**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 18 02:59:57 2010 May 18 03:00:05 actually no. sadly May 18 03:00:44 Yep, it's stuck at the boot screen. Solid Palm logo - no glowing/pulsing. Should I do the Option-Symbol-R? May 18 03:02:35 tfoutz: try reconnecting with novaterm before restarting it May 18 03:02:45 (i.e. while it is hung at the palm logo) May 18 03:03:27 * rwhitby wonders whether that needs dev mode - my dev mode is permanently on from before it is flashed May 18 03:04:23 Not sure I understand. Novaterm is still up. May 18 03:04:37 oh, you're still connected to the device and can type commands? May 18 03:04:40 I had Dev mode on before doctoring May 18 03:04:44 yes May 18 03:05:07 Oops! Wrong - not connected. Sorry May 18 03:05:28 so should I close and reopen Novaterm? May 18 03:05:31 yeah May 18 03:05:56 Got the message: failed to connect May 18 03:05:58 but doctor will remove dev mode, May 18 03:05:59 geist, do you have time for your own projects anymore ? May 18 03:06:31 failed to connect to novacomd May 18 03:06:39 tfoutz: ok, we're going to do this again, but this time we're going to be sneaky and turn on dev mode manually while the doctor is doing it's work May 18 03:06:50 tfoutz: so get back to a command line during the doctor May 18 03:07:19 OK. I may not be able to get to doctor while it's frozen at boot screen May 18 03:08:24 bpadalino: yeah, somewhat. hacked on haiku this weekend May 18 03:08:46 got all 16 cpus on this box working: http://tkgeisel.com/pics/screenshot1.png May 18 03:08:51 had to fix some bootloader stuff May 18 03:08:58 going to hack a bit on lk this evening May 18 03:09:12 Hello i was looking for some help on installing preware? May 18 03:09:25 what kind of help do you need? May 18 03:09:41 its not showing up in the webos wuick install anywhere May 18 03:09:44 I can't get to the NEXT screen on Doctor. I'm going to need to do the 'hold the volume button up thing' May 18 03:09:53 tfoutz: do whatever is needed to get back to the doctor command line May 18 03:10:14 sk8er5751: are you or can you be command line savy? May 18 03:10:17 sk8er5751: look in WebOS Internals (Pre) May 18 03:10:31 geist, nice - is haiku up to a point where you can use it as a daily OS - or does it still leave a lot to be desired ? May 18 03:10:45 i did look in pre and all the rest but nothing is there im getting mad ive been looking for it for like an hour May 18 03:10:52 sk8er5751: all instructions on blogs and forums are obsolete. Only trust webos-internals.org Preware documentation May 18 03:11:13 ++webos-internals.org May 18 03:11:35 ok doctor is running now. I'll open novaterm at 12% May 18 03:11:37 bpadalino: seems to be alright, if your hardware is supported May 18 03:11:44 i used the preware bootstrap when I needed to install preware on my replacement pre May 18 03:11:53 tfoutz: run "mount" until you see something with 'var' in the name May 18 03:11:56 i had an old one like an hour ago then i updated the webos quick install to the latest and its still not there May 18 03:12:12 16 cores is pretty ridonkulous .. is it all 64-bit too so it supports lots of ram ? May 18 03:12:38 i typed mount May 18 03:13:14 they're working on an x86-64 port May 18 03:13:20 thogh you dont need x86-64 to support a lot of ram May 18 03:13:35 >4GB May 18 03:13:49 nope. PAE May 18 03:14:04 3.5gb, but ok May 18 03:14:17 i see /dev/mapper/store-var May 18 03:14:25 actually the box has 8GB ram, need to add PAE support May 18 03:14:49 tfoutz: what is the other directory listed on that line May 18 03:14:57 oh, i see .. so they are back to their segment/offset scheme with PAE ? May 18 03:15:16 no. PAE adds 64bit entries in the page tables May 18 03:15:28 extends the physical address range out to 64GB May 18 03:15:37 and above, depending on the hw May 18 03:15:37 tmp/tcmnt_927 type ext 3 May 18 03:16:02 tfoutz: type "touch /tmp/tcmnt_927/gadget/novacom_enabled" May 18 03:16:34 interesting ..implemented in the pentium pro for the first time ..neat stuff May 18 03:16:44 no such file or directory May 18 03:16:54 yep May 18 03:17:08 tfoutz: type "mkdir /tmp/tcmnt_927/gadget" May 18 03:17:17 you just still can't map more than 4GB at any time, but the OS can be aware of much more May 18 03:17:23 cache, multiple processes, etc May 18 03:17:30 tfoutz: then type "touch /tmp/tcmnt_927/gadget/novacom_enabled" May 18 03:17:41 glad to hear you have time for your own stuff too .. kinda stinks getting sucked into things which aren't necessarily fun or exciting at work May 18 03:17:42 cannot create directory May 18 03:17:52 indeed May 18 03:17:58 geist, what plans have you got for lk ? May 18 03:18:13 oh i dunno. added a fs layer, block io recently May 18 03:18:17 tfoutz: did you type the directory name the same as what was returned in the mount command? May 18 03:18:19 got some graphics routines i'm hacking on now May 18 03:18:39 just 2d stuff to help draw to a framebuffer ? May 18 03:18:45 yes - cannot create directory May 18 03:18:49 yah May 18 03:19:08 tfoutz: can you cut and paste from that window into http://webos.pastebin.com ? May 18 03:19:17 nice May 18 03:19:25 got a dev platform in mind for testing on ? May 18 03:19:30 or just do it in a vm ? May 18 03:19:42 some in a vm. also have a handful of arm dev boards May 18 03:19:57 and an avr32 May 18 03:20:11 i am kinda pissed at atmel right now .. May 18 03:20:29 no - i can't copy or cut from the novaterm window May 18 03:20:35 i ordered some of their SAM3U micros .. and they just aren't coming in .. factory lead times are still like 16 weeks out May 18 03:20:52 I can take a screenshot May 18 03:20:59 but it was 16 weeks out, 8 weeks ago May 18 03:21:00 tfoutz: need to triple check the spelling then. start