**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 07 02:59:56 2010
May 07 03:02:55 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yes, preware 0.9.99 removes the package manager service
May 07 03:03:09 <JackieRipper> it's no longer needed?
May 07 03:03:15 <rwhitby> correct
May 07 03:03:38 <JackieRipper> why did it make me reinstall, then, I wonder?
May 07 03:03:48 <rwhitby> that's the oddness
May 07 03:03:48 <JackieRipper> I guess #1 is the only oddness
May 07 03:03:51 <JackieRipper> :)
May 07 03:13:05 <rwhitby> ok, I've removed ipkgservice from the testing feed - can someone else now try an upgrade to 0.9.99 from Preware classic ?
May 07 04:00:41 <decourl> hey guys, having trouble establishing inbound ssh (connection timed out).  sshd is listening on port 222 and accepts connections on the ppp IP from on-box, but not over the verizon network.  iptables input chain is 222/tcp friendly on all interfaces.
May 07 04:00:57 <decourl> Wondering if this is Verizon filtering inbound?
May 07 04:02:09 <decourl> (sorry it's a little off topic)
May 07 04:02:23 <zsoc> preoccupied: hey
May 07 04:02:29 <zsoc> preoccupied: i'm on my way out but i need a favor
May 07 04:02:44 <zsoc> preoccupied: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245422-zcorder.html
May 07 04:03:07 <zsoc> preoccupied: I need you to migrate the current wiki to the wiki link from the new app (it's in the support scene) so that when people go there it actually works ;)
May 07 04:03:15 <zsoc> updating the verbiage would be awesome as well
May 07 04:03:34 <zsoc|away> preoccupied: oh, and i need your precentral forum name so i can mention you in the post
May 07 04:03:57 <oil> zcorder?
May 07 04:14:25 <idw2k|wirc> so I just envisioned an awesome scenario
May 07 04:15:16 <idw2k|wirc> HP produces an HP Print app for WebOS and promptly withdraws the iPhone version from the catalog.
May 07 04:15:38 <idw2k|wirc> iPhone users flail about in a futile eage
May 07 04:16:55 <idw2k|wirc> err...rage*
May 07 04:21:07 <sethron> upgraded to Preware v0.9.99 :)
May 07 04:21:10 <chris____> i cant get preware to run on my pre
May 07 04:21:53 <chris____> says " service is not running"
May 07 04:22:46 <bpadalino> that's not good
May 07 04:23:43 <chris____> then i try to restart Luna and it says the samething, the service not running
May 07 04:24:50 <bpadalino> oh that service isn't associated with luna
May 07 04:24:56 <bpadalino> it just sits on the bus in java
May 07 04:25:05 <bpadalino> you could try preware alpha
May 07 04:25:15 <bpadalino> which uses a c service backend instead of java
May 07 04:25:19 <idw2k|wirc> yeah, it would have to be a java restart
May 07 04:25:54 <chris____> so if i restart java maybe thats it?
May 07 04:25:58 <bpadalino> maybe
May 07 04:26:26 <idw2k|wirc> possibly
May 07 04:26:28 <chris____> my pre have been very very buggy as of late
May 07 04:26:40 <bpadalino> might want to doctor ?
May 07 04:27:04 <chris____> oh man the doctor really.......crap
May 07 04:27:12 <idw2k|wirc> is there an easy way to install preware alpha without regular preware already working?
May 07 04:27:32 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: ok, i'll work on it now
May 07 04:27:40 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: i'm "linwiz311" in the forum
May 07 04:27:48 <chris____> and where is the install for alpha?
May 07 04:30:42 <chris____> alpha???
May 07 04:32:58 <idw2k|wirc> I'm looking at the wiki now
May 07 04:33:18 <idw2k|wirc> there may be a bootstrap, but you'd have to have shell access
May 07 04:33:51 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: thanks so much for zcorder
May 07 04:34:13 <chris____> i guess not the gas station shell right
May 07 04:34:25 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: er... thanks.. do you see it in the feeds?
May 07 04:34:40 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: yes
May 07 04:34:50 <sethron> with the mic icon :)
May 07 04:35:16 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: oh. well then it's just me ha. well I'm in bed. better get some rest ;) ttyl
May 07 04:35:37 <sethron> l8t zsoc, sleep well
May 07 04:36:02 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: dude, i just saw that post in the forum....you have competition lol
May 07 04:36:26 <zsoc_wirc> preoccupied: eh. do I look worried? hehe
May 07 04:36:57 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: lol looks like webos internals is always getting in the way of ppl. first the kernels, and now this app haha
May 07 04:37:08 <zsoc_wirc> indeed
May 07 04:39:45 <sethron> preoccupied: what post in the forum are you referring?
May 07 04:40:54 <jhowirc> rwithby do you still need someone to test the 0.9.99 preware? I have the .46 pkg mgr service
May 07 04:44:33 <zsoc_wirc> preoccupied: also, please shamlessly link the official zcorder thread from anywhere you see fit :D
May 07 04:47:32 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: ok, i've done a quick update.
May 07 04:48:03 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: is there any specific things you would like me to include (other then the link)?
May 07 04:51:52 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: i think you should make another post in the pre forum...no one reads the webos internals one...
May 07 04:52:23 * oil_pre needs someone to do his wiki editing...
May 07 04:52:32 <halfhalo> lies
May 07 04:53:02 <halfhalo> Ahh....Hmmmmm
May 07 04:53:14 <halfhalo> Mini says its using… 209.54GB of VM
May 07 04:53:50 <halfhalo> Which is strange, since it only has a 160GB HD in it and no USB HD's attached right now...
May 07 04:55:16 * oil_pre conscripts halfhalo to edit wiki for him
May 07 04:55:25 <halfhalo> HA
May 07 04:55:26 <halfhalo> No
May 07 04:55:34 <halfhalo> Still studying for finals
May 07 04:55:41 <oil_pre> ;(
May 07 04:56:05 <preoccupied> oil_pre: i would do it....don't have time tonight unfortunately
May 07 04:56:10 <preoccupied> what needs to be done?
May 07 04:56:54 <oil_pre> nothing, I was just messing around
May 07 05:00:21 <preoccupied> oil_pre: i don't mind...honestly. plus govnah + uber has been really useful. thanks to everyone working on it
May 07 05:07:06 <ka6sox> I'm turning in my pre for one of these: http://oldcomputers.net/trs80pc2.html
May 07 05:09:05 <oil_pre> nice
May 07 05:22:13 <ka6sox> oil_pre: http://www.bernhard-baehr.de/pdp8e/pdp8e.html
May 07 05:22:22 <ka6sox> 1st computer I ever worked on.
May 07 05:49:13 <FuMan> oh man
May 07 05:49:16 <FuMan> 9.99
May 07 05:52:25 <oil_pre> lol
May 07 05:55:12 <oil_pre> next is 0.10.1
May 07 05:56:34 <ka6sox> 0.9.99x
May 07 06:02:40 <jhojho__> 0.9.99.999.9999
May 07 06:04:07 <jhojho__> whoa irc on the ipad is $8 http://www.pcworld.com/appguide/app.html?id=460300&expand=false
May 07 06:04:14 <rwhitby> based on alpha testing reports so far, I expect the next is 1.0.0
May 07 06:09:17 <hape> morning
May 07 06:10:00 <hape> rwhitby: Is there any information about the upstart service in the  wiki or forum
May 07 06:10:10 <hape> I can not find anything about it
May 07 06:10:14 <hape> rwhitby: is there any docu avalable? Could it be used for this idea => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245265-patch-req-use-espeak-announce-name-incomming-caller.html
May 07 06:10:42 <jhojho__> rwhitby: got an issue here
May 07 06:10:58 <jhojho__> I have preware 0.9.38 installed on the pre plus
May 07 06:11:06 <jhojho__> and preware alpha installed too
May 07 06:11:27 <jhojho__> if I try to update to preware 0.9.99, it wants to install the package manager service
May 07 06:11:52 <jhojho__> preware alpha is version 0.9.68
May 07 06:11:54 <rwhitby> yep
May 07 06:12:00 <rwhitby> just let it do it's thing
May 07 06:12:24 <jhojho__> so it's going to install the service then remove it?
May 07 06:19:00 <jhojho__> all installed
May 07 06:19:06 <jhojho__> yay
May 07 06:31:26 <hmagoo> wow, anyone ever have the mystery cpu usage and evdo usage until the battery dies or the pre melts problem before? looks like java I think?
May 07 06:31:47 <PrimerFender> make stage =D
May 07 06:33:55 <ka6sox> hmagoo, what kernel?
May 07 06:34:17 <hmagoo> really don't want to doctor, but umm... I had uber installed, but have since removed and installed the stock kernel, still going strong
May 07 06:34:38 <ka6sox> bummers...would have liked to find the melting point :D
May 07 06:35:11 <hmagoo> I can't even charge the damn thing without it getting hot, I think USB would probably work, when I get around to trying it out, because it seems like the lowest voltage
May 07 06:35:24 <hmagoo> or wattage or something...
May 07 06:36:10 <ka6sox> do you still have Govnah installed?
May 07 06:37:39 <PrimerFender> I've been using 800mhz kernel since 1.4, and it has become "hot" a couple of times, it gets "warm" when charging on Touchstone or wall/car outlet, and I think it's normal on computer USB
May 07 06:37:49 <PrimerFender> but I've never been scared it was going to cook off
May 07 06:38:04 <ka6sox> computer USB is limited to 500ma
May 07 06:38:09 <PrimerFender> yeah
May 07 06:38:36 <idw2k|wirc> my pre always gets hot when charging, but the cpu itself has never climbed over 49
May 07 06:39:02 <ka6sox> 2 different places being heated.
May 07 06:39:03 <hmagoo> I have govnah installed
May 07 06:39:27 <PrimerFender> i gotta say, huge performance diff, everything is nice and snappy. but as far as battery life I have not really noticed a difference; it hasn't changed my charging habits at all
May 07 06:39:32 <hmagoo> I doubt thats the reason why the evdo being used
May 07 06:39:42 <ka6sox> hmagoo, probably not
May 07 06:39:59 <ka6sox> is this a sprint pre or verizon?
May 07 06:40:04 <PrimerFender> how can you tell the evdo usage?
May 07 06:40:15 <hmagoo> I remember someone having the same problem in one of the old scaling threads last summer, but don't know if they had a solution
May 07 06:40:25 <hmagoo> PrimerFender: the icon
May 07 06:40:35 <hmagoo> sprint
May 07 06:40:52 <PrimerFender> oh, I thought maybe there was some other more scientific way
May 07 06:41:11 <ka6sox> hmagoo, whats the highest you have seen the CPU temp?
May 07 06:41:35 <hmagoo> if I ps -aux | grep java or something it should show all the java apps loaded?
May 07 06:41:52 <jhojho__> woke up the other day to find the pre at 60(!) degrees
May 07 06:41:59 <PrimerFender> yikes!
May 07 06:42:16 <jhojho__> took it off the charger right quick
May 07 06:42:18 <ka6sox> jhojho__, was it on a touchstone?
May 07 06:42:26 <jhojho__> no, just wall  wart
May 07 06:42:27 <hmagoo> ka6sox: I think like 50, I also have jason's temp patch installed so I don't even know what it does at a certain temp
May 07 06:42:38 <jhojho__> strange thing was it wasnt even running anything
May 07 06:42:42 <hmagoo> the 50 was without charging
May 07 06:43:04 <ka6sox> jason't temp patch looks @ the battery?
