**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 29 02:59:57 2010 May 29 03:28:56 hi everyone May 29 03:31:47 yo May 29 03:34:37 what's up May 29 06:23:36 oh noes, teh cdm May 29 06:27:06 uggh - can't believe i'm still at work May 29 06:27:20 yeah, I shouldn't be on irc. May 29 06:27:25 beelzabub, ugh...I know that feeling May 29 06:27:58 beelzabub: keep working those physics man May 29 06:28:02 bah May 29 06:28:05 that comes later May 29 06:28:18 i'm trying to integrate the two pieces May 29 06:28:21 i'm almost there May 29 06:28:25 :) May 29 06:29:07 how do i hide my machine name on irc? May 29 06:29:14 it's far to easy to figure out my real name :) May 29 06:29:46 beelzabub, you can "buy" a cloak...talk to somebody in #freenode. May 29 06:30:13 you end up with a cloak that says pdpc.supporter without your name. May 29 06:30:19 beelzabub: you need PhysX May 29 06:30:46 or use tor. May 29 06:31:31 dammit - i just managed to break huge parts of it May 29 06:31:44 & i was too lazy to commit into git the working one May 29 06:31:48 git commit -a is hard May 29 06:31:59 if only you used sane source control May 29 06:33:00 i'm a git May 29 06:33:27 clearly this is the issue May 29 06:36:18 * rwhitby welcomes everyone to #palm-internals ;) May 29 06:36:23 :) May 29 06:36:28 hahaha May 29 06:36:43 #hp-internals May 29 06:36:49 hpalm May 29 06:37:50 lucky you weren't bought by facebook -> #facepalm May 29 06:40:53 the only bad thing about the ide i use is that it occasionally crashes because i'm using the beta May 29 06:59:05 brb May 29 06:59:11 i've come to the conclusion that the most maintainable code is horribly complex & unreadable May 29 06:59:28 proof: if it's horribly convoluted & complex, no one will touch it May 29 06:59:35 thus, it needs no maintainence May 29 06:59:36 QED May 29 07:33:02 success May 29 07:33:05 git commit -a this tiome May 29 07:36:43 morning May 29 07:49:56 hey swisstomcat May 29 07:50:04 hey rwhitby May 29 07:50:26 swisstomcat: working on sticky govnah at the moment May 29 07:51:16 sticky between reboots? May 29 07:54:23 sticky after a clean shutdown, but not after an OTA update May 29 07:56:08 very good May 29 07:56:24 is there interest in a localized version of govnah? May 29 07:56:32 sure May 29 07:58:49 i'll give it a shot then May 29 07:59:08 i hope oil? used $L :) May 29 07:59:34 nah, that's for the translation folks to do ;) May 29 07:59:50 * oil_pre always forgets May 29 08:23:25 should doit the same as in preware, without mltiple view files May 29 08:43:38 bbl May 29 11:28:22 mornin' chickens (or evenin' if that's what it is in your part of the world) May 29 13:00:07 hi May 29 13:01:54 someone use a palm pre plus under ubuntu ? May 29 13:55:29 snoogie_: I connect a Pre to Linux all the time, what's up? May 29 13:59:09 hey thanks to answer May 29 13:59:22 well in fact it seems that my box didn't my palm pre plus :( May 29 13:59:33 snoogie_: what exactly is not working? May 29 13:59:54 Well, I have same pb under windows it seems May 29 14:00:08 under windows : no driver were found when I plug my Palm May 29 14:00:26 under linux : when I try to launch novacom / novaterm I got : "Error not found" May 29 14:00:34 my PPP is in debug mode May 29 14:00:36 20090606 May 29 14:00:42 webos20090606 May 29 14:00:57 but under both OS I still have found a way to access it May 29 14:00:58 :( May 29 14:01:04 I want to develop native C++ app May 29 14:01:13 wanting to port a gb emulator May 29 14:01:24 but the harder is to connect and install ipk :( May 29 14:01:52 i have install sdk+pdk under windows May 29 14:01:55 I can launch emu May 29 14:02:04 but my palm isn't reconize :( May 29 14:02:11 snoogie_: can you connect your Pre via USB to your linux box and then use pastebin to show me the contents of /proc/bus/usb/devices May 29 14:02:18 under linux sdk works fine, but same pb now way to access device May 29 14:02:33 nt4cats, np May 29 14:02:37 lsusb see it May 29 14:02:38 but second May 29 14:03:22 lsusb give : Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0830:8003 Palm, Inc. May 29 14:03:33 but I haven't /proc/bus/usb/ folder May 29 14:03:49 input