**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 24 02:59:56 2010 May 24 03:00:11 it STILL has me as moof? May 24 03:00:59 who the heck has RMind? I thought I registered that... May 24 03:04:16 RagingMind: someone in norway May 24 03:05:43 well now that I'm reading up on NickServ that is gonna end May 24 03:08:25 Just saw the tweet about the widget concept. I'm getting excited that this could come into existence. May 24 03:08:26 I feel so much better now May 24 03:45:26 Every time I tap a PDK game to play, it always gives me the Too Many Cards Error. I just found someone else that has the same problem. http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2470992&posted=1#post2470992 May 24 03:45:47 Could it be due to us having JSTop Auto GC enabled? May 24 03:47:06 Gollyzila|comp: no May 24 03:47:30 Gollyzila|comp: It's caused by the JVM taking up too much memory, which won't exist in future versions May 24 03:47:31 jstop doesn't leave itself on to auto gc. It uses a timer to fire up a few minutes later. May 24 03:47:54 Gollyzila|comp: there's no good way to fix it, quickest fix is to restart Luna May 24 03:48:14 many /without/ homebrew also have this problem May 24 03:48:51 Currently, what relies on JVM? How will WebOS change without it? May 24 03:49:59 ~seen rwhitby May 24 03:50:05 yep May 24 03:50:29 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 2h 4m 58s) #oe (2d 2h 4m 58s) #meego (2d 2h 4m 58s) #nslu2-linux (2d 2h 4m 58s). Has said a total of 163 messages. Is idling for 1h 1m 3s, last said: 'I really need a Palm Profile name as carrier string patch ...'. May 24 03:50:42 infobot: no, I said "yep" last May 24 03:51:37 Gollyzila|comp: Luna depends on the JVM May 24 03:51:47 and a few background services May 24 03:51:52 they are all moving to C eventually May 24 03:51:59 and the JVM will be removed May 24 03:52:08 Gollyzila|comp: all of the important services are java. phone. messaging. email. calender May 24 03:52:20 Gollyzila|comp: eventually they will all be C and javascript, and all that overhead will go away May 24 03:52:42 So overall performance will be faster? May 24 03:52:46 so it will "change" without it in the sense that it will be frickin' awesome and less laggy :p May 24 03:52:57 rwhitby: I'm not sure what the protocol here is for deciding when something is 'done' May 24 03:53:01 yes, more reliable, less missed calls/late messages, less too many cards, etc May 24 03:53:02 anybody want to help me figure out why I can't use freetether for more than 5-10 minutes before it breaks? May 24 03:53:14 PreGLAzed: you have bad coverage May 24 03:53:15 rwhitby: I have several ideas, including making it smaller, for the novaterm-bootstrap livecd May 24 03:53:17 nt4cats: usually we alpha test and get three independent success stories May 24 03:53:22 :/ May 24 03:53:24 oooooo that sounds exciting May 24 03:54:05 heh - I May 24 03:54:08 I've got a solid connection,but after a while both the bluetooth and usb options fail and require restarting the pc and sometimes the pre May 24 03:54:26 PreGLAzed: I'm guessing it's windows. Just a guess. May 24 03:54:29 * rwhitby is imagining Gollyzila|comp's avatar saying "oooooo" ;) May 24 03:54:31 though if I do one after the other, I can get 15 minutes May 24 03:55:32 well, tetherings my only option right now. what OS would you suggest I tether to for optimum functionality? May 24 03:55:40 Gollyzila|comp: replied in the forum with zsoc's infro May 24 03:55:46 s/infro/info/ May 24 03:55:47 azakus meant: Gollyzila|comp: replied in the forum with zsoc's info May 24 03:56:34 thanks May 24 03:56:47 azakus: i'm right here May 24 03:57:06 azakus: OH! You're the guy that takes everything I say in here and posts it on P|C! May 24 03:57:10 rwhitby: okay, well the current status is I have a LiveCD that boots into a gnome session and there is a "Novaterm Bootstrap" icon on the desktop. If you double-click on the icon it downloads the latest novaterm-bootstrap script from the internet and then executes it. May 24 03:57:33 zsoc: not quite May 24 03:57:39 that would be the first time i've done that May 24 03:57:57 PreGLAzed: I have had much better luck with usb only tethering. What OS are you using? May 24 03:58:06 azakus: Oh sorry, must have confused you then :) My apologies. May 24 03:58:09 zsoc: I can delete the post if you like. May 24 03:58:15 azakus: lol no it's no prob mate May 24 03:58:18 I think I should also drop a "README" icon on the desktop (or pop up a readme when you click the icon) May 24 03:58:18 win7, which uses the built-in ndis thingy May 24 03:58:34 I hope Palm has something big planned to compensate for iPhoneOS's folders. May 24 03:58:35 I don't trust any MS "built-ins" May 24 03:59:07 A shortcut to a page would fine May 24 03:59:19 also,does the free tether card have to be open or can I just turn on ip forward and