**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 09 02:59:56 2010
May 09 03:07:46 <decourl> I'm looking for a technique to inject keyboard input from the shell, because I would like to be able to SMS from a real keyboard.
May 09 03:17:46 <decourl> ... or alternatively for a CLI SMS tool, should be one no?
May 09 03:25:50 <jhojho__> palm says bluetooth spp support coming
May 09 03:28:23 <decourl> yeah that looks cool
May 09 04:35:13 <FuMan> sbromwich, i imagine you are aware of this, seeing as the epic
May 09 04:35:18 <FuMan> but eeeeeeeeeeeeeepic battery drain on boba
May 09 05:38:11 <dtzWill> hey so looking at the various kernel modules--which ones are proprietary?
May 09 05:38:45 <dtzWill> looking at them, 11/13 (the 2 wifi ones) report they're GPL licensed
May 09 05:39:26 <dtzWill> does anyone know where that source for those is located?
May 09 05:40:19 <dtzWill> the dspbridge and tisgxgfx drivers in particular (the rest are from the kernel source)
May 09 05:41:45 <dtzWill> hmm their exmap is /the/ exmap so we could built that if we were so inlcined (but hardly crucial heh)
May 09 05:42:16 <dtzWill> well but if we had the source for all these we could, for example, poke at migrating to newer kernels/break ABI compat
May 09 05:48:35 <dtzWill> the opensource documentation mentions they use parts of the 'tisgxgfx' open source code... but googling that just hits pieces of palm-pre related stuff, mostly on p|c :)
May 09 05:48:44 <dtzWill> anyway curious what you all know about that
May 09 05:49:44 <Decimate> yes, guys, im trying to figure out how to root my pre. is this the pre-people irc?
May 09 05:49:52 <decourl> yes
May 09 05:50:15 <decourl> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
May 09 05:50:29 <Decimate> will this work on my ipod touch?
May 09 05:50:45 <halfhalo_T400> ummm... no?
May 09 05:50:52 <dtzWill> (i'm sure i'm not the first to notice this heh)
May 09 05:51:27 <Decimate> lol, i guess theres a new bunch of people in the webos-internals irc than when i last joined
May 09 05:51:31 <Decimate> btw, im joking guys.
May 09 05:51:40 <Decimate> very helpful though decourl :)
May 09 05:51:45 <halfhalo_T400> Oh god I was so worried you wern't
May 09 05:51:56 <halfhalo_T400> DONT SCARE ME LIKE THAT
May 09 05:51:59 <Decimate> dtzWill was here though, so thats reassuring.
May 09 05:52:33 <dtzWill> Decimate: hello :). same group mostly, just different people being talkative...
May 09 05:52:55 <halfhalo_T400> Elephant
May 09 05:53:05 <dtzWill> Decimate: glad i make you feel reassured :)
May 09 05:53:09 * dtzWill wanders off
May 09 05:53:26 <Decimate> dtzWill: yeah, guess so. get this...i've been using my phone...get this, WITHOUT MODDING IT EVERY 5 SECONDS
May 09 05:53:27 <Decimate> its weird.
May 09 05:53:40 * halfhalo_T400 is still looking at camera reviews
May 09 05:53:55 * Decimate is awkwardly confused as to who to talk to now that he's gone :/
May 09 05:54:07 <halfhalo_T400> yourself?
May 09 05:54:50 <Decimate> its looking like thats my only choice
May 09 05:55:11 <halfhalo_T400> yup
May 09 05:55:17 <halfhalo_T400> Dammit, I need money now
May 09 05:55:46 <Decimate> quick question for any experts, is it still safe to use that old 800mhz ipk i installed i bit back, even though there is this uberkernel thing. (this is going to rwhitby or someone else knowledgable)
May 09 05:56:00 <halfhalo_T400> stupid sale on camera that I want while I have no monies
May 09 06:16:06 <nic_> i have a problem with my preware on the pixi. ca you help me please?
May 09 06:17:05 <nic_> can you help please?
May 09 06:19:21 <Tony> Hey i have a problem with my preware. Can you please help me?
May 09 06:21:30 <DrewPre> hello all....tonights topic....dbus introspection!!!
May 09 06:22:19 <Tony> do you know how to fix the preware on my phone?
May 09 06:22:26 <DrewPre> Will be discussing the prerequisites for the introspection of dbus using pythong!
May 09 06:22:39 <Tony> help me please!
May 09 06:22:47 <DrewPre> Tony: Who ae you tlaking to?
May 09 06:23:08 <Tony> whoever can fix my phone.
May 09 06:23:28 <halfhalo_T400> And just saying "Help Me!" withought giving more detailed info isn't the right way to go about it
May 09 06:24:38 <Tony> i have preware on my pixi and everytime i open it, it says error the service is not running
May 09 06:24:54 <halfhalo_T400> Is the package Manager service installed?
May 09 06:25:40 <Tony> it was on my launcher but it didnt do anything
May 09 06:25:53 <halfhalo_T400> Did you try restarting your phone then?
May 09 06:26:22 <Tony> yea , and then it wasnt on my launcher.
May 09 06:27:45 <halfhalo_T400> Well, all I can think of is use wosqi to uninstall then reinstall both preware and the package manager service.  OR wait a day or so until the preware experts return from mothers day events
May 09 06:28:52 <Tony> what is wosqi?
May 09 06:29:02 <halfhalo_T400> Webos Quick Install
May 09 06:29:41 <Tony> O ok thanks, imma try that.
May 09 06:30:33 <DrewPre> tony, have you access to the linux of your pixi?
May 09 06:30:57 <Tony> no, why?
May 09 06:32:11 <DrewPre> there are some things you can test if you have access...but it's more trouble to set that up than it is to uninstall/re-install and try again
May 09 06:32:43 <halfhalo_T400> Yup
May 09 06:32:48 <halfhalo_T400> Hence my lazy way
May 09 06:33:52 <Tony> will that make my preware work?
May 09 06:34:13 <DrewPre> it's just a tool to find out why it's not working.
May 09 06:35:07 <Tony> o and how do i get access to the linux of my pixi?
May 09 06:35:16 <DrewPre> finding out why it's not working is half the battle.....but the other half of the battle is getting it to work once you know what is keeping it from working.
May 09 06:35:32 <DrewPre> that can be a whole nother can of worms
May 09 06:36:16 <DrewPre> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
May 09 06:36:35 <DrewPre> ^ Follow the "Procedure" on the right column at the link above
May 09 06:37:45 <Tony> thanks.
May 09 06:38:32 <DrewPre> This is something that I would suggest you try in the morning after a cup of coffee though. Especially if you're not familiar with linux. Consider yourself warned.
May 09 06:44:13 <Tony> im on it, how would i check to see whats wrong?
May 09 07:00:30 <dtzWill> kevlar_pre: 'ello :D
May 09 07:00:39 <kevlar_pre> hiya
May 09 07:01:24 <dtzWill> kevlar_pre: it's kinda quiet now, sorry :)
May 09 07:01:40 <kevlar_pre> awesome is pretty awesome imo
May 09 08:51:21 <kyle__> i cant get preware on my comp
May 09 09:20:11 <iSmite> is anyone in who codes websites?