again with the line from mount which lists 'var' in it May 18 03:21:02 ugh May 18 03:21:08 tfoutz: screenshot will do. May 18 03:21:25 tfoutz: make sure it has the mount command output and the commands you typed May 18 03:21:43 that, and xilinx can't produce s6 silicon to put down on a board for evaluation .. May 18 03:22:00 Can someone test Preware 1.0.2 in the testing feed for me? May 18 03:22:01 tfoutz: are you running novaterm from windows or os x ? May 18 03:22:02 just seems like good silicon is hard to come by :( May 18 03:22:12 windows xp May 18 03:22:45 If you select text in CMD window, click the icon in top left corner for special copy/paste commands May 18 03:22:46 geist, did you read about xilinx saying they'll offer up a cortex a9 with 2000+ wires connected to an ARM bus for your programmable logic to plug in? May 18 03:22:48 did you try that? May 18 03:22:56 how do i get a screenshot to you? May 18 03:23:26 bpadalino: oh cute May 18 03:23:39 though to be honest i prefer slower cpus May 18 03:23:43 keeps you more honest May 18 03:23:59 all these current gen cortex-as are just so darn fast May 18 03:24:09 gimme a good ol arm7 or arm9 May 18 03:24:15 the line reads /dev/mapper/store-var on /tmp/tcmnt_927 May 18 03:24:19 you definitely notice where your MIPS are going on those guys May 18 03:24:32 i was checking out the hawkboard (OMAP-L138) the other day May 18 03:24:37 pretty decent for $89 May 18 03:24:52 rwhitby, what about 1.0.2 do you need/want tested? May 18 03:25:02 but anyway, yeah i do a lot of work on my arm emulator. easy to get it going, and it has an emulated graphics display May 18 03:25:13 oh slick May 18 03:25:16 one of my other projects that i haven't started yet is to port linux to it. that ought to shake out some bugs May 18 03:25:31 heh May 18 03:25:43 what's the slowdown with it? 1/10th of real time ? May 18 03:26:08 on this core2 it's running ~100mhz May 18 03:26:17 RagingMind: the "avoid webos bugs" preference should default to YES May 18 03:26:26 pretty nice .. some arm7 speeds for you May 18 03:26:30 yep May 18 03:26:32 tfoutz: twitpic.com will do May 18 03:26:43 that's about as fast as you can easily get and still be interpreting May 18 03:26:46 does it emulate all the extensions like DSP? i'm assuming MMU since you were talking linux May 18 03:27:12 it emulates up to armv6. at the time i wrote it you couldn't do anything with the armv6 docs May 18 03:27:18 RagingMind: and when set to Yes it should no longer exhibit the rescan bug behaviour, but should still be able to install, update and remove packages May 18 03:27:21 since then you can, so i've slowly started adding new instructions as i hit em May 18 03:27:27 nice May 18 03:27:37 rwhitby, just as an FYI... this time when I updated preware it quite after updating May 18 03:27:45 when I upgraded to 1.0.1 it did not May 18 03:27:50 anyway, off for some coffee before stuff closes May 18 03:27:52 later May 18 03:28:02 and it IS supposed to quit after updating itself? right? May 18 03:28:12 Posted at http://twitpic.com/1ort6s May 18 03:29:25 tfoutz: type "mkdir /tmp/tcmnt_927/var/gadget" May 18 03:29:27 tfoutz: then type "touch /tmp/tcmnt_927/var/gadget/novacom_enabled" May 18 03:30:06 tfoutz: then when it reboots after the doctor is finished, you should have dev mode already enabled and be able to get in with novaterm May 18 03:30:19 doctoring has already completed. do i need to doctor again and type those commands as it is doctoring? May 18 03:32:10 tfoutz: yep May 18 03:32:51 tfoutz: note the number in the commands might change - check the mount output for the correct directory May 18 03:33:24 RagingMind: did the option default to Yes ? May 18 03:33:45 yup May 18 03:34:19 good. can you verify the repeatable test case and see if this fixes it? May 18 03:34:33 Rod - I'm going to have to try this tomorrow. It's going on midnight on the east coast of the USA. Thank you VERY much for your patience and help. I will get to this point tomorrow. Not sure where I'll go after this though. May 18 03:34:40 if you link to the forum post with all the instructions May 18 03:39:52 RagingMind: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2458951 May 18 03:42:17 I never did test it before the preware update... so it's not exactly a fair test on my phone, but I'm working my way through it May 18 03:43:29 RagingMind: you can test it with the preference set to No to see the webOS bug May 18 03:45:19 What happened to 1.0.1 =D May 18 03:46:05 rwhitby: ping back May 18 03:46:33 PrimerFender: that was in alpha testing yesterday May 18 03:46:43 halfhalo: so about those touchstone backs ... May 18 03:46:51 I can't do anything with it right now since I'm stuck at home with no car for a day or two May 18 03:47:10 halfhalo: no worries. at your convenience. May 18 03:47:23 But I'm still planning on shipping it out May 18 03:47:33 halfhalo: thanks mate May 18 03:47:47 Heh, if you need any other accessories tell me now and I can ship em all at the same time May 18 03:48:26 nah, I think I'm good thanks. I just keep getting new devices for testing and I already have the stones but need the backs May 18 03:48:47 "What is My IP" is taking a very very long time to install... May 18 03:49:32 heh, well, I only have one back now, but If you want I could go and see if any radioshacks have some left May 18 03:49:43 RagingMind: why not visit www.moanmyip.com May 18 03:49:52 llamamyip is better May 18 03:50:09 ShadeS, not actually interested in the app... just the install May 18 03:50:47 oh May 18 03:50:52 halfhalo: eh? May 18 03:52:22 radioshack has the touchstone and cover for 20 bucks May 18 03:52:56 I paid $50 for mine :( May 18 03:52:58 oh well May 18 03:53:04 it's still pretty May 18 03:54:12 