toss it? May 24 03:59:40 PreGLAzed: you should be able to get rid of it. i usually leave it open for no reason May 24 04:00:00 but optimally, closing it shouldn't inhibit May 24 04:01:00 zsoc: why does the NDIS connection in network connections always show disabled even when I'm obviously accessing through it? May 24 04:01:42 that's not right May 24 04:01:56 I figured May 24 04:02:04 it's enabled in device manager May 24 04:02:23 but it never actuall says enabled or connected in etwork connections May 24 04:02:32 actually*, network* May 24 04:02:50 been confusing me for two days May 24 04:04:51 then I get "this device cannot start" (code 10) May 24 04:07:04 :/ May 24 05:52:08 morning May 24 14:02:38 Is there any way to connect a Pre to an ad hoc network? May 24 14:06:14 on android there is a binary to scan for wifi networks in a terminal.. is there something equal for webos? May 24 14:08:25 not that i know of May 24 14:09:22 damn.. May 24 14:11:22 currently looking through the whole fs to see if i can find something May 24 14:11:51 some wifi related files in /etc May 24 14:11:51 you can use any standard linux utility May 24 14:12:00 probably iwlist or iwconfig May 24 14:12:09 but ad-hoc is not supported by the driver May 24 14:12:15 ohh.. May 24 14:12:25 damn :( May 24 14:13:52 thanks dfor the information though ;) cya May 24 14:46:08 so the Evo has been rooted May 24 14:46:40 not too surprising May 24 14:48:26 source? May 24 14:48:45 engadget May 24 14:48:49 and a blurry video May 24 14:56:17 The worst news anyone could have imagined is true. That HP Slate will be running webOS. May 24 14:56:49 worst news? May 24 14:58:37 As in bad/horrible/wtf. May 24 14:58:48 yes, I think swisstomcat was asking why that is bad May 24 14:59:13 i can see webos on a tablet May 24 14:59:42 Not sure if you haven't noticed but the HP slate has a high resolution and webOS applications are going to be pretty much pure horizontal. May 24 15:00:37 Unless a update the the SDK is released between now and october I stick with "worst news" May 24 15:00:55 Also the HP slate is probably 2x bulkier than a tablet needs to be with webOS. May 24 15:02:04 obviously hp is going to hack it to their liking May 24 15:03:38 good point about the mostly horizontal apps May 24 15:05:19 zsoc_wirc: If that means setting the screen zoom when in applications someone needs to be shot over at HP. May 24 15:06:04 I guess we'll see May 24 15:06:12 I think october is very ambitious May 24 16:50:32 ka6sox: hey! sorry I missed your ping a few days ago May 24 16:50:42 ka6sox: how's everything? May 24 16:57:27 * Mousey waves May 24 17:01:42 * oilsworkn flips bird May 24 17:02:23 :) May 24 17:09:44 has anyone gotten usb diag drivers for the pre to work on win 7 x64? May 24 17:14:49 idk wtf but i can get it to start installing then it says "windows cannot find the file specified" and I looked through the inf and nothin seems wrong? May 24 17:17:09 anyone not afk lol May 24 17:21:46 sk1tt1sh: what specifically are you trying to do? May 24 17:22:01 i have the drivers working on my home computer (win7 x64) May 24 17:22:31 im trying to install the diagnostic drivers on win 7 x64 but it says file not found and i've tried all kinds of modifications to VID PID and yatta yatta from forums May 24 17:23:06 any tips on this. its an intel chipset so the NTamd64 should not be necessary right? May 24 17:23:54 hmmm, okay, maybe i haven't played with diagnostic drivers... but i still don't know what you're trying to install... novacom drivers? rndis drivers? May 24 17:26:20 uh... like if you do that ##usbpass and set diag to usb, it asks for drivers for "generic serial" and "reduced abstract control blah blah" May 24 17:27:38 ahhh, i haven't played with that aspect May 24 17:27:49 never needed to get that low-level May 24 17:27:56 its the qcusbser.sys driver May 24 17:28:10 oilsworkn: you ever done anything like that? May 24 17:28:20 nope, lol May 24 17:29:04 Im just trying to get the drivers installed so I can grab my qpst config info Im goin to update to 1.4 and I have the phone on a diff network. I was using xp back when I first programmed it lol now im on 7 x64 and I can't get xpmode to accept the drivers either....omg May 24 17:29:22 this thing has been the most irritating fun phone ever lol May 24 17:37:58 I think there's a bug in Preware or maybe it is just me, but it is labeling packages from the testing feeds to be from the regular WebOS Internals feed May 24 17:39:05 anyone else have this issue? May 24 17:39:25 can't update my preware haha May 24 17:40:00 :( May 24 17:40:59 it sucks when I can't tell if a package is from the testing feed or regular so I know if to be cautious or not May 24 17:40:59 HebrewzHammer: its always been that way? May 24 17:41:02 and I can't update it because I can't getinto qpst to get my programming info backed up :| May 24 17:41:33 oilsworkn: no, it used to label things correctly. I think this started when Preware went 1.0 May 24 17:41:47 that has nothing to do with preware May 24 17:42:26 the feed tells perware what feed the package is from May 24 17:42:37 which seems confusing, but it actually how it works May 24 17:42:45 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/Packages May 24 17:42:52 Source: "Feed":"WebOS Internals" May 24 17:43:06 so, the label in the feed info is wrong? May 24 17:43:12 oh, k May 24 17:43:12 yup May 24 17:43:32 maybe that should be "WebOS Internals Testing" May 24 17:43:33 idk May 24 17:43:34 I believeit should be "WebOS Internals Testing" May 24 17:43:40 yea May 24 17:43:41 but preware is reading whats there correctly :) May 24 17:43:52 cool, thanx for the help May 24 17:43:55 np May 24 17:44:04 i guess i need to mssg rob May 24 17:44:12 yep May 24 18:29:12 hello May 24 18:29:52 gooodbye May 24 18:30:50 that was quick May 24 18:31:32 Thats what she said May 24 18:32:17 hehe May 24 18:56:42 Preware said it had an update (of itself). I told it to install the update. It never completed so I restarted phone (pulled battery). Now preware says "The service versino is too old. First try rebooting your phone, or reinstall Preware and try again." I restarted Luna, then Java, then restarted phone via power menu. The little grey circle doesn't spin and goes away. So removed battery. It restarted. Preware message is still May 24 18:56:42 the same. May 24 18:57:13 How to reinstall preware? May 24 19:06:59 hi May 24 19:07:26 are you familiar with the command line on the phone? May 24 19:15:46 yes. May 24 19:15:48 I can ssh in. May 24 19:17:37 then you can do the following May 24 19:17:42 cd /tmp May 24 19:18:22 k May 24 19:18:47 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap May 24 19:19:12 done May 24 19:19:35 sh -x preware-boostrap May 24 19:19:53 answer no if you don't want alpha versions of preware May 24 19:19:54 Inclue alpha? May 24 19:19:57 probably not May 24 19:20:29 Done. May 24 19:20:32 Run preware? May 24 19:20:35 reboot May 24 19:20:47 then run preware May 24 19:20:52 what is the right procedure? Power menu -> restart? May 24 19:21:20 that's what i do, but you could even do restart or shutdown -r now on the command line :) May 24 19:21:22 mischko: typing (no quotes) 'reboot' is the easiest May 24 19:21:23 or type reboot at root prompt? May 24 19:21:24 ok. May 24 19:22:11 little circle spun a few times. then halted. May 24 19:22:17 We will see if it moves further. May 24 19:22:48 how long should I wait for activity before pulling battery? May 24 19:22:53 mischko: if that happens (and it doesn't move again) push down the power button on the top of the phone and toggle it back and forth 4 times May 24 19:23:17 do the push-and-toggle before removing the battery -- it was put in place to keep people from having to pull their batteries May 24 19:23:50 {push}-{back+forth}-{back+forth}-{back+forth}-{back+forth}-{release} May 24 19:24:00 it should reboot upon 'release' May 24 19:24:04 nt4cats: i didn't know that May 24 19:24:15 mine freezes quite often when trying to reboot May 24 19:24:23 i'll try that next time May 24 19:24:24 what am I toggling back and forth. Power button moves a tiny bit. Is that what u mean? May 24 19:24:30 Dosn't do anything. May 24 19:24:46 mischko: the way you toggle your phone from 'ringer' to 'silent/vibrate' May 24 19:24:54 It moved on. May 24 19:25:53 hmmm, nifty May 24 19:26:13 my phone used to hang on reboot often -- then I removed openssh, the "update my dyndns ip address thingy" (whose name escapes me right now), and turned off developer mode. Since doing those things I've been 100% stable. May 24 19:26:14 Palm logo is still fading in and out. May 24 19:26:33 mischko: that means your phone is booting, it'll finish before the half-life of cesium May 24 19:27:00 nt4cats: doesn't your phone need to be in dev mode to install from preware? May 24 19:27:02 yah. Sure would be nice if we could get real console logs on these. May 24 19:27:30 HattCzech_work: one preware is installed you don't need developer mode anymore May 24 19:27:33 reboot complete. running preware. May 24 19:27:41 s/one/once/ May 24 19:27:42 nt4cats meant: HattCzech_work: once preware is installed you don't need developer mode anymore May 24 19:27:42 looks good this time. May 24 19:27:58 (unless you're developing code or want to use novaterm) May 24 19:28:01 except for when i'm developing, right? :) May 24 19:28:08 yeah May 24 19:28:58 there is no security thread to having developer mode on all the time May 24 19:29:04 i dont know why people say to turn it off May 24 19:29:12 s/thread/threat/ May 24 19:30:06 PuffTheMagic: In my case I was unstable with it on (and 3 other things being true) -- I turned off all 3 at the same time and became much more stable. I have