**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 11 02:59:56 2010
May 11 03:26:08 <lostnthenet> howdy folks
May 11 03:29:39 <ka6sox> morning
May 11 03:32:46 <PrimerFender> I have some questions about WIDK if anyone has some experience
May 11 03:40:52 <bpadalino> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVcdSzQ3IrI - interesting on Google's take versus how Palm did it
May 11 03:45:07 <PrimerFender> How is that different than Palm?
May 11 03:45:59 <bpadalino> palm is using SDL for their multimedia layer and is, i think, phasing out NPAPI stuff .. (though i could be wrong)
May 11 03:46:22 <PrimerFender> Oh, is NPAPI not Google specific?
May 11 03:46:40 <bpadalino> it's the normal browser plugin interface
May 11 03:46:57 <bpadalino> it's what terminal uses
May 11 03:47:15 <bpadalino> it's interesting that they're so very close to each other .. some minor differences ..
May 11 03:47:38 <bpadalino> so there should be some good sharing/advancements with webkit on that basis
May 11 03:47:59 <PrimerFender> speaking of SDL
May 11 03:48:20 <PrimerFender> I want to compile that Doom game, but when I do it says libsdl1.0.1 not found
May 11 03:48:29 <bpadalino> that stinks
May 11 03:48:36 <PrimerFender> fo shizzle
May 11 03:57:32 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I haven't heard anything about phasing out NPAPI
May 11 03:57:53 <bpadalino> rwhitby: will they make it part of their supported API then ?
May 11 03:58:12 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I doubt it
May 11 03:58:23 <bpadalino> hrm
May 11 03:58:38 <rwhitby> it's far to capable and far-reaching for something they can provide to apps that go in the app catalog
May 11 04:07:40 <halfhalo_T400> pie
May 11 04:09:22 <PrimerFender> eat pie
May 11 04:09:35 <halfhalo_T400> LIES
May 11 04:12:08 <PrimerFender> rwhitby: I have some questions about this WIDK maybe you can help
May 11 04:12:13 <halfhalo_T400> Dammit
May 11 04:12:19 <halfhalo_T400> Who is using my printer
May 11 04:13:32 <NunnJ> can anyone direct me to some info on profiles in the govnah app?
May 11 04:17:43 <lostnthenet> I am using your printer
May 11 04:17:53 <halfhalo_T400> lies
May 11 04:18:03 <lostnthenet> did youi like the pretty picture
May 11 04:26:55 <scoutcamper> hi all
May 11 05:01:20 <PrimerFender> I think the make stage step on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK is broken, maxdepth=1 may be too low since there are no Makefile in the directories one level down (eg. packages/dev-sdl/libsdl/Makefile would be maxdepth=2)?
May 11 05:05:26 * phil_bw wanders by
May 11 05:05:34 <dtzWill> phil_bw: 'ello :)
May 11 05:05:47 <phil_bw> hows it goin Will?
May 11 05:05:54 <dtzWill> o_O i thought the widk migration was finished (re PRimerFender)
May 11 05:06:07 <dtzWill> coincidentally I was just updating to the latest myself.... o_O
May 11 05:06:18 <dtzWill> phil_bw: good good. ALMOST done with the semester so we can get some X stuff going :)
May 11 05:06:28 <PrimerFender> well, I'm new to this, but perhaps you can take a look and make sure I'm not crazy
May 11 05:06:32 <phil_bw> nice
May 11 05:06:38 <dtzWill> phil_bw: you? :)
May 11 05:07:35 <phil_bw> dtzWill: just in bed now... one of these days I'm going to package up f3 (my fvwm config) and get it out.  I've actually done *all* of the work from on board the Pre...
May 11 05:08:24 <phil_bw> seems I keep getting side tracked with my non-paying work that my commercial stuff never moves off the back burner...
May 11 05:09:47 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: unfortunately I'm a bit busy to dive into build debugging, sorry.
May 11 05:09:59 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: if no one else fixes it I'll be happy to when I get a chance :)
May 11 05:10:38 <dtzWill> zomg yet another copy of the cross-compile repo
May 11 05:10:45 <dtzWill> I have entirely way too many of these :):)
May 11 05:10:56 <PrimerFender> no worries :-) thanks for the offer
May 11 05:11:16 <dtzWill> ~seen zsoc
May 11 05:11:18 <infobot> zsoc <~lll@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 8h 19m 10s ago, saying: 'JackieRipper: nice idea'.
May 11 05:11:26 <dtzWill> o_O. zsoc where have you gone?
May 11 05:11:31 <dtzWill> :(
May 11 05:11:52 <phil_bw> dtzWill: you're in the wrong time zone
May 11 05:12:03 <dtzWill> but taht's 2 /days/ :)
May 11 05:12:06 <dtzWill> phil_bw: wrong tz? :(
May 11 05:12:39 <phil_bw> well if zsoc is in the US anyhow...
May 11 05:12:57 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I'm in the US too :)
May 11 05:13:10 <phil_bw> which I guess can't always be assumed
May 11 05:13:12 <phil_bw> ?
May 11 05:13:21 <phil_bw> I thought you werein Germany
May 11 05:13:27 <dtzWill> phil_bw: :D. nopers
May 11 05:13:37 <JackieRipper> heh
May 11 05:13:45 <phil_bw> where'd I get that info
May 11 05:13:59 <dtzWill> i... i don't know. my...last..name..is ..german? lol
May 11 05:14:00 <halfhalo_T400> aliens
May 11 05:14:14 <phil_bw> wtf...
May 11 05:14:43 <halfhalo_T400> LIES
May 11 05:14:45 <phil_bw> were you over there at one point?
May 11 05:14:47 <dtzWill> phil_bw: no worries there's lot of people you probably confused me with someone else or something
May 11 05:14:52 <JackieRipper> anyone know how long patch accepting/rejecting usually takes?
May 11 05:14:54 <dtzWill> phil_bw: never been, unfortunately
May 11 05:15:24 <phil_bw> dtzWill: which state are you in?
May 11 05:15:30 <dtzWill> phil_bw: IL
May 11 05:15:49 <dtzWill> JackieRipper: I don't. got a buddy waiting on the same thing :), so I'm also curious about that
May 11 05:15:53 <halfhalo_T400> Thats not a state!  On second though... I'm not going to finish that sentence
May 11 05:16:38 <phil_bw> dtzWill: well catching you at odd hours *did* make sense when I thought you lived in Germany, now I think you've just got som strange hours
May 11 05:17:03 <JackieRipper> Anyhow... Is anyone up for testing a patch?  http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej1.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej2.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej3.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/src/reject-calls-per-contact.patch
May 11 05:17:03 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I liked Germany better :)
May 11 05:17:42 * phil_bw yawns
May 11 05:17:53 <halfhalo_T400> bah
May 11 05:17:59 <dtzWill> phil_bw: :). where are you from?
May 11 05:18:04 <phil_bw> I swear if my wife wasn't reading I'd be asleep
May 11 05:18:11 <phil_bw> Oregon
May 11 05:18:29 <phil_bw> well live in Oregon (have since 02), *from* Alaska
May 11 05:19:13 <dtzWill> phil_bw: cool. closest I've been is WA :)
May 11 05:19:20 <halfhalo_T400> SoCal FTW
May 11 05:19:45 <phil_bw> dtzWill: closest I've been to IL is WA so we've got that in common
May 11 05:19:53 <dtzWill> phil_bw: LOL :)
May 11 05:21:00 <phil_bw> halfhalo_T400: SoCal's not bad (ive lived in AZ as well)
May 11 05:21:11 <halfhalo_T400> AZ has to many speed cameras
May 11 05:21:31 <phil_bw> AZ has too many moron drivers
May 11 05:21:36 <phil_bw> I don't blame them
May 11 05:21:37 <PrimerFender> lol
May 11 05:21:43 <halfhalo_T400> No, No, thats SoCal
May 11 05:21:59 <phil_bw> almost got ran over by a dodge viper when I lived down there
May 11 05:22:07 <halfhalo_T400> Any hint of rain and HOLYCRAP WERE ALL GONNA DIE
May 11 05:22:15 <phil_bw> and I was on *the sidewalk*
May 11 05:22:20 <PrimerFender> i agree
May 11 05:22:26 <phil_bw> haha
May 11 05:22:38 <ka6sox> halfhalo_T400, I disagree...we have had enough rain this year.
May 11 05:22:41 <phil_bw> well you'd think Oregonians could drive in snow... nope
May 11 05:22:57 <PrimerFender> Are you sure it's not Oreganii?
May 11 05:23:43 <phil_bw> PrimerFender: if it is then the name of our newspaper has been wrong for a very long time
May 11 05:24:13 <PrimerFender> hehehe
May 11 05:25:24 <phil_bw> wife is still reading... my eyes are burning...
May 11 05:25:37 <dtzWill> phil_bw: close them? :/
May 11 05:25:53 <phil_bw> lights still on
May 11 05:27:53 <phil_bw> dtzWill: so what do you think of my idea of releasing a custom debian img with a custom X ipk that works *out of the box* ?
May 11 05:28:32 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I think a number of people will be very grateful, and that that would be super useful. I know I'd like it
May 11 05:29:40 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I'm concerned about how that fits into the future, and so my only ...consideration, is that that seems to be a solution all by itself that would be replaced possibly by w/e (if/when) we come up with our solution based on fuse or we
May 11 05:29:40 <phil_bw> dtzWill: I'm going to let my server do the serving, so until I upgrade (which wil happen when I can afford it) I'll be stuck at about 300 downloads per month.
May 11 05:30:26 <ka6sox> phil_bw, why are you going to serve it yourself?
May 11 05:30:28 <phil_bw> dtzWill: I don't see it being permanent.  more a way to get more people on board quickly
May 11 05:30:30 <dtzWill> phil_bw: okay. might want to bounce it off the team here, we might be willing to host? (I don't work with that part so can't say but we already host quite a bit....and I think rwhitby mentioned previously hosting an image might be reasonable)
May 11 05:30:38 <dtzWill> phil_bw: okay, and to that end it's fantastic
May 11 05:31:19 <phil_bw> ka6sox: I pay for professional hosting but I only get 300 gigs per month transfer at the moment (of course others could distribute as well)
May 11 05:31:38 <dtzWill> phil_bw: mostly my concern was you feeling burned building this thing that we're already drafting a replacement for
May 11 05:32:04 <ka6sox> phil_bw, ouch.
May 11 05:32:21 <phil_bw> at about 1gig a piece I don't want suck down someone elses bandwidth
May 11 05:32:45 <ka6sox> bandwidth R' us.
May 11 05:33:20 <dtzWill> phil_bw: so yeah i think that would be great :)
May 11 05:33:45 <dtzWill> phil_bw: few questions: images are a pain to update. if mounted then diffed.. maybe one could make sense of the system, but probably not.
May 11 05:33:58 <phil_bw> for about $270 / year I could go to an unlimited plan
May 11 05:34:21 <dtzWill> phil_bw: anyway you seem to be very aware it's not a permanent solution, that you just want to get something usable to people, and that all sounds wonderful
May 11 05:34:23 <ka6sox> we have an unlimited plan (and about 6TB of space :D)
May 11 05:34:34 * PrimerFender is pleased with himself: Doom successfully compiled!
May 11 05:34:44 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: good :)
May 11 05:34:54 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: if the WIDK is broken and you have to fix it please let us know
May 11 05:35:01 <halfhalo_T400> unlimited both storage and bandwidth FTW!
May 11 05:35:56 <PrimerFender> OK, how should I do that? wiki:talk ?
May 11 05:36:05 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: sure, or ping us here :)
May 11 05:36:11 <PrimerFender> ping...
May 11 05:36:12 <phil_bw> dtzWill: updates will be handled via a debian repository I have planned, so the img doesn't need to be horribly up to date.  I'd probably even automate the update process for f3 and whatnot upon first run
May 11 05:36:30 <dtzWill> phil_bw: oh you're going to throw it all into a special deb repo?
May 11 05:36:45 <dtzWill> phil_bw: sweet, then we can semi-easily migrate in the future once we have a non-img solution
May 11 05:37:19 <phil_bw> dtzWill: yes that was my plan
May 11 05:37:46 <phil_bw> hopefully by the end of the week I'll have that setup with f3
May 11 05:38:14 <phil_bw> then you just need to add one repository then apt-get fvwm-f3
May 11 05:38:25 <phil_bw> and it'll do the rest
May 11 05:39:04 <phil_bw> then as we setup custom packages for the pre we can just shove them in that repo
May 11 05:39:47 <dtzWill> phil_bw: great. if i'm around/available i'd be happy to help as I can, although it sounds you have it largely worked out
May 11 05:40:22 <dtzWill> phil_bw: we might want to host the debian repo (aren't I mr volunteering services of other people) from the get-go so migration isn't an issue
May 11 05:40:22 <phil_bw> dtzWill: it's all worked out, just need the time to do it really
May 11 05:41:25 <phil_bw> dtzWill: that should be fine once it goes public
May 11 05:42:06 <phil_bw> dtzWill: I'll probably host it all privately to start with to get the kinks worked out.
May 11 05:43:03 <dtzWill> phil_bw: okay, but be friendly, you have people here who want to help :)
May 11 05:43:18 <dtzWill> (and in the near-ish future will be hopefully continuing the work)
May 11 05:43:36 <phil_bw> dtzWill: oh I plan on it, you guys will all be the test subjects
May 11 05:48:29 <phil_bw> anyhow, the img distrobution method should help get people going quickly as well as help fill a void in some areas while better solutions are developed (such as office and vnc/rdp)
May 11 05:51:56 <phil_bw> ok I'm seeing two screens at once now, I'm going to sleep, night all
May 11 05:52:04 * phil_bw wanders off
May 11 05:54:08 <PrimerFender> i'm trying maxdepth=3
May 11 05:54:18 <PrimerFender> so far it's doing something...
May 11 05:58:36 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: oh that's right. you aren't suposed to top-level build anyway I think since we now have entirely way too many packages that it doesn't make sense anymore
May 11 05:59:56 <dtzWill> PrimerFender: so just cd to what you want and type 'make' and that should work?
May 11 06:00:12 <dtzWill> (except SOMEONE didn't port over those "nonworking" x pacakages :))
May 11 06:03:00 <PrimerFender> lol
May 11 06:03:12 <PrimerFender> well..then maybe the wiki just needs to be updated
May 11 06:03:28 <PrimerFender> i had a feeling that's what happend because there is a LOT
May 11 06:05:30 <PrimerFender> apparently the C compiler is worthless "error: C compiler cannot create executables" in libsdl-mixer, that's where it stopped
May 11 06:06:07 <PrimerFender> I doubt I need that one for my apache2+webdav experiment so I will just do as you say and try apache2 again and see if/what it complains about and go from there
May 11 06:06:29 <PrimerFender> thanks for your help!
May 11 06:07:25 * PrimerFender : and with that - nap time!
May 11 06:11:15 <ka6sox> nn
May 11 06:51:42 <swisstomcat> morning
May 11 07:10:33 <rwhitby> dtzWill: volunteering the stuff is the right thing to do - we can easily host the debian repo in a way that phil_bw can update it himself from the start
May 11 07:36:55 <hape> Is there a command to send a file to an Pre that is connected as 'just charge'
May 11 07:37:17 <rwhitby> novacom put
May 11 07:37:23 <hape> The same was as WQIS is doing it. I cannot find any novaterm parameter for this
May 11 07:37:33 <hape> rwhitby: Thanks
May 11 07:44:36 <swisstomcat> are you the one working on navit, hape?
