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May 20 03:01:57 <hckyplayer024> unixpsycho: has there been an update to your screenstate kernal yet?
May 20 03:02:43 <uNiXpSyChO> why do you ask?
May 20 03:02:55 <uNiXpSyChO> is it that broken?
May 20 03:03:22 <hckyplayer024> remember I was helping you test the newest code you had that was able to go under 500?
May 20 03:03:56 <uNiXpSyChO> i thought you had it already?
May 20 03:04:39 <hckyplayer024> I do I'd just rather install it through preware because I have my phone set to reboot everynight
May 20 03:06:23 <uNiXpSyChO> oh.  its not available through preware yet.  and i gave up on speeds lower than 500.  too many users complaining about their Pre's freezing.
May 20 03:07:05 <hckyplayer024> ohh that sucks. saved me a good amount of battery
May 20 03:08:28 <uNiXpSyChO> it seems that if i give the option for users to set the min speed they set it low then complain.  they blame me for bad code instead of reading previous posts saying some Pre's just cant handle low speeds.
May 20 03:10:19 <uNiXpSyChO> whenever the next version of govnah comes out that saves the profile and activates it on reboot then i'll add it back in.
May 20 03:11:14 <hckyplayer024> that would be great! any idea when you'll be able to add your kernels into the testing feed as well?
May 20 03:13:59 <uNiXpSyChO> i have no idea?  i guess i should get off my a$$ and make it happen.  :-)
May 20 03:14:09 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 20 03:15:55 <uNiXpSyChO> if you really want the 125 you can install the ipk i had for it... i think you were doing the one-shot boot
May 20 03:16:35 <hckyplayer024> yeah I was doing the one-shot. wasn't aware there was an ipk
May 20 03:16:44 <hckyplayer024> is it on your website?
May 20 03:17:06 <uNiXpSyChO> it was...  let me grab a link of what it was
May 20 03:18:07 <uNiXpSyChO> http://unixpsycho.com/com.unixpsycho.kernel_1.4.4_armv7.ipk
May 20 03:19:02 <hckyplayer024> awesome thanks!
May 20 03:19:54 <VincentLaw> wait, screenstate caps at 500mhz now? that sucks >.>
May 20 03:21:13 <hckyplayer024> well the current version in the uberkernel can't go below 500mhz when the screen is off
May 20 03:21:44 <hckyplayer024> with the screenstate gov.
May 20 03:22:28 <uNiXpSyChO> yep.  nothing new there.
May 20 03:24:22 <uNiXpSyChO> i think i'll blame ka6sox for me not getting psychokernel into preware feed since he has me trying to boot 2.6.34 on a Pre ;p
May 20 03:24:36 <hckyplayer024> I personally like the screenstate because it jumps right to 800 when I turn on the screen. when I tried the ondemand with a min of 125 it sometimes takes a while to scale up in speed and it's a little laggy when you first turn it on. but I've had no problems with the screenstate
May 20 03:24:56 <ka6sox> LOL!!!
May 20 03:25:42 <uNiXpSyChO> ondemand = suck
May 20 03:26:00 <ka6sox> ondemand == FAIL
May 20 03:26:19 <hckyplayer024> agreed
May 20 03:26:47 <uNiXpSyChO> you should be ashamed of yourself!  proper C syntax is "=".
May 20 03:27:15 * ka6sox rolls eyes
May 20 03:27:40 <uNiXpSyChO> unless you said if(ondemand == FAIL) reboot
May 20 03:27:46 <uNiXpSyChO> ;-)
May 20 03:28:39 <ka6sox> I told him we should try to get Beagleboard 2.6.28-28 working :D
May 20 03:29:16 <uNiXpSyChO> Puff will frown at us.  he demands 2.6.34
May 20 03:29:49 <ka6sox> then he can bring up bleeding edge...
May 20 03:36:06 <ka6sox> yay!!! HP is going to fix printing in webos....We don't have to do it! w00t!
May 20 03:36:57 <hckyplayer024> yeah HP is def a good thing for webos. any word on how they feel about the homebrew community?
May 20 03:37:30 <uNiXpSyChO> HP will have us silenced
May 20 03:40:20 <hckyplayer024> lol
May 20 03:40:44 <ka6sox> so besides giving us information on the status (space left and used) in different partitions/how long you can expect your battery to last (given current conditions) and various temps what else should the new monitoring APP do?
