**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010
May 01 03:00:25 <zsoc> i hate glib
May 01 03:03:35 <sbromwich> have you tried compiling it from the palm source tree?
May 01 03:04:23 <sbromwich> if not, what you feel is merely dislike.
May 01 03:09:13 <oil> navinag: rwhitby wrote the service, I wrote the front-end
May 01 03:09:34 <halfhalo_T400> and _I_ at the popcorn!
May 01 03:09:49 <oil> ate?
May 01 03:10:04 <halfhalo_T400> you would think so, but no
May 01 03:10:12 <halfhalo_T400> i'm at the popcorn, eating it
May 01 03:10:18 <oil> lol
May 01 03:10:23 <rwhitby> navinag: cpuscaler sets a particular profile of settings, it will overwrite other stuff
May 01 03:12:55 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-10.24_hansolo
May 01 03:13:25 <sbromwich> I think that one is going to be gold... low power consumption as well as fixing hang from resume.
May 01 03:22:20 <navinag> rwhitby: will there be a sticky option in govnah..  So far the only way to make the upthreshold from govnah sticky is to manually edit the "sticky" file in event.d from the cpu scalar app.\
May 01 03:22:28 <zsoc>  WHY IS EVERYTHING STUCK IN POLL()
May 01 03:24:22 <rwhitby> navinag: yes, when we have a fail-safe mechanism to stop reboot loops if your latest settings cause an immediate crash after reboot, then we will add a persistent setting.
May 01 03:25:03 <navinag> rwhitby: what method are you guys employing to do that...or at least what are you thinking about.
May 01 03:26:30 <rwhitby> navinag: dunno yet.  but bootie has the ability to pass through a reason for the reboot, and we should be able to query that.
May 01 03:26:32 * rwhitby bbl
May 01 03:29:31 <truffolla> hello.. would anyone be kind to help me with the fabulous metadoctor guide
May 01 03:30:56 <truffolla> i attempted to follow the guide to the best of my ability but i am getting a ERROR 127 after sending > make all-bellmo
May 01 03:38:48 <truffolla> when i edit the makefile.. do i change the 1 value to 0 to enable the function ?
May 01 03:39:03 <truffolla> hello
May 01 03:47:12 <zsoc> truffolla: i'd imagine you just uncomment it
May 01 03:48:53 <zsoc> preoccupied: so i can't fix this
May 01 03:50:55 <truffolla> thanks im giving it another shot.. hope it works !
May 01 03:54:05 <swisstomcat> evening
May 01 03:56:06 <truffolla> good evening !
May 01 03:56:30 <truffolla> i got another error.. =/
May 01 03:57:09 <truffolla> make [1]: *** [build/pre-p100eww0bellmo-1.4.1/.patched] Error 1
May 01 03:57:32 <truffolla> make [1]: *** [all-bellmo] Error 2
May 01 03:58:06 <zsoc> truffolla: protip, the error happened long before those lines, and use pastebin please
May 01 03:58:08 <zsoc> ~pastebin
May 01 03:58:10 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
May 01 04:00:16 <truffolla> can i use pastebin in the web irc chat ?
May 01 04:00:35 <truffolla> i think the error occured: cp: cannot stat ;
May 01 04:00:57 <zsoc> truffolla: the point is, you copy the WHOLE log, paste it into one of those pastebin sites (and not in the channel) and then give us the link to it
May 01 04:01:23 <truffolla> okay.. let me check the forums if this happened first
May 01 04:05:58 <VincentLaw> hey so this isn't on the wiki, but what does "sampling down factor" do in conservative governor?
May 01 04:37:24 <Chriswebos> can someone tell me how to create a feed?
May 01 04:37:52 <oil> what do you need help with?
May 01 04:38:22 <Chriswebos> well, actually, i want to add my app to homebrew so it can be downloaded through preware..
May 01 04:38:40 <oil> you can upload it to precentral, the precentral feed is in preware
May 01 04:38:46 <Chriswebos> not having much luck adding it to precentral...looked at webos-internals but couldn't figure it out there
May 01 04:39:08 <swisstomcat> what did not work at precentral?
May 01 04:39:10 <Chriswebos> so i was gonna just create a custom feed...banging head against wall
May 01 04:39:25 <Chriswebos> i've asked for dev access a good two weeks ago...still no word
May 01 04:39:32 <Chriswebos> heard dieter is too busy
May 01 04:39:37 <oil> ah
May 01 04:40:17 <swisstomcat> oh .. two weeks is a bit long
May 01 04:40:31 <swisstomcat> i usually sent another email after i didn't hear anything
May 01 04:40:36 <Chriswebos> my thoughts exactly....
May 01 04:40:49 <Chriswebos> did that...PM...even started a thread on it
May 01 04:40:59 <Chriswebos> still no word
May 01 04:41:11 <Chriswebos> wondering if I'm being blacklisted for some reason
May 01 04:41:55 <swisstomcat> strange
May 01 04:42:19 <Chriswebos> so...I have a server...created a Packages file...copied carpenters_level to the same directory...
May 01 04:42:45 <Chriswebos> added link in Preware...it seems to find the feed but not the app
May 01 04:45:09 <oil> after you added the feed, you hit the app menu and updated it?
May 01 04:45:27 <oil> if you can check the messages file you can see if it fails because the packages file is wrong
May 01 04:45:38 <oil> if you link me i can look at the packages file and see if i see anything wrong
May 01 04:45:41 <Chriswebos> yes...actually, it prompts you when you add a new feed...but yest i updated
May 01 04:45:58 <Chriswebos> www.theplacetob2b.com/
May 01 04:46:10 <Chriswebos> www.theplacetob2b.com/Packages is the file
May 01 04:46:23 <Chriswebos> i have the settings set to not compressed
May 01 04:46:28 <oil> where is the packages file?
May 01 04:46:32 <Chriswebos> going to look at messages file
May 01 04:46:35 <Chriswebos> in the root directory
May 01 04:46:47 <Chriswebos> www.theplacetob2b.com/Packages
May 01 04:47:09 <Chriswebos> had trouble with my server putting it in a feeds directory
May 01 04:48:55 <oil> it looks ok to me
May 01 04:48:59 <oil> anything in messages?
May 01 04:49:17 <Chriswebos> yes...a WHOLE bunch of exceptions
May 01 04:49:38 <Chriswebos> if I could figure out how to copy/paste in novaterm i could post them
May 01 04:50:02 <oil> copy the file to /media/internal and get it off in usb mode
May 01 04:50:34 <Chriswebos> well it keeps saying "unexpected identifier"
May 01 04:50:55 <Chriswebos> and "cannot read property window of undefined"
May 01 04:51:13 <oil> its not the window undefined one, i need to fix that, haha
May 01 04:51:21 <oil> does it say anything else?
May 01 04:51:39 <Chriswebos> well, update-assistant line 389 for the window error
May 01 04:52:18 <Chriswebos> those are the only errors...I just get them over and over and over and over and...well you get the point... again
May 01 04:52:47 <oil> what line does it say unexpected identifier for?
May 01 04:53:33 <Chriswebos> it doesn't... just palminitframework338:252
May 01 04:53:54 <Chriswebos> it doesn't... just palminitframework338:2520
May 01 04:54:48 <oil> and you're sure it doesnt show up?
May 01 04:54:57 <oil> if you go by feed?
May 01 04:55:05 <Chriswebos> yes...do you mind trying it?
May 01 04:55:16 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: try taking all the apostrophe's out of the description and Source fields.
May 01 04:55:49 <Chriswebos> well...nothing shows up in the applications section at all (I turned off all other feeds)
May 01 04:56:02 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: you'll also want a reverse DNS domain in the package id too
May 01 04:56:18 <rwhitby> e.g. com.theplacetob2b.carpenterslevel
May 01 04:56:42 <Chriswebos> i copied the packages file from another feed...(obviously not knowing what I'm doing)
May 01 04:57:05 <Chriswebos> okay...let me change that real quick
May 01 04:57:06 <oil> does package being the reverse dns even matter?
May 01 04:57:23 <rwhitby> not really, just good conventions
May 01 04:57:24 <oil> only for updating
May 01 04:57:34 * rwhitby bbl
May 01 04:57:37 <oil> it would need to be the same as whats in the status file
May 01 04:58:17 <Chriswebos> wait...are you referring to id in the Packages file or in the actual ipk file?
May 01 04:58:37 <oil> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/Packages
May 01 04:58:47 <oil> see how the Package: field is the reverse dns of the app
May 01 04:59:53 <oil> rwhitby: what he has is the same as the precentral feed
May 01 05:00:14 <Ka6sox-mobile> preoccuopied: u still here?
May 01 05:00:19 <Chriswebos> yeah...i copied it from them (just to see how it worx)
May 01 05:00:50 <Chriswebos> maybe i should try a different one
May 01 05:01:20 <oil> Chriswebos: i think it keys off the newlines to know when a package starts and ends
May 01 05:01:26 <oil> add 2 at the end of your file
May 01 05:01:42 * oil wonders if its that simple
May 01 05:02:22 <Chriswebos> no dice for me
May 01 05:02:28 <Chriswebos> trying a different package
May 01 05:02:35 * oil doesn't know then, it should work
May 01 05:04:18 <Chriswebos> just added another package
May 01 05:04:28 <Chriswebos> updating now to see if it finds jstop
May 01 05:04:39 <truffolla> hello.. im still having trouble with metadoctor applicationn
May 01 05:04:48 <truffolla> error is : /home/moo/.ssh/com.palm.wifi.prefsDB.sl': No such file or directory
May 01 05:05:21 <truffolla> and the entire pastebin is : http://pastebin.com/r2quAAW2
May 01 05:05:52 <oil> truffolla: i dont know anything about the metadoc or i would try to help
May 01 05:06:08 <Chriswebos> HEY!!! it found jstop
May 01 05:06:09 <truffolla> how are you tonight
May 01 05:06:13 <oil> im sure rwhitby would know
May 01 05:06:28 <Chriswebos> maybe it was a problem with that id thing
May 01 05:06:43 <Chriswebos> package field for my other one was just carpenterslevel
May 01 05:07:21 <Chriswebos> now i just need help using ipkg-make-index
May 01 05:07:33 <Chriswebos> how do I use it to create a package index?
May 01 05:07:42 * oil doesnt know anything about it
May 01 05:08:42 <Chriswebos> rwhitby: are you still there?
May 01 05:09:14 <tru_> i bought my pre on craigslist for $75 cdn.. good price ?
May 01 05:09:28 <Chriswebos> off contract?
May 01 05:09:35 <tru_> yep
May 01 05:09:51 <Chriswebos> i'd say a good price
May 01 05:10:18 <tru_> i don't plan to activate a cell service to it though
May 01 05:10:29 <Chriswebos> so why get it?
May 01 05:11:03 <tru_> just to tinker with.. i've been a palm fan and avidly following web os since ces09
May 01 05:11:34 <tru_> i would love to use it as a primary cell though.. but the plans on bell canada are too pricey for me
May 01 05:13:39 <Chriswebos> oil: do you know what i need to do to add my app to the webos-internals feed?
May 01 05:13:55 <Chriswebos> or is it not open for that?
May 01 05:13:59 <oil> you need to talk to rwhitby about getting it set up
May 01 05:14:44 <Chriswebos> maybe i should do that instead of doing my own feed
May 01 05:16:45 <jhojho> anyone a jquery ninja here?
May 01 05:17:03 <jhojho> oil?
May 01 05:17:44 * oil isnt :/
May 01 05:17:56 <Chriswebos> rwhitby: what do i need to do to add an app to webos-internals feed?
May 01 05:19:17 <jhojho> oil u make me sad. i was under the impression you knew EVERYTHING about js =)
May 01 05:19:48 <oil> you asked if anyone was a ninja
May 01 05:19:48 <truffolla> do i need to do metadoctor everything all at once in one terminal ?
May 01 05:19:54 <oil> if i had to use jquery for something im sure i could make it
May 01 05:19:58 <oil> but im by no means a ninja
May 01 05:20:26 <oil> ive never used jquery, but i imagine most of it is like prototype, with different names for things
May 01 05:20:46 <truffolla> for example.. can i open it up and attempt to run make all-bellmo
May 01 05:25:34 <truffolla> i hope i can figure this out tonight.. im already been trying to get this work for the past 4 hours
May 01 05:25:46 <truffolla> i've*
May 01 05:27:03 <truffolla> are you guys all mostly app developers ?
May 01 05:27:12 * swisstomcat is
May 01 05:27:37 <truffolla> cool.. web os rocks !
May 01 05:27:43 <swisstomcat> yup
May 01 05:28:27 <swisstomcat> symbian just released a web development platform too
May 01 05:28:39 <zsoc> truffolla: where are you stuck? the meta doctor is extremely straight forward...
May 01 05:28:40 <swisstomcat> will  be interesting to compare it with mojo
May 01 05:29:41 <truffolla> zsoc: unfortunately i keep getting a different error each time
May 01 05:30:13 <zsoc> truffolla: "make all-bellmo", pastebin the entire log
May 01 05:30:20 <VincentLaw> hey so this isn't on the wiki, but what does "sampling down factor" do in conservative governor?
May 01 05:30:51 <truffolla> http://pastebin.com/fW6gdy1a
May 01 05:31:01 <truffolla> do you need a bigger chunk of the log ?
May 01 05:31:23 <zsoc> truffolla: what host system are you on?
May 01 05:31:44 <truffolla> cygwin
May 01 05:31:49 <zsoc> oh god
May 01 05:31:53 <truffolla> on win7
May 01 05:31:54 <swisstomcat> yikes
May 01 05:32:17 <swisstomcat> i'd try a ubuntu virtual machine :)
May 01 05:32:20 <truffolla> i do have ubuntu on virtualbox
May 01 05:32:37 <truffolla> it runs very slow.. but i'll try the guide on that
May 01 05:32:37 <zsoc> truffolla: do you see the "Using Cygwin" section?
May 01 05:32:49 <zsoc> truffolla: of the wiki? it has very specific instructions you need to follow, which you have no
May 01 05:32:49 <zsoc> t
May 01 05:35:19 <truffolla> which part.. i tried following it to the best of my ability
May 01 05:35:21 <jhojho> gak. jquery seems to have gotten rid of the replace() function leaving replaceWith(). no way to do a partial text replacement.
May 01 05:36:44 <zsoc> truffolla: the part that says "you neeed to install these packages in cygwin"
May 01 05:36:48 <zsoc> you have not installed those packages
May 01 05:37:17 <truffolla> oh..okay let me make sure i get those installed
May 01 05:38:22 <truffolla> thank you for pointing out the flaws
May 01 05:49:40 <truffolla> yes.. is this the green light to a successful operation ? -> touch build/....patched, leaving directory ?
May 01 05:52:28 <zsoc> truffolla: sounds like it
May 01 05:56:42 <truffolla> thanks for your assistance zsoc !
May 01 05:56:53 <zsoc> np
May 01 05:58:39 <truffolla> so excited !
May 01 05:59:12 <swisstomcat> cool
May 01 06:06:43 <swisstomcat> time for bed, good night
May 01 06:07:42 <truffolla> UHOH.. laptop battery died @ 72% webos flash
May 01 06:08:09 <truffolla> windows system resumed.. but will the flash restore ?
May 01 06:08:57 <zsoc> sure
May 01 06:10:42 <truffolla> but the pre is unbrickable rights..
May 01 06:10:53 <truffolla> if this happened with an HTC it would be dead
May 01 06:13:00 <truffolla> reflashing.. all sorts of trouble tonight
May 01 06:39:49 <truffolla> so it seems like if there is a bad flash.. just re-run webos doctor ?
May 01 06:43:08 <preoccupied> zsoc: why couldn't you fix it?
May 01 06:43:37 <preoccupied> zsoc: btw, i love your commit notes, haha
May 01 07:03:08 * phil_bw wanders by
May 01 07:13:59 <jhojho> debating messing with python
May 01 07:24:47 <phil_bw2> blah, wirc wont work, oh well... xchats not awful on the pre
May 01 07:31:27 <RagingMind> something happened and my settings in govnah aren't taking anymore
May 01 07:31:41 <RagingMind> no matter what I do my phone stays at 500 or 550
May 01 07:31:54 <RagingMind> even using userspace and setting it to 250
May 01 07:34:42 <RagingMind> hmm... seems I can set it to 800, but nothing lower than 500
May 01 07:35:09 <phil_bw2> doesnt seem anyone is awake... and im no help
May 01 07:35:54 <RagingMind> it's alright... it at least makes me feel better if I complain about it  ;)
May 01 07:36:14 <phil_bw2> i hear ya
May 01 07:36:48 <phil_bw2> hence using xchat instead of wirc...