May 11 07:56:32 <hape> swisstomcat: yes together with tordtux
May 11 07:56:49 <hape> a/tordtux/nordtux/
May 11 07:57:04 <hape> swisstomcat: yes together with nordtux
May 11 07:57:09 <swisstomcat> hape: thank you .. great work ... i've tested the alpha version
May 11 07:57:39 <hape> most C changes is done by noradtux, I only do the packaging and support at the moent
May 11 07:58:07 <hape> It is a bigger intrest as I expected, specially from the use
May 11 07:58:55 <hape> The latest packgeg has now 821 download fom the 2ed of Mai until now
May 11 07:59:06 <swisstomcat> very good
May 11 07:59:12 <pauly> hey hows it going im trying to home brew my palm pre i need help
May 11 07:59:23 <swisstomcat> go ahead, pauly
May 11 07:59:28 <pauly> ok
May 11 07:59:53 <pauly> it says the service is not running try rebooting for preware
May 11 07:59:55 <hape> slowly it start that other persons are posting tips and help too, that was what we whanted to focus with the packes
May 11 08:00:26 <rwhitby> pauly: are you running Preware 1.0.0 ?
May 11 08:00:27 <pauly> i have the new palm pre plus
May 11 08:00:34 <pauly> i think so
May 11 08:00:36 <swisstomcat> pauly: how did you install preware and do you know which version it's at?
May 11 08:00:41 <rwhitby> pauly: what version of webOS are you running?
May 11 08:00:50 <pauly> version 1.0
May 11 08:00:59 <swisstomcat> verizon pre plus?
May 11 08:01:10 <pauly> ya
May 11 08:01:17 <pauly> newsest everything
May 11 08:01:20 <pauly> brand new
May 11 08:01:21 <rwhitby> pauly: what webOS version?
May 11 08:01:28 <pauly> let me check
May 11 08:02:05 <pauly> 1.4.1.1
May 11 08:02:34 <pauly> thats what web os quick instal said
May 11 08:03:08 <pauly> any ideas?
May 11 08:03:36 <rwhitby> pauly: what version of webOS Quick Install ?
May 11 08:03:36 <pauly> i used quick install
May 11 08:03:40 <swisstomcat> and you have the latest version of webosquickinstall (3 something)
May 11 08:03:41 <swisstomcat> ?
May 11 08:03:57 <pauly> i think the newest one
May 11 08:04:08 <rwhitby> we need a version number thanks
May 11 08:04:44 <pauly> k
May 11 08:05:11 <pauly> palms running 1.4.1.1
May 11 08:05:44 <pauly> 3.12
May 11 08:05:53 <pauly> sorry it took a sec
May 11 08:06:02 <rwhitby> ok, you've got the right versions of everything. that's a good start :)
May 11 08:06:09 <pauly> kool
May 11 08:06:11 <pauly> :)
May 11 08:06:26 <pauly> do you know about ps1 emulators
May 11 08:06:35 <pauly> for the palm
May 11 08:06:43 <swisstomcat> now if you start preware, it tells you that the service is not running?
May 11 08:06:51 <pauly> ya
May 11 08:07:45 <pauly> http://www.preware.org/#/install/
May 11 08:07:58 <pauly> but i cant figure out what im doing wrong
May 11 08:08:29 <pauly> maybe "Download the most recent PrewareInstaller.jar from get.preware.org. (The exe version may not work.)  2. Run PrewareInstaller (Double click the jar file you just downloaded.)  3. Click Tools then Refresh Novacomd  4. Click INSTALL."
May 11 08:09:47 <pauly> ya i dunno
May 11 08:10:36 <pauly> "the sevice is not running. first try restarting preware, or reboot your phone and try again"
May 11 08:12:56 <pauly> im gunna try to uninstal and reinstal
May 11 08:16:48 <pauly> you still there?
May 11 08:18:17 <swisstomcat> sorry, i was busy
May 11 08:19:17 <pauly> its cool anyideas?
May 11 08:19:53 <pauly> im reinstalling it
May 11 08:19:59 <pauly> see if that works
May 11 08:20:15 <pauly> cuz i wanna home brew my pre and make my own
May 11 08:20:40 <pauly> do you know about ps1 emulators?
May 11 08:20:48 <swisstomcat> yeah, try a reinstall
May 11 08:21:15 <pauly> cuz i wanna home brew my pre and make my own
May 11 08:21:20 <pauly> do you know about ps1 emulators?
May 11 08:23:34 <swisstomcat> there are some emulators available, but i'm not sure about a ps1 one
May 11 08:24:08 <pauly> k i got an error trying to download it
May 11 08:25:08 <pauly> where should i download the program?
May 11 08:25:13 <pauly> from""
May 11 08:26:25 <swisstomcat> download what?
May 11 08:26:39 <pauly> preware
May 11 08:26:57 <pauly> it said it could be found when i tryed to download it check the spelling
May 11 08:27:05 <pauly> not""
May 11 08:27:18 <pauly> sorry long day
May 11 08:28:50 <pauly> i think im figuring it out
May 11 08:28:54 <pauly> il let you know
May 11 08:31:28 <swisstomcat> how are you trying to install preware with webosquickinstall?
May 11 08:31:47 <pauly> ya
May 11 08:32:03 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
May 11 08:32:10 <swisstomcat> scroll down to:  Installing Preware with WebOS Quick  Install
May 11 08:32:25 <pauly> its telling me Select Package Manager Service from the list
May 11 08:33:19 <pauly> i dont see it
May 11 08:33:52 <pauly> k
May 11 08:34:53 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 11 08:35:01 <pauly> hold on
May 11 08:35:02 <swisstomcat> do you have an old or cached version of that page?
May 11 08:35:14 <pauly> i dont think so
May 11 08:35:17 <swisstomcat> because the instructions have changed with preware 1.0
May 11 08:35:53 <pauly> how so
May 11 08:36:01 <swisstomcat> 6. Select Preware from the list.
May 11 08:36:20 <swisstomcat> there is no mention of package manager service anymore because it comes together with preware 1.0
May 11 08:36:23 <swisstomcat> what page are you looking at?
May 11 08:36:41 <pauly> http://www.preware.org/#/install/
May 11 08:37:35 <pauly> im restarting the palm
May 11 08:37:43 <pauly> see if that helps
May 11 08:39:35 <swisstomcat> look at that page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
May 11 08:39:41 <swisstomcat> scroll down to:  Installing Preware with WebOS Quick  Install
May 11 08:42:19 <pauly> hmmmm
May 11 08:43:47 <pauly> il try just starting over
May 11 08:45:15 <pauly> hopefully thisl work
May 11 08:50:41 <pauly> k the first screens diffrent
May 11 08:57:08 <swisstomcat> got it to work?
May 11 08:58:01 <pauly> well i got a newer vrsion but i have to put my phone in usb mode
May 11 08:58:26 <pauly> il let you know the details cuz this ones newer and it could help u out
May 11 08:59:34 <pauly> its version 140.136 i think
May 11 08:59:45 <pauly> could be wrong
May 11 09:00:07 <pauly> il find out in a sec
May 11 09:01:08 <pauly> its got a new screen
May 11 09:01:34 <pauly> it says dont disconnect
May 11 09:01:56 <pauly> and my phone has a chip on the screen now with an aroow pointing down
May 11 09:02:09 <pauly> i think i got it ???
May 11 09:02:26 <pauly> well its 12% so wel see
May 11 09:03:34 <pauly> what about the games i have alread if the get wiped off i bet i could go to verison and get them again i did buy them and i have proof
May 11 09:03:58 <pauly> 27%
May 11 09:05:27 <pauly> ya this one is diffrent for sure maybe because i have a brand new one i need the newest version
May 11 09:05:42 <pauly> 50%
May 11 09:07:57 <swisstomcat> hmmm?
May 11 09:08:08 <swisstomcat> are you resetting your phone? it seems like
May 11 09:08:25 <swisstomcat> are you using the webos doctor?
May 11 09:08:28 <pauly> no i got a new version of the os doctor
May 11 09:08:35 <pauly> ya
May 11 09:08:54 <pauly> 64% and its not moving
May 11 09:09:17 <pauly> i think
May 11 09:10:06 <swisstomcat> ah, you want to reset your phone?
May 11 09:10:11 <pauly> nope
May 11 09:10:22 <pauly> how do you take screen shots?
May 11 09:10:23 <swisstomcat> that's what is happening right now
May 11 09:10:26 <pauly> f somthing
May 11 09:10:48 <pauly> but it seemes to be stuck at 64 %
May 11 09:10:55 <pauly> never mind
May 11 09:11:14 <pauly> just being slow just jumped to 72%
May 11 09:11:27 <pauly> lol
May 11 09:11:28 <swisstomcat> it seems that you are using the webos-doctor to reset your phone to factory
May 11 09:11:36 <swisstomcat> is that what you want?
May 11 09:11:53 <pauly> but theres a computer chip on my screen so i dont know
May 11 09:12:07 <pauly> hmmmm maybe
May 11 09:12:50 <pauly> it didnt ask me that it asked me th language and something els and said beging instaltion
May 11 09:13:09 <swisstomcat> that was the webosdoctor
May 11 09:13:13 <swisstomcat> most likely
May 11 09:13:27 <pauly> i think i reset it but wel see
May 11 09:14:29 <pauly> lol
May 11 09:15:20 <pauly> hmmm phone wont turn on now..... grrrr
May 11 09:16:03 <pauly> never mind
May 11 09:19:16 <pauly> i think i reset my phone..... not a bad thing
May 11 09:23:44 <pauly> yep
May 11 09:23:51 <pauly> no biggie tho
May 11 09:31:12 <pauly> so ya i reset my phone like a dumbass
May 11 09:59:34 <pauly> cool got it after two hours
May 11 09:59:46 <pauly> lol sweet
May 11 10:06:52 <airmack> hoi hoi
May 11 10:07:05 <airmack> i am having trouble getting sshfs working on my pre
May 11 10:07:38 <airmack> i installed the optware packages and tried to sshfs on my pre, but it didn't work
May 11 10:08:10 <airmack> read: Connection reset by peer
May 11 10:08:46 <airmack> if i try it through sftp i get: subsystem request failed on channel 0
May 11 10:26:58 <swisstomcat> pauly: congrats
May 11 10:43:41 <airmack> got it working through installing over ipkg-opt ...
May 11 14:12:53 <nt4cats> uck, uck, uck!
May 11 14:13:03 <nt4cats> (that's the Ubuntu Customization Kit)
May 11 14:16:34 <grndslm> remastersys is better   :)
May 11 14:16:54 <grndslm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1073838
May 11 14:20:41 <Major> Morning
May 11 14:23:26 <swisstomcat> morning
May 11 14:27:11 <Major> I have what I percieve as a small issue. If Dev mode is off my work PC's can not charge my pre. If i turn Dev mode on it begins charging my phone and even asks if I want to just charge or USB mode. Anyone seen this?
May 11 14:28:06 <swisstomcat> that seems strange
May 11 14:28:12 <swisstomcat> have not seen this yet
May 11 14:28:19 <nt4cats> Major: I haven't seen this.  Which OS is on your computer?
May 11 14:28:20 <Major> hmm ok
May 11 14:28:25 <Major> XP
May 11 14:28:32 <Major> nt4cats XP
May 11 14:29:14 <nt4cats> grndslm: I thought about remsatersys, but looking at the docs I was unsure whether or not it would preserve the "scan for new hardware" parts that make LiveCD's work -- it looked more like a tool for copying / cloning an existing desktop
May 11 14:29:53 <nt4cats> grndslm: I don't want to make a LiveCD that only works on Dell laptops with nVidia cards
May 11 14:30:03 <grndslm> nt4cats:  it most certainly does preserve all of that... it's mostly handled by linux itself, and ubiquity, which is installed on your machine before it copies to the /ISOTMP folder
May 11 14:30:28 <grndslm> you can download it and take a look at the script itself, actually
May 11 14:30:30 <grndslm> that's all it is
May 11 14:30:34 <grndslm> a bash script
May 11 14:30:46 <nt4cats> grndslm: after reading the remastersys 'features' page I was unsure, the feature page for UCK was more clear that it did what I want, that's why I'm trying it
May 11 14:30:51 <grndslm> reminds me of the meta-doctor  :)
May 11 14:31:11 <nt4cats> If UCK gives me any more issues I'll drop it and try remastersys
May 11 14:31:17 <grndslm> with remastersys, you can customize everything...  uck was very limited last time i checked
May 11 14:32:32 <cba123> Is asking for help installing Mobile Hotspot via webosQI against the rules here?  Whenever I try to install tetherd_0.0.3 it says it failed and I have to do "ipkg update" I can't find where to do that, any ideas?
May 11 14:32:48 <nt4cats> grndslm: I don't want to change much -- I pretty much want to add a shell script to the disk and set it up to run when the livecduser logs in, that's it.
May 11 14:32:49 <grndslm> nt4cats:  like... i can change my GDM theme... my background... i can add specific config file for any specific apps i want to customize to the /etc/skel/ folder... quite a few other things, really
May 11 14:32:56 <grndslm> you can add wubi if you really want
May 11 14:33:30 <grndslm> i'm gonna have to switch over to debian, tho.
May 11 14:33:31 <nt4cats> grndslm: maybe put a picture of rwhitby as the desktop background ....
May 11 14:33:56 <grndslm> which remastersys works with as well.... i think that 6 months release on my desktop is giving me anxiety attack  :(
May 11 14:34:19 <grndslm> nt4cats:  hmm....
May 11 14:35:21 <grndslm> nt4cats:  but yea, gnome theme... compiz configs... icon themes... cursor themes....
May 11 14:35:36 <grndslm> i like to get my stuff nitty gritty  :)
May 11 14:36:08 <grndslm> nt4cats:  even preseeding makes things easier.... don't think UCK allows you to add your own preseed file  :)
May 11 14:36:46 <nt4cats> grndslm: I might be concerned about that if I knew what "preseeding" was
May 11 14:37:08 <nt4cats> grndslm: I think you are over-estimating my ambitions here
May 11 14:37:21 <nt4cats> grandslm: I'm really trying to do something VERY simple
May 11 14:37:33 <nt4cats> pwd
May 11 14:38:20 <grndslm> nt4cats:  well... the customization files alone are the best... simply installing files is easier for me with remastersys
May 11 14:38:44 <grndslm> but everybody does have their own needs and own setup
May 11 14:39:47 <nt4cats> grndslm: I wrote a script called 'novaterm-bootstrap' which will install/setup novaterm on an Ubuntu or Fedora desktop.  I'm packaging it on a LiveCD so that Windoze users can just boot the LiveCD and get a terminal prompt on their Pre.  That's 100% of my ambition.
May 11 14:40:04 <grndslm> nt4cats:  btw... preseeding is essentially setting up certain system attributes, like time zone, language, keyboard, etc...
May 11 14:40:58 <grndslm> nt4cats:  well.. maybe one day  :)
May 11 14:51:31 <djk1> I just uninstalled all my apps and ran the doctor. I did not have backup implemented. Now all the apps are restoring. Why?
May 11 14:52:34 <swisstomcat> apps are saved in your palm profile (app catalog apps)
May 11 14:54:49 <djk1> so how would I manage those?
May 11 14:54:58 <swisstomcat> good question
May 11 14:55:04 <swisstomcat> palm would need to manager those i assume
May 11 14:55:08 <swisstomcat> manage
May 11 14:55:20 <swisstomcat> unless you create a new profile
May 11 14:56:54 * nt4cats 's first test LiveCD worked (just included the script on the CD).  Next step: skip the "try or install?" screen (assuming this is specifying a default in grub.conf) ...
May 11 14:56:56 <djk1> That seems poor. If I delete the app then shouldn't it be gone from the profile too
May 11 14:57:45 <nt4cats> djk1: did your Pre's backup application run since you deleted it?
May 11 14:58:44 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 11 14:58:50 <djk1> I didn't have backup services on so don't see how it could
May 11 14:59:06 <nt4cats> djk: well, that's why it didn't know you deleted them
May 11 14:59:52 <nt4cats> djk: my conjecture says that your profile 'knows' you installed them (this gets updated when you click 'install'), but your profile can't be updated with what you deleted because that's the backup service's job.
May 11 15:07:21 <grndslm> nt4cats:  i think that "try or install" is livecd or alternate, perhaps??
May 11 15:07:41 <grndslm> no... can't be
May 11 15:07:46 <grndslm> that's a weird ?
