**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 12 02:59:56 2010
May 12 03:05:50 <halfhalo> EVERYTHING is made better with curly wires
May 12 03:06:38 * sbromwich offers up wireless keyboards as a counter example
May 12 03:07:09 <ka6sox> wireless mice
May 12 03:08:03 <halfhalo> two things made better by curly wires
May 12 03:09:45 <halfhalo> hmmm
May 12 03:09:52 <halfhalo> where did my red wire go....
May 12 03:18:09 <halfhalo> found it!
May 12 03:31:08 <hckyplayer024> hey unixpsycho after about 3 hours of moderate use im getting 6.61 Drain per Hour
May 12 03:31:24 <hckyplayer024> running the new screenstate kernel
May 12 03:42:05 <kmeyer> hckyplayer024: what do ya have keeping track of drain? curious
May 12 03:42:32 <hckyplayer024> just battery monitor
May 12 03:42:43 <hckyplayer024> is there a better alternative im not aware of?
May 12 03:43:01 <kmeyer> nah, I'm a newbie
May 12 03:43:05 <kmeyer> just curious
May 12 03:44:29 <hckyplayer024> just an app you can get from preware
May 12 03:44:45 <kmeyer> getting it now :)
May 12 03:50:48 <kmeyer> hckyplayer024: huh, I don't see that in preware
May 12 03:54:04 <hckyplayer024> try this http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/202430-batterymonitor.html
May 12 04:02:39 <PrimerFender> argh I'm stuck again
May 12 04:07:02 <kmeyer> heh, installed the ipk manually but I guess the webos interface doesn't reload automatically, so I'm rebooting and hoping that makes it show up
May 12 04:10:44 <kmeyer> cool, it's working :P
May 12 04:11:49 <PrimerFender> yay
May 12 04:41:55 <pablob> so I am running the palm-emulator and I compiled the sdldoom application as an example
May 12 04:42:11 <pablob> however when I login with novaterm and try to run it I get this
May 12 04:42:39 <pablob> # ./doom
May 12 04:42:40 <pablob> ./doom: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
May 12 04:42:53 <pablob> for whatever reason it seems it thinks it's a shell script
May 12 04:42:59 <rwhitby> arm executables don't run on the i686 emulator
May 12 04:43:33 <pablob> oh so it's webos running on x86...
May 12 04:43:46 <pablob> # uname -a
May 12 04:43:47 <pablob> Linux qemux86 2.6.26 #1 SMP Tue Feb 23 13:33:51 PST 2010 i686 unknown
May 12 04:43:54 <pablob> makes sense then
May 12 04:52:28 <PrimerFender> prefork.c!
May 12 05:30:59 <PrimerFender> This is the asshole that's been ruining my life for the last day.
May 12 05:31:01 <PrimerFender> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@httpd.apache.org/msg38842.html
May 12 06:27:40 <swisstomcat> morning
May 12 06:35:13 <PrimerFender> again?
May 12 06:44:57 <PrimerFender> OMG it's working...stupid space
May 12 07:22:10 <PrimerFender> rwhittby: it works, apache+webdav on webos =D
May 12 07:22:35 <rwhitby> ok, what patches are required to what's currently in optware
May 12 07:23:03 <PrimerFender> no clue
May 12 07:23:04 <PrimerFender> lol
May 12 07:23:15 <PrimerFender> i litterlally just finished copying a music album over
May 12 07:23:24 <PrimerFender> to the pre
May 12 07:24:46 <PrimerFender> i used the WIDK and compiled apache from source, then copied over the /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/apache2 folder it created to /usr/local/apache2 on pre and that was all i needed
May 12 07:25:32 <PrimerFender> there's about 10MB of manual files I can strip out, and there are other modules and things I want to try disabling if I don't need them to get everything as small as possible
May 12 07:25:43 <PrimerFender> then....I can start working on a package
May 12 07:26:14 <rwhitby> can you remind me again why the optware apache didn't work?
May 12 07:26:30 <PrimerFender> the optware...
May 12 07:26:38 <PrimerFender> do you mean the lighttpd in Preware?
May 12 07:26:49 <rwhitby> no, I mean the apache in optware
May 12 07:27:01 <PrimerFender> there's an apache in optware?
May 12 07:27:03 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/
May 12 07:27:09 <rwhitby> there's 1600+ packages in optware
May 12 07:27:14 <PrimerFender> oh right...
May 12 07:27:16 <PrimerFender> about that...
May 12 07:27:34 <rwhitby> repackaging one of those for Preware is a half-hour job
May 12 07:27:59 <PrimerFender> yeah...but then I wouldn't have been pleased with myself for having done it the hard way...
May 12 07:28:10 <PrimerFender> can I extract the ipk and take a look?
May 12 07:28:36 <rwhitby> sure
May 12 07:28:43 <rwhitby> and you can see how it's build in the optware svn
May 12 07:28:57 <rwhitby> http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/make
May 12 07:30:09 <PrimerFender> That's right! I remember now, it doesn't have webdav modules
May 12 07:30:39 <PrimerFender> default apache compile from source requires explicit --enable-dav --enable-dav-fs --enable-dav-lock
May 12 07:31:02 <PrimerFender> and I used digest authentication, so that is another --enable-auth-digest
May 12 07:31:09 <rwhitby> ok, so we'd just add that to the pre build of apache in optware
May 12 07:31:32 <PrimerFender> but here's what i spent all day on...
May 12 07:32:08 <rwhitby> and any other source code changes you needed to do we can add as a patch in the optware build
May 12 07:32:28 <PrimerFender> in order for webdav to have read AND write access to files in /media/internal, or anywhere for that matter, it  needs root access, yeah? but apache does not run as a root user. If you specific in the config what to run it as, it tells you it's not a good idea and doesn't start
May 12 07:33:06 <PrimerFender> so you have to recompile with CFLAGS=-D BIG_SECURITY_HOLE, which is some preprocessor macro definition so that the when it gets compiled it skips over some root checking code I guess
May 12 07:34:03 <PrimerFender> problem is, error message said -DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE and i went in circles with google trying to find more about it until I realize there is supposed to be a space in between -D and BIG_SECURITY_HOLE
May 12 07:34:05 <PrimerFender> LOL!
May 12 07:34:07 <rwhitby> ok, so it needs to be a separate build
May 12 07:34:34 <PrimerFender> so, like you said, probably a seperate build, at least for my purposes
May 12 07:34:38 <PrimerFender> read-only works fine
May 12 07:34:44 <PrimerFender> and so does lighttpd for that matter
May 12 07:35:53 <rwhitby> so since it needs to be separate anyway, building the WIDK is fine too
May 12 07:36:35 * rwhitby bbl
May 12 07:36:40 <PrimerFender> yeah, and I think it would be good experience for me to make "the whole package" like with an ipkg and maybe an app to change the password and turn it on or off
May 12 07:36:52 <PrimerFender> so I'll work on that too...
May 12 07:37:01 <PrimerFender> but anyhow, thanks for your help
May 12 07:37:07 <PrimerFender> and goodnight
May 12 07:38:33 <jhojho_> http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/11/exclusive-androidpolice-coms-nexus-one-is-running-android-2-2-froyo-how-fast-is-it-compared-to-2-1-oh-only-about-450-faster/
May 12 07:38:33 <swisstomcat> night
May 12 08:22:58 <MrDobolina> anyone alive in here? I have an issue/question. :)
May 12 08:24:48 <MrDobolina> Allrighty. Well I'll try again during the day then. *wave*
May 12 08:28:58 <KEYofR> and when you do, you might want to wait a few more seconds for someone to answer
May 12 08:29:39 <swisstomcat> yup
May 12 08:33:11 <ka6sox> 3 minutes...thats not the record but close.
May 12 08:36:44 <KEYofR> 3 minutes might seem like a long time if your sitting there panting and waiting at full devoted attention. but, really, you never go to the bathroom? you never get up to get a coffee? you never have to answer the phone or an email? heh.
May 12 08:39:05 <KEYofR> (not you anyone here obviously, figurative you, and yeah I typo'd you're, but it was really a typo not a word-o)
May 12 08:42:06 <KEYofR> I don't suppose anyone else has had their touch screen start going unresponsive more & more and then found a way to fix it other than by getting a new phone?
May 12 08:43:28 <swisstomcat> actually, i have that problem
May 12 08:43:45 <swisstomcat> the lower part of the touchscreen doesn't respond when the phone is plugged in
May 12 08:43:47 <KEYofR> If I squeaze/twist/stress/bang mine in various ways I can get it working again briefly, but I haven't figured out any pattern yet of where exactly to press or in what way to stress
May 12 08:44:03 <swisstomcat> but it's working as soon as i unplug
May 12 08:44:25 <KEYofR> it acts like a bad connector or bad ribbon cable that barely connects once in a while by luck
May 12 08:44:57 <KEYofR> hm bizarre
May 12 08:51:41 <swisstomcat> i might have to get a new phone
May 12 09:55:53 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 12 11:41:07 * rwhitby bbt
May 12 13:03:45 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 12 13:07:22 <nt4cats> 'lo swissy.  I spent 10 minutes clicking around the beta and didn't see other polish issues worthy of commenting on.  The only things I came up with were: it might be 'nice to have' if the app remembered the 'level' (random, pictures, prints, etc.) you selected last time and offered that as the default ...
May 12 13:08:23 <swisstomcat> meow
May 12 13:08:28 <nt4cats> ... the other nitpick is you may want to attribute where you borrowed your "about" information for the animals (I assume it was wikipedia -- but I could be wrong, maybe you wrote those yourself).  I'm not saying this is legally required, but it may be nice.
May 12 13:08:47 <swisstomcat> i already implemented the "remember last level" :)
May 12 13:09:10 <swisstomcat> and you're correct, i have to mention wikipedia
May 12 13:09:51 <swisstomcat> all the links on that page point  to wikipedia
May 12 13:09:58 <cannonflash2> sorry i have to know where to get the NAVCOM
May 12 13:10:24 <swisstomcat> thanks for testing, nt4cats
May 12 13:15:10 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: I clicked the links and saw they went to Wikipedia, but a little "Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia about the tasty animals found in this game ..." at the top will make it clear you're not trying to fool anyone.
May 12 13:15:34 <swisstomcat> yes, that seems fair
May 12 13:16:14 <Major> Morning all
May 12 13:16:18 <swisstomcat> morning
May 12 13:17:42 <Major> I am wondering if anyone knows of another way to get my files that are on the /media/internal off of the phone besides USB mode. For some reason my PC (work) will not install the drivers properly to let me access it in USB mode.
