**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 02 02:59:56 2010 May 02 03:01:22 okay. I need critique before I up it to the community page May 02 03:01:29 http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1563/icontest.png May 02 03:02:50 Spyral: not bad May 02 03:02:59 recommendations? May 02 03:03:14 Spyral: but I have poor judgement when it comes to asthetics, so I'll leave it up to others to form a consensus on the matter :) May 02 03:03:21 lol May 02 03:03:50 * Spyral pokes Templarian May 02 03:05:22 * Templarian stabs Spyral May 02 03:05:31 oh May 02 03:05:32 Dieter has just weighed in on the smoking SPK thread. May 02 03:05:37 ow May 02 03:05:43 hey oil! May 02 03:05:44 spill it May 02 03:06:20 uNiXpSyChO: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/243857-new-super-pre-kernel-app-smokin-7.html#post2417338 May 02 03:06:48 wtf random disconnection May 02 03:07:34 grr. stupid client May 02 03:07:45 Dieter needs to drop a nuke ;-) May 02 03:10:02 * Tibfib just realized the superprekernel prekernel spat started at page 2... not 5. May 02 03:16:38 may I ask what the worm icon is for on the icons page? May 02 03:18:32 its for worms, i would assume May 02 03:19:24 ooo, I haven't seen such a game in the feeds yet May 02 03:21:14 Tibfib: interesting reading? ;) May 02 03:21:26 sigh. I need a new laptop May 02 03:22:37 rwhitby: definitely interesting May 02 03:32:08 sorry Spyral got distracted earlier, looks good. :) May 02 03:32:15 lol. it's okay May 02 03:32:43 I tweaked it a smidge. made tux smaller, and moved the disk a little further from the edge May 02 03:33:03 Always leave 3px minimum margin. May 02 03:34:09 tux is exactly 3 px from the edges. the disk is also 3, including the drop shadow May 02 03:34:23 :) May 02 03:34:46 now...uh...might someone explain how I upload it to the icons page for the community to ravage it? May 02 03:35:10 You have to login to do uploads. May 02 03:35:18 Then you have to follow the naming convention. May 02 03:35:38 Better yet link me to the page and the image and I'll do it. May 02 03:36:15 I notice the convention, but it's not the official icon (yet). May 02 03:36:18 okay May 02 03:36:43 lemme just test the last edit on my pre May 02 03:37:02 * rwhitby is finally up to date on forum, email and tweets for today. May 02 03:37:21 you're a hard worker rwhitby May 02 03:37:32 rwhitby: how many @webosinternals do you get a day? May 02 03:37:39 bpadalino: I spent most of the morning at my son's soccer match - they won 7-2 :) May 02 03:37:47 congrats! May 02 03:37:52 did you go out and celebrate afterwards? May 02 03:38:13 bpadalino: took them to eat fast food :) May 02 03:38:26 hehe May 02 03:38:41 Templarian: dunno. doesn't seem to be a great amount May 02 03:43:18 1100 tweets for rod as webosinternals .. not quite 1 year, either May 02 03:43:35 you have any big 1 year anniversary celebration plans ? May 02 03:43:46 Preware v1? lol May 02 03:43:56 lol May 02 03:44:11 preoccupied: getting closer :P definitely going to have a 0.5.9 release in alpha still May 02 03:44:15 rwhitby: did you notice hp official news has followed you on twitter ? May 02 03:44:38 it always fun having big companies/sites/people following you May 02 03:44:57 Very nice. May 02 03:45:26 I think I only have a bunch of amateur webcam girls following me May 02 03:45:45 I had pcworld following me at one point. Dunno if they still are May 02 03:46:40 I get Palm to link to my webos blog I count it as a win. Now if I could get a large company that would be nice. May 02 03:47:51 bpadalino: I'm following them, I was not aware that they are following me. Are you sure? May 02 03:48:01 hrm, let me see May 02 03:48:19 ah, maybe i had it backwards May 02 03:48:43 sorry May 02 03:49:04 i had it backwards, but can't see who is following you without logging in i guess May 02 03:49:43 hmmm May 02 03:49:51 I have two AMD people following me May 02 03:50:17 zsoc: alright, that's fine May 02 03:50:45 preoccupied: there's a lot more processing and error checking May 02 03:51:05 checking @palm's favorited tweets is interesting May 02 03:51:20 preoccupied: the 'recording stopped' message doesn't actually return until /everything/ is done, so there's a slightly longer lag on "saving.. please wait" on every recording, but it should fix all of the hanging issues May 02 03:51:28 zsoc: oh, yeah. that's stuff's important May 02 03:51:43 Templarian: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7268/iconwebosinternalssaver.png May 02 03:52:02 I tried formatting it for you, but imageshack butchered the underscores :( May 02 03:52:24 he's hiding behind a very large disk May 02 03:52:42 bpadalino: must be the perspective :) May 02 03:52:47 zsoc: as long as it works reasonably well :) May 02 03:52:50 he's just a long way away May 02 03:52:57 quite possibly May 02 03:53:23 maybe he should be holding a floppy disk or other type of media May 02 03:53:26 zsoc: let me know if there's anyway I can help May 02 