May 11 15:07:54 <nt4cats> grndslm: I'm a fedora/RedHat guy, so I'm trying to figure out how Ubuntu does it at the moment
May 11 15:08:20 <nt4cats> grndslm: it is amazing how different they can be :)
May 11 15:08:38 <grndslm> it is pretty funky, but i like it  :)
May 11 15:08:51 <grndslm> think i need to start playing with a BSD
May 11 15:25:31 * nt4cats is hating on Ubuntu more and more (mostly because I'm not nearly as familiar with it as I am Fedora)
May 11 15:48:14 <un_designer> hi all
May 11 15:48:33 <un_designer> quick question about the linux command for checking the speed of the pre
May 11 15:48:50 <un_designer> it used to be in caj2008's thread,but it's been removed
May 11 15:48:59 <un_designer> does anyone know what that command line is? thx
May 11 15:49:15 <en0x> do cat /proc/cpuinfo
May 11 15:49:19 <en0x> or something like that
May 11 15:49:23 <nt4cats> un_designer: I'd expect you can see the CPU speed by cat /proc/cpuinfo
May 11 15:49:43 * nt4cats only runs the stock kernel, but that'd be where I'd look first
May 11 15:49:59 <nt4cats> brb
May 11 15:50:37 <un_designer> ah that's it thx guys
May 11 15:51:02 <un_designer> i wanted to makes ure that the uninstall went through and i'm back at 500 before installing the new uber kernel
May 11 15:51:05 <un_designer> thx agian
May 11 16:09:04 <bazinga_> wondering if anyone here can help...
May 11 16:09:17 <bazinga_> i get an error with preware v1 that the service is not running
May 11 16:09:30 <bazinga_> if i also have preware alpha installed...then preware v1 works
May 11 16:09:37 <en0x> did you try to reboot?
May 11 16:10:11 <bazinga_> lol
May 11 16:10:13 <bazinga_> yes
May 11 16:10:42 <bazinga_> i have tried all 3 methods of installing preware
May 11 16:10:54 <bazinga_> even older versions give same error
May 11 16:15:04 <bazinga_> ugh
May 11 16:26:41 <Robi_> anyone using closure-compiler.appspot.com to speed up JS ?
May 11 16:36:02 <ran_> hi
May 11 16:36:37 <ran_> Does this service work?
May 11 16:37:08 <VincentLaw> wat?
May 11 16:37:44 <ran_> I wanted to ask how to uninstall a theme that won't respond...
May 11 16:38:23 <ran_> It's causing me to not be able to install any more patches, or remove them for that matter.
May 11 16:39:05 <bazinga_> what service
May 11 16:54:28 <PrimerFender> nt4cats: why fedora?
May 11 17:42:50 <swisstomcat> evening
May 11 17:45:28 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: I like your apps ... one tiny/inconsequential piece of feedback, however:
May 11 17:45:49 <swisstomcat> every feedback is appreciated
May 11 17:46:26 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 17:46:30 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: in AnimalMemory the "your score is" cow is not centered on the screen.  She's a bit to the left
May 11 17:46:45 <swisstomcat> really
May 11 17:46:50 <swisstomcat> have to check that
May 11 17:46:53 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: look at her horns compared to the middle row of tiels
May 11 17:46:58 <nt4cats> s/tiels/tiles/
May 11 17:46:58 <infobot> nt4cats meant: swisstomcat: look at her horns compared to the middle row of tiles
May 11 17:47:01 <swisstomcat> or you might have to check your eyes ;)
May 11 17:47:28 * nt4cats is going to screencap it ...
May 11 17:47:45 <nt4cats> actually you can see it at startup, too
May 11 17:48:01 <swisstomcat> let me check
May 11 17:49:23 <nt4cats> http://i41.tinypic.com/r2oil0.png
May 11 17:49:54 <nt4cats> compare her horns to the middle column of tiles
May 11 17:50:02 <oilsworkn> two email dashboards?
May 11 17:50:03 <nt4cats> maybe she's centered and the tiles aren't ...
May 11 17:50:10 <phil_bw> wait... swisstomcat... did you write Moo?
May 11 17:50:25 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: I have it pulling from two accounts
May 11 17:50:26 <swisstomcat> phil_bw: yes, i did .. why?
May 11 17:50:37 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, dude, you're my frickin hero
May 11 17:50:44 <swisstomcat> hehe
May 11 17:50:46 <phil_bw> nothing will shut my 1 year old up faster than Moo
May 11 17:50:48 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: I'd be happy to only have one, but I have two
May 11 17:51:00 <phil_bw> it has saved us at dr appointments, long car rides, etc
May 11 17:51:01 * oilsworkn has 3 accounts on his phone, has never seen them use separate dashs
May 11 17:51:05 <swisstomcat> great to hear that, phil_bw .. my 2 year old likes it too
May 11 17:51:19 <nt4cats> phil_bw: duct tape & beer work, too
May 11 17:51:22 <phil_bw> the phrase "better get out the cow" is common around here
May 11 17:51:33 <swisstomcat> haha
May 11 17:51:37 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 17:51:48 <swisstomcat> does she like the eyes too?
May 11 17:52:01 <phil_bw> he, and yes
May 11 17:52:23 <swisstomcat> some find it creepy, others hilarious
May 11 17:52:27 <swisstomcat> them
May 11 17:52:28 * nt4cats 's kids are a bit old for moo (the boy will be 6 in June, the girl is 9.5), but they'll play with AnimalMemory for sure
May 11 17:52:37 <phil_bw> I couldn't imagine the animals without the eyes
May 11 17:52:59 <swisstomcat> nt4cats: you're right .. the cow is off
May 11 17:53:22 <oilsworkn> so the "apps to shut up kids" market is pretty good?
May 11 17:53:22 <oilsworkn> xD
May 11 17:53:29 * nt4cats is liking "PixelPipe" -- screenshot on the Pre, run pixel pipe uploader, bits fly into the ether, the picture is ready on tinypic.
May 11 17:54:01 <swisstomcat> yup, oilsworkn
May 11 17:54:13 <nt4cats> I wish I had more apps to occupy the boy when we're waiting around and we don't have his DS
May 11 17:54:17 <swisstomcat> business is booming :)
May 11 17:54:29 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, if you added a whole bunch of new animals and charged a few bucks I'd gladly pay it "Moo Deluxe"
May 11 17:54:31 <swisstomcat> phil_bw: let me know if you have ideas how to improve it
May 11 17:54:52 <swisstomcat> yeah, i have to find some more public domain animal pics
May 11 17:55:00 <swisstomcat> and sounds
May 11 17:55:01 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 17:55:09 <phil_bw> that or visit a farm
May 11 17:55:16 <swisstomcat> that'd work
May 11 17:55:33 <swisstomcat> some people mentioned that it needs a cricket
May 11 17:55:49 <nt4cats> I can't see handing my phone to a 2-year old and telling them to shake it.
May 11 17:56:01 <swisstomcat> you can turn off "shake to sound"
May 11 17:56:14 <phil_bw> a cricket would be cool but I have a funny story about the frog
May 11 17:57:18 <phil_bw> some friends and I had a get together for another friends birthday, they were about to sing to him and there was a bit of silence, right at that moment I fired off the frog (to make the kid happy) and it was like the quiet room where nobody cares (just a frog croaking)
May 11 17:58:12 <phil_bw> anyhow, gotta put together a computer for the father in law, once again thanks for building one of the most used apps on my Pre
May 11 17:58:15 * halfhalo is hungy
May 11 17:58:17 * phil_bw wanders off
May 11 17:58:24 <swisstomcat> thank you, phil_bw
May 11 17:58:38 * halfhalo doesn't build computers for family.  Instead, he tells em to get a mac and leave him alone
May 11 17:59:08 * oilsworkn thinks halfhalo is a jerk
May 11 17:59:24 * halfhalo agrees with oilsworkn
May 11 17:59:37 <halfhalo> Hmmm
May 11 17:59:46 <halfhalo> Do I care about All Points Bulletin or not?
May 11 18:00:05 <swisstomcat> animalmemory is almost ready for release now
May 11 18:00:58 <halfhalo> I mean.. it IS an MMO....
May 11 18:01:18 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: I'll poke around the app some more this afternoon and let you know if I see any other 'polish' issues (no not issues related to Poland, the shiny kind of 'polish' -- with a lower-case 'p')
May 11 18:01:23 <halfhalo> But on the other hand… I get to shoot people
May 11 18:01:49 <oilsworkn> shooting people is key to a great game
May 11 18:01:55 <halfhalo> Yup
May 11 18:02:18 * oilsworkn installed faster animations patch yesterday
May 11 18:02:28 <oilsworkn> it makes the phone seem faster
May 11 18:02:29 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 18:02:30 <nt4cats> ~seen PrimerFender
May 11 18:02:33 <infobot> primerfender is currently on #webos-internals (16h 7m 31s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 1h 8m 4s, last said: 'nt4cats: why fedora?'.
May 11 18:02:42 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 18:03:48 <swisstomcat> hehe
May 11 18:04:09 <swisstomcat> i've installed u 10.04
May 11 18:04:37 <swisstomcat> nt4cats: great ... i'll give you a free copy
May 11 18:04:54 <swisstomcat> i think i fixed that cow position
May 11 18:05:58 * oilsworkn starts telling people their apps have problems to get free copies
May 11 18:06:33 <halfhalo> does that work?
May 11 18:06:39 <oilsworkn> it just did!~
May 11 18:08:48 <swisstomcat> would it work to get a free copy of preware?
May 11 18:09:11 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: I'll give you a free copy of preware. sure.  Hold on, let me set that up ...
May 11 18:09:16 * nt4cats runs behind the curtain
May 11 18:09:42 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: okay, for your Pre only, Preware is now available for free.  Thanks for your help!
May 11 18:10:00 <swisstomcat> thanks so much!
May 11 18:10:45 <swisstomcat> wait, for which of my pres?
May 11 18:10:51 <swisstomcat> :D
May 11 18:11:20 <halfhalo> oh god… new cc has one of those rfid thingies in it
May 11 18:12:27 <nt4cats> I used moanmyip.com pretty exclusively to find out the IP address of computers before now -- but thanks to reddit I just discovered ipgoat.com.  It is much better (and safe for work).
May 11 18:14:00 <swisstomcat> OMG
May 11 18:14:04 <swisstomcat> very unsafe for work
May 11 18:14:07 <swisstomcat> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/5.0.375.29 Safari/533.4
May 11 18:14:12 <halfhalo> not my work!
May 11 18:14:29 <nt4cats> ipgoat is safe, moanmyip is not safe
May 11 18:14:40 <nt4cats> (at least it will raise some eyebrows)
May 11 18:14:41 <halfhalo> their both safe for my work
May 11 18:15:21 <swisstomcat> i could add sounds like that to moo
May 11 18:17:50 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: what kind of user-agent string is that?
May 11 18:17:57 <swisstomcat> it's mine
May 11 18:18:08 <swisstomcat> seems a bit crazy
May 11 18:18:29 <swisstomcat> mozilla? webkit? khtml? gecko? chrome? safari?
May 11 18:18:48 <halfhalo> Its missing trident
May 11 18:18:59 <swisstomcat> bah, who cares about trident
May 11 18:19:07 <swisstomcat> it's missing presto tho
May 11 18:19:11 <halfhalo> hippies care
May 11 18:19:35 <swisstomcat> dudes don't care
May 11 18:22:24 <PrimerFender> Opera?
May 11 18:28:50 <oilsworkn> yeah nt4cats, i just got emails on 2 different accounts, only one dashboard icon
May 11 18:31:31 <swisstomcat> primerfender: chrome 5 beta
May 11 18:31:53 <swisstomcat> i'm switching between namoroka and chrome
May 11 18:32:13 <PrimerFender> Oh right, I forgot Google is trying to take over the world :-P
May 11 18:32:57 <swisstomcat> it's a pretty good browser i have to say
May 11 18:33:00 <en0x> chromium is nice
May 11 18:33:18 * oilsworkn uses chrome @ home & work
May 11 18:33:21 <en0x> the alpha build of firefox is blazing fast
May 11 18:33:27 <en0x> 3.7pre5
May 11 18:34:53 <PrimerFender> I have all 5 of the major browsers installed, and I switch depending on my mood lol
May 11 18:35:12 <oilsworkn> i have all of them installed for testing
May 11 18:35:12 <swisstomcat> good idea
May 11 18:35:30 <oilsworkn> but i only use one as my main browser
May 11 18:37:49 <PrimerFender> It seems that apache is not complaining about much, running make now...
May 11 18:41:47 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: are both the inboxes in your 'favorites'?
May 11 18:44:13 <EdLin> just got a Palm Pre leather case from radioshack.com for $14.95, they're selling touchstones for $19.95 btw.
May 11 18:44:24 <EdLin> including the back
May 11 18:44:33 <swisstomcat> yeah, got two of them
May 11 18:45:40 <EdLin> swisstomcat: I thought of getting one, but I already have one I got from precentral and figure that if I need one at work I'll have more than the difference in salary to pay for the difference in touchstone price. ;-)
May 11 18:47:10 <EdLin> swisstomcat: I turn off instant messaging anyway, and don't get long calls on my cell at the workplace, so it lasts me throughout the day there sans touchstone.
May 11 18:47:45 <punzada> Hmm, I've never been a big fan of the touchstone but for $20 that's worth considering
May 11 18:47:55 <EdLin> with instant messaging running in the background, it lasts only 7 hours tho
May 11 18:48:05 <EdLin> punzada: if you don't already have one you should get it.
May 11 18:48:30 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: do you use the "all inboxes" smart folder?
May 11 18:48:41 <punzada> I miss using my 2600 battery, can only use regular ones with my car mount though :(
May 11 18:48:49 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: yes, all the inboxes are "starred"
May 11 18:48:54 <oilsworkn> and i always use the all inboxes folder
May 11 18:49:01 <oilsworkn> i rarely hit them seperately
May 11 18:49:24 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: that might be the difference.  I don't have the "all inboxes" thing turned on.  I react very differently to work e-mails vs personal e-mails.
May 11 18:49:39 <oilsworkn> ah
May 11 18:49:46 <oilsworkn> i also react differently to work vs personal emails
May 11 18:49:51 <oilsworkn> which is why i dont have work email on my phone
May 11 18:49:53 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: e.g. I ignore work emails for days, but check personal e-mails every 17 seconds because I might have gotten an e-mail from zsoc
May 11 18:49:54 <oilsworkn> when im gone... im gone
May 11 18:50:05 <punzada> lol
May 11 18:50:24 * oilsworkn would rather work not be able to reach him when hes not there
May 11 18:50:37 <oilsworkn> but that doesn't stop be from being called when something breaks down at 4am
May 11 18:51:07 <punzada> oil, IT?
May 11 18:51:15 * nt4cats has a VERY flexible employer, work the hours of my choosing, work from home at will, but this is enabled by having easy access to work resources
May 11 18:51:16 <halfhalo> just answer 'US Attorneys office'
May 11 18:51:17 <oilsworkn> yeah
May 11 18:51:23 <punzada> yup, that's IT ;x
May 11 18:51:23 <oilsworkn> for a fruit company
May 11 18:51:53 * nt4cats 's inappropriate sense of humor just needed to be supressed
May 11 18:52:06 <nt4cats> (missed a 'p' there, sorry)
May 11 18:53:19 <Rg55> hello
May 11 18:53:27 <oilsworkn> hello
May 11 18:53:28 <nt4cats> hello Rg55
May 11 18:53:39 <nt4cats> hola maruku
May 11 18:54:14 <maruku> hola
May 11 18:54:19 <Rg55> ineed help installing preware with quickinstall
May 11 18:54:28 <nt4cats> hamburguesa con queso?
May 11 18:54:36 <Rg55> can some one help me?
May 11 18:54:42 <nt4cats> (okay, that was all of my Spanish right there)
May 11 18:54:51 <maruku> lol
May 11 18:54:57 <oilsworkn> Rg55: have you tried following hte directions?
May 11 18:55:04 <Rg55> yea
May 11 18:55:22 <maruku> how do you know that I speak spanish?