May 09 10:02:47 * rwhitby begins the preparations for Preware 1.0.0 ...
May 09 10:06:27 <Termana> rwhitby, the webos-internals wiki lists three binary modules, bridgedriver.ko (for DSP I think), exmap.ko (not exactly sure what this does), and sd8xxx.ko (for wifi) - none of these should are critical for the Pre to work to my knowledge, are they?
May 09 10:06:39 <Termana> (and, is there more than those?)
May 09 10:06:46 <rwhitby> depends on your definition of work
May 09 10:07:08 <Termana> Well in this case it would be work without DSP and without WiFi
May 09 10:07:10 <rwhitby> two of my devices are unable to connect to a network without wifi
May 09 10:07:38 <Termana> Unable to connect to a phone network without wifi?
May 09 10:07:57 <rwhitby> yeah, Sprint devices don't work to well in Australia ...
May 09 10:08:29 <Termana> Ah right, I'm in Australia as well, so I was planning to get a GSM model (if at all)
May 09 10:09:13 <rwhitby> GSM models work fine, but then you can't get paid apps (unless you get it first activated in Germany, and have a European credit card)
May 09 10:37:13 <eliasp> i'm just trying to get Navit working, but all i get is this: http://img297.imageshack.us/i/standardansicht1.png/  ... what is missing? it seems there should be some menu text on the bottom blue area, shouldn't it?
May 09 12:38:52 <rwhitby> Preware 1.0.0 is in the testing feed
May 09 12:51:00 * rwhitby bbt
May 09 13:53:41 <sbromwich> FuMan: define "epic" battery drain?
May 09 13:54:20 <sbromwich> FuMan: seems like people are seeing drain where I'm not, which is... interesting. I revved a new kernel that's a bit less aggressive that might help. Are you seeing any performance benefits otherwise?
May 09 14:10:45 <Ephreet> Mornin'
May 09 14:11:08 <Ephreet> I'm having a problem with my Pre.  It keeps locking up/powering off.
May 09 14:11:19 <Ephreet> I'm using a Pre Plus.
May 09 14:11:41 <Ephreet> I have the latest version of Uber-Kernel and Govnah
May 09 14:14:51 <sbromwich> which governor?
May 09 14:15:48 <Ephreet> v0.2.5
May 09 14:17:11 <sbromwich> no, which governor are you using in govnah?
May 09 14:18:22 <Ephreet> Ha, oh my bad.  On demand is what I had it on last.  Not sure before that, because I think every time the phone reboots it switches it back to "userspace"
May 09 14:19:10 <sbromwich> set it to screenstate with a max of 800 and min of 250, if it still locks up set the max to 720, then 600
May 09 14:19:33 <sbromwich> ondemand changes cpu frequency too often and can cause other issues
May 09 14:19:48 <sbromwich> and if your phone can't take running at 800 it may well lock up
May 09 14:20:24 <Ephreet> I never had this issue with the 800MHz patch in 1.4
May 09 14:21:18 <sbromwich> go back to the 1.4 patch then?
May 09 14:21:56 <Ephreet> I'm not saying that there is something wrong with Govnah, I'm saying that I doubt it's an issue with my phone not being able to handle 800MHz, because I would have had the problem before.
May 09 14:22:32 <sbromwich> there are a lot more changes in 1.4.1 that might also be involved, 1.4.0 had a comparatively simpler memory manager, for example
May 09 14:22:50 <Ephreet> there was no way for you to have known that, that's why I said it.
May 09 14:22:58 <sbromwich> syslogs might show more information if you can still ssh in
May 09 14:23:06 <sbromwich> also dmesg
May 09 14:23:31 <Ephreet> I have that set up at work, if it locks up tomorrow while at work I can attempt to see if it is responsive to SSH
May 09 14:24:01 <sbromwich> can you still novaterm in?
May 09 14:24:37 <Ephreet> Again, I have all of that set up on my work laptop, not my media PC here at home.  I guess I could grab PuTTY and the private key and set it up here.
May 09 14:24:44 <sbromwich> oh, 1.4.1 also has TCP wakeups on the fast path in 1.4.1 so if you have any network connections running that could impinge as well
May 09 14:25:10 <Ephreet> it seems to happen when I hit the power button
May 09 14:25:14 <Ephreet> every time.
May 09 14:25:33 <Ephreet> The last several times it's happened.  THe last three that I know of for sure.
May 09 14:25:34 <sbromwich> ahhhh
May 09 14:25:51 <sbromwich> does it happen if the usb cable is supplying power?
May 09 14:26:22 <Ephreet> Every time it's happened thus far it has not been connected via a USB cable.
May 09 14:26:33 <Ephreet> see what happens is the phone becomes completely unresponsive
May 09 14:26:36 <sbromwich> that's the wakeup from suspend bug I've been chasing
May 09 14:26:43 <Ephreet> if I plug in a USB cable the phone reboots
May 09 14:26:51 <sbromwich> give it 10 seconds or so and with any luck it'll just do a luna restart
May 09 14:26:59 <sbromwich> a full reboot, or just a luna restart?
May 09 14:27:00 <Ephreet> It happened last night before I went into suspend.
May 09 14:27:02 <Ephreet> I tried to
May 09 14:27:12 <Ephreet> Today it was a full reboot
May 09 14:27:24 <Ephreet> I've noticed the Luna reboots
May 09 14:27:29 <sbromwich> that's not normal, it's usually just a luna restart
May 09 14:27:45 <Ephreet> If its in suspend and I throw it on the touchstone it will luna reboot
May 09 14:27:50 <Ephreet> some times
May 09 14:28:13 <Ephreet> these last couple of "lockups" have been more serious in that the phone locks up completely
May 09 14:28:15 <sbromwich> try installing perl and run http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl and see if that makes a difference - it's a custom userspace frequency manager I use for testing
May 09 14:28:27 <sbromwich> I suspect the lockups are from ondemand
May 09 14:29:03 <Ephreet> I've already switched it to screenstate with a min of 250MHz and will see if that helps
May 09 14:29:05 <sbromwich> try scnreestate, conservative, or performance governors instead
May 09 14:29:28 <Ephreet> Would I use the link above instead of Govnah?
May 09 14:30:00 <sbromwich> govnah will display the settings, just don't try changing stuff as it will mostly get overridden
May 09 14:30:10 <Ephreet> This is probably a dumb question but how do I install perl?  I didn't see it in preware
May 09 14:30:23 <sbromwich> ipkg-opt install perl
May 09 14:31:15 <sbromwich> and you will probably want to ipkg-opt install screen as well and run screen and run pt.pl under that
May 09 14:31:26 <sbromwich> screen -r to resume if you get disconnected
May 09 14:31:40 <sbromwich> anyway... my son wants to go watch dr who with me, bbl
May 09 14:32:03 <Ephreet> it says it can't find package perl
May 09 14:32:19 <Ephreet> I tried ipkg update, too
May 09 14:32:28 <Ephreet> then did it again and got nothin'
May 09 14:32:33 <Ephreet> same message
May 09 14:32:47 <Ephreet> I'm not much of a Linux guy.
