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May 27 04:16:49 <yokken> evening #webos-internals
May 27 06:53:28 <swisstomcat> morning
May 27 06:55:48 <yokken> lol hi swisstomcat
May 27 06:55:51 <yokken> YOU AGAIN
May 27 06:56:03 <yokken> anyone here know anything about writing a patch
May 27 06:56:10 <yokken> it's a simple one
May 27 06:56:16 <swisstomcat> hi yokken
May 27 06:56:43 <yokken> i just want it to basically be a greasemonkey script; anytime you go on x website (x is defined) it takes a URL and changes it to view a movie
May 27 06:57:01 <yokken> as in x.com/movie/name is the html
May 27 06:57:11 <yokken> but x.com/movies/name/movie.mp4 is the actual video location
May 27 06:57:17 <yokken> and yes, the first one is not plural
May 27 06:57:24 <yokken> how would i do this
May 27 06:57:37 <swisstomcat> i have never written a patch
May 27 06:57:55 <yokken> on the html page, a button/thumbnail is supposed to show, but it only works on iphone/ipad/ipod touch like it was written for
May 27 08:57:35 <thalunil> anyone from precentral around?
May 27 08:57:50 <thalunil> i am wondering when the dev-approval is coming in
May 27 08:58:38 <swisstomcat> it takes a while
May 27 08:59:04 <swisstomcat> give them a few days
May 27 08:59:09 <thalunil> alright, so waiting for several days is the default
May 27 08:59:11 <thalunil> yay
May 27 10:24:38 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 27 10:57:19 <thalunil> how large is the LunaSysMgr process, here it takes as much as 64MB of RAM
May 27 10:57:45 <thalunil> this is huge! and java is also quite large. this pixi plus has only 200MB and uses a swap file on flash?!
May 27 10:59:23 <swisstomcat> java uses a lot of memory
May 27 10:59:33 <swisstomcat> but the java runtime will go away in the future
May 27 10:59:53 <thalunil> well, java is 1/3 of the LunaSysMgr
May 27 11:00:17 <thalunil> what is it used for? i just killed it and cant seem any difference.
May 27 11:00:29 <thalunil> actually, what is java used on the webos platform, to be precise
May 27 11:02:21 <swisstomcat> the jvm is used for various background services
May 27 11:02:28 <swisstomcat> telephony,messaging,email
May 27 11:03:06 <swisstomcat> can you still make a phone call?
May 27 11:03:09 <thalunil> trying
May 27 11:04:36 <thalunil> got restarted...
May 27 11:05:11 <swisstomcat> if you open the phone app, its background service will restart
May 27 12:51:25 <TheInvsbleMan> Any good books/websites anyone can recommend to learn how to code for webOS? I have barely any coding knowledge, I understand some of the logic but have no experience with actual coding other than basic html.
May 27 12:55:34 <en0x> get a javascript tutorial or something
May 27 12:58:31 <TheInvsbleMan> ok, sounds good
May 27 12:58:45 <TheInvsbleMan> will that also help me understand pdk and everything?
May 27 13:00:42 <en0x> pdk is c or c++
May 27 13:01:52 <swisstomcat> there is the standard book for webos development by mitch allen
May 27 13:02:04 <swisstomcat> and there's a new book with lots of examples and projects by frank zametti
May 27 13:02:19 <TheInvsbleMan> which would you recommend for a beginner?
May 27 13:02:51 <swisstomcat> webos beginner or general beginner?
May 27 13:03:19 <TheInvsbleMan> Other than understanding some of the logic behind coding I have no experience
May 27 13:03:30 <TheInvsbleMan> I know some very basic html but that's about it
May 27 13:03:39 <swisstomcat> no html/css/javascript?
May 27 13:03:56 <TheInvsbleMan> I have no experience with that
May 27 13:04:07 <TheInvsbleMan> I have never really done coding but I am interested in giving it a shot
May 27 13:04:33 <swisstomcat> the second book has better examples imho
May 27 13:04:52 <TheInvsbleMan> ok
May 27 13:04:54 <TheInvsbleMan> thanks
May 27 13:04:56 <swisstomcat> but the learning curve might be a bit high if you need to get up to speed on html/css/javascript
May 27 13:05:33 <TheInvsbleMan> any websites you can recommend, possibly free? To get started with html/css/javascript?
May 27 13:05:54 <TheInvsbleMan> I know basic html, but nothing too advanced
May 27 13:06:40 <swisstomcat> there should be plenty of those
May 27 13:06:48 <TheInvsbleMan> ok cool
May 27 13:06:54 <TheInvsbleMan> I'll google it
May 27 13:27:25 <HattCzech_work> morning
May 27 13:27:38 <swisstomcat> morning
May 27 13:32:14 <Ephreet> Good morning, all.
