**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 26 02:59:57 2010
May 26 03:02:45 <Chriswebos> how can i get in touch with jason r?
May 26 03:04:09 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: precentral
May 26 03:04:42 <Chriswebos> yeah...i've found posts by him, but it looks like you gotta find a forum post by him to send him a message...
May 26 03:05:06 <kevinskocik> Twitter
May 26 03:05:13 <rwhitby> @JayCanuck
May 26 03:05:34 <Chriswebos> doh! don't use twitter much
May 26 03:05:54 <Chriswebos> doh! don't use twitter much  = not at all
May 26 03:06:51 <kevinskocik> Want me to ask him for you?
May 26 03:07:51 <Chriswebos> sure...
May 26 03:08:58 <Chriswebos> just saw his page on twitter...so i guess i can send him a direct message there?
May 26 03:09:04 <kevinskocik> Yep.
May 26 03:10:06 <Chriswebos> guess i need to figure that out...how will i know if he replied? will it go to my mailbox or something?
May 26 03:10:15 <kevinskocik> Yep.
May 26 03:10:24 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LNny70_Il9sJ:canuck-software.ca/filemgr.html+/search%3Fhl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26q%3D%2Bsite:canuck-software.ca%2Bcanuck%2Bsoftware&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
May 26 03:10:33 <rwhitby> there's an email address in there
May 26 03:12:29 <Chriswebos> cool...i can do email...I'm so last century
May 26 03:14:45 <rwhitby> Chriswebos: yeah, whenever anyone DMs me, I just give them an email address if I want to talk to them
May 26 03:22:46 <Chriswebos> just sent him a message...thanks guys
May 26 03:28:28 <sk1tt1sh> i've made a signifigant amount of customizations to my pre's os and i was wondering if there is a way to pull everything off the phone (primarily the rootfs) and then put into a "webos doctor" incase I need to reload
May 26 03:29:52 <rwhitby> not easily, no.
May 26 03:30:46 <rwhitby> that's the main reason why I started preware, actually.  so when I made mods, they could be packaged and applied automatically after doctoring
May 26 03:45:34 <sk1tt1sh> hrm
May 26 03:45:55 <sk1tt1sh> is there a pmmodemfactory in preware? Lol
May 26 04:02:59 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: how could there be, it's a proprietary copyright palm
May 26 04:29:57 <bpadalino> weird issue i have with sdl_image reading in png files, and giving me the wrong pixel data .. or maybe i just don't get it
May 26 04:30:55 <bpadalino> void *pixels in the SDL_Surface .. should be a 99x99 image .. 8-bit colors .. gives me the 99x99 image, but if i go through and print out the image, i get a slant to it going top left to bottom right
May 26 04:35:47 <bpadalino> there's 1 extra pixel for each line ..
May 26 04:40:52 <bpadalino> well that's even worse .. it's different for these different images i open
May 26 05:09:51 <sk1tt1sh> is there a way to change the opacity on the launcher?
May 26 05:14:51 <rwhitby> bpadalino: packing or alignment?
May 26 05:15:35 <bpadalino> i suppose it may be alignment .. let me see if that makes sense given the three different scenarios i'm seeing
May 26 05:19:35 <sk1tt1sh> nvm sorry
May 26 05:22:06 <bpadalino> rwhitby: yeah, exactly right with alignment .. you're a genius
May 26 05:23:54 <rwhitby> oc80z: can you please test the Preware 1.1.0 installers?
May 26 05:52:59 <mari> how do you download preware to your phone
May 26 06:56:25 <ztm> hello?
May 26 06:57:11 <ka6sox> hola
May 26 06:57:43 <ztm> I have a q!
May 26 06:58:04 <ka6sox> I might have an a.
May 26 06:58:57 <HotDP> Hello
May 26 06:59:33 <ka6sox> evening HotDP
May 26 06:59:40 <ka6sox> ztm, what is the q?
May 26 06:59:40 <ztm> awesome. Maybe, alright. You know how in preware you can have the basic UI theme 'palm default' and 'palm dark'? Is there a way to make palm dark a theme throughout the whole os? Does that exist?
May 26 07:00:29 <HotDP> Morgning +ka6sox :)
May 26 07:00:33 <ka6sox> look in the themes feed and see if its there...I don't use themes so I haven't checked.
May 26 07:00:43 <ztm> that's the teme name?
May 26 07:00:48 <ztm> theme*
May 26 07:01:18 <ka6sox> ztm, you would have to read the descriptions...never looked in that feed.
May 26 07:02:06 <ztm> so, "Morgning" is a feed, not a theme name, correct?
May 26 07:02:27 <HotDP> Morgning is like "Good morning"
May 26 07:03:27 <HotDP> I also have a Q, i can't get "vibrate" to work. Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playsSoundNotification("vibrate", "") . any ideer?
May 26 07:03:57 <ka6sox> HotDP, wait for it...I'm sure someone will have that answer.
May 26 07:04:20 <ka6sox> ztm, I would check prethemer (dunno the URL but you can google it)
May 26 07:04:28 <ztm> oh my do I feel lame.. Haha, well I have searched through a lot of themes and haven't found one even similar to Palm Dark.. If I could develop themes I'd make it but I haven't the time nor the patience.. Any suggestions?
May 26 07:05:03 <ztm> and thank you ak6sox :)
May 26 07:05:28 <ka6sox> np..enjoy
May 26 07:05:45 <ka6sox> HotDP, did you get the button to work?
May 26 07:05:49 <HotDP> Nope
May 26 07:05:50 <HotDP> Uncaught TypeError: Object #<an anonymous> has no method 'playsSoundNotification
May 26 07:06:38 <ka6sox> HotDP, bummers.
May 26 07:07:13 <ztm> why do you think it wouldn't work?
May 26 07:08:09 <ka6sox> ztm, he's working on an app and is having a bit of trouble.
May 26 07:10:13 <ztm> oh. As you can tell I have no idea what's going on, but I like it. I wouldn't mind getting into developing.. You guys have a sprint pre?
May 26 07:10:33 <HotDP> I have a German Pre :)
May 26 07:10:38 <ka6sox> I do. but its not hooked up to Sprint.
May 26 07:10:48 <ka6sox> I use it with WiFi only.
May 26 07:12:48 <ztm> I have an att pre plus :) I absolutely love it. Any hardware issues with you guys?
May 26 07:13:46 <Curtiss> my verizon one gets quite hot when charging
May 26 07:16:05 <Curtiss> Other than that it's not that bad
May 26 07:16:19 <Curtiss> there are a few things that could switch between portfolio and landscape which don't
May 26 07:16:23 <ztm> hmm, I wonder why. I use a touchstone and that's great. It was free. Do you have the over clock mod running?