May 12 13:18:06 <VincentLaw> have you tried a different usb port
May 12 13:18:10 <VincentLaw> and yes it's possible, using SSH
May 12 13:19:19 <Major> Yes I have tried many different USB ports... SSH would require a wifi connection correct
May 12 13:20:07 <Major> also the PC won't see or charge the phone unless it's in Dev mode
May 12 13:21:15 <RamsesFSFE> FYI: The de DNS zone has been dead since 13:30 German time. de domains can't be resolved at the moment
May 12 13:23:14 <swisstomcat> ramsesFSFE: i just read that it's working again (on heise)
May 12 13:23:36 <VincentLaw> Major: you don't /need/ wifi for SSH
May 12 13:23:40 <VincentLaw> but it makes it a lot easier/faster
May 12 13:24:20 <Major> VincentLaw: If it was easier it wouldn't be my my type of day today
May 12 13:24:48 <RamsesFSFE> swisstomcat: only partially
May 12 13:29:41 * swisstomcat tries nexave.de
May 12 13:31:16 <swisstomcat> that works
May 12 13:32:02 <cba123> Is asking for help installing Mobile Hotspot on a Sprint Pre via webosQI against the rules here?  Whenever I try to install tetherd_0.0.3 it says it failed and I have to do "ipkg update" I can't find where to do that, any ideas?
May 12 13:34:54 <nt4cats> cba123: I have not installed Mobile Hotspot on a Sprint Pre before, but I can tell you what an "ipkg update" is
May 12 13:35:05 <cba123> nt4cats, That works
May 12 13:35:26 <nt4cats> cba123: I think wOQI has a 'command line' option in its menus
May 12 13:35:31 <nt4cats> go in there and type (no quotes)
May 12 13:35:46 <nt4cats> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps/ update
May 12 13:35:52 <nt4cats> (look I forgot the quotes)
May 12 13:36:45 <en0x> why don't u download tetherd from preware.org nad use Webos quick install to install it
May 12 13:36:52 <en0x> then install patched hotspot app
May 12 13:37:20 <nt4cats> cba123: is sounds like en0x knows something about this.
May 12 13:37:31 <en0x> coz i use it ;)
May 12 13:38:02 <cba123> en0x, I did download it from there, and when I try to install it, it says I need to do ipkg update
May 12 13:38:07 <nt4cats> cba123: I can't believe I'm saying this but ... (takes a deep breath) ... you probably should listen to en0x
May 12 13:38:20 * nt4cats feels a little bit dirty
May 12 13:38:26 <en0x> cba123: got pre?
May 12 13:38:33 <cba123> Yes
May 12 13:38:37 * zsoc carefully inscribes the chatlog onto a permanent stone
May 12 13:38:50 <en0x> if yes then you need to download this: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/us.ryanhope.freetetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk and in webos quick install add it and install... no need for ipkg update
May 12 13:39:21 <cba123> en0x, I have that file, and it doesn't install.  QuickInstall says "ipkg update"
May 12 13:39:40 <en0x> hmm weird it should not say that
May 12 13:39:42 <en0x> got preware?
May 12 13:39:47 <cba123> Yes
May 12 13:40:46 <en0x> then why don't u install it from preware?... got to list everything and type freetether
May 12 13:41:00 <en0x> there should be freetetherd on your list tap it and install it
May 12 13:41:11 <cba123> en0x, I didn't see it in there, one second, my phone is restarting
May 12 13:41:45 <en0x> or maybe you do not have the webos-internals feed added to preware but that's impossible because they add it by default
May 12 13:42:16 * en0x is removing all patches from pre
May 12 13:46:09 <cba123> freetether is already installed.  Just not the freetetherd
May 12 13:49:04 <en0x> yes u need freetetherd
May 12 13:49:56 <en0x> but anyway if u installed freetether it should pull freetetherd too as dependency
May 12 13:50:17 <cba123> It was already installed, and freetetherd is still missing.  I'm trying removing and reinstalling.
May 12 13:51:18 <en0x> did u found freetetherd in preware?
May 12 13:52:40 <cba123> en0x, Yes, that is how I'm reinstalling it.  It's on "downloading/installing" but it's taking a while
May 12 13:53:51 <en0x> kk
May 12 13:55:18 <cba123> Should it be taking this long?
May 12 13:55:53 <en0x> nope
May 12 13:58:01 <cba123> One second, trying to update the feeds
May 12 14:10:07 <cba123> I think I found the problem.  When I do "update" it gives me "ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-9CSVtq http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/Packages.gz'"
May 12 14:11:00 <swisstomcat> connection problem?
May 12 14:11:06 <en0x> looks like it
May 12 14:11:20 <en0x> works fine for me tho
May 12 14:11:24 <cba123> I'm on my wifi, and it's working fine as far as I can tell
May 12 14:11:49 <en0x> the url is correct too
May 12 14:12:30 <cba123> I just ran that line on this computer, and it downloads fine.
May 12 14:13:00 <en0x> try over evo
May 12 14:13:04 <en0x> evdo*
May 12 14:13:14 <cba123> That's what I was doing originally
May 12 14:13:27 <cba123> Same error
May 12 14:13:42 <nt4cats> cba123: if you have a half-baked tethering solution your IP stack could be unhappy
May 12 14:14:10 <cba123> nt4cats, How would I fix said IP stack?
May 12 14:14:29 <nt4cats> cba123: check your routes, make sure IP forwarding is off, etc.
May 12 14:14:54 <en0x> so it only fails on webos-patches?
May 12 14:15:37 <cba123> Actually no, it says that with what seems to be all
May 12 14:17:27 <cba123> I don't see where IP forwarding is
May 12 14:19:07 <cba123> I think I know what I did.  I installed the freetether, and it did say something about patching.  I have ip forwarding disabled though, same with NAT
May 12 14:20:30 <nt4cats> do you have masquerade rules running in iptables?
May 12 14:20:53 <nt4cats> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should tell you if forwarding is switched on
May 12 14:21:36 <cba123> I'm rebooting, I think I might have solved it somewhat, one second
May 12 14:26:15 <cba123> I think I borked my phone.  I haven't been able to get the terminal working for a while, and it isn't working now.  I can't find the "command line" option in webosQI
May 12 14:30:56 <swisstomcat> webosqi 3.12?
May 12 14:31:39 <cba123> Actually no, 2.6, one second though
May 12 14:32:15 <cba123> I was able to update the feeds, I'm trying to install freeTether through preware again
May 12 14:35:14 <cba123> Where would I get 3.12?
May 12 14:39:54 <cba123> I have to go now, but thanks for the help.  I should be back later.
May 12 14:40:11 <cba123> I'll leave my computer on though, if you have any other advice.
May 12 14:57:21 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 12 15:05:11 <nt4cats> cba123: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-12-a.html
May 12 15:05:42 <nt4cats> infobot: woqi is http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-12-a.html
May 12 15:05:43 <infobot> okay, nt4cats
May 12 15:09:19 <ka6sox> isn't that wosqi?
May 12 15:09:40 * ka6sox confused.
May 12 15:11:50 <Yoppo> would anybody have any idea why I get syntax error ")" unexpected for lsdiff/patch when installing patches in emulator? I even watched Preware to install the lsdiff/patch from the i686 feed as it should.
May 12 15:31:59 <Rubin> wish palm would put hooks to things like image upload so you could add other services :/
May 12 15:32:26 <Rubin> i would write something to send images to mentalo's gallery
May 12 15:38:49 <bpadalino|work> Rubin: meet chuqui .. you may want to let him know of your request
May 12 15:39:02 <Rubin> >> wish palm would put hooks to things like image upload so you could add other services :/
May 12 15:39:33 <chuqui> Rubin -- yeah, I agree. I think you'll see it. Just a matter of when and what priority.
May 12 15:39:50 <Rubin> yeah
May 12 15:39:59 <Rubin> guess i can make a seperate app that does it
May 12 15:40:22 <Rubin> been sending my photos to facebook because its easy, but they suck, so i want to stop
May 12 15:41:12 <chuqui> facebook's not popular right now... (grin)
May 12 15:42:20 <Rubin> i host all my photos on gallery (mentalo) anyway, and it has a remote upload system.. so it would be _so_ easy ;)
May 12 15:44:09 <chuqui> heh. yeah.
May 12 15:44:15 <chuqui> I use flickr and smugmug myself.
May 12 15:45:06 <Rubin> yeah flickr would be nice too
May 12 15:45:49 <Rubin> wonder why photobucket got chosen
May 12 15:46:17 <chuqui> I dunno.
May 12 15:51:25 <haigreen> I am having an issue with use the quickinstall.. it keeps saying my device is not detected. Can anyone help with this?
May 12 15:56:45 <en0x> haigreen: linux/windows/osx?
May 12 16:00:17 <haigreen> en0x I use windows
May 12 16:00:53 <en0x> well then idk
May 12 16:00:58 <en0x> did u install the driver?
May 12 16:01:04 <en0x> is your device in dev mode?
May 12 16:02:35 <phil_bw> haigreen, when I have issues with wosqi I generally select to "reinstall novacomd" and that usually helps, if it doesn't I'll usually reset the novacomd service manually and that'll do it if reinstalling it doesnt
May 12 16:07:00 <haigreen> Yes its in dev mode. Install the driver? I followed the steps and installed webdoctor and the quickinstall app
May 12 16:10:59 <haigreen> phil_bw I am going to try that...
May 12 16:32:28 <Darkmagister> hi ... i have a question ... about the webos and palm pre, can i export or save somewhere the wifi key stored on my palm pre ???
May 12 16:39:15 <sbromwich> Darkmagister: what do you mean by "wifi key"?
May 12 16:39:28 <Darkmagister> the wpa or wep password
May 12 16:40:15 <sbromwich> I think it's in the cryptfs somewhere as a sqlite db, BICBW
May 12 16:40:59 <haigreen> I am having an issue with use the quickinstall.. it keeps saying my device is not detected. Can anyone help with this?
May 12 16:40:59 <Darkmagister> mmm
May 12 16:42:41 <Solix> Haigreen I had that, did reinstall, checked drivers, and rebooted, .. Fixed it for me
May 12 16:43:18 <haigreen> Solix what did you reinstall and how did u check the drivers?
May 12 16:44:28 <Solix> Qinstall.. And I believe there's an option under the pull down.. Somewhere
May 12 16:45:02 <Solix> You are connecting ur phone in Just Charge mode right?
May 12 16:47:01 <Solix> I also rebooted my is, both linux and M$, at one point
May 12 16:47:08 <Solix> Et, OS
May 12 16:48:12 <haigreen> Yes it is in charge mode. I am trying to uninstall now... but i am not finding that. solix
May 12 16:50:08 <Love> i was trying to get the touchscreen keyboard on my palm pre. would anyone help me do this.