May 09 14:32:51 <Ephreet> I'm trying to learn
May 09 14:33:16 <sbromwich> ipkg-opt not ipkg
May 09 14:33:34 <Ephreet> I have one Solaris 8 box at work, which is the extent of my exposer to anything like Linux/UNIX
May 09 14:33:59 <Ephreet> Which as I have learned, all of them have their subtle differences.
May 09 14:35:08 <Ephreet> I did ipkg-opt perl
May 09 14:35:27 <Ephreet> and it came back and said an error returned error 4
May 09 14:35:38 <Ephreet> little bit more verbose than that but you get the picture
May 09 14:36:02 <Ephreet> Then it says check the file spelling or try running ipkg update
May 09 14:36:25 <Ephreet> and yes I have a 3G connection
May 09 14:38:20 <Ephreet> Just rebooted again.  Luna
May 09 14:38:31 <Ephreet> I have it plugged in with the USB cable
May 09 14:38:52 <Ephreet> I only had the terminal open.
May 09 14:39:12 <sbromwich> ipkg-opt install perl
May 09 14:39:18 <Ephreet> ah.
May 09 14:39:24 <Ephreet> I'll try that when it comes back up
May 09 14:39:42 <Ephreet> This time it didn't really lock up just rebooted.
May 09 14:40:24 <Ephreet> Same message
May 09 14:40:46 <Ephreet> well a little different
May 09 14:40:50 <Ephreet> It says Nothing to be done
May 09 14:41:06 <Ephreet> an error occured, return value: 4
May 09 14:41:14 <Ephreet> Collected errors:
May 09 14:41:19 <Ephreet> Cannot find package perl
May 09 14:41:53 <Ephreet> check the spelling or perhaps run ipkg update
May 09 14:44:36 <Ephreet> pretty sure I don't have perl because I don't have a /usr/bin/perl directory
May 09 14:45:02 <JackieRipper> Ephreet: anything ipkg-opt installs will be in /opt
May 09 14:47:49 <Ephreet> Pardon the n00b mistake.
May 09 14:48:01 <Ephreet> <- Windows Admin  Need I say more?
May 09 14:48:45 <JackieRipper> no worries
May 09 14:49:03 <Ephreet> It's not in opt/bin either
May 09 14:49:05 <JackieRipper> ipkg-opt list | grep perl
May 09 14:49:21 <sbromwich> ipkg-opt update
May 09 14:49:48 <Ephreet> I can make my phone reboot
May 09 14:49:59 <JackieRipper> yeah, looks like you don't have a package list
May 09 14:50:07 <JackieRipper> what sbromwich said
May 09 14:50:22 <Ephreet> If I go into the non obvious keys and try to do a back gesture it reboots Luna
May 09 14:50:29 <Ephreet> It's done it twice in a row now.
May 09 14:50:32 <JackieRipper> yeah
May 09 14:50:46 <JackieRipper> that's a semi-known issue with terminal
May 09 14:51:01 <Ephreet> Oh.  I wasn't aware
May 09 14:51:13 <JackieRipper> that's the "semi"
May 09 14:51:20 <JackieRipper> :)
May 09 14:51:45 <JackieRipper> I've seen people discussing, and it's happened to me a few times
May 09 14:53:12 <Ephreet> I did that grep and it came back with nothing
May 09 14:53:41 <Ephreet> am I missing something?
May 09 14:54:40 <JackieRipper>  looks like you don't have a package list
May 09 14:54:53 <JackieRipper> ipkg-opt update
May 09 14:55:52 <Ephreet> indeed
May 09 14:55:55 <Ephreet> It is working now.
May 09 14:56:09 <Ephreet> I was just typing ipkg update
May 09 14:56:14 <Ephreet> not ipkg-opt update
May 09 14:56:38 <Ephreet> so once I did that and did ipkg-opt install perl it took off
May 09 14:57:15 <Ephreet> linux is very different from Windows...
May 09 14:57:57 <JackieRipper> that's part of its charm ;)
May 09 15:00:08 <Ephreet> Eh.
May 09 15:00:11 <Ephreet> Yeah.
May 09 15:03:16 <Ephreet> how do you clear the screen in linux?  it's cls in windows
May 09 15:04:12 <Ephreet> clear
May 09 15:04:13 <Ephreet> how cute
May 09 15:05:07 <sbromwich> ctrl-l
May 09 15:10:23 <Ephreet> well, I'm going to wait and see if my phone locks up any more because I've changed the gov
May 09 15:10:31 <Ephreet> Thanks for all the help
May 09 18:19:09 <Kyusaku> interesting that preware 1.0 depends on package manager service even though it doesn't need it. Is that a safety precaution?
May 09 18:58:00 <FuMan1> ping sbromwich
May 09 18:58:31 <hmagoo> Kyusaku: did it merge with alpha?
May 09 18:59:34 <Kyusaku> I actually removed alpha when I installed 0.99
May 09 18:59:59 <Kyusaku> so I can't really report on that
May 09 19:00:19 <FuMan1> heh
May 09 19:00:22 <FuMan1> did the same here
May 09 19:00:58 <hmagoo> I know that preware can use the c service, but wasn't sure if it had ditched the java yet
May 09 19:00:58 <Kyusaku> well that is what rod recommended
May 09 19:01:08 <hmagoo> oic on the thread
May 09 19:04:10 <hmagoo> can't seem to get to the last page of the thread
May 09 19:04:57 <Kyusaku> since 0.99 doesn't need Package Manager Service found it odd that 1.0 depends on it just so it can remove it.
May 09 19:05:23 <Kyusaku> I'm guessing some sort of safety precaution for the install
May 09 19:05:36 <FuMan1> yeah
May 09 19:05:47 <FuMan1> thats kinda the way i've understood it
May 09 19:05:52 <hmagoo> in case the other one doesn't fly I guess
May 09 19:06:11 <FuMan1> for what its worth, i haven't seen anyone post .99 or 1.0 install that still has PMS
May 09 19:06:16 <FuMan1> package manager service
May 09 19:06:24 <FuMan1> never notice that poor acronym
May 09 19:06:32 <FuMan1> oil: also, i think another apology is in order
May 09 19:07:02 <Kyusaku> well 0.99 didn't depend on package manager service
May 09 19:10:24 <dtzWill> i asked again last night but no one was up :). does anyone know where source for dspbridge and the tisgxgfx modules might be?
May 09 19:10:36 <dtzWill> or is the licensing information their modules report (GPL) invalid?
May 09 19:12:45 <dtzWill> sbromwich: you're lucky, i'm gonna pick on you a little :). do you know anything about the above?