May 27 13:32:29 <HattCzech_work> morning
May 27 13:32:40 <thalunil> swisstomcat, so how much is your LunaSysMgr?
May 27 13:32:52 <HattCzech_work> rwhitby: you still around?
May 27 13:33:01 <Ephreet> I request assistance with my Pre Plus.  It is powering off
May 27 13:33:05 <swisstomcat> where do you check, thjalunil?
May 27 13:33:14 <thalunil> swisstomcat, ssh into webos, "top"
May 27 13:33:18 <swisstomcat> hi ephreet: elaborate
May 27 13:34:00 <Ephreet> My issue seems to occur rather frequently when I haven't used the phone for a while and I pull it off my belt clip and slide it open before powering it on
May 27 13:34:09 <Ephreet> I then press the power button once and it doesn't come on
May 27 13:34:24 <Ephreet> I then hold the power button for two seconds and the phone "boots up"
May 27 13:34:29 <Ephreet> This is not a luna restart
May 27 13:34:35 <Ephreet> it is a full phone power on
May 27 13:34:38 <thalunil> probably only the Luna UI
May 27 13:34:40 <thalunil> oh
May 27 13:34:42 <en0x> battery issue?
May 27 13:34:47 <thalunil> checked the uptime after restarting?
May 27 13:34:50 <Ephreet> no, 80% battery
May 27 13:34:58 <en0x> seems like loose battery
May 27 13:34:59 <swisstomcat> are you sure it's not a luna restart?
May 27 13:35:04 <Ephreet> was what it was at yesterday when it happened
May 27 13:35:14 <TheInvsbleMan> loose battery in a Pre Plus? I thought they fixed the hardware issue
May 27 13:35:18 <Ephreet> Yes I have a theme that changes the splash screen
May 27 13:35:26 <Ephreet> but I get the palm logo first
May 27 13:36:05 <TheInvsbleMan> could be defective
May 27 13:36:30 <en0x> theme should not restart the whole phone
May 27 13:36:37 <en0x> it should just restart luna
May 27 13:36:42 <Ephreet> I know it's not the theme
May 27 13:36:43 <en0x> he is talking about full restarts
May 27 13:36:48 <Ephreet> I was having this issue before the theme
May 27 13:37:08 <en0x> i'm betting on battery issue
May 27 13:37:13 <TheInvsbleMan> Have you had the issue since you got the phone or has it been recent?
May 27 13:38:27 <Ephreet> Relatively recent
May 27 13:38:36 <Ephreet> I should probably give more information
May 27 13:39:04 <Ephreet> I am running the latest version of Uber kernel and Govnah
May 27 13:39:09 <Ephreet> but
May 27 13:39:16 <Ephreet> I am not using it's abilities
May 27 13:39:25 <Ephreet> it is set at stock 500MHz all the time
May 27 13:39:41 <TheInvsbleMan> did you have the issue before you installed unber kernel and govnah?
May 27 13:39:48 <TheInvsbleMan> über*
May 27 13:39:59 <Ephreet> I removed them both and noticed that the restarting only occured once and it was a luna restart
May 27 13:40:12 <Ephreet> This has been going on for several weeks
May 27 13:40:30 <Ephreet> I have tried many things before bringing it to you guys
May 27 13:41:06 <Ephreet> The last two times I have noticed that it occurs when I slide the phone open without it on
May 27 13:41:15 <Ephreet> Before that I wasn't paying attention
May 27 13:41:24 <TheInvsbleMan> could be a loose battery
May 27 13:41:35 <TheInvsbleMan> I haven't heard of that on the Pre plus though
May 27 13:41:36 <Ephreet> that thing is crammed in there
May 27 13:41:46 <en0x> stick a piece of paper between battery and plastic
May 27 13:41:49 <Ephreet> it's hard as crap to get it out
May 27 13:42:00 <TheInvsbleMan> yeah, try what en0x said
May 27 13:42:00 <en0x> doctor it
May 27 13:42:01 <en0x> :p
May 27 13:42:05 <Ephreet> it doesn't jostle at all
May 27 13:42:09 <Ephreet> Already did that
May 27 13:42:14 <en0x> oO
May 27 13:42:20 <TheInvsbleMan> even if it doesn't jostle… it may still be loose
May 27 13:42:28 <en0x> yap
May 27 13:42:33 <Ephreet> taking the back off now
May 27 13:42:35 <en0x> like i said put a piece of paper
May 27 13:42:43 <TheInvsbleMan> http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution
May 27 13:42:45 <TheInvsbleMan> try that
May 27 13:42:55 <TheInvsbleMan> if it doesn't work it's most likely a defective phone
May 27 13:43:05 <en0x> when u do that
May 27 13:43:12 <en0x> try to slide ur phone few times
May 27 13:44:04 <TheInvsbleMan> I remember that issue, bah. Drove me nuts on my launch Pre
May 27 13:44:31 <en0x> no shit sherlock ;)
May 27 13:44:33 <Ephreet> I had to do it hard but it did happen
May 27 13:44:35 <en0x> i had same thing
May 27 13:44:58 <TheInvsbleMan> is the paper thick enough to really jam it in place?