or pci only May 29 14:03:49 snoogie_: okay, hold on ... I'm uploading a script for you May 29 14:03:54 tx May 29 14:05:23 snoogie_: download http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/check_devmode.sh May 29 14:05:41 it inspects your /sys/bus/* filesystem, it doesn't change anything May 29 14:05:58 you are welcome/encouraged to look at the script source before executing it May 29 14:07:27 currently reading it :) May 29 14:07:41 In //, is it so complex to install an ipk ? May 29 14:07:59 it is very easy to install an ipk May 29 14:08:40 hu ... Found webOS device with usbnet enabled. Cannot detect developer mode. May 29 14:09:15 snoogie_: do you have tethering or mobile hotspot enabled on your phone? May 29 14:09:28 I don't know ... sorry got my palm pre yesterday :( May 29 14:09:36 yesterday I activated it, then unsimlocked it May 29 14:09:48 and trying to launch a stupid c++ helloworld on it May 29 14:09:53 but it seems I miss many things :( May 29 14:10:05 how check that ? May 29 14:10:59 Let's double-check the basics (please be patient with me0 May 29 14:11:07 (with me too :) ) May 29 14:11:35 isn't the pre's backlight supposed to adjust based on the lighting conditions? May 29 14:11:38 go back to the main "home" screen and type (no quotes) "webos20090606" -- the developer mode icon should appear when you do that May 29 14:11:48 right May 29 14:11:50 I am on it May 29 14:12:36 and when you click on that icon the slider on the top right says "on"? May 29 14:12:47 yes May 29 14:13:16 okay. is your Pre plugged in to your PC via USB now? May 29 14:13:20 yes May 29 14:13:55 VincentLaw: I've never noticed it auto-adjusting .... May 29 14:14:16 VincentLaw, Yeah as I can see, there isn't any auto-adjust mode for backlight May 29 14:14:25 VincentLaw, I search for it too ... but nope May 29 14:15:02 snoogie_: I need to reboot my Pre to put it in developer mode ... hold on a sec May 29 14:15:16 k np May 29 14:16:01 it is a device very long to boot :) May 29 14:16:27 just disable / re-enable dev mode to be sure so booting too :) May 29 14:16:56 snoogie_: I don't know the exact percentage breakdown, but I think about 10% of that boot time is Linux itself, and 90% is the Luna UI May 29 14:16:59 there is something strange when I plug it, the plam didn't ask me anymore if I want to use "Hard disk mode" or "Charge only" anymore May 29 14:17:02 (maybe it is 80/20) May 29 14:17:15 snoogie_: that could be the problem, then. May 29 14:17:17 oh May 29 14:17:25 I think I need to r May 29 14:17:30 soft reset my palm May 29 14:17:42 because unsimlocking probably broke my usb driver May 29 14:18:31 if someone knows how ... soft reset it :) May 29 14:19:17 Ok when I am in developer mode : on May 29 14:19:30 snoogie_: have you pulled the battery since you unsimlocked it? May 29 14:19:32 I have this message : Turn Developer mode on to turn on Developer service for developper May 29 14:19:39 humm ... no :) May 29 14:19:47 loool May 29 14:19:52 doing it right now May 29 14:21:29 ok battery removed, wait 5 s, then palm boot May 29 14:21:35 I hope my dev mode will work May 29 14:21:40 it seem to be the pb May 29 14:23:35 snoogie_: When rwhitby drinks a beer he forgets more about the Pre than the total of what I know -- you should listen to him May 29 14:25:39 ok removing batt didn't seems to fix pb May 29 14:26:11 snoogie_: please post a screenshot of the developer mode app when you have developer mode on May 29 14:27:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/9/92/Enable_developer_mode_step2.png May 29 14:27:46 I have exactly this ... May 29 14:27:52 so it's off :) right ? May 29 14:28:25 no, it is on when the screen shows that May 29 14:28:35 hum May 29 14:29:11 it maybe why it didn't ask me if I want to choose betwen power supply or hard disk mode May 29 14:29:13 when I plug usb May 29 14:29:31 can you connect when the screen is the same as that screenshot? May 29 14:29:37 nope :( May 29 14:29:57 have you ever been able to connect to this device using novacom from your host computer? May 29 14:30:04 well May 29 14:30:10 not using standard driver May 29 14:30:28 I bought a unsimlocking