May 26 07:16:36 <Curtiss> over click mod?
May 26 07:16:39 <Curtiss> clock*
May 26 07:16:56 <Curtiss> what's that?
May 26 07:17:30 <ka6sox> Curtiss, uberkernel + govnah.
May 26 07:18:03 <Curtiss> huh?
May 26 07:18:11 <Curtiss> uberkernel + govnah?
May 26 07:18:18 <ka6sox> preware packages.
May 26 07:18:27 <Curtiss> what are they?
May 26 07:18:33 <Curtiss> like what do they do?
May 26 07:19:03 <ka6sox> lmgtfy
May 26 07:20:09 <ztm> makes the pre's processor run at a higher mHz rate, which means faster phone
May 26 07:20:47 <ztm> btw, how would one go about applying this mod?
May 26 07:21:39 <ka6sox> ztm, its in the kernel feed.
May 26 07:22:27 <ztm> oh, thabks you :) I'll check it out now
May 26 07:22:34 <ztm> thank you*
May 26 07:23:09 <ztm> do you recommend it?
May 26 07:24:09 <ka6sox> I use them both...love them.
May 26 07:24:48 <Curtiss> hey Ka
May 26 07:24:57 <Curtiss> what were those patches you were talking about
May 26 07:25:20 <ka6sox> ~uberkernel
May 26 07:25:31 <ka6sox> ~govnah
May 26 07:25:31 <Curtiss> what does it do?
May 26 07:25:37 <ka6sox> hmmm.
May 26 07:25:47 <ka6sox> ~botslap
May 26 07:25:54 * infobot whimpers 
May 26 07:25:58 <ztm> use both? What's the other kernel besides uberkernel? Or is that both of them together?
May 26 07:26:19 <Curtiss> I still don't understand what they do..
May 26 07:26:23 <ztm> any battery life probs with the kernel?
May 26 07:26:29 <ka6sox> the kernel governors are controlled by the govnah app.
May 26 07:27:02 <ka6sox> ztm, when you go faster you do burn more battery.
May 26 07:27:45 <ka6sox> but I use the conservative governor when I'm doing testing and when I'm just sshing into it I'm on the screenstate one.
May 26 07:27:50 <ztm> I figured, so what other things should I download in addition to the uber kernel?
May 26 07:27:58 <ka6sox> wIRC.
May 26 07:28:43 <ka6sox> the kernel doesn't do much until you install/configure the govnah app.
May 26 07:28:53 <Curtiss> so it helps with your batery life?
May 26 07:28:56 <Curtiss> or?
May 26 07:29:01 <ztm> oh. Is there a way to make where when you're in sleep it's low and when you're using it it's 700-800 mhz?
May 26 07:29:26 <ztm> o. Makes phone run FASTER curtus
May 26 07:29:32 <ztm> no* curtis*
May 26 07:29:33 <Curtiss> oh
May 26 07:29:36 <Curtiss> ok
May 26 07:30:05 <HotDP> For info is Vibrate working now, i just need to find out have to change the lenght
May 26 07:30:31 <Curtiss> hey
May 26 07:30:33 <ka6sox> HotDP, excellent...now to tweak and you are golden.
May 26 07:30:38 <Curtiss> for that facebook chat spoof patch
May 26 07:30:49 <Curtiss> does it actually allow you to talk to your facebookfriends that are online?
May 26 07:30:55 <ka6sox> nn..catch y'all laters.
May 26 07:31:15 <ztm> good bye
May 26 07:31:30 <HotDP> cu
May 26 07:32:53 <ka6sox> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel
May 26 07:39:13 <Curtiss> well
May 26 07:39:15 <Curtiss> I'm out
May 26 07:39:15 <Curtiss> peace
May 26 09:04:09 <swisstomcat> morning
May 26 09:23:52 <CorpX> mm
May 26 09:24:07 <CorpX> i just wrote a perl script to export text msgs using perl
May 26 09:24:15 <CorpX> can i put it in wiki?
May 26 09:29:54 <Marajin>  
May 26 13:16:03 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
May 26 13:44:04 <swisstomcat> morning
May 26 13:45:43 <HattCzech_work> morning
May 26 13:53:42 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 26 16:48:35 <egaudet_work> dBsooner: ping
May 26 16:49:26 <halfhalo_pre> ok, I miss the screen brightness patch...
May 26 17:15:54 <TheInvsbleMan> Would there be any way/anyone interested in writing a patch that hides all cards? Maybe with a push of the center button or a downward swipe, and then the same button/gesture would bring them back. That way we can see our background easily when we want
May 26 17:17:06 <en0x> there is
May 26 17:17:12 <en0x> it's called close ur apps ;d
May 26 17:23:40 <TheInvsbleMan> haha well I know that
May 26 17:23:51 <oilsworkn> afaik all the card-stuff is in luna
May 26 17:23:54 <TheInvsbleMan> I just thought it would be cool to use the center button or downward swipe gesture for something
May 26 17:23:55 <oilsworkn> not something that can be patched
May 26 17:24:02 <TheInvsbleMan> ahh ok
May 26 17:24:07 <oilsworkn> (ofcourse i could be totally wrong)
May 26 17:24:22 <TheInvsbleMan> I don't know any coding… so I wouldn't even know heh
May 26 17:25:24 <HattCzech_work> oilsworkn: if it were patchable, i don't think it would be simple
May 26 17:26:28 <oilsworkn> yeah, but i dont think that part is html/css/js
May 26 17:26:40 <egaudet_work> downward swipe is used for maximizing the card I thought
May 26 17:26:45 <TheInvsbleMan> oh, and any idea why the sms tone per contact patch breaks the wrap pages in launcher patch?
May 26 17:26:57 <TheInvsbleMan> yes, it does that. But I don't know of anyone who actually uses that
May 26 17:27:02 <oilsworkn> 
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May 26 17:27:27 <egaudet_work> there's an app in the app catalog that is a "see through" card right?  that just shows the background
May 26 17:27:28 <oilsworkn> i just called to get another replacement pre
May 26 17:27:32 <egaudet_work> would accomplish the same thing right?
May 26 17:27:50 <oilsworkn> that app is not really transparent
May 26 17:27:50 <TheInvsbleMan> yea, I have seen that. didn't even think of it
May 26 17:27:53 <oilsworkn> it cheats xD
May 26 17:27:58 <HattCzech_work> oilsworkn: what happened now?