May 07 06:43:10 <hmagoo> right
May 07 06:43:21 <jhojho__> the conservative governor has been pretty good about not creating high temps
May 07 06:43:34 <hmagoo> yeah unless you have mystery usage
May 07 06:43:38 <ka6sox> jhojho__, thats the one I use.
May 07 06:43:59 <hmagoo> I mean it did not mealt, but my battery did drain for about 70-0 in a few hours
May 07 06:44:16 <ka6sox> I have that happen in marginal areas.
May 07 06:44:21 <jhojho__> prehaps there should be a patch that auto throttles the speed once the temp reaches a certain point
May 07 06:44:46 <rwhitby> or a governor
May 07 06:44:53 <rwhitby> or a configurable service
May 07 06:44:54 <hmagoo> there will be once they decide on ranges
May 07 06:44:55 <ka6sox> jhojho__, I'm trying to characterize the Pre temps so that the Governor can do that.
May 07 06:45:17 <jhojho__> I think anything over 45 is cause for alarm
May 07 06:45:25 <hmagoo> why wouldn't a reboot fix this
May 07 06:45:35 <jhojho__> had the pre hit 50 running mobile hotspot...
May 07 06:45:53 <ka6sox> jhojho__, 50deg is only 124deg F
May 07 06:46:07 <rwhitby> jhojho__: you can get a Pre to 50 easily at 600MHz
May 07 06:46:11 <ka6sox> when the pre is in a CAR it can get that hot.
May 07 06:46:12 <jhojho__> rwhitby: do you remember off the top of your head the operating range for the 3540?
May 07 06:46:36 <ka6sox> TI doesn't give specs for a 3430
May 07 06:46:41 <jhojho__> i know
May 07 06:46:47 <ka6sox> but they DO give specs for a 3530
May 07 06:46:56 <ka6sox> 0-90degC
May 07 06:47:01 <jhojho__> 3530 I meant
May 07 06:47:04 <jhojho__> gak
May 07 06:47:12 <jhojho__> I cant even imagine 90C
May 07 06:47:18 <ka6sox> oh I can.
May 07 06:47:39 <ka6sox> I've only heated my pre up to 65 once
May 07 06:47:51 <jhojho__> anything that's too hot to carry is too much imo =)
May 07 06:48:06 <ka6sox> thats CPU core temp
May 07 06:48:08 <jhojho__> I rather it err on the conservative side.
May 07 06:48:47 <ka6sox> jhojho__, me too...after watching it for a while I think that 65 is where I'd like to start throttling back...the temp spikes in <1second
May 07 06:49:06 <ka6sox> it can jump 9-11degC in <1sec.
May 07 06:49:13 <jhojho__> I watched govnah after taking it off the charger at 60C
May 07 06:49:30 <jhojho__> it started dropping right away
May 07 06:50:10 <ka6sox> mine idles with the screen off @ 19C and when normally working is between 34-45C
May 07 06:50:24 <jhojho__> dropped 30degrees in a couple of mins.
May 07 06:50:34 <jhojho__> pretty crazy
May 07 06:50:45 <ka6sox> the Battery has a LOT more mass than the SoC
May 07 06:51:41 <ka6sox> playing quake with performance @ 800mhz gets it up to 60C
May 07 06:53:03 <ka6sox> jhojho__, I'm working on converting the Survey to a googledoc.
May 07 06:53:14 <jhojho__> cool
May 07 06:53:34 <jhojho__> would be interesting to chart the *lowest* temp too =)
May 07 06:53:47 <jhojho__> I've seen it as low as 17 or 18...
May 07 06:53:53 <ka6sox> putting it in the freezer doesn't count.
May 07 06:54:05 <PrimerFender> I stuck mine in the microwave
May 07 06:54:14 <PrimerFender> left it for a few seconds
May 07 06:54:24 <hmagoo> don't you think some of the other components are more sensitive to temps, that might be affected when the whole thing turns into a hot potato?
May 07 06:54:25 <PrimerFender> and tried to call it - went straight to voicemail
May 07 06:54:33 <jhojho__> no, this was just sitting on the table. I was surprised.
May 07 06:54:51 <hmagoo> trying to call it sounds like you were making a bomb?
May 07 06:55:02 <jhojho__> hmagoo: possible. not well understood since we do not have enough info.
May 07 06:55:26 <ka6sox> hmagoo, the SoC is probably the most sensitive thing.  the Battery would be second.
May 07 06:55:31 <hmagoo> I don't want to use the cpu for long if it is 60C and stuck inside a little plastic box
May 07 06:56:32 <ka6sox> hmagoo, thats why I'm trying to gather as much information as I can.  so we can let the governors start throttling back.
May 07 06:59:03 <PrimerFender> the radiation shielding in the microwave blocked the celluar signal
May 07 07:00:20 <ka6sox> good...otherwise I'd say replace the microwave.
May 07 07:01:43 <jhojho__> preplus is at 22C right now using screenstate
May 07 07:03:37 <ka6sox> okay now the spreadsheet function has the survey stuff built right in...nice
May 07 07:03:48 <ka6sox> no more surveymonkey
May 07 07:06:10 <hmagoo> well, I'm plugging it into usb and going to ssh in and see if I can find whats going nuts
May 07 07:06:48 <hmagoo> I installed Xserver I think and some other things, but never really did much with any of it
May 07 07:06:53 <ka6sox> I use WiFi to ssh into it and keep it plugged into the little round charger.
May 07 07:07:23 <hmagoo> yeah I use wifi too, but charging with USB, think it will be a little cooler
May 07 07:07:41 <ka6sox> oh, for sure.
May 07 07:08:10 <hmagoo> dr. podder doesn't do anything in the background unless "auto-update" is enabled pretty sure
May 07 07:08:10 <ka6sox> well, I've got a start on the survey tonight...should finish it up early tommorrow then post to P|C.
May 07 07:08:54 <hmagoo> you know when I went into jstop "launcher" had like 1000 nodes is that abnormal?
May 07 07:09:37 <ka6sox> dunno.
May 07 07:09:57 <ka6sox> after midnight here...tommorrow comes early. nn
May 07 07:15:24 <PrimerFender> is jstop a command line program?
May 07 07:16:47 <hmagoo> no,  app
May 07 07:17:20 <hmagoo> how do I look at active net connections?
May 07 07:18:14 <PrimerFender> netstat
May 07 07:18:35 <PrimerFender> i will check my jstop
May 07 07:20:07 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: so you seem to have a development background - what itch are you scratching at the moment ?
May 07 07:21:11 <PrimerFender> That's the sad thing, I don't have a dev background, just played with lego a lot :-) I want to compile the apache with webdav so I can transfer files wirelessly using native os clients. And in the process learn more stuff :-)
May 07 07:21:35 <PrimerFender> It was either that, or learn how to program and fix the mod_webdav in Lighttpd
May 07 07:21:42 <PrimerFender> and I figured this would take less time lol
May 07 07:22:33 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: apache is going to be fairly heavyweight for that task if you're considering leaving it running
May 07 07:22:41 <PrimerFender> hmagoo: my launcher has 376 nodes, preware has 537, systemui has 115, everything else is double-digit
May 07 07:22:56 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: what's the issue with mod_webdav in lighty?
May 07 07:23:07 <PrimerFender> Yes, I think so too
May 07 07:23:13 <PrimerFender> but I want to try
May 07 07:23:17 <hmagoo> thanks PrimerFender, my launcher has over 1000 right upon rebooting, but maybe because I have alot of icons/pages
May 07 07:24:02 <PrimerFender> they don't support all the featuers/methods of webdav for 1, and the ones they do have implemented are not fully there yet
May 07 07:24:10 <PrimerFender> mostly writing files and locking
May 07 07:24:23 <PrimerFender> i can read a file, but trying to grab a folder doesn't work
May 07 07:24:28 <hmagoo> think I'll just shut the phone off and fix it tomorrow, thanks all for your help
May 07 07:24:34 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: you've tried everything in http://www.daemon.de/PalmPreHowtoWebdav ?
May 07 07:24:39 <PrimerFender> i write a simple text file that is maybe 1 K, but anything large and no dies
May 07 07:24:42 <PrimerFender> dice*
May 07 07:24:46 <PrimerFender> no folder copying
May 07 07:24:57 <PrimerFender> yeah, that's actually where I started
May 07 07:25:27 <PrimerFender> I can get it working, i've watched logs, I've found their bug fix list etc. and that was my conclusion
May 07 07:29:30 <hmagoo> exit
May 07 07:29:40 <hmagoo> heh
May 07 07:31:04 <ka6sox> quit
May 07 07:31:06 <ka6sox> kill -9
May 07 07:31:36 <rwhitby> killall hmagoo
May 07 07:32:00 <PrimerFender> from the lighttpd wiki: The WebDAV module is a very minimalistic implementation of RFC 2518. Minimalistic means that not all operations are implemented yet.
May 07 07:33:46 <PrimerFender> The good news is, i was able to get Apache compile from Source to work on this little netbook and all webdav opterations work from my mac os x and windows 7 computers so now I just need to try cross-compile and stripping apache down as small as I can make it too suit my needs :-)
May 07 07:33:57 <PrimerFender> and then have a little swith to turn it on or off
May 07 07:34:06 <PrimerFender> switch*
May 07 07:34:33 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: you can use upstartmgr to do that
May 07 07:36:14 <PrimerFender> I haven't looked into that yet, is that a webOS app for running the commands I would otherwise be doing with the Terminal?
May 07 07:38:52 <rwhitby> it's a service that allows you to start and stop upstart jobs
May 07 07:39:15 <rwhitby> so you just create an upstart job for apache, and then use that service for the mojo to control it
May 07 07:40:53 <PrimerFender> Sweet!
May 07 07:41:03 <PrimerFender> I'll have a look if I can get that far :-D
May 07 07:41:14 <PrimerFender> In the meantime, I am off to bed. Thanks for your help, all
May 07 07:54:02 <jhojho__> bbl
May 07 08:35:28 <bigbadblo> anyone on who might be interested in helping me for a minute? re: ez-ipupdate conf
May 07 09:05:13 <Gollyzila|comp> I've been having many luna restarts with Preware v0.9.99
May 07 09:06:04 <Gollyzila|comp> I'm switching back to Preware Alpha. I know, that sounds dumb, going from a RC to an alpha, but for me Preware Alpha was pretty stable.
May 07 09:06:30 <Gollyzila|comp> I've documented my experiences with Preware RC on the Preware Alpha thread
May 07 09:06:44 <Gollyzila|comp> alright now. gnight
May 07 09:33:16 <rwhitby> heh - Preware Alpha and Preware 0.9.99 are identical in every way.