yeah May 18 03:54:21 Still? May 18 03:54:32 I have two unplugged on my desk since I don't have cables for em May 18 03:55:07 I need a cable just for data use May 18 04:41:04 howdy folks May 18 04:44:56 g'day eieio May 18 04:46:27 how's it going, rwhitby? May 18 04:46:55 good good May 18 04:52:48 I recieved an error when installing a patch, is a server down at the moment? May 18 04:53:11 what error? May 18 04:54:16 rwhitby, for the service I'm writing it seems like I only need to change luna_methods.c? May 18 04:54:46 after using the pre plus for a while, the extra mem really makes a huge diff from the pre May 18 04:54:59 ka6sox: that and a couple of things in the other files May 18 04:55:05 jhoplus: I can imaging. May 18 04:55:11 s/imaging/imagine/ May 18 04:55:11 rwhitby meant: jhoplus: I can imagine. May 18 04:55:23 * rwhitby is still looking for an unlocked GSM Pre Plus May 18 04:55:39 with .eu 3G bands May 18 04:55:56 so much nicer to open a couple browser wins and not get hit with too many cards May 18 04:56:39 I have never gotten that error May 18 04:56:52 * rwhitby does a "make clobber" on the autobuilder, after removing the crontab file. May 18 04:57:50 testing the preware now May 18 05:07:45 maybe it isn't a good time to test when ya'll are recompiling the ipks May 18 05:08:36 TheSavaLord: the feeds aren't going to be updated until I'm all done May 18 05:09:11 then I guess the patch I tried to get had a downloading problem May 18 05:09:39 you can check at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/... May 18 05:10:14 will be back going to test from a luna restart May 18 05:27:08 having a major problem with preware May 18 05:28:44 I don't get the bug anymore but it's not letting me instal any patches at all May 18 05:29:44 or themes May 18 05:30:14 just stops on the downloading/installing theme May 18 05:30:55 TheSavaLord: yep, that's expected - I noted that in the post May 18 05:31:22 TheSavaLord: does it install them with the preference set to "No" ? May 18 05:31:46 TheSavaLord: and did it barf on a theme from PreThemer or PreCentral-Themes ? May 18 05:31:48 going to close and set that now May 18 05:32:34 let me check May 18 05:32:35 TheSavaLord: basically, all the ipkgs have g+s set in the permissions in the control.tar.gz tarball, and when Palm's ApplicationInstallerUtility tries to untar that in a vfat partition it breaks. May 18 05:33:01 prethemer May 18 05:33:10 so we're repacking them all with g-s, so that we can use ApplicationInstallerUtility and not have to call the buggy rescan service method May 18 05:33:30 TheSavaLord: got the URL of the theme in question? May 18 05:34:35 I have the Id tag of it May 18 05:34:54 that'll do May 18 05:35:35 I got the url May 18 05:35:38 http://www.prethemer.com/myberry-theme3964.html May 18 05:36:38 hey, I'm having some weird trouble with ajax on webos. Anyone in here? May 18 05:37:41 A bit of oddness with the new alpha preware: It's been installing the Virtual Keyboard patch for over an hour now. It seems to be stuck on installing remix_glossy/u.png May 18 05:38:23 Basically, the issue is with method "PUT". It actually does create a file on the server but it never puts any bytes in the file and my palm pre hangs and then restarts! May 18 05:39:01 rod I turned off the bug option and it still barfs on install May 18 05:39:38 donrhummy, this is with what app? May 18 05:40:14 Sorry. :) I'm writing an app for webos and using Ajax (XMLHttpRequest) in it. I need to do a PUT command and it's giving me problems May 18 05:40:33 It actually does create a file on the server but it never puts any bytes in the file and my palm pre hangs and then restarts! May 18 05:45:18 donrhummy, thats wierd...sorry I can't help you with that. maybe others have seen that. May 18 05:45:48 has anyone else seen this? has anyone been able to get PUT to work with jax? May 18 05:45:58 that's ajax. sorry. May 18 05:46:21 donrhummy: might be someone in #webos who uses ajax May 18 05:47:41 thanks, i'll try that channel. May 18 06:07:06 ok I completed the test cleanly both with ignore bug of and on May 18 06:07:42 had to restart my phone then did the tests May 18 06:08:13 no problems on instaling or uninstalling the theme. May 18 06:10:43 TheSavaLord: so the bug shows with avoidbugs set to No, and the bug does not show with avoidbugs set to Yes? May 18 06:10:58 yep May 18 06:12:55 ran the test with ignore bug on and it didn't close phone or email. as soon as I changed it over to off. as soon as I hit cancel luna restart they closed May 18 06:13:38 good May 18 06:14:04 yes I clicked on cancel luna restart the first time also May 18 06:14:42 so today I discovered that some data on my phone was erased without me doing anything to it. My named pages were reset, my Timepiece alarms were gone, Preware settings were reset, app catalog thought it was being opened for the first time (so I had to accept the terms and conditions again), geostrings thought it was being opened for the first time again. I have a feeling this probably happened when my phone turned off as a May 18 06:15:56 are you one of the ones that tried installing an app over the weekend May 18 06:16:10 me? May 18 06:17:01 Gollyzila: yes May 18 06:17:06 yeah. I heard a lot of people had that issue after they tried doing app installs May 18 06:17:39 the app cat was hosed over the weekend May 18 06:18:05 * rwhitby was glad to be out of network coverage May 18 06:18:08 I don't remember installing an app during the great app catalog outage May 18 06:18:21 if I did, I would have noticed May 18 06:18:37 was this *our* app catalog or somebody else? May 18 06:18:38 I have had this problem a couple times in the past May 18 06:18:41 well if you did try it would of said