about how the amd has instructions to make some stuff "free" Apr 20 20:16:18 yea Apr 20 20:16:28 let me find the URL for the doc spender wrote i think Apr 20 20:16:29 sweet! Apr 20 20:16:57 | Apr 20 20:16:57 | Anyone using this system expressly consents to such monitoring | Apr 20 20:16:57 | and is advised that if such monitoring reveals possible | Apr 20 20:16:57 | evidence of criminal activity, system personnel may provide the | Apr 20 20:16:57 | evidence of such monitoring to law enforcement officials. | Apr 20 20:16:59 | | Apr 20 20:17:02 | "Let the sin begin." --Adrian | Apr 20 20:17:04 |-----------------------------------------------------------------| Apr 20 20:17:07 %[eric@www]%[1]%[~]$ !ssh Apr 20 20:17:09 ssh -2 -i loot-key loot@dirtybomb.logick.net Apr 20 20:17:12 Enter passphrase for key 'loot-key': Apr 20 20:17:14 Last login: Tue Apr 20 06:27:18 PDT 2010 from 72.233.90.50 on pts/16 Apr 20 20:17:17 +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ Apr 20 20:17:19 Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIR Apr 20 20:17:22 ( 13:13 loot- ) so its a tiny stab but not enough to cry about Apr 20 20:17:25 ( 13:13 +sbromwich ) and I've done some cleanup on the fastpath that should Apr 20 20:17:28 hopefully make up for the ~10% Apr 20 20:17:30 ( 13:13 +sbromwich ) not if it's clocking up from 500 to 800 for it ;-) Apr 20 20:17:33 ( 13:14 loot- ) http://www.pjvenda.net/linux/doc/pax-performance/ Apr 20 20:17:35 ( 13:14 loot- ) that paper is old Apr 20 20:17:38 ( 13:14 loot- ) from 2005 Apr 20 20:17:40 ( 13:14 loot- ) so im sure the numbers are much more mild now Apr 20 20:17:43 ( 13:14 loot- ) also thats specifically for i386 Apr 20 20:17:45 ( 13:14 loot- ) but pax/grsec do fully support arm Apr 20 20:17:48 ( 13:14 jbjoerk > [~phb@194.236 | Apr 20 20:17:50 | Anyone using this system expressly consents to such monitoring | Apr 20 20:17:53 | and is advised that if such monitoring reveals possible | Apr 20 20:17:55 | evidence of criminal activity, system personnel may provide the | Apr 20 20:17:58 | evidence of such monitoring to law enforcement officials. | Apr 20 20:18:00 | | Apr 20 20:18:03 | "Let the sin begin." --Adrian | Apr 20 20:18:05 |-----------------------------------------------------------------| Apr 20 20:18:08 %[eric@www]%[1]%[~]$ !ssh Apr 20 20:18:09 wtf Apr 20 20:18:11 ssh -2 -i loot-key loot@dirtybomb.logick.net Apr 20 20:18:13 Enter passphrase for key 'loot-key': Apr 20 20:18:14 oops? Apr 20 20:18:16 Last login: Tue Apr 20 06:27:18 PDT 2010 from 72.233.90.50 on pts/16 Apr 20 20:18:18 +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ Apr 20 20:18:21 Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIR Apr 20 20:18:24 ( 13:13 loot- ) so its a tiny stab but not enough to cry about Apr 20 20:18:26 ( 13:13 +sbromwich ) and I've done some cleanup on the fastpath that should Apr 20 20:18:29 hopefully make up for the ~10% Apr 20 20:18:32 ( 13:13 +sbromwich ) not if it's clocking up from 500 to 800 for it ;-) Apr 20 20:18:34 ( 13:14 loot- ) http://www.pjvenda.net/linux/doc/pax-performance/ Apr 20 20:18:37 ( 13:14 loot- ) that paper is old Apr 20 20:18:39 ( 13:14 loot- ) from 2005 Apr 20 20:18:42 ( 13:14 loot- ) so im sure the numbers are much more mild now Apr 20 20:18:44 ( 13:14 loot- ) also thats specifically for i386 Apr 20 20:18:47 ( 13:14 loot- ) but pax/grsec do fully support arm Apr 20 20:18:48 gotta be near the end of the paste by now. Apr 20 20:18:49 bah Apr 20 20:18:52 damn irssi! Apr 20 20:18:54 sorry Apr 20 20:18:56 *grin* Apr 20 20:18:57 :( Apr 20 20:18:59 With the stable patch of grsecurity released today, the PAGEEXEC, MPROTECT, and ASLR features of PaX have been implemented for the ARM architecture. Specifically, the PAGEEXEC functionality exists for v6 and v7 ARM CPUs. Our development machine for this work is the Gumstix Overo, utilizing the ARM Cortex-A8 3530 processor. The same processor type is found in the latest mobile/embedded devices, including the