**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 10 02:59:57 2010
May 10 03:16:57 <rwhitby> can someone test that the latest preware-bootstrap script works for Preware 1.0.0 ?
May 10 03:19:34 <PullingJ> any further guidance on whether installing package manager service is the expected behavior when upgrading from preware .9.99 to 1.0 ?
May 10 03:20:06 <rwhitby> PullingJ: it is expected, it is then removed as the last step of the upgrade, as noted in the ChangeLog for 1.0.0 in the description in Preware
May 10 03:20:30 <PullingJ> I saw that it was removed, didn't notice that it would be re-installed
May 10 03:20:57 <PullingJ> preware .99 already removed it when i upgraded from .9.38 or whatever i was on before
May 10 03:22:01 <rwhitby> yep, whether or not it tries to install it again depends on what is listed in the dependencies of all the various installed preware and preware alpha packages and those in the feeds that you have listed
May 10 03:22:22 <rwhitby> if any of them list a dependency on ipkgservice, it will be reinstalled, and then re-removed in the postinst script
May 10 03:23:52 <PullingJ> oh, so like luna manager?
May 10 03:24:44 <PullingJ> which still works fine with preware .9.99 and no package manager service installed?  do those use the built-in service?
May 10 03:28:46 <rwhitby> no, I mean various versions of Preware and Preware Alpha
May 10 03:28:56 <rwhitby> (including your installed versions of such)
May 10 03:29:25 <rwhitby> basically, the dependency will hang around until it has been removed from everything
May 10 03:29:34 <PullingJ> oh, ok.  I'll just do what it wants and not worry about it.  I only have preware .9.99 installed now.
May 10 03:29:49 <PullingJ> OH, there is still a dependency on file?
May 10 03:30:27 <rwhitby> I believe I've just removed the last one from the webos-internals/all feed
May 10 03:31:08 <rwhitby> it was safer to have ipkgservice reinstalled, than to have something leave you with no service installed.
May 10 03:32:58 * rwhitby bbl
May 10 04:41:53 <jhojho_> anyone know if the agps patch is in the preware feed yet?
May 10 04:45:14 <lostnthenet> later guys
May 10 05:01:04 <halfhalo_T400> pie
May 10 05:02:14 <jhojho_> webos internals has jumped the shark! there's a facebook page now =)
May 10 05:02:23 <halfhalo_T400> Yup
May 10 05:03:32 <halfhalo_T400> Two more days... Two more days until no more finals and new camera
May 10 05:05:19 <jhojho_> what are you getting?
May 10 05:06:07 <halfhalo_T400> Pentax K-x with Two Lens's, enerloop charging pack, and 8GB SDHC card for a grand total of 655
May 10 05:08:19 <rwhitby> jhojho_: "jumped the shark" ?
May 10 05:08:40 <halfhalo_T400> Shark with friggin lazer beams attached to its head?
May 10 05:09:11 * halfhalo_T400 wishes for a shark with friggin lazer beams attached to its head...
May 10 05:11:22 <halfhalo_T400> Gah
May 10 05:11:33 <halfhalo_T400> I need my paycheck or new cc to get here now
May 10 05:14:47 <halfhalo_T400> hmmmmm
May 10 05:41:38 <hmagoo> http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49681-report-hp-prepping-webos-powered-tablet
May 10 05:44:23 <idw2k|wirc> just reprinting the same examiner story
May 10 05:44:53 <idw2k|wirc> interesting the apparent corroboration from engadget, though
May 10 05:45:26 <hmagoo> and of course after you buy something you want to promote it
May 10 05:45:37 <hmagoo> leak a little here and there
May 10 05:46:32 <idw2k|wirc> I would be surprisedi if they have something ready that fast
May 10 05:46:58 <hmagoo> well, not if they already had  a linux based device
May 10 05:47:34 <idw2k|wirc> I should clarify that I mean ready to really take on apple
May 10 05:47:59 <idw2k|wirc> obviously webOS could be ported relatively easily as is
May 10 05:49:03 <idw2k|wirc> the killer app would be flash, which is not totally out of the question in that timeframe
May 10 05:49:40 <hmagoo> looks like apple is going after a proprietary flash replacement
May 10 05:50:05 <idw2k|wirc> good luck to them with that
May 10 05:51:32 <idw2k|wirc> it doesn't make sense to me, but if you've got ten million customers who would buy steve jobs' pop if you put it in a brushed aluminum case you look at things differently
May 10 05:51:42 <idw2k|wirc> poo*
May 10 05:57:35 <jhojho_> rwhitby:  =)
May 10 05:57:56 <jhojho_> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jump+the+shark%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
May 10 06:17:22 <oil> who is kevank?
May 10 06:24:15 <rwhitby> oil: dunno
May 10 06:25:46 <lostnthenet> where can I find the irc archives for this channel?
May 10 06:25:56 <oil> lostnthenet: lined in the topic
May 10 06:26:07 <lostnthenet> doh
May 10 06:26:28 <lostnthenet> I swear I tried to read it.  :P
May 10 06:26:30 <rwhitby> lostnthenet: maybe that's why your lostnthenet ;)
May 10 06:26:39 <lostnthenet> probably
May 10 06:26:49 <oil> rwhitby: he made a hot apps thing "for homebrew"
May 10 06:27:07 <rwhitby> oil: oh, link?
May 10 06:27:08 <oil> but its in the palm-web feed, afaik its not eligible
May 10 06:27:16 <oil> rwhitby: i saw it in preware after upgrading to 1.0
May 10 06:30:55 <lostnthenet> trying to work on that usb charging cable I was talking about earlier
May 10 06:31:25 <lostnthenet> first test complete and I didn't blow up the pre or the laptop
May 10 06:35:47 <dirtyblacksocks> Is WebOS hanging when installing a theme through the PreWare program installed onto the phone a common problem?
May 10 06:38:23 <ka6sox> anybody powered the Pre from a powersupply without the battery?
May 10 06:38:28 <lostnthenet> sweet, got it working.  That was quick
May 10 06:39:21 <lostnthenet> i had to short the signal wires on the pre side so it would recognize as fast charge.  Of course this means the cable will only work for charging and not data
May 10 06:39:47 <rwhitby> ka6sox: it usually won't work
May 10 06:40:03 <chrisa> lostnthenet: I've made several of those cables at work for testing, it should work fine
May 10 06:40:13 <rwhitby> ka6sox: most phones need the instantaneous current capabilities of the battery for cellular transmit
May 10 06:40:27 <chrisa> Hmm, yes and no rwhitby
May 10 06:41:12 <chrisa> Pre/Pixi can be powered entirely off a supply providing 3.8-4.2v, however you'll run into issues with non-internal builds of the code freaking out over there being no battery
May 10 06:41:31 <rwhitby> chrisa: even when transmitting?
May 10 06:41:35 <chrisa> In linux you can just kill powerd, but that doesn't help bootie seeing no battery
May 10 06:41:59 <lostnthenet> chrisa: have you made the cables with 2 usb A inputs to allow 1000mA of current?
May 10 06:42:19 <chrisa> uh huh, though we usually limit AC to 800 mA or so if I recall
May 10 06:42:41 <chrisa> I forget why, but there was a reason 1A wasn't preferred on wall chargers
May 10 06:43:11 <lostnthenet> I was doing it to see if I could charge the pre faster at work from a pc instead of having another charger
May 10 06:43:14 <chrisa> rwhitby: if we're talking a power supply hooked in as a battery would be, yes
May 10 06:43:40 <chrisa> lostnthenet: careful, usb ports are not supposed to go above 500mA according to standard, you're in "undefined behavior" territory
May 10 06:43:53 <chrisa> It'll cause a reset on the controller on a lot of laptops
May 10 06:44:25 <lostnthenet> im using 2 ports that are each putting out 500mA like they do on alot of usb hard drives
May 10 06:44:32 <ka6sox> chrisa, so bootie will be upset with only powering the pins with a PS?
May 10 06:44:36 <lostnthenet> so not exceeding usb spec per port
May 10 06:44:41 <rwhitby> chrisa: yeah, power supply will do it easily. but not usb port
May 10 06:45:10 <chrisa> rwhitby: right, a call can spike above 1A on a rare occasion, that'll cause a reset. But he was talking a power supply via the battery pins I assumed
May 10 06:45:28 <chrisa> ka6sox: it won't be able to communicate with a battery, so yes
May 10 06:45:30 <rwhitby> chrisa: oh, yeah, you're right.  I misread the original question.
