**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2010 May 14 03:00:48 oil_pre: k, thanks :) May 14 03:00:58 np May 14 03:01:06 ahh man, after i doctor, im going to have to let all my apps install. May 14 03:01:17 i wouldnt be surprised if that took days :O May 14 03:01:56 i think i had like, 2 gigs of games May 14 03:09:44 Can anyone point me to info on permanent cookie storage for time limited trial? May 14 03:11:18 chm: don't think it is possible. you'd need a store the data differently. also, this more of #webos stuff May 14 03:14:17 Decimate: to b elcaer, you need to save the list from preware, then save the list from save/install, /before/ doctoring. May 14 03:14:25 Decimate: then afterwards what oil said May 14 03:15:43 dtzWill: yeah, i saved it in save/restore, then i remembered my preware list wasnt updated, so i rushed to open preware :) but thanks May 14 03:15:49 doctoring just finished May 14 03:15:56 time to spend 5000 hours downloading apps May 14 03:16:09 and my phone seems so laggy without the 800mhz overclock :( May 14 03:18:02 Decimate: yeah figured you had it straight, but... not something one wants to get wrong so figured i'd double check :) May 14 03:18:10 Decimate: so overclock it first then restore :D May 14 03:19:08 dtzWill: meh, im just gonna let me app catalog apps restore. which will probably take like, 30 minutes on wifi (its a lot) then ill go into developer developer developer mode. May 14 03:19:24 NO I JUST CONFIRMED SPANISH AS MY LANGUAGE May 14 03:20:06 Decimate: click emergency call, ##rtn May 14 03:20:11 although you may need your msl for that May 14 03:20:20 and that might wipe your media/internal May 14 03:20:23 Decimate: er.. learn espanol May 14 03:20:59 im gonna see how long i can deal with this being in spanish :P May 14 03:27:53 TibFib: Thanks anyway. May 14 03:29:30 quit May 14 03:32:02 Decimate: that will affect your app catalog access too May 14 03:46:13 rwhitby: yeah, i redoctored :( stupid spanish May 14 03:50:59 don't waste time, just back it up and doctor May 14 03:58:03 so the evo is coming out on the 4th :) May 14 04:04:21 not where I live, and probably 90% of the rest of the US population? May 14 04:06:31 hey guys May 14 04:06:46 bpadalino, oil_pre, good news May 14 04:06:52 ? May 14 04:07:01 apparently i like JUST became a sprint premier member May 14 04:07:06 like a week ago the card came in the mail May 14 04:07:09 neat May 14 04:07:13 and i guess i can do an advance exchange May 14 04:07:23 and get a new pre shipped to me May 14 04:07:24 neato May 14 04:07:37 yeah, better not cost me a dime except for shipping though May 14 04:07:40 (and mom's payin ;)) May 14 04:07:43 good job May 14 04:07:56 but yeah my radio is fried May 14 04:07:59 i talked to the representative on the chat on the sprint site, and since im a premier member, or at least my parents are, even though im not elliglbe for an upgrade until july, they are giving me a 150 upgrade discount in june for the evo :) May 14 04:08:18 well yeah premier you get like win benefits May 14 04:08:33 a new phone every year for the sticker price May 14 04:08:37 well, right now im not elligble for even the year upgrade May 14 04:08:38 instead of every 2 May 14 04:08:42 sooooooo freaking win May 14 04:08:44 not till july May 14 04:08:44 wow ghey May 14 04:08:46 oh May 14 04:08:51 i'll stick with my pre until another webos device comes out May 14 04:08:56 it's worked well for me May 14 04:09:05 what do you guys think about the rumored HP webos tablet May 14 04:09:07 but they were like, you're a valuable customer, we'll give you 150 dollars off the phone. May 14 04:09:16 seriously if it has decent hardware it sounds freaking awesome May 14 04:09:24 webos is perfect for it May 14 04:09:52 im gonig to get the evo, keep my pre incase anything amazing happens, and forsure buy the next webos phone. and if a webos tablet comes out, ill be first in line. May 14 04:09:57 and hp can market it by saying you can REALLY multitask May 14 04:10:00 but they'll have to modify webos May 14 04:10:10 to have two windows open at once May 14 04:10:12 not that shitty switcher on the iphone/ipad May 14 04:10:25 like, two windows that you can actively do stuff in at the same time, not just in card view May 14 04:10:31 holy win, two windows at once May 14 04:10:41 EPIC MULTITASKING May 14 04:10:47 eh, i dunno .. is that necessary ? May 14 04:10:52 sounds WINRAR May 14 04:10:59 for a tablet, used for real computing, i think so. May 14 04:11:05 decimate, do you even have wimax where you live May 14 04:11:10 what would you do in 2 windows ? May 14 04:11:19 maybe a webpage open in one and a document in another May 14 04:11:34 go on the web, copy, paste to a doc May 14 04:11:36 can scroll in either, interact with both whenever you want May 14 04:11:39 all without having to switch cards and what not May 14 04:11:41 AND a virtual keyboard May 14 04:11:46 Decimate: can you do that just with redirections ? May 14 04:11:49 it sounds legit May 14 04:11:58 bpadalino: im just being ideal here. May 14 04:12:00 highlight - send to .. May 14 04:12:12 honestly i can't feel anything but wary of wimax May 14 04:12:20 and yokken: no wimax here, i just want the phone. the 4gness means nothing too me. May 14 04:12:29 like, i'd love to have 4g, but i can totally see myself just being pissed about lte owning wimax May 14 04:12:34 i'm not a huge fan of 802.16e May 14 04:12:36 like, wimax... is just... shitty May 14 04:12:40 LTE is going to kick ass May 14 04:12:51 and lte advanced even more May 14 04:12:53 very true words. May 14 04:13:02 40mbps down @ 110km/h (70mph) May 14 04:13:08 sounds like FREAKING WIN in my head May 14 04:13:17 LTE won't achieve that realistically May 14 04:13:29 they got 10mbps down and 2mbps up in boston May 14 04:13:34 harvard, MIT, all those rich mofos May 14 04:13:45 they've been testing it i guess, in real world applications May 14 04:13:48 it owns. May 14 04:13:54 it will rock the crap out of wimax May 14 04:14:02 engadget only got like 4mbps down and 1mbps up (hard cap) May 14 04:14:06 but it's backed by a dialup from the tower to the backbone :( May 14 04:14:14 wat May 14 04:14:17 what is May 14 04:14:22 too many towers are still running T's May 14 04:14:36 like T3? May 14 04:14:44 right, or a couple T1's May 14 04:14:51 no way dude May 14 04:14:59 even 20 simultaneous T1s May 14 04:15:06 that's enough for like... 20 users May 14 04:15:09 no way May 14 04:15:17 if you're just doing voice, it's fine May 14 04:15:28 well yeah but data May 14 04:15:36 like everyone uses data now May 14 04:15:36 or if you statistically only have 20 people pulling data for 10% of the time .. May 14 04:15:40 you will probably be fine May 14 04:15:41 prolly like 1/3+ of the nation May 14 04:16:15 vzw said that if they do things right they should have almost all their towers upgraded to LTE by 2013 May 14 04:16:28 and starting in 2009 May 14 04:16:34 so they're workin on it May 14 04:16:43 and when that day comes.... sorry sprint, you've been awesome, but i want lte. May 14 04:16:46 sowwy. May 14 04:17:59 lte? May 14 04:18:10 i agree LTE is the future .. and don't like 802.16 May 14 04:18:54 why not bpadalino May 14 04:19:06 sprint isn't putting all their eggs in wimax .. they have provisions to update their wimax to do LTE as well May 14 04:19:40 yeah i heard that May 14 04:20:07 but i'm not gonna wait for sprint to implement wimax and get it all set up all over the nation by 2013 and then be like "ohshi verizon has lte already" May 14 04:20:11 "we're screwed" May 14 04:20:26 like honestly, at the rate they're losing money, they should have gone with LTE... May 14 04:20:44 i dunno - i don't live in an area that will receive LTE first .. so it won't really be a major thing for me May 14 04:20:57 we have clearwire here, but i haven't been impressed with the demos May 14 04:21:22 i hope vzw picks minneapolis for LTE as one of their first places May 14 04:21:44 i mean manhattan, san fran, houston, chicago... obviously first choices May 14 04:21:59 but the twin cities are a very reasonable place to put them before 2013 May 14 04:22:19 buy stock in vzw and go to a stock holder meeting and convince them May 14 04:22:59 screwwwwwwww that May 14 04:23:15 not good at public speaking ? May 14 04:23:16 i'm 19 years old, i'm sure i could do it, but i'm wayyyy too lazy and i always half-ass stuff May 14 04:23:22 no, i'm actually really good May 14 04:23:26 i have charisma up the ass May 14 04:23:31 believe it or not... haha May 14 04:23:31 sounds painful May 14 04:23:44 if i could get enough research done, sure May 14 04:24:00 if there was a lot of reasons to put it in minneapolis before, say, denver or seattle May 14 04:24:05 then yeah i might try May 14 04:24:10 buy a single stock in vzw lol May 14 04:24:47 i love the ads adobe just launched May 14 04:24:51 it's so awesome May 14 04:25:01 somebody finally taking a legitimate stab at apple May 14 04:25:07 and a BIG stab from a BIG company May 14 04:25:12 obv nokia and htc are big too but uh May 14 04:25:21 like half the reason to own a mac is based on adobe products May 14 04:25:51 okay well photoshop and illustrator are a big deal. i doubt many people use premiere or lightroom May 14 04:27:09 i gotta say, android 2.2 with usb tethering and built in wifi hotspot capability is a big move from google May 14 04:27:26 the only thing hard to say is how much carriers will charge to unlock it May 14 04:27:30 but... then again May 14 04:27:37 you could flash a custom rom and have it unlocked anyway May 14 04:27:41 so it's interesting May 14 04:27:50 android has too much fragmentation - same thing that plagued winmo May 14 04:27:57 yep May 14 04:28:00 inconsistent hardware May 14 04:28:12 i like how microsoft set like strict specs for wp7s May 14 04:28:21 unfortunately, they didn't say you could install a different browser. May 14 04:28:25 and that kills it entirely for me May 14 04:30:23 IE mobile is just awful May 14 04:30:32 engadget demoed it and basically threw up in their mouths May 14 04:31:58 webkit is pretty nice, that's for sure May 14 04:32:33 yes, yes it is May 14 04:32:41 we need some squirrelfish extreme up in this bitch May 14 04:32:51 BEST INSULT EVER: May 14 04:32:55 eh, v8 does a very nice job May 14 04:33:02 your mother is so fat, the recursive function computing her mass causes a stack overflow. May 14 04:33:20 is v8 like, the new webkit? May 14 04:33:25 i thought it was google's shit May 14 04:33:29 your mom services more requests than http May 14 04:33:37 lol May 14 04:33:45 so ridiculous May 14 04:33:51 the recursion gets me so bad though May 14 04:34:53 v8 is a javascript engine that google made to plug in to webkit May 14 04:35:01 yeah May 14 04:35:49 what does the pre use then May 14 04:35:58 v8 May 14 04:36:17 nice May 14 04:36:22 yeah chrome renders everything nice May 14 04:36:34 and a quick browser makes slower internet seem faster May 14 04:36:45 just like bumping my pre to 800mhz makes the experience a lot more streamlined May 14 04:37:20 pretty amazing we need 800MHz, tho .. 