May 12 16:50:10 <Love> ?
May 12 16:50:37 <HattCzech_work> Love: do you have preware installed?
May 12 16:51:07 <Love> no, i do not know how to do that. right now i have the phone hooked up to the laptop through usb cord
May 12 16:51:12 <HattCzech_work> would anyone be able to help me create a list widget with another list widget inside the first list's item?
May 12 16:51:31 <HattCzech_work> check out www.preware.org for instructions
May 12 16:51:48 <Solix> Hgreen, try reinstalling Novacom, via the qinstall, pulldown menu, file-options.
May 12 16:51:51 <HattCzech_work> once you have preware installed, there is a virtual keyboard that's available
May 12 16:52:18 <Love> what does it mean to put the phone in "developer mode"
May 12 16:52:21 <Love> lol sorry
May 12 16:52:38 <Love> i wish i was more computer savy
May 12 16:52:44 <HattCzech_work> it allows access to install apps outside of the app catalog
May 12 16:52:49 <Solix> Upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
May 12 16:52:54 <Solix> ;)
May 12 16:53:28 <HattCzech_work> oh, i'm sorry, i thought it told you HOW to put it into developer mode
May 12 16:53:41 <haigreen> Solix I am not having any luck. It is still ot detecting my phone. I am researching online.
May 12 16:53:42 <Love> no lol
May 12 16:53:53 <Love> ok
May 12 16:53:58 <Solix> Love type that into your pre exactly, nd you will see a new button
May 12 16:54:13 <HattCzech_work> type "webos20090606" when you don't have anything active (to perform a search)
May 12 16:54:36 <nt4cats> HattCzech_work is right -- but don't type the quotes
May 12 16:54:54 <HattCzech_work> Love: Solix or my option will both work
May 12 16:55:09 <Solix> I tried that, webos20090606, for sum reason it wouldn't work, but the upup did.
May 12 16:55:22 <Solix> Yeah, either is fine :)
May 12 16:55:28 <Love> okay im in developer mode lol, now what lol
May 12 16:55:51 <HattCzech_work> they should both work, but either way, once you have developer mode turned on, and you reboot your phone, then you can install apps
May 12 16:56:13 <Solix> Uberkernal :) ;)
May 12 16:56:32 <HattCzech_work> do they not have a preware installer anymore on preware.org ?
May 12 16:56:40 <HattCzech_work> is the only way through WOSQI?
May 12 16:56:58 <Love> it says devloper mode is off
May 12 16:57:02 <Love> should i switch on?
May 12 16:57:09 <HattCzech_work> Love: turn it on, and it'll ask you to reboot
May 12 16:57:09 <Solix> Yes
May 12 16:57:14 <Solix> Then reboot
May 12 16:57:15 <Love> then it asks to restart if i do that
May 12 16:57:16 <Love> ok
May 12 16:57:41 <Love> reboothing now
May 12 16:57:52 <Solix> See you back in 1 hour.. ;)
May 12 16:58:28 <HattCzech_work> Love: the instructions can be found at install.preware.org
May 12 16:58:39 <Love> ok thanks
May 12 16:58:43 <HattCzech_work> (for installing WOSQI and getting preware on your phone)
May 12 16:59:06 <Solix> Yes prewareinsller-0.9.29 I think
May 12 16:59:17 <Solix> Jar
May 12 16:59:20 <HattCzech_work> would anyone be able to help me create a list widget with another list widget inside the first list's item?
May 12 16:59:41 <Solix> Not I, sorry :)
May 12 17:00:09 <HattCzech_work> heheh, hopefully someone knows
May 12 17:00:48 <Solix> Yeah.. Lmk know when, and I'll beta test it for ya.. ;)
May 12 17:01:19 <HattCzech_work> will do
May 12 17:01:34 <Solix> I got the yellow splotches, sometimes, when hot, is it worth returning phone for?
May 12 17:01:47 <HattCzech_work> need to go grab lunch, so i'll check back in a bit
May 12 17:01:48 <Solix> Works fine.. Etc tho :)
May 12 17:01:53 <Solix> Ok,
May 12 17:02:20 <HattCzech_work> i'd like to return mine cuz i've got some scratches, but i don't want to drop $100 for the insurance
May 12 17:02:43 <Solix> Get eye glass repair kit
May 12 17:02:58 <Solix> Liquid, works Real well for scratches
May 12 17:03:24 <Solix> I had some small dings chips inmine... Had
May 12 17:04:30 <Solix> Mine actually seems to run cooler with uber an govnah @ 800mhz, prolly due to the screenstate..
May 12 17:05:05 <Solix> And not leaving hotspot on 24 7  hehehe
May 12 17:07:25 <Solix> Hgreen, keep tryin, wish I knew the sure thing, but its simple, rebooting or reinstalling, novacom I think, by best might be gettin prewareinstaller 0.9.29 jar to try as well.. It'll recognise it eventually. :) goodluck.
May 12 17:09:11 <Solix> Precentral.net \\homebrew is where I started.. Jfyi
May 12 17:10:06 <hiya> anyone here have link to older webosdoctor for palm pre bell
May 12 17:10:09 <hiya> 1.3.5.1
May 12 17:10:42 <Love> i really need step by step help installing this preware...i have it in developer mode but it says to run webOs quick install. where is that
May 12 17:12:45 <Solix> I'd like to minimise pre cards to a list or tray.. Neone know of a patch to do that. Keeping cards loaded OFF screen?  Thanks.
May 12 17:13:18 <Solix> Love you have to download it from precentral.net I think onto ur
May 12 17:13:28 <Solix> Pc or linux or mac
May 12 17:13:40 <Love> ok
May 12 17:15:08 <Solix> It takes a bit of doing, but its not to hard, getting the pre recognised,  has been only thing, tht just takes some trial imo. :u)
May 12 17:15:29 <Solix> bbl...
May 12 17:17:16 <Solix> Another file: prewareinstaller
May 12 17:26:27 <Lumiere> Love: get.preware.org
May 12 17:28:46 <Love> okay i downloaded it to my pc, now how do i get it to my phone?
May 12 17:28:57 <Lumiere> the exe you downloaded
May 12 17:29:10 <Lumiere> just run it once you plug your phone in and set it to just charge
May 12 17:30:32 <Love> how do i run it
May 12 17:31:41 <Love> i tried to copy and past it to my attachment file while hooked up to pc...but i dont know where it is in phone now lol
May 12 17:31:59 <Lumiere> the get.preware.org exe goes on your computer
May 12 17:32:00 <Love> its on just charge
May 12 17:32:20 <Lumiere> oh
May 12 17:33:26 <Love> i downloaded preware onto the pc, i have it on my download thing....im sorry im terrible at this
May 12 17:33:35 <Lumiere> gah, you'll need to download webos quick install
May 12 17:33:53 <Lumiere> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware has the instructions
May 12 17:34:17 <Love> i down loaded that i think
May 12 17:34:25 <Love> this is what i dont know how to get to my phone
May 12 17:34:35 <Lumiere> you don't
May 12 17:34:52 <Lumiere> if you have wosqi and the doctor
May 12 17:34:57 <Love> i copied and pasted it, but i dont know if that worked or not
May 12 17:35:26 <Love> wish this wasnt so friggen hard
May 12 17:35:34 <Lumiere> once you have downloaded both wosqi and the webos doctor
May 12 17:35:49 <Lumiere> all you need to do is run wosqi
May 12 17:35:55 <Lumiere> on your computer
May 12 17:35:56 <Love> lol so i gotta download like three differant things...
May 12 17:36:00 <Lumiere> 2
May 12 17:36:10 <Lumiere> wosqi and webos doctor
May 12 17:36:16 <Love> i dont know how to run anything
May 12 17:36:31 <Lumiere> double.click.it.
May 12 17:36:40 <Love> it tells me to go here to ask for help...keep re directing me to u guys,i dont knwo who else to ask
May 12 17:36:50 <Lumiere> it what
May 12 17:37:15 <Love> when im on preware site
May 12 17:37:24 <Lumiere> look at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware
May 12 17:37:34 <Love> says if u need help to install..blah blah..i click it, and it took me here
May 12 17:49:39 <hiya> anyone here have link to older webosdoctor for palm pre bell
May 12 17:49:44 <hiya> 1.3.5.1 or older
May 12 17:51:29 <bpadalino|work> they're not distributed by palm anymore .. so i don't think anyone has anything, sorry
May 12 17:51:32 <bpadalino|work> :(
May 12 17:56:22 <Lumiere> uh, Palm doesn't allow redistribution
May 12 17:56:40 <Lumiere> and doesn't maintain anything but the latest doctors
May 12 17:56:45 <Lumiere> on their akamai site
May 12 17:56:54 <bpadalino|work> well, that is relatively new ..
May 12 17:57:03 <bpadalino|work> you used to be able to get the other doctors based on their links
May 12 17:57:11 <bpadalino|work> but i think with the 1.4 rollout - they removed their old ones
May 12 18:02:08 <hiya> yes..they are all gone but the latest
May 12 18:02:13 <hiya> :(
May 12 18:04:20 <jcrawford> so whats good now that HP owns palm lol
May 12 18:04:44 <PrimerFender> Is there no developer doctors available?
May 12 18:10:45 <swisstomcat> evening
May 12 18:17:06 <chuqui> hp doesn't own palm yet. that won't happen until probably july
May 12 18:19:38 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui
May 12 18:20:39 <chuqui> hey!
May 12 18:23:01 <bpadalino|work> it's good to know life at palm hasn't slowed down!
May 12 18:24:25 <en0x> oh finally i have fixed nrpe on solaris
May 12 18:24:31 <en0x> solaris is such a b...
May 12 18:25:00 <hiya> 1.2 doctor wiped the entire pre
May 12 18:25:05 <swisstomcat> you guys are probably spending quite some time at hp these days
May 12 18:25:05 <hiya> so i wanted to find that one
May 12 18:27:48 <hiya> its no where to be found
May 12 18:28:11 <jcrawford> chuqui, yes but it will happen and i do have to wonder if it will be for the better or for the worse
May 12 18:28:36 <chuqui> definitely for the better, IMHO
May 12 18:29:13 <swisstomcat> palm joining hp you mean?