not had the time/curiousity to toggle those options individually (or in pairs, etc.) to see which one was at 'fault' May 24 19:30:08 Now I have had for a while a package (No Auto-Off While Charging) that's in a borked state in Preware. May 24 19:30:13 I can't unstall or upgrade it. May 24 19:30:23 nt4cats: what u mean unstable May 24 19:30:30 nt4cats: please quantify that May 24 19:31:10 PuffTheMagic: random luna hangs, hangs on shutdown. Both problems seem to have gone away for me completely now that I've turned off developer mode and uninstalled openssh and ip-autoupdate May 24 19:31:41 well that make no sense May 24 19:31:48 not calling u a lier May 24 19:32:08 dev mode wont affect anything May 24 19:32:13 PuffTheMagic: I cannot argue whether or not it makes sense -- only what happened May 24 19:32:14 homebrew might May 24 19:32:23 PuffTheMagic: I'm not saying that dev mode effected anything May 24 19:32:40 only that my before (unstable) state included dev mode, and my after (stable) state did not. May 24 19:32:57 hmm May 24 19:33:00 yeah and u shouldnt be saying that May 24 19:33:09 cause people will read it like that caused the problem May 24 19:33:42 ip-autoupdate is suspect to me May 24 19:33:57 I don't mention it often, and when I do I try and point out that I made multiple changes simultaneously and don't know which one(s) actually influenced my stability May 24 19:34:00 probably a shitty event.d file May 24 19:34:05 that does not quit properly May 24 19:34:14 causing luna to not shutdown proerply May 24 19:36:45 * nt4cats has noticed that this is the 2nd time PuffTheMagic has landed on me in the last two days ... I'm getting PuffPrints (TM) on my back ... May 24 19:38:27 nt4cats: just trying to help u track the real problem May 24 19:41:39 nt4cats: so is this reboot issue the only "stability" issue? May 24 19:46:07 PuffTheMagic: hang on reboot and Luna 'wakeup' crashes. Both were cured by the actions I took. May 24 19:46:44 well i cant imagine how anything u mentioned would cause wakeup crashes May 24 19:47:02 but either opensl and the autoip thing have event.d files May 24 19:47:17 which could piss off rebooting May 24 19:47:22 haven't seen the luna wakeup crashes for a while May 24 19:47:30 and since rod made the openssl event.d i doubt that is the issue May 24 19:47:31 PuffTheMagic: My only theory (with nothing other than anecdotal evidence to support) is that Luna in 1.4.x doesn't play well with background tasks May 24 19:48:29 meaning? May 24 19:48:41 nt4cats: background webos app May 24 19:48:44 headless app May 24 19:48:48 like browser or IM May 24 19:48:51 or phone May 24 19:48:53 or linux daemons May 24 19:48:57 like sshd May 24 19:48:59 I have been stable, added DevMode+OpenSsh+IpAutoUpdate and introduced instability, and then removing the three of them (at the same time) restored stability May 24 19:49:23 nt4cats: how do u know an package update to ipautoupdate didnt breaksomething May 24 19:49:30 since 1.4.x has been out May 24 19:49:43 have you tried going back to the last working webos? May 24 19:49:47 or last working version of the app? May 24 19:49:49 instead of latest? May 24 19:51:04 PuffTheMagic: I don't know that for sure. I know that the statement I made above is true, and that I have not [yet] invested any time trying to see which one (or combination) of the 3 apps/settings I removed/changed are to blame May 24 19:51:11 since preware works around webos bugs i haven't had the background services crashing May 24 19:51:41 swisstomcat: same with me May 24 19:51:48 webos has no bugs swisstomcat! :P May 24 19:51:54 haha May 24 19:52:00 tell me about it May 24 19:52:03 [; May 24 19:52:30 but you were right that the problem was the rescan call May 24 19:52:34 swisstomcat / PuffTheMagic: maybe this week I'll put the 3 things back and see if the culprit was Preware (aggrevating webos bugs) all along (but I'm pretty sure I was stable before 1.0.3 came out) May 24 19:52:56 rescan bug is a bitch May 24 19:53:49 yup May 24 19:57:10 webos quick install was fixed to use the newer method? or is it still using rescan? May 24 19:58:06 good question May 24 19:58:09 i don't know May 24 19:58:11 ask jason? May 24 19:58:13 why does my yahoo email accounts all of a sudden stop working May 24 19:58:27 Because.... its yahoo? May 24 19:58:31 ;) May 24 19:58:42 Hell, mine does the same May 24 20:01:33 so it's not compstible with palm or web os is that right? I'm confused it worked for like a month now it just keeps saying failed to load something about certificate May 24 20:11:39 i use yahoo mail May 24 20:11:41 no problems May 24 20:58:57 ? May 24 20:59:10 ? ? May 24 20:59:15 ! May 24 20:59:16 Can some one tell me why i can not talk on #webos? (might be noob) May 24 20:59:23 register your nick May 24 20:59:37 its like 9 years ago i last used irm :) May 24 20:59:56 hmm that