May 26 17:28:03 <TheInvsbleMan> I was thinking something more like exposé on Mac OS
May 26 17:28:08 <oilsworkn> well the original one broke
May 26 17:28:13 <oilsworkn> this one has crazy static whenever im in a call
May 26 17:28:40 <TheInvsbleMan> I just got my replacement. The last replacement they sent me had a bluetooth issue
May 26 17:28:56 <oilsworkn> my original launch pre was a trooper
May 26 17:29:05 <oilsworkn> but the clips for the slider broke
May 26 17:29:17 <oilsworkn> and metal pieces were hanging over the keyboard below the slider
May 26 17:29:32 <oilsworkn> this one is physically fine, just that static issue is a no go
May 26 17:29:39 <HattCzech_work> that sucks
May 26 17:29:49 <oilsworkn> i didn't even realize for a while
May 26 17:29:55 <oilsworkn> dont get all that many calls
May 26 17:29:55 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to hold out for a "new" one... if that ever happens
May 26 17:29:58 <TheInvsbleMan> got a replacement Pre that came with a cracked screen once.
May 26 17:30:04 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 17:30:18 <TheInvsbleMan> yea… haha it was bad
May 26 17:30:37 <oilsworkn> they must have like 0 quality assurance, haha
May 26 17:30:48 <oilsworkn> i guess it IS an insurance company afterall
May 26 17:31:05 <TheInvsbleMan> haha yea
May 26 17:34:32 <TheInvsbleMan> Now I'm just waiting to get my 2600mah battery back from Seidio
May 26 17:34:43 <HattCzech_work> the bulky monster battery?
May 26 17:35:02 <TheInvsbleMan> eh it's kinda bulky but not the really bulky one
May 26 17:35:05 <TheInvsbleMan> that's the 3800
May 26 17:35:10 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 17:35:16 <HattCzech_work> whaaa!?
May 26 17:35:18 <TheInvsbleMan> I actually like the extra size the 2600 gives my Pre
May 26 17:35:36 <TheInvsbleMan> makes it easier to hold onto, plus the soft touch back is nice
May 26 17:35:45 <oilsworkn> no touchstone is deal breaker
May 26 17:35:54 <TheInvsbleMan> ahh I don't bother with touchstone
May 26 17:36:03 <TheInvsbleMan> somebody modded one of the backs though I believe
May 26 17:36:07 <TheInvsbleMan> to work with touchstone
May 26 17:36:24 <oilsworkn> lets be serious here, the touchstone is the only way to charge
May 26 17:36:45 <HattCzech_work> agreed
May 26 17:36:57 <TheInvsbleMan> eh, I have never had one
May 26 17:37:04 <TheInvsbleMan> Don't really see the need to spend the cash
May 26 17:37:05 <HattCzech_work> picked me up a 2nd one when rat shack had them on sale
May 26 17:37:11 <egaudet_work> I pushed through most of the patch backlog in the portal
May 26 17:37:23 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work ftw
May 26 17:37:35 <oilsworkn> any awesome new patches?
May 26 17:37:36 <TheInvsbleMan> does that mean patch updates/new patches?
May 26 17:37:49 <TheInvsbleMan> updating my feeds now :)
May 26 17:37:58 <egaudet_work> yeah I think there were like 7 new ones and 10 updated or something I dunno
May 26 17:39:39 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: per contact call rejection :)
May 26 17:39:52 <egaudet_work> with option to go straight to voicemail or pickup/hangup
May 26 17:40:26 <egaudet_work> and gps icon in top bar looks useful
May 26 17:40:35 <oilsworkn> no auto answer on touchstone removal
May 26 17:40:38 <oilsworkn> nice
May 26 17:41:25 <TheInvsbleMan> I just wish the wrap pages patch would be updated :-/
May 26 17:41:36 <TheInvsbleMan> sms tone per contact breaks it
May 26 17:41:54 <egaudet_work> sms tone per contact v2 was updated
May 26 17:41:59 <TheInvsbleMan> I see that
May 26 17:42:00 * oilsworkn wants to make "home screen" patch with widgets/etc
May 26 17:42:12 <TheInvsbleMan> I don't use v2 it doesn't let you set a global tone
May 26 17:42:53 <egaudet_work> global tone is allowed by Palm in 1.4 i thought?
May 26 17:43:19 <TheInvsbleMan> yes but it only allows you to set it to match your ringtone I believe
May 26 17:43:20 <egaudet_work> from v2 patch description... "Since the unpatched messaging application now allows for selecting a global message tone"
May 26 17:43:26 <egaudet_work> oh
May 26 17:43:32 <TheInvsbleMan> yea… it says that, but I have never been able to find it
May 26 17:44:08 <oilsworkn> its right in prefs
May 26 17:44:08 <egaudet_work> preferences & accounts from app menu
May 26 17:44:10 <egaudet_work> system sound
May 26 17:44:30 <oilsworkn> change it to ringtone from system sound
May 26 17:44:32 <egaudet_work> tap ringtone and choose one
May 26 17:44:41 <TheInvsbleMan> ahh ok
May 26 17:44:43 <TheInvsbleMan> cool
May 26 17:44:44 <TheInvsbleMan> thanks!
May 26 17:44:50 * oilsworkn thinks more patches should add options like that
May 26 17:45:19 <oilsworkn> like instead of a patch to do this
May 26 17:45:24 <egaudet_work> tone per contact patch has always been the model IMO for proper additional functionality
May 26 17:45:38 <TheInvsbleMan> yes I agree
May 26 17:45:39 <oilsworkn> make the patch change a form to give you the option to do this
May 26 17:45:53 <egaudet_work> yup oilsworkn I've been saying it from the start
May 26 17:46:14 <oilsworkn> it would probably make palm more likely to use them
May 26 17:46:19 <egaudet_work> definitely
May 26 17:47:14 <TheInvsbleMan> what does it mean if I get a patch that fails and gives me the directory then 2>&1 after it in the log?
May 26 17:47:31 <TheInvsbleMan> on the postinst
May 26 17:48:12 <egaudet_work> look at /media/internal/webos-patches.log for a complete log
May 26 17:48:31 <TheInvsbleMan> ok 1 sec luna is rebooting
May 26 17:48:36 <egaudet_work> I must have some wonky 2>&1 in echo in the aupt script
May 26 17:49:10 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: so I started to look at PDKifying wirc last night
May 26 17:49:38 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 17:50:27 <oilsworkn> hows it look?