May 01 07:37:02 <RagingMind> on an x server?
May 01 07:37:26 <phil_bw2> right
May 01 07:37:31 <RagingMind> fun
May 01 07:37:40 <phil_bw2> yeah, works well
May 01 07:37:46 <RagingMind> well it's about time that I joined dream land
May 01 07:38:03 <phil_bw2> yeah me too... cant bloody sleep
May 01 07:38:22 <RagingMind> that's what gin is for
May 01 07:38:31 <phil_bw2> haha
May 01 07:38:31 <RagingMind> or just a glass of warm milk
May 01 07:38:50 <RagingMind> good night
May 01 07:39:02 <phil_bw2> or just bore myself to sleep with the same tech articles
May 01 07:39:04 <phil_bw2> night
May 01 07:41:02 * phil_bw2 wanders off to sleep
May 01 09:49:06 <rwhitby> RagingMind: if you use userspace, then LunaSysMgr overrides it
May 01 10:07:01 <rwhitby> Uber-Kernel 1.4.1-13 now includes the "screenstate" governor.
May 01 10:11:09 <jhojho> cool
May 01 10:12:51 <jhojho> rwhitby:  any other changes?
May 01 10:13:05 <rwhitby> jhojho: nope, just that.
May 01 10:13:21 <jhojho> does govnah know about screenstate ?
May 01 10:13:39 <rwhitby> jhojho: govnah automatically knows about any new governor in your kernel
May 01 10:13:44 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/uber-screenstate
May 01 10:13:53 <jhojho> orly
May 01 10:13:59 <rwhitby> ysrly
May 01 10:16:27 <jhojho> cool. too late to test installation of a new kernel tho
May 01 10:16:30 <jhojho> tomorrow
May 01 10:16:32 <jhojho> bbl
May 01 10:36:31 <bhuey> folks
May 01 10:38:18 * freakout peers around furtively
May 01 10:38:56 <rwhitby> hey freakout
May 01 10:39:07 <freakout> rwhitby, a pleasure to see you again
May 01 10:39:20 <rwhitby> freakout: how long do you have?
May 01 10:40:21 <freakout> I'm ducking off to the coke machine right now. After that? I have an hour. Then I go on roving guard picket around the base, collecting drunks (shudder)
May 01 10:41:02 <freakout> It's an exciting saturday night for freakout!
May 01 10:41:30 <freakout> How's the homebrew world been these last three months?
May 01 10:41:45 <freakout> (back in 5)
May 01 10:45:05 <rwhitby> freakout: well, the latest topic is overclocking.
May 01 10:46:06 <rwhitby> freakout: just like there was fileCoaster and WebOS Internals Preware, there is now a similar scenario with SuperPreKernel and the WebOS-Internals Uber-Kernel and Govnah applications
May 01 10:53:06 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/244474-screen-800mhz-screen-off-500mhz-uber-kernel-3rd-generation-overclocking.html
May 01 10:59:23 <bhuey> rwhitby: did you make it ot dev conference ?
May 01 11:00:01 <bhuey> I drove up the night before and slept at a rest stop on the I 5
May 01 11:01:28 <freakout87> rwhitby: So how long have you been overclocking the Pre?
May 01 11:01:42 <bhuey> rwhitby: why not just clock down when the processor goes idle ? and clock up after a a certain amount of time ?
May 01 12:03:55 <RagingMind> rwhitby, even using the conservative governor it never goes below 500
May 01 12:29:04 <rwhitby> RagingMind: yes, Casey had a post about that in the thread - seems to be a bug in the upstream Linux kernel.
May 01 12:54:15 <RagingMind> rwhitby, ah... in that thread that my ISP won't let me load? LOL  it also appears that bit.ly doesn't work either :(
May 01 12:54:36 <RagingMind> I'll dig it up at work and read through there
May 01 13:27:28 <mjkjr|wirc> Preware alpha update adds "swipe to delete" in saved package list...
May 01 13:29:21 <mjkjr|wirc> to clarify does that just not write the things that I essentially 'dont want backed up' in save/restore?
May 01 13:59:37 <rwhitby> yep
May 01 14:36:14 <VincentLaw> RagingMind: the 500mhz locked issue happens when you use the camera
May 01 14:36:21 <VincentLaw> oh wait, he quit
May 01 14:36:52 <VincentLaw> well anyway, rwhitby, if you didn't know, it locks at 500mhz or higher whenever you launch the camera
May 01 14:40:59 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: thx.  Anyone using the new screenstate governor in Uber-Kernel yet?  http://bit.ly/3rd-generation-overclocking
May 01 14:52:27 <bobert> so far so good with the screenstate governor. it'll be even better when screen-off drops it to 250. nice work
May 01 14:53:30 <sdodson> Do the suspend/resume problems only happen at 125MHz or 250MHz as well?
May 01 14:53:59 <VincentLaw> I used the conservative governor with 125mhz as min last night, and it saved ~6% battery. usually when I get up its at 80%, it was at 86% this morning
May 01 14:56:25 <VincentLaw> I've never had any suspend/resume issues at 125mhz :/
May 01 15:01:30 <preoccupied> rwhitby: has the govnah bug been fixed yet? can we leave it open without causing the system to slow down?
May 01 15:01:43 <rwhitby> preoccupied: nope, it still hogs memory.
May 01 15:01:59 <rwhitby> oh, but if you minimise it will not slow down stuff
May 01 15:02:10 <preoccupied> rwhitby: ok, thanks. I left it open last night, and i woke up this morning with my cpu at 59 deg
May 01 15:03:13 <preoccupied> rwhitby & uNixpSyChO: thanks for your work on the screenstate governor. gonna try that now
May 01 15:04:25 <rwhitby> sdodson: it seems to be very device dependent
May 01 15:13:27 <preoccupied> rwhitby: haha, love reading your P|C posts. There's just so much confusion out there...haha.
May 01 15:13:46 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: did you see my message about 500mhz and the camera? had to reboot :P
May 01 15:46:39 <pslag1> unixpyscho?  Just posted reply but figured easier to discuss here (uber / screenstate / jumping back to max freq when screen off)
May 01 15:46:49 <pslag1> (reply in forum)
May 01 15:48:24 <pullingj> hello, my screenstate governor appears to be operating backwards?
May 01 15:50:54 <pullingj> using poor man's cpu speed monitor
May 01 15:51:35 <pullingj> watch -n 1 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq cpuinfo_cur_freq
May 01 15:54:09 <pullingj> rwhitby: any ideas?  how does screenstate governor determine the screenstate?
May 01 15:57:42 <uNiXpSyChO> through lcd kernel code
May 01 15:57:57 <pullingj> any ideas why mine is operating backwards?
May 01 15:58:23 <pullingj> screen off 800Mhz, screen on 500Mhz
May 01 15:58:31 <uNiXpSyChO> did you install brightness unlinked or another patch to control brightness?
May 01 15:58:46 <pullingj> brightness unlinked is installed but not running
May 01 15:59:08 <pullingj> and it was not in turn off lcd when charging mode last time i ran it
May 01 15:59:35 <pullingj> well, it's dashboard icon is gone at least, let me see if there is still a process hanging around
May 01 15:59:45 <pullingj> the backwards screenstate survived a luna restart, though
May 01 16:02:30 <uNiXpSyChO> do a "cat /sys/class/display/lcd.0/state" when screen is off, then do it again when screen is on.  tell me what you get
May 01 16:04:38 <pullingj> 0 off, 1 on
May 01 16:05:02 <uNiXpSyChO> that is right.
May 01 16:05:25 <uNiXpSyChO> how about this: "cat /sys/class/display/lcd.0/brightness"
May 01 16:06:47 <pullingj> brightness is 0
May 01 16:06:58 <pullingj> with screen off
May 01 16:07:04 <pullingj> with screen off
May 01 16:07:23 <pullingj> and 1 with it on
May 01 16:07:49 <pullingj> the keybad backlight is off without brightness unlinked running at this point, though
May 01 16:09:36 <uNiXpSyChO> how are you reading the cpuspeed?
May 01 16:10:02 <pullingj>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
May 01 16:10:17 <pullingj> or scaling_cur_freq
May 01 16:10:41 <pullingj> and cpuinfo_cur_freq
May 01 16:10:57 <pullingj> or govnah's graphs
May 01 16:13:12 <uNiXpSyChO> i would recommend pulling all those screenlock and brightness patches off.  users that have a relatively stock Pre dont have this problem.
May 01 16:13:24 <pullingj> no patches
May 01 16:13:36 <pullingj> just the brightness unlinked program which isn't running
May 01 16:13:44 <pullingj> let me go set brightness via the prefs app
May 01 16:13:55 <pullingj> maybe the below 10 brightness is doing it
May 01 16:17:52 <uNiXpSyChO> try removing brightness unlinked and reboot
May 01 16:18:34 <pullingj> hrmm, with brightness unlinked running it seems to be working now
May 01 16:19:10 <pullingj> hrmm maybe not
May 01 16:19:46 <uNiXpSyChO> are you doing this through ssh with USB unplugged?
May 01 16:20:28 <pullingj> yes ssh
May 01 16:20:53 <pullingj> watch "echo lcd0.state, lcd0.brightness;cat /sys/class/display/lcd.0/state /sys/class/display/lcd.0/brightness;echo cpuinfo_cur_freq, scaling_cur_freq; cat cpuinfo_cur_freq scaling_cur_freq stats/time_in_state"
May 01 16:20:57 <pullingj> is what i'm monitoring
May 01 16:21:10 <pslag1> and no patches?
May 01 16:21:23 <pslag1> we found that 'No auto-off while charging' may be suspect.
May 01 16:21:34 <pullingj> with cwd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
May 01 16:21:40 <pullingj> no brightness patches
May 01 16:21:46 <pullingj> no power patches
May 01 16:22:16 <uNiXpSyChO> try removing brightness unlinked and rebooting
May 01 16:22:34 <pullingj> i removed brightness unlinked and am about to reboot
May 01 16:23:23 <pullingj> my patches: http://webos.pastebin.com/Mhzq9TSL
May 01 16:23:45 <pullingj> camera flashlight patch and service?
May 01 16:27:42 <pullingj> as an aside, any idea why the spinning icon freezes on reboots and shutdowns?
May 01 16:28:38 <uNiXpSyChO> that happened to me even with a stock Pre.  a battery Pull fixe everything.
May 01 16:29:18 <pullingj> fixes as in no more freezing circle on the next reboot? i normally do the powerbutton/ringer switch cycle
May 01 16:29:45 <pullingj> which i guess is the same as abattery pull
May 01 16:30:51 <cdm> pullingj: almost the same, but not 100% the same.
May 01 16:30:56 <uNiXpSyChO> a soft reboot doesnt really reset the internals.  i've heard of battery pulls fixing alot of weird problems.
May 01 16:32:22 <pullingj> hrrmm i'll have to try that next time
May 01 16:32:50 <pullingj> the ringer switch thing definately doesn't seem to do a gentle shutdown
May 01 16:33:48 <pullingj> the really annoying thing is I'm stuck sshing in over evdo since I'm on hotel wireless here
May 01 16:35:04 <sbromwich> reboot from cold (eg, battery pull) forces scripts to run that do cleanup on the filesystem that can otherwise cause hangs
May 01 16:38:10 <pslag1> Hmmm... now looking more like BrightnessUnlinked (BU) app for me.
May 01 16:38:24 <cdm> pullingj: the power-wiggle-wiggle move triggers an emergency reboot path in the kernel.  So no, it's not like doing a Device Info restart or a three-key restart.
May 01 16:38:32 <pslag1> when lcd.0/state went to 0 (along w/brightness), freq went to min for a second, but then back to max.
May 01 16:38:35 <VincentLaw> the crash on reboot is not solved by pulling the battery
May 01 16:38:47 <VincentLaw> I've pulled my battery about 3 times already and it will still do it occassionally
May 01 16:39:22 <pullingj> if you're connected over novacomd does the connection stay up long enough to see what's freezing?
May 01 16:39:38 <VincentLaw> dunno never tried
May 01 16:43:53 <cdm> power-wiggle-wiggle is the offical term btw.  :)
May 01 16:44:08 <cdm> Highly technical
May 01 16:44:10 <cdm> haha
May 01 16:44:11 <pullingj> well, i'm still having problems.  now I'm seeinging cpu speed dip to 500 then jump back to 800 upon lcd off
May 01 16:44:46 <pullingj> thats when I push the power button to turn off the lcd
May 01 16:45:35 <sbromwich> pullingj: if you're unix savvy here's an alternative: run www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl and see if that behaves any differently and watch the output from it (run it under screen in an ssh session or something)
May 01 16:46:14 <pullingj> ok gimme a sec
May 01 16:46:48 <sbromwich> have fun, I have to go play football with my boy
May 01 16:47:37 <pullingj> hrmm need to install perl but ipkg-opt said screw me
May 01 16:51:31 <zsoc_wirc> pullingj: I don't recall that error message
May 01 16:51:53 <pullingj> zsoc: haha ipkg-opt running after doing an update first
May 01 16:52:17 <zsoc_wirc> :)
May 01 16:53:23 <pullingj> hrmm, need to see if bwm made it into ipkg-opt
May 01 16:53:44 <pullingj> because i have no idea how fast it's pulling this large package down at...
May 01 16:56:39 <pullingj> pt.pl sems to be working right
May 01 17:07:23 <pullingj> pt.pl uses performance scaler and changes modes as I set up.
May 01 17:14:58 <ErlyD> hello
May 01 17:15:15 <ErlyD> can someone help with a small problem.
May 01 17:16:43 <ErlyD> I am new at this and using ares I have created all the sample apps without problem. But now that I have created a one card main-scene and only have one button running one command. It will not display in the emulator.
May 01 17:16:48 <ErlyD> I only get a blank card.
May 01 17:16:56 <ErlyD> what am I missing?
May 01 17:17:54 <zsoc_wirc> ErlyD: run palm-log to find the error
May 01 17:18:45 <pullingj> user dl1ely reporting the same behavior as me with screenstate governor
May 01 17:19:05 <ErlyD> thx
May 01 17:19:08 <ErlyD> running it now
May 01 17:19:48 <ErlyD> is it not allowed to create a telnet session in ares?
May 01 17:21:11 <VincentLaw> not sure what you mean
May 01 17:21:21 <VincentLaw> ares won't launch the telnet session for you, no
May 01 17:21:25 <zsoc_wirc> ErlyD: oh uh... there's probably a separate ares debug screen
May 01 17:21:26 <VincentLaw> you have to use novacom
May 01 17:21:31 <ErlyD> Maybe my commands are wrong
May 01 17:21:46 <zsoc_wirc> VincentLaw: do you recall the link to the ares debug thing?
May 01 17:21:58 <ErlyD> I am creating an app with one button to issue a telnet connection and command to a local device on my network
May 01 17:22:09 <zsoc_wirc> ErlyD: palm-log -f -d tcp your.app.id
May 01 17:22:22 <VincentLaw> zsoc_wirc: the one with JUST the debuggeR?
May 01 17:22:45 <zsoc_wirc> VincentLaw: yeah I think that connects to the emulator with magic
May 01 17:22:56 <VincentLaw> http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/
May 01 17:26:59 <ErlyD> thx I will play with this
May 01 17:28:42 <ErlyD> Boxee app connects to boxee software through WIFI correct? telnet it's commands to the boxee server?
May 01 17:29:04 <VincentLaw> no
May 01 17:29:10 <VincentLaw> HTTP connect
May 01 17:29:15 <VincentLaw> uses the web UI
May 01 17:29:35 <ErlyD> oh
May 01 17:36:20 <pullingj> anyone working on screenstate governor around?
May 01 17:40:06 <pslag1> I'm not working on the kernel, but rather trying to isolate the cause of a problem similar to (maybe same as) yours.