100MHz Pentiums used to be just fine and snappy May 14 04:37:26 lol May 14 04:37:37 pretty amazing we need PB of hdd space May 14 04:37:51 well, i can understand that - video is large .. May 14 04:37:51 what was it like 420kb or something May 14 04:37:59 640 May 14 04:38:10 multimedia takes up a good portion of space May 14 04:38:16 640k is all we'll ever need May 14 04:38:17 compression algorithms are getting better May 14 04:40:47 bpadalino, you are cool May 14 04:41:06 just nerdy May 14 04:41:14 aren't you like 35 May 14 04:41:28 i mean i have no qualms May 14 04:41:31 28? May 14 04:41:35 oh sweet May 14 04:41:42 a lot of people in the webos-internals scene are like 30+ May 14 04:41:49 now i feel a lot older .. thanks :( May 14 04:41:51 it's nbd but it's just interesting May 14 04:42:00 some of us are ancient. May 14 04:42:00 28 is the prime of your life dude May 14 04:42:11 yeah, there's like a 60 or 70 year old guy i think i remember May 14 04:42:21 * yokken is listening to "Hengilás" by Jónsi, from the album Go. 210kbps MP3 May 14 04:42:23 JUST FOR KICKS May 14 04:43:50 lol, ubuntu netbook edition is dropping firefox for chromium May 14 04:44:00 only good thing ubuntu has done in a logn time May 14 04:44:54 i really wish i could use chrome, i really do May 14 04:45:11 but it just doesn't have good enough ad blocking May 14 04:45:29 until there is something as good as Adblock Plus on chrome, i can't switch May 14 04:45:38 i can deal with the different layout and whatnot as long as i don't have ads May 14 04:45:44 i can't deal with ads, i'm picky May 14 04:45:59 there is an ad blocker which uses the easylist filters May 14 04:46:07 the fallout: new vegas box art is sweet May 14 04:46:11 yeah but it's not as good May 14 04:46:14 it doesn't catch everything May 14 04:46:16 i've used it May 14 04:46:26 i think it was like AdBlock+ and AdSweeper combined May 14 04:46:36 i know AdBlock+ but i don't exactly remember the second May 14 04:46:52 https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb May 14 04:47:34 22 hours ago: it doesn't block facebook ads any May 14 04:47:40 oh. 13 hours ago: filters updated May 14 04:47:45 lol... May 14 04:47:53 this may have convinced me to move over May 14 04:48:11 but now i need to know: which version? chrome or chromium? developer/beta or stable? May 14 04:48:33 i like a stable phone OS (i would never install iphone os 4.0 beta) because i depend on it for communication May 14 04:48:47 but on my computer i'm okay with experimenting May 14 04:49:22 bleeding edge is the only way to roll, right ? May 14 04:50:11 i guess so May 14 04:50:15 4.0 developer build? May 14 04:50:20 i don't do nightly, that aint cool May 14 04:50:32 but the latest "relatively stable" dev build i'm cool with May 14 04:51:11 good to know May 14 04:52:36 lol, yeah, in case you were gonna get me anything ;) May 14 04:52:39 GIFT IDEAS! May 14 04:52:47 -no nightly builds. May 14 04:53:07 I remember when a build would take and entire night! May 14 04:53:18 s/and/an May 14 04:53:29 my fpga builds still take an entire night sometimes :( May 14 04:53:58 last night one build machine went through 11 PAR's .. still couldn't converge .. the other one converged just fine - first try May 14 04:54:25 what's a PAR? May 14 04:54:29 place and route May 14 04:54:30 par or par2? May 14 04:54:33 D: May 14 04:54:50 nothing to do with PAR2 files then haha May 14 04:54:55 no - sorry May 14 04:54:56 what's a place and route LOL May 14 04:55:28 the algorithm basically tries to take a schematic with a lot of components .. May 14 04:55:37 ahhhh May 14 04:55:39 and fits it inside of a chip with some routing resources predefined .. May 14 04:55:49 so take your favorite motherboard May 14 04:55:50 I always wonder how they did that! May 14 04:55:52 remove all the components May 14 04:55:55 remove all the traces May 14 04:56:03 and tell something "Make it work!" May 14 04:56:16 the algorithm does, effectively, the placement and routing on that PCB May 14 04:56:29 except it's just all in a single piece of silicon May 14 04:56:30 whoever designs that has to be rediculously anal May 14 04:56:39 it's all graph theory May 14 04:56:43 bpadalino, that's awesome May 14 04:56:54 i toured a place that does all sorts of stuff like that May 14 04:57:00 they get contracted by the air force n shit May 14 04:57:09 "can't meet timing" is the worst thing I read. May 14 04:57:25 and does it run through all possible permutations, or just the ones that make the most sense (you said graph theory but I'm sure there are different ways to skin a cat) May 14 04:57:41 ka6sox: i had "Router met with impossible routing condition based on congested routing resources. Giving up." May 14 04:57:52 holy crap chrome is 72mb May 14 04:57:59 hahahahahahaha May 14 04:58:00 bpadalino: ewwww May 14 04:58:15 PrimerFender: it actually couldn't do a brute force .. May 14 04:58:33 so it tries all sorts of different ways to get around it May 14 04:58:42 it's similar to a weighted traveling salesman problem May 14 04:58:51 WOW chrome just bypassed version 4 and went straight to 5 May 14 04:58:53 nifty, is this what you do in "real" life? May 14 04:58:56 neato May 14 04:59:09 yeah - all for software defined radio platforms May 14 04:59:22 i do lots of signal processing at work May 14 04:59:23 * yokken shudders at the idea of real life May 14 04:59:45 real life is like a vacation compared to school, to me .. May 14 04:59:51 school was so much more work than .. work May 14 05:00:03 definitely have a lot more free time now than i did back then May 14 05:00:29 :-) i sometimes wish I went to school first May 14 05:01:09 me too May 14 05:02:13 it's funner, to me, learning on the job versus just in school .. May 14 05:02:18 i still have too much to learn May 14 05:04:45 wow chrome 5.0.375 beta just DOMINATED ff 3.6.3 in the futuremark browser benchmark May 14 05:04:49 like, DOUBLED ff's score May 14 05:05:20 how embarrassing for AMD, an intel e8400 beats a phenom ii x4 940 May 14 05:05:29 though the browser only uses one core May 14 05:05:36 and e8400 has higher clock speed May 14 05:06:04 :) this makes me happy May 14 05:08:37 Are Android apps written in Java? May 14 05:09:02 i think android runs in a JVM May 14 05:09:08 but otherwise i have no idea May 14 05:09:33 i just remember when i first saw android a few years back i heard the word java mentioned and said 'fuck this' May 14 05:10:49 yes, but they have a native SDK as well .. but it's generally for computation .. not direct display of graphics May 14 05:10:50 lol May 14 05:11:02 the SDK, what languages do they use? May 14 05:11:05 they run a modified jvm called dalvik .. May 14 05:11:09 C/C++ May 14 05:11:16 i believe it's a JNI link May 14 05:11:20 bpadalino, you use chrome i'm guessing? May 14 05:11:28 yokken, yeah generally .. May 14 05:11:30 it's snappy May 14 05:11:35 OK, so if Java it has to be JIT compiles before running vs. C/C++ which is compiled May 14 05:11:39 have you found a way to remove favicons from the bookmark bar? May 14 05:11:54 yokken, no - that doesn't bother me i guess May 14 05:11:57 however, if they are both in user space then performance would be same once they were both compiled May 14 05:12:21 PrimerFender: yeah i believe they have a JIT which helps them out .. but those are dalvik implementation details i am not 100% sure of May 14 05:12:26 i like minimalism and i have to get rid of them, seriously May 14 05:12:45 BUT...the JIT compiler does waste time compiling before running so perf. is not the same....and Android 2.2 seems to have a kernel space JIT? May 14 05:13:03 i'm just trying to understnad how they jumped in perf for these particular apsp May 14 05:14:23 ah - i have no idea .. maybe some of the guys hanging out in #android could be more helpful May 14 05:14:32 you dont put jits in the kernel May 14 05:14:48 oh hey, it's geist May 14 05:15:01 it's just a usual jit. actually what's sort of amazing is how well it ran being just a pure interpreter up until now May 14 05:15:20 but i know the dalvik guy. they have some smart people working on that May 14 05:15:49 they're no slouches May 14 05:15:54 These results are so impressive, most likely due to the introduction of the long awaited JIT compilation into the kernel, that we felt they deserved immediate attention. May 14 05:16:09 no. it's not in the erknel May 14 05:16:20 it's just a usual jit May 14 05:16:30 So I'm just misunderstand what they wrote or they wrote incorrectly? May 14 05:16:38 the former May 14 05:16:53 sounds like someone in marketing got something wrong May 14 05:19:00 geist, how are things on the left coast ? May 14 05:19:09 not too bad May 14 05:19:17 just had some great mole May 14 05:19:28 gotta love some good mole May 14 05:19:55 wash it down with a good cup of coffee ? May 14 05:20:08 tapioca pearl May 14 05:21:05 tasty May 14 05:21:09 yum May 14 05:22:18 I read this on wikipedia: Dalvik currently has no just-in-time compiler, but Android 2.0 includes experimental source for one (disabled by default). May 14 05:22:34 So in Android 2.2 it ENABLED the JIT May 14 05:22:35 supposedly this is changing in 2.2 May 14 05:22:57 and that's the cause for the speed improvement. May 14 05:23:13 geist, the dalvik stuff is from the old danger guys you said, right ? May 14 05:23:17 yeah May 14 05:23:28 well, android is a bunch of stuff from old danger guys May 14 05:23:37 yeah you were saying before May 14 05:23:38 but...if no JIT, then how does the program run? just plain interpreted instead of JIT compiled? May 14 05:23:40 it's essentially what we wanted to do the first time May 14 05:23:44 PrimerFender: yep May 14 05:23:56 I GET IT NOW! May 14 05:23:58 LOL May 14 05:23:59 thanks May 14 05:24:19 BTW, Danger as in sidekick? I loved that thing May 14 05:24:35 yep. bunch of the android guys are ex-danger May 14 05:24:38 as am I May 14 05:24:43 nice to know they're finally living their dream May 14 05:24:43 no shit May 14 05:24:45 bet you anything the danger branch of msft designed the kin May 14 05:24:52 always good to see your dreams realized May 14 05:24:54 apparently no May 14 05:24:57 wat May 14 05:25:07 i have it on pretty good authority that absolutely no danger code made it into kin May 14 05:25:20 it had already been reset a zillion times and had a crapton of engineers thrown at it May 14 05:25:28 of course not, not JIT :-P May 14 05:25:28 byt the time they bought Danger, it was already too far along May 14 05:25:38 and most of the early engineers had already left years ago May 14 05:26:10 Does it really take that long to come out with something like the KIN? May 14 05:26:28 the kin... would be good if it had a webkit browser on it. May 14 05:26:31 if you have no direction, sure May 14 05:26:33 but IE mobile kills it for me May 14 05:26:42 instantly May 14 05:26:54 you can pretty much indefinitely develop a product if you dont do it right May 14 05:27:00 behold: Foleo May 14 05:27:26 absolutely May 14 05:28:30 it's also amazing when you have a pretty much infinite bucket of money, the crap you can churn out after years of development May 14 05:29:47 geist, you WoW, right? are you in the starcraft beta ? May 14 05:29:57 yeah, havne't played it too much May 14 05:29:57 i am May 14 05:30:12 apple needs to release 10.6.4 so i can has better graphics drivers :( May 14 05:31:28 oh, that's what i was curious about - geist, what do you think of the kernel stuff going on in here lately? May 14 05:31:40 haven't been looking too much May 14 05:32:01 i think eieio was looking at it though May 14 05:32:51 i just imagine someone at palm saying "oh, those webos internals guys" and shaking their head with a little grin May 14 05:33:00 i like having a faster processor May 14 05:33:18 well, i think eieio was looking at the preempt enabled fixes May 14 05:33:35 but beyond that it's just something else to learn, i don't know of any practical applictions to modifying the kernel May 14 05:34:36 preempt sounds good May 14 05:35:06 i dont think it in itself is a big deal except any fixes for that are likely to be real legit bugfixes to drivers May 14 05:35:26 i guess ti has some major code overhauls for the pmic or other subsystems upstream ? at least that's what impression i was under May 14 05:35:47 well, basically the .24 kernel is a total one off abomination May 14 05:36:13 since that code base was put tgoether by TI May 14 05:36:20 everything went in a completely different direction May 14 05:36:40 essenitally the entire omap port is different upstream May 14 05:37:16 can't seem to get WebOS Quick Install to work...it doesn't recognize my device...my PC sees it though when I connect so no USB issue...any suggestions? May 14 05:37:45 well that sounds interesting May 14 05:37:59 wow google chrome nice job, nice. May 14 05:39:09 geist, is it typical that ti does this for it's chips? does their own thing for initial BSP, then integration is done and completely different by the end ? May 14 05:39:34 bpadalino: it *was* typical May 14 05:40:00 so they're changing it for the 44xx omaps and newer chips ? May 14 05:40:02 for the most part they've completely changed how they deal with linux in the last 2 or 3 years May 14 05:40:14 oh definitely. TI is being very proactive about getting code upstream May 14 05:40:32 they're essentially directly pushing omap4 code upstream, before the cpus even exist May 14 05:40:43 3 or so years back they were still operating with the 'old' mechanism May 14 05:40:45 that sounds pretty nice then May 14 05:40:54 which was basically to give you a tarball and you just deal with it May 14 05:41:03 and how they got that tarball to work you generally dont care May 14 05:41:22 i still think the vast majority of linux device users still operate under that model May 14 05:41:34 you bash together some device, you get a code drop, you hack it to work, you ship May 14 05:41:43 sounds about right May 14 05:41:54 hell, that sounds about how we work with qnx :( May 14 05:42:45 for the most part our timing was bad, we got essentially the last drop from TI that they'll do that way May 14 05:42:52 and it kind of paints us in a pretty bad corner May 14 05:43:11 with omap at least. things are in a lot better shape with qualcomm based cpus May 14 05:43:24 since QC has come around and maintain active git repos for their cpus May 14 05:43:28 surprising .. i always thought qualcomm was stingy