May 10 06:47:02 <ka6sox> chrisa, will it just hang or go into a reboot loop?
May 10 06:47:37 <chrisa> It'll display an image similar to [?]
May 10 06:47:52 <chrisa> and wait for a battery, eventually it shuts down iirc
May 10 06:48:02 <chrisa> I haven't touched that code since last summer though
May 10 06:48:33 <ka6sox> rats...I'm hoping to take current readings on the different kernels they are playing with.
May 10 06:49:15 <rwhitby> ka6sox: voltage across a resistor in series with the battery?
May 10 06:49:15 <chrisa> Something you could try is boot with a battery, plug ac in, kill powerd, remove the battery and hook the power supply, then remove ac
May 10 06:49:24 <chrisa> But I don't officially endorse this
May 10 06:49:37 <rwhitby> and it *will* void your warranty :)
May 10 06:49:54 <ka6sox> chrisa, I understand.
May 10 06:50:06 <chrisa> powerd handles a lot of misc power things like screen dimming, etc. So it may be a bad test without that running
May 10 06:50:42 <rwhitby> heh, sbromwich considers powerd to be the source of most of the power drain on a Pre :)
May 10 06:51:45 <chrisa> It's a fairly lightweight daemon that handles a lot of important tasks. I'm not surprised he incorrectly blames it
May 10 06:52:04 <lostnthenet> so is sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA the only way to tell how much current the device is pulling?
May 10 06:52:09 <rwhitby> it wakes up fairly frequently, doesn't it?
May 10 06:52:31 <chrisa> You think it wakes up randomly for no reason?
May 10 06:52:59 <chrisa> lostnthenet: there's also a luna command, you can probably see it by watching the bus
May 10 06:53:57 <rwhitby> chrisa: no, I expect it's justified in all it's wakes.  I haven't followed the details closely, so take what I'm spouting with a huge grain of salt :)
May 10 06:55:11 <ka6sox> chrisa, can I re-enable powerd when I get it on the PS or will that fail too?
May 10 06:55:44 <chrisa> I'm pretty sure it'll see that you have no battery and initiate a shutdown to the [?] logo
May 10 06:56:46 <ka6sox> does the battery report current? ie: can I fake it out by letting it communicate but NOT power things off of it?
May 10 06:58:33 <chrisa> Beyond this and it may be frowned upon for me to say anything
May 10 06:58:40 <chrisa> -and
May 10 06:59:45 <ka6sox> okay ..np.
May 10 07:01:49 <rwhitby> ka6sox: things talk to the battery (I think it's a one wire protocol)
May 10 07:25:35 <hape> morning
May 10 07:47:35 <swisstomcat> morning
May 10 08:53:40 <ka6sox> okay figured out how to make the unit think there is a battery, now to hack a USB cable so it doesn't provide power.
May 10 09:05:11 * rwhitby runs fileCoaster to see if it can install Preware 1.0
May 10 09:11:58 <swisstomcat> filecoaster .. haven't used that in ages :)
May 10 09:14:54 <jhojho_> that was uninstalled ages ago
May 10 09:15:33 <jhojho_> now just waiting for that agps patch to show up in preware
May 10 09:20:32 <rwhitby> nope, fileCoaster cannot
May 10 09:25:39 <ka6sox> our kernels currently do not support pcrm?
May 10 09:26:54 <rwhitby> oh man, I'm loving the wifi profile support I added to meta-doctor :)
May 10 09:27:08 <rwhitby> meta-doctor, palm-install preware, done.
May 10 09:37:01 <hucksy> rwhitby: http://www.golem.de/1005/75022.html
May 10 09:37:43 <hucksy> big german IT newssite
May 10 09:39:36 <rwhitby> hucksy: thx
May 10 09:40:06 <hucksy> np
May 10 09:47:21 <swisstomcat> cool
May 10 09:47:31 <swisstomcat> "alternative app catalog for webos"
May 10 10:51:02 <rwhitby> I think I've just found the way to detect an unclean reboot.
May 10 10:51:17 <rwhitby> "lunaprop -a" has all sorts of good stuff
May 10 10:52:05 <rwhitby> "lunaprop -m com.palm.properties.prevShutdownClean" in particulr
May 10 10:52:30 <rwhitby> false after a power wiggle wiggle
May 10 10:53:40 <rwhitby> true after a blob+sym+r
May 10 11:18:52 <idw2k|wirc> the "power wiggle wiggle" thing never works on my pre, oddly enough
May 10 11:39:46 <kirkdsmith70> test
May 10 11:40:49 <kirkdsmith70> anyone online
May 10 11:47:32 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 10 12:07:08 <DrFunk> hello all just wondering if there is a way to upload videos to Facebook from you tube (ex patch) ?
May 10 12:13:16 <swisstomcat> thought that you  can upload to facebook from the video recorder app
May 10 12:13:36 <DrFunk> you can
May 10 12:14:02 <DrFunk> but swisstomcat if ur looking @ videos on youtube how can you do it ?
May 10 12:14:37 <swisstomcat> ah, upload from the youtube app to facebook?
May 10 12:14:54 <DrFunk> yes
May 10 12:15:16 <sbromwich> chrisa: I'm not saying powerd is to blame, I'm saying powerd is telling the kernel to go to sleep, the kernel is being fed a bad value for (IIRC) MPU to sleep, the kernel returns fail to powerd, powerd tries again to tell the kernel to go to sleep and it gets stuck in a loop like that until power is applied
May 10 12:15:37 <en0x> DrFunk: can't u just download the video from youtube and then use video app to upload it to fb?
May 10 12:16:29 <DrFunk> I've tried that no luck en0x
May 10 12:16:42 <sbromwich> chrisa: that was my logic in putting a wfi instruction in the fail section of the code
May 10 12:18:09 <DrFunk> en0x: could you think of anything else ?
May 10 12:18:50 <en0x> nope
May 10 12:19:03 <en0x> i'm hangover it's hard to think
May 10 12:19:57 <swisstomcat> guess it's not possible then, drfunk
May 10 12:20:30 <DrFunk> errrr
May 10 12:44:27 <TheInvsbleManpre> Does anyone in here remember when Palm first allowed paid apps in the app catalog and how they accidentally gave out free downloads if you had previously downloaded the app via homebrew?
May 10 12:45:44 <en0x> this has been fixed
May 10 12:45:57 <en0x> it was something related to app id
May 10 12:46:01 <TheInvsbleManpre> Oh yes of course I know
May 10 12:46:20 <TheInvsbleManpre> I have a lingering side effect from that though that I needed help with
May 10 12:48:34 <TheInvsbleManpre> I mistakenly received a free copy of Word Whirl. And since they fixed it the app was disabled which I am completely ok with. But the thing is Palm still thinks it is registered to my profile and every time I doctor it tries to redownload it and fails because I have not actually paid for it. Also when I open the updates app it ALWAYS says there are app updates available because of Word Whirl
May 10 12:48:47 <swisstomcat> it has been fixed? you can't just create your own hello world app and have an app-id of another app and then update it through the appstore?
May 10 12:48:54 <TheInvsbleManpre> Is there any way I can get this cleared out of my Palm profile so it doesn't do this
May 10 12:49:39 <TheInvsbleManpre> Swisstomcat: nope, they fixed it shortly after it happened.
May 10 12:50:14 <swisstomcat> i managed to install two free apps that were not available in my country that way
May 10 12:50:43 <TheInvsbleManpre> I'm guessing this is something I would have to call Palm for I just figured I would check here first.
May 10 12:51:15 <TheInvsbleManpre> Swisstomcat: free apps are a different story. Paid apps are protected as far as I know.
May 10 12:51:33 <swisstomcat> i'm not interested in piracy
May 10 12:51:44 <swisstomcat> it might still work for free apps then
May 10 12:52:45 <TheInvsbleManpre> Yea. I am not interested in piracy either. I'm just trying to get Word Whirl cleared from my profile. It's not causing any issues other than being annoying.
May 10 12:54:44 <TheInvsbleManpre> I'm guessing the only ways to get rid of it would be to all Palm and have them clear it out or to purchase it.