May 11 18:55:33 <nt4cats> maruku (~maruku@18.65.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #webos-internals
May 11 18:55:34 <Rg55> can u give me a step by step
May 11 18:55:45 <oilsworkn> "jazztel.es"
May 11 18:55:45 <maruku> lol
May 11 18:55:46 <nt4cats> I think that ".es" is Spain
May 11 18:56:00 <maruku> yeah! u're right!
May 11 18:56:05 <maruku> hahaha
May 11 18:56:16 <maruku> I didnt know that all my ip was showed there
May 11 18:56:16 <oilsworkn> Rg55: i would attempt to help you if I wasn't on my way out the door for lunch
May 11 18:56:23 <maruku> I just can see your names
May 11 18:56:26 <oilsworkn> maybe nt4cats has time :)
May 11 18:57:20 <nt4cats> Of course you could prefer Catalan (and maybe there are other significant languages in Spain that I don't know about), but I thought the chances were good that Spanish would work.
May 11 18:57:48 <nt4cats> Rg55: it looks like I've been volunteered.  I am not a quickinstall expert, but I'd be glad to try.
May 11 18:57:56 <maruku> Catalan had been awesome
May 11 18:58:04 <nt4cats> Rg55: how far did you get before you had problems?
May 11 18:58:05 <Rg55> thankyou
May 11 18:58:12 <maruku> you would catch me
May 11 18:59:00 <nt4cats> maruku: google translate says it is "hamburguesa amb formatge" in Catalan
May 11 18:59:08 <Rg55> well ive downloaded the webos quickinstall then webos doctor then did the intructions but it doesnt show up
May 11 18:59:26 <maruku> yep that'c correct
May 11 18:59:26 <nt4cats> Rg55: can you give me the URL for the page of instructions that you're following?
May 11 18:59:32 <swisstomcat> which instructions are you following?
May 11 19:00:24 <Rg55> http://www.preware.org/#/install/
May 11 19:00:58 <swisstomcat> and where are you stuck?
May 11 19:01:19 <Rg55> i dont find preware no where
May 11 19:01:48 <en0x> install.preware.org
May 11 19:01:50 <en0x> there it is
May 11 19:02:22 <swisstomcat> 4. Choose WebOS Internals Feed (Pre) or WebOS  Internals Feed (Pixi) from the dropdown list at the top.
May 11 19:02:24 <swisstomcat> that worked?
May 11 19:02:42 <Rg55> didthat then i clicked install
May 11 19:02:50 <Rg55> but nothing happen after that
May 11 19:03:12 <swisstomcat> you see preware in the list and you've selected it?
May 11 19:03:21 <nt4cats> Rg55: you have to select the WebOS Internals feed, then select Preware below that and THEN click install
May 11 19:03:21 <Rg55> yea
May 11 19:03:59 <halfhalo> hmmm
May 11 19:04:06 <halfhalo> Nother email from Konami..
May 11 19:04:09 <halfhalo> Am I caring?
May 11 19:04:18 <Rg55> ok i clicked install
May 11 19:05:05 <nt4cats> halfhalo: an e-mail that says up up down down left right left right .... ?
May 11 19:05:11 <halfhalo> No
May 11 19:05:27 <halfhalo> an email asking if I wanted to go to a pre e3 press thingie on the 20th
May 11 19:05:46 <swisstomcat> the pre e3?
May 11 19:05:50 <swisstomcat> new device?
May 11 19:05:55 <nt4cats> halfhalo: they always have free food and often free drinks at things like that, so say 'yes'
May 11 19:06:03 <halfhalo> I wish new device
May 11 19:06:09 <halfhalo> its a preview event for E3
May 11 19:10:08 <Rg55> am i supposed to do something i install it
May 11 19:11:57 <nt4cats> Rg55: so now that you've selected the feed and then selected Preware and THEN pressed install, do you see Preware on your phone (it will be on the left-most page of your launcher)
May 11 19:12:20 <nt4cats> s/on the/on the bottom of the/
May 11 19:12:20 <infobot> nt4cats meant: Rg55: so now that you've selected the feed and then selected Preware and THEN pressed install, do you see Preware on your phone (it will be on the bottom of the left-most page of your launcher)
May 11 19:12:23 <Rg55> i dont see it anywhere on my phone
May 11 19:14:00 <bazinga_> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/245860-cant-find-package-manager-service.html
May 11 19:14:03 <HattCzech_work> i had to restart my phone after installing preware
May 11 19:14:07 <bazinga_> last post....any suggestions?
May 11 19:14:09 <HattCzech_work> but that might have been for older versions
May 11 19:14:33 <nt4cats> bazinga_: there is no longer a package manager service associated with Preware as of version 1.0
May 11 19:14:54 <bazinga_> read the post before you respond please
May 11 19:15:05 <halfhalo> Ok, wtf is 3.5D?
May 11 19:15:51 <swisstomcat> bazinga: i'd remove preware alpha and preware 1.0, reboot, and then install preware 1.0 again
May 11 19:16:02 <nt4cats> bazinga_: it sounds like there is a bug in the removal of the alpha that is killing your c-service
May 11 19:16:32 <nt4cats> bazinga_: rwhitby may want to update the alpha to make the scenario you're dealing with work
May 11 19:16:35 <HattCzech_work> anyone good with the UI elements in webos?
May 11 19:16:56 <bazinga_> i c
May 11 19:17:06 <bazinga_> can i copy and paste your response into the post?
May 11 19:17:13 <bazinga_> no idea what it means...
May 11 19:17:21 <bazinga_> but maybe rwhitby will
May 11 19:17:36 <nt4cats> bazinga_: rwhitby will read that comment here -- probably very soon.
May 11 19:17:42 <bazinga_> ok
May 11 19:18:39 <nt4cats> bazinga_: you can use the forums if you'd like, but he signed on here a bit ago
May 11 19:18:41 <Rg55> y isnt it showin up
May 11 19:19:32 <nt4cats> Rg55: can you try rebooting your pre?  Maybe it is there and Luna just needs to rescan
May 11 19:19:50 <Rg55> i did restart still not thee
May 11 19:20:10 <swisstomcat> hattczech_work: what do you need?
May 11 19:20:13 <nt4cats> Rg55: I don't know much about quickinstall, sorry.  I haven't used it in MANY months.
May 11 19:20:38 <nt4cats> Rg55: Can you see/find any logs generated by quickinstall that may help us see what's going on?
May 11 19:21:08 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to make a list within a list
May 11 19:21:20 <Rg55> what is that
May 11 19:21:49 <nt4cats> Rg55: which "that" are you referring to?
May 11 19:21:55 <HattCzech_work> i can create a list with no problem... but trying to do the 2nd one might be a bit tricky
May 11 19:22:02 <Rg55> what u just asked me for
May 11 19:22:15 <HattCzech_work> i'm going to try a for loop to setup the widgets and see if that works
May 11 19:22:44 <nt4cats> logs -- many installer applications produce a "log" file with text content that documents what happens during an install attempt.
May 11 19:23:16 <nt4cats> Rg55: Let me see if I can download quickinstall here so I can follow along with you
May 11 19:23:24 <Rg55>  thank you
May 11 19:24:26 <nt4cats> Rg55: what version of webos quick install are you running?
May 11 19:24:44 <Rg55> 3.12
May 11 19:33:08 <nt4cats> I seem not to have a webosdoctor handy (which is strange), so I'm downloading it again ... I haven't forgotten you Rg55
May 11 19:33:22 <Rg55> ok
May 11 19:33:27 <Rg55> thank you again
May 11 19:34:36 <Rg55> brb
May 11 19:36:14 <nt4cats> I seem not to have a webosdoctor handy (which is strange), so I'm downloading it again ... I haven't forgotten you Rg55
May 11 19:37:14 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 11 19:37:14 <nt4cats> ... putting my phone in developer mode ...
May 11 19:37:30 <swisstomcat> i can reproduce the "background services disappearing" with preware 1.0
May 11 19:38:24 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: if you convince rwhitby of that fact you'll win another free copy of Preware
May 11 19:38:57 <swisstomcat> i don't have to convince rwhitby
May 11 19:39:16 <swisstomcat> rather puffthemagic
May 11 19:39:38 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: Hmmm good to know
May 11 19:39:44 <en0x> it's something related to luna rescan
May 11 19:39:47 <swisstomcat> for me it seems that the phone is killing processes that it should not under memory pressure
May 11 19:40:09 <swisstomcat> but that's just an assumption
May 11 19:40:28 <en0x> and it's been proven
May 11 19:40:43 <swisstomcat> en0x: luna rescan after you install an app?
May 11 19:40:57 <swisstomcat> it's been proven?
May 11 19:41:02 <en0x> yes
May 11 19:41:04 <en0x> ask rwhitby
May 11 19:41:17 <swisstomcat> i've showed it to palm folks and they have logs
May 11 19:41:21 <Rg55> k
May 11 19:41:41 <en0x> swisstomcat: but only if u install thru preware
May 11 19:41:47 <swisstomcat> yes
May 11 19:41:49 <en0x> when u install from app catalog this never happens
May 11 19:42:07 <swisstomcat> only homebrew or also app catalog apps through preware?
May 11 19:42:16 <en0x> only hombrew
May 11 19:42:23 <en0x> apps/patches/etc
May 11 19:42:38 <swisstomcat> that's what i see ... but i thought it was because of memory pressure
May 11 19:44:04 <en0x> nope
May 11 19:44:19 <swisstomcat> interesting
May 11 19:44:25 <swisstomcat> does palm know about it?
May 11 19:44:39 <swisstomcat> a luna rescan kills background processes?
May 11 19:44:48 <swisstomcat> if called from preware
May 11 19:48:02 <en0x> swisstomcat: idk ask rwhitby
May 11 19:48:06 <en0x> i'm not webos-internals
May 11 19:48:10 <swisstomcat> will do
May 11 19:49:07 <nt4cats> ~webos-internals
May 11 19:49:29 <nt4cats> infobot: webos-internals is rwhitby et. al.
May 11 19:49:29 <infobot> nt4cats: okay
May 11 19:50:09 * nt4cats thinks "et. al." is latin for "and all those other people"
May 11 19:51:19 <nt4cats> infobot: forget webos-internals
May 11 19:51:19 <infobot> i forgot webos-internals, nt4cats
May 11 20:01:05 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat: what do u have to convince me about?
May 11 20:01:33 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: "<swisstomcat> i can reproduce the "background services disappearing" with preware 1.0"
May 11 20:02:04 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat: is the old java service completly gone
May 11 20:02:10 <PuffTheMagic> did u reboot after removing it?
May 11 20:02:14 <PuffTheMagic> still have patches?
May 11 20:02:23 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: I told him if he could convince Rod he'd win a free copy of Preware, he said he didn't need to convice Rod but convince you.
May 11 20:02:35 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: ... and you'll have to give him a free copy of Preware
May 11 20:04:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 11 20:04:58 <PrimerFender|lun> If a file wants to be in /usr/local, is there a special section in WIDK cross-compile environemnt for that or should I just use the host system's /usr/local ?
May 11 20:05:00 <swisstomcat> puffthemagic: it's using the c-service (i see the byte-counts)
May 11 20:05:18 <PuffTheMagic> ummm
May 11 20:05:34 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat: did u remove the old service and reboot?
May 11 20:05:42 <swisstomcat> i rebooted
May 11 20:05:53 <PuffTheMagic> but u didnt remove the old service?
May 11 20:06:02 <swisstomcat> didn't remove the old service .. thought that was removed by the install of the new one?
May 11 20:06:11 <PuffTheMagic> nope
May 11 20:06:13 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think so
May 11 20:06:31 <PuffTheMagic> the old service is still running most likely
May 11 20:06:37 <swisstomcat> how can i check?
May 11 20:07:12 <dtzWill> ~seen zsoc
May 11 20:07:17 <PuffTheMagic> u can check ipkg and see if its instaled
May 11 20:07:19 <infobot> zsoc <~lll@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 23h 15m 10s ago, saying: 'JackieRipper: nice idea'.
May 11 20:07:21 <PuffTheMagic> or just remove it
May 11 20:07:48 <nt4cats> swissy: maybe you can also do ps -ef | grep java and look for the jar in the command-line arguments (I think)
May 11 20:08:01 <swisstomcat> let me check
May 11 20:08:40 <swisstomcat> have you seen the comments by en0x?
May 11 20:09:02 <swisstomcat> (09:39:44 PM) en0x: it's something related to luna rescan
May 11 20:09:11 <swisstomcat> (09:40:28 PM) en0x: and it's been proven
May 11 20:10:35 <swisstomcat> ps -ef | grep java gives me a bunch of stuff
May 11 20:10:35 <PuffTheMagic> the rescan shouldnt do that
May 11 20:10:39 <PuffTheMagic> the java restart maybe
May 11 20:10:44 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat: just remove the old ipkg
May 11 20:10:51 <PuffTheMagic> and reboot
May 11 20:11:12 <PuffTheMagic> it should be in the installed list in preware i would imagine
May 11 20:11:17 <PuffTheMagic> unless services are hidden
May 11 20:11:22 <swisstomcat> ipkg remove ?
May 11 20:12:10 <PuffTheMagic> if u dont know ipkg use preware
May 11 20:13:21 <swisstomcat> i'm eager to learn
May 11 20:13:28 <swisstomcat> going through ipkg -list
May 11 20:13:37 <PuffTheMagic> no no
May 11 20:13:55 <PuffTheMagic> u need to pass it env vars so that it shows the homebrew
May 11 20:14:07 <swisstomcat> oh
May 11 20:14:16 <nt4cats> (off the top of my head) ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps/ list_installed
May 11 20:14:36 <nt4cats> (actual path may vary from what I typed here)
May 11 20:14:37 <PuffTheMagic> something like that
May 11 20:14:56 <nt4cats> that'st it
May 11 20:15:00 <swisstomcat> yup
May 11 20:15:02 <nt4cats> yay -- I was right
May 11 20:15:06 <swisstomcat> yay
May 11 20:15:23 <swisstomcat> org.webosinternals.preware - 1.0.0 - Preware
May 11 20:15:59 <swisstomcat> not much to see
May 11 20:16:00 <nt4cats> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps/ list_installed | grep webosint
May 11 20:16:07 <nt4cats> that'll give you just the webosinternals stuff
May 11 20:16:18 <swisstomcat> org.webosinternals.govnah - 0.3.0 - Govnah
May 11 20:16:18 <swisstomcat> org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre - 1.4.1-21 - UberKernel (Pre/Pre+)
May 11 20:16:18 <swisstomcat> org.webosinternals.preware - 1.0.0 - Preware
May 11 20:16:20 <swisstomcat> that's it
May 11 20:17:00 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: just for fun can you pastebin the output of "ps -ef | grep java" ?
May 11 20:17:12 <swisstomcat> k
May 11 20:17:22 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: that'll prove it empirically
May 11 20:17:36 * nt4cats is a vicious empiricist
May 11 20:17:53 <swisstomcat> http://pastebin.com/Pq2du8is
May 11 20:18:02 <nt4cats> (although I agree with PuffTheMagic that if the package isn't installed the service should be gone)
May 11 20:18:21 <swisstomcat> i thought that's what rwhitby said too
May 11 20:18:52 <en0x> well even if you install apps thru webos quick install
May 11 20:18:56 <en0x> and it does rescan
May 11 20:19:01 <en0x> it kills background apps too
May 11 20:19:08 <en0x> so it's not only preware
May 11 20:19:15 <swisstomcat> interesting
May 11 20:19:23 <swisstomcat> who else knows of this?
May 11 20:19:26 <en0x> go and check ;]
May 11 20:19:46 <en0x> ruby :P
May 11 20:19:48 * nt4cats has to go catch a train, be back online in ~20 minutes
May 11 20:20:09 <en0x> i'm on hold with western union heh for 20mins already
May 11 20:20:12 <en0x> and I want to go home
May 11 20:20:14 <en0x> fuck...
May 11 20:27:25 <PrimerFender|lun> hello zsoc
May 11 20:27:54 <zsoc_wirc> PrimerFender|lun: hey
May 11 20:41:07 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
May 11 20:43:38 <nt4cats> ~seen swisstomcat
May 11 20:43:40 <infobot> swisstomcat <~tomcat@gw.ptr-80-238-235-142.customer.ch.netstream.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2m 32s ago, saying: 'g'night everyone'.