install failed at end May 18 06:18:50 ka6sox: Palm's app catalog May 18 06:18:55 whew May 18 06:19:33 I never had the issue before. you have a pre or pre+ May 18 06:19:51 using a Sprint Pre 1.4.1.1 May 18 06:20:10 but I've experienced this on earlier firmwares I don't remember May 18 06:20:14 plus here May 18 06:20:45 could the slider reboot have caused it? May 18 06:22:05 I have had luna reboots and it never caused that with me May 18 06:22:09 yep, a power failure could easily cause a file corruption May 18 06:22:45 could be a hard crash May 18 06:23:12 to me hard crash is phone reset. soft is luna May 18 06:23:46 I know it was a hard crash because the phone shut off and did not restart. May 18 06:24:29 I have had a hard crash but no corruption May 18 06:25:03 so this should be a viable excuse to buy the next palm (and HP?) phone in june? May 18 06:25:15 I have had the cell crash so bad I had to take the battery out to start it May 18 06:25:52 but that's probably my fault May 18 06:26:29 I had the phone overclocked while on touchstone with mobile hotspot on lol May 18 06:26:43 do not do that May 18 06:27:00 bad combo May 18 06:28:45 if the bootloader resets the pll's how can that be? May 18 06:29:20 tmzt, ?? May 18 06:29:53 02:25 < TheSavaLord> I have had the cell crash so bad I had to take the battery out to start it May 18 06:30:26 but if the kernel/cpu just panics or freezes that makes sense May 18 06:30:56 the cell might of panic/froze with screen black May 18 06:31:15 I find it hard to believe that the modem caused a crash/freeze May 18 06:32:08 that's is with the cell on touchstone and cpu running at 800 May 18 06:33:35 modem on alone it runs just fine May 18 06:40:06 booore May 18 06:40:10 boooored* May 18 06:40:25 HebrewHammer: Preware 1.0.2 worked for you? May 18 06:40:34 like a charm May 18 06:40:40 thanx for all the work! May 18 06:40:52 HebrewHammer: can you try it on some patches from the public feed? I've rebuilt them all. May 18 06:41:13 sure, same instruction process? May 18 06:41:58 yep May 18 06:50:06 from 1.0 on the preware is like 5 times faster May 18 06:52:22 omg, what 9th layer of hell did I enter trying to make a simple app for this phone lol. suppose I need to brush up on my mvc =D May 18 06:52:53 rwhitby: Should I hit "Later" after Preware installs that patch? May 18 06:54:18 rod same on patches ignore bug on works just fine. with it off phone and email barfs May 18 06:54:27 yes May 18 06:55:02 it will still cause the issue if you cancel luna restart May 18 06:55:39 soooo boooored May 18 06:58:06 brb May 18 06:58:44 rwhitby: Yea, it worked for a patch too May 18 07:21:28 it helps to have a fast server rod :) May 18 07:23:47 anyone know anything about the "AutoCorrect Edit" program in the PreCentral feed? I can potentially install it using Preware from the feed but in the description it explicitly says to not install via Preware only WOSQI. SOOOO CONFUSING May 18 08:16:19 ~seen dBsooner May 18 08:16:21 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals #webos-watercooler, last said: 'ka6sox: want an airave?'. May 18 08:37:13 rwhitby, Oops! I kinda dozed off for a bit, but I did test the patch against the steps and with the option enabled the bug is successfully avoided May 18 08:37:51 RagingMind: good May 18 12:19:01 hey guys i need help May 18 12:21:03 i installed preware but it told me that "the service is not running. first try restarting preware, or reboot your phone and try later" but nothing happens more than that May 18 12:21:50 phil89: what version of webOS, what instructions did you follow, what version of WOSQI May 18 12:23:11 i restarted preware and the palm webos-version 1.4.1 May 18 12:25:03 rwhitby: I'm getting an error when I attempt to update feeds May 18 12:25:13 on preware 1.0.1 May 18 12:25:32 VincentLaw: which feed? May 18 12:25:59 looks like the patches feed May 18 12:26:24 actually May 18 12:26:25 hold on May 18 12:26:49 no I guess that is the patches feed May 18 12:27:27 okay you can figure this out lol, I'll just write it out: May 18 12:29:06 Updated list of available packages in /media/cryptofs/apps//usr/lib/ipkg/lists/webos-patches,An error ocurred, return value: 1.,Collected errors:,ipkg_download: ERROR: Command fialed with return value 1:`wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-WeEAvh http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/hardware/testing/1.4.1.1/Packages.gz' May 18 12:29:11 maybe that's the testing feed May 18 12:29:30 no such thing as a hardware feed May 18 12:30:00 delete that feed and you'll be fine May 18 12:30:05 oh I know what feed that is >.> May 18 12:30:16 that was the old kernels feed May 18 12:30:49 yeah that was the only problem feed May 18 16:06:55 Hey, I am unable to post any questions to channel #webos. Anyone know what might be wrong? May 18 16:07:17 I can join it, but whenever I try to write a question, it says unable to May 18 16:07:20 register your nick ? May 18 16:07:39 bpadalino: how do I do that? May 18 16:08:27 I was wondering if somebody could point me in the right direction May 18 16:08:45 Where could I find the actual WebOS ramdisk. >_> May 18 16:10:29 RancidMilkMan, tmpfs on /media/ram type tmpfs (rw) May 18 16:10:34 donrhummy: msg nickserv with something i think .. May 18 16:10:39 check the freenode help faq ? May 18 16:10:51 RancidMilkMan, from mount May 18 16:11:29 or #freenode May 18 16:13:08 Alright thanks ^_^ May 18 16:13:20 so if i delete my palm profile backup...does that mean any apps i paid for will be gone if I do full erase May 18 16:14:59 Does WebOS Doctor contain a copy of the ramdisk? May 18 16:15:15 yeah, rip it apart May 18 16:16:11 What May 18 16:16:15 what's the name of it* May 18 16:16:59 RancidMilkMan, since