03:54:19 he could be May 02 03:54:34 preoccupied: this is helping lol May 02 03:54:49 the "Works reasonably well" part is what i'm trying to fix before 0.5.9.. not quite there yet May 02 03:55:04 Save/Restore is a large accomplishment. The disk mirrors that :) May 02 03:55:09 hehe May 02 03:55:11 good call May 02 03:57:04 zsoc: lol alright. and if you think of anything that should be added to the wiki, i'd happy to do that as well May 02 03:57:16 Spyral: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons May 02 03:57:41 preoccupied: new service is moving to GPL vs the old service being MIT May 02 03:57:51 hm. the penguin is still bigger than the rest of the icons. I knew i shoulda cross-referenced May 02 03:57:55 Feel free to just add {{icon|Icon_WebOSInternals_Saver.png}} where you need to show it. May 02 03:57:59 Thanks for posting it though May 02 03:58:03 zsoc: lol, alright. any specific reason for the change? May 02 03:58:17 zsoc: don't want people to use it in a commercial app? May 02 03:58:37 Spyral: just click on the icon and overwrite it. May 02 03:58:46 Have to be logged in to the wiki. May 02 03:58:52 preoccupied: I'm trying to avoid someone copying it line by line, putting their name on it, and putting it in the app catalog (without them releasing source) May 02 03:59:04 preoccupied: GPL doesn't restrict commercial use, necessarily. May 02 03:59:50 hm. I upped the icon for VBA months ago. I should still have a wiki login here somewhere... May 02 04:01:20 zsoc: well, i doubt the app would ever make it to the app catalog...since you're not using the official apis... May 02 04:03:21 preoccupied: I'm using self contained libraries. There's very little reason it couldn't be converted from a service to Plugin, and submitted PDK May 02 04:03:58 Templarian: should I overwrite it now or just let people critique it first? May 02 04:04:21 Overwrite, no one ever crits till they don't like something. May 02 04:04:30 lol May 02 04:04:38 Or if it's a really important app, then I generally just redo it. May 02 04:05:19 zsoc: lol, ok. GPL is a good move anyway for the community May 02 04:06:19 sorry. didn't mean to cut into your responsibilities May 02 04:07:33 lol, it's open source... doesn't matter who does it. May 02 04:11:37 preoccupied: right, that too of course May 02 04:18:08 zsoc: what was the main loop problem solution? May 02 04:19:11 jacques: there wasn't one. an outright quit exposed a pulse audio bug and various manipulations of eos and gst functions got tied up in a live_lock issue. Both are fixed in current versions, but these are old libs we're working with May 02 04:19:22 jacques: so i used a horrible terrible hack, that's either really bad or really genius, i'm not sure May 02 04:20:03 zsoc: nice work finding all that May 02 04:20:23 sounds like a lots of effort to debug May 02 04:20:55 jacques: eh.. i feel like it would have been less of an effort with reasonably new libraries :P May 02 04:21:29 yeah, I keep hoping we will see more recent versions in webos May 02 04:22:57 alright. tweaked and reuploaded. I guess now i just sit and wait May 02 04:23:03 uNiXpSyChO: based on the feedback over the last 12 hours, I think we've released Uber-Kernel to the Palm Pre forum at just the right stage in it's development May 02 04:23:43 early enough that other people have been able to get involved in tracking down weird issue, but late enough that there are no killer bugs for anyone. May 02 04:23:56 i agree May 02 04:25:05 still trying to find a work around for users with low brightness demands. May 02 04:27:15 low brightness? May 02 04:27:17 preoccupied: i'm running into various anomalies... looks like another day May 02 04:27:26 hey, looks like the #PalmPreChallenge guy is interested in Uber-Kernel and Govnah May 02 04:27:29 zsoc|away: haha, alright take your time May 02 04:28:19 jacques: some users set there lcd brightness at 0... touchstone charging sets it as 1. so it causes problems :-) May 02 04:29:49 uNiXpSyChO: ah May 02 04:30:16 brb May 02 04:32:20 Do Govnah settings persist after a reboot or do I need to reset it each time? May 02 04:32:44 they do not persist May 02 04:33:21 ok cool. thanks. :) May 02 04:38:59 uNiXpSyChO: just noticed your Location: setting on PreCentral: "Location: Where there are no trolls" May 02 04:39:33 hehe... May 02 04:40:05 rwhitby: I'm using the screenstate 500/800 setting and it doesn't appear to be jumping back up to 800mhz when I take it off the touchstone. I'm having to manually go in and save the settings. Is that a known issue? May 02 04:40:49 WillJitsu: it seems to be. just flick the screen off and on to work-around. May 02 04:41:06 rwhitby: gotcha. thanks. May 02 04:41:34 uNiXpSyChO: no luck getting screenstate to work correctly May 02 04:41:54 pullingj: i thought you gave up? May 02 04:42:27 i messed around alittle more, but for now I'm going to stick with pt.pl May 02 04:43:10 the 30th is a Monday May 02 04:43:18 oops. wrong window May 02 04:43:32 pullingj: i still think you need to visit the Dr. but i understand why you dont want to do that. May 02 04:45:01 uNiXpSyChO: really the only reason i don't like doctoring are call logs and messaging history May 02 04:45:57 yeah. turns out that th inversing problem is pointing at brightness levels from everyone that seen this problem. hey bump up the brightness and all works fine. May 02 04:46:06 does/can the kernel log when the governors change freq? May 02 04:46:08 hey=they May 02 04:48:17 pullingj: i didnt see specific debug code for that but a printk can be easy enough to throw in. but then you would been a custom build. May 02 04:48:28 right May 02 04:48:56 i was thinking a debug message that included why it was changing freq May 02 04:49:12 uNiXpSyChO: is screen state ready for most people? I have a touchstone, btw. May 02 04:49:34 pullingj: now that would require alot of code May 02 04:49:41 yea figured May 02 04:50:00 EdLin: yes. just dont set your lcd brightness levels too low and you'll be fine. May 02 04:50:12 uNiXpSyChO: mine are about one-third up. May 02 04:50:28 EdLin: that should be fine. May 02 04:50:42 uNiXpSyChO: what does having the brightness set low cause to happen? May 02 04:51:34 but I like it set all the way down =) May 02 04:51:38 WillJitsu: people set brightness at 0, and the touchstone screen save is 1. May 02 04:51:48 WillJitsu: hence mass confusion results. May 02 04:52:01 WillJitsu: it, for some reason, causes in inversion of the speeds on LCD on/off. i dont see how that can be from the code but it happens. May 02 04:52:31 uNiXpSyChO: oh ok. thanks. May 02 04:52:38 gak. I need to put preware on the plus so that I get wirc May 02 04:52:44 uNiXpSyChO: it's not a bug, it's a feature! Call it the "pocket warming" governor. May 02 04:52:48 * uNiXpSyChO if i had the source to powerd i could fix this easily May 02 04:53:19 EdLin: at least it doesnt BSOD ;-) May 02 04:53:39 uNiXpSyChO: I need to have a BSOD custom boot screen.... ;-) May 02 04:55:24 http://www.flickr.com/photos/techthis/3297153233/ May 02 04:55:32 looks like it could be done. :) May 02 04:56:12 you will make the WinMo crowd jealous May 02 04:57:11 uNiXpSyChO: I feel jealous of the Pre Plus owners, I have to reboot my phone to run PDK games most of the time. Makes me feel like I'm running WinMo. :( May 02 04:58:11 yes, that's embarassing :-( May 02 04:59:37 uNiXpSyChO: saw someone on Facebook recommending that you "pull the battery before running games". Had to correct that, ugh. May 02 05:00:15 EdLin: should post that to lamebook.com ;-) May 02 05:00:20 lol May 02 05:02:00 uNiXpSyChO: unfortunately, it's not quite funny enough for lamebook..... May 02 05:02:19 *nod* May 02 05:02:28 uNiXpSyChO: especially since some phones really do need the ol' battery pull. Like my Centro occasionally did. May 02 05:03:08 EdLin: my old 755p didnt need it... it just rebooted itself whenit felt like it. May 02 05:03:57 but my 800w needed a battery pull at least once a day May 02 05:04:18 uNiXpSyChO: yeah, WinMo is bad from what I hear. May 02 05:05:03 uNiXpSyChO: my centro booted itself too. I guess I hacked on it too much, I ran all sorts of dodgy apps on it. May 02 05:05:36 uNiXpSyChO: a Lisp interpreter and Ultraphone in particular got along poorly. May 02 05:06:00 EdLin: i had mine packed with stuff too. including that overclocking app (forget the name). May 02 05:06:20 uNiXpSyChO: I suspect Ultraphone caused memory fragmentation. I had to delete it, after I'd already paid for it. Chalked it up to experience. ;-) May 02 05:07:02 pre is down to 15% batt after running wirc continuously for 7 hrs + web browsing.. May 02 05:07:13 jhowirc: not bad. May 02 05:07:16 i actually liked PalmOS... with Fontsmoother installed it looked decent May 02 05:07:22 yeah. May 02 05:07:34 uNiXpSyChO: I never put in fontsmoother. I loved PalmOS too. May 02 05:07:48 uNiXpSyChO: still run stuff in Classic, and I have a Palm TX May 02 05:08:02 conservative governor worked nicely so far for me... May 02 05:08:10 EdLin: now thats old school! May 02 05:08:38 uNiXpSyChO: got it for $100 off when palm.com was selling all their inventory in preperation for killing their PDA business. May 02 05:08:52 jhowirc: how conservative of you! ;-) May 02 05:09:08 lol May 02 05:09:16 EdLin: only to convert to Handspring May 02 05:09:49 uNiXpSyChO: no, Handspring was earlier. May 02 05:10:26 uNiXpSyChO: Handspring was re-absorbed into Palm 'round the turn of the century, BTW May 02 05:10:27 EdLin: oh. my dates are blurry May 02 05:10:41 i had a handspring Visor May 02 05:10:48 and now, with HP buying 3com, Palm has been reabsorbed into 3com! May 02 05:11:07 no wonder they used a borg queen for a commercial... May 02 05:15:52 * rwhitby bbl May 02 05:18:33 thanks for all your hardwork rwhitby May 02 06:04:48 what is the difference between x11 and terminal on the mac? May 02 06:14:25 Does anyone know how often the Govnah icon updates the temperature in the launcher? May 02 06:14:39 