May 27 13:45:12 <Ephreet> putting paper between it, will that keep my touchstone from charging?
May 27 13:45:18 <TheInvsbleMan> no
May 27 13:45:42 <TheInvsbleMan> although if you have to put paper in it to keep it from crashing your carrier will most likely replace it for you
May 27 13:45:50 <Ephreet> is that what these two little piece of shit pieces of plastic are for?
May 27 13:45:53 <Ephreet> one of them fell out
May 27 13:45:59 <en0x> oh
May 27 13:46:03 <en0x> loose battery then
May 27 13:46:17 <en0x> go to where u got it and tell them to give u new battery
May 27 13:46:24 <TheInvsbleMan> pieces of plastic?
May 27 13:46:34 <en0x> i know what he talks about
May 27 13:46:39 <TheInvsbleMan> Hmm ok then
May 27 13:46:48 <Ephreet> they are very small
May 27 13:46:51 <Ephreet> hard plastic
May 27 13:46:56 <Ephreet> with adhesive on the back of them
May 27 13:47:12 <en0x> http://assets2.precentral.net/store_images/product_images/accessories/large/5627.jpg i think he is talking about those two pieces
May 27 13:47:22 <Ephreet> about 6mm wide by 3mm tall
May 27 13:47:37 <Ephreet> no I am nopt
May 27 13:47:40 <Ephreet> not*
May 27 13:47:45 <TheInvsbleMan> gotcha
May 27 13:48:02 <Ephreet> they look like some sort of "fix" to make this not happen
May 27 13:48:10 <TheInvsbleMan> triangular?
May 27 13:48:13 <Ephreet> but the adhesive came out
May 27 13:48:17 <Ephreet> rectangle
May 27 13:48:25 <TheInvsbleMan> they were above the battery?
May 27 13:48:25 <Ephreet> very thin
May 27 13:48:31 <Ephreet> and stuck to the phone itself
May 27 13:48:34 <TheInvsbleMan> yep
May 27 13:48:38 <TheInvsbleMan> that's what those were for
May 27 13:48:49 <TheInvsbleMan> I remember those on one of my Pre phones
May 27 13:49:00 <TheInvsbleMan> ummm it's odd that those are on a Pre Plus though
May 27 13:49:19 <en0x> i dont know what u talking about
May 27 13:49:20 <en0x> ;]
May 27 13:49:30 <TheInvsbleMan> If you get a thick enough piece of paper in there it will fix it, but you should be able to get it replaced from your carrier if you want
May 27 13:50:27 <Ephreet> no thanks, the keyboard doesn't suck on this one, I'm not risking getting one that has a shitty keyboard
May 27 13:50:33 <TheInvsbleMan> http://palmgoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/battery-pad.jpg
May 27 13:50:34 <TheInvsbleMan> that
May 27 13:50:39 <TheInvsbleMan> right?
May 27 13:50:57 <Ephreet> yes but mine had two
May 27 13:50:58 <TheInvsbleMan> or something similar to it?
May 27 13:51:00 <TheInvsbleMan> ok
May 27 13:51:01 <Ephreet> one on the left and right
May 27 13:51:06 <TheInvsbleMan> yes those are there to fix the battery issue
May 27 13:51:06 <en0x> i never had this one
May 27 13:51:13 <TheInvsbleMan> a thick piece of paper will fix it
May 27 13:51:14 <en0x> and i don't have it on my replaced pre
May 27 13:51:26 <TheInvsbleMan> they were only there for a short time
May 27 13:51:32 <TheInvsbleMan> Palm has since fixed it without those
May 27 13:51:42 <TheInvsbleMan> I had it on one of my replacements
May 27 13:51:46 <en0x> u mean the chinese fixed it? :>
May 27 13:51:53 <TheInvsbleMan> haha well yeah
May 27 13:51:59 <en0x> [;
May 27 13:52:13 <TheInvsbleMan> Ephreet, a thick piece of paper or two will do the trick for ya
May 27 13:52:31 <en0x> definitely
May 27 13:53:00 <en0x> i used a notebook cover
May 27 13:53:04 <en0x> [;
May 27 13:53:17 <TheInvsbleMan> nice I just used a folded up post it
May 27 13:53:48 <Ephreet> I have some rubber stuff I can use
May 27 13:54:01 <TheInvsbleMan> I'll be back later guys gotta go do some stuff
May 27 13:54:42 <en0x> heh my day at work sucks today
May 27 13:55:32 <Ephreet> thanks for the help guys
May 27 13:55:36 <Ephreet> we'll see how that does
May 27 13:55:53 <Ephreet> Catch you guys later
May 27 14:00:42 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 27 14:09:08 <Ephreet> One more quick thing
May 27 14:09:21 <Ephreet> I'm getting SSL Certificate Errors on multiple accounts
May 27 14:09:32 <Ephreet> Stating that my certificates have expired
May 27 14:09:40 <en0x> so it probably did
May 27 14:09:43 <Ephreet> one is for Gmail and the other is for my corporate email
May 27 14:10:08 <Ephreet> Since I am the Network Admin of my company, I know for a fact that my corporate email server's SSL didn't expire
May 27 14:10:14 <Ephreet> And I doubt GMail's did....