May 07 09:33:36 <rwhitby> that shows how subjective such reports are
May 07 09:36:50 <idw2k|wirc> indeed
May 07 09:40:31 <swisstomcat> morning
May 07 09:52:33 <rwhitby> hey swisstomcat
May 07 09:52:35 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/sets/72157624009973040/
May 07 09:52:43 * rwhitby bbl
May 07 09:52:46 <swisstomcat> hey rwhitby
May 07 09:52:49 <swisstomcat> i'm back home
May 07 09:53:19 <swisstomcat> oh, fancy under-skirt pics of the pre :)
May 07 10:08:56 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: back
May 07 10:09:05 <swisstomcat> cool pics
May 07 10:09:11 <swisstomcat> i'm back home
May 07 10:09:15 <swisstomcat> finally
May 07 10:09:18 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I have two devices apart now
May 07 10:10:02 <swisstomcat> i have the device i received from nebula with me
May 07 10:10:09 <rwhitby> one boots, but the screen is dead.  The other booted for a while, but no longer
May 07 10:10:49 <swisstomcat> a developer from france asked if he could borrow it until he gets his own device
May 07 10:12:35 <swisstomcat> would that be possible or is it already reserved for another dev?
May 07 10:14:03 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: who is the dev?  are they working on open source stuff?  will they come here?
May 07 10:14:25 <swisstomcat> warpdesign, he's on here sometimes
May 07 10:14:38 <swisstomcat> don't know his open-source stance yet
May 07 10:14:59 <swisstomcat> but i can find out
May 07 10:18:01 <swisstomcat> on a related note .. what can i contribute next? translate govnah?
May 07 11:00:52 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I would prefer to supply the device to someone who is going to contribute here
May 07 11:26:42 <swisstomcat> i understand
May 07 11:35:54 <DrFunk> anyone know if there is a patch for email to do a spell check ?
May 07 11:46:04 <en0x> write one
May 07 11:50:37 <DrFunk> lmao
May 07 11:51:09 <DrFunk> en0x: funny guy you r
May 07 11:52:21 * DrFunk off to never never land
May 07 11:53:40 <DrFunk> so en0x you don't know of anything ?
May 07 11:59:04 <idw2k|wirc> I believe autocorrect works in email, and there are patches that add to the autocorrect dictionary and allow you to edit it
May 07 12:03:09 <en0x> DrFunk: what idw2k|wirc sai
May 07 12:03:10 <en0x> d
May 07 12:04:54 <idw2k|wirc> I think that's the best you're gonna get
May 07 12:35:53 <mobgod> hello
May 07 12:36:37 <swisstomcat> hello
May 07 12:38:08 <mobgod> sup swisstomcat
May 07 12:39:04 <mobgod> swisstomcat maybe u can help me looking to see where the pre installs the video files
May 07 12:39:23 <swisstomcat> which video files?
May 07 12:40:22 <mobgod> the ones u take
May 07 12:41:18 <mobgod> my brother downloaded so videos from youtube but to send the files or upload them i believe they have to be where the pre stores videos you shoot
May 07 12:42:11 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 07 12:42:14 <swisstomcat> let me check
May 07 12:43:55 <mobgod> k
May 07 12:45:38 <swisstomcat> can't even find them on my phones usb partition
May 07 12:46:06 <idw2k|wirc> hmm
May 07 12:46:42 <idw2k|wirc> ./media/internal/DCIM/100PALM
May 07 12:47:18 <swisstomcat> i only see pictures there
May 07 12:47:20 <idw2k|wirc> without the period at the beginning, obviously
May 07 12:47:43 <idw2k|wirc> have you taken any videos?
May 07 12:47:53 <en0x> they are in /media/internal/Downloads
May 07 12:47:56 <en0x> not in DCIM
May 07 12:47:57 <mobgod> let me look one sec
May 07 12:48:54 <mobgod> en0x yea but i need to know where the videos are that i taken so i can move the files from downloads to thee
May 07 12:48:56 <mobgod> there*
May 07 12:49:21 <idw2k|wirc> weird. mine are in DCIM
May 07 12:49:22 <swisstomcat> yeah, i've taken videos
May 07 12:49:29 <idw2k|wirc> looking at them right now
May 07 12:49:33 <mobgod> hmmm
May 07 12:49:36 <mobgod> one sec
May 07 12:49:50 <idw2k|wirc> just launched one and watched it
May 07 12:49:59 <en0x> mobgod: the taken videos are in DCIM...
May 07 12:50:05 <swisstomcat> huh .. weird
May 07 12:50:08 <swisstomcat> now i see them too
May 07 12:50:28 <idw2k|wirc> that's what he was asking
May 07 12:50:47 <en0x> no shit sherlock ;d
May 07 12:52:04 <idw2k|wirc> heh
May 07 12:52:54 <mobgod> lmao
May 07 12:53:02 <mobgod> thanks guys
May 07 12:53:15 <mobgod> off to work
May 07 12:53:21 <mobgod> glad i have wirc lol
May 07 13:04:41 <swisstomcat> meow nt4cats
May 07 13:05:01 <nt4cats> pfft-pfft!
May 07 13:30:37 <sbromwich> rwhitby: ping
May 07 13:32:57 <rwhitby> sbromwich: hey
May 07 13:36:16 <sbromwich> the defconfig patches to sirloin seem to be getting overridden, do you have any great aversion to me patching the .config directly?
May 07 13:39:16 <rwhitby> sbromwich: why are they getting overridden?
May 07 13:39:59 <sbromwich> I think I'm making so many changes that there's some other defconfig that's coming along later in the chain and changing them
May 07 13:40:16 <sbromwich> I think it might be the inlining change that's getting ignored that's making it fail to boot
May 07 13:40:21 <rwhitby> sbromwich: your patches are last, right?
May 07 13:40:25 <sbromwich> yup
May 07 13:40:59 <sbromwich> the FOLK patch is the very last one, if I diff the resulting config against the one I generated the folk diff from there's multiple settings that are different
May 07 13:41:20 <sbromwich> including some fairly crucial ones like the inlining
May 07 13:41:20 <rwhitby> can you send me the config you want to end up with?
May 07 13:41:27 <sbromwich> sure, sec
May 07 13:42:06 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config.141-19.1_bobafett
May 07 13:49:05 * sbromwich idly wonders if rwhitby had a heart attach after looking at that
May 07 13:49:15 <sbromwich> s/attach/attack/
May 07 14:01:40 <nt4cats> hmmm "heart attach" ... implying that he has/had no heart prior to said event?
May 07 14:02:03 * nt4cats has long theorized that Rod is a robot, so that would all make sense
May 07 14:10:50 <rwhitby> sbromwich: putting my daughter to bed
May 07 14:11:35 <ka6sox> 11pm++
May 07 14:14:56 <sbromwich> rwhitby: fixing the emergency department to not have a single point of failure (*sigh*)
May 07 14:21:41 <nt4cats> infobot: rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5
May 07 14:21:42 <infobot> nt4cats: okay
May 07 14:22:39 <nt4cats> that is late for a kid, I hope is daughter is something like 25
May 07 14:24:21 <rwhitby> infobot: hammer-time is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
May 07 14:24:22 <infobot> rwhitby: okay
May 07 14:24:41 <rwhitby> nt4cats: she woke up
May 07 14:25:45 <nt4cats> rwhitby: I've got a 5 year-old and a 9 year-old at home, I've figured it was something like that
May 07 14:26:43 <nt4cats> rwhitbu: ... and unless the photos I found of you when cyber-stalking you via google were taken very long ago, you're not quite old enough for a 25 year-old daughter
May 07 14:26:56 <nt4cats> s/rwhitbu/rwhitby/
May 07 14:26:57 <infobot> nt4cats meant: rwhitby: ... and unless the photos I found of you when cyber-stalking you via google were taken very long ago, you're not quite old enough for a 25 year-old daughter
May 07 14:27:40 <rwhitby> nt4cats: heh - that photo is about 15 yrs old :)
May 07 14:27:43 <nt4cats> (and not too many 25 year-olds get put to bed by their parents, well, except for a bunch of the people here)
May 07 14:28:40 <ka6sox> heh
May 07 14:29:33 <nt4cats> is infobot's source code available?  I want to add a feature/function
May 07 14:33:24 <rwhitby> sbromwich: cat: folk/defconfig-folk.diff: No such file or directory
May 07 14:35:31 <sbromwich> uh what?
May 07 14:35:38 <sbromwich> how... interesting
May 07 14:35:52 <sbromwich> I did a git mv to rename it to .diff and did a commit and push
May 07 14:35:57 <sbromwich> let me retry
May 07 14:36:40 <rwhitby> sbromwich: did you update the Makefile to -22 ?
May 07 14:36:49 <sbromwich> git clone says it's there
May 07 14:36:53 <sbromwich> ohhhhhh
May 07 14:37:05 * sbromwich needs to try not updating this stuff late at night.
May 07 14:37:05 <rwhitby> sbromwich: I'll push it
May 07 14:37:08 <sbromwich> thanks :-)
May 07 14:37:48 <sbromwich> 1 question... might "git mv" be better called "git cp"? looks like the original not .diff file is still there
May 07 14:40:17 <rwhitby> 32 out of 32 hunks ignored
May 07 14:40:32 <sbromwich> errrrr?
May 07 14:40:48 <sbromwich> that's all sorts of weird
May 07 14:41:05 <rwhitby> oh, first chunk has a date in it for a start
May 07 14:41:09 <sbromwich> I diffed it against the defconfig after all the other patches were applied, that's the right order?
May 07 14:41:28 <rwhitby> and it doesn't have a file header
May 07 14:41:32 <sbromwich> sleep dep ftl :-(
May 07 14:41:41 <rwhitby> let me have a go at it
May 07 14:41:44 <sbromwich> god knows what I did then
May 07 14:41:46 <sbromwich> thanks :-)
May 07 14:42:14 <sbromwich> essentially what I tried to do was diff my .config against the sirloing defconfig and use that
May 07 14:42:23 <sbromwich> that was my intention, anyway
May 07 14:42:29 <sbromwich> it sounds like... I might not have :-/
May 07 14:47:44 <rwhitby> diff -BurN
May 07 14:48:33 <sbromwich> that's the thing... I'm diffing .config against sirloin defconfig
May 07 14:49:13 <sbromwich> force inlining is I think the biggie but I suspect there's lots of other settings (IVA et al) that are crucial
May 07 14:52:54 <rwhitby> sbromwich: actually, can you look at the problem now we know what it is?  I need to put the camera fix into uber-kernel and get it into testing
May 07 14:55:46 <sbromwich> the Makefile?
May 07 14:56:00 <sbromwich> or the defconfig-folk.diff?
May 07 14:57:45 <sbromwich> ok I see Makefile is done
May 07 14:59:05 <sbromwich> should I patch my config against the default .config after patches are applied?
May 07 15:01:29 <sbromwich> *sigh* I have to head in to emerg I'll pick this up later
May 07 15:01:30 <sbromwich> laters
May 07 15:01:55 <zsoc_wirc> mornin
May 07 15:02:57 <rwhitby> zsoc_wirc: morning WHE
May 07 15:03:20 <zsoc_wirc> rwhitby: 'your excellency' is fine
May 07 15:03:26 <rwhitby> zsoc_wirc: you need to create another thread in the general section of PreCentral with a subject line that mentions audio recording ...
May 07 15:03:54 <swisstomcat> hey zsoc
May 07 15:04:37 <rwhitby> zsoc_wirc: is http://forums.precentral.net/2428123-post10.html correct?