its tempfs I rather doubt it. May 18 16:17:21 Makes sense lol May 18 16:17:45 possible that the emulator image would have it? 0.o May 18 16:20:29 check /dev in the emulator. May 18 16:21:05 also mount May 18 16:22:28 Alright I'll see what I can find May 18 16:26:57 cable companies are starting to anounce LTE networks. telecom and delivered media are going to become the same segment May 18 16:27:31 anyone know if there is a way to get gps to send its data through tethering to have gps service on a computer? May 18 16:28:21 'lo zsoc May 18 16:28:33 lo May 18 16:40:41 I hate all Linux distributions that I'm not familiar with May 18 16:42:20 nt4cats: ahahhahaa. is that why I hate knoppix? May 18 16:42:29 zsoc_wirc: probably May 18 16:42:55 the evil people at Debian/Ubuntu have hidden the boot menu on a live CD exceptionally well May 18 16:43:22 I've unpacked initrd, the squashfs, and scanned the iso and don't see a menu.lst or grub.conf May 18 16:49:41 so if i delete my palm profile backup...does that mean any apps i paid for will be gone if I do full erase May 18 17:31:04 evening May 18 17:33:39 'lo swissy -- congrats on getting AnimalMemory out there May 18 17:34:13 thanks, nt4cats May 18 17:34:25 it doesn't seem to sell well yet tho May 18 17:35:22 back to translating preware May 18 17:36:28 the cow goes "mooo" May 18 17:36:51 that's my other app ... Moo May 18 17:37:18 wait what? May 18 17:38:11 in my other app (Moo) there's a cow that goes "mooo" May 18 17:38:27 swisstomcat: is Animal Memory $1.99 or $0.99? May 18 17:39:00 oh haha i see it May 18 17:43:49 wheee! I may not be a complete idiot! May 18 17:44:49 ... this is yet to be confirmed -- but there is a possibility, albeit small, that I am not a complete idiot. Probably still mostly an idiot, but there may be a glimmer of "not an idiot" in there. May 18 17:55:38 nt4cats: $1.49 May 18 18:03:36 ping oil May 18 18:35:10 * nt4cats has sorta figured out how an Ubuogether. May 18 18:35:41 Ubuogether? May 18 18:35:49 * nt4cats has sorta figured out how an Ubuntu LiveCD is put together (for a webos-internals project) May 18 18:36:08 oh right! should have remembered. May 18 18:36:35 ka6sox: I'm building a livecd in a VM ... it just pegged i/o, I guess and interrupted the flow of keys to my host GUI May 18 18:36:41 hi ka6sox May 18 18:36:49 morning swisstomcat May 18 18:37:29 * swisstomcat is working on the preware translation again .. found more untranslated stuff May 18 18:37:58 swisstomcat, thats real important work...not something I can do with High School Spanish :D May 18 18:38:16 you can do the spanish translation :) May 18 18:38:32 there are people from .es who can do it much better than me! May 18 18:39:16 I'm working on writing a service now. May 18 18:43:24 nt4cats, having a livecd would be real nice. May 18 18:44:49 ping oil_ May 18 18:53:41 ka6sox: I've tried to let everyone know that I don't have a lot of time for side projects, but I'm chipping away at this whenever i can May 18 18:54:13 I hear ya. May 18 18:54:44 I've got the basic novaterm-bootstrap script complete and a 'prerequisite check' script that inspects the USB bus to look for a developer-mode Pre ... May 18 18:55:29 thats significant. May 18 18:55:49 ... and today I figured out how to modify the grub2 config on an Ubuntu LiveCD, so I'm hoping that a few hours of packaging and testing will result in a LiveCD that people can actually play with May 18 18:56:48 * nt4cats was surprised at how different Ubuntu is than the Fedora/RedHat world he's used to May 18 19:00:50 (and then I need to document the build process so people can make their own LiveCDs) May 18 19:10:59 brb May 18 19:32:17 swisstomcat: ? May 18 19:32:50 oh, hello May 18 19:32:59 i'm working on the german preware translation May 18 19:33:04 i can't find a dialog May 18 19:33:06 ok May 18 19:33:22 the one that's displayed after you add a custom feed (reload feeds now ... or something like that) May 18 19:33:28 where's that text? May 18 19:33:42 main-assistant May 18 19:34:08 allright, found it May 18 19:34:26 i'll just $L as needed? May 18 19:34:29 add May 18 19:34:33 yeah May 18 19:38:18 * oil always forgets $L :/ May 18 19:38:47 no problem May 18 19:39:02 to punch you, we will set your Pre to chinese language May 18 19:39:22 that'd be fun May 18 19:39:24 or finnish May 18 19:39:34 finnish is too easy May 18 19:39:36 no good May 18 19:39:44 i know how everything works and what buttons do what May 18 19:39:48 Hyyvää May 18 19:39:49 i dont need to read any of it :) May 18 19:39:56 öljy on hauska mies May 18 19:40:08 öljy=oil May 18 19:42:25 is it just me or can't i remove feeds? May 18 19:42:31 from the preware feeds page May 18 19:43:02 enable the feed, then swipe it May 18 19:43:15 what if they're disabled? May 18 19:43:28 enable the feed then swipe it :) May 18 19:43:34 heh May 18 19:43:42 öljy on hauska mies May 18 19:43:57 they don't stick May 18 19:44:44 I am offended when foreigners don't have the common courtesy to speak English. May 18 19:45:27 * nt4cats felt the need to wrap that in "sarcasm" tags lest someone think I'm one of the idiots who actually think that way May 18 19:45:50 hehe May 18 19:46:24 nt4cats Ei haw the körtäsie tu spieck inglisch wiss ju tu May 18 19:47:54 MetaView: una hamburguesa con queso May 18 19:48:10 yummy May 18 19:48:39 nt4cats: I'm not Spain May 18 19:48:50 if i delete a feed it's back after i go back to the feeds scene May 18 19:49:13 MetaView: That's my best Non-English, sorry. May 18 19:49:32 ok :) May 18 19:49:42 wollen sie ein bier trinken, nt4cats? May 18 19:50:10 MetaView: My father used to say unspeakable things in Italian -- which I can repeat phonetically, but I couldn't spell them. May 18 19:50:37 my dad use