**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 16 02:59:57 2010 May 16 03:00:22 it doesn't install it's a stand alone program. you just double click on it from the folder May 16 03:00:35 what folder May 16 03:00:54 the folder you downloaded it too May 16 03:01:13 oh okk May 16 03:01:38 i double click it and click save May 16 03:02:05 btw my webos doctor is done installinq do i press open folder or cancel May 16 03:03:05 cancel since when you download quick you then open that folder May 16 03:03:56 you double click on the webos quickinstall once it's done downloading May 16 03:04:47 ok i need download webos quickinstall kuz i have no idea where it is at ALL May 16 03:07:30 http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-homebrew-apps/wosqi/WebOSQuickInstall.jar May 16 03:09:50 I should of prob kept quiet May 16 03:26:04 i have webos quick install running what do i do May 16 03:26:44 connect the pixi to pc with usb cable May 16 03:27:27 i did May 16 03:28:03 click on the down arrow May 16 03:28:20 inside of quick install May 16 03:29:15 then pick the webos internals feed pixi May 16 03:29:54 its telling me my device isnt connected May 16 03:30:16 then the pixi isn't in developer mode. May 16 03:30:16 I just installed uberkernal/govnah and had a question. does govnah have to always be running in order for it to regulate the clock speed? May 16 03:30:36 no you can close it after you set it May 16 03:31:22 choose "just charge" when you plug ur phone in May 16 03:31:40 (i got disconnected. didnt see if anyone answered my question) May 16 03:31:56 ok so i plugged my pixi in do i press usb or just charqe May 16 03:32:22 just charge May 16 03:34:17 bah, just doctored to get around "signed out of palm profile" and getting ready to start installing things and it happened again...damn. May 16 03:35:07 ok so webos quick install says my device isnt connected and it is and my pixi is in developer mode May 16 03:35:24 that sux. haven't experienced that myself May 16 03:35:29 did you click on just charge May 16 03:35:42 yes May 16 03:36:20 close out quick install and load it again while phone is connected May 16 03:37:18 i pressed the plus button and i put my pixi in usb mode.. i found my device now what May 16 03:37:59 can you click on the down arrow May 16 03:37:59 others getting signed out of their palm profile today? May 16 03:38:23 i dont have novacom do i need it May 16 03:39:14 if it didn't install when you plugged the fone in the usb then you are not in developer mode May 16 03:40:41 im on the developer mode screen and its switch is pushed to the on side May 16 03:41:04 did it restart the cell when you did it May 16 03:41:40 yea May 16 03:42:28 when you plug the usb from the cell into the pc make sure you select just charge May 16 03:42:56 im qoinq to put my fone into developer mode agen May 16 03:42:59 @dread I havent May 16 03:45:20 when quick install ask me what device to use what do i say emulater? May 16 03:45:58 no May 16 03:46:15 USB May 16 03:47:44 my fone says my device is in developer mode and that i kan use palm mojo tools to connect to the device May 16 03:48:56 does that matter? May 16 03:49:08 no May 16 03:50:04 can you click on the down arrow now May 16 03:52:15 it still says it isnt connected im going to try again tomorrow May 16 03:52:29 but if it does work then what happens? May 16 03:53:26 down arrow then pick webos internals testing feed pixi then look for preware in the apps section May 16 03:54:01 okk what about the other apps it has May 16 03:54:01 try a different USB port May 16 03:54:38 yeah sometimes 1 port doesn't load up the drivers properly May 16 03:54:49 and hubs don't work good May 16 03:56:01 they'll be listed when you gain access to the down arrow May 16 03:56:55 what are hubs May 16 03:58:00 the devices you plug in 1 usb and get 4 on the other end May 16 04:00:18 no i dnt have that OMFG ITS NOT FRIKKEN WORKINGGG May 16 04:01:08 are you using Windows? May 16 04:01:31 YEA May 16 04:02:24 when you plug in the pixi to usb do you click on the just charge May 16 04:02:48 click start, select run, type services.msc and hit enter. May 16 04:03:24 in the list look fo Palm Novacom May 16 04:03:42 makes sure the status says Started May 16 04:08:58 it says started May 16 04:10:58 im qoin 2 bed b bakk 2morro lmfaoo May 16 04:12:25 hmm, seems turning on wifi signs me out of my palm profile (which means a automatic reboot and select language on restart). May 16 04:14:08 is the USB passthru patch in preware? May 16 04:17:17 yes May 16 04:21:52 so I guess no one uses Tweed May 16 04:22:46 SavaLord: i use tweed May 16 04:23:16 been trying to delete 1 of two