i think more than once a second May 02 06:30:56 its just once a second actually :) May 02 06:33:13 is there a command somewhere to do screen state scaling with uber-kernel but to go down to 250 up to 720 or 800? May 02 06:33:24 instead of only going down to 500 May 02 06:38:19 Is the process for creating an ipkg patch documented? May 02 06:40:43 dBsooner: are you about? May 02 07:16:42 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/trans_table interesting stats for frequency step parameters andf scaling I would think May 02 07:37:46 govnah has access to that May 02 07:51:23 hmagoo: the screenstate governor has a hard-coded lower limit of 500MHz until we're able to fix the hang-on-resume problem at lower frequencies that quite a number of people are experiencing. May 02 07:54:39 oil: I'm now running Uber-Kernel and Govnah on my main phone with screenstate governor. May 02 07:55:15 lol May 02 07:56:49 the fact that the screen is almost always off is good enough for preserving the lifetime May 02 07:58:58 * rwhitby bbl May 02 09:49:40 Good morning! May 02 09:55:03 what does screenstate govenor use to tell the screen state, the overall brightness? May 02 09:56:12 it gets from the kernel afaik May 02 09:56:15 when the screen is on or off May 02 09:56:54 because I notice if I adjust my brightness way down it kicks to 500 and I have to reset the governor to get it to realize the scren is still on May 02 09:57:48 well maybe it does May 02 09:59:44 doesn't really bother me, just thought it was interesting so I didn't know if it could tell true scren state. maybe when I turn my brightess to 1 it thinks it's on a touchstone or something, hmm May 02 10:00:08 uNiXpSyChO would be the one to ask about it :) May 02 10:01:15 yeah, I figured that. I'm on crazy hours, it's 5am here May 02 10:05:14 anyone besides me notice a cultish vibe reading p|c? the kernel discussions and some peoples lack of common sense blows my mind. May 02 10:42:40 I am wanting to teach myself php and flash to create websites like www.mafiawars.com. I want to know what software and training sources sites people use for this purpose? Obviously I will also need tools to handle html, css, ajax, java and anything else I would need. I have searched google but it seems there a lot of things available and I am not sure what the best. May 02 10:44:11 w3schools.com is a good place to learn. May 02 10:44:19 Thanks. May 02 10:45:54 np =) May 02 13:23:50 well that's interesting May 02 13:23:54 my phone died last night May 02 13:24:10 while I was sleeping May 02 13:28:10 dunno what it was doing to kill itself from 100% to 0 in 8 hours with the screen off unused May 02 13:33:35 did you reload the battery? May 02 13:40:17 saywhat? May 02 13:51:46 VincentLaw: well, maybe it's just an empty battery? May 02 13:52:36 no May 02 13:52:46 any other time it'd have 80% battery left May 02 13:53:52 Wait. What is dead? The phone or just the battery? May 02 13:54:57 the battery IN the phone ran out of power from 100% to 0% in 8 hours, while the phone was not doing anything. May 02 13:57:31 it was doinf something May 02 13:57:33 obviously May 02 13:59:36 something stuck? May 02 13:59:50 VincentLaw: were u using a custom kernel? May 02 14:00:20 yes I was and that's what has me worried. uber kernel May 02 14:00:35 lol May 02 14:00:36 I just wish I knew /what/ it was doing that suddenly made it devour battery May 02 14:00:43 well May 02 14:00:47 what ever it was May 02 14:00:58 800 made it worse than if u had it at 500 May 02 14:02:02 I had it set on conservative with 800mhz max and 125mhz min May 02 14:02:12 I've ran it at full 800mhz all the time before uberkernel came out May 02 14:02:18 it would still have 80% battery left in the morning May 02 14:02:27 i've never had good luck with the conservative governor on any system i've used it on May 02 14:02:32 usually results in hardlocks and what not May 02 14:02:43 hasn't hardlocked on me yet May 02 14:02:47 ondemand has never given me issues May 02 14:02:49 but this is a weird issue May 02 14:02:55 ondemand causes a lot of annoying issues May 02 14:03:02 how do u know it didnt hardlock last night May 02 14:03:02 namely crazy amounts of flickering May 02 14:03:29 well im not tlaking about on the pre right now May 02 14:03:31 I don't know for sure, but I'd be surprised May 02 14:40:11 mornin' May 02 14:41:00 I'm getting an error when attempting to upgrade Uber-Kernel... May 02 14:43:15 see the log here: http://pastebin.com/snSLfsLb May 02 14:44:39 brb gotta reboot... May 02 14:53:14 Good morning May 02 14:57:11 Good afternoon May 02 15:04:17 good night May 02 15:06:06 *g* May 02 15:25:01 back... still can't get it to work May 02 15:25:55 when it went to uninstall uber kernel I guess I should have uninstalled govnah firs? May 02 15:30:35 I made sure my proc was set to 500MHz then removed govnah... rebooted the phone... still no dice May 02 15:38:42 weird thing is I just reinstalled govnah and it still works. May 02 15:39:07 even without uber-kernel being there May 02 16:06:07 EvanDotPro: did you uninstall the other kernel? May 02 16:06:31 setting the phone to 500mhz does not get rid of the uberkernel May 02 16:06:36 you have to actually uninstall the kernel May 02 16:07:10 there's no way to upgrade it, you can only install from the stock pre kernel May 02 16:10:04 err May 02 16:10:07 not EvanDotPro, Ephreet|Pre May 02 16:10:11 stupid tab completion >.