May 11 20:43:53 <nt4cats> I missed him by less than 3 minutes :(
May 11 20:45:08 <zsoc_wirc> :/
May 11 20:45:38 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: nice to see you
May 11 20:45:46 <halfhalo> lies
May 11 20:45:59 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: hey, sorry. I'm on vacation
May 11 20:46:15 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: no need to apologize for being on vaca ... enjoy!
May 11 20:46:16 * halfhalo is almost on vacation… 24 hours to go...
May 11 20:46:28 <oilsworkn> zsoc on vacation? WTF
May 11 20:47:36 <oilsworkn> tell him if he sees egaudet, to send him back to webos-internals :)
May 11 20:48:47 <nt4cats> I haven't seen egaudet since 1997, I think.
May 11 20:55:55 <i_maq> Hey all
May 11 20:57:47 <nt4cats> 'lo i_maq
May 11 20:58:10 <i_maq> Hey! Found my way here from the help menu on Preware
May 11 20:58:21 <oilsworkn> magics!
May 11 20:58:42 <nt4cats> i_maq: welcome
May 11 20:59:11 <i_maq> Thanks :) Second day with my Pixi+, got round to installing quick install and preware, kinda baffled
May 11 20:59:23 <oilsworkn> oh its crazy
May 11 20:59:28 <nt4cats> how can we de-baffle you?
May 11 20:59:56 <oilsworkn> infobot: nt4cats is the de-baffler
May 11 20:59:56 <infobot> okay, oilsworkn
May 11 20:59:59 <oilsworkn> :)
May 11 21:00:19 <i_maq> Welllll, I've got qi installed all fine and working, got preware v1 over to my pixi but it's giving me the service not running error :-/ and I can't for the life of me find a solution on the web!
May 11 21:00:24 <nt4cats> infobot: oilsworkn is the baffler
May 11 21:00:25 <infobot> nt4cats: okay
May 11 21:00:31 <oilsworkn> ~oil
May 11 21:00:32 <infobot> well, oil is a viscous flammable substance that PuffTheMagic uses to heat his home.
May 11 21:00:40 <oilsworkn> oh, oilsworkn
May 11 21:00:40 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 21:00:46 <oilsworkn> im ok with that :)
May 11 21:01:05 <PuffTheMagic> its true tough
May 11 21:01:05 <oilsworkn> i_maq: which one did you install?
May 11 21:01:07 <i_maq> Apparently v1 contains the PMS so I'm not sure what to do about installing it separately... suggestion?
May 11 21:01:24 <i_maq> Preware? I installed it from the webOS internals Pixi feed
May 11 21:01:31 <oilsworkn> i_maq: when you installed it from qi, you installed from the armv6/pixi feed?
May 11 21:01:37 <oilsworkn> one step ahead of me!
May 11 21:01:38 <i_maq> Yup
May 11 21:01:38 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 21:01:50 <oilsworkn> ive personally never installed it on a pixi
May 11 21:02:14 * ka6sox-work waits for his pixi to arrive.
May 11 21:02:16 <oilsworkn> and just to be sure: you've never previously installed preware/ipkgservice on your pixi?
May 11 21:02:17 <nt4cats> i_maq: let me see if the feed looks sane (I don't have a pixi myself so I can't repeat your steps)
May 11 21:02:40 <i_maq> Nope, brand new device, just turned it on yesteday, used quick install first time today, first WebOS device
May 11 21:03:02 <i_maq> loving the size and kb btw ^_^
May 11 21:03:24 <i_maq> switched from a motorola milestone :-/
May 11 21:03:28 <oilsworkn> did quick install ask you to "run a script" when you want to install it?
May 11 21:03:31 <nt4cats> i_maq: and be careful -- because other than being one of the principle [UI] developers this "oil" guy doesn't know much about Preware.  There are lots of folks here who also don't know much, too.
May 11 21:03:34 <oilsworkn> (and if it did, did you click yes?)
May 11 21:03:54 <i_maq> no, didn't ask me to run any scripts
May 11 21:04:03 <oilsworkn> just because i suck at troubleshooting preware problems, doesn't mean i can't ask simply questions :)
May 11 21:04:16 <oilsworkn> it shouldn't matter, but have you given it a reboot after installing?
May 11 21:04:30 <halfhalo> must… not… say… anything....
May 11 21:04:35 <i_maq> I :) I clicked the down arrow on qi, chose webos internals pixi feed, clicked Preware, download, install
May 11 21:04:37 <i_maq> then gave it a restart
May 11 21:04:55 <i_maq> uninstalled preware and gave it another go, more restarts, no joy
May 11 21:04:59 <oilsworkn> and now we're at the extent of what to ask, haha
May 11 21:05:14 <oilsworkn> really, it should just work
May 11 21:05:23 <i_maq> haha i've jailbroken iphone os, rooted android and now I'm stumped by webos!
May 11 21:05:24 * oilsworkn hads it off to the de-baffler
May 11 21:05:34 <oilsworkn> s/hads/hands/
May 11 21:05:47 <i_maq> admittedly it's only my 2nd day with WebOS but really :p
May 11 21:06:01 <oilsworkn> well it sucks it didn't just work for ya :/
May 11 21:06:02 <i_maq> Wanna get my patches going
May 11 21:06:33 <i_maq> and don't wanna get rid of my pixi and go back to android just over something like this! must get preware working
May 11 21:06:35 <nt4cats> i_maq: Do you have novaterm setup on your laptop/desktop?  It'd be interesting to peek at what is going on inside your Pixi
May 11 21:06:41 <nt4cats> note: I'm on a train and am heading into a spotty EVDO coverage area ... so if I don't respond quickly it is nothing personal
May 11 21:06:44 <i_maq> novaterm?
May 11 21:07:40 <i_maq> I am unfamiliar with Novaterm :-/
May 11 21:08:01 <oilsworkn> you're supposed to be de-baffling!
May 11 21:08:03 <nt4cats> i_maq: I'm with oil, this really should just work.  I'm wondering if there is a bug involved with a fresh install of the newly-released v1.0 of Preware.
May 11 21:08:23 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: i just did a fresh install on my replacement pre with 1.0 yesterday
May 11 21:08:38 * oilsworkn was thinking more of a armv6 specific problem maybe?
May 11 21:08:47 <i_maq> it would seem so, Preware wants me to install PMS but it's my understanding from the changelog that v1 takes care of that now
May 11 21:08:51 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: I'm sure it has been done before.  I agree maybe it is armv6.
May 11 21:09:00 <oilsworkn> v1 does have it included
May 11 21:09:11 <oilsworkn> since we're out of ideas
May 11 21:09:13 <nt4cats> i_maq: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
May 11 21:09:16 <i_maq> so why's it telling me it's missing :-/
May 11 21:09:23 <oilsworkn> you could always try installing the old preware and ipkgservice
May 11 21:09:28 <oilsworkn> then upgrade to v1
May 11 21:09:45 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: that's not a bad idea, not sure if that is easy or hard with quickinstall
May 11 21:10:03 <oilsworkn> with quick install you could just download the old ipks, and stage them for install, no?
May 11 21:10:32 <oilsworkn> old preware:
May 11 21:10:33 <oilsworkn> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.38_all.ipk
May 11 21:10:43 <oilsworkn> old ipkgservice:
May 11 21:10:43 <oilsworkn> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.46_all.ipk
May 11 21:10:51 <oilsworkn> remove preware 1.0
May 11 21:10:55 <oilsworkn> download+install both of those
May 11 21:11:09 <oilsworkn> see if it starts and lets you upgrade to 1.0 (which would remove old ipkgservice)
May 11 21:12:11 <nt4cats> i_maq: if you were running ubuntu or fedora Linux I could give you a script that would install novacom/novaterm for you ....
May 11 21:12:12 <i_maq> Ok i'm in Novaterm with the root message. Let me install preware and ipkg versions first
May 11 21:12:47 <nt4cats> i_maq: if you're in novaterm you can just use the command-line instead of using quickinstall
May 11 21:12:54 * oilsworkn wonders if anyone else with a pixi is runnin preware1
May 11 21:13:05 * nt4cats assumes that preware-bootstrap is pixi-aware
May 11 21:13:10 <i_maq> Oh ok, what's the command? I know no cmd commands :-s
May 11 21:13:43 <nt4cats> i_maq: let's go with oil's idea of installing the old preware first
May 11 21:13:57 <nt4cats> do (no quotes) "mount -o remount,rw /"
May 11 21:14:04 <oilsworkn> oh jeez
May 11 21:14:04 <nt4cats> "cd /media/internal"
May 11 21:14:06 <i_maq> I agree, I'm just uninstalling v1
May 11 21:14:15 <oilsworkn> shouldn't need command line to get preware installed xD
May 11 21:14:29 <nt4cats> oil: shouldn't need, agree.  the "easy" way isn't working for him
May 11 21:14:44 <i_maq> Pixi's restarting itself now that v1's uninstalled.... wait 2 minutes for rebboot
May 11 21:14:47 <i_maq> *reboot
May 11 21:14:49 <nt4cats> "wget http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.38_all.ipk"
May 11 21:14:57 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap :)
May 11 21:15:13 <i_maq> I timed the startup yesterday, 2.15 for the first startup after setting it up!
May 11 21:15:15 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: won't the bootstrap install v1?
May 11 21:15:29 <oilsworkn> isn't that the desired end outcome?
May 11 21:15:48 <nt4cats> I need to get off this train -- I'll be afk for 4-5 minutes
May 11 21:16:00 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: sure, help him try the bootstrap while I get off this train, thanks.
May 11 21:16:08 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 21:16:56 <i_maq> Ok, installing previous versions, then will restart and see if it works, fingers crossed
May 11 21:17:23 <oilsworkn> yeah, old ipkgservice is java, itl need to restart java at minimum
May 11 21:18:32 <nt4cats> i_maq: whose instructions are you following?  The commandline ones I started are incomplete
May 11 21:18:53 <oilsworkn> hes doing the packages with qi
May 11 21:18:57 <nt4cats> k
May 11 21:19:16 <i_maq> Well I've installed both and waiting for restart to finish, but yes, qi, cmds scare me
May 11 21:19:32 <nt4cats> i am walking on train platform typing on laptop, looking like an idiot
May 11 21:19:49 <i_maq> I've downloaded the SDK and PDK and everything, intention to write an app for WebOS but no idea where to start! never coded a thing in my life
May 11 21:19:58 * oilsworkn has seen guy using laptop in airport bathroom standing at urinal before
May 11 21:20:06 <i_maq> @nt4cats: not idiotic, damn cool :p
May 11 21:20:10 <oilsworkn> walking down platform using it is nothing compared to that
May 11 21:20:17 * nt4cats is not peeing
May 11 21:20:30 <oilsworkn> see
May 11 21:20:47 <i_maq> Nope, same problem guys
May 11 21:20:56 <oilsworkn> old preware doesn't work?
May 11 21:20:58 * oilsworkn is shocked
May 11 21:21:01 <i_maq> nope
May 11 21:21:12 <i_maq> v0.9.38 has failed meh
May 11 21:21:15 <oilsworkn> so you start preware, and get a messages saying its not runing?
May 11 21:22:02 <i_maq> yes, i open it and i get the little pop up saying "The service is not running. First try restarting Preware, or reboot your phone and try again."
May 11 21:22:14 <oilsworkn> hm
May 11 21:22:21 <i_maq> hm indeed
May 11 21:22:24 * oilsworkn wonders when rwhitby will wake up
May 11 21:22:24 <nt4cats> ipkg-opt -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed
May 11 21:22:35 <oilsworkn> yeah, try that :)
May 11 21:22:39 <nt4cats> do you see the entries for preware and the packagemgrsvc?
May 11 21:22:55 <nt4cats> they'll both be prefixed with "org.webosinternals.*"
May 11 21:23:26 <nt4cats> sorry, not "ipkg-opt" just "ipkg"
May 11 21:23:38 <nt4cats> old habit, sorry again
May 11 21:23:41 * oilsworkn will brb to install printer
May 11 21:23:51 <oilsworkn> like, real work
May 11 21:24:50 <i_maq> yup, both preware and pms
May 11 21:25:01 <i_maq> and a whole bunch of patches i installed that aren't working too
May 11 21:25:02 * nt4cats needs to put the laptop down and drive home (4-5 minutes) ... cops frown on driving with laptop obscuring wheel and road
May 11 21:25:03 <nt4cats> i_maq: we'll get this, for sure.  This works for many people (much easier)
May 11 21:25:59 <i_maq> Well I'll have to come back tomorrow, night time over here :-/ I will keep faith and hope it gets working for me, really wanted to migrate over to WebOS
May 11 21:26:32 <i_maq> So what are you thinking might be the problem?
May 11 21:32:37 <oilsworkn> at this point
May 11 21:32:43 * oilsworkn is almost thinking quick install
May 11 21:32:43 <i_maq> yes
May 11 21:32:53 <oilsworkn> since you said patches you've installed with it also aren't working?
May 11 21:33:00 <oilsworkn> what patches did you install?
May 11 21:33:01 <i_maq> that's correct
May 11 21:33:22 <i_maq> the 4x4, add pages, couple others
May 11 21:33:34 <oilsworkn> and not working after a reboot?
May 11 21:33:38 <i_maq> nope
May 11 21:33:47 <oilsworkn> \hm
May 11 21:33:51 <i_maq> hm indeed
May 11 21:34:02 <oilsworkn> id say try the bootstrap script
May 11 21:34:07 <oilsworkn> at the bottom of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap
May 11 21:34:08 <i_maq> shame you can't do a screencast on the Pre/Pixi
May 11 21:34:25 <oilsworkn> through novaterm
May 11 21:34:34 <i_maq> alright, gimme a minute
May 11 21:34:37 <oilsworkn> (i assume it works through that, i've actually never done it)
May 11 21:35:06 <nt4cats> I am going to disconnect / reconnect (switch off of EVDO onto home WiFi)
May 11 21:35:35 <PrimerFender> Is it possible to copy symlinks that link to files in the same directory to a different mount (like my pre)?
May 11 21:36:34 <i_maq> Asking if i'd like to include any alpha preware releases for this install, y/n
May 11 21:37:09 <oilsworkn> uhh
May 11 21:37:11 <oilsworkn> say no
May 11 21:37:40 <i_maq> ok that's installed, let me restart and see
May 11 21:37:56 <oilsworkn> really, you shouldn't have to restart
May 11 21:38:21 <i_maq> well it's restarting itself. is that normal? keeps restarting after every install/uninstall
May 11 21:38:27 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 21:38:46 <i_maq> doesn't happen through the app cat
May 11 21:38:47 <oilsworkn> afaik the only stuff that requires a full reboot is the kernel replacements
May 11 21:38:55 <oilsworkn> patches require a luna restart
May 11 21:38:59 <i_maq> ok, don't lol at my predicament :p
May 11 21:39:01 <oilsworkn> but thats not a complete restart
May 11 21:39:10 <i_maq> it's distressing!
May 11 21:39:16 <oilsworkn> understandable
May 11 21:39:36 <i_maq> oh. my. god
May 11 21:39:39 <i_maq> IT WORKS!!
May 11 21:39:46 <i_maq> You genius!
May 11 21:40:01 <nt4cats> ~genius
May 11 21:40:01 <infobot> An arbitrary precision integer and multiple precision floatingpoint calculator. URL: http://www.5z.com/jirka/genius.html
May 11 21:40:01 <oilsworkn> so, the moral of the story is, quickinstall = pixi fail?
May 11 21:40:05 <halfhalo> 'genius' isn't the word I would have used… but meh
May 11 21:40:26 <i_maq> haha, so mebe I should reinstall qi?
May 11 21:40:27 <nt4cats> infobot: you-genius is oil
May 11 21:40:28 <infobot> nt4cats: okay
May 11 21:41:30 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 21:41:43 * oilsworkn gets no <3 in #webos-internals
May 11 21:41:50 <i_maq> Well another Pixi owner seemed to do it ok (that i was talking to)
May 11 21:42:09 <i_maq> Background info, I'm a UK user using a German QWERTZ Pixi+!