May 12 18:30:01 * phil_bw2 can't wait to see a PhotoSmartwith WebOS on it
May 12 18:30:33 <swisstomcat> i'm looking forward to a tablet with webos
May 12 18:30:38 <en0x> i don't use hp's printers
May 12 18:30:46 <en0x> imho they suck... ibm++
May 12 18:30:54 <en0x> swisstomcat: me too :)
May 12 18:31:01 <en0x> with usb support +hdmi etc
May 12 18:31:01 <en0x> ;]
May 12 18:33:36 <swisstomcat> i'm positive about the hp/palm merger
May 12 18:42:16 <LOVE> IM BACK NEED HELP PUTTING PREWARE ON MY PALM PRE
May 12 18:42:49 <LOVE> I HAVE THE PHONE ATTACED TO PC, DO I CHOOSE USB, MEDIA SYNC OR JUST CHARGE?
May 12 18:42:55 <en0x> turn off ur caps lock
May 12 18:43:01 <en0x> if u don't do it i won't help u
May 12 18:43:09 <LOVE> sorry i can see very well
May 12 18:43:13 <LOVE> cant
May 12 18:43:30 <en0x> anyway writing on irc with CAPS is rude
May 12 18:44:01 <LOVE> okay..well im next to blind..sorry for my rudness
May 12 18:44:14 <en0x> kk
May 12 18:44:23 <swisstomcat> you'd choose just charge
May 12 18:44:45 <en0x> but first he needs to put the phone in dev mode don't he? :>
May 12 18:44:48 <en0x> swisstomcat: ^
May 12 18:44:54 <swisstomcat> true
May 12 18:45:07 <swisstomcat> if it's not already in dev mode
May 12 18:45:18 <LOVE> im in dev. mode
May 12 18:45:19 <en0x> tru.dat
May 12 18:46:31 <LOVE> now what do i do
May 12 18:46:42 <en0x> now u install preware using quickinstall
May 12 18:46:42 <en0x> :D
May 12 18:47:33 <LOVE> i have webos quick install up, how do i get the preware in the phone, when i press the blue button it says my device isnt attached, when clearly it is...
May 12 18:47:44 <en0x> windows?
May 12 18:48:21 <LOVE> yes
May 12 18:48:38 <en0x> try to reinstall novacomd driver
May 12 18:49:13 <LOVE> ok...lol, have no idea where to get that
May 12 18:49:59 <en0x> there should be an option in webos quick install
May 12 18:50:02 <en0x> to reinstall driver
May 12 18:50:10 <LOVE> let me look
May 12 18:51:23 <LOVE> it does not ask me to re install anything
May 12 18:51:40 <LOVE> add delete button, upload, and install buttons
May 12 18:51:48 <LOVE> org.webosinternals.preware_1.0.0_arm.ipk
May 12 18:51:50 <LOVE> is that anything
May 12 18:53:20 <en0x> it's in the preferences i believe
May 12 18:54:12 <LOVE> ive been tryin to install this on my phone since 1150am
May 12 18:54:46 <LOVE> its prolly a quick thing for someone who knows this stuff, but..i feel so stupid for not knowing
May 12 18:55:44 <LOVE> cant anyone walk me through this step by step
May 12 18:56:22 <swisstomcat> love: it's under file - options
May 12 18:56:29 <swisstomcat> attempt novacomd reinstallation
May 12 18:58:04 <KEYofR> it's a button in webos quick install. (i'm not looking at that right now so I don't remember exactly where)
May 12 18:58:41 <KEYofR> blah that wasn'tlag, that was not-scrolled-all-the-way-down heh
May 12 18:59:22 <LOVE> okay i got that done, and hit the download blue button, what do i choose on that list
May 12 18:59:41 <LOVE> precentral app galary
May 12 19:00:52 <swisstomcat> Choose WebOS Internals Feed (Pre) or WebOS Internals Feed (Pixi)  from the dropdown list at the top.
May 12 19:02:00 <KEYofR> Isn't there directions already written down on preware wiki? Wouldn't you say that it's NOT exactly a good idea to "help" someone who couldn't follow those directions? Preware is really not meant for the regular user.
May 12 19:03:10 <KEYofR> finding the most current and correct directions out of all the obsolete stuff on the wiki, that would be good though
May 12 19:03:13 <LOVE> okay i found the drop list
May 12 19:03:45 <LOVE> what do i choose now
May 12 19:03:47 <swisstomcat> Select Preware from the list.
May 12 19:04:42 <LOVE> i hit download..correct?
May 12 19:04:47 <LOVE> then...install?
May 12 19:04:58 <swisstomcat> yes
May 12 19:07:23 <LOVE> dude your a life saver...i just needed someone to help me...to those of you who just rather not help someone in need like KEY..fuk off..douche bag...i can fukin read...im not a computer hack..but i deserve to be able to have a fukin keyboad on my phone so fuk off.....thanks again swisstomkat...very sweet of you to help, first one since 12pm to do so...
May 12 19:08:01 <en0x> lol wtf?
May 12 19:09:30 <swisstomcat> hrmmm
May 12 19:09:49 <swisstomcat> was it a bad idea to help?
May 12 19:13:24 <phil_bw> eh I'm as tech savvy as a lot of you, a developer myself, and honestly I've smacked my head against the desk trying to install Preware on a few occasions so I see no problem with trying to help
May 12 19:13:25 <KEYofR> hahaha of course im a douchbag :) if they need that much detailed help just to turn the thing on, then whos going to deal with it the first time some patch doesn't apply right?
May 12 19:13:57 <en0x> KEYofR: i support u
May 12 19:14:22 <swisstomcat> i've tried to install preware when the dev mode was off  .. smacked my head a few times there
May 12 19:14:42 <en0x> turning the dev mode with konami code was a bitch
May 12 19:14:43 <swisstomcat> i see your point, keyofr
May 12 19:14:48 <KEYofR> Phil theres a difference between being utterly lost to begin with and getting some distance and needing a clue from above to get past some non-obvious point
May 12 19:14:49 <en0x> good they added webos20090606
May 12 19:14:50 <phil_bw> I see your point though about not getting new users in over their head
May 12 19:15:18 <en0x> too many dumb questions... if they could read the wiki they would do it but well
May 12 19:15:22 <en0x> ppl are to lazy to read
May 12 19:15:33 <phil_bw> btw I only caught the tail end of that conversation
May 12 19:15:54 <HattCzech_work> phil_bw: you didn't miss much
May 12 19:16:00 <HattCzech_work> he just kept asking for help
May 12 19:16:06 <en0x> soon they will be to lazy to make a call or write a text
May 12 19:16:16 <en0x> and he was using caps lock ;9
May 12 19:16:24 <KEYofR> What I would usually do, because I DO want to be helpful, is a) ensure that up to date and correct docs exist. write down a garanteed correct recipe on the wiki, and keep it current.
May 12 19:16:39 <HattCzech_work> en0x: you any good with UI stuff? (or anyone else here, for that matter?)
May 12 19:16:46 <en0x> there is no idiot proof recipe
May 12 19:16:49 <KEYofR> b) all quations that are answered by that doc, you merely point at that doc
May 12 19:16:54 <en0x> HattCzech_work: hmm css+html?
May 12 19:17:03 <HattCzech_work> webos widget stuff
May 12 19:17:10 <en0x> i;'m goog with anything that is not java/javascript
May 12 19:17:10 <en0x> :D
May 12 19:17:12 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to put a list inside a list
May 12 19:17:19 <HattCzech_work> hahaha okay
May 12 19:17:23 <phil_bw> I think the problem is that there are multiple instructions floating around of varying ages
May 12 19:17:25 <en0x> s/goog/good/
May 12 19:17:43 <KEYofR> THEN, if someone needs clarification after trying to follow the doc and reaching some understandable problem, you solve the puzzle and improve the doc to handle that situation in the furture
May 12 19:17:52 <phil_bw> someone may see/follow the directions on Precentral and struggle where the next guy may go straight to webosinternals and get it right
May 12 19:18:04 <en0x> KEYofR: u need to record a screencast on how to install preware ;d
May 12 19:20:09 <HattCzech_work> so does anyone know how to setup a list widget inside another list widget?
May 12 19:20:58 <KEYofR> phil yeah thats definitely a problem at the moment. webosinternals hass multiple vintages of directions too. If someone came in saying "I followed this instruction here..." and it failed at this point.... ok thats reasonable you point them at the current directions and help them out of the mess the wrong instructions left.
May 12 19:23:25 <KEYofR> If someone said "I dont know where to even begin" thats reasonable too, you just point at the best directions at the time. but "I don't know where to begin and I want you to actually do it for me and I'll just be monkey hands" no. by being the driver of the monkey hands you just took on all responsibility for their phone from now on.
May 12 19:28:00 * phil_bw sighs
May 12 19:28:08 <phil_bw> bloody windows XP
May 12 19:28:20 <phil_bw> with it's screwed MBR
May 12 19:28:54 <phil_bw> KEYofR, want to guide me through fixing the MBR on a WinXP machine? :P
May 12 19:29:31 <swisstomcat> i've left the wonderful world of windows many months ago
May 12 19:29:40 <KEYofR> heh
May 12 19:29:54 <phil_bw> I have no beef with Win7 personally, gettin tired of dealing with a family member's XP setup though
May 12 19:33:12 <KEYofR> I've never really had a problem with xp mbr, vista yes, the friggn thing breaks if you change other partitions having nothing to do with your c drive. (if you say, erase the factor ntfs recovery partition and use it for linux, this changes the number of the remaining ntfs partition, and the stupid bcd thing breaks and you need to get a 3rd party tool to fix it...
May 12 19:34:50 <KEYofR> it's not a text file, can't edit it from linux or knoppix cd, no, oh and there is easy bcd editor, but it's a .net app which means you can't install it on a bartpe cd.. you're basically screwed
May 12 19:35:33 <KEYofR> ok no that bad any more but that what the situation was at the time a year or so ago.
May 12 19:37:19 <Darkmagister> hi ... i have a question ... about the webos and palm pre, can i export or save somewhere the wifi key stored on my palm pre ??? i have tried to search in /cryptofs but i have not found nothing
May 12 19:37:29 <Darkmagister> someone can help me ?
May 12 19:39:06 <KEYofR> I don't know but it's a good question.
May 12 19:43:21 <en0x> phil_bw: format /mbr
May 12 19:43:21 <en0x> ;D
May 12 19:44:28 <phil_bw> tried it all
May 12 19:44:30 <imran> Hey all
May 12 19:45:19 <en0x> phil_bw: so do format c:\
May 12 19:46:41 <imran> Any of the guys on who helped me get Preware v1 working last night?
