**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 22 02:59:57 2010 May 22 03:18:25 hmm May 22 03:18:48 git does not like git checkout -tb webos-1.4.2 origin/webos-1.4.2 May 22 03:41:33 * rwhitby bbl May 22 03:41:47 so, I decided to see if I could learn a bit about the "other" way to program apps, but Palm's PDK doesn't run on Linux...if I get the WIDK, is it close enough to the "same thing" that I can still learn the basics with it? May 22 03:47:10 jhojho: try just -b, if you want -t (not sure what it does) put it first as a separate flag May 22 03:47:27 t is for trach May 22 03:47:29 track May 22 03:47:42 I see now May 22 03:47:47 I ended up doing git branch --track instead May 22 03:48:06 but it seems I need to do some additional setup work since I'm pulling from one repo and pushing to 2 May 22 03:48:18 git config branch..remote origin May 22 03:48:30 git config branch..merge refs/heads/ May 22 03:48:34 you still need -b May 22 03:48:48 If no -b option is given, the name of the new branch will be derived from the remote branch. May 22 03:48:53 hmm maybe not May 22 03:48:54 hi everyone! May 22 03:48:56 git branch --track origin/ May 22 03:49:07 does it strip origin/ I can't tell May 22 03:49:14 it'll do the right thing May 22 03:49:32 that lets me create a local branch tracking say webos-1.4.2 May 22 03:49:49 I do not usually have all the branches tracked (being that the repo is on the pre) May 22 03:50:10 so as new versions come up, I'll create new branches to track and delete old (local) branches May 22 03:51:28 problem with git I find is I need to take notes on this stuff, cant keep it straight in my head May 22 04:01:32 ma,es May 22 04:01:35 ugh. May 22 04:25:44 who was i talking to in here May 22 04:25:48 who added me on facebook? May 22 05:10:42 I'm installing the WIDK and it just asked me for a filename to patch.... May 22 05:11:23 clarify May 22 05:11:30 sugardave: webos.pastebin.com May 22 05:12:20 it's pretty long....do you just want the last command? May 22 05:13:33 http://webos.pastebin.com/vmX9XLUh May 22 05:14:13 I'm doing the last step which is 'make stage' May 22 05:15:18 are you in the library director, or in the lib-sdl directory? May 22 05:15:37 /srv/preware/cross-compile May 22 05:15:54 go into the packages directory, find lib-sdl May 22 05:16:03 and run make-stage there May 22 05:16:31 i had this problem, assuming it is the same as mine, you will need to make the packages individually May 22 05:16:47 hmm, no lib-sdl directory May 22 05:16:52 I have dev-sdl May 22 05:17:00 yeah try that May 22 05:17:08 i will boot up my machine and double-check May 22 05:17:18 oh it's there May 22 05:17:19 I see May 22 05:17:39 crap, so I need to go in to all these dirs and make stage in them? May 22 05:17:56 just do the regular one for now May 22 05:17:56 and then I'm not sure what else to do May 22 05:18:11 are you trying to do the doom instructions also? May 22 05:18:27 well, that would be next, but I was just trying to finish the widk install May 22 05:18:33 yeah May 22 05:18:37 and I followed the wiki... May 22 05:18:40 and here I am :D May 22 05:18:42 what happened is they got so many packages May 22 05:18:48 and the lower folders got reorganized May 22 05:19:06 the make-stage step refers to a file that no longer searches deep enough into the lower directories May 22 05:19:09 okay, so I can make stage in that dir, then what do I do...re-make stage at the cross-compile dir? May 22 05:19:23 no May 22 05:19:33 just make-stage on the packages that you need/intend to use May 22 05:19:53 see, this is where I say "I don't know anything about this shit" May 22 05:20:10 doom make will complain if it cannot find what it is looking for, it will tell you what it cannot find, and then you can go find it May 22 05:20:17 and make it May 22 05:20:18 lol May 22 05:20:25 sugardave: to cross-compile something, you also need all the libraries that it uses to be cross-compiled and staged in an area where they can be linked against May 22 05:20:33 okay, so try to make target libsdl, then use doom as a test to see what else I need to make May 22 05:20:42 yeah May 22 05:20:47 that's what I did, and it worked May 22 05:20:56 sugardave: from the pastebin, it looks like the libsdl patch is corrupted May 22 05:21:15 that would also be a problem heh May 22 05:21:43 either that or the source directory patch is trying to apply it to is not as expected May 22 05:21:44 okay...so I can try to download it by hand, then? May 22 05:22:58 unless rwhitby disagrees, i would try running make stage in /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/dev-sdl/libsdl and see if reports error May 22 05:23:35 it just prompts with the same thing May 22 05:24:00 ok, then as rwhitby suggested it is probably corrupt May 22 05:24:03 sugardave: make clobber in that directory and try again May 22 05:24:23 same May 22 05:24:42 rm downloads/libsdl-* and try again May 22 05:25:22 try the top-level make stage? May 22 05:25:28 in cross-compile dir? May 22 05:26:19 if you rm downloads/libsdl-* it will re-download wen you try to make stage (correct?) May 22 05:26:43 yeah, I ran make stage in libsdl after removing the package and got the same thing (I saw it re-download) May 22 05:28:00 removed them again, rane mak clobber in cross-compile, trying a new make stage from there May 22 05:28:05 * sugardave crosses his fingers. May 22 05:30:24 sugardave: ok, I'm able to reproduce your problem May 22 05:30:42 yay? May 22 05:31:43 sugardave: git pull and try again May 22 05:32:08 seems Palm changed the pathnames level in the patch May 22 05:32:14 that means just run 'git pull' in the cross-compile dir? May 22 05:32:21 yep May 22 05:32:29 okay, will try it out May 22 05:33:27 rwhitby: thanks, will probably be some minutes before I will know if it works (or think it works, as it were) May 22 05:37:34 i am trying it on mine too and so far looking good (i had to rm Makefile in cross-compile, said something about me making changes which is possible). Does this mean make stage from cross-compile should work now? If so, I will remove my comment on wiki May 22 05:38:26 for me, it seems to have gone passed the original point of failure May 22 05:39:17 PrimerFender: yes, it should work now May 22 05:39:21 yeah, mine is actually doing stuff now (before it would fail out immediately) May 22 05:39:25 coolio! May 22 05:40:24 it will fail on libmatchbox May 22 05:40:37 i use lighteres now anyway May 22 05:42:07 so, I have some n00b questions while all this is going on May 22 05:42:45 can I test the apps I write in the emulator or only on the device? May 22 05:43:33 i haven't tried it myself, but I don't see why it wouldn't work May 22 05:44:13 * sugardave will definitely be trying it. May 22 05:44:35 sugardave: mainly on the device, but we're working on emulator support for the widk too - we need to