May 27 14:10:29 <en0x> i never had this problem
May 27 14:10:30 <en0x> idk
May 27 14:14:49 <Ephreet> I know why
May 27 14:14:57 <nt4cats> Why?
May 27 14:15:10 <Ephreet> my time is wrong on my phone after the power cycle it hasn't gotten the time cause I don't have cell service
May 27 14:15:33 <Ephreet> It thinks it's Feb 20th
May 27 14:16:04 <en0x> of what year?
May 27 14:16:05 <en0x> :P
May 27 14:16:20 <nt4cats> Ephreet: if you see Hugo, Locke, and Walt you have bigger problems than not having cell service ...
May 27 14:17:11 <Ephreet> Doubt I'll see Walt
May 27 14:17:19 <Ephreet> Locke's dead
May 27 14:17:27 <Ephreet> Oh wait
May 27 14:17:31 <Ephreet> riiiiggghhht
May 27 14:17:35 <Ephreet> Hugo sees dead people
May 27 14:17:37 <Ephreet> Gotcha
May 27 14:17:51 <nt4cats> Many people see dead people on the island :)
May 27 14:18:07 <thalunil> can anycheck the memory consumption of the LunaSysMgr process on his phone, mine is taking up 72MB of RAM and i find it quite much
May 27 14:18:12 <Ephreet> well, only Hugo "sees" dead people
May 27 14:18:22 <Ephreet> Little chinese guy hears em
May 27 14:18:39 <Ephreet> walked outside and got cell service
May 27 14:18:45 <Ephreet> SSL errors went away
May 27 14:19:23 <Ephreet> Okay, goin' back to work again.  Thanks again, guys.
May 27 14:20:34 <nt4cats> thalunil: you can always restart Luna on your phone and then check ... I would assume it's at its smallest after a restart (note the use of the word 'assume')
May 27 15:01:53 <thalunil> insane, after restarting the phone: RAM is full, 20MB of swap in use
May 27 15:02:21 <sk1tt1sh> i've been seeing that problem too
May 27 15:02:30 <sk1tt1sh> are you on 1.4.1.1?
May 27 15:03:45 <thalunil> http://pastebin.com/GiV2j6wB (top output)
May 27 15:04:02 <thalunil> i am using 1.4.1
May 27 15:04:28 <sk1tt1sh> 204792k total,    17748k used,   187044k free,
May 27 15:04:43 <sk1tt1sh> you're not maxed
May 27 15:04:58 <sk1tt1sh> do you have anything running app wise on startup?
May 27 15:05:23 <sk1tt1sh> How about push email setup?
May 27 15:05:35 <thalunil> no, i used to have the IM (jabber) but then i discovered its ALWAYS ON and the LibPurpleAdapter is a huge beast - so i killed it
May 27 15:05:44 <thalunil> email retrieval every 30min
May 27 15:05:48 <sk1tt1sh> ok
May 27 15:06:26 <thalunil> well, i am wondering if the LunaSysMgr is just as it is with this huge mem footprint
May 27 15:06:30 <sk1tt1sh> i was having a problem with push email. I've programmed my phone to another carrier and lost web cuz I was messing with it and email kept trying to retrieve when I started up and it was hosing it up
May 27 15:06:35 <thalunil> and this java thing - no comment
May 27 15:06:39 <sk1tt1sh> luna is a beast
May 27 15:06:49 <thalunil> yeah yeah
May 27 15:06:59 <sk1tt1sh> do me a favor
May 27 15:07:14 <thalunil> so fiddling around with mem optimisations, and waiting for a handset with adequate amount of ram to run linux and friends
May 27 15:07:18 <sk1tt1sh> open preware and hit the little option in top left and goto luna sys mgr and restart it
May 27 15:07:24 <thalunil> will do
May 27 15:07:33 <sk1tt1sh> then paste up a psx agian
May 27 15:23:19 <thalunil> 3MB lower
May 27 15:23:22 <thalunil> not that much
May 27 15:34:18 <sk1tt1sh> hrm not sure man still learning myself :(
May 27 15:44:48 <sk1tt1sh> anyone good at photoshop cs5?