May 01 17:40:24 <pullingj> screenstate governor selected, min 600, max 720. I've found that when lcd0.state and lcd0.brightness are 0, my speed drops to min and then jumps back up to max freq.  When state and brightness are 1 (on the touchstone with screen dimmed), it stays at 500 (not 600) coming off the touchstone to state and brightness 1 and 62 stays at 500. lcd off by power button, back to 720
May 01 17:41:04 <pullingj> seems luna is possibly getting involved and assuming we're in userspace
May 01 17:43:20 <uNiXpSyChO> min is explicitly ignored
May 01 17:43:55 <pullingj> i thought it went to min before i dropped it on the touchstone.. let me try again
May 01 17:44:20 <uNiXpSyChO> coming straight off of touchstone without resetting screen it will run at 500, until you turn off/on screen.
May 01 17:44:29 <uNiXpSyChO> this is the Palm code, not mine that does that.
May 01 17:44:35 <pullingj> nope guess not
May 01 17:45:00 <pullingj> i could have sworn I saw 600 while i was watching my poor man monitor writing my last statement
May 01 17:45:27 <uNiXpSyChO> not with screenstate gov.  everything is ignored for min.  max works
May 01 17:45:29 <pullingj> but i guess not
May 01 17:45:54 <pullingj> still seeing 500 show up on power up for approximately 1 second then jumping back to max
May 01 17:46:29 <pullingj> while lcd0 state and brightness are both 0 and on battery
May 01 17:46:42 <pullingj> does screenstate take power source into account?
May 01 17:47:04 <uNiXpSyChO> nope.  it works while plugged in or not
May 01 17:48:00 <pslag1> after an EPR... my screenstate is working properly.
May 01 17:48:07 <pullingj> and while running performance governor with pt.pl changing speeds for me, the pre seemed unusually warm when I pulled it off the touchstone with minimal battery increase
May 01 17:48:16 <pullingj> pslag1: did you look at my patch list?
May 01 17:48:31 <pullingj> http://webos.pastebin.com/Mhzq9TSL
May 01 17:48:43 <pslag1> yes.  None of yours jumped out as suspect.
May 01 17:48:53 <pslag1> I've been looking at ones that deal w/ screen&lock.
May 01 17:49:27 <pslag1>  - No auto-off while charging, More standby times.  And BrightnessUnlinked (app).
May 01 17:49:43 <pullingj> the only one i have that seems suspect would be the flashlight one because I'm pretty sure I had to install a service with that. but that's not the lcd
May 01 17:50:21 <pslag1> FWIW, I was seeing same as you... but I caught a couple times where brightness would drop to 0 while state was still 1.
May 01 17:50:30 * uNiXpSyChO dying to know which patch is killing this.  i have a few patches and mine works fine
May 01 17:50:39 <pslag1> at that moment, cpu_freq was MIN.  But then it jumped back to max.
May 01 17:51:33 <pullingj> pslag1: i'm seeing the same
May 01 17:51:41 <pullingj> i guess i'll try an epr
May 01 17:51:56 <pullingj> saved package list includes patches right?
May 01 17:52:33 <pslag1> I hope so!  :-)      Yes.
May 01 17:53:01 <pslag1> they are listed there, just not installed after my EPR and reboot.
May 01 17:53:55 <pullingj> did you have brightness unlink installed when you first started seeing the issue?
May 01 17:54:19 <pslag1> yes.  and with patch to start at luna-start.
May 01 17:54:26 <pullingj> if epr fixes me, i'm going to reinstall brighness unlinked and see what happens
May 01 17:54:57 <pullingj> i didn't have the patch, but I had run since the phone had last booted.  and since exited it (probably from a luna crash)
May 01 17:55:51 <pslag1> I am re-installing all my patches now (without the previously mentioned ones and without BU app).
May 01 17:56:05 <pslag1> wil post list once done.
May 01 17:57:04 <halfhalo> ok, so ubuntu 10.4 is a fail in vmware fusion
May 01 17:57:29 <uNiXpSyChO> ubuntu=fail
May 01 17:57:35 <halfhalo> well, the desktop version is at least
May 01 17:57:58 <halfhalo> true, but its what I had downloaded and the mini has a crap internet connection
May 01 17:58:12 <pullingj> halfhalo: running fine under parallels desktop for me.  the normal x64 cd wouldn't install for me.  ext4 kept dumping to read only on errors, but with the text x64 cd, it installed fine
May 01 17:58:23 <pslag1> slackware unixpsycho?  :-)
May 01 17:58:52 <halfhalo> The login screen would not recognize the kb, and using the osk turned on some accessability crap that I couldn't turn off
May 01 17:59:03 <halfhalo> kb worked fine once I logged in though
May 01 17:59:10 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: to show my age i ran the 1st version of slackware ;-)
May 01 17:59:27 <pslag1> :-)
May 01 17:59:31 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: i just stick with Fedora now and upgrade every 6 months ;-)
May 01 17:59:31 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: haha, me too
May 01 17:59:49 <pullingj> what was it like 19 disks or something?
May 01 18:00:21 <uNiXpSyChO> dont remember.  it was painful tho.  i remember X having nothing... like xterm and xeyes
May 01 18:00:22 <pullingj> and kernel 0.9x or something
May 01 18:02:28 <pslag1> my patch list: webos.pastebin.com/XHmXbubH
May 01 18:02:41 <pslag1> rebooting now after re-install.
May 01 18:03:00 <uNiXpSyChO> you dont want to reboot after each patch install? ;-)
May 01 18:03:17 <pslag1> holy grail rocks.
May 01 18:05:14 <pullingj> ugh, i do not like unpatched
May 01 18:05:25 <pslag1> and FWIW, RHEL (yuck) at work, CentOS (home server), Ubuntu (workstation), all others on an ESXi box.
May 01 18:06:09 <uNiXpSyChO> CentOS==RHEL
May 01 18:06:10 <pslag1> halfhalo: no pblms w/last RC of 10.04 on ESXi.  Haven't tried final version yet.
May 01 18:06:14 <pslag1> right
May 01 18:06:43 <pullingj> pslag1: problem not fixed for me
May 01 18:07:16 <pslag1> dang.  It *IS* still looking good for me after EPR & reboot.
May 01 18:07:18 <pullingj> it's just staying at max now, unless i put it on the touchstone
May 01 18:07:36 <pslag1> you've got BU removed, right?
May 01 18:07:46 <pullingj> well, i see one second of 500 when i power off via power button
May 01 18:07:47 <pullingj> yep
May 01 18:08:14 <uNiXpSyChO> what apps are installed?
May 01 18:08:16 <firestrider> hey guys is the webos linux kernel optimized for ARM or can it run on x86/x64 processors just as well
May 01 18:08:25 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: generating list now
May 01 18:09:00 <uNiXpSyChO> firestrider: ARM code cant run on Intel CPUs
May 01 18:09:33 <firestrider> can webos run on Intel CPUs?
May 01 18:09:35 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: apps installed: http://webos.pastebin.com/g6a0bRP2
May 01 18:09:46 <halfhalo> can leg code run on x86
May 01 18:09:50 <zsoc_wirc> firestrider: the emulator does...
May 01 18:09:51 <halfhalo>  /rimshot
May 01 18:09:57 <uNiXpSyChO> how about removing nodoze?
May 01 18:10:16 <pslag1> I've got nodoze installed... haven't been running it tho.
May 01 18:10:20 <pullingj> sure, but i think that one has to be running.
May 01 18:10:22 <pslag1> let me start it up and try.
May 01 18:10:40 <uNiXpSyChO> i remember nodoze doing something with power state and stuff
May 01 18:10:45 <pslag1> unlike pullingj, I'm on wifi and not coming in via evdo.
May 01 18:11:04 <pslag1> it does have the 'screen always on' option.
May 01 18:11:04 <pullingj> well i'm on wifi, i just can't talk to it over wifi
May 01 18:11:29 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: anything else? if not i'll reboot now
May 01 18:11:32 <uNiXpSyChO> i had to doctor my phone a while ago to get rid of nodoze.  it was bad
May 01 18:11:42 <uNiXpSyChO> still looking at the list
May 01 18:11:47 <pullingj> ok
May 01 18:12:04 <pslag1> nodoze running, screenstate still works for me.
May 01 18:12:07 <halfhalo> theres something on my phone eating at the cpu draining my battery
May 01 18:12:19 <halfhalo> oh, oh, oh
May 01 18:12:20 <uNiXpSyChO> and the cpuscaler app
May 01 18:12:26 <halfhalo> xubuntu is working fine
May 01 18:12:30 <pslag1> both on a screen off with power button and with timeout.
May 01 18:12:30 <uNiXpSyChO> that has a service that runs
May 01 18:12:40 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: you're right
May 01 18:12:52 <pullingj> let me uninstall its service
May 01 18:13:24 <pullingj> that seems promising
May 01 18:13:50 * uNiXpSyChO crossing fingers
May 01 18:14:44 <pslag1> nodoze w/screen-always-on.... uhh, screenstate works as it stays at max. :-)
May 01 18:15:33 <pslag1> disabled... still goodness.
May 01 18:16:02 <halfhalo> theres needs to be a vmware tools deb
May 01 18:16:09 <halfhalo> this crap now takes to long
May 01 18:17:02 <halfhalo> And, as always, the mini's bottleneck is its slow-ass hd
May 01 18:17:26 <uNiXpSyChO> mortgage the house and get an SSD
May 01 18:17:35 <pullingj> well, playing with the pre made me do "advanced" partition on my ubuntu install
May 01 18:17:52 <halfhalo> I _Have_ a ssd, but in my laptop
May 01 18:17:54 <pslag1> unixpsycho: you have any suggestion as to what to try first?  I was thinking BU app.
May 01 18:17:57 <pullingj> and i'm running /, /usr, and /boot read only
May 01 18:18:13 <halfhalo> I also have a much faster 250GB drive sitting here waiting to be put in
May 01 18:18:15 <pullingj> and /tmp on tmpfs
May 01 18:18:18 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: did your Pre break again?
May 01 18:18:34 <pslag1> no, no... just trying to isolate root cause.
May 01 18:18:37 <uNiXpSyChO> oh
May 01 18:18:55 <halfhalo> but thats for when I finish finals and I recable my entire desk so cords are not everwhere and the mini is not sitting on top of a hungryhungry desktop that overheats
May 01 18:18:59 <uNiXpSyChO> does you have any stray services still running?
May 01 18:19:13 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: cpuscaler service removed and all is well
May 01 18:19:23 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: GREAT!
May 01 18:19:28 <pullingj> i'm going to go reply to myself on precentral now
May 01 18:19:44 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: thx
May 01 18:19:45 <halfhalo> lol
May 01 18:19:50 <halfhalo> I think I need another compyter
May 01 18:19:54 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: no thank you ;)
May 01 18:20:19 <halfhalo> Thers a 200 atom on sale right now
May 01 18:20:23 <halfhalo> Tempting....
May 01 18:20:37 <halfhalo> That way I could use all 3 monitors withought desktop being on
May 01 18:20:46 <pullingj> well not all well, not coming back to max when removing from touchstone
May 01 18:21:05 <uNiXpSyChO> turn the screen on off
May 01 18:21:06 <pullingj> power off by powerbutton and back on gets max back
May 01 18:21:22 <pslag1> pullingj: now with CPUscaller removed, I would suggest: EPR (again), re-install, reboot.
May 01 18:21:30 <uNiXpSyChO> thats ok.  cuz the screen brightness doesnt change when pulling from the touchstone.
May 01 18:21:52 <pullingj> well, it does. it goes from 1 to 62
May 01 18:22:18 <pslag1> meanwhile, I am trying BU again.
May 01 18:22:20 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: when pulling from the touchstone?  and not resetting the lcd?
May 01 18:22:23 <pullingj> but state doesn't change
May 01 18:22:28 <pullingj> brightness changes
May 01 18:22:29 <pullingj> got it
May 01 18:23:07 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: i noticed while on touchstone and pull off the screen brightness number stays the same until i turn lcd on/off.
May 01 18:23:45 <pullingj> oh no it's doing it again
May 01 18:23:54 <pullingj> let me reboot
May 01 18:24:35 <halfhalo> yay!
May 01 18:24:38 <halfhalo> New router shipped!
May 01 18:26:32 <halfhalo> now no more hopscotch due to my network config
May 01 18:27:09 <halfhalo> AND, more importantly, the mini won't be gimped by wireless speeds
May 01 18:28:41 <pslag1> BU installed (w/patch to start at luna-start):  still OK with button off.
May 01 18:29:17 <pslag1> and still OK with timeout off!
May 01 18:29:42 <uNiXpSyChO> didnt you skip a few patches?
May 01 18:30:12 <pslag1> I've still got the 'no auto-off while charging' to try.
May 01 18:30:32 <halfhalo> Yay for super wifi! :/  150KB/s right now
May 01 18:30:46 <pslag1> But I'm thinking given pullingj's state, it may have been the EPR for me as it may have ridded CPUscaler remnants.
May 01 18:30:59 <uNiXpSyChO> could be
May 01 18:31:27 * halfhalo is going to burn the routers in his house
May 01 18:31:44 <pslag1> but to me, at this point, BU is innocent.
May 01 18:32:44 <halfhalo> God, I love powerline
May 01 18:33:52 <pslag1> an unrelated question (and less important issue): immediately after reboot, I cannot start the messaging app.
May 01 18:34:01 <pslag1> icon glows, but no starty.
May 01 18:34:18 <pslag1> couple minutes later... it's ok.
May 01 18:35:47 <pullingj> hrmm this hotel internet is annoying.  i can randomly see other people's computers in network sharing, even had and ipod show up in terminal as a discovered host. but i can never connect to my pre over wifi
May 01 18:36:33 <halfhalo> hah
May 01 18:39:53 <pslag1> STILL OK after both 'No auto-off while charging' and 'Standby times deluxe'
May 01 18:40:15 <pslag1> More convincing to me now that it may be CPUscaler...
May 01 18:40:41 <uNiXpSyChO> did you have it installed before?
May 01 18:40:59 <pslag1> Prior to uberK, I had 800ipk and tried CPUscaler.  First time to uber I had to reset to stockK, then uberK installed.
May 01 18:41:14 <pslag1> Removed CPUscaler, moved to govnah.
May 01 18:41:30 <pslag1> I *think* that was my steps.  Old age, you know.
May 01 18:42:20 <pslag1> But would explain that EPR ultimately may have removed CPUscaler remnants that may be issue.
May 01 18:42:43 <uNiXpSyChO> i'm not sure what EPR does exactly besides removing patches
May 01 18:43:15 <pslag1> me neither
May 01 18:45:20 <pullingj> hrmm no joy
May 01 18:45:27 <pullingj> i'm thinking it might not have been fixed before
May 01 18:45:51 <pullingj> because when you power off by power button, i think it puts the evdo radio to sleep because the ssh session "hangs" for a few seconds
May 01 18:46:16 <pullingj> guess i'll try another epr
May 01 18:55:00 <pslag1> Well... maybe 99% success with BU.  Wierd...
May 01 18:55:08 <pslag1> Prior to setting custom values, all worked fine.
May 01 18:55:09 <uNiXpSyChO> oh?
May 01 18:55:30 <pslag1> But with custom values, it goes to min freq at DIM, but now it stays at min at OFF.
May 01 18:55:41 <pslag1> (whereas before it went back to max at OFF).
May 01 18:55:58 <pslag1> prior to custom, at DIM the freq stayed at MAX.
May 01 18:56:17 <pslag1> state=1 and brightness=1 at DIM
May 01 18:56:38 <pslag1> both 0 at OFF, and freq=500
May 01 18:57:39 <uNiXpSyChO> i thought i mentioned it somewhere, but if brightness =<1 then freq will be min.
May 01 18:57:58 <uNiXpSyChO> ugh... i meant =1
May 01 18:58:07 <pslag1> ahhh, ok.  Even if state=1.
May 01 18:58:08 <pslag1> ?
May 01 18:58:32 <uNiXpSyChO> yep.  it assumes touchstone is connected.
May 01 18:59:40 <pslag1> OK.  I may be in minority, but my normal brightness level is low.  So instead of =3 at DIM, mine goes to =1.
May 01 19:00:03 <pslag1> But at least now, at 0/0, the freq stays at min (500).
May 01 19:00:24 <uNiXpSyChO> so you run your phone all the time on DIM =1?
May 01 19:00:49 <pslag1> that's the apparent result.  The setting in BU is around 5 or so.
May 01 19:01:12 <uNiXpSyChO> where does it set the brightness to 1?
May 01 19:01:15 <pslag1> That level must be relative to what the UI says... even w/o BU, at 100% in UI, it reports as 62.
May 01 19:01:34 <pslag1> Now... with mine at 5 in BU, when ON, my level = 3.