solution May 29 14:30:37 NG_multi_unlock if you know it May 29 14:30:45 I do not May 29 14:30:48 and with driver deliver with, I can connect May 29 14:31:06 but with SDK/PDK drivers I cannot May 29 14:31:25 I'm guessing it has screwed up the drivers on your host computer. May 29 14:31:36 well I did that on another computer at work May 29 14:31:44 at home (here) I have a win desktop and lin laptop May 29 14:31:47 nothing work :( May 29 14:32:12 and you have followed the instructions on developer.palm.com to install the SDK and connect to the device? May 29 14:32:18 yes May 29 14:32:24 but when I plug my palm under windows May 29 14:32:28 it ask me for driver May 29 14:32:39 and if I supply novacom folder it told me : no device found May 29 14:33:22 if you can't get the official Palm SDK to work on an officially supported platform, then you should seek advice in the official Palm developer forums. May 29 14:33:38 k I ll try before a soft reset May 29 14:34:03 are you able to connect with the webOS Doctor in recovery mode? May 29 14:34:48 haven't try May 29 14:35:02 still cannot understand exactly what is webos doctor ... May 29 14:36:01 have you read the official Palm documentation for the webOS Doctor? May 29 14:36:54 nope May 29 14:36:59 I ll May 29 14:42:13 rwhitby: I've got the .iso down to 508 MB ... going to see if i can cut some more today May 29 14:42:52 sweet. I've got sticky govnah settings working :) May 29 14:45:14 ouch is I used webos doctor for my phone, It ll be simlocked again it seems May 29 14:47:03 s/is/if May 29 14:49:51 you got screwed on the unsimlocking then May 29 14:50:05 cause you *will* need to doctor your phone eventually May 29 14:51:05 k but I cannot get a webos for an unsimlocked device ? May 29 15:00:17 you can get an unlocked device from germany May 29 15:00:56 if you use some third-party solution for unsimlocking, you will need to ask for support from them. May 29 15:16:08 who's ready for alpha testing govnah sticky settings? May 29 15:17:12 I might be willing, my pre is now a secondary device May 29 15:17:18 In some regards, tierary May 29 15:17:34 If I destroyed it I have additional devices that can cover it May 29 15:17:49 And all data on it is synced wirelessly from google/exchange May 29 15:18:38 Of course I haven't been following close, I assume govnah is to do with CPU speed governing and it's to do with OCing the pre with sticking settings, yes? May 29 15:18:51 yes May 29 15:19:17 What kinda OC are we looking at? 800mhz max? May 29 15:32:53 you may want to familiarise yourself with UberKernel and Govnah before participating in alpha testing May 29 15:59:39 HI! May 29 16:01:41 hey lingfish May 29 16:01:50 Heya Rod, how's stuff May 29 16:01:51 ? May 29 16:02:05 lingfish: Govnah 0.4.0 in the testing feed with sticky settings on a clean reboot. May 29 16:02:37 Yep, reason why I've just appeared here actually ;) May 29 16:02:47 I would have liked that option before earlier today... May 29 16:03:03 I would have like $1M before earlier today too ... May 29 16:03:10 Was running ondemand, had left the phone on its own for a few hours... had mail and FB up... May 29 16:03:20 Discovered it hung, and running pretty damned hot :( May 29 16:03:34 Had to do a batt pull... has happened about 3 times in the last few weeks May 29 16:03:45 ondemand does too many CPU wakeups for my liking May 29 16:04:23 Agreed.. I was using conservative, but just couldn't get it to ramp up quick enough when I actually needed it o May 29 16:04:31 Happy to take setting suggestions ;) May 29 16:04:47 I also note Unix still hasn't nailed the screenstate issue :/ May 29 16:06:01 Will I find all I need re settings on the wiki for conservative, or can you shed light? May 29 16:06:08 OK, time for sleep for me. I'll see how many people can break Govnah 0.4.0 overnight. May 29 16:06:12 (oh and 0.4.0 already installed :) May 29 16:06:33 I just use screenstate. May 29 16:06:57 Yeah... see I'm a big fan of hitting power to sleep it due to the utterly shitty batt life... May 29 16:07:05 and if you do that... the CPU stays locked :/ May 29 16:07:39 And while that bug isn't nailed, I'm