May 27 15:45:16 <Marajin> sk1tt1sh: there's no such thing as someone good at Photoshop CS5!
May 27 15:45:31 <sk1tt1sh> lol
May 27 15:45:36 <Marajin> it's true
May 27 15:45:43 <sk1tt1sh> I just need to put an image on top of another image
May 27 15:45:51 <Marajin> Photoshop CS5 skills are like girls on the internet, a myth
May 27 15:46:04 <sk1tt1sh> theres no obvious "insert image" per layer? wtf lol
May 27 15:46:06 <sk1tt1sh> haha nice
May 27 15:46:32 <sk1tt1sh> like i have 2 layers how the fuck do i add an image to second layer
May 27 15:50:24 <sk1tt1sh> grrrrrrrrrr
May 27 15:57:55 <sk1tt1sh> hahaha "place" lord have mercy
May 27 16:51:34 <halfhalo_pre> wirc sucks!
May 27 16:51:39 <halfhalo_pre> but I love it!
May 27 16:52:55 <oilsworkn> halfhalo_pre sucks!
May 27 16:53:01 <oilsworkn> and i don't love it!
May 27 16:53:22 <halfhalo_pre> I can live with that
May 27 16:53:47 * oilsworkn uses wirc to take over halfhalo_pre's pre
May 27 16:53:57 <halfhalo_pre> go for it
May 27 16:54:11 <oilsworkn> lol
May 27 16:54:14 * halfhalo_pre send oil beefjerky as a consolation prize
May 27 16:55:45 <halfhalo_pre> it's decent beefjerky as well
May 27 16:56:17 <halfhalo_pre> little pricy, but still
May 27 16:57:32 * halfhalo_pre has preware on his pre again
May 27 17:02:16 <halfhalo_pre> what do ze colors mean in ze wirc?  ze be new to me
May 27 17:03:02 <oilsworkn> look at prefs
May 27 17:03:12 <oilsworkn> whatever puffs crazy defaults are
May 27 17:03:15 <oilsworkn> :)
May 27 17:03:29 <halfhalo_pre> oooo
May 27 17:03:34 <halfhalo_pre> lag meter
May 27 17:03:53 <halfhalo_pre> and... preware is just sitting there with a spinner
May 27 17:03:58 <oilsworkn> yeah, that will eat your battery like beef jerky
May 27 17:04:05 <halfhalo_pre> saying success
May 27 17:04:15 <halfhalo_pre> I'm on wifi
May 27 17:04:17 <oilsworkn> (the lag meter that is)
May 27 17:04:18 <oilsworkn> haha
May 27 17:04:20 <oilsworkn> success!
May 27 17:04:21 <oilsworkn> yay
May 27 17:04:31 <halfhalo_pre> it couldn't be worse than yesterdays
May 27 17:05:08 <halfhalo_pre> still spinning...
May 27 17:05:29 <oilsworkn> yay
May 27 17:05:43 <halfhalo_pre> god, what type of crap program is this
May 27 17:05:45 <halfhalo_pre> :p
May 27 17:06:03 * halfhalo_pre hopes everyone knows he is kidding
May 27 17:06:23 * oilsworkn doesn't know that
May 27 17:08:40 <halfhalo_pre> meh
May 27 17:09:07 <halfhalo_pre> holycrap slowdown
May 27 17:10:22 <halfhalo_pre> that also just ate my battery
May 27 17:12:45 <oilsworkn> thats what the lag meter does
May 27 17:12:46 <swisstomcat> evening
May 27 17:12:55 <oilsworkn> i should rename it "battery killer" in the prefs
May 27 17:12:55 <halfhalo_pre> ola
May 27 17:13:23 <halfhalo_pre> no, it was preware installing vkb zat locked up the phone
May 27 17:13:36 * oilsworkn blames patches
May 27 17:14:10 <halfhalo_pre> what patches?
May 27 17:14:14 <oilsworkn> its raining so hard outside
May 27 17:14:21 <oilsworkn> the office is starting to leak
May 27 17:14:26 <halfhalo_pre> ha
May 27 17:55:21 <sk4jc> hello everyone
May 27 17:55:35 <swisstomcat> hello
May 27 17:55:53 <en0x> olleh
May 27 17:56:03 <sk4jc> I want to extract my sqlite3 db from my app but cant find it on my phone
May 27 17:56:10 <sk4jc> any ideas on how i can do this?
May 27 17:57:03 <HattCzech_work> find / -name *.db3
May 27 17:57:20 <HattCzech_work> should list the ones you have on there
May 27 17:57:44 <sk4jc> from terminal?