May 01 19:01:49 <pslag1> when it dims, level goes to 1.
May 01 19:02:05 <pslag1> Without BU, at dim it would = 3.
May 01 19:02:14 <uNiXpSyChO> ohhhh.  something must be using some kind of ratio to "dim" the backling
May 01 19:02:17 <uNiXpSyChO> backlight
May 01 19:02:30 <pslag1> right.  Sorry... I keep confusing backlight w/that.
May 01 19:03:24 <pullingj> hrmm the battery just died
May 01 19:03:34 <uNiXpSyChO> so if you un-dim it without pressing the power button does it go back up?
May 01 19:03:39 <pullingj> something's chewing up my battery
May 01 19:04:01 <pullingj> performance at 800 before i started messing with this kernel was fine
May 01 19:04:16 <pullingj> when it gets charged i am going to scan with webos repair utility
May 01 19:04:28 <pslag1> let me check... I had just reset display level to 63.  Reports as 39.  At DIM it went to 6 and freq stayed at MAX.
May 01 19:04:59 <pullingj> and i'm going to start overdrive up so i can talk to the thing on wifi
May 01 19:05:36 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: which is ok
May 01 19:05:45 <pslag1> right.
May 01 19:06:09 <pslag1> but crap... in doing this... now freq is stuck at 500.
May 01 19:06:49 <pslag1> I reset level down to 6 in BU which reports as 3.  But at that that it set freq to 500 and won't change... even if bump level to 100.
May 01 19:07:19 <uNiXpSyChO> even after turn lcd on/off?
May 01 19:07:40 <pslag1> OK... w/button, that reset
May 01 19:08:08 <pslag1> so back to freq=800 after button off/on.
May 01 19:08:25 <uNiXpSyChO> good
May 01 19:09:33 <pslag1> OK... that may be it... combined with my abbynormally lower display level... let me try to summarize.
May 01 19:10:25 <pslag1> BU level=6, reports as 3.  freq=max.  Dims to state=1, level=1, freq to min.  Touch screen to ON, state=1, level=3, but freq stayed at min.
May 01 19:10:54 <pslag1> But if I use button to turn screen off/on, level still =3, but now back to max freq
May 01 19:11:02 <pslag1> make sense?
May 01 19:11:10 <uNiXpSyChO> yep
May 01 19:12:32 <pslag1> I bumped display up enough so that at DIM, level=2.  As expected, freq=MAX.
May 01 19:12:43 <pslag1> touch screen to turn back on, stays=max
May 01 19:12:43 <uNiXpSyChO> thats a good thing
May 01 19:12:46 <pslag1> yes
May 01 19:13:10 <uNiXpSyChO> let me think of a way to workaround users with abnormally low birghtness settings.
May 01 19:13:13 <pslag1> so the lower level with the ratio thang combined with your logic on level=1 was biting me.
May 01 19:13:35 <uNiXpSyChO> yep
May 01 19:13:48 <pslag1> the level=1 was for touchstone?
May 01 19:13:54 <pslag1> is
May 01 19:14:16 <uNiXpSyChO> yep.  its the lowest and what the touchstone uses.  so i gotta figure out a workaround.
May 01 19:14:49 <pslag1> not a big deal for me, but for the uninformed masses.... I guess "don't even go there".  ;-/
May 01 19:15:15 <pullingj> great an alarm is going off and luna is still booting and i can't acknowledge it :)
May 01 19:15:43 <pslag1> But still at play here was some root cause other than this 'low-level quirk'.
May 01 19:16:15 <pslag1> As I was letting it go off and turning it on with button.  But now makes me wonder if I ever buttoned off/on.
May 01 19:16:20 <pslag1> I gotta think I did.
May 01 19:17:22 <pslag1> unixpsycho: I'll try to find level ratio where it goes from 2 to 1 at dim.
May 01 19:17:35 <uNiXpSyChO> ok
May 01 19:20:14 <pslag1> looks to be 20-to-19.  at 20, dims to 2.  19:1.
May 01 19:20:48 <pslag1> that's the reported value in lcd.0/brightness
May 01 19:22:01 <uNiXpSyChO> cool
May 01 19:24:21 <pslag1> unfortunately I don't have my TS w/me to do any testing now.
May 01 19:25:14 <uNiXpSyChO> i'm thinking on how to program around that. hmmm.  this will keep me busy for a bit.
May 01 19:25:55 <pullingj> after i get this networking stuff figured out i can do some testing with that
May 01 19:26:11 <pullingj> i'm going to restart in dev mode and scan with webos repair utility to see where i'm at
May 01 19:33:10 <pslag1> When screen is ON, UI level of 4 in BU reports as 2.  3 or less reports as 1.
May 01 19:35:04 <pslag1> I don't have Jason's "Reduce miniumum brightness" patch... he must make 'available' via the BU app.
May 01 19:35:34 <pslag1> Worst case I can see is that someone has display set 3 or below... such that you'd think they were on TS and keep freq=min.
May 01 19:36:22 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, that can be inconvenient.
May 01 19:36:29 <pslag1> In other words, I'm fine with freq=min when it dims, as screen is about to go off.
May 01 19:36:45 <pslag1> but issue w/your logic is determing was it a true dim or TS.  :-(
May 01 19:36:55 <uNiXpSyChO> correct
May 01 20:11:06 <pullingj> well webos repair utility was no help. only file not matching was /etc/version
May 01 20:23:01 <pslag1> unixpsycho: I posted (a rather wordy) reply in the 'Screen on: 800MHz, Screen off: 500MHz' thread.  Not displayed yet so no url to reference.
May 01 20:23:32 <uNiXpSyChO> odd that it doesnt display
May 01 20:24:14 <pslag1> yea, got a warning about won't display until approved by moderator. ?
May 01 20:24:26 <uNiXpSyChO> oh.  maybe Rod has to approve it
May 01 20:24:36 <pslag1> maybe session had timed out or something.  But my earlier reply didn't get same warning.
May 01 20:26:58 <pslag1> I've got to run now, but will continue following this and try to definitively isolate what cause was of 'max when screen off'.
May 01 20:27:15 <uNiXpSyChO> thx
May 01 20:27:40 <pslag1> are u kidding?  thank U!
May 01 20:27:58 <pslag1> the work you've guys have done approaches unfathomable.
May 01 20:28:34 <pslag1> later.
May 01 20:28:43 <uNiXpSyChO> l8r
May 01 21:14:04 <jacques> my sprint data service is essentially unusable right now
May 01 21:14:25 <jacques> keeps dropping connections and when it does work is getting about 1.5KiB/s
May 01 21:18:43 <Gollyzila|comp> Any reason why Uber-kernel's Screen State Governor has the inverted behaviour?
May 01 21:24:32 <PreGame> rwhitby: you here?
May 01 21:41:06 <PreGame> test
May 01 21:41:53 <pullingj> hrm, stillunable to get screenstate governor working right..
May 01 21:42:53 <uNiXpSyChO> i think i see the problem now
May 01 21:43:16 * uNiXpSyChO i think
May 01 21:44:29 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: for the 500->800 jump ?
May 01 21:45:26 <uNiXpSyChO> i thought i found it but everything works soon as i load up screenstate gov manually.
May 01 21:45:38 <pullingj> heh
May 01 21:46:11 <uNiXpSyChO> do you know how to do a oneshot kernel load?
May 01 21:46:17 <pullingj> do you think more people are having the same issue, just not seeing it because govnah doesn't update while the screen is off
May 01 21:46:30 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: I don't but I can with minimal instructions
May 01 21:46:34 <pullingj> i am unix savy
May 01 21:48:00 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: I do!
May 01 21:48:12 <uNiXpSyChO> ah!  just the man i was looking for
May 01 21:48:21 <sbromwich> wouldn't bet on it
May 01 21:48:27 <sbromwich> I'm a bottle of wine and half a bottle of whisky in
May 01 21:48:33 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: i'm gonna have you try a kernel i'm using.
May 01 21:49:04 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: ok
May 01 21:49:06 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: its the same codebase as uberkernel but with a diff .config
May 01 21:49:14 <uNiXpSyChO> copying it now..
May 01 21:49:15 * sbromwich has officially said PFO to on call for this week ftw.
May 01 21:49:36 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: i dont pick up my phon ever...  and i'm on call 24x7 it seems
May 01 21:49:56 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: set your phone to airplane mode, I found that helped
May 01 21:49:57 <pullingj> just dump it in /boot and reboot?
May 01 21:50:33 <pullingj> or link uImage to it?
May 01 21:50:48 <uNiXpSyChO> download http://unixpsycho.com/uImage2
May 01 21:51:00 <sbromwich> pullingj: run novaterm then tellbootie recover which will dump you back to parent shell then novacom boot mem:// < uImage
May 01 21:51:03 <sbromwich> will do you oneshot
May 01 21:51:33 <uNiXpSyChO> uImage2 in this case once you download it
May 01 21:51:38 <pullingj> ok
May 01 21:51:53 * sbromwich thinkgs pullingj has the nouse to figure that out ;-)
May 01 21:52:39 * uNiXpSyChO works with too many l-users during work
May 01 21:58:18 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO has nothing compared to what healthcare is like
May 01 21:58:59 * sbromwich has only met one doctor that he would be willing to let loose on a system... and said doctor tends to get his grad students doing the work anyway
May 01 22:04:17 <NiteTrek> Anyone home?
May 01 22:06:43 <sbromwich> nup
May 01 22:06:52 <sbromwich> nobody home but us chickens
May 01 22:07:14 <NiteTrek> I sent Rod a message via private chat
May 01 22:07:24 <sbromwich> he's in bed, I suspect
May 01 22:07:32 <sbromwich> 6am in his part of the world, IIRC
May 01 22:07:42 <NiteTrek> I guess a lot of people stay logged on even when they are away
May 01 22:08:08 <bpadalino> 7:37a in adelaide according to google
May 01 22:08:08 <sbromwich> yup
May 01 22:08:10 <sbromwich> I know I do
May 01 22:08:35 <sbromwich> do /whois rwhitby rwhitby and it'll show you how long he's been idle
May 01 22:08:50 <NiteTrek> Yeah...a bit early in his part of the world
May 01 22:10:42 <NiteTrek> Idle for almost 7 hours...yep...sleeping probably
May 01 22:11:32 <NiteTrek> Actually, I see he just posted in the forums..so he must be up.
May 01 22:11:45 <NiteTrek> Or his cat is filling in for him.
May 01 22:11:50 <sbromwich> I think he has a bot that autoposts replies or something.
May 01 22:13:06 * uNiXpSyChO thinks I need to start drinking soon
May 01 22:14:15 <uNiXpSyChO> seems pullingj has been destroyed by that kernel
May 01 22:14:23 <sbromwich> le rip
May 01 22:14:24 <pullingj> no, i'm here
May 01 22:14:28 <NiteTrek> So, how would the webOS Internals guys feel if HP made them an offer...hire them for R&D?
May 01 22:14:41 <sbromwich> I would say "thanks, but no thanks"
May 01 22:14:53 * sbromwich has a standing offer from 2 different companies for employment as it is
May 01 22:15:04 <pullingj> i missed the link to the kernel
May 01 22:15:05 <NiteTrek> Just curious....I would like to see you guys get properly compensated for all the great things you do.
May 01 22:15:06 <pullingj> downloading now
May 01 22:15:08 <pullingj> sorry
May 01 22:15:24 <uNiXpSyChO> only thing we do is drink
May 01 22:15:27 <sbromwich> I get compensated by having a better phone
May 01 22:15:58 <sbromwich> I share what I do because I am standing on the shoulders of giants and feel obligated to share back what meagre findings I discover
May 01 22:17:10 <bpadalino> if HP/Palm wanted to extend out even more of a supportive hand, probably just a couple of new devices as they're released would probably be the best thing they could possibly do
May 01 22:17:21 <sbromwich> bpadalino++
May 01 22:17:46 <NiteTrek> All your work is much appreciated...makes the Pre 10x better.
May 01 22:18:01 * sbromwich thinks it's indicative that the hp windows 7 slate got cancelled
May 01 22:18:20 <jacques> blame that on windows 7
May 01 22:18:21 <NiteTrek> webOS tablet....I'd buy one!
May 01 22:18:32 <sbromwich> yeah, me too
May 01 22:18:32 <bpadalino> NiteTrek: it's really only possible since palm allows us to play in their playground unencumbered
May 01 22:18:52 <NiteTrek> I hope HP/Palm continues to allow you guys to play.  :)
May 01 22:18:53 <pullingj> ok booting uImage2
May 01 22:19:05 <bpadalino> so far all signs point to yes
May 01 22:19:23 * sbromwich has hopes for HP since they have been so good to FOSS in the past (eg: pa-risc)
May 01 22:20:36 <pullingj> luna booting
May 01 22:22:54 <NiteTrek> I have a question about Govnah...I know settings aren't saved after a reboot. Would it be possible (or practical) to be able to add a choice during the boot process to allow us to use the default (safe) settings or the saved Govnah settings?
May 01 22:23:16 <sbromwich> it's possible, it's open source, you can edit it to work how you want
May 01 22:23:33 <NiteTrek> That way, if something gets hosed, you can reboot, choose "safe" mode.
May 01 22:23:39 <pullingj> well after screen off on boot, it's staying at 500
May 01 22:25:27 <pullingj> nope, lcd state and brightness 0 cpu freq at 800
May 01 22:26:11 <pullingj> root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# uname -a
May 01 22:26:11 <pullingj> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #28 Sat May 1 17:47:41 EDT 2010 armv7l unknown
May 01 22:28:30 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: try this one. http://unixpsycho.com/uImage3
May 01 22:28:44 <uNiXpSyChO> its my older compcache+lcd kernel
May 01 22:31:46 <pullingj> when booting like that is the kernel fully transferred when the palm logo comes up?
May 01 22:32:06 <uNiXpSyChO> no... only when it starts flashing
May 01 22:32:25 <pullingj> well flashing is when luna starts coming up
May 01 22:32:37 <uNiXpSyChO> oh... transferred...  not sure.
May 01 22:33:08 <pullingj> probably when novacom exits, it is done sending the kernel to the pre which is pretty much instant
May 01 22:33:29 <pullingj> i ask because apparently my usb cable is wonky
May 01 22:36:24 <pullingj> root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# uname -a
May 01 22:36:25 <pullingj> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #unixpsycho-1.4.2 Sat May 1 00:50:48 EDT 2010 armv7l unknown
May 01 22:36:35 <uNiXpSyChO> scaling right?
May 01 22:37:05 <pullingj> screenstating
May 01 22:37:06 <pullingj> yes
May 01 22:37:16 <pullingj> by default
May 01 22:37:19 <pullingj> but you knew that
May 01 22:37:31 <uNiXpSyChO> any inversion?
May 01 22:37:36 <pullingj> not yet
May 01 22:38:15 <pullingj> does this kernel boot at 800? i notice the lack of 90secondish of 550mhz i see with the other kernels
May 01 22:38:51 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, full 800... lcd off at 500.
May 01 22:39:20 <pullingj> hrmm
May 01 22:39:23 <pullingj> lcd0.state, lcd0.brightness
May 01 22:39:24 <pullingj> 0
May 01 22:39:24 <pullingj> 0
May 01 22:39:24 <pullingj> cpuinfo_cur_freq, scaling_cur_freq
May 01 22:39:24 <pullingj> 800000
May 01 22:39:24 <pullingj> 800000
May 01 22:40:14 <uNiXpSyChO> so problem is still there?
May 01 22:40:24 <pullingj> yeah
May 01 22:40:25 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: have you found any easy way to reduce wakeups per second in powertop from gp timer/prcm/i2c omap?
May 01 22:40:40 <VincentLaw> since govnah currently doesn't keep settings across reboots (likely because of possible boot issues, to avoid people doctoring if they screw up?), what about a decent alternative, where govnah has a "profile" system, that saves your settings, and can easily be reapplied from the app, without needing to remember and change each value on boot
May 01 22:40:59 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl
May 01 22:41:10 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: nope.  was too drunk the past couple of days... and rwhitby wanted this LCD code in ASAP ;-)
May 01 22:41:16 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: depends on you knowing how to set up an event.d script though ;-)
May 01 22:41:23 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: you want to know what the key is?
May 01 22:41:27 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: alcohol is the solution to all life's problems.
May 01 22:41:29 <pullingj> i found the interlock
May 01 22:41:39 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: interlock?