must be new, cant remember that i have done that before May 24 21:00:02 well all your irm experience probably wont help with irc xD May 24 21:00:10 mIrc* May 24 21:00:13 lol May 24 21:00:36 can someone tell me how to register? May 24 21:00:45 type /msg nickserv help May 24 21:00:47 and it will help you May 24 21:00:52 thanks May 24 21:01:02 I got a damn activity button problem :s May 24 21:03:32 Thanks oilsworkn May 24 21:03:42 np May 24 21:04:35 Is it OK to ask code questions inhere as well? May 24 21:05:01 you can ask whatever you want May 24 21:06:21 code is usually in #webos, but go ahead and ask May 24 21:06:56 Ok thanks. Its night and i have to shutdown, but thanks for the helpo anyway May 24 21:07:12 cu another time May 24 21:27:12 I have a patch that I need to forcibly uninstall. It won't update and won't uninstall in Preware. May 24 21:27:43 When the phones charging, it doesn't turn off automatically which is good. May 24 21:27:48 So I want to try to reinstall it? May 24 21:31:12 Do I have to use EPR to remove all patches and start over clean? May 24 21:31:37 mischko: i dont know jack about patches May 24 21:31:44 but epr and reinstalling would probably work May 24 21:31:46 though dramatic May 24 21:32:56 Anyone know a nicer way to do this? May 24 21:51:33 anybody know how to fully remove mythether? May 24 21:52:09 i am unistalling it via WebOS quick install but reinstall and it magically remembers my network info so i must not be removing it fully May 24 21:52:23 i have been poking around via ssh but no luck May 24 21:53:43 nt4cats: your hang on reboot is due to the auto ipupdate ppp scripts May 24 21:53:56 morning rwhitby May 24 21:55:06 en0x: wosqi uses rescan May 24 21:55:16 rwhitby: ai am running preware 1.0.3, and trying to update to 1.1.0 it says "downloading" forever May 24 21:55:26 danstah, might just have the info in a db doesn't mean it has any much of a lingering installation, but I dunno really May 24 21:56:04 jacques: yeah, some versions of 1.0.3/4/5 were bad. you'll need a reinstall May 24 21:56:19 rwhitby: bootstrap ? May 24 21:56:23 yep May 24 21:56:28 'k thanks May 24 21:56:47 don't forget to reboot your phone after bootstrap :) May 24 21:56:48 rwhitby: saved pacakge list fail: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2472429#post2472429 May 24 21:57:16 oilsworkn: yeah, saw that, good call. May 24 21:57:27 unless rwhitby removed that rescan from preware-bootstrap May 24 21:57:29 :) May 24 21:57:33 oilsworkn: the real problem is that depends should not be merged May 24 21:57:37 i have a feeling saved package list is the cause of a lot of recent dep problems May 24 21:58:14 oilsworkn: we need to go through the info load functions and make some stuff overwrite (even to null) instead of merging, based on version numbers May 24 21:58:33 its not a problem untill you insert old data saved with the list May 24 21:58:43 the saved package list shouldn't be saving deps May 24 21:58:54 agreed. both things need to be fixed May 24 21:59:03 swisstomcat: I'll try to remember that - I can't try it right now anyway - at work at 1x roaming May 24 21:59:33 i am also thinking that the data is in a db somewhere but the real question is where? May 24 21:59:48 sprint needs to get a pre plus ASAP, my sprint pre is oreoing really annoyingly now May 24 22:00:05 jacques: agreed... mine is as well May 24 22:00:24 rwhitby: I don't suppose in all your pre disassembly/reassembly you foud a way to fix oreo ? May 24 22:00:43 jacques: nope, not from the outside May 24 22:01:38 rwhitby: are parts being damaged? spare parts would be needed to fix it? May 24 22:01:52 rwhitby: what do you mean by outside? May 24 22:01:55 jacques: dunno - I don't have a device that exhibits it May 24 22:02:07 I would be willing to take min apart if I could fix it May 24 22:02:20 rwhitby: lucky :-\ May 24 22:02:26 jacques: I mean you can't even see the parts in question without taking most of the phone apart May 24 22:02:32 i have available time tomorrow ... any work that needs to be done that i could do? May 24 22:03:14 mine now slides past where it should on close, leaving a kinda sharp edge on the bottom which hurts my finger when I'm holding it May 24 22:03:45 anybody have any inclinations where mytether might store its data? May 24 22:18:33 oilsworkn: so I just looked at the code, and I don't think we're saving depends information in the saved package list. May 24 22:18:45 oilsworkn: see infoSave function in package.js May 24 22:19:00 how could what i told dude to do have possibly worked then xD May 24 22:19:24 maybe it's getting in by some other route May 24 22:19:34 or maybe it's the ipkgservice entry which is doing it May 24 22:20:34 i dont see how? May 24 22:20:47 and thinking about it, I think we might actually want dependency information to be saved, but we want it to be overwritten to