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May 20 04:05:55 <ka6sox> huge netsplit and we still have over 100 here.
May 20 04:06:37 <geist> this is the best side anyway
May 20 04:15:12 <ka6sox> geist, indeed
May 20 04:22:26 <rwhitby> this is always the best side
May 20 04:28:38 <HattCzech_> hmmm... debating doctoring my phone to the early access sprint version...
May 20 04:28:41 <HattCzech_> anyone done that yet?
May 20 04:30:03 <rwhitby> HattCzech_: anyone who did would not be able to talk about it publicly .... hint, hint.
May 20 04:30:42 <HattCzech_> hehehe
May 20 04:30:55 <HattCzech_> hmmm
May 20 04:31:23 <HattCzech_> not tonight, but thanks for the insight
May 20 04:44:20 <ka6sox> I was wrong..the one that has musb and ehci is 2.6.32.8-x8.0
May 20 05:44:11 <mikePre> rwhitby, all 82 patches installed perfectly on 1.0.4, just wanted to let you know
May 20 05:44:20 <rwhitby> mikePre: thx
May 20 05:44:35 <rwhitby> mikePre: via save/restore preware saved package list?
May 20 05:45:12 <mikePre> so thats like tsting 1/3 of them....yeah, I isntalld preware 1.0.4 through shell, installed save/restore, restored preware only, let it run...
May 20 05:45:38 <mikePre> there were 3 errors, but they were patches that were "applied" but not applued due to the previos issue with the patches
May 20 05:46:09 <mikePre> i missed them removing, but once I removed those from the list in preware saved, the rest continued, in less than than 40 minutes I would say
May 20 05:46:40 <rwhitby> swiped to remove them from the saved package list?
May 20 05:47:05 <mikePre> yep, but i did notice that you have to go back to the  main scene or it will continue to try and load the previously swiped one
May 20 05:47:21 <mikePre> one i went back to main screen and cme back in, it then went to the next one
May 20 05:50:07 <rwhitby> mikePre: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/29
May 20 05:51:40 <mikePre> sweet, let me try one more thing, I swiped, and might not waited long enough for it to re-write the pkg list, does it attempt that after tehe swipe?
May 20 05:55:47 <mikePre> i just tried it again, since I was able to restore the preware saved list, it does refresh,  it takes 3 seconds, and apprently i was that impatient, and it looked to me that going back to main scene activated it, but it was purely a timing thing...
May 20 05:56:21 <rwhitby> so it's not a problem?
May 20 05:57:07 <mikePre> i am trying one more to confirm...it looks like it says it saved it.. in the notification, but i think it tried the same pkg again, give me 5 and I will know for sure
May 20 05:57:19 <rwhitby> ok, thx
May 20 06:00:44 <mikePre> OK, I am sure....you swipe, it removes it from the list, and then says, wrote package list....if u then press install all, it does the same one again, if I go back to main screen, go back into saved list, and press install all, it does the next one...
May 20 06:00:52 <mikePre> and thats my final answer,
May 20 06:11:05 <rwhitby> mikePre: thx
May 20 06:16:24 <mikePre> np rwhitby, saved me so much time, glad to help out when I can
May 20 06:16:26 <mikePre> is there a place I can check reported defects for save/restore?, i have seen multiple times that it does not load the saved data on first load, if I go into the preferences or help and come back, then it loads, and one time it loaded all saved data twice, so i had 9 saved items, and one time mit shows 18, 2 for each one
May 20 06:18:04 <rwhitby> mikePre: yeah, I need to create a Trac for save/restore
May 20 06:18:13 <rwhitby> just post it in the thread for the moment
May 20 06:18:41 <mikePre> ok i saved it in my notes, I will post it otmorrow, 1120 here, need to get some sleep, catch ya later
May 20 06:19:37 <rwhitby> ciao
May 20 06:20:37 <PrimerFender> rwhitby: who makes novacom?
May 20 06:21:00 <rwhitby> palm
May 20 06:22:43 <PrimerFender> thanks
May 20 07:07:22 * rwhitby flashes webOS 1.4.2 onto a Sprint device ...