Apple iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre, and Motorola Droi Apr 20 20:19:01 that was amusing :-) Apr 20 20:19:06 kde4 box switch gesture keeps messing me up making me accidentally select text in the window im clicking on Apr 20 20:19:15 I almost banned you but I'm slow to op myself on wirc lol Apr 20 20:19:29 oh that's nice Apr 20 20:19:42 pretty much free for that then? Apr 20 20:20:13 i used the latest grsec Apr 20 20:20:21 oh. that's how that works Apr 20 20:20:31 it was annoying to backport Apr 20 20:21:29 *grin* Apr 20 20:21:37 -rt wasn't a huge amount of fun Apr 20 20:22:05 im about to change the button mapping on my damn mouse so it wont paste like that anymore Apr 20 20:22:08 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 20 20:11:47 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown Apr 20 20:22:08 so freaking annoying Apr 20 20:22:12 thats the 2nd time ive done that Apr 20 20:22:14 deathstar is booting... Apr 20 20:22:21 haha excellent Apr 20 20:23:51 tum tum tum tumpty tum... Apr 20 20:24:06 cam++ Apr 20 20:25:06 youtube++ Apr 20 20:25:08 hmm i suppose i could enable the paste protection in irssi Apr 20 20:25:12 rather than changing my button mapping Apr 20 20:25:53 mp3++ Apr 20 20:26:07 I think deathstar is a winnah Apr 20 20:27:09 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-6.13-deathstar Apr 20 20:27:27 i chose that name after the super massive black hole NASA found in 07 Apr 20 20:27:28 hehe Apr 20 20:27:40 temp++ too Apr 20 20:27:55 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/07-139.html Apr 20 20:28:27 Has there been any update to Apr 20 20:28:31 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config-141-6.13-deathstar Apr 20 20:28:34 sbromwich, what is the temp now? Apr 20 20:28:36 Flash player on the pre Apr 20 20:28:38 27 Apr 20 20:28:54 for now the boy insists on being fed, so I must away Apr 20 20:28:56 laters Apr 20 20:28:58 what about raw? Apr 20 20:29:04 laters sbromwich Apr 20 20:29:22 "But I'm STARVING dad!" Apr 20 20:29:26 50 Apr 20 20:29:38 thats 3 people that it works for. Apr 20 20:29:39 good. Apr 20 20:30:13 off to looking into CPU freq monitoring. Apr 20 20:36:58 alguien habbla español Apr 20 20:40:38 palm dev days full schedule is up: http://host.regsvc.com/palm/e2/agenda.pdf Apr 20 20:40:53 jacques we know Apr 20 20:40:54 it looks good - especially saturday Apr 20 20:41:07 hmmm Apr 20 20:41:30 wonder when we get the goodie bags since swisstomcat won't be there friday Apr 20 20:41:46 tho as always, there are two things I want to attend at same time Apr 20 20:41:55 which two things? Apr 20 20:43:32 PDK hybrid apps and "webos internals" (not about us) Apr 20 20:43:39 I will go to PDK one Apr 20 20:43:57 I'm debating which one for that Apr 20 20:44:27 I wish the webos internals one was about our project Apr 20 20:44:30 track 2 is more relevant to what I'm doing, but track 1 just seems cool for that event Apr 20 20:44:46 maybe they'll have lightning talks and I can give our presentation :-) Apr 20 20:44:52 ha Apr 20 20:44:55 maybe Apr 20 20:46:04 I'm going to Effective JS on webOS over intro to webOS though Apr 20 20:46:37 that actually looks like a very thorough and action packed couple of days .. Apr 20 20:46:40 lots of good stuff to cover Apr 20 20:46:45 also have to decide between Advanced webOS and rockstar graphics Apr 20 20:46:49 i just hope they have enough time to cover all the questions that get brought up Apr 20 20:46:49 bpadalino|work, I agree Apr 20 20:46:51 bpadalino|work you going to be there Apr 20 20:46:52 ? Apr 20 20:46:54 not at all Apr 20 20:47:07 psha, fail Apr 20 20:47:14 yeah, i am terrible Apr 20 20:47:18 I know Apr 20 20:47:24 i'm a nobody anyway .. it doesn't matter Apr 20 20:47:34 on friday i do plan on seeing Brian Kernighan tho .. Apr 20 20:47:37 true, but still Apr 20 20:47:43 he's coming around to talk about technology and whatnot Apr 20 20:48:38 nice Apr 20 21:22:17 Hi all, I seem to have lost