work out how to extract the emulator rootfs so we can stage the libraries from it May 22 05:45:46 * PrimerFender wonders if his purpose is only to provide silly answers so rwhitby can correct me May 22 05:45:53 haha May 22 05:45:59 I do that alot in #webos May 22 05:46:53 I think I need to write an upgrade test plan for preware - too many combinations to keep in my head May 22 05:47:01 rwhitby: so, by mainly, I take it it should be possible to run certain types of apps (like really simple hello world stuff) in the emulator? or should I not mess with it at all May 22 05:47:38 sugardave: all of our normal apps that we build in preware/build.git (including ones that are cross-compiled in there) work fine May 22 05:47:58 okay, awesome May 22 05:48:00 sugardave: for the widk, we haven't completed the i686 target, so things don't build for it yet due to the missing luna libraries May 22 05:48:32 but if you can work out a way to extract the rootfs from the SDK in Linux, it should all work for i686 May 22 05:48:48 yeah, that's "slightly" beyond my ability May 22 05:48:57 one thing i found that the apps i compiled would end up in different areas, the doom app compiled in the directory it was sourced from, apache wanted to be in the ../staging/usr/local/apache2. i don't know what determines these differences, i am guessing the make file of the app itself and not sure if i should bother messing with it so long as i know i may have to go hunting for it May 22 05:49:05 in astronomical measurements May 22 05:49:26 units May 22 05:49:37 ok, preware 1.0.8 can remove itself again May 22 05:49:40 astronomical units is a unit of measure, au May 22 05:49:46 ;-) May 22 05:51:05 When Preware 1.0.0 tries to remove itself, it leaves a bit of a mess. May 22 05:52:10 ok, i'm still on 1.0.0. i'm assuming you haven't pushed out 1.0.8 May 22 05:52:50 nope May 22 05:52:59 anything > 1.0.0 is still in alpha testing May 22 05:53:11 but 1.0.8 is starting to look close May 22 05:54:04 howcome you don't stick to just 1.0.1 until it's right? May 22 05:54:09 hmm - or maybe not. still didn't restart the service correctly. May 22 05:54:09 just curious May 22 05:54:24 cause I'm testing OTA upgrade scenarios May 22 05:54:39 and cause other people are testing too, and they need a number to report problems against May 22 05:55:53 gotcha May 22 05:56:58 hmm - 1.0.8 will work fine after a restart, but that's not very friendly May 22 05:57:44 oh damn, another error May 22 05:58:23 I'll save it for tomorrow May 22 05:58:42 rod run the same tests as before or try something different May 22 05:59:09 everything I install works fine May 22 05:59:20 TheSavaLord: anything after 1.0.4 is all about upgrading robustly from 1.0.0 May 22 06:00:45 so that means turn off test feed to install 1.0.0 then to instal the .7 May 22 06:01:19 well for me to do that I need a pc May 22 06:02:05 can't be part if the test :( May 22 06:03:35 rwhitby you here? May 22 06:03:45 got an off-topic question for ya. May 22 06:05:37 TheSavaLord: I wouldn't bother testing it yet, until I get the upgrade path robust. it's fine to use though. May 22 06:08:35 rwhitby: Does the Linksys NAS200 require you use a serial connection to put on openwrt? May 22 06:09:01 dBsooner: dunno May 22 06:09:33 TheSavaLord: I guess I mean please continue alpha testing 1.0.7 :) May 22 06:09:34 but the nslu2 wiki says its based on your work. May 22 06:09:34 ;) May 22 06:09:56 Based on work by Jac Goudsmit, fcarolo, Diveboy, dyoung, rwhitby, Mrreload, mrkzander, ByronT, technophreak, and Phil Endecott. May 22 06:10:13 dBsooner: I've never owned a NAS200 May 22 06:10:42 Boo May 22 06:10:51 Got any diskless nas's you want to sell me? May 22 06:11:05 Got this NAS200 but really wanted one that would allow for iTunes server. May 22 06:11:27 got two 1.5TB drives for RAID1 May 22 06:18:39 readynas May 22 06:18:42 Jac, that name rings a bell May 22 06:18:50 i think he was at Be with me years ago May 22 06:19:24 gah - typo in postinst. that explains why it's not killing the process. May 22 06:19:34 aww May 22 06:19:48 ok if I come across any bugs/errors I will let you know May 22 06:19:59 geist you were a Be guy? I liked BeOS May 22 06:20:02 TheSavaLord: 1.0.9 coming up soon May 22 06:20:12 but then again I liked nextstep too. May 22 06:20:39 I owned BeOs May 22 06:21:05 yeah. i worked at Be before danger May 22 06:21:16 until palm killed it May 22 06:21:28 peripherally active in the haiku os project, since they based their design on one of my open source kernels May 22 06:21:42 but that was when 3com owned palm May 22 06:22:19 how is haiku coming along May 22 06:22:27 seems to actually kind of work May 22 06:22:41 ran it on a 16 way box the other day. ran pretty well May 22 06:22:44 cool May 22 06:22:57 http://tkgeisel.com/pics/screenshot1.png May 22 06:23:58 someone needs to make a BeOS theme for the Pre May 22 06:24:14 sounds like you just volunteered May 22 06:24:47 I don't have a pc May 22 06:25:01 oil: so next thing for Preware is pipelining the downloading and loading of feeds May 22 06:26:32 TheSavaLord: 1.0.9 ready for alpha testing May 22 06:26:33 if I had a pc I would try doing themes May 22 06:27:31 ok May 22 06:29:10 doo you have it automatically close when installed May 22 06:30:03 robustified love that word lol May 22 06:35:42 oh crap....this kvm stuff broke my regular virtualbox installation May 22 06:35:43 now to test 1.0.8 to 1.0.9 upgrade May 22 06:36:32 good, it restarts the service and closes the app. May 22 06:37:21 yeah I think I went from .7 to .9 May 22 06:37:44 did that close preware on upgrade? May 22 06:37:55 yeah May 22 06:38:39 that's the installNoVerify stuff doing the right thing. May 22 06:38:50 now to test upgrade with the avoid webos bugs turned off May 22 06:39:04 104 to 109 closed preware May 22 06:39:56 yeah, anything from 1.0.2 upwards should close it if you have avoid webos bugs set to yes May 22 06:40:10 but 1.0.0 to 1.0.9 will probably not May 22 06:41:09 oil: I remembered to update the apiVersion in 1.0.7 too :) May 22 06:41:23 so you are changing it to .10 just to see how it installs with bug off May 22 06:41:35 rwhitby: does it really even matter? May 22 06:41:40 anymore anyways May 22 06:41:43 since its all in one package May 22 06:42:03 the service pacakged with the app should always be the correct version, no? May 22 06:43:50 oil: it should be, but if the mojo is updated and the old version of the service is still running for some reason (like was the reason that I pulled 1.0.4 this morning), then it will detect it, and tell the user to reboot (which will repair the service problem) May 22 06:44:02 oil: palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'pkg' of undefined, file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.preware/app/models/packages.js:441 May 22 06:44:08 oil: any idea what that