May 10 12:54:50 <swisstomcat> hmm, i wonder if palm can actually edit your profile
May 10 12:54:54 <TheInvsbleManpre> Call Palm*
May 10 12:55:30 <TheInvsbleManpre> I would think they can.
May 10 12:55:56 <TheInvsbleManpre> Maybe I'll give them a call later. I'm on jury duty at the moment.
May 10 13:07:44 <TheInvsbleMan> Can we clock below 500mhz for screen off usin the SS gov yet? Or is it still buggy?
May 10 13:13:05 <swisstomcat> what i heard was that 125mhz is not stable
May 10 13:19:25 <RagingMind> I haven't heard anyone complain about 250 yet
May 10 13:19:31 <RagingMind> and 125 is stable for me
May 10 13:47:18 <JesusMcCloud> 125 is unstable here
May 10 13:59:21 <TheInvsbleMan> Can we clock below 500mhz for screen off using the SS gov yet or is that still buggy?
May 10 15:59:51 <pablob> Hi
May 10 16:00:01 <pablob> Im following the instructions in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
May 10 16:00:18 <pablob> but Im getting link errors at 'make stage' time
May 10 16:01:00 <pablob> is anybody seeing the same?
May 10 16:17:08 <phil_bw> oh wow that hurt... corner of my slim hp wireless keyboard to the foot... so much for carpel tunnel warnings on these things, need foot injury warnings too...
May 10 16:18:08 <ka6sox> phil_bw, IBM made a keyboard that we swear weighed in at 10 lbs.  we called it a Bludgeon.
May 10 16:18:41 <ka6sox> if you dropped it on your foot it would break it.
May 10 16:19:10 <phil_bw> ka6sox, this one is super light (hp elite series), but it's got very defined edges, stabbed my poor foot
May 10 16:19:43 <ka6sox> ouch! that doesn't sound good at all.
May 10 16:20:06 <phil_bw> no... still bloody hurts
May 10 16:20:17 <phil_bw> could have probably dropped the whole laptop on my foot and came out better
May 10 16:20:26 <en0x> cut ur foot... it won't hurt anymore
May 10 16:20:59 <Marajin>  I remember those IBM keyboards
May 10 16:21:01 <Marajin> I loved those things
May 10 16:21:25 <phil_bw> yes, indivudual metal switches on every key
May 10 16:21:33 <phil_bw> could hear someone typing from 100 yards away
May 10 16:22:58 <ka6sox> that was the sound of "productivity"
May 10 16:23:28 <phil_bw> oh indeed
May 10 16:26:44 <Marajin> sure but did they ever break?
May 10 16:26:45 <Marajin> noooooo
May 10 16:26:57 <Marajin> they'd break the user before they'd break themselves
May 10 16:32:06 <Mitalis> Is there a way to lock in the governor settings in Gonvah after a reboot?
May 10 16:32:29 <ka6sox> Mitalis, not currently
May 10 16:33:04 <Mitalis> k thank you
May 10 16:33:09 <ka6sox> yw
May 10 16:33:41 <ka6sox> lets see if novacomd finds the phone with this no-power hacked USB cable.
May 10 16:45:28 <sbromwich> anyone got a landline and a pre running stock palm kernel and willing to run a test for me?
May 10 16:45:57 <sbromwich> unplug the pre from usb, turn it off, call it from the landline and see how many rings it takes before it wakes up and starts playing the ringtone
May 10 16:54:37 <phil_bw> sbromwich, I've got a Pre running the stock palm kernel but alas no landline (or second cell since the wife isn't home)
May 10 17:11:46 <sbromwich> worth a try ;-)
May 10 17:12:03 <sbromwich> from mine it takes 2 rings before the pre wakes and starts playing the ringtone, does that sound about right to anyone else?
May 10 17:12:34 <phil_bw> that sounds about right, like when I call my wife's pre or she calls mine to find it
May 10 17:12:49 <sbromwich> sweet.
May 10 17:12:50 <phil_bw> sometime during the second ring we usually hear the tone
May 10 17:13:07 <sbromwich> ok, I think I added about 0.5s to that then
May 10 17:13:51 <phil_bw> I'd be happy to let someone try calling my Pre and I'll post as soon as it lights up
May 10 17:14:03 <phil_bw> but I don't know what kind of ring difference there will be for people living far away
May 10 17:14:19 <sbromwich> mmm... tricky, I think it's one of those things that you need to be watching the pre whilst you're calling it
May 10 17:14:37 <phil_bw> yeah, that would indeed be the easiest
May 10 17:14:47 <sbromwich> although you make a good point... there could be some latency going through the carrier, and the carrier is just feeding me a ring to make me understand the line isn't dead
May 10 17:15:03 <phil_bw> I mean even if I went from land line to cell
May 10 17:15:13 <phil_bw> in my case I would be going from Verizon to Sprint
May 10 17:15:30 <phil_bw> the best test would probably be Sprint to Sprint, I'll try it when the wife gets home
May 10 17:15:39 <sbromwich> thanks :-)
May 10 17:16:01 <sbromwich> I just pushed out -26 ("yoda") to the autobuilder, hopefully that'll fix a lot of complaints
May 10 17:16:33 <bazinga_> hey all...is there an easy way to upgrade from preware alpha to v1?
May 10 17:16:37 <phil_bw> one of these days I'll try one of your fancy kernels
May 10 17:20:17 <bazinga_> anyone?
May 10 17:21:52 <bazinga_> 9.38 is still on the internals feed (all)
May 10 17:21:58 <bazinga_> in WOQI
May 10 17:23:39 <sbromwich> phil_bw: there's a feed for it now, even :-)
May 10 17:24:53 <phil_bw> sbromwich, I'm keeping my Pre stock to try to optimize my X setup as best as I can
May 10 17:34:31 <sbromwich> sounds fair enough
May 10 17:39:35 <phil_bw> blahhh, is it really that hard to find a decent macro recorder... :(
May 10 17:40:08 <sbromwich> under linux?
May 10 17:40:13 <phil_bw> all I want to do is make F5 do the equiv of ctrl+s, ctrl+k, ctrl+v
May 10 17:40:18 <phil_bw> win7
May 10 17:40:29 <sbromwich> can't help you there I'm afraid ;-)
May 10 17:41:34 <phil_bw> oh well, thanks anyway
May 10 17:42:52 <bazinga_> hey all...is there an easy way to upgrade from preware alpha to v1?
May 10 17:43:29 <sbromwich> bazinga_: dunno, your best bet is to wait another 5 or 6 hours and see if you can grab rwhitby
May 10 17:43:41 <sbromwich> and then of course document it up on the wiki :-)
May 10 17:43:53 <bazinga_> sure...
May 10 17:44:29 <bazinga_> the latest is not even on the feed for WOSQI
May 10 17:45:05 <sbromwich> I've never used wosqi so I can't help you there I'm afraid :-/
May 10 17:45:43 <phil_bw> the feeds are the same (for Preware and WOSQI)
May 10 17:46:13 <nt4cats> bazinga_: what do you mean 'upgrade ' from alpha to v1?  You just install v1
May 10 17:46:22 <bazinga_> sigh
May 10 17:46:25 <bazinga_> i have alpha installed
May 10 17:46:28 <bazinga_> there is no upgrade
May 10 17:46:39 <bazinga_> at least not on preware on my phone
May 10 17:47:00 <nt4cats> bazinga_: yes, that's my point.  There is no upgrade, because they are two different products
May 10 17:47:08 <bazinga_> they are?
May 10 17:47:11 <nt4cats> bazinga_: If you want to run preware (non-alpha) install it
May 10 17:47:14 <bazinga_> i was told that the alpha would become v1
May 10 17:47:23 <nt4cats> bazinga_: yes, one product is named "Preware Aplha", one is named "Preware"
May 10 17:47:41 <bazinga_> bad info i guess
May 10 17:47:51 <bazinga_> thx
May 10 17:48:33 <bazinga_> i dont see v1 in my webosqi
May 10 17:49:25 <nt4cats> bazinga_; if you have preware alpha on your phone refresh your feeds and install preware
May 10 17:49:34 <bazinga_> sigh sigh
May 10 17:49:42 <bazinga_> i just told u its not there
May 10 17:50:23 <bazinga_> dont worry..i will check forums
May 10 17:50:29 <nt4cats> bazinga_: I just arrived (really just came back from lunch), so I didn't know it wasn't showing up in preware
May 10 17:50:44 <nt4cats> bazinga_: let me check my feeds ...