May 07 15:04:40 <zsoc_wirc> rwhitby: I bumped some thread in devel. I didn't want to hijack the others guys thread in Palm Pre heh
May 07 15:05:07 <rwhitby> zsoc_wirc: I took a look at his service code.  it's just a simple call to arecord
May 07 15:06:10 <zsoc_wirc> rwhitby: yes arecord :) also what you said is correct more or less
May 07 15:07:25 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: no word from engineering yet regarding the background services disappearing .. apparentlyt they're busy with other things
May 07 15:09:00 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: once everyone is using the C service, it should be easier to debug
May 07 15:10:09 <swisstomcat> if the problem still appears then
May 07 15:36:40 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: -21 is in the webos-kernels/testing feed
May 07 15:54:18 * rwhitby bbt
May 07 16:09:25 <morphis> rwhitby: you disassebled the Pre?
May 07 16:12:24 <RamsesFSFE> morphis: the Kernel is Linux, and for Linux, the source code is available. It's free software.
May 07 16:13:19 <morphis> RamsesFSFE: I know, but why do you tell me this?
May 07 16:13:43 <RamsesFSFE> morphis: "rwhitby: you disassebled the Pre?"
May 07 16:14:12 <RamsesFSFE> you don't need to disassemble something of which you can get the source code
May 07 16:14:30 <morphis> ah, I mean he disassembled the hardware, not the software :)
May 07 16:15:23 <RamsesFSFE> how can hardware be disassembled?
May 07 16:16:06 <morphis> hm, I think "take a part" is more preciser?
May 07 16:18:22 <RamsesFSFE> maybe :-)
May 07 16:18:36 <morphis> ok :)
May 07 16:43:34 <johnboy_> can anyone tell me why preware doesnt load on my phone
May 07 16:47:17 <johnboy_> preware just sits there and flashes does anyone know how to fix this
May 07 16:56:16 <PrimerFender> BTW, i have 2cats
May 07 16:59:43 <nt4cats> It is unhealthy to have more than 2.
May 07 16:59:45 <nt4cats> (cats)
May 07 16:59:50 <nt4cats> I have 3, by the way.
May 07 17:06:21 <nt4cats> bbiam
May 07 17:40:20 <PrimerFender> unhealthy?
May 07 17:58:49 <ka6sox> My mother-in-law had 21 when I first met her.
May 07 18:03:39 <PrimerFender> wth?!
May 07 18:26:50 <nt4cats> Palm-branded Pre car charger -- $12 at radio shack.  Two spots over from it they had a micro-usb cable for $28.  There is a micro-usb cable in this box (and it came with the auto power converter)
May 07 18:30:49 <loot_> i considered making modifications so that i could install a touchstone in my car
May 07 18:31:03 <loot_> but i think the phone would fall off of it too easily
May 07 18:31:27 <dtzWill> loot_: try it :D. i was thinking about it the other day
May 07 18:31:29 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: that's normal for retail
May 07 18:31:33 <dtzWill> i'd imagine someone here's tried it.....
May 07 18:31:43 <loot_> dtzWill: i could try without mods i guess
May 07 18:31:49 <loot_> it does have a pretty sticky bottom (the touchstone)
May 07 18:31:57 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: pfft!  Like you'd know anything about the retail business
May 07 18:32:05 <dtzWill> i think depending on the surface the puck itself would stay just fine
May 07 18:32:11 <zsoc_wirc> true that
May 07 18:32:12 <loot_> but
May 07 18:32:21 <dtzWill> and unless you drive a race car the phone itself would be okay, although not sure.
May 07 18:32:22 <zsoc_wirc> dtzWill: my friend has one installed
May 07 18:32:31 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: see, knew someone'd try it :D. and?
May 07 18:32:35 <loot_> i do think vibrations, bumps, hard cornering/acceleration/braking would make the phone fall off of it
May 07 18:32:47 <loot_> and i do drive "spiritedly" on a daily basis
May 07 18:32:48 <dtzWill> i assumed you say 'has installed' as opposed to 'tried that' because it works?
May 07 18:32:55 <dtzWill> haha "spiritedly" xD
May 07 18:33:23 <loot_> lets put it this way
May 07 18:33:27 <zsoc_wirc> no it stays well. strong magnet
May 07 18:33:38 <loot_> i have fought several reckless driving charges in the last 3 years
May 07 18:33:39 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:33:45 <dtzWill> loot_: well if you CRASH it might go flying
May 07 18:33:59 <loot_> nah, i accelerate and brake pretty hard
May 07 18:34:05 <loot_> and i definitely corner hard
May 07 18:34:32 <loot_> i push my car as close to 1g in the corner as i can get without losing traction
May 07 18:34:35 <loot_> :P
May 07 18:34:56 <loot_> 1g in 2 axis would probably make the phone go flying
May 07 18:36:25 <gimpy530> Just doctored my phone, installed PW, but now it won't finish loading package info, it's stuck on "Palm-catalog" and the feed manager doesn't list any feeds so I can't disable it.'
May 07 18:36:47 <halfhalo> Heh
May 07 18:36:56 <halfhalo> I push my car right up to the point that ABS kicks in
May 07 18:37:11 <loot_> my cars not stock
May 07 18:37:15 <loot_> i dont have ABS anymore
May 07 18:37:16 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:37:23 <halfhalo> Mines been tweaked a little
May 07 18:37:48 <halfhalo> but it has none of those "fancy" features like traction control
May 07 18:37:52 <halfhalo> Only ABS
May 07 18:38:04 <loot_> i pulled the fuse on my ABS unit on purpose
May 07 18:38:17 <loot_> it messes with me during hard braking
May 07 18:38:23 <loot_> i'd rather have the control myself
May 07 18:38:36 <loot_> pulsating pedals and awkward cornering during hard braking is not fun
May 07 18:38:42 <halfhalo> I didn't, purely because I don't know if I have any brakes left atm
May 07 18:38:45 <loot_> plus i have a stick anyways
May 07 18:38:54 <loot_> hah
May 07 18:39:00 <loot_> ya i have carbon ceramic brakes
May 07 18:39:02 <halfhalo> Ah, see, I have a 4sp auto
May 07 18:39:15 <loot_> and z rated run flats
May 07 18:39:21 <halfhalo> Yeah, I have an older highlander
May 07 18:39:22 <loot_> 40's so they're rubber band thin
May 07 18:39:23 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:39:28 <halfhalo> Its got no fancy crap
May 07 18:39:35 <halfhalo> but it DOES play xvid
May 07 18:40:22 <loot_> im surprised my poor car still runs after the things ive done to it
May 07 18:40:35 <loot_> i red line it on a daily basis going to/from work
May 07 18:40:41 <halfhalo> As you should
May 07 18:40:45 <loot_> every time theres a clearing in traffic i floor it
May 07 18:40:48 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:41:15 <halfhalo> Fun fact:
May 07 18:41:50 <halfhalo> I can crank the wheel and floor it with my front tires in a puddle and drench people for 2 seconds before AWD kicks in
May 07 18:43:29 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:47:24 <nt4cats> http://www.flickr.com/photos/natsturner/4586686685/in/set-72157606446581213/
May 07 18:47:40 <nt4cats> if you look closely you can see my beer sitting to the left of my monitor
May 07 18:47:48 <nt4cats> I think I'll have another one now
May 07 18:48:24 <loot_> lol
May 07 18:51:03 <nt4cats> I just looked closely and this shot of me working has my left monitor 100% occupied by #webos-internals
May 07 19:04:42 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: hahahahaha
May 07 19:09:56 <nt4cats> .. but my gray shirt and dark chair make it hard to tell if I'm skinny or fat
May 07 19:10:22 <nt4cats> (but the 2 beers at work has no bearing on my weight)
May 07 19:23:05 <nt4cats> "zcorder" is not quite as good as "DrewCorder", but I still approve
May 07 19:25:16 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I'm glad.
May 07 19:25:44 <en0x> i'm so sleepy
May 07 19:25:45 <en0x> :S
May 07 19:25:46 <Lumiere_> zsocorder?
May 07 19:27:31 <nt4cats> I spent 6 minutes (in total) on two separate occasions testing it for you.  I was disappointed that I didn't get two or three paragraphs of thanks in the Precentral story
May 07 20:20:58 <nt4cats> Lambic Llama or Languid Lemur or Lofty Lorax or whatever they call the 10.4 release of Ubuntu is pretty
May 07 20:21:25 <nt4cats> (the name isn't pretty, the install screens and stock art they include with it are)
May 07 20:22:30 <nt4cats> I'm still not installing it as the main/host OS on my laptop, however.
May 07 20:27:32 <swisstomcat> yeah, looks pretty
May 07 20:27:41 <swisstomcat> updated my 9.10 machine yesterday
May 07 20:41:30 <nt4cats> train arriving soon, be back online later
May 07 21:27:11 <JesusMcCloud> is there a way to costomize the hardcoded launcher icon on the right side ?
May 07 21:27:52 <kmcmill4> I am having trouble installing preware
May 07 21:28:22 <kmcmill4> can anyone help me out?
May 07 21:28:44 * phil_bw yawns
May 07 21:28:46 <phil_bw> sure
May 07 21:28:52 <phil_bw> unless a mac is inloved
May 07 21:28:59 <phil_bw> involved*
May 07 21:29:22 <kmcmill4> I'll never use a mac
May 07 21:29:23 <kmcmill4> haha
May 07 21:29:26 <kmcmill4> thank you
May 07 21:29:31 <phil_bw> so what's goin on?
May 07 21:29:33 <kmcmill4> im using windows 7
May 07 21:29:44 <kmcmill4> I downloaded the webos doc
May 07 21:29:45 <phil_bw> as am I, so far no probs
May 07 21:30:22 <kmcmill4> i am following the instructions on this site
May 07 21:30:38 <phil_bw> which instructions? (there's a number of ways to install Preware)
May 07 21:30:42 <kmcmill4> well when i try to install the preware it wont let me
May 07 21:30:56 <kmcmill4> tells me to make sure the pre is in developer mode, which it is
May 07 21:31:28 <phil_bw> are you using the stand-alone installer or going through webos quick install?
May 07 21:31:34 <kmcmill4> i'm just not sure what to do, i thought i did everything correctly
May 07 21:31:50 <kmcmill4> im not using quick install
May 07 21:32:06 <phil_bw> generally if one method doesn't work I'll try the other
May 07 21:32:09 <kmcmill4> this site said to use preware alpha isntaller
May 07 21:32:19 <kmcmill4> http://get.preware.org/
May 07 21:32:53 <phil_bw> umm, you don't *need* preware alpha
May 07 21:33:00 <phil_bw> did you try the regular installer too?
May 07 21:33:23 <kmcmill4> not sure, what do you mean by regular isntaller?
May 07 21:33:43 <phil_bw> Preware Alpha is the new version that hasn't been officially released
May 07 21:33:50 <kmcmill4> ok
May 07 21:34:04 <phil_bw> I'm not using it but from what I understand it works well but for you I'd try the other one first
May 07 21:34:19 <kmcmill4> ok so where should i go form here?
May 07 21:34:39 <halfhalo> go here: http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm
May 07 21:34:47 <halfhalo> and then gouge your eyes out
May 07 21:35:06 <kmcmill4> haha thanks
May 07 21:35:33 <phil_bw> did you try the other installer?
May 07 21:35:49 <kmcmill4> I'm not sure what you mean by other installer?
May 07 21:35:59 <kmcmill4> quick install?