is? May 22 06:45:15 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/models/packages.js;h=78f28564f25545b5dd7fc6fe0a49e83f36401e38;hb=HEAD#l441 May 22 06:45:38 ok, as expected with avoid webos bugs set to off, preware doesn't close itself on upgrade, but gets forcibly closed by webOS on the next rescan. May 22 06:47:29 looks like whatever unknown package it wants to scan doesn't have a package id? May 22 06:48:46 oil: this happens in the middle of preware upgrading itself May 22 06:49:05 that makes no sense May 22 06:49:28 unless its from after it restarts May 22 06:49:36 and its loading info for unknown packages May 22 06:49:42 that code is never ran anywhere else May 22 06:50:30 no, it's not doing anything at that point - it'd be in the middle of ipkg replacing the files for the preware mojo that's running May 22 06:50:54 which is why i said it makes no sense :) May 22 06:51:02 I'm looking for 3 reports of success from people running Preware 1.0.0, then upgrading to 1.0.9 from the testing feed, then installing a pkg ... May 22 06:53:07 I won't be able to do that May 22 07:06:40 are there any rumors about the verizon nfl app May 22 07:32:36 ok, I'm going to release this as Preware 1.1.0 May 22 07:37:20 watching 'drag me to hell' May 22 07:40:16 hiya chris May 22 07:42:46 heya May 22 07:43:53 any new from the VZ front. I doubt it but doesn't hurt to ask lol. May 22 07:44:46 news May 22 07:45:06 news? May 22 07:46:18 well I just read that palm is blocking the nfl app from being released on the pre. which I doubt is the case May 22 07:53:41 but I am sure everything is VZs fault May 22 07:54:27 ok, gonna need a Luna Restart after Preware changes, at least for the 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 upgrade May 22 07:55:53 portal is surprisingly fun to play.. May 22 08:01:46 * oil wants to play portal 2 May 22 08:14:49 1.1.0 is installed now May 22 08:16:07 if no bad reports happen overnight I'll push that tomorrow May 22 08:17:31 * rwhitby bbl May 22 08:53:44 rwhitby: 1.1.0? May 22 08:54:00 yep May 22 08:55:51 What's new compaired to 1.0.4? May 22 08:57:46 robustification, and a service API version bump May 22 08:59:26 * Mercury nods. May 22 08:59:43 So it's a webos rescan which was killing the background phone app and friends? May 22 09:04:35 yep May 22 09:04:51 numbers are cheap someone once told me. May 22 09:05:17 bitrot in an undocumented, unsupported, probably-no-longer-officially-used service method May 22 09:07:17 Fun. May 22 13:20:24 hello May 22 13:23:20 having a problem with somrthing...when I try to install lsdiff, it gives me a failure during install message May 22 13:23:41 any idea how to fix this? May 22 13:49:50 hello May 22 14:55:12 anyone know about getting a Palm WebOS update for 1.4.1.1, while running 1.4.1.1 and Uber-Kernel 1.4.1.1? May 22 15:11:54 how would one disable the UpdateDaemon to prevent it checking for OS updates? May 22 15:46:05 erm, where would the SDK installer dump the virtualbox image? I'm running a different version of vbox than the one from palm.com May 22 15:57:45 It dumps them into (user dir)\.VirtualBox\HardDisks May 22 15:58:55 yeah, it's not there; turns out palm-emulator puts them there, except it won't run because it doesn't like my copy of vbox May 22 15:59:10 so i'm currently running through the class files with a hex editor May 22 15:59:29 ahh May 22 15:59:48 might be easier to downgrade vbox, install the sdk, then upgrade vbox May 22 16:00:02 3.1.8 should work, haven't tried yet with 3.2.0 May 22 16:17:35 yay I can build patch packages now May 22 16:17:43 f'in make... May 22 16:27:38 hey guys, i'm on macosx and i've connected my webos phone via usb and installed the developer sdk, but i still have no usb0 device, any suggestions? May 22 16:28:37 channel moderated? May 22 16:28:54 nope..just no answere yet May 22 16:29:26 this is best asked in #webos as thats their SDK. May 22 16:29:46 ka6sox - thanks May 22 16:29:54 np. May 22 17:30:27 how do i add a second url to a feed? i want both testing/armv7 and testing/all, two feeds entries does not seem to work, space delimiter? enter? May 22 17:31:04 dreadchicken, in preware? May 22 17:31:09 hey does anyone know how to check which tower you're roaming on? May 22 17:31:19 ka6sox, yes. May 22 17:31:30 separate entries of feeds. May 22 17:31:36 tried two feeds named the same thinking that might add it, but no dice. May 22 17:31:55 i was trying to mimic some of the other feeds where there are multiple urls for one feed. May 22 17:33:06 I've always had to do separate feeds. May 22 17:33:59 probably vi to have multiple urls for the same feed, just a guess. May 22 17:36:18 blah, at the uncles house and sprint roams here, neighbors wifi isn't holding a good connection. It's true that data roaming is free on the everything data plans right? May 22 17:37:34 hi May 22 17:37:51 phil_bw: http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/122338 May 22 17:37:53 google says yes May 22 17:38:11 Which surprises me, I figured data roaming charges would equate to being rape o'clock May 22 17:38:19 that's what I found too, just wanted a "second opinion" May 22 17:38:27 hey yall. who here has the uber kernel and govnah installed ? May 22 17:39:00 though a few people reported a 25ยข charge and thought that may be since they were close to canada May 22 17:39:05 i got killed on international roaming charges when i went to canada :( May 22 17:39:27 which I am at the moment so I'm wondering if there's a way to check whos tower I'm on May 22 17:39:46 i noticed in the upper left corner it said International May 22 17:40:14 doesn't say international for me May 22 17:40:24 should be OK May 22 17:40:46 I thought there was a code that could be entered to find out the tower... not sure what to google in this case May 22 17:40:56 ##EVDO# ? May 22 17:41:11 evdo just lets u change which radio to use May 22 17:41:24 ##DEBUG# ? May 22 17:41:36 evdo didn't do it May 22 17:41:40 ##what's up# May 22 17:41:46 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Hash_Codes May 22 17:42:30 oh that's a handy list May 22 17:43:08 * phil_bw feels like he's back on his T650 with these 1X roaming speeds May 22 17:44:45 I can't find one that'll give that info, oh well I think I'm roaming on vzw. May 22 17:45:34 hey who here uses Govnah ? May 22 17:45:41 i realize that sbromwich's kernels are testing/expermential, but is the current -26 fully functional, as in feature wise, if not stability wise? May 22 17:45:46 mehigh, everyone. May 22 17:48:55 what's the diff between the min/max freq and setspeed ? May 22 17:49:00 what does each represent? May 22 17:49:11 i have it at 600/800 for min/max and at 720 for setspeed. May 22 17:49:19 well, everyone except for the 10% of people currently doctoring their pre from "trying something out" and the 10% that have written their own