accounts I set up May 16 04:26:16 I don't have that account anymore and it won't let me go to the page where it says remove account. May 16 04:29:26 welcome back May 16 04:30:02 :) not much going on in here May 16 04:31:17 nope just deleted and now reinstalling tweed May 16 04:31:27 the telethon really succeeded. May 16 04:31:56 took in quite a bit of money May 16 04:32:10 wish I could of donated but I have absolutely no money May 16 04:33:12 I wasn't able to either :-/ May 16 04:33:31 well others did, and its about 6,000 dollars now, so i dont think you have to worry :P May 16 04:33:46 that's not the point May 16 04:34:21 I will donate later when I have something to donate May 16 04:34:55 Donated to Jason R some months ago. still have others I need to donate to May 16 04:37:13 jason is bad ass May 16 04:38:17 does anyone mess around with making themes May 16 04:40:30 I haven't, just wallpapers May 16 04:42:04 ugh May 16 04:42:49 ugh? May 16 04:43:12 you guys, ive asked this multiple times, but im just so conflicted. should i get the evo. May 16 04:43:15 I hate using remote desktop over ssh. May 16 04:43:23 how about this. NO. May 16 04:43:25 lol May 16 04:43:39 haha, NO as well May 16 04:43:41 why woud you want android May 16 04:44:47 I say NO also May 16 04:49:20 ugh.. sloooooow May 16 04:49:43 the one thing the homebrew telethon should of showed you is how much people care about webos May 16 04:49:53 @Decimate: so I guess you won't be getting it if ur depending on our opinions May 16 04:50:21 and the developers behind it May 16 04:50:24 webos has quite the community, glad to have been a part of it May 16 04:50:45 don't forget we won the march madness May 16 04:52:32 and that was going head to head with the N1 and droid May 16 05:01:45 well, either way, im keeping my pre. May 16 05:01:54 im just replacing it as my main phone :P May 16 05:02:18 if i dont like it, oh well, but it looks sweet, nice cameras, just overall nice. May 16 05:05:51 I think he shouldn't even ask since his mind is made up May 16 05:06:36 not in a webos channel either, we're biased May 16 05:07:09 true May 16 05:15:41 the god of uberkern has gone to bed lol May 16 05:16:33 haha May 16 05:16:58 he's been working on trying to figure out how to figure out how to know you are on the TS. May 16 05:16:59 :D May 16 05:17:17 (well how the kernel can know) May 16 05:18:39 has to do with the screenstate governer May 16 05:19:32 SavaLord, yup... May 16 05:19:52 I now KNOW where the Dragons live...and it surrounded by a moat. May 16 05:25:48 ol May 16 05:25:51 lol May 16 05:27:42 so which guy is doing modeswitcher? May 16 05:27:47 Yoppo was it? May 16 05:28:53 yeah, that was it May 16 05:57:10 does anyone here not use dropbox? May 16 06:18:24 jhojho_: everyone that wants prerelease stuff has to May 16 06:18:55 heh. I know. trying to find someone without dropbox so I can get more disk space =) May 16 06:19:12 eh? May 16 06:50:37 if you refer someone, you both get 250mb additional space for free May 16 06:56:26 why not just setup a second account with another email address? May 16 07:07:32 dropbox is smart. referral is not granted until software is installed and checks in May 16 07:07:51 I guess could set up a bunch of vmware instances but that really is too much work =) May 16 07:10:59 jhojho_: I use ZumoDrive, it has a much better WebOS client (uploading files from your phone!) and has several nice features on the desktop too. May 16 07:29:05 25 GB of free storage on Windows Live May 16 07:29:06 With SkyDrive, it's easy to store and share your files and photos with almost anyone. May 16 07:29:33 Don't know if there are any restrictions on file type and whether that would work for you May 16 07:30:20 eww, MS May 16 07:30:28 I know... May 16 07:30:52 Google Docs? It's literrally $5 a year for 20GB May 16 07:31:23 http://www.2shared.com/ May 16 07:31:42 www.watchtrek.com uses them for storing all their ~200MB FLV files May 16 07:36:30 argh. I hate it when I cant remember where I put my files May 16 07:40:17 i don't think that's something you can pay for ;-) May 16 07:41:31 hah. found them May 16 07:41:33 memory is the second thing to go and I can't remember the first. May 16 07:42:09 lol May 16 07:42:32 now to find a cheap coupon code for godaddy dns May 16 07:46:47 btw, loving my new setup. dropbox on the macbook, mini and linux server May 16 07:47:10 edit using textmate locally and it's readily deployable on the server May 16 09:52:35 -_- May 16 13:20:46 My phone must be tired, it keeps taking cat naps: "powerd: System going to sleep now", "powerd: System woke up", etc. May 16 13:21:15 I guess that's fine, but I wish