May 09 19:13:49 <dtzWill> the only ones that don't report GPL are the wifi drivers...
May 09 19:15:17 <dtzWill> and FWIW exmap definitely has source available, despite the wiki. http://www.berthels.co.uk/exmap/ etc. haven't tried to build it but just saying. not sure that we super care, seems mostly for debugging.
May 09 19:22:13 <dtzWill> hrm and the wireless driver is opensource but needs closed firmware?
May 09 19:22:34 <dtzWill> logs show people were talking about this lact.. /october/ so I'm very late to the party :). expected since it's just a modinfo away
May 09 19:22:39 <dtzWill> but the questions remains--where's the source? :)
May 09 19:31:25 <atlanta> hey
May 09 19:31:59 <atlanta> hey
May 09 19:46:00 <sbromwich> dtzWill: I haven't looked into it to any great detail but I think the bridgedriver source on opensource.palm.com might help with the dsp, not sure about the graphics side of things - I think it's just using framebuffer until luna gets its hands on things
May 09 19:47:56 <BlindMan> evening
May 09 19:49:34 <BlindMan> ich have novacomd running, can access my pre with novaterm but webosquicinstall (v3.12 and corresponding webosdoctor also present) can'T access it, says no device installed, unfortunately no error messages :(
May 09 19:49:38 <BlindMan> any ideaß
May 09 19:49:39 <BlindMan> ideas? even
May 09 19:49:49 <BlindMan> novacomd 1.0.51 that is
May 09 19:53:42 <dick-richardson> How are things looking for allowing the screenstate governor to drop the cpu below 500MHz? Anything I can do to help?
May 09 19:54:54 <sbromwich> compile a custom kernel with it set to drop as low as you want?
May 09 19:56:29 <dick-richardson> Compiling a custom kernel for myself helps move it forward for those packaging it into preware?
May 09 19:56:52 <sbromwich> if you set up your own tree with it, yes
May 09 19:57:03 <BlindMan> that sucks it worked last time, but now also everything with newer versions and webos as well *sigh*
May 09 19:57:12 <sbromwich> then people can add your feed as a custom feed with the base speed set to whatever you feel like
May 09 20:00:01 <FuMan1> sbromwich: does the post boba kernel allow different governors
May 09 20:00:19 <FuMan1> time in state didn't appear to believe that any scaling was possible
May 09 20:00:26 <sbromwich> FuMan1: let me double check
May 09 20:00:38 <FuMan1> the last 2 versions in preware
May 09 20:00:43 <FuMan1> i haven't been able to scale
May 09 20:00:47 <sbromwich> conservative ondemand userspace powersave screenstate performance
May 09 20:00:51 <FuMan1> hrm
May 09 20:00:52 <sbromwich> are all compiled in
May 09 20:00:53 <FuMan1> thats, odd
May 09 20:01:00 <FuMan1> i'll have to repeat tests later
May 09 20:01:16 <dick-richardson> yeah, I get that - I'm still not sure how my custom kernel in any way helps uber-kernel devel; nm - you guys look like you got it covered.
May 09 20:01:18 <FuMan1> i uninstalled temporarily because its a long day, and I was still seeing pretty epic battery drain in the newest kernel
May 09 20:01:39 <dtzWill> sbromwich: okay. thanks for the info. am i the only one who'd like to build the entire kernel from source? :)
May 09 20:01:45 <FuMan1> not quite the 20-30 an hour, but its still pretty hotfire.
May 09 20:02:05 <sbromwich> FuMan1: suggests to me there's something running in the background that's sucking down cpu time which will be all sorts of fun to track down
May 09 20:02:32 <FuMan1> well, even with the bat drain, its still fast as hell, so good work :)
May 09 20:02:33 <sbromwich> dtzWill: I think probably not... if we had *all* the source forward porting to a newer kernel would be relatively straightforward
May 09 20:03:00 <sbromwich> dick-richardson: if you set up your own build tree and submit patches you can have your own tree set up in preware, that's how I got involved
May 09 20:03:31 <sbromwich> rwhitby can do ssh public key auth, and I think ka6sox can as well
May 09 20:03:46 <dtzWill> sbromwich: my thoughts exactly, and since all the modules /claim/ to be opensource (and are listed as such on palm's open source PDF) i'd iamgine it's something within reach
May 09 20:04:06 <dtzWill> the only kicker is wireless, which used to be listed as GPL but now isn't? someone mentioned it being open source but the firmware not
May 09 20:05:41 <sbromwich> dtzWill: wifi, graphics card and sd card drivers are the only closed ones, I think
May 09 20:06:59 <dtzWill> sbromwich: but the graphics (the tisgxgfx/* you mean, right?) report as GPL and are listed in the PDF as GPL
May 09 20:07:10 <dtzWill> sbromwich: hrm, do you know offhand which is the sd card driver? o_O
May 09 20:07:16 * dtzWill checks his mod list again
May 09 20:08:19 <dtzWill> the only modules that don't claim to be GPL (for whatever that's worth...) are the two wifi ones
May 09 20:08:37 <sbromwich> I thought it was sd8xxxx but that's wifi... I can't see it now I go looking so ICBW
May 09 20:09:01 <dtzWill> sbromwich: kk no worries.
May 09 20:11:59 <sbromwich> bbl... the boy wants to go play football
May 09 20:22:29 <BlindMan> crap, sun java 1.6.0_20 doesn't work, but openjdk, oh well
May 09 20:22:59 <BlindMan> +does
May 09 20:40:27 <pullingj> preware .9.99 to 1.0 upgrade wants to install package manager service to upgrade?
May 09 20:41:08 <FuMan1> yeah yeah
May 09 20:41:11 <FuMan1> juuuuust do it
May 09 20:41:24 <FuMan1> part of the fancy migration design
May 09 20:41:30 <FuMan1> installs it, to uninstall it, of sorts
May 09 20:41:58 <pullingj> install it to let it remove it at the end of the upgrade?
May 09 20:42:58 <pullingj> I guess the normal user won't see it coming from an old non-alpha preware
May 09 20:46:35 <FuMan1> yeah, i think thats the purpose, to make migration from non-alpha surefire
May 09 20:46:37 <FuMan1> but, i know nothing
May 09 20:48:43 <BlindMan> hurray, bad address ipkg.preware.org, oh well, expected for 0.9.38?
May 09 22:08:41 <Guest28964> Can anyone help me my sms txt per contact wont update its saying there is a error ipkeg log
May 09 22:17:29 <Guest28964> hello can anyone help me
May 09 22:35:17 <Guest28964> can some one help me
May 09 22:43:44 <jwm> heh
May 09 22:48:28 <FuMan1> sup
May 09 22:54:32 <Guest28964> im having a problem with updating my sms per contact package it keeps saying theirs an error
May 09 22:55:10 <PrimerFender_wIR> what's the error?
May 09 22:57:28 <Guest28964> im not really sure
May 09 22:57:47 <Guest28964>  its keep saying ipkg log
May 09 22:58:41 <PrimerFender_wIR> what does the log say?