May 10 17:51:08 <nt4cats> Can you open up your preware alpha for me, please?
May 10 17:52:06 <djk> Anyone else having trouble run the App Catalog Update? The first app in the list is blank and the rest seem to be just hang on download.
May 10 17:52:45 * nt4cats sees Preware 1.0.0 in his Preware update feeds
May 10 17:53:29 <djk> not the Preware feeds the Apps
May 10 17:54:27 <nt4cats> djk: sorry, I am trying to help someone else with a Preware issue
May 10 17:54:40 <nt4cats> bazinga_: are you still here?
May 10 17:54:54 <djk> nt4cats: thanks didn't know
May 10 17:56:56 <nt4cats> Is there a term for people who get annoyed with you when you try to help them -- especially if you're not familiar with the comments they made before you arrived?
May 10 17:58:06 <nt4cats> bazinga_: in spite of the fact that you're getting testy with me, I'd be glad to help you if/when you come back
May 10 17:59:13 <sbromwich> nt4cats: in england we call them "muppets"
May 10 18:00:42 <nt4cats> djk: I'll try my app catalog in a minute, I haven't gone there today.   I have seen behavior similar to that in the past, and it lasted a few hours then ...
May 10 18:03:13 <nt4cats> djk: my app catalog seems to be behaving okay ... maybe the problem is intermittent (or you're hitting a different update server than me, maybe)
May 10 18:32:22 <djk> I'm wondering if it is the first app that is blank and I can't identify what it is. I would delete if I could figure that out
May 10 18:35:28 <djk> It's been this way for a week or so. I have booted it and all to force any hung service to clear but that doesn't seem to be the problem
May 10 18:58:10 <sbromwich> markov chains for a quit message?
May 10 19:06:35 <swisstomcat> evening
May 10 19:06:59 <swisstomcat> tagline in preware needs to change "we will get to v.1.0 .. eventually"
May 10 19:07:02 <nt4cats> meow swissy
May 10 19:07:24 <swisstomcat> meow nt4
May 10 19:11:01 <Adam24> the install button is not working on the palm feeds.
May 10 19:11:11 <nt4cats> Adam24: in Preware?
May 10 19:11:18 <Adam24> yes
May 10 19:11:24 <nt4cats> Adam24: which version of Preware?
May 10 19:11:39 <Adam24> 1.0.0
May 10 19:12:23 <nt4cats> (firing up Preware v1.0 ...)
May 10 19:13:48 <nt4cats> Adam24: what behavior are you seeing?
May 10 19:13:56 <swisstomcat> this tagline in preware 1.0 needs to change "we will get to v.1.0 .. eventually"
May 10 19:14:22 <nt4cats> Adam24: I just installed "AnimalMemory" from the Palm Beta feed and it went swimmingly well
May 10 19:14:48 <Adam24> I click the install button on an app's page in the palm feed and nothing happens.
May 10 19:15:13 <nt4cats> is your application catalog icon working by itself?
May 10 19:16:44 <Adam24> I'm using this in the emulator which is supported by preware's configuration.
May 10 19:17:20 <nt4cats> Adam24: Hmmm, does the Palm Beta feed work for you?
May 10 19:17:26 <Adam24> no
May 10 19:17:44 <en0x> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0798/2447_3eb4.png hehehe
May 10 19:17:48 <Adam24> install button turns blue and that all that happens.
May 10 19:17:51 <swisstomcat> hey nt4cats .. how do you like animalmemory?
May 10 19:17:52 <nt4cats> Adam24: well it is working for me, I wonder if this is an emulator-specific issue
May 10 19:18:02 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: Dunno, I haven't launched it yet
May 10 19:18:36 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: it looked like something I could use to distract my kids in a pinch ... I'll try it on the train home tonight
May 10 19:18:57 <swisstomcat> do you know that that's my app (well, one of them)
May 10 19:19:39 <nt4cats> I didn't know that.  My daughter digs cows, it has a cow icon and I needed to pick a random app to respond to Adam24's "feeds aren't working" error report
May 10 19:19:53 <swisstomcat> do you also have moo, nt4cats?
May 10 19:20:11 <nt4cats> CowSays Moo?  Yes.
May 10 19:20:17 <swisstomcat> just Moo
May 10 19:20:22 <nt4cats> oh, just Moo, yes
May 10 19:20:36 <nt4cats> I have both (again, my daughter likes cows)
May 10 19:20:44 <swisstomcat> that's my other app :)
May 10 19:21:01 <swisstomcat> my son likes animal sounds/images too
May 10 19:21:39 <swisstomcat> i don't think the app catalog works at all on the emulator, adam23
May 10 19:21:42 <swisstomcat> adam24
May 10 19:22:37 <bazinga_> back
May 10 19:22:38 <bazinga_> sorry
May 10 19:22:42 <bazinga_> i am getting testy with u?
May 10 19:22:54 <Adam24> yes, swisstomcat?
May 10 19:22:55 <bazinga_> lol...no worries then
May 10 19:23:02 <nt4cats> bazinga_: maybe a little
May 10 19:23:10 <nt4cats> bazinga_: but I'm glad to help you resolve your issue
May 10 19:23:16 <swisstomcat>  don't think the app catalog works at all on the emulator, adam24
May 10 19:23:21 <bazinga_> guess that is your opinion
May 10 19:23:25 <bazinga_> not sure why u think that
May 10 19:23:58 <nt4cats> bazinga_: I'd rather focus on solving your problem instead of copying-and-pasting our previous conversation
May 10 19:24:12 <bazinga_> wow
May 10 19:24:37 <DrFunk> is it possible to copy and paste in terminal ?
May 10 19:24:39 <bazinga_> is there an upgrade path from alpha to version 1 or preware
May 10 19:24:45 <bazinga_> of
May 10 19:24:51 <nt4cats> bazinga_: No there is not.  They are two separate applications.
May 10 19:24:55 <bazinga_> thanks
May 10 19:24:59 <nt4cats> bazinga_: all you need to do is install Preware
May 10 19:25:18 <bazinga_> v1 of preware is not yet avail except as an upgrade
May 10 19:25:20 <bazinga_> correct?
May 10 19:25:22 <oil> install preware, remove prewarel alpha
May 10 19:25:27 <Adam24> swisstomcat, the homebrew feeds work in the emulator.
May 10 19:25:34 <nt4cats> oil: I've been trying to tell him that, he hasn't listened yet
May 10 19:25:40 <bazinga_> the reason i have alpha is nt4cats suggestion...
May 10 19:25:47 <bazinga_> i had issued with package manager version
May 10 19:25:49 <nt4cats> bazinga_: open up Preware alpha for me please
May 10 19:25:57 <swisstomcat> adam24: yes,homebrew works but not the app catalog
May 10 19:26:23 <bazinga_> done
May 10 19:26:41 <nt4cats> bazinga_: once it is open, please select "list of everything"
May 10 19:27:05 <bazinga_> done
May 10 19:27:20 <nt4cats> bazinga_: after selecting "list of everything" type (no quotes) "preware"
May 10 19:27:41 <bazinga_> got it
May 10 19:27:48 <nt4cats> bazinga_: if your feeds have been refreshed lately (you told me they were), you'll see "Preware v1.0.0" under "yesterday"
May 10 19:27:58 <bazinga_> correct
May 10 19:28:09 <nt4cats> now you can select Preware v1.0.0
May 10 19:28:11 <bazinga_> so my question was if v1 is avail standalone yet
May 10 19:28:23 <DrFunk> yes
May 10 19:28:25 <nt4cats> yes
May 10 19:28:27 <DrFunk> lol
May 10 19:28:44 <DrFunk> sup cats
May 10 19:28:56 <nt4cats> once you have Preware 1.0.0 open all you need to do is click the "install" button.
May 10 19:29:11 <nt4cats> Once you've done that you can remove Preware alpha if you'd like.
May 10 19:30:06 <DrFunk> so is it possible to copy and paste from terminal ?