there was something I could put into the powerd.conf to disable that behavior while I have an active ssh session. May 16 13:42:03 decourl: there is a patch for that May 16 14:18:02 nt4cats: ah, the WebOS motto: There's a patch for that! May 16 14:20:02 VincentLaw: I think there is a patch that says "there's a patch for that!", too. May 16 14:20:53 /me will bbl May 16 16:46:03 anyone know of an app\\patch that will turn Off the Hotspot Notification (chime) fo the Pre+? there seems to be No settings to do so Except to Mute the entire phone via switch.. THANKS! :) its really annoying.. ;) May 16 16:47:36 i will make it a patch suggestion when i can find out where\\whom :) May 16 16:57:41 ugh, sorry to post question then left, i got disconnected........ May 16 16:58:19 if anyone replied? i did not receive it.. :/ May 16 17:55:26 evening May 16 18:08:15 anyone want to put their pre in airplane mode thenpull it out and try to connect with wirc after the signal strength comes up but before the EV or 1x icon does? May 16 18:08:26 PuffTheMagic: ^ May 16 18:08:46 ping debilater May 16 18:09:04 and other wirc people... May 16 18:10:20 I can connect to other networks, but the one network I tried a bit too early with is still going in circles and it's been a half hour May 16 18:13:05 sup all May 16 18:13:11 hi May 16 18:13:21 hi May 16 18:16:21 phone reboot time... May 16 18:19:58 ugh, my uberkernel keeps overheating my phone. May 16 18:23:14 Decimate, define overheating...what temperature are you seeing? May 16 18:36:55 sup swisstomcat May 16 18:37:08 working on preware (german translation) May 16 18:38:11 nice May 16 18:38:42 swisstomcat: do you know of a app where I can receive a fax ? May 16 18:40:10 not really May 16 18:40:24 what's a fax? :) May 16 18:41:55 lol May 16 18:41:58 really May 16 18:47:21 anyone know ? May 16 18:48:09 I need to send and receive faxes May 16 18:49:10 DrFunk: not possible afaik May 16 18:49:33 afaik? May 16 18:49:43 as far as I know May 16 18:49:52 oh lol May 16 18:50:05 ka6sox: do you know ; May 16 18:50:06 use a web-service May 16 18:50:18 ^^^what he said May 16 18:50:28 not that i know any May 16 18:50:32 webservice ? May 16 18:51:39 there are websites that accept and send faxes...you send the file they fax May 16 18:52:21 i wonder what the option "installed is available" in preware does/means? May 16 18:59:18 thanks May 16 19:00:32 swisstomcat: when turned on, the packages you have installed are listed in the "available _____" pages May 16 19:00:38 available apps, patches, etc. May 16 19:00:49 otherwise preware doesn't show the stuff already installed May 16 19:05:58 can you get the cpu temp from the command line? May 16 19:07:16 allright, thanks tibfib May 16 19:07:34 now i have to translate that May 16 19:07:36 to german May 16 19:09:59 anyone in here know any...lets say, amazing songs played on piano. May 16 19:10:04 like, lovish sounding. May 16 19:15:06 Decimate, what temp is your Pre getting to? is it shutting down? May 16 19:19:53 hrmm May 16 19:20:10 why would git push give me "fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly" May 16 19:21:07 does anyone know what i can do i keep getting sorry too many cards May 16 19:22:11 mobgod: overclock? stop using your pre? May 16 19:22:22 yes, overclock can help May 16 19:24:38 swisstomcat so overclock it? May 16 19:25:05 until a fix is available May 16 19:25:07 yes May 16 19:25:15 any idea on the git push problem? May 16 19:25:51 na May 16 19:25:52 rwhitby: is the feed set up for 1.4.2 at&t users? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/246798-uberkernel-preware.html May 16 19:26:40 is rwhitby already back? May 16 19:26:52 probably not May 16 19:27:02 now that I think about it May 16 19:33:21 so swisstomcat i should install the uberkernel ? May 16 19:33:29 or Tibfib May 16 19:33:37 you could try it, it's pretty cool May 16 19:33:57 will i lose anything May 16 19:34:09 or its just a kernel upgrade May 16 19:34:09 mobgod: if you follow directions properly you will be fine May 16 19:34:24 Tibfib for the kernel ? May 16 19:34:46 it's basically a replacement kernel May 16 19:34:54 for the one you already have May 16 19:35:27 right swisstomcat but in the kernel its overclocked already ect... May 16 19:35:29 correct May 16 19:35:46 the kernel itself is not overclocked by default May 16 19:35:50 so you should be save May 16 19:35:53 safe May 16 19:36:10 just want to stop the sorry too many cards May 16 19:36:16 making me go nuts now May 16 19:36:28 mobgod: turn off your pre... problem solved :) May 16 19:36:40 swisstomcat u think the kernel will help May 16 19:37:05 i've heard that the too many card