with opening stuff up May 14 05:43:30 after android smacked em around May 14 05:43:42 they were a few years back. they have also made a big 180 May 14 05:43:47 ah, it took android to smack em around May 14 05:44:04 the .24 based msm stuff is closer to mainline because there has only ever been one linux port, and it was based on android source May 14 05:44:16 which QC has now taken and is going full bore on May 14 05:45:10 omap is sort of a victim of the fact that it's a very popular chip among hobbyists May 14 05:45:20 lots of folks are writing a ton of code to support May 14 05:45:29 well that sounds good .. i am guessing that means linux support for opengl on their gpu's post haste May 14 05:45:56 nah. practiclaly none of the gpu vendors, desktop or mobile, open source any of their gpu stuff May 14 05:45:58 i was honestly amazed when ti opened up the omap line to hobbyists May 14 05:46:07 generally you just map the command buffer in user space and drive it May 14 05:48:39 well, i guess that just leaves broadcomm to turn a 180 and open their stuff up May 14 05:49:48 or marvell. May 14 05:50:01 aren't they intel now ? May 14 05:50:09 other way around May 14 05:50:19 intel sold the business to marvell May 14 05:50:28 ah interesting May 14 05:50:38 you basically can't see what marvell does... May 14 05:50:59 (the hardware stuff and programming manuals are unavailable) May 14 05:51:06 it's terrible all the nda's they want you to sign :( May 14 05:51:21 + 1st born. May 14 05:52:14 I know several of their linux guys though..and they are supporting linux pretty well. May 14 05:52:52 that's good May 14 05:53:12 Apple is the only ones who I've seen use Marvell in my experiences May 14 05:53:42 but that's just Networking...what else do they do? May 14 05:54:16 broadcomm and marvell both have decent 802.11 chips that a lot of phones use May 14 05:54:18 they have ARM SoC's May 14 05:56:17 ahh May 14 05:57:06 kirkwood is 1.2ghz and Armada is 2.0ghz May 14 05:57:36 i dont think they're that well positioned in the smartphone space, but in other spaces, maybe May 14 05:57:50 smartphones are probably the hardest slice of SOC to build a compelling solution May 14 05:58:07 its the power manglement issues. May 14 05:58:10 it's a hard line between performance and power usage May 14 05:58:23 yeah, and now you need at least something with 1000 DMIPS or so May 14 05:58:34 so many mips May 14 05:58:51 its only because of the video carp. May 14 05:59:01 we did sooo much with only 1mhz. May 14 05:59:11 well, sort of. most of the SOCs offload most of that now May 14 05:59:21 stuff like android/webos, etc aint free May 14 05:59:30 webkit May 14 05:59:55 ncsa2.0 browsers. May 14 06:00:07 it's essentially why suddenly (last 3 years or so) can do real web browsers May 14 06:00:20 cpus got past a certain threshold where the web didn't need to be predigested May 14 06:00:34 its all the jewelry necessary and bling of the video. May 14 06:00:42 indeed May 14 06:00:49 yeah, ARM11 and 90nm .. quite the combo May 14 06:01:04 right. i remember when i was bringing up the iphone it was so fast May 14 06:01:09 after coming from the arm7/arm9 world May 14 06:01:17 yeah, absolutely May 14 06:02:04 now with mobile ddr2 .. and dual channel memory controllers in a smartphone SoC .. May 14 06:02:06 pretty impressive stuff May 14 06:02:32 the second big jump in performance in my experience has been the addition of L2 May 14 06:02:56 keeping more stuff closer to the cpu is always a good thing May 14 06:02:58 it's a pretty massive jump May 14 06:03:22 next jump will be into 1.x ghz range and smp May 14 06:03:34 A9 May 14 06:03:40 and snapdragon May 14 06:03:44 ya May 14 06:03:54 i am actually curious if it will be SMP or asymmetric and keep the two CPU's doing orthogonal things May 14 06:04:08 one for real-time user interaction .. May 14 06:04:11 the programming models are for SMP. May 14 06:04:14 and one for largenumber crunching May 14 06:04:15 in the mobile space it'll be SMP, but a lot more bringing up of the second cpu on demand May 14 06:04:26 or handling IO May 14 06:04:41 oh handling io is a known thing. lot sof socs come with 'extra' cpus May 14 06:04:50 right. May 14 06:04:56 offloading the proc. May 14 06:05:11 yeah, just looking at the jtag scan chain of those omaps .. May 14 06:05:19 and you see 4 or 5 ARMs on there May 14 06:05:28 yep May 14 06:05:34 especially if you have an omap4 May 14 06:05:45 yeah, 2 M3's for care/feeding of the audio/video decoders May 14 06:05:49 they tossed in a couple cortex-m3s for kicks May 14 06:06:11 the c64x+ core with 4 alu's instead of 8 May 14 06:06:13 I thought there was TMS320C65's and so May 14 06:06:27 such May 14 06:06:42 * rwhitby bbl (+48 hours) May 14 06:06:58 out of network coverage for 2 days :) May 14 06:07:06 rwhitby: enjoy camping May 14 06:07:12 stay away from the wallabies May 14 06:07:15 watch out for dingos May 14 06:07:32 dingoes stole my pre! May 14 06:07:59 dingoes ate my baby! May 14 06:08:31 LOL enjoy May 14 06:09:15 past 2am .. going to sleep - night May 14 06:09:19 * ka6sox waits for tablet with OMAP4. May 14 06:09:33 nite bpadalino May 14 06:09:58 i just realized how much i like helvetica and how much i hate default web fonts May 14 06:10:03 facebook and twitter are just murder May 14 06:10:09 get that OUTTA here May 14 06:10:30 next evolution...mutable fonts. May 14 06:10:39 WAT May 14 06:10:49 oh god and engadget May 14 06:10:59 i can't believe they switched to a serif May 14 06:11:19 Sans Serif forever! May 14 06:11:34 yes May 14 06:11:39 helvetica forever is more like it May 14 06:12:17 what.cd knows what's up. May 14 06:12:17 yokeen, you are a picky son of a bitch May 14 06:12:23 i just like my helvetica May 14 06:12:25 back off May 14 06:12:26 lol May 14 06:12:48 don't want no stinkin Times New Roman. May 14 06:13:16 I can't stand overriding fonts in web browser, it doesn't look natural to me May 14 06:13:43 personally i like consistency May 14 06:13:58 helvetica is beautiful and it always will be May 14 06:14:15 facebook without font overriding is like murder, you lose so much space May 14 06:17:30 morning May 14 06:17:46 1:17am May 14 06:17:48 herro May 14 06:18:17 not to mention chrome actually doesn't render a few of my sites properly (like certain things supposed to have highlighting but it's misplaced) May 14 06:18:23 but when i force helvetica it works just fine May 14 06:19:13 :( one of them doesn't work regardless of what i do May 14 06:20:37 holy SHIT comcast upgraded our internet May 14 06:20:40 my god May 14 06:20:53 i used to burst like 2.2MB/s with speedboost for like 5-6sec May 14 06:20:57 i just hit 3.5MB/s May 14 06:21:07 maybe i won't have to worry about not having school internet as much :) May 14 06:21:21 yep. comcast net here is pretty fast too May 14 06:22:01 my timewarner crap JUST got upgraded to 10mb... May 14 06:22:10 8:22am here :) May 14 06:22:21 well we used to be like 25mbps but it went down May 14 06:22:27 but now i guess they boosted it back up again May 14 06:22:29 bout time May 14 06:23:26 :( just got 17mbps from the chicago speakeasy server which is usually my fastest, but i downloaded the Steam update at 3.5MB/s May 14 06:24:34 I have Optimum online, 15MB, 30MB, and 100MB, depending on how much you're willing to shell out. May 14 06:24:51 Cablevision, ftw. May 14 06:24:51 cool, the minneapolis speedtest.net server is gone May 14 06:25:03 what is 15MB, 30MB, and 100MB? May 14 06:25:09 like, is that your monthly bandwidth allowance? May 14 06:25:12 or what May 14 06:25:19 the speed, silly May 14 06:25:24 i think you mean 15mbps, 30mbps, or 100mbps May 14 06:25:28 ok May 14 06:25:30 MB is megabyte May 14 06:25:35 it's 2AM here, so sue me. May 14 06:25:42 2:25am? May 14 06:25:49 or are you rounding up by 35 minutes May 14 06:25:51 in CST May 14 06:25:52 yes May 14 06:26:00 why wouldn't you say 2:30 May 14 06:26:01 EDT May 14 06:26:05 you are definitely tired May 14 06:26:07 EST May 14 06:26:12 lol May 14 06:26:15 no, EDT May 14 06:26:18 EDT May 14 06:26:18 EDT? May 14 06:26:21 EST is during the winter May 14 06:26:22 what the fuck is edt May 14 06:26:26 daylight May 14 06:26:30 eastern standard time? May 14 06:26:30 Eastern Daylight Time May 14 06:26:38 we're not in daylight savings anymore May 14 06:26:43 standard time is when there's no seasonal adjustment May 14 06:26:50 we are in daylight savings time....... May 14 06:26:53 no we're not May 14 06:26:56 we go to it in the winter May 14 06:26:58 WAIT WHAT May 14 06:27:03 huh? May 14 06:27:03 THIS IS MAKING NO EFFING SENSE May 14 06:27:11 yokken: you have it backwards May 14 06:27:14 why the hell wouldn't we use it in winter May 14 06:27:15 its WAAAY too late where you are. May 14 06:27:19 we have LESS daylight in winter May 14 06:27:24 we need to preserve it May 14 06:27:30 hence SAVE DAYLIGHT May 14 06:27:39 yokken: yes, and then kids go to school in the dark. May 14 06:27:44 they do May 14 06:27:47 7am it's dark out May 14 06:27:55 w00h00...distilleries on Modern Marvels! May 14 06:27:56 it'd be worse with DT May 14 06:28:09 wow :( i've been wrong for like........ 19 years :( May 14 06:28:14 lol May 14 06:28:26 that hurts actually May 14 06:28:30 more than i thought it would :( May 14 06:28:36 WHAT ELSE AM I WRONG ABOUT May 14 06:28:42 the sky *is* blue, right? May 14 06:28:46 don't you dare say green May 14 06:28:56 I'm Jewish, you're wrong about God too. May 14 06:28:56 it's more purple than blue but we see less of purple in the spectrum May 14 06:29:00 so we see blue. May 14 06:29:08 really? May 14 06:29:11 yup May 14 06:29:14 cause May 14 06:29:22 i thought jews and christians viewed God very similarly May 14 06:29:29 it's the whole Messiah dealie that's different May 14 06:29:38 well, one is religion 1.0, the other is 2.0..... May 14 06:29:43 2.0 is better May 14 06:29:44 my sky is often orange, pollution. it really depends on the chemicals in the air. the sky is clearn on the moon. May 14 06:29:54 or black, depending on how you want to look at it. May 14 06:29:56 lol May 14 06:30:23 but you COULD say that God is all three, like the holy trinity; the father, son, and holy spirit May 14 06:30:33 technically, cause when you pray to God, you might as well be praying to Jesus May 14 06:30:35 and vice versa May 14 06:30:42 yokken: xtians are always bad at math. May 14 06:30:48 1=3 May 14 06:30:48 really now May 14 06:30:49 lol May 14 06:30:53 good one May 14 06:31:02 wth i cant seem to update the package mgr service May 14 06:31:12 yeah May 14 06:31:19 preware 1.0 eliminates it doesn't it? May 14 06:31:20 it's gone, in Preware 1.0 May 14 06:31:27 YEAHHHHHHHHH FINALLY RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING May 14 06:31:38 what a depressing statement May 14 06:31:50 what? May 14 06:31:56 and there has been some issues with Preware wanting to install it just so it can uninstall it or something like that. May 14 06:32:10 preware keeps saying there's an update and wants to install it yah May 14 06:32:14 Preware 1.0 uses native code and what WAS the PMS is now built in to the Preware app itself May 14 06:32:32 Preware with 1.0 has reached menopause, no more PMS. May 14 06:32:32 if i let it spin it'll run out of mem and crash luna May 14 06:32:35 NATIVE CCCCCCCCCCC May 14 06:32:40 haha May 14 06:33:35 i'm going to be without a phone tomorrow and most of saturday and if the shipping sprint uses takes its sweet time, sunday too. if i don't have my phone by monday 5pm someone's head is coming off May 14 06:34:04 yokken: what happened to your Pre? May 14 06:34:11 or Pixi? May 14 06:34:11 that toatlly sucks Robi_ May 14 06:34:11 it's a great story May 14 06:34:16 so my pre May 14 06:34:29 i can't upg luna manager as it depends on PMS May 14 06:34:32 10:30am, i'd been texting my girlfriend, other people, called my mom earlier in the day May 14 06:34:48 Robi_: luna manager is built into Preware May 14 06:34:53 let me take a look... May 14 06:34:54 around 11:30am or so i check my phone, it's just plugged into power sitting on my keyboard tray minding its own business May 14 06:35:03 i click the sleep/wake button May 14 06:35:08 no bars. "phone offline". May 14 06:35:25 i think okay, maybe it glitched, it happens sometimes. tried airplane mode, after i turned it on i couldn't get it out May 14 06:35:30 wifi worked, but the radio wouldn't. May 14 06:35:42 EdLin: ya well i still like the app, its faster to load than preware for a quick reload/restart, no feeds May 14 06:35:48 rebooted, no dice. grabbed the logs using novaterm and found that the radio simply would not turn on May 14 06:35:57 ALSO having the phone plugged in actually *drained* the battery May 14 06:36:02 yokken: you should get a touchstone for $19 