my PDF viewer, I used WOS Repair to replace all the pdfviewer files to /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.pdfviewer, but the pdf view launcher will not re-appear, I thought that as long as the directory was scanned, the launcher icon would re-appear, but I guess I was wrong Apr 20 21:27:32 you've obviously rebooted since replacing the files ? Apr 20 21:33:30 yes, did a luna restart, and a full power off and on...and still nothing... Apr 20 21:34:27 are you sure the files are in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.pdfviewer ? Apr 20 21:37:03 i even verified the checksums by doing this: cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.app.pdfviewer.md5sums > /tmp/md5sums Apr 20 21:37:08 md5sum -c /tmp/md5sums Apr 20 21:37:14 and all 62 files checked out OK Apr 20 21:38:17 you sure it doesn't show up somewhere and you're just overlooking it ? Apr 20 21:38:46 Is Palm still hiring? Apr 20 21:38:54 quotemstr: yep Apr 20 21:39:08 Yay. Apr 20 21:39:10 * quotemstr applies. Apr 20 21:39:16 n8 Apr 20 21:39:31 http://www.palm.com/us/company/careers.html Apr 20 21:39:49 Hopefully I'll get past the HR screen. Apr 20 21:41:18 i am doing a universal search for PDF, and only thing that come sup is the PDF app that creates a PDF from a website Apr 20 21:41:47 Tibfib: Thanks. Found one that precisely matches what I do. :-) Apr 20 21:41:57 quotemstr: let us know what happens! Apr 20 21:42:08 Heh, you guys really want to hear? :) Apr 20 21:42:15 mikePre: sorry - no idea .. check out /var/log/messages for something pdf related ? Apr 20 21:42:28 quotemstr: well... only if you leak us good information Apr 20 21:42:46 (kidding) Apr 20 21:42:55 yeah, unlike SOME palm people who don't leak anything.... Apr 20 21:43:21 Sure. I'll leak all the good stuff as soon as releases are made. ;-) Apr 20 21:43:30 quotemstr: what is it you do ? Apr 20 21:43:41 * quotemstr looks for a place he can pastebin a PDF. Apr 20 21:44:29 bpadalino|work: Complex Javascript applications and lots of C++ work. Apr 20 21:44:35 ah, neat Apr 20 21:44:38 Lots of Lisp too, though I don't think that's particularly relevant. Apr 20 21:45:23 I really want to work for palm... Hopefully they are still around by the time i'm ready to apply for jobs Apr 20 21:45:39 It sounds like a neat company to work for. A little doomed, but fun. Apr 20 21:45:40 yeah, same Apr 20 21:46:02 halfhalo: what are you majoring in? Apr 20 21:46:12 compsci Apr 20 21:46:16 Tip for others: never found a company, work for a year, then scramble to find a real job when you're not able to get operating funding. Apr 20 21:46:18 west coast just isn't for me Apr 20 21:46:30 socal ftw Apr 20 21:46:47 while nonideal for most, i seem to like rochester, ny Apr 20 21:46:52 * quotemstr likes his snow too much to prefer socal. Apr 20 21:46:56 bpadalino|work: Woo, WNY! Buffalo here. Apr 20 21:47:09 neat Apr 20 21:47:17 bpadalino|work: You guys have the second best food in the region. :-) Apr 20 21:47:27 are you a fan of the plate ? Apr 20 21:47:48 Sure, but you still can't beat the wings from the Lafayette Tap Room in Buffalo. Apr 20 21:48:06 Best possible edible substance in the world, really. :) Apr 20 21:48:12 sounds delicious Apr 20 21:48:18 why would you want to leave that for sunnyvale? :) Apr 20 21:48:31 maybe you can work from home Apr 20 21:48:36 lol Apr 20 21:48:59 bpadalino|work: Because attracting capital in WNY is like mining the Sahara Desert for milkshake deposits. Apr 20 21:49:13 lol Apr 20 21:49:18 12 minutes till home time Apr 20 21:49:20 sweeet Apr 20 21:49:20 i actually wonder if you can increase productivity in a company by having your team spread over multiple timezones .. Apr 20 21:49:32 maybe 2 or 3 engineers working on the same project at each location .. Apr 20 21:49:42 separated by 3 hours or so .. Apr 20 21:49:46 bpadalino|work: That's what my current organization has been doing; we have people in San Francisco, Washington D.C., and me in