May 27 17:58:24 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 27 17:59:21 <en0x> it should be in /var/palm/database... i guess
May 27 18:03:35 <sk4jc> there is no /var/palm/database
May 27 18:04:04 <sk4jc> there is a /var/palm/data but all the sub dirs are palm applications
May 27 18:13:40 <en0x> so it looks like u got a problem ;P
May 27 18:17:58 <MetaView> huston?
May 27 18:18:56 <sk4jc> i was hoping to make sure my app is save/restore compatible
May 27 18:20:38 <oilsworkn> i dont see why it wouldn't be
May 27 18:21:45 <MetaView> hi
May 27 18:21:49 <sk4jc> Doesn't is need the database location?
May 27 18:22:11 <MetaView> no
May 27 18:22:24 <oilsworkn> they're all in the same spot
May 27 18:22:33 <oilsworkn> there is default scripts for all the normal stuff
May 27 18:22:45 <oilsworkn> it just depends on what you use
May 27 18:22:46 <MetaView> for a normal app it's very easy to support save/restore
May 27 18:22:50 <oilsworkn> cookies, html5db, etc
May 27 18:23:21 <MetaView> btw: am I readable now?
May 27 18:23:51 <oilsworkn> readable?
May 27 18:23:56 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.drnull.drpodder;h=8b8fa9d82688f0973f48001efa76dc6a49f582b1;hb=HEAD
May 27 18:24:01 <oilsworkn> is a basic script for drpodder
May 27 18:24:11 <oilsworkn> its really that smiple< haha
May 27 18:24:13 <MetaView> wall, thx, wasn't sure if nickserv recognized me
May 27 18:24:29 <oilsworkn> i dont think #webos-internals cares
May 27 18:24:36 <oilsworkn> (but i could be wrong)
May 27 18:24:58 <MetaView> have you seen me saying huston?
May 27 18:25:02 <ka6sox> MetaView, doesn't seem to mater.
May 27 18:25:04 <MetaView> 7 minutes ago?
May 27 18:25:13 <ka6sox> I did...but I was working.
May 27 18:25:14 <ka6sox> :D
May 27 18:25:17 <oilsworkn> [11:17] <MetaView> huston?
May 27 18:25:29 <MetaView> ok, thx, then #webos-internals doesn't care :D
May 27 18:25:44 <ka6sox> for PMs it does care.
May 27 18:33:35 <swisstomcat> huston sounds like husten :)
May 27 18:33:46 <swisstomcat> houston: we have a problem :)
May 27 18:36:14 <MetaView> swisstomcat: well,... :)
May 27 19:08:30 <mobgod> im trying to install preware for a friend using WOQI and i'm getting errors
May 27 19:08:43 <mobgod> told me to run ipkg update
May 27 19:11:38 <mobgod> anyone know what i can do?
May 27 19:18:15 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 27 19:18:25 <swisstomcat> woqi 3.12?
May 27 19:18:26 <mobgod> sup swisstomcat
May 27 19:18:33 <mobgod> checking now
May 27 19:18:34 <swisstomcat> and what point do you get the error?
May 27 19:18:51 <mobgod> one sec
May 27 19:21:34 <mobgod> swisstomcat ?
May 27 19:21:46 <mobgod> where do you see 3.12?
May 27 19:21:51 <swisstomcat> help?
May 27 19:22:08 <swisstomcat> about?
May 27 19:25:38 <sk1tt1sh> put ya hands up! put ya hands up! put ya hands up for *insert home city name*!!
May 27 19:25:52 * halfhalo_class slaps sk1tt1sh!
May 27 19:26:07 <halfhalo_class> We don't need any of that newfangled music hre boy!
May 27 19:27:08 <sk1tt1sh> but 2 turntables and a microphone, is where it's at!
May 27 19:27:22 * halfhalo_class grabs his emergency hatchett
May 27 19:27:26 <sk1tt1sh> well... badboybill has 4 turntables
May 27 19:27:34 <sk1tt1sh> and 2 microphones.
May 27 19:27:41 <sk1tt1sh> lol
May 27 19:28:36 <sk1tt1sh> you juggalo people...
May 27 19:28:39 <sk1tt1sh> lol
May 27 19:29:00 <mobgod> swisstomcat when i try to install keeps telling me to run ipkg update
May 27 19:29:11 <mobgod> and i have 3.12
May 27 19:29:53 <swisstomcat> post the steps you're doing please
May 27 19:31:12 <mobgod> enable dev mode i goto WOQI and download preware but it will not install
May 27 19:31:46 <sk1tt1sh> terminal ftw
May 27 19:31:52 <sk1tt1sh> cd /tmp
May 27 19:32:20 <mobgod> sk1tt1sh talking to me
May 27 19:32:22 <sk1tt1sh> wget http://bit.ly/preware
May 27 19:32:37 <sk1tt1sh> why
May 27 19:34:03 <mobgod> sk1tt1sh i cant use terminal because the plugin wont install either
May 27 19:34:13 <swisstomcat> use novacom ... host os?