May 07 21:36:04 <phil_bw> on this site: http://get.preware.org/
May 07 21:36:15 <phil_bw> there is prewarealphainstaller
May 07 21:36:18 <phil_bw> and prewareinstaller
May 07 21:36:23 <phil_bw> try the non-alpha version
May 07 21:37:13 <kmcmill4> k just did, same screen pops up telling em to put it in developer mode and blah blah blah
May 07 21:37:59 <phil_bw> alright, then follow these directions: http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
May 07 21:39:17 <phil_bw> get WOSQI installed then go to tools, device management.  If everything is setup correctly it'll pull up your device info, if not it'll give an error
May 07 21:39:23 <kmcmill4> you're saying use the webOs quick install?
May 07 21:39:33 <phil_bw> if it'll work, then use it to install Preware
May 07 21:42:14 <kmcmill4> its saying i need web doctor
May 07 21:42:26 <kmcmill4> i already installed tha tand reset my phone, it took like a half hour
May 07 21:43:31 <kmcmill4> i guess i should jsut do it again?
May 07 21:51:00 <kmcmill4> ok I've got the webOs quick install open
May 07 21:51:10 <kmcmill4> how do i install preware now?
May 07 21:53:27 <phil_bw> did you go to tools, device management?
May 07 21:55:05 <kmcmill4> yes
May 07 21:55:45 <kmcmill4> it recognizes my pre
May 07 21:55:51 <phil_bw> does it pull up without any errors?
May 07 21:55:56 <kmcmill4> yes
May 07 21:56:01 <kmcmill4> shows all my apps
May 07 21:56:09 <phil_bw> perfect
May 07 21:56:29 <phil_bw> close that screen and click the blue arrow
May 07 21:56:42 <kmcmill4> k
May 07 21:56:52 <phil_bw> let me know when you're on that screen
May 07 21:56:57 <kmcmill4> there
May 07 21:57:12 <phil_bw> change feed to webos internals
May 07 21:57:15 <kmcmill4> ima t a library and they are kicking me out so i might lose my internet connection
May 07 21:57:36 <phil_bw> well that'll make installing this difficult
May 07 21:57:41 <kmcmill4> haha
May 07 21:57:42 <kmcmill4> ok i got it
May 07 21:57:53 <phil_bw> you should see Preware and Package Manager Service
May 07 21:58:00 <phil_bw> check both of those and click ok
May 07 21:58:08 <phil_bw> it'll show them in the box ready to install
May 07 21:58:14 <phil_bw> just click install and you're golden
May 07 21:58:29 <kmcmill4> i do not see thsoe
May 07 21:58:33 <kmcmill4> wait
May 07 21:58:38 <kmcmill4> yes i do
May 07 21:58:55 <kmcmill4> thanks you so much
May 07 21:59:01 <phil_bw> no prob, have fun
May 07 21:59:14 <kmcmill4> it doesnt look like they are ready to isntall tho
May 07 21:59:26 <phil_bw> did you check their two boxes and click close?
May 07 21:59:38 <kmcmill4> i saw them download, but they are not int he quick install screen
May 07 21:59:58 <phil_bw> uhh, try it again
May 07 22:01:56 <JesusMcCloud> is there a way to costomize the hardcoded launcher icon on the right side ?
May 07 22:03:26 <JesusMcCloud> can one still manually set cpu scaling as described in the wiki or were there some sysfs path changes since the time the wiki article was updated (some time in 2009)
May 07 22:07:10 <JesusMcCloud> (i dont want to install a patch liek this from within preware since i dont know whats happenign exaclty)
May 07 22:07:18 <JesusMcCloud> nevermind i'll just take a peek into the ipk
May 07 22:11:04 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO, ping
May 07 22:11:20 <uNiXpSyChO> ACK
May 07 22:12:32 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO,  can one still manually set cpu scaling as described in the wiki or were there some sysfs path changes since the time the wiki article was updated (some time in 2009)
May 07 22:13:09 <uNiXpSyChO> for what kernel and governor are you referring to?
May 07 22:13:17 <JesusMcCloud> (just got my pre 2 days ago and i know my way around linux)
May 07 22:13:44 <JesusMcCloud> i have webOs 1.4.1 installed (checking sysinfo now)
May 07 22:15:35 <uNiXpSyChO> If you have a stock Pre with no kernel upgrades then the fastest you can go is 600Mhz with the normal sysfs changes.  But the speed will be overridden during normal usage of the phone.
May 07 22:16:24 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO, i dont care about 600mhz (i woudl have instelles your uberKernel package if i wanted to go faster... i care about dynamic frequency scaling
May 07 22:17:04 <uNiXpSyChO> Then use the normal sysfs  parameters
May 07 22:17:26 <JesusMcCloud> so the sysfs paths are still the same
May 07 22:17:36 <uNiXpSyChO> yes
May 07 22:18:26 <JesusMcCloud> thx! that's all i needed to know, will write myself a neat skript now
May 07 22:20:16 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO, one more thing: govnah is basically a gui frontend for sysfs calls and an init skript?
May 07 22:21:58 <uNiXpSyChO> there is no init script.  yes, sysfs.
May 07 22:22:36 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO, (no init skript) so i have to start it up everytime i reboot?
May 07 22:22:47 <uNiXpSyChO> yes
May 07 22:23:10 <JesusMcCloud> in that case i'll go an write my skript, thx
May 07 22:24:03 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: govnah will get init script functionality when we work out how to break reset loops
May 07 22:24:58 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: note that you can look at all patches on patches.webos-internals.org - I think there's a link for the source to each there.  if not, they are all in a git repo.
May 07 22:25:03 <rwhitby> (a public git repo)
May 07 22:25:15 <halfhalo> eww, public repos
May 07 22:25:33 <JesusMcCloud> rwhitby, i did not know that (got my pre 2 days ago) thanks!
May 07 22:25:48 <JesusMcCloud> (why the heck isnt ssh running... it worked before rebooting
May 07 22:26:08 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: do you have openssh server installed from Preware?
May 07 22:26:13 <JesusMcCloud> sure
May 07 22:27:07 <JesusMcCloud> (i am also an openmoko user and bought the pre to hopefully be able to help on getting gnu/linux to run on the pre alongside webos)
May 07 22:27:36 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: I have 2 GTA01 and 2 GTA02 (one of each working)
May 07 22:27:42 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: I did the MokoMakefile
May 07 22:27:48 <JesusMcCloud> ohh nice
May 07 22:28:06 <kmcmill4_> phil bw you still around?
May 07 22:28:07 <JesusMcCloud> in that case: pleased to meet you
May 07 22:28:33 <JesusMcCloud> what do i have to press to get tab-completion in terminus?
May 07 22:28:37 <rwhitby> JesusMcCloud: I get the feeling you're gonna be contributing some stuff, so great to meet you too.
May 07 22:29:09 <phil_bw> ah yes I am
May 07 22:29:13 <phil_bw> dunno why it didn't flash
May 07 22:29:18 <JesusMcCloud> rwhitby, i dont like that... i prefer to be underestimated :-P
May 07 22:29:26 <kmcmill4_> first of all, thank you greatly
May 07 22:29:32 <phil_bw> no prob
May 07 22:29:45 <kmcmill4_> so preware is now on my phone, i restarted it, and its an app
May 07 22:30:12 <kmcmill4_> so now, do i still need to use webOs quick install?  or can i do everything from preware on my pre?
May 07 22:30:32 <phil_bw> you can do it all from preware now
May 07 22:30:43 <phil_bw> unless it's a custom patch/package that's not in a feed
May 07 22:30:53 <kmcmill4_> quick install is nto recognizing my pre anymore
May 07 22:32:34 <kmcmill4_> i tried to reinstall novacom but it didnt seem to do anything
May 07 22:33:12 <phil_bw> sometimes you gotta screw with it
May 07 22:33:20 <phil_bw> it'll go
May 07 22:34:17 <kmcmill4_> so i want to download  a theme, can i do that on my pre through preware?
May 07 22:34:35 <phil_bw> yep
May 07 22:34:48 <kmcmill4_> how do i get ot themes?
May 07 22:34:51 <JesusMcCloud> woohoo restart helped, ssh is back!
May 07 22:35:16 <kmcmill4_> sorry, i'm not really getting this, and its much more helpful to talk to you than look up stuff online
May 07 22:35:19 <phil_bw> have you launched preware yet?
May 07 22:35:25 <kmcmill4_> i appreciate your help
May 07 22:35:26 <kmcmill4_> yes
May 07 22:35:51 <phil_bw> have you clicked anything?
May 07 22:36:09 <kmcmill4_> i did some packages updates
May 07 22:37:02 <phil_bw> click available packages and tell me what you find between "Service" and "Unknown"
May 07 22:37:45 <kmcmill4_> nothing
May 07 22:37:58 <kmcmill4_> its goes: plugin, service, unknown
May 07 22:38:45 <phil_bw> goto manage feeds from the menu and see if either of the theme feeds is included
May 07 22:39:03 <hmagoo> top
May 07 22:39:07 <hmagoo> heh
May 07 22:39:25 <phil_bw> kid woke up, brb
May 07 22:39:37 <kmcmill4_> no sir
May 07 22:39:38 <hmagoo> I can't stop java from eating cpu and battery
May 07 22:39:52 <phil_bw> you need to enable them
May 07 22:42:08 <Volcom45> was told to read the Govnah application page on webosinternals for the answer to my question and I don't see the answer.. is there a way for Govnah to save your governor profile after a reboot? mine always goes back to uberspace
May 07 22:43:45 <Tibfib> Volcom45: it is like that on purpose. to stop bad settings causing infinited reboots
May 07 22:43:58 <Tibfib> infinite*
May 07 22:46:12 <Volcom45> lol for someone that reboots as frequently as I do, thats rather inconvenient :P
May 07 22:46:34 <Volcom45> ah well..
May 07 22:46:39 <Volcom45> still an amazing app
May 07 22:46:45 <ka6sox-work> Volcom45, putting it in a bad governor would be a guaranteed mess.
May 07 22:47:37 <ka6sox-work> Volcom45, put a bounty out on getting the settings into save/restore app  :D
May 07 22:48:00 <ka6sox-work> ~holygrailofhomebrew
May 07 22:48:13 <ka6sox-work> ~hgoh
May 07 22:48:14 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, hgoh is the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew
May 07 22:48:18 <halfhalo> infobot FAIL
May 07 22:48:18 <infobot> somebody said fail was YOU FAIL.
May 07 22:48:21 <JesusMcCloud> uNiXpSyChO, i have a problem: i dont have permission to write to /etc/event.d even though i am root (atleast the temrinal tells me that)
May 07 22:48:44 <ka6sox-work> there...I found it...my foo isn't that broken
May 07 22:48:56 <hmagoo> did you mount -o remount,rw
May 07 22:49:07 <hmagoo> JesusMcCloud: ^
May 07 22:49:09 <JesusMcCloud> aaaah sure
May 07 22:49:17 * JesusMcCloud <- noob
May 07 22:49:55 <Volcom45> ka6sox-work: I ditched the 720mhz patch for this uberkernal+govnah after hearing all the praise on twitter, but didn't realize I'd have to set my speed after every reboot/luna restart again :P sorta alot of extra work
May 07 22:50:51 <ka6sox-work> Volcom45, you would be HATING us if we forced you to Doctor your phone because it got put in a reboot loop because of bad settings.