May 10 19:30:50 <nt4cats> DrFunk: I don't think so
May 10 19:31:15 <DrFunk> ack so it has to be a screen shot than
May 10 19:31:17 <nt4cats> DrFunk: there is a [small] chance I'm wrong, but I'm reasonably sure you cannot
May 10 19:31:31 <DrFunk> oil
May 10 19:32:23 <nt4cats> DrFunk: ... so I'm not claiming to be authoritative -- you're not allowed to flame, cyber-stalk, or look at me with a funny expression if I am proved wrong
May 10 19:32:50 <oil> ?
May 10 19:32:51 <DrFunk> lmao @ nt4cats
May 10 19:33:10 <nt4cats> DrFunk: is this something where you can pipe the output to a file and then copy the results off of your pre and use/post?
May 10 19:33:16 <DrFunk> oil: do you know if you can copy and paste in terminal
May 10 19:33:31 * oil copy/pastes nt4cats answer
May 10 19:34:03 <nt4cats> oil: you have to author your own caveats, however.  I have mine protected by international copyright treaty
May 10 19:34:19 <oil> ok
May 10 19:34:22 <oil> let me put it this way
May 10 19:34:23 <DrFunk> nt4cats: what do you mean
May 10 19:34:34 <oil> i've never copied from or pasted into terminal
May 10 19:34:38 <oil> that doesn't mean its not possible
May 10 19:35:16 <DrFunk> well lets just say I did a uptime and want to copy the results
May 10 19:35:38 <oil> pipe it to a file on /media/internal and usb it off :)
May 10 19:35:48 <nt4cats> DrFunk: if you're in terminal and you run "xyz" it is producing output you want to capture somehow.  Can you run "xyz > /media/internal/my_results.txt" and then transfer the my_results.txt file off of your Pre (using scp or mounting your Pre in USB mode)?
May 10 19:36:06 <nt4cats> DrFunk: "uptime > /media/internal/uptime.txt"
May 10 19:37:39 <DrFunk> nope
May 10 19:37:46 <DrFunk> I just tried it errr
May 10 19:38:12 <nt4cats> [ddenardo@cylon src]$ uptime > /tmp/foo
May 10 19:38:12 <nt4cats> [ddenardo@cylon src]$ cat /tmp/foo
May 10 19:38:12 <nt4cats>  15:38:00 up  6:54, 13 users,  load average: 1.19, 0.46, 0.16
May 10 19:38:24 <nt4cats> DrFunk: it just worked here
May 10 19:38:55 <DrFunk> hmmm
May 10 19:38:55 <en0x> oh oh palm pre plus hits att on the 16th
May 10 19:39:46 <DrFunk> nt4cats: what can I be doing wrong
May 10 19:40:01 <DrFunk> besides using the pre :)
May 10 19:40:21 <DrFunk> en0x: att stinks
May 10 19:41:57 <nt4cats> DrFunk: as a stability test I uninstalled openssh from my Pre 1 hour ago, so I don't have a quick way to login to my pre
May 10 19:42:30 <nt4cats> DrFunk: you didn't type the quotes, did you?
May 10 19:42:44 <DrFunk> nt4cats: I was asking how you did it
May 10 19:42:48 <DrFunk> no I didnt
May 10 19:42:56 <nt4cats> I copy-and-pasted exactly what I did
May 10 19:43:14 <nt4cats> DrFunk: Can you screen shot your try and post it to something like imgur.com?
May 10 19:44:06 <en0x> DrFunk: been there done that
May 10 19:45:23 <DrFunk> what's that nt4cats
May 10 19:45:48 <Adam24> here's a ScreenFlow screencast explaining my problem:http://drop.io/Adam2453/asset/preware-mov
May 10 19:47:09 <nt4cats> DrFunk: do you know how to make a screenshot of your Pre?
May 10 19:47:30 <DrFunk> nt4cats: yes
May 10 19:47:38 <DrFunk> I can take a screen shot
May 10 19:47:51 <nt4cats> okay, with your terminal app showing how you tried to save the results of "uptime", take a screenshot.
May 10 19:48:12 <DrFunk> but don't think I can upload to  imgur.com
May 10 19:48:25 <DrFunk> I'm on my pre now
May 10 19:49:34 <nt4cats> you'll have to connect your Pre to your PC in USB mode and then use your PC's browser to upload them, then.
May 10 19:49:49 <nt4cats> Maybe one of the other picture sharing services is easier
May 10 19:49:59 <nt4cats> I don't have a preference for which one is used ...
May 10 19:50:56 <DrFunk> oh so nt4cats imgur is for pc than ?
May 10 19:51:22 <nt4cats> imgur.com is one example a of a free and easy-to-use picture/photo file sharing site
May 10 19:51:31 <nt4cats> something like pastebin.com is for text
May 10 19:52:30 <DrFunk> I think I no what I did
May 10 19:52:52 <DrFunk> I need the > like you did but I have to see how I do that in terminal
May 10 19:53:41 <DrFunk> nt4cats: do you no if there is a link for the sym commands for terminal
May 10 19:53:42 <nt4cats> DrFunk: Shift key plus the .
May 10 19:54:00 <DrFunk> thanks
May 10 19:54:06 <DrFunk> let me try again
May 10 19:54:06 <nt4cats> DrFunk: all of the "non-obvious" keys can be found here:  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal
May 10 19:57:01 <DrFunk> thanks nt4cats
May 10 19:57:05 <DrFunk> got it now
May 10 19:57:16 <nt4cats> DrFunk: np
May 10 19:57:22 <DrFunk> doing a test on the pre
May 10 19:57:25 <DrFunk>  15:55:18 up 7 days, 14:46,  1 user,  load average: 0.91, 0.89, 0.87
May 10 19:58:53 <DrFunk> nt4cats: I wonder if there is a site to upload pics from the pre
May 10 20:05:00 <nt4cats> DrFunk: I'm not sure how friendly the Pre's browser is to uploads ... but I am going to poke around and see if I can find an adequate solution
May 10 20:05:38 <DrFunk> I'm doing the same now
May 10 20:07:34 <nt4cats> DrFunk: there is a flickr Uploader in Preware ...
May 10 20:10:02 <DrFunk> looks like maybe photoshare
May 10 20:10:14 <DrFunk> or photowall
May 10 20:10:45 <nt4cats> DrFunk: there is also an app called "PixelPipe Pro" that seems to connect with lots of services
May 10 20:18:01 <DrFunk> nt4cats: can you try this
May 10 20:18:02 <DrFunk> http://wimg.mp/ycz.txt
May 10 20:18:02 <DrFunk> plz
May 10 20:18:53 <nt4cats> DrFunk: up for 7 days, nice
May 10 20:18:59 <nt4cats> did you do that all on-phone?
May 10 20:19:36 <Lumiere> nt4cats: is it sad when you stop expecting 7 days uptime on a phone?
May 10 20:20:02 <DrFunk> yes
May 10 20:20:34 <nt4cats> DrFunk: gotta run to catch a train -- I'll be back online in about 20 minutes
May 10 20:20:43 <DrFunk> ok
May 10 20:20:45 * Lumiere doesn't remember to charge it enough... so my phone shuts off at about 11pm
May 10 20:21:05 <DrFunk> lol Lumiere
May 10 20:21:10 <DrFunk> going to try for 21 days
May 10 20:22:26 <DrFunk> bbs
May 10 20:44:10 <nt4cats> swissy is gone?
May 10 20:44:14 <nt4cats> ~seen swisstomcat
May 10 20:44:16 <infobot> swisstomcat <~tomcat@gw.ptr-80-238-233-84.customer.ch.netstream.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 18m 18s ago, saying: 'adam24: yes,homebrew works but not the app catalog'.
May 10 20:44:46 <Lumiere> he left 10 minutes ago or so
May 10 20:45:06 <nt4cats> that was very inconsiderate of him to leave when I want him now
May 10 20:45:24 <nt4cats> he'll have to be more thoughtful next time
May 10 20:45:36 <Lumiere> lol
May 10 20:45:57 <Lumiere> it's like me and rwhitby... he seemed to go to bed every time I had questions for him :)
May 10 20:46:07 <Lumiere> (don't have any right now)
May 10 20:46:45 <nt4cats> I think we should acquire robot parts to replace all of rwhitby's fleshy bits so that he won't need sleep and can just hang out here 24/7 and answer our questions
May 10 20:51:22 * nt4cats tried to get infobot to say \"mmmmmmm ... fleshy bits!\" but he wouldn't listen to me :/
May 10 20:52:21 <Lumiere> infobot: botsnack
May 10 20:52:21 <infobot> thanks, Lumiere
May 10 20:52:32 <Lumiere> it should say that to botsnack ;)
May 10 20:52:45 <nt4cats> ~botsnack
May 10 20:52:46 <infobot> nt4cats: aw, gee
May 10 20:53:04 <nt4cats> ~say I love Kiwis!