May 27 19:35:18 <sk1tt1sh> use the novaproxy script. thats how i got around this problem.
May 27 19:35:54 <mobgod> sk1tt1sh where can that be founbd
May 27 19:35:57 <mobgod> found*
May 27 19:38:23 <swisstomcat> got a command line now?
May 27 19:39:55 <mobgod> boss is here bbl
May 27 19:48:39 <jeffgus> =p-0y76r45e31`
May 27 19:48:50 <mikewx> login: administrator
May 27 19:49:02 <mikewx> :-)
May 27 20:02:52 <sk1tt1sh> When mobgod comes back http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/blob/master/novaproxy.py
May 27 20:03:14 <sk1tt1sh> requires python and putty. Dev mode must be on if memory serves.
May 27 20:03:38 <sk1tt1sh> this will allow you to get and sh preware-bootstrap.sh
May 27 20:03:46 <swisstomcat> interesting
May 27 20:04:30 <swisstomcat> heh .. palm's magic is decafbad :)
May 27 20:05:55 <Marajin> error at 0xDEFEC8ED ?
May 27 20:06:50 <mikewx> heh ours used to be FEEDBEEF
May 27 20:06:57 <swisstomcat> cool
May 27 20:09:48 <MetaView> deadbeef
May 27 20:11:52 <sk1tt1sh> lol you guys never seen that shit?
May 27 20:14:58 <MetaView> I always use 0xdeadbeef if I need a magic 32bit value and just 0xdead for tcp ports when I write a client/server app
May 27 20:20:39 <nowashburn> wow, i just read about preware and installed it. a whole new world of palm pre! thanks!!!!
May 27 20:21:07 <swisstomcat> yup, preware is cool
May 27 20:59:36 <HattCzech_work> anyone using the app catalog download count patch?
May 27 20:59:57 <HattCzech_work> and if so, does anyone know where that number comes from?
May 27 21:00:26 <swisstomcat> probably from the portal that shows downloads too
May 27 21:02:30 <HattCzech_work> i'm just wondering if it's all downloads (including updates)...
May 27 21:02:57 <HattCzech_work> or if it counts if you delete and download again
May 27 23:10:43 <rwhitby> Does anyone know of a tear-down for the Pixi?  I'm wondering if it uses the same comms board as the Pre.
May 27 23:10:54 <rwhitby> (I'm doubting it, but want to check for sure)
May 27 23:11:14 <HattCzech_work> i'm not aware of one, but i haven't looked lately
May 27 23:11:59 <Megatherium> Afraid not.
May 27 23:12:38 <HattCzech_work> i have a friend selling a pixi... want me to tear it apart? :)
May 27 23:12:51 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: yep
May 27 23:13:20 <rwhitby> Megatherium: negative on the tear-down, or negative on the comms boards being the same?
May 27 23:13:33 <HattCzech_work> i'll see what i can do
May 27 23:13:37 <Megatherium> rwhitby: The tear-down.
May 27 23:14:07 <Megatherium> The Pixi was a nice idea marred by an inexplicable lack of Wi-Fi.
May 27 23:17:12 <rwhitby> pixi plus has wifi though, and I've got one on the way from Germany via US to Australia
May 27 23:18:25 <HattCzech_work> whoa... why not just straight from germany?
May 27 23:18:58 <Megatherium> rwhitby: That it does, but I don't feel like signing up for a contract. Whereas I can get a used original Pixi and sign up for monthly service without lock-in. (US telecoms are pretty much evil, you see.)
May 27 23:19:04 <rwhitby> has to be activated in the US to get access to an app catalog that will accept a www.simon.com virtual gift card.
May 27 23:19:34 <HattCzech_work> ahhh gotcha
May 27 23:19:55 <rwhitby> Megatherium: yeah, I always use unlocked GSM phones here in Australia, and don't get me started on how US consumers have let the carriers be their overlords in return for subsidies.
May 27 23:20:59 <Megatherium> Yeah. I either buy phones unlocked or used and then either unlock them or sign up for a monthly plan with their bundled carrier (if the default carrier has a good deal).
May 27 23:21:01 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: I haven't yet found a virtual debit card in .eu that matches the www.simon.com card
May 27 23:26:02 <swisstomcat> i've heard of virtual credit cards for europe
May 27 23:26:10 <swisstomcat> wire-cards .. something
May 27 23:26:43 <rwhitby> yeah, but none of them that I've seen allow for person A to buy a card for Person B, and Person B to put in an address that is different from Person A.