May 07 22:51:05 <halfhalo> Yup
May 07 22:51:10 <Volcom45> that never happened with the 800mhz or 720mhz patches though
May 07 22:51:34 <Volcom45> I guess I'm a bit unclear on what the difference is
May 07 22:51:38 <halfhalo> It did for some phones
May 07 22:51:41 <ka6sox-work> you have MUCH more fllexibility with Govnah to select different governors.
May 07 22:51:49 <ka6sox-work> and options.
May 07 22:52:13 <Volcom45> I'll learn to get used to it :P
May 07 22:52:20 <Volcom45> thanks for the answers
May 07 22:53:01 <rwhitby> Volcom45: auto-restart will come as soon as we work out how to do it safely
May 07 22:53:37 <Volcom45> thx rwhitby
May 07 22:54:13 <rwhitby> Volcom45: the developers hate having to restart it as much as you do, but we've also experienced reboot loops when testing new kernels and it is not pretty
May 07 22:54:28 <Volcom45> hehe okay, that makes sense :)
May 07 22:55:33 <Volcom45> by the way, huge props to all of you for zcorder, you guys truly are amazing
May 07 22:55:38 <rwhitby> uber-kernel 1.4.1-21 is released to the public feeds
May 07 22:55:55 <Volcom45> that the one that fixes the camera freeze?
May 07 22:56:11 <halfhalo> oh god, now the praise is going to go straight to zsoc's head
May 07 22:56:50 <kmcmill4> i know there are one screenkeyboards, but can someone help me out, im trying to stinall one
May 07 22:59:50 * nt4cats is downloading the fedora 13 release candidate now -- I can never wait for the actual release day
May 07 23:08:04 <JesusMcCloud> ~botsnack
May 07 23:08:04 <infobot> JesusMcCloud: aw, gee
May 07 23:19:36 <rwhitby> you know, I think we've done three Uber-Kernel releases now, in about the same time it takes to watch the SPK video ...
May 07 23:20:10 * uNiXpSyChO ouch... that had to hurt someone.
May 07 23:22:03 <idontwan2know> hahaha
May 07 23:22:06 <idontwan2know> Nice!
May 07 23:22:33 <idontwan2know> And less time than it takes to read one of the SPK install posts.
May 07 23:23:09 <idontwan2know> With the gratuitous use of colored text.
May 07 23:23:26 <JesusMcCloud> i just setup a script for cpu freq scaling... i am really courious if this is gonna work w/o problems
May 07 23:23:35 <idontwan2know> HTML is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
May 07 23:34:21 <RMind> what is IVA2?
May 07 23:35:51 <uNiXpSyChO> Image, Video, Audio accelerator
May 07 23:35:53 <Lumiere> has anyone had the pre screen go green and flicker?
May 07 23:36:16 <Lumiere> they keyboard also doesn't respond that well
May 07 23:36:20 <jhojho_> rwhitby:  have you by any chance measured how much mem is saved by going to C from java for the pkg mgr service?
May 07 23:36:37 <rwhitby> nope
May 07 23:36:40 * rwhitby bbl
May 07 23:37:29 <JesusMcCloud> jhojho, i dont expect it to be much since java is already runngin... correct me if i'm wrong i'm a webos newbie
May 07 23:37:32 <Fuddbob> Hey my Palm Pre give me an error when I try to save or share a picture
May 07 23:38:19 <jhojho_> JesusMcCloud: since no one has measured, you are either right or wrong =)
May 07 23:38:35 <Fuddbob> ?
May 07 23:39:04 <JesusMcCloud> depending on what you're doing you might get better results when sticking to java
May 07 23:39:06 <jhojho_> 2 pres = 2 updates to run each time there is a new kernel...
May 07 23:39:07 <nt4cats|phillies> jhojho_: Jesus' logic makes sense to me, however I'm an empiricist so I that's not quite sufficient
May 07 23:39:23 <jhojho_> nt4cats|phillies: well me too =)
May 07 23:40:03 <jhojho_> one bonus of running at faster speeds is lunasysmgr restarts faster when it crashes for no reason ...
May 07 23:40:21 * uNiXpSyChO Luna never crashes
May 07 23:40:28 <jhojho_> lol
May 07 23:41:01 <nt4cats|phillies> jhojho_: it is crashing for a very good reason.  You looked at it, or thought about it, or something important like that
May 07 23:41:07 <uNiXpSyChO> i suspect Palm will put the new C service in its own cpu domain
May 07 23:41:17 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, lives on another planet where that never happens.
May 07 23:41:24 <Fuddbob> Hey my Palm Pre give me an error when I try to save or share a picture
May 07 23:41:42 <nt4cats|phillies> Fuddbob: which application are you using?
May 07 23:41:45 <jhojho_> uNiXpSyChO -21 does not yet fix the screenstate for low brightness settings does it?
May 07 23:41:58 <Fuddbob> Web
May 07 23:42:01 * uNiXpSyChO i reboot way too often to notice a Luna crash... my kernels crash it for me
May 07 23:42:29 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho_: -16 fixed it enough so it wont upset people.  -21 is an IVA fix.
May 07 23:42:56 <uNiXpSyChO> i am still trying to find a reliable way to tell if the Pre is on the Puck
May 07 23:43:15 <RMind> I just bought a touchstone :D
May 07 23:44:11 <Fuddbob> Any help?
May 07 23:44:44 * jhojho_ wanders off to look at kernel git repo
May 07 23:45:04 <nt4cats|phillies> Fuddbob: This crowd is into Pre homebrew stuff, and is not always the best for general Pre problems.
May 07 23:45:26 <jhojho_> hey this folk defconfig patch is not in unified diff format
May 07 23:45:31 * uNiXpSyChO jhojho might be alarmed with the number of changes
May 07 23:45:48 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho_: yeah.  i think it was deleted
May 07 23:46:22 <RMind> yay for a day of GPS testing
May 07 23:48:44 <RMind> didn't you guys start with the palm kernel and their patches? or was the IVA thing not in their kernel?
May 07 23:49:46 <uNiXpSyChO> the IVA was overclocked...  and it apparently doesnt like that for now.  i;m sure TI will give us a fix.
May 07 23:50:32 * uNiXpSyChO debating on upgrading to Fedora 12.
May 07 23:50:58 <nt4cats|phillies> uNiXpSyChO: fedora 13 will be released in a week
May 07 23:51:00 <RMind> so... the palm kernel doesn't have that fix in it yet?
May 07 23:51:12 <nt4cats|phillies> uNiXpSyChO: I just downloaded the release candidate, will put it on my laptop this weekend
May 07 23:51:36 <uNiXpSyChO> nt4cats|phillies: i had bad luck with pre-release fedora.  i'm nervous.
May 07 23:52:00 <RMind> uNiXpSyChO, apt-get install debian
May 07 23:52:01 <RMind> ;)
May 07 23:52:32 <uNiXpSyChO> RMind: i dont mind Debian.  its anything Ubuntu i despise, loathe, detest, abominate, etc...
May 07 23:52:38 <nt4cats|phillies> uNiXpSyChO: well I'll do it this weekend and tell you how it is
May 07 23:52:43 <jhojho_> uNiXpSyChO: do you know if -21 is now pulling in sbromwich's changes such as the makefiletune?
May 07 23:53:06 <nt4cats|phillies> uNiXpSyChO: ...  but F12 is very nice, too, if you're the paranoid sort
May 07 23:53:15 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho_: i think it is just pulling the prcm stuff
May 07 23:53:58 <jhojho_> the various defconfig patches in different dirs is getting hard to read what is being enabled
May 07 23:54:02 <jhojho_> and what is turned off
May 07 23:54:04 <uNiXpSyChO> nt4cats|phillies: i'm not that paranoid. but fedora seems to break BT A2DP audio all the time.  and i live for A2DP.
May 07 23:54:15 <nt4cats|phillies> 2010-05-07 19:45:32 (1.24 MB/s) - “Fedora-13-x86_64-DVD.iso” saved [3629953024/3629953024]
May 07 23:54:19 <PrimerFender_wIR> hello!
May 07 23:54:27 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho_: look at the makefile to see what its pulling
May 07 23:54:58 <uNiXpSyChO> nt4cats|phillies: good choice.  64bit all the way!
May 07 23:54:59 * nt4cats|phillies makes a note for himself: 'type A2DP into Google later so you can pretend you know what that is'
May 07 23:55:28 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
May 07 23:55:46 <zsoc|souls> nt4cats|phillies: stereo bluetooth
May 07 23:56:07 <uNiXpSyChO> over BT
May 07 23:56:07 <nt4cats|phillies> zsoc: thanks :)
May 07 23:56:30 <uNiXpSyChO> oops
May 07 23:56:35 * uNiXpSyChO foot in mouth
May 07 23:56:49 <zsoc|souls> ftw
May 07 23:57:05 <jhojho_> uNiXpSyChO: oops. I dont think 21 is pulling the prcm patch from what I'm reading
May 07 23:57:10 <nt4cats> uNiXpSyChO: I can paste something zsoc said last night that was better/worse
May 07 23:57:13 <nt4cats> :)
May 07 23:57:15 <PrimerFender_wIR> bluetooth over bluetooth?
May 07 23:57:36 <uNiXpSyChO> nt4cats: nothing can be worse than what i just said
May 07 23:57:36 <RMind> PrimerFender_wIR, I'm sure someone could find a use for it
May 07 23:57:39 <zsoc|mets> nt4cats: please no, at least make him search for it
May 07 23:57:49 <jhojho_> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=kernels/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile;h=b57ba881c2c87c90ac0e408f6bc8b0cf62ed3ec9;hb=77e9ae8eeafd45630269150a58a7ee0c89e3a450
May 07 23:58:02 * uNiXpSyChO is too drunk to use search function
May 07 23:58:03 <halfhalo> god I hate this website my speech class uses
May 07 23:58:14 <jhojho_> oh rwhitby ....
May 07 23:58:43 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho_: oh.  guess its not.  i thought it was... maybe before it was?
May 07 23:58:57 <jhojho_> I think it was before.
May 07 23:59:07 <jhojho_> need to ask sbromwich / rwhitby to confirm
May 07 23:59:24 <jhojho_> i'm trying to backtrack through the patches right now
May 07 23:59:41 <nt4cats> ~rwhitby-time
May 07 23:59:41 <infobot> from memory, rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5
May 07 23:59:43 <jhojho_> too bad preware/build.git has other stuff mixed in
May 08 00:00:33 <halfhalo> Whoever though having an iframe inside of a frame inside of ANOTHER frame should be shot
May 08 00:00:55 <zsoc|mets> whoever thought having an iframe should be shot
May 08 00:00:57 <nt4cats> halfhalo: as long as all of that is floating inside a DIV that's fine
May 08 00:00:59 <zsoc|mets> iframe should be shot
May 08 00:01:04 <uNiXpSyChO> iframes suck
May 08 00:01:06 <halfhalo> Oh, and thats not all
May 08 00:01:08 <zsoc|mets> along with table
May 08 00:01:21 <jhojho_> guess not
May 08 00:01:35 <jhojho_> looks like prcm was never included in uber from what I can tell
May 08 00:01:43 <halfhalo> Theres an ebook portion of it where each page is loaded into the main frame and the chapters/section in its own frame
May 08 00:01:47 <uNiXpSyChO> odd.  it had tags on them
May 08 00:02:03 <halfhalo> and each time I want to go to another page it takes about 5 seconds
May 08 00:02:12 <halfhalo> for around 20 lines of text
May 08 00:02:25 <ShadeS> ur tubes are clogged
May 08 00:02:29 <ShadeS> get out of the tunnel
May 08 00:02:35 <uNiXpSyChO> halfhalo: you need more bandwidth and a quad-core CPU to handle that
May 08 00:02:38 <halfhalo> and then it decides to re-draw the ENTIRE nav tree as well
May 08 00:03:42 <keith> anyone had the problem where after upgrading to preware .99 it only thinks you have like 4 installed apps?