from radioshack.com while you still can. May 14 06:36:03 there were lots of nice messages about that too May 14 06:36:19 wow slick deal much? May 14 06:36:23 preware loads pretty fast, I turn off the palm feeds May 14 06:36:40 yokken: it's a limited time, then radioshack.com stops selling them. May 14 06:36:46 uhh i see none May 14 06:36:49 they're out of stock online May 14 06:36:53 seems to load faster when it's nott he active card May 14 06:36:59 also, you may try uninstall PMS and then upgrading Luna Mgr, as some of the services of PMS are built into Preware and still work (i think?) May 14 06:37:00 yokken: maybe you're out of luck then. May 14 06:37:03 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3997358 May 14 06:37:10 it's okay, i didn't even have $19 anyway. May 14 06:37:41 yokken: out of stock ;[ May 14 06:37:44 yep May 14 06:37:59 so yeah i doctored my pre to make sure it wasn't a software problem May 14 06:38:04 sure enough it still didn't work May 14 06:38:06 so go fish at a local b&m ? May 14 06:38:21 b&m? May 14 06:38:24 sat at the spinning wheel for like 5 minutes during wizard and it said my phone has errors that can't be diagnosed or whatever May 14 06:38:36 but i just became a premier member, like last week May 14 06:38:42 anyone have a working pre plus here? May 14 06:38:50 talked to a sprint rep up the street and he said i can just do an advance exchange May 14 06:38:50 oh, bricks and mortar. Sure, Radio Shack is running the sale there too May 14 06:38:54 i'm hoping it's free May 14 06:39:22 yokken: insurance has a $100 deductible. May 14 06:39:30 no, my pre works but is not a pre+ hehe May 14 06:39:30 i didn't have insurance May 14 06:39:40 yokken: make sure to mention that Palm has a one-year warrenty. May 14 06:39:46 k May 14 06:39:49 yokken: or they'll pretend it doesn't have one. May 14 06:39:52 where is it on their site so i can show it to them May 14 06:39:55 i want to get a new device not a refurb May 14 06:39:59 don't need to, they know. May 14 06:40:01 the guy said it has a 1year warranty but mine was up May 14 06:40:04 and i was like May 14 06:40:10 1. pre hasn't even been out for a year May 14 06:40:13 how is that possible? May 14 06:40:14 yokken: tell them to scan the barcode. May 14 06:40:15 2. i signed up in sept you fuck May 14 06:40:30 i'll make sure i don't get hassled tomorrow May 14 06:40:34 barcode of the pre? May 14 06:40:51 under the batt May 14 06:40:54 yokken: the serial number, inside the case or in the status app. Sorry. May 14 06:41:02 yokken: Centro had a bar code May 14 06:41:06 i'm not getting into the status app lol May 14 06:41:17 can't do anything on the phone May 14 06:41:46 k so go in, be like "give me new pre. has 1yr warranty from palm, go ahead and input my phone's serial number/MEID/whatever you need" May 14 06:41:54 anything else? May 14 06:42:07 yokken: I went into the same thing with my Centro, they tried to act like it should cost money when Palm had a warrenty. Immediately when I reminded them, they whipped out a scanner and went right under the battery like they'd done it a million times. May 14 06:42:27 so after they do that, then what happens May 14 06:42:31 do i get a device that day? May 14 06:42:32 then it's free May 14 06:42:37 maybe, if you wait May 14 06:42:47 wait, at the store? May 14 06:42:53 yeah May 14 06:43:01 or outside and come back May 14 06:43:03 wait for them to get one, wait for stuff to validate, what? May 14 06:43:16 they have to make sure it's really broke or something May 14 06:43:16 oh so like get all the warranty crap out of the way and go home for a few hours and come back May 14 06:43:21 yeah May 14 06:43:25 oh well they said i have to leave it with them for an hour or so May 14 06:43:28 to see if they can fix it May 14 06:43:32 yep May 14 06:43:33 i was like "lol yeah right" May 14 06:43:51 you're gonna fix some tiny micro solder or something May 14 06:43:57 i know they do simple fixes and whatnot May 14 06:44:07 i even applied to that store to work, i probably have an interview next week. May 14 06:44:20 they have to go through the diagnostics, just for rutine's sake. Please the monkeys by giving them their bannanas and they'll be satisfied. May 14 06:44:30 they asked me to leave it for 3 hrs, i said no, called *2 and had a newer phone shipped in 15min May 14 06:44:38 holy moly May 14 06:44:38 I took my phone in, they replaced power button and headphone jack - in store - went to dinner across the street came back it was ready :-) May 14 06:44:47 used one of thir demo phones too May 14 06:44:52 so what would YOU guys recommend then May 14 06:45:07 should i use their demo phone and call *2? May 14 06:45:37 I don't know, I didn't know that trick. :) May 14 06:45:39 and if everything goes well, am i getting a NEW pre or a refurb, or what's most likely? May 14 06:45:52 if it's sent out its a refurb May 14 06:45:58 new is quite likely, they have plenty of stock they need to get rid of. May 14 06:45:58 piss May 14 06:46:02 in-store? May 14 06:46:06 yeah May 14 06:46:10 hm May 14 06:46:16 but you'll have a hard time convicing them to send you a new one unless u've had something like 2-3 refurbs already May 14 06:46:20 there's a sprint corporate office here in Irvine where they do warranty exchanges, my friend went it had it checked out and then they ordered a replacement. kept the old one in the meantime and 2 days later had the replacement May 14 06:46:21 I'm still on my 1st pre+ May 14 06:46:26 store will not issue a new one without forking out the cash May 14 06:46:31 TheSavaLord: me too, thank G-d. May 14 06:46:36 really robi_ May 14 06:46:48 seriously the radio just... stopped working. lol May 14 06:47:00 but I've only had it now for like 2 months May 14 06:47:01 drop it, see if it works ;] May 14 06:47:11 i did May 14 06:47:13 well May 14 06:47:14 i didn't drop it May 14 06:47:18 combined with batt drain while charging = electcrical fail. May 14 06:47:28 i smacked it against my palm around 10 times May 14 06:47:33 something inside got cross-wired and fried May 14 06:47:35 just to see if something came loose or whatnot May 14 06:47:43 yeah that was my guess May 14 06:47:49 i'm just wondering why the wifi radio still worked then May 14 06:47:54 if it's all on 1 chip May 14 06:47:56 ohh I had this issue this morning I wonder if anyone has heard of it May 14 06:47:58 why didn't my phone just fry May 14 06:48:03 i don't think it is May 14 06:48:11 yokken: it shouldn't be a problem to smack it with your palm, unless you do it somewhere besides the place where it says "PALM" for that. ;-) May 14 06:48:13 oh, not a SOC? May 14 06:48:23 it was on the PALM May 14 06:48:24 haha May 14 06:48:45 had the phone charging and it would not go over 70% until I restarted the pre May 14 06:48:53 yokken: never stress test your own device. Let this be a lesson to you. ;-) May 14 06:49:00 i didn't lol May 14 06:49:10 every time i reboot the device the kernel reverts to 500mhz May 14 06:49:13 palm default May 14 06:49:16 i couldn't get it to stick May 14 06:49:23 yokken: govnor doesn't stick..... May 14 06:49:27 i thought so May 14 06:49:33 yokken: that's a feature, not a bug. May 14 06:49:37 i can always tell when i forgot to turn it back up again May 14 06:49:48 the phone just chokes when i load preware and app store at once May 14 06:49:51 yokken: in case you have a flaky CPU that reboots constantly at higher speed. May 14 06:49:55 new govnah app i have issues with May 14 06:50:14 speed reported never drops below 500 with ondemand scheduler May 14 06:50:19 has anyone heard of the issue I just said May 14 06:50:22 eventho its set for 125 May 14 06:50:37 Sava, no May 14 06:51:07 http://www.imgspark.com/icache/0066/5f7482c005b95e8457bf4750d90bfcc2_l.jpg May 14 06:51:11 Robi: I'm on screenstate and I haven't seen it drop below 800, but temps have dropped 5 deg. May 14 06:51:13 i like that picture. May 14 06:51:38 weirdest thing I wonder if it has to do with it not being set properly on the touchstone then plugged in afterwards May 14 06:51:47 yokken: dropping out is not such a good idea, take it from me. I did and regret it. May 14 06:51:49 use a cable and see if it happens May 14 06:51:52 i didn't drop out May 14 06:51:55 i just did drugs May 14 06:51:56 prime: it's not supposed to drop. i thought screen state was too batt hungry May 14 06:51:58 and was cool May 14 06:51:58 lol May 14 06:52:05 too cool to drop out May 14 06:52:13 heyy guys May 14 06:52:28 sup May 14 06:52:43 oh, I thought screenstate was supposed to drop to min when screen was off/locked and go to max when on...maybe I misunderstood May 14 06:53:06 im bored now :/ i was texting this girl, and then she went to bed. and PrimerFender - thats what it does.. May 14 06:53:08 for me the wifi uses more batt then 3g does May 14 06:53:11 Up until yesterday I was still running caj2008 1.4.0 800MHz kernel and never noticed a diff LOL! May 14 06:53:19 wait, PrimerFender i thought so too May 14 06:53:21 what does it do? May 14 06:53:27 PrimerFender: it does drop, but you never see it - when you have the screen on you see govnah. May 14 06:53:32 well duh May 14 06:53:37 PrimeFender: yeah, it drops, but you ant see with your screen off :) May 14 06:53:41 i was like what the hell does it do then May 14 06:53:43 right, but the graph does not update? May 14 06:53:50 while scren is off i mean? May 14 06:53:56 the graph works fine here May 14 06:54:02 the app is in suspended animation? May 14 06:54:06 my graph isn't fine May 14 06:54:13 since it doesn't exist cause my friggen phone pooped May 14 06:54:19 yokken: your phone isn't fine May 14 06:54:27 my LIFE isn't fine, OKAY? May 14 06:54:35 yokken: bummer. May 14 06:54:38 oh, nvm guys, my girl is awake again texting. BYE AGAIN :) May 14 06:54:42 ok, so i just turned screen back on and load average, and temp graphs Updated, frequency did not May 14 06:54:43 lol bye May 14 06:54:51 lol, gl deci May 14 06:54:56 one of my friends says he doesn't think i could go a week without technology May 14 06:55:00 i said i could, but why would i? May 14 06:55:18 i have before, it's not that bad, after the 2nd day you're fine May 14 06:55:18 PrimerFender: i feel weird calling her my girl, because she totally has a bf ;) he doesnt know about me May 14 06:55:27 Decimate: keep at it May 14 06:55:31 your time will come May 14 06:55:48 yokken: well lets just say the "coming" has already happened May 14 06:55:51 but ive said enough May 14 06:55:51 bye May 14 06:55:55 hahahahaha May 14 06:55:57 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shittt May 14 06:56:05 deci, i understand. "my girl" might be preg. with some other dude's kid and I haven't killed him yet so count yourself lucky. May 14 06:56:34 PrimerFender: well, are you being cheated on or cheated with? May 14 06:56:42 wow&wtf May 14 06:57:01 Decimate... you shouldn't do that :( May 14 06:57:07 * EdLin renames the channel #jerry-springer May 14 06:57:10 technically neither, but it's a long fucking story and until I know for sure if it's mine i'm going to make the most of the situation May 14 06:57:11 even if her boyfriend is 100% douche May 14 06:57:16 lol May 14 06:57:18 just get about anything on IRC now-a-days... code...porn... JERRY SPRINGER! May 14 06:57:28 I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO STAY OUT OF MY LIFE May 14 06:57:34 k\t ascii porn May 14 06:57:53 yokken: shes just staying with him because his birthday is next week, lol. but its kinda weird, because shes 2 years older than me, which is a lot in high school May 14 06:58:03 how old are you May 14 06:58:07 15 May 14 06:58:12 o May 14 06:58:18 ... Edlin... xdcc/dcc => where have you been??? May 14 06:58:20 welll, shes 16 now May 14 06:58:24 Decimate: jailbate in another year or two May 14 06:58:24 17 in june May 14 06:58:30 two grades i should say May 14 06:58:38 well Decimate, just don't get her preggers May 14 06:58:39 seriously May 14 06:58:45 i would never May 14 06:58:46 cheat with her if you must May 14 06:58:52 but for the love of god May 14 06:58:57 do not impregnate anyone May 14 06:59:02 :( May 14 06:59:04 i couldnt imagine what my parents would say May 14 06:59:08 they wouldn't May 14 06:59:12 i have a weird feeling shed be fine with it though :O May 14 06:59:14 they'd kick you out that's what May 14 06:59:40 oh gravity, thou art a heartless bitch. May 14 06:59:40 yeah, its still all weird for me May 14 06:59:41 who uses the channel list May 14 06:59:50 not me i guess May 14 06:59:57 since i have no idea what it is May 14 07:00:06 DITTOOOO May 14 07:00:29 brb, shes calling me May 14 07:00:39 EdLin: http://tinyurl.com/29rfemn May 14 07:00:52 imagespark would be legit if they had better servers, it's taking like 30 seconds+ to load a page May 14 07:01:08 * yokken is listening to "Hengilás" by Jónsi, from the album Go. 210kbps MP3 May 14 07:01:15 k\t: notice sexuality is the biggest after general. May 14 07:01:43 EdLin: i don't quite follow... May 14 07:01:52 k\t: categories May 14 07:02:03 k\t: you linked to searchirc May 14 07:02:03 well that was a short phone conversation May 14 07:02:20 "I WANT YOU SO BAD" May 14 07:02:21 "i cant talk, we aren't supposed to have phones, but i love you. byee!" May 14 07:02:21 to keep it _legal_ May 14 07:02:22 I WANT YOU TOO May 14 07:02:26 "OHSHI HE'S COMING BYE" May 14 07:03:28 lol, shes away at some highschool leadership convention as a counciler there. May 14 07:03:49 so terrible. May 14 07:04:02 so im gonna impregnate her May 14 07:04:13 lol decimate you shouldn't put your real name in IRC unless you're cool with people seeing it May 14 07:04:17 Mitchell Rutkowski May 14 07:04:19 facebook time May 14 07:04:25 :) go for it May 14 07:04:52 decimate, your gf is cheating on you with yokken ? May 14 07:04:58 yes May 14 07:05:03 yes May 14 07:05:04 i dont have a g.f May 14 07:05:08 * k\t k\t jumping out from the blue... May 14 07:05:10 just close friend :) May 14 07:05:29 facebook me yet yokken? May 14 07:05:34 cool... May 14 07:05:37 yeah you don't exist May 14 07:05:45 there's no mitchell rutkowski close to DC May 14 07:05:47 thats a lie, im on it right now May 14 07:05:57 i dont live near dc May 14 07:05:58 lol May 14 07:06:08 you're connected to the DC freenode server May 14 07:06:12 good job freenode May 14 07:06:13 :link me: May 14 07:06:46 well there's 2 and they're both young May 14 07:07:00 i hope you're not the IF GOD IS A DJ THEN LIFE IS A DANCEFLOOR mitchell May 14 07:07:06 im the one with 3 people in the pic May 14 07:07:09 figured May 14 07:07:29 WHAT IS UP MY NUKKAH May 14 07:07:32 Decimate: you're the one with WebOSInternals as a friend too. May 14 07:07:41 hahahahaha May 14 07:07:58 EdLin: fair enough :P May 14 07:08:10 yo decimate hit up that fr May 14 07:08:14 my name isn't "Ask Me" tho May 14 07:08:21 oops, i hit ignore cause i didnt know May 14 07:08:23 JUSTIN May 14 07:08:39 JERK May 14 07:08:39 * k\t k\t doesn't have facebook May 14 07:08:44 justin davis May 14 07:08:50 k\t: good idea. May 14 07:08:54 i dont add strangers :P May 14 07:08:56 - you with the cellphone and justin bieber look? May 14 07:09:00 no May 14 07:09:02 thankfully May 14 07:09:12 wait, mitch- are you the one in the middle? May 14 07:09:13 Decimate: you should have better privacy settings May 14 07:09:23 let me check May 14 07:09:24 not everyone has to be paranoid May 14 07:09:29 yeah, i am May 14 07:09:32 k May 14 07:09:36 and no, im not paranoid at all. i could care less. May 14 07:09:43 but you cant comment my stuff, can you? May 14 07:09:51 EdLin, if you were on what.cd, you would have a paranoia level of 5. May 14 07:09:55 no, can't even view pix. May 14 07:10:00 oh wow May 14 07:10:04 CAN see statuses though May 14 07:10:08 can you read my wall and stuff? :P May 14 07:10:19 lol at my its great status May 14 07:10:23 yokken: if you saw my facebook, you'd agree, I have it locked down fairly tight except for people who need to know things. May 14 07:10:47 rarely do people ever NEED to know things. May 14 07:10:58 decimate: i can see comments on your statuses May 14 07:11:10 lol, just dont talk to/add my friends and im fine :P May 14 07:11:22 :http://www.123people.com/s/mitchell+rutkowski May 14 07:11:32 yokken: there's a few people who I want to know my address and phone and see my pictures, but I also have news feeds and whatnot whom I want to read, but I don't want to read myself. May 14 07:11:32 so decimate, jackie's the girl you're banging then? May 14 07:11:40 - i'd be scared at that point in time... May 14 07:11:49 yokken: dont worry about it :P May 14 07:11:51 stop scaring the kid May 14 07:11:54 yeah i knew it May 14 07:12:01 she's class of 11, you're class of 13 May 14 07:12:04 2 grades above you May 14 07:12:06 lol, nicee. May 14 07:12:08 and lotsssssss of comments May 14 07:12:15 i was gonna say, can you tell by how i talk to her or something. May 14 07:12:21 it's not hard May 14 07:12:34 also, k\t: zabasearch.com May 14 07:12:58 yokken: i wanna get an app that posts my text messages to facebook. then you'd REALLY know. May 14 07:13:09 my name's way too common to show up on 123people May 14 07:13:16 no, you don't May 14 07:13:22 i don't think anyone does May 14 07:13:37 trust me, i do. i like everything about me being out there. May 14 07:13:38 i DID do a lil background check on a phone # once through intelius, it was like $5 and i wanted to know who someone was May 14 07:13:41 it was so rewarding May 14 07:13:44 well,ok..anywayz-- it would be nice to port http://code.google.com/p/webosx/ to webos ... being that it's pure java May 14 07:13:49 i busted them big time. felt awesome. May 14 07:14:29 oh no way, 2 justin davises in minneapolis? May 14 07:14:39 the three of us need to meet up and do funny things May 14 07:14:41 - couldn't be too hard i assume. May 14 07:14:45 like hey justin, you get the bill May 14 07:14:47 *dip out* May 14 07:15:10 wait, why would you port webosx to webos May 14 07:15:19 but yokken, like i said, dont stalk my friends and i wont report you for child molestation :P May 14 07:15:26 good luck May 14 07:15:47 odd... it told me you accepted, then i go to your page and i'm not May 14 07:15:49 - for no reason at all... May 14 07:16:13 i did accept... :/ May 14 07:16:25 i know May 14 07:16:28 that's why it's interesting May 14 07:16:31 stupid facebook May 14 07:16:44 i'm gonna miss the 100mbit internet i had on campus :( May 14 07:16:58 i could only imagine May 14 07:17:11 i hit 92mbps once. May 14 07:17:22 it was... unbelievable. May 14 07:17:28 11.2MB/s was the fastest i think i ever hit May 14 07:17:45 i had to pinch myself and then scream loudly in excitement May 14 07:17:59 for one day, the isp around here had a software problem May 14 07:18:03 so there were no caps May 14 07:18:09 so everyone was getting 400mb/s + May 14 07:19:00 megaBYTES/sec? May 14 07:19:03 i doubt it May 14 07:19:04 lol May 14 07:19:22 i doubted it too May 14 07:19:23 but mbps, mmmm. May 14 07:19:27 wait May 14 07:19:30 400mbps works out to 50MB/s May 14 07:19:35 it's possible May 14 07:19:38 yeah, mbps May 14 07:19:43 gigabit router, gigabit switch May 14 07:19:49 gigabit ethernet port on my macbook... May 14 07:20:04 15 torrents downloading at once onto a RAID0 of intel x25-m 160GB drives... May 14 07:20:11 * Decimate wonders if yokken looked at jackies profile as well May 14 07:20:11 ASPLODE!? May 14 07:20:17 eh i saw her pic May 14 07:20:27 if she's the one on the left with the phone May 14 07:20:33 she looks a LOT like my girlfriend's younger sister May 14 07:20:37 sadly May 14 07:20:44 my girlfriend's younger sisteris a bitch, too May 14 07:20:46 yeah, thats her, and i hate that pic May 14 07:21:02 and shes the first non-bitch ive met :P May 14 07:21:07 o rly May 14 07:21:12 middle school CAN be brutal! May 14 07:21:18 mhm May 14 07:21:22 stupid periods May 14 07:21:46 man, wait til you're 18-20 and you have to deal with grown-up girls on their periods May 14 07:22:14 you don't say SHIT to them for an entire week because if you say one thing that isn't positive or complimenting in some way, you're in for a rage. May 14 07:22:59 lol, fml May 14 07:23:10 fel May 14 07:23:16 fMEN'Slives May 14 07:23:19 :P May 14 07:23:39 mitch, you smoke weed? May 14 07:23:44 never May 14 07:23:47 you should. May 14 07:23:51 no May 14 07:23:58 i wish i had started earlier May 14 07:24:05 like maybe 16 May 14 07:24:06 i dont plan on it May 14 07:24:24 when you're older and you smoke weed, you'll realize why i recommended it May 14 07:24:33 no, i understand May 14 07:24:34 but i have a feeling i'll grow out of it eventually May 14 07:24:44 its like, chocolate. its good, but no good for you. May 14 07:25:11 but oh so good. May 14 07:25:50 interesting... not a single +o or even +h to be seen May 14 07:26:01 ? May 14 07:26:07 learn2irc May 14 07:26:13 :( May 14 07:26:17 do you know what irc stands for May 14 07:26:22 no googling May 14 07:26:25 relay May 14 07:26:30 internet May 14 07:26:30 internet relay chat May 14 07:26:37 kk, i knew it May 14 07:26:48 it's quiz time. May 14 07:26:59 CPU, RAM, GPU May 14 07:27:04 go. May 14 07:27:07 random access memory May 14 07:27:11 graphics processing unit May 14 07:27:16 computer processing unit May 14 07:27:22 very good May 14 07:27:44 i wish i could say MAC as in mac address but i don't even know May 14 07:27:53 what about IP May 14 07:27:57 you're talking to a 15 year old 2 year c++ veteren :P May 14 07:28:09 bitch please, i started c++ at 11. May 14 07:28:11 internet May 14 07:28:13 protocol May 14 07:28:25 i started with vb :( mistakingly at 10 May 14 07:28:33 it's a good beginning language May 14 07:28:41 highly inefficient but good at making you feel like you're good at something May 14 07:28:44 boring. not really worth it May 14 07:28:53 then you jump into the win32 api in c++ and you're just like "what the fuck" May 14 07:29:08 i learned c++ through game hacking May 14 07:29:13 inline_asm is oh so fun May 14 07:29:21 asm is something i never picked up May 14 07:29:26 i'm sad that i couldn't grasp it May 14 07:29:28 good choice May 14 07:29:35 you dont want to May 14 07:29:35 asm is something good to know May 14 07:29:48 yeah, good to know, not to use May 14 07:30:01 jmp, jne, pop, eax, esp, etc. May 14 07:30:09 for game hacking, to reverse game functions to mess with other people you'd have to break it down into asm May 14 07:30:15 i know May 14 07:30:21 w32dasm May 14 07:30:30 thing worked like a charm May 14 07:30:34 change some TST's to JMP's and BAM!!! no more password protection. May 14 07:30:40 lol May 14 07:30:47 sounds like spray and pray in coding form May 14 07:30:56 pretty much May 14 07:30:58 "maybe if i just change all this shit to something else it'll work" May 14 07:31:12 i'm more interested in network security May 14 07:31:15 but it takes knowledge to actually understand whats happening in the program in each section of ASM May 14 07:31:26 yes, yes it does May 14 07:31:34 i didn't care enough to try and learn it May 14 07:31:46 making anti-ban's for online games was always fun May 14 07:31:53 "ban this cheater"..."i tried" May 14 07:32:04 you must be talking about very simple games May 14 07:32:13 things that store lots of information client-side May 14 07:32:14 what is the point of the Contacts app? May 14 07:32:16 delta force black hawk down May 14 07:32:27 PrimerFender: I use it to go in and find someone or add someone May 14 07:32:29 no, its all server-side, which is what made it illegal :P May 14 07:32:33 or link contacts. May 14 07:32:44 linking contacts is all its for. May 14 07:32:44 it's not that you are clobbering #webos-internals, but just not using #webos-watercooler to its full potential guys ;) May 14 07:32:53 tell me how you use assembly to modify server-side code May 14 07:33:02 hmagoo: no one else is talking though :( May 14 07:33:02 I just use universal search, or edit on contacts.google.com May 14 07:33:16 yokken: packet editing. May 14 07:33:21 that's not asm buddy May 14 07:33:41 i didnt realize we were still on asm May 14 07:33:47 it's learning hexadecimal, what it's doing and why, and fixing it to work the way you want it to May 14 07:33:55 packet injection... nobody ever seemed to know how May 14 07:34:00 filters, though... mmm May 14 07:34:14 i used to hack around in gunbound and i made it so every time you skipped your turn, you got like 30,000 gold May 14 07:34:20 so simple, so awesome May 14 07:34:26 it was like 3 bits worth of hex May 14 07:34:27 there were ways to stop banning with memory editing though May 14 07:34:34 such as May 14 07:34:47 make the game think it kicked you by disabling your connection to the server. then enable it again. May 14 07:35:06 sounds like a really bad banning system May 14 07:35:13 extremely. May 14 07:35:17 it should be associated with IPs/usernames May 14 07:35:21 or both May 14 07:35:33 well, there was 3rd party software for that May 14 07:35:42 oh, and my favorite, THE SERVER CRASHER May 14 07:35:47 that was my favorite hack of them all. May 14 07:35:52 any connection to their server is immediately rerouted to an error saying you're banned and then denies all further connections May 14 07:35:58 you still haven't mentioned a game May 14 07:36:08 maplestory? May 14 07:36:13 delta force black hawk down was what i learned on May 14 07:36:19 never heard of it May 14 07:36:23 no one has. May 14 07:36:23 sounds lame May 14 07:36:39 i used to play this game called asperia, or something like that. it was