null if there is a newer version in the feed without a dependency May 24 22:21:14 so I'm going to take a close look at the info merging stuff and get that precise first May 24 22:21:44 that might also fix the problems when the same appid is in appcat and precentral feeds May 24 22:21:50 and the screenshot dups May 24 22:22:26 the only time we really want to merge anything is when the first entry came from status instead of a feed May 24 22:22:40 the only way screenshot dups could happen is if the same package is in there many times May 24 22:22:41 all other times we want to overwrite the whole package object May 24 22:24:04 why is the saved package list saving so much data anyways? May 24 22:24:24 so it can display a detailed package view when the package is not in the enabled feeds May 24 22:25:21 I think if I make the infoLoad routines precise and overwriting based on version, then a lot of subtle issues will go away May 24 22:25:42 i mean, isn't the name and packageid enough"? May 24 22:26:43 and feed, so people know where they need to get it from May 24 22:26:57 size, category, changelog, license, etc, don't need to be saved May 24 22:27:10 but having full information in there should not cause a problem if the info overwriting is working properly May 24 22:27:29 so I'm gonna work on that first and then see how things are May 24 22:27:30 you're not saving the feed May 24 22:28:47 I wonder how this db8 stuff will work. when that arrives we should be able to use a couchdb server and do syncing of feed deltas May 24 22:29:12 *really* reduce the download and loading times May 24 22:29:46 let's hope it will arrive sooner than later May 24 22:29:50 So, guess what I found out yesterday May 24 22:29:56 lately it seems that palm is massive resource contrained May 24 22:30:10 rwhitby: thanks for the info about the ipupdate scripts. That's good to know May 24 22:30:28 My local post office does not have international envelopes/box's. They make you order them online and wait for them to be shipped. At least its free May 24 22:30:44 halfhalo-work: oh, this is for the ts backs? May 24 22:30:48 yeah May 24 22:30:59 thanks man, appreciate the effort you're going to May 24 22:31:29 I need two of them now :) May 24 22:31:59 If you have the money thats not an issue May 24 22:32:58 not for frees? May 24 22:33:17 oilsworkn: for shipping May 24 22:33:44 lol May 24 22:34:09 OMG May 24 22:34:21 hey egaudet May 24 22:34:23 * oilsworkn passes out May 24 22:34:56 hi rwhitby May 24 22:35:04 oilsworkn, what happened!? May 24 22:35:20 haven't seen you on here in forever May 24 22:35:44 egaudet: for 1.4.2 vkb, do we go with what's in autopatch or what's in testing? May 24 22:35:52 egaudet: all patch feeds have aupt-4 now May 24 22:36:48 rwhitby: you mentioned before you've used qnap nases, right? May 24 22:37:45 HattCzech_work: yep, qnap and synology both officially use optware May 24 22:38:07 what would your recommendation be for drives? May 24 22:38:26 i'd like the seagate 7200.12 in 1.5tb or 2tb, but they aren't made that large May 24 22:38:54 and i'm not sure if i want to go with the 1.5tb 7200.11... May 24 22:39:02 my recommendation would be raid5 or mirrored and don't worry about what drive you use, cause you're gonna need to replace it eventually anyway May 24 22:39:26 you have to treat every drive as if it will fail tomorrow May 24 22:39:30 i've heard the 5900rpm drives have some issues with raid though... May 24 22:41:31 have you used any of the "green" drives in the nases? May 24 22:41:58 i do May 24 22:41:59 yep, no problems with them other if you're not performance critical May 24 22:42:06 * rwhitby bbl May 24 22:42:06 rwhitby, I'm going to dl the 1.4.2 doctor now and see what needs porting May 24 22:42:17 i'm using two 1tb wd green drives in my nas May 24 22:42:28 hmmm May 24 22:42:44 what's the performance hit with green vs regular? May 24 22:42:51 so how things been egaudet? May 24 22:43:00 (i knew there was one, but haven't been able to get details) May 24 22:43:03 hard to tell since i didn't use others yet .. but i'm very happy with the performance May 24 22:43:23 not too bad oilsworkn, yourself? May 24 22:43:37 not bad May 24 22:43:55 swisstomcat: what kind of nas did you get? May 24 22:44:11 i built my own (atom-mainboard and ubuntu server) May 24 22:44:32 rock-solid *knock on wood* May 24 22:47:17 performance hit depends on what the limiting factor is May 24 22:47:38 if network is limiting factor, you may not see a hit May 24 22:48:02 i plan to do some upgrades, so gigabit for network May 24 22:48:07 good night everyone May 24 22:48:14 currently, the megabit connection is my limiting factor May 24 22:48:17 night May 24 22:48:47 with gigabit, a lot of times the limiting factor is NAS CPU May 24 22:49:00 dual-core atom? May 24 22:49:08 D510 or whatever? May 24 22:49:15 oh, in that case it may