to do the same thing May 18 19:50:42 but replace italian with finnish May 18 19:50:55 swisstomcat: ja! May 18 19:51:01 swisstomcat: then its a service problem :) May 18 19:51:14 hah May 18 19:51:29 who wrote the service? rwhitby? May 18 19:51:36 yep May 18 19:52:05 hmm May 18 19:52:13 anyone speak spanish in here? May 18 19:52:21 * nt4cats thinks he just agreed with a statement about drinking beer, but I'm not really sure. May 18 19:52:27 and want to verify my 3 years of half-remembered spanish? May 18 19:52:35 HattCzech: una hamburguesa con queso May 18 19:52:46 * oil quickly opens google translate xD May 18 19:52:49 yes, i do like hamburgers with cheese :) May 18 19:53:01 lol, that's what helped me finish, oil ;) May 18 19:53:07 HattCzech: you're an alien. Humans call them Cheeseburgers. May 18 19:53:20 hahahah May 18 19:53:38 nt4cats: they are not the same May 18 19:53:51 cheeseburger ~= hamburger w/ cheese May 18 19:54:08 * nt4cats wonders if Puffy is an alien, too May 18 19:54:12 a royale with cheese May 18 19:54:20 nt4cats: no need to wonder May 18 19:54:21 lol May 18 19:54:27 swisstomcat: a royale is a sub May 18 19:54:33 with saussage and cappicola May 18 19:54:36 and provalone May 18 19:54:36 not in france? May 18 19:54:42 are u in france? May 18 19:54:49 * nt4cats has to go get on a train -- will be back online in ~20 minutes May 18 19:55:15 how do I remove a theme so I can put a different one on istead? May 18 19:55:22 lol May 18 19:55:26 with webos dr May 18 19:55:50 i havent heard anyone mention themes in forever May 18 19:56:39 cause everyone realized they're more trouble then they're worth xD May 18 19:56:49 i would hope so May 18 19:57:12 yeah, they mess things up quite a bit May 18 19:57:28 i'd just like to replace a few things... instead of the whole phone May 18 19:57:31 I thougt web os dr reset the the phone and erased info May 18 19:57:36 mainly, the phone image May 18 19:57:45 i've pushed some german translation updates of preare May 18 19:57:47 biegmann: webos dr put it back to out of the box state May 18 19:57:48 preware May 18 19:58:12 biegmann: my comment was more wise ass than pratical May 18 19:58:14 good work May 18 19:58:20 biegmann: i beleive there are ways to remove themes May 18 19:58:34 but clean way is to just doctor it May 18 19:58:46 ok? I'm new @ the whole messing with the phone thing May 18 19:59:16 remind me not to do any themes. May 18 19:59:18 biegmann: if u are gonna be playing with homebrew/patches/themes May 18 19:59:26 biegmann: u will need to get used to doctoring your phone May 18 19:59:36 its usually a last resort for noobs May 18 19:59:47 i think most vets got straight to the dr. May 18 19:59:53 of course i've never asked anyone this May 18 19:59:55 just assuming May 18 20:00:47 thanks, I guess I'll have to do some more research May 18 20:01:04 biegmann: i would advise avoiding themes May 18 20:01:13 biegmann: till palm comes with a real API for doing themes May 18 20:01:18 or till we make a real API May 18 20:01:24 current themes are half backed May 18 20:01:31 and implemented really bad May 18 20:01:44 *cracks knuckles* i'm on it ;) May 18 20:01:59 i've wanted to do something for that, but haven't had the time May 18 20:02:08 hurry up May 18 20:02:11 HattCzech: me and egaduet put a lot of thought into this before May 18 20:02:19 HattCzech: we had some plans May 18 20:02:21 thing is May 18 20:02:29 this will require a framework patch May 18 20:02:33 to do properly May 18 20:02:34 seems that way, since there's no simple way for me to remove the current them May 18 20:02:42 oh really? why a framework patch? May 18 20:02:43 biegmann: remove the ipkg May 18 20:03:08 it would need to be a collection of magical donkey punches? May 18 20:03:09 HattCzech: we were working on a way to create themes with out themes needing to patch anything May 18 20:03:14 biegmann: use preware to remove it, but there may be leftover stuff May 18 20:03:19 so basically 1 patch to add a theme API to the framework May 18 20:03:21 remove it with web dr May 18 20:03:34 HattCzech: and it involved a service May 18 20:03:36 ahhh, that would be cool May 18 20:03:36 to switch themes May 18 20:03:46 and themes need to not include patches May 18 20:03:53 right May 18 20:03:55 that was the goal May 18 20:04:02 its not an easy task May 18 20:04:06 i thought the whole patching thing was a bit much May 18 20:04:09 if i put any more effort into this May 18 20:04:13 but moving and replacing images seemed fine May 18 20:04:16 i would want someone with palm working on this with us May 18 20:04:26 and expectations that palm woud adopt this May 18 20:04:29 cause its gonna be a lot of work May 18 20:04:32 lol May 18 20:04:39 if only palm would hire me May 18 20:04:41 i'd do it May 18 20:04:49 and by palm you mean hp? May 18 20:04:56 either/or ;) May 18 20:05:05 thanks, take care May 18 20:05:05 who said they are going to kill Palm as a brand? May 18 20:05:07 well, good luck May 18 20:05:09 it's not complete yet May 18 20:07:03 i think they'll keep the palm name May 18 20:07:14 i hope they do May 18 20:07:16 of course they will May 18 20:07:17 ipaq = shitty name May 18 20:07:21 lol May 18 20:07:21 ++ May 18 20:07:59 hahaahahah, sooooo true May 18 20:07:59 HP is not a mobile phone name May 18 20:08:01 never will May 18 20:08:10 they would be asshats to kill the Palm name May 18 20:08:24 well they still use compaq May 18 20:08:30 so i dont see why they would kill the palm name May 18 20:08:34 exactly May 18 20:08:52 have u guys noticed May 18 20:09:00 the increase of HP commercials lately May 18 20:09:44 good signs if they are gonna be competing with the apple advertising machine May 18 20:10:13 i thought that's all apple was :) May 18 20:16:59 