May 27 23:27:04 <rwhitby> some don't have an associated address (and therefore fail the app catalog)
May 27 23:27:48 <rwhitby> I've not seen a success report on PreCentral from someone in a non-eu country using an eu virtual card to access the eu app catalog.
May 27 23:28:13 <rwhitby> whereas I know that it works well for the www.simon.com gift account and US app catalog.
May 27 23:30:05 <swisstomcat> i've seen reports
May 27 23:30:18 <swisstomcat> because it only seems to matter that it's an german card
May 27 23:30:26 <swisstomcat> the user even put in his italian address
May 27 23:30:35 <swisstomcat> it was a german virtual card
May 27 23:32:49 <rwhitby> Oh, I'd be interested in that
May 27 23:34:07 <HattCzech_work> what would be an acceptable length for a device id? (based on the nduid)
May 27 23:35:13 * rwhitby bbl
May 27 23:35:56 <swisstomcat> g'night 1:30am
May 27 23:36:18 <HattCzech_work> night
May 28 00:54:49 <sk1tt1sh> WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PHOTOSHIT CS5?! omg. This is ridiculous. I used red for a text color. opened another picture, tried to use red for the text color, and it will only use fucking white or gray. jesus fucking christ
May 28 00:55:25 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: FYI, we prefer to keep the language in this channel PG13
May 28 00:56:14 <sk1tt1sh> sorry
May 28 00:56:29 <sk1tt1sh> Won't happen again :)
May 28 00:56:31 <rwhitby> and I didn't realise photoshop was running on webOS these day ;)
May 28 00:57:34 <sk1tt1sh> trying to port it over *cough*
May 28 00:59:18 <zsoc> sk1tt1sh: 1.) i'm willing to guarantee your problem is pebkac, 2.) gimp is better imo
May 28 00:59:34 <halfhalo> awww snap!
May 28 00:59:53 <rwhitby> So, can anyone confirm Save/Restore 0.7.6 from the testing feed is working?
May 28 01:08:31 <sk1tt1sh> haha thanks zsoc. been a long day
May 28 01:08:55 <zsoc> sk1tt1sh: i've worked 24 hours in the last 40.
May 28 01:09:06 <zsoc> i'm only able to burn you because i just caught my second wind
May 28 01:09:16 <zsoc> i can't promise i will be so snappy in the future
May 28 01:09:26 <halfhalo> I have pizza coming
May 28 01:09:27 <halfhalo> I win
May 28 01:10:04 <zsoc> halfhalo: you have more coming than pizza
May 28 01:10:15 <halfhalo> Oh, oh, a bomb?!?
May 28 01:10:19 <halfhalo> For me?!?
May 28 01:10:21 <halfhalo> YAY
May 28 01:17:02 <questionsguy> So I know that people commonly use webos doctor to fix pre's that are broken but if the pre has been running sluggish, is doctoring a recommended route to get the pre back to its fresh out of box speed?
May 28 01:18:08 <zsoc> you shouldn't have to doctor to fix things
May 28 01:18:10 <zsoc> it's not windows
May 28 01:18:16 <zsoc> unless you broke things by tinkering
May 28 01:18:18 <sk1tt1sh> lol
May 28 01:18:46 <bpadalino> i haven't ever doctored my phone
May 28 01:18:54 <halfhalo> I have no phone
May 28 01:18:57 <halfhalo> there is no spoon
May 28 01:18:59 <zsoc> i metadoctored my dev phone
May 28 01:19:01 <zsoc> :>
May 28 01:19:28 <bpadalino> you should donate to those webos internals guys if you like metadoctor ;)
May 28 01:19:36 <halfhalo> Bah
May 28 01:19:52 <halfhalo> They use the donations for [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]
May 28 01:19:53 <rwhitby> a full erase and doctor will fix anything :)
May 28 01:21:11 <questionsguy> is there a way to figure out what apps are running services poorly in the background and causing everything to be sluggish and prevent that in the future?
May 28 01:21:46 <bpadalino> top
May 28 01:25:44 <questionsguy> Yeah I have JSTOP but it doesn't really show anything running other than standard system apps. The reason I ask is my Dad just sent in his phone for repairs and when they sent him a refurb, it was running as fast on the 500 MHz kernel as my pre runs on the 800
May 28 01:26:41 <zsoc> pre on 800 should run fast no matter what is going on, generall
May 28 01:26:42 <mumbles> has anyone got the mmessaging plugins working?
May 28 01:26:57 <mumbles> on a pre?
May 28 01:27:35 <questionsguy> which is why I was considering doctoring my phone if something got kludged in a patch
May 28 02:02:30 <oc80z> oh werd
May 28 02:02:35 <oc80z> you can upload directly to photo bucket
May 28 02:03:33 <oc80z> from phoots
May 28 02:09:25 <LarrySteeze> 'ello!
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