not keen to find out my Pre has been sitting there at 800 for 4 hours straight (MTBF and all that) May 29 16:08:15 HP just need to send me a mail saying "new awesome spec coming out later this year" and I'll happily abuse the crap out of my existing ;) May 29 16:08:41 lingfish: screenstate has no problems here May 29 16:09:11 Well, try for yourself.. run it... hit power, wait 10 seconds, wake it back up... you'll see the graph doesn't drop. May 29 16:09:26 I've also done some cats of the CPU speeds via ssh and done the above... May 29 16:11:01 If you don't see that behaviour, I wanna know your secret ;) May 29 16:13:07 And now I'm curious.. do you see my behavior or no? May 29 16:23:33 yeah.. bed for me too. May 29 16:37:23 * uNiXpSyChO wishes people will try the lastest test kernel before stating screenstate doesnt work. May 29 16:38:12 hhahaha May 29 16:38:18 :/ May 29 16:38:18 soz. May 29 16:38:26 I had msg'd you asking about testing.. May 29 16:38:54 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/243675-compcache-kernel-experimental.html May 29 16:39:33 The latest patch is upstream to UberKernel. i just have to fix the whitespace. May 29 16:40:33 Ta... I'll have to get a clue on manually installing ipk's vs just using Preware. May 29 16:40:45 use WOSQI May 29 16:41:02 Yeah, I knew that much... but what, just go over my installed Uber? May 29 16:41:06 Or uninstall that first/ May 29 16:41:32 Ah, just read I have to uninstall May 29 16:41:51 uninstall that 1st...although i run both installed at the same time... just have to be careful of which you uninstall 1st. not recommended. May 29 16:42:56 Hrm, I won't run both, so easy enough right? Uninstall Uber, WOSQI install this, party hard? May 29 16:43:24 easy stuff. May 29 16:43:34 But I leave Gov on of course? May 29 16:43:48 yep, Govnah is cool May 29 16:43:59 And just set screenstate mode in that? May 29 16:44:18 with the test kernel there is no other option May 29 16:45:49 k, I shall throw it on now, at 3am :/ May 29 16:46:30 wow. up a little late? ;-) May 29 16:46:58 * uNiXpSyChO recovering gamertag for new Xbox 360 Elite... May 29 16:47:00 heh, yeah... I was buried in Eclipse/PHP stuff (love it sooooo much, but STILL don't get how to merely sync to a remote samba mount) May 29 16:49:36 lingfish if you have command-line access it is VERY easy to manually install .ipks May 29 16:49:52 nt4cats: yeah, I know... I'm just lazy at times, heh. May 29 16:50:00 rebooting now after the Uber uninstall May 29 16:50:25 lingfish: understood ;) May 29 16:54:13 ooo May 29 16:54:20 error from WOSQI May 29 16:54:23 value 4 May 29 16:55:21 Cannot find package com.unixpsycho.kernle May 29 16:55:31 is this during install? May 29 16:56:56 yup, as soon as I hit Install! May 29 16:57:20 Just unplugged, replugged as "charge only", working now May 29 16:57:29 ok May 29 16:57:40 odd, didn't like USB mode? May 29 16:58:32 ok, done, rebewting May 29 17:00:55 ... and while it does. got a Bold 9700 from work a few weeks ago... if it weren't for the Pre, I reckon that'd be my phone (after many many sad years with Nokia). God I would KILL for the batt life of it on the Pre. May 29 17:01:20 Battery on the Pre is p0rn0graph1c May 29 17:01:43 And by that you mean, utterly shit? May 29 17:01:44 :) May 29 17:01:55 hehe :-) May 29 17:02:04 ok, just hit power button.. gov is running May 29 17:02:07 fingers crossed. May 29 17:02:28 oh JOY! I see a gradual dip in teh_graphz! May 29 17:02:47 How did you get to be so pwnage, psycho :) May 29 17:02:56 1 pwn n00bs May 29 17:02:58 ;-) May 29 17:03:07 Ewe pwnz k3rnallz May 29 17:03:11 HAHAHAHAHHA May 29 17:03:23 Awesome... that has be so hot in the pants. May 29 17:03:26 Nice work mate :) May 29 17:03:33 Port at least that over to Preware now ;) May 29 17:04:03 try this version out and report to the thread of any problems. this codebase is in the next UberKernel build. May 29 17:04:11 rad. May 29 17:04:19 I see some Vegas akshun too, nice nice May 29 17:04:23 * lingfish websurfs May 29 17:04:43 yeah. i might switch to Westwood... not sure yet. May 29 17:05:18 Perhaps a toggleable option? Last I knew, Vegas at least