errors appear less with an overclocked pre May 16 19:37:08 Tibfib ok than use what after that May 16 19:37:25 use a pre plus, which has more memory :) May 16 19:37:34 or wait for a fix from palm May 16 19:37:55 that could take forever May 16 19:37:58 :) May 16 19:38:25 maybe. pre2 sooon (hopefully) May 16 19:38:39 or in june i heard htc May 16 19:38:40 soon as in this year (?) May 16 19:38:41 4g May 16 19:39:45 i need a smoke bbiab May 16 20:12:53 is it possible to read the cpu temp from the command line? May 16 20:17:12 dick-richardson: yes... not sure what it is. May 16 20:31:16 dick-richardson, cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input May 16 20:54:35 hrmm May 16 20:54:41 tomcat@hobbes:~/palm-development/public/preware$ git push -v May 16 20:54:41 Pushing to git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git May 16 20:54:42 Looking up git.webos-internals.org ... done. May 16 20:54:42 Connecting to git.webos-internals.org (port 9418) ... 140.211.169.177 done. May 16 20:54:42 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly May 16 20:56:26 swisstomcat, ssh -v might help here. May 16 20:58:05 ka6sox: strange enough, git clone and git pull worked May 16 20:59:44 ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/hek7MhtA May 16 21:00:58 seems strange May 16 21:03:04 swisstomcat, are you on a different machine than you normally use? May 16 21:03:08 or a differnt user? May 16 21:04:07 nope May 16 21:04:34 does git clone/pull use the same method? May 16 21:04:55 depends. May 16 21:05:23 you can check out RO instead of RW. May 16 21:07:23 if you pulled it out/cloned it as git@git vs git: May 16 21:07:54 oh May 16 21:08:22 didn't know that that makes a difference .. still learning git May 16 21:08:33 what's the recommended way? git: or git@git? May 16 21:08:53 one is recommended for read only, and the other to read and write May 16 21:09:06 assuming you want to push, you need git@git, no? May 16 21:09:33 hmm May 16 21:09:40 i'll start over with a clone May 16 21:09:44 you can just change the config file May 16 21:10:05 .git/config May 16 21:10:12 change the url May 16 21:19:30 hey- I just picked up the ATT Pre and am having trouble installing Preware. Followed all the steps in every guide I could find and for some reason it just wont install. Any reported problems with 1.4.2? May 16 21:20:15 the feeds might no be ready yet for 1.4.2 May 16 21:20:56 but would that affect installation of preware? May 16 21:21:41 no, not the installation May 16 21:21:48 aaronmfisher: where do you fail? May 16 21:21:48 hmm, well I can understand if that would cause preware feeds on the device to not load but preware itself wont even May 16 21:21:56 rod we neeeeed you! May 16 21:22:05 WebOSQuickInstall works fine, says it loads and everything May 16 21:22:18 aaronmfisher: in dev mode? May 16 21:22:20 but when I look at the device, even after restart there is no Preware May 16 21:22:21 yep May 16 21:22:36 hmm I wonder if AT&T has locked something down :O May 16 21:22:38 webosquickinstall 3.12? May 16 21:22:46 believe so, let me double check May 16 21:23:45 yep, 3.12 on OS X May 16 21:24:16 how do you install preware with WOQI? May 16 21:24:35 yep May 16 21:24:44 which steps did you take? May 16 21:26:09 oil: url now is git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git May 16 21:26:24 just the normal steps located on the Wiki for Preware, mount, install and load. Restart May 16 21:26:33 change it to git@git.webos-internals... May 16 21:26:39 git@git.webos-internals.org:/applications/preware.git May 16 21:29:01 werent you able to at one time just enable developer mode and go to get.preware.org to install it? May 16 21:29:21 aha, that worked .. thank you, oil May 16 21:31:40 i've pushed preware german translation updates May 16 21:33:45 has anyone else had problems installing Preware to the new ATT Pre? Just picked it up, this thing is so replacing my iPhone 3G! May 16 21:34:54 i don't have an at&t device :( May 16 21:36:40 g'night everyone May 16 21:36:59 nite swisstomcat May 16 21:37:14 so is there someone I can talk to directly who works on Preware to help solve the problem> May 16 21:37:17 *? May 16 21:38:22 aaronmfisher: rwhitby is hiking through treacherous jungle while fighting off giant animals with his bare hands. You'll have to wait a few days. May 16 21:39:29 * oil doesn't understand what doesn't work May 16 21:47:06 soooooo anyone have any ideas? May 16 21:47:22 I just saw this post on precentral forums about webos doctor or something? May 16 21:48:59 lol May 16 21:49:04 what doesn't work? May 16 22:29:17 oh did the att pre's come out May 16 22:29:17 ? May 