May 26 17:50:29 <egaudet_work> woulda been a lot less work without 1.5 million subscriptions lol
May 26 17:51:08 <oilsworkn> well the 1.5 million subscriptions may not be better in the long run
May 26 17:51:17 <oilsworkn> dude has been saying worse battery life with the extra
May 26 17:51:47 <egaudet_work> I don't think it will be that hard to get it ported to PDK but I'll want to decide whether to use the multi-subscription type stuff or not
May 26 17:52:20 <egaudet_work> it may not even make sense for it to be like that with PDK style anyway
May 26 17:53:14 <TheInvsbleMan> on the step where the patch checked to see if -r would work it found an unreversed patch
May 26 17:53:42 <egaudet_work> pastebin the whole section of that patch installation from webos-patches.log
May 26 17:54:11 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: probably keep as much as possible done in JS rather than C
May 26 17:54:35 <egaudet_work> so just blindly transfer messages from C to JS rather than parsing them for type etc...
May 26 17:54:40 <TheInvsbleMan> http://pastebin.com/NGT3tRm2
May 26 17:54:53 <oilsworkn> so the opposite of what puff wants to do, haha
May 26 17:55:40 <egaudet_work> I mean unless there's a reason not to, but he's not around right now to yell at me
May 26 17:56:01 <14WAAPK4M> grrr
May 26 17:56:17 <oilsworkn> haha
May 26 17:56:35 <egaudet_work> TheInvsbleMan: you must have an incompatible patch installed
May 26 17:56:36 <14WAAPK4M> phones almost dead.  I blame oil
May 26 17:56:43 <TheInvsbleMan> Hmm ok
May 26 17:56:51 <egaudet_work> only one hunk is failing
May 26 17:56:56 * oilsworkn doesn't know who 14WAAPK4M is
May 26 17:57:07 <14WAAPK4M> halfhalo
May 26 17:57:16 <oilsworkn> ah
May 26 17:57:25 <14WAAPK4M> phone keeps dropping in and out of service
May 26 17:57:27 <bpadalino|work> parsing strings in C might be quicker, so you can just pass up the messages to the appropriate javascript call afterwards ?
May 26 17:57:40 <14WAAPK4M> and to lazy to sign in again
May 26 17:57:59 <oilsworkn> bpadalino|work: whats more or less how it works now
May 26 17:58:38 <oilsworkn> s/whats/thats/
May 26 17:58:38 <infobot> oilsworkn meant: bpadalino|work: thats more or less how it works now
May 26 17:58:52 <bpadalino|work> seems like a decent way to do it .. though the whole subscription thing seems like it doesn't need to happen anymore
May 26 17:59:12 <oilsworkn> well, certainly not the 50 subscriptions intead of 1 that puff implemented :)
May 26 17:59:42 <oilsworkn> i mean, if the plugin can call mojo functions
May 26 17:59:51 <bpadalino|work> right
May 26 17:59:54 <oilsworkn> we could have a function for each event, and let the plugin call the correct one as needed
May 26 18:00:06 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: that's staying with the subscription like model
May 26 18:00:25 <egaudet_work> which is what we need to decide first is the design
May 26 18:00:50 <14WAAPK4M>  hey! found anotherbatt!
May 26 18:00:59 <oilsworkn> i thought it was different then a subscription?
May 26 18:01:04 <egaudet_work> I guess I'm good with that, and that's probably how Puff would like it too
May 26 18:01:20 <oilsworkn> puff wants the plugin to do everything
May 26 18:01:29 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:02:09 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: it's different but the main question is, does the C code decide what IRC message came in and call the specific js function (analogous to js subscribes to different messages)  Or does the C just pass it back to one main JS irc message function (in proper json) and have that one JS decide what to do with it
May 26 18:02:51 <egaudet_work> the first method is probably quicker but the second method allows for easier expansion/support of messages
May 26 18:03:08 <oilsworkn> right
May 26 18:03:16 <14WAAPK4M> I vote 2
May 26 18:03:20 <oilsworkn> though i dont know whats the best way
May 26 18:03:32 <oilsworkn> one main event handler is how we originally did it
May 26 18:03:37 <14WAAPK4M> js is supposed to be faster for that
May 26 18:03:39 <oilsworkn> and puff made up some reason to split it into 20
May 26 18:03:52 <bpadalino|work> js is faster than c at parsing strings ?
May 26 18:03:58 <oilsworkn> i doubt that
May 26 18:04:10 <egaudet_work> easier != faster
May 26 18:04:11 <14WAAPK4M> hats what they said at dev days
May 26 18:04:33 <egaudet_work> JS is probably quicker at parsing a JSON
May 26 18:04:40 <oilsworkn> im sure js is easier (i say that now knowing a lick of c)
May 26 18:05:27 <egaudet_work> well we can code it both ways and see what's better in practice
May 26 18:05:45 <14WAAPK4M> yeah.  always an option
May 26 18:06:08 <oilsworkn> and then there is the question about how to handle the plugin object
May 26 18:06:25 <oilsworkn> in a multi-staged application
May 26 18:06:36 <oilsworkn> i dont think we will be able to allow the user to toss the main card anymore
May 26 18:06:45 <oilsworkn> since thats where the plugin will live
May 26 18:06:49 <egaudet_work> hmmm
May 26 18:07:02 <egaudet_work> plugin -> dash
May 26 18:07:11 <oilsworkn> can you load a plugin in a dash?
May 26 18:07:21 <egaudet_work> the main index.html is only used for the main card right
May 26 18:07:24 <oilsworkn> im talking the actual <object> html
May 26 18:07:31 <oilsworkn> that you then reference
May 26 18:07:45 <14WAAPK4M> plugin is needed for what again?
May 26 18:07:52 <oilsworkn> would have to be in the main scenes template
May 26 18:08:04 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn: if it were in index.html
May 26 18:08:12 <egaudet_work> would all scenes see it
May 26 18:08:21 <oilsworkn> i dont know
May 26 18:08:28 <oilsworkn> never played with plugins in webos before
May 26 18:08:39 <egaudet_work> I mean an html object in general
May 26 18:08:59 <oilsworkn> in my mind, you could only do it once
May 26 18:09:01 <oilsworkn> in one scene
May 26 18:09:05 * 14WAAPK4M is still confused as to what the plugin does
May 26 18:09:14 <oilsworkn> the plugin replaces the service
May 26 18:09:23 <egaudet_work> worse comes to worst we can just put it in the dash stage's html, or background or whatever
May 26 18:09:24 <oilsworkn> with the upside of being catalogable
May 26 18:09:49 <egaudet_work> 14WAAPK4M: plugin plugs JS into C
May 26 18:10:02 <oilsworkn> i think not allowing them to toss the main card without killing the app would be the easiest solution
May 26 18:10:07 <oilsworkn> initially
May 26 18:10:08 <14WAAPK4M> js services are catalogable are they not?