not be :-) I was thinking aboutt he ARM based ones May 24 22:49:30 my current one is arm, which is why i want to upgrade :) May 24 22:49:45 but i've been pissed at the drive selection over the past year May 24 22:50:04 i like the 7200.10's i've got in mine... but i wanted the 7200.12's to get larger May 24 22:50:17 and they've stayed at 1tb for over a year and a half May 24 22:50:52 HattCzech_work: I've been looking at this: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=146 (QNAP TS-859 Pro) May 24 22:51:07 yeah, my old readynas had a bigtime cpu limitation May 24 22:51:18 hehehe, i'm not sure if i need 8 bays, but i want the 459 pro :) May 24 22:51:20 loved it generally, but it would bottleneck super fast on ssh May 24 22:51:50 i have a ts-409pro, but it's just not fast enough May 24 22:52:57 and i think that i will want a faster one in a couple of years, so the 8-bay might be overkill for now :) May 24 22:53:32 sigh, newegg still doesn't have the 859 May 24 22:53:38 amazon does May 24 22:53:41 ooh May 24 22:54:00 and the 459 is a bit cheaper (at the moment) on amazon May 24 22:54:15 but again, i come back to the drive choices :/ May 24 22:54:21 "Gift-wrap available." :-D May 24 22:54:25 haha May 24 22:55:03 HattCzech_work: I was planning on using 2TiB drives, so now I have the same question as you :-) May 24 22:55:13 s/TiB/TB/ May 24 22:55:13 jacques meant: HattCzech_work: I was planning on using 2TB drives, so now I have the same question as you :-) May 24 22:55:27 yeah, for performance, the xt and wd black are just too expensive May 24 22:55:51 so then i ask myself if i want green drives or TRY to wait for 7200.12 to increase (or come out with 7200.13) May 24 22:57:00 there will always be something better about to come out May 24 22:57:06 it's a dilemma May 24 22:57:13 the reason i like the 7200.12 drives is because they're quieter and run cooler than most other comparable drives May 24 22:57:27 hitachis are a bit louder May 24 22:57:28 how can I check if I have any outstanding commits that aren't pushed? May 24 22:57:32 quiet and cool is good May 24 22:57:57 egaudet:i have no clue May 24 22:58:09 egaudet: sorry, that's beyond my minimal git knowledge May 24 22:58:26 I know status branch clone pull commit May 24 22:58:34 and checkout-index May 24 22:58:44 wow, you might as well be an expert May 24 22:59:17 I tend to use git only for myself, so I don't frequently push to upstream repos May 24 23:00:47 heh, and git log too of course :-) and show and have used cherry-pick a couple of times May 24 23:04:01 bear in mind those are about 1% of git commands May 24 23:04:06 :-| May 24 23:04:45 which is 1% more then i know May 24 23:05:43 sounds like everyone knows the same small amount :P May 24 23:06:48 oh, and if git gets upset/confused, I am totally lost :-( May 24 23:07:06 at which point you delete everything and clone again xD May 24 23:07:21 Puff is crying right now lol May 24 23:07:22 yes! :-) May 24 23:07:27 puff knows all about git May 24 23:07:31 yea i know May 24 23:07:33 but is too busy coming up with bad app ideas xD May 24 23:07:38 lol May 24 23:07:41 how's wirc? May 24 23:07:46 HAHA May 24 23:07:53 aren't there enough bad apps already? May 24 23:08:02 i pushed 0.1.0 with random binaries i pulled off devices May 24 23:08:09 0.1.0 nice May 24 23:08:12 which kicked others in gear May 24 23:08:16 why aren't I showing update needed on my pre May 24 23:08:18 and they merged the service and app May 24 23:08:26 its now org.webosinternals.wirc May 24 23:08:31 oh nice it's merged May 24 23:08:33 0.2.4 or something May 24 23:08:34 PDK style? May 24 23:08:48 or preware service app style? May 24 23:08:51 I'm so out of touch :( May 24 23:08:56 preware style May 24 23:09:13 puff wants to convert it to pdk hybrid May 24 23:09:18 yeah May 24 23:09:19 but im not holding my breath xD May 24 23:09:39 cant even get him to fix simple problems in the service May 24 23:09:42 just FYI, in wirc, the service version says unknown May 24 23:09:48 not sure if you want to fix that or not May 24 23:09:57 that is the least important piece of wirc May 24 23:09:58 haha May 24 23:10:14 heheh, but figured i'd throw it out there May 24 23:12:22 rwhitby, so 1.4.2 didn't change framework versions I see, I just tagged current 1.4.1 for 1.4.2 so it should build next go around May 24 23:15:06 so who works on the backend services of preware? May 24 23:15:15 rwhitby May 24 23:15:17 well, a more appropriate question... May 24 23:15:54 would it be possible to make a service that ties into the messaging service and still keep it secure? May 24 23:17:03 HattCzech_work: ties in and do what? May 24 23:17:32 read/send messages :) May 24 23:17:47 i am missing the point May 24 23:18:05 u want to make a service that sends messages? May 24 23:18:26 yeah, but has limited access May 24 23:18:33 i basically do it through