May 20 07:11:59 <hckyplayer024_> whats 1.4.2 have the 1.4.1.1 doesnt?
May 20 07:13:15 <oil> 0.0.0.9?
May 20 07:13:41 <hckyplayer024_> lol
May 20 07:14:45 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024_: probably nothing, but if we're to release a UberKernel for 1.4.2, then it needs to be tested on something first
May 20 07:15:06 <rwhitby> oh, anyone here with an AT&T device?
May 20 07:17:30 <rwhitby> I love how my freshly doctored devices are now automatically connected to wifi thanks to meta-doctor preconfiguring wifi profiles :)
May 20 07:20:27 <hckyplayer024_> that is pretty awesome, i havent gotten around to using meta doctor but next time i need to doctor I will def. do it
May 20 07:23:02 <rwhitby> now that's interesting.  running webOS 1.4.2 on a sprint device only has 860 apps in the app catalog
May 20 07:25:09 <oil> do you have labels on the pres to know which is which?
May 20 07:25:41 * oil wants to see picture of all rwhitbys pres and pixis in one big pile
May 20 07:27:20 <rwhitby> oil: I have been considering labels, yes.
May 20 07:27:22 <rwhitby> or a patch which shows the palm profile name instead of the carrier
May 20 07:27:37 <oil> the problem with labels, is if you ever take the backs off
May 20 07:27:44 <oil> unless you put it on the top or hte mirror or something
May 20 07:28:01 <rwhitby> I have two GSM and 3 CDMA devices on the desk at the moment, on three touchstones.  Two other CDMA devices in pieces nearby.
May 20 07:28:12 <oil> pile them up and take a pic
May 20 07:28:14 <oil> :)
May 20 07:28:50 <hckyplayer024_> and you can't use any of them in australia?
May 20 07:32:04 <rwhitby> two of them work in australia
May 20 07:32:10 <rwhitby> oil: pics on the way
May 20 07:32:16 <oil> haha
May 20 07:36:04 <rwhitby> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6032&id=100000945663419&l=12b160c61f
May 20 07:36:32 <rwhitby> oil: that what you were after?
May 20 07:36:43 <oil> lol
May 20 07:36:54 <oil> in my mind the pile was more messy, but that works
May 20 07:36:54 <oil> haha
May 20 07:43:45 <rwhitby> oil: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6032&id=100000945663419&l=12b160c61f
May 20 07:44:00 <oil> there we go, haha
May 20 07:46:18 <Kyusaku> haha
May 20 08:04:31 <rwhitby> oil: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=82106&l=91bf82a662&id=100000945663419
May 20 08:05:20 <oil> lol @ stickey over version number
May 20 08:07:06 <rwhitby> did you know if you tap on the version, it tells you the build number?
May 20 08:07:52 <rwhitby> had to blank out the numbers that were stuck in the CDMA devices too.  Need to work out how to clear those.
May 20 08:07:53 <oil> you should have changed that app to display "Palm webOS 2.0" for the picture xD
May 20 08:08:20 <oil> people would see it and be all wtf?
May 20 08:11:14 * rwhitby bbl
May 20 09:02:46 <bsm> hm interesting, preware just lost all my installed packages after the last preware update :(
May 20 09:06:16 <bsm> the packages are still there in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications, but ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list gives me nothing :(
May 20 09:14:11 <bsm> ok, no ones here, so I'll just keep asking. where goes the "Saved Package List"?
May 20 09:18:28 <hape> bsm: Bad timing. The guys should be back in 5-6 hours. rwhitby is the one to ask.
May 20 10:25:53 <rwhitby> bsm: run the emergency reconstruction utility
May 20 10:28:44 <hape> oh, rwhitby you still awake..
May 20 10:30:43 <rwhitby> hape: only 8pm here
May 20 11:21:56 <hape> ok, I assued it would be later
May 20 11:23:04 <hape> by the way as question that I what to ask you thince a wile ago. Do you do webosinternals as your main job? As I would not know how I should find the time that you invest beside my normal work and famely live
May 20 12:58:43 <en0x> hmm
May 20 14:39:49 <HattCzech> rwhitby: fyi... i was doing an update to a few apps through preware (mazer, preware, pre backup utility, and save/restore)... looks like it installed one... then did some java restart thing i believe... then i got... "downloading / updating, transferred: not / (6), time left: DNS, transfer speed: servers)"
May 20 14:40:27 <HattCzech> went back, and now i see only pre backup utility was updated
May 20 14:40:32 <rwhitby> HattCzech: I suspect one of them did an unconditional Java restart, and that kills your network connection.