May 09 22:59:24 <Guest28964> its says unlock and under that it says nothing interesting
May 09 23:00:02 <Guest28964> then it says prerm and under that it has a whole bunch of letters and stuff
May 09 23:00:59 <Guest28964> then it has lock with some stuff under it too
May 09 23:01:30 <PrimerFender_wIR> have you tried restarting phone?
May 09 23:02:47 <Guest28964> then at the end it says faied error generic method exception: failure during pre-remove script execution i tried that thousands of times
May 09 23:06:07 <PrimerFender_wIR> What package is it?
May 09 23:08:13 <Guest28964> sms txt tone per contact
May 09 23:23:14 <sbromwich> FuMan1: was there any particular kernel where battery life started dropping particularly badly?
May 09 23:23:42 <FuMan1> preware
May 09 23:24:11 <FuMan1> i never noticed it in anything when i was just pushing uimages
May 09 23:25:17 <sbromwich> hmmmmm... Interesting
May 09 23:25:35 <sbromwich> would you mind testing a kernel for me?
May 09 23:27:01 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.fuman
May 09 23:27:41 <sbromwich> that is the regular -24 kernel compiled on mason, I'm wondering if there's some subtle difference between the autobuilder and my setup on mason
May 09 23:31:32 <PrimerFender_wIR> could it be in use when trying to remove old version? is there a way to turn it off?
May 09 23:34:23 <PrimerFender_wIR> the only suggestion I can make that will work for sure is webos doctor and reinstall
May 10 00:05:45 <rwhitby> morning
May 10 00:05:52 <sbromwich> morning
May 10 00:06:30 <rwhitby> I feel like a Preware 1.0 release ...
May 10 00:06:41 <sbromwich> do you know off-hand what version of gcc the toolchain is built with on the autobuilder?
May 10 00:06:52 <sbromwich> in the morning?
May 10 00:06:59 <sbromwich> smells like... binaries?
May 10 00:07:14 <rwhitby> sbromwich: both are binary download from codesourcery.com
May 10 00:07:40 <rwhitby> sbromwich: see the Makefile in the toolchain/* dirs for details
May 10 00:07:50 <sbromwich> hmmm
May 10 00:08:00 <sbromwich> there's nothing else built with the local gcc?
May 10 00:08:25 <rwhitby> HOSTCC stuff in kernel builds
May 10 00:08:45 <sbromwich> hrm
May 10 00:08:54 <sbromwich> can't see that doing much of anything
May 10 00:09:17 <VincentLaw> does preware 1.0 overwrite preware alpha?
May 10 00:09:43 <sbromwich> trying to trace down these reports of battery slackness, FuMan1 reckons it started with the autobuilt kernel
May 10 00:10:03 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: no
May 10 00:10:19 <VincentLaw> hmph
May 10 00:10:23 <FuMan1> sbromwich: ill try out the uimage tomorrow
May 10 00:10:25 <VincentLaw> I wonder what happened then
May 10 00:10:29 <sbromwich> thanks FuMan1
May 10 00:10:42 <FuMan1> and, just to be clear, i missed a lot of builds in the middle there
May 10 00:10:52 <FuMan1> but i know back with the red font fire burning uimages, that was fine
May 10 00:10:59 <FuMan1> and the last 2 preware builds have hurt
May 10 00:11:00 <VincentLaw> I had preware alpha, installed preware 1.0, and removed preware alpha (all from inside preware alpha). and when I looked, preware was nowhere to be found
May 10 00:11:24 <VincentLaw> not that it particularly matters, reinstalled it via webosQI IPK
May 10 00:11:27 <VincentLaw> just odd
May 10 00:11:27 <sbromwich> FuMan1: were you doing one-shot boots with my single image (eg bobafett, deathstar, et al)?
May 10 00:12:10 <FuMan1> assuming that equates to tellbootie, novacom boot, then yeah O_o
May 10 00:12:18 <sbromwich> that's the one
May 10 00:12:47 * rwhitby kicks off the Preware 1.0 release
May 10 00:12:58 <sbromwich> do you remember which was the last one you booted that ran OK by any chance FuMan1?
May 10 00:12:59 <FuMan1> huzzah
May 10 00:13:42 <FuMan1> [20:35] <+sbromwich> http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.dompertest
May 10 00:13:42 <FuMan1> [20:35] <+sbromwich> *grin*
May 10 00:13:42 <FuMan1> [20:35] <FuMan> not sure if its govnah, or what, but I'm crashing left and right
May 10 00:13:42 <FuMan1> [20:35] <+sbromwich> http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tuning is the event.d tuning script I'm running
May 10 00:13:42 <FuMan1> [20:35] <FuMan> still using the same threshold , etc settings?
May 10 00:13:47 <FuMan1> wow, horrid paste my bad
May 10 00:13:59 <sbromwich> ah-hah
May 10 00:14:03 <sbromwich> perfect, thanks
May 10 00:14:17 <FuMan1> i can't be 100% certain
May 10 00:14:22 <FuMan1> but, i know for sure i ran that
May 10 00:14:28 <FuMan1> and if battery drain was like these… i would have noticed
May 10 00:14:44 <sbromwich> ok, that gives me enough info to play with diffs... thanks :-)
May 10 00:15:04 <FuMan1> gl
May 10 00:15:08 <FuMan1> and, as i mentioned before
May 10 00:15:12 <FuMan1> with the newest build in preware
May 10 00:15:15 <CorpX> i think i just killed my phone
May 10 00:15:19 <FuMan1> it doesn't like playing with screen state
May 10 00:15:26 <FuMan1> itll always run at whatever i set as the max
May 10 00:15:28 <FuMan1> even when screen is off
May 10 00:15:49 <FuMan1> just, to note :>
May 10 00:16:00 <sbromwich> if you run pt.pl does that change the state?
May 10 00:16:25 <FuMan1> im currently not on sbrom, and balls deep in studying for one of my last exams
May 10 00:16:26 <FuMan1> I
May 10 00:16:35 <FuMan1> I'll hit you up tomorrow for some quality troubleshooting
May 10 00:16:46 <sbromwich> you've given me more than enough to go on, thanks :-)
May 10 00:16:59 <FuMan1> hope i didn't send you the wrong direction D;
May 10 00:17:09 <sbromwich> nup, I think you just nailed it fo rme
May 10 00:17:36 <FuMan1> word
May 10 00:17:42 <FuMan1> and, and oil_pre
May 10 00:18:17 <FuMan1> oil_pre: tomorrow is finally reach day… so if you see anyone on, its actually me this time :D
May 10 00:18:56 <sbromwich> ka6sox probably hates me but I have multiple copies of the important bits... I think I see what it might be
May 10 00:22:22 <sbromwich> I'm going to regress back and isolate out the wfi and see if that was it since that was the last thing, otherwise it's the DOM_PER test being too eager
May 10 00:22:35 <lostnthenet> Hi guys
May 10 00:23:36 <lostnthenet> anyone hear me?