May 01 22:41:47 <pullingj> lcd0.state, lcd0.brightness
May 01 22:41:48 <pullingj> 0
May 01 22:41:48 <pullingj> 0
May 01 22:41:48 <pullingj> cpuinfo_cur_freq, scaling_cur_freq
May 01 22:41:48 <pullingj> 500000
May 01 22:41:48 <pullingj> 500000
May 01 22:42:08 <VincentLaw> sbromwich: yeah I saw your perlscript before, but I'm thinking more of something for the average user in Govnah itself
May 01 22:42:24 <PuffTheMagic> VincentLaw: that is planned
May 01 22:42:32 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: yeah, what I did is more proof of concept than anything for users ;-)
May 01 22:42:42 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: you'll never guess
May 01 22:42:51 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: only if its good alcohol
May 01 22:42:54 <VincentLaw> PuffTheMagic: is it? awesome possum.
May 01 22:43:02 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: uh? phone not turned on?
May 01 22:43:21 <pullingj> no i know how to make 800 or 500 come up with lcd off at will now
May 01 22:43:37 <VincentLaw> ringer switch?
May 01 22:43:41 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: benromach origins and glenfarclas
May 01 22:44:02 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: running it?
May 01 22:44:05 <pullingj> i can make it go from 500 to 800 with the screen off, but i can't see if i can make it go straight from 800 to 500 with the screen off
May 01 22:44:15 <pullingj> no, if usb is plugged in, it works correctly
May 01 22:45:15 <pullingj> let me see if it's power or the data connection really quick
May 01 22:45:37 <pullingj> yep it's something to do with external power
May 01 22:45:52 <sbromwich> pullingj: good job tracing, keep going
May 01 22:45:55 <pullingj> if it has external power it stays at 500
May 01 22:46:02 <Ka6sox-mobile> powerd is probably causing that
May 01 22:46:10 <sbromwich> pullingj: try running powertop too
May 01 22:46:12 <pullingj> let me stop powerd right quick
May 01 22:46:25 <sbromwich> pullingj: don't stop powerd or your system will fail in amusing ways
May 01 22:46:36 <VincentLaw> your pre will be .... powerless!
May 01 22:46:41 <VincentLaw> ba dum pche... >.>
May 01 22:46:51 <pullingj> well i'll start it right back up
May 01 22:47:12 <sbromwich> pullingj: I will be interested to see what happens to your battery icon
May 01 22:47:26 <VincentLaw> Icon: NaN lawl
May 01 22:47:34 <sbromwich> heh
May 01 22:48:02 <VincentLaw> is it possible to turn the pre on without the battery in it?
May 01 22:48:10 <Ka6sox-mobile> say goodnight gracie
May 01 22:48:20 <pullingj> well i'd love to tell you, but i can't get the lcd back on :(
May 01 22:48:27 <VincentLaw> haha
May 01 22:48:35 <sbromwich> pullingj: awesome ;-)
May 01 22:48:44 <sbromwich> is usb power on?
May 01 22:49:00 <VincentLaw> he'd love to tell you, but he can't ssh in
May 01 22:49:00 <Ka6sox-mobile> Excellent
May 01 22:49:01 <sbromwich> you can probably still novaterm in and killall LunaSysMgr
May 01 22:49:09 <sbromwich> heh
May 01 22:49:17 <pullingj> it's plugged in the wall right now
May 01 22:49:29 <pullingj> ssh is fine
May 01 22:49:45 <VincentLaw> if only we could fix those minor bugs, by killing powerd we should have the worlds first perpetual motion phone. never needs charging!
May 01 22:49:47 <pullingj> yeah, going to try killing luna
May 01 22:50:04 <Ka6sox-mobile> I ssh in over WiFi
May 01 22:50:33 * sbromwich would be teh happy if only palm would open up powerd
May 01 22:50:37 <VincentLaw> I ssh in using the camera and flash. it's like infrared but even more ghetto!
May 01 22:50:56 <pullingj> start stop LunaSysMgr got the lcd back
May 01 22:51:20 <pullingj> what is this powertop you speak of?
May 01 22:51:28 <sbromwich> ooooh you've never seen powertop?
May 01 22:51:33 <sbromwich> ipkg-opt install powertop
May 01 22:51:40 <sbromwich> it is, as the young folk say, teh win
May 01 22:51:48 <VincentLaw> it's power in ipkg form
May 01 22:51:50 <pullingj> like htop?
May 01 22:52:02 <VincentLaw> or top? :P
May 01 22:52:16 <sbromwich> powertop shows wakeups per second... way better than top
May 01 22:52:25 <pullingj> well htop is top+, so i figured powertop is another top+
May 01 22:52:39 <sbromwich> lesswatts.org
May 01 22:52:43 <pullingj> is the fatal error fine?
May 01 22:52:49 <Ka6sox-mobile> top++
May 01 22:52:55 <pullingj> FATAL: Module cpufreq_stats not found.
May 01 22:52:57 <sbromwich> (although grammatically it should be fewerwatts.org)
May 01 22:53:02 <sbromwich> yeah, that's ok
May 01 22:53:10 <sbromwich> I compile it in static not module
May 01 22:53:14 <sbromwich> oh.... uNiXpSyChO?
May 01 22:53:29 <uNiXpSyChO> huh?  my name used in vain?
May 01 22:53:45 <sbromwich> cpufreq stats compiled in static?
May 01 22:53:56 <Ka6sox-mobile> never
May 01 22:54:07 <sbromwich> Ka6sox-mobile is a pessimist.
May 01 22:54:31 <Ka6sox-mobile> d00m!
May 01 22:54:37 <pullingj> hrmm now it's working unplugged
May 01 22:54:50 <uNiXpSyChO> isnt it always static?
May 01 22:55:19 <pullingj> so was it start stop powerd, luna or power top?
May 01 22:55:25 <VincentLaw> yes
May 01 22:55:27 <VincentLaw> it was
May 01 22:55:28 <VincentLaw> :P
May 01 22:55:37 <pullingj> yep
May 01 22:55:50 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: it's an option but I think you have to compile the whole cpufreq shop modular
May 01 22:56:19 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, but by dfault it was always static.
May 01 22:57:41 <sbromwich> exactement
May 01 22:57:42 <uNiXpSyChO> i think in that uImage 3 kernel i didnt compile in stats at all. i think
May 01 22:58:07 <uNiXpSyChO> just checked, i did.  but its static
May 01 22:58:10 <pullingj> ah
May 01 22:58:29 <pullingj> well i'm going to boot uimage3 again see if my plugged interlock holds
May 01 22:59:05 <uNiXpSyChO> plugged bunghole?
May 01 22:59:18 * uNiXpSyChO sorry... couldnt resist
May 01 23:00:07 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: you are *so* not sorry.
May 01 23:00:39 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: i had whiskey in a barel on my mind
May 01 23:01:03 <sbromwich> heh
May 01 23:01:33 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: in the barrel? no no no, put it in your /glass/
May 01 23:01:41 <Marajin> and then, in your body
May 01 23:02:14 <Ka6sox-mobile> jack's
May 01 23:02:14 <firestrider> anyone know the gpu in snapdragon? Is it the same as in the pixi: 192 mhz adreno 200
May 01 23:02:18 <uNiXpSyChO> Marajin: there are some nights i keep it in the bottle and dont bother with the glass.
May 01 23:02:29 <Marajin> with whisky?
May 01 23:02:44 <Marajin> well, you said whiskey, which is different, so I grant you it's probably not worth putting in a glass ;)
May 01 23:03:08 <Ka6sox-mobile> Welcome to #alchohol
May 01 23:03:19 <Marajin> firestrider: I honestly don't but I'm having a 1ghz snapdragon based device delivered on tuesday :)
May 01 23:04:42 <sbromwich> whisky should be diluted with a splash of water to get the taste... for decent whisky anyway
May 01 23:04:58 <Ka6sox-mobile> sbromwich do you still have the early configs wiith noop PREEMPT?
May 01 23:05:10 <sbromwich> Ka6sox-mobile: sec
May 01 23:05:54 <sbromwich> Ka6sox-mobile: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config_sbromwich_unixpsycho_preempt_stripped is the oldest I have
May 01 23:06:18 <sbromwich> gosh, my whisky seems to have evaporated somehow, brb
May 01 23:06:40 <Ka6sox-mobile> okay when I get back from the beach I'll try that
May 01 23:06:42 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: ok i have the broken behavior back.  which fix would you like me to try?
May 01 23:07:25 <uNiXpSyChO> what kernel do you have running right now?
May 01 23:07:42 <Marajin> sbromwich: very true, it needs to have 'legs'
May 01 23:07:59 <uNiXpSyChO> Marajin: whicky, bum  wine.. whatever. ;-)
May 01 23:08:04 <uNiXpSyChO> whiskey
May 01 23:08:08 <Marajin> sbromwich: I tend to go for bunnahabhain or edradour
May 01 23:08:15 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: heathen ;)
May 01 23:08:25 <pullingj> uimage3
May 01 23:08:37 <Marajin> firestrider: I think it may depend what actual snapdragon you have.. the QSD8250 may be most common
May 01 23:09:07 <pullingj> root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# uname -a
May 01 23:09:08 <pullingj> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #unixpsycho-1.4.2 Sat May 1 00:50:48 EDT 2010 armv7l unknown
May 01 23:09:18 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: you are the 1st and only saying that kernel is broken...  now i'm stumped.
May 01 23:09:45 <pullingj> i think people may just not be noticing it
May 01 23:10:24 <sbromwich> benromach peat smoke bites the dust... at this rate I'm going to be hitting up the LC tomorrow :-/
May 01 23:10:35 <pullingj> or they don't see it because they are connected via usb and novaterm
May 01 23:10:50 <sbromwich> Marajin: good choices!
May 01 23:10:58 <pullingj> going to kill powerd and see what happens. last time i did stop and start
May 01 23:11:00 <Marajin> sbromwich: I know :)
May 01 23:11:05 <Marajin> I do like my islay malts
May 01 23:11:25 <sbromwich> yeah I just finished off the... audorchaban?
May 01 23:11:49 <sbromwich> benromach is well worth exploring this
May 01 23:11:53 <sbromwich> s/this/though
May 01 23:12:07 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: i just checked and i'm running the uberkernel... ssh'd in with no USB and it operates as it should.
May 01 23:12:16 <sbromwich> and glenfarclass is nice at the sweeter end of the scale
May 01 23:12:18 <Marajin> sbromwich: Auchentoshan?
May 01 23:12:25 <sbromwich> Marajin: that's the one
May 01 23:12:33 <pullingj> powerd restarted right away and woke up the screen
May 01 23:12:48 <Marajin> sbromwich: it's palateable.. a little light
May 01 23:12:57 <pullingj> also earlier webos repair utility found only one mismatch: /etc/version
May 01 23:13:09 <ka6sox-mobile> is that an upstart script?
May 01 23:13:10 <Marajin> sbromwich: ever tried Balvenie?
May 01 23:13:14 <sbromwich> Marajin: nslc has a whisky evening once a year with everything marked down 20% or more, that's when I usually stock up... should be twice a year ideally though :-/
May 01 23:13:28 <sbromwich> Marajin: oh yeah... balvenie is a good one
May 01 23:13:34 <Marajin> I used to live in scotland so.. :)
May 01 23:13:39 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 01 23:13:43 <pullingj> stop powerd, ? in battery icon
May 01 23:13:44 * sbromwich had a scottish flatmate
May 01 23:13:51 <Marajin> they're a crazy people aren't they?
May 01 23:13:56 <sbromwich> pullingj: wait for the rest of the fun to commence
May 01 23:14:50 <ka6sox-mobile> anybody who would drink something called "Iron Bru"
May 01 23:14:57 <sbromwich> Marajin: fond memory after 2 weeks of living with him: "blah blah blah but I dinnae kna wha ahm tellun yah thee, ye dinnae unnnerstoo me anyhoo"; "tam, fuck off, yes I do"
May 01 23:14:57 <uNiXpSyChO>  pullingj: i think you need to visit the Dr.
May 01 23:15:04 <Marajin> It's called Irn Bru and it's very popular
May 01 23:15:13 <sbromwich> hahahahahaha
May 01 23:15:30 <sbromwich> irn bru ftw
May 01 23:15:30 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: webos repair utility found no problems
May 01 23:15:35 <Marajin> I order it for school, it's the best selling drink we stock
May 01 23:15:39 <sbromwich> better than lucozade
May 01 23:15:43 <ka6sox-mobile> I had some in Aberdeen
May 01 23:16:05 <Marajin> followed by rubicon mango and passion and "D'n'B" (Dandelion and Burdock)
May 01 23:16:21 <sbromwich> ohhhhhh dnb... that brings back memories
May 01 23:16:24 <sbromwich> brb
May 01 23:16:33 <Marajin> I love D'n'B
May 01 23:16:45 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: the only other thing i can think of is the LCD brightness value.  other than that i have no idea since i gave you the test kernel and the Uberkernel with same results.
May 01 23:16:59 <Marajin> I deal direct with the manufacturer (Barr's soft drinks)
May 01 23:17:06 <Marajin> same people who do Irn Bru
May 01 23:17:08 <Marajin> and Tizer
May 01 23:17:21 <pullingj> i'm going to look around for remnants of cpuscaler app/service
May 01 23:17:48 <brikus> just looked up "D'n'B"
May 01 23:17:52 <brikus> sounds like poison
May 01 23:18:03 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: do you have a modified brightness level?
May 01 23:18:04 <Marajin> it's eviller sounding than it really is
May 01 23:18:05 <brikus> but I guess its like root beer
May 01 23:18:13 <Marajin> nah it's far nicer tasting
May 01 23:18:33 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: brightness was last set with the screen and lock app
May 01 23:18:34 <Marajin> people drink some far worse tasting things
May 01 23:18:37 <ka6sox-mobile> my wife gets monthly boxes of cheese and onion crisps
May 01 23:18:53 <Marajin> like chamomile and green tea..
May 01 23:18:57 <pullingj> mytether service?
May 01 23:18:57 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: try setting the brightness higher and no where near low.
May 01 23:19:05 <pullingj> it's on full right now
May 01 23:19:09 <Marajin> green tea tastes like cheap car airfreshner
May 01 23:19:21 <Marajin> ka6sox-mobile: salt and vinegar is clearly superior :p
May 01 23:19:22 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: dunno?  you can try killing that
May 01 23:19:22 <pullingj> lcd0.brightness is 62
May 01 23:20:14 <pullingj> the mobile hotspot service/app?
May 01 23:20:56 <sbromwich> Marajin: guinness and coke is the worst I've seen
May 01 23:21:00 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: is this a VZ phone?
May 01 23:21:06 <pullingj> sprint
May 01 23:21:11 <Marajin> sbromwich: people need shooting for spoiling perfectly good guinness
May 01 23:21:17 <pullingj> but i installed mobile hotspot a while back
May 01 23:21:18 <sbromwich> Marajin: agreed
May 01 23:21:25 <Marajin> Guinness is a good general drink on the beer side
May 01 23:21:30 <sbromwich> Marajin: I never knew guinness could curdle...
May 01 23:21:34 <pullingj> i have an overdrive, i need to take all that stuff off anyway i suppose
May 01 23:21:42 <Marajin> although if I'm being serious I go for dark ales
May 01 23:21:44 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: i would hate to say "Dr it" but i'm leaning that way.
May 01 23:21:51 <sbromwich> Marajin: murphy's is my preference for stout thought
May 01 23:21:53 <sbromwich> ditto
May 01 23:22:07 <Marajin> well the bonus of guinness is that you can usually get ahold of it
May 01 23:22:08 <Marajin> even in the US
May 01 23:22:28 <sbromwich> Marajin: double dragon from wales is the best ever, should you have the chance of samplingit draught
May 01 23:22:31 <pullingj> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, i'm prbly not going to doctor for this
May 01 23:22:48 <Marajin> Bank Top brewery do some good stuff, they're a local brewery to me
May 01 23:22:48 <pullingj> i'll just set performance at 800 for now
May 01 23:22:52 <ka6sox-mobile> okay so tetly's or P&G?
May 01 23:22:53 * uNiXpSyChO all this fine spirits talk is making me want to drink more
May 01 23:22:55 <sbromwich> there's a couple of places here in NS that have murphy's on tap
May 01 23:22:55 <Marajin> likely you haven't come across them though
May 01 23:23:03 <Marajin> ka6sox-mobile: yorkshire gold :)
May 01 23:23:06 <sbromwich> ka6sox-mobile: tetley's what?