16 22:35:59 Rod, you around? May 16 23:29:42 Save/restore is giving me a "database is locked" error for messaging and memos. Any ideas? May 17 00:00:28 . May 17 00:01:12 Hey guys, anyone is looking for a job? May 17 00:01:19 in IT May 17 00:01:53 lol May 17 00:02:17 My company is looking for a Python/JS dev May 17 00:02:42 thats a weird mix May 17 00:02:45 Full time May 17 00:02:49 Haha May 17 00:03:14 You can also be really good at one of them at least May 17 00:03:42 NYC and around May 17 00:43:47 morning May 17 00:44:45 Tibfib: we need 1.4.2 kernel source code from Palm to do a 1.4.2 kernel May 17 00:45:33 rwhitby: I was referring to preware in general May 17 00:45:39 not just the kernel May 17 00:46:27 patch placeholders are there. May 17 00:46:47 need someone with 1.4.2 to test it, or access to the 1.4.2 doctor. 1.4.2 was not provided to early access. May 17 00:47:08 i dont think we changed anything May 17 00:47:35 if we did it'd just be some little bugfix here or there May 17 00:48:25 rwhitby: ah, just heard reports of not being able to install/use preware on at&t pre May 17 00:48:39 makes no sense May 17 00:50:10 Oh, I wonder if this was his problem: http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/246782-att-pre-plus-preware.html (didn't have the 1.4.2 doctor) May 17 00:52:37 u dont nned webos doctor to install stuff May 17 00:52:37 geist: yeah, we may end up symlinking the patches dir and just repacking the kernel, but I'd like to double check first - there's plenty of official features on a webOS device for the new AT&T users to play around with while they are waiting :) May 17 00:52:37 :S May 17 00:53:53 sure, and clearly we'll get the kernel patches out at some point May 17 00:54:36 geist: yep, people need to exercise some patience in this area :) May 17 00:56:25 en0x: oh yeah, thinking of patching. May 17 00:56:44 Is someone familiar with getting shell commands executed from bar-assistant.js? May 17 00:57:10 or even read text from a file May 17 00:57:17 you need a service to do that stuff from mojo May 17 00:57:30 that's what I was worried about May 17 00:59:01 geist: you still around? May 17 00:59:04 and a service that can execute a generic shell command is a huge security hole, cause it can then send your online banking passwords to a bot net May 17 00:59:28 dick-richardson: so it needs to be targeted and sanitised May 17 00:59:51 (e.g. Jason's SysToolsMgr service, or any one of the webOS Internals services at git.webos-internals.org) May 17 01:00:04 yeah, I'm not good enough to tackle a service at this point May 17 01:00:43 dick-richardson: what's the feature which you're envisaging? May 17 01:01:35 I slapped together a quick script for my own use that displays cpu temp and current frequency - was thinking it go nicely in place of my "DON'T PANIC!' carrier string replacement May 17 01:03:37 dick-richardson: just use the org.webosinternals.govnah service May 17 01:03:54 yep, I am - liked the thought of it always visible May 17 01:03:55 PuffTheMagic: sup May 17 01:04:54 geist: some of us are trying to determin if the phone is on the touchstone from kernel space May 17 01:05:05 geist: we have come to the conclusion we cant May 17 01:05:10 do you know otherwise? May 17 01:05:32 determine when then phone... May 17 01:05:35 phone on the touchscreen? May 17 01:05:41 touchstone May 17 01:05:46 rwhitby: er...you mean use the service in bar-assistant.js? May 17 01:06:03 actually, yeah, it's kind of convoluted on pre May 17 01:06:06 dick-richardson: yep May 17 01:06:10 lol May 17 01:06:12 touchstone May 17 01:06:41 basically you can determine you're on the touchstone based on getting charge current from somewhere other than usb May 17 01:07:05 but i dont remember the mechanism that is in place in user space May 17 01:07:07 that does not seem to be reliable May 17 01:07:14 it is, but there's some tricks to it May 17 01:07:21 geist: i can get it with PmIpcDispatch May 17 01:07:30 and a call to tel.getchargerstatus May 17 01:07:40 i wouldn't be surprised if powerd doesn't do the logic for it May 17 01:07:58 geist: i've tracked down the logic to the telephony service May 17 01:08:14 * uNiXpSyChO listens in without walking in to room May 17 01:08:18 at least that is was creates the luna signals May 17 01:08:21 oh oh, now i remember May 17 01:08:24 yeah, the modem knows it May 17 01:08:47 i'm thiking about it from the bootloader point of view, which i wrote. in the bootloader the modem isn't up so you have to figure it out in a roundabout way May 17 01:08:57 but on a running system, the modem tells you May 17 01:09:04 is there a more direct way to get at this info besides