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May 30 03:07:51 <PreGame> which app does the EAS device wipe?
May 30 03:25:22 <shelob101> i've been able to set up a bt network connection between my pre and macbook pro.  anyone have any pointers on an ad hoc wifi network between them?
May 30 03:26:15 <rwhitby> shelob101: have you documented how you set up the bt connection on the wiki?
May 30 03:26:51 <shelob101> I can't get my pre to see or connect to the mac's wifi, regardless of encryption settings, even open.
May 30 03:27:21 <shelob101> rwhitbv: no but I'd be happy to.  it wasn't bad
May 30 03:27:41 <rwhitby> shelob101: please do.  I would appreciate it, since I can probably use that myself.
May 30 03:27:59 <shelob101> is there an appropriate place for that?
May 30 03:29:13 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Network_Connection
May 30 03:29:52 <shelob101> tx!  I'll write that up
May 30 03:29:56 <rwhitby> shelob101: for a wifi connection, I set up internet connection sharing on the mac, and have the Pre connect to that.  of course that requires some other internet connection on the mac other than wifi
May 30 03:30:46 <rwhitby> but usually I just give my devices DHCP on the lan and access them via openssh that way
May 30 03:31:10 <shelob101> ok tx.  I was looking to do it the other way... :-)
May 30 03:34:48 <rwhitby> shelob101: oh, in that case look at freetether maybe.  since I pay so much for GSM 3G data, I've never looked into that direction much :)
May 30 03:36:26 <shelob101> freetether kk.  I'd heard about my tether but things seem dicey with that lately...
May 30 03:42:50 <rwhitby> shelob101: well, freetether is open source.  mytether is closed and proprietary.
May 30 04:30:05 <rwhitby> ok, looking for input on the default set of Profiles in Govnah.  I currently have "Palm Default", "Screenstate 500/800" and "Performance 500/800"
May 30 04:37:59 <ka6sox> rwhitby, Conservative 250/800
May 30 04:49:21 <rwhitby> ka6sox: conservative 250/800 default settings hangs my dev sprint Pre
May 30 04:49:32 <rwhitby> hard enough to require a battery pull
May 30 04:53:26 <ka6sox> wow...thats surprising.
May 30 04:53:35 <ka6sox> okay :(
May 30 05:58:41 <oc80z> whats good.
May 30 06:41:18 <mynamesalex> hello, can anyone point me to the carrier string?  I'm in the root of WebOS and prefer to do my own patches.
May 30 06:43:58 <mynamesalex> never mind i found some documentation here
May 30 06:45:17 * oil was about to say "/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js"
May 30 06:46:07 <mynamesalex> yeah i got that, im just looking for what line it is now
May 30 09:17:58 <Gollyzila> To all webos-internals devs....Have you guys thought of using streamable links that would open to an app, patch, or theme in Preware? Just like Palm's web distribution method?
May 30 09:23:33 <Gollyzila> Well I hope you guys read my suggestion in the logs. I'm hoping at least rwhitby will read this.
May 30 09:24:04 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: yes, we have thought of it
May 30 09:24:20 <Gollyzila> Cool!
May 30 09:24:31 <rwhitby> but currently there is no way to do it
May 30 09:25:27 <Gollyzila> Maybe later in the life of WebOS Palm will be kind enough to share how to with the homebrew community.
May 30 09:26:02 <rwhitby> I think it's more likely that we will just find out how ourselves.
May 30 09:26:11 <Gollyzila> Hehe
May 30 09:26:31 <bhuey> I'm having problems trying to install a patch against the messaging app
May 30 09:26:54 <bhuey> I uninstalled all patches using the emergency patch recovery patch
May 30 09:27:16 <bhuey> but their are significant differences from a 'diff' against the actually sprint 1.4.1.1 sources
May 30 09:27:39 <bhuey> I generated another diff against that to reverse the changes, applied that now
May 30 09:28:18 <bhuey> was there something that I wasn't suppose to do here or was this the right thing to do ?
May 30 09:29:04 <Gollyzila> I've wanted widgets (ala android) on webOS since I can remember. Now I know widgets for webos aren't being developed, but can something actually be placed on the homescreen besides a wallpaper? Has anybody been able to run something in the WebOS GUI that can't without the assistance of hacking?