legit. May 14 07:36:53 i wish they would've given me the source after they scrapped the project May 14 07:36:57 its 3:30 May 14 07:37:00 i need to sleep May 14 07:37:03 stupid women, bye. May 14 07:37:06 hahahaha May 14 07:37:08 later man May 14 07:37:22 oh, before i go May 14 07:37:29 i saw something on your wall about an evo May 14 07:37:31 you getting it? May 14 07:37:51 nah May 14 07:38:02 getting my pre replaced and waiting for LTE to come to minneapolis May 14 07:38:08 probably another year or so May 14 07:38:24 tisk tisk. ill go back to verizon eventually.y May 14 07:38:27 but yeah, bye. May 14 07:38:29 later May 14 07:39:32 i'm gonna see how many packets i can capture from the neighbors and fiddle around May 14 07:39:39 i'm pretty sure like 3 of them have WEP May 14 07:39:47 later #webos-internals <3 May 14 07:43:58 uploading music to pre via webdav @ 10mbps May 14 10:22:58 what's the conf file again in /etc for log files for WebOS? May 14 11:21:55 so I already updated wirc and it's service yesterday to 0.1.0, now today I notice 0.2.4 as a "new" app, I see the app I'd changed. should I just delete and reinstall? May 14 11:33:43 is this even working? lol May 14 11:36:27 just install the new one May 14 11:36:32 and it will clean out the old one May 14 11:40:01 thank you PuffTheMagic May 14 11:47:12 oh bummer, wirc should be supported in save/restore, have to set up all of my connections again lol May 14 11:51:27 does someone know where wirc saves that info? May 14 11:54:09 maybe $HOME/.wirc ? May 14 14:10:10 there's another new wirc? May 14 14:17:45 Hi everybody. I'm having troubles using Preware on Emulator 1.4.1-427 on Windows. Every time I want to install a patch, I get error "/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/patch: line 2: syntax error: ")" unexpected". I searched around and found that it was because I was trying to install an ARM package on a i686 architecture. Sounds reasonable... However, when I check in Preware, my feeds are correctly set to .../i86/... URLs. Does any of you have an idea May 14 14:28:21 RagingMind: yes May 14 14:28:33 RagingMind: it works pretty much same as the preware v1 May 14 14:28:49 the service is included in wirc so you don't have to install them separetly May 14 14:34:25 boo save/restore doesn't support wirc May 14 14:34:29 that would have been useful >.> May 14 14:38:55 write a plugin for it, vincentlaw May 14 14:39:21 hi all May 14 14:40:08 hi devo May 14 14:40:34 hows it going? May 14 14:40:48 good May 14 14:41:40 Is it possibly to get msn running through the messaging app? May 14 14:42:10 i thought so (with a different plugin) May 14 14:42:32 I saw the messaging plugins on precentral, but I don't see anything in preware May 14 14:43:03 ... its crazy how far along preware has come. I remember having to fight with quilt to drop in patches. Now if its more then a few clicks away I don't wanna bother May 14 14:43:58 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/233983-messaging-plugins-add-more-im-options-your-pre.html May 14 14:44:11 yea, thats the one I was looking at May 14 14:44:13 is it any good? May 14 14:44:21 haven't tried it yet May 14 14:55:11 en0x, I can't seem to find the new one in preware May 14 15:19:49 my pre has been locking up more in the past couple days :( May 14 15:19:57 http://www.sharenator.com/If_browsers_were_women/ May 14 15:21:26 hehe May 14 15:21:29 I can only find wirc 0.1 May 14 15:21:33 good stuff, puffthemagic May 14 15:21:36 is the new one in testing or something? May 14 15:21:51 should be out there on testing i beleive May 14 15:22:15 I did a full webosdoctor wipe of my Sprint Pre and installed Mobile Hotspot following this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/226490-how-install-mobile-hot-spot-sprint-pre-39.html#post2287155 and my other device can't get past "Obtaining Address" any ideas? May 14 15:24:14 I disabled the testing feed when they made the kernel feed... that explains why I can't find it anywhere May 14 15:25:06 I'm gonna have to set up all my Prefs again, aren't I? :( May 14 15:38:58 well it looks like my phone may have bit the dust last night, cant get DR to work, runs to 8%, screen on Pre flickers and DR says phone is disconnected, tried on Windows 7/ 23 & 64, and Vista 32 May 14 15:40:30 on online chat with palm now....keep trying the same steps over & over May 14 15:46:34 oh, heh didn't know the newer wirc was from the testing feed... May 14 16:08:06 so far this week I seem to get better GPS reception when it's cloudy May 14 16:10:00 i never had issues with gps May 14 16:10:13 i'm having some gps issues here and there May 14 16:10:19 with gowalla and foursquare May 14 16:11:20 I only have gps issues dependent on where I am. May 14 16:20:52 I'm sure it's coincidence but over the last week the only days that I did get a gps lock were when it was cloudy and windy May 14 16:21:35 all the bright sunny blue sky days seem to not work... May 14 16:21:44 hmm.. May 14 16:22:15 well I think it's more to do with cell tower and how your phone connects than sky May 14 16:22:17 until 2 minutes ago when I finally got a lock from my apartment window with ##gps# May 14 16:23:14 which service are you on? May 14 16:23:16 I suppose living in a city I could agree to google's term of service for their silly location thing... but that's google and I have a, probably irrational, disdain for them May 14 16:23:20 verizon May 14 16:23:35 I've been reading through ebag's thread about gps May 14 16:23:55 oh. well, did you read precentral's writeup on verizon's gps? May 14 16:24:01 Yup May 14 16:24:46 Yeah... =/ <-sprint May 14 16:25:33 I don't want to use google's service and I'd prefer to not use verizon's agps unless they open it up to everyone May 14 16:25:33 sprint rocks :P May 14 16:25:42 xD May 14 16:25:50 * oilsworkn has had no troubles with sprint May 14 16:25:59 so I the other GPS modes look very interesting to me but I don't have a windows computer to run qpst on May 14 16:26:12 * Ence agres May 14 16:26:28 hmm. May 14 16:26:56 there are days where it seems to get a normal gps lock and work really really well May 14 16:26:58 well did you install ebag's patch or just read his thread :o May 14 16:27:22 his patch fiddles with verizon's aGPS which I'm not gonna go May 14 16:27:23 *do May 14 16:27:54 yea I have no idea why. but I do know that my location seems to determine my gps lockability May 14 16:28:08 I think they should have the service enabled for everyone, but it is dependent on their servers and if they want to charge for them that's their choice May 14 16:28:10 and, *shrug* May 14 16:28:55 Hello May 14 16:28:57 I'll just find myself a windows computer and turn on some of the other modes that actually look useful :) May 14 16:29:01 this is why I say, verizon popularity= power of marketing. I have none of the issues on sprint my friends on VZ seem to have May 14 16:29:18 * Ence says hello to noradtux May 14 16:29:59 I would like to compile a QT-based application using the WIDK. Is that possible? May 14 16:30:51 who is qt guy, dtzWill? May 14 16:30:53 <-not techy enough to know May 14 16:32:43 woah that's cool :o didn't know I could view the channel topic by tapping the channel name May 14 16:32:52 *random comment* May 14 16:33:11 noradtux: i dont remember who did all the initial qt stuff May 14 16:33:32 oilsworkn: hmm May 14 16:33:33 i would defaintely inquire later when more people are awake in here May 14 16:33:39 ;) May 14 16:33:40 maybe someone will know May 14 16:33:55 Ence: wirc has done that for a while xD May 14 16:33:58 when are most ppl *awake*? May 14 16:34:01 all I can find are ready binaries, but no headers whatsoever May 14 16:34:13 noradtux: what are you looking for? May 14 16:34:22 you've checked git? May 14 16:34:37 zsoc: hes wanting to do qt stuff May 14 16:34:50 my current location is outside of my GPS horizontal accuracy :( May 14 16:36:01 o May 14 16:36:36 it is weird that the git only has binaries in it May 14 16:36:43 thats no good May 14 16:39:23 that's exactly my problem ;) May 14 16:39:44 it's nice that I can try the demos .. but I'd like to do something myself :) May 14 16:40:22 yeah, im sorry, i don't know who to ping for ya :/ May 14 16:40:39 rwhitby would know, but i think its still middle of the night there May 14 16:41:37 I'll check back later then May 14 16:41:43 ... much later ;) May 14 16:42:27 good luck May 14 16:44:29 ~seen rwhitby May 14 16:44:32 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 52 messages. Is idling for 10h 37m 33s, last said: 'out of network coverage for 2 days :)'. May 14 16:45:42 lol. May 14 16:46:23 well, yeah May 14 16:47:20 hello, i have created the wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor-FR but now I want to get NVRAM Tokens from my french Palm Pre Plus to update the webpage http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery, how to do it ? May 14 16:52:23 * phil_bw wanders by May 14 16:53:33 man I want to make a $30 donation to webos-internals but the BoraWare bank account appears to only have about $18 in it (and a domain name is coming up to expire) May 14 16:54:37 lol. donate...15$? xD May 14 16:54:48 domains are $12 May 14 16:54:55 :( May 14 16:55:13 uh...5$ :D May 14 16:55:13 guess I need to finish this commercial app so I can donate 10% of it's sales May 14 16:57:10 srsly May 14 16:57:59 oh wow, there's money in my paypal account, wonder how long that's been kickin around... only $15 but that's a start :) May 14 16:59:02 I just realized a "flaw" within webos' multitask o_o; inability to change order of cards.. oh well May 14 16:59:24 but you can change the order ... May 14 16:59:28 wait i'm retarded. yes it can. May 14 16:59:40 yes you can May 14 16:59:52 it's just way too easy :) May 14 17:00:23 I never tried it before...i spoke too soon. can't in big card, but can in small card mode May 14 17:00:55 * Ence feels retarded May 14 17:06:53 lol May 14 17:07:02 that would have been one major flaw May 14 17:08:14 ok so I was at shack to get touchstone for 20 bucks May 14 17:08:26 and there was this song "rythm is a dancer" playing May 14 17:08:34 and when I was walking out the shack guy was like May 14 17:08:42 iphone, iphone is a dancer May 14 17:08:49 and I was like WTF in my mind May 14 17:08:50 ..... May 14 17:08:57 what a weirdo May 14 17:11:17 dangit. should have plugged phone to charge earlier... May 14 17:11:28 Ence: i thought the same thing May 14 17:21:11 woo, did my part and donated. BoraWare may be broke and I may be unemployed so I donated some of my wife's hard earned money. She has a Pre as well so she'll understand :P May 14 17:22:18 lol. you mean you hope? jk. May 14 17:22:47 it'll be fine May 14 17:25:08 a week later: "what happened to phil_bw?" "i think his wife killed him" May 14 17:25:18 haha May 14 17:25:36 I asked first, asked if I could "borrow" the money May 14 17:25:42 BoraWare will repay it... when it makes something May 14 17:26:20 lol May 14 17:26:50 i hope there's no birthdays/anniversary coming up. elsewise she may think you're buying a present :P May 14 17:27:38 and may end up annoyed upon discovery of real montary usage May 14 17:29:37 lol May 14 17:29:46 "honey, i borrowed money to buy you something nice" May 14 17:29:49 "your welcome" May 14 17:29:59 haha May 14 17:30:12 "think of the poor starving homebrew developers" May 14 17:30:14 "its the thought that counts, right?" May 14 17:30:52 like we see any of the donations? May 14 17:31:02 it all goes towards rwhitbys golden palace May 14 17:31:08 haha May 14 17:31:18 I'd hope you guys would see part of it May 14 17:31:21 lol May 14 17:31:39 which I say you guys and here I am working on a webos-internals project May 14 17:31:46 yeah, we got some dev pres May 14 17:31:49 so yeah, where's my part rod? May 14 17:31:52 (kidding of course) May 14 17:32:57 I think an awesome thing to do would be to also see what you various devs need as far as your equipment setup is concerned and help with that May 14 17:33:24 like if your computer is lacking in ram, etc May 14 17:33:28 lol May 14 17:33:47 so srsly, where do donations go? don't tell me it's all wiki website and server costs... May 14 17:34:05 * oilsworkn doesn't handle the finances May 14 17:34:27 it's all kept in an offshore bank account May 14 17:34:59 * Ence stares at his bank account May 14 17:35:19 i could donate a few maybe... May 14 17:36:03 we've bought like 6 or 7 dev pre's/pixi's for core devs May 14 17:36:18 and the server costs are probably the largest part May 14 17:36:22 I went with $30 for this reason: "I wanted to remind everyone of the "Top Homebrew Supporter" distinction. Every individual who donates a combined total of at least $30 during the course of this telethon earns