was a proc entry, or even per-socket or per-route May 29 17:05:19 I would suggest Westwood, what does the stock kernel use, CUBIC? May 29 17:05:53 yeah, stock uses Cubic... not sure why Palm chose that. May 29 17:06:01 Swewet jesus this Pre is a rocket now.. it DOES seem quicker than Uber Preware version at 800 May 29 17:07:09 They probably just didn't bother to change the default May 29 17:07:42 Bigger issues than TCP tuning I dare say ;) May 29 17:08:08 Yeah, I can't imagine it makes too much of a noticeable difference May 29 17:08:11 it's still possible to doctor the phone for no-cell usage right? like if I cancel service and use it wifi only? May 29 17:10:06 VincentLaw: I believe that this is how certain non-US webOS users were able to do development before the GSM (unlocked) Pre was available. Please note the use of the word "believe" instead of "authoritatively certify" May 29 17:14:05 ah May 29 17:14:18 cause I'm switching phones but I'd like to keep the Pre working for development May 29 17:15:19 werd! May 29 17:15:27 heh. May 29 17:16:30 If anyone's interested, I wrote a blog post a while back about choosing a congestion control algorithm for a wireless device (a wifi router, but should be similarly applicable to smartphones) http://is.gd/cuzin May 29 17:18:02 nice. May 29 17:20:45 ok, bed for me. May 29 17:21:22 Nice work Unix! Night. May 29 17:21:26 l8r May 29 17:21:48 morning uNiXpSyChO May 29 17:21:55 afternoon May 29 17:22:55 thats the problem with kernel guys...they only live in RT :D May 29 17:25:10 been trying to backport 2.6.34 features... epic FAILing May 29 17:25:37 10 versions...not a surprise. May 29 17:25:58 then i tried to port just to Pre drivers to 2.6.34... gigantic FAIL May 29 17:26:22 which subsystems? May 29 17:26:42 like almost all of them... May 29 17:27:09 i failed since mainline doesnt seem to have Sirlion board def May 29 17:27:32 too many hardcoded bits in Palm code that isnt in 2.6.34 yet May 29 17:27:48 arch/asm/omap3430-sirloin.h :D May 29 17:27:52 FTW! :D May 29 17:28:00 no way May 29 17:28:05 did i miss that May 29 17:28:05 j/k May 29 17:28:44 I'd just move that in. May 29 17:31:20 not sure that will work... tired to arch/arm/omap3pe May 29 17:31:41 /arch/arm/mach-omap3pe/board-sirloin-3430.c May 29 17:31:58 s/tired/tied/g May 29 17:31:59 uNiXpSyChO meant: not sure that will work... tied to arch/arm/omap3pe May 29 17:32:25 is it the pe extension that isn't in .34? May 29 17:33:26 .34 doesnt have an omap3 directory May 29 17:33:30 okay let me get to my tree. May 29 17:34:25 * uNiXpSyChO throws in some Slipknot May 29 17:40:59 they are going to need a new bassist. May 29 17:41:29 yeah May 29 17:44:19 weird .. omap2 has omap3 and omap4 stuff in it in the latest 2.6 tree May 29 17:44:41 yep May 29 17:57:21 is the latest uber 1.4.1-21 ? May 29 18:25:18 wow, i never realized there was a git grep .. kinda neat May 29 18:27:31 uNiXpSyChO: It's a pretty massive effort to move the pre kernel forward. May 29 18:28:02 uNiXpSyChO: Took our guys a couple of weeks. May 29 18:28:09 it sure is. May 29 18:28:30 and i dont have 2 complete free weeks to port a kernel :-) May 29 18:28:45 yeah, it's also not worth doing since we will eventually drop one anyways. May 29 18:28:59 unless you are interested in learning May 29 18:29:02 etc, etc May 29 18:29:54 i was experimenting... after getting into it - it was more of a pain. May 29 18:30:56 good to know it'll get an update at some point in the near future May 29 18:31:34 i also hope palm supports the pre for 2 years for software updates .. not sure if that'll end up happening tho :( May 29 19:59:42 welcome back rwhitby nt4cats ! May 29 19:59:46 I finally found the pb :D May 29 19:59:57 USB Passthrought was enable during unsimlocking May 29 20:00:05 I disable it, everything works fine now May 29 20:00:24 I use your script (nt4cats) to debug May 29 20:00:25 thanks May 29 20:17:57 infobot: check_devmode is http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/check_devmode.sh May 29 20:17:58 nt4cats: okay May 29 20:24:38 nt4cats: how goes your live cd? May 29 20:24:44 nt4cats: oh, and has your team scored yet? May 