the app right now May 24 23:18:49 i still dont get waht u are doing May 24 23:18:50 but i want it to run in the background... so i need a service (or something like that) May 24 23:19:08 i see where a message comes from, and if it matches a contact, i do something May 24 23:19:11 PuffTheMagic, he wants to make a messaging bot... so you can send 100000 messages May 24 23:19:15 unnoticed May 24 23:19:17 :D May 24 23:19:20 right now, that something is playing a sound and vibrating May 24 23:19:48 HattCzech_work: u are still to vague to help out May 24 23:22:32 hmmm May 24 23:22:46 irc stopped working May 24 23:22:55 puff, did that make sense? May 24 23:50:30 what version of sdl is on pre May 24 23:51:06 1.2 May 25 00:28:11 ...why does preware.org instructions default to wosqi May 25 00:28:35 cause there is no other cross-platform set of instructions that are easier for new users May 25 00:28:52 it just fails to install preware's 'services' -- preware ' The service is not running, firs ttry restarting preware (did) or reboot your phone (did) and try again. May 25 00:29:12 hey , whats good May 25 00:29:36 should it not ah, directly link to the java bin? May 25 00:29:46 oc80z: got a repeatable test case for that with WOSQI 3.12? May 25 00:30:16 could have sworn i got 3.26 May 25 00:30:22 hang loose, May 25 00:34:18 what was that. dunno it works. May 25 00:34:47 yeah its ah, 3.12.... hows life eh? May 25 00:35:11 oc80z: good. so no repeatable test case? May 25 00:35:21 nah, its a clean install. May 25 00:35:41 all clear. May 25 00:44:25 is Jason.Robatie here? May 25 00:44:52 i just had my facebook banned, and the only thing that had changed was that i installed the facebook chat patch May 25 00:46:30 weird May 25 00:46:40 yeah May 25 00:51:48 ur facebook is banned? May 25 00:52:24 i'd like to learn how to ban my self from facebook. May 25 01:11:17 egaudet: ping May 25 01:11:44 oc80z post profanity or violate the TOS, none of wich i did ... May 25 01:12:12 egaudet: virtual keyboard fails to install on 1.4.2 - palmInitFramework200_72.js does not exist May 25 01:12:38 egaudet: it's palmInitFramework338.js on my 1.4.2 device May 25 01:48:31 rwhitby, I put the wrong patch version into the 1.4.2 branch, sorry... fixed for 1.4.2-2 May 25 02:02:27 egaudet: wow, it sure takes a long time for the postinst script to run May 25 02:26:55 Hey May 25 02:27:11 Anyone have any idea why WebOS Quick Install is telling me it can't get the feeds May 25 02:27:55 ? May 25 02:27:58 anyone? May 25 02:28:31 ia anyone alive? May 25 02:28:48 I don't see Jason here May 25 02:28:55 Not sure anyone else can offer wosqi support May 25 02:29:02 eh May 25 02:29:04 damn May 25 02:29:06 What are you trying to use it for? May 25 02:29:12 to get preware May 25 02:29:19 what OS May 25 02:29:26 so i can get the virtual keyboard for my Pre May 25 02:29:31 I'm on vista May 25 02:29:39 home premium 32bit May 25 02:30:01 and my pre is WebOS 1.4.1.1 May 25 02:31:13 any ideas? May 25 02:31:21 novaterm May 25 02:31:27 huh? May 25 02:31:37 download the sdk, run novaterm, install preware with the bootstrap May 25 02:31:45 or ask nt4cats to get you a copy of his alpha live cd May 25 02:32:03 hmm May 25 02:32:14 do you have any idea why it's not being able to connect to the feeds? May 25 02:33:00 maybe you... have.. no internet.. connection? May 25 02:33:07 lol May 25 02:33:10 how is that possible May 25 02:33:14 I am on this right now May 25 02:33:19 I have to have internet connection May 25 02:33:23 what version of wosqi May 25 02:33:30 3.2.1 May 25 02:33:31 or w/e May 25 02:33:39 it connects to the pre ok? May 25 02:33:42 the one the documentation from webos internals says to get May 25 02:33:51 er it never mentions anything about connecting to the pre May 25 02:34:44 what install guide are you following? May 25 02:37:40 One that was on youtube and the one from preware May 25 02:38:20 Curtiss: when does it give you that error May 25 02:38:27 does it list the feeds when you click on the little down arrow? May 25 02:38:30 when I click the blue down arrow May 25 02:38:38 and it tries to load the fees May 25 02:38:39 interesting May 25 02:38:58 I have the right doctor thing to May 25 02:39:02 and it;s in the same folder May 25 02:39:09 it's* May 25 02:39:32 maybe my java isn't up to date May 25 02:39:35 but I swore it was.. May 25 02:39:46 i think you need at least 1.6 May 25 02:40:17 I'm up to date May 25 02:40:49 hmm May 25 02:40:55 try the canuck software forum May 25 02:41:00 or install the sdk May 25 02:41:27 or a diff computer May 25 02:42:20 hmm May 25 02:49:02 hmmm May 25 02:49:14 this is going to make me mad May 25 02:52:14 webos Quick Install shows my device is connected May 25 02:55:51 Hey May 25 02:55:58 Should I be using the emulater or the usb device **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 25 02:59:57 2010