May 30 09:31:02 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: the WebOS GUI is controlled by the proprietary closed source LunaSysMgr executable.  Don't hold your breath for anything being able to anything more than display something in a card, a dashboard, or change a wallpaper.
May 30 09:33:22 <Gollyzila> So if LunaSysMgr can be cracked open and successfully modified, the possibility of widgets is far greater?
May 30 09:41:27 <ka6sox> until the next OTA upgrade.
May 30 10:16:25 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: a proprietary binary cannot be cracked open and successfully modified for different functionality
May 30 13:28:13 <xauser> test
May 30 13:29:42 <xauser> does someone read
May 30 14:57:58 <Karotte_exe> hey :)
May 30 14:58:11 <Karotte_exe> i have a little question
May 30 14:58:29 <ka6sox> only if its little, I"ve only had 1 cup of coffee.
May 30 14:58:51 <Karotte_exe> when im downloading files in the e-mail app, where will they be stored?
May 30 14:58:58 <Karotte_exe> ^^
May 30 14:59:13 <ka6sox> thats a question best asked in #webos
May 30 14:59:27 <Karotte_exe> -.-
May 30 14:59:30 <Karotte_exe> kk
May 30 14:59:37 <Karotte_exe> but do you know it?
May 30 14:59:50 <ka6sox> nope, I"ve never used it.
May 30 15:00:00 <Karotte_exe> kk
May 30 15:00:05 <Karotte_exe> bb
May 30 15:16:05 <Gollyzila> rwhitby: then how has the iphone scene been able to run widgets on their lockscreen and homescreens?........Oh you know what, it's winterboad. Winterboard allows html and javascript (i believe) to be run on the lock/home screens. Could something like Winterboard be ported or created for WebOS?
May 30 15:31:17 <rick-home> The lockscreen IMAGES and stuff can be changed.  The lockscreen FUNCTIONALITY is built into the binary that isn't really modifiable.  LunaSysMgr is --closed--
May 30 15:38:30 <playya> but we're working on a real GNU/Linux for the Pre :)
May 30 15:53:16 <Gollyzila|comp> playya: Isn't webos already built on top of linux?
May 30 15:53:27 <playya> yes
May 30 15:54:11 <playya> but we want a completely free distribution, where you can just use regular [io]pkg
May 30 16:09:32 <Gollyzila|comp> playya: just like on a desktop computer?
May 30 16:10:11 <playya> hmm. no. real distri for mobile phones
May 30 16:10:15 <Gollyzila|comp> Does anyone know if sconix, developer of Mode Switcher, is here? I know he goes by a different name in IRC
May 30 16:12:06 <Gollyzila|comp> playya: do you have a link to an example of one? i'm not really understanding this. Are you saying that you guys will build a graphical version of linux just for webos?
May 30 16:13:25 <playya> no webos
May 30 16:13:43 <playya> this is a picture of the demo image: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/palmpre-zhone2.jpg
May 30 16:15:25 <Gollyzila|comp> woah
May 30 16:15:48 <Gollyzila|comp> How is development going for this?
May 30 16:16:08 <playya> atm only one person is really working on it
May 30 16:16:20 <Gollyzila|comp> who?
May 30 16:16:38 <playya> but we should have  a working plugin for th modem and can do calls, sms, phonebook
May 30 16:16:43 <playya> morphis
May 30 16:16:56 <playya> i continue to work on it tomorrow
May 30 16:17:09 <playya> and afaik we have a working tslib plugin
May 30 16:18:46 <Gollyzila|comp> meaning touchscreen input?
May 30 16:18:52 <playya> yes
May 30 16:19:00 <Yoppo> Gollyzila|comp: yep I am here (sconix)
May 30 16:22:28 <Gollyzila|comp> Yoppo: So i just noticed the wifi trigger today and i would like to implement it into my modes. My default mode has no data on, only voice network is on. I have a mode for when i'm home which turns on wifi. So my question is: will the wifi trigger be able to switch to the home mode when i arrive home? I'm guessing no because the wifi trigger needs wifi to be on
May 30 16:23:54 <Yoppo> Yes WiFi trigger need wifi to be on since otherwise MS wont receive any info from WebOS itself.