there are patches using a folder named "scrim" in internal? or was it "scrims" ? May 18 20:22:54 bummer that can't test pdk stuff in the emulator :( May 18 20:23:11 Can anyone help? Im trying to install preware. I installed webos and click the blue arrow and nothing happens. May 18 20:26:13 which instructions are you following, frank? May 18 20:26:57 ones i found on the pre central site. May 18 20:27:18 you choose preware from the list? May 18 20:27:23 select it May 18 20:27:47 from what list? May 18 20:28:11 http://preware.org/#/install/ May 18 20:28:13 try that May 18 20:28:16 for reference May 18 20:29:19 yes. i have done all of this. May 18 20:29:53 where it says to click the third button(blue arrow) it doesnt do anything. May 18 20:31:29 Choose WebOS Internals Feed (Pre) or WebOS Internals Feed (Pixi) from the dropdown list at the top.5. Select Preware from the list. May 18 20:31:45 did you do those two steps? May 18 20:32:21 i do not see that anywhere.? May 18 20:32:51 When I click the arrow it doesnt do antthing at all. May 18 20:33:47 you can run webosquickinstall? May 18 20:34:25 hey lemketron :) May 18 20:34:25 i have it on my screen. it just doesnt do anything. May 18 20:34:40 does that step work? 3. Press the third button on the right May 18 20:34:58 nope. nothing happens May 18 20:35:26 hey May 18 20:35:36 did you get rid of that last chocolate bar? May 18 20:36:17 um.... no, but I'm guarding it. actually some of those guys just moved over to our building; I wonder if he did too... I'll check. May 18 20:36:56 great May 18 20:37:17 i'm surprised you managed to refrain from eating it :) May 18 20:37:31 It's milk chocolate. :-) May 18 20:37:39 it's not dark .. true May 18 20:38:02 did you hear what caused those background services to disappear in the end? May 18 20:38:03 Hey, he just moved (yesterday) into about two rows away from me. I'll go drop it off. :-) May 18 20:38:12 cool, thanks May 18 20:38:17 biab May 18 20:38:29 i'm off to bed, ttyl May 18 20:43:55 got my replacement pre! May 18 20:44:11 too bad the screen looked like someone had wiped fingerprint oil all underneath the screen May 18 20:44:16 the entire thing was fuzzy, you could see RGB noise May 18 20:44:22 had to call sprint for another replacement. May 18 20:44:38 got it today, very satisfied. now just redoing everything... sigh May 18 20:50:30 is there a way to take a photo using lua-send? May 18 20:54:59 preware needs a queue in it May 18 20:55:27 it'd be useful, esp. for people reloading their device, or new users installing lots of stuff May 18 22:21:05 how to download May 18 22:27:08 so I was just daydreaming whilst on the toilet and I must say, apart from the obvious smartphones and tablets I would *really* like to see WebOS on a refrigerator May 18 22:27:47 on my fridge currently there is: a dry erase calendar, recipes, photos, various notes. think about it May 18 22:28:50 have a couple of decent speakers too and listen to slacker/pandora while in the kitchen or play cooking show clips May 18 22:37:48 is there a trick to get the webos testing feed to load into WOSQI 3.12? May 18 22:39:59 phil_bw: that is an awesome idea :) May 18 22:40:26 basically I am about to setup my new Pre (4th) which should be at home and Need to be able to isntall preware 1.0.2 on it to make sure its compatiable with my saved pkg list May 18 22:41:34 dtzWill, I could also see them selling a stand alone package that's basically just a screen and slim speakers that could be mounted on the fridge using heavy duty magnets or hung on any wall May 18 22:42:06 phil_bw: yep. i would imagine that wouldn't be too far off, at least as a DIY-style thing.. once x86 webos takes off May 18 22:42:19 (possible presently, but lack of proper apps, etc, might be a deal breaker) May 18 22:42:43 yeah, I can't wait May 18 22:44:01 dtzWill, I migrated the f3 project over to my computer today. up until now I was doing *all* of the work from my pre itself, was rather slow doing it that way. I now have a virtualbox setup with a debian install that uses shared folders to my host windows box so I can edit all of the files in komodo like my other projects, it's pretty slick May 18 22:45:06 phil_bw: excellent. errr x works on the emulator?? May 18 22:45:38 no no, I have a *debian* install (no emulator involved) and have X set to start at 480x320 May 18 22:45:48 phil_bw: ah, understood. May 18 22:46:22 it's nice, can make a quick edit to a config file in komodo then just have fvwm restart itself (whcih takes 2 sec) and see my changes May 18 22:46:48 phil_bw: :D \o/ for good dev env May 18 22:47:51 dtzWill, yes, the config files are also available via git. you can just git clone that repo and copy it's contents (don't forget hidden files) into the .fvwm directory in your ~ and it just works May 18 22:48:21 \o/ May 18 22:48:29 what's all this about webos on a ..printer? May 18 22:48:44 I like the idea May 18 22:48:57 i just don't get it. so my printer will be able to run..apps? o_O May 18 22:49:12 I own a PhotoSmart Premium that has a *ton* of features and although the UI is quite nice WebOS would make it better May 18 22:49:20 I see it more of an embedded system May 18 22:50:08 if you need to print a doc you open the doc app, photos the photo app, etc May 18 22:50:17 need to make copies you can open the copy app May 18 22:50:37 phil_bw: ah, silly me thinking it meant webos as we have it now May 18 22:51:41 even if it only ran one app and actually didn't multitask it'd make a world of difference since the WebOS UI is very user-friendly May 18 22:52:07 phil_bw: if you have just the one app, what ui have you got? js/html with some widgets? May 18 22:52:36 dtzWill, yep basically, with a very nice "stacking" hierarchy May 18 