Buffalo. The costs far outstrip the benefits, IMHO. Apr 20 21:49:55 morning Apr 20 21:49:55 wow, really ? Apr 20 21:49:56 interesting Apr 20 21:50:02 morning rwhitby Apr 20 21:50:25 bpadalino|work: Of course, the dynamics might be different in a group larger than half a dozen people, and when you get paid in cash instead of equity. Apr 20 21:51:08 bpadalino|work: I'm old-fashioned. I like the idea of being in the same physical location as my colleagues. Apr 20 21:51:32 quotemstr: i actually prefer that as well .. which is why i thought about maybe 3 people in the same location .. Apr 20 21:51:52 i also think i work better when i am accountable for stuff to a person face-to-face Apr 20 21:52:03 bpadalino|work: Right; it might be different in a larger group. Apr 20 21:52:50 indeed .. well, good luck with your palm application! Apr 20 21:53:36 Thanks. Resume is at http://www.scribd.com/doc/30254312/Resume if you're interested. :) Apr 20 21:53:47 sure, i'll check it out now Apr 20 21:54:34 6 minutes! Apr 20 21:55:12 quotemstr: nice resume .. i am sure it will get some attention Apr 20 21:55:18 Danke. Apr 20 21:55:21 good luck! i've got to go talk to coworkers before going home Apr 20 21:55:23 bbl Apr 20 22:05:55 wow nobody owns buttclenchers.com Apr 20 22:06:14 sorry wrong channel. hah Apr 20 22:07:04 There. It's done. Apr 20 22:23:46 phew Apr 20 22:24:27 joshua: are you serious? did you just register it? Apr 20 22:24:40 what now in the what what? Apr 20 22:36:42 ​test Apr 20 22:36:51 failed Apr 20 22:36:52 can anyone see this? Apr 20 22:36:58 nope zsoc Apr 20 22:37:09 does it seem.. different, to anyone? Apr 20 22:37:19 nope Apr 20 22:37:24 k Apr 20 22:37:31 besides the fact that you make sense now Apr 20 22:37:33 :p Apr 20 22:39:36 its a shame to see pockettunes_accessOS die, everything else in webos seems to be type specific, rather than multi-functional... =\ Apr 20 22:48:07 Does anyone know what the program is called to image your pre? Apr 20 22:48:42 preimage? Apr 20 22:51:22 Yes Apr 20 22:51:28 thanks just found the thread Apr 20 22:53:35 i am a genius Apr 20 22:53:44 HA Apr 20 22:53:45 no Apr 20 22:54:11 I found this http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/238616-gauging-interest-preimage.html Apr 20 22:54:28 but is the actual program released yet? I cant find it anywhere. Apr 20 22:55:23 halfhalo_T400: seriously, stop Apr 20 22:56:53 * halfhalo_T400 gives zsoc a cookie to make him feel better Apr 20 22:58:16 halfhalo_T400: seriously Apr 20 22:58:23 LOL but its not released yet. I just hope I manage to not break my pre before then Apr 20 23:00:40 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't know why everyone is mad at him and goes to sit in the corner and resetup his dev enviroment on his laptop Apr 20 23:08:52 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/242718-alpha-kernel-1-4-1-6-13-deathstar.html Apr 20 23:09:10 look upon my works, ye mighty, and snigger quietly to thyselves. Apr 20 23:11:08 sbromwich: nice warnings Apr 20 23:11:17 I do my best Apr 20 23:11:39 no-one really pays attention so I thought I would warn appropriately Apr 20 23:50:16 hape_: for the record, you need to set name and email globals for your git Apr 21 00:30:27 zsoc: how's hte progress on precorder? Apr 21 00:30:50 preoccupied: good, i'm reconfiguring some of my build environment to make future updates more automated Apr 21 00:30:58 will be testing the new binary in a bit Apr 21 00:31:05 ok, kool Apr 21 00:31:15 God, I wish I had a build enviroment Apr 21 00:31:19 preoccupied: I also have to change the name i believe Apr 21 00:31:23 halfhalo_T400: i have too many :( Apr 21 00:31:44 so those people interested in testing the uber-kernel might want to check the testing feed ... Apr 21 00:31:51 zsoc: do you know what name you're going to change it to? Apr 21 00:31:59 The one I was setting up via hypervisor on my older laptop is being wiped so my friend can use it for dev days Apr 21 00:32:03 supercorder