> May 02 16:11:16 well it was under updates May 02 16:11:37 and I think it uninstalled it May 02 16:11:53 it doesn't show up in preware May 02 16:13:25 and you rebooted the pre after uninstalling? May 02 16:13:32 well, if necessary, you can install the stock pre package May 02 16:14:32 actually, the 1.4.x package (depending on your firmware version) is the one that resets everything. The "stock" package is just a way of testing the packaging system. May 02 16:14:52 ah well there ya go :P May 02 16:15:03 oh right May 02 16:15:15 yeah I did reboot May 02 16:15:40 I'll install stock then do the uber kernel again May 02 16:15:56 needless to say if govnah still lets you overclock then it's still running non-stock May 02 16:16:20 VincentLaw: unless it's only to 600MHz, that the stock kernels can do. May 02 16:17:37 800MHz May 02 16:18:08 u dont need super kernel to use govnah May 02 16:18:17 govnah just acts on files that have always existed May 02 16:19:57 EdLin: well technically 600mhz isn't an overclock :P May 02 16:37:14 is the wifi tethering application using ad-hoc mode or master mode? May 02 16:42:02 hey guys is there a simple way to remove a package which preware cannot find when i try to use saverestore to reinstall all my packages? May 02 16:45:02 that took care of it, thanks guys! May 02 16:54:22 hey guys is there a simple way to remove a package which preware cannot find when i try to use saverestore to reinstall all my packages? May 02 17:19:03 I upgaded to 1.4.1 from 1.4.0 and my preware plugins stopped working. How to get them to reinstall/update? May 02 17:19:23 patches, not plugins. May 02 17:23:37 I see that I can update them individually. Can it be done for all of them? May 02 17:24:09 Does the Govnah launcher icon only update the temp. while the Govnah card is open? May 02 18:37:53 good evening May 02 18:40:35 good morning May 02 19:02:13 I feel like uber makes my menu less snappy compared to other options. Anyone else experiencing that? May 02 19:13:58 Rick_work: so I got a nook. Supports the epub format which is pretty decent (and I'll take html, xml, and css over binary blobs any day of the week) and Calibre is an awesome ebook manager May 02 19:16:09 apparently pReader added ePub support a couple of months back, too, so I should be able to use the same books in both places (except for any DRM'd ones unfortunately) May 02 19:20:29 ugk May 02 19:20:34 no win7 on hp-slate?????? May 02 19:20:48 I have peanuts. I am happy. And I am also drinking coke out of my palm beer mug. Which is next to my palm thermos May 02 19:20:50 that sucks+ May 02 19:21:28 for the win 7 slate, they had to play a balancing game and ended up losing May 02 19:22:00 halfhalo: I'm totally jealous of all the swag people have May 02 19:22:16 to keep the price down, they had to go with atom, and all its limitations (like crap cpu, 1GB max mem, crap ipg), and that would have been a horrible experience May 02 19:22:28 heh, I got my thermos launch day. May 02 19:22:42 however, if its possible to install win7 on it May 02 19:22:58 no, I think their going with an arm cpu now May 02 19:22:58 oc80z: on the bright side, the slate hardware will probably be webos, and of course you should be able to run whatever linux you like on it May 02 19:23:01 i'm all about Microsoft One Note. May 02 19:23:11 Yeah well.. May 02 19:23:28 we'll see.. May 02 19:23:33 The problem with going with an x86 cpu is that you lose pdk app support May 02 19:23:41 for note taking, MS 1note is the uNF> May 02 19:23:43 bblz May 02 19:24:03 I won't buy an ipad, but a slate webos box would be killer May 02 19:24:55 also I have a feeling we'd start seeing tons more apps May 02 19:25:12 I'm not getting an ipad (but they are nice pieces of hardware), but I may break down and get the hp touchscreen culv netbook before the webos slate is released May 02 19:26:23 I hope HP realizes that openness is one of their key differentiators over Apple's locked-in world and doesn't decide locking things down more is better May 02 19:27:40 I think thats a given actually… their already used to MS's everything is open approach compared to apples apple-centric approach May 02 19:32:36 ∃x (Student(x)→Angry(claire,3:00 )) May 02 19:32:40 I hate logic May 02 19:32:55 hi May 02 19:33:01 hola May 02 19:34:08 my internet connection is very very slow today May 02 19:34:22 My internet is always slow on the mini May 02 19:34:42 BUT that is going to change since a new router for my room has been ordered May 02 19:34:59 not as slow as mine... Even the 400kb download