22:53:10 though in reality I see it using seperate apps for the major tasks May 18 22:54:10 with like an HP app store built in May 18 22:54:22 so if you wanted to upload to facebook from your printer you could get that app May 18 22:54:50 brb, kid is crank May 18 23:03:03 shiny camera is shiny May 18 23:53:05 phil_bw: "there's a patch for that" ;-) May 19 00:00:54 * rwhitby listens to PalmCast Live May 19 00:06:14 zsoc: finally fixed the X stuff from your cc transformation :) May 19 00:07:54 dtzWill: Oh goody :) May 19 00:11:09 dtzWill: you are awesome :) May 19 00:13:25 zsoc: hardly. haha but \o/ we can build x again, as well as fixed other things May 19 00:14:01 fun May 19 00:14:09 we still need to release cool x things May 19 00:14:14 like pidgin :> May 19 00:25:03 rwhittby got a shout out hehe May 19 00:25:21 for what? May 19 00:26:13 on the palmcast, he told Deiter it's not a security problem to set clock back re: cert hehe May 19 01:08:46 hmm May 19 01:19:42 zsoc: yes we do. May 19 01:28:28 does webos automatically turn up the processor speed when SDL is running? May 19 01:33:02 RagingMind: It's called 'turbo mode', and yes, it goes to 600mhz May 19 01:33:42 is there a way to create an attachment for an email from data? May 19 01:38:14 so if X is using SDL then every time X starts it goes to 600? May 19 01:38:42 yes May 19 01:39:35 My phone is at 800 all the time. May 19 01:39:58 if I fiddle with mine I put it on conservative from 250-720 May 19 01:40:01 well unless you cheat and clock your phone like zsoc :P May 19 01:40:38 but it still crashes more often that way :( May 19 01:41:15 mine havent crashed since .1 May 19 01:41:23 My phone have never crashed at 800. May 19 01:42:06 well, unless luna restarts are crashes May 19 01:42:37 does anyone know if there's a way to dynamically create an email attachment in webos for an email from data? May 19 01:42:48 i use 720Mhz May 19 01:42:57 all the time and i'm fine with it May 19 01:43:15 i havent seen much difference between 720 and 800 May 19 01:43:46 ok movie time May 19 01:43:50 can anyome help me with an error installing the send all contacts via email patch? May 19 01:43:53 The book of eli in HD ;) May 19 01:44:29 work is paying for my team to see Iron Man 2 tomorrow cause we are just awesome like that May 19 01:44:35 *the team I'm on May 19 01:44:51 yeah right May 19 01:45:19 they don't want u to fubar anything so they sending u to see gay movie May 19 01:45:20 :D May 19 01:45:45 it's after we all get out of work so we don't actually get any time off for it May 19 01:46:09 rotfl May 19 01:46:20 so sausage party then ;) May 19 01:47:52 the other gay guy quite a while ago May 19 01:47:58 donrhumm: did you try #webos ? I would *guest* that depending on the type of data, you may need to write an actual file format encoder dealio May 19 01:48:07 and the hot straight guy quite today... May 19 01:48:55 RagingMind, lol r u in the rainbow team? May 19 01:49:30 LMAO May 19 01:49:44 "the hot straight guy" May 19 01:49:48 lol at this May 19 01:49:59 I haven't heard it phrased that way since high school May 19 01:50:14 PrimerFender: I've tried a ton of times and for whatever reason I cannot post there. May 19 01:50:23 RagingMind, hehehehe May 19 01:50:41 donrhumm, because karma is a b.... May 19 01:50:45 on a webos related tangent... I've noticed there are lots of apps for backgrounds of hit girls but none for hot men May 19 01:51:05 *hot May 19 01:51:19 i'm not gonna comment on this one May 19 01:51:20 :S May 19 01:51:37 en0x: some might find your rainbow comment offensive May 19 01:51:49 i will however, say that we need a hit girls app. May 19 01:51:52 zsoc, i find ur nick offensive May 19 01:52:06 unixpsycho, have there been any updates to your screenstate kernel? May 19 01:52:15 en0x: i reserve the right to ban anyone who uses aolspeak May 19 01:52:19 that was one hell of a typo... May 19 01:52:24 zsoc, good May 19 01:53:23 hmm May 19 01:53:28 the new hotmail gonna be hot May 19 01:53:40 i wonder if they will finally add imap support May 19 01:53:40 :D May 19 01:55:32 I wish delete actually worked in imap :( May 19 01:56:00 en0x: I'm confused. What did I do to you? May 19 01:57:18 donrhumm, it was a joke May 19 01:57:20 omg May 19 01:57:59 um, ok. But it implied I'd done something to deserve it, so just wanted to check. May 19 02:02:27 donrhumm: there was a spam problem a while back, and all the channels were restricted to registered users only. we've unrestricted this channel, but the Palm folks have not yet done that for #webos. May 19 02:03:13 thanks rhitby. how do I get registered for it? May 19 02:03:33 see the Freenode documentation on how to register with nickserv May 19 02:05:31 do palm folks actually run #webos? May 19 02:07:06 no May 19 02:15:13 palm folks have op privs in #webos, and the channel is mentioned on developer.palm.com May 19 02:16:25 ah May 19 02:16:30 that's almost as nifty May 19 02:17:19 I don't know whether the actual ownership of the channel has been transferred to a Palm employee, but it's effectively o. May 19 02:17:20 so. May 19 02:17:51 I have no privs there, so cannot make the required change. May 19 02:18:49 it is nifty to think that people at the company that make my phone hang out on IRC and chat with the people that actually use the phone May 19 02:18:53 very nifty May 19 02:19:24 RagingMind: and you can use your phone to chat with the people that make your phone better ;) May 19 02:20:01 it's nice having a device that just holding makes my inner geek squeak May 19 02:43:51 yoh May 19 02:43:52 whats good May 19 02:53:31 oc80z: preware 1.0.3 avoiding webos 1.4 rescan bug May 19 02:56:25 hey EvanDotPro **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2010