Apr 21 00:32:18 betterthanapplecorder? Apr 21 00:32:31 rwhitby: does the uber kernel contain some of sbromwich's optimization patches? Apr 21 00:32:47 preoccupied: not yet, that's a whole different ballgame Apr 21 00:32:50 preoccupied: not the slightest clue. Apr 21 00:33:12 I really need to install preware on my pre.... but that involves finding its usb cord Apr 21 00:33:17 rwhitby: oh, ok. Haven't gotten a luna restart yet... Apr 21 00:34:01 halfhalo_T400: unless you have a terminal installed Apr 21 00:34:30 preoccupied: my stuff is far too insufficiently tested to make it past alpha yet Apr 21 00:34:36 which i don't. Dev mode is enabled, but thats it. Apr 21 00:34:52 sbromwich: Microsoft beta releases? Apr 21 00:35:09 sbromwich: lol, sounds really interesting tho. Wish I knew low level stuff like you guys Apr 21 00:35:18 uNiXpSyChO: I'm a step above that Apr 21 00:35:31 preoccupied: what OS are you running? Apr 21 00:35:34 oohhhh... almost time for a wipe Apr 21 00:35:53 debating whether to have a linux partition or not.... leaning torwards not though Apr 21 00:35:54 preoccupied: you don't want to go as low as he goes :> Apr 21 00:36:54 * halfhalo_T400 just remembered the 500GB HD he has sitting in his ultrabay Apr 21 00:38:13 sbromwich: i'm in windows 7 now, although i have ubuntu on this laptop as well Apr 21 00:38:36 preoccupied: it's a 2 liner from linux to do a one-shot boot of my kernels Apr 21 00:39:22 * halfhalo_T400 hasn't really played with linux since his old powerbook G4 bit the dust Apr 21 00:39:45 sbromwich: lol, ok. I have to reinstall the sdk in linux as well. I'm kinda waiting for the latest ubuntu to come out and redoing my whole setup Apr 21 00:40:03 And.... now dilemma time Apr 21 00:40:26 I can run linux natively, or run it in a vm in server 2008 Apr 21 00:41:57 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't know what to do.... Apr 21 00:42:10 halfhalo_T400: I say run it natively Apr 21 00:42:14 it's worth it Apr 21 00:42:37 the only thing I miss in linux is the MS office suite.....which kills openoffice Apr 21 00:42:46 I have no prob with openoffice Apr 21 00:42:47 except for the small fact that my video drivers like windows a whole lot more than linux Apr 21 00:42:58 it's not bad....it's just not as good Apr 21 00:43:10 i guess i don't have a use for office tools much Apr 21 00:43:12 openoffice works... its just not as polished as ms office Apr 21 00:43:33 yeah. I usally end up installing office in wine Apr 21 00:43:34 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2394533 Apr 21 00:43:37 which actually works pretty well Apr 21 00:43:50 and i do like offie 2010 Apr 21 00:43:55 office* Apr 21 00:46:43 halfhalo_T400: what graphics card do you use? Apr 21 00:47:07 I have both an ATI 3470 and intel x4500 in my T400 Apr 21 00:47:36 switchable gfx ftw Apr 21 00:48:00 lol Apr 21 00:48:05 oh...i have a t61p Apr 21 00:48:25 thinkpads are awsome Apr 21 00:48:33 although, i'm not too sure about hte new generation ones... Apr 21 00:49:00 halfhalo_T400: but yeah, luckily, lenovo went with nvidia Apr 21 00:49:18 what do you mean 'luckily'? Apr 21 00:49:42 umm, hte nvidia binary drivers are very stable under linux Apr 21 00:49:45 the ENTIRE 8 series and their quadro equivilants are faulty Apr 21 00:49:53 fglrx is still pretty shoddy Apr 21 00:49:58 even after open sourcing it Apr 21 00:50:17 well mine's been fine Apr 21 00:50:30 my main issue is not with ati's drivers perse, but the fact that x server doesn't like switchable graphics Apr 21 00:51:07 ahh Apr 21 00:51:12 interesting.... someone got basic support working Apr 21 00:52:01 halfhalo_T400: cool Apr 21 00:52:02 ati linux graphic support has been amazing recently Apr 21 00:52:19 * preoccupied gotta go. will be back later Apr 21 00:52:43 preoccupied, when you come back I'd like you to run a test for me for a bit. Apr 21 00:52:58 ok...cool Apr 21 00:54:49 halfhalo_T400: and it supports D2D now with aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,Direct2DAccel,TRUE Apr 21 00:57:13 thats wayyyy over my head right now Apr 21 00:57:39 havent even used linux save for 2 weeks earlier this year since I replaced my pb Apr 21 01:00:03 but next question is what distro... and how big of a partition... Apr 21 01:01:06 leaning torwards the debian/ubuntu side of things purely because I hate yum Apr 21 01:21:59 ubuntu++ Apr 21 01:22:11 bleh Apr 21 01:22:14 sbromwich, its been to long since i last tried something dangerous Apr 21 01:22:22 get the livecd, if you like it you can install it from there Apr 21 01:22:32 debian++ Apr 21 01:22:46 RagingMind: ubuntu has shinier edges ;-) Apr 21 01:22:55 bleh. stupid live cd's Apr 21 01:22:57 halfhalo_T400: use ubuntu, you'll end up having to do less busy work, and you seem lazy Apr 21 01:23:00 ubuntu does too much voodoo magic to make stuff "just work" Apr 21 01:23:20 halfhalo_T400: 1.) install ubuntu 2.) sudo apt-get install ubunutu-restricted-extras 3.) prophets Apr 21 01:23:21 yeah but... in ubuntu I end up recompiling half the crap anyways Apr 21 01:23:43 halfhalo_T400: try slackware Apr 21 01:23:50 so if you try to go outside of their standard or approved desktop stuff it becomes a huge pain in the ass to track down what they customized and how to make other stuff work with it Apr 21 01:25:50 simple way of solving this Apr 21 01:26:03 whatever comes up first when I search my desktop for iso's Apr 21 01:26:42 and the winner is... windows 2000? Apr 21 01:27:29 ummmmmm Apr 21 01:27:34 I vote recount Apr 21 01:27:45 * halfhalo_T400 removes his technet folder from his win 7 iso library Apr 21 01:28:27 and the winner is... ubuntu! Apr 21 01:29:19 now, whats a good partition size.... Apr 21 01:38:45 halfhalo_T400: for ubuntu, 20gb is usually more than enough Apr 21 01:38:57 preoccupied: stereo/mono bug fixed. audio sounds great in the external mic too Apr 21 01:39:52 zsoc: ok, sounds great. what was the issue? Apr 21 01:40:29 preoccupied: i was recording 2 channels with a mono mic, so it was only recording into the left channel Apr 21 01:41:00 zsoc: ok, cool Apr 21 01:41:40 preoccupied: thanks again for testing Apr 21 01:43:13 pokes dBsooner for patch submissions Apr 21 01:43:13 lawl Apr 21 01:48:18 Precorder 0.5.2 will be in the testing feeds shortly. Apr 21 01:48:27 zsoc: no Prelolo ? Apr 21 01:48:46 VincentLaw: dBsooner just pushed through lots of patches in the last couple of days Apr 21 01:48:49 rwhitby: still undecided on the name, and I want the name change to coincide with the new graphics (when they are done) Apr 21 01:50:01 well this is nice Apr 21 01:50:09 my usb dvd burner no likes my laptop Apr 21 01:50:34 zsoc: have to go now....will download and test when it hits the feed Apr 21 01:50:38 preoccupied: kk Apr 21 02:22:36 rwhitby: yeah I know, but I /just/ submitted :p Apr 21 02:27:15 oil: can you do a version of govnah which just does temp measurement graph to start with? Apr 21 02:44:28 May i request a set tone for text messages for different contacts . So each contact can have different text tone to distinguish. Apr 21 02:46:12 I want to be able to setdifferent tones for text from different people. they have different ringtones when they call, but i would like a different tone when they text Apr 21 02:49:58 I imagine you mean different sounds for IMs and Texts? Apr 21 02:50:07 unfortunately that's not possible, at least not easily. Apr 21 02:50:21 the underlying OS doesn't give us any way to discern the two Apr 21 02:54:30 no thats not what i mean. i mean different tone text from differnt people. just like different ringtone for each people, except different text tone for different people Apr 21 02:55:23 before the last update , we could'nt set a ringtone for text messages , maybe next update ??? Apr 21 02:56:47 In example: the LG RUMOR let's you pick a text tone for each of your contacts and also a different ringtone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 21 02:59:56 2010