May 12 19:46:56 <en0x> i did
May 12 19:47:03 <en0x> and u said that u will paypal me 10 bucks
May 12 19:47:03 <en0x> :(
May 12 19:47:23 <imran> Really? I thought I said I'd paypal 40
May 12 19:47:27 <imran> oh well
May 12 19:47:33 <imran> :p
May 12 19:47:42 <en0x> well i got confused because the guy before u said that he will paypal me 10 buck
May 12 19:47:49 <en0x> well u still got time to paypal me 40
May 12 19:47:49 <en0x> ]
May 12 19:47:51 <en0x> ;]\
May 12 19:47:53 <imran> Oh lol, wasn't me
May 12 19:48:07 <imran> If I said i'd paypal you I'd have done it last night when I said it
May 12 19:48:32 <imran> So I was wondering if there's a way to install a patch that isn't on Preware WITHOUT wosqi?
May 12 19:48:46 <en0x> imran: no way
May 12 19:49:06 <gkatsev> well, you could probably do it manually, though, not recommended
May 12 19:49:20 <Solix> Get the source?
May 12 19:49:41 <imran> Ah, I can't remember the guy's names last night, we spent ages trying to get Preware installed on my QWERTZ Pixi+
May 12 19:49:48 <imran> finally did it through novaterm and bootstrap
May 12 19:50:19 <imran> so Wosqi is not playing nice with my phone and I've got these patches saved on my desktop from precentral forums
May 12 19:50:45 <imran> they're not Preware and I can't use wosqi, so kinda stuck
May 12 19:51:06 <imran> Any ideas?
May 12 19:52:39 <en0x> copy them to phone
May 12 19:52:50 <en0x> then do mount / in rw
May 12 19:53:00 <en0x> and do patch < path/to/the/patch
May 12 19:53:01 <imran> hold on let me plug in pre
May 12 19:53:04 <en0x> in terminal on the phone
May 12 19:53:05 <en0x> ;]
May 12 19:53:09 <imran> *pixi
May 12 19:53:34 <imran> but how can i get terminal working on my phone without wosqi?
May 12 19:54:03 <en0x> oh u don't have preware...
May 12 19:54:04 <en0x> hmm
May 12 19:54:14 <en0x> do u use linux or windows?
May 12 19:54:34 <imran> Windows Vista 32bit
May 12 19:54:41 <en0x> why everyone uses windows
May 12 19:54:41 <en0x> :S
May 12 19:54:47 <en0x> use novaterm
May 12 19:54:51 <sbromwich> because they don't know any better?
May 12 19:54:59 <Solix> Hehe
May 12 19:55:00 <en0x> to connect to your phone and then apply patches
May 12 19:55:14 <en0x> there should be novaterm for windows too
May 12 19:55:24 <en0x> but don't forget to put ur phone in dev mode then
May 12 19:55:28 <imran> Because I like to play half life, use CAD and 3D and Photoshop/PremierPro etc :p
May 12 19:55:31 <en0x> if you will take this road
May 12 19:55:43 <sbromwich> maybe someone should volunteer to set up a vmware image with all the necessary gubbins to make it easier
May 12 19:55:51 <imran> I have installed novaterm, used it yesterday
May 12 19:56:06 <en0x> imran: then use novaterm to install patch
May 12 19:56:11 <en0x> sbromwich: nahh to much work
May 12 19:56:14 <en0x> and i'm too lazy
May 12 19:56:15 <en0x> ;]
May 12 19:56:19 <imran> I'm a cmd noob, what's the command?
May 12 19:56:32 <en0x> type novaterm
May 12 19:56:44 <en0x> but first copy the patches to pixi
May 12 19:57:03 <imran> patch is in root directory. I mean what to i type to push the patch?
May 12 19:57:18 <en0x> patch < /path/to/patch?
May 12 19:58:10 <imran> so if the patch is called "test-patch.patch", what would be the command?
May 12 19:58:38 <en0x> patch < test-patch.patch ?
May 12 19:58:40 <en0x> omg
May 12 19:58:53 <imran> lol sorry
May 12 19:59:13 <en0x> ok time to go home
May 12 19:59:14 <en0x> bbl
May 12 19:59:16 <imran> bb
May 12 19:59:27 <imran> thx
May 12 20:05:12 <imran> Damn, having trouble with the exact command, any help?
May 12 20:06:12 <sbromwich> what's the error?
May 12 20:06:37 <Solix> Did you cd into the directory of ur patch?
May 12 20:15:49 <imran> no I didn't put cd
May 12 20:16:05 <imran> weird
May 12 20:16:05 <imran> Managed to get the patch on though
May 12 20:16:36 <imran> Something odd happening, when I get a sms from a friend, it doesn't show his name in messaging, only his number
May 12 20:19:46 <sbromwich> what was the patch supposed to do?
May 12 20:20:05 <imran> Replaces the sms preview with just "New Message"
May 12 20:20:25 <imran> But for some reason this one contact's name won't show up in messages :-/
May 12 20:20:27 <sbromwich> sounds like something screwed up... cut and paste the terminal window contents to webos.pastebin.com
May 12 20:20:37 <imran> oh no this was happening before I installed the patch
May 12 20:20:52 <imran> was happening from when I first synced my contacts over
May 12 20:21:13 <imran> Other contacts names show up :-/
May 12 20:21:39 <Solix> Remove and readd just his contact info ?
May 12 20:21:49 <imran> it's coming in from google
May 12 20:21:53 <imran> hmm
May 12 20:22:31 <sbromwich> ah ok
May 12 20:24:04 <imran> weird, the name shows up in email, just not in sms
May 12 20:25:46 * nt4cats needs a nap
May 12 20:26:09 <imran> *zzzzz
May 12 20:26:11 * sbromwich has to stay up all night for a scheduled outage
May 12 20:26:18 <sbromwich> suq.
May 12 20:28:50 <imran> haha never mind, sorted it again :p
May 12 20:28:56 <sbromwich> what was it?
May 12 20:29:51 <imran> I had a . in front of the name because on my old phones I could find the name straight away by typing . but WebOS doesn't like that
May 12 20:30:43 <sbromwich> ahhhh... nice piece of info to know, good catch
May 12 20:30:49 <imran> Doesn't matter though because I've got a full qwertz now and universal search so it's all good
May 12 20:30:57 <sbromwich> heh
May 12 20:30:57 <imran> so finding contacts is easy
May 12 20:31:17 <sbromwich> yup
May 12 20:33:21 <imran> Is it normal to be signed out of your google contacts account everytime you leave the app?
May 12 20:33:42 <sbromwich> dunno
May 12 20:34:07 <sbromwich> I think there's an option to keep it alive somewhere or how frequently to resync but it's not something I've played with
May 12 20:34:42 <imran> I see
May 12 20:36:46 <sbromwich> time for pub, I think... bbl
May 12 20:39:59 <HattCzech_work> does anyone know how to setup a widget (toggle or checkbox) inside of a list widget?
May 12 20:42:56 <nt4cats> bbiab
May 12 20:44:38 <imran> cheers guys, bbl
May 12 21:02:27 <oc80z> AHHHH
May 12 21:12:45 <oil> HattCzech_work: re widget in list
May 12 21:12:53 <oil> its setup when the list is
May 12 21:13:04 <HattCzech_work> i'm looking into that right now...
May 12 21:13:16 <HattCzech_work> which i'm not sure is possible
May 12 21:13:20 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to setup a list within a list
May 12 21:13:29 <oil> put the attributes/models you want for the sub-widgets, in the list setup
May 12 21:14:11 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/configs-assistant.js;h=20ba6e5a0daae1037f1b5c8ffc9774f5a903e5de;hb=HEAD
May 12 21:14:18 <oil> thats how preware does it in the feed management scene
May 12 21:14:54 <oil> wirc does it, too
May 12 21:15:00 <oil> with text boxes in each item
May 12 21:15:25 <oil> in a number of places
May 12 21:15:31 <oil> its magical
May 12 21:15:51 <HattCzech_work> that's exactly what i'm trying to do... why didn't i think about looking at preware...
May 12 21:15:55 <HattCzech_work> hahahah
May 12 21:16:10 <oil> preware has toggles in that
May 12 21:16:36 <oil> but yeah, just put the x-mojo-etc code in your row template
May 12 21:16:41 <oil> and it just works
May 12 21:16:50 <HattCzech_work> for the feeds... if there are multiple items in the feed (all and armv7), is that a multiline text box or two text boxes?
May 12 21:17:05 <oil> eh?
May 12 21:17:20 <oil> (i was only talking about the list above the new feed area)
May 12 21:17:33 <oil> we don't support adding of config files with 2 feeds directly in preware
May 12 21:17:34 <HattCzech_work> optware -> on/off (ipkg.preware...all, ipkg.preware...armv7)
May 12 21:17:44 <oil> yeah, those are all one config file
May 12 21:17:48 <oil> but preware can't create them
May 12 21:17:50 <oil> like that
May 12 21:18:05 <HattCzech_work> right, but the ones that have multiple lines... is the info displayed in 1 or 2 text boxes?
May 12 21:18:14 <oil> its just a div
May 12 21:18:16 <oil> no text box
May 12 21:18:45 <HattCzech_work> that works too
May 12 21:18:58 <oil> the only widget in that list is the toggle
May 12 21:19:06 <oil> wirc does it with text boxes
May 12 21:19:09 <HattCzech_work> okay
May 12 21:19:24 <HattCzech_work> mine is a bit trickiet
May 12 21:19:36 <HattCzech_work> s/trickiet/trickier
May 12 21:20:17 <oil> how so?
May 12 21:20:31 <HattCzech_work> i have the following info...
May 12 21:21:38 <HattCzech_work> [{name: user1, numbers: {number1: 000, number2: 001}}, {name: user2, numbers: {number1: 000}}, etc...]
May 12 21:21:53 <HattCzech_work> first list is that big array
May 12 21:22:08 <HattCzech_work> but i'd like a 2nd list within the first with the numbers array
May 12 21:22:21 <oil> a list within a list?
May 12 21:22:23 <HattCzech_work> yup
May 12 21:22:37 <HattCzech_work> because each of those numbers will have a checkbox
May 12 21:22:39 <oil> let me know how it goes :)
May 12 21:22:43 <oil> though, i dont think its possible
May 12 21:22:51 <HattCzech_work> hahahaha
May 12 21:23:06 <HattCzech_work> that's what i've come to as well... i don't think it is possible
May 12 21:24:21 <HattCzech_work> so i basically need to think of another way to do that :/
May 12 21:26:48 <oil> i would say, one list
May 12 21:26:55 <oil> then tap that to get a new scene with the other list
May 12 21:27:41 <HattCzech_work> yeah, looks like i'll be going that route
May 12 21:28:05 <HattCzech_work> thanks, thought, oil
May 12 21:28:08 <HattCzech_work> though*
May 12 21:42:47 <chrisa> We need to get the mic api soon so I stop having to write song lyric snippets at red lights to remember to look up a song name later
May 12 21:42:54 <chrisa> My memo app is full of lyrical snippets
May 12 21:43:21 <RevLinsoftware> Hi i am looking for any of the WebOS internals development staff
May 12 21:43:31 <RevLinsoftware> i have a propisition they might be interested in
May 12 21:43:39 <Robi_> who's working on govnah?