May 11 21:42:16 <i_maq> on T-Mo
May 11 21:42:23 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 21:42:53 <i_maq> shows how bad i wanted to use WebOS and get away from Android!
May 11 21:43:15 <oilsworkn> yeah, webos is awesome
May 11 21:44:34 <i_maq> Anyways, you guys are stars, I gotta jet off now, work early in the morning :(
May 11 21:44:45 <i_maq> hoping to speak to you people more in the future
May 11 21:44:54 <i_maq> join the WebOS community :)
May 11 21:44:56 <nt4cats> i_maq: glad you're happy.  nite
May 11 21:45:02 <i_maq> night
May 11 21:46:35 * nt4cats is hope hope hope hope hope hopein' that Palm announces/teases a new device before July 1-ish ... I'm going to be itching for something new this summer
May 11 21:48:03 * oilsworkn just got a new replacement pre
May 11 21:48:12 <oilsworkn> the slider works great
May 11 21:48:20 <oilsworkn> the headphone jack always know when i unplug
May 11 21:48:24 <oilsworkn> its crazy!
May 11 21:49:01 <oilsworkn> but really, if they announced new hardware, i would totally get in line for it
May 11 21:49:21 <RamsesFSFE> I wouldn't buy it
May 11 21:49:32 <oilsworkn> why not?
May 11 21:50:03 <RamsesFSFE> oilsworkn: why should I buy a new phone if the old one works perfectly? I don't get my money from lotteries
May 11 21:50:21 <oilsworkn> i guess there is that
May 11 21:50:29 <oilsworkn> not that i get money from lotteries or anything, haha
May 11 21:50:36 <ka6sox-work> new palm phone has 8.73" touchscreen.
May 11 21:50:48 <oilsworkn> i would get in on the new phone to support palm and webos
May 11 21:50:55 * nt4cats gets all his extra money from oilsworkn's checking account
May 11 21:51:06 <oilsworkn> i mean, the phone i had before the pre, i had for a good 6 years
May 11 21:51:11 <oilsworkn> (and it certainly showed it)
May 11 21:51:16 <oilsworkn> thing was super-glued together
May 11 21:51:22 <RamsesFSFE> oilsworkn: If I buy a new phone, I'll buy a Nokia N900
May 11 21:52:34 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: then you don't have much extra money then do ya, haha
May 11 21:52:46 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: no, not at all.
May 11 21:52:53 <oilsworkn> i keep all my money in a shoe box under my bed
May 11 22:05:10 <dirs> hi
May 11 22:05:10 <dirs> i'm trying to use PDK, PDL. now I have my pre working with it. I can PDL_MojoReply(parms, "oi") and see it on the log of my app. so i write C code to do what I want (md5 a file.. sha256 a string...) but when I do PDL_MojoReply(parms, shash) - shash = char - javascript logs error: Uncaught Error: >tl^7^UJ??8?J??89????B5^A[7̫????>^A,
May 11 22:05:11 <dirs> when i try again my pre reboot o.O
May 11 22:05:51 <dirs> md5 a file can be done in JS but not in a huge file for pre..
May 11 22:06:15 <RamsesFSFE> oilsworkn: you haven't answer my question: Why should I buy a new phone if the old one works perfectly?
May 11 22:06:46 <oilsworkn> i never said you should
May 11 22:06:47 <nt4cats> RamsesFSFE: if you're a gadget geek (like me) you feel compelled to have the newest thing
May 11 22:07:10 <oilsworkn> dirs: i would try to help but i dont know anything about pdk stuff
May 11 22:07:22 <RamsesFSFE> nt4cats: I'm not. For me, the phone is a work tool
May 11 22:07:32 <oilsworkn> which is why you're going nokia?
May 11 22:07:36 <nt4cats> RamsesFSFE: we're all different
May 11 22:07:45 <dirs> oilsworkn: ok thank, with you know about C can you guess why that happens?
May 11 22:07:57 <nt4cats> dirs: this crowd is homebrew-focused.  You may have better luck on #webos
May 11 22:08:05 <dirs> I never worked with C before :/
May 11 22:08:09 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: he was just there asking
May 11 22:08:23 <oilsworkn> and got no answer
May 11 22:08:25 <RamsesFSFE> oilsworkn: bigger screen, bigger and better keyboard, seems to be more stable...
May 11 22:08:26 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: okay
May 11 22:08:35 <dirs> nt4cats: I know that but webos guys don't know so much about C..
May 11 22:08:47 * oilsworkn is not a c programmer either
May 11 22:09:02 <nt4cats> dirs: sorry, I don't know anything about the PDK.  I know C, but again nothing about the PDK
May 11 22:09:21 <PrimerFender> alphabet soup.
May 11 22:09:46 <oilsworkn> from everything ive seen, there is very little examples on pdk plugins
May 11 22:09:51 <oilsworkn> just that one box spinning thing
May 11 22:09:54 <nt4cats> ab adeck ajeckle manopper stew-it-zez
May 11 22:12:34 <nt4cats> (I'm guessing most people have no idea what I just typed ... see this video, starting at 0:55 http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=32118 )
May 11 22:16:45 <nt4cats> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr5er4ueWBQ#t=0m55s  (with the offset built into the link)
May 11 22:24:11 <lemketron> nt4cats... I used to love that song!
May 11 22:26:53 * oilsworkn has no speakers at work or would have watched video
May 11 22:31:31 <endhand> hello?
May 11 22:33:20 <oilsworkn> oh
May 11 22:33:29 <jhojho_> lol at that sesame street song
May 11 22:34:02 <jhojho_> hey lemketron did you ever get a chance to track down that headphone bug?
May 11 22:35:23 <mumbles> oh cock. i have just burnt some sql stuff into my toher pcs monitor
May 11 22:35:31 * oilsworkn wonders if this is the headphone bug he's thinking of
May 11 22:35:40 <mumbles> alter table set unused
May 11 22:35:45 <oilsworkn> nice
May 11 22:36:33 <mumbles> that teaches me to leave my moniter on
May 11 22:43:38 <sbromwich> mumbles: I think you need to ask permission to say "cock". James May always asks.
May 11 22:44:10 <mumbles> not allways
May 11 22:44:39 <sbromwich> not his fault if the editor leaves it on the cutting room floor ;-)
May 11 22:45:03 <mumbles> ah well least i have that chaptor finished
May 11 22:45:24 <hckyplayer024> does govnah not record data when the screen is off and phone not plugged in?
May 11 22:46:49 <sbromwich> hckyplayer024: it did for me when I just tried it
May 11 22:48:12 <hckyplayer024> sbromwich: I'm trying to verify that screenstate is working for me, when I have the phone plugged into my computer via USB, I can check with govnah and through terminal that the phone is running at 500mhz
May 11 22:48:35 <hckyplayer024> *terminal on my computer (OSX)
May 11 22:49:13 <hckyplayer024> but when its not plugged in and I leave govnah running, there is no dip in the clock speed on govnah, it just looks like it hasn't been recording anything
May 11 22:50:13 <sbromwich> check the load average
May 11 22:51:09 <hckyplayer024> should that be going down? up? I dont know what to look for with the load average
May 11 22:54:02 <sbromwich> see if it changes at all
May 11 22:54:16 <sbromwich> it won't update until a second or so after you power back up, that's normal
May 11 22:55:08 <oilsworkn> with govnah closed, it does nothing
May 11 22:55:13 <oilsworkn> with govnah open, it records data
May 11 22:55:20 <oilsworkn> govnah has to be visible for the graph to update
May 11 22:55:30 <oilsworkn> visible/the active card
May 11 22:55:39 <hckyplayer024> okay, I also tried checking Via SSH but terminal goes crazy with system going to sleep and waking up
May 11 22:55:49 <oilsworkn> yeah
May 11 22:56:03 <oilsworkn> like if you put it on screenstate
May 11 22:56:06 <oilsworkn> apply settings
May 11 22:56:09 <sbromwich> hckyplayer024: yeah, that's powerd getting excitable
May 11 22:56:11 <oilsworkn> gesture back to main scene
May 11 22:56:21 <oilsworkn> and turn the screen off with the button
May 11 22:56:29 <sbromwich> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/* if you want to see if it's making any transitions
May 11 22:56:35 <oilsworkn> when you turn the screen back on, the graph should update with the data while the screen was off
May 11 22:56:45 <oilsworkn> showing the dip (if using screenstate)
May 11 22:56:56 <oilsworkn> (and if you have the minimum different from the maximum xD)
May 11 22:57:21 <hckyplayer024> yeah I just tried that and I'm still getting a flat line
May 11 22:57:31 <hckyplayer024> min 500 max 800
May 11 22:57:43 <hckyplayer024> but when its plugged into my computer it shows the dip
May 11 22:57:44 <oilsworkn> what is the data polling option set at?
May 11 22:57:57 <oilsworkn> default 1 sec?
May 11 22:57:57 <hckyplayer024> 1sec
May 11 22:58:00 <oilsworkn> hm
May 11 22:58:24 <oilsworkn> you know, i usually test things with it hooked up to usb cable while developing
May 11 22:58:34 <oilsworkn> but i don't see why it should act any different weather its plugged in or not
May 11 22:59:02 <hckyplayer024> and now my screen is on
May 11 22:59:16 <hckyplayer024> and govnah is showing 500mhz
May 11 22:59:16 <oilsworkn> and 800
May 11 22:59:30 <oilsworkn> then screenstate isn't on
May 11 22:59:48 <hckyplayer024> im positive it is
May 11 22:59:54 <oilsworkn> i dont have it on my main pre or id test for ya right now
May 11 23:00:29 <hckyplayer024> okay well playing around with it some more it seemed to have corrected itself
May 11 23:00:47 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 23:00:49 <hckyplayer024> can I send you a screenshot?
May 11 23:01:21 <oilsworkn> if you upload it and link it here, ill look at it :)
May 11 23:03:09 <hckyplayer024> okay so ill open govnah do 30 sec off, 30 sec on, 30 sec off
May 11 23:03:21 <hckyplayer024> and upload a screenshot
May 11 23:07:23 <hckyplayer024> oilsworkn: wanna hear something really funny? I just did that with my slider closed: worked perfectly, slider open: graph im gonna upload
May 11 23:07:43 <oilsworkn> i mean, govnah just tracks whats going on
May 11 23:07:51 <oilsworkn> it doesn't do anything to effect whats on the graphs
May 11 23:07:52 <hckyplayer024> well I dont even need to upload it, this time it just stayed at 800 the entire time
May 11 23:08:18 <oilsworkn> i mean, if you can prove that govnah is wrong, and missing where the graph should have dipped
May 11 23:08:18 <hckyplayer024> well is that a bug with screenstate then?
May 11 23:08:21 <oilsworkn> that i can look into and fix
May 11 23:08:36 <hckyplayer024> no I dont think its a problem with govnah
May 11 23:08:36 <oilsworkn> yeah, if its a problem where its not actually changing the clock
May 11 23:08:46 <oilsworkn> then its a kernel/governor problem
May 11 23:09:01 <hckyplayer024> okay
May 11 23:09:02 <oilsworkn> and you should talk to sbromwich/unixpsycho/rwhitby
May 11 23:09:21 <hckyplayer024> sbromwich: are you still here?
May 11 23:09:26 <sbromwich> mmm
May 11 23:09:31 <uNiXpSyChO> why is my name used in vain?
May 11 23:09:48 <sbromwich> speak of the devil, and lo, he appears
May 11 23:09:53 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 23:09:59 <halfhalo> lies
May 11 23:10:02 <hckyplayer024> I think there might be a bug with the screenstate governor
May 11 23:10:20 <hckyplayer024> just doing some tests with govnah
May 11 23:10:48 <hckyplayer024> if my slider is open and the screen is off, govnah reports 800mhz
May 11 23:10:52 <oilsworkn> and govnah is completely bug proof!
May 11 23:11:03 <oilsworkn> :)
May 11 23:11:06 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 11 23:11:30 <oilsworkn> really, its all the skill of "make it someone elses problem"
May 11 23:11:38 * oilsworkn is pro at that
May 11 23:11:43 * sbromwich too
May 11 23:12:01 <oilsworkn> 100% of problems with preware are due to the ipkgservice
May 11 23:12:04 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 23:12:26 <sbromwich> battery drain problems with my kernel are due to running too many services in the background
May 11 23:12:36 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 23:12:47 <hckyplayer024> if I plug in my pre to a power source, then it doesnt matter if slider is open or not its screen off 500 screen on 800
May 11 23:12:48 <oilsworkn> so, really, you're blaming kernel problems on ipkgservice?
May 11 23:12:54 <sbromwich> (and battery monitor said my drain was 1.5%/hour on my ride home tonight)
May 11 23:13:06 <sbromwich> I'll blame it on anything I can :-)
May 11 23:13:17 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: what is the kernel version
May 11 23:13:37 <oilsworkn> i would say blame it on wircd, but its already got too many problems and nobody to fix them xD
May 11 23:14:03 <hckyplayer024> restarting luna now
May 11 23:14:15 <hckyplayer024> but unless you updated the feeds within the past hour
May 11 23:14:23 <hckyplayer024> its the latest nontesting version
May 11 23:14:40 <hckyplayer024> i dont have the kernal testing feed enabled on preware
May 11 23:14:43 * uNiXpSyChO never believes users
May 11 23:15:09 <oilsworkn> its cause they lie isn't it?
May 11 23:15:16 <hckyplayer024> haha unixpsycho I dont have a reason to lie to you, you guys have been so helpful
May 11 23:15:16 <hckyplayer024> '
May 11 23:15:25 <oilsworkn> ill get called to sales to fix a computer
May 11 23:15:30 <oilsworkn> ill be all "what did you do?"
May 11 23:15:41 <oilsworkn> you kidding me, they never do anything!
May 11 23:15:47 <oilsworkn> they just look at the pc and it starts acting weird
May 11 23:15:52 <PrimerFender> quick question, do all/most services/programs on webos run as "root" user?
May 11 23:15:56 <uNiXpSyChO> oilsworkn: unfortunately most users do lie.
May 11 23:16:08 <oilsworkn> if they just told me they installed this funny thing in their email
May 11 23:16:12 <oilsworkn> i would be able to fix it much faster
May 11 23:16:17 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 23:16:20 <sbromwich> I had one user "restart" a unix server by pulling the power out and then he complained the OS should be more resilient to power failures
May 11 23:16:23 <sbromwich> *facepalm*
May 11 23:16:29 <oilsworkn> hahaha
May 11 23:16:45 <hckyplayer024> im running a fresh copy of webos
May 11 23:16:47 <oilsworkn> it should have had a built-in-ups
May 11 23:16:51 <oilsworkn> obviously
May 11 23:17:00 <sbromwich> he didn't want to pay for that
May 11 23:17:03 <sbromwich> or for redundant drives
May 11 23:17:04 <oilsworkn> haha
May 11 23:17:15 <sbromwich> or for redundant cpus
May 11 23:17:16 * uNiXpSyChO installing the very old kernel in preware
May 11 23:17:20 <sbromwich> or for... well, anything, really
May 11 23:33:41 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: wanna try a bleeding-edge kernel to test?
May 11 23:34:07 <hckyplayer024> yeah
May 11 23:34:32 <hckyplayer024> id be willing to give it a try
May 11 23:34:35 <uNiXpSyChO> you'll have to do a one-shot boot....  sbormwich is a master at explaining how to do it.
May 11 23:34:35 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 23:34:49 <sbromwich> step 1: install linux...
May 11 23:35:05 <sbromwich> I don't know how it's done under windows
May 11 23:35:41 <sbromwich> however I *did* just do a one-shot boot myself so I can cut and paste the relevant bits
May 11 23:35:50 <hckyplayer024> i have osx
May 11 23:35:59 <sbromwich> oh, osx should work then
May 11 23:36:11 <sbromwich> here goes:
May 11 23:36:15 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device / # tellbootie recover
May 11 23:36:17 <sbromwich> novacomd socket was closed prematurely
May 11 23:36:28 <sbromwich> itssab@itssab-aspire:~/test$ novacom boot mem:// < ./uImage
May 11 23:36:30 <sbromwich> itssab@itssab-aspire:~/test$
May 11 23:36:32 <sbromwich> that's it
May 11 23:36:34 <hckyplayer024> uninstall my current curnal first?