May 10 00:24:15 <rwhitby> lostnthenet: yep
May 10 00:24:50 <oil_pre> no
May 10 00:25:04 <lostnthenet> I had uber and govnah for about 2 weeks but wanted to try the new features so I uninstalled and reinstalled and tried to use screenstate
May 10 00:25:40 <lostnthenet> It seemed to be running fine and I checked my battery a few hours later and it was much lower than what I expected
May 10 00:26:18 <lostnthenet> it was at 37 percent and I noticed my wifi stopped.  I issued a restart and the phone went into big battery icon status
May 10 00:27:05 <lostnthenet> I charged it a bit and it finally started back up and said it was at 4 percent when it came back on, I left it on the cord and it is going down now and is at 2 percent
May 10 00:27:27 <lostnthenet> Its on a usb cord to my computer because I don't have a real charger up at work
May 10 00:27:50 <lostnthenet> any ideas?  seems like something is up with the battery meter or something
May 10 00:28:09 <lostnthenet> and thanks for all the great work guys
May 10 00:32:04 <rwhitby> oil_pre: Preware 1.x is released
May 10 00:33:20 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/preware-1
May 10 00:34:47 * rwhitby bbl
May 10 00:36:49 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: I've only seen that when I've got something draining the battery hard... Try putting it in satellite mode for half an hour on charge and see what happens?
May 10 00:37:41 <lostnthenet> ok, I was also thinking it might be the fahrenheit battery temp patch or something.  Trying to remove that.
May 10 00:37:51 <sbromwich> possible but unlikely
May 10 00:38:06 <sbromwich> have you got novaterm or ssh access into it?
May 10 00:38:15 <lostnthenet> I have terminal app
May 10 00:38:26 <sbromwich> run uptime and see if the load looks particularly high
May 10 00:39:26 <lostnthenet> 1.82, 1.16, 0.70
May 10 00:39:41 <sbromwich> mine's been in satellite mode/wifi on all day and off charge for the past 8 hours and it still has 36% battery
May 10 00:40:03 <sbromwich> ok, something's running the cpu fairly hard
May 10 00:40:17 <lostnthenet> top on this thing kinda sux
May 10 00:40:39 <sbromwich> heh
May 10 00:40:55 <sbromwich> run vmstat 1 for a while and see how many processes are waiting to run, or if there's any blocked
May 10 00:43:10 <sbromwich> also keep any eye on the cpu column and see if there's anything particularly high in the user or sys columns
May 10 00:45:54 <rwhitby> can someone test the upgrade to Preware 1.0.0 ?
May 10 00:46:44 <lostnthenet> I upgraded preware to 1.0 after I did the uber update
May 10 00:46:49 <lostnthenet> seems faster to me
May 10 00:46:54 <rwhitby> it is
May 10 00:47:48 <lostnthenet> had to re update feeds once it restarted because I had it set to check once per day and since the package manager is gone, it didnt have a current db
May 10 00:49:52 <lostnthenet> sbromwich: unfortunately I have no idea what I am looking at on vmstat.  Its not formatted very well using terminal.  I will need to get novaterm working
May 10 00:52:20 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: if you can see the first two columns that's the number of running (active) and blocked (waiting on something) processes
May 10 00:53:08 <lostnthenet> well I just uninstalled the uber and rebooted again and waiting for sufficient charge to boot up again and see if its doing the same.
May 10 00:53:18 <sbromwich> ok
May 10 00:53:31 <lostnthenet> I doubt its the kernel but going back to stock makes sense
May 10 00:53:54 <sbromwich> there's a reasonable chance it's the kernel
May 10 00:54:03 <lostnthenet> I was playing around with latitude a little earlier too and that may have had something to do with it
May 10 00:55:07 <sbromwich> gps will certainly drain things harder but I wouldn't expect the battery to be sucked dry quite so quick
May 10 00:55:33 <lostnthenet> It was just weird that a reboot would drain 37 percent
May 10 00:56:12 <sbromwich> yeah, that definitely sounds odd
May 10 01:10:16 <lostnthenet> hey sbromwich.  Its booted back up and the first 2 columns of vmstat 1 are mostly 0 and 0 with a few 1 and 0 lines
May 10 01:11:45 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: yeah, that sounds about how it should be
May 10 01:11:50 <sbromwich> is it taking a charge now?
May 10 01:13:21 <jhojho_> sbromwich: not sure what rwithby has installed for the autobuilder but the latest gcc toolchain from codesourcery is not the one the palm kernel uses apparently. I remember seeing this when I was looking at it a while ago.
May 10 01:13:45 <lostnthenet> well its still at 4 percent hasnt gone up yet
May 10 01:13:52 <lostnthenet> but at least it hasnt gone down
May 10 01:13:58 <lostnthenet> im in airplane mode too
May 10 01:14:49 <sbromwich> jhojho_: the one I'm using is... cs08q1? I think rwhitby put it on specially for me so I could use some of the gcc tuning parameters
May 10 01:15:01 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: keep the screen off, it'll charge more quickly
May 10 01:16:33 <rwhitby> jhojho_: the autobuilder uses the same toolchain as palm
May 10 01:16:52 <rwhitby> jhojho_: but has an alternative toolchain also installed that sbromwich uses for a specific kernel package
May 10 01:17:07 <jhojho_> okay. so that's eliminated
May 10 01:17:09 <jhojho_> oh
May 10 01:17:11 * sbromwich is special. And not necessarily in a good way.
May 10 01:18:48 <jhojho_> heh
May 10 01:21:53 <sbromwich> ka6sox: ping?
May 10 01:28:57 <lostnthenet> Well it went back down to 3 percent and I noticed that I would not get the usb or jsut charge prompt if I tried to disconnect/reconnect the usb cable.  I stopped the Palm Novacom service on my pc and it started giving me the prompt.  Strangely enough, the battery is charging now
May 10 01:29:17 <sbromwich> that's definitely weird
May 10 01:29:20 <lostnthenet> lol
May 10 01:29:22 <lostnthenet> i know
May 10 01:29:43 <lostnthenet> never thought I would be so happy to see 5 percent
May 10 01:29:56 <sbromwich> it sounds like something is causing the pre to draw > 500mA, the USB port can't keep up, and the battery gets drained to supplement it
May 10 01:30:16 <lostnthenet> I was thinking that it was just not allowing it to sleep
May 10 01:31:19 <sbromwich> it won't sleep if it's on power
May 10 01:31:31 <flare576> Hey all, just wanted to pop in and say "Thank you" for the version checks in PreWare.  I had to get my phone replaced and tried to install UberKernal on a 1.4.0.
May 10 01:31:37 <sbromwich> well... nowhere near as deep as on battery
May 10 01:32:25 <sbromwich> flare576: rwhitby is the man there
May 10 01:32:26 <lostnthenet> maybe something with the devmode.  I tend to leave devmode enabled
May 10 01:33:05 <flare576> Thank you for protecting my device (and, by proxy, digital life), rwhitby :)
May 10 01:33:23 <sbromwich> anyone know if there's a way under linux to find how much current is actually being drawn (as opposed to max power) from a USB port?