init scripts. May 22 17:49:58 dreadchicken: those kernels are what I run on my own personal phone May 22 17:52:03 thanks sbromwich, wanted to join in on the testing, but wanted to make sure they were not for testing some corner case and therefore not fully functional. May 22 17:52:18 well... they work for me :-) May 22 17:53:05 understood, not worried about that! :-), just making sure they actually have things like radio support. May 22 17:53:31 yeah, all that should work, just don't use ondemand or you might have problems May 22 17:53:56 conservative ok? May 22 17:54:10 thats what I use May 22 17:54:52 same, that is my standard now. May 22 17:56:06 soo... May 22 17:56:21 can anyone please answer my question? May 22 17:56:37 which governor are you usin? (I missed that) May 22 17:57:29 mehigh, ^^^ May 22 17:57:34 hold on May 22 17:57:46 userspace May 22 17:58:36 mehigh, I never use that one so I don't know. May 22 17:59:09 do u know what the min/max freq and setspeed each mean? May 22 17:59:34 no, I don't know what they mean in that context. May 22 17:59:49 I can assume what min/max mean but not what the setspeed is. May 22 18:02:42 i just set it to 250/800 and 720 May 22 18:03:31 I'd just see how it performs...I use the conservative or screenstate ones. May 22 18:12:31 I use screenstate when I'm just developing (ssh into the pre) and conservative when I'm using the phone heavily May 22 18:18:23 rwhitby: ? May 22 18:23:50 bbl May 22 18:25:33 morning jac May 22 18:25:36 ues May 22 18:25:42 morning jacques May 22 18:26:34 howdy ka6sox May 22 18:28:55 been reading up on SB2 and qemu. I'm hoping to do the install on the test machine today. May 22 18:35:09 ka6sox: cool May 22 18:35:45 I should be around for most of today May 22 18:40:01 jacques, great...I will definatly call you if I run iton trouble. May 22 18:42:43 whoo! http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.2/index.html May 22 18:43:02 (probably not much difference from 1.4.11 but it's still nice to see) May 22 18:43:23 yeah was put up a couple days ago May 22 18:44:25 d'oh I thought I checked yesterday and the day before May 22 18:45:06 I guess a couple of days passed without me noticing - things are crazy at work May 22 18:45:30 :) May 22 18:45:47 bpadalino: do you know of any interesting changes in the 1.4.2 packages? May 22 18:45:56 jacques: none :( May 22 18:46:03 ah well :-\ May 22 18:46:05 but i haven't been through any of them May 22 18:46:12 i know the kernel patches are the same for 1.4.2 and 1.4.1.1 May 22 18:47:45 only the name changed :P May 22 18:47:57 but that had to happen. May 22 18:48:14 I'm not seeing any packages version changes May 22 19:00:12 jacques, is there any reason not to follow the widk doco for installing the SB2 stuff? May 22 19:01:21 ka6sox: last time I did it, it was correct May 22 19:01:50 so, no reason I know of not to follow it May 22 19:09:31 make toolchain May 22 19:10:27 so far so good. May 22 19:12:43 make stage will fail on libmatchbox May 22 19:47:28 http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/ta7H9ec1 May 22 19:48:00 failure on freetype May 22 20:00:59 where can find info on Upstart? May 22 20:14:35 jacques, ideas? May 22 20:15:27 guys, is there a preware package for the Mac out there yet? May 22 20:15:40 I think there is an error in palm's configure.ac patch May 22 20:16:38 Ka6sox-mobile: soory I just re-connected - ideas on freetype? May 22 20:16:57 Ka6sox-mobile: let me setup my laptop and try it - I can look faster that way May 22 20:17:16 ya. The error occurs in ./configure May 22 20:17:49 there should be a config.log in the freetype src dir - that will have more details May 22 20:17:50 also, is there a simple way to backup the entire pre profile to a hard drive and restore to factory default settings for new OS updates? May 22 20:18:40 ok I'll look there in a few minutes May 22 20:28:52 heh, things have moved around a bit since I last built cross-compile May 22 20:29:49 Can anyone answer two questions for me? Please? May 22 20:38:52 OK, my build just downloaded glib 2.16 source, but I can't find where it cached it - it's not in downloads May 22 20:39:25 and why are Makefiles executable now? May 22 20:41:10 please tell me the glib source isn't being deleted after unpack May 22 20:41:51 why are patches executable now? May 22 20:47:33 jacques: some things are downloaded and extracted in one go May 22 20:50:23 dtzWill: that's not good for ppl with slow internet connections May 22 20:50:54 jacques: I didn't do it; but I noticed it doing that lately. maybe the other way wasn't good for people with limited disk? :/ May 22 20:51:58 it one has limited disk, the compressed source tarballs are the lest of their worries with cross-compile.git May 22 20:52:24 jacques: heh, yeah, i wasn't really serious. no idea, i'm sure git log has the answer and who to ask about that :) May 22 20:52:53 hmm build failed May 22 20:53:07 jacques: where? I'm working on cleaning things up presently May 22 20:53:43 died on precorder - looks like some git problem - this is a clean setup on my end so I assume it's on the remote end May 22 20:53:57 just confirmed every package in x/* builds cleanly here.. if anyone has a different experience please let me know so i can fix :) May 22 20:54:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/DFNT6zwp May 22 20:54:41 jacques: nope looks more like a DEPENDS problem May 22 20:54:51 well, maybe the "You are in 'detached HEAD' state." isn't fatal, but something is May 22 20:55:02 yeah I was just realizing that May 22 20:55:41 should gst* be moved to /media? May 22 20:55:54 * dtzWill doesn't like 'working' packages depending on 'nonworking' May 22 20:56:06 probably May 22 20:56:20 this executable Makefiles and patches thing is really annoying me May 22 20:56:22 bah and zsoc's migration made finding who committed those more of a pain May 22 20:56:32 jacques: what's this about executable makefiles? May 22 20:56:42 o_O so they are May 22 20:57:03 I haven't verified every single one, but lots are May 22 20:57:13 * dtzWill fixes May 22 20:57:50 hmm, I an building freetype now - unfortunately it looks like I'm not seeing ka6sox's issue May 22 20:58:36 okay unless I do a make clobber it should attempt to pick up where it left off... May 22 20:58:44 let me look inthat source dir first. May 22 21:00:03 ka6sox: do you see problem with freetype or fontconfig ? May 22 21:01:34 jacques: git pull and your makefiles won't be exec'able lol May 22 21:01:56 dtzWill: you rock :-) May 22 21:02:05 hmm fontconfig built too May 22 21:02:07 ( cd build/src ; sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH ./configure ) May 22 21:02:08 make[5]: Entering directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/common/freetype/build/src' May 22 21:02:24 then the next thing it does is autoconf May 22 21:03:09 okay I'll make