for the cygwin setup failed May 02 19:35:15 Heh May 02 19:35:19 Yeah... May 02 19:35:40 Slow for me is around 600KB/s compared to every other computers 2MB/s May 02 19:36:09 fxxx May 02 19:36:50 some patch gods here? May 02 19:37:17 I think their all at the wedding May 02 19:38:07 Now, the question is, what wedding? May 02 19:38:09 MetaView: what are you looking for? May 02 19:38:37 I'm certainly not a patch god, but I've written a patch or two, and cleaned up a few more May 02 19:39:22 * halfhalo uses his spidey sense and discoveres pizza is here May 02 19:41:56 need to create a patch which patchs some sourece files (that's the easy part) and installs 2 icons May 02 19:42:31 I have the diff (just creating it) and the icons and jaycanuck told me something about AUPT4 May 02 19:42:38 but didn't really get it May 02 19:44:03 * halfhalo has buffalo chicken kickers and the last coke in the house May 02 19:45:04 You know what always makes coke better? drinking it from a palm labeled vessel May 02 19:45:46 HPalm might be better May 02 19:46:41 meh May 02 19:46:46 have more shuttle stuff than hp stuff May 02 19:46:50 like… a shuttle thermos May 02 19:46:56 and two t-shirts May 02 19:46:59 and a flash drive May 02 19:47:21 Never owned a shuttle computer though May 02 19:55:57 hi guys.. May 02 19:56:14 how can I download doctor 1.4.1.1 to use with meta-doctor? May 02 19:56:48 can't found the .jar of doctor 1.4.1.1 to compile meta.. May 02 19:58:01 dirs: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions May 02 20:02:09 ugugug May 02 20:02:20 download speed down to 300KB/s May 02 20:02:38 Downloading Win XP to use in a vm on mini May 02 20:02:44 make CARRIER=sprint unpack patch pack May 02 20:02:44 mkdir -p downloads May 02 20:02:44 Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file... May 02 20:03:14 yeah, you must download the doctor yourself May 02 20:03:16 6,8KB/s May 02 20:03:34 what do I pay money for? May 02 20:03:46 would be faster useing the pre... May 02 20:03:53 hah May 02 20:04:18 I hit 322KB/s off of my friends VZW pre plus during dev days May 02 20:05:37 God I want mobile hot spot May 02 20:05:47 you can use it on sprint May 02 20:05:59 (if that's your problem) May 02 20:06:11 Yeah, but I'm keeping my sprint pre non homebrewed May 02 20:06:40 speaking of my pre's, where the hell did the plus go May 02 20:06:55 found it! May 02 20:07:16 Lets see…. it has been 2 days since I charged it and it is at… 80% battery May 02 20:07:25 webos-patching.log, where to find it? May 02 20:07:27 abeit with the cell modem shut off and wifi only May 02 20:07:42 MetaView: should be in /media/internal IIRC May 02 20:09:17 * halfhalo just looked at his sprint bill and laughed when he saw how many minutes he used May 02 20:10:33 22 anytime minutes… out of 450 May 02 20:11:12 thx May 02 20:15:39 I've cloned meta-doctor's git, edited makefile and download doctor jar's but it is saying that i'm with a wrong webos doctor :/ "Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file" May 02 20:15:50 did you rename it? May 02 20:15:57 I'm on OSX so also a change xargs md5sum to md5 -r May 02 20:15:57 yeah May 02 20:17:14 No idea… I have been playing around with it on linux for an easier build script, aka one command May 02 20:17:41 can I remove the verification for the same versions? May 02 20:17:59 I don't remember, but I think yes May 02 20:18:09 I havent played with it in a week or so due to finals May 02 20:20:30 I don't have any ideia of bash.. http://gist.github.com/387408 can I just remove line 3? May 02 20:21:42 No… that line is checking to make sure the file is there…. it sounds like the files are not being found May 02 20:30:42 well, I edited some lines at makefile, copied again and seems that are compiling. thank halfhalo May 02 21:08:34 morning May 02 21:08:50 murnin May 02 21:14:07 dirs: the wiki page for meta-doctor says to install md5sum via macports - are you following that page? May 02 21:15:28 rwhitby: macports :/ also seems that package aren't avaliable anymore so I search and found that md5sum = md5 -r on osx May 02 21:15:53 dirs: look for md5sha1sum in macports May 02 21:16:13 like the wiki page says ... May 02 21:17:44 k, will try May 02 21:24:59 hmmm sees that are working now.. but I see one error cause its trying to compile to pixi also... May 02 21:25:19 well, thanks guys.. will try later. beer time. May 02 21:25:21 bye May 02 21:25:37 good morning, gents May 02 21:25:41 and ladies May 02 21:26:01 good morning May 02 21:33:36 Ugh...why don't people read? May 02 21:34:13 If I see one more "nothing happens when I tap the Uber Kernel icon" post, I might just smack somebody! May 02 21:34:49 LOL May 02 21:35:20 RTFM seems to be a difficult task ;-) May 02 21:35:58 that's why we must remind people, especially on irc help channels, to RTFM every day May 02 21:36:10 that's why rtfm got abbreviated May 02 21:36:17 LOL May 02 21:36:48 jwm: well, this is what makes people ask: What is RTFM? ;-) May 