using PmIpcDispatch May 17 01:09:08 no May 17 01:09:17 * uNiXpSyChO falls on floor May 17 01:09:33 well where does the call to tel.getchargerstatus go? May 17 01:09:55 is that talking over the modemuart or something? May 17 01:10:02 yes May 17 01:10:12 well, it's going to the TIL May 17 01:10:17 which is then asking the modem May 17 01:10:42 is there any information about this anywhere? May 17 01:10:50 no May 17 01:11:22 geist: does it not exist or just not public? May 17 01:11:28 latter May 17 01:11:40 modem stuff tends to be more or less the limit May 17 01:11:50 carriers have a shit fit when folks start poking at it May 17 01:12:05 that all makes sense, since the battery is connected to the comms board and goes through the TWL chip May 17 01:12:25 yah. it's a dumb design May 17 01:12:28 so it goes. May 17 01:12:41 geist: i hear there is no more kernel devel going on for the pre... that people have moved onto newer and better things May 17 01:13:41 huh May 17 01:14:17 someone older than me and wiser said that you guys werent doing any more kernel devel... at least not for hte pre kernel May 17 01:14:37 yeah, and my answer is 'huh' May 17 01:14:50 not 'huh?', but more like 'eh' May 17 01:14:51 so that is more like a no? May 17 01:15:11 it's essentially 'i have acked your statement, but otherwise give you no comment' May 17 01:15:29 lol May 17 01:15:44 lol May 17 01:16:08 geist: it just sucks if you guys started work and its just sitting there, is there anyone we can talk to about getting more docs May 17 01:16:47 docs to what? May 17 01:16:59 geist: everything we dont have docs for :D May 17 01:17:08 wrong question. what do you want docs to? May 17 01:17:48 geist: i would like the docs i need to get an upstream 2.6.x kernel to boot on the pre May 17 01:18:01 that would be a good target May 17 01:18:05 PuffTheMagic: uhh May 17 01:18:13 if we had the 'docs' to that we'd just do it ourselves May 17 01:18:25 lol May 17 01:18:29 you have to have the docs for all the hw May 17 01:18:38 this x86 boot of webos is pretty insane May 17 01:18:39 geist, that is both refreshing and disappointing to hear May 17 01:18:53 PuffTheMagic: so what you really want is the docs to the hw? May 17 01:19:10 RagingMind: why? May 17 01:19:39 geist: yeah May 17 01:19:40 refreshing to know that there is the sentiment that if you could you would... disappointing that you are in a position that you can't May 17 01:19:54 RagingMind: and where did the draw the second conclusion? May 17 01:20:06 I just instaled Govnah and uber... What are the best settings? May 17 01:20:08 guys, quit trying to read a bunch of shit into what i'm saying May 17 01:20:15 " if we had the 'docs' to that we'd just do it ourselves" May 17 01:20:30 you drew the conclusion that we aren't May 17 01:21:03 you phrased it in such a way that lead me to that conclusion May 17 01:21:03 i, for one, am not saying that May 17 01:21:16 sure. May 17 01:21:21 this is why i shouldn't be here May 17 01:21:30 because it just gets me in trouble because folks love to hang on every word May 17 01:21:30 I just instaled Govnah and uber... What are the best settings? May 17 01:21:48 great May 17 01:21:52 oops :( May 17 01:21:57 that wasnt good May 17 01:22:59 if he wasn't predisposed to correcting people when he thought they were making silly jumps in logic then he wouldn't have to worry as much May 17 01:26:59 * rwhitby bbl May 17 01:27:24 hmm looks like new stuff is floating around May 17 01:27:38 anyway do u know how att launch went? May 17 01:28:34 uNiXpSyChO: btw I saw the request for westwood tcp in the compcache thread. May 17 01:28:50 probably still a good idea to default to bicubic per kernel default May 17 01:28:53 i think he wanted Vegas May 17 01:29:02 oh yeah and vegas too May 17 01:29:11 BIC sux over cell May 17 01:29:22 Westwood i would think would be better May 17 01:29:33 you know May 17 01:29:42 someone should start on a kernel tuning gui May 17 01:29:43 from my digging and *very* limited testing. May 17 01:29:50 that exposes all this shit easily May 17 01:29:55 so we can just enable it in the kernel May 17 01:30:05 the results I've been able to find, dont show that much of a different May 17 01:30:09 PuffTheMagic: i would love to. but my GUI programming skills are "suspect" May 17 01:30:13 there is a diff but just not that much. May 17 01:30:24 I kinda though govnah was going to be that kernel gui May 17 01:30:49 uNiXpSyChO: oil seems prett eagar to make a usless app at everyone wets their pants over :D May 17 01:31:10 jhojho:you govnah to manage TCP congestion features? May 17 01:31:37 PuffTheMagic: i'll tell him to get on it ;-) May 17 01:31:53 