May 12 21:43:55 <Robi_> i think there's a bug with the 0.3.0 update
May 12 21:44:57 <RevLinsoftware> is there any way i can get in direct contact?
May 12 21:45:01 <RevLinsoftware> email or so on
May 12 21:45:15 <chrisa> RevLinsoftware: Best to just mention it here and someone will poke you
May 12 21:46:47 <RevLinsoftware> well my apologies for this being slightly off topic, but i am working on a desktop operating system at the moment that has a desktop environment entirely coded in web language running client side atop a .nix core, it a very similar concept to WebOS
May 12 21:46:54 <RevLinsoftware> hence why i am here
May 12 21:47:44 <RevLinsoftware> i am A looking to see if any one has an interest on working on a project like this
May 12 21:48:01 <chrisa> Define "coded in web language"
May 12 21:48:19 <chrisa> Is there a project website?
May 12 21:48:57 <RevLinsoftware> well the desktop itself uses an augmented version of ExtJS along with CSS3 and html5 executed in a Webkit based runtime with a v8 plugin
May 12 21:48:59 <RevLinsoftware> and yes
May 12 21:49:03 <RevLinsoftware> you have either my blog
May 12 21:49:11 <RevLinsoftware> http://p-quinn.com
May 12 21:49:12 <RevLinsoftware> or
May 12 21:49:29 <RevLinsoftware> the main website which is currently under construction
May 12 21:49:38 <RevLinsoftware> http://revlin.org
May 12 21:50:17 <chrisa> How do you plan to handle the issue of desktops generally using more diverse software and your environment having no easily ported application support?
May 12 21:50:56 <RevLinsoftware> well the web itself is one of the largly developed for platforms on the planet
May 12 21:51:17 <RevLinsoftware> there is a dameon which allows the use of C programs for backends
May 12 21:51:17 <chrisa> Yes, but you're still a desktop OS
May 12 21:51:36 <chrisa> Hmm, let me come from a different angle
May 12 21:51:39 <RevLinsoftware> ok
May 12 21:51:41 <chrisa> What problem does this solve?
May 12 21:51:52 <chrisa> What are the benefits on the desktop?
May 12 21:52:03 <chrisa> (I'm not an internals dev, just curious)
May 12 21:52:04 <RevLinsoftware> the main issues with chrome OS
May 12 21:52:23 <RevLinsoftware> it runs client side whilst still being totally integrated into the cloud
May 12 21:52:24 <RevLinsoftware> and
May 12 21:52:42 <RevLinsoftware> its simplistic to develop applications for
May 12 21:53:12 <RevLinsoftware> you have a giant library of functions at your disposial
May 12 21:53:23 <cba123> I managed to get Mobile Hotspot installed on my Sprint Pre.  However, when I try to connect a device, said device can't obtain an IP.  Any ideas?
May 12 21:53:48 <RevLinsoftware> and a built in app store for easy acess to an application
May 12 21:54:06 <RevLinsoftware> along side music videos ebooks and other media
May 12 21:54:09 <RevLinsoftware> in one place
May 12 21:54:18 <chrisa> cba123: simply installing the hotspot won't make it work
May 12 21:54:37 <cba123> chrisa, I did the freetetherd, and the patch as well.
May 12 21:55:39 <RevLinsoftware> look at it this way, what problem did webOS solve?
May 12 21:56:23 <RevLinsoftware> weather you like the concept or not is for you to decide
May 12 21:56:50 <PrimerFender> chrisa: have you tried zcorder?
May 12 21:56:55 <chrisa> nope
May 12 21:57:03 <RevLinsoftware> i have no doubts at all that with the right driving force behind this it could be a real compeditor
May 12 21:57:51 <RevLinsoftware> http://p-quinn.com/entries/report/report-what-is-revlin-os-and-what-are-its-benefits
May 12 21:57:56 <RevLinsoftware> give that a read
May 12 21:59:37 <PrimerFender> It records from the mic and saves an mp3 on filesystem, might help you
May 12 22:03:09 <HattCzech_work> cba123: freetetherd with mobile hotspot should work
May 12 22:03:34 <cba123> HattCzech_work, I thought it should, but it didn't.
May 12 22:03:46 <HattCzech_work> you turned on ipforwarding in freetether?
May 12 22:03:51 <cba123> Yes
May 12 22:04:21 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, one sec...
May 12 22:05:22 <cba123> HattCzech_work, Do I have to enable it each time?
May 12 22:05:42 <HattCzech_work> each time you restart your phone
May 12 22:06:20 <HattCzech_work> if ip forwarding shows "enabled", then you turn on the hotspot, it should work
May 12 22:06:26 <HattCzech_work> (i'm using sprint as well)
May 12 22:06:36 <cba123> I have noticed my EVDO keeps dropping, and freeTether keeps changing the IP in "Wan Information," sometimes it says "(null)" then the IP changes
May 12 22:06:55 <HattCzech_work> are you in a poor service area?
May 12 22:08:12 <HattCzech_work> i don't have a laptop (or other device) to test my hotspot right now
May 12 22:08:18 <HattCzech_work> but it has worked in the pas
May 12 22:08:19 <HattCzech_work> past*
May 12 22:09:32 <cba123> I'm not in a bad area, afaik
May 12 22:09:36 <VincentLaw> okay so I'm confused, RevLinsoftware. your entire purpose for the OS is to fix what you consider a flaw in ChromeOS: reliancy on the cloud for applications. but, IIRC, that's not exactly true. There's nothing stopping webapps from running locally on ChromeOS, and accessing documents that are on the device
May 12 22:10:25 <RevLinsoftware> no no thats not our goal
May 12 22:10:33 <RevLinsoftware> its to build a desktop
May 12 22:10:34 <HattCzech_work> the wan ip address is going between a value and null?
May 12 22:10:41 <cba123> Yeah
May 12 22:10:55 <cba123> I usually get stable internet access over evdo here
May 12 22:11:00 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, mine stays pretty constant
May 12 22:11:01 <RevLinsoftware> that is built for the web without be reliant on a constant web connection
May 12 22:11:03 <VincentLaw> RevLinsoftware: but what does your OS actually do that Chrome can't?
May 12 22:11:26 <VincentLaw> I don't see how ChromeOS is /reliant/ on a constant connection. It makes heavy use of it, but it isn't required 24/7
May 12 22:11:46 <RevLinsoftware> you can access music documents and programs on your desktop without the need for the internet
May 12 22:11:58 <HattCzech_work> if working properly, you should have an ip address, and both ip forwarding and NAT should be enabled
May 12 22:12:01 <VincentLaw> I'm fairly sure chromeOS can do that :P
May 12 22:12:08 <RevLinsoftware> no it cant
May 12 22:12:10 <HattCzech_work> then turn on the hotspot, and connect
May 12 22:12:12 <RevLinsoftware> all chrome os is
May 12 22:12:14 <RevLinsoftware> is a browser
May 12 22:12:26 <HattCzech_work> then your phone should complain that sprint doesn't allow tethering... blah blah
May 12 22:12:28 <RevLinsoftware> you have no access to the under lying f/s
May 12 22:12:30 <VincentLaw> RevLinsoftware: yes, it is a browser, but browsers can access local pages
May 12 22:12:40 <VincentLaw> webos is really nothing more than a browser as well
May 12 22:12:49 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: your web site opens a pop-up advertising window.  Based on that alone, I won't be reading your blog posting.
May 12 22:12:59 <RevLinsoftware> not it dosnt
May 12 22:13:04 <RevLinsoftware> well it shouldnt any way!
May 12 22:13:09 <RevLinsoftware> also
May 12 22:13:12 <RevLinsoftware> thats childish
May 12 22:13:24 <RevLinsoftware> say nothing if you dont wish to contribute
May 12 22:13:38 <rwhitby> well, if it's not intentional, I'll take back the comment.
May 12 22:14:00 <rwhitby> but something on your site is opening a casino gambling popup
May 12 22:14:01 <RevLinsoftware> i just removed all ads from my site
May 12 22:14:22 <VincentLaw> RevLinsoftware: "Google will integrate a media player into both Chrome OS and the Chrome browser, enabling users to play back MP3s, view JPEGs, and handle other multimedia files while offline."
May 12 22:14:30 <VincentLaw> as an example of offline usage
May 12 22:14:32 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: adserving.cpxinteractive.com
May 12 22:14:47 <RevLinsoftware> ok now that should get rid of the popup
May 12 22:15:10 <VincentLaw> RevLinsoftware: also... "Google Chrome OS will follow the Chrome browser's practice of leveraging HTML5's offline modes, background processing, and notifications. "
May 12 22:15:27 <VincentLaw> doesn't sound 100% reliant on internet access to me
May 12 22:15:40 <RevLinsoftware> true enough
May 12 22:15:45 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: BTW, #webos would be a more appropriate forum for this discussion, since it's not related to the Linux-level internals of webOS ...
May 12 22:16:01 <RevLinsoftware> ok
May 12 22:16:11 <rwhitby> (and you're more likely to get interest from web-level guys in there)
May 12 22:16:12 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: indeed. I'll shut up to assist in that :P
May 12 22:16:22 <RevLinsoftware> thanks....
May 12 22:16:30 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: not kicking you out or anything, just pointing to where the most interest might be
May 12 22:17:01 <RevLinsoftware> well here is a question that is related to webOS at a linux ish lever
May 12 22:17:03 <RevLinsoftware> l
May 12 22:17:25 <RevLinsoftware> how does the UI interface with the subsystem in WebOS
May 12 22:17:31 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: thx for fixing the site.  now I can treat it professionally ;)
May 12 22:17:43 <VincentLaw> dbus services and plugins?
May 12 22:17:46 <VincentLaw> plus luna
May 12 22:17:53 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: LunaSysMgr - a proprietary Palm binary
May 12 22:18:13 <RevLinsoftware> ok i see we are implimenting something similar
May 12 22:18:30 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2062 has a lot of info about the webOS architecture
May 12 22:18:55 <RevLinsoftware> also i want to say sorry about intruding like this
May 12 22:19:09 <RevLinsoftware> i would be a little annoyed in a similar situation
May 12 22:19:15 <RevLinsoftware> thans for you patience
May 12 22:20:36 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: what's the licensing on RevLin OS ?