May 10 20:53:29 <Mitalis> Is there a link to browse the webos patches w/o the need for Preware?
May 10 20:53:51 <Lumiere> Mitalis: what do you mean by browse the patches?
May 10 20:53:56 <Lumiere> the list or the actuall diff?
May 10 20:55:03 <nt4cats> Mitalis: if you want to see the list of patches in a json-ish format you can look at the "Packages" file in this directory http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/
May 10 20:55:24 <nt4cats> (that's assuming you're looking for the webOS 1.4.1.1 version of the patches)
May 10 20:55:49 <Mitalis> perfect.. Thank you!
May 10 21:13:09 <Mitalis> Anybody know the name of that one patch that uses the gesture controls to pull up the additional options when in the browser?
May 10 21:16:09 <Mitalis> Or the other patch where you can swipe down from the top (where the clock resides) and it shows you today's events along with tomorrows?
May 10 21:27:00 <halfhalo_T400> Hehehe...
May 10 21:27:07 <halfhalo_T400> Two down and Two and a Half to go
May 10 22:37:06 <KnoxBNYC> Rod, you there?
May 10 22:37:55 <KnoxBNYC> rwhitby?
May 10 22:39:29 <KnoxBNYC> anybody inhere? :)
May 10 22:41:49 <Tibfib> nope!
May 10 22:42:09 <KnoxBNYC> lol
May 10 22:42:11 <KnoxBNYC> hmph
May 10 22:44:16 * phil_bw wanders by
May 10 22:45:46 <sbromwich>   
May 10 23:09:08 <rwhitby> morning
May 10 23:10:27 <sbromwich>  morning rwhitby
May 10 23:11:00 <sbromwich> given the number of people willing to donate to webos-internals... I wouldn't refuse a test pre to verify different revs of hardware
May 10 23:12:17 <chrisa> That doesn't sound noble. You're supposed to passive aggressively lament your lack of test hardware
May 10 23:12:26 <sbromwich> dammit
May 10 23:12:39 <sbromwich> oh, if only I had different revs of hardware to test my kernels on
May 10 23:12:55 <sbromwich> I can't help noting people are donating quantities of cash for webos-internals
May 10 23:12:58 <sbromwich> </bitter>
May 10 23:13:04 <sbromwich> how's that, chrisa? ;-)
May 10 23:13:28 * uNiXpSyChO wanders by
May 10 23:13:41 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO is to blame too
May 10 23:13:45 <sbromwich> it's all his fault
May 10 23:13:47 <sbromwich> somehow
May 10 23:13:54 * uNiXpSyChO starts running
May 10 23:13:56 <sbromwich> heh
May 10 23:14:01 * halfhalo_T400 wanders by but makes a quick stop to steal sbromwich's wallet
May 10 23:14:28 <sbromwich> bastids, the lot of ya
May 10 23:14:37 <halfhalo_T400> yup
May 10 23:15:02 <sbromwich> also why is it the glass can magically fill itself with alcoholic substances but the bottle can't?
May 10 23:15:34 <uNiXpSyChO> you need a barrel for that
May 10 23:15:54 <sbromwich> dammit, that's where I've been going wrong all these years
May 10 23:16:25 <rwhitby> sbromwich: done.  see private message for details.
May 10 23:18:42 <sbromwich> passive aggression ftw.
May 10 23:18:52 <sbromwich> thanks for the hint chrisa!
May 10 23:19:26 * halfhalo_T400 still has sbromwich's wallet though...
May 10 23:19:35 <rwhitby> sbromwich: of course, the fact that we've bought second hand devices for all the core devs to use for testing has nothing to do with it ;)
May 10 23:19:59 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: if you want 4 US dollar bills and a collection of cards that are useless outside nova scotia... batter on, good man, batter on
May 10 23:20:04 <sbromwich> heh
May 10 23:20:26 <halfhalo_T400> meh, I steal for the kicks
May 10 23:20:35 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: you're dead on if you ever need to fake treatment at the IWK children's hospital though
May 10 23:22:00 <phil_bw> so have any commercial devs met my challenge and donated?
May 10 23:22:43 <sbromwich> I will name my next kernel whatever you choose phil_bw
May 10 23:22:59 <phil_bw> haha
May 10 23:23:20 * phil_bw doesn't know star wars too good (I know I suck at being a nerd)
May 10 23:24:10 <sbromwich> 1.4.1-27.www.boraware.com_supports_webosinternals
May 10 23:24:40 <phil_bw> hahaha
May 10 23:25:01 <phil_bw> now I just need to get one of my commercial projects rolling... been too busy screwin with the open source stuff
May 10 23:25:14 <sbromwich> details, details ;-)
May 10 23:26:01 <phil_bw> it's a double edged sword really... no time to write commercial software to help fund the open source developers because I'm busy helping develop with the open source developers
May 10 23:27:08 <sbromwich> wouldn't it be teh awesome to know the www.boraware.com kernel rev was the best one *evah*? ;-)
May 10 23:27:20 <phil_bw> indeed
May 10 23:27:20 <scoutcamper> hi all
May 10 23:27:33 <sbromwich> groeten
May 10 23:27:37 <phil_bw> btw there will probably a boraware.org by then as well (the open source division)
May 10 23:28:18 <sbromwich> so you're saying you want *two* releases? ;-)
May 10 23:29:05 <scoutcamper> does anyone know how to port an android app to pre(i.e. I got one via the emulator that I want to make for pre)
May 10 23:29:24 <sbromwich> scoutcamper: what language is the source in?
May 10 23:30:20 <scoutcamper> it was packaged as .apx and I renamed to .zip and extracted, so, that language
May 10 23:30:48 <scoutcamper> lol, .apk not apx
May 10 23:31:53 <sbromwich> that's compressed data, not source...
May 10 23:32:41 * rwhitby bbiab
May 10 23:33:36 <scoutcamper> I know, app is free, not open source
May 10 23:41:05 <phil_bw> oh I think hell just froze over...
May 10 23:41:08 <phil_bw> I'm commenting my code
May 10 23:41:21 <phil_bw> like actual useful comments (not just deactivating large blocks of code)
May 10 23:43:19 <sbromwich> *shock*
May 10 23:43:30 <sbromwich> all *my* patches have READMEs
May 10 23:43:33 <sbromwich> *smug*
May 10 23:44:53 <phil_bw> oh the README... I haven't gone that far
May 10 23:49:59 * sbromwich might be considered... advanced
May 10 23:52:37 <halfhalo_T400> Ok, just a little pissed
May 10 23:52:43 <halfhalo_T400> Price of the camera went up
May 10 23:52:49 <phil_bw> and my 1 year old miight be considered... cranky
May 10 23:52:53 * phil_bw goes and feeds the 1 year old
May 10 23:52:54 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: you need more whisky to make you *quite* pissed then
May 10 23:53:02 <halfhalo_T400> true
May 10 23:53:07 <halfhalo_T400> but I don't drink
May 10 23:53:17 <sbromwich> then you shouldn't be pissed
May 10 23:53:22 <sbromwich> unless you are slood
May 10 23:53:31 <halfhalo_T400> I need 647.45 like now
May 10 23:53:32 <sbromwich> and ameliorating sloodness
May 10 23:53:52 <sbromwich> that's a very precise figure
May 10 23:54:02 <sbromwich> me, I could do with about 50 grand
May 10 23:54:12 <sbromwich> beer and dancing girls *would* be mine then
May 10 23:56:13 <halfhalo_T400> Its the price of the camera, sd card, and batteries shipped
May 10 23:56:29 <nt4cats> sbromwich: is "pissed" a multi-meaning word, or does it only mean "had too much alcohol" to you and people like you?