May 08 00:03:49 <keith> even tho you have tons and tons of patches/etc installed
May 08 00:03:57 <zsoc|mets> keith: sounds like your status file is corrupt
May 08 00:04:15 <keith> zsoc|mets: can i delete it and have it recreate it?
May 08 00:04:17 <zsoc|mets> keith: emer recon util ftw
May 08 00:04:23 <keith> ok
May 08 00:04:26 <jhojho_> bbl
May 08 00:04:34 <keith> ill try that out
May 08 00:05:26 <halfhalo> oh.. oh my god
May 08 00:06:15 <halfhalo> This is such a half-assed site…. everything is js….
May 08 00:06:24 <halfhalo> and there are comments in it everywhere
May 08 00:06:46 <halfhalo> AND there are hard coded references!
May 08 00:06:49 <halfhalo> hurray!
May 08 00:07:32 <RMind> I should get dropbear working
May 08 00:08:33 <nt4cats> RMind: does dropbear support key-based authentication?
May 08 00:08:41 <RMind> Yes
May 08 00:08:44 <keith> zsoc|mets: worked like a charm. thanks!
May 08 00:08:47 <RMind> that's the part I need to work on
May 08 00:09:15 <nt4cats> RMind: hmm, I know there was some reason why certain people here chose openssh over dropbear -- I though keys were it
May 08 00:09:19 <halfhalo> And… javascript writing more JS
May 08 00:09:25 <halfhalo> I'm going to go die right now
May 08 00:10:38 <RMind> nt4cats, I saw a note somewhere that you have to enable passwords or something
May 08 00:10:44 <RMind> even if you don't use them
May 08 00:11:08 <RMind> but I like the idea of running a ssh server that's specifically designed for small things
May 08 00:11:16 <nt4cats> RMind: webOS updates [sometimes] like to overwrite /etc/passwd which would make that problematic
May 08 00:12:50 <RMind> boo
May 08 00:14:11 <nt4cats> RMind: those silly folks at Palm tend to think of your Pre as a phone, not as a Linux box
May 08 00:14:22 <halfhalo> lies
May 08 00:14:54 <RMind> best buy didn't have a USB to USB micro cable
May 08 00:15:11 <nt4cats> RMind: Radio Shack has Pre accessories CHEAP
May 08 00:15:30 <nt4cats> RMind: I got a Pre car charger (which includes a USB micro cable) for $12 today
May 08 00:15:47 <nt4cats> RMind: ... and right next to them was a USB micro cable in a package for $28
May 08 00:15:56 <RMind> I just got my touchstone at best buy... and now my data cable is tied up being the cord for it
May 08 00:17:31 <halfhalo> Ok, what are these people smoking:
May 08 00:17:32 <halfhalo> Babysitting Mama
May 08 00:17:32 <halfhalo> Introducing a brand new way to experience Mama on Wii! Babysitting Mama includes a plush baby doll that you tuck the Wii Remote into, turning the doll itself into your controller for the game. With Mama’s help you can take care of your baby and be the best Mama you can possibly be!  Babysitting Mama launches on Wii in Fall 2010.
May 08 00:17:47 <zsoc|mets> ..
May 08 00:18:01 <nt4cats> halfhalo: that sounds like something my 9 year-old would like
May 08 00:18:12 <halfhalo> oh, and:
May 08 00:18:13 <halfhalo> Crafting Mama
May 08 00:18:13 <halfhalo> Mama returns in an entirely new experience that will challenge your creativity. Join Mama and her award-winning formula of addictive, stylus-based activities as you sew, mold, paint, cut and much more.  Launching on the DS in Fall 2010, Crafting Mama, is the only dedicated crafting game that features 40 different craft projects so you make a new creation every time! 
May 08 00:18:30 <nt4cats> halfhalo: that sounds like something my 9 year-old would like
May 08 00:18:47 <halfhalo> Majesco needs to die
May 08 00:18:53 <zsoc|mets> nt4cats: lets avoid that sort of talk
May 08 00:19:32 <halfhalo> theres also a 'swords' on and a 'zumba fitness' entry as well
May 08 00:19:48 <halfhalo> I am NOT going to this booth
May 08 00:20:30 <halfhalo> But their better than the 'BattleStar Galactica browser based mmo' email I got
May 08 00:21:13 <zsoc> demon's souls is /hard/
May 08 00:21:17 * nt4cats is a little bit BSG-crazy
May 08 00:22:13 * nt4cats 's laptop hostname is 'cylon' and his VMs are baltar, anders, boomer, and tigh
May 08 00:22:20 <halfhalo> Oh,  also have an email about 'The first video game from mexico!"
May 08 00:23:15 <halfhalo> We’re excited to debut the first preview for Battlestar Galactica Online at E3 2010. We look forward to fitting into your busy schedules and will be located conveniently in [HAHAHA not posting location]. Please contact me to book your appointment and see the next generation of browser-based mmo gaming with one of the most beloved Syfy franchises
May 08 00:23:41 <halfhalo> oh god… konami....
May 08 00:23:50 <zsoc> halfhalo: going to e3? give me 3ds impressions plox
May 08 00:24:00 <halfhalo> yeah, going to e3 as media
May 08 00:24:16 <halfhalo> there.. will… be… wrestling...
May 08 00:24:54 <zsoc> halfhalo: come back with 3ds impressions, i phear videos won't really uh... work so well
May 08 00:25:23 <halfhalo> heh, send me money for a camera and I'll send pics
May 08 00:26:00 <jhojho_> dropbear does not automatically look inside .ssh for keys
May 08 00:26:36 <jhojho_> which causes issues with GIT_SSH (GIT_SSH does not take additional params)
May 08 00:27:08 <jhojho_> so if you want to use dropbear + git, u need a wrapper script
May 08 00:28:24 <zsoc> halfhalo: nah, just want your hands-on opinion :)
May 08 00:29:36 <halfhalo> hah
May 08 00:29:46 <halfhalo> I still need money for the camera damit
May 08 00:30:05 <halfhalo> Lets see… I get paid the 15th… and the event starts the 14th...
May 08 00:30:11 <RMind> use pre as camera?
May 08 00:30:21 <RMind> that's what credit cards are for?
May 08 00:30:38 <halfhalo> Don'y like using cc's that much
May 08 00:30:43 <halfhalo> thinking either this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PENTAX+-+K-x+12.4-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+-+Black/9555787.p?id=1218123849483&skuId=9555787
May 08 00:31:04 <halfhalo> or this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Olympus+-+12.3-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/9769158.p?id=1218170032854&skuId=9769158
May 08 00:32:20 <RMind> halfhalo, if you're buying a SLR choose very carefully and shop based on lenses available
May 08 00:32:48 <RMind> the camera body can be replaced... it's the lenses that are the real investment
May 08 00:33:37 <halfhalo> well, right now I just need a stopgap camera for E3, assuming I can't steal my works camera
May 08 00:34:08 <RMind> then I wouldn't suggest spending the money on a real SLR
May 08 00:34:10 <Spyral> I wanna go to E3...
May 08 00:34:33 <halfhalo> I NEED an SLR though, since their for media pics
May 08 00:35:13 <RMind> you don't need an SLR to get a good picture
May 08 00:35:23 <zsoc> especially if there's decent lighting already
May 08 00:35:29 <halfhalo> HA
May 08 00:35:33 <halfhalo> Decent lighting?
May 08 00:35:41 <zsoc> i guess there isn't?
May 08 00:35:43 * zsoc shrugs
May 08 00:36:50 <zsoc> who owns the cia bot?
May 08 00:36:54 <RMind> if you actually NEED an SLR then you NEED to spend 5K+ on camera and lenses
May 08 00:37:08 <RMind> otherwise you don't really need an slr
May 08 00:37:19 <RMind> but I *might* be a bit of a snob on the subject
May 08 00:38:42 <RMind> boo
May 08 00:38:45 <halfhalo> ok, wth
May 08 00:39:00 <RMind> halfhalo, you just missed me being a complete camera snob
May 08 00:39:11 <halfhalo> meh
May 08 00:39:56 <Spyral> lol
May 08 00:47:08 <RMind> now that I don't have a data cable I really need to set up another file and terminal access method :(
May 08 00:47:43 <zsoc> RMind: buy 10 of them from monoprice.. they are around 91 cents a piece
May 08 00:47:48 <zsoc> iirc
May 08 00:48:35 <RMind> zsoc, I want something to hold me over till I do get a cable and I've been meaning to set up cable-less access anyway
May 08 00:53:17 <nt4cats> that wasn't smart
May 08 00:58:03 <nt4cats> I just terminated 1/3 of my hadoop slave nodes while it was in the middle of processing a job
May 08 00:58:40 <nt4cats> ... now it is going to thrash about for 10 minutes before it realizes that job is dead.  Poop.
May 08 00:59:27 <nt4cats> If I would have dropped them 1 at a time it'd have been fine (or waited until the cluster was idle)
May 08 00:59:28 <zsoc> ouch
May 08 01:01:08 <nt4cats> zsoc: no real harm, I've engineered this pretty well so it can be restarted easily ... but ... wow ... it looks like Hadoop is continuing the job.
May 08 01:01:21 <nt4cats> maybe not ... it is trying to ...
May 08 01:02:55 <zsoc> doop doop da doop
May 08 01:07:34 <nt4cats> wow, this job recovered.  F*ck me sideways with a lunchbox!
May 08 01:08:40 <RMind> nt4cats, that sounds painful, but you might be able to make money doing it
May 08 01:08:57 <nt4cats> RMind: only if I'm willing to do it on camera ...
May 08 01:09:25 <RMind> LOL
May 08 01:20:52 <Lumiere> is there anyone here who can help me diagnose my pre?
May 08 01:21:20 <nt4cats> Lumiere: tell us more about your problem and if anyone can help you I'm sure someone will
May 08 01:22:40 <Lumiere> my pre's screen is offset (and old tv-style scrolling)
May 08 01:22:58 <Lumiere> and the colors are wrong mostly bright green
May 08 01:23:30 <nt4cats> Lumiere: ouch.  I can't help myself, but maybe someone else here can ...
May 08 01:23:50 <zsoc> sounds like a ribbon
May 08 01:23:55 <Lumiere> I am really hoping not to do a second warranty replacement
May 08 01:23:57 <Lumiere> in a month
May 08 01:24:06 <Spyral> when did it start?
May 08 01:24:09 <Lumiere> just today
May 08 01:24:13 <Lumiere> out of the blue
May 08 01:25:10 <Spyral> in the event it's a ribbon, like zsoc claims, you may have no choice but to warranty it
May 08 01:25:12 <ka6sox-work> Lumiere, close the slider and see if the colors change
May 08 01:25:23 <Lumiere> ka6sox-work: that was with slider closed
May 08 01:25:33 <ka6sox-work> open it then and see if it chnges.
May 08 01:25:40 <Lumiere> hmm
May 08 01:25:43 <Lumiere> working right open
May 08 01:25:51 <ka6sox-work> cable.