May 11 23:36:38 <sbromwich> nup
May 11 23:36:53 <oilsworkn> curnal?
May 11 23:36:55 <hckyplayer024> kernel*
May 11 23:36:56 <oilsworkn> xD
May 11 23:36:56 <sbromwich> it boots out of ram so your current on-disk kernel is untouched
May 11 23:36:58 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 11 23:37:07 <hckyplayer024> playing a game too
May 11 23:37:39 <airmack> lol curnal
May 11 23:37:43 <hckyplayer024> k give me like 5-10 min and ill start it
May 11 23:38:00 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: grab kernel from http://unixpsycho.com/uImage3
May 11 23:38:30 * uNiXpSyChO isnt gonna reveal that is accepts a min setting in govnah for screenstate
May 11 23:42:15 * kmeyer bookmarks http://unixpsycho.com/uImage4
May 11 23:42:41 <uNiXpSyChO> uImage4?  where?  when?  how did that get there?
May 11 23:43:11 <kmeyer> :P
May 11 23:44:14 <uNiXpSyChO> must be one of sbromwich's kernels mutating and taking over my server
May 11 23:46:04 <ka6sox-work> bwaaah
May 11 23:46:19 <Zahid> Rookie question here: I'm leaving my Pre in Dev mode so I can use WOSQI. What security precautions do I need to take? I saw some stuff on webos-internals.com but it said the info was deprecated.
May 11 23:47:16 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: unpossible, it doesn't have a scifi name tagged on it
May 11 23:47:34 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
May 11 23:47:36 <sbromwich> Zahid: don't let other people have physical access to your device
May 11 23:49:13 <Zahid> Check. That's true regardless of Dev mode, right?
May 11 23:49:35 <ka6sox-work> if they physically have it they 0wnZ3r you.
May 11 23:49:44 <uNiXpSyChO> pwn3d
May 11 23:52:02 <hckyplayer024> -bash: ./Users/Daniel/Downloads/uImage3: No such file or directory
May 11 23:52:14 <hckyplayer024> even though the image is located in that directory
May 11 23:52:38 <hckyplayer024> novacom boot mem:// < ./Users/Daniel/Downloads/uImage3
May 11 23:52:45 <hckyplayer024> thats right correct?
May 11 23:53:41 <Zahid> OK, so no letting anyone touch my Pre. Do I need to set up a non-SU user?
May 11 23:54:04 <hckyplayer024> sbromwich?
May 11 23:54:06 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: you sure its there?  try giving it full path
May 11 23:54:29 <hckyplayer024> yeah, positive I dragged and dropped the file into terminal
May 11 23:54:38 <hckyplayer024> so it automatically puts the location of the file
May 11 23:54:50 <sbromwich> hckyplayer024: do ls -l ./Users/Daniel/Downloads/uImage3
May 11 23:54:57 * uNiXpSyChO hates anything Apple
May 11 23:55:18 <hckyplayer024> still says no such file
May 11 23:55:20 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: osx at least has the benefit of not being windows
May 11 23:55:23 <hckyplayer024> ill move it to desktop
May 11 23:55:40 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: true true...  i wont bash it anmore.
May 11 23:55:46 <sbromwich> hckyplayer024: then it's probably not the right location and something is leading you astray
May 11 23:56:17 <hckyplayer024> moving it to desktop worked
May 11 23:56:40 <hckyplayer024> -rw-r--r--@ 1 Daniel  staff  1984824 May 11 16:48 /Users/Daniel/Desktop/uImage3
May 11 23:56:50 <uNiXpSyChO> booting?
May 11 23:56:53 <hckyplayer024> novacom boot mem:// < ./Users/Daniel/Desktop/uImage3
May 11 23:56:54 <hckyplayer024> -bash: ./Users/Daniel/Desktop/uImage3: No such file or directory
May 11 23:57:16 <hckyplayer024> but doing ls -l worked
May 11 23:57:44 <sbromwich> with ./Users/Daniel/Desktop/uImage3 or with /Users/Daniel/Desktop/uImage3?
May 11 23:58:10 <hckyplayer024> ohhhhh no .
May 11 23:58:15 <sbromwich> bingo
May 11 23:58:20 <ka6sox-work> thats OSX being a pill.
May 11 23:58:27 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 11 23:58:35 <hckyplayer024> ahhh
May 11 23:58:36 <hckyplayer024> there we go
May 11 23:58:40 <hckyplayer024> booting now
May 11 23:58:42 <sbromwich> yay
May 11 23:58:46 <uNiXpSyChO> woohoo
May 11 23:59:09 <uNiXpSyChO> hopefully there wont be a sad face on the Pre during boot
May 11 23:59:13 <hckyplayer024> so this is just gonna load this time? and if I reboot it will load the kernel installed through preware
May 11 23:59:24 <uNiXpSyChO> correct
May 11 23:59:27 <Zahid> sbromwich: do I need to set up a non-root user?
May 11 23:59:48 <hckyplayer024> i see
May 12 00:00:54 <sbromwich> Zahid: seeing as anyone who installs the palm sdk and runs novaterm with your device connected will be in as root... I don't think it'll make any great difference
May 12 00:01:17 <sbromwich> Zahid: once someone has your device in their possession all bets are off anyway
May 12 00:01:56 <Zahid> sbromwich: Thanks--that's what I thought. I'll create another user to protect me from myself but won't get a false sense of security from it.
May 12 00:02:01 <ka6sox-work> he needs the NSA app.
May 12 00:02:16 <sbromwich> Zahid: good idea
May 12 00:02:40 <Zahid> What's the NSA app?
May 12 00:02:55 <hckyplayer024> so this kernel is only screenstate
May 12 00:03:11 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: you're quick
May 12 00:03:14 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 12 00:03:27 <sbromwich> can someone try booting www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.bt3 for me to see if it boots or not?
May 12 00:03:28 <hckyplayer024> but it can scale down to 125 when the screens off?
May 12 00:03:41 <uNiXpSyChO> it can scale to whatever you set
May 12 00:03:56 <hckyplayer024> yeah, its not limited to 500 like the old one was
May 12 00:04:03 <uNiXpSyChO> test it and let me know
May 12 00:04:38 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: does it boot for you?
May 12 00:04:48 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: it boots for me but not ka6sox
May 12 00:05:07 <ka6sox-work> I'm might not be licking it right...need more caffiene.
May 12 00:05:36 <sbromwich> or there may be deeper hardware differences between revs than I expected
May 12 00:05:46 <uNiXpSyChO> what rev is yours?
May 12 00:05:51 <sbromwich> I guess I have one of the latest models on bell
May 12 00:05:55 <hckyplayer024> looks like it works   BogoMIPS	: 124.51
May 12 00:06:00 <hckyplayer024> when the screen is off
May 12 00:06:28 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: dunno, I only got it... last month?
May 12 00:06:59 <tuxedo> how to get more profiles for the govnah app?
May 12 00:07:01 <sbromwich> but there's mutterings of different silicon revs in the prcm code
May 12 00:07:12 <uNiXpSyChO> doesnt it say in cpuinfo?
May 12 00:07:27 <sbromwich> dunno, I'll go find out, shall I? ;-)
May 12 00:07:34 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: is it still working?  bug gone?
May 12 00:07:44 <hckyplayer024> checking now
May 12 00:07:50 <sbromwich> Hardware        : Sirloin OMAP3430 board
May 12 00:07:51 <sbromwich> Revision        : 34304332
May 12 00:07:53 <sbromwich> Serial          : 0000000000000000
May 12 00:07:58 <sbromwich> I have a serial # of leetness, obviously.
May 12 00:08:03 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
May 12 00:08:24 <ka6sox-work> I thought that was L7L7L7L7L7L7
May 12 00:08:32 <hckyplayer024> hey same serial here too
May 12 00:08:36 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 12 00:09:01 <rwhitby> I predict that i_maq has an old version of WOSQI.
May 12 00:09:36 <hckyplayer024> unixpsycho: bug is gone kinda
May 12 00:09:43 <uNiXpSyChO> kinda?
May 12 00:09:45 <hckyplayer024> instead of drops
May 12 00:09:52 <hckyplayer024> like really steep drops
May 12 00:10:13 <uNiXpSyChO> i have no idea what you mean
May 12 00:10:22 <hckyplayer024> its a long very gradual slope
May 12 00:10:29 <hckyplayer024> ill upload a screenshot in a sec
May 12 00:10:42 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: thats a govnah bug...
May 12 00:10:49 * uNiXpSyChO passes the buck
May 12 00:11:01 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 12 00:11:06 <sbromwich> nicely done
May 12 00:11:19 <hckyplayer024> well this kernel is much better tho, the old one didn't even do that
May 12 00:11:23 <hckyplayer024> it would just stay at 800
May 12 00:12:35 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: well you are scaling down to 125 which is pretty deep in the trench.  graphing that may be tricky
May 12 00:13:03 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: my phone spends most of its time at 125
May 12 00:13:34 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: i set mine to 250.  for some it hangs their phone.
May 12 00:13:46 <VincentLaw> anyone looked at the loads when running at 125mhz?
May 12 00:13:49 <VincentLaw> it's /insane/ lol
May 12 00:13:52 <VincentLaw> it's like 10+ for me
May 12 00:14:04 <uNiXpSyChO> VincentLaw: you can thank powerd
May 12 00:14:06 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: that's one of the problems my patches are supposed to solve
May 12 00:14:16 <sbromwich> VincentLaw: not trying hard enough, wait for it to hit 30-40
May 12 00:14:31 <hckyplayer024> well it looks like its working very well
May 12 00:14:45 <hckyplayer024> really happy with my 10 min or so of testing
May 12 00:14:46 <hckyplayer024> haha
May 12 00:14:47 <VincentLaw> uNiXpSyChO: what's powerd doing to eat that sort of CPU anywaY?
May 12 00:14:48 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: i have seen it hit 30.  with no IO wait or anything using CPU.
May 12 00:14:49 <VincentLaw> *anyway
May 12 00:15:22 <dick-richardson> how do you launch an app from the command line?
May 12 00:15:25 <hckyplayer024> any idea when this will be released as part of uberkernel?
May 12 00:15:40 <uNiXpSyChO> VincentLaw: i think it keeps waking up the phone.  its some interupts in the background not showing up with top
May 12 00:15:51 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: that's powerd bouncing in and out, the wfi I stuck in the Fail section helps smooth the load down a lot
May 12 00:16:12 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: if we put a predefined profile in govnah which has min freq set to 500, then we can allow the uber kernel to go down to 125 for screenstate
May 12 00:16:23 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: that explains it.
May 12 00:16:37 <rwhitby> (so people can reboot and select the 500 profile to get to other profiles if their device fails at 125)
May 12 00:17:18 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: makes sense.  hckyplayer024  is the 1st user of this bleeding kernel with no static min
May 12 00:17:40 <uNiXpSyChO> and an overhauled screenstate gov
May 12 00:17:59 <uNiXpSyChO> but still no touchstone code since i still cant find it
May 12 00:18:27 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, what kind of code are you looking for the Touchstone?
May 12 00:18:35 <hckyplayer024> should I try it with the touchstone?
May 12 00:18:59 <hckyplayer024> my brightness is set at 10% btw
May 12 00:19:40 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: i am looking for what kernel module monitors the touchstone activation.  i know i userspace powerd and such knows its there but i cant find where the userspace is polling.  i assume uevent but still cant find it.
May 12 00:20:18 <VincentLaw> you forgot the other explanation: magic.
May 12 00:20:25 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: you can try it.  if you dont have brightness unlinked then it shold be fine at a low level.
May 12 00:20:42 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, I'm digging into the charger/power code right now.
May 12 00:20:46 <ka6sox-work> I'll look for it.
May 12 00:21:20 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: thanx.  i went through alot of the charger code but they all seem to be for twl charger (usb)
May 12 00:21:54 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, I found another one that can tell the difference.
May 12 00:21:57 <hckyplayer024> yeah touchsone is fine too
May 12 00:22:13 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: do tell
May 12 00:22:21 <ka6sox-work> there are different registers for the USB and AC chargers.
May 12 00:22:45 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: in which module?
May 12 00:22:50 <ka6sox-work> I'm working on a driver that will report it to you.
May 12 00:23:01 <ka6sox-work> twl4030_charger
May 12 00:23:25 <ka6sox-work> right now lkml be dead or I'd get the latest bits from Greg KH ftw.
May 12 00:23:31 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: hmm.  thats usb.  i dont think the inductive charging uses that.
May 12 00:23:49 <ka6sox-work> well...I'm addiing it.
May 12 00:24:00 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: oh.  cool
May 12 00:24:14 <ka6sox-work> the inductive charger uses the AC charger registers.
May 12 00:24:25 <ka6sox-work> of the twl4030
May 12 00:24:55 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: odd.  i ran a kernel debug and it didnt show up anything is debugfs for changed registers
May 12 00:25:02 <uNiXpSyChO> is=in
May 12 00:25:29 <hckyplayer024> unixpsycho: starting battery tests with screen off but so far everything is working smoothly and I really like it
May 12 00:25:39 <ka6sox-work> I think that they must be accessing the i2c0 device and pinging the register.
May 12 00:26:08 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: good.  i'll diff it up and throw it to the testing feed or something
May 12 00:26:42 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: may the force be with you.
May 12 00:27:21 <ka6sox-work> ya, I really want the bits when I see things like this: LKML: Greg KH: [077/156] wl1251: fix potential crash
May 12 00:31:11 * uNiXpSyChO about to boot uImage.bt3
May 12 00:32:46 <sbromwich> ta
May 12 00:33:28 <uNiXpSyChO> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #2 PREEMPT Tue May 11 23:08:07 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown
May 12 00:33:50 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, did you look @ triton? that is involved with all this.
May 12 00:34:14 * ka6sox-work must not be licking it right.
May 12 00:34:27 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: nope.  where is that.
May 12 00:34:30 <sbromwich> what's your hardware rev uNiXpSyChO?
May 12 00:34:57 <uNiXpSyChO> CPU variant     : 0x1
May 12 00:34:59 <uNiXpSyChO> CPU part        : 0xc08
May 12 00:35:00 <uNiXpSyChO> CPU revision    : 3
May 12 00:35:05 <uNiXpSyChO> Revision        : 34304332
May 12 00:35:24 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, /pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.1.1/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/
May 12 00:35:32 <sbromwich> hmmm... same as mine
May 12 00:35:58 <ka6sox-work> I need to get mine out of the the bootie mode.
May 12 00:36:09 <sbromwich> is your's different ka6sox-work?
May 12 00:36:10 <sbromwich> heh
May 12 00:36:16 <sbromwich> battery pull!
May 12 00:36:22 <uNiXpSyChO> fsboot
May 12 00:36:24 <ka6sox-work> :P
May 12 00:36:33 <ka6sox-work> yep.
May 12 00:36:37 <sbromwich> wuss.
May 12 00:36:41 <ka6sox-work> heh
May 12 00:38:39 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: hmm.  where that path?  i dont haz
May 12 00:39:43 <ka6sox-work> triton is an ipkg in the rootfs.
May 12 00:40:02 <ka6sox-work> so its either in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin i suspect.
May 12 00:43:28 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, it appears as if they call the TWL4030 a Triton 2
May 12 00:43:45 <uNiXpSyChO> ohhhhhhh
May 12 00:44:34 <ka6sox-work> and there is an ipkg for it.
May 12 00:44:46 <ka6sox-work> its in the doctor jar.
May 12 00:45:28 * uNiXpSyChO decides wether to look at pixi code or TWL code....
May 12 00:46:22 <chrisa> Did I hear triton?