clobber and try again. May 22 21:04:02 only thing in that dir is Changelog. May 22 21:04:43 ka6sox: only thing in /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/common/freetype/build/src is Changelog? that sounds wrong May 22 21:04:58 the only LOG in there is the changelogs :D May 22 21:05:19 nothing 1 layer up or down. May 22 21:05:42 damn, where is the config.log ?? May 22 21:05:47 I don't have one eithe May 22 21:06:18 I need to look @ the palm patch for that as its gcc environment seems wrong May 22 21:06:50 checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. May 22 21:06:50 If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. May 22 21:06:57 without config.log it's much harder to debug configure issues May 22 21:07:06 uh huh. May 22 21:07:11 ka6sox: sometimes that's not a fatal error May 22 21:07:34 it's really the C cpmpiler not being able to generate executables May 22 21:07:52 ka6sox: how many things built before the freetype problem? May 22 21:08:03 quite a few. May 22 21:08:05 ka6sox: did glib build? May 22 21:08:21 OK so sb2 / qemu-arm / toolchain should be working May 22 21:08:21 hmmm..didn't see that May 22 21:08:34 ya, I believe the toolchain is working May 22 21:08:39 this seems to be a config error. May 22 21:08:45 ka6sox, jacques: there's no config.log b/c that's not an autoconf, it's something they made up May 22 21:09:08 dtzWill, who made up? May 22 21:09:12 ka6sox: perhaps change the cd build/src; ./configure bit in the makefile May 22 21:09:13 dtzWill: oh :-\ so nice of them to call the script configure May 22 21:09:24 ka6sox: what do you see in cross-compile/packages/common/glib-2.0/build ? May 22 21:09:40 ka6sox: to call the builds/unix/configure directly? May 22 21:09:46 and have us set our path/ldflags properly? May 22 21:09:52 ka6sox: what I don't get is, it built for me :-\ May 22 21:09:58 jacques: same here May 22 21:10:07 right...either I downloaded a bad patch or something. May 22 21:10:24 it goes out to palm to get a patch to configure.ac May 22 21:10:36 and then it starts what looks like autoconf. May 22 21:10:46 the config.log we want is in builds/unix/config.log May 22 21:10:59 ka6sox: can you look at that/post it? May 22 21:11:11 yes, please do May 22 21:11:41 massive patch failure in libsdl May 22 21:12:19 so that may be the culprit? May 22 21:12:45 jacques: err patch applied cleanly here? o_O o_O May 22 21:12:55 http://webos.pastebin.com/JhuekScv May 22 21:13:24 ka6sox: my sdl issue is different from your freetype issue May 22 21:13:43 oh wait i was building wrong thing :D. one sec haha May 22 21:14:03 nopers applies cleanly. May 22 21:14:11 jacques: nuke downloads/libsdl* and try again? May 22 21:14:19 jacques: perhaps you have an outdated patch? May 22 21:14:37 dtzWill: we think alike May 22 21:14:56 dtzWill: so nice of them all to have same names - maybe we need to start hashing them :-\ May 22 21:15:27 http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/XXbBEbe2 May 22 21:15:40 looks like I really need to delete my cache dir - this will take hours to re-download May 22 21:15:50 hours I say. May 22 21:16:03 jacques: :(. i'm sorry for your internet situation May 22 21:16:10 but the alternative is lots of hard to track down issues May 22 21:16:19 jacques: agreed :/ May 22 21:16:25 ka6sox: that... doesn't look good May 22 21:16:38 how the devil does 'gcc -V' fail?! May 22 21:16:47 this, especially: # May 22 21:16:48 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped May 22 21:17:12 oh wow I missed that. and.... oh dear :/ May 22 21:17:17 ALSO, i just said 'oh dear' hahaha May 22 21:17:23 --with-build-time-tools=/scratch/paul/lite/linux/install/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin May 22 21:17:31 um...that is made of FAIL. May 22 21:18:11 it looks like it's trying to call gcc-- as an executable .. May 22 21:18:13 and that's the problem May 22 21:18:37 that dir structure doesn't exist May 22 21:18:53 are you sure that's not just how gcc was compiled and those configuration flags ? May 22 21:18:59 i mean, you can't really help that part, right ? May 22 21:19:09 ah, this line? May 22 21:19:11 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: couldn't run '/srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc--specs=/usr/share/scratchbox2/../../share/scratchbox2/modeconf/gcc-specs.simple': No such file or directory May 22 21:19:37 I've seen this missing psace thing before, but don't recall how it was solved May 22 21:19:48 also looks like there is a qemu seg fault, tho May 22 21:20:14 which may just be bad error handling on qemu's part after the previous error May 22 21:20:29 possibly May 22 21:20:41 okay I'm really confused. which error are we troubleshooting...jacques or mine? May 22 21:21:39 oh I see..line 80 May 22 21:22:12 ka6sox: fwiw on my system 'gcc -V' fails as well May 22 21:23:06 dtzWill, I'm trying to get the new autobuilder setup and we keep getting these qemu segfaults. May 22 21:25:23 jacques, so if this continues to happen does this mean its really a Xen or HVM issue? May 22 21:26:33 ka6sox: the previous issue would not even let sb2 setup, this is probably different May 22 21:26:50 okay thats good to hear May 22 21:27:14 jacques can you diff that config.log with the one you just did? May 22 21:27:35 sdl seems to be working better for me after removing the cached files May 22 21:27:45 jacques: you built freetype, right? May 22 21:27:55 ka6sox: yeah give me a few minutes May 22 21:28:00 dtzWill: yeo May 22 21:28:01 yep May 22 21:28:04 jacques: if so, can you look at /your/ config.log? the gcc -V thing fails for me too.. but then it keeps going May 22 21:28:04 thanks May 22 21:28:16 jacques: oh ka6sox already has you doing something similar :) May 22 21:28:55 I'm just trying to see if that sb2 blah: has different arguments. May 22 21:30:08 because I don't see anything /scratch on the builder. May 22 21:31:14 any problems with preware 1.1.0 overnight? May 22 21:33:08 jacques, it did build glib May 22 21:35:19 hmmm...I guess they don't save the patches May 22 21:37:10 objections to adding 'PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig' to the default SB2 invocation command? May 22 21:37:39 (fairly certain that's completely fine but feel like I should bounce it off people before changing it) May 22 21:40:34 dtzWill: I can't think of any objections May 22 21:44:04 my freetype config.log looks almost identical up to the: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped May 22 21:49:31 nothing is working for me today May 22 21:50:27 git pull May 22 21:50:33 not found May 22 21:53:11 why the HELL are include/SDL_opengles.h and include/SDL_opengles_ext.h missing from the "new" libsdl patch? May 22 21:53:22 my GLUES stuff uses those May 22 21:53:53 they are referred to by the install part of the patch, but not IN the patch May 