the honor." May 14 17:36:50 all the downloads of packages in preware/qi all go through the servers May 14 17:36:57 * halfhalo_T400 is broke May 14 17:37:11 get a job May 14 17:37:12 mainly to make a point to other commercial devs that they can also support the homebrew community May 14 17:37:34 * halfhalo_T400 has a job May 14 17:37:45 get a better job xD May 14 17:37:46 * halfhalo_T400 just spent all his money for his camera though May 14 17:37:54 lol May 14 17:38:07 thats a lie. I spent all my money from the paycheck I have yet to get on my camera May 14 17:38:24 lolol May 14 17:38:30 how many picture have you taken? May 14 17:38:54 * oilsworkn makes an effort to never spend money he doesn't have May 14 17:39:14 oilsworkn, I was the same way, then I married someone with a lot of credit cards May 14 17:39:19 * halfhalo_T400 is going to send rwhitby his touchstone cover in leu of donating.... but before that he has to get a car to go to the post office May 14 17:39:25 wth is this supporter distinction anyway...a mention on front page? May 14 17:39:26 Camera gets here tuesday May 14 17:39:32 haven't touched one in years now, but early in the marriage we sure lived nice May 14 17:39:49 lol, because of the $30 thing, i think most donations are exactly $30 now May 14 17:39:59 or, they donated $5 before, now they donate $35 to get the total to 30 May 14 17:40:07 they should have made the cutoff 50 or something, haha May 14 17:40:09 My issue with credit cards is I want to pay it off immediatly May 14 17:40:14 what's the $30 thing? May 14 17:40:16 phil_bw, I cut mine up... May 14 17:40:16 * phil_bw slaps oilsworkn with a calculator May 14 17:40:24 credit cards ... *shudders* May 14 17:40:25 * halfhalo_T400 just slaps oilsworkn May 14 17:40:38 ka6sox, yeah I did too May 14 17:40:56 i dont even have any credit cards May 14 17:40:58 just debit May 14 17:41:08 Well, I've been using a debit card, but need to build up some credit May 14 17:41:09 if any of you suck with money and have time for a class I recommend "Financial Peace University" (especially for couples that can't agree on how to deal with their money) May 14 17:41:20 i only have one to have good credit for buying house/car May 14 17:41:28 "especially for couples that can't agree on how to deal with their money" May 14 17:41:39 like where the husband steals all the wifes money to send it to a bunch of nerds? May 14 17:41:45 haha May 14 17:41:52 shut it May 14 17:41:54 I like that plan May 14 17:41:56 lol May 14 17:42:03 oil, do your debit cards get you points or cash back? May 14 17:42:09 no May 14 17:42:14 I'm going to ammend my donation "none of this $30 can go to oil 'cause he's pissin me off" May 14 17:42:17 mine doesn't either May 14 17:42:19 ohhh, that's the main reason i use credit May 14 17:42:24 free stuff May 14 17:42:25 Although my new cc does! May 14 17:42:30 free stuff? May 14 17:42:33 Although its a college card and the rates are high May 14 17:42:34 you're more then paying for it im sure May 14 17:42:40 flights, cash, gift cards May 14 17:42:41 that easy for me. goes something like "wanna buy this?" "can we afford it?" "yes" "ok sure then" May 14 17:42:49 i don't pay for the cards, no May 14 17:43:07 I have 1% cashback that goes straight to savings May 14 17:43:12 my wife and I had the biggest problem of going out to eat a lot... could drop $50+ on dinner regularly... that added up quick May 14 17:43:17 along with half of my paycheck each month May 14 17:43:21 i take that pack, i JUST got a card that i pay for... $80 a year May 14 17:43:43 but that got me 100k miles on british airways, so i'll get two international round trips out of it May 14 17:43:53 lol May 14 17:44:27 alaska airlines cc is nice. i haven't paid for a flight home in years May 14 17:44:29 but i pay off my cards every month, so i don't worry about it too much May 14 17:44:56 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/14/red-dot-sight-for-hotshoes-makes-shooting-tangos-a-viewfinder-fr/ May 14 17:44:58 WANT May 14 17:45:40 lol May 14 17:45:46 phil_bw: i see. i've experienced that before, though luckily not severe May 14 17:46:50 oh dangg... don't do it halo xD May 14 17:47:13 but... I wants it! Can't afford it, but wants it! May 14 17:47:26 halfhalo_T400, put it on a credit card? May 14 17:47:54 Nah, don't like putting stuff on it I can't pay off in full May 14 17:48:32 i have an idea :o make a million apps that each follow you favorite sports team... May 14 17:48:41 Been done May 14 17:49:09 yeah /sarcasm May 14 17:49:14 haahhah May 14 17:49:30 i wish you could ban software devs for that reason May 14 17:50:05 you'd feel either incredibly horrible or extremely giddy every time you use it May 14 17:50:53 i asked this in webos as well, but anyone here good with contacts lookup? May 14 17:52:03 i wonder what would happen if someone made an app that was like a "please donate to my new camera fund" app May 14 18:02:42 oil, I like the new wirc May 14 18:03:37 I do too :] May 14 18:04:19 thats good May 14 18:04:21 HattCzech: did u enable my lag meter ? May 14 18:04:50 I did enable it, where's it show? May 14 18:05:00 is it the icon color? May 14 18:05:16 yeah May 14 18:05:28 red bad green good May 14 18:05:42 just two colors huh May 14 18:05:45 very nice. yellow right now. it was red May 14 18:05:46 no May 14 18:05:48 the spectrum May 14 18:06:14 well it's been green this whole time in class. this is a good sign :) May 14 18:06:20 u on wifi? May 14 18:06:22 can you "colorize" an image on the fly? May 14 18:06:36 HattCzech: no that is a static image map May 14 18:06:42 now I can also see where evo sucks in my school May 14 18:06:53 HattCzech: i colored individual images and oil made it 1 image May 14 18:07:00 gotcha May 14 18:07:47 looks orange right now. how many shades are there? May 14 18:07:57 it goes from red to green May 14 18:08:03 with all the normal colors May 14 18:08:07 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=images/network-lag.png;hb=HEAD May 14 18:08:08 so May 14 18:08:11 5 -ish May 14 18:08:16 roygbiv? :p May 14 18:08:20 o. May 14 18:08:37 red orange yellow green May 14 18:08:43 and stages inbetween May 14 18:08:48 i forget how i did it exactly May 14 18:08:55 i posted the image... May 14 18:09:14 oh yeah May 14 18:09:15 ^ up there May 14 18:09:16 like that May 14 18:09:17 lol May 14 18:09:26 oilsworkn: actually May 14 18:09:30 we could make it simpler May 14 18:09:34 if i make it the negative May 14 18:09:42 and we use css color for the background May 14 18:09:50 and change color with js May 14 18:10:04 that would be cool May 14 18:10:13 add it to the pregs May 14 18:10:15 prefs May 14 18:10:19 for diff color schemes May 14 18:10:23 but even with 5, the difference is subtle May 14 18:10:23 cool ice May 14 18:10:24 heat May 14 18:10:32 there is more important things that need to be done in the service before that gets changed May 14 18:10:39 ya ya May 14 18:11:11 so do any of you guys have any experience with listening for keydown events? I've been fighting with them with no luck May 14 18:11:25 trying to catch enter? May 14 18:11:34 no actually May 14 18:11:36 oohhh, turned lime-green for a second there. :) May 14 18:11:43 trying to catch all keys (without a text field) May 14 18:11:51 lol May 14 18:12:31 I can still see the code in my head on how to do this in PalmOS May 14 18:12:52 but I can't for anything convince it to do it in WebOS May 14 18:13:08 so far my code looks like this: this.handleKeyDown = this.onKeyDown.bindAsEventListener(this); May 14 18:13:08 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document, "keydown", this.handleKeyDown, true); May 14 18:16:06 looking good so far, phil_bw May 14 18:16:07 Mojo.Event.keypress doesn't work? May 14 18:16:28 does it? lemme try that May 14 18:16:57 and the function might be this.handleKeyDown.bind(this) May 14 18:17:43 I was just copying from a "working" example on the palm dev boards May 14 18:17:46 oh sorry... bindAsEventListener(this) May 14 18:18:24 still nothing May 14 18:18:56 * oilsworkn hates dealing with that crap May 14 18:19:42 I don't blame you. I'm still trying to figure out this stupid contact issue May 14 18:19:59 bleh. dark skin for wirc doesn't like sunlight =/ had to switch to default May 14 18:20:20 PuffTheMagic, any plans to have the new wIRC import the settings from the old one? May 14 18:21:28 lol May 14 18:21:48 oh also, for some reason installing the new wIRCd makes wIRC not work until you either do a reboot or uninstall-install May 14 18:23:19 phil_bw: any details what's not working? got errors? May 14 18:23:30 so I fi declare it: Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document, Mojo.Event.keydown, this.handleKeyDown.bind(this), true); May 14 18:23:35 it works fine, but won't stop listening May 14 18:24:22 yes May 14 18:24:47 stopping will work if you use: this.handleKeyDown = this.onKeyDown.bindAsEventListener(this); May 14 18:25:03 because you need this.handleKeyDown for the stopListening call May 14 18:25:20 that's how I originally had it and it wouldn't *start* listening... May 14 18:25:30 hmm May 14 18:25:43 can you post your code? e.g on pastie.org? May 14 18:25:58 lemme try one more thing May 14 18:26:21 put a stop in your cleanup May 14 18:26:36 why cleanup? May 14 18:26:37 xD May 14 18:26:41 hahaah May 14 18:27:07 i made the mistake of not cleaning up... not sure what exactly went wrong, but decided to fix it after that May 14 18:29:22 I am pretty sure my pre is a goner, only thing I can into is a command line novaterm, to view some of the internal settings, i am trying to get into USB mode, but it wont even get that far May 14 18:30:39 swisstomcat, I'm going to carry my webos dev woes over to #webos May 14 18:31:50 is the optware server up? May 14 18:32:02 somehow i am having trouble getting python from there May 14 18:32:14 and also updates are failing May 14 18:32:30 mikepre: sucks. time for a visit to the doctor? =/ May 14 18:37:32 tried 5 doctors today May 14 18:37:39 1.4.1.1 fails at 8% eveyr time May 14 18:37:53 1.4.1 loads, but pre stays in Palm logo loop May 14 18:37:54 that generally means you have some hardware problems May 14 18:38:01 thats what I am thinking May 14 18:38:11 they refer to the pre as "unbrickable" for good reason May 14 18:38:25 as long as you dont modify firmware it should always be recoverable May 14 18:38:29 but I dont want to be w/o phone for 5-7 days, or pay the advanced fee, or use the equipment replacement May 14 18:38:48 what would be considered modifying firmware? May 14 18:38:56 flashing a rom? :P May 14 18:39:09 doctoring is not considering firmware modification May 14 18:39:16 never, May 14 18:39:20 what does that mean May 14 18:39:51 it was fine till i went to bed last night, woke up and it was in the loop....i wasnt even using it... May 14 18:40:08 thats why i said it sounds like a hardware issue to me May 14 18:40:14 im one of the lucky ones May 14 18:40:17 i have a first gen pre May 14 18:40:24 thats been dropped on concrete about a hundred times May 14 18:40:29 and my phone works flawless May 14 18:43:55 I am on my 3rd currently, but if I want to stick with it, I will be on my 4th after I visit my sprint store today May 14 18:44:02 and they tell me it cant be flashed, and replace it May 14 18:44:15 without looking at any file system thta I hope is not readable anymore May 14 18:47:57 what is odd, is that the DR for 1.3.5 and 1.4.0 both load fine on my pre, but when it finishes, it then goes to the Palm Logo loop, but 1.4.1.1 it wont get past the 8% w/o it looping on the screen and saying phone disconnected May 14 19:59:00 hello all! May 14 19:59:13 hello May 14 19:59:16 been away for awhile finally got a momment to comesay hi May 14 20:00:32 dtzWill: hello!!! any exciting stuff with X? May 14 20:01:08 hi phil_bw like wise any updates in your window manager May 14 20:07:25 g'night everyone May 14 20:08:18 howdy Jack87 May 14 20:08:36 hello ka6sox-work !! nice to see you May 14 20:09:13 ya, been a while. May 14 20:10:32 ka6sox-work: yup. I had to get my phone replaced and was a little busy to mess with homebrew for a while there May 14 20:10:51 how have you been? May 14 20:11:41 Busy, between work and playing with this stuff I've not had much time.. May 14 20:12:39 ka6sox-work: any new excitment i might be behind on happening? May 14 20:13:22 for those on VZ lol http://www.precentral.net/verizon-promises-fix-gps-issues-webos May 14 20:14:49 Jack87, read pre-central for all the latest snooze. May 14 20:14:57 I'm just working in my little corner. May 14 20:16:02 ka6sox-work: haha ya i been glimpsing the pre-central homepage nothing too exciting havent been exploring the forums though. hope you been well May 14 20:16:34 