May 01 23:23:24 <ka6sox-mobile> tea
May 01 23:23:24 <sbromwich> Marajin: not heard of them in NS, nup
May 01 23:23:33 <sbromwich> ka6sox-mobile: not a tea drinker ;-)
May 01 23:23:35 <Marajin> besides it's PG Tips
May 01 23:23:36 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: ok.  performance is a good choice.  that way nothng else can mess with the speed.
May 01 23:24:05 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: performance also has the fewest wakeups per second so ironically on the palm is the best power saver
May 01 23:24:14 <pullingj> yep, i've been running performance800 for a few days before i saw the updated uber kernel with screenstate
May 01 23:24:25 <Marajin> anyway, the only drinks you should put coke in, are JD and Rum
May 01 23:24:35 <pullingj> i might rig up pt.pl to run, too
May 01 23:24:43 <sbromwich> Marajin: coke should only be used to mask the fact you are drinking widdle
May 01 23:24:45 <pullingj> because that worked as expected
May 01 23:24:56 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: thats why i recommend it... and made a post not too long ago about how people should use that instead of ondemand
May 01 23:25:02 <Marajin> sbromwich: in the case of JD, that would be pretty much my point yes ;)
May 01 23:25:03 <sbromwich> pullingj: don't use pt.pl and psychogov at the same time, they will fight unhappilty
May 01 23:25:26 <pullingj> it has option for screen bright,dim dark and on power or battery. so sets the freq to one of 6 states
May 01 23:25:31 <Marajin> sbromwich: my neighbour in scotland was a liverpudlian, he put coke in abalour, i wasn't impressed
May 01 23:25:36 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: trying to make people understand why wakeups/sec = bad... *sigh*
May 01 23:25:38 <pullingj> haven't seen psychogov so not an issue
May 01 23:25:46 <sbromwich> Marajin: did you commit homicide?
May 01 23:26:04 <Marajin> sbromwich: Nah I was too tired, but if looks could kill..
May 01 23:26:05 <uNiXpSyChO> pullingj: psychogov=1st version of screenstate
May 01 23:26:07 <Marajin> he'd be pink mist :P
May 01 23:26:14 <sbromwich> pullingj: psychogov is the governor from unixpsycho... not sure what it's called now
May 01 23:26:17 <sbromwich> heh
May 01 23:26:24 <pullingj> haha ok
May 01 23:26:53 * sbromwich was educated by ex flatmate... if a whisky does not have a cork it's whiskey and is probably "pesh"
May 01 23:27:09 <Marajin> haha :p
May 01 23:27:17 <pullingj> doesn't mobile hotspot have a companion service?
May 01 23:27:23 <pullingj> what's it called?
May 01 23:27:33 <Marajin> best one I heard was when a scots barman was asked about Bell's whisky
May 01 23:27:39 <sbromwich> oh christ
May 01 23:27:43 <sbromwich> that would be fun
May 01 23:27:44 <Marajin> he went 'Bells? Bells?! we only use Bells to clean the carpets sir'
May 01 23:27:49 <sbromwich> hahahahaaha
May 01 23:27:50 <sbromwich> yup
May 01 23:27:50 * uNiXpSyChO running out to go buy some booze
May 01 23:28:08 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: have fun :)
May 01 23:28:16 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: try buying some proper whisky!
May 01 23:28:25 <sbromwich> it's amazing how many people consider bells, flying grouse and the like to be "quality"
May 01 23:28:29 <uNiXpSyChO> lol!!!!
May 01 23:28:48 <sbromwich> bushmill's is where I bottom out
May 01 23:28:58 <Marajin> Bell's is pretty piss poor
May 01 23:29:02 <uNiXpSyChO> not Crown Royal? ;-)
May 01 23:29:07 <sbromwich> "pretty"?
May 01 23:29:15 <Marajin> Vat 69, not that you'd know what it is, was the true pits
May 01 23:29:15 <sbromwich> crown royal is rum, isn't it?
May 01 23:29:21 <uNiXpSyChO> naw
May 01 23:29:28 <sbromwich> oh I know vat 69, and yes it is piss
May 01 23:29:33 <Marajin> you do?
May 01 23:29:34 <Marajin> impressive
May 01 23:29:42 <uNiXpSyChO> all this talk has made me need a good drink...  running off now
May 01 23:29:46 <sbromwich> just the once
May 01 23:29:49 <Marajin> catcha uNiXpSyChO
May 01 23:30:02 <Marajin> sbromwich: yes it's an experience you never forget and hope never to repeat typically :p
May 01 23:30:07 <ka6sox-mobile> they serve some pretty nasty firewater in Arizona
May 01 23:30:53 <Marajin> sbromwich: know what's awful? welsh whisky
May 01 23:30:56 <Marajin> yes, it exists
May 01 23:31:06 <sbromwich> Marajin: the local liquor commish has a whisky night once a year... some of them are of the "beware, this is what you *shouldn't* buy*" variety ;-)
May 01 23:31:12 <Marajin> they sell it at 3 years old
May 01 23:31:12 <sbromwich> wwwwwwwwwwuh
May 01 23:31:14 <sbromwich> ?
May 01 23:31:17 <jhowirc> natty light?
May 01 23:31:19 <Marajin> that's right, THREE
May 01 23:31:22 <sbromwich> *that* I never knew existed
May 01 23:31:37 <Marajin> Surely does, it's awful
May 01 23:31:44 <sbromwich> double dragon is awesome beer but I don't know I'd trust the welsh to brew much else
May 01 23:31:51 <Marajin> the sad thing is, if you let it be for a proper.. iunno, 8 + years... it'd be ok
May 01 23:31:57 <Marajin> but 3?
May 01 23:32:20 <sbromwich> 3 is "buggrit, we need the money, push it out the door, boyo!"
May 01 23:32:28 <Marajin> sounds like the welsh
May 01 23:32:38 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 01 23:32:44 * sbromwich went to uni at swansea
May 01 23:32:46 <Marajin> actually they now sell uncasked "whisky"
May 01 23:32:48 <sbromwich> fond memories...
May 01 23:32:59 <Marajin> they just call it 'white spirit' as they legally can't call it whisky before 3
May 01 23:33:02 <sbromwich> including asians with a welsh accent which made one double take
May 01 23:33:10 <sbromwich> ohhhhhhh yes
May 01 23:33:11 <Marajin> it's completely transparent and clear
May 01 23:33:13 <sbromwich> now I remember
May 01 23:33:17 <sbromwich> that stuff.
May 01 23:33:29 <sbromwich> yeah, don't drink it or you might go blind
May 01 23:33:34 <Marajin> heh
May 01 23:33:39 <Marajin> it's dreadful :p
May 01 23:33:49 <sbromwich> good for cleaning?
May 01 23:33:50 <ka6sox-mobile> we call it "White Lightning"
May 01 23:34:03 <Marajin> I once had something called 'Clynelish' whisky
May 01 23:34:07 <Marajin> that stuff was.. intriguing
May 01 23:34:08 <sbromwich> white lightning is cider where I come from
May 01 23:34:14 <sbromwich> never heard of that?
May 01 23:34:24 <Marajin> the distillery went bim some years ago
May 01 23:34:29 <sbromwich> :-/
May 01 23:34:31 <Marajin> they sold off the remaining stock
May 01 23:34:38 <sbromwich> sad
May 01 23:34:38 <Marajin> it was.. so random
May 01 23:34:45 <Marajin> you are familiar with the 'aftertaste' of a scotch yes?
May 01 23:34:56 <sbromwich> that's the bummer about whisky, it takes so long to make $$$...
May 01 23:34:58 <sbromwich> yup
May 01 23:35:10 <Marajin> well clynelish was like something out of harry potter
May 01 23:35:14 <Marajin> 'every flavour jelly beans' ?
May 01 23:35:18 <sbromwich> wow
May 01 23:35:24 <Marajin> well clynelish was like 'every flavour scotch'
May 01 23:35:33 <Marajin> and they weren't always nice tastes
May 01 23:35:38 <Marajin> but you had to have more to see what came next
May 01 23:35:40 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 01 23:35:51 <sbromwich> oh yeah, I've had some of that
May 01 23:35:57 <Marajin> I swear from the same glass you could get a dozen different tastes
May 01 23:36:10 <Marajin> it was like '**sip** mm, liquorice... **sip** wtf? boot polish?!'
May 01 23:36:16 <sbromwich> also, I can't remember the name. but I had $700/bottle whisky at said LC tastings... OMG.
May 01 23:36:36 <Marajin> price doesn't always mean quality... and I never bother with the crazy prices
May 01 23:36:37 * Templarian thinks mmm whisky.
May 01 23:36:41 <sbromwich> definitely worth $700, if only I could blow $700 on whisky
May 01 23:36:43 * ka6sox-mobile goes off and pulls the cork out of a nice Merlot
May 01 23:36:53 <Templarian> Marajin: it does when it is jack daniels.
May 01 23:36:56 <sbromwich> ka6sox-mobile: good call
May 01 23:36:58 <sbromwich> brb
May 01 23:37:03 * oil opens a drpepper
May 01 23:37:22 <Gollyzila|comp> When did this channel convert to #alcohol-internals?
May 01 23:37:28 * Marajin flicks some Aberfeldy at oil and yells, "The power of scotch compels you!"
May 01 23:37:39 <firestrider> apparently the pixi has a better gpu than the pre: http://www.slideshare.net/fpatton/tremblay-chris-optimizing-3d-with-hw-palm-dev-day
May 01 23:37:41 <oil> lol
May 01 23:37:46 <oil> its only 4:30 here
May 01 23:37:51 <Marajin> Gollyzila|comp: sorry, you didn't realise that most people capable of being geeky enough, have to be alcoholic just to stay.. half sane
May 01 23:38:15 <Gollyzila|comp> haha
May 01 23:38:45 <Marajin> sbromwich: tried the jap whiskies?
May 01 23:38:54 <Templarian> And irish decendents are pale skinned which leads to geekiness.
May 01 23:39:01 <Marajin> sbromwich: those little buggers have some weird ideas.. scotch + water + ice?
May 01 23:39:07 <Marajin> bad little japanesey man! bad!
May 01 23:39:28 <Marajin> Templarian: I'm a redhead toboot
May 01 23:39:33 <ka6sox-mobile> its the ice that does it
May 01 23:39:44 <Marajin> oh and I mean like 2:1 water
May 01 23:39:59 <Marajin> their whisky has no balls to start with
May 01 23:40:10 <Marajin> then they drown it and freeze what little fight is left out of it
May 01 23:40:33 <ka6sox-mobile> Europeans don't have the formula for ice
May 01 23:41:07 <Marajin> I wouldn't even submit bourbon or southern us whiskey to ice..
May 01 23:41:18 <Templarian> Marajin: that's unfortunate. I'm only 30% so I get to have the non ginger side.
May 01 23:41:46 <Marajin> Templarian: I'm 1/8th irish, 1/4 scottish, 1/8 welsh, 1/2 english
May 01 23:41:56 <Templarian> Half english here also.
May 01 23:42:08 <Marajin> which means I'm alcoholic + alcoholic + lackadaisical + alcoholic ;)
May 01 23:43:12 <sbromwich> Marajin: I tried the jap whiskey once.
May 01 23:43:34 <ka6sox-mobile> 1/2 irish, 1/2 scotch. Er I mean scottish
May 01 23:43:45 <sbromwich> I'll take a splash of water and (depending on the whisky) an icecube
May 01 23:43:49 <Marajin> well it doesn't matter, the scottish are irish anyway
May 01 23:43:56 <sbromwich> japanese whiskey... no.
May 01 23:44:24 <Templarian> Never had rice wine.
May 01 23:44:33 <Marajin> heh that stuff is interesting
May 01 23:44:37 <ka6sox-mobile> Don't tell the Scots that!
May 01 23:44:48 <Marajin> I remember a coupla dutch friends telling me about their visit to japan
May 01 23:44:55 <Marajin> apparently they drew a crowd
May 01 23:45:10 <Marajin> all the japs wanted to see the blonde giants who could keep drinking sake without falling down
May 01 23:45:16 <sbromwich> hahahahaha
May 01 23:45:20 <Templarian> lol.
May 01 23:45:45 <sbromwich> yeah, I have a friend who's about 4 foot 5 and she went to japan and said it was great as everything fit her and she felt "normal"
May 01 23:46:46 * sbromwich hates to think what .jp would be like being 6 foot 5
May 01 23:47:18 <jhowirc> horrible
May 01 23:47:32 <ka6sox-mobile> the beach fauna is lovely this time of year
May 01 23:47:33 <Templarian> Me being 6' 2" they probably point and say godzilla.
May 01 23:47:56 <Templarian> lol, my dad is like I asked our Japenese cordinators if godzilla exists, they said yes.
May 01 23:48:01 <sbromwich> I'm tempted to go some time just to see how a 6 foot 5 skinhead is treated there
May 01 23:48:25 <Templarian> Probably not well, take a orange robe and be a monk.
May 01 23:48:30 <sbromwich> yah
May 01 23:48:57 <sbromwich> well, my sister lives in .au, so I might take a side trip there for otaku reasons if I visit her
May 01 23:49:11 <sbromwich> ytz ftw
May 01 23:49:26 <ytz> werd!
May 01 23:50:18 <Marajin> they're kinda funny actually
May 01 23:50:24 <Marajin> they're hella polite and very excitable
May 01 23:50:31 <sbromwich> I certainly wouldn't risk their whiskey... sapporo I can take with sushi, but that's my limit
May 01 23:50:35 <Marajin> they find tall westerners amazing
May 01 23:50:37 <sbromwich> heh
May 01 23:50:53 <zsoc> Marajin: 'japs' is mildly offensive
May 01 23:50:58 <sbromwich> yeah, ytz and I have a friend over there who is only of average height over htere...
May 01 23:51:13 <ka6sox-mobile> time to fire up the barbie.  Laters
May 01 23:51:19 <sbromwich> s/htere/here/
May 01 23:51:20 <infobot> sbromwich meant: yeah, ytz and I have a friend over there who is only of average height over here...
May 01 23:52:10 <ytz> He fits in alright, both socially and vertically.
May 01 23:52:38 <sbromwich> he got married so it can't be all bad
May 01 23:52:51 <ytz> fair enuff
May 01 23:53:03 <jhowirc> zsoc: : agreed. I was just going to say
May 01 23:54:03 <Marajin> well I don't really mean to insult anyone by it, I don't view a contraction particularily as insulting, I have no issue with being called a brit but if it bugs anyone I'm happy to avoid it
May 01 23:55:01 <sbromwich> people call me a brit often enough I have no issue
May 01 23:57:34 <Marajin> well I do it only out of convienience. I actually respect the japanese for their culture.
May 01 23:57:35 <sbromwich> I just retaliate by calling them "damn colonials" ;-)
May 01 23:57:42 <jhowirc> wikipedia it. just like using oriental is not ideal...
May 01 23:57:43 <Marajin> sbromwich: hah :p
May 01 23:58:10 <sbromwich> Marajin: anyone who cmae up with sushi deserves mad props, etc
May 01 23:58:21 <jhowirc> :)
May 01 23:58:35 <ytz> I think they were just hungry and in a hurry.
May 01 23:58:36 <ka6sox-mobile> we colonials have done okay for ourselves
May 01 23:58:44 <jhowirc> sbromwich agreed
May 01 23:58:48 <Marajin> Well honestly it's not that, it's the fact that they can maintain an amazing standard of politeness and efficiency
May 01 23:58:53 <sbromwich> ka6sox-mobile: some of your beer is ok ;-)
May 01 23:59:05 <sbromwich> oh yeah
May 01 23:59:20 <Marajin> I mean can you imagine a train in the UK running on time and giving you a refund + excuse note for your boss at anything over.. was it 4 minutes late?
May 01 23:59:22 <sbromwich> our dba is .jp and he is all sorts of awesome even if there is a language barrier
May 01 23:59:25 <jhowirc> does anyone know if wirc can do nick completion? and if so what's the key sequence?