May 20 14:40:38 <rwhitby> Which of them has a Java service?
May 20 14:40:45 <HattCzech> pre backup
May 20 14:41:26 <rwhitby> check it's postinstall script - I bet it does a java restart instead of just setting the flag and letting Preware or WOSQI do it at the end
May 20 14:42:49 <HattCzech> where would i find the postinstall script?
May 20 14:43:03 <rwhitby> HattCzech: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.postinst
May 20 14:43:09 <HattCzech> thanks
May 20 14:44:36 <HattCzech> indeed
May 20 14:44:44 <HattCzech> there's a stop and a start at the end of the postinst
May 20 14:45:47 <HattCzech> question about services and security...
May 20 14:46:12 <HattCzech> would it be possible (and secure) to tie into the mojo messaging service?
May 20 15:10:23 <rwhitby> what do you mean by the mojo messaging service?
May 20 15:11:29 <drnull> so this is embarrassing... I know about the webos patches portal.  But I just finished up a patch for email that gives you a move-to command button with a popup of the folders (instead of taking you to a new scene).  I have no idea how the patching system works though.  I changed one file in the email app.  Any pointers?
May 20 15:11:49 <drnull> I'm reading through http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/210781-unified-diff-creator.html but then somebody has to generate a .ipk file for preware... who maintains that?
May 20 15:14:04 <rwhitby> drnull: the ipk file is created automatically by our autobuilder
May 20 15:14:30 <rwhitby> drnull: once a new patch is submitted, dBsooner then creates the makefile fragment which drives the packaging
May 20 15:18:51 <drnull> rwhitby: thanks, so I just have to submit the .patch file, description, etc and (preferably) a screenshot.  Sounds easy enough.
May 20 15:19:08 <HattCzech> rwhitby: the service that gets text messages
May 20 15:19:29 <rwhitby> drnull: yep.  once you've done a couple, you can create them directly in the git repo and not have to go through the portal any more
May 20 15:19:30 <HattCzech> i tie into with my txt manager app (using com.palm namespace), but i'm wondering if i can make a service
May 20 15:40:06 <vb994p> Hey gurus:  What's the difference between Save/Restore and the Pre Backup Utility?  Do I need to be concerned about interactions if I use both?
May 20 15:47:46 <HattCzech> not really
May 20 15:47:58 <HattCzech> they do different things
May 20 15:49:04 <HattCzech> pre backup gets your call and sms logs
May 20 15:49:09 <HattCzech> and works (for me at least)
May 20 15:49:50 <vb994p> does Pre Backup do everything Save/Restore does and more?
May 20 15:49:57 <HattCzech> save/restore is more of app settings and stuff
May 20 15:50:48 <HattCzech> i'd say use pre backup for call/sms stuff
May 20 15:51:02 <HattCzech> and then save restore for apps and other things
May 20 15:51:22 <HattCzech> i never used pre backup for app stuff, but in theory, it should work
May 20 15:54:17 <vb994p> Where is app stuff stored?
May 20 15:57:45 <vb994p> It's hard for me to verify what Pre Backup is actually doing because the latest 7zip can't open its .tar.gz files.
May 20 15:59:39 <en0x> uze winrar :p
May 20 15:59:47 <MetaView> look here http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=424
May 20 16:00:12 <MetaView> at the bottom, it creates notmal tar.gz for each app in the USB drive, folder MyBackups
May 20 16:03:01 <HattCzech> 7zip can open them
May 20 16:03:04 <HattCzech> that's what i used
May 20 16:09:22 <vb994p> thanks, i'll double check again w/7zip
May 20 16:15:58 <HattCzech> vb994p: after looking at those files again... i see your point
May 20 16:16:14 <HattCzech> 7zip doesn't seem to be working
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May 20 16:39:38 <mumbles> is anyone else having problems with accaes a gmail account with there palm pre?