22 21:56:43 last time they were included is 1.4.0, everything after is missing those files May 22 21:57:20 Preware 1.1.0 is released to the public feed. May 22 21:58:27 I guess I don't want make clobber but rather make-clean? or am I too early in the process? May 22 22:00:52 ka6sox: make clobber where ? May 22 22:02:41 nm...I'm further along than that in the staging. May 22 22:03:37 staging-armv7 May 22 22:04:46 it looks like more changed in palm's SDL patches. no longer have SDL_GL_CONTEXT_MAJOR_VERSION SDL_GL_CONTEXT_MINOR_VERSION nor SDL_OPENGLES May 22 22:05:04 jacques: o_O May 22 22:05:34 going to give up for a while and watch Mad Men May 22 22:05:46 Good Plan(tm) May 22 22:09:01 * PrimerFender is about to update preware May 22 22:10:05 * PrimerFender updated preware May 22 22:11:01 rwhitby: It did not (ask me to) restart. Pressing launch just took me to home screen. Closing Preware and re-launching gave me 1.1.0 May 22 22:11:28 PrimerFender: you came from 1.0.0 ? May 22 22:22:15 * rwhitby bbl May 22 22:50:34 so something that bugs me in the curent build is the way we handle dependencies May 22 22:50:56 ends up going through the entire dep tree every single time, and it's a PITA May 22 22:51:09 probably doesn't add too much overhead in the overall process, but still May 22 22:51:16 rwhitby: yes May 22 22:51:51 could we hcange the rule that goes 'for all deps, make stage -C dep' or w/e, to instead explitly check the stage rule? or at least have the stage rule mark a file indicating it's staged? May 22 22:52:18 "instead explicitly check the stage rule"->instead check if it needs to be run, like the built/etc are? :/ May 22 22:52:40 or is that worse, further introducing states where the widk thinks something is staged but somehow it got removed...? :/ May 22 22:58:16 i think the way it is makes it more, resiliant? May 22 22:58:27 as each packages checkes for all of it's own dependencies? May 22 23:02:34 anyone attempted to hack the touchstone for use on other devices? May 22 23:02:45 like ripping out the stuff on the back cover? May 22 23:13:20 'lo May 22 23:29:25 PrimerFender: yes, but if that package is already installed May 22 23:29:45 PrimerFender: then we don't need to check it's deps, why do we care what it depend(ed) on, it's already built! :) May 22 23:47:27 true May 22 23:48:08 VincentLaw: i have used the touchstone as a paperclip holder while making copies... May 22 23:50:51 >.> May 22 23:51:11 I was actually wondering if I could hack in the touchstone for the EVO :> May 22 23:51:23 would require a bunch of internal wiring May 22 23:51:23 but May 22 23:53:31 the hardest part will be figuring out where you can wire up the 5v power internally .. and if the EVO can take 1A source May 23 00:03:01 to be honest, bpadalino I'd probably try to run it to the USB pins to make it easy on myself May 23 00:03:19 and I would be /shocked/ if it couldn't take a 1A source considering what it is :P May 23 00:03:32 most wall chargers put that sort of power out May 23 00:23:22 jacques: did you find what the heck happened to the GLES headers?! May 23 00:23:56 everything that needs them now doesn't build... :( May 23 00:24:04 and i wanted to get everything building today, boo May 23 00:28:25 dtzWill: espeak builds now again and uses the svn and not the zip that chnages from time to time . May 23 00:28:39 hape_: \o/ May 23 00:29:55 To make it possible I put some of the files that you need to compile with espeak into the git and cp them into the right place. I diden't find an other solution. May 23 00:30:42 The only other way would be to build a i86 espeak to only to compile the files and the do not chnage that often. May 23 00:33:18 jacques, dyoung tried again and it worked in that section....(made it past freetype) but then failed elsewhere. May 23 00:33:49 hape_: :/ well at least it works May 23 00:34:25 hape_: would you mind prefixing your commit messages with the project you're working on? "navit: fixed such and such", for example May 23 00:34:36 hape_: it's definitely not just you but you're here and i was just looking :) May 23 00:35:38 jacques, configure: error: XCB requires xsltproc. May 23 00:35:40 just stopped May 23 00:35:40 but thats not a sb2 problem May 23 00:35:40 thats a build dep problem May 23 00:37:45 ka6sox: yeah and that sounds familiar May 23 00:37:55 ka6sox: I think that's been there a while May 23 00:38:15 jacques: we need to list the build bugs so they can be fixed; i didn't know about that one :( May 23 00:38:25 IIRC I installed native xsltproc May 23 00:38:39 jacques: i think that's what i have going too :/ May 23 00:38:43 (unintentinoally) May 23 00:39:14 dtzWill: sorry for not reporting it more formally - I did mention it here in channel a couple of times May 23 00:39:27 jacques: haha no i'm sorry that it's broken :/ May 23 00:39:38 I'm not sure of the best solution - installing native xsltproc might be it May 23 00:39:39 jacques: not your fault at all, didn't mean to blame you :) May 23 00:39:50 np I didn't take it that way May 23 00:40:55 ka6sox: intermittent qemu segfaults we have seen before - we decided it was just qemu instability May 23 00:41:27 ka6sox: TBH, I haven't used 9.04 in a while tho, and I no longer get those - tke that FWIW May 23 00:41:48 what are you using now? May 23 00:42:00 ka6sox: I assume after installing 9.04, you (or dyoung) updated to latest packages? I always do that May 23 00:42:16 10.4? May 23 00:42:16 most likely May 23 00:42:24 dyoung set it up. May 23 00:42:25 :D May 23 00:42:34 jacques: i'll stage libxslt i suppose May 23 00:43:09 ka6sox: yeah now I'm using 10.04, and before that, 9.10 extensively May 23 00:43:46 okay we are on 9.10 May 23 00:43:46 (karmic) May 23 00:44:32 dtzWill: you like that solution better than adding an additional build system requirement? (I have no strong feelings either way) May 23 00:44:46 just apt-get install xsltproc is much easier :-) May 23 00:48:21 jacques: it's being difficult to stage, looks like apt-get it is :) May 23 00:49:59 ka6sox: it's gonna fail as soon as it hits something that needs GLES headers :( May 23 00:50:04 bbl all May 23 00:50:18 all of the sudden I can't push to gitorious :/ May 23 00:54:43 Any Preware 1.1.0 problems reported yet? May 23 00:55:47 not that I"ve seen all day May 23 01:05:53 Ubuntu LiveCDs are strange strange things May 23 01:06:49 rwhitby, you saw my reply yes? I was upgrading from 1.0.0 May 23 01:07:30 yep, that's expected for upgrade from 1.0.0 May 23 01:07:35 ok May 23 01:22:01 Does anyone know how to create a serial device out of a palm pre? Preferably over usb? I'm trying to connect my palm to a arduino microcontroller. May 23 01:22:09 i was hoping to have the palm pre act as the usb host and just use the usb line as a serial port, but that's seeming like it is unlikely May 23 01:23:02 i don't think anyone's been able