May 10 01:34:03 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: possible, but I doubt it, mine is permanently in dev mode and I don't see any great amount of battery drain unless I'm doing something I know will cause it
May 10 01:34:06 <uNiXpSyChO> there's a current_mA in /sysfs
May 10 01:34:18 <sbromwich> do you know whereabouts?
May 10 01:34:33 <sbromwich> I've been spelunking and found nothing obvious but my grep fu might not be up to snuff
May 10 01:35:51 <uNiXpSyChO> sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA
May 10 01:36:15 <sbromwich> ahhhh... I was looking from a linux host
May 10 01:36:19 <sbromwich> that'll do though, ta :-)
May 10 01:37:23 <lostnthenet> mine says 500 right now when I cat it out
May 10 01:37:40 <sbromwich> same here and I'm charging too
May 10 01:37:49 <sbromwich> anyone at 100% charge and care to check?
May 10 01:38:23 <lostnthenet> I disconnected the cable and it said 0
May 10 01:38:29 <lostnthenet> so that sounds correct
May 10 01:38:56 <pslag1> Hi Steve... just joined... what are you looking to check?  (however, I'm not at 100% charge right now).
May 10 01:39:04 <sbromwich> well, the max draw is 500mA so I want to make sure it's a true reading and not just automatically set to maxpower
May 10 01:39:15 <sbromwich> pslag1: /sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA
May 10 01:39:30 <sbromwich> seeing if I can use it to see how much current is actually being drawn by different kernels
May 10 01:40:16 <pslag1> Battery: 0     USB to PC: 500   USB to AC: 1000
May 10 01:40:31 <pslag1> (don't have TS with me right now)
May 10 01:40:47 <sbromwich> oooooh.... maybe that could be a way to id if the pre is on a TS
May 10 01:41:02 <uNiXpSyChO> how so
May 10 01:41:13 <pslag1> running your latest test kernel: v1.4.1-25
May 10 01:41:18 <lostnthenet> doesn't luna already know when its on TS so it goes to clock
May 10 01:41:22 <uNiXpSyChO> TS uses 700 and doesnt report under that sysfs entry
May 10 01:41:29 <sbromwich> if it's 500mA on a USB port and 1A on AC... what might a touchstone be? 2A?
May 10 01:41:47 <uNiXpSyChO> TS is 700mA
May 10 01:41:53 <sbromwich> ahhh... so if it's drawing 700mA that might be enough to say it's on a touchstone?
May 10 01:42:25 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah... but it reports 0mA when on touchstone.  powerd spits out 700mA inductive charging out of nowhere
May 10 01:42:25 <ka6sox> 700ma exceeds the USB2 spec.
May 10 01:42:49 <sbromwich> is the TS a USB device?
May 10 01:42:55 <lostnthenet> yeah but it uses fastcharge
May 10 01:42:58 <uNiXpSyChO> 1000mA is through an AC charger using USB
May 10 01:43:03 <lostnthenet> not usb communications
May 10 01:43:07 <sbromwich> ahhh l
May 10 01:43:10 <sbromwich> k
May 10 01:43:17 <ka6sox> thats incoming not outgoing then.
May 10 01:43:18 <uNiXpSyChO> nope, TS uses something else i cant find
May 10 01:43:43 <pslag1> What about 'high power' USB ports?  Supposedly they supply 1 amp.
May 10 01:43:44 <sbromwich> and I thought that might have been an easy fix... oh well :-/
May 10 01:45:13 <sbromwich> and the iGo charger I have that says it only doles out 850mA allegedly is giving 1A
May 10 01:45:42 <uNiXpSyChO> 1A is fine... just not from a PC
May 10 01:46:23 <sbromwich> I'm looking for something that will give me the actual power usage so I can look at different kernels to see what their power draw is at idle
May 10 01:46:51 <uNiXpSyChO> i think that is in charger_detector.c
May 10 01:46:52 <sbromwich> my killawatt (a) only has a resolution of 1W, and (b) is on loan to a friend
May 10 01:49:11 <sbromwich> charger_detector.c looks to be hard coding
May 10 01:49:51 <sbromwich>  /* this is a charger */
May 10 01:49:56 <sbromwich>                                 the_data->charger_mA = 1000;
May 10 01:50:03 <uNiXpSyChO> darn
May 10 01:50:43 <sbromwich> yeah, 1A or 500mA or 0A is all there is
May 10 01:53:10 <uNiXpSyChO>  usb_gadget_event_vbus_draw(0)
May 10 01:55:33 <sbromwich> and yet nothing seems to use omap_vbus_draw?
May 10 01:56:25 <uNiXpSyChO> i noticed there is a crap load from the palm patch that doesnt even get compiled in
May 10 01:59:49 <sbromwich> all counts towards LOC ;-)
May 10 02:01:12 <lostnthenet> would it be possible to use 2 usb cables spliced together for charging at 1A like they do with some usb drives?
May 10 02:01:40 <lostnthenet> I should by some more monoprice cables and hack it up and try it I guess
May 10 02:01:52 <zsoc|away> lostnthenet: i don't see why not, i think you need to do something with the data.. uh.. loopback.. ground.. something
May 10 02:02:38 <InvertChaos> Would that in theory allow the use of the touchstone via usb?
May 10 02:02:40 <lostnthenet> probably wouldn't need to connect all four wires
May 10 02:02:42 <sbromwich> lostnthenet: as long as your laptop and spliced in charger are plugged into the same electrical circuit (ie, use a power bar) you should be fine
May 10 02:03:42 <lostnthenet> I'm not talking about using a real charger and usb at the same time, just plugging into 2 usb ports at the same time to get 500mA out of each for 1A total
May 10 02:04:23 <sbromwich> hmmm, interesting idea
May 10 02:04:56 <lostnthenet> InvertChaos: in theory it is possible but you might have to splice the inner contacts together for the ts since it uses fastcharging
May 10 02:05:11 <lostnthenet> I will have to play around with this idea
May 10 02:05:26 <sbromwich> my guess is you would either still be limited to 500mA or you would short out the usb ports... definitely something to test on a usb hub first ;-)
May 10 02:05:35 <lostnthenet> agreed
May 10 02:07:01 <sbromwich> ohhh... lostnthenet did you mention you were in a warehouse or something?