May 26 18:10:18 <egaudet_work> no such thing
May 26 18:10:31 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work has been out a while, ignore him :)
May 26 18:10:39 <egaudet_work> so there is a such thing?
May 26 18:10:40 <egaudet_work> lol
May 26 18:10:44 <14WAAPK4M> yeah
May 26 18:10:49 <oilsworkn> they talked about it at devdays
May 26 18:10:52 <oilsworkn> js services
May 26 18:10:57 <egaudet_work> yeah I gotta watch devdays
May 26 18:11:00 <14WAAPK4M> and iirc they can use low level network crap
May 26 18:11:04 <oilsworkn> they got the vids up
May 26 18:11:15 <oilsworkn> watch the keynote one i think thats where they talk about it
May 26 18:11:20 <egaudet_work> tell them to give me low level INSERT HARD KEYBOARD KEY support!
May 26 18:11:49 <oilsworkn> anyways
May 26 18:11:51 <egaudet_work> low level network crap in js?
May 26 18:11:59 <oilsworkn> so they say
May 26 18:12:00 <egaudet_work> soo technically we could js-only wirc
May 26 18:12:10 <14WAAPK4M> yup
May 26 18:12:20 <oilsworkn> if it lives up to the hype?
May 26 18:12:31 * 14WAAPK4M figured that's what you were talking bout
May 26 18:12:34 <oilsworkn> no
May 26 18:12:46 <oilsworkn> pdk/mojo hybrid is what we've been talking about
May 26 18:13:18 <14WAAPK4M> my level of being able to bs crap amazes me
May 26 18:13:22 <egaudet_work> so really what they are saying is "look we are WEB os, use C only for graphics"
May 26 18:13:39 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:13:46 <14WAAPK4M> not really
May 26 18:14:03 <14WAAPK4M> js can't do fancy crap
May 26 18:14:13 <egaudet_work> like what?
May 26 18:14:18 <oilsworkn> js is pretty dang fancyu
May 26 18:14:49 <14WAAPK4M> anything media related?
May 26 18:14:54 <14WAAPK4M> well?
May 26 18:15:05 <sugardave> HTML 5 Audio/Video
May 26 18:15:12 <oilsworkn> srsly
May 26 18:15:21 <14WAAPK4M> not js
May 26 18:15:21 <sugardave> oh
May 26 18:15:38 <egaudet_work> still don't need C
May 26 18:15:46 <14WAAPK4M> true
May 26 18:15:46 <oilsworkn> i like writing js for webos
May 26 18:15:50 <14WAAPK4M> same
May 26 18:15:57 <sugardave> it's all I know
May 26 18:16:03 <TheInvsbleMan> *wishes I knew how to code*
May 26 18:16:12 <oilsworkn> writing js/css for websites with multiple browsers is a pita
May 26 18:16:13 * sugardave waits for a PDK for Linux. :(
May 26 18:16:17 <egaudet_work> seems to becoming less and less need for C
May 26 18:16:26 * 14WAAPK4M bashes the kb and calls it code
May 26 18:16:34 <14WAAPK4M> heh
May 26 18:16:45 <oilsworkn> calls it code? or a nick?
May 26 18:16:58 <14WAAPK4M> I only have to support ie7, ff, and safari
May 26 18:17:10 <14WAAPK4M> and nick was auto set
May 26 18:17:14 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:17:26 <sugardave> TheInvsbleMan: I knew zero JS/HTML/CSS when I started with webOS....look at me now!  I'm an unsuccessful webOS dev who spends time theorizing about what might be able to be done in webOS!
May 26 18:17:34 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:17:42 <oilsworkn> js is pretty easy
May 26 18:17:43 <TheInvsbleMan> haha nice
May 26 18:17:51 <14WAAPK4M> so... like the rest og us
May 26 18:17:56 <sugardave> yeah
May 26 18:17:58 <sugardave> pretty much
May 26 18:18:11 <sugardave> except you guys are all fancy "real" programmers :P
May 26 18:18:19 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:18:23 <oilsworkn> i just muck with it till it works
May 26 18:18:26 <14WAAPK4M> riiight
May 26 18:19:00 <sugardave> seriously, I was all pumped to learn some new shit over the weekend, but no PDK and the WIDK fucks up my virtualbox, so I had to ditch that, too
May 26 18:19:04 * egaudet_work switches from 4x4 v3 to 5x5
May 26 18:19:20 <14WAAPK4M> 24% left... and 30 min of class left
May 26 18:19:23 <oilsworkn> 4x4v3 4 3v3r
May 26 18:20:11 <14WAAPK4M> which is going to run out first...
May 26 18:20:22 <14WAAPK4M> I'm voting phone
May 26 18:20:33 <TheInvsbleMan> stock battery?
May 26 18:20:39 <oilsworkn> 24% batt will last you 30 mins
May 26 18:20:50 <14WAAPK4M> 14WAAPK4M: 400mah
May 26 18:20:55 <14WAAPK4M> ...
May 26 18:21:08 <14WAAPK4M> one four zero zero
May 26 18:21:12 <TheInvsbleMan> gotcha haha
May 26 18:21:15 <14WAAPK4M> and I'm roaming using wirc...
May 26 18:21:24 <HattCzech_work> ooohhhh roaming... :)
May 26 18:21:29 <oilsworkn> and wirc
May 26 18:21:30 <TheInvsbleMan> ahh then most likely phone dies first
May 26 18:21:34 <oilsworkn> yeah, you'll still make it
May 26 18:21:41 <sugardave> heh
May 26 18:21:45 * oilsworkn has faith!
May 26 18:21:55 <14WAAPK4M> 21% and 20
May 26 18:21:59 <oilsworkn> see!
May 26 18:22:05 <oilsworkn> 3% in 10 mins
May 26 18:22:13 <TheInvsbleMan> I just realized I have 5 stock pre batteries
May 26 18:22:18 <sugardave> it's the last 20%....shit goes fast
May 26 18:22:22 <TheInvsbleMan> and my 2600
May 26 18:22:26 <14WAAPK4M> I have 2 stock
May 26 18:22:27 <sugardave> it's like a gas tank
May 26 18:22:32 <oilsworkn> last 20 is the best 20
May 26 18:22:37 <egaudet_work> brb lunch
May 26 18:22:38 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:22:38 <14WAAPK4M> one in my hand for when this dies
May 26 18:22:52 <oilsworkn> ive got 3 stock batts
May 26 18:22:55 <sugardave> can you hot swap a Pre battery?