May 12 22:20:40 <VincentLaw> rwhitby is nothing if not patient law
May 12 22:20:43 <VincentLaw> *lawl
May 12 22:20:45 <RevLinsoftware> GPL
May 12 22:20:52 <RevLinsoftware> fully opensource
May 12 22:21:02 <cba123> HattCzech_work, I rebooted my phone, and turned on the Mobile Hotspot, and I got that error, but still can't get an IP
May 12 22:21:20 <RevLinsoftware> if i could we would make it MIT or BSD but the frame work we are using
May 12 22:21:25 <RevLinsoftware> disallows this
May 12 22:21:26 <RevLinsoftware> sadly
May 12 22:21:37 <HattCzech_work> after rebooting, you re-enabled ip forwarding?
May 12 22:21:51 <cba123> It was on actually
May 12 22:22:05 <HattCzech_work> interesting
May 12 22:22:31 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: so on first glance, it seems RevLin OS is the ideas of Chrome OS with the addition of the (very correct IMHO) idea that your computer must continue to work uninterrupted when you don't have a network connection.
May 12 22:23:28 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: where's your public source repo?
May 12 22:23:54 <HattCzech_work> cba123: i'm not sure why it won't give you an ip... i'll check mine when i have access to a laptop in a bit
May 12 22:24:40 <RevLinsoftware> we havent released it as of yet, we dont want people to see the code as it stands before we have a working product for testing
May 12 22:25:03 <RevLinsoftware> if people tried it out and had a bad expereice before we where ready it would put them off
May 12 22:25:15 <VincentLaw> HattCzech_work: if it matters I had similar issues. I would connect to the pre, but it was as if NAT wasn't on despite being turned on
May 12 22:26:02 <cba123> VincentLaw, How'd you fix it?
May 12 22:26:08 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i never had that issue, so i'll verify i can obtain an ip address with another computer
May 12 22:26:34 <VincentLaw> cba123: I stopped trying :P
May 12 22:26:58 <rwhitby> RevLinsoftware: ok, let me know when you've got some code up. good luck with the project.
May 12 22:27:07 <cba123> I have MyTether as well, but it doesn't work well either.
May 12 22:27:24 <RevLinsoftware> thank you
May 12 22:27:46 <RevLinsoftware> i will come back tell you  when we have it up
May 12 22:27:58 <RevLinsoftware> it will be on our sourceforge page
May 12 22:28:10 <HattCzech_work> cba123: have you tried using it through usb?
May 12 22:28:42 <cba123> HattCzech_work, I would, but I'm trying to connect an Archos 5 internet tablet, as in no USB
May 12 22:28:53 <HattCzech_work> gotcha
May 12 22:36:37 * rwhitby bbl
May 12 22:37:19 <oc80z> what type of linux is webos based on
May 12 22:37:37 <Solix> Joplin
May 12 22:37:56 <VincentLaw> woh
May 12 22:38:10 <VincentLaw> the EVO can do simultaneous voice/data even when not on 4G?
May 12 22:38:16 <oc80z> no is it?
May 12 22:38:52 <Solix> Uname -a in term tells ya.. Mine says joplin
May 12 22:39:02 <oc80z> ....what was it before joplin?
May 12 22:39:15 <oc80z> i am in usb mode right now..
May 12 22:39:21 <Solix> Dunno
May 12 22:39:29 <oc80z> i was just about to update the wikipedia on list of linux distributions
May 12 22:41:30 <oc80z> so ah..
May 12 22:41:35 <oc80z> suggestions
May 12 22:42:07 <hckyplayer024> unixpsycho: are you going to put that kernel I tried yesterday in the testing feed?
May 12 22:42:26 <uNiXpSyChO> what i have time
May 12 22:42:31 <uNiXpSyChO> s/what/when
May 12 22:43:42 <hckyplayer024> oh alright. I don't know if you saw but I was getting about 5% drain per hour with moderate use
May 12 22:44:12 <uNiXpSyChO> is that good?
May 12 22:44:54 <hckyplayer024> well I'm using the current screenstate and getting around 7.5% so yeah that's pretty good
May 12 22:45:24 <ka6sox> 50% reduction is pretty good.
May 12 22:46:02 <hckyplayer024> I'd say so
May 12 22:46:28 <uNiXpSyChO> i have to poke rwhitby so i can fix my testing feed
May 12 22:46:31 <hckyplayer024> I'm sure it will be much much better with less use
May 12 22:46:52 <uNiXpSyChO> and keep the screen off at all times... and turn radio off.
May 12 22:46:59 <uNiXpSyChO> you'll get 20 hours of battery
May 12 22:47:11 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 12 22:47:29 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, so the different charger detection is via vbus+ma = USB and ma with no vbus event = AC
May 12 22:48:11 <uNiXpSyChO> So i wonder how webOS knows the touchstone is connected within kernelspace
May 12 22:48:20 <hckyplayer024> well I mean I was using the phone to look stuff up and make calls plus a lot of texting. if I can consistently get 5% drain per hour that would be awesome
May 12 22:48:55 <hckyplayer024> that was about 3.5 hours of testing too
May 12 22:48:58 <VincentLaw> I wonder what the EVO does to do voice/data at the same time
May 12 22:49:56 <hckyplayer024> idk if it can do that in a 3g area...prob only when 4g service is available
May 12 22:50:05 <cba123> VincentLaw, Not now
May 12 22:50:12 <uNiXpSyChO> from what i know it cant do both at the same time right now
May 12 22:50:25 <cba123> uNiXpSyChO, Not whenever I try it
May 12 22:50:55 <oc80z> yo hckyplayer024; did u publish the kernel?
May 12 22:51:24 <uNiXpSyChO> cba123: talking 3g or 4g?
May 12 22:51:30 <cba123> 3g
May 12 22:51:39 * uNiXpSyChO is there another caj here?
May 12 22:51:44 <hckyplayer024> its not my kernel, it's unixpsycho's
May 12 22:52:13 <uNiXpSyChO> cba123: yeah.  3g cant do it unless the carrier upgrades EVDO rev.  that wont happen now with 4g
May 12 22:53:22 <cba123> uNiXpSyChO, I do like how Verizon is doing it, by advertising Skype
May 12 22:53:22 * uNiXpSyChO yells a little louder in Palm's direction  on how touchstone is detected within kernel
May 12 22:53:44 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, the UBE way of doing this is to export "the_data" from charger_detector.c
May 12 22:53:49 <hckyplayer024> no no all I did was report the results of my testing here I'm sure oc80z just thought it was mine because he didn't read all of what I said
May 12 22:53:57 <uNiXpSyChO> cba123: yeah... until their data network is clogged like how AT&T's got clogged with iphone users.
May 12 22:54:25 <ka6sox> and check it for 0,500,1000 values
May 12 22:54:26 <cba123> uNiXpSyChO, I don't think theirs will be clogged, they have more users afaik iirc
May 12 22:54:38 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: i tried that...  i may have not had the right bits tho.
May 12 22:55:02 <chrisa> uNiXpSyChO: what are you complaining about now?
May 12 22:55:03 <uNiXpSyChO> hckyplayer024: i was just being sarcastic ;-)
May 12 22:55:14 <uNiXpSyChO> chrisa: lol
May 12 22:55:20 <chrisa> All I can say about the puck detection is that there be dragons there
May 12 22:55:38 <uNiXpSyChO> chrisa: but cant you tell us what module to stroll by?
May 12 22:56:27 <hckyplayer024> alright I have to head out. ill be back a little later. see ya
May 12 22:56:43 <oc80z> i wanted to check SBromwich kernel
May 12 22:57:01 <chrisa> I can tell you exactly how it works on pixi, but castle there are a grey areas I don't know well
May 12 22:57:08 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: i would have been nice if it also checked for 700 for inductive
May 12 22:57:26 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, the *other* way is to look @ the precharge module of the TWL4030 and look for the AC Charger Present bit in one of the 7 registers.
May 12 22:57:43 <chrisa> There are likely some modem components you have no insight into
May 12 22:58:02 <ka6sox> true.
May 12 22:58:02 <VincentLaw> [18:52:03] <+uNiXpSyChO> cba123: yeah.  3g cant do it unless the carrier upgrades EVDO rev.  that wont happen now with 4g <--- they announced at the EVO press today that it can do voice/data at the same time, on 3G. specifically mentioned it
May 12 22:58:24 <uNiXpSyChO> chrisa: maybe it will help us.  we are looking for the polling mechanism for the puck
May 12 22:59:02 <uNiXpSyChO> VincentLaw: urr?  voice on evdo and data on WiMax maybe
May 12 22:59:08 <chrisa> I would be surprised if that was kernel level, but I'm used to msm architectures personally
May 12 22:59:13 <chrisa> Which are more of a SoC design
May 12 22:59:40 <cba123> VincentLaw, I said "Not now" iirc, and you were asking if it does, and the exact answer is "No" but I guess a more technical answer could be "Not right not but Sprint announced it can, but probably won't enable it" happy?
May 12 22:59:45 <cba123> Still "No"
May 12 22:59:53 <uNiXpSyChO> chrisa: the event seems to happen from the kernel. i would hope.
May 12 23:00:05 <VincentLaw> cba123: not sure why they'd announce it for the EVO if it couldn't do it
May 12 23:00:14 <VincentLaw> evo's coming out in less than a month
May 12 23:00:15 <chrisa> An event does, yes. But it doesn't necessarily mean it originates in the kernel
May 12 23:00:24 <VincentLaw> I'm asking because my understanding was it wouldn't work as well
May 12 23:00:30 <chrisa> Anyways, not sure with pre
May 12 23:00:33 <cba123> VincentLaw, Did I say "Couldn't" or "Doesn't?"
May 12 23:01:00 <VincentLaw> ok :P
May 12 23:01:20 <cba123> VincentLaw, My car doesn't run without me putting my key in.  Does that mean it couldn't?  It could if I spend a lot of money on remote start, but if I'm already planning on getting a new one, why bother
May 12 23:01:43 <VincentLaw> okay then why would they say they're doing it
May 12 23:01:46 <VincentLaw> if they're not going to do it >.>
May 12 23:01:48 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, well....since nobody else is using the precharge information we won't disturb anybody else polling it.
May 12 23:02:19 <cba123> Read what people type before jumping to conclusions, I think "Not now" was sufficient to say "Not at this moment, but it can" but they might not if they want to push 4g more
May 12 23:02:24 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: depends on where it is.  no mutex needed?
May 12 23:03:01 <Solix> Marketing. Simply put. :P
May 12 23:03:07 <VincentLaw> well apparently they don't care about pushing 4g more
May 12 23:03:10 <VincentLaw> lol
May 12 23:03:13 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, its polling a i2c device.
May 12 23:05:43 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, no mutex required
May 12 23:06:29 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: which module are you looking in?  curious.