May 01 23:59:32 <sbromwich> easy solution: set up an irc server at .work
May 01 23:59:51 <ytz> *titter*
May 02 00:00:24 <sbromwich> also, tres helpful if one wants to spend the arvo down the pub instead of at the office
May 02 00:00:24 <ka6sox-mobile> that's saying something
May 02 00:00:26 * ka6sox-mobile prefers red wine
May 02 00:00:28 <Marajin> Man I've been kicked off a UK train, 40 miles from my destination and left clueless for 45 minutes before they went 'bomb scare, no train, find your own way home'
May 02 00:00:37 <sbromwich> ytz knows what I'm saying.
May 02 00:00:37 <Marajin> damnit I didn't even get a replacement bus service
May 02 00:00:43 <ytz> Werd
May 02 00:00:54 <ytz> He ain't kidding
May 02 00:01:46 * sbromwich has a $300 bar tab to proce it
May 02 00:01:54 <sbromwich> s/proce/prove/
May 02 00:02:04 <Marajin> $300 ? what's that in real money? ;)
May 02 00:02:05 <Marajin> heh :p
May 02 00:02:07 <ytz> Well done!
May 02 00:02:15 <Marajin> besides at over 3 quid a pint, it's easy done these days -.-.
May 02 00:02:39 <sbromwich> $300 in .us is errr.... $296?
May 02 00:02:50 <sbromwich> oh I'm in .ca these days
May 02 00:02:52 <Marajin> I said /real/ money ;)
May 02 00:02:58 <sbromwich> heh
May 02 00:03:06 <sbromwich> 120 quid or so
May 02 00:03:16 <Marajin> 194 heh
May 02 00:03:21 <sbromwich> close
May 02 00:03:33 <Marajin> well that's only 55 pints
May 02 00:03:35 * sbromwich has enough overtime that money is not an issue
May 02 00:03:45 * Templarian thinks monopoly money.
May 02 00:03:45 <Marajin> less than a week's worth of drinking to me :p
May 02 00:03:49 <sbromwich> 25 pints + food
May 02 00:03:53 <Marajin> Aussie money is monopoly money
May 02 00:04:01 <sbromwich> and I bought a few pints for friends
May 02 00:04:13 <Marajin> it's got windows in it..
May 02 00:04:17 <ytz> indeed
May 02 00:05:00 <Marajin> I am quite proud of the intricacy of visible design on UK money.
May 02 00:05:06 * sbromwich was slightly dismayed to find the local "irish" pub had mushy peas in their curry and chips
May 02 00:05:08 <sbromwich> heh
May 02 00:05:08 <Marajin> it's actually often 'pretty'
May 02 00:05:15 <Marajin> O.o
May 02 00:05:25 <Marajin> peas in their curry?
May 02 00:05:25 <Templarian> sbromwich: in the US they usually always do 12oz instead of a pint (16oz)
May 02 00:05:33 <Marajin> who has curry and peas?
May 02 00:05:38 <Marajin> and yeah, US pints are smaller :p
May 02 00:05:42 <sbromwich> I gave up on going back to the uk about 10 years ago... too may people
May 02 00:05:43 <Marajin> signicantly so
May 02 00:05:45 <ytz> Dop: Everywhere I have managed to find curry and chips in town there's been soft peas I'm pretty siure
May 02 00:05:48 <sbromwich> Templarian: that is a rip.
May 02 00:05:55 <ytz> ^siure^sure
May 02 00:06:23 <Marajin> bah
May 02 00:06:34 <sbromwich> slightly scary that my son can pick out who's playing next on groove salad before I can
May 02 00:06:46 <Marajin> get yerselves back over here, I'll treat you to pudding, peas, chips and gravy!
May 02 00:06:55 <sbromwich> mushy peas = teh suq
May 02 00:07:00 <sbromwich> heh
May 02 00:07:03 <Marajin> a mixture in which peas IS acceptable
May 02 00:07:14 * sbromwich has made the decision not to return to the uk... evah
May 02 00:07:38 <sbromwich> I can buyt marmite and decent whisky and beer locally... why go back?
May 02 00:07:43 <sbromwich> too many pipples
May 02 00:08:03 <Marajin> I think we made marmite illegal over here on grounds of inhumane torture :p
May 02 00:08:18 <sbromwich> sprog is singing along to emiliana torrini
May 02 00:08:30 <sbromwich> marmite = my mate
May 02 00:08:46 <Marajin> I'm one of those who naturally cannot stand marmite :P
May 02 00:09:04 <Marajin> but hey we agree on whisky so it's ok to disagree on marmite
May 02 00:09:09 <sbromwich> ihatemarmite.com? ;-)
May 02 00:09:41 <Templarian> never had it.
May 02 00:09:43 <Marajin> I don't go out of my way to hate it
May 02 00:09:50 <Marajin> I just hate it from a distance :P
May 02 00:09:57 <ytz> <-- Canuck and I dig the marmite.
May 02 00:10:04 * sbromwich *heart* marmite
May 02 00:10:11 <sbromwich> sprog loves it in gravy
May 02 00:10:12 <ytz> That stuff is the bomb.
May 02 00:10:13 <Marajin> Templarian: well their advertising campaign is centered around 'it's either a love or a hate thing'
May 02 00:10:36 <Templarian> Is it like the vegimite of Europe?
May 02 00:10:39 <Marajin> Templarian: which is quite true.. barely anyone is neutral about marmite.. they like it or loathe it but never really come out as 'eh..'
May 02 00:10:42 <sbromwich> vegemite is *not* equivalent no matter what the aussies say
May 02 00:10:43 <Marajin> Templarian: very very similar yes
May 02 00:11:00 <sbromwich> yeah, I was hoping to get that in before the .au contingent Templarian ;-)
May 02 00:11:01 <ytz> lol I have had both and I agree w/ sbromwich
May 02 00:11:16 * Templarian is US, and has had neither.
May 02 00:11:42 <sbromwich> Templarian: try them for your b12 requirements before you judge :-)
May 02 00:11:43 <ytz> Isn't marmite a by-product of brewing beer?  While vegemite is a by-product of like... vegetables.
May 02 00:11:55 <sbromwich> yu
May 02 00:11:56 <sbromwich> p
May 02 00:12:00 <ytz> Mmm
May 02 00:12:05 <Marajin> Ya know I can't have a cig at the moment without still laughing at the fact that an american cigarette is being marketed purely in the UK under the official reasoning that 'the US and other nations would not appreciate the subtle flavour'
May 02 00:12:06 <sbromwich> burton's, I think
May 02 00:12:15 <ytz> And Bovril (sp) is a by-product of COW.
May 02 00:12:38 <Marajin> ye gods.. Bovril
May 02 00:12:44 <Templarian> Today is the first day that cigarettes are banned in bars.
May 02 00:13:02 <Marajin> yes! no smoking in pubs/bars!
May 02 00:13:04 <Templarian> (Michigan, USA)
May 02 00:13:06 <Marajin> and soon, no drinking!
May 02 00:13:10 <sbromwich> orly Templarian?
May 02 00:13:14 <sbromwich> what country?
May 02 00:13:16 <sdodson> It's that way in Raleigh, NC. It's nice.
May 02 00:13:19 <Templarian> USA
May 02 00:13:24 <brikus> its all the rage in the US right now
May 02 00:13:25 <sbromwich> bliminy
May 02 00:13:36 <Marajin> it's been law in the Uk for a coupla years now I think
May 02 00:13:42 <Marajin> but it started in CA didn't it?
May 02 00:13:45 <sbromwich> I gave up in... 2004? because it was screwing with my bike riding
May 02 00:13:58 <sbromwich> 2006 or so it was banned in .ns.ca
May 02 00:14:00 <Marajin> I'm a full time geek, I don't need lungs
May 02 00:14:01 <sbromwich> *timing*
May 02 00:14:06 <Templarian> Yea, my friend smokes these http://www.blucigs.com/ it charges from a USB port also.
May 02 00:14:11 <sbromwich> tobacco, anyway
May 02 00:14:17 <Marajin> heh
May 02 00:14:19 <Marajin> e-cigs
May 02 00:14:20 <Templarian> He can still smoke them in bars.
May 02 00:14:35 <Marajin> a light up dummy cig with nicotine cartridges and steam
May 02 00:14:46 <ytz> nice
May 02 00:14:51 * sbromwich has a friend who has a license to smoke marijuana... pisses the hell out of bar owners.
May 02 00:14:55 <Marajin> Handy for the nicotine fix and physical habit but flavour?
May 02 00:15:14 <sbromwich> ytz did fox smoke in bars last time he was here?
May 02 00:15:25 <Templarian> Marajin: nah it's just like the real thing but healthier for lungs. he's still addicted.
May 02 00:15:47 <Marajin> Templarian: how can it be? they don't contain anything else last I checked
May 02 00:15:55 <Templarian> I'm not a smoker (other than the other stuff), so figure it's better than reg cigs.
May 02 00:16:03 <brikus> lol
May 02 00:16:07 <brikus> other than the other stuff
May 02 00:16:15 <sbromwich> Templarian: willy nelson says so so it must be true.
May 02 00:16:15 <Templarian> Marajin: they come in flavors.
May 02 00:16:25 <Marajin> I still say that basing cancer off smoking is a misleading statistic
May 02 00:16:39 <ytz> sbromwich: I'm not sure, to be honest.  I don't think so.
May 02 00:16:47 <Marajin> I had a neighbour who was 81, smoked 40 a day from 15 and was cancer free..
May 02 00:16:54 <sbromwich> Marajin: inhaling burning material of any kind can't be good...
May 02 00:16:56 <Marajin> 'cept he died on wednesday of cancer =/
May 02 00:17:15 <brikus> the singluar of data is not anecdote
May 02 00:17:22 <sbromwich> exactement
May 02 00:17:55 <Marajin> Still it was incredibly common in most of the generations we're basing the stats off, so naturally many cancer patients were smokers
May 02 00:18:16 <Marajin> obesity is still a far bigger killer IIRC
May 02 00:18:23 <brikus> you don't have to be a scientist to figure out that cig smoke is bad for you
May 02 00:18:27 <sbromwich> yeah, trying to find a differential is a bugger on that
May 02 00:18:30 <sbromwich> Marajin++
May 02 00:18:41 <Marajin> hah, not saying it's good for you by any means
May 02 00:18:48 <Marajin> I actually don't doubt it's carnigenic
May 02 00:18:52 <Templarian> A fat smoker?
May 02 00:18:59 <Marajin> but I suspect it's also genetically linked
May 02 00:19:01 <sbromwich> brb, my whisky has evaporated again
May 02 00:19:09 <Marajin> Some people just don't get it
May 02 00:19:13 <Templarian> That is a high proof.
May 02 00:19:19 <Marajin> despite chainsmoking their whole lives
May 02 00:19:26 <brikus> did you say high?
May 02 00:20:08 <Marajin> problem with smoking <-> cancern incidence stats is that there's a bunch of other environmental factors
May 02 00:20:13 <Marajin> *cancer
May 02 00:20:20 <Templarian> If his whiskey is evaporating it would have ot be.
May 02 00:20:24 <Templarian> to*
May 02 00:20:45 * uNiXpSyChO has Scotch this time around
May 02 00:21:20 * Templarian doesn't like scotch... that difference is enough.
May 02 00:21:51 <Marajin> Frankly though, my main defense to anti-smoking and drinking sentiments are 'breathing'll kill you sooner or later, may as well enjoy life while you have it anyway'
May 02 00:21:58 * uNiXpSyChO now lighting up a Cohiba
May 02 00:22:10 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: Siglo?
May 02 00:22:41 <Templarian> Actually most the smokers are for the ban, which is funny. At least all the people I talked to.
May 02 00:22:55 <Marajin> well it actually does more for smoker's social lives than enough
May 02 00:23:06 <uNiXpSyChO> Marajin: Robusto
May 02 00:23:15 <Marajin> since they end up meeting their dating demographic outside with something in common to talk about
May 02 00:23:55 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: I'm a fan of the siglo VI myself, but most all of cohiba's line is nommy
May 02 00:24:11 <Marajin> they used to sell cohiba ciggies here.. man those were tasty little buggers
May 02 00:24:54 <Marajin> and probably healthier as they were pure, lower tar and filtered..
May 02 00:24:55 <uNiXpSyChO> Marajin: i smoke Cohiba's rarely...  my everyday cigar is LaGloria Cubana.
May 02 00:25:29 <Marajin> uNiXpSyChO: ever tried djarum cigarillos? :>
May 02 00:25:31 <uNiXpSyChO> i would love some Comancho Triple Maduro's but can never find any.
May 02 00:26:22 <Marajin> kreteks are a wonderful thing
May 02 00:26:31 <uNiXpSyChO> Marajin: hmm.  i dont think i have.  i do smoke cigarillos during lunch sometimes but they are also usually Cohiba or LaGloria's in a much smaller ring size.
May 02 00:26:45 <Marajin> lung destroyers, tasty as hell and numbing effect so painless while they do so
May 02 00:27:15 <Marajin> Plus the cigarillos have a random chance to cause 2" sparks to fly out the end
May 02 00:27:23 <Marajin> which is great fun
May 02 00:27:33 <Marajin> especially if the person smoking them is new to 'em
May 02 00:27:47 <uNiXpSyChO> cigarettes destroy lungs...  cigars destroy lungs with style.
May 02 00:28:10 * sbromwich is pro smoking ban but not against a decent cigar since at least they smell nice
May 02 00:28:13 <uNiXpSyChO> oh yes... the coughing from a newbie cigar smoker
May 02 00:28:23 <sbromwich> heh
May 02 00:28:43 * sbromwich can draw a fun lungfull despite cycling ~10k/year
May 02 00:28:51 <sbromwich> s/fun/full/
May 02 00:28:53 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: i actually cant stand the smell of a cigarette.  but cigars are fine to me.
May 02 00:28:59 <sbromwich> although fun might not be wrong...
May 02 00:29:06 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 02 00:29:12 <Marajin> cigarettes smell nothing like cigars honestly
May 02 00:29:19 <Marajin> so that's perfectly normal
May 02 00:29:24 <uNiXpSyChO> *nod*
May 02 00:29:28 <sbromwich> or pipe smokers
May 02 00:29:31 <Marajin> apart from the cohiba ones
May 02 00:29:37 <Marajin> which are just very very small cigars
May 02 00:29:39 <Marajin> and smell gorgeous
May 02 00:29:53 <sbromwich> or the indian ones, the name of which escaoe me
May 02 00:30:03 <sbromwich> ytz, what did ghoeti pick up?
May 02 00:30:05 <Templarian> http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6349/iwanttobelieveevo.jpg < friend just made this.
May 02 00:30:19 <Marajin> basically it's the difference between heavily processed chemically mibbled tobacco and.. tobacco
May 02 00:30:26 <ytz> sbromwich: I'm not sure
May 02 00:30:42 <sbromwich> some kinda of indian "cigarette"
May 02 00:30:54 <ytz> djarums?
May 02 00:31:02 <ytz> er
May 02 00:31:04 <Marajin> djarums are indonesian
May 02 00:31:11 <sbromwich> that's the one (or close enough)
May 02 00:31:18 <ytz> Has an "I" in it anyway...
May 02 00:31:21 <uNiXpSyChO> i had an indien cigar...gave me a headache for some reason
May 02 00:31:54 <Marajin> If I had the time to spare I'd prolly stick to cigars/cigarillos
May 02 00:31:55 * sbromwich bikes too much to smoke cigarettes too much any more, but the odd cigar...
May 02 00:32:19 <sbromwich> pantheras are nice
May 02 00:32:47 <ytz> I like those
May 02 00:32:51 <uNiXpSyChO> i despise Punch and CAO
May 02 00:32:56 <nebula> hmm
May 02 00:33:03 <nebula> time zones are weird
May 02 00:33:22 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: I could hook you up with pantheras given sufficient incentive and time
May 02 00:33:40 <uNiXpSyChO> heh
May 02 00:34:08 <uNiXpSyChO> whats wrong nebula?  you are like 20 miles from me?  cant be that bad of a time zone problem?
May 02 00:34:39 <sbromwich> time zones *rock* if you work them right
May 02 00:35:06 <ytz> I work in at least 3 of them every day
May 02 00:35:17 <ytz> Sometimes 5.
May 02 00:35:52 <nebula> uNiXpSyChO: just landed in sacramento from boston :)
May 02 00:36:28 <uNiXpSyChO> nebula: they 1st day its not freezing and you leave Boston???