May 10 23:56:38 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: look for a bigger amount, then you can at least spent the rest on booze
May 10 23:56:41 <nt4cats> here is only means "angry"
May 10 23:56:52 <sbromwich> nt4cats: "pissed" means "drunk" to me
May 10 23:56:54 <halfhalo_T400> Don't Drink for two reasons
May 10 23:57:13 <halfhalo_T400> one, underage.  two, I drive WAY to fast
May 10 23:57:32 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: if you drive then you're old enough to drink but not drive imho
May 10 23:57:47 <nt4cats> drinking is the only "move" I have left that works with my wife
May 10 23:58:29 <halfhalo_T400> I just see no reason for me to drink alcohol.  I would much rather drive like a bat out of hell then let someone else drive me
May 10 23:59:03 <Tibfib> halfhalo_T400: +1
May 10 23:59:38 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: I don't have a driver's license
May 10 23:59:54 <yokken> get one
May 10 23:59:56 * halfhalo_T400 should also point out he has a lowered suspension, tweaked engine, and a reckless disregard for speed limits
May 11 00:00:05 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: I *did*, however, just have someone ~20 years my junior compliment me on my ability to drink them under the table
May 11 00:00:41 <nt4cats> I have a cheap car and an affinity for good beer
May 11 00:00:46 <Tibfib> wonderful...my pre will no longer charge
May 11 00:01:07 <nt4cats> hmm ... there is good beer in my fridge ...
May 11 00:01:15 <halfhalo_T400> I have an older car and a 'if you so much as scratch it you lose your hand' mentality
May 11 00:01:23 * nt4cats will be right back
May 11 00:02:17 * sbromwich had a toyota celica st at one point which was 25 years old when owned
May 11 00:02:28 * halfhalo_T400 snapped and is being sarcastic in his code comments again
May 11 00:02:45 <halfhalo_T400> example: ;HERE BE TEMP VAR! RULER OF TEMP KINGDOM!  BOW DOWN YEA PEASANTS
May 11 00:02:45 * sbromwich loved driving a car which was (a) tres fast and (b) cost bugger all on the insurance because it was considered an old POS
May 11 00:02:48 <sbromwich> heh
May 11 00:03:08 <halfhalo_T400> I drive an SUV
May 11 00:03:25 <nt4cats> I dive an POS
May 11 00:03:28 <halfhalo_T400> AKA I drive a car that is perfectly happy going over speedbumps at 80mph
May 11 00:03:30 <nt4cats> s/dive/drive/
May 11 00:03:30 <infobot> nt4cats meant: I drive an POS
May 11 00:04:06 <halfhalo_T400> My car has WINGS!
May 11 00:05:31 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: my current vehicle does takeoffs going over speedbumps at 80km/hr
May 11 00:06:12 <halfhalo_T400> but thats 80km/hr... so only like 5mph here...  :p
May 11 00:07:55 * phil_bw probably drives the slowest car here
May 11 00:08:04 <sbromwich> mpgis not allowed in canadia
May 11 00:08:13 <sbromwich> s/mgis/mph is/
May 11 00:08:24 <sbromwich> well that didn't work.
May 11 00:08:33 <sbromwich> damn those evaporating glasses of alcohol
May 11 00:08:33 <halfhalo_T400> well, thats your fault for living in canadia isn't it
May 11 00:08:58 <sbromwich> halfhalo_T400: my bank isn't going bankrupt, I'm quite happy :-)
May 11 00:09:17 <halfhalo_T400> Hey, hey, hey! I have WF.  I'm good
May 11 00:09:23 <sbromwich> although it would appear there's a chance when I'm out and about in winter my palm pre might think my battery has disappeared
May 11 00:10:13 <halfhalo_T400> whats this winter you speak of?
May 11 00:10:56 * phil_bw can't tease the canadian... 
May 11 00:11:03 * phil_bw grew up farther north than him
May 11 00:11:04 <halfhalo_T400> I can!
May 11 00:12:06 <sbromwich> -~20C + riding at ~60km/hr = -70C wind chill
May 11 00:12:17 <sbromwich> I think at -70C the pre thinks there is now battery
May 11 00:12:23 <sbromwich> chrisa might know for sure though
May 11 00:12:25 <sbromwich> ^now^no
May 11 00:12:59 <halfhalo_T400> Now see, I consider it cold weather when its lower than 75F
May 11 00:13:25 <sbromwich> 75f is summer
May 11 00:13:32 <halfhalo_T400> psh
May 11 00:13:35 <halfhalo_T400> not here
May 11 00:13:41 <sbromwich> well.
May 11 00:13:43 <halfhalo_T400> more like 110F is summer
May 11 00:13:53 <sbromwich> here, summer is anywhere from 0C to 40C
May 11 00:14:34 <sbromwich> I have seen hail and snow in "summer" before now
May 11 00:15:11 <sbromwich> alternatively, you can consider where I used to live in Nigeria, where 43C was winter
May 11 00:15:39 <halfhalo_T400> hah
May 11 00:16:51 <sbromwich> it wasn't a dry heat, either
May 11 00:18:10 <rwhitby> Homebrew Hot Apps: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2444835
May 11 00:20:07 <PullingJ> anyone disassembled a pre? is there supposed to be a spring under the power button?  my power button is stuck in.  if i pull it out, i can press the actual power button inside with a pointy object and it still works.  the actual power button is stuck "in" and doesn't seem to contact the real internal power button
May 11 00:20:50 <sbromwich> PullingJ: rwhitby has a writeup somewhere on precentral forums
May 11 00:21:09 <phil_bw> PullingJ, remove the button, cut a very small piece of a balloon a bit smaller than the power button, put it in the power button hole and reinstall the power button
May 11 00:21:23 <en0x> hmm
May 11 00:21:29 <en0x> rwhitby: i nominate myself hehehehehe
May 11 00:22:21 <rwhitby> PullingJ: I tweeted some links the other day
May 11 00:22:22 <PullingJ> phil_bw: good idea, i don't have a balloon, but i do have a ruberband..  i'll give that a try
May 11 00:22:36 <PullingJ> i'm just wondering if i'm missing a piece now.
May 11 00:22:42 <phil_bw> PullingJ, i tried a rubber band first and it didn't work well, needs to be super thin
May 11 00:22:44 <PullingJ> and if so, i have no idea how
May 11 00:23:19 <phil_bw> PullingJ, a piece of paper like from a business card will do temporarily until you can get a balloon (it doesn't have as much spring, but works)
May 11 00:23:37 <PullingJ> phish3: ok, i'll give it a shot
May 11 00:23:55 <PullingJ> err phil_bw
May 11 00:24:12 <phil_bw> well off to get a pizza
May 11 00:24:14 * phil_bw wanders off
May 11 00:24:24 <PullingJ> so did the inside button loose its springiness, or did i lose a piece somehow?
May 11 00:25:17 <sbromwich> if it's anything like the volume button it's a rocker switch with a contact pad underneath
May 11 00:25:20 * sbromwich *knows*
May 11 00:25:52 <PullingJ> there is a contact pad, but the power button doesn't appear to be a rocker. if it is and it broke off i guess that'd explain my issue
May 11 00:26:24 * nt4cats is back
May 11 00:26:25 <phil_bw> sbromwich, got a good fix for the volume switch? Mine quit working recently
May 11 00:26:26 <sbromwich> rwhitby would know for sure since he has a collection of disassembled pres
May 11 00:26:30 <nt4cats> (with beer and sleeping children)
May 11 00:26:33 <sbromwich> phil_bw: remove it
May 11 00:26:41 <sbromwich> phil_bw: that worked for me
May 11 00:26:41 <nt4cats> (the children are not sleeping with the beer)
May 11 00:26:54 <phil_bw> ah, sounds simple enough, now off to get the pizza
May 11 00:27:03 <sbromwich> phil_bw: also, remove the contact pads, then the only thing that alters the volume is the os
May 11 00:28:35 <PullingJ> i'd like an "app" that can power the phone off
May 11 00:28:51 <PullingJ> if i figure that out then I could care less about the power button
May 11 00:28:52 <halfhalo_T400> They make one.  Its called pull the battery!
May 11 00:28:59 <PullingJ> no, not that off
May 11 00:29:02 <PullingJ> to sleep
May 11 00:29:42 <halfhalo_T400> meh
May 11 00:29:45 <halfhalo_T400> not my dept
May 11 00:42:14 <latta_> umm, how would i grep the webos-internals logs?