May 30 16:25:11 <Gollyzila|comp> playya: I'm pretty sure if more people in this community new about gnu/linux for the palm pre, they would give lots of support and possibly donations
May 30 16:25:41 <Gollyzila|comp> Yoppo: Do you have any suggestions as to how i can achieve a switch from default to home mode?
May 30 16:26:40 <playya> Gollyzila|comp, we're working on a minimal distribution as a bootloader to allow dualboot, so you don't have to brick your device
May 30 16:27:09 <playya> here's a link: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F
May 30 16:27:20 <Yoppo> Well if you don't have any connections on in default mode it is a bit hard. I use wifi since I have always data connection on.
May 30 16:28:53 <Gollyzila|comp> playya: coooool
May 30 16:29:59 <Gollyzila|comp> I guess i can manually turn wifi on and off with QST
May 30 16:31:55 <Gollyzila|comp> Yoppo: What about when i leave a wifi network? Could that be implemented? I remember someone asking this in the MS thread.
May 30 16:32:37 <Yoppo> I will implement this kind of "negative" trigger support quite soon I think, but first I want to get the revised mode logic code in.
May 30 16:34:03 <Gollyzila|comp> great!
May 30 16:42:29 <Gollyzila|comp> Yoppo: Have you thought of making MS work in the dashboard? For example, i open up the dashboard and i can switch through a list of modes, and then i choose one to switch to it.
May 30 16:43:44 <Yoppo> not really, I don't like anything "permanent" in dashboard so thats why the mode meny was my choise
May 30 16:57:24 <Gollyzila|b-fast> i see
May 30 17:08:13 <Gollyzila|b-fast> Thinking out loud here: What if a card can be made into a widget? When you tap it, it doesn't zoom in. You are able to use the widget from card view.
May 30 17:10:07 <Gollyzila|b-fast> More ideas: Can notifications be shown in a separate app? What if we have a large notification that when you tap the dashboard, it fills the entire screen. And that large notification could be multiple homescreens with your other notications and shortcuts and widgets.
May 30 17:12:08 <Gollyzila|b-fast> Even more ideas: How about shortcuts to apps in the App Menu or the calendar menu that Yoppo created.
May 30 17:12:50 <Gollyzila|b-fast> Also: To coincide with named pages, how about app icons that act as shortcuts to specific pages.
May 30 17:21:24 <Gollyzila|comp> Gosh i wish i knew how to develop apps and other software
May 30 17:23:52 <Yoppo> no sure if anybody thought about it but I guess maybe it would be able to develop widget pages for app launcher not sure though, but then again wouldn't just widget card do the same
May 30 17:24:53 <Gollyzila|comp> can you elaborate? i didnt quite comprehend
May 30 17:25:36 <Yoppo> since I think the launcher pages are modifiable to some level at least, and could the launcher be possibly made to stay visible all the time
May 30 17:27:43 <Gollyzila|comp> yeah, theres a patch to open the launcher all the time
May 30 17:28:31 <Gollyzila|comp> You'd be able to create widgets right on the launcher page?
May 30 17:29:04 <Yoppo> not sure but I think it is possible or at least to add pages that are fully modifiable
May 30 17:31:31 <Gollyzila|comp> awwwwesome
May 30 17:31:51 <Gollyzila|comp> why didnt anyone come up with this before?
May 30 17:32:34 <Yoppo> mabye there is a reason for it its not like I have given much of a though for that :)
May 30 17:33:15 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: I hope you'll be reading this later
May 30 17:41:29 <Gollyzila|comp> Yoppo: would the widgets be app icons or something else entirely?
May 30 17:42:31 <hborders> does anyone have advice about cross-compiling libraries for the pdk?
May 30 17:43:02 <Yoppo> I think they could be anything, but as said not really thought about this just that based on the things I learned while making the app launcher "conversion" patch that it might be possible
May 30 17:43:51 <hborders> specifically, I'm trying to use liboauth in a pdk app
May 30 17:44:09 <hborders> I understand that this isn't strictly webos-internals, but I was hoping you guys would have some advice
May 30 18:00:58 <VincentLaw> hmm
May 30 18:01:13 <VincentLaw> I wonder if I can find some thin magnets and stick them inside the EVO's back cover to make it attach to the touchstone
May 30 18:02:25 <Gollyzila|comp> you have an EVO?