May 02 00:36:56 <nebula> HAHA
May 02 00:36:59 <nebula> no kidding
May 02 00:37:06 <nebula> though it is the same weather here right now
May 02 00:37:11 <sbromwich> supposed to be 24C in .hfx.ca on monday
May 02 00:37:17 <nebula> it's just... 3 hours ago for me
May 02 00:37:29 <ytz> Monday is gonna rock a little
May 02 00:37:49 <sbromwich> monday + rock != rock
May 02 00:37:51 <nebula> the rocky mountains are FREAKIN awesome
May 02 00:38:02 <nebula> it's like... mountains everywhere
May 02 00:38:13 <ytz> That is some cool sights
May 02 00:38:55 <nebula> got TONS of pictures with my nikon d70s
May 02 00:39:06 <ytz> sweet
May 02 00:40:05 <uNiXpSyChO> nebula: when i left Boston for the 1st time i saw mountains and trees and thought i was in a diff country.  but i was just outside the city.
May 02 00:40:18 <sbromwich> reminds me of brainshare 2k ;-)
May 02 00:40:25 <nebula> dude.. these mountains make the berkshires look like hills
May 02 00:40:32 <sbromwich> looking out to motel window and just seeing... mountains
May 02 00:40:51 <uNiXpSyChO> nebula: lol!
May 02 00:40:58 <ytz> rock
May 02 00:41:19 <nebula> great blue hill is literally just that.
May 02 00:41:48 <uNiXpSyChO> bule hill is a freak of nature...
May 02 00:41:49 <sbromwich> ytz: did you even go to boston + julio's?
May 02 00:41:56 <sbromwich> s/even/ever/
May 02 00:41:57 <infobot> sbromwich meant: ytz: did you ever go to boston + julio's?
May 02 00:42:16 <Marajin> well I think I better head bedward
May 02 00:42:43 <sbromwich> Marajin: it is that time in .uk
May 02 00:42:50 <ytz> sbromwich: negative, ghost rider
May 02 00:42:52 <sbromwich> night :-)
May 02 00:43:06 <sbromwich> ytz: you are teh worst for it
May 02 00:43:14 <sbromwich> ytz: you must abuse your passport for itr
May 02 00:43:15 <ytz> lol
May 02 00:43:34 <ytz> Oh my
May 02 00:43:49 <ytz> I may very well eventually see to it
May 02 00:45:20 <sbromwich> you must visit.
May 02 00:45:28 <sbromwich> at some time in you rlife.
May 02 00:45:36 <sbromwich> if only to make your pants tighten.
May 02 00:45:46 <ytz> :)
May 02 00:45:47 <Marajin> sbromwich: 1:45am now yeah
May 02 00:46:10 <sbromwich> fortunately only 21:45 here ;-)
May 02 00:46:27 <Marajin> Serves you right for defecting to the enemy
May 02 00:46:51 <ytz> Hey the Queen is still on our money
May 02 00:47:13 <sbromwich> means I'm closer to .sf.ca :-)
May 02 00:47:18 <sbromwich> brb
May 02 00:52:51 <sbromwich> damn, need to pick up more whisky
May 02 00:53:10 <sbromwich> down to glenfarclas
May 02 00:55:09 <ytz> oh swizz
May 02 00:56:56 <sbromwich> plus del swizz
May 02 00:57:24 <sbromwich> and I have the boy till wed so I might be falling back on the drags of absolut in the freezer
May 02 00:57:32 <sbromwich> s/drags/dregs/
May 02 00:57:33 <infobot> sbromwich meant: and I have the boy till wed so I might be falling back on the dregs of absolut in the freezer
May 02 00:57:51 <ytz> I love Absolut when it's been in the freezer for a looooooong time.
May 02 00:58:06 <sbromwich> it's been in the freezer for about 2 years
May 02 00:58:10 <ytz> bam
May 02 00:58:27 <sbromwich> jenn picked it up and forgot about it
May 02 00:58:34 <ytz> lol
May 02 00:58:51 <sbromwich> there's about a 1/4 of a bottle in there
May 02 00:59:15 <ytz> That's kind of grim
May 02 01:00:02 <ytz> ...the wrong end of the capacity guage.
May 02 01:00:16 <sbromwich> yeah but she drank 3/4 bottle in one go
May 02 01:00:26 <ytz> wild!
May 02 01:00:42 <sbromwich> if only I weren't so honourable...
May 02 01:01:31 <ytz> To a fault, huh :)
May 02 01:01:59 <sbromwich> well, that plus I didn't have any condoms to hand
May 02 01:02:05 <sbromwich> *cough*
May 02 01:02:08 <ytz> gaaaaanked
May 02 01:02:13 <sbromwich> mmm
May 02 01:02:24 <sbromwich> ss ftw
May 02 01:02:30 <ytz> We learned a lesson though
May 02 01:02:41 <sbromwich> "always be prepared"?
May 02 01:02:49 <ytz> That'sthe stuff
May 02 01:02:58 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 02 01:03:20 <sbromwich> to being it back on topic... that's what's needed for palm prcm
May 02 01:03:48 <ytz> 1/4 bottle of absolut?
May 02 01:04:04 <ytz> or a condom
May 02 01:04:16 <sbromwich> yeah, perhaps I should add that to kernel commentary as an... "aid"
May 02 01:04:32 <ytz> glahaha
May 02 01:05:00 <sbromwich> mason:mach-omap3pe grep -B1 seasoning *c
May 02 01:05:02 <sbromwich> prcm_pwr.c-     // If this doesn't make the system wait for at least 2 system
May 02 01:05:04 <sbromwich> prcm_pwr.c:     // clock cycles I will eat my pants with seasoning.
May 02 01:05:06 <sbromwich> mason:mach-omap3pe
May 02 01:05:18 <sbromwich> comme ca
May 02 01:05:26 <ytz> What would you season the pants with?
May 02 01:05:49 <sbromwich> I was thinking assreaper
May 02 01:06:10 <ytz> lol
May 02 01:06:36 <sbromwich> cos if it's seasoned with assreaper... you ain't tasting nothing else ;-)
May 02 01:06:59 <ytz> Proper
May 02 01:07:58 <sbromwich> brb
May 02 01:40:04 <rwhitby> morning
May 02 01:41:13 <sbromwich>  morning rwhitby
May 02 01:41:34 * sbromwich has been good & not commit while !sober
May 02 01:42:22 <ytz> attaboi
May 02 01:42:47 * sbromwich works hard at not corrupting lusers' kernels
May 02 01:42:52 <rwhitby> anything happen overnight ?
May 02 01:43:11 <sbromwich> rwhitby: much dicussion of whisky
May 02 01:44:08 * rwhitby loves the power-wiggle-wiggle official term from cdm
May 02 01:44:15 <sbromwich> heh
May 02 01:44:50 * sbromwich has a moment of cognitive dissonance with comp.wtf?
May 02 01:46:01 <Spyral> oh, hey.  rwhitby. I was thinking about redoing the icon for Save/Restore. Would I hurt anyone's feelings if I did so and submitted it to you as a possible replacement?
May 02 01:49:57 <Chriswebos> rwhitby: can I add my app to the webos-internals feed?
May 02 01:54:14 <rwhitby> Spyral: put it up on the icons page, and we'll see what the community thinks of it.
May 02 01:54:27 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: sure, is it open source?
May 02 01:54:51 <Chriswebos> no, it's not...would that be a problem?
May 02 01:56:00 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: it would - we pretty much have a requirement for material to be open source in the webos-internals feed.
May 02 01:56:09 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: have you tried the PreCentral feed?
May 02 01:56:10 * sbromwich wonders why anyone would put up an aribtrary random number as anything other than freeware
May 02 01:56:39 <Chriswebos> several times....well, asked for developer access...but haven't been granted it for some reason
May 02 01:56:54 <jhowirc> wow.wth with the peeps on precentral?
May 02 01:57:25 <rwhitby> jhowirc: tell me about it
May 02 01:57:38 <Spyral> rwhitby:do you have a master icon for the penguin? I'm having a hard time finding the exact same one
May 02 01:57:39 <Chriswebos> heard dieter is busy
May 02 01:57:56 <rwhitby> Spyral: Templarian is our icon guru
May 02 01:58:24 <Spyral> hm
May 02 01:58:25 <jhowirc> rwithby that's some serious angst...
May 02 01:58:26 * Templarian frowns.
May 02 01:58:37 <Spyral> hey you are awake
May 02 01:58:54 <Templarian> Uploading it
May 02 01:59:02 <Templarian> (it's actually custom made by another member)
May 02 01:59:16 <zsoc> preoccupied: so i finally came up with the work around. it was option 6 on my list of ugly ridiculous ways of fixing this.
May 02 01:59:35 <Templarian> Spyral: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6426/tuxicons.png
May 02 01:59:46 <zsoc> preoccupied: a side effect is it robustified the method of stop in general, and also set up the framework for playback in the app
May 02 02:00:09 <Chriswebos> rwhitby: is it still okay if I use the ipkg-make-index tool to make a package for my feed?
May 02 02:00:21 <Spyral> woo! thanks!
May 02 02:00:59 <Templarian> np
May 02 02:01:36 <Templarian> If you need the eyes different I have the sources.
May 02 02:02:35 * halfhalo projects, while they may not be open source, will gladly give out the code to other developers if it will help them.  Or of someone just wants to see it for kicks.
May 02 02:03:04 <Spyral> i shouldn't need them. I'm not straying far from the original icon design
May 02 02:03:45 * halfhalo is also open sourcing any app that he wrote that is not in the paid catalog
May 02 02:05:02 * sbromwich defaults to gpl out of pure laziness
May 02 02:05:57 * halfhalo is also working his way through a semesters worth of logic homework in a day.  While sitting on a stool since his chair is broken.  AGAIN.  In a room that is 90F degrees since the desktop had to be on for some of the work.
May 02 02:06:35 <sbromwich> *golf clap*
May 02 02:07:09 <halfhalo> lol
May 02 02:07:51 <halfhalo> holycrap.  theres like 17 sentences for this problem
May 02 02:09:02 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: absolutely - we publish all our stuff for others to use.  And using the GPL ipkg-make-index tool to create an index for your closed source package is well within the rights given to you by the GPL license.
May 02 02:10:27 <Chriswebos> cool...is there a place to learn what the options mean? I'm not sure if I'm packaging it correctly...actually, I know I'm not doing it right because it doesn't output to a Packages file.. I have to vi my own file and copy the output from ipkg-make-index into it
May 02 02:10:46 <halfhalo> pipe it to a file
May 02 02:11:19 <Chriswebos> oh, so that's not one of the options? it does create a Packages.stamp file
May 02 02:11:50 <halfhalo> No idea if its an option, thats just what I would do
May 02 02:12:37 <halfhalo> now, if you will excuse me for a second, I'm going to get the hose to spray these kids riding their bikes up and down my street… and then onto my lawn to turn around.
May 02 02:12:49 <preoccupied> zsoc: sounds great! so it won't open a new window to play recordings
May 02 02:12:49 <preoccupied> ?
May 02 02:13:32 <zsoc> preoccupied: oh, well i haven't gotten there yet, but I /can/
May 02 02:13:53 <zsoc> preoccupied: i kinda like the way it does it now, opening in the streaming app makes your recording it's own entity, and it's less laggy
May 02 02:14:26 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, and it's less work to code as well. Cuz you'll have to probably make a progress bar, a playback counter, etc
May 02 02:14:53 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: I'm not sure what documentation there is for that script - it comes from the Zaurus line of projects at least 10 years ago.  It's python or bourne shell source code, so you can take a look inside to see.
May 02 02:15:05 <zsoc> preoccupied: pretty much yes
May 02 02:16:16 <Chriswebos> cool...I guess the mai thing is to be able to produce a timestamp...for some reason my feed conflicts with the cpuscaler feed
May 02 02:16:43 <preoccupied> zsoc: so, one step closer to a public release? :)
May 02 02:17:27 <zsoc> preoccupied: yeah, what i thought was going to take 2 hours took 4 days, lol. now i have to implement my ridiculous work around into the gui, and then just the icon and the support scene
May 02 02:19:20 <sbromwich> zsoc: sleep ftw
May 02 02:19:41 <zsoc> sbromwich: bah, for the weak
May 02 02:20:01 <halfhalo> I sleep when I'm dead
May 02 02:22:14 <sbromwich> zsoc: you say that when you're young...
May 02 02:22:41 <Templarian> Sleep isn't that useful. You only need 5hours a day to function.
May 02 02:22:50 <sbromwich> me just took a week's stress leave to catch up on sleep
May 02 02:23:10 <sbromwich> Templarian: try that when you sleep is interrupted every ~3 hours
May 02 02:23:43 <Templarian> Ignore it, it's not going to remember.
May 02 02:23:44 <halfhalo> Hah
May 02 02:24:36 <sbromwich> Templarian: tell the patients on the operating table that
May 02 02:25:06 * sbromwich has yet to see more mission critical than that
May 02 02:25:12 <Templarian> sbromwich: wait I thought you were talking about a baby.
May 02 02:25:30 <halfhalo> Their asleep, they won't care as long as you bring em back a beer
May 02 02:25:47 <halfhalo> Well, Except those that do
May 02 02:25:52 <halfhalo> Like all of them
May 02 02:26:28 <sbromwich> Templarian: best example was from one of my junior sysadmins: "I have a server down, I have a patient with a (medical term) and a probe into their heart, if this isn't fixed within 30 minutes their drugs stop and they will die, please fix asap"
May 02 02:27:02 <sbromwich> such is the joy of healthcare.
May 02 02:27:17 <halfhalo> hah
May 02 02:27:30 <halfhalo> "But its windows!  It will never stay up!"
May 02 02:27:57 <sbromwich> no, it's aix
May 02 02:28:02 <Templarian> sbromwich: how is the medical equipment that bad.
May 02 02:28:08 <sbromwich> the *clients* are windows though
May 02 02:28:10 <VincentLaw> didn't that happen on Grey's Anatomy once?
May 02 02:28:20 <sbromwich> Templarian: microsoft ftl
May 02 02:28:39 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: dunno, I don't have cable
May 02 02:28:45 <Templarian> sbromwich: FTW, their embedded systems are very stable.
May 02 02:28:50 <VincentLaw> some girl fixed it, supposedly the problem was a wire was plugged in upside down? I'm not sure how that's possible considering the computer was on for half the operation?
May 02 02:28:51 <halfhalo> yeah.....
May 02 02:29:10 <sbromwich> Templarian: not if they depend on windows as the client os
May 02 02:29:23 <halfhalo> "Oh crap… I left a flash drive in their lung…."
May 02 02:29:45 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: in this case it turned out to be the windows antivirus freezing a (nominally network isolated) machine from picking up updates
May 02 02:30:03 <halfhalo> I blame mcAfee
May 02 02:30:04 <VincentLaw> hah
May 02 02:30:07 <sbromwich> norton
May 02 02:30:08 <Templarian> lol
May 02 02:30:18 * halfhalo was close to egging their building during devdays
May 02 02:30:26 <sbromwich> although ultimatly... microsoft
May 02 02:30:39 <sbromwich> if the fuckers would only run unix on their client workstations...
May 02 02:30:46 * sbromwich is not bitter.
May 02 02:31:22 <Templarian> Nicely made .net applications should always run flawlessly and smooth. Bad programming happens on all OSs.
May 02 02:31:29 <halfhalo> now, see if it was mac…. then nothing would work since it would only allow apple approved people to connect
May 02 02:31:51 <VincentLaw> #1 reason computers fail: users
May 02 02:31:59 <Templarian> But if apple can sell said patient a product afterwards they might have an insentive.
May 02 02:32:23 <halfhalo> #2 reason: Someone pissed me off.  Wait, thats still part of #1
May 02 02:32:58 <sbromwich> no, it was NAV trying to do a connect from a network isolated machine
May 02 02:34:51 <sbromwich> sadly, my recommendation that all OR machines should be running !windows was not approved
May 02 02:36:05 <zsoc> sbromwich: make it again
May 02 02:37:31 <sbromwich> zsoc: my next recommendation is going to be to use policy enforcement for a screensaver with demo of hand cultures to enforce handwashing
May 02 02:38:24 <sbromwich> cf superfreakonomics
May 02 02:39:57 <ytz> boosh
May 02 02:41:04 <sbromwich> mmm
May 02 02:41:48 * sbromwich applies hydrous emollient for great justice
May 02 02:42:35 <ytz> take off every zig
May 02 02:42:54 <sbromwich> ziggah ziggah
May 02 02:43:06 <sbromwich> scary how quick that stuff sinks in
May 02 02:43:12 <ytz> heheh
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