May 12 00:46:23 <ka6sox-work> twl code isn't informative
May 12 00:46:30 <ka6sox-work> hi chrisa
May 12 00:46:32 <ka6sox-work> ya you did.
May 12 00:46:54 <uNiXpSyChO> tell us all
May 12 00:47:04 <uNiXpSyChO> i meant Triton code
May 12 00:47:10 <ka6sox-work> (or as much as you can)
May 12 00:47:11 <uNiXpSyChO> ipkg... whatever
May 12 00:48:39 <ka6sox-work> chrisa, we are looking for how the pre knows it is on the touchstone.
May 12 00:49:01 <chrisa> well, apps simply receive a bus notification
May 12 00:49:08 <chrisa> Lower level than that is significantly more complicated
May 12 00:49:12 <hckyplayer024> unixpsycho: I'm heading out to dinner now. will you still be online in a couple hours so I can report the results
May 12 00:49:28 <uNiXpSyChO> i'll be here... but maybe drunk
May 12 00:49:38 <hckyplayer024> haha okay
May 12 00:49:45 <chrisa> I know how pixi does it, but I don't know that layer on pre well
May 12 00:50:05 <PrimerFender> Is it really that different?
May 12 00:50:05 <uNiXpSyChO> can you tell us what module or driver monitors the touchstone presence?
May 12 00:50:08 <ka6sox-work> chrisa, so basically it must look @ the charger statemachine to figure out what state its in.
May 12 00:50:26 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, I think I know where to look.
May 12 00:50:26 <chrisa> powerd responds to bus requests about charger state
May 12 00:50:36 <ka6sox-work> right.
May 12 00:50:36 <uNiXpSyChO> where
May 12 00:50:44 <uNiXpSyChO> w1 subsystem?  udev?
May 12 00:50:46 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: private dbus I expect
May 12 00:50:53 <uNiXpSyChO> oh
May 12 00:51:02 <rwhitby> dbus-util --capture
May 12 00:51:06 <chrisa> I always forget what we moved to the private bus
May 12 00:51:16 <chrisa> Since I have no userspace code to maintain
May 12 00:52:34 <bpadalino> do you prefer userspace or kernel code to maintain ?
May 12 00:53:02 <dp_pre> having package service issues
May 12 00:53:07 <ka6sox-work> okay, I'll continue backporting twl4030_charger then.
May 12 00:53:23 <dp_pre> pre backup util...netstat...preware
May 12 00:53:36 <ka6sox-work> then I will be able to tell you what state you are in.
May 12 00:53:42 * uNiXpSyChO need a stiff drink to read through all this dbus capture
May 12 00:54:20 * uNiXpSyChO it would help if i didnt have govnah running
May 12 00:54:31 * ka6sox-work is going to have to add all the names they have for the states.
May 12 00:56:06 <chrisa> kernel/bootloader is more fun
May 12 00:56:09 <chrisa> With some kernel frameworks
May 12 01:01:51 * PrimerFender eats pie!
May 12 01:09:07 <ka6sox-work> so there are basically 2 ways to find out whether you are on the Touchstone or not.
May 12 01:09:42 <ka6sox-work> 1) look to see if the AC charger registers in the TWL4030 are not pegged on Zero.
May 12 01:10:05 <ka6sox-work> 2) Look @ the Charger Statemachine and see if its in a mode that says you are on the charger.
May 12 01:10:26 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: you gonna do a patch for that?
May 12 01:10:46 <rwhitby> (kernel patch that is)
May 12 01:10:49 <ka6sox-work> I'm backporting twl4030_charger now.
May 12 01:11:09 * uNiXpSyChO would be forever grateful
May 12 01:12:01 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, thats why I have to type in all the different state names into the driver.
May 12 01:12:14 <uNiXpSyChO> ah
May 12 01:12:22 <ka6sox-work> so you can look at it. (or maybe I can just give you the _raw.
May 12 01:12:26 <ka6sox-work> )
May 12 01:12:36 <ka6sox-work> you probably just want a value range to look for.
May 12 01:12:42 <rwhitby> state names are good for users to cat
May 12 01:12:58 <ka6sox-work> I'll still do that but I'm going to add the raw value too.
May 12 01:13:21 <uNiXpSyChO> either will work for me...
May 12 01:13:28 <ka6sox-work> the statenames are good for ubermon.
May 12 01:15:06 <uNiXpSyChO> you gonna make an export symbol function?  if not i'll do that.
May 12 01:15:21 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, I'll do that in the driver.
May 12 01:15:42 <uNiXpSyChO> cool!
May 12 01:18:30 <ka6sox-work> (since you need it for the govnah)
May 12 01:18:44 <rwhitby> FYI: http://www.precentral.net/sticker
May 12 01:18:50 <ka6sox-work> s/govnah/governor
May 12 01:25:28 * rwhitby bbl
May 12 01:33:13 <rolsworth> my pre is messed up. I did the webos doctor and now i cannot activate it.
May 12 01:33:27 <rolsworth> anyone know a way i can get the files off the usb drive
May 12 01:34:18 <PrimerFender> There are instructions on how to boot the pre into USB drive mode on the internet...
May 12 01:34:39 <rolsworth> don't see any such thing
May 12 01:34:48 <rolsworth> all i see if using some sort of meta doctor
May 12 01:35:30 <PrimerFender> You can access USB Drive mode by pressing and holding the orange key/Option + Sym + U after connecting the phone to the computer. This enables you to access USB drive mode if the screen is broken or stops responding to taps.
May 12 01:36:21 <rolsworth> i need to activate the phone to do that and i cannot get to that point
May 12 01:36:27 <rolsworth> i cannot sign in or anything
May 12 01:36:35 <rolsworth> phone stuck in offline mode
May 12 01:36:54 <PrimerFender> no, just plug it in to computer and hold those keys down
May 12 01:37:01 <PrimerFender> i've done this from a bricked pre before
May 12 01:37:25 <rolsworth> does not work
May 12 01:41:49 <PrimerFender> checking...
May 12 01:44:05 <PrimerFender> do this, power off the phone first
May 12 01:44:06 <halfhalo> I think I'm screwed in regards to new credit card
May 12 01:45:35 <rolsworth> none of things work. the phone cannot mount the usb partition without being activated
May 12 01:46:16 <PrimerFender> then create a new profile
May 12 01:46:17 <rolsworth> i need a meta doctored webos doctor
May 12 01:46:25 <rolsworth> i cannot create a profile
May 12 01:46:40 <halfhalo> The phone CAN mount in usb mode withough being activated
May 12 01:47:06 <rolsworth> i cannot get to that point. phone says it is offline and cannot get to the profile screen
May 12 01:47:13 <rolsworth> no it cannot
May 12 01:47:19 <halfhalo> opt-sym-u forces it to when you do it before it boots
May 12 01:47:30 <halfhalo> its just like opt-sym-r
May 12 01:47:51 <PrimerFender> halfhalo: have you tried opt-sym-i ?
May 12 01:48:06 <halfhalo> yeah
May 12 01:48:15 <halfhalo> I prefer opt-sym-f4 though
May 12 01:48:15 <rolsworth> already tried that and i have not seen anyone confirm this to work. everyone says you need a meta doctor
May 12 01:48:16 <halfhalo> :p
May 12 01:48:18 <PrimerFender> i just did it on accident ;-)
May 12 01:48:26 <halfhalo> I JUST tried it
May 12 01:48:41 <halfhalo> did an opt-sym-r then an opt-sym-u while it booted
May 12 01:49:02 <PrimerFender> BTW, i found that I couldn't opt-sym-u until I unlocked my screen
May 12 01:49:06 <rolsworth> your phone is activated
May 12 01:49:49 <rwhitby> rolsworth: you can also use the palm developer device tool to enable dev mode and bypass firstuse
May 12 01:50:08 <halfhalo> You mean the Sprint flashed VZW?  Its not.  and anyways IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE ACTIVATED
May 12 01:50:23 <halfhalo> opt-sym-u happens BEFORE the main os starts to boot
May 12 01:50:26 <rwhitby> rolsworth: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=30
May 12 01:53:17 <rolsworth> opt-sym-u does not work period
May 12 01:53:32 <rolsworth> does not work on an unactivated pre
May 12 01:53:48 <halfhalo> I just did it.  On two phones.  One activated, one not.  Both plugged in to usb
May 12 01:54:14 <rolsworth> how
May 12 01:54:25 <rolsworth> how did you access the usb drive on an unactivated pre?
May 12 01:54:38 <rolsworth> do you have some sort of special webos on it
May 12 01:54:58 <rolsworth> because no one i have read were able to do this
May 12 01:55:46 <halfhalo> It is not affected by webos, it is a lower level utility
May 12 01:56:02 <halfhalo> but it ONLY works if its plugged into usb for me
May 12 01:56:38 <rolsworth> i have an activated pre here tired that and it did not work
May 12 01:56:51 <PrimerFender> you can't press opt+sym+f4!
May 12 01:57:04 * rwhitby notes the answer is about 10 lines above, and figures that rolsworth would rather argue the point than solve his problem :)
May 12 01:57:46 <halfhalo> Once again, it will not work if it is not plugged in via usb
May 12 01:57:59 <halfhalo> and I killed my battery restarting it to test yet AGAIN
May 12 01:58:08 <rolsworth> you are saying if you turn the phone off and press opt-sym-u usb mode will be on before the os boots. that did not work on activated pre at all
May 12 01:58:25 <rolsworth> and phone is plugged into usb
May 12 01:59:25 <halfhalo> TOTALLY forgot that the 1400mAh battery was in the charger
May 12 02:00:21 <JackieRipper> good morning
May 12 02:00:55 * JackieRipper is excited.  First patch made it to the webosinternals feed!
May 12 02:00:58 <JackieRipper> :)
May 12 02:01:02 <PrimerFender> nice
May 12 02:01:24 <halfhalo> wait… why does this even matter?  doctors no longer wipe the usb partition....
May 12 02:02:23 <rolsworth> halfhalo, i cannot mount the usb drive because i cannot get to the profile sign in because the phone has a problem and remains offline
May 12 02:03:04 <halfhalo> And your attempting to metadoctor it, right?
May 12 02:03:22 <rolsworth> i don't have the tools to do it
May 12 02:03:34 <rolsworth> an di cannot find it online to download any where
May 12 02:03:54 <halfhalo> you have to make it yourself
May 12 02:03:59 <JackieRipper> rolsworth: did you happen to see the link rwhitby posted a few dozen lines up?
May 12 02:04:01 <halfhalo> it literally takes 5 minutes
May 12 02:04:30 <JackieRipper> the one that takes you to a page named "Developing on an Unactivated Device"
May 12 02:04:46 <JackieRipper> the one with link for the webosdoctor and the activation bypass tool?
May 12 02:04:48 <rwhitby> rolsworth: if you found a modified copy of the webosdoctor from anywhere other than palm, it would be a copyright law violation
May 12 02:04:49 <rolsworth> the activation bypass tool
May 12 02:05:03 <rolsworth> already downloaded it
May 12 02:05:05 <JackieRipper> It's on the page rwhitby linked
May 12 02:05:09 <JackieRipper> ok
May 12 02:05:27 <JackieRipper> and it didn't work?
May 12 02:06:43 <rolsworth> trying to figure out how to use it
May 12 02:06:51 <rolsworth> said to run it from a command line
May 12 02:09:33 <halfhalo> you know the first thing I'm going to take a picture of with the new camera?  My puppy.  And then I will beat infobot into submission so that ~puppy is Look!  A Puppy!  httz://linktopuppypicture.  and then the world sploded
May 12 02:12:16 <PrimerFender> i still can't figure out how to hold shift for F but not 4...
May 12 02:12:56 <halfhalo> oh.  double tap ctrl-alt-del to do that
May 12 02:16:20 <PrimerFender> ahh! there it goes
May 12 02:16:22 <PrimerFender> thanks
May 12 02:26:17 <oc80z> rw whats good
May 12 02:26:19 <oc80z> skynet eh?
May 12 02:30:51 <PrimerFender> argh! i cannot get apache to compile and run as root...
May 12 02:31:40 <zsoc> why not
May 12 02:34:15 <PrimerFender> it compiles, but everytime I start I get the same error, to set the env CFLAGS variable and re-compile. I've tried every possible permutation of setting the env variable I can think of but to no avail...wondering if it's just broken...
May 12 02:36:10 <mike> hello
May 12 02:36:12 <oc80z> hows the SBromwich kernel?
May 12 02:36:13 <PrimerFender> BTW, I got WIDK working :-D
May 12 02:36:23 <oc80z> hi Guest14892/mike
May 12 02:36:37 <sbromwich> working on reducing battery drain
May 12 02:36:39 <Guest14892> I haven't been on irc in yeaars!!!!
May 12 02:36:50 <Guest14892> the page is rly messed up on my pre
May 12 02:37:14 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.bt3 if you want to give it a go
May 12 02:37:56 <oc80z> ok ill give it a shot
May 12 02:37:58 <oc80z> whats good Guest14892?
May 12 02:38:26 <Guest14892> is there an app for ircon pre? Cuz I can't read thispage on my pre
May 12 02:38:39 <oc80z> sbromwich: quick question, is it ok for scaling?
May 12 02:38:49 <sbromwich> Guest14892: wirc is what people use I believe
May 12 02:38:58 <sbromwich> oc80z: scaling in terms of...?
May 12 02:39:46 <Guest14892> ok lemme check
May 12 02:40:16 <PrimerFender> scaling, like revving up and down processor speed?
May 12 02:40:51 <oc80z> mm
May 12 02:40:52 <sbromwich> PrimerFender: with a governor or using smartreflex?
May 12 02:41:25 <oc80z> mmyea
May 12 02:41:26 <PrimerFender> Don't know, just curious if that's what he meant
May 12 02:42:41 <sbromwich> smartreflex is a nono, governors should work OK for cpufreq, ondemand may cause issues particularly with regards to voice calls
May 12 02:43:35 <oc80z> yeah
May 12 02:44:21 <sbromwich> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel
May 12 02:44:41 <oc80z> yep
May 12 02:44:51 <oc80z> i saw an update on our wiki
May 12 02:44:58 <halfhalo> ewww
May 12 02:45:01 <oc80z> specially about the skynet mention.
May 12 02:45:02 <halfhalo> wiki's are icky
May 12 02:45:33 <sbromwich> halfhalo: people tend not to read the READMEs in the patches I made
May 12 02:46:06 <halfhalo> yeah, bucause thats effort
May 12 02:46:18 <oc80z> not quite
May 12 02:46:23 <halfhalo> make preware show the readme's if their there and its a win win
May 12 02:46:36 <oc80z> preware does show changelog
May 12 02:47:02 <oc80z> the wiki entry for the sbkernel shows scaling commands for event.d
May 12 02:47:04 <sbromwich> READMEs won't really fit in the changelog
May 12 02:47:27 <oc80z> In addition, I am using my naive perl scheduler at http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl to manage the CPU frequency.
May 12 02:47:31 <sbromwich> mmm
May 12 02:47:38 <oc80z> put that at the top
May 12 02:48:22 <zsoc> PrimerFender: silly question, did you attempt to do a /search/ based on those errors?
May 12 02:48:33 <zsoc> PrimerFender: if it's telling you your CFLAGS are set wrong, then they probably are.
May 12 02:49:42 <halfhalo> CFLAGS sounds dirty...
May 12 02:49:44 <oc80z> Nice sbromwich
May 12 02:49:48 <zsoc> Our apps should have support scenes that are just webViews to the wiki page for it
May 12 02:49:50 <zsoc> that would be nice
May 12 02:49:54 <sbromwich> thanks
May 12 02:51:31 <halfhalo> zsoc: get on that!
May 12 02:52:13 <oc80z> Hey
May 12 02:52:26 <oc80z> how about that proximity on-phone patch
May 12 02:52:31 <halfhalo> ?
May 12 02:54:45 <oc80z> Hows the donations coming along?
May 12 02:57:01 <oc80z> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals:Site_support
May 12 02:58:12 <oc80z> Get your studying done students, im off!
May 12 02:59:07 <PrimerFender> yeah, CFLAGS is dirty...trying use -DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE
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