May 26 18:22:57 <oilsworkn> and a dev pre to charge one in :)
May 26 18:22:58 <sugardave> does that work?>
May 26 18:23:02 <TheInvsbleMan> if it's plugged into the wall yes
May 26 18:23:06 <TheInvsbleMan> I just found that out this morning
May 26 18:23:09 <14WAAPK4M> dev pre at home
May 26 18:23:10 <oilsworkn> nice
May 26 18:23:11 <sugardave> neato
May 26 18:23:16 <TheInvsbleMan> but USB it won't
May 26 18:23:26 <14WAAPK4M> do have the usb charger  extra bat thing tho
May 26 18:23:27 <oilsworkn> less power
May 26 18:23:33 <TheInvsbleMan> of course
May 26 18:24:14 <14WAAPK4M> 20%
May 26 18:24:14 <TheInvsbleMan> I had to send my 2600 back to Seidio so while I am waiting to get it back I am using my stock batteries
May 26 18:24:25 <TheInvsbleMan> I was surprised when I hot swapped it and it didn't shut off haha
May 26 18:24:36 <14WAAPK4M> honestly I'm fine with stock
May 26 18:24:43 <14WAAPK4M> usually lasts me all day
May 26 18:24:48 <sugardave> same
May 26 18:25:01 <TheInvsbleMan> I use mine alot… haha
May 26 18:25:09 <TheInvsbleMan> probably too much
May 26 18:25:30 <sugardave> did they ever come out with a higher cap battery that fits in the touchstone back?
May 26 18:25:34 <14WAAPK4M> the one four just gives me a little breathing room
May 26 18:26:03 <TheInvsbleMan> I think someone modded one to work, but I don't know of any that come stock working with the touchstone
May 26 18:26:21 <oilsworkn> yeah, stock batt lasts me all day
May 26 18:26:23 <oilsworkn> thats all i really need
May 26 18:26:24 <HattCzech_work> yeah, the 1350
May 26 18:26:26 <14WAAPK4M> 1c8%
May 26 18:26:39 <TheInvsbleMan> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/218638-sucess-modded-seidio-2600-extended-battery-back-work-touchstone.html
May 26 18:26:42 <oilsworkn> and i've got spares for if i need more certain days
May 26 18:27:02 * sugardave voids less warranties than he used to.
May 26 18:27:02 <oilsworkn> like ill go to the other plant and my batt will just die
May 26 18:27:14 <oilsworkn> super low signal inside huge metal building
May 26 18:27:15 <14WAAPK4M> I just take dev pre
May 26 18:27:24 <oilsworkn> eats battery like its going out of style
May 26 18:27:25 <14WAAPK4M> thing never dies
May 26 18:27:38 <14WAAPK4M> same with my school
May 26 18:27:41 <14WAAPK4M> and home
May 26 18:27:45 <TheInvsbleMan> that happens to me at school. There is no service in any of the buildings so the stock battery would get destroyed
May 26 18:27:53 <oilsworkn> yeah
May 26 18:27:54 <14WAAPK4M> vasically, anywhere I go
May 26 18:28:03 <TheInvsbleMan> but Sprint is putting up 5 new towers in my area soon :)
May 26 18:28:07 <oilsworkn> when i go to the other plant i usually throw it into airplane mode
May 26 18:28:10 <oilsworkn> while im inside
May 26 18:28:11 <14WAAPK4M> hate....
May 26 18:28:13 <oilsworkn> as to not kill batt
May 26 18:28:31 <14WAAPK4M> bah
May 26 18:28:34 <14WAAPK4M> airplanes
May 26 18:28:56 <14WAAPK4M> randomness: I need money for ipad
May 26 18:29:08 <14WAAPK4M> getting my dad one for fathers day
May 26 18:29:21 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:29:38 <sugardave> make him wait for the webOSlate
May 26 18:29:41 <14WAAPK4M> he literally does 3 things with his mbp
May 26 18:29:45 <14WAAPK4M> email
May 26 18:29:46 <14WAAPK4M> web
May 26 18:29:50 <14WAAPK4M> gotomypc
May 26 18:29:52 <oilsworkn> my parents know nothing about computers
May 26 18:30:10 <sugardave> oilsworkn: mine know what I tell them to know
May 26 18:30:12 <oilsworkn> though i did teach my mom how to use hulu, and she uses it during her lunch at work, haha
May 26 18:30:18 <sugardave> haha
May 26 18:30:20 <14WAAPK4M> mine don't either
May 26 18:30:30 <14WAAPK4M> my dad just likes shiny shit
May 26 18:30:33 <TheInvsbleMan> I have a hard time teaching my mom to drag and drop...
May 26 18:31:07 <14WAAPK4M> hell, I can't get my mom to use one of my computers at home
May 26 18:31:26 <14WAAPK4M> she always remote desktops to her work laptop
May 26 18:31:31 <oilsworkn> my folks recently bought a laptop
May 26 18:31:36 <TheInvsbleMan> hah
May 26 18:31:43 <sugardave> my mother-in-law....don't even get me started....she thinks that she just needs to type in her gmail username and password....never mind about that whole clicking of buttons or pressing enter....it should KNOW when she's done entering her password
May 26 18:31:45 <TheInvsbleMan> my Dad is kind of a techie
May 26 18:31:45 <oilsworkn> they have started to use it while watching tv
May 26 18:32:06 <14WAAPK4M> my dad has a new mbp
May 26 18:32:20 <TheInvsbleMan> I have an '07 mbp
May 26 18:32:28 <TheInvsbleMan> My dad has some Acer pos
May 26 18:32:32 <14WAAPK4M> while my mom has an as one four one zero
May 26 18:32:37 <oilsworkn> i have a laptop i got for free out of the garbage
May 26 18:32:43 <14WAAPK4M> stupid wirc...
May 26 18:32:51 <oilsworkn> and fixed it with $30 worth of parts from ebay
May 26 18:32:52 <14WAAPK4M> I have 3 personal laptops...