jhojho_: well i sorta like how i started on a battery monitor May 17 01:32:00 that turned into an uber monitor May 17 01:32:19 govnah might evolve to be the kernel tuner app May 17 01:32:24 though the name wouldnt fit May 17 01:34:08 it would be a shame if palm came out with different hardware, and stopped updating/supporting the pre's kernel to focus more on the newer stuff May 17 01:34:57 bpadalino: that's where we come in... as long as we have most of the source to things. May 17 01:35:13 true May 17 01:35:19 PuffTheMagic, phoronix test suit for the palm pre? :) May 17 01:35:34 lol no May 17 01:35:51 benchmarks with out statistics are stupid May 17 01:35:57 more stupid that benchmarks alone May 17 01:36:13 their kernel build and test stuff looks nifty from a spectator's point of view May 17 01:37:51 my issue with computer benchmarks is that none of really capture the essense of multi tasking, or an interactive desktop May 17 01:38:35 there is no way to combine multiple benchmarks across people May 17 01:38:40 in a way that is not subjective May 17 01:39:47 like i should be able to compile a kernel using all my cores May 17 01:39:51 cpus at 100% May 17 01:39:52 i'd argue that in a multi task environment that you need to combine it across a LOT of people because if you only have a small group or just one than there's too much that you can't factor out May 17 01:39:58 and still my mouse shoul dnot be choppy May 17 01:40:03 and apps should open instantly May 17 01:40:09 there is no benchmark that captures that May 17 01:43:04 mrjcarter|wirc: everytime you sign on i think of this lil wayne song May 17 01:43:34 ha May 17 01:52:15 uNiXpSyChO, PuffTheMagic: http://i41.tinypic.com/2ey9zqp.png :) May 17 01:52:47 oil: i dont think its happening, idk if I have the code May 17 01:52:53 oil: stop teasing people May 17 01:52:58 haha May 17 01:53:07 it would be easy to remake sorta May 17 01:53:08 im sure it could be re-created to be better May 17 01:53:09 yeah May 17 01:53:16 and a new name May 17 01:53:20 oil: i will make ubermonitor May 17 01:53:22 uber has been used to death now May 17 01:53:30 oil: after u help me make a nice printer tool May 17 01:55:04 lol May 17 01:55:42 oil: seriously i bet people want it May 17 01:55:47 put a feeler post out there for it May 17 01:55:48 nm May 17 01:55:50 i will do it May 17 01:55:51 ;) May 17 01:55:53 to show u May 17 01:55:57 lol May 17 01:56:03 we get $$ for printing May 17 01:59:55 real printing? May 17 02:05:43 RagingMind: im thinking of installing cups May 17 02:05:52 then making a generic service than any app could then use to print May 17 02:05:54 I was kinda wondering if it'd install May 17 02:05:58 and then make a simple print monitor May 17 02:06:02 *compile May 17 02:06:06 where u could print files on your pre already May 17 02:06:18 RagingMind: cups from optware installs fine May 17 02:06:32 what about all the print drivers/filters? May 17 02:06:47 well they dont compile May 17 02:06:52 so they wont have an issue installing May 17 02:07:01 i need to get them in preware though May 17 02:07:03 for easy installing May 17 02:07:14 some need compiling for certain types of printer output May 17 02:07:19 and all the foomatic/ps ppd drivers May 17 02:07:20 or use special utilities May 17 02:07:25 well May 17 02:07:30 it shouldnt be an issue May 17 02:07:33 and all those take up a crap ton of space May 17 02:07:54 well maybe we can modularize the print drivers or something May 17 02:08:31 why not just have the client side stuff? May 17 02:08:43 huh? May 17 02:09:00 and require cups on another server connected to the printer... or does that still require local install of the driver? May 17 02:09:22 I've set up printing so many times you'd think I'd remember all this stuff May 17 02:09:56 RagingMind: you still need cups installed May 17 02:10:00 for the library May 17 02:10:11 even if printing to a remove cups server May 17 02:10:19 i dont know where the printer driver needs to be May 17 02:11:51 what I do know is that debian has separate client and server packages May 17 02:12:27 hmmm May 17 02:12:28 well May 17 02:12:36 i would still have the server on the pre May 17 02:12:45 cause that is the most standard way of doingit May 17 02:12:51 not may people run their own cups servers May 17 02:13:02 err May 17 02:13:08 not many people run a central cups server May 17 02:13:22 every "standard" install has it's own server ;) May 17 02:13:39 and is usually a computer that actually has a printer attached May 17 02:13:59 except for wifi-direct printers there aren't that many options to connect a printer right to a pre May 17 02:14:37 RagingMind: are tyring