to get the pre to be a host yet May 23 01:24:11 yeah, that's what my googling seemed to yield May 23 01:24:15 i thought it'd be worth asking May 23 01:24:44 you're free to try to get it to work .. May 23 01:25:04 there is apparently a usb host shield for arduino .. May 23 01:25:34 and we know enough about novacomd to be able to transfer files and operate a shell May 23 01:26:44 yeah, the host shield might be the way to go May 23 01:26:48 or maybe the bluetooth shield May 23 01:27:17 nah, i'd say usb host .. bt stack isn't as open/well known May 23 01:27:36 heyg May 23 01:27:41 hey May 23 01:27:51 hi May 23 01:27:52 yeah, good point May 23 01:28:15 can some one help me get the onscreen keybpard? May 23 01:28:56 keyboard* May 23 01:29:15 sorry, i don't know anything about the on screen keyboard May 23 01:29:30 damn May 23 01:29:37 someone else may May 23 01:30:20 geh I can't read what you guys said May 23 01:30:31 why? May 23 01:30:31 some links are in the way May 23 01:30:53 I only ssh into my pre May 23 01:30:55 I can see it now May 23 01:31:29 i actually use novaterm mostly May 23 01:31:29 do any of you know how to get preware and the keyboard? May 23 01:31:41 ~preware May 23 01:32:09 ? May 23 01:32:22 http://www.webos-internals.org May 23 01:32:25 you can install preware from the instructions at http://install.preware.org May 23 01:32:35 there you go! May 23 01:32:58 I'll try from that site thanks May 23 01:33:03 I was getting confused May 23 01:33:28 it's ok May 23 01:34:43 do I have to do this on m computer? May 23 01:35:09 yeah, can't quite install it only from the pre .. need some PC action May 23 01:35:20 ahh May 23 01:35:22 lol May 23 01:35:36 that might have been my problem May 23 01:36:21 well I'll do it another time May 23 01:36:26 okie dokie May 23 01:36:27 good luck May 23 01:36:28 thanks guys May 23 01:43:18 hello? May 23 01:43:35 is this where i go to get help with preware? May 23 01:43:35 hi May 23 01:43:48 possibly .. depending on what help you need May 23 01:44:10 wait...i think i figured it out :) May 23 01:44:39 nice May 23 01:44:47 just joining the channel solves problems :) May 23 01:46:38 :-) May 23 01:46:39 okay im back May 23 01:46:49 after i installed preware how do i find themes? May 23 01:48:07 enable themes feed/s and update feeds May 23 01:48:22 bear in mind I have never actually used themes May 23 01:49:17 bpadalino: thanks for your help May 23 01:49:23 how do you enable themes feeds? May 23 01:50:06 there is a menu which allows you to configure feeds May 23 01:53:22 i got it...THANKS! May 23 01:55:11 it gave me an error message said "there is alread a theme installed. remove any installed themes before continuing" how do i do this? May 23 01:56:24 is there already a theme installed? May 23 01:56:38 yeah, but how do i remove it to install a new one? May 23 01:57:14 maybe uninstall it using whatever you used t install it May 23 01:57:29 preware? May 23 01:57:52 i used WebOS Quick Install May 23 01:58:05 I would try that to uninstall it May 23 01:58:26 it's likely that preware cannot remove a theme it didn't install May 23 01:58:35 okay ill try it May 23 02:02:01 no, same error message May 23 02:02:05 this sucks May 23 02:02:19 ruh roh May 23 02:03:22 has anyone used preware to install themes? May 23 02:03:54 is there a more detailed log you can share ? May 23 02:04:14 what do you mean? May 23 02:04:28 laknbawill: you removed the theme with WOSQI and preware still says it cannot install a new theme? May 23 02:04:40 yes May 23 02:04:42 laknbawill: what version of preware are you using? May 23 02:04:49 I wonder if it's a 1.1.0 things May 23 02:04:59 how do i check? May 23 02:05:01 s/gs/s/ May 23 02:05:01 jacques meant: I wonder if it's a 1.1.0 thins May 23 02:05:05 im new to this May 23 02:05:18 ugh, power glitch May 23 02:05:39 laknbawill: preware should show you the version number near the top of the window when it starts May 23 02:06:21 1.1.0 May 23 02:07:01 v1.1.0 May 23 02:07:45 yeah that's the latest, and I don't know how much it has been tested with themes May 23 02:07:54 :-| May 23 02:09:22 its cool, kind of frustrating that i cant figure it out May 23 02:09:31 laknbawill: need to see the IPKG log. email it to yourself, then put it on webos.pastebin.com May 23 02:10:44 ok May 23 02:11:12 laknbawill: uh oh, you've awakened the rwhitby May 23 02:14:19 i submited it May 23 02:15:15 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/22/hp-taiwan-reportedly-reaffirms-pre-october-launch-for-webos-tabl/ May 23 02:15:19 can't wait! May 23 02:15:21 whats the url to the pastebin? May 23 02:15:27 http://webos.pastebin.com/d2vfGCZy May 23 02:16:21 bpadalino: sweet - so that's why we use webos.pastebin.com May 23 02:16:41 ka6sox: on left side of screen it shows recent submits May 23 02:17:08 oh kewl. May 23 02:17:25 laknbawill: can you get a command line on the device? May 23 02:17:34 how? May 23 02:17:44 webos quick install perhaps? May 23 02:18:11 ill see May 23 02:18:13 laknbawill: what is the name of the theme? May 23 02:18:51 its the 300 theme...lol, but ive tried several themes and got the same message May 23 02:19:09 laknbawill, install a terminal program from preware or openssh from optware. May 23 02:20:14 youll have to excuess my in-experience...whats a terminal program? May 23 02:21:33 Terminal service plugin? May 23 02:23:33 laknbawill: a terminal app will give you a linux command line in a window on the phone May 23 02:24:06 but command line using WOSQI would probably be better in case you have to cut and paste things May 23 02:24:09 okay, i installed "Terminal service plugin" May 23 02:24:29 laknbawill: there is a terminal app that goes with that - the plugin alone is not enough May 23 02:25:45 im installing "Terminal" May 23 02:25:56 do i launch it? May 23 02:26:31 laknbawill: I just installed the 300 theme on a fresh webOS 1.4.2 device using Preware 1.1.0 with no errors. May 23 02:27:15 I envy you...it wont work for me. what do i do with "Terminal" May 23 02:27:48 laknbawill: what did you use to install it? May 23 02:27:55 preware May 23 02:27:55 rwhitby: I think laknbawill's issue is related to him already having a theme installed with WOSQI May 23 02:28:08 oh, you used WOSQI to install a theme? May 23 02:28:15 yeah May 23 02:28:16 what version of WOSQI? May 23 02:28:33 3.12 May 23 02:28:53 so did you uninstall it with WOSQI? May 23 02:29:29 i believe so... i pushed the revert to default button. May 23 02:29:40 and did that work? May 23 02:30:05 i got that message before i did that, and after May 23 02:30:20 what message, before what, and after what? May 23 02:30:34 300 theme uninstalled fine with preware too May 23 02:30:59 the same message May 23 02:31:08 the error message ? May 23 02:31:28 that log looks like there is a text file missing somewhere May 23 02:31:36 what message, before what, and