May 30 18:02:36 <VincentLaw> I will in 5 days
May 30 18:06:51 <Gollyzila|comp> cool. But it has a kickstand, why put it on the touchstone?
May 30 18:08:08 <Gollyzila|comp> Just had another epiphany: Since the launcher can be opened as a card, why not close all instances of the launcher and have the launcher and swipe up open another homebrew launcher which will be running all the time like the stock launcher
May 30 21:14:56 <egaudet> what kind of widgets are you thinking about
May 30 21:33:38 * oil has also been thinking about redoing the launcher
May 30 21:45:11 <Gollyzila|comp> egaudet: I dont know, probably the most used on Android. I'm not sure what widget i would need since I've never used them
May 30 21:45:23 <Gollyzila|comp> proabably an upcoming event widget
May 30 21:45:40 <Gollyzila|comp> current RAM left
May 30 21:46:16 <egaudet> if someone were to do it, it'd probably best be done in a popupalert dash scene
May 30 21:47:11 <Gollyzila|comp> Like Geostrings?
May 30 21:47:28 <egaudet> we wont' be able to stop a card from maximizing, and I'm not sure how much power/trouble it would be to try it int he launcher
May 30 21:47:40 <egaudet> didn't mean power, meant how much ability the launcher gives
May 30 21:48:18 <egaudet> a popupalert dash scene though I think can be anything you want
May 30 21:48:37 <Gollyzila|comp> So a full screen notification could be possible?
May 30 21:48:46 <egaudet> if users could deal with the dash icon for this "widget home screeN" staying around they could tap it to bring it up at any time etc..
May 30 21:48:51 <Gollyzila|comp> I hope to continue this conversation later. I'll be back later
May 30 23:53:38 <Wolf> hey Rod!
May 30 23:53:51 <Wolf> I'm starting my first WebOS app today, finally....
May 31 00:07:17 <Wolf> rwhitby: you there?
May 31 00:08:22 <rwhitby> yes
May 31 00:09:39 <Wolf> rwhitby: have you used Ares before?
May 31 00:09:43 <rwhitby> yes
May 31 00:09:55 <Wolf> ok
May 31 00:10:51 <Wolf> so I'm working on an OATH soft token for WebOS
May 31 00:12:08 <Wolf> problem is I'm not sure where would be a good place to store the token ID HMAC string securely, since with it you can pretty much duplicate the soft token
May 31 00:13:04 <Wolf> its going to be open-source, so I can't exactly encrypt it with a static key :)
May 31 00:14:24 <Wolf> any suggestions?
May 31 00:26:19 <Wolf> rwhitby: busy?
May 31 02:31:31 <john> hello can someone help me
May 31 02:33:32 <halfhalo_pre> la fiesta
May 31 02:36:38 <halfhalo_pre> hmmm
May 31 02:36:54 <halfhalo_pre> there are two versions of wirc on my phone....
May 31 02:37:54 <bpadalino> double the irc fun
May 31 02:38:04 <halfhalo_pre> true
May 31 02:41:43 <halfhalo_pre> grrr
May 31 02:41:59 <halfhalo_pre> pre plus kb makes my pre's cry
May 31 02:46:05 <bpadalino> really ?
May 31 02:46:08 <bpadalino> what's wrong with it ?
May 31 02:46:23 <bpadalino> i wonder if rwhitby ever got his .de pixi plus
May 31 02:49:10 <john> are there any there for the pixi if so where do i get them all the ones i found say for pre only
May 31 02:49:24 <bpadalino> any what ?
May 31 02:49:48 <john> themes
May 31 02:49:59 <john> sorry
May 31 02:50:50 <halfhalo_pre> the plus's kb is just soooo much nicer
May 31 02:51:10 <bpadalino> oh, i don't know anything about themes .. sorry
May 31 02:51:27 <bpadalino> ah interesting .. so the plus kb really made a lot of changes? i didn't realize there were so many
May 31 02:51:42 <halfhalo_pre> it just feels so much nicer
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