May 26 18:33:00 <oilsworkn> must be nice to be rich xD
May 26 18:33:03 <14WAAPK4M> plus two desktops and a mini
May 26 18:33:28 <TheInvsbleMan> I just have my mbp and some old gaming PC I built custom that is now a half-baked hackintosh
May 26 18:33:29 <14WAAPK4M> I'm a techie.  and a  notebookreview supermod.  it's what I do
May 26 18:34:09 <14WAAPK4M> I need to get cs5  badly... but it's pricy
May 26 18:34:23 <TheInvsbleMan> yea
May 26 18:34:24 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:34:24 <14WAAPK4M> 450 for design prem
May 26 18:34:53 <TheInvsbleMan> I still use CS4 master collection
May 26 18:35:01 * oilsworkn uses 6.0 at work
May 26 18:35:03 <oilsworkn> xD
May 26 18:35:11 <14WAAPK4M> I use... nothing righr now
May 26 18:35:22 <14WAAPK4M> well, lightroom 3 b 2
May 26 18:35:24 <TheInvsbleMan> I remember 6.0… it's what I started on
May 26 18:35:33 <oilsworkn> i started in like 3.0
May 26 18:35:42 <oilsworkn> not much has changed overall
May 26 18:35:43 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:35:43 <TheInvsbleMan> airbrushing my acne out of myspace pictures in 7th grade haha
May 26 18:35:54 <14WAAPK4M> lol
May 26 18:36:00 <oilsworkn> thats a skill that cs5 wants to kill
May 26 18:36:04 <oilsworkn> with all the auto remove stuff
May 26 18:36:13 <TheInvsbleMan> I like my healing brush
May 26 18:36:22 <TheInvsbleMan> auto heal sucks
May 26 18:36:34 <oilsworkn> i remember back when all you had was the stamper and lasso tools
May 26 18:36:35 <oilsworkn> lol
May 26 18:36:39 <TheInvsbleMan> yep
May 26 18:36:47 <TheInvsbleMan> I used to just use the airbrush tool
May 26 18:36:49 <TheInvsbleMan> and match the skin color
May 26 18:37:00 <TheInvsbleMan> then came the healing tool
May 26 18:37:05 <14WAAPK4M>  cs6 has an 'increase cleavage' tool.
May 26 18:37:07 <TheInvsbleMan> and that was awesome haha
May 26 18:37:10 <TheInvsbleMan> really?
May 26 18:37:15 <TheInvsbleMan> oh wait
May 26 18:37:16 <TheInvsbleMan> nvm
May 26 18:37:20 <TheInvsbleMan> just saw CS6
May 26 18:37:21 <TheInvsbleMan> haha
May 26 18:39:05 <oilsworkn> http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/adobe-content-aware-olivia-munn-630x307.png
May 26 18:39:06 <oilsworkn> makes me lol
May 26 18:39:23 <14WAAPK4M> wo
May 26 18:39:26 <14WAAPK4M> wooo
May 26 18:39:33 <14WAAPK4M> phone made it
May 26 18:39:47 * oilsworkn knew it
May 26 18:39:51 <14WAAPK4M> now I need food
May 26 18:40:09 <14WAAPK4M> el pollo loco or panda express
May 26 18:40:20 <TheInvsbleMan> the crazy chicken?
May 26 18:40:22 <oilsworkn> neither
May 26 18:40:28 <TheInvsbleMan> I would be scared to eat there...
May 26 18:40:44 <14WAAPK4M> all that's open
May 26 18:40:48 <oilsworkn> i always want to go through panda express and ask for a panda burger
May 26 18:40:54 <TheInvsbleMan> ha
May 26 18:40:57 <14WAAPK4M> lol
May 26 18:41:35 <14WAAPK4M> pqnda it is
May 26 18:41:39 <14WAAPK4M> shorter line
May 26 18:42:34 * oilsworkn is going to go to burger ranch
May 26 18:42:45 <14WAAPK4M> wait
May 26 18:42:48 <14WAAPK4M> I lied
May 26 18:43:09 <oilsworkn> *gasp*
May 26 18:45:44 * oilsworkn leaves work for the day
May 26 18:50:36 <sugardave> panda express is alright, I've eaten there a couple of times
May 26 18:51:24 <sugardave> I need to find a good Filippino place....had some pancit the last time I was in London.  That stuff is delicious.
May 26 18:54:00 <14WAAPK4M> ok
May 26 18:54:11 <14WAAPK4M> battery swap done... using usb
May 26 18:57:58 <halfhalo_class> well then
May 26 18:58:19 <halfhalo_class> maybe phone bat swap DIDN'T work
May 26 19:00:45 <TheInvsbleMan> the hot swap didn't work for you?
May 26 19:01:00 <halfhalo_class> it did untill I unplugged the usb on accident
May 26 19:01:07 <TheInvsbleMan> ahh gotcha
May 26 20:10:52 <campey> ?
May 26 20:11:01 <halfhalo-work> !
May 26 20:11:12 <campey> yeah thats what i though
May 26 20:49:52 <beelzabub> how's it going everyone?
May 26 20:49:58 <beelzabub> haven't been active in a while
May 26 20:52:34 <halfhalo-work> tsktsktsk
May 26 20:52:43 <beelzabub> pfft - i've got to work sometimes
May 26 20:52:57 <halfhalo-work> so do I
May 26 20:53:08 <halfhalo-work> But I have hulu, so that never really happens
May 26 21:28:55 <dtzWill> so about 10 seconds after my landlord showed my apartment today, I go to open my closet and the handle comes off the door, then the door itself falls on to me
May 26 21:28:59 <dtzWill> lucky bastard haha
May 26 21:29:03 <dtzWill> and good thing I'm moving :)
May 26 21:29:11 <halfhalo-work> lol
May 26 22:19:40 <rwhitby> CorpX: please put your script on the wiki, yes.
May 26 22:24:09 <rwhitby> egaudet: re: faster vs easier for wirc - wirc is not a time-critical app, so I think easier wins the argument
May 26 22:37:16 * rwhitby bbl
May 26 23:06:48 <CorpX> yea i put it up
May 26 23:06:57 <CorpX> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Export_Text_Messages_Using_Perl
May 26 23:18:20 <CorpX> my webos quickinstall freezes anytime i hit a button
May 26 23:18:25 <CorpX> my pre is connected and in charge mode
May 26 23:19:25 <CorpX> nm firewall was blocking it
May 26 23:51:40 <jacques_pre> ~~~
May 27 00:08:08 <sk1tt1sh> If I modify files in webosdoctor*.jar will it still run?