May 11 00:42:31 <sbromwich> with... grep?
May 11 00:42:38 <PullingJ> grep log-file text-to-find
May 11 00:42:39 <PullingJ> ?
May 11 00:43:25 <PullingJ> err other way around
May 11 00:43:34 <PullingJ> grep text log-file
May 11 00:44:48 <sbromwich> yeah
May 11 00:44:55 <sbromwich> grep regexp logfile
May 11 00:45:30 <latta_> where are they at again?
May 11 00:46:53 <sbromwich>  /var/log is a good place to start looking depending on what you're after
May 11 00:47:23 <sbromwich> rwhitby can probably give you detailed info
May 11 00:47:34 <latta_> nah i was hoping to grep the logs that are on the internet, i had the bookmark somewhere but lost it
May 11 00:47:48 <sbromwich> the commit logs?
May 11 00:48:00 <rwhitby> latta_: logs.nslu2-linux.org
May 11 00:48:13 <latta_> sweet thanks rwitby
May 11 00:48:34 <sbromwich> see? rwhitby is, as the young folk say, the man.
May 11 00:49:05 <latta_> i keep losing that dang bookmark, lol
May 11 00:49:26 <nt4cats> infobot: irc-logs is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org
May 11 00:49:27 <infobot> ...but irc-logs is already something else...
May 11 00:49:32 <nt4cats> ~irc-logs
May 11 00:49:32 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, irc-logs is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
May 11 00:49:40 <sbromwich> wuh?
May 11 00:50:10 <rwhitby> infobot: no, irc-logs is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org
May 11 00:50:10 <infobot> okay, rwhitby
May 11 00:50:24 <nt4cats> ~botsnack
May 11 00:50:25 <infobot> nt4cats: aw, gee
May 11 00:50:28 <nt4cats> good bot.
May 11 00:50:31 <sbromwich> ~botsnack
May 11 00:50:40 <halfhalo_T400> ~botsmack
May 11 00:50:41 <infobot> OWW!
May 11 00:50:44 <halfhalo_T400> hehehehehe
May 11 00:51:00 * sbromwich is getting crit for giving the bot too many snacks,
May 11 00:51:01 <latta_> but will i be able to grep that web address (pardon the noob) for answers or do I have to wget everything first?
May 11 00:51:22 <rwhitby> you'll need to wget what you want, or use Google with the site: option
May 11 00:51:22 <sbromwich> latta_: what are you trying to do?
May 11 00:51:37 <nt4cats> latta_: open it in your browser and you can search  day at a time with your browser's ^F search
May 11 00:52:31 <latta_> but i would have to search by each day, i would like to search Everything ha
May 11 00:52:56 <latta_> ooh nice google hack, i was thinking curl too
May 11 00:56:33 <latta_> thanks everybody
May 11 00:57:16 <latta_> ...its all in an effort to not bug you guys as much anyways
May 11 00:57:36 <nt4cats> latta_: then use google and say "site:logs.nslu2-linux.org search term"
May 11 00:58:09 <latta_> ya i got it
May 11 00:59:27 <nt4cats> latta_: ... and the files can't be that big, you could just wget them locally
May 11 01:06:44 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: was expecting that link from the latest internals tweet to be a list of the most downloaded homebrew and patches :P
May 11 01:10:16 <sbromwich> rwhitby: out of curiosity is there any way to tell how many times a particular preware item has been downloaded?
May 11 01:10:43 <ka6sox> sbromwich, I have logs.
May 11 01:11:00 <sbromwich> ka6sox: you are teh l33t.
May 11 01:11:11 <ka6sox> heh
May 11 01:11:15 <sbromwich> ka6sox: how many times have my individual kernel been downloaded?
May 11 01:11:23 <sbromwich> s/kernel/kernels/
May 11 01:11:24 <infobot> sbromwich meant: ka6sox: how many times have my individual kernels been downloaded?
May 11 01:11:50 <ka6sox> I would need to run something to figure this out...but I could.
May 11 01:12:22 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 11 01:12:44 <sbromwich> grep -v 1.4.1-2[2-5] access.log
May 11 01:12:49 <sbromwich> at a guess
May 11 01:13:34 <sbromwich> grep -v 1.4.1-2[0-6] access.log
May 11 01:13:42 <sbromwich> looking at the feed page
May 11 01:14:24 <sbromwich> grep -c, sorry
May 11 01:14:35 <nt4cats> I was wondering about the "-v"
May 11 01:14:40 <sbromwich> letters... too.. close... together...
May 11 01:14:57 <nt4cats> you can probably drop the character class at the end and just match 1.4.1-2, no?
May 11 01:15:02 <sbromwich> also, too many keys on the keyboard syndrome
May 11 01:15:29 <sbromwich> there's 1.4.1-[1-9]$
May 11 01:15:59 * nt4cats is comparing the contents of /proc/bus/usb/devices with a pre, pre in USB mode, pre in dev mode
May 11 01:16:41 <sbromwich> jeez it's so good seeing wikipedia saying "alcohol? nooooooooo" with my pills after my doctor telling me to go down the pub for lunch every day
May 11 01:16:54 <sbromwich> let alone a bottle of wine and ~10 shots of whisky
May 11 01:18:39 <sbromwich> however I appear to have halved battery drain according to battery monitor so life can't be all bad.
May 11 01:20:34 <idw2k|wirc> I have come to the conclusion that I will not fix my battery drain until I stop using the phone for hours on end.
May 11 01:21:18 <sbromwich> idw2k|wirc: pull the battery out. Your battery drain will then become a matter of envy.
May 11 01:22:29 <idw2k|wirc> true enough
May 11 01:22:57 <idw2k|wirc> one of my spare batts only lost 3% over a two day period
May 11 01:23:21 <idw2k|wirc> of course, it was never in the phone...
May 11 01:24:59 <sbromwich> there's usually circuity in li-ion batteries which can in themselves drain the battery a tad... 3% over 2 days sounds a bit much for self-discharge though
May 11 01:25:04 <sbromwich> dan's data might give more info
May 11 01:27:21 <sbromwich> bed time... laters :-)
May 11 02:10:46 <s0nic02> I recently got a replacement pre. Is there a way to restore all my patches from my old phone? I saved all the data from my old phone before i sent it back
May 11 02:11:47 <hckyplayer024> did you use the save/restore program?
May 11 02:13:35 <s0nic02> no. I'm i outa luck?
May 11 02:14:29 <hckyplayer024> yeah for patches you needed to use the save/restore program to save preware data
May 11 02:15:29 <hckyplayer024> theres also a backup app that makes a backup of contacts/memos/texts
May 11 02:15:38 <hckyplayer024> and puts it on the USB partition
May 11 02:17:15 <hckyplayer024> what settings is everyone using for uberkernel? I have ondemand 500-800 and my batt life is really bad right now
May 11 02:18:41 <pablob> during "make stage" I get
May 11 02:18:57 <pablob> evas_engine.c:100: error: too few arguments to function 'evas_gl_common_context_resize'
May 11 02:19:18 <bpadalino> what arguments did you make so far ?
May 11 02:19:35 <bpadalino> usually education and taxes are good ones to go with
May 11 02:21:03 <pablob> bpadalino: is that a pun? cannot tell hehe ;)
May 11 02:21:33 <bpadalino> it is a joke, yes - sorry
May 11 02:21:34 <bpadalino> :(
May 11 02:26:02 <PrimerFender> LOL
May 11 02:34:32 <PrimerFender> It's amazing to think it's already tomorrow in other places of the world
May 11 02:34:48 <halfhalo_T400> Yes, but their not important
May 11 02:36:25 <VincentLaw> in aussieland, its 12 hours from now already. 10:36AM.
May 11 02:36:31 <VincentLaw> now being my time lawl
May 11 02:37:41 <bpadalino> in perth, au
May 11 02:37:49 <VincentLaw> yeah, perth
May 11 02:37:53 <VincentLaw> where my friend lives
May 11 02:38:34 <bpadalino> being antipodal in time with your friend sounds like it could be pretty terrible
May 11 02:45:29 <PrimerFender> If right now you talked to your friend in Australia, it would be like talking to someone - *from the future!*
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