to mess with people on purpose tonight? May 17 02:14:43 cups can be a pita May 17 02:14:44 hehe May 17 02:14:45 :) May 17 02:14:59 PuffTheMagic, :( May 17 02:15:04 foomatic, foomatic db May 17 02:15:05 etc May 17 02:16:17 * RagingMind goes back to lurking May 17 02:16:36 cups is easy May 17 02:16:41 and its the only solution for linux May 17 02:16:43 and the best May 17 02:16:48 so its not like this is even a debte May 17 02:16:52 debate May 17 02:17:02 its getting done ;) May 17 02:17:18 only solution? :) May 17 02:17:21 not quite hehe May 17 02:17:35 but it is the best :) May 17 02:17:45 its the only solution May 17 02:19:28 for what? May 17 02:19:41 printing May 17 02:19:47 from webos? May 17 02:19:54 from unix in general May 17 02:20:01 that ain't right May 17 02:20:04 lpr works fine May 17 02:20:14 who the hell still uses that though May 17 02:20:21 anyone who can print postscript May 17 02:20:38 I did a lot of that with my color laser printer May 17 02:20:48 when I was doing labels ... heaven help me May 17 02:21:18 jwm: i know there are other options May 17 02:21:25 linux has 100000 options for evertying May 17 02:21:37 but for some things only a few things make sense May 17 02:22:04 anyway May 17 02:22:09 time to watch breaking bad May 17 02:24:20 cups uses lpr anyway heh May 17 02:34:14 PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND May 17 02:34:15 1227 root 19 -1 304m 94m 15m S 5.6 39.7 99:03.40 LunaSysMgr May 17 02:34:30 that's a bit much... May 17 02:35:29 the res is only 20% May 17 02:35:42 hi! May 17 02:35:59 morning May 17 02:36:04 Is WebOS Internals actually Palm itself? May 17 02:36:14 no May 17 02:36:17 oh May 17 02:36:21 so what is it? May 17 02:36:26 just a community? May 17 02:36:33 you could say that. May 17 02:36:44 It's like the rebels in star wars. May 17 02:36:50 lol May 17 02:36:52 heh May 17 02:36:53 oh really? May 17 02:37:04 i consider myself Bobafett May 17 02:37:06 I got an AT&T Pre Plus May 17 02:37:23 Is there an onscren keyboard I can get? May 17 02:38:08 yes, i believe there is. May 17 02:38:13 am i correct guys? May 17 02:38:24 yes there is May 17 02:38:35 Also, it runs just alitle slow. Can I overclock it? May 17 02:38:44 yes sir, you can May 17 02:38:44 lol May 17 02:38:44 I had it installed... and realized how much I hated on screen keyboard on ANY device May 17 02:38:51 im at 800mhz right now :P May 17 02:39:00 no 142 kernel yet May 17 02:39:06 well, the keys are pretty small May 17 02:39:09 NOOOOOOOO. May 17 02:39:10 nope...no 1.4.2 kernel yet May 17 02:39:33 also, maybe it's just mine, but the sliding mechanism sticks ALOT. and its scratching the hell out of the mirror on the back. May 17 02:39:50 duddy: must be you :P doesnt happen to me May 17 02:40:03 I only use the mirror as a novelty. May 17 02:40:20 my mirror has scratches from the slider May 17 02:40:47 mine are very deep May 17 02:40:51 no scratches on mine May 17 02:41:20 duddy, that sounds a bit excessive... May 17 02:41:28 thats what i think May 17 02:41:56 now, mine is one of the Pre's that AT&T gave it's employees before launch May 17 02:42:10 it was running 1.4.1 yesterday and then I updated it. May 17 02:42:19 maybe they had mechanical issues May 17 02:42:44 but it sucks, I cant slide it up with on thumb I have to hold both its side and pull up May 17 02:43:10 yipe May 17 02:43:26 OK one more quetion, can I install WebOS Quick Install using a Mac? May 17 02:43:27 I prefer to hold mine and slide but I can slide with one thumb if I wanted May 17 02:43:29 yeah i don't think scratching mirror is good May 17 02:43:39 yes, on snow leopard or something with java 1.6 May 17 02:44:29 cool May 17 02:44:37 and it works with 1.4.2? May 17 02:45:35 duddy: not sure if it's been updated for att yet May 17 02:45:41 i don't use wosqi May 17 02:45:55 I use my thumb, in the middle of the screen, and it slides fine May 17 02:46:03 same with mine May 17 02:46:11 is there an alternate method to get Preware on it? May 17 02:46:19 yes, developer mode May 17 02:46:21 and a shell script May 17 02:46:22 webosquick install works on mac May 17 02:46:24 it's very simple May 17 02:46:27 duddy, a script and developer mode May 17 02:48:50 if anything, i would just like to narrow it down, i will try jstop May 17 02:50:26 do we have a changelog for 1.4.2? May 17 02:50:30 oh wait May 17 02:50:37 1.4.2 is still att only May 17 02:50:38 right? May 17 02:50:46 right May 17 02:51:05 ok May 17 02:51:11 thought I missed some update all of the sudden May 17 02:51:40 hmm, jstop doesn't have pid for LunaSysMgr and everthing seems normal there **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:59:57 2010