May 27 00:09:08 <bpadalino> depends on which files you modify i suppose
May 27 00:09:40 <sk1tt1sh> in /var/luna/preferances
May 27 00:10:27 <sk1tt1sh> preferences*
May 27 00:10:50 <bpadalino> you should check out the metadoctor and how it modifies things
May 27 00:11:03 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
May 27 00:11:13 <sk1tt1sh> basically I'm asking if I can modify rootfs.tar without rebuilding it
May 27 00:15:11 <bpadalino> do you see how the metadoctor works ?
May 27 00:20:48 <sk1tt1sh> i see what it does.
May 27 00:21:00 <sk1tt1sh> it doesn't say precisely how it works...
May 27 00:21:16 <sk1tt1sh> but really it does what i want it to do lol
May 27 00:21:37 <sk1tt1sh> Ima try it without meta haha
May 27 01:01:20 * rwhitby wonders why meta-doctor amuses sk1tt1sh so much
May 27 01:01:54 <rwhitby> oil: ping
May 27 01:02:04 <oil> aye
May 27 01:04:02 <halfhalo> meta… funny word
May 27 01:13:15 <rwhitby> oil: so I'm going to add a scripting wizard to save/restore, which will allows users to add their own support for new applications that do things in normal ways, and then automatically contribute the created script back to use for inclusion in the next version
May 27 01:13:51 <rwhitby> oil: do you run Save/Restore?
May 27 01:14:50 <oil> yeah, i used it when i switched to my replacement phone
May 27 01:15:15 <oil> but i don't regularly backup the data or anything, lol
May 27 01:15:27 <rwhitby> yeah, we need to add periodic backup too
May 27 01:15:59 <rwhitby> oil: when I add a new row on the main screen, what determines what view.html it uses?
May 27 01:16:16 <oil> its a list widget
May 27 01:16:30 <oil> so the setupwidget for the list includes the rowtemplate url
May 27 01:16:56 <rwhitby> oil: cause I have save/save-scene.html, restore/restore-scene.html and list/list-scene.html, and all the html files are identical, so there must be a better way :)
May 27 01:17:08 <oil> oh
May 27 01:17:15 <oil> thats done through sources.json
May 27 01:17:23 <oil> i've never tried to change that
May 27 01:17:54 <rwhitby> sources.json seems to have the assistant.js files, not the html files
May 27 01:18:20 <oil> right, it determines the file from its name
May 27 01:18:23 <oil> idk if you can change it
May 27 01:18:48 <rwhitby> ok, I'll just add installed/installed-scene.html for the moment then
May 27 01:23:25 <rwhitby> oil: we need a preware launch param which opens preware to a specific appid pkg-view page
May 27 01:24:35 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/21
May 27 01:24:37 <oil> yeah, i know :)
May 27 01:25:06 <rwhitby> aha
May 27 01:25:49 <oil> look at my comment though :)
May 27 01:26:18 <halfhalo>  comments
May 27 01:26:20 <halfhalo> bah
May 27 01:27:12 <rwhitby> oil: ok, let me see if we can do anything in the service to get a single package
May 27 01:27:26 <oil> i know it used to
May 27 01:28:00 <rwhitby> a long long time ago when the service parsed the packages file instead of just returning it
May 27 01:28:19 <rwhitby> (i.e. before we moved the parsing into json into the app)
May 27 01:28:32 <oil> yeah
May 27 01:29:03 <oil> maybe we can just bring back that code :)
May 27 01:29:15 <rwhitby> heh - that was in Java :)
May 27 01:29:47 <oil> so, not that easy
May 27 01:29:49 <oil> haha
May 27 01:37:46 <egaudet> cars suck
May 27 01:42:02 <oil> oh?
May 27 01:44:13 <egaudet> I -think- my starter went, tomorrow I shall attempt a replacement guided by whatever I can google
May 27 01:44:25 <oil> lol
May 27 02:02:57 <rwhitby> halfhalo: ping
May 27 02:03:08 <halfhalo> yeeeeessss?
May 27 02:03:32 <rwhitby> halfhalo: no need to buy a second back - I have one coming from another source thanks.
May 27 02:03:48 <halfhalo> cool, since their all sold out here
May 27 02:20:03 <rwhitby> zsoc: can you please send the spare back to halfhalo so he can put it in the same international evelope?
May 27 02:22:52 <zsoc> rwhitby: i suppose?
May 27 02:23:50 <halfhalo> I ordered some flat rate envelopes that cost 15 to ship internationally, which is pretty damn cheap
May 27 02:24:10 <zsoc> halfhalo: do I dislike you? I can't remember
May 27 02:24:17 <halfhalo> Meh, probly
May 27 02:24:21 <halfhalo> Most people do
May 27 02:24:22 <halfhalo> :p
May 27 02:24:36 <zsoc> halfhalo: ok, i'll throw some dead spiders in there with it
May 27 02:24:53 <rwhitby> as long as they don't stain the touchstone back ...
May 27 02:24:59 <halfhalo> Oh, goody goody@
May 27 02:25:00 <halfhalo> !
May 27 02:29:05 <rwhitby> oil: so my idea is when the user clicks on the installed app list row for an app which is not yet supported, then they enter a scripting wizard
May 27 02:30:11 <rwhitby> the wizard has a set of functions (database, cookies, files, etc) for the most common save/restore script types.  they get to test each one, and they tick the ones that return some sensible data.  then they tell the service to create a script with the selected functions and email it to a submission address.
May 27 02:30:32 <Spyral> rwhitby: have you noticed the updated icon for Save/Restore?
May 27 02:31:29 <rwhitby> Spyral: no, I hadn't
May 27 02:32:27 <Spyral> I tweaked it a little more. I notice you've been updating the app, I just didn't know if you had noticed.
May 27 02:32:36 <rwhitby> I'll include it
May 27 02:32:45 <rwhitby> (in 0.7.7 or later)
May 27 02:32:59 <Spyral> lol. Whenever. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't forgotten
May 27 02:33:47 <rwhitby> Spyral: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=commit;h=9abc4b5c11309556325b3623f4660d104e28aa59
May 27 02:35:34 <Spyral> oh. well... hey. I didn't even know that existed
May 27 02:35:49 <Spyral> my apologies
May 27 02:37:47 <rwhitby> no need to apologise, I only just updated it after you mentioned it :)
May 27 02:38:39 <Spyral> oh. I thought the timestamp said 3 days ago?
May 27 02:39:28 <rwhitby> hmm - my VM's clock is way off
May 27 02:39:44 <rwhitby> and not configured very well for git
May 27 02:40:42 <Spyral> I always knew Australia and the States shared a different time zone, but wow..
May 27 02:45:53 <halfhalo> its more like Rod time is off, but hey, it makes it interesting!
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