29 21:43:30 hey May 29 21:44:11 icant download or find the preware app can you help? May 29 21:45:47 looney_: did you follow the instructions? May 29 21:46:47 looney_: http://install.preware.org May 29 21:49:20 yes i did but it says error dowloading package feed May 29 21:55:11 i followed th instructions step by step and i still cant find it...it says that it cant connect to the package feed May 29 22:10:32 so, who's running Govnah 0.4.0 with sticky profiles? May 29 22:14:16 rwhitby: is it in public feeds? May 29 22:14:26 nope, testing. May 29 22:14:38 ~testing-feeds May 29 22:15:22 ~testing-feed May 29 22:15:23 testing-feed is, like, a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds May 29 22:15:42 there we go May 29 22:16:17 oil: ping May 29 22:30:03 Anyone have a clue why Preware wont upload the packages from Precentral-themes? May 29 22:31:57 i don't think preware uploads packages? May 29 22:32:21 ok.... well i mean download sorry May 29 22:32:30 well download, or load? May 29 22:32:40 like do you get a 404 downloading or an error loading? May 29 22:33:08 It says PreCentral only has 92 themes and the last time it updated was a week ago May 29 22:35:36 Abyssul: 'update feeds'? May 29 22:35:45 i have multiple times May 29 22:35:49 and restarted the phone May 29 22:39:43 anyone know how to remove exchange security policy? May 29 22:40:07 i resigned from my work and don't want them to remove EVERYTHING. i already removed the EAS account May 29 22:52:45 there's identifying/credential information in policy? May 29 22:53:14 i dont know May 29 23:03:26 testing 0.4.0 Govnah May 29 23:18:04 0.4.0 sticky profiles are NICE. May 29 23:33:24 rwhitby: ? May 29 23:38:37 I'm getting a failure installing the messaging patches with a patch rejetion failure May 29 23:38:59 how do I restore it to the original file without having to fully doctor the device ? May 29 23:45:49 is there a problem with downloading one of the repositories today ? May 29 23:46:15 bhuey, which one? May 29 23:46:29 let me rerun preware again May 29 23:46:34 I've kind of hosed my pre May 29 23:46:54 the one containing patch descriptions May 29 23:47:35 * ka6sox needs path name so that he can look @ the server May 29 23:48:01 I need to rerun it again May 29 23:49:12 feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/Packages.gz May 29 23:49:36 it's complaining about wget returning with a '1' for an error May 29 23:50:47 looking May 29 23:51:29 ka6sox: what do you recommend for recovering a damaged application from a bad installatin of a package ? May 29 23:51:49 I had probelms upgrading the messaging plugin and it's hosed my device it seems May 29 23:52:11 got a 2 chunk patch rejection/reverse detections May 29 23:53:07 bhuey, dunno about your pre problem with the install. May 29 23:53:20 yeah, retrying to get it back to a prestine state May 29 23:53:26 re: Packages.gz it seems fine to me. May 29 23:54:54 bhuey, the feed works for me. May 29 23:55:07 maybe I'm running out of storage ? May 29 23:56:16 bhuey, mebbe...there isn't anything wrong with the feed that I can tell. May 29 23:57:25 bhuey, that feed works perfectly on my pre too. May 29 23:58:47 well, the my device might have gotten f-ed up May 29 23:59:25 getting back into a normal state is going to be a bitch then May 29 23:59:34 don't know how to actually do that May 29 23:59:44 other than running the emergeny patch recovery stuff May 30 00:02:01 bhuey, I do infra around here...so if the server has problems I'm your man...but patches isn't my thing. May 30 00:02:55 yeah, this is a crappy situation May 30 00:23:53 bhuey, if you think that the patch is broken then you need to feed that back up the foodchain. May 30 00:24:05 otherwise others may suffer the same fate. May 30 00:24:47 just did an emergency recovery of the patches May 30 00:24:56 and I posted my complaints to the thread May 30 00:33:57 bhuey, thanks...thats helpful. May 30 00:53:14 uNiXpSyChO: ka6sox whats this 2.0 talk? May 30 01:37:36 * ka6sox loves how rumors start. May 30 01:38:07 * uNiXpSyChO loves starting rumors **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 30 02:59:56 2010