May 12 23:07:04 <ka6sox> I'm going to start by using twl4030_madc.c as a starting point.
May 12 23:07:46 <ka6sox> that concatenates pairs of registers to form the 10bit ADC values but thats easy to mod to a single byte
May 12 23:08:29 <ka6sox> since the 7 registers start @ 0x00AA and are consecutive its simple.
May 12 23:09:19 <uNiXpSyChO> i hope you do this in assembly
May 12 23:14:05 <ka6sox> it would be fast except for the calls to twl4030_i2c_read
May 12 23:14:18 <ka6sox> which go @ i2c speed.
May 12 23:17:06 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, eventually it could be reduced to one function that you could embed in the governor.
May 12 23:17:47 <ka6sox> after we determine what bit in what register you need.
May 12 23:18:40 <uNiXpSyChO> its easy to create a function to export what we need...  a boolean or pointer const would would
May 12 23:19:13 <uNiXpSyChO> a/would/work/
May 12 23:19:37 * uNiXpSyChO needs a drink...
May 12 23:19:42 <ka6sox> first thing is to poll all of them and watch what changes when its on the TS vs off.
May 12 23:22:20 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: good call
May 12 23:22:53 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: I think I'll back up these fibre switches then investigate the liquor store
May 12 23:23:03 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: back from the pub early?
May 12 23:23:33 <ka6sox> sbromwich, does the provincial gov't have laws about bicycling intoxicated?
May 12 23:23:47 <sbromwich> said I'd be back for 8, only 20 minutes late
May 12 23:23:54 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: must be Brocade
May 12 23:24:07 <sbromwich> ka6sox: technically... I can get points on my license but I'd need to get one first
May 12 23:24:23 <sbromwich> qlogic
May 12 23:24:59 <sbromwich> junior sysadmin is doing the backups for me
May 12 23:25:10 <sbromwich> he *cough* needs the experience
May 12 23:25:15 * ka6sox heads to the cellar to pick out a nice Merlot.
May 12 23:25:18 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: good man
May 12 23:25:25 <sbromwich> he's definitely going to be scoring a good review this year
May 12 23:25:37 <sbromwich> hmmm... half an hour till the liquor store closes
May 12 23:25:44 <uNiXpSyChO> hurry
May 12 23:25:45 <sbromwich> fuckit, I'm going for guinness
May 12 23:25:51 <sbromwich> bbaib
May 12 23:27:03 <ka6sox> 2004 Geyser Peak Merlot...it was a Good Year.
May 12 23:27:29 <uNiXpSyChO> vodka is better
May 12 23:28:11 <ka6sox> vodka and gin are proof positive that people will make alcohol out of ANYTHING.
May 12 23:28:20 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
May 12 23:29:52 <ka6sox> well...since NOBODY threw any rocks at me I think I'll go off and implement this.
May 12 23:30:08 <uNiXpSyChO> use the force
May 12 23:30:09 <HattCzech_work> anyone know why my textbox widget ALWAYS has focus when i push the scene? i set the attributes for focus and autoFocus to false, but that doesn't work
May 12 23:30:24 <ka6sox> (well..I've been warned about dragons which i will heed)
May 12 23:30:49 <uNiXpSyChO> guess its better than monsters?
May 12 23:31:04 * ka6sox wears flame proof suit.
May 12 23:31:16 <chrisa> HattCzech_work: Try asking in the #webos channel, this channel is typically lower level
May 12 23:32:44 <ka6sox> addc 0x0100
May 12 23:33:10 <HattCzech_work> okay
May 12 23:34:24 <HattCzech_work> is there a reason it tells me "can't send to channel" in webos? do i need to register or something?
May 12 23:38:49 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox: do u like wines from south america
May 12 23:38:54 <PuffTheMagic> like chile and argentina?
May 12 23:39:28 <ka6sox> yes, and sometimes the Aussies (although they are into Shariz)
May 12 23:39:34 <PuffTheMagic> Malbecs
May 12 23:39:41 <ka6sox> ya, that too
May 12 23:39:42 <PuffTheMagic> are like the south american merlot
May 12 23:39:53 <PuffTheMagic> im been growing to like them best
May 12 23:40:01 <PuffTheMagic> s/im/ive
May 12 23:40:27 <ka6sox> the chileans are doing a good job.
May 12 23:40:35 <PuffTheMagic> yeah def
May 12 23:40:45 <PuffTheMagic> just the right amount of oak flafor
May 12 23:40:48 <PuffTheMagic> flavor
May 12 23:40:58 <PuffTheMagic> and dry
May 12 23:41:02 <PuffTheMagic> mmm
May 12 23:41:05 <ka6sox> no hint of cherry in them though.
May 12 23:41:28 <PuffTheMagic> im about to start my first batch of wine next week
May 12 23:41:54 <PuffTheMagic> gonna be a shiraz
May 12 23:41:55 * ka6sox lives in a Pinot growing region
May 12 23:45:29 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/5385 << good gas guage :D
May 12 23:56:31 <Freddo> anyone kno how to make preware work ?
May 12 23:57:14 <VincentLaw> no, no one knows how to make it work
May 12 23:57:42 <PuffTheMagic> McGruber!
May 12 23:58:43 <chrisa> Is rwhitby around?
May 13 00:00:16 <PuffTheMagic> chrisa: it is durring the hours that he is awake
May 13 00:02:40 <Freddo> damm ok
May 13 01:15:17 <user325> sup
May 13 01:16:03 <user325> umm...
May 13 02:30:01 <sbromwich> DC manager just found a case of Windows supporting Unix
May 13 02:30:19 <sbromwich> 3 floppy disks from windows 95 were being used as a shim to prop up an old rack to level it out.
May 13 02:30:52 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
May 13 02:40:27 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
May 13 02:40:27 <dBsooner> GASP
May 13 02:40:28 <dBsooner> <---- HE SPEAKS
May 13 02:40:42 <halfhalo> lies
May 13 02:41:01 * oil falls out of chair
May 13 02:45:23 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
May 13 02:46:04 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: ping
May 13 02:46:23 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: host-unreachable
May 13 02:46:48 <halfhalo> wrong number?
May 13 02:46:53 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: darn. and there was me hoping you had the url for the screenstate fixed kernel image
May 13 02:47:34 <uNiXpSyChO> you dont have it?
May 13 02:47:50 <halfhalo> fffffffffffff
May 13 02:47:56 <halfhalo> Stupid amazon
May 13 02:47:57 <sbromwich> pslag1 is interested in it
May 13 02:48:01 <uNiXpSyChO> i thought it would have been all over the net by now
May 13 02:48:02 <halfhalo> ETA for camera the 20th
May 13 02:48:52 <sbromwich> l33t war3z
May 13 02:49:12 <dBsooner> Anyone want to buy a Sprint AIRAVE?
May 13 02:49:21 <dBsooner> Or a Clean ESN Pre?
May 13 02:49:25 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: http://unixpsycho.com/com.unixpsycho.kernel_1.4.3_armv7.ipk
May 13 02:49:27 <halfhalo> why?
May 13 02:49:31 <dBsooner> :(
May 13 02:49:38 <dBsooner> <--- No longer a Sprint customer.
May 13 02:49:44 <halfhalo> awww, why?
May 13 02:49:46 <dBsooner> But will continue to develop WebOS
May 13 02:49:53 <dBsooner> Long story.
May 13 02:50:06 <dBsooner> My employer gives me a phone with unlimited everything.
May 13 02:50:11 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: ta
May 13 02:50:17 <dBsooner> And my wife wanted an iPhone (BOO!)
May 13 02:50:20 <halfhalo> oooohhh, unlimited everathang?
May 13 02:50:22 <oil> pre is on every carrier!
May 13 02:50:22 <uNiXpSyChO> booooooooo
May 13 02:50:25 <halfhalo> well, Pre plus att!
May 13 02:50:41 <dBsooner> oil: employer requires I carry their device
May 13 02:50:51 <oil> sux
May 13 02:50:53 <dBsooner> TBH, I would rather stay on sprint
May 13 02:51:04 <dBsooner> much better service
May 13 02:51:05 <dBsooner> as far as quality of network
May 13 02:51:15 <halfhalo> I think sprint should move the pixi to their new prepaid plans
May 13 02:51:26 <dBsooner> But since employer has 25 lines with ATT.. all unlimited iPhones..
May 13 02:51:41 <dBsooner> and makes me carry it (we use apps written by us for us)
May 13 02:52:00 <dBsooner> I can't spend 150$ per month anymore on a line I don't use.
May 13 02:52:06 <halfhalo> sim swap with the att pre
May 13 02:52:24 <dBsooner> AGAIN
May 13 02:52:31 <dBsooner> I have to carry an employer iPhone
May 13 02:52:36 <halfhalo> Yes, I get that
May 13 02:52:37 <dBsooner> Company apps
May 13 02:52:45 * oil votes dbsooner off the island
May 13 02:52:45 <halfhalo> I mean when your webos deving
May 13 02:52:52 <oil> :)
May 13 02:52:54 <sbromwich> dBsooner: obviously all you have to do is write an iphone emulator for webos
May 13 02:52:59 * sbromwich loves the simple solutions.
May 13 02:53:02 <dBsooner> Easy peasy.
May 13 02:53:06 <dBsooner> I'll get right on it
May 13 02:53:13 <sbromwich> is that a breeze or was it just my handwaving?
May 13 02:53:25 <dBsooner> So anyway.
May 13 02:53:37 <dBsooner> I want to give my fellow dev folk a crack at the phone first
May 13 02:53:54 <dBsooner> its an original 6.6.09 Palm Pre
May 13 02:53:57 <halfhalo> Heh
May 13 02:53:59 <dBsooner> mint condition
May 13 02:54:02 <oil> so who has a pixi and wirc?
May 13 02:54:11 <halfhalo> I'm tempted to get a att pixi plus for dev stuff
May 13 02:54:15 <dBsooner> had a full body Ivnvisible shield since day one
May 13 02:54:23 <bpadalino> att pixi plus might be a good idea
May 13 02:54:39 <uNiXpSyChO> w
May 13 02:55:36 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: just you and the nsa
May 13 02:56:08 <uNiXpSyChO> rm -rf /
May 13 02:57:29 <sbromwich> touch /-i
May 13 02:57:48 <dBsooner> So no takers on the AIRAVE either?
May 13 02:58:21 <halfhalo> nah, cant afford the monthly payment
May 13 02:59:09 <bpadalino> dBsooner: how much ?
May 13 02:59:14 <dBsooner> 50 bucks?
May 13 02:59:21 <dBsooner> brand new
May 13 02:59:32 <dBsooner> I'd want 75.. but for you all its 50
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