May 20 16:42:51 <HattCzech> not me
May 20 16:43:27 <mumbles> HattCzech:  odd i cant send receve now.
May 20 16:43:35 <mumbles> it was working fine at the begining of the week
May 20 16:43:50 <HattCzech> i just added a new account to mine yesterday
May 20 16:43:56 <HattCzech> both appear to be working
May 20 16:44:13 <mumbles> i need to reformat my phone anyway
May 20 16:44:17 <HattCzech> are you getting any errors or anything?
May 20 16:47:33 <mumbles> yeh, unable to sign in  your account is not enabled for imap use.,
May 20 16:47:35 <mumbles> but it is !
May 20 16:49:12 <HattCzech> go check your gmail settings
May 20 16:49:23 <mumbles> have done and i have disabled and reenabled them
May 20 16:49:33 <HattCzech> maybe turn it off and on again? (not sure if that will remove current mail from the folders or not, so check that first)
May 20 16:53:17 <mumbles> have done that.
May 20 16:53:20 <mumbles> dident work.
May 20 16:53:30 <mumbles> just run out of time as well. need to head to my sql corse now
May 20 18:28:59 <flix_> Hey everyone! Ever since I installed Preware 1.0.3 this morning, I can't install anything from the feeds (e.g. Preware 1.0.4 or the new Uber-Kernel). Preware just gets stuck at "Dowloading / Updateing".
May 20 18:29:18 <flix_> is this a bug?
May 20 19:47:52 <Romeo1z> can anyone help me......i installed the uber Kernel for my pre and also installed Govnah......and everytime i look at the mhz meter its flat at 500mhz, is there something i need to do to enable the Kernel?
May 20 19:48:34 <en0x> u have setup the settings after every reboot
May 20 19:48:36 <en0x> afaik
May 20 19:49:51 <Romeo1z> are the settings on the
May 20 19:49:58 <Romeo1z> Govnah or the uber kernel?
May 20 20:38:18 <MetaView> dBsooner ?
May 20 20:40:29 <MetaView> Need help with a patch submission
May 20 21:18:27 <skyweezy> can someone help me?
May 20 21:20:09 <MetaView> very silent here today
May 20 21:22:21 <jacques> ~it's quiet
May 20 21:22:23 <infobot> too quiet.
May 20 21:23:24 <MetaView> ~help
May 20 21:24:15 <MetaView> where can I find dbsooner?
May 20 21:24:22 <MetaView> ~where can I find dbsooner?
May 20 21:24:23 <infobot> [dbsooner] the guy who annoys everyone for no particular reason.. oh and thinks Adora is hot...
May 20 21:24:39 <MetaView> ~you are not of much help
May 20 21:24:40 <infobot> MetaView: what are you talking about?
May 20 21:24:49 <MetaView> ~about you, infobot
May 20 21:25:10 <jacques> ~status
May 20 21:25:11 <infobot> Since Tue May 18 07:40:14 2010, there have been 4 modifications, 99 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 58 commands.  I have been awake for 2d 13h 44m 56s this session, and currently reference 117043 factoids.  I'm using about 21300 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6725.79/180.04 child 0.17/0.05
May 20 21:26:07 <HattCzech> it has been very quiet today
May 20 21:27:35 <skyweezy> yea im having a problem updating somthing
May 20 21:29:09 <HattCzech> updating what?
May 20 21:29:39 <skyweezy> sms tone per contact it keeps saying theres a error
May 20 21:30:23 <zsoc> skyweezy: that's unfortunate
May 20 21:30:58 <skyweezy> so is there anything i can do about it?
May 20 21:31:58 <zsoc> you could try reading the message
May 20 21:35:15 <skyweezy> its wierd its says alot looks like codes or something
May 20 21:39:01 <MetaView> skyweezy: you might have another patch installed in the same area
May 20 21:39:38 <MetaView> can someone help me with patch submission? There is a submission conflict with an old patch of mine which isn't published yet, but which I want to update
May 20 21:39:59 <HattCzech> MetaView: i had many issues when trying to submit my patches
May 20 21:40:04 <HattCzech> never got them worked out :/
May 20 21:40:43 <skyweezy> so how who i remove it or fix it? it wont even let me remove the patch either
May 20 21:41:08 <MetaView> the patch is probably not applied yet
May 20 21:41:15 <MetaView> check all other pacthes you have
May 20 21:42:16 <Mercury> So, is Preware Alpha now depreciated in favor of just running Preware 1.x?