not getting enough sleep due to work issues, but having fun with the pre. May 14 20:33:00 http://thiagossantos.blogspot.com/2010/05/gst-opencv-design-choices.html May 14 20:33:06 anybody have this working on Pre? May 14 20:35:13 ka6sox-work: excitement is rising with rumors of new webos devices May 14 20:36:04 that would be nice May 14 20:38:08 ka6sox-work: with the HP slates rumored to only be running webos soon... seems kind of odd to me why not dual boot May 14 20:39:21 maybe they could get rid of the Atom and go to something that is a LOT lower power. May 14 20:39:21 doesn't it have a new name soon? May 14 20:39:31 *too May 14 20:40:12 Watching rumormongering never ceases to be amusing May 14 20:57:54 hehe chrisa we like to dream ok! May 14 21:23:47 Are there any tweaks that improve performance of my palm pre? May 14 21:24:08 my pre seems slow and I would like for it to be faster May 14 21:27:33 new kernel May 14 21:27:37 i am trying to install preware i just got my palm pre (sprint) May 14 21:27:44 you can overclock your processor May 14 21:28:32 i have the phone in developermode May 14 21:29:11 where do i find the webOS quick install? May 14 21:29:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware May 14 21:29:20 Do you just want preware? May 14 21:29:31 If so, just follow that boostrap command May 14 21:29:34 what else is there? May 14 21:29:34 *boot May 14 21:29:59 haha, that's a good slogan May 14 21:30:09 "Do you just want preware?" >"What else is there?" May 14 21:30:31 the guy at the store said that the first thing i should do is get preware so i googled it May 14 21:30:44 i am glad this week is over May 14 21:30:54 someone should really make a bit.ly link to WQI May 14 21:31:06 go for it May 14 21:31:08 what does "overclock your processor" mean? May 14 21:31:36 I already have preware May 14 21:31:57 ok so can i do this straight from my phone? or do i have to download to my computer then phone? May 14 21:32:00 it means making the cpu clock run quicker, running more instructions per second May 14 21:32:11 nicci, computer -> phone using webos quick install May 14 21:32:17 directions on the page i linked should be helpful May 14 21:32:28 nicci: webos quick install is a java application on your desktop. it can be used to install applications or it can install preware which can then be used on the phone May 14 21:32:52 thank you! i will have to do it once i get home can not use work computer for that..lol May 14 21:33:10 are there any dangers of "overclocking"? May 14 21:34:28 what are some of the best apps for the pre? i just got mine yesterday May 14 21:34:42 look at chrisa helping people install preware :) May 14 21:35:00 djbeats: it does lower the full lifespan of the processor, but seeing as in 6 months to a year you will most likely get a new phone, the processor should definitely hold out that long if not longer. May 14 21:35:48 nicci: answers to your questions can easily be found at precentral.net check out the forums. as for best apps... just install preware and then all the apps you find useful to you May 14 21:35:50 Main apps I use are lets see... Pandora, Powernap, Wirc and TweetMe May 14 21:36:20 drpodder May 14 21:36:28 thank you! May 14 21:37:14 chrisa: whats powernap? May 14 21:37:31 Makes it easy to set a quick alarm for X minutes or hours from now May 14 21:37:33 * oilsworkn assumes its some sort of clock/alarm/timer app that wakes you up after your nap? May 14 21:37:48 I use it for mornings when I really don't want to wake up when my alarm goes off, but can't be bothered to make a new real alarm May 14 21:37:59 lol May 14 21:38:27 chrisa: cool. i just hit the snooze button till it stops ringing again May 14 21:38:36 snooze is a mere 15 minutes May 14 21:38:52 10 May 14 21:38:59 My alarm goes off at 8 but sometimes I don't get to work until 10:30. You do the math May 14 21:39:32 i have my alarm go off at 12 but i get up at around 1pm or later... May 14 21:39:40 (currently dont have much to do during the summer) May 14 21:39:49 so whats the best way to overclock my processor a little with preware? May 14 21:40:28 uberkernel? is that what is recommended now days? May 14 21:40:51 uberkernel+govnah May 14 21:41:27 i should probably do that. currently have the 800MHz patch installed. May 14 21:41:52 i isntalled it like a day before uberkernel+govnah were officially out May 14 21:42:54 sux May 14 21:43:01 i hear people like the screenstate governor May 14 21:43:07 500 when screen off, 800 when on May 14 21:43:09 or something like that May 14 21:43:15 ooh, thats cool May 14 21:43:42 it should be downclocked evern further when the screen is off. May 14 21:43:48 like 800 on 300 off. May 14 21:47:48 i think you can do that May 14 21:50:26 hm ipkg.preware.org isn't resolving for me May 14 21:54:18 works 4 me May 14 21:54:32 Seems to be ok now May 14 21:57:46 oilsworkn: hello! May 14 21:58:17 hey May 14 21:58:46 hey to who? May 14 21:59:08 question http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel I have not been following uberkernel much or even preware lately... but the last point in the link talking about preware alpha i believe is obsolet now May 14 22:00:51 so fix it May 14 22:01:12 i would take the curtacy to update it but like i said i have not been following the development so not sure what to put May 14 22:01:45 but i am researching now so i will probably get to it if i have a clue of whats going on haha May 14 22:01:50 ok May 14 22:02:09 any insight oil? May 14 22:02:29 it could probably just be completely deleted May 14 22:02:47 or something like "upgrade to preware1" May 14 22:02:51 roger that... will do. So does new preware 1.0+ inlude kernel feed May 14 22:02:58 i think so May 14 22:04:26 done May 14 22:06:42 kernels are both in the webosinternals and webosinternals-testing feed May 14 22:06:46 yup it does include it May 14 22:33:49 Which feed is uberkernel in now? I'm only seeing govnuh May 14 22:34:16 chrisa: have u updated preware to 1.0 May 14 22:34:17 the kernel feed? May 14 22:34:23 yes, 1.0 May 14 22:34:31 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/ May 14 22:34:32 then yes... the kernel feed May 14 22:35:06 oh I see the problem May 14 22:35:21 chrisa: did you have kernel feed turned off? May 14 22:35:23 Silly version autodetect May 14 22:35:35 haha May 14 22:35:45 yeah, its setup like the patch feed May 14 22:39:16 oil what are some of the changes in wirc May 14 22:40:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC#Changes_in_0.1.0 May 14 22:40:52 :) May 14 22:41:05 you are my hero May 14 22:41:22 does it have the extra 1000 options you were telling me about a month ago May 14 22:41:46 hm? May 14 22:42:27 well whatever that new version is 0.2.4 or something May 14 22:42:33 is the exact same as 0.1.0 May 14 22:42:36 except in one package May 14 22:42:48 and 0.1.0 is practically the same as its been for the last like 4 months May 14 22:44:12 * Jack87 is trying uberkernel May 14 22:44:47 * Jack87 understands that uberkernel does nothing unless used with govnor app May 14 22:44:47 Jack87: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=shortlog May 14 22:45:02 thanks oil May 14 22:50:18 is there any other low level formatting that can be done, lower than a WebOR Dr? Been w/o my Pre for almost 12 hrs and I am goign through withdrawl!!! May 14 22:50:32 what happened? May 14 22:51:10 it was runnign fine last ngiht at 1130, put it on my nightstand, and when I woke up, it was looping on the Palm logo.... May 14 22:51:27 sux May 14 22:51:36 tried Dr. 1.4.1.1 and it kept stopping at 8% when the palm logo looped May 14 22:51:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery May 14 22:51:58 deadPre: follow that link May 14 22:52:27 ok, I am reading it now, i was able to get into the novacmd and run some of those commands before, but didnt have that li nk May 14 22:53:01 deadPre: hopefully that will help May 14 22:54:45 At this time this operation has not been performed on a Pixi, and will not be the same as it has a different core. May 14 22:54:55 no, Pixi is probably different method May 14 22:55:07 so, if i need to install a patch that depends on org.webosinternals.ipkgservice, what should i do? the patch is org.webosinternals.patches.phone-call-duration-in-call-log. will it hurt to install it with -nodeps ? May 14 22:55:32 dBsooner: your patch is broken! May 14 22:55:34 okay, that's what that just said May 14 22:56:46 so sprint replaced my pre, and so far preware+save/restore+preware saved package list is working great for me May 14 22:57:09 yeah May 14 22:57:13 i just went through that May 14 22:57:15 still sad that call log and sms/im history is not able to be imported, but I'll live May 14 22:57:21 though found myself clearing the saved list after reinstalling May 14 22:57:34 it was causing preware wonkyness May 14 22:57:36 i'm installing stuff on the saved list one at a time May 14 22:57:42 thats how i did it May 14 22:58:04 sprint gave me a refurb with 1.4.1.1 already on it May 14 22:58:22 my replacement (idk if referb) had it as well May 14 22:58:27 * uNiXpSyChO tip-toes by May 14 22:58:37 keyboard and slider both notabely improved over my launch day pre May 14 22:58:48 same here May 14 22:58:49 cool, with this it should be possible to boot any bootloader without flashing, http://markmail.org/download.xqy?id=l4qabusyxcqsslwn&number=1 May 14 22:58:55 oil: ##786# will tell you refurb status May 14 22:58:59 and it seems to be much better with noticing when i unplug headsets May 14 22:59:09 (omap3_usb.tar.bz2) May 14 22:59:47 what causes the delay in preware after installing a patch that requires a luna restart and clicking later? everytime I hit later, luna seems to hang for 1-2 seconds May 14 22:59:58 reconddate: 04262010 May 14 23:00:02 did you try pre backup utility? May 14 23:00:16 PullingJ: thats rescan fail May 14 23:00:23 that worked for restoring my call/sms logs after a doctor (but that's on the same phone) May 14 23:00:27 ah May 14 23:00:29 unfortunately, there is nothing we can do May 14 23:00:34 its not our problem :/ May 14 23:01:23 HattCzech|work: i didn't have much luck with pre backup utility in the past (months ago) and I'm wary of all the warnings of using palmdatabase's from different phones May 14 23:02:17 so i'll just save the databases (from the 2 times i doctored and when I got this phone) just in case there is some way to export and reimport the call log and sms/im history May 14 23:03:34 and ipkg-opt update is faling for me, too... 404 on http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages.gz' May 14 23:04:24 well all the directories under cs08q1armel appear to be empty May 14 23:04:36 geist: how long does Pre wait for ram boot if booted with usb plugged in? May 14 23:04:48 fair enough, yeah, i haven't tried cross-phone imports yet May 14 23:06:12 goodbye folk May 14 23:08:20 is there a way for an average joe like me to submit save file location for save/restore for apps that I own? May 14 23:08:50 FYI, in case anyone ever gets hosed with the latest dr. i rolled back to 1.2 DR, whcih i still had, and it completed and loaded fine, I am now loading the 1.4.1.1 one and hoping May 14 23:12:29 deadPre: did you have to do usbload? May 14 23:37:56 tmzt: which ram boot do you mean? May 14 23:38:05 do you mean the low level omap loader? May 14 23:38:07 omap3_usbload May 14 23:38:08 yeah May 14 23:38:19 not much. like 100ms or so May 14 23:38:21 it's pretty fast May 14 23:38:52 can someone give me a link to download preware? i keep getting articles on how to do it but where do i find the webos May 14 23:39:15 it just puts a binary into ram and executes it? May 14 23:39:40 there's probably something on a TI website I can look at thanks May 14 23:39:46 ajaj: http://install.preware.org ? May 14 23:40:01 thank you May 14 23:40:09 i can't stop watching this wedding dj youtube video .. May 14 23:47:38 oil: wirc (0.2.4) in the about section... says 'unknown' for service version May 14 23:47:43 thought you'd like to know May 14 23:47:55 i'm out, see y'all later May 15 00:56:16 woo-hoo. i'm in last place for top downloaded patches =) May 15 00:57:00 doesnt that mean your patch is downloaded least of all? May 15 00:58:39 no, just last in rwhitby's post of sample top patches downloaded May 15 00:58:50 not a big deal but still funny May 15 00:59:56 jhojho: zomg link? May 15 01:28:45 anyone know how Blackberry's model/naming scheme is supposed to work? May 15 01:49:32 VincentLaw: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/246020-open-source-homebrew-hot-apps-patches.html#post2445753 May 15 01:52:58 aw that needs more updating for this year lol May 15 02:37:53 q **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 15 02:59:56 2010