May 08 01:25:53 <nt4cats> Jamie Moyer just completed a 2-hit complete game shutout.  The oldest player ever to throw a shutout.
May 08 01:26:02 <Lumiere> ugh
May 08 01:26:13 <Lumiere> but open the touch isn't quite righte
May 08 01:26:23 <ka6sox-work> cabler
May 08 01:26:26 <ka6sox-work> er cable
May 08 01:26:47 <Lumiere> looks like i know what I am doing this weekend
May 08 01:26:55 <nt4cats> save/restore
May 08 01:26:57 <Lumiere> ka6sox-work: is there a place where I can figure out how to manually activate USB mode
May 08 01:27:23 <Lumiere> to grab my save/restore and package list
May 08 01:27:31 <Spyral> ALT + SYM + U  (?)
May 08 01:27:49 <Lumiere> alt is orange opt key?
May 08 01:28:00 <nt4cats> Lumiere: there is a key sequence for that (googling)
May 08 01:28:10 <Spyral> yeah. Orange or White depending upon device
May 08 01:28:24 <nt4cats> Lumiere: http://www.precentral.net/quick-tip-accessing-usb-mode-dead-screen
May 08 01:28:49 <Spyral> hey look at that, I was right
May 08 01:29:00 <Lumiere> thx
May 08 01:29:04 <nt4cats> Lumiere: are you Sprint or Verizon?
May 08 01:29:08 <Lumiere> sprint
May 08 01:29:35 <nt4cats> Then your Option key (rendered as 'ALT' above) is orange
May 08 01:30:21 <Lumiere> err
May 08 01:30:24 <Lumiere> not working?
May 08 01:30:33 <Spyral> did you plug it in yet?
May 08 01:30:38 <Lumiere> yea
May 08 01:31:17 <Lumiere> let me reboot it
May 08 01:31:18 <nt4cats> I thought there was also a way to get it into usb mode on restart, too
May 08 01:31:50 <Spyral> when you plug it in, does it show the popup to choose USB or 'Just Charge"?
May 08 01:32:38 <Lumiere> I have the charge by default patch
May 08 01:32:41 <Lumiere> I hate that popup
May 08 01:32:52 <Spyral> the patch might interfere
May 08 01:32:56 <Spyral> *shrug*
May 08 01:33:04 <Lumiere> well
May 08 01:33:12 <Lumiere> let me try getting logged in at least
May 08 01:33:16 <Lumiere> (rebooting atm)
May 08 01:34:51 <Lumiere> interesting
May 08 01:34:56 <Lumiere> now it's working normally again <_
May 08 01:34:57 <Spyral> Anyone here use TweetMe?
May 08 01:34:57 <Lumiere> <
May 08 01:35:05 <Spyral> hm
May 08 01:35:43 <Spyral> no weird video problems?
May 08 01:53:58 <rwhitby> jhojho: prcm has not yet been included in uber
May 08 01:58:07 <rwhitby> So I just got to test the robustness of the kernel update process.
May 08 01:58:22 <rwhitby> I walked out of my wifi range while updating uber-kernel on my production phone
May 08 01:58:53 <zsoc> esplocivo
May 08 01:59:17 <rwhitby> so the download hung and didn't recover
May 08 01:59:48 <rwhitby> reset the phone, it was back at stock kernel as designed.  reinstall uber, done.
May 08 02:00:06 <zsoc> yay
May 08 02:00:15 <Spyral> *champagne*
May 08 02:00:31 <zsoc> Palm Pre is like an erector set for adults.
May 08 02:00:49 * rwhitby wonders what an erector set is ...
May 08 02:00:56 <Spyral> lawl
May 08 02:00:59 <zsoc> rwhitby: oh? an american thing then i take it?
May 08 02:01:07 <halfhalo> hah
May 08 02:01:23 <rwhitby> oh, is it like meccano ?
May 08 02:01:44 <zsoc> rwhitby: http://www.samstoybox.com/toypics/ErectorSetBox.jpg
May 08 02:01:59 <Spyral> exactly rwhitby
May 08 02:02:01 <zsoc> according to google images, yes it seems similar
May 08 02:02:18 <Spyral> hell. I haven't seen a set in stores for yeeears
May 08 02:02:33 <zsoc> or maybe like a heath kit? :>
May 08 02:14:54 <jacques_pre> howdy
May 08 02:15:58 <rwhitby> hey jacques_pre
May 08 02:16:52 <jacques_pre> on the road again
May 08 02:18:25 <jacques_pre> I'm running brightness unlinked, but I can't figure out how to get the notification to go away without exiting the app
May 08 02:19:15 <jacques_pre> now I understand why ppl run at 0 screen brightness
May 08 02:19:38 <jacques_pre> in a dark car it's appropriate
May 08 02:21:34 <jacques_pre> ~~~
May 08 02:21:51 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, OTR again?
May 08 02:22:29 <jacques_pre> ka6sox: yep, but just for the weekend
May 08 02:23:15 <ka6sox> hopefully for fun!
May 08 02:23:59 <jacques_pre> that's the plan!
May 08 02:29:46 <morrison0880> g
May 08 02:30:35 <rwhitby> hi morrison0880
May 08 02:30:54 <rwhitby> morrison0880: thanks for offering to do real conclusive comparative testing on this universal search issue
May 08 02:31:24 <rwhitby> morrison0880: very few people seem to want to get to the bottom of things like that, so we appreciate the effort you're going to
May 08 02:32:27 <rwhitby> morrison0880: do you have a command line on the other phone which still exhibits the problem?
May 08 02:33:05 <morrison0880> ahhhhhh
May 08 02:34:10 <rwhitby> morrison0880: do you have wosqi or novaterm or something?
May 08 02:34:24 <morrison0880> 1 sec
May 08 02:34:28 <rwhitby> ok
May 08 02:35:04 <morrison0880> Ok.  Shoot
May 08 02:35:29 <rwhitby> md5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr
May 08 02:35:43 <rwhitby> (is it a Sprint 1.4.1 device?)
May 08 02:35:48 <morrison0880> Yeah
May 08 02:35:51 <morrison0880> af9f1883e7b1f07e479d120971e99c58  /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr
May 08 02:36:21 <rwhitby> md5sum /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager
May 08 02:36:36 <morrison0880> 2edc15faf767d2c251559c9626e5703a  /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager
May 08 02:37:41 <rwhitby> ok, that matches the 1.4.0 LunaSysMgr md5sum
May 08 02:38:15 <rwhitby> and the PmNetConfigManager is the same in both 1.4.0 and 1.4.1.1, so that one doesn't matter
May 08 02:38:27 <morrison0880> ok
May 08 02:38:36 <rwhitby> morrison0880: so on that phone, you had SPK installed, then updated to 1.4.1, then uninstalled SPK, correct?
May 08 02:40:59 <morrison0880> No.  I was using the original 800 MHz patch by unixpsycho and caj2008.  Installed when running 1.4.0.  Didn't uninstall when 1.4.1 update came along.  Wanted to test what would happen.  Everything ran fine, until I decided to uninstall and then install UK and Govnah. ...
May 08 02:41:21 <morrison0880> At first I tried to install UK, but I got an IPKG error
May 08 02:41:33 <morrison0880> So, I installed one of the recovery kernels
May 08 02:41:53 <morrison0880> That seemed to work, as I was then able to install UK and Govnah
May 08 02:42:03 <rwhitby> morrison0880: ok, same thing.  all the scripts, packages and applications released by caj2008 had exactly the uninstall script, which simply didn't work.
May 08 02:42:06 <morrison0880> And when the phone reset.  US was gone.
May 08 02:42:39 <rwhitby> morrison0880: do you want to do a completely conclusive final test on this to prove it 110% ?
May 08 02:42:42 <morrison0880> gotcha
May 08 02:42:50 <morrison0880> sure
May 08 02:43:21 <morrison0880> 110% is a mathematical  impossibility, but I'll try
May 08 02:43:26 <rwhitby> I just looked back through my email, and the first time I told caj2008 that his method of packaging would cause problems in the future was 24 Feb ...
May 08 02:44:00 <rwhitby> morrison0880: do you know how to transfer files on and off the device using WebOS Quick Install ?
May 08 02:44:06 <morrison0880> yeah
May 08 02:44:43 <rwhitby> morrison0880: and you have 1.4.1 running correctly on your phone, right?
May 08 02:45:05 <rwhitby> and 1.4.1 with the bad LunaSysMgr killing universal search on the other phone, right?
May 08 02:45:14 <morrison0880> 1.4.1.1
May 08 02:45:28 <rwhitby> right, 1.4.1.1 sprint
May 08 02:45:33 <morrison0880> yup
May 08 02:45:47 <rwhitby> ok, first, you want to backup the correct LunaSysMgr file from your good pre
May 08 02:45:54 <rwhitby> (cause you'll want to put it back later)
May 08 02:46:13 <rwhitby> can you run md5sum on your desktop machine to check that it has transferred correctly?
May 08 02:47:52 <morrison0880> Uhh.  Ok, maybe I do need some instructions =)
May 08 02:48:19 <rwhitby> oh, actually, we don't need to do that anyway, we can back it up on the device.
May 08 02:48:28 <morrison0880> ok
May 08 02:48:29 <rwhitby> in the wosqi command line, do the following
May 08 02:50:56 <rwhitby> cp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig
May 08 02:51:43 <morrison0880> done
May 08 02:52:19 <rwhitby> md5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig
May 08 02:53:44 <Ephreet|Pre> evening
May 08 02:53:49 <morrison0880> af9f1883e7b1f07e479d120971e99c58  /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig   Phone seems to be rebooting
May 08 02:54:11 <rwhitby> morrison0880: that should not cause a reboot
May 08 02:54:32 <morrison0880> ok.  I just see the palm screen
May 08 02:54:36 <rwhitby> morrison0880: oh, this should be on your good phone, not your bad phone
May 08 02:54:59 <morrison0880> hahahaha.  Ok, let me switch and redo
May 08 02:55:18 <rwhitby> let me know the md5sum when you get to that point
May 08 02:56:23 <Ephreet|Pre> so are there any hacks that I don't know about that can allow 3rd party apps to use verizons agps?
May 08 02:57:20 <Ephreet|Pre> I just switched to this phone from a winmo phone and they had a way to do it.
May 08 02:57:57 <morrison0880> Ok, phone just shut off.  Here is what I see
May 08 02:58:10 <morrison0880> root@palm-webos-device: cp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr   BusyBox v1.11.2 () multi-call binary root@palm-webos-device: /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig   ** Message: App to allow in Low memory: com.palm.app.phone   ** Message: App to allow in Low memory: com.palm.app.contacts   ** Message: App to allow in Low memory: com.palm.app.messaging root@palm-webos-device:
May 08 02:58:54 <rwhitby> morrison0880: is that the good phone or bad phone ?
May 08 02:58:57 <Ephreet|Pre> I say "hacks" but I really mean patches I guess...
May 08 02:59:04 <morrison0880> good
May 08 02:59:24 <morrison0880> It does ha UK installed.  Not sure if that would affect anything
May 08 02:59:28 <rwhitby> morrison0880: nope
May 08 02:59:35 <rwhitby> morrison0880: run the following first:
May 08 02:59:42 <rwhitby> rootfs_open -w
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