May 20 21:42:21 <skyweezy> what do you mean? how would I check them?
May 20 21:43:29 <MetaView> do you have some installed?
May 20 21:45:23 <skyweezy> i mean i have lots of patches installed but just this one keeps acting up and wont update or remove
May 20 21:46:16 <MetaView> hm, then call the doctor and fix everything
May 20 21:47:05 <skyweezy> the doctor?
May 20 21:47:28 <Mercury> The WebOS Doctor, blows away everything on your phone.
May 20 21:48:34 <MetaView> no, keeps the internal drive intact
May 20 21:50:00 <skyweezy> how would i do that is that safe?
May 20 21:50:26 <Mercury> MetaView: That has changed somewhat then.
May 20 21:51:05 <Mercury> skyweezy: I think you're missing some punctuation there.
May 20 21:53:13 <skyweezy> yea i know, so how would I start this web doctor thing? Is it safe?
May 20 21:53:40 <MetaView> It basically resets your phone back to vendor condition
May 20 21:53:53 <MetaView> check precentral.net for more infos
May 20 21:55:43 <skyweezy> I would have to do all that just to Fix this one problem? how would I do it?
May 20 21:56:18 <L0cu5t> :O
May 20 21:56:53 * Mercury updates his phone back up to 1.4.0, then hopefully 1.4.1.1.
May 20 22:07:50 <skyweezy> i still dont know how to start it?
May 20 22:59:46 <sky_> i need help
May 20 23:06:21 <oilsworkn> oh yeah?
May 20 23:07:41 <HattCzech> yeah
May 20 23:08:11 <oilsworkn> great
May 20 23:08:54 <oilsworkn> we just switched internets at work
May 20 23:19:46 <HattCzech> that sounds like no fun
May 20 23:19:50 <HattCzech> what made them change?
May 20 23:21:37 <oilsworkn> cause wifi sucks
May 20 23:21:43 <oilsworkn> and microwaves are more better
May 20 23:23:08 <zsoc> wifi is microwave
May 20 23:23:30 <oilsworkn> is it?
May 20 23:23:35 <ka6sox-work> and microwave ovens are in the same band as 802.11b/g
May 20 23:23:39 <ka6sox-work> same frequencies
May 20 23:23:44 <zsoc> identical
May 20 23:23:55 <oilsworkn> huih
May 20 23:24:09 <oilsworkn> this is at a different frequency
May 20 23:24:10 <oilsworkn> its got to be
May 20 23:24:24 <zsoc> 5.0 prolly
May 20 23:24:34 <ka6sox-work> they  both are in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical Band @ around 2.4Ghz
May 20 23:25:02 <ka6sox-work> 5.6-5.9Ghz is 802.11a
May 20 23:25:37 * oilsworkn thought this was different, shows howmuch i know
May 20 23:25:44 <zsoc> i see
May 20 23:26:30 <oilsworkn> ive never seen the old connection we had get very fast
May 20 23:26:35 <oilsworkn> this thing was doin 30mbps
May 20 23:26:49 <oilsworkn> though we're not paying for that speed
May 20 23:26:51 <oilsworkn> dude was just showing me
May 20 23:26:58 <oilsworkn> the company is cheap
May 20 23:27:01 <zsoc> oilsworkn: then i'd imagine it's fiber optic
May 20 23:27:02 <zsoc> or OC
May 20 23:27:06 <oilsworkn> its wireless
May 20 23:27:12 <oilsworkn> we're in the middle of nowhere
May 20 23:27:18 <zsoc> ... huh
May 20 23:27:21 <zsoc> satellite?
May 20 23:27:24 <oilsworkn> no
May 20 23:27:26 <Mercury> ... Installing Virtual Keyboard, I'm at 'Downloading / Installing' 'SUCCESS', and it's just sitting there spinning.