May 10 02:07:16 <lostnthenet> Nah, I am in a datacenter
May 10 02:07:23 <lostnthenet> so poor signal is an issue
May 10 02:07:23 <sbromwich> ahhhhh
May 10 02:07:29 <sbromwich> I was just about to say :-)
May 10 02:07:38 <sbromwich> that might be the cause of your power drain
May 10 02:07:45 <lostnthenet> we have like 40k servers
May 10 02:08:13 <sbromwich> it might be worth installing mode switcher and tell it to switch to 2g only when the gps says you're withing 500 feet of the data centre
May 10 02:08:59 <RagingMind> sbromwich, the directions that come with the TS very explicitly say that it should NOT be connected to a computer
May 10 02:09:11 <FuMan1> for what its worth
May 10 02:09:14 <FuMan1> been there done that with mine
May 10 02:09:22 <FuMan1> and works on some ports, not on others
May 10 02:09:30 <sbromwich> RagingMind: I've never physically seen a TS so I have only a vague idea how it all hooks up ;-)
May 10 02:10:29 <RagingMind> it uses the wall charger and data cord that comes with the pre to plug into the wall
May 10 02:10:36 <uNiXpSyChO> yep, cuz the TS needs 700mA and the PC usb only sends 500mA
May 10 02:11:17 <sbromwich> ah, so if I'm using the pre I can't novaterm in?
May 10 02:11:46 <RagingMind> I bought a FM transmitter thing for a road trip... was a horrible POS.  So I returned it and used the money to get a TS
May 10 02:11:49 <lostnthenet> yeah but what I was getting at was splicing 2 usb cables to allow 1A of current to be available
May 10 02:12:20 <RagingMind> sbromwich, this is why I've been whining the past couple days about needing to set up SSH or to buy another data cable
May 10 02:13:52 <sbromwich> is there something special about the palm micro usb cable then? I have one here from a charger that only works for charging but I figured it only had power cables hooked up
May 10 02:14:45 <RagingMind> the palm one is nicely made and the TS is made to fit it perfectly
May 10 02:15:05 <RagingMind> it's a really sexy little assembly
May 10 02:16:09 <sbromwich> so the TS specifically needs the palm cable for it?
May 10 02:16:29 <lostnthenet> I hacked one of the monoprice micro usb cables to allow it to work with the ts
May 10 02:16:33 <RagingMind> doubtful... just a cable that fits into the hole in the back
May 10 02:16:47 <lostnthenet> you also have to trim the end to allow it to fit
May 10 02:16:58 <RagingMind> I imagine any other cable would work but if it was too bulky then you'd have to use an exacto
May 10 02:17:54 * sbromwich can see duct tape and exacto knives in his future
May 10 02:18:08 <lostnthenet> i used a dremel
May 10 02:18:29 <lostnthenet> I have a TS in my car
May 10 02:18:48 <pslag1> For AC, the adapter is important.  A Belkin only supplies 500mA, whereas the Palm brand supplies 1A
May 10 02:19:05 <pslag1> Works same with any microUSB cable.  Palm or generic.
May 10 02:19:08 <RagingMind> lostnthenet, if I had the money I'd hack together a car holder arm thingy and a TS
May 10 02:20:00 <RagingMind> then I could use GPS without dieing
May 10 02:20:05 <lostnthenet> RagingMind, Mine is actually just sitting on the console, it stays put because of the texture of the bottom of the TS.  I really like it
May 10 02:20:52 <RagingMind> I actually want a little adjustable arm thingy so that I can move it around as I see fit
May 10 02:21:10 <pslag1> RagingMind: FM transmitter: Belkins=POS, Griffins=OK.  But if your FM band is highly populated, they are all POS.  (IMHO)
May 10 02:22:13 <RagingMind> I was in the middle of no where
May 10 02:22:34 <lostnthenet> oooh, USB 3.0 does 900mA
May 10 02:22:58 <lostnthenet> Raging: what kind of car do you have?
May 10 02:23:12 <RagingMind> LMAO.  I bought belkin cause my BF used to work at best buy (that's where we were shopping) and he said griffin was crap and belkin was the good one
May 10 02:23:25 <RagingMind> lostnthenet, '97 ford thunderbird
May 10 02:23:57 <RagingMind> brb
May 10 02:25:03 <RagingMind> I wonder if my netbook is jealous of my pre...
May 10 02:25:13 <FuMan1> does it reboot on wakeup?
May 10 02:25:41 * sbromwich senses bitterness in the force
May 10 02:25:55 <FuMan1> sbromwich:  i came from a treo755
May 10 02:26:02 <FuMan1> which, im not sure if you played with palmOS much
May 10 02:26:03 <RagingMind> now that I have a pre I'm thinking I should go from a S-10 to a S12
May 10 02:26:04 <sbromwich> is that the windows one?
May 10 02:26:07 <sbromwich> I had a 650
May 10 02:26:13 <FuMan1> nah, its the last palm one
May 10 02:26:18 <sbromwich> ahhh
May 10 02:26:19 <FuMan1> but old palm os was fast as hell
May 10 02:26:25 <RagingMind> I have an old palm pilot... it was really nifty
May 10 02:26:25 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 10 02:26:26 <FuMan1> it was sparse, but it was fast, and solid
May 10 02:26:36 <FuMan1> and it still kills me a bit, when my pre can't do things half as well D;
May 10 02:26:44 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 10 02:26:46 <FuMan1> luna resets on wakeup, and not being able to set a PRIMARY NUMBER
May 10 02:26:51 <FuMan1> are my 2 killers
May 10 02:27:23 <sbromwich> have you seen luna resets with all the kernels on mine you tried or were there any that stopped it?
May 10 02:27:39 <sbromwich> and what do you mean by primary number?
May 10 02:27:41 <FuMan1> i think i mentioned it awhile back
May 10 02:27:47 <FuMan1> i've seen 1
May 10 02:27:52 <sbromwich> ok
May 10 02:27:53 <FuMan1> and it was possibly totally unrelated
May 10 02:28:00 <FuMan1> primary number as in
May 10 02:28:10 <FuMan1> if i type amber in messaging, i get her home phone
May 10 02:28:15 <FuMan1> if i type amber is universal search
May 10 02:28:18 <FuMan1> i get her mobile
May 10 02:28:25 <FuMan1> if i type it in the dialer, i get her home phone
May 10 02:28:35 <FuMan1> i've sent so many damned SMS-to-landline
May 10 02:28:37 <sbromwich> if it was on -24 that might be because I pulled out some of the wakeup testing/rescheduling to see if that would help the battery
May 10 02:28:44 <sbromwich> ahhhh
May 10 02:28:52 <FuMan1> because i can't set which number is always default
May 10 02:29:01 <FuMan1> and having to physically hit the screen, when dialing up someone in universal search
May 10 02:29:11 <FuMan1> because the number i want isn't the number the phone has decided to show up as the top result
May 10 02:29:12 <FuMan1> uuuuuugh
May 10 02:30:16 <lostnthenet> AFK
May 10 02:30:27 <sbromwich> mmm... that definitely sounds like a userspace issue to me FuMan1 ;-)
May 10 02:32:07 <RagingMind> how hard would it be to replace a service that's on the phone?
May 10 02:32:28 <FuMan1> sbromwich:  i don't expect you to solve allll of my problems
May 10 02:32:31 <FuMan1> but, you are well on your way
May 10 02:32:49 <sbromwich> heh
May 10 02:33:19 <sbromwich> anyway... time for bed, laters :-)
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