after what? May 23 02:31:46 yeah, the same error message May 23 02:31:51 what message, before what, and after what? May 23 02:31:54 heh May 23 02:32:08 rwhitby: the one he posted is here: http://webos.pastebin.com/d2vfGCZy (i believe) May 23 02:32:26 bpadalino: that's not a message from WOSQI May 23 02:32:29 oh May 23 02:32:33 right - it's not May 23 02:32:44 i didnt get a message from WOSQ May 23 02:32:50 II May 23 02:32:51 this is like who's on first :) May 23 02:33:16 laknbawill: ok, you're currently failing on communicating here. you're the one asking for help, so you need to fix that. May 23 02:33:35 let's start again May 23 02:33:44 so did you uninstall it with WOSQI? May 23 02:33:44 okay... May 23 02:34:06 yes, i pushed the revert to default button under the themer tab May 23 02:34:12 and did that work? May 23 02:34:37 yes, i got the default themer May 23 02:34:57 so no error message May 23 02:35:01 no May 23 02:35:09 and the device did a luna restart? May 23 02:35:15 yes May 23 02:35:20 and the theme was gone? May 23 02:35:24 (visually) May 23 02:35:41 yeah, the phone restarted May 23 02:36:00 it was probably just the UI restarting, not the whole phone May 23 02:36:22 (but it's hard to tell the difference between those two if you're not familiar with both) May 23 02:36:22 okay... May 23 02:36:28 ok, so what happened next? May 23 02:36:34 im not, i got my phone last week May 23 02:36:55 i tried to install 300 theme and i got that message May 23 02:37:20 what theme did you install and then remove before that with WOSQI? May 23 02:37:33 abstrack black May 23 02:37:57 ok, one minute while I reproduce that here and see what state the filesystem is in after that May 23 02:38:09 ok May 23 02:38:24 laknbawill: this is a webOS 1.4.2 device, right? May 23 02:38:37 ill see May 23 02:39:04 palm webO May 23 02:39:14 S 1.4.1.1 May 23 02:40:23 ok, I'm testing on a 1.4.2, but it should be the same May 23 02:40:33 ok May 23 02:42:10 laknbawill: ok, to confirm, you installed Abstract Black with WOSQI, then reverted to default with WOSQI, then attempted to install 300 with Preware. correct? May 23 02:42:25 yes May 23 02:44:37 dtzWill: you still about: May 23 02:44:39 ? May 23 02:45:23 is that me? May 23 02:45:31 looks like xorg-server also won't build due to changes in SDL: May 23 02:45:35 ../../../../src/hw/kdrive/sdl/sdl.c:248: error: 'SDL_OPENGLES' undeclared (first use in this function) May 23 02:45:46 (same problem as I see with glues-demos) May 23 02:45:54 weird .. they got rid of it in the patches ? May 23 02:45:56 laknbawill: ok, I can't reproduce your problem here, but I can see what is triggering it May 23 02:46:06 bpadalino: that's what I currently think May 23 02:46:10 that would be nice May 23 02:46:17 strange May 23 02:46:20 i wonder what happened May 23 02:46:21 laknbawill: what version of Preware were you using? May 23 02:46:42 bpadalino: and in all SDL patches after 1.4.0, two includes are missing (having to do with opengles) May 23 02:46:44 v1.1.0 May 23 02:46:58 SDL_opengles_ext.h and SDL_opengles.h May 23 02:47:01 laknbawill: if you connect again with WOSQI, does it think you have a theme installed? May 23 02:47:22 no May 23 02:47:23 i wonder if they didn't have the rights to post those headers ? May 23 02:47:58 laknbawill: open the Linux Command Line window in WOSQI May 23 02:48:16 its open May 23 02:48:49 bpadalino: I copied the ones from the 1.4.0 patch, but no go - something more fundamental has changed May 23 02:48:58 :( May 23 02:49:12 it will take me a while to sort it out May 23 02:49:28 I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same problem building xorg-server May 23 02:49:46 laknbawill: have you used a Linux command line before? May 23 02:49:51 no May 23 02:50:03 i took a C+ class at CSUB May 23 02:50:12 laknbawill: can you cut and paste from this window into that window? May 23 02:50:12 not sure if thats the same or not May 23 02:50:30 yes May 23 02:50:53 "gzip -dc libsdl-1.2-patch.gz | grep SDL_OPENGLES" shows SDL_OPENGLES still used but not defined May 23 02:51:05 yeah you actually see SDL_opengles.h in there too May 23 02:51:09 using it rather May 23 02:51:12 but not it in there May 23 02:51:30 yep May 23 02:51:40 laknbawill: I will tell you some commands to cut and paste. you should cut and paste back the result if it's a single line, or use webos.pastebin.com if it's more than one line (and then paste the one line URL it gives you here). OK? May 23 02:51:47 the install portion still refers to those two files May 23 02:52:02 ok May 23 02:52:21 laknbawill: ls -l /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/webos-quick-install/theme.xml May 23 02:53:01 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 226222 Apr 7 23:47 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/webos-quick-install/theme.xml May 23 02:53:31 ok, that's the problem. the existence of that file means that a theme is installed. May 23 02:53:51 ok May 23 02:53:52 if wosqi correctly reverted the theme, it should have removed that file. May 23 02:54:20 i see May 23 02:54:29 how else can i get rid of that file? May 23 02:54:40 you should report this in the WOSQI thread, asking Jason Robitaille why WOSQI did not remove that file when it reverted the theme, and why it doesn't recognise that a theme is installed when the file is there. May 23 02:54:52 you're using WOSQI 3.12, right? can you double-confirm that? May 23 02:55:15 yeah 3.12 May 23 02:55:28 laknbawill: since that file is still there, I'm concerned that the theme has not been removed May 23 02:55:50 ok May 23 02:56:02 laknbawill: you should use the WebOS Repair Utility to verify that your webOS files are not modified May 23 02:56:24 jacques: hrmmm .. so if you add the sdl_opengles.h file back - it doesn't fix anything ? May 23 02:56:40 wheres the repair utility? May 23 02:56:53 laknbawill: if it reports that all your webOS files are ok, then you can remove that file with the following command: May 23 02:57:02 laknbawill: rm -f /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/webos-quick-install/theme.xml May 23 02:57:18 laknbawill: make sure you don't make any mistakes cutting and pasting that command May 23 02:57:42 laknbawill: after that, the theme should allow itself to be installed May 23 02:57:46 do i use the repair utility, or just enter that command May 23 02:57:47 ? May 23 02:58:05 well, what did I say? May 23 02:58:13 laknbawill: you should use the WebOS Repair Utility to verify that your webOS files are not modified May 23 02:58:16 laknbawill: if it reports that all your webOS files are ok, then you can remove that file with the following command: May 23 02:58:31 ok...where is the repair utility? May 23 02:58:37 google knows May 23 02:58:53 is that the WebOS Doctor? May 23 02:59:18 no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 23 02:59:57 2010