May 20 23:27:28 <zsoc> it's gotta be wired from somewhere
May 20 23:27:33 <oilsworkn> well
May 20 23:27:38 <oilsworkn> there are these hills
May 20 23:27:41 <ka6sox-work> my wireless does about 20mbps
May 20 23:27:42 <oilsworkn> around the valley
May 20 23:27:51 <oilsworkn> they got a tower on the hill behind us
May 20 23:28:50 <ka6sox-work> zsoc, eventually they head into a Wired POP someplace.
May 20 23:29:06 <Mercury> Ah, it does seem to be doing something, just giving some very bad feedback.
May 21 00:19:04 <rolsworth> anyone familiar with both android and webos? I have a pre but interested in knowing what advantages webos holds
May 21 01:11:41 <crashboyd> help cannot download apps
May 21 01:21:25 <kmeyer> how do I do bluetooth stuff from a shell? (blind pairing, ...)
May 21 01:21:37 <PuffTheMagic> haha
May 21 01:22:03 <PuffTheMagic> are u familar with bluez?
May 21 01:24:03 <kmeyer> nope
May 21 01:24:17 <PuffTheMagic> then use the gui
May 21 01:24:27 <kmeyer> heh
May 21 01:24:38 <mickdouglas> umm... is anyone else's palm profile borked?
May 21 01:24:49 <mickdouglas> most of my apps are gone and I can't get into the app catalog
May 21 01:24:50 <kmeyer> is there a gui that's more powerful than the one that ships with the pre?
May 21 01:26:12 <PuffTheMagic> kmeyer: no
May 21 01:26:29 <PuffTheMagic> what are u trying to do that you cant?
May 21 01:27:11 <kmeyer> pair blindly with a specific device and talk over the serial-like connection
May 21 01:27:34 <kmeyer> all I know is we're doing it on an android device with hciconfig
May 21 01:27:45 <kmeyer> but I didn't see that anywhere on the pre
May 21 01:27:55 <PuffTheMagic> hciconfig is part of bluez
May 21 01:28:02 <PuffTheMagic> which the pre does not use at all
May 21 01:28:06 <kmeyer> Ah.
May 21 01:28:11 <kmeyer> What does the pre use?
May 21 01:28:18 <PuffTheMagic> its own bt stack
May 21 01:28:22 <kmeyer> Oh.
May 21 01:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> the state of bt on the pre is piss poor
May 21 01:29:18 <PuffTheMagic> Palm should be ashamed
May 21 01:29:22 <kmeyer> heh
May 21 01:29:28 <kmeyer> that's a shame :(
May 21 01:29:46 <kmeyer> it seems they did a lot of things right though -- I'm surprised they decided to reinvent the wheel with bt
May 21 01:30:18 <PuffTheMagic> a commercial company going opensource isnt going to get it all right first go around
May 21 01:30:39 <PuffTheMagic> geist: bt docs would be cool so we could impelent the driver within the bt stack
May 21 01:30:55 <PuffTheMagic> s/bt stack/bluez stack/
May 21 01:30:56 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: geist: bt docs would be cool so we could impelent the driver within the bluez stack
May 21 01:33:36 <kmeyer> thanks :)
May 21 01:33:42 <kmeyer> sorry I'm so clueless
May 21 02:01:52 <rwhitby> FYI, bsiegel is going to be coming up to speed on the autobuilder, so he can help with managing our patches.
May 21 02:02:15 <bsiegel> happy to help in any way I can
May 21 02:04:32 <Spyral> anyone know of a way to force videos to repeat in the Pre's Videoplayer?
May 21 02:10:04 <PrimerFender> recursion ;-)
May 21 02:16:38 <Spyral> ?
May 21 02:17:22 <PrimerFender> it was a bad joke
May 21 02:19:03 <Spyral> I obviously didn't get it. sorry :(
May 21 02:24:28 <ka6sox-work> recursive - drawing upon itself, referring back; of an expression, each term of which is determined by applying a formula to preceding terms; of a program or function that calls itself;
May 21 02:24:49 <ka6sox-work> The last one in this case
May 21 02:31:20 <Spyral> I suppose I understand the definition, but it doesn't help my-.. nevermind. logic is a fleeting concept here
May 21 02:44:31 <ka6sox-work> Spyral...basically the player has to loop back to the beginning (or start itself again)
May 21 02:47:08 <Spyral> ok
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