02 21:37:10 we'll just switch to lmgtfy :) May 02 21:37:21 *g* May 02 21:37:31 what I hate worse than questions being asked that are in a manual May 02 21:37:43 are questions that are asked in such a way on irc that they are already answered on google, first hit May 02 21:37:53 agreed May 02 21:38:00 now I can understand sometimes I have questions I can't figure out how to word so they aren't google friendly May 02 21:38:04 very rare May 02 21:38:23 I always ask people: Am I a walking Google interface? May 02 21:38:30 but questions that have 12 top hits and all answer it May 02 21:39:09 jwm: The problem ist: People haven't learned to ask the right question May 02 21:39:21 relevant: http://xkcd.com/627/ May 02 21:40:48 Decisions… wether to do hw and study for final or watch batman begins May 02 21:40:58 problem is people don't have patience with "these new fangled machines" May 02 21:41:00 * oil votes batman May 02 21:45:03 oh, oh May 02 21:45:06 I can do both! May 02 21:47:15 I installed a device menu patch that removed the Airplane Mode option. Is there any other way to access it? My data connection is not working. May 02 21:48:08 hold the power button? May 02 21:48:32 rwhitby: doh. forgot it was there too. May 02 21:49:47 rwhitby: is there a way to use preware to remove that patch? it wont' load the feeds due to the data connection not working. May 02 21:50:31 wosqi should be able to remove it May 02 21:52:14 halfhalo: true. I'll use that then. May 02 21:52:24 preware should be able to uninstall any correctly installed AUPT patch May 02 21:52:53 rwhitby: well I know it's capable, especially since I installed it via Preware, but how do you get to the list of installed packages if you can't get past the loading feeds section? May 02 21:53:12 rwhitby: I have preware set to auto update feeds on load May 02 21:53:14 WillJitsu: why can't you get past loading feeds? May 02 21:53:26 WillJitsu: change the preference then May 02 21:53:44 rwhitby: it sits there forever trying to load them but never progresses b/c the data connection isn't working May 02 21:53:56 ok, go to the menu and change the preference May 02 21:56:16 well I got rid of the patch, but data still isn't working. :( May 02 21:57:56 guess it's time for the webos doctor. ugh. May 02 21:58:31 * halfhalo doesn't have batman on the zune… but does have sherlock holmes! May 02 22:06:38 Anyone know why changing the "Data Usage" option between Off and On would do absolutely nothing? May 02 22:10:32 rwhitby: is there documentation on the wiki for creating AUPT patches? May 02 22:11:19 or is AUPT just the method in which unified diffs are applied and backed out? May 02 22:17:19 JackieRipper: AUPT is the mechanism - any unified diff will do May 02 22:38:55 sweet May 02 22:40:11 * rwhitby bbl May 02 22:40:29 rwhitby: and just double-checking... the preferred method for submitting a patch to be considered for inclusion in the webosinternals feed is to submit a unified diff and description to dBsooner's website, correct? May 02 22:41:32 JackieRipper: that's mostly correct, yes May 02 22:42:05 zsoc: "mostly"? What am I missing? I'd like to do it right. May 02 22:42:30 JackieRipper: It is my opinion there's no right way :) So currently the correct way submission to the patch website :> May 02 22:43:00 :) May 02 22:43:09 cool, thanks May 02 22:44:07 I was mostly checking that a unified diff was expected, rather than an ipkg. May 02 23:08:42 If I'm about to webos doctor, is there any reason to remove a theme or will that all be removed properly during the process? May 02 23:09:30 basically you are wiping the OS and reinstalling May 02 23:09:35 yeah May 02 23:09:37 so everything so be wiped out May 02 23:09:38 cool May 02 23:09:39 should be May 02 23:09:46 so no need to remove patches prior to doctoring, right? May 02 23:09:49 except /media/internal/ May 02 23:09:52 gotcha May 02 23:09:57 already backed up /media/internal May 02 23:10:03 yeah, just the OS, not your USB storage May 02 23:10:13 err you already got it yeah May 02 23:34:45 Looks like the data chip is fried on the phone. Unable to sign into Palm profile due to no connection. :( May 02 23:34:55 what did you do May 02 23:35:47 only thing I can come up with is overclocking with the uber kernel May 02 23:35:59 of course there's no way to prove that May 02 23:36:20 do you have a strong 3G signal or are you connecting at 1xRTT often? May 02 23:36:24 before it broke I mean May 02 23:36:51 nope worked fine May 02 23:36:55 perfect signal May 02 23:39:42 hehe May 02 23:39:53 why do people want to overclock their phone May 02 23:39:59 pres are unstable enough as it is heh May 02 23:40:26 too laggy without speed increase :) May 02 23:40:37 I had the 1st generation 800mhz patch for weeks and it ran fine May 02 23:40:43 loaded uber kernel last night and this morning data isn't working May 02 23:40:45 kinda weird May 02 23:42:20 hehe May 02 23:42:29 why then did you go from the 800mhz patch that was working May 02 23:42:35 explain that one :) May 02 23:42:46 wanted the 1.4.1.1 kernel May 02 23:42:51 ahh May 02 23:43:03 yeah I don't understand why webos is so laggy May 02 23:43:07 I don't think it's the hardware May 02 23:43:32 it's syslog May 02 23:44:02 heh May 02 23:44:15 linux runs fine on a 90mhz pentium May 02 23:44:18 with syslog May 02 23:44:27 on what sort of storage? May 02 23:44:28 it's probably java vm + 1200 layers before you get to the javascript May 02 23:44:54 have you tried disabling syslog already, then? May 02 23:45:14 I'm talking about the user interfaces in some apps May 02 23:45:17 like the dialer May 02 23:45:21 so am I May 02 23:45:30 upi May 02 23:45:37 you're saying disabling syslog will fix it all May 02 23:45:44 dialer will launch in 1 second May 02 23:45:45 a large part of it, yes May 02 23:45:57 I'll give it a try May 02 23:46:35 writes to flash are slow compared to hard disks, and there's a lot of data written to syslog May 02 23:50:18 WillJitsu: what have you tried so far with respect to your connection? May 02 23:51:53 rwhitby: well I can't really try much right now b/c I can't get logged into the palm profile. prior to the webos doctor I tried enabling/disabling airplane mode, disabling/enabling data, etc. May 02 23:52:01 1X data DID work if I went into Roam Only Mode May 02 23:52:15 if I went back to Automatic or Sprint, the EV icon would show up for about 30 seconds, then it would disappear May 02 23:52:18 and I had no data service May 02 23:52:42 WillJitsu: there have been reports a long time ago of people loosing data service and having to call their provider to get it back again. May 02 23:53:06 rwhitby: yeah I have read that as well. I'm actually on the line with Sprint right now checking that. May 02 23:53:08 don't know if anyone ever worked out what caused it. this was well before any overclocking stuff. May 02 23:53:13 cool May 02 23:53:44 and I'm not blaming uber kernel by any means, it just so happened that I lost data on the phone a few hours after loading it. could be coincidence. May 02 23:54:10 did you try updating network settings/prl and all that jazz? May 02 23:54:27 halfhalo: yes and it all failed due to no data connection May 02 23:55:33 WillJitsu: yep, but it could be overclocking in general too - all sorts of things can happen when you run a device outside of specification limits May 02 23:55:42 rwhitby: very true. May 02 23:56:19 rwhitby: I would be more inclined to believe it was overclocking in general if I hadn't been running at a constant 800mhz with the 1st generation kernel for several weeks. May 02 23:57:49 WillJitsu: does ifconfig ppp0 give you anything? May 02 23:59:02 sbromwich: can't get webos quick install to detect the phone. I'm at the palm profile login screen on the phone. May 02 23:59:15 ah, ok May 02 23:59:19 WillJitsu: well, the lifetime reduction has to hit an end point at some time :) May 02 23:59:25 rwhitby: ha yeah :) May 02 23:59:46 WillJitsu: but yeah, we should not discount any possible cause. May 03 00:00:40 rwhitby: I was using the screenstate 500/800 in case anyone else reports a similar issue. May 03 00:04:18 * uNiXpSyChO is a little meowy this evening May 03 00:04:31 meowy? May 03 00:04:35 wtf is that May 03 00:04:44 i need a scratching post May 03 00:04:54 I think it means he's horny. May 03 00:05:03 that too May 03 00:05:09 Whenever a girl acts like a cat it means she wants you, I'm just extrapolating here. May 03 00:06:18 * uNiXpSyChO zsoc is a wealth of knowledge May 03 00:06:36 s/knowledge/experience/ May 03 00:06:40 haha May 03 00:07:04 * halfhalo is laughing because he knows its true May 03 00:07:46 I wish to add Bible Reader KJV to the bounty for Save/Restore May 03 00:08:20 Volcom45: 1.) write the script, or 2.) prod someone else to do it, till they comply to shut you up May 03 00:08:22 that's what I do at least May 03 00:08:27 I'll gladly double the app price if I get commitment May 03 00:08:50 wow May 03 00:09:20 Volcom45: unless by 'bounty' you meant something other than a backup method? May 03 00:09:46 I mean the settings saves May 03 00:09:48 saved May 03 00:10:05 like notes, underlining, bookmarks, etc May 03 00:10:58 Rods thread said come here to talk about adding a new app to save/restore May 03 00:11:05 Yes. You could do it yourself by looking at the example of how the others are done May 03 00:11:23 I am not a coder May 03 00:11:40 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree;f=scripts;h=80f66ed5a66bb3c607fa46bee5e9ced8e61475c8;hb=HEAD May 03 00:11:49 It's not really a code, just a script. That's a list of the others that are supported May 03 00:12:00 Volcom45: but the 2nd option works well. Bother rod until he does it :> May 03 00:12:46 lol May 03 00:12:50 k thx May 03 00:31:53 I feel like the menus are snappier with the old unixpsycho 